Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour
d. non of the above. However, I will be writing in Ron Paul. Dave H... -- From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour Choose the best answer: a. Hillary Clinton b. Barak Hussein Obama c. John McCain d. none of the above At 08:37 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote: My OPINION: Wake up America or you will some day come out of your stupor to find WACO being the norm. Dave H... Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Archie Bunker On Gun Control
I like this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fqCS7Y_kMENR=1 Ed 300E On 04/04/2008, John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing Charlton Heston impression, that was cool. On 4/3/08, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLjNJI54GMM Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system But why no speedometer? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
When you compare apples to oranges, I'm not sure what conclusions we can be expected to draw Maybe if all doctors carried sidearms things would be better? Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:07:31 -0500, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have written several times on the list about how I believe being in an MB can save your life in the event of an accident. I strongly believe that to be the case. I think we should all take intelligent steps to protect our selves and out lives. Therefor, when someone sent me this, I thought it was worth passing on. I did not verify the numbers, but I have no reason to doubt them either. YMMV FACTS TO PONDER : (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (Calculation) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services. Now think about this: Guns: (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million..) (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500. (Calculation) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188 Statistics courtesy of FBI So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.' FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand! Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on Lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention! Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT searches and seizures
I reread my email on this issue and I want to apologize for the tone of my remarks. I may have come down a little too hard on some of the listers. I apologize. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
I was really quite drunk at the time. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Frederick W Moir wrote: For Yorkshire pudding read popover with gravy (brown). It was originally designed to fill up the diners before the meat course so that they would eat less meat! OK, so what does this mean: If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat? http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/another-brick-2-wall.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Join The 500 Club?
Does it come with a free prayer? --R Rick Knoble wrote: http://madison.craigslist.org/car/628695447.html Not Mine, No Affiliation, ect. Rick Knoble '87 190DT '85 300CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
Begging your pardon I think you mean things Fred won't eat. I'm from Maine, mudbugs, clams, mussles and such are all good. A spot of good Yorkshire pudding however is heaven. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:48:24 -0400 From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I can only wish, being retired now, that I had the money to go to a Chowda'Q. Yes, I love all those things that Curt won't eat, I have to - born and raised in Connecticut don't you see? :) Dave H... - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
Maybe it was a momentary lapse of reason. Dan Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was really quite drunk at the time. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Frederick W Moir wrote: For Yorkshire pudding read popover with gravy (brown). It was originally designed to fill up the diners before the meat course so that they would eat less meat! OK, so what does this mean: If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat? http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/another-brick-2-wall.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
How's about some warm spotted dick with a little treacle? Dan (with good teeth) Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Begging your pardon I think you mean things Fred won't eat. I'm from Maine, mudbugs, clams, mussles and such are all good. A spot of good Yorkshire pudding however is heaven. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:48:24 -0400 From: Dave H... Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I can only wish, being retired now, that I had the money to go to a Chowda'Q. Yes, I love all those things that Curt won't eat, I have to - born and raised in Connecticut don't you see? :) Dave H... - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour
I had this great idea, add none of the above as a real choice. If a majority (even a plurality) of Americans vote for none of the above we run a new election. Make the new election new by stipulating that none of the idiots that ran before can run again, ever. If none of the above gets a super majority (say 75%) shoot all the previous candidates because they must be totally worthless. Then start over. -Curt Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 06:52:28 -0400 From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original d. non of the above. However, I will be writing in Ron Paul. Dave H... -- From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour Choose the best answer: a. Hillary Clinton b. Barak Hussein Obama c. John McCain d. none of the above At 08:37 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote: My OPINION: Wake up America or you will some day come out of your stupor to find WACO being the norm. Dave H... Loren Faeth - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We tried to have a Chowda'Q in Massachutes a few years ago. Aren't there enough people in IN, IL and OH to have a Midwest'Q in Indiana? I mean, it is the crossroads of America after all. Equally distant from all peoples, except the smelly hippies in CA, they have a mountain range or seven in the way. EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 81 300TD smashed today in hit and run
You still can if yo have $75.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 81 300TD smashed today in hit and run You could 10 years ago. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 8:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 81 300TD smashed today in hit and run Tom Hargrave wrote: I gave him the models of all three Mercedes, 1972 289SEL 4.5, 1975 240D, 1986 300E and two weeks later the parents both kids came over with three very expensive hood ornaments, purchased from the local Stealership. Both kids were trembling. You can still buy 108 ornaments? IIRC, 116s have been NLA for quite a while and you're supposed to replace them with the smaller 123 ornament. I got my 116 ornament off eBay for something like $15. It's not new and shiny, but it's not a bad match for the 29 year old grill. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:38 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.22.3/1354 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:38 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour
D. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour Choose the best answer: a. Hillary Clinton b. Barak Hussein Obama c. John McCain d. none of the above At 08:37 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote: My OPINION: Wake up America or you will some day come out of your stupor to find WACO being the norm. Dave H... Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
No, it was my psychedelic breakfast. --R LWB250 wrote: Maybe it was a momentary lapse of reason. Dan Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was really quite drunk at the time. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Frederick W Moir wrote: For Yorkshire pudding read popover with gravy (brown). It was originally designed to fill up the diners before the meat course so that they would eat less meat! OK, so what does this mean: If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat? http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/another-brick-2-wall.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour
d! Luther On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:06:36 -0600, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Choose the best answer: a. Hillary Clinton b. Barak Hussein Obama c. John McCain d. none of the above At 08:37 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote: My OPINION: Wake up America or you will some day come out of your stupor to find WACO being the norm. Dave H... Loren Faeth -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
Not so fast, the filter was firmly in place yesterday afternoon Luther On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:11:09 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But why no reverse If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 155 K miles -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 81 300TD smashed today in hit and run
Rusty Cullens wrote: You still can if you have $75.00 What about 116 hood star? Forget it and buy 123 instead? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Politics: Monica's Boyfriend's Wife
Bear in mind that things have changed from their day and that in their time, they were progressive thinkers. We tend to look at people like this based upon our current experiences. An example is the Indian Residential Schools mess in Canada. The folks that created the schools and most of the folks who ran them had only the best of intentions and thought at the time that they were doing something positive. Now, they are accused of cultural genocide etc and we tax payers are footing the bill for huge claims by all of the native students who attended the schools whether abused or not. Time changes perceptions. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Politics: Monica's Boyfriend's Wife Interesting that those who celebrate Jefferson Jackson day would detest and despise both, if they bothered to read the positions (and history) of Jefferson and Jackson. At 11:30 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote: I want to see Thomas Jefferson reincarnated instead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
Ah, but how many gun deaths are not accidental but intentional. I don't think you will find very many deaths caused by doctors are intentional. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB I have written several times on the list about how I believe being in an MB can save your life in the event of an accident. I strongly believe that to be the case. I think we should all take intelligent steps to protect our selves and out lives. Therefor, when someone sent me this, I thought it was worth passing on. I did not verify the numbers, but I have no reason to doubt them either. YMMV FACTS TO PONDER : (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (Calculation) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services. Now think about this: Guns: (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million..) (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500. (Calculation) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188 Statistics courtesy of FBI So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.' FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand! Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on Lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention! Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
There is the potential for a future Indy 'Q. To more or less let the cat out of the bag, the family and I will be returning to Indianapolis (our hometown) this summer to take over partnership in a business I was formerly a part of. My formerly former partner is about 10 years my senior, and he has recently come to the realization that there is, in fact, life outside of the business. As a result I will be returning to gradually take over the business so he and his brother can segue out of it and begin to enjoy a life of leisure while I work myself to death... grin The nature of my relocation is such that I expect to be house rich due to the grossly inflated home values here in Florida, resulting in a lot a equity that I have to do something with or take my lifetime capital gains tax. That, coupled with significantly lower home prices in Indianapolis and environs, makes for a good deal for us when it comes to finding a house. Add in the current market situation, and you couldn't ask for a better chance to do some serious negotiating. While we haven't looked at it in detail, I suspect we will end up with a large home and some land, possibly. Even if that doesn't work out, the business has a large piece of property that would lend itself to a nice gathering. We're on Country Club Road just north of West 10th Street, if you're interested in location. There are lots of nice things to see in the immediate area, (500 Speedway, Children's Museum, etc.) so it would be an ideal place to have a gathering, especially for those who might want to include family members. Now all I have to do is find an MB Dan Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:53 AM, wrote: We tried to have a Chowda'Q in Massachutes a few years ago. Aren't there enough people in IN, IL and OH to have a Midwest'Q in Indiana? I mean, it is the crossroads of America after all. Equally distant from all peoples, except the smelly hippies in CA, they have a mountain range or seven in the way. EdB - You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
Intentional deaths by doctors happen every day, but we don't keep statistics on them. It's most common form takes takes place as an overdosing of morphine when treating the terminally ill. Especially with cancer patients, you reach a point that you cannot live with the pain - literally. -Dave Walton On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:56 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, but how many gun deaths are not accidental but intentional. I don't think you will find very many deaths caused by doctors are intentional. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB I have written several times on the list about how I believe being in an MB can save your life in the event of an accident. I strongly believe that to be the case. I think we should all take intelligent steps to protect our selves and out lives. Therefor, when someone sent me this, I thought it was worth passing on. I did not verify the numbers, but I have no reason to doubt them either. YMMV FACTS TO PONDER : (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (Calculation) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services. Now think about this: Guns: (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million..) (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500. (Calculation) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188 Statistics courtesy of FBI So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.' FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand! Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on Lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention! Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 81 300TD smashed today in hit and run
Not interchangeable. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 81 300TD smashed today in hit and run Rusty Cullens wrote: You still can if you have $75.00 What about 116 hood star? Forget it and buy 123 instead? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: '95 Jag XJS on Portland CL
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/627860832.html For the Jag freaks among us. I've always thought the XJS was a real looker. I didn't realize they were still building them that recently---the interior looks quite a bit more modern than I remember from the last time I peeked into one. Was there really a V-6 option or is the seller an idiot? I thought all '90s Jags came with either the old straight-6, the notoriously self-destructing V-12, or a V-8 (after the Ford buyout when they restyled the XJ6 to look like a Crown Vic with round headlights). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo and nothing English ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the diagnosis is tranny rebuild time. It's a bad govenor. Since the govenor drives the speedo, which then drives the cruise, that explains no sound and no slipping when the cruise just quit. Ugh. Rusty's quote is $1895, $125-150 shipping for his 2 year, unlimited mileage warranty transmission. Ugh. Now I gotta make some calls and transfer some money Luther On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:36:42 -0600, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not so fast, the filter was firmly in place yesterday afternoon Luther On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:11:09 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But why no reverse If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 155 K miles -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:05 AM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is the potential for a future Indy 'Q. Congrats, Dan, sounds like a positive change. May I ask what the nature of the business is that you're getting back into? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
LWB250 wrote: lot a equity that I have to do something with or take my lifetime capital gains tax. There's no lifetime exclusion or rollover replacement now. As it currently stands, the section 121 exclusion is limited to $250k per taxpayer every two years. If you are MFJ, the first $500k of gain is exempt, anything over that is taxable whether you buy something else or not. I suppose I should check and see if any changes are scheduled for 2008 returns, but I don't believe there are. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
Not intentional I am sure, but errors from fatigue, guessing about the correct medication rather than looking it up, incorrect diagnosis, a slip during surgery - yes to those. I don't think that I would feel much better if I lost my spouse or a child to a medical mistake rather than a bullet. In fact, given the lingering death some medical errors cause, in some cases the bullet could be better. All things being equal [meaning you lose a loved one] errors vs evil intent might be easier to live with, might not. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB Ah, but how many gun deaths are not accidental but intentional. I don't think you will find very many deaths caused by doctors are intentional. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB I have written several times on the list about how I believe being in an MB can save your life in the event of an accident. I strongly believe that to be the case. I think we should all take intelligent steps to protect our selves and out lives. Therefor, when someone sent me this, I thought it was worth passing on. I did not verify the numbers, but I have no reason to doubt them either. YMMV FACTS TO PONDER : (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (Calculation) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services. Now think about this: Guns: (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million..) (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500. (Calculation) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188 Statistics courtesy of FBI So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.' FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand! Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on Lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention! Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: '95 Jag XJS on Portland CL
Inline 6 or V12 for 1995. I hadn't realized that XJS did not automatically mean V12, but I also didn't know they made them in 1995. http://www.edmunds.com/used/1995/jaguar/xjseries/3330/specs.html Alex Chamberlain wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/627860832.html For the Jag freaks among us. I've always thought the XJS was a real looker. I didn't realize they were still building them that recently---the interior looks quite a bit more modern than I remember from the last time I peeked into one. Was there really a V-6 option or is the seller an idiot? I thought all '90s Jags came with either the old straight-6, the notoriously self-destructing V-12, or a V-8 (after the Ford buyout when they restyled the XJ6 to look like a Crown Vic with round headlights). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo and nothing English ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 81 300TD smashed today in hit and run
Rusty Cullens wrote: Not interchangeable. I meant is the 116 available, or do the 116 owners have to make do with 123 stars? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: '95 Jag XJS on Portland CL
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inline 6 or V12 for 1995. I hadn't realized that XJS did not automatically mean V12, but I also didn't know they made them in 1995. Ah, OK, then the seller is just a garden-variety moron who thinks all sixes are V-6s, not a special kind of one who can't count 12 plug wires. :) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 81 300TD smashed today in hit and run
Available, yes. $40.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 81 300TD smashed today in hit and run Rusty Cullens wrote: Not interchangeable. I meant is the 116 available, or do the 116 owners have to make do with 123 stars? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car For Mitch Haley
Hi, All. This ad and closing price make me happy, well smug. I paid $850 for the same car with engine problems . Drove it home and re-torqued the delivery valves, replaced a brake line, front pipe coming from Rusty (All Hail Rusty!) and were off and running.The only bit that was not too great was getting up at 3am to be first in line, I am NOT a morning person! YMMV Fred Moir Patience like a spider gets the fly! If you eat flies, that is. At 11:53 PM 4/3/2008, you wrote: and the closing price is..$1325! That's $375 more than Kevin paid when he bought my 190 turbo 4-5 years ago before it was damaged. To refresh your memory, the car has a few small rust holes, busted windshield, leaking heater core, and the tranny was rebuilt by somebody with zero benz experience, and a year later only goes in reverse. I would have been all over this car for $400. http://offer.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsitem=290218117617 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
If you think things are bad now, wait until all the doctors are government employees. Allan -- 1983 300D Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not intentional I am sure, but errors from fatigue, guessing about the correct medication rather than looking it up, incorrect diagnosis, a slip during surgery - yes to those. I don't think that I would feel much better if I lost my spouse or a child to a medical mistake rather than a bullet. In fact, given the lingering death some medical errors cause, in some cases the bullet could be better. All things being equal [meaning you lose a loved one] errors vs evil intent might be easier to live with, might not. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
Congrutulations and count me in. I might be on the Harley tho', instead of in a Benz... Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
In case you may have not noticed, the government already runs one health care organization, VA Anyone? Since they do such a stellar job with that oe, I'm sure they can handle the rest of the population. US Government health care, combining all the efficiency of the US Government, with all the compassion of the IRS!) Not ME! On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think things are bad now, wait until all the doctors are government employees. Allan -- 1983 300D Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not intentional I am sure, but errors from fatigue, guessing about the correct medication rather than looking it up, incorrect diagnosis, a slip during surgery - yes to those. I don't think that I would feel much better if I lost my spouse or a child to a medical mistake rather than a bullet. In fact, given the lingering death some medical errors cause, in some cases the bullet could be better. All things being equal [meaning you lose a loved one] errors vs evil intent might be easier to live with, might not. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
Congratulations. Damn spell checker failed. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Original Message - From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q Congrutulations and count me in. I might be on the Harley tho', instead of in a Benz... Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
The VA in Cleveland, Ohio is comparable to any other first-class healthcare institution. Yes, they can indeed do a stellar job. Furthermore, there are thousands of uninsured people in Cleveland alone that would go to the VA for care if they could. -Dave Walton On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you may have not noticed, the government already runs one health care organization, VA Anyone? Since they do such a stellar job with that oe, I'm sure they can handle the rest of the population. US Government health care, combining all the efficiency of the US Government, with all the compassion of the IRS!) Not ME! On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think things are bad now, wait until all the doctors are government employees. Allan -- 1983 300D Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not intentional I am sure, but errors from fatigue, guessing about the correct medication rather than looking it up, incorrect diagnosis, a slip during surgery - yes to those. I don't think that I would feel much better if I lost my spouse or a child to a medical mistake rather than a bullet. In fact, given the lingering death some medical errors cause, in some cases the bullet could be better. All things being equal [meaning you lose a loved one] errors vs evil intent might be easier to live with, might not. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
Hillary did a great job of keeping things (i.e., Slick's zipper) in the White House under control, I'm sure she will be able to run govt health care, when she is not dodging sniper fire. --R Rory wrote: In case you may have not noticed, the government already runs one health care organization, VA Anyone? Since they do such a stellar job with that oe, I'm sure they can handle the rest of the population. US Government health care, combining all the efficiency of the US Government, with all the compassion of the IRS!) Not ME! On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think things are bad now, wait until all the doctors are government employees. Allan -- 1983 300D Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not intentional I am sure, but errors from fatigue, guessing about the correct medication rather than looking it up, incorrect diagnosis, a slip during surgery - yes to those. I don't think that I would feel much better if I lost my spouse or a child to a medical mistake rather than a bullet. In fact, given the lingering death some medical errors cause, in some cases the bullet could be better. All things being equal [meaning you lose a loved one] errors vs evil intent might be easier to live with, might not. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
Good luck with all the many parts of that. I lived in Indy for about 5
years {grad school] and liked it pretty well most of the time.
BillR
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There is the potential for a future Indy 'Q.
To more or less let the cat out of the bag, the family and I will be
returning to Indianapolis (our hometown) this summer to take over
partnership in a business I was formerly a part of. My formerly former
partner is about 10 years my senior, and he has recently come to the
realization that there is, in fact, life outside of the business.
As a result I will be returning to gradually take over the business so he
and his brother can segue out of it and begin to enjoy a life of leisure
while I work myself to death...
grin
The nature of my relocation is such that I expect to be house rich due
to the grossly inflated home values here in Florida, resulting in a lot a
equity that I have to do something with or take my lifetime capital gains
tax. That, coupled with significantly lower home prices in Indianapolis and
environs, makes for a good deal for us when it comes to finding a house.
Add in the current market situation, and you couldn't ask for a better
chance to do some serious negotiating. While we haven't looked at it in
detail, I suspect we will end up with a large home and some land, possibly.
Even if that doesn't work out, the business has a large piece of property
that would lend itself to a nice gathering. We're on Country Club Road just
north of West 10th Street, if you're interested in location. There are lots
of nice things to see in the immediate area, (500 Speedway, Children's
Museum, etc.) so it would be an ideal place to have a gathering, especially
for those who
might want to include family members.
Now all I have to do is find an MB
Dan
Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:53 AM,
wrote:
We tried to have a Chowda'Q in Massachutes a few years ago.
Aren't there enough people in IN, IL and OH to have a Midwest'Q in Indiana?
I mean, it is the crossroads of America after all. Equally distant from all
peoples, except the smelly hippies in CA, they have a mountain range or
seven in the way.
EdB
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Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
That one I'd leave out of my statistics, and wish for if it were me. A doctor in Lakeland FL performed unnecessary surgery on my father in law that let him live about one day longer, with more pain, because he didn't want to do that to 'his friend'. Some extra morphine would have been much kinder. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB Intentional deaths by doctors happen every day, but we don't keep statistics on them. It's most common form takes takes place as an overdosing of morphine when treating the terminally ill. Especially with cancer patients, you reach a point that you cannot live with the pain - literally. -Dave Walton On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:56 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, but how many gun deaths are not accidental but intentional. I don't think you will find very many deaths caused by doctors are intentional. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB I have written several times on the list about how I believe being in an MB can save your life in the event of an accident. I strongly believe that to be the case. I think we should all take intelligent steps to protect our selves and out lives. Therefor, when someone sent me this, I thought it was worth passing on. I did not verify the numbers, but I have no reason to doubt them either. YMMV FACTS TO PONDER : (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (Calculation) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services. Now think about this: Guns: (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million..) (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500. (Calculation) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188 Statistics courtesy of FBI So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.' FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand! Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on Lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention! Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
There is the potential for a future Indy 'Q. Now all I have to do is find an MB Dan Naw. You host a Q and have food, and everyone _else_ brings the MBs. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
My front fenders are starting to rust right at the bottom behind the wheel, I think this is a pretty typical location for rust on a W123 from what I've seen. It is all the way through on the drivers side, just bubbling the paint on the passenger side. Thought about cutting out the rust and welding in some new metal, or would it be just as well to replace the fenders completely? That is pretty much a bolt-on job right? Are new fenders available? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
Interesting that you feel it is your wife's job to keep your pants zipped. Is it also your job to keep her from other men? I always liked the idea of personal responsibility myself. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 4/4/08 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB Hillary did a great job of keeping things (i.e., Slick's zipper) in the White House under control, I'm sure she will be able to run govt health care, when she is not dodging sniper fire. --R Rory wrote: In case you may have not noticed, the government already runs one health care organization, VA Anyone? Since they do such a stellar job with that oe, I'm sure they can handle the rest of the population. US Government health care, combining all the efficiency of the US Government, with all the compassion of the IRS!) Not ME! On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think things are bad now, wait until all the doctors are government employees. Allan -- 1983 300D Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not intentional I am sure, but errors from fatigue, guessing about the correct medication rather than looking it up, incorrect diagnosis, a slip during surgery - yes to those. I don't think that I would feel much better if I lost my spouse or a child to a medical mistake rather than a bullet. In fact, given the lingering death some medical errors cause, in some cases the bullet could be better. All things being equal [meaning you lose a loved one] errors vs evil intent might be easier to live with, might not. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
$158.00 each new Genuine MB Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace? My front fenders are starting to rust right at the bottom behind the wheel, I think this is a pretty typical location for rust on a W123 from what I've seen. It is all the way through on the drivers side, just bubbling the paint on the passenger side. Thought about cutting out the rust and welding in some new metal, or would it be just as well to replace the fenders completely? That is pretty much a bolt-on job right? Are new fenders available? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Rusty Cullens wrote: $158.00 each new Genuine MB The fun is in removing the old (which may be glued on) and paintmatching the new. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Fortunately, I don't do body work. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace? Rusty Cullens wrote: $158.00 each new Genuine MB The fun is in removing the old (which may be glued on) and paintmatching the new. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
Maybe but a good one is hard to beat. Of course, I really like bread so maybe it follows that I would like the Yorkshire pudding too. We have a local restaurant that does a real nice prime rib and the dinner always comes with a real nice Yorkshire pudding and juice to dip it in. That and a bit of horseradish to go with the beef and a bit of red wine and I don't care if I get the potatoe and veggies. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frederick W Moir Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q Curt et al. For Yorkshire pudding read popover with gravy (brown). It was originally designed to fill up the diners before the meat course so that they would eat less meat! 'ear all see all and say nowt Eat all supp all and pay nowt And if thar ever does owt for nowt Do it for thar sen. Old Yorkshire saying. sound almost Scottish, no? Fred Moir Lynn MA At 04:13 PM 4/3/2008, you wrote: Can you make an actual Yorkshire pudding? I had it twice in Yorkshire back in '87 and never since. Party at Fred's house! -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
My hood needs to be painted anyway (no gloss) so I'd probably have a body shop paint the whole front end. The car's already been resprayed at least once so it's not a showpiece by any means. Allan -- 1983 300D Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Fortunately, I don't do body work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Hi Alan, Along with the option of replacing the fender with new ones is the option of cutting the old fender back to a place where there is no more rust. There are Patch Panels available to allow the replacement of just the damaged area. The new Patch Panel is welded into place, then the fender is repainted to match the existing paint. As far as removing the old fender, depending on the adhesive used, it can be devilishly difficult to remove - often requiring heat applied in large quantities. But the above is just one more option. You might find a used fender with a good lower section allowing you to make your own patch panel. Regardless of which you decide on, I suggest you put a coating of POR15 on the interior surfaces - they are normally well hidden and susceptible to rust so anythng you do to slow the rust monster down will be rewarded. You should talk to the POR people and ask what new products they have. POR is designed to go on over rust (Paint Over Rust) - if you have no rust it may not adhere as well as some other products. Good luck - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace? My front fenders are starting to rust right at the bottom behind the wheel, I think this is a pretty typical location for rust on a W123 from what I've seen. It is all the way through on the drivers side, just bubbling the paint on the passenger side. Thought about cutting out the rust and welding in some new metal, or would it be just as well to replace the fenders completely? That is pretty much a bolt-on job right? Are new fenders available? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi Alan, Along with the option of replacing the fender with new ones is the option of cutting the old fender back to a place where there is no more rust. There are Patch Panels available to allow the replacement of just the damaged area. The new Patch Panel is welded into place, then the fender is repainted to match the existing paint. Ah! I was thinking I'd have to fabricate my own patch. Who sells these patch panels? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
Well I know if mine came unzipped I would not have the need, ability, or interest to unzip it again as the necessary means to carry through would be severely compromised. But, yes, personal responsibility is the key, and enforcement when it doesn't work, if it is important to the couple. There is also that little aspect that as president, everyone involved has a responsibility to live up to the honor of the office. In their case, it doesn't seem like fidelity and honor toward one another is a factor. Makes me wonder how someone(s) like that could have honor/respect in the office and respect to the American people they represent, but I think the answer to that is clear. In the Bill and Hill case, it was ongoing, so yeah, I think it was her responsibility to make sure it did not happen again and again and again when he was incapable of behaving responsibly, if for no other reason than family honor or consideration of their child, even if it wasn't his. And yes I think it is a spouse's job to keep the other from straying, by daily actions and behavior toward one another, not necessarily by constant oversight unless you got a Bill type to cover. You really have to work at it every day, and sometimes it is hard work to do so. --R Bill R wrote: Interesting that you feel it is your wife's job to keep your pants zipped. Is it also your job to keep her from other men? I always liked the idea of personal responsibility myself. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 4/4/08 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB Hillary did a great job of keeping things (i.e., Slick's zipper) in the White House under control, I'm sure she will be able to run govt health care, when she is not dodging sniper fire. --R Rory wrote: In case you may have not noticed, the government already runs one health care organization, VA Anyone? Since they do such a stellar job with that oe, I'm sure they can handle the rest of the population. US Government health care, combining all the efficiency of the US Government, with all the compassion of the IRS!) Not ME! On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think things are bad now, wait until all the doctors are government employees. Allan -- 1983 300D Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not intentional I am sure, but errors from fatigue, guessing about the correct medication rather than looking it up, incorrect diagnosis, a slip during surgery - yes to those. I don't think that I would feel much better if I lost my spouse or a child to a medical mistake rather than a bullet. In fact, given the lingering death some medical errors cause, in some cases the bullet could be better. All things being equal [meaning you lose a loved one] errors vs evil intent might be easier to live with, might not. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] This month's news
www.sniffpetrol.com ** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
Back to the emergency/standby generator business. I did this for 20 years before becoming a stay-at-home Dad and going back to school. The guy I'm going to work with is a former business partner. Back in the mid 80s one of the partners decided he wanted to live like the CEO of a Fortune 500 company before we quite made it, and ran us into receivership. I bailed and went to work for a BIG corporation (Kohler Co.) swearing that I would never sacrifice my personal efforts and assets again. My former partner scraped, begged and borrowed to buy the assets from the receiver, and started right back up. He has been very successful, the business is very profitable, well capitalized, and owns everything it has outright (building, land, inventory, vehicles, etc.) We have talked about this casually for years, but the time was right, so my 10 year sabbatical is over, and now I'm going back Dan --- Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:05 AM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is the potential for a future Indy 'Q. Congrats, Dan, sounds like a positive change. May I ask what the nature of the business is that you're getting back into? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
We bought this house in February of 1997, just missing the change in tax law regarding capital gains (dang it!) That's why I hadn't thought about the change in tax laws regarding home sales. We seriously considered delaying the purchase of the house as a result of the change, because we took a hit when we moved down here - the market was hot in Milwaukee at the time and we were selling a house we had built ourselves (major league sweat equity there.) Good to know - thank goodness we won't get hammered, because the same thing is going to happen again with the ridiculous home prices here and far less expensive homes in Indy. FWIW, we'll be on the west side, probably in Avon, Plainfield or Brownsburg. Still lots of land around there and close to work for me. Thanks for the info - and we've already started our box 'o' receipts for the house sale. Dan --- Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LWB250 wrote: lot a equity that I have to do something with or take my lifetime capital gains tax. There's no lifetime exclusion or rollover replacement now. As it currently stands, the section 121 exclusion is limited to $250k per taxpayer every two years. If you are MFJ, the first $500k of gain is exempt, anything over that is taxable whether you buy something else or not. I suppose I should check and see if any changes are scheduled for 2008 returns, but I don't believe there are. Mitch. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Why mess with a patch panel and all the related hassles when a new fender is $158? No matter how good a job your body guy does, welds will eventually bubble up and the fender will have to be replaced anyway. MB sheet metal has always been relatively cheap, IMHO, which is why I have never messed with patching... Dan --- Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah! I was thinking I'd have to fabricate my own patch. Who sells these patch panels? Allan -- 1983 300D You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
If you feel really brave, take the (new) hood and fenders and have them prepped and sprayed, then put them on yourself. The worst part about front fender RR is getting the old seam sealer off, which takes a torch or a couple of big a** heat lamps. Dan --- Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My hood needs to be painted anyway (no gloss) so I'd probably have a body shop paint the whole front end. The car's already been resprayed at least once so it's not a showpiece by any means. Allan -- 1983 300D You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Hi Alan, I Googled Mercedes Patch Panels and quickly got 10 pages of hits - there will be lots of companies that get hits by casting a wide net - they respond to a search for Patch Panels even if they do not sell them - but once you go thru a 1/2 dozen or so you will see which ones have them and which ones don't/ Good luck - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace? LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi Alan, Along with the option of replacing the fender with new ones is the option of cutting the old fender back to a place where there is no more rust. There are Patch Panels available to allow the replacement of just the damaged area. The new Patch Panel is welded into place, then the fender is repainted to match the existing paint. Ah! I was thinking I'd have to fabricate my own patch. Who sells these patch panels? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Why not just try a local junkyard. $185 is a good deal for OEM, DO NOT get the POS adsits. PO of my wifes wagon had replaced both fenders and hood from a junkyard find that may have been in worse shape than the original dented ones. They were all adsit and are awful. -Rolf LarryT wrote: Hi Alan, I Googled Mercedes Patch Panels and quickly got 10 pages of hits - there will be lots of companies that get hits by casting a wide net - they respond to a search for Patch Panels even if they do not sell them - but once you go thru a 1/2 dozen or so you will see which ones have them and which ones don't/ Good luck - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace? LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi Alan, Along with the option of replacing the fender with new ones is the option of cutting the old fender back to a place where there is no more rust. There are Patch Panels available to allow the replacement of just the damaged area. The new Patch Panel is welded into place, then the fender is repainted to match the existing paint. Ah! I was thinking I'd have to fabricate my own patch. Who sells these patch panels? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
However, few would deny that John and Jackie Kennedy are among the most respected whitehouse couples and the evidence now indicates he wasn't really much different than Bill. Just a different time and less respect from the press. Others have done similar - Bill just got caught and exposed. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB Well I know if mine came unzipped I would not have the need, ability, or interest to unzip it again as the necessary means to carry through would be severely compromised. But, yes, personal responsibility is the key, and enforcement when it doesn't work, if it is important to the couple. There is also that little aspect that as president, everyone involved has a responsibility to live up to the honor of the office. In their case, it doesn't seem like fidelity and honor toward one another is a factor. Makes me wonder how someone(s) like that could have honor/respect in the office and respect to the American people they represent, but I think the answer to that is clear. In the Bill and Hill case, it was ongoing, so yeah, I think it was her responsibility to make sure it did not happen again and again and again when he was incapable of behaving responsibly, if for no other reason than family honor or consideration of their child, even if it wasn't his. And yes I think it is a spouse's job to keep the other from straying, by daily actions and behavior toward one another, not necessarily by constant oversight unless you got a Bill type to cover. You really have to work at it every day, and sometimes it is hard work to do so. --R Bill R wrote: Interesting that you feel it is your wife's job to keep your pants zipped. Is it also your job to keep her from other men? I always liked the idea of personal responsibility myself. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 4/4/08 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB Hillary did a great job of keeping things (i.e., Slick's zipper) in the White House under control, I'm sure she will be able to run govt health care, when she is not dodging sniper fire. --R Rory wrote: In case you may have not noticed, the government already runs one health care organization, VA Anyone? Since they do such a stellar job with that oe, I'm sure they can handle the rest of the population. US Government health care, combining all the efficiency of the US Government, with all the compassion of the IRS!) Not ME! On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think things are bad now, wait until all the doctors are government employees. Allan -- 1983 300D Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not intentional I am sure, but errors from fatigue, guessing about the correct medication rather than looking it up, incorrect diagnosis, a slip during surgery - yes to those. I don't think that I would feel much better if I lost my spouse or a child to a medical mistake rather than a bullet. In fact, given the lingering death some medical errors cause, in some cases the bullet could be better. All things being equal [meaning you lose a loved one] errors vs evil intent might be easier to live with, might not. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] '86 300E alternator
How hard is it to change out a 300E alternator? I'm sorely tempted by this ad. Looks pretty good for Kaleb money... http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/630253697.html Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
If you patch the old, you'll still have to paint match the work. For $158 new, not worth messing around with the old ones. Ed 300E On 04/04/2008, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty Cullens wrote: $158.00 each new Genuine MB The fun is in removing the old (which may be glued on) and paintmatching the new. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '86 300E alternator
Looking at my 300, looks pretty easy to me. Half hour maybe, if you stop for a beer? Ed 300E On 04/04/2008, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How hard is it to change out a 300E alternator? I'm sorely tempted by this ad. Looks pretty good for Kaleb money... http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/630253697.html Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:16:06 -0400, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Why not just try a local junkyard. $185 is a good deal for OEM, DO NOT get the POS adsits. PO of my wifes wagon had replaced both fenders and hood from a junkyard find that may have been in worse shape than the original dented ones. They were all adsit and are awful. I asked Kaleb once if he had any and he said most of what he had was rusted just like mine are. My paint is not factory anymore so no chance of getting paint matched ones from a junkyard. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mom, Dad! I need some money to buy parts for my tank!
Engineering student builds a half scale tank. Cool. http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/04/post_moto_kid_death_story_here.html Dan You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
After 25 years, two different cars that left the factory with the same paint colour will no longer match anyway. If you're not in a real hurry for the car and on a tighter budget, you may find a local school that offers body shop classes that may do the work for their cost. Kids have to practice on something, and as they are teaching the trade, the job is often pretty good, as the work is well supervised. But, if it's your main car and you need it quick, may not be an option for you. Ed 300E On 04/04/2008, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:16:06 -0400, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Why not just try a local junkyard. $185 is a good deal for OEM, DO NOT get the POS adsits. PO of my wifes wagon had replaced both fenders and hood from a junkyard find that may have been in worse shape than the original dented ones. They were all adsit and are awful. I asked Kaleb once if he had any and he said most of what he had was rusted just like mine are. My paint is not factory anymore so no chance of getting paint matched ones from a junkyard. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mom, Dad! I need some money to buy parts for my tank!
I want one too. :-) Ed 300E On 04/04/2008, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Engineering student builds a half scale tank. Cool. http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/04/post_moto_kid_death_story_here.html Dan You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
How much of that respect is due to the press keeping his (and his brothers') activities quiet and out of the public eye, and a good PR effort to present them well? The WH press all knew what was going on and chose not to report it for whatever reasons. If anything, morality among the general populace was probably a bit more settled then than today or 16 yr ago, so that knowing JFK was a total horndog, addicted to drugs of various sorts due to his back problems, would probably have tarnished that Camelot thing a bit. Bobby was not any better, and Teddy, well, we all know about him. The old man Joe's story was kept pretty quiet until much later. That whole crowd, the males anyway, that descended from him was pretty much in his image in one way or other. Their women folk have suffered greatly for it, another aspect of their characters. --R R A Bennell wrote: However, few would deny that John and Jackie Kennedy are among the most respected whitehouse couples and the evidence now indicates he wasn't really much different than Bill. Just a different time and less respect from the press. Others have done similar - Bill just got caught and exposed. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB Well I know if mine came unzipped I would not have the need, ability, or interest to unzip it again as the necessary means to carry through would be severely compromised. But, yes, personal responsibility is the key, and enforcement when it doesn't work, if it is important to the couple. There is also that little aspect that as president, everyone involved has a responsibility to live up to the honor of the office. In their case, it doesn't seem like fidelity and honor toward one another is a factor. Makes me wonder how someone(s) like that could have honor/respect in the office and respect to the American people they represent, but I think the answer to that is clear. In the Bill and Hill case, it was ongoing, so yeah, I think it was her responsibility to make sure it did not happen again and again and again when he was incapable of behaving responsibly, if for no other reason than family honor or consideration of their child, even if it wasn't his. And yes I think it is a spouse's job to keep the other from straying, by daily actions and behavior toward one another, not necessarily by constant oversight unless you got a Bill type to cover. You really have to work at it every day, and sometimes it is hard work to do so. --R Bill R wrote: Interesting that you feel it is your wife's job to keep your pants zipped. Is it also your job to keep her from other men? I always liked the idea of personal responsibility myself. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 4/4/08 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB Hillary did a great job of keeping things (i.e., Slick's zipper) in the White House under control, I'm sure she will be able to run govt health care, when she is not dodging sniper fire. --R Rory wrote: In case you may have not noticed, the government already runs one health care organization, VA Anyone? Since they do such a stellar job with that oe, I'm sure they can handle the rest of the population. US Government health care, combining all the efficiency of the US Government, with all the compassion of the IRS!) Not ME! On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think things are bad now, wait until all the doctors are government employees. Allan -- 1983 300D Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not intentional I am sure, but errors from fatigue, guessing about the correct medication rather than looking it up, incorrect diagnosis, a slip during surgery - yes to those. I don't think that I would feel much better if I lost my spouse or a child to a medical mistake rather than a bullet. In fact, given the lingering death some medical errors cause, in some cases the bullet could be better. All things being equal [meaning you lose a loved one] errors vs evil intent might be easier to live with, might not. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
There was a salvage yard in Houston that always had a few 123s, bodies in good shape from the fairly benign situation here for metal. Not sure what has happened to it, I think it sold or something. Fenders were $35 if I recall. --R E M wrote: After 25 years, two different cars that left the factory with the same paint colour will no longer match anyway. If you're not in a real hurry for the car and on a tighter budget, you may find a local school that offers body shop classes that may do the work for their cost. Kids have to practice on something, and as they are teaching the trade, the job is often pretty good, as the work is well supervised. But, if it's your main car and you need it quick, may not be an option for you. Ed 300E On 04/04/2008, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:16:06 -0400, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Why not just try a local junkyard. $185 is a good deal for OEM, DO NOT get the POS adsits. PO of my wifes wagon had replaced both fenders and hood from a junkyard find that may have been in worse shape than the original dented ones. They were all adsit and are awful. I asked Kaleb once if he had any and he said most of what he had was rusted just like mine are. My paint is not factory anymore so no chance of getting paint matched ones from a junkyard. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny swaps [was: SDL won't move]
You'd be amazed at how many parts are simple drag and drop. I can only talk about the 123's but so far I have figured out that the tail shaft is longer in the manual, there is no hole for the fluid line to the slave cylinder, the manual gearshift assembly fits into the auto gearshift assembly, the centre console is the same hole size, the manual pedal assembly fits without mods but is a pain to install (I have removed the dash board which makes it easier) and the other thing is the starter lockout and reversing lights, both of which are no big deal. It has to be remembered that just about all MB chassis are designed for use with a manual gearbox and as such swapping over is no big deal IF you have the parts, I think even the gearbox support cross member is different but there are bolt holes designed to accommodate the different versions. Anyway once I completed the change over in my 230E I'll let you all know if there are any real problems. Hendrik Ed Booher wrote: On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The clutch pedal assembly and slave cylinder and gearshifter is the other big part of the manual tranny set up. The best way to do this is to scrounge the parts out of wrecks in Euroland, complete with gearboxes. Hendrik with a soon to be converted 230E 5 speed, time for the interior work today The bellhousing and flywheel are not hard, very simple actual. Any CNC machine shop worth it's salt can build you those parts no problem. Heck, most of them can even do the CAD for you to build the part from, as they need precise measurements for their machining systems. Snap your fingers and it's done, however this is the *expensive* part. My father makes *good* money as a CNC machinist, and if you assume that his labor is passed on at triple rate to the customer for the good of the machine shop, and the bulk discount for the setup and part run does not count for a one off or limited run, and ... well it becomes cost prohibitive. The hard part for the one doing the conversion is the pulling of the engine and the firewall modification for the addition, as Hendrik points out, of the clutch assembly. You have to completely remove the stock brake pedal, and in many cases the stock gas pedal as well. These need to be narrower, and in some applications moved off center to make way for the now needed third pedal. Sure, in a vehicle that may have had a factory manual option it is easier, but that doesn't not replace the hard from the equation. In fact forget all about the slave cylinder and gear box, including new trim pieces from the automatic style to the manual style, or an entire console and new steering column in the case of a column mounted automatic shift and let's pretend we can just magic the whole thing away. Right as rain. That third pedal is still the deal breaker. It's a right nasty piece of work. It can be done, and I'm sure many a gearhead will proclaim my ignorance at it's true ease. I tell you right now, don't listen to them. The rest of the entire changeover is a cakewalk, bellhousing included, compared to the labor involved in getting that extra pedal to fit in a stock fashion, including linkages for *all three* pedals that need to be adapted to properly fit the extra without binding in any of them. If you are set on a transmission conversion, spend time in the junkyard not so much scrounging for parts, as making notes and drawing diagrams on every car in the same class from as many makes as possible to get that linkage down properly. Everything else follows natural progression afterward. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
And mark the post as OT so the rest of us don't have to trawl through the crap. What happens to a politician if you feed him viagra? He grows taller. Hendrik who thinks all politicians are power hungry egotists who have no idea about the real world Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Before I have said NO politics on the list. I have decided to lift this restriction as long as everyone keeps it civil and no flame wars. If one starts, I will shut it down. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrik who thinks all politicians are power hungry egotists who have no idea about the real world Hear, hear. I imagine that's something most of us can agree with despite our differences! As somebody said, the desire to hold public office ought to instantly disqualify you from it. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
Your forgot to add OT. Ed 300E On 04/04/2008, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And mark the post as OT so the rest of us don't have to trawl through the crap. What happens to a politician if you feed him viagra? He grows taller. Hendrik who thinks all politicians are power hungry egotists who have no idea about the real world Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Before I have said NO politics on the list. I have decided to lift this restriction as long as everyone keeps it civil and no flame wars. If one starts, I will shut it down. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Police and Aggressive Behaviour
in my order of preference, D, C, A, forget B, that is a very dangerous thing Loren Faeth wrote: Choose the best answer: a. Hillary Clinton b. Barak Hussein Obama c. John McCain d. none of the above At 08:37 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote: My OPINION: Wake up America or you will some day come out of your stupor to find WACO being the norm. Dave H... Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
As much as I hate to, I agree with you on this statement. I shake my head when people talk about how George W. is the devil incarnate. As though any other politician is nobler. It is scary how many folks right now are riding this feel good wave that is Obamaism. Brian On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And mark the post as OT so the rest of us don't have to trawl through the crap. What happens to a politician if you feed him viagra? He grows taller. Hendrik who thinks all politicians are power hungry egotists who have no idea about the real world Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Before I have said NO politics on the list. I have decided to lift this restriction as long as everyone keeps it civil and no flame wars. If one starts, I will shut it down. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SDL won't move
buy a used one Luther wrote: So, I just got off the phone with our MBCA Tech advisor and the diagnosis is tranny rebuild time. It's a bad govenor. Since the govenor drives the speedo, which then drives the cruise, that explains no sound and no slipping when the cruise just quit. Ugh. Rusty's quote is $1895, $125-150 shipping for his 2 year, unlimited mileage warranty transmission. Ugh. Now I gotta make some calls and transfer some money Luther On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:36:42 -0600, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not so fast, the filter was firmly in place yesterday afternoon Luther On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:11:09 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/3/2008 3:19:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But why no reverse If you are real lucky, the filter dropped off the pump inlet and the rattling noise is air bubbles going through the system Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 155 K miles -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
send me a generator LWB250 wrote: Back to the emergency/standby generator business. I did this for 20 years before becoming a stay-at-home Dad and going back to school. The guy I'm going to work with is a former business partner. Back in the mid 80s one of the partners decided he wanted to live like the CEO of a Fortune 500 company before we quite made it, and ran us into receivership. I bailed and went to work for a BIG corporation (Kohler Co.) swearing that I would never sacrifice my personal efforts and assets again. My former partner scraped, begged and borrowed to buy the assets from the receiver, and started right back up. He has been very successful, the business is very profitable, well capitalized, and owns everything it has outright (building, land, inventory, vehicles, etc.) We have talked about this casually for years, but the time was right, so my 10 year sabbatical is over, and now I'm going back Dan --- Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:05 AM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is the potential for a future Indy 'Q. Congrats, Dan, sounds like a positive change. May I ask what the nature of the business is that you're getting back into? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: send me a generator Is your power still out? ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '86 300E alternator
Not very hard Alex Chamberlain wrote: How hard is it to change out a 300E alternator? I'm sorely tempted by this ad. Looks pretty good for Kaleb money... http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/630253697.html Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
The thing that made JFK such a great president was the fact that he got shot. I bet if that never happened and lived a normal life, he would have been considered a bad president. R A Bennell wrote: However, few would deny that John and Jackie Kennedy are among the most respected whitehouse couples and the evidence now indicates he wasn't really much different than Bill. Just a different time and less respect from the press. Others have done similar - Bill just got caught and exposed. Randy -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 81 300TD smashed today in hit and run
And the end result of that would have been what? No stars for you, cops have to do paperwork, 'kids' end up with criminal record over something stupid which may well lead them right off the rails, over worked justice system has more work, blah blah blah. Sure at that age they should know better but if they are really bad kids then they will end up in jail. Anyway remember to a parent a child will always be a child, whether they are 2 or 22. Hendrik with two genuine kids at 7 and 12 Tom Hargrave wrote: kids were trembling. I found out later that the kids were 21 22 years old - hardly kids at all. I should have looked closer at the license and should have pressed charges. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
Banned just lost its reason for existing. Other than the F word. On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before I have said NO politics on the list. I have decided to lift this restriction as long as everyone keeps it civil and no flame wars. If one starts, I will shut it down. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
Some people might want to discuss current issues in a more civilized manner than what banned offers. Banned is a dog eat dog world. Wonko the Sane wrote: Banned just lost its reason for existing. Other than the F word. On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before I have said NO politics on the list. I have decided to lift this restriction as long as everyone keeps it civil and no flame wars. If one starts, I will shut it down. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
Write me back with an opinion when you have actually talked to the man. I have. Dubya is NOT the Devil.He is more appropriate for the 'disabled' workshop where I work. I still can't believe he managed to fly an aircraft. D. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As much as I hate to, I agree with you on this statement. I shake my head when people talk about how George W. is the devil incarnate. As though any other politician is nobler. It is scary how many folks right now are riding this feel good wave that is Obamaism. Brian -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
what does talking to the man have to do with the price of tea in china? Wonko the Sane wrote: Write me back with an opinion when you have actually talked to the man. I have. Dubya is NOT the Devil.He is more appropriate for the 'disabled' workshop where I work. I still can't believe he managed to fly an aircraft. D. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As much as I hate to, I agree with you on this statement. I shake my head when people talk about how George W. is the devil incarnate. As though any other politician is nobler. It is scary how many folks right now are riding this feel good wave that is Obamaism. Brian -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
Ever since I quit drinking coffee and switched to herbal tea, the price of tea is very important to me. But to answer your question, there is a big difference between watching a commercial and looking into a man/(woman)'s eyes in real time. I am a pretty good judge of character -- occupational hazard. I think Obama is the real thing, and I am betting my grandchildren's future on my judgment. D. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does talking to the man have to do with the price of tea in china? Wonko the Sane wrote: Write me back with an opinion when you have actually talked to the man. I have. Dubya is NOT the Devil.He is more appropriate for the 'disabled' workshop where I work. I still can't believe he managed to fly an aircraft. D. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As much as I hate to, I agree with you on this statement. I shake my head when people talk about how George W. is the devil incarnate. As though any other politician is nobler. It is scary how many folks right now are riding this feel good wave that is Obamaism. Brian -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
I have never watched any commercials, I do not get my info from ads. I just hope you are right about him if he gets in by some chance. I fear you are wrong though. Wonko the Sane wrote: Ever since I quit drinking coffee and switched to herbal tea, the price of tea is very important to me. But to answer your question, there is a big difference between watching a commercial and looking into a man/(woman)'s eyes in real time. I am a pretty good judge of character -- occupational hazard. I think Obama is the real thing, and I am betting my grandchildren's future on my judgment. D. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does talking to the man have to do with the price of tea in china? Wonko the Sane wrote: Write me back with an opinion when you have actually talked to the man. I have. Dubya is NOT the Devil.He is more appropriate for the 'disabled' workshop where I work. I still can't believe he managed to fly an aircraft. D. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As much as I hate to, I agree with you on this statement. I shake my head when people talk about how George W. is the devil incarnate. As though any other politician is nobler. It is scary how many folks right now are riding this feel good wave that is Obamaism. Brian -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Another Waco beginning?
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdMpRHjN4hpNKBhfYyAsR4DDo4QD8VRBCAG0 This all sounds very eerily familiar Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q
And where would this establishment be? -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 20Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 89 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:56:19 -0600, you wrote: Maybe but a good one is hard to beat. Of course, I really like bread so maybe it follows that I would like the Yorkshire pudding too. We have a local restaurant that does a real nice prime rib and the dinner always comes with a real nice Yorkshire pudding and juice to dip it in. That and a bit of horseradish to go with the beef and a bit of red wine and I don't care if I get the potatoe and veggies. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frederick W Moir Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chowda'Q Curt et al. For Yorkshire pudding read popover with gravy (brown). It was originally designed to fill up the diners before the meat course so that they would eat less meat! 'ear all see all and say nowt Eat all supp all and pay nowt And if thar ever does owt for nowt Do it for thar sen. Old Yorkshire saying. sound almost Scottish, no? Fred Moir Lynn MA At 04:13 PM 4/3/2008, you wrote: Can you make an actual Yorkshire pudding? I had it twice in Yorkshire back in '87 and never since. Party at Fred's house! -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
LWB250 wrote: Why mess with a patch panel and all the related hassles when a new fender is $158? No professional bodyman is going to work on a $160 fender, because his labor would be more than the new part. If you weld in a patch, you still have to paint the thing, so no savings there. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB
Then I assume you feel the same way about not only Kennedy but also Eisenhower, and the list no doubt goes on and on. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB Well I know if mine came unzipped I would not have the need, ability, or interest to unzip it again as the necessary means to carry through would be severely compromised. But, yes, personal responsibility is the key, and enforcement when it doesn't work, if it is important to the couple. There is also that little aspect that as president, everyone involved has a responsibility to live up to the honor of the office. In their case, it doesn't seem like fidelity and honor toward one another is a factor. Makes me wonder how someone(s) like that could have honor/respect in the office and respect to the American people they represent, but I think the answer to that is clear. In the Bill and Hill case, it was ongoing, so yeah, I think it was her responsibility to make sure it did not happen again and again and again when he was incapable of behaving responsibly, if for no other reason than family honor or consideration of their child, even if it wasn't his. And yes I think it is a spouse's job to keep the other from straying, by daily actions and behavior toward one another, not necessarily by constant oversight unless you got a Bill type to cover. You really have to work at it every day, and sometimes it is hard work to do so. --R Bill R wrote: Interesting that you feel it is your wife's job to keep your pants zipped. Is it also your job to keep her from other men? I always liked the idea of personal responsibility myself. BillR -Original Message- From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 4/4/08 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Doctors, Gun owners, Lawyers and Why I drive an MB Hillary did a great job of keeping things (i.e., Slick's zipper) in the White House under control, I'm sure she will be able to run govt health care, when she is not dodging sniper fire. --R Rory wrote: In case you may have not noticed, the government already runs one health care organization, VA Anyone? Since they do such a stellar job with that oe, I'm sure they can handle the rest of the population. US Government health care, combining all the efficiency of the US Government, with all the compassion of the IRS!) Not ME! On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think things are bad now, wait until all the doctors are government employees. Allan -- 1983 300D Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not intentional I am sure, but errors from fatigue, guessing about the correct medication rather than looking it up, incorrect diagnosis, a slip during surgery - yes to those. I don't think that I would feel much better if I lost my spouse or a child to a medical mistake rather than a bullet. In fact, given the lingering death some medical errors cause, in some cases the bullet could be better. All things being equal [meaning you lose a loved one] errors vs evil intent might be easier to live with, might not. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
THe reason I would consider it is to gain some more skill with the welder. But lately, time is scarce and I tend to agree that $158 is money well spent in this situation. I have a heat gun to help soften the sealer if that's a problem. Allan -- 1983 300D Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LWB250 wrote: Why mess with a patch panel and all the related hassles when a new fender is $158? No professional bodyman is going to work on a $160 fender, because his labor would be more than the new part. If you weld in a patch, you still have to paint the thing, so no savings there. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
I've been in this game for decades. I take it very seriously. I am right. This guy is the real deal. I don't just trust Obama with the balance of my lfe (maybe 20 years), I am trusting him with the futures of my kids and step-daughter (ask Luther) and my so-far two grandchildren. Talking face to face with Obama is not far removed from talking to Little Tommy.Very calm and rational and intelligent.Except for the skin color, they could be twins. Very similar. Unlike McCain and Hillary, I don't think Obama is in this for ego. I think he really wants to fix things. My bet is on that philosophy. D. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never watched any commercials, I do not get my info from ads. I just hope you are right about him if he gets in by some chance. I fear you are wrong though. Wonko the Sane wrote: Ever since I quit drinking coffee and switched to herbal tea, the price of tea is very important to me. But to answer your question, there is a big difference between watching a commercial and looking into a man/(woman)'s eyes in real time. I am a pretty good judge of character -- occupational hazard. I think Obama is the real thing, and I am betting my grandchildren's future on my judgment. D. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does talking to the man have to do with the price of tea in china? Wonko the Sane wrote: Write me back with an opinion when you have actually talked to the man. I have. Dubya is NOT the Devil.He is more appropriate for the 'disabled' workshop where I work. I still can't believe he managed to fly an aircraft. D. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As much as I hate to, I agree with you on this statement. I shake my head when people talk about how George W. is the devil incarnate. As though any other politician is nobler. It is scary how many folks right now are riding this feel good wave that is Obamaism. Brian -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] E320 Air Bag Message
Yesterday I was allowed to drive the new E320 to the old nuke plant. When it was time to leave, one of my trainees could start his car and he asked for a jump. It was funny to watch him and everyone else that was nearby in the parking lot wonder what the heck I was doing when I was backing up towards the front of his old bomb. Oddly, I now randomly, when no one is in the front seat, get the message that the passenger air bag is deactivated when no one is in the front seat. When some one is I the seat, no message. Earlier in the week I never got that message when the front seat was empty. What the heck? Bob R '05 E320 45K '77 300D 192K resting in the garage ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
Wonko the Sane wrote: But to answer your question, there is a big difference between watching a commercial and looking into a man/(woman)'s eyes in real time. I am a pretty good judge of character -- occupational hazard. And successful politicians are pretty good con men. Bill Clinton and probably Osama have the additional advantage of genius IQ, and their EQ is off the charts. I stand by my earlier statement that Osama's only two achievements are getting all his opponents knocked off a ballot, and making pretty speech. The one thing that totally disqualifies him is his penchant for avoiding controversial votes in the senate by voting present. I'm here, but I'm not going to DO anything is not an option for the POTUS. Dubya has made a concerted effort to evade constitutional limitations on his power, in a way that makes me think he hates my country more than I can imagine. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Repair fenders or replace?
Once the fenders are off, if you want to practice, you may find some stuff behind the fenders to weld. If the welds are less the great, not to worry, they'll be hidden once the new fenders go on. If you go with new fenders, you can always keep the old ones and mess around practicing your welds too. Ed 300E On 04/04/2008, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THe reason I would consider it is to gain some more skill with the welder. But lately, time is scarce and I tend to agree that $158 is money well spent in this situation. I have a heat gun to help soften the sealer if that's a problem. Allan -- 1983 300D Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LWB250 wrote: Why mess with a patch panel and all the related hassles when a new fender is $158? No professional bodyman is going to work on a $160 fender, because his labor would be more than the new part. If you weld in a patch, you still have to paint the thing, so no savings there. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
Wonko the Sane wrote: Unlike McCain and Hillary, I don't think Obama is in this for ego. I think he really wants to fix things. My bet is on that philosophy. I think Karl Marx and Vladimir Ulyanov really believed in change too. I think Josef Stalin and Adolf Hitler were in it for the power. I think all four of them did considerable damage, and I think Osama will too. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gasser Eye-talian Tune-ups
Now that my 300D is resting in the garage for a spell, I'm driving the '87 Acura Legend (192K, auto) to the old nuke plant. Today I came upon idiots from CA driving 71 mph in the left lane with the right lane clear. I got in the right lane and mashed the foot feed to the floor and that Acura belched out the most impressive black cloud of goo I've ever seen. It kept pouring out for almost five seconds, until I eased up on the gas. Very cool. Marshall was smiling. So my question is: now that SHMBO has driven this Acura for six years do I need to start driving this thing like I stole it? Bob R '05 E320 45K '87 Acura Legend 192K '77 300D 192K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Politics on the list
I started getting into this in '68. You know what was happening those days! Someone is going to be President. It is down to the choice between three. Of the three, I like Obama most. I see the Prez as almost a figurehead, someone to give pep talks to the nation. Obama woudl be best at this. Congress really has the power. D On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: But to answer your question, there is a big difference between watching a commercial and looking into a man/(woman)'s eyes in real time. I am a pretty good judge of character -- occupational hazard. And successful politicians are pretty good con men. Bill Clinton and probably Osama have the additional advantage of genius IQ, and their EQ is off the charts. I stand by my earlier statement that Osama's only two achievements are getting all his opponents knocked off a ballot, and making pretty speech. The one thing that totally disqualifies him is his penchant for avoiding controversial votes in the senate by voting present. I'm here, but I'm not going to DO anything is not an option for the POTUS. Dubya has made a concerted effort to evade constitutional limitations on his power, in a way that makes me think he hates my country more than I can imagine. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gasser Eye-talian Tune-ups
Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So my question is: now that SHMBO has driven this Acura for six years do I need to start driving this thing like I stole it? As long as it's in otherwise good shape, e.g. the timing belt is not about to snap, it'll probably do it some good to blow the cobwebs out. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
