Re: [MBZ] 6 cyl e300 diesel?
I am looking at a w113 (yeah, sure) or a w107. The 107 will get the Frankenbenz treatment and mated with a nice om616 This one? http://spokane.craigslist.org/car/379797980.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 6 cyl e300 diesel?
Oh you are a vulture Kevin, just waiting for me to drop dead and then swoop in and snatch Gump and Cleo. I wouldn't worry too much. I've seen a few '72 220D's on this side of the Columbia, most would be considered project cars. There's a guy who has a '72 220D for sale, one of three Mercedes Diesels along with a '75 240D and an '80 300sD. He got them all as a package deal cleaning out a construction site. The SD started after being Jumpered (his words not mine), but the other two just turned over. I have a hunch that the W115's would have lit off too if he had known about the pullstart knob. I'm hoping for the best as I'm going to look at the 220D tomorrow if it's still available. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saab 900
I wish I had the haggling gene, I always just feel cheap. Anyway, saw the car, its rusty. Interestingly no rust underneith but along the edges on top, the fender lips (all 4) are rusty and have been spraybombed over rust. The hood was very rusty along the edge where it meets the fenders. You get the idea. Nice looking car from 50 feet for now until they spraybomb paint falls off. Started easy and ran good, A/C Needs a recharge but has the stickers indicating its been converted to 134a. Clutch pedal drops to the floor with almost no pressure. I couldn't find the brake resevior but admitedly didn't look real hard. The headliner has been removed with a dull knife, big hunks of it are still there. Front seats need new covers. Good: Brand new rear windshield, 8 wheels and decent tires plus the donut spare. Engine runs really well, enginebay was reasonably clean. All in all if somebody already had a 900 and needed a parts car this would be a good candidate. I decided to pass. I did get him down to $400 but then decided I wasn't looking for this much project... -Curt Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:04:17 -0400 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Saab 900 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well Curt, I would even go lower now -or try. My grandfather was a horse trader and my brother spent years in the car business, so haggling comes naturally to me. . Seriously though, he seems motivated. Good luck and keep us posted. Of all the cars I have had, I would rank my 900S na 5-speed and my 300D 2.5t as the two best drivers. FWIW Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI So I've got an appointment to see the Saab 900 today and I notice on Craigslist he's brought his price down to $500 OBO. I guess Dwights $450 offer might get used. -Curt - Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
OK Don wrote: I was at my Indy's yesterday checking on a couple of cars he had for sale. I saw a 1992 300D 2.5 (looked just like OK Don's car). I told him I was looking for one of those and he said he just sold it. Here's the crazy part. He sold it for $11,000 (that is not a typo -more than $10,000). The car was very nice and it only had 89,000 miles. But, that still seems crazy. I'm not a bit surprised. I paid $9,000 for my 300SDL. I goy 5 very good years out of it and about 100Kmi. My budget at the time was $10,000 for a commuter. What were my options? A 3 year old Toyota? The person who bought this one, from a good Indy will probably get similar results. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
OK Don wrote: All of the Mercedes that I watched on eBay this week have closed really low - most not meeting the reserve. Is this a one-time burp, or a market trend? Are those new BlueTech Diesels lowering demand for our beloved old steeds? I was at my Indy's yesterday checking on a couple of cars he had for sale. I saw a 1992 300D 2.5 (looked just like OK Don's car). I told him I was looking for one of those and he said he just sold it. Here's the crazy part. He sold it for $11,000 (that is not a typo -more than $10,000). The car was very nice and it only had 89,000 miles. But, that still seems crazy. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
Kaleb wrote regarding mileage on a 126 420 SEL about 18 city, 21 highway That sounds a little high. The EPA estimates (which are very generous and not based on reality) list that car as 14 city and 17 highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm But those estimates may be off because I get 19-20 in my car on the highway and the EPA revised estimates list it at 17. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
Amen I found out long ago I could own 2-3 old cars for less than the price of a new one. That way a maintenance issue is not a big deal. Just get on the other horse and ride. Fix the other one when its convenient. At 09:33 AM 7/27/2007, you wrote: Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not a bit surprised. I paid $9,000 for my 300SDL. I goy 5 very good years out of it and about 100Kmi. My budget at the time was $10,000 for a commuter. What were my options? A 3 year old Toyota? The person who bought this one, from a good Indy will probably get similar results. My take on it is, I always want to have at least two cars. Cars break down, need maintenance, occasionally get into crashes, etc. and whether you do repairs yourself or have a mechanic you are then without a car if you only have one. So, I'd rather have 2 fairly good $5000 cars than one really nice $10,000 car, if $10,000 is my bugdet. I'd probably skew it more like $3000/$7000 or even more in that case, so I had a nicer car and a beater for winter use, hauling mulch, or whatever. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saab 900
Curt, Probably a good idea-those fender lips can' really ever be fixed right once they start to rust as the original molding that kept out the water where the two pieces of metal come together can't really be replaced. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 8:56 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Saab 900 I wish I had the haggling gene, I always just feel cheap. Anyway, saw the car, its rusty. Interestingly no rust underneith but along the edges on top, the fender lips (all 4) are rusty and have been spraybombed over rust. The hood was very rusty along the edge where it meets the fenders. You get the idea. Nice looking car from 50 feet for now until they spraybomb paint falls off. Started easy and ran good, A/C Needs a recharge but has the stickers indicating its been converted to 134a. Clutch pedal drops to the floor with almost no pressure. I couldn't find the brake resevior but admitedly didn't look real hard. The headliner has been removed with a dull knife, big hunks of it are still there. Front seats need new covers. Good: Brand new rear windshield, 8 wheels and decent tires plus the donut spare. Engine runs really well, enginebay was reasonably clean. All in all if somebody already had a 900 and needed a parts car this would be a good candidate. I decided to pass. I did get him down to $400 but then decided I wasn't looking for this much project... -Curt Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:04:17 -0400 From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Saab 900 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well Curt, I would even go lower now -or try. My grandfather was a horse trader and my brother spent years in the car business, so haggling comes naturally to me. . Seriously though, he seems motivated. Good luck and keep us posted. Of all the cars I have had, I would rank my 900S na 5-speed and my 300D 2.5t as the two best drivers. FWIW Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI So I've got an appointment to see the Saab 900 today and I notice on Craigslist he's brought his price down to $500 OBO. I guess Dwights $450 offer might get used. -Curt - Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not a bit surprised. I paid $9,000 for my 300SDL. I goy 5 very good years out of it and about 100Kmi. My budget at the time was $10,000 for a commuter. What were my options? A 3 year old Toyota? The person who bought this one, from a good Indy will probably get similar results. My take on it is, I always want to have at least two cars. Cars break down, need maintenance, occasionally get into crashes, etc. and whether you do repairs yourself or have a mechanic you are then without a car if you only have one. So, I'd rather have 2 fairly good $5000 cars than one really nice $10,000 car, if $10,000 is my bugdet. I'd probably skew it more like $3000/$7000 or even more in that case, so I had a nicer car and a beater for winter use, hauling mulch, or whatever. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
I paid under 10k after the immediate repairs, for my SDL in 1999 and drove it 7 years + and 230k miles. I coulda bought a used frod or other detroit iron for the money, or a riceburner. I doubt any would have lasted as long, and for those 7 years, I was driving an S class Mercedes Benz, and quite possibly one of the best looking, timeless cars ever made. Not to mention the safety of a MB. A really good SDL is still worth 10k to someone who puts on lots of miles. When I got my first 190Dc, I found the MB diesel was the lowest cost/mile to operate of anything available. The cost/mile has gone up dramatically, but the MB Diesel cost/mile still holds up pretty well if you buy used and drive lotsa miles. Gassers cost more than diesels, but MB gassers cost/mile can still hold up pretty well compared to other gassers. Loren I was at my Indy's yesterday checking on a couple of cars he had for sale. I saw a 1992 300D 2.5 (looked just like OK Don's car). I told him I was looking for one of those and he said he just sold it. Here's the crazy part. He sold it for $11,000 (that is not a typo -more than $10,000). The car was very nice and it only had 89,000 miles. But, that still seems crazy. I'm not a bit surprised. I paid $9,000 for my 300SDL. I goy 5 very good years out of it and about 100Kmi. My budget at the time was $10,000 for a commuter. What were my options? A 3 year old Toyota? The person who bought this one, from a good Indy will probably get similar results. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube
It's most likely light machine oil. One of many things I do is I work on safes for several local Dominos franchises I can say that all of the locks used in these safes are lubricated with a light machine oil, about 10 weight from what I can tell. They were lubricated from the fatory I use 10 weight oil on them when they get sticky. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07/27/07 11:15 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On 7/27/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always heard never to lubricate a lock that is working, and only use dry graphite powder if necessary. Any kind of oil or grease will only speed the accumulation of dirt in the mechanism. This is the conventional wisdom for regular cars, but, as usual, things are different for Mercedes. The official lock lube is definitely not graphite powder, although I'm not sure what it in fact is. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of many things I do is I work on safes for several local Dominos franchises I can say that all of the locks used in these safes are lubricated with a light machine oil, about 10 weight from what I can tell. They were lubricated from the fatory I use 10 weight oil on them when they get sticky. They have safes? When I worked there the manager would have to take the nightly deposit to the bank after closing. If it was a busy night he might send a early deposit out with one of the delivery drivers to drop at the bank. The till (the cash needed to open the next day) was taken home at night. They had a toolbox with a padlock on it that they used for that. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem in my state (Connecticut) is that the fixed costs (Taxes Insurance) are so high that I cannot afford to have several casual vehicles. This is a good thing, I would morph into Kalib/East. Well that is a consideration. When I lived in Chicago, I had pretty much decided that if I was going to stay IN the city I would not own a car at all. The taxes, permits, insurance, and parking kill you. It's cheaper to take taxis or public transport locally, and rent if you need to go out of town. We ended up moving to the suburbs and kept the cars. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
Same thing in Florida. Car insurance costs are prohibitive when it comes to owning multiple vehicles. For what I pay for one I could insure three in Wisconsin. Dan --- Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:44:59 -0500, you wrote: Amen I found out long ago I could own 2-3 old cars for less than the price of a new one. That way a maintenance issue is not a big deal. Just get on the other horse and ride. Fix the other one when its convenient. The problem in my state (Connecticut) is that the fixed costs (Taxes Insurance) are so high that I cannot afford to have several casual vehicles. This is a good thing, I would morph into Kalib/East. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:44:59 -0500, you wrote: Amen I found out long ago I could own 2-3 old cars for less than the price of a new one. That way a maintenance issue is not a big deal. Just get on the other horse and ride. Fix the other one when its convenient. The problem in my state (Connecticut) is that the fixed costs (Taxes Insurance) are so high that I cannot afford to have several casual vehicles. This is a good thing, I would morph into Kalib/East. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube
On 7/27/07, The Wakin's [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the new ignition cylinder for my 97 e320, and I am assuming I need to lube it before I install it as it was shipped dry. I stopped at the local autoparts store (napa) and they only sell graphite lube for locks. Can someone tell me if I need to lube the cylinder assembly, and if so, what I should use? Yeah, I need to know this too, for a 124 if it makes any difference. What kind of lube, and where do you put it? (I do have a container of the official M-B lock lube, with the special tip to inject it into the keyhole, but I suspect you can lube more efficiently/completely when the cylinder is out of the car.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube
I've always heard never to lubricate a lock that is working, and only use dry graphite powder if necessary. Any kind of oil or grease will only speed the accumulation of dirt in the mechanism. Allan Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 7/27/07, The Wakin's [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the new ignition cylinder for my 97 e320, and I am assuming I need to lube it before I install it as it was shipped dry. I stopped at the local autoparts store (napa) and they only sell graphite lube for locks. Can someone tell me if I need to lube the cylinder assembly, and if so, what I should use? Yeah, I need to know this too, for a 124 if it makes any difference. What kind of lube, and where do you put it? (I do have a container of the official M-B lock lube, with the special tip to inject it into the keyhole, but I suspect you can lube more efficiently/completely when the cylinder is out of the car.) -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube
I have the new ignition cylinder for my 97 e320, and I am assuming I need to lube it before I install it as it was shipped dry. I stopped at the local autoparts store (napa) and they only sell graphite lube for locks. Can someone tell me if I need to lube the cylinder assembly, and if so, what I should use? Thanks Dave W ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube
On 7/27/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always heard never to lubricate a lock that is working, and only use dry graphite powder if necessary. Any kind of oil or grease will only speed the accumulation of dirt in the mechanism. This is the conventional wisdom for regular cars, but, as usual, things are different for Mercedes. The official lock lube is definitely not graphite powder, although I'm not sure what it in fact is. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:09:19 -0400 Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always heard never to lubricate a lock that is working, and only use dry graphite powder if necessary. Do not use graphite on cars equipped with a factory alarm system, it will ruin the electric switch in the lock. Any kind of oil or grease will only speed the accumulation of dirt in the mechanism. And you certainly don't need dirt. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Two-stroke oil
2 stroke oil is a special formulation. Among other things, it has specisl abti-scuffing compounds to help protect the cylinder walls. Also, it will burn cleaner than heavier 4 stroke oil. Tom Original Message From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07/27/07 11:18 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: Two-stroke oil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= What's special about two stroke oil? Can I just dilute regular motor oil in the gasoline? Seems I never have any two-stroke oil on hand when I need it, but I always have motor oil around. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cost per mile
I drove a 92 VW Jetta D for a year and 30k miles. 43 mpg. But I quickly found that the noise drove me nuts at 75 mph, so I upgraded to a 300SD. I expected to pay more per mile, but I was wrong. While the VW was relatively trouble-free for me, I sold it to my brother who lusted after its mileage and the following 38 k miles have cost him dearly in maintenance and repairs--and he's a diesel mechanic! The thing was very hard to work on and cheaply made. The aluminum heads ALWAYS warp and crack, and lots of other little things disintegrate. On the other hand, the more complicated, but much better built and vastly easier to work on 300SD has been less expensive per mile, even considering my 26 mpg overall average. My only complaint with it is that I keep having to tell people that I don't own it because I'm rich, which I'm far from, but because I'm cheap. The driving experience, safety, etc. are all gravy. Even tho I've only driven it 3k miles this year, I can't bear to sell it. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube
Good Dominos franchises have drop safes with 15 minute delay timers and either a 2 key safe for twice a week Wells Fargo pickup or police escort to the bank. Those that don't have these systems in place are putting their Employees (You) at unreasonable risk. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07/27/07 11:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of many things I do is I work on safes for several local Dominos franchises I can say that all of the locks used in these safes are lubricated with a light machine oil, about 10 weight from what I can tell. They were lubricated from the fatory I use 10 weight oil on them when they get sticky. They have safes? When I worked there the manager would have to take the nightly deposit to the bank after closing. If it was a busy night he might send a early deposit out with one of the delivery drivers to drop at the bank. The till (the cash needed to open the next day) was taken home at night. They had a toolbox with a padlock on it that they used for that. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
I pay about $1k a year to insure 6 vehicles, fyi --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!! Same thing in Florida. Car insurance costs are prohibitive when it comes to owning multiple vehicles. For what I pay for one I could insure three in Wisconsin. Dan --- Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:44:59 -0500, you wrote: Amen I found out long ago I could own 2-3 old cars for less than the price of a new one. That way a maintenance issue is not a big deal. Just get on the other horse and ride. Fix the other one when its convenient. The problem in my state (Connecticut) is that the fixed costs (Taxes Insurance) are so high that I cannot afford to have several casual vehicles. This is a good thing, I would morph into Kalib/East. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Two-stroke oil
What's special about two stroke oil? There are two different specs for two stroke oil. One is for air cooled high rpm engines API TC and one is for watercooled engines TC-WII. Here is a pretty good disertation on them. http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oilworks.htm http://www.ultralightnews.com/features/oiltest.htm http://www.ultralightnews.com/enginetroublshooting/oiltr.htm Can I just dilute regular motor oil in the gasoline? NO. And YES Mobil One makes two stroke oils http://www.mobil.com/Canada-English/Lubes/PDS/IOCAENPVLMOMobil_1_MX2T.asp http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Racing_2T.aspx Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dogs in cars [was: Re: OT: Saab 900 Clutch]
There was also a clip on the NBC nightly news and an article in the NE Journal of Medicine. http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/4/328 On 7/27/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a story in the morning paper about the killer cat at the old folks home. She has lived there since a kitten and now is the harbinger of death. Goes on rounds and then decides to sit with those who are going to kick the bucket. Better at predicting death than the medicos, so staff has taken to calling next of kin when kitty picks a passer. clay On 25 Jul 2007, at 19:42, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... seizure alert dog? I recently read a story about a low sugar alert dog (for a diabetic) - amazing thing is that the dog had no training and was rescued from a local (Kansas City) shelter. Chris, Do you have a URL for that story? My wife has had seizures and we got the particular GSD we now have because her grandfather is an outstanding seizure alert dog (warning typically 20 minutes before a seizure, sometimes 45 minutes). My wife is also a diabetic and it would be a great help if Ori would let her know when her blood sugar is going down. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
That is crazy, should have sold for 8k or so. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!! OK Don wrote: All of the Mercedes that I watched on eBay this week have closed really low - most not meeting the reserve. Is this a one-time burp, or a market trend? Are those new BlueTech Diesels lowering demand for our beloved old steeds? I was at my Indy's yesterday checking on a couple of cars he had for sale. I saw a 1992 300D 2.5 (looked just like OK Don's car). I told him I was looking for one of those and he said he just sold it. Here's the crazy part. He sold it for $11,000 (that is not a typo -more than $10,000). The car was very nice and it only had 89,000 miles. But, that still seems crazy. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
Yes, but you don't have no-fault insurance in Okieland. That being said, no-fault is going away later this year, courtesy of our legislature. However, we've been warned that we should not expect a significant change in our insurance costs. Just another opportunity for the insurance companies to increase their profits and bone us in the butts in the process. Not to mention that the uninsured motorist problem will still be significant down here until the state starts enforcing the laws. Casual estimates suggest that over 40% of the drivers on Florida roads are uninsured. Dan --- Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I pay about $1k a year to insure 6 vehicles, fyi --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!! Same thing in Florida. Car insurance costs are prohibitive when it comes to owning multiple vehicles. For what I pay for one I could insure three in Wisconsin. Dan --- Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:44:59 -0500, you wrote: Amen I found out long ago I could own 2-3 old cars for less than the price of a new one. That way a maintenance issue is not a big deal. Just get on the other horse and ride. Fix the other one when its convenient. The problem in my state (Connecticut) is that the fixed costs (Taxes Insurance) are so high that I cannot afford to have several casual vehicles. This is a good thing, I would morph into Kalib/East. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
I gotta say that I find the 126 body style to be a real turn-off. I could never own one of these. Timeless, maybe, but also blimp-like. On 7/27/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I paid under 10k after the immediate repairs, for my SDL in 1999 and drove it 7 years + and 230k miles. I coulda bought a used frod or other detroit iron for the money, or a riceburner. I doubt any would have lasted as long, and for those 7 years, I was driving an S class Mercedes Benz, and quite possibly one of the best looking, timeless cars ever made. Not to mention the safety of a MB. A really good SDL is still worth 10k to someone who puts on lots of miles. When I got my first 190Dc, I found the MB diesel was the lowest cost/mile to operate of anything available. The cost/mile has gone up dramatically, but the MB Diesel cost/mile still holds up pretty well if you buy used and drive lotsa miles. Gassers cost more than diesels, but MB gassers cost/mile can still hold up pretty well compared to other gassers. Loren I was at my Indy's yesterday checking on a couple of cars he had for sale. I saw a 1992 300D 2.5 (looked just like OK Don's car). I told him I was looking for one of those and he said he just sold it. Here's the crazy part. He sold it for $11,000 (that is not a typo -more than $10,000). The car was very nice and it only had 89,000 miles. But, that still seems crazy. I'm not a bit surprised. I paid $9,000 for my 300SDL. I goy 5 very good years out of it and about 100Kmi. My budget at the time was $10,000 for a commuter. What were my options? A 3 year old Toyota? The person who bought this one, from a good Indy will probably get similar results. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
You're right. I basically don't like the looks of most any Mercedes body style after 1987. I might be persuaded to upgrade to a W124 turbo diesel wagon but anything beyond that is painful to contemplate. I might also make an exception for one of those cool new bluetooth (?) turbo diesels. The fuel economy could cause me to swallow my sense of aesthetics while enjoying the mod cons of the New Millennium technology. W123 300TD and 300CD 111 coupe On 7/27/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/27/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gotta say that I find the 126 body style to be a real turn-off. I could never own one of these. Timeless, maybe, but also blimp-like. You must REALLY not like the 140! ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cost per mile
When you factor in depreciate and everything, the cheapest car I've ever owned was a Pontiac Sunbird four banger. I still have it. Paid 15,200 new out the door, taxes and all. Over 200,000 kms and still going. Is it a benz, well no. Mileage, goes forever on a tank of cheap gas, when things go wrong, which they very seldom do, parts cost nothing. I did the whole front brake job in 45 minutes, new rotors, pads, pins, fluid everthing. Gave they guy at the parts counter $100 and got change back!! the exhaust system is stainless and all original!! If the car is worth nothing now, it cost just over $1200 to own. If the benz proves to be half as reliable, even at a higher cost to fix, I'll be very happy. Ed 300E On 27/07/07, Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I drove a 92 VW Jetta D for a year and 30k miles. 43 mpg. But I quickly found that the noise drove me nuts at 75 mph, so I upgraded to a 300SD. I expected to pay more per mile, but I was wrong. While the VW was relatively trouble-free for me, I sold it to my brother who lusted after its mileage and the following 38 k miles have cost him dearly in maintenance and repairs--and he's a diesel mechanic! The thing was very hard to work on and cheaply made. The aluminum heads ALWAYS warp and crack, and lots of other little things disintegrate. On the other hand, the more complicated, but much better built and vastly easier to work on 300SD has been less expensive per mile, even considering my 26 mpg overall average. My only complaint with it is that I keep having to tell people that I don't own it because I'm rich, which I'm far from, but because I'm cheap. The driving experience, safety, etc. are all gravy. Even tho I've only driven it 3k miles this year, I can't bear to sell it. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
That is the strangest thing I have heard. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry,this thing is going to end cheap!! I gotta say that I find the 126 body style to be a real turn-off. I could never own one of these. Timeless, maybe, but also blimp-like. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
On 7/27/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gotta say that I find the 126 body style to be a real turn-off. I could never own one of these. Timeless, maybe, but also blimp-like. You must REALLY not like the 140! ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
On 7/27/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I basically don't like the looks of most any Mercedes body style after 1987. I might be persuaded to upgrade to a W124 turbo diesel wagon but anything beyond that is painful to contemplate. I like the 124 best of all '80s Mercedes body styles, with the 201 in second and the 126 a distant third---it's always looked to me like a 201 stretch limo. But I agree that the older ones are better looking as a rule. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
That is scary --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!! Yes, but you don't have no-fault insurance in Okieland. That being said, no-fault is going away later this year, courtesy of our legislature. However, we've been warned that we should not expect a significant change in our insurance costs. Just another opportunity for the insurance companies to increase their profits and bone us in the butts in the process. Not to mention that the uninsured motorist problem will still be significant down here until the state starts enforcing the laws. Casual estimates suggest that over 40% of the drivers on Florida roads are uninsured. Dan --- Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I pay about $1k a year to insure 6 vehicles, fyi --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!! Same thing in Florida. Car insurance costs are prohibitive when it comes to owning multiple vehicles. For what I pay for one I could insure three in Wisconsin. Dan --- Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:44:59 -0500, you wrote: Amen I found out long ago I could own 2-3 old cars for less than the price of a new one. That way a maintenance issue is not a big deal. Just get on the other horse and ride. Fix the other one when its convenient. The problem in my state (Connecticut) is that the fixed costs (Taxes Insurance) are so high that I cannot afford to have several casual vehicles. This is a good thing, I would morph into Kalib/East. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
I used to think the same until I drove one. The 126 body has to be the greatest road car, ever. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 7/27/07 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!! I gotta say that I find the 126 body style to be a real turn-off. I could never own one of these. Timeless, maybe, but also blimp-like. On 7/27/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I paid under 10k after the immediate repairs, for my SDL in 1999 and drove it 7 years + and 230k miles. I coulda bought a used frod or other detroit iron for the money, or a riceburner. I doubt any would have lasted as long, and for those 7 years, I was driving an S class Mercedes Benz, and quite possibly one of the best looking, timeless cars ever made. Not to mention the safety of a MB. A really good SDL is still worth 10k to someone who puts on lots of miles. When I got my first 190Dc, I found the MB diesel was the lowest cost/mile to operate of anything available. The cost/mile has gone up dramatically, but the MB Diesel cost/mile still holds up pretty well if you buy used and drive lotsa miles. Gassers cost more than diesels, but MB gassers cost/mile can still hold up pretty well compared to other gassers. Loren I was at my Indy's yesterday checking on a couple of cars he had for sale. I saw a 1992 300D 2.5 (looked just like OK Don's car). I told him I was looking for one of those and he said he just sold it. Here's the crazy part. He sold it for $11,000 (that is not a typo -more than $10,000). The car was very nice and it only had 89,000 miles. But, that still seems crazy. I'm not a bit surprised. I paid $9,000 for my 300SDL. I goy 5 very good years out of it and about 100Kmi. My budget at the time was $10,000 for a commuter. What were my options? A 3 year old Toyota? The person who bought this one, from a good Indy will probably get similar results. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Brake line removal acrobatics
Still working on the blown out rear brake line on my 300SD. As a precaution I looked over the lines on my other vehicles and they look as good as new, even the 240D!!! Continues to confirm my suspicions that the SD was not the best looked after or maintained vehicle. Does anybody out there have any experience removing brake lines from these vehicles w/out bending or otherwise disfiguring the lines? I've removed all of the brackets that support the rear brake lines and fuel lines (the acrobatics part). Disconnected the line at the M/C and at the rear. The line is hanging free. I am now looking for the magic way to manoeuver the vehicle and brake line in order to remove the line. Thanks, Fred Johnson 1977 240D 1983 300SD 1991 A/R 164L 1996 Civic Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fave body style
For me, I think I'd put a 126 with a 560 in it at the top of my list. The 124 is ok, but I prefer the 123, both in sedan and wagon. I liked the 140 series, but didn't like the model that followed it at all? What's it called? However the current S550 (don't know the body style of that one either) has really grown on me. It also seems to be the model that has pushed mercedes back near the top with regards to quality and owner satisfaction. Ed 300E On 27/07/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/27/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I basically don't like the looks of most any Mercedes body style after 1987. I might be persuaded to upgrade to a W124 turbo diesel wagon but anything beyond that is painful to contemplate. I like the 124 best of all '80s Mercedes body styles, with the 201 in second and the 126 a distant third---it's always looked to me like a 201 stretch limo. But I agree that the older ones are better looking as a rule. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Two-stroke oil
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:17:21 -0400, you wrote: What's special about two stroke oil? Can I just dilute regular motor oil in the gasoline? Back in the old days. When I had my 2 stroke Saab96, (That would be a real Saab with 3 cylinders and a window shad controlled from the driver's seat to adjust airflow over the radiator), I used to add 1 qt of 30wt nondetergant oil (Being a student, I preferred WT Grant's brand} to 8 gallons of gas. The low fuel light came on at exactly 8 gallons. Tin worm ate that car but the left rear fender would never rust as that was where fuel/oil went in. More coming, I'm on a rant: Drive it 100 miles at 80mph, slow down to go thru a small town, plug(s) would foul. Drive like a madman and it might clear. I kept a cigar box of plugs that I would sandblast to clean. 4spd on the column, I was the only one in the family that used enough medication to figure out how to drive it. Every one else insisted on touching the fuel pedal when starting, fouled all plugs, must change them Those were the days, happy moose day -- Pete Arnold Your mileage may vary. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. Early withdrawal may result in interest penalty. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, Offer invalid where prohibited by law. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
I'm with you, what looks okay in the 124 and 201 is too big in the 126. I'd love to get a 116 300SD but they seem to be rare compared to the 126. -Curt Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:27:34 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I gotta say that I find the 126 body style to be a real turn-off. I could never own one of these. Timeless, maybe, but also blimp-like. - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Post Falls SL
http://spokane.craigslist.org/car/379797980.html I liked the part about pouring gas into the carb. I notice it has that scabbed on trunk brakelight that was '86 on. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fixed Costs (taxes insurance, etc.) [wasRe: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!]
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:21:41 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found out long ago I could own 2-3 old cars for less than the price of a new one. That way a maintenance issue is not a big deal. Just get on the other horse and ride. Fix the other one when its convenient. The problem in my state (Connecticut) is that the fixed costs (Taxes Insurance) are so high that I cannot afford to have several casual vehicles. Same thing in Florida. Car insurance costs are prohibitive when it comes to owning multiple vehicles. For what I pay for one I could insure three in Wisconsin. I pay about $1k a year to insure 6 vehicles, fyi [Kaleb in Oklahoma] Yes, but you don't have no-fault insurance in Okieland. [like we do here in Florida] That being said, no-fault is going away later this year, courtesy of our legislature. However, we've been warned that we should not expect a significant change in our insurance costs. So how do the costs vary over the US? We have input that Connecticut and Florida are expensive. $1k/year for six vehicles in Oklahoma implies $167 per vehicle, but may not hold for only one or two vehicles (quantity discount). Here in New Mexico we pay, 1989 CHEVROLET SPORTVAN $122.94 for 6 months 1982 MERCEDES 240D $124.66 for 6 months with about $25 discount per vehicle for multiple vehicles. Note we have no collision or comprehensive on either vehicle. So our total is $495 for a year. Taxes aren't too bad, but I don't remember what they are. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cost per mile
To determine the true ownership cost you have to also figure in the residual value. What's your Sunbird worth now? On 7/27/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you factor in depreciate and everything, the cheapest car I've ever owned was a Pontiac Sunbird four banger. I still have it. Paid 15,200 new out the door, taxes and all. Over 200,000 kms and still going. Is it a benz, well no. Mileage, goes forever on a tank of cheap gas, when things go wrong, which they very seldom do, parts cost nothing. I did the whole front brake job in 45 minutes, new rotors, pads, pins, fluid everthing. Gave they guy at the parts counter $100 and got change back!! the exhaust system is stainless and all original!! If the car is worth nothing now, it cost just over $1200 to own. If the benz proves to be half as reliable, even at a higher cost to fix, I'll be very happy. Ed 300E On 27/07/07, Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I drove a 92 VW Jetta D for a year and 30k miles. 43 mpg. But I quickly found that the noise drove me nuts at 75 mph, so I upgraded to a 300SD. I expected to pay more per mile, but I was wrong. While the VW was relatively trouble-free for me, I sold it to my brother who lusted after its mileage and the following 38 k miles have cost him dearly in maintenance and repairs--and he's a diesel mechanic! The thing was very hard to work on and cheaply made. The aluminum heads ALWAYS warp and crack, and lots of other little things disintegrate. On the other hand, the more complicated, but much better built and vastly easier to work on 300SD has been less expensive per mile, even considering my 26 mpg overall average. My only complaint with it is that I keep having to tell people that I don't own it because I'm rich, which I'm far from, but because I'm cheap. The driving experience, safety, etc. are all gravy. Even tho I've only driven it 3k miles this year, I can't bear to sell it. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cost per mile
I got over 100k miles out of my $3500 300SD, well so far. I have so far gotten 100k miles out of my 420SEL which is the daily driver. My wife has gotten 10k miles out of a $7500 560SEL. The 300SD has cost the least to repair and I have had it for 10 years, I think I have spent more on tires than parts. The 300SD needs some attention now and the wife is wanting it gone, however with gas prices I am considering a restoration. The 420SEL has had most all the moving parts replaced, trans rebuild, engine swap, head replacement, etc, etc. However everything works perfect now. The 560SEL has had the engine removed and resealed, and the transmission rebuilt at same time. I fear the 560SEL will be a very expensive Mercedes the way it is going, however everything is fixed on it but the slight miss at idle, so we will see if it can make it another 100k miles with out problems. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cost per mile To determine the true ownership cost you have to also figure in the residual value. What's your Sunbird worth now? On 7/27/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you factor in depreciate and everything, the cheapest car I've ever owned was a Pontiac Sunbird four banger. I still have it. Paid 15,200 new out the door, taxes and all. Over 200,000 kms and still going. Is it a benz, well no. Mileage, goes forever on a tank of cheap gas, when things go wrong, which they very seldom do, parts cost nothing. I did the whole front brake job in 45 minutes, new rotors, pads, pins, fluid everthing. Gave they guy at the parts counter $100 and got change back!! the exhaust system is stainless and all original!! If the car is worth nothing now, it cost just over $1200 to own. If the benz proves to be half as reliable, even at a higher cost to fix, I'll be very happy. Ed 300E On 27/07/07, Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I drove a 92 VW Jetta D for a year and 30k miles. 43 mpg. But I quickly found that the noise drove me nuts at 75 mph, so I upgraded to a 300SD. I expected to pay more per mile, but I was wrong. While the VW was relatively trouble-free for me, I sold it to my brother who lusted after its mileage and the following 38 k miles have cost him dearly in maintenance and repairs--and he's a diesel mechanic! The thing was very hard to work on and cheaply made. The aluminum heads ALWAYS warp and crack, and lots of other little things disintegrate. On the other hand, the more complicated, but much better built and vastly easier to work on 300SD has been less expensive per mile, even considering my 26 mpg overall average. My only complaint with it is that I keep having to tell people that I don't own it because I'm rich, which I'm far from, but because I'm cheap. The driving experience, safety, etc. are all gravy. Even tho I've only driven it 3k miles this year, I can't bear to sell it. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van
It appears that the dragon boat club is ready to get a mobile transport unit (MTU) to haul gear and boats to the local races. Meanwhile, I happened to spot 2 of these Frito Lay trucks for sale on CL for around 4K, both with fresh 4BT engines. They seem low tech and reliable with the mechanical injection and the old Turbo 400 tranny (not electronically controlled). Hopefully, one of the two trucks will work for them. KEvin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saab 900
I fall closer to Curt's feeling on haggling. Only I don't just feel cheap, I feel for the seller. I don't like taking money out of people's pockets. I am still bitter that I had to let my 900 go for $300. People are brutal. Yes, I know it's war out there and all that. Forgive me if I seem bitter right now, but we just got bent over on the sale of our house. Business is business, but I personally do not feel right putting my financial gain above compassion for others. Brian Curt wrote: I wish I had the haggling gene, I always just feel cheap. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
Without question, I would agree. The W126 chassis, especially the long wheelbase model, is by far the best MB there ever was, especially if it has a gas motor. I have never driven a 560, but I can imagine that it can snap necks with ease... Dan --- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to think the same until I drove one. The 126 body has to be the greatest road car, ever. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 7/27/07 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!! I gotta say that I find the 126 body style to be a real turn-off. I could never own one of these. Timeless, maybe, but also blimp-like. On 7/27/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I paid under 10k after the immediate repairs, for my SDL in 1999 and drove it 7 years + and 230k miles. I coulda bought a used frod or other detroit iron for the money, or a riceburner. I doubt any would have lasted as long, and for those 7 years, I was driving an S class Mercedes Benz, and quite possibly one of the best looking, timeless cars ever made. Not to mention the safety of a MB. A really good SDL is still worth 10k to someone who puts on lots of miles. When I got my first 190Dc, I found the MB diesel was the lowest cost/mile to operate of anything available. The cost/mile has gone up dramatically, but the MB Diesel cost/mile still holds up pretty well if you buy used and drive lotsa miles. Gassers cost more than diesels, but MB gassers cost/mile can still hold up pretty well compared to other gassers. Loren I was at my Indy's yesterday checking on a couple of cars he had for sale. I saw a 1992 300D 2.5 (looked just like OK Don's car). I told him I was looking for one of those and he said he just sold it. Here's the crazy part. He sold it for $11,000 (that is not a typo -more than $10,000). The car was very nice and it only had 89,000 miles. But, that still seems crazy. I'm not a bit surprised. I paid $9,000 for my 300SDL. I goy 5 very good years out of it and about 100Kmi. My budget at the time was $10,000 for a commuter. What were my options? A 3 year old Toyota? The person who bought this one, from a good Indy will probably get similar results. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixed Costs (taxes insurance, etc.) [wasRe: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!]
I don't have exact numbers, but late model cars run around $1000 - $1200/year with full coverage. That includes 25+ years with State Farm, and every discount imaginable that they offer. And even if it's an older car, the cost is not significantly less - the major expense is the no-fault (uninsured motorist) part that is pretty much the same across the board. Dan Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
From what I've heard, the 500SEL euro is the head-snap model. I was drooling over one a few years ago. Price was right, $1000 plus shipping, with hydraulic rear suspension. The other 126 cars are head-turners, except to andrew. At 03:08 PM 7/27/2007, you wrote: Without question, I would agree. The W126 chassis, especially the long wheelbase model, is by far the best MB there ever was, especially if it has a gas motor. I have never driven a 560, but I can imagine that it can snap necks with ease... Dan --- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to think the same until I drove one. The 126 body has to be the greatest road car, ever. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 7/27/07 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!! I gotta say that I find the 126 body style to be a real turn-off. I could never own one of these. Timeless, maybe, but also blimp-like. On 7/27/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I paid under 10k after the immediate repairs, for my SDL in 1999 and drove it 7 years + and 230k miles. I coulda bought a used frod or other detroit iron for the money, or a riceburner. I doubt any would have lasted as long, and for those 7 years, I was driving an S class Mercedes Benz, and quite possibly one of the best looking, timeless cars ever made. Not to mention the safety of a MB. A really good SDL is still worth 10k to someone who puts on lots of miles. When I got my first 190Dc, I found the MB diesel was the lowest cost/mile to operate of anything available. The cost/mile has gone up dramatically, but the MB Diesel cost/mile still holds up pretty well if you buy used and drive lotsa miles. Gassers cost more than diesels, but MB gassers cost/mile can still hold up pretty well compared to other gassers. Loren I was at my Indy's yesterday checking on a couple of cars he had for sale. I saw a 1992 300D 2.5 (looked just like OK Don's car). I told him I was looking for one of those and he said he just sold it. Here's the crazy part. He sold it for $11,000 (that is not a typo -more than $10,000). The car was very nice and it only had 89,000 miles. But, that still seems crazy. I'm not a bit surprised. I paid $9,000 for my 300SDL. I goy 5 very good years out of it and about 100Kmi. My budget at the time was $10,000 for a commuter. What were my options? A 3 year old Toyota? The person who bought this one, from a good Indy will probably get similar results. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:
Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
the 560 is the ultimate car --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry,this thing is going to end cheap!! Without question, I would agree. The W126 chassis, especially the long wheelbase model, is by far the best MB there ever was, especially if it has a gas motor. I have never driven a 560, but I can imagine that it can snap necks with ease... Dan --- Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to think the same until I drove one. The 126 body has to be the greatest road car, ever. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 7/27/07 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!! I gotta say that I find the 126 body style to be a real turn-off. I could never own one of these. Timeless, maybe, but also blimp-like. On 7/27/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I paid under 10k after the immediate repairs, for my SDL in 1999 and drove it 7 years + and 230k miles. I coulda bought a used frod or other detroit iron for the money, or a riceburner. I doubt any would have lasted as long, and for those 7 years, I was driving an S class Mercedes Benz, and quite possibly one of the best looking, timeless cars ever made. Not to mention the safety of a MB. A really good SDL is still worth 10k to someone who puts on lots of miles. When I got my first 190Dc, I found the MB diesel was the lowest cost/mile to operate of anything available. The cost/mile has gone up dramatically, but the MB Diesel cost/mile still holds up pretty well if you buy used and drive lotsa miles. Gassers cost more than diesels, but MB gassers cost/mile can still hold up pretty well compared to other gassers. Loren I was at my Indy's yesterday checking on a couple of cars he had for sale. I saw a 1992 300D 2.5 (looked just like OK Don's car). I told him I was looking for one of those and he said he just sold it. Here's the crazy part. He sold it for $11,000 (that is not a typo -more than $10,000). The car was very nice and it only had 89,000 miles. But, that still seems crazy. I'm not a bit surprised. I paid $9,000 for my 300SDL. I goy 5 very good years out of it and about 100Kmi. My budget at the time was $10,000 for a commuter. What were my options? A 3 year old Toyota? The person who bought this one, from a good Indy will probably get similar results. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery
Re: [MBZ] Cost per mile
I arrived at that number by giving the Bird a market value of $0 today Ed 300E On 27/07/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To determine the true ownership cost you have to also figure in the residual value. What's your Sunbird worth now? On 7/27/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you factor in depreciate and everything, the cheapest car I've ever owned was a Pontiac Sunbird four banger. I still have it. Paid 15,200 new out the door, taxes and all. Over 200,000 kms and still going. Is it a benz, well no. Mileage, goes forever on a tank of cheap gas, when things go wrong, which they very seldom do, parts cost nothing. I did the whole front brake job in 45 minutes, new rotors, pads, pins, fluid everthing. Gave they guy at the parts counter $100 and got change back!! the exhaust system is stainless and all original!! If the car is worth nothing now, it cost just over $1200 to own. If the benz proves to be half as reliable, even at a higher cost to fix, I'll be very happy. Ed 300E On 27/07/07, Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I drove a 92 VW Jetta D for a year and 30k miles. 43 mpg. But I quickly found that the noise drove me nuts at 75 mph, so I upgraded to a 300SD. I expected to pay more per mile, but I was wrong. While the VW was relatively trouble-free for me, I sold it to my brother who lusted after its mileage and the following 38 k miles have cost him dearly in maintenance and repairs--and he's a diesel mechanic! The thing was very hard to work on and cheaply made. The aluminum heads ALWAYS warp and crack, and lots of other little things disintegrate. On the other hand, the more complicated, but much better built and vastly easier to work on 300SD has been less expensive per mile, even considering my 26 mpg overall average. My only complaint with it is that I keep having to tell people that I don't own it because I'm rich, which I'm far from, but because I'm cheap. The driving experience, safety, etc. are all gravy. Even tho I've only driven it 3k miles this year, I can't bear to sell it. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saab 900
That said the kid selling the Saab yesterday is replacing it with a new BMW. I didn't so much feel for him financially but I did kind of feel cheap... -Curt Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:16:17 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Saab 900 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I fall closer to Curt's feeling on haggling. Only I don't just feel cheap, I feel for the seller. I don't like taking money out of people's pockets. I am still bitter that I had to let my 900 go for $300. People are brutal. Yes, I know it's war out there and all that. Forgive me if I seem bitter right now, but we just got bent over on the sale of our house. Business is business, but I personally do not feel right putting my financial gain above compassion for others. Brian Curt wrote: I wish I had the haggling gene, I always just feel cheap. - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixed Costs (taxes insurance, etc.)
Age plays into this too. I'm 31, and for 2 motorcycles a 190D and pickup I pay something around $2000 a year. MA is regulated too... Taxes on all four are probably around $250 a year. -Curt Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:53:02 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Fixed Costs (taxes insurance, etc.) [wasRe: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:21:41 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found out long ago I could own 2-3 old cars for less than the price of a new one. That way a maintenance issue is not a big deal. Just get on the other horse and ride. Fix the other one when its convenient. The problem in my state (Connecticut) is that the fixed costs (Taxes Insurance) are so high that I cannot afford to have several casual vehicles. Same thing in Florida. Car insurance costs are prohibitive when it comes to owning multiple vehicles. For what I pay for one I could insure three in Wisconsin. I pay about $1k a year to insure 6 vehicles, fyi [Kaleb in Oklahoma] Yes, but you don't have no-fault insurance in Okieland. [like we do here in Florida] That being said, no-fault is going away later this year, courtesy of our legislature. However, we've been warned that we should not expect a significant change in our insurance costs. So how do the costs vary over the US? We have input that Connecticut and Florida are expensive. $1k/year for six vehicles in Oklahoma implies $167 per vehicle, but may not hold for only one or two vehicles (quantity discount). Here in New Mexico we pay, 1989 CHEVROLET SPORTVAN $122.94 for 6 months 1982 MERCEDES 240D $124.66 for 6 months with about $25 discount per vehicle for multiple vehicles. Note we have no collision or comprehensive on either vehicle. So our total is $495 for a year. Taxes aren't too bad, but I don't remember what they are. Craig - Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixed Costs (taxes insurance, etc.) [wasRe: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!]
Hawaii in the late 80s/early 90s was 1000-1200 per year for insurance. Same no-fault crap. IA rips us 5% Sales (use) tax on new or used cars IA insurance is about 800-1000 per car, per year, with multi-car discounts. It does NOT go down when you have more cars than drivers. We have to pay for the rising numbers of wetbacks that cause wrecks and have no insurance. They also steal vehicles and that contributes to the rates also At 03:06 PM 7/27/2007, you wrote: I don't have exact numbers, but late model cars run around $1000 - $1200/year with full coverage. That includes 25+ years with State Farm, and every discount imaginable that they offer. And even if it's an older car, the cost is not significantly less - the major expense is the no-fault (uninsured motorist) part that is pretty much the same across the board. Dan Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
On 7/27/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I've heard, the 500SEL euro is the head-snap model. I was drooling over one a few years ago. Price was right, $1000 plus shipping Shipping from Germany? Bet it would be a trainwreck. Run hard and put away wet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van
Kevin Kraly wrote: It appears that the dragon boat club is ready to get a mobile transport unit (MTU) to haul gear and boats to the local races. Meanwhile, I happened to spot 2 of these Frito Lay trucks for sale on CL for around 4K, both with fresh 4BT engines. 4BT/TH400 Frito trucks (usually Chevy/Grumann) can be had as low as $3k around here, but would be over $4k with recent replacement engines. MPG probably nothing to get excited about, IIRC those things are doing way over 2000 rpm at freeway speeds, might not even be able to go over 70 because of the governor. See if you can get one with an inline pump instead of rotary. Probably can't get much over 150hp out of it unless it's intercooled. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fave body style
That is why I have lots of cars. When the mood strikes, I can go back and forth. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fave body style My vote goes out for the W116 SD. I haven't driven my '87 wagon much, but I've driven the 92 300D 2.5T much more, and they're the same body style, etc. The 300D is a better car in every way over the W116. Its faster, smoother, better driving and handling, A/C that actually keeps up in MS, LOVES the highway, etc. All that being said, I still miss driving my '79 300SD. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van
On 7/27/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that the dragon boat club is ready to get a mobile transport unit (MTU) to haul gear and boats to the local races. Meanwhile, I happened to spot 2 of these Frito Lay trucks for sale on CL for around 4K, both with fresh 4BT engines. Sounds like a great deal. I have seen remanufactured 4BT engines for $5K alone. Buy the engine and get the van for free! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cost/mile was: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
no, shipping from CA, East of LA. Of course for that price, it needed tires and work. At 03:46 PM 7/27/2007, you wrote: On 7/27/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I've heard, the 500SEL euro is the head-snap model. I was drooling over one a few years ago. Price was right, $1000 plus shipping Shipping from Germany? Bet it would be a trainwreck. Run hard and put away wet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cost per mile
Please keep me updated on running both your 420 and 560 as I'm interested in getting one or the other. From most people that I've talked to, it's either, great car needing nothing for 100k of driving, or a real horror story where everything that can go wrong with a car, will. :-) Any tips to offer on either of the gassers, other than to make sure the trannies are good? Thanks, Ed 300E On 27/07/07, Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got over 100k miles out of my $3500 300SD, well so far. I have so far gotten 100k miles out of my 420SEL which is the daily driver. My wife has gotten 10k miles out of a $7500 560SEL. The 300SD has cost the least to repair and I have had it for 10 years, I think I have spent more on tires than parts. The 300SD needs some attention now and the wife is wanting it gone, however with gas prices I am considering a restoration. The 420SEL has had most all the moving parts replaced, trans rebuild, engine swap, head replacement, etc, etc. However everything works perfect now. The 560SEL has had the engine removed and resealed, and the transmission rebuilt at same time. I fear the 560SEL will be a very expensive Mercedes the way it is going, however everything is fixed on it but the slight miss at idle, so we will see if it can make it another 100k miles with out problems. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cost per mile To determine the true ownership cost you have to also figure in the residual value. What's your Sunbird worth now? On 7/27/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you factor in depreciate and everything, the cheapest car I've ever owned was a Pontiac Sunbird four banger. I still have it. Paid 15,200 new out the door, taxes and all. Over 200,000 kms and still going. Is it a benz, well no. Mileage, goes forever on a tank of cheap gas, when things go wrong, which they very seldom do, parts cost nothing. I did the whole front brake job in 45 minutes, new rotors, pads, pins, fluid everthing. Gave they guy at the parts counter $100 and got change back!! the exhaust system is stainless and all original!! If the car is worth nothing now, it cost just over $1200 to own. If the benz proves to be half as reliable, even at a higher cost to fix, I'll be very happy. Ed 300E On 27/07/07, Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I drove a 92 VW Jetta D for a year and 30k miles. 43 mpg. But I quickly found that the noise drove me nuts at 75 mph, so I upgraded to a 300SD. I expected to pay more per mile, but I was wrong. While the VW was relatively trouble-free for me, I sold it to my brother who lusted after its mileage and the following 38 k miles have cost him dearly in maintenance and repairs--and he's a diesel mechanic! The thing was very hard to work on and cheaply made. The aluminum heads ALWAYS warp and crack, and lots of other little things disintegrate. On the other hand, the more complicated, but much better built and vastly easier to work on 300SD has been less expensive per mile, even considering my 26 mpg overall average. My only complaint with it is that I keep having to tell people that I don't own it because I'm rich, which I'm far from, but because I'm cheap. The driving experience, safety, etc. are all gravy. Even tho I've only driven it 3k miles this year, I can't bear to sell it. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Cost per mile
Just depends on how they were maintained. If it was run into the ground, it will be expensive. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cost per mile Please keep me updated on running both your 420 and 560 as I'm interested in getting one or the other. From most people that I've talked to, it's either, great car needing nothing for 100k of driving, or a real horror story where everything that can go wrong with a car, will. :-) Any tips to offer on either of the gassers, other than to make sure the trannies are good? Thanks, Ed 300E On 27/07/07, Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got over 100k miles out of my $3500 300SD, well so far. I have so far gotten 100k miles out of my 420SEL which is the daily driver. My wife has gotten 10k miles out of a $7500 560SEL. The 300SD has cost the least to repair and I have had it for 10 years, I think I have spent more on tires than parts. The 300SD needs some attention now and the wife is wanting it gone, however with gas prices I am considering a restoration. The 420SEL has had most all the moving parts replaced, trans rebuild, engine swap, head replacement, etc, etc. However everything works perfect now. The 560SEL has had the engine removed and resealed, and the transmission rebuilt at same time. I fear the 560SEL will be a very expensive Mercedes the way it is going, however everything is fixed on it but the slight miss at idle, so we will see if it can make it another 100k miles with out problems. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 3:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cost per mile To determine the true ownership cost you have to also figure in the residual value. What's your Sunbird worth now? On 7/27/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you factor in depreciate and everything, the cheapest car I've ever owned was a Pontiac Sunbird four banger. I still have it. Paid 15,200 new out the door, taxes and all. Over 200,000 kms and still going. Is it a benz, well no. Mileage, goes forever on a tank of cheap gas, when things go wrong, which they very seldom do, parts cost nothing. I did the whole front brake job in 45 minutes, new rotors, pads, pins, fluid everthing. Gave they guy at the parts counter $100 and got change back!! the exhaust system is stainless and all original!! If the car is worth nothing now, it cost just over $1200 to own. If the benz proves to be half as reliable, even at a higher cost to fix, I'll be very happy. Ed 300E On 27/07/07, Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I drove a 92 VW Jetta D for a year and 30k miles. 43 mpg. But I quickly found that the noise drove me nuts at 75 mph, so I upgraded to a 300SD. I expected to pay more per mile, but I was wrong. While the VW was relatively trouble-free for me, I sold it to my brother who lusted after its mileage and the following 38 k miles have cost him dearly in maintenance and repairs--and he's a diesel mechanic! The thing was very hard to work on and cheaply made. The aluminum heads ALWAYS warp and crack, and lots of other little things disintegrate. On the other hand, the more complicated, but much better built and vastly easier to work on 300SD has been less expensive per mile, even considering my 26 mpg overall average. My only complaint with it is that I keep having to tell people that I don't own it because I'm rich, which I'm far from, but because I'm cheap. The driving experience, safety, etc. are all gravy. Even tho I've only driven it 3k miles this year, I can't bear to sell it. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts
Re: [MBZ] Fave body style
My vote goes out for the W116 SD. I haven't driven my '87 wagon much, but I've driven the 92 300D 2.5T much more, and they're the same body style, etc. The 300D is a better car in every way over the W116. Its faster, smoother, better driving and handling, A/C that actually keeps up in MS, LOVES the highway, etc. All that being said, I still miss driving my '79 300SD. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
Peter T. Arnold wrote: The problem in my state (Connecticut) is that the fixed costs (Taxes Insurance) are so high that I cannot afford to have several casual vehicles. I only insure one at a time. Call the insurance agent when I want to switch. Used to have only one plate, but a cop sitting behind me at a stop sign got bored and ran my plate, didn't think my car looked like a white Plymouth Horizon and pulled me over. Wrote the ticket as a misdemeanor, not a civil infraction. Had to take time off from work for a pre-trial conference, in which the persecuting attorney opened with in light of your record, this charge is entirely unwarranted. So you'll be dismissing with prejudice? No, but I'll allow you to accept responsibility for a $76 civil infraction. Sold. The 1995 Taurus plate runs $70 a year, and I drove it for four years before I got that ticket, so I came out OK. (Horizon is $32 a year, 1977 Saab also in the low $30 range, 3.2-16v is $134. I buy plates for the deceased Saab and then pay $12 to transfer them to the 190E) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube
Tom Hargrave wrote: Good Dominos franchises have drop safes with 15 minute delay timers and either a 2 key safe for twice a week Wells Fargo pickup or police escort to the bank. I left Domino's in 1990, decided it was better to take 21 hours of school and get it over quicker with borrowed money. At the time, we had the timelock safe, no longer used the little combo safe in the floor. At the end of the night, we'd total up the cash, reconcile it to invoices, and two people in two separate cars drove it to the night drop at the bank. I suppose if the guy with the money got robbed, the guy following him could drive away safely. They wouldn't let any of us carry weapons. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
Thing is here, the tags are not expensive, but you have to insure the vehicle before you can get a tag on it. Therefor, I have one tag that I can switch between several MB's. They are all MB;s so they really dont know the difference unless they decide to check the VIN. Never had a problem (knock on wood). If it ever did happen I would just say, gee ocifer, I have so many cars I must have got the plates mixed up. No, Im not going to put a chevy plate on my MB though. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!! Peter T. Arnold wrote: The problem in my state (Connecticut) is that the fixed costs (Taxes Insurance) are so high that I cannot afford to have several casual vehicles. I only insure one at a time. Call the insurance agent when I want to switch. Used to have only one plate, but a cop sitting behind me at a stop sign got bored and ran my plate, didn't think my car looked like a white Plymouth Horizon and pulled me over. Wrote the ticket as a misdemeanor, not a civil infraction. Had to take time off from work for a pre-trial conference, in which the persecuting attorney opened with in light of your record, this charge is entirely unwarranted. So you'll be dismissing with prejudice? No, but I'll allow you to accept responsibility for a $76 civil infraction. Sold. The 1995 Taurus plate runs $70 a year, and I drove it for four years before I got that ticket, so I came out OK. (Horizon is $32 a year, 1977 Saab also in the low $30 range, 3.2-16v is $134. I buy plates for the deceased Saab and then pay $12 to transfer them to the 190E) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fave body style
If I had to pick my absolute favorite Mercedes body style, I vote for the W115 chassis. I haven't owned one yet, but that will change once I find a '72 220D or a '76 300D. I remember a lister saying that it took 4 hours to rr the alternator due to the York compressor brackets being in the way since they had to be removed. The good thing about the '72 220D is that it shouldn't have this problem since many came w/o a/c. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van
See if you can get one with an inline pump instead of rotary. Would it be easy to distinguish between the two by the orientation of the injector lines in a circle rather than in-line like those on my 300SD? Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300Sd 267Kmio, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van
remanufactured 4BT engines for $5K alone. WOW! That's quite a chunk of change! Of course, this is biodiesel/vegoil heaven, so anything goes. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube
The security system you outlined was typical of 1990. The idea was that whomever intended to rob the man with the money would think twice when he saw the second car follow. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube Tom Hargrave wrote: Good Dominos franchises have drop safes with 15 minute delay timers and either a 2 key safe for twice a week Wells Fargo pickup or police escort to the bank. I left Domino's in 1990, decided it was better to take 21 hours of school and get it over quicker with borrowed money. At the time, we had the timelock safe, no longer used the little combo safe in the floor. At the end of the night, we'd total up the cash, reconcile it to invoices, and two people in two separate cars drove it to the night drop at the bank. I suppose if the guy with the money got robbed, the guy following him could drive away safely. They wouldn't let any of us carry weapons. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ignition Cylinder Lube
Wow, I'm glad you wrote this. I might well have shot some graphite into the door locks on my 190D otherwise. Brian On 7/27/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:09:19 -0400 Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always heard never to lubricate a lock that is working, and only use dry graphite powder if necessary. Do not use graphite on cars equipped with a factory alarm system, it will ruin the electric switch in the lock. Any kind of oil or grease will only speed the accumulation of dirt in the mechanism. And you certainly don't need dirt. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van
What is wrong with the rotary pump? FWIW the rotarty 4BT pump is the hot ticket when it comes to converting the VW TDI to a non-electronic pump. -Zach --- Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See if you can get one with an inline pump instead of rotary. Probably can't get much over 150hp out of it unless it's intercooled. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] anyone want a CHEAP 240D Fixer?
For those of you who may be interested in W115 Diesels, I've written about this car a time or two along with the '72 220D in which I've been interested. I just got off the phone with the owner. He was originally asking $650 for the '72 220D and $750 for the '74 240D. someone offered him $500 for both of them but couldn't get them outta there until Sunday. Wifey wants them gone ASAP! I can get them for the $500 tonight if I want them, but the problem is that i don't have a place to park *BOTH* of them. The 220D needs the radiator out of the 240D, but I would be willing to make someone a deal on the rest of it which is supposed to be in good condition. If anyone is looking for W115 240D parts, I will have a pretty good idea of what's there as well as condition. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anyone want a CHEAP 240D Fixer?
On 7/27/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who may be interested in W115 Diesels, I've written about this car a time or two along with the '72 220D in which I've been interested. I just got off the phone with the owner. He was originally asking $650 for the '72 220D and $750 for the '74 240D. someone offered him $500 for both of them but couldn't get them outta there until Sunday. Wifey wants them gone ASAP! I can get them for the $500 tonight if I want them, but the problem is that i don't have a place to park *BOTH* of them. The 220D needs the radiator out of the 240D, but I would be willing to make someone a deal on the rest of it which is supposed to be in good condition. If anyone is looking for W115 240D parts, I will have a pretty good idea of what's there as well as condition. Kevin, is the 240D auto or stick? I'd like to know as soon as you have an idea of condition---is it worth it as a beater/fixer or strictly for parts? Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van
Yup. The rotary pump (Roosamaster, etc.) looks like a distributor, only with pipes in place of wires. An inline pump is just that, and what you're accustomed to in your MB diesel(s). Dan (former 4BT 3.9 and 6BT Cummins guy) --- Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See if you can get one with an inline pump instead of rotary. Would it be easy to distinguish between the two by the orientation of the injector lines in a circle rather than in-line like those on my 300SD? Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300Sd 267Kmio, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anyone want a CHEAP 240D Fixer?
Repeat after me. There is no such thing as a cheap Mercedes.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] anyone want a CHEAP 240D Fixer? For those of you who may be interested in W115 Diesels, I've written about this car a time or two along with the '72 220D in which I've been interested. I just got off the phone with the owner. He was originally asking $650 for the '72 220D and $750 for the '74 240D. someone offered him $500 for both of them but couldn't get them outta there until Sunday. Wifey wants them gone ASAP! I can get them for the $500 tonight if I want them, but the problem is that i don't have a place to park *BOTH* of them. The 220D needs the radiator out of the 240D, but I would be willing to make someone a deal on the rest of it which is supposed to be in good condition. If anyone is looking for W115 240D parts, I will have a pretty good idea of what's there as well as condition. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
And that's the problem in Florida. You must have proof of insurance to title a car here. Damned transients will buy a beater, go to the cheapo insurance place where you pay by the month, get a policy, get the tags, then drop or stop paying the policy. The state supposedly spot checks registrations, but I've never seen any evidence that they do. Had a good friend get T-boned in an intersection a few weeks ago by one of the fine folks described above. Totaled his Honda CRV, messed him up mildy for a week. EIGHT witnesses at the scene said she ran the light (she did) yet she is trying to sue him. And yes, she had no insurance and her tags were expired. She should be in jail for a little while or have her license suspended (although I am sure she would drive anyway.) This really ticks me off. Dan Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
In california, they suspend your registration if the car isn't on insurance, unless you file an affidavit of non use with the state. Which reminds me, I need to do that for a car I just pulled off the road, and it's too far away from its renewal time to get non-opped. On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 03:49:21PM -0700, LWB250 wrote: And that's the problem in Florida. You must have proof of insurance to title a car here. Damned transients will buy a beater, go to the cheapo insurance place where you pay by the month, get a policy, get the tags, then drop or stop paying the policy. The state supposedly spot checks registrations, but I've never seen any evidence that they do. Had a good friend get T-boned in an intersection a few weeks ago by one of the fine folks described above. Totaled his Honda CRV, messed him up mildy for a week. EIGHT witnesses at the scene said she ran the light (she did) yet she is trying to sue him. And yes, she had no insurance and her tags were expired. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
That was one thing that was nice in Wisconsin - you could take a car off the road for a period of time and suspend the registration and insurance. I used to do this with my restored 1971 VW Beetle, as I only drove it in the warmer months. Dan --- Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In california, they suspend your registration if the car isn't on insurance, unless you file an affidavit of non use with the state. Which reminds me, I need to do that for a car I just pulled off the road, and it's too far away from its renewal time to get non-opped. On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 03:49:21PM -0700, LWB250 wrote: And that's the problem in Florida. You must have proof of insurance to title a car here. Damned transients will buy a beater, go to the cheapo insurance place where you pay by the month, get a policy, get the tags, then drop or stop paying the policy. The state supposedly spot checks registrations, but I've never seen any evidence that they do. Had a good friend get T-boned in an intersection a few weeks ago by one of the fine folks described above. Totaled his Honda CRV, messed him up mildy for a week. EIGHT witnesses at the scene said she ran the light (she did) yet she is trying to sue him. And yes, she had no insurance and her tags were expired. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anyone want a CHEAP 240D Fixer?
Repeat after me. There is no such thing as a cheap Mercedes.. Well, I should have said cheap to acquire. Any older Mercedes will cost $4-5K either up front for a well maintained one or over time for a beater to get things up to par. Good point. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anyone want a CHEAP 240D Fixer?
Really, I am living proof there is. Tom Hargrave wrote: Repeat after me. There is no such thing as a cheap Mercedes.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] need 124 diesel down pipe
Anybody got the front exhaust section for a 87 300TD (not sure if sedan is the same). This is the flex section from the turbo to the rear exhaust section. My flex pipe is cracked and very annoying even though it is almost brand new, replaced with the trap recall not too long ago with Chris Mccann when he had it. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] need 124 diesel down pipe
Flex pipe? Mine is VERY flexy, being a woven covered something or other and not a corrogated flex pipe at all. There is a flex coupling in there at the rear of the turbo, but it's not part of the pipe at all, being about 6 long if I remember correctly. There should be a trap catalyst installed under the front floor, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixed Costs (taxes insurance, etc.) [wasRe: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!]
Huh? Wrong-o, Loren.
I pay about $100 per month for my Benz ('77 240D), Debbie's Buick, my (the
vehicle formerly known as yours) VW Quantum, Megan's Cavalier (with a 20
year old female university student listed as the primary driver), and a
Honda motorcycle. Full coverage on the Buick, sane coverage on everything
else.
Disclaimer: this is with 100% clean driving records all around (got my
license in '68 and have yet to be issued a speeding ticket).
USAA. They used to be military officers only but I think they have relaxed
the rules.
On 7/27/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IA insurance is about 800-1000 per car, per year, with multi-car
discounts. It does NOT go down when you have more cars than drivers.
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[MBZ] OT:Italian truck brakelines suck!
Just thought I would drop a note to let you all hear about my fun with Iveco truck brakelines. I recently bought an Iveco commercial diesel truck and am in the process of learning everything there is to know about how to fix the air over hydraulic brake system in a Fiat(fix it again Tony) built truck! First the air tanks were rusted through beyond repair so they needed to be replaced. Well, guess what, Iveco no longer makes these tanks. They are 8 in diameter and 20 long so I figured I would just buy 8 well casing and caps and build some new tanks...Yeah, right. The casing would be $130 and $30 each for 6 caps plus labor to get them all welded up made that way too much money for the budget right now so I ended up making up some metric thread to pipe thread adapters and T-off to some 20# propane tanks. That works pretty well for now. The brakelines are 6mm with a bubble flare, near impossible to buy and 1/4 inch is 6.3mm so it won't quite fit in the flaring tool or the 6mm line nuts. So I have come up with using the flaring bar from a standard double flaring tool with the rest of the metric bubble flaring tool to make the flares on the 1/4 inch line and drilling out the 6mm nuts to 1/4. It's working so far but it's certainly been very time consuming and tedious work. Updates as they go. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anyone want a CHEAP 240D Fixer?
Why do you have to be on the other side of the country with your good deals??? I just spoke to a lady about buying a 76 240D with 60K original miles and manual trannySupposed to go pick it up on Tuesday. It runs great but is VERY rusty. Mike For those of you who may be interested in W115 Diesels, I've written about this car a time or two along with the '72 220D in which I've been interested. I just got off the phone with the owner. He was originally asking $650 for the '72 220D and $750 for the '74 240D. someone offered him $500 for both of them but couldn't get them outta there until Sunday. Wifey wants them gone ASAP! I can get them for the $500 tonight if I want them, but the problem is that i don't have a place to park *BOTH* of them. The 220D needs the radiator out of the 240D, but I would be willing to make someone a deal on the rest of it which is supposed to be in good condition. If anyone is looking for W115 240D parts, I will have a pretty good idea of what's there as well as condition. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anyone want a CHEAP 240D Fixer?
BULLCRAP! My best MBZ was a $500 240D that drove me around for thousands of miles and cost me almost nothing to maintain.Mac still has it. Mike Repeat after me. There is no such thing as a cheap Mercedes.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] anyone want a CHEAP 240D Fixer? For those of you who may be interested in W115 Diesels, I've written about this car a time or two along with the '72 220D in which I've been interested. I just got off the phone with the owner. He was originally asking $650 for the '72 220D and $750 for the '74 240D. someone offered him $500 for both of them but couldn't get them outta there until Sunday. Wifey wants them gone ASAP! I can get them for the $500 tonight if I want them, but the problem is that i don't have a place to park *BOTH* of them. The 220D needs the radiator out of the 240D, but I would be willing to make someone a deal on the rest of it which is supposed to be in good condition. If anyone is looking for W115 240D parts, I will have a pretty good idea of what's there as well as condition. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixed Costs (taxes insurance, etc.) [wasRe: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
I can remember being damn'd glad I moved from Florida to Iowa, when it came to my vehicles! (At the time of the move, we had only two.) On 7/27/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have exact numbers, but late model cars run around $1000 - $1200/year with full coverage. That includes 25+ years with State Farm, and every discount imaginable that they offer. And even if it's an older car, the cost is not significantly less - the major expense is the no-fault (uninsured motorist) part that is pretty much the same across the board. Dan Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fave body style
300 CD Convertible. Brian On 7/27/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I had to pick my absolute favorite Mercedes body style, I vote for the W115 chassis. I haven't owned one yet, but that will change once I find a '72 220D or a '76 300D. I remember a lister saying that it took 4 hours to rr the alternator due to the York compressor brackets being in the way since they had to be removed. The good thing about the '72 220D is that it shouldn't have this problem since many came w/o a/c. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fave body style
No love for the W138? The W28 and W152 round out my top three. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van
They are not fast by any means but they will pull a huge load. The TH400 is a good tranny but it is still the weak point in that vehicle. The 4bt has alot of torque and gets the automatics pretty hot. Put a big cooler on it and run syn fluid. I have been looking for one of those vans for a donor for the engine swap in my M37 but have yet to find a great deal on one. Mike It appears that the dragon boat club is ready to get a mobile transport unit (MTU) to haul gear and boats to the local races. Meanwhile, I happened to spot 2 of these Frito Lay trucks for sale on CL for around 4K, both with fresh 4BT engines. They seem low tech and reliable with the mechanical injection and the old Turbo 400 tranny (not electronically controlled). Hopefully, one of the two trucks will work for them. KEvin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fave body style
C111 W116 300SD (or maybe 6.9) W201 Evolution II ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] need 124 diesel down pipe
Yes I do have one - from the '90 300d 2.5, but it's cracked also, which is why I replaced it with a new one from Rusty On 7/27/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody got the front exhaust section for a 87 300TD (not sure if sedan is the same). This is the flex section from the turbo to the rear exhaust section. My flex pipe is cracked and very annoying even though it is almost brand new, replaced with the trap recall not too long ago with Chris Mccann when he had it. -- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixed Costs (taxes insurance, etc.)
Loren said We have to pay for the rising numbers of wetbacks that cause wrecks and have no insurance. They also steal vehicles and that contributes to the rates also Shame on you...don't you know those are guest workers who do the work that Merkuns just won't do Royce Temporarily Benzless 01 Expedition 75K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fave body style
C111 W198 W126 coupe (SEC) I like driving the 124, but it doesn't look good to me. My wife really likes it though On 7/27/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C111 W116 300SD (or maybe 6.9) W201 Evolution II -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fixed Costs (taxes insurance, etc.) [wasRe: better hurry, this thing is going to end cheap!!
Truth be told, I am working hard on a move to Gardnerville/Minden/Dayton Nevada. Probability of it taking place is slim, but I'm going to push for it nevertheless. My youngest has to graduate HS (although he is gung ho for the move, too) and my inlaws have to cack, or at least my father-in-law. I love the guy, but he's been cheating Death for almost 25 years. As long as he's around the spouse won't want to leave, and even if I can convince her, if he's still alive he'll hate me for moving the family away. The only positive for him would be the proximity of Reno and gambling, something both he and the mother-in-law like to do. Step 1: Take the spouse and youngest son on a week long foray out there at the best time of the year - mid October. Tickets are already booked. Dan --- Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can remember being damn'd glad I moved from Florida to Iowa, when it came to my vehicles! (At the time of the move, we had only two.) Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fave body style
I have to admit if we were including all MB models, I would alter my list to include my favorite classics: W170V W111/112 W114 (coupe) W126 --- Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C111 W116 300SD (or maybe 6.9) W201 Evolution II ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] need 124 diesel down pipe
yes, it has the exhaust cat installed. Peter Frederick wrote: Flex pipe? Mine is VERY flexy, being a woven covered something or other and not a corrogated flex pipe at all. There is a flex coupling in there at the rear of the turbo, but it's not part of the pipe at all, being about 6 long if I remember correctly. There should be a trap catalyst installed under the front floor, too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] need 124 diesel down pipe
They are different I do believe. At least I think they are. If so, I installed the only good one I had on the 2.5 turbo that just left. OK Don wrote: Yes I do have one - from the '90 300d 2.5, but it's cracked also, which is why I replaced it with a new one from Rusty On 7/27/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody got the front exhaust section for a 87 300TD (not sure if sedan is the same). This is the flex section from the turbo to the rear exhaust section. My flex pipe is cracked and very annoying even though it is almost brand new, replaced with the trap recall not too long ago with Chris Mccann when he had it. -- -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] anyone want a CHEAP 240D Fixer?
Why do you have to be on the other side of the country with your good deals??? Around here, good deals are hard to find on Diesel Mercedes' with one exception. The owner doesn't know nuttin' about what he's got which would be the case with these. I wish I had a space to park both cars since it would be NICE to have a parts donor for the '72. I'm sure that the '75 has some parts/improvements not found on the '72. . I would love to have the drivetrain out of that rusty 240D with 60K original miles! Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Frito Lay Cummins 4BT Box Van
I have been looking for one of those vans for a donor for the engine swap in my M37 but have yet to find a great deal on one. You and everybody else. That's the problem! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
