Re: [MBZ] $50 Paint Job
Did you ever think that just MAYBE the guy just doesn't have the money to shell out for a $3K paintjob on his old Corvair? Maybe he has plenty of time on his hands? I know I don't have that kind of cash at my disposal but I surely have the time if I want it... THAT, AND the fact that he came out with a pretty darned nice paintjob that he did HIMSELF! How much are bragging rights worth these days? Mike I agree - where's the savings?? On 7/7/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - By far the biggest part of a paint job is the prep - the biggest part of the prep is sanding - unless you have a rust bucket, in which case you need to move on - anyway - sanding is a lengthy job - sand, check the results, sand some more, repear, repeat, repeat. I sanding my 911 for months - and I just wanted to take it down to the factory primer. Having done that, I sealed it, sanded numerous times, primed it, sanded numerous times again, shot several coats of the color, sanded some more, shot several coats of the clear - then, wait for several days or more, then the color sanding starts - start with 800, then 1000, 1500, 2000 and possiby 2500 and 3000 depending on what you want to end up with. Then the buffing begins - in at least 3 stages followed by the buffing in 3 (or more) stages - then you can polish it. I cannot begin to think of how much work is in painting a van - Yuck! Do it like that and you wil see why the pros charge what they do. Depending on the prevailing labor rate and if the owner wants to trust a valuable paint job to a minimum wage amateur and you can see hw fast the cost goes into the stratosphere. Of course, you can get a cheap paint job - but even a shaker can job will cost $50 in cans -- and that's with $0 prep. And it may wash off in the car wash -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] $50 Paint Job Zoltan Finks wrote: I have to say that this interests me. I have always resented how much it costs to get a car painted. I'll have to learn about wet-sanding and all that though. $200 for a compressor, $100 or less for a paint gun, $200-600 for paint, $2000 of labor is the normal way. Sounds like this guy found a way to do it with $50 worth of supplies and $3000 worth of labor. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/887 - Release Date: 7/5/2007 1:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $50 Paint Job
I guess I'm not the only one that sees it that way;) I'd be proud as can be to say Hey look at the paintjob on my Corvair man...I did it in my driveway. Mike Andrew, It's because you want to do it and it's called pride and sweat equity Take care, Chuck On Jul 7, 2007, at 8:26 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I agree - where's the savings?? On 7/7/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - By far the biggest part of a paint job is the prep - the biggest part of the prep is sanding - unless you have a rust bucket, in which case you need to move on - anyway - sanding is a lengthy job - sand, check the results, sand some more, repear, repeat, repeat. I sanding my 911 for months - and I just wanted to take it down to the factory primer. Having done that, I sealed it, sanded numerous times, primed it, sanded numerous times again, shot several coats of the color, sanded some more, shot several coats of the clear - then, wait for several days or more, then the color sanding starts - start with 800, then 1000, 1500, 2000 and possiby 2500 and 3000 depending on what you want to end up with. Then the buffing begins - in at least 3 stages followed by the buffing in 3 (or more) stages - then you can polish it. I cannot begin to think of how much work is in painting a van - Yuck! Do it like that and you wil see why the pros charge what they do. Depending on the prevailing labor rate and if the owner wants to trust a valuable paint job to a minimum wage amateur and you can see hw fast the cost goes into the stratosphere. Of course, you can get a cheap paint job - but even a shaker can job will cost $50 in cans -- and that's with $0 prep. And it may wash off in the car wash -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] $50 Paint Job Zoltan Finks wrote: I have to say that this interests me. I have always resented how much it costs to get a car painted. I'll have to learn about wet-sanding and all that though. $200 for a compressor, $100 or less for a paint gun, $200-600 for paint, $2000 of labor is the normal way. Sounds like this guy found a way to do it with $50 worth of supplies and $3000 worth of labor. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/887 - Release Date: 7/5/2007 1:55 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel
. I've taken the advice of another board member who said what happens if you're truck wasn't available or if you suddenly didn't want it anymore? He won't buy a larger travel trailer since it will require a Diesel to pull it, and this would make him the next one with the job to pull the boats which his V8 Dodge Dakota isn't heavy nor powerful enough to safely perform. I take it said board member doesn't have to sleep with Wifey and doesn't give a crap about the grief the VP of said organization will endure when Hubby sells off the truck and no one can haul said boats. Seems pretty childish overall to me...Can't anyone just speak up and say NO anymore? Gee, I need a bigger truck but I don't want anyone else to benefit from it, let alone an organization I am involved inSomeone has to drive there anyway..Why not be the one to pull the boats with a nice new diesel? is what I would ask said member. 8000# on a trailer is nothing for a good 1 ton truck these days. Just makes it ride nice. Sounds like the proverbial cutting off the nose to spite the face... Mike Well, we've had a change of heart. Wifey is the Vice President of the local dragon boat club, and also happens to be the only one or who's spouse has a large enough and powerful enough truck to pull the trailerand boats. The total weight is around 8000#. The organization is too cheap to get a box truck to haul boats and gear, so the duty falls upon those who have vehicles to take up the slack and the wear and tear, not the path that such an organization should take, IMO. I've taken the advice of another board member who said what happens if you're truck wasn't available or if you suddenly didn't want it anymore? He won't buy a larger travel trailer since it will require a Diesel to pull it, and this would make him the next one with the job to pull the boats which his V8 Dodge Dakota isn't heavy nor powerful enough to safely perform. Well, I've had enough, so the truck is officially up for sale!! The travel trailer sits most of the time, so it's going too. All we really need is a SUV/Van to pull OUR 21 foot boat. I want it to be something that gets good mileage, is dependable, and can tow at least 5000#. Any suggestions? What is the feeling on a Sprinter van? I don't think I want to go near $50g for the new ML320CDI, but what about the Jeep Grand Cherokee with the Diesel engine that's due to hit showrooms soon? Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota
Why is it that people who do things that DON'T require a 4wd will argue until they are blue in the face about why someone else doesn't need one? Mike Mitch is right in that I don't want a 2wd, but in driving my Dakota to Maine yesterday I'm thinking it might be hard to give up the 230hp V8. 20mpg it'll pull on the highway at 65mph isn't bad either... Its not that I'm afraid of driving a 2wd in the winter its that it just isn't capable of the stuff I need to do. A 2wd Dakota will no pull start my tractor, the 4wd is just barely capable. In the winter I'd be needing to have snow tires and a bunch of weight in the rear. Thats going to hurt the gas mileage to the point I might as well have a 4wd. Remember I do drive a 190D to and from work all 4 seasons (110 miles a day) in all weather. Its not that I think 4wd is a requirement, but I don't need a 2wd pickup... Still looking for a 3rd car so the wife can benefit from better mileage though. -Curt Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:01:33 -0400 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This looks like a Curtmobile. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 11:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120138797287 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
I followed some of the posts ad woes. One mentioned the 4 cylinder in a Vue grenading- isn't/wasn't this a corporate GM motor by this time? I remember test driving an early Saturn, and remarking to the sales guy that it was low on power, but at least it was noisy and coarse to make up for it. My recollection was a 1.9 liter that at the time was Saturn only. Saturns have always struck me as begin too weird and plasticky cheap, UNTIL the recent Outlook. THAT is competitive, even if too big for my family. At least when we don't think that having a second kid mandates driving something the size of our living room, we've done just FINE with my 300e and a Passat (sedans, no less) for vacations. But I see the time coming when not having a minivan or SUV just MIGHT become criminal- it's just socially weird, now. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
we want the details Gary Hurst wrote: it was stupid and a long story. i thought i was getting it for my mother. turns out i was getting it for me. the details are both dull and insane. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] for the Texans on the list
From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see Billy Gibbons driving a Benz around occasionally. He is one sharp-dressed man. --R Has he got a fine fox in front...and three mo in the back, sportin' short dresses, wearin' high heel shoes, smokin' lucky strikes and wearin' nylons too? Nah, I guess that would be the new Cadillac ;-) Well, folks, after 19 years, I'm Benzless. Delivered my 300TD to Al Gulseth last Saturday after driving it for 17 years and putting 260,000 miles on it. It was like parting with an old friend, but I know he went to a good home. SWMBO finally put her foot down and said there were too many cars in the driveway, and I made a tactical error in not having another MB in the stable. I was looking for one, but had to take advantage of a deal on my daughter's '01 Expedition instead. Oh, well, it gives me some breathing room to look for just the right MB. TTFN Royce Engler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 201 IP Leaks
The kid that bought my olde 190D '84 601 eng. 220k+ miles, has found a leak that seems to emanate from the IP. The side plate was missing a screw and the other 3 were hand tight only. The gasket was some kind of petrified rubber, so some careful application of red RTV cured that leak, however the bottom plate appears to leak also. Question, can the bottom plate be removed in situ or must the IP be removed first? It seems that if the fuel lift pump, the fuel thermostat and possibly the AC Comp. were removed it may be do-able, nicht whar? This car was run on M1 15w40 after the head rebuild, maybe it removed the crud that was sealing the IP? TIA Fred Moir Lynn MA - Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
On 7/8/07, Tony Wirtel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember test driving an early Saturn, and remarking to the sales guy that it was low on power, but at least it was noisy and coarse to make up for it. HA HA HA! Funny how many domestic four-cylinders that could apply to. Is Detroit ever going to catch on to the idea of balance shafts? Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 IP Leaks
Frederick Moir wrote: The kid that bought my olde 190D '84 601 eng. 220k+ miles, has found a leak that seems to emanate from the IP. The side plate was missing a screw and the other 3 were hand tight only. The gasket was some kind of petrified rubber, so some careful application of red RTV cured that leak, however the bottom plate appears to leak also. Question, can the bottom plate be removed in situ or must the IP be removed first? It seems that if the fuel lift pump, the fuel thermostat and possibly the AC Comp. were removed it may be do-able, nicht whar? This car was run on M1 15w40 after the head rebuild, maybe it removed the crud that was sealing the IP? TIA I have heard that the rear gasket can be replaced in-situ (but it's difficult). I've been told that replacing the bottom gasket requires removal of the IP. That requires that the oil filter housing be removed (that's NOT fun). I needed to replace the front O ring and to do that the IP had to come out. Please DO NOT use RTV to seal the IP. Get the proper gasket! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] radiator done blowed up
I love you guys! Thanks for all the replies. steve AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $50 Paint Job
Didjaguyz check out his bodywork pages? Mad skillz http://www.rickwrench.com/corvairbodywork.html Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Re 201 IP Leaks
Dr Marshall et al. I would have loved to get the correct gasket, only available from Bosch etc., however said kid had to go to his grandmothers place a hundred or so miles away and reducing the leak with red RTV was better than running out of oil in transit. Time will tell. Thanks for the info. Fred Moir Lynn MA 190DT 300TD - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $50 Paint Job
That's the schizzle. It's amazing what you can do with the right tools and mad skillz... Bob R. Few tools...fewer skillz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] $50 Paint Job Didjaguyz check out his bodywork pages? Mad skillz http://www.rickwrench.com/corvairbodywork.html Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
2.2 is GM. 1.9 is saturn. saturn was once independent, but now just another part of GM. GM had also tended to view saturn, opel and saab as one unit, so lots of eurotrash parts on my saturn. On 7/8/07, Tony Wirtel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I followed some of the posts ad woes. One mentioned the 4 cylinder in a Vue grenading- isn't/wasn't this a corporate GM motor by this time? I remember test driving an early Saturn, and remarking to the sales guy that it was low on power, but at least it was noisy and coarse to make up for it. My recollection was a 1.9 liter that at the time was Saturn only. Saturns have always struck me as begin too weird and plasticky cheap, UNTIL the recent Outlook. THAT is competitive, even if too big for my family. At least when we don't think that having a second kid mandates driving something the size of our living room, we've done just FINE with my 300e and a Passat (sedans, no less) for vacations. But I see the time coming when not having a minivan or SUV just MIGHT become criminal- it's just socially weird, now. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
the 2.2 ecotec is the best 4 gm has ever made. the 2.2 that we've been talking about that the average timing chain lasts 50k miles and then blows you up . no, the US seems to not be interested in ever making a 4 worth of anything other than disposable econoboxes. On 7/8/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/8/07, Tony Wirtel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember test driving an early Saturn, and remarking to the sales guy that it was low on power, but at least it was noisy and coarse to make up for it. HA HA HA! Funny how many domestic four-cylinders that could apply to. Is Detroit ever going to catch on to the idea of balance shafts? Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
On 7/8/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GM had also tended to view saturn, opel and saab as one unit, so lots of eurotrash parts on my saturn. I think Eurotrash is a bit harsh. About Opel, maybe. But Saab was a great company until GM bought them in 1992. I tend to think of Saab and Volvo, before the GM and Ford buyouts respectively, as the BMW and Mercedes of Sweden. '70s and '80s Volvos were better made, but the Saabs of the same time were more fun to drive. In fact not many cars are as fun to drive as a mid-'80s 900 Turbo. And you can pick one up in daily-driver shape for Kaleb money these days. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
my father died, leaving my mother an old crappy 4 cylinder taurus but lots of cash. i told her to just dump the taurus (which was cosmetically as new) for whatever she can get explaining to the buyer that it is a POS that she isn't willing to mess with. she got 1700 dollars for it. when she expressed a desire to get a replacement car, i figured a saturn made sense as saturns seemed to be using better crash technology and i felt saturn dealers were less likely to rip her off on repairs. so she took the 1700 and added a few grand more and we went down to the saturn dealer one sunday. we picked out a nice green L200. she insisted my name also be on the paperwork, i presumed as some sort of measure in case she died or something. and then it all went south on me. when i asked her what to do with the car, she explained that it is my car and i can do whatever i wanted with it. apparently, she felt she was helping me out by putting up the down payment and co signing the loan. what could i do at the point except express my unending gratitude and start making the monthly payments? one thing i did, however, was trade it back to the dealer for one with a manual transmission. i figured she wouldn't notice that the green car was now silver, but when she did i made up some ridiculous story about saturn recalling all the green ones and replacing them with silver. that was over 6 years ago. i mostly drive the car when i am with her or when i really feel the need for modern AC, so it only has 48k miles on it. i've thought about selling it, but because it has such a bad reputation, the car is nearly worthless despite the low miles and condition. so i guess i'll be buying a timing chain soon :( also, the clutch slave cylinder tends to fail is located INSIDE the transmission. mine failed under warranty, but now i'd have to pay for it myself if it fails again. and that is how and why i own a saturn. On 7/8/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we want the details Gary Hurst wrote: it was stupid and a long story. i thought i was getting it for my mother. turns out i was getting it for me. the details are both dull and insane. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
it's funny that saab headquarters are here in atlanta as there is absolutely no saab presence here apart from the odd late model 9-3 convertible. when i lived in upstate new york, however, the 99s and 900s were THE cool country club rich kid car. the rich kid with the bmw was looked down upon like packard owners used to look down up on the cadillac crowd. On 7/8/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/8/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GM had also tended to view saturn, opel and saab as one unit, so lots of eurotrash parts on my saturn. I think Eurotrash is a bit harsh. About Opel, maybe. But Saab was a great company until GM bought them in 1992. I tend to think of Saab and Volvo, before the GM and Ford buyouts respectively, as the BMW and Mercedes of Sweden. '70s and '80s Volvos were better made, but the Saabs of the same time were more fun to drive. In fact not many cars are as fun to drive as a mid-'80s 900 Turbo. And you can pick one up in daily-driver shape for Kaleb money these days. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Does the subject mean I have a leak? The AC stopped working this AM, then, started again this PM. I think it means air is in the system from a leak - correct? I have R12 BTW. Do any of the aftermarket substitutes work with safety? Thx -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic carunlessthe design and execution has been proven
The subject talks about buying a domestic car - my experience has been positive over the last few years. My Mom and M-I-L both lived with us as we provided them Hospice and both brought cars they valued for us to have. One was a 92 Olds 98 with 3.8 V6 and other was a 97 Chrysler Concord w/3.5 V6 IIRC - the drivetrain - which to me means, engine, tranny, FR suspension all worked perfectly - we continued to provide the excellent car they had been given before arriving - and only the accessories gave us trouble. things like turnsignal controls, electr window winders and such gave intermittant trouble The things that were totally unacceptable were the trim - chrome plated plastic in the passenger compartment failed quickly as well as door panels that warped and other stuff I no longer recall -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic carunlessthe design and execution has been proven it's funny that saab headquarters are here in atlanta as there is absolutely no saab presence here apart from the odd late model 9-3 convertible. when i lived in upstate new york, however, the 99s and 900s were THE cool country club rich kid car. the rich kid with the bmw was looked down upon like packard owners used to look down up on the cadillac crowd. On 7/8/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/8/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GM had also tended to view saturn, opel and saab as one unit, so lots of eurotrash parts on my saturn. I think Eurotrash is a bit harsh. About Opel, maybe. But Saab was a great company until GM bought them in 1992. I tend to think of Saab and Volvo, before the GM and Ford buyouts respectively, as the BMW and Mercedes of Sweden. '70s and '80s Volvos were better made, but the Saabs of the same time were more fun to drive. In fact not many cars are as fun to drive as a mid-'80s 900 Turbo. And you can pick one up in daily-driver shape for Kaleb money these days. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Does the subject mean I have a leak? Yes. I think it means air is in the system from a leak - correct? No. It just means that there's no longer enough refrigerant to provide a liquid feed to the evaporator. I have R12 BTW. Do any of the aftermarket substitutes work with safety? I believe so, yes. Others will disagree, particularly those with a vested interest in maintaining an effective monopoly on AC servicing. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 IP Leaks
bottom plate appears to leak also. Question, can the bottom plate be removed in situ or must the IP be removed first? If you can reach all the screws, you can replace the gasket. Said gasket resembles an O-ring, but is not. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Jim Cathey wrote: I have R12 BTW. Do any of the aftermarket substitutes work with safety? I believe so, yes. Others will disagree, particularly those with a vested interest in maintaining an effective monopoly on AC servicing. The substitutes will work, but they have advantages and disadvantages. You can't add a substitute to existing R12... have to vacuum it all out and replace with the substitute. They are usually blends, which means if you do have a leak you have to vacuum out and start over (except for Jim C. who blends his on the fly!). The blends are also usually flammable, which some people use as a negative point. IIRC, either R134 or R12 is flammable anyway so it doesn't really much matter. The blends also stop working above a certain ambient temperature (~100)... so if it is really toasty where you live they won't work. The replacements *are* cheaper than 12 though... Just get your EPA609 certification ($15, online, open book test) and get two or three cans on ebay for about $15 a can. Really not all that more expensive than R134. I have no vested interest in maintaining an AC servicing monopoly... I just live in the south and like cold A/C!! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
I remember asking you guys about a V12 Benz I saw in Minneapolis some time ago - an S600. You told me it was legit. I saw another one last evening in Seattle, but this one was a coupe. And it may have had a manual tranny. (may have) See, it was stopped on a steep hill and rolled back maybe a foot to two feet before rolling forward on take off. Anyway - an awesome car. Sort of alpha of the herd? Also, I saw one of those new 2 seaters SLC? And it was an AMG. Got me wondering: how would it stack up performance wise against, say, the best performer Porsche has to offer today? Brian driver of sensible cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Removing 124 fuel tank
I'm still trying to get the algae sludge out of the fuel tank of my '95 E300D. Last time I tried to remove the tank, I removed the two fuel hoses and filter from the bottom. Then I removed the filler neck and level gauge stuff from top, and removed the four bolts around the perimeter of the tank, (that can be seen from the tunk.) The tank would not budge. I even stated bending the tank as I tried to pry it with a crow bar. The CD shop manual does not mention any other connections. Is the tank bolted from the cabin, behind the back seat, or somewhere else? Anybody ever removed a tank from a 124 who can tell me? Thanks, Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300D and too many others ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
The coupe was a CL600, a nice ride. Also the CL65 and new CL63, something like 600HP 500ftlb torque. Makes Porsche's piddle at the stop light. --R Zoltan Finks wrote: I remember asking you guys about a V12 Benz I saw in Minneapolis some time ago - an S600. You told me it was legit. I saw another one last evening in Seattle, but this one was a coupe. And it may have had a manual tranny. (may have) See, it was stopped on a steep hill and rolled back maybe a foot to two feet before rolling forward on take off. Anyway - an awesome car. Sort of alpha of the herd? Also, I saw one of those new 2 seaters SLC? And it was an AMG. Got me wondering: how would it stack up performance wise against, say, the best performer Porsche has to offer today? Brian driver of sensible cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
Took the new 84 300SD turbo on a road trip Houston -- KY -- Philadelphia. Car was working fine before, but on the road would not get beyond 75-80 @ 3400rpm or so, on the flats, and any hill it would rapidly drop off speed. (I assume this car is designed to go faster and at higher RPMs). Also would not accelerate well, tranny shifting weirdly at full throttle. Back off the throttle a bit, would shift up then slowly build revs. At times on the on-ramp would run to 40 or so in 2nd then just refuse to accelerate more, back off throttle to get 2-3 shift and would slowly then build revs and speed. At full speed (the 75 or so) if it slowed down it would not downshift until I backed way off the throttle, then it would. The kickdown switch works. At full throttle though it just feels like it his hitting some kind of limiter, then revs drop, power/torque drop, then nursing it will slowly get it back up to speed (but not on a hill). Tranny shifts a bit hard (i.e., snappy shifts), but not well at full throttle. No impediments in the air intake, filter, etc. unless the turbo is not working. I *think* the turbo was working but maybe not -- I had heard it whistling a bit before we left but could not really hear it this time. I checked all the vac lines, found one fitting had disconnected at some gizmo down by the IP, back of it down low, some sort of fuel valve of some sort? Reattached it but no good effect. All the other lines looked OK (there are a lot of them!) but for this thing on top of the valve cover, has 5 holes, 3 with lines, 2 open. I plugged up the open holes, no effect. Sucked on the hose going to a valve (vac solenoid of some sort?) on the intake that has a hose coming from a fitting down by the upper rad hose where it comes off the block, seemed to be working, whatever it does. Took off the air tube and spun the turbo, seemed to spin OK. At one point sitting in stopped traffic it started idling rough, I put it in neutral, revved it a bit, it hit 4000 or so, then when I left off it stumbled and died, but restarted right quick. Still would not accelerate well though. Son said he first noticed it the day before we left (thanks for mentioning that, son) when he hit full throttle at about 60, and it did that -- lost power, would not shift well. So it was an immediate event at that point. I don't know what could break to make that happen. On a good point, it got 25-26mpg at a steady 75-80, when it would do that. Other points -- fresh M1 15W50, car in good repair, tranny fluid new no burning smell, good fuel, new filters. Any ideas? I think something like this might have been recently discussed, but since I did not have turbo then, I did not pay a lot of attention. I have a feeling it is some vac problem, but all the vac stuff seems to work, but I did not have a MityVac along to test it. Boy made it to Philly, I made it back to Houston, gotta figure out what to do with the car. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
On 7/8/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Took the new 84 300SD turbo on a road trip Houston -- KY -- Philadelphia. Car was working fine before, but on the road would not get beyond 75-80 @ 3400rpm or so, on the flats, and any hill it would rapidly drop off speed. (I assume this car is designed to go faster and at higher RPMs). Also would not accelerate well, tranny shifting weirdly at full throttle. Back off the throttle a bit, would shift up then slowly build revs. At times on the on-ramp would run to 40 or so in 2nd then just refuse to accelerate more, back off throttle to get 2-3 shift and would slowly then build revs and speed. At full speed (the 75 or so) if it slowed down it would not downshift until I backed way off the throttle, then it would. The kickdown switch works. At full throttle though it just feels like it his hitting some kind of limiter, then revs drop, power/torque drop, then nursing it will slowly get it back up to speed (but not on a hill). Tranny shifts a bit hard (i.e., snappy shifts), but not well at full throttle. No impediments in the air intake, filter, etc. unless the turbo is not working. I *think* the turbo was working but maybe not -- I had heard it whistling a bit before we left but could not really hear it this time. I checked all the vac lines, found one fitting had disconnected at some gizmo down by the IP, back of it down low, some sort of fuel valve of some sort? Reattached it but no good effect. All the other lines looked OK (there are a lot of them!) but for this thing on top of the valve cover, has 5 holes, 3 with lines, 2 open. I plugged up the open holes, no effect. Sucked on the hose going to a valve (vac solenoid of some sort?) on the intake that has a hose coming from a fitting down by the upper rad hose where it comes off the block, seemed to be working, whatever it does. Took off the air tube and spun the turbo, seemed to spin OK. At one point sitting in stopped traffic it started idling rough, I put it in neutral, revved it a bit, it hit 4000 or so, then when I left off it stumbled and died, but restarted right quick. Still would not accelerate well though. Son said he first noticed it the day before we left (thanks for mentioning that, son) when he hit full throttle at about 60, and it did that -- lost power, would not shift well. So it was an immediate event at that point. I don't know what could break to make that happen. On a good point, it got 25-26mpg at a steady 75-80, when it would do that. Other points -- fresh M1 15W50, car in good repair, tranny fluid new no burning smell, good fuel, new filters. Any ideas? I think something like this might have been recently discussed, but since I did not have turbo then, I did not pay a lot of attention. I have a feeling it is some vac problem, but all the vac stuff seems to work, but I did not have a MityVac along to test it. Boy made it to Philly, I made it back to Houston, gotta figure out what to do with the car. --R Sounds like a plugged line running from the drivers side of the manifold over to the overboost protective devise by the firewall. Undo the line and pull a vacuum or use compressed air to clean it out. OTOH, not sure the 617 is the same as my 603 was but that cleared up my same problem. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
Coincidentally, PBS is showing a program on Porsche right now. Brian On 7/8/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The coupe was a CL600, a nice ride. Also the CL65 and new CL63, something like 600HP 500ftlb torque. Makes Porsche's piddle at the stop light. --R Zoltan Finks wrote: I remember asking you guys about a V12 Benz I saw in Minneapolis some time ago - an S600. You told me it was legit. I saw another one last evening in Seattle, but this one was a coupe. And it may have had a manual tranny. (may have) See, it was stopped on a steep hill and rolled back maybe a foot to two feet before rolling forward on take off. Anyway - an awesome car. Sort of alpha of the herd? Also, I saw one of those new 2 seaters SLC? And it was an AMG. Got me wondering: how would it stack up performance wise against, say, the best performer Porsche has to offer today? Brian driver of sensible cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
What you describe is precisely what happens when the pressure line from the intake manifold to the ALDA (fuel enrichment device atop the injection pump) becomes clogged with soot/oil slurry. Along with the reduced power (like a non-turbocharged car) shifting is also affected. The most usual cause is a plugged pressure line, but a disconnected line or ANY plug of the line or the switchover valve between the intake manifold and the ALDA will result in the same effect. There are several other potential causes, but they are much less common. When the problem is a plugged fuel or air filter, there will be a loss of power, but shifting will not be degraded. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 IP Leaks
Jim C. Ta very much. If memory serves, the oil filter o-ring is the same size? Fred Moir Lynn MA Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bottom plate appears to leak also. Question, can the bottom plate be removed in situ or must the IP be removed first? If you can reach all the screws, you can replace the gasket. Said gasket resembles an O-ring, but is not. -- Jim - Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 IP Leaks
The OM617 oil filter o-ring apparently will only work on OM603 pumps--sorry. On 7/8/07, Frederick Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim C. Ta very much. If memory serves, the oil filter o-ring is the same size? Casey __ '87 300TD intercooler/propane/biodiesel '94 100CSQ Avant '90 90Q '89 Bluestar ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
Thanks much. I will need to walk my son through this repair (he is new to the car and to repairs in general), and my familiarity with this car is minimal (and it is not where I am). We have the maint manual CDs -- is there a section on this or can you be specific about where the line starts/terminates, and what to do to it? I vaguely recall seeing this line (among others), wondering what it did. Sounds easy though. Would this problem come on suddenly like that? I guess I could see it happening if it had a clog of some sort, like plaque in your artery. My neighbor has a 300SD too, I guess I could go inspect theirs. --R Marshall Booth wrote: What you describe is precisely what happens when the pressure line from the intake manifold to the ALDA (fuel enrichment device atop the injection pump) becomes clogged with soot/oil slurry. Along with the reduced power (like a non-turbocharged car) shifting is also affected. The most usual cause is a plugged pressure line, but a disconnected line or ANY plug of the line or the switchover valve between the intake manifold and the ALDA will result in the same effect. There are several other potential causes, but they are much less common. When the problem is a plugged fuel or air filter, there will be a loss of power, but shifting will not be degraded. Marshall ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 IP Leaks
The Mighty Casey struck me out! Ta very much. Fred Moir Lynn MA 190DT 300TD Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OM617 oil filter o-ring apparently will only work on OM603 pumps--sorry. On 7/8/07, Frederick Moir wrote: Jim C. Ta very much. If memory serves, the oil filter o-ring is the same size? - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
It wouldn't. A lot of the AMG are big thumping engines, in be boat cars. Hey I love them, but if you're talking about performance, a big boat can only go around corners and stop so fast. Besides, I think even with the optional AMG ecu in Europe, the big ones are still topped out at 300 kph. The porsches are still pulling. The SLR is a nice car, and I've seen several. It's pretty limited production, and if you put it up against a Porsche CGT, my money would still be on the Porsche, even though you would probably have to be a better driver to wring the last bit out of the porsche. But that has always been the fun of driving most porsches. Some of the big Mercs are nice GT cars, but I wouldn't want to spend a day at the track with one, even the AMG models. That's not what they're really all about. I dont' think the big AMG W140 coupe ever came with a manual, unless it was a special order thing. Even then, I've never seen or heard of one. One cool AMG car was a model called a Hammer. Made before AMG go sucked into Mercedes. It was a W124 with a bored out V8. It was good for a real 300 kph at a time most Ferraris couldn't manage that. There was a fell in my area that had a W124 wagon fully decked out in Hammer spec.. Hold on Rover, we're going to the park hee hee. Ed 300E 911SC On 08/07/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I saw one of those new 2 seaters SLC? And it was an AMG. Got me wondering: how would it stack up performance wise against, say, the best performer Porsche has to offer today? Brian driver of sensible cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
Would this problem come on suddenly like that? I guess I could see it happening if it had a clog of some sort, like plaque in your artery. Plaque or crack, either could be sudden! Sounds very much like a severe power loss, I've experienced such a few times. (Ford F250, MB 250C, MB 240D. Different causes each time.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 IP Leaks
The OM617 oil filter o-ring apparently will only work on OM603 pumps--sorry. Will let you know how my 602's turns out, I made a 1 french-cut green bean and superglued the remainder back together. If you _can_ do yours from the bottom you could try that yourself. Maybe make two 'beans' for a 601? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
now THAT was in interesting story, thanks for sharing. Gary Hurst wrote: my father died, leaving my mother an old crappy 4 cylinder taurus but lots of cash. i told her to just dump the taurus (which was cosmetically as new) for whatever she can get explaining to the buyer that it is a POS that she isn't willing to mess with. she got 1700 dollars for it. when she expressed a desire to get a replacement car, i figured a saturn made sense as saturns seemed to be using better crash technology and i felt saturn dealers were less likely to rip her off on repairs. so she took the 1700 and added a few grand more and we went down to the saturn dealer one sunday. we picked out a nice green L200. she insisted my name also be on the paperwork, i presumed as some sort of measure in case she died or something. and then it all went south on me. when i asked her what to do with the car, she explained that it is my car and i can do whatever i wanted with it. apparently, she felt she was helping me out by putting up the down payment and co signing the loan. what could i do at the point except express my unending gratitude and start making the monthly payments? one thing i did, however, was trade it back to the dealer for one with a manual transmission. i figured she wouldn't notice that the green car was now silver, but when she did i made up some ridiculous story about saturn recalling all the green ones and replacing them with silver. that was over 6 years ago. i mostly drive the car when i am with her or when i really feel the need for modern AC, so it only has 48k miles on it. i've thought about selling it, but because it has such a bad reputation, the car is nearly worthless despite the low miles and condition. so i guess i'll be buying a timing chain soon :( also, the clutch slave cylinder tends to fail is located INSIDE the transmission. mine failed under warranty, but now i'd have to pay for it myself if it fails again. and that is how and why i own a saturn. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
I just bought 2 cases of R134 for 3.50 a can. John Robbins wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: I have R12 BTW. Do any of the aftermarket substitutes work with safety? I believe so, yes. Others will disagree, particularly those with a vested interest in maintaining an effective monopoly on AC servicing. The substitutes will work, but they have advantages and disadvantages. You can't add a substitute to existing R12... have to vacuum it all out and replace with the substitute. They are usually blends, which means if you do have a leak you have to vacuum out and start over (except for Jim C. who blends his on the fly!). The blends are also usually flammable, which some people use as a negative point. IIRC, either R134 or R12 is flammable anyway so it doesn't really much matter. The blends also stop working above a certain ambient temperature (~100)... so if it is really toasty where you live they won't work. The replacements *are* cheaper than 12 though... Just get your EPA609 certification ($15, online, open book test) and get two or three cans on ebay for about $15 a can. Really not all that more expensive than R134. I have no vested interest in maintaining an AC servicing monopoly... I just live in the south and like cold A/C!! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
only because you insisted. i'd accuse of you being sarcastic, but i think you might actually be sincere here, although it's not an interesting story at all. On 7/8/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: now THAT was in interesting story, thanks for sharing. Gary Hurst wrote: my father died, leaving my mother an old crappy 4 cylinder taurus but lots of cash. i told her to just dump the taurus (which was cosmetically as new) for whatever she can get explaining to the buyer that it is a POS that she isn't willing to mess with. she got 1700 dollars for it. when she expressed a desire to get a replacement car, i figured a saturn made sense as saturns seemed to be using better crash technology and i felt saturn dealers were less likely to rip her off on repairs. so she took the 1700 and added a few grand more and we went down to the saturn dealer one sunday. we picked out a nice green L200. she insisted my name also be on the paperwork, i presumed as some sort of measure in case she died or something. and then it all went south on me. when i asked her what to do with the car, she explained that it is my car and i can do whatever i wanted with it. apparently, she felt she was helping me out by putting up the down payment and co signing the loan. what could i do at the point except express my unending gratitude and start making the monthly payments? one thing i did, however, was trade it back to the dealer for one with a manual transmission. i figured she wouldn't notice that the green car was now silver, but when she did i made up some ridiculous story about saturn recalling all the green ones and replacing them with silver. that was over 6 years ago. i mostly drive the car when i am with her or when i really feel the need for modern AC, so it only has 48k miles on it. i've thought about selling it, but because it has such a bad reputation, the car is nearly worthless despite the low miles and condition. so i guess i'll be buying a timing chain soon :( also, the clutch slave cylinder tends to fail is located INSIDE the transmission. mine failed under warranty, but now i'd have to pay for it myself if it fails again. and that is how and why i own a saturn. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic carunlessthe design and execution has been proven
3800 V6 is an absolutely proven design and can be purchased without hesitation. as teh average customer for a buick park avenue is 104 years old, however, few people really know this. i haven't followed chrysler products since the early 90s. ask me K car stuff and i can tell you. On 7/8/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The subject talks about buying a domestic car - my experience has been positive over the last few years. My Mom and M-I-L both lived with us as we provided them Hospice and both brought cars they valued for us to have. One was a 92 Olds 98 with 3.8 V6 and other was a 97 Chrysler Concord w/3.5 V6 IIRC - the drivetrain - which to me means, engine, tranny, FR suspension all worked perfectly - we continued to provide the excellent car they had been given before arriving - and only the accessories gave us trouble. things like turnsignal controls, electr window winders and such gave intermittant trouble The things that were totally unacceptable were the trim - chrome plated plastic in the passenger compartment failed quickly as well as door panels that warped and other stuff I no longer recall -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic carunlessthe design and execution has been proven it's funny that saab headquarters are here in atlanta as there is absolutely no saab presence here apart from the odd late model 9-3 convertible. when i lived in upstate new york, however, the 99s and 900s were THE cool country club rich kid car. the rich kid with the bmw was looked down upon like packard owners used to look down up on the cadillac crowd. On 7/8/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/8/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GM had also tended to view saturn, opel and saab as one unit, so lots of eurotrash parts on my saturn. I think Eurotrash is a bit harsh. About Opel, maybe. But Saab was a great company until GM bought them in 1992. I tend to think of Saab and Volvo, before the GM and Ford buyouts respectively, as the BMW and Mercedes of Sweden. '70s and '80s Volvos were better made, but the Saabs of the same time were more fun to drive. In fact not many cars are as fun to drive as a mid-'80s 900 Turbo. And you can pick one up in daily-driver shape for Kaleb money these days. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
I find all of your stories interesting. Gary Hurst wrote: only because you insisted. i'd accuse of you being sarcastic, but i think you might actually be sincere here, although it's not an interesting story at all. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic carunlessthe design and execution has been proven
yes, that engine is near bullet proof Gary Hurst wrote: 3800 V6 is an absolutely proven design and can be purchased without hesitation. as teh average customer for a buick park avenue is 104 years old, however, few people really know this. i haven't followed chrysler products since the early 90s. ask me K car stuff and i can tell you. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic carunlessthe design and execution has been proven
the 2.2 ecotec is the best 4 gm has ever made. My Parents' little HHR has the 2.4L Ecotec engine in it, hopefully as robust as the 2.2L version. It puts out 174hp, not a rocket by any means. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Thx John (and Jim C), Youy wrote:three cans on ebay for about $15 a can - is that the R12? Or a R12 substitute? Sounds like it's time to get my EPA609 certification to buy - Thanks! Now, I must decide if I want to risk blending the coolants ;-) Thanks again! Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T Jim Cathey wrote: I have R12 BTW. Do any of the aftermarket substitutes work with safety? I believe so, yes. Others will disagree, particularly those with a vested interest in maintaining an effective monopoly on AC servicing. The substitutes will work, but they have advantages and disadvantages. You can't add a substitute to existing R12... have to vacuum it all out and replace with the substitute. They are usually blends, which means if you do have a leak you have to vacuum out and start over (except for Jim C. who blends his on the fly!). The blends are also usually flammable, which some people use as a negative point. IIRC, either R134 or R12 is flammable anyway so it doesn't really much matter. The blends also stop working above a certain ambient temperature (~100)... so if it is really toasty where you live they won't work. The replacements *are* cheaper than 12 though... Just get your EPA609 certification ($15, online, open book test) and get two or three cans on ebay for about $15 a can. Really not all that more expensive than R134. I have no vested interest in maintaining an AC servicing monopoly... I just live in the south and like cold A/C!! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
as the average customer for a buick park avenue is 104 years old, however, few people really know this. A friend of mine in his late 40's used to sell Buicks, and he had a Park Avenue Ultra for a while. He did believe in the 3.8L engine. He had a '92 Century that had some other V6 (3.3L IIRC) that was also a good runner, but was a bit coarser since it didn't have any balance shafts. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2007 Porsche 356 Bull Session in Bothell WA
The Denny Aker collection: www.356groupnw.org/Bull%20Session.html RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: For MI-ers: THE MIGHTY MAC -- Our bridge at 50
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070708/NEWS06/707080576 Benz content: I've heard of non-Detroit cars being vandalized in Michigan just because they aren't from Detriot. Is this true? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
The 3.8l V-6 is the M617 of the GM world. It's built like a brick doghouse, and can be run into the ground. Dan --- Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as the average customer for a buick park avenue is 104 years old, however, few people really know this. A friend of mine in his late 40's used to sell Buicks, and he had a Park Avenue Ultra for a while. He did believe in the 3.8L engine. He had a '92 Century that had some other V6 (3.3L IIRC) that was also a good runner, but was a bit coarser since it didn't have any balance shafts. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: For MI-ers: THE MIGHTY MAC -- Our bridge at 50
Maybe in the '70s. I lived in Detroit from 1981 to 1994 and didn't hear about it. The thing is, if they wanted to vandalize cars that were not US made, there were hundreds of Fords and GM vehicles that were built in Canada and rolled right over the Ambassador Bridge into Detroit on a daily basis. The question is, if you wanted to trash vehicles that were not built in the good old USA, which cars WOULDN'T you target? Lee Craig McCluskey wrote: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070708/NEWS06/707080576 Benz content: I've heard of non-Detroit cars being vandalized in Michigan just because they aren't from Detriot. Is this true? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
LarryT wrote: Thx John (and Jim C), Youy wrote:three cans on ebay for about $15 a can - is that the R12? Or a R12 substitute? Genuine R12. :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
True, but I was referring to the little two-seater. That's what inspired my question. And yes, the AMG Hammer. I remember hearing about that car years ago on TV. Forget what show - not really a car-related show, just some show about incredible things. It said it was the fastest production car in the world I believe. Of course that's a broad brush. I thought the Ford Cobra held that title. Of course I have more respect for a car that can perform like that and still be a whole car (as in not some light sheet metal on a tiny frame like a Cobra). But what a killer name - AMG Hammer! I remember seeing Ken Shamrock walking around in a Hammer Strength t-shirt. Just said Hammer on the back. As impressive as these cars we're talking about. A bit off topic I have strayed. Brian Ed wrote: A lot of the AMG are big thumping engines, in be boat cars. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel
Great points, Mike. Wifey and I do feel the same way and don't want ourselves or our truck to be involved with EVERY transport just because it's big and powerful enough. The board member previously discussed does help with his truck since the gear is more than even a long bed pickup can handle. The club doesn't have all of the gear and boats in one place, so there's a lot of driving back and forth across town to get everything that's required to be transported for a race. 2 of the four necessary boats are in the river downtown, trailer 15 miles southwest, and the racing gear is in a storage unit somewhere in the middle. Of course, if two of the four boats are 25 miles east of the river getting repaired, this adds 50 miles of driving, you get the picture. They're working on having boat repairs done in house as soon as they obtain a larger facility, and gear will be stored there as well which will also cut down on the driving and fuel costs as well as wear and tear. In nearly every instance, it's one truck (ours) that ends up running back and forth between the different places taking on gear and boats too, and then, it's not there if we need it for day-to-day activities. Gear must also be loaded and unloaded for every trip since it can't stay in everyone's trucks, and the boat transporter usually ends up doing this all by him/herself, not too fair since it's a team sport. Well, enough rambling on and on about this. The REAL issue here is since neither of us can drive this wonderful Dodge Ram 2500 Diesel, it gets driven by family members or by the two people within the club whenever a transport takes place. A more manageable vehicle is needed for a daily driver since it's so long and hard to park in many of the places we go. Rather than having both the truck and another vehicle, I want to sell the truck and purchase a vehicle that will better serve us every day but still pull the boat with plenty of power. An SUV or preferably a short van with a diesel engine would be ideal since it can haul people, gear and my guide dog. The Sprinter would do pretty well. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
so is the 5.7 350 v8 LWB250 wrote: The 3.8l V-6 is the M617 of the GM world. It's built like a brick doghouse, and can be run into the ground. Dan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
I think the car you're referring to in AMG guise has a 5.5 litre engine, but unblown if I remember. They say it's a big improvement over the car it replaces, and better than a Boxster, in so much as quicker off the line. I think Mercedes tune their cars more towards the GT side while Porsche more towards the sport side, although both are moving closer to middle ground. I think it's target is more the entry to midline porsche, not the faster 997 based stuff. I think the attraction of that car is the folding hardtop. Makes it a real all season car, with just the flick of a switch. I still like a fixed roof over my head if I'm going to do any spirited driving. :-) I'm not sure what AMG was back in that day. I think they were a tuner rather than a manufacturer, but I could be wrong.. I know RUF for a very long time has been a manufacturer, with cars having their own RUF VIN numbers. I think the Hammer was more a tuned car (you supply the car and they work their magic) where as RUF bought the bare tubs from Porsche and built them up from there. I think the Hammer made about 380-390 hp if I remember. I think that's about what your current SLC makes, today, but probably makes it in a much cleaner way. :-) Ed 300E 911SC On 08/07/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, but I was referring to the little two-seater. That's what inspired my question. And yes, the AMG Hammer. I remember hearing about that car years ago on TV. Forget what show - not really a car-related show, just some show about incredible things. It said it was the fastest production car in the world I believe. Of course that's a broad brush. I thought the Ford Cobra held that title. Of course I have more respect for a car that can perform like that and still be a whole car (as in not some light sheet metal on a tiny frame like a Cobra). But what a killer name - AMG Hammer! I remember seeing Ken Shamrock walking around in a Hammer Strength t-shirt. Just said Hammer on the back. As impressive as these cars we're talking about. A bit off topic I have strayed. Brian Ed wrote: A lot of the AMG are big thumping engines, in be boat cars. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
E M wrote: The SLR is a nice car, and I've seen several. It's pretty limited production, and if you put it up against a Porsche CGT, my money would still be on the Porsche, even though you would probably have to be a better driver to wring the last bit out of the porsche. A lot of people think they are better drivers until they find the CGT's limits, then they are waiting for somebody to extract them from the wreckage. CGTs collide with fixed objects even more often than Enzos do. (but that may be due to the relative rarity of the Enzo) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
And all of God's Mercedes drivers said...AMEN! Bob R. Wanting to touch the hem of Herr Doktor's Knowledge Garment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 1:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions? What you describe is precisely what happens when the pressure line from the intake manifold to the ALDA (fuel enrichment device atop the injection pump) becomes clogged with soot/oil slurry. Along with the reduced power (like a non-turbocharged car) shifting is also affected. The most usual cause is a plugged pressure line, but a disconnected line or ANY plug of the line or the switchover valve between the intake manifold and the ALDA will result in the same effect. There are several other potential causes, but they are much less common. When the problem is a plugged fuel or air filter, there will be a loss of power, but shifting will not be degraded. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel
What would it cost for the club to rent a tow vehicle on race weekend? Surely less than the cost of somebody owning a late model large truck. Sprinters are nice, but I'm not sure if they are worth the money. Wasn't that long ago you could get a 2006 Caravan for about 13k new, I wonder if they've got any left? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
Zoltan Finks wrote: And yes, the AMG Hammer. Anybody remember what Alain sold his Hammer for when he moved his shop? Seems like it was 4 digits. I remember being tempted, might have done it if he was closer to me. The Hammer engine was either missing or irreparably busted, but if I had a Hammer body/interior, I'd be willing to put serious cash into building the meanest 606 or CDI I could manage. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] columbus CL benz
http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/369367524.html no affiliation, association, etc. -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car / manny tranny wagons
E M wrote: I dont' think the big AMG W140 coupe ever came with a manual, unless it was a special order thing. Even then, I've never seen or heard of one. Gas six-cylinder w140s did exist with a stick elsewhere in the world. My understanding is that they're so rare as to basically not exist, though. Must have been special order-only. The coupes were all eight and twelve pot engines; no sticks from the factory. While we're on the subject, MBUSA says the w203 C-wagon was available with a stick. Has anyone ever actually seen one in the wild? I suspect they must be hiding out with all the manny 140s... Tom Kinda needs a new car but doesn't want a lame-o automatic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
In a message dated 7/8/2007 1:07:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any ideas? I think something like this might have been recently discussed, but since I did not have turbo then, I did not pay a lot of attention. I have a feeling it is some vac problem, but all the vac stuff seems to work, but I did not have a MityVac along to test it. Boy made it to Philly, I made it back to Houston, gotta figure out what to do with the car. Rich, I suspect it is one of three problems, the most likely listed first.. 1. the boost pressure signal is not reaching the ALDA, a squarish device on the top of the injector pump. This is a single pressure line which sources from a point on the intake manifold (typically a banjo shaped fitting that often clogs with carbon). It travels through an overboost valve, mounted on the firewall, that can aslo get clogged with carbon, and then to the ALDA Without this boost signal, the fuel injection does not add enough fuel to make the car go much above 75 on the level. 2. The overboost valve, mentioned above, can be triggered by a boost pressure sensing switch which is screwed into the intake manifold. This switch has been know to fail closed, triggering the overboost valve, which dumps the boost pressure signal going to the ALDA. You can lift the wire from the pressure sensing switch long enough to test the car and see if the problem goes away. NOTE: a true overboost condition may exist if the turbocharger unloading device has failed. Teeing in a pressure gauge in the boost signal line, as close to the ALDA as possible, will reveal this problem. Over boost protection should not be initiated until manifold pressure reaches about 15PSIG. 3. A clogged fuel filter can reduce peak horsepower, but as Marshall points out, would not normally change performance characteristics during operation below the fuel limited peak. You do not need a vacuum pump. A fuel pressure tester, common in the previous century, will read pressures up to about 15 PSI. As mentioned above, you connect it into the boost signal line near the ALDA. Good luck, this should be a cheap fix. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] CIS rebuild kit
Does anyone know if you can buy a rebuild kit for a CIS unit? I have narrowed down the slight miss at idle on my 560SEL to a cylinder not getting fuel at idle. Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit
No kits that I know of, alas. Change the injector and line first! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel
What would it cost for the club to rent a tow vehicle on race weekend? Surely less than the cost of somebody owning a late model large truck. This is true, and exactly what happened this last time. They rented a truck with a 16' box on it that also served as the boat transporter. It did the job nicely while our 1 ton towed our boat. We had fun on the boat before race day, and it also served as the start boat for the dragon boat race course. Back to the vehicle situation, it would cost me at least the same amount to buy a Sprinter as it did for the truck. A minivan with the towing capacity necessary for towing our boat would be the ideal setup, the only choice being the GM RWD minivan (safari/Astro) if they're still being made. My parents' '05 FWD Chrysler TC Stow'n Go would be fine in terms of hauling us around as well as cargo with the stowaway seats, but the towing capacity isn't enough. Its mileage averages around 20mpg in mixed driving and has been as much as 26 on the highway. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit
What excactly are you after? Rebuild the distributor? If you know which cylinder is bad then you can swap injectors with another cylinder to see if it is the injector. - Original Message - From: Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit Does anyone know if you can buy a rebuild kit for a CIS unit? I have narrowed down the slight miss at idle on my 560SEL to a cylinder not getting fuel at idle. Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel
I don't know what the rated towing capacity for a Grand Caravan is but I know for a fact that my friend Rick put many miles on his 90 pulling a 17 foot utility/car trailer hauling his '25 Model T Delivery with no problem at all. He would just leave the OD off and take it easy.I can't imagine your boat weighs that much...DOes it? Mike What would it cost for the club to rent a tow vehicle on race weekend? Surely less than the cost of somebody owning a late model large truck. This is true, and exactly what happened this last time. They rented a truck with a 16' box on it that also served as the boat transporter. It did the job nicely while our 1 ton towed our boat. We had fun on the boat before race day, and it also served as the start boat for the dragon boat race course. Back to the vehicle situation, it would cost me at least the same amount to buy a Sprinter as it did for the truck. A minivan with the towing capacity necessary for towing our boat would be the ideal setup, the only choice being the GM RWD minivan (safari/Astro) if they're still being made. My parents' '05 FWD Chrysler TC Stow'n Go would be fine in terms of hauling us around as well as cargo with the stowaway seats, but the towing capacity isn't enough. Its mileage averages around 20mpg in mixed driving and has been as much as 26 on the highway. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel
Once again, great points! I can't imagine the boat weighing more than that Model T. Do you know which engine he had in it? Oh, I just remembered that the caravans equipped with the 3.0 Mitsu engine came with a 3 speed auto W/O OD behind it, and you mentioned that his van had OD indicating that it must have had the 3.3L. I'm going to check the towing capacity on the newer Caravans and similar to see if they would meet the need. Of course, the boat only gets towed a few months out of the year, so something smaller than the truck to drive around during the rest of the year would be wonderful. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic carunlessthe design and execution has been proven
to my mind, 174hp out of 2.4 liter naturally aspirated motor with a lot of torque is A ROCKET by any means. On 7/8/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the 2.2 ecotec is the best 4 gm has ever made. My Parents' little HHR has the 2.4L Ecotec engine in it, hopefully as robust as the 2.2L version. It puts out 174hp, not a rocket by any means. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel
Yes it was the 3.3 with OD. He figured out that when the tranny get's a little wierd shifting to go to the PnP and get a new electric shift box for it and away you go without a typically not needed tranny rebuild Mike Once again, great points! I can't imagine the boat weighing more than that Model T. Do you know which engine he had in it? Oh, I just remembered that the caravans equipped with the 3.0 Mitsu engine came with a 3 speed auto W/O OD behind it, and you mentioned that his van had OD indicating that it must have had the 3.3L. I'm going to check the towing capacity on the newer Caravans and similar to see if they would meet the need. Of course, the boat only gets towed a few months out of the year, so something smaller than the truck to drive around during the rest of the year would be wonderful. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: For MI-ers: THE MIGHTY MAC -- Our bridge at 50
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:58:35 -0600 Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is, if you wanted to trash vehicles that were not built in the good old USA, which cars WOULDN'T you target? Good point. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
On 08/07/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E M wrote: The SLR is a nice car, and I've seen several. It's pretty limited production, and if you put it up against a Porsche CGT, my money would still be on the Porsche, even though you would probably have to be a better driver to wring the last bit out of the porsche. A lot of people think they are better drivers until they find the CGT's limits, then they are waiting for somebody to extract them from the wreckage. CGTs collide with fixed objects even more often than Enzos do. (but that may be due to the relative rarity of the Enzo) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
to my mind, 174hp out of 2.4 liter naturally aspirated motor with a lot of torque is A ROCKET by any means. Well, I guess it's because I haven't driven it to see what it could actually do (blind people can't drive, stupid law! -:). Mama doesn't really put her foot into it no matter how much I want her to do it. It must have quite a lot of power in reserve. Her PT Cruiser which preceded the HHR had 150HP out of a 2.4L DOHC 16 valve 4 cylinder with 167LbFt of torque, IIRC. If these engines were in lighter cars rather than pulling 3200LB around, , zippy would be an understatement! Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
I've heard the CGT is a hard car at the limit, and also a hard car to lanch, although most don't do it right. Only crashed CGT's I've seen pics of have been on the track, while most Enzos seem to meet their end on the road. I try to live by the rule, Let them think I'm better than I am, than prove I'm not. For a while, seems I heard about a crashed Enzo every couple of weeks. Maybe a few more DE events would have been in order. Ed On 08/07/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E M wrote: The SLR is a nice car, and I've seen several. It's pretty limited production, and if you put it up against a Porsche CGT, my money would still be on the Porsche, even though you would probably have to be a better driver to wring the last bit out of the porsche. A lot of people think they are better drivers until they find the CGT's limits, then they are waiting for somebody to extract them from the wreckage. CGTs collide with fixed objects even more often than Enzos do. (but that may be due to the relative rarity of the Enzo) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy anydomesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
to my mind, 174hp out of 2.4 liter naturally aspirated motor with a lot of torque is A ROCKET by any means. Anything more than 1 horsepower per cubic inch used to be the standard for performance cars and that was before net hp figures. 2.4 liters is 145 or so cubic inches so that IS pretty impressive. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
I don't know if any of the old AMG stuff is suported by mercedes or AMG as we now know it. I don't know if it would be worth restoring an old Hammer as so many of todays AMG models will equal or better the performance. Maybe you should pick up an old W124 E500. Nice flared fenders, and I believe they are all assembled at Porsche. I would image you could probably still get whatever you would need for the car over the counter at the dealer, if at a price! :-) I remember seeing a Hammer or two. They looked very experimental compared to the stuff today. You could see all the hand welds on the heads and stuff. I think I even have a couple of old AMG catalogs around somewhere. Even kits for old W123 and W126s. :-) Them was the days. hee hee Ed On 08/07/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: And yes, the AMG Hammer. Anybody remember what Alain sold his Hammer for when he moved his shop? Seems like it was 4 digits. I remember being tempted, might have done it if he was closer to me. The Hammer engine was either missing or irreparably busted, but if I had a Hammer body/interior, I'd be willing to put serious cash into building the meanest 606 or CDI I could manage. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
Gary Hurst wrote: to my mind, 174hp out of 2.4 liter naturally aspirated motor with a lot of torque is A ROCKET by any means. Beats my Cosworth tuned 2.3L 190E by 7hp. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions? If not mentioned before- WHERE is the car- Philly was mentioned, I think? Perhaps a lister is nearby and might be in a position to lend a 'hands on'... Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Have you seen these TV ads
Hi guys. There's a Citi (bank) ad that shows a MB 190SL owned by a waitress and two guys talking about how to invest or sumpin' like that She chases the kid away from her car..Sorta' cute. And.. Does anybody believe the Lexus IS ad with the ball bearing rolling around, only to be caught by the driver when he flicks the wiper blade..??? C'mon!!! So the ad agency is batting .500 on those two... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $50 Paint Job
ME? I've found a color of Ace Hardware rust preventer spray paint that is a perfect match for my car's factory color. It is almost like it was brewed to factory specs. On 7/8/07, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the schizzle. It's amazing what you can do with the right tools and mad skillz... Bob R. Few tools...fewer skillz -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Have you seen these TV ads
I've seen the commercial. What they don't say is that she bought the SL from Kaleb on eBay, drove it to work a few years ago to show it off to her co-workers, and the engine seized. There is NOTHING in the commercial to suggest that the car actually runs, just that it is hers. On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys. There's a Citi (bank) ad that shows a MB 190SL owned by a waitress and two guys talking about how to invest or sumpin' like that She chases the kid away from her car..Sorta' cute. And.. Does anybody believe the Lexus IS ad with the ball bearing rolling around, only to be caught by the driver when he flicks the wiper blade..??? C'mon!!! So the ad agency is batting .500 on those two... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy anydomesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
I used to play with Chrysler 2.2 liter cars one of the cars I owned was a 89 Lebaron Coupe GTC. The intercooled Turbo II engine was factory rated at 174 HP. Fortunately, I live in Huntsville AL, where the brains were designed and manufactured. I knew the software guys got a off road only performance engine control computer. The new computer plus exhaust modifications pushed the engine to 224 HP. The secret? At full throttle, the original computer spiked the turbo boost at 15 PSI and then immediately dropped boost back to 12 PSI. Also, timing was seriously retarded under full boost. The off road only performance engine control computer ran boost to 15 PSI held it there. Plus, timing was not retarded as much. Exhaust modifications consisted of removing the cat. And the results? The car ran 92 octane or higher premium only, no exceptions. The cruise control was no longer functional. Something to do with the original source code. The car had so much torque that the two front tires would walk, they would alternately hop up down as the two axles twisted untwisted. I ran 205 55 VR16 tires the most I got out of a set of front tires was 19,000 miles. The added torque eventually twisted apart the area where the front motor mount fastened. From then on, I had to get sheet metal re-welded as it split apart again and again. A couple of years later, aftermarket came up with a permanent solution involving a shock / spring assembly that mounted from the rear of the engine. Anyone who believes you can't get performance out of a Chrysler, even back then, really does not understand. You just need to know how.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Knoble Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy anydomesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven to my mind, 174hp out of 2.4 liter naturally aspirated motor with a lot of torque is A ROCKET by any means. Anything more than 1 horsepower per cubic inch used to be the standard for performance cars and that was before net hp figures. 2.4 liters is 145 or so cubic inches so that IS pretty impressive. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 87 124 pdfs needed
I got it working. Not sure what was the cause. I checked out everything, and everything checked out, and the last time I put humpty together, the compressor turned. Put 134a in it and we have somewhat cool. (the best you can expect with 134a crap.) I suspect Jim C was right, something with the compressor plug. Loren Somewhat cool, even in 100 degrees as long as I am on the interstate. 300D At 02:29 AM 7/7/2007, you wrote: Some cars have the safety switches _before_ the high-current circuitry, some after (switch in-line with the compressor clutch). The SDL has it before the Klima, in the control circuitry. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Have you seen these TV ads
And she oughta' sell it to the lawyers as a classic... On Jul 8, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: I've seen the commercial. What they don't say is that she bought the SL from Kaleb on eBay, drove it to work a few years ago to show it off to her co-workers, and the engine seized. There is NOTHING in the commercial to suggest that the car actually runs, just that it is hers. On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys. There's a Citi (bank) ad that shows a MB 190SL owned by a waitress and two guys talking about how to invest or sumpin' like that She chases the kid away from her car..Sorta' cute. And.. Does anybody believe the Lexus IS ad with the ball bearing rolling around, only to be caught by the driver when he flicks the wiper blade..??? C'mon!!! So the ad agency is batting .500 on those two... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
which people here would tell you was really powerful. because it's a mercedes. but more horsepower in a a chevy of similar size is weak. because it's a chevy . get it? On 7/8/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: to my mind, 174hp out of 2.4 liter naturally aspirated motor with a lot of torque is A ROCKET by any means. Beats my Cosworth tuned 2.3L 190E by 7hp. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
Kevin, Since you mentioned the fact that blind people can't drive it's a stupid law then why do many drive up ATM's have Braille imprinted on their keypads? Here's another one, but not blind related. Wal-Mart sells a product in their pet department called breeding grass. It's an artificial plant that floats upside down in the tank is designed to baby give guppies a place to hide so that momma does not eat them. This statement is printed on the side of the box: Always supervise your pet when playing with this product. And my point in all of this ranting? Maybe you are less blind then some of our legislators??? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven to my mind, 174hp out of 2.4 liter naturally aspirated motor with a lot of torque is A ROCKET by any means. Well, I guess it's because I haven't driven it to see what it could actually do (blind people can't drive, stupid law! -:). Mama doesn't really put her foot into it no matter how much I want her to do it. It must have quite a lot of power in reserve. Her PT Cruiser which preceded the HHR had 150HP out of a 2.4L DOHC 16 valve 4 cylinder with 167LbFt of torque, IIRC. If these engines were in lighter cars rather than pulling 3200LB around, , zippy would be an understatement! Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions?
Yeah, the car is now in PHL area -- this is a good experience for the new owner, I think we can figure it out as it appears to be a rather simple fix. He is going to take some piccies, my neighbor has a car for me to look at, I can direct him from here with the piccies and maint manual, so we can probably figure it out. Thanks to all who replied -- I wish had access yesterday! We coulda got this thing runnin right! Another thought -- driving this car for 900 miles on Friday was a total dream, even with the problems. Rolling along at 75-80, hearing that engine humming along pretty quietly, stretched out in the comfy seat slid back, firm yet supple ride, some tunes on the deck, passing those fueling stations, seeing that star on the front... Even before we left, my wife started making noise about unloading the Suburban and finding another nice one for her. I only saw a few other Benzes on the road, once you get out of Houston and into the country, they are not very plentiful. We stayed at my auntie's (70ish) Fri night, the boys left early Sat AM, she came to look at the car in the morning and made quite an expression -- I think she was thinking this was some high-fidelity first-class traveling set for these young whippersnappers! I gotta take a road trip with my buddy in his S430 and get a 20 yr update. --R Tony Wirtel wrote: If not mentioned before- WHERE is the car- Philly was mentioned, I think? Perhaps a lister is nearby and might be in a position to lend a 'hands on'... Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
Got it, I think. Posing is as important as power? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven which people here would tell you was really powerful. because it's a mercedes. but more horsepower in a a chevy of similar size is weak. because it's a chevy . get it? On 7/8/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: to my mind, 174hp out of 2.4 liter naturally aspirated motor with a lot of torque is A ROCKET by any means. Beats my Cosworth tuned 2.3L 190E by 7hp. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
And the doors at the grocery say No dogs except for seeing eye dogs. Think about it. --R Tom Hargrave wrote: Kevin, Since you mentioned the fact that blind people can't drive it's a stupid law then why do many drive up ATM's have Braille imprinted on their keypads? Here's another one, but not blind related. Wal-Mart sells a product in their pet department called breeding grass. It's an artificial plant that floats upside down in the tank is designed to baby give guppies a place to hide so that momma does not eat them. This statement is printed on the side of the box: Always supervise your pet when playing with this product. And my point in all of this ranting? Maybe you are less blind then some of our legislators??? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel
The 3.0 liter Mitsu engines suffered from premature valve guide wear due to improper valve train geometry and many were repaired under a quit recall. Back then if you brought in a smoking minivan with less than 90,000 miles and you were the original owner, Chrysler fixed the issue - no questions asked. The improper geometry wore the guides egg shaped because there was some sideways pressure placed on the valves stems. The Chrysler 3.3 liter engines did not suffer from this problem. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel Once again, great points! I can't imagine the boat weighing more than that Model T. Do you know which engine he had in it? Oh, I just remembered that the caravans equipped with the 3.0 Mitsu engine came with a 3 speed auto W/O OD behind it, and you mentioned that his van had OD indicating that it must have had the 3.3L. I'm going to check the towing capacity on the newer Caravans and similar to see if they would meet the need. Of course, the boat only gets towed a few months out of the year, so something smaller than the truck to drive around during the rest of the year would be wonderful. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
i always bring my dog into those places On 7/8/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the doors at the grocery say No dogs except for seeing eye dogs. Think about it. --R Tom Hargrave wrote: Kevin, Since you mentioned the fact that blind people can't drive it's a stupid law then why do many drive up ATM's have Braille imprinted on their keypads? Here's another one, but not blind related. Wal-Mart sells a product in their pet department called breeding grass. It's an artificial plant that floats upside down in the tank is designed to baby give guppies a place to hide so that momma does not eat them. This statement is printed on the side of the box: Always supervise your pet when playing with this product. And my point in all of this ranting? Maybe you are less blind then some of our legislators??? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Have you seen these TV ads
A classic? I'd love to have it in my garage! On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And she oughta' sell it to the lawyers as a classic... On Jul 8, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: I've seen the commercial. What they don't say is that she bought the SL from Kaleb on eBay, drove it to work a few years ago to show it off to her co-workers, and the engine seized. There is NOTHING in the commercial to suggest that the car actually runs, just that it is hers. On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys. There's a Citi (bank) ad that shows a MB 190SL owned by a waitress and two guys talking about how to invest or sumpin' like that She chases the kid away from her car..Sorta' cute. And.. Does anybody believe the Lexus IS ad with the ball bearing rolling around, only to be caught by the driver when he flicks the wiper blade..??? C'mon!!! So the ad agency is batting .500 on those two... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Have you seen these TV ads
Don, But you said that it didn't run!!! Just wait till I need a PPI... Take care ... [::) Chuck On Jul 8, 2007, at 7:55 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: A classic? I'd love to have it in my garage! On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And she oughta' sell it to the lawyers as a classic... On Jul 8, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: I've seen the commercial. What they don't say is that she bought the SL from Kaleb on eBay, drove it to work a few years ago to show it off to her co-workers, and the engine seized. There is NOTHING in the commercial to suggest that the car actually runs, just that it is hers. On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys. There's a Citi (bank) ad that shows a MB 190SL owned by a waitress and two guys talking about how to invest or sumpin' like that She chases the kid away from her car..Sorta' cute. And.. Does anybody believe the Lexus IS ad with the ball bearing rolling around, only to be caught by the driver when he flicks the wiper blade..??? C'mon!!! So the ad agency is batting .500 on those two... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit
From my experience, your issue is more likely a worn out injector. They are just mechanical poppet valves the spray pattern suffer badly at idle, where the least fuel flows. In case you did not already know, the fuel distributor does not act like a diesel distributor, where pulses are sent to each cylinder. The injection system continuously sprays fuel through all injectors, even at idle. You can imagine the very slight spray pattern at idle. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trampas Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:07 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit Does anyone know if you can buy a rebuild kit for a CIS unit? I have narrowed down the slight miss at idle on my 560SEL to a cylinder not getting fuel at idle. Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit
I don't think you can get a kit as the pin is matched to the bore, and it's a real percision fit. I looked for one a few years back for my 911 and I was told Bosch will wait for a number or cores before they rebuild, so even if you fork out the money, you may have to wait. All the problem was in my case was two gummed up injectors. I would recommend you go with the injectors first, and I like the suggestion of just changing with with an injector you know is good to further narrow it down. Price of an injector sure beats a few CIS unit!! Good luck, Ed 300E On 08/07/07, Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if you can buy a rebuild kit for a CIS unit? I have narrowed down the slight miss at idle on my 560SEL to a cylinder not getting fuel at idle. Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit
I use to put the injector in a clean plastic water bottle and life the float and watch it spray. Not with the engine running of course. Careful, you are dealing with raw fuel, and with a CIS it's under a LOT of pressure!! CIS is Continous Injection System. Simple and durable system. I think some of the injectors also have small screens in them, as a last line of defense if the fuel filter misses something?? More often than not, I think they just gum up a little. No moving parts in them, so you can try to clean them somewhat. Good luck, Ed 300E On 08/07/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my experience, your issue is more likely a worn out injector. They are just mechanical poppet valves the spray pattern suffer badly at idle, where the least fuel flows. In case you did not already know, the fuel distributor does not act like a diesel distributor, where pulses are sent to each cylinder. The injection system continuously sprays fuel through all injectors, even at idle. You can imagine the very slight spray pattern at idle. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trampas Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:07 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit Does anyone know if you can buy a rebuild kit for a CIS unit? I have narrowed down the slight miss at idle on my 560SEL to a cylinder not getting fuel at idle. Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Have you seen these TV ads
A naive assumption. Maybe she got it cheap on eBay. Car is hot. Waitress is hotter. Showing my age. On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, But you said that it didn't run!!! Just wait till I need a PPI... Take care ... [::) Chuck On Jul 8, 2007, at 7:55 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: A classic? I'd love to have it in my garage! On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And she oughta' sell it to the lawyers as a classic... On Jul 8, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: I've seen the commercial. What they don't say is that she bought the SL from Kaleb on eBay, drove it to work a few years ago to show it off to her co-workers, and the engine seized. There is NOTHING in the commercial to suggest that the car actually runs, just that it is hers. On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys. There's a Citi (bank) ad that shows a MB 190SL owned by a waitress and two guys talking about how to invest or sumpin' like that She chases the kid away from her car..Sorta' cute. And.. Does anybody believe the Lexus IS ad with the ball bearing rolling around, only to be caught by the driver when he flicks the wiper blade..??? C'mon!!! So the ad agency is batting .500 on those two... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Have you seen these TV ads
Yep. Saw that commercial. Reminds me of the Caddilac commercial that shows four young studly business men riding around in a silver Caddy. They pull up to a diner and meet four distinguished gentlemen in a black colored one. They all look eachother up and down. And the announcer says something like welcome to gentlemenhood or something like that. The problem with this fantasy is that there are in fact two types of people that drive big Cadillacs, but the commercial has the types wrong. Brian On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys. There's a Citi (bank) ad that shows a MB 190SL owned by a waitress and two guys talking about how to invest or sumpin' like that She chases the kid away from her car..Sorta' cute. And.. Does anybody believe the Lexus IS ad with the ball bearing rolling around, only to be caught by the driver when he flicks the wiper blade..??? C'mon!!! So the ad agency is batting .500 on those two... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Have you seen these TV ads
I saw the ad I agree with your assessment. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 10:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Have you seen these TV ads A naive assumption. Maybe she got it cheap on eBay. Car is hot. Waitress is hotter. Showing my age. On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don, But you said that it didn't run!!! Just wait till I need a PPI... Take care ... [::) Chuck On Jul 8, 2007, at 7:55 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: A classic? I'd love to have it in my garage! On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And she oughta' sell it to the lawyers as a classic... On Jul 8, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: I've seen the commercial. What they don't say is that she bought the SL from Kaleb on eBay, drove it to work a few years ago to show it off to her co-workers, and the engine seized. There is NOTHING in the commercial to suggest that the car actually runs, just that it is hers. On 7/8/07, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys. There's a Citi (bank) ad that shows a MB 190SL owned by a waitress and two guys talking about how to invest or sumpin' like that She chases the kid away from her car..Sorta' cute. And.. Does anybody believe the Lexus IS ad with the ball bearing rolling around, only to be caught by the driver when he flicks the wiper blade..??? C'mon!!! So the ad agency is batting .500 on those two... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
