[MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

2009-06-03 Thread Zoltan Finks
I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke out the
tailpipe. Then I smell the burning oil.

Just when she accelerates.

Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.

Filled it after it sat for a weekend, and hoped it wouldn't smoke as much
when cool. But the first slight hill she climbed, there was the smoke and
smell.

The thing still starts right up and runs normally.

Oh Well!

Now we are weighing getting the engine fixed vs. just going a different
direction.

We just need a reliable car that gets the best mileage possible.

Wonder how much the ring job would be?

Or what else I can do to help the thing last a while.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

2009-06-03 Thread Tyler
Is it a Turbo? What kind of oil do you use? Have you checked the  
crankcase breather? Does it make any unusual noises at idle? How many  
miles?


Sincerely,
Tyler

On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke  
out the

tailpipe. Then I smell the burning oil.

Just when she accelerates.

Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.

Filled it after it sat for a weekend, and hoped it wouldn't smoke as  
much
when cool. But the first slight hill she climbed, there was the  
smoke and

smell.

The thing still starts right up and runs normally.

Oh Well!

Now we are weighing getting the engine fixed vs. just going a  
different

direction.

We just need a reliable car that gets the best mileage possible.

Wonder how much the ring job would be?

Or what else I can do to help the thing last a while.

Brian


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[MBZ] Carfax please WDBAB93A9CN006313

2009-06-03 Thread David Bruckmann
WDBAB93A9CN006313

Thank you!

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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

2009-06-03 Thread Zoltan Finks
It's the 2.5 non-turbo.

I recently switched to Mobil 1 15/50.

Haven't checked the crankcase breather. Could that being clogged cause this?

For some time, it has made a ticking at idle and at cruising. Lately, I have
suspected it has been more noticeable at cruising.

Odometer stopped at 279k mi. I reckon it's up around 300k now.

Brian

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:

 Is it a Turbo? What kind of oil do you use? Have you checked the crankcase
 breather? Does it make any unusual noises at idle? How many miles?

 Sincerely,
 Tyler


 On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

  I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke out
 the
 tailpipe. Then I smell the burning oil.

 Just when she accelerates.

 Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.

 Filled it after it sat for a weekend, and hoped it wouldn't smoke as much
 when cool. But the first slight hill she climbed, there was the smoke and
 smell.

 The thing still starts right up and runs normally.

 Oh Well!

 Now we are weighing getting the engine fixed vs. just going a different
 direction.

 We just need a reliable car that gets the best mileage possible.

 Wonder how much the ring job would be?

 Or what else I can do to help the thing last a while.

 Brian


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Re: [MBZ] methanol........the fuel of the future from the past

2009-06-03 Thread Allan Streib
The energy carried by methanol is less than was needed to make it

This is the problem with almost all of these so-called alternative fuels, 
they are not energy sources but are only a storage medium for energy generated 
elsewhere, with the attendant losses dictated by the laws of thermodynamics.  
Though, they do say that the energy losses making methanol are less than 
electrolyzing water to make hydrogen.

Methanol is also quite toxic, this issue was not mentioned at all that I saw.


On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:38 +0930, Hendrik  Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
 http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17240-methanol-challenges-hydrogen-to-be-fuel-of-the-future.html?DCMP=OTC-rssnsref=online-news
 
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

2009-06-03 Thread Allan Streib
Is this the one that had the bad thermostat, and was running cold all the time?

Allan


On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:40 -0700, Zoltan Finks msuchpo...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 It's the 2.5 non-turbo.
 
 I recently switched to Mobil 1 15/50.
 
 Haven't checked the crankcase breather. Could that being clogged cause
 this?
 
 For some time, it has made a ticking at idle and at cruising. Lately, I
 have
 suspected it has been more noticeable at cruising.
 
 Odometer stopped at 279k mi. I reckon it's up around 300k now.
 
 Brian
 
 On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:
 
  Is it a Turbo? What kind of oil do you use? Have you checked the crankcase
  breather? Does it make any unusual noises at idle? How many miles?
 
  Sincerely,
  Tyler
 
 
  On Jun 2, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
 
   I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke out
  the
  tailpipe. Then I smell the burning oil.
 
  Just when she accelerates.
 
  Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.
 
  Filled it after it sat for a weekend, and hoped it wouldn't smoke as much
  when cool. But the first slight hill she climbed, there was the smoke and
  smell.
 
  The thing still starts right up and runs normally.
 
  Oh Well!
 
  Now we are weighing getting the engine fixed vs. just going a different
  direction.
 
  We just need a reliable car that gets the best mileage possible.
 
  Wonder how much the ring job would be?
 
  Or what else I can do to help the thing last a while.
 
  Brian
 
 
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[MBZ] OT: Terabytes

2009-06-03 Thread Mitch Haley

WD Caviar 1TB, $80 shipped, twice the cache of my new Hitachi.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822136317

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Starter Problems

2009-06-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

right

OK Don wrote:

Disconnect the battery ground connection first ---
  


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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

2009-06-03 Thread Curt Raymond
Did you ever get the thermostat fixed? Carboned up rings would make this happen.

How long did it take to get down 1.5 qts of oil? What kind of oil? How long 
using that oil? All those factors will come into play. If using a lighter M1 
formulation (like 5w40) you might try a heavier weight like 15w50. You might 
try a conventional oil (Delvac 1300 15w40) too.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:12:25 -0700
From: Zoltan Finks msuchpo...@gmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
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I'm following the wife as she drives our 87 190D and I notice smoke out the
tailpipe. Then I smell the burning oil.

Just when she accelerates.

Checked and it was about 1.5 qt. low on oil.

Filled it after it sat for a weekend, and hoped it wouldn't smoke as much
when cool. But the first slight hill she climbed, there was the smoke and
smell.

The thing still starts right up and runs normally.

Oh Well!

Now we are weighing getting the engine fixed vs. just going a different
direction.

We just need a reliable car that gets the best mileage possible.

Wonder how much the ring job would be?

Or what else I can do to help the thing last a while.

Brian


  
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

2009-06-03 Thread Curt Raymond
DING!

How recently? How hard have you been driving it? You did have a bad thermostat 
at some point not all that long ago didn't you? I seem to remember that.

I'd guess your carboned up rings are starting to let go of the carbon resulting 
in them seating badly as the carbon comes off unevenly. In which case the 
solution is to drive it like you stole it and keep shorter oil change intervals 
until it clears up.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:40:16 -0700
From: Zoltan Finks msuchpo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
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It's the 2.5 non-turbo.

I recently switched to Mobil 1 15/50.

Haven't checked the crankcase breather. Could that being clogged cause this?

For some time, it has made a ticking at idle and at cruising. Lately, I have
suspected it has been more noticeable at cruising.

Odometer stopped at 279k mi. I reckon it's up around 300k now.

Brian


  
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

2009-06-03 Thread LWB250

Yup.  Time for the proverbial Italian Tune-Up.

Or, as my kids like to say, Drive it like a rental!

Dan

--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
 To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 9:51 AM
 DING!
 
 How recently? How hard have you been driving it? You did
 have a bad thermostat at some point not all that long ago
 didn't you? I seem to remember that.
 
 I'd guess your carboned up rings are starting to let go of
 the carbon resulting in them seating badly as the carbon
 comes off unevenly. In which case the solution is to drive
 it like you stole it and keep shorter oil change intervals
 until it clears up.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:40:16 -0700
 From: Zoltan Finks msuchpo...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Message-ID:
     65200d420906030240i1714e42mc3ca08d40dc7d...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 It's the 2.5 non-turbo.
 
 I recently switched to Mobil 1 15/50.
 
 Haven't checked the crankcase breather. Could that being
 clogged cause this?
 
 For some time, it has made a ticking at idle and at
 cruising. Lately, I have
 suspected it has been more noticeable at cruising.
 
 Odometer stopped at 279k mi. I reckon it's up around 300k
 now.
 
 Brian
 
 
       
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Re: [MBZ] Carfax please

2009-06-03 Thread andrew strasfogel
Probably a sedan, which is a 300D.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:10 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  At least tell us what MODEL it is!
 
  On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:20 AM, David Bruckmann 
  bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote:
 
   WDBAB93A9CN006313
 

 1982 Mercedes-Benz 300DT, according to Vin Hunter.

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[MBZ] another carfax request

2009-06-03 Thread andrew strasfogel
Anyone have an active account?  I'd be happy to chip in since this is my
second request.

1985 300TD station wagon
VIN WDBAB93C7FF035664
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

2009-06-03 Thread Luther
How can you justify keeping shorter oil change intervals when the car 
burns 1qt/150-200mi like my coupe? 


Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:

DING!

How recently? How hard have you been driving it? You did have a bad thermostat 
at some point not all that long ago didn't you? I seem to remember that.

I'd guess your carboned up rings are starting to let go of the carbon resulting 
in them seating badly as the carbon comes off unevenly. In which case the 
solution is to drive it like you stole it and keep shorter oil change intervals 
until it clears up.

-Curt
  

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Re: [MBZ] Testing, testing.

2009-06-03 Thread Rich Thomas

no

--R

winmutt wrote:

Is this thing working yet?

-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

2009-06-03 Thread Zoltan Finks
We changed to Mobil 1 15/50 oh, maybe two months and a couple thousand miles
ago, maybe a bit less.

We haven't been driving it very hard I think. My wife probably drives it
moderately - pushes the pedal as hard as she needs to to get it up hills
without falling behind. She accelerates with the normal flow of traffic. But
nothing considered hard driving.

Yes, the thing was running too cool since we got it. I changed the
thermostat, oh, maybe 5 months and 3 - 4 thousand miles ago? Maybe less.

I have to say this is a glimmer of hope. I tend to be fatalistic about our
cars  especially when they have 300k mi. on them.

Not being that mechanically inclined, or at least experienced, I am just
sick and tired of worrying about our cars. So at this point I am just
throwing my hands up and saying let's get a newer reliable car and I will no
longer be on worry patrol.

We have been looking at Civics, and lusting after a new Insight.

Now we got advice to look into a new Ford Focus - especially in the current
auto market.

Of course, I also was thinking about fixing the engine and keeping the 190,
because we love it and already own it. And it's a classic (in my mind) and
drives and handles great and is more classy and unique than some run of the
mill newer car.

Thoughts?

Brian

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 DING!

 How recently? How hard have you been driving it? You did have a bad
 thermostat at some point not all that long ago didn't you? I seem to
 remember that.

 I'd guess your carboned up rings are starting to let go of the carbon
 resulting in them seating badly as the carbon comes off unevenly. In which
 case the solution is to drive it like you stole it and keep shorter oil
 change intervals until it clears up.

 -Curt

 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:40:16 -0700
 From: Zoltan Finks msuchpo...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Message-ID:
 65200d420906030240i1714e42mc3ca08d40dc7d...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

 It's the 2.5 non-turbo.

 I recently switched to Mobil 1 15/50.

 Haven't checked the crankcase breather. Could that being clogged cause
 this?

 For some time, it has made a ticking at idle and at cruising. Lately, I
 have
 suspected it has been more noticeable at cruising.

 Odometer stopped at 279k mi. I reckon it's up around 300k now.

 Brian



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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

2009-06-03 Thread tyler

You'd probably be better off with 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck than 15w50.

There's a good chance that your oil burning is caused by stuck rings. I 
would try to run it hard as often as possible, and keep running Mobil 1 
(hopefully 5w40). The carbon could clean out, and your compression return.


If your crankcase breather is clogged, it can also cause the blowby 
gases to force out past the oil seals, and make the engine blow oil out 
on the ground. This could be the cause of your oil loss, and the blue 
smoke could be an injection system issue.


I suppose it is possible for the engine to be just worn out also, with 
300k miles!


Tyler

Zoltan Finks wrote:

We changed to Mobil 1 15/50 oh, maybe two months and a couple thousand miles
ago, maybe a bit less.

We haven't been driving it very hard I think. My wife probably drives it
moderately - pushes the pedal as hard as she needs to to get it up hills
without falling behind. She accelerates with the normal flow of traffic. But
nothing considered hard driving.

Yes, the thing was running too cool since we got it. I changed the
thermostat, oh, maybe 5 months and 3 - 4 thousand miles ago? Maybe less.

I have to say this is a glimmer of hope. I tend to be fatalistic about our
cars  especially when they have 300k mi. on them.

Not being that mechanically inclined, or at least experienced, I am just
sick and tired of worrying about our cars. So at this point I am just
throwing my hands up and saying let's get a newer reliable car and I will no
longer be on worry patrol.

We have been looking at Civics, and lusting after a new Insight.

Now we got advice to look into a new Ford Focus - especially in the current
auto market.

Of course, I also was thinking about fixing the engine and keeping the 190,
because we love it and already own it. And it's a classic (in my mind) and
drives and handles great and is more classy and unique than some run of the
mill newer car.

Thoughts?

Brian


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Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage

2009-06-03 Thread MG
Well part of that is good now. At least the cars start. The garage 
cleaning fairy is here already. My problem is keeping her out of the 
garage. If she gets in there I'll probably have to replace half of my 
tools and no knowing how much of the other 'IMPORTANT STUFF' will be 
gone. I'm hoping that I can keep her under control till the dome is 
done and then it won't matter any more. It'll be out of sight out of 
mind then. ;-)


For the furniture all you have to do is call Goodwill and it will be 
gone. For the rest I'll ask and see if she wants to play there. Be 
aware that your garbage cans will be full. It's dangerous, kind of 
like inviting the Huns or Mongols over for a little sack without the 
mess afterwards.


Manfred




Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:01:09 -0400
From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage


Nah - you will have the dome home done in no time [relatively 
speaking], and

then your entire existence will fall into place ... cars will start, you
will be able to fly you plane once more ... That or the garage cleaning
fairy might pay a visit some night ...  If she/he does, hang on to 
them for

me.  I need my office done [and a apartment worth of furniture stored in
there to vanish.
No matter, it makes such as me feel right at home.
BillR

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Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage

2009-06-03 Thread tyler

Mine as well!

I have a strange feeling that the same could be said for many listmembers.

Tyler

OK Don wrote:

You described our household exactly!

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote:

  

My darling wife and I are living proof that a theoretical thinker [packrat]
who sees possible uses for just about everything, and a lady who is likely
to toss her keys if she is not driving today can coexist without violence.
The fact that neither of us like cleaning is probably the crossover
condition that allows domestic tranquility.  Not having a garage to store
stuff in also is a factor, as we could seldom put a car in one when we did.
BillR






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Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage

2009-06-03 Thread Bill R
Yes, probably you are correct.  I would have to say that this thread has
caused some concern about Lt. Don aka Monk.  If he didn't have his
politics straight I would really worry about him.
BillR

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On Behalf Of tyler
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage

Mine as well!

I have a strange feeling that the same could be said for many listmembers.

Tyler

OK Don wrote:
 You described our household exactly!

 On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote:

   
 My darling wife and I are living proof that a theoretical thinker
[packrat]
 who sees possible uses for just about everything, and a lady who is
likely
 to toss her keys if she is not driving today can coexist without
violence.
 The fact that neither of us like cleaning is probably the crossover
 condition that allows domestic tranquility.  Not having a garage to store
 stuff in also is a factor, as we could seldom put a car in one when we
did.
 BillR

 


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Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage

2009-06-03 Thread Bill R
When we last had a two car [6 free-standing shelves plus a lot of boxes]
garage It was a bit on the crowded side.  When I was gone one weekend my
kids came in and cleared it out almost completely, shelving units and all.
I didn't miss most of it, though the edging attachment to my weed eater was
a loss, and I rescued a few items from the trash.  All in all I got over it
- either that or it was the cause of my heart attack in 2004.  No matter...I
can always collect stuff, though I have a lot less of it these days.
BillR  

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On Behalf Of MG
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:35 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage

Well part of that is good now. At least the cars start. The garage 
cleaning fairy is here already. My problem is keeping her out of the 
garage. If she gets in there I'll probably have to replace half of my 
tools and no knowing how much of the other 'IMPORTANT STUFF' will be 
gone. I'm hoping that I can keep her under control till the dome is 
done and then it won't matter any more. It'll be out of sight out of 
mind then. ;-)

For the furniture all you have to do is call Goodwill and it will be 
gone. For the rest I'll ask and see if she wants to play there. Be 
aware that your garbage cans will be full. It's dangerous, kind of 
like inviting the Huns or Mongols over for a little sack without the 
mess afterwards.

Manfred




Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:01:09 -0400
From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage


Nah - you will have the dome home done in no time [relatively 
speaking], and
then your entire existence will fall into place ... cars will start, you
will be able to fly you plane once more ... That or the garage cleaning
fairy might pay a visit some night ...  If she/he does, hang on to 
them for
me.  I need my office done [and a apartment worth of furniture stored in
there to vanish.
No matter, it makes such as me feel right at home.
BillR

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Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage

2009-06-03 Thread Mitch Haley

Bill R wrote:

Yes, probably you are correct.  I would have to say that this thread has
caused some concern about Lt. Don aka Monk.  If he didn't have his
politics straight I would really worry about him.


I thought he was a delegate for that nice young Indonesian fellow?
Barry Soetoro or something like that? ;-)

Mitch.

Mitch.



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[MBZ] OT Ford Focus

2009-06-03 Thread Zoltan Finks
Hey all,

Below, I'm pasting in what I wrote in the thread about our 190D starting to
burn oil.

I'm hoping to get any input on newer, and the new Ford Focus.

We have had a 96 or so Civic and wonder how the new ones are too.

But price-wise we would probably not buy a new Civic.

Any experience with the Focus among the group?

Or any other suggestions for a newer compact with good fuel mileage?

Brian

We have been looking at Civics, and lusting after a new Insight.

Now we got advice to look into a new Ford Focus - especially in the current
auto market.

Of course, I also was thinking about fixing the engine and keeping the 190,
because we love it and already own it. And it's a classic (in my mind) and
drives and handles great and is more classy and unique than some run of the
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[MBZ] Mobil 1 at Walmart

2009-06-03 Thread LarryT
While in W'Mart yesterday I noticed a couple of Gallon jugs of 5W40 
Turbo/Diesel Oil on sale for 1/2 price of $11.  Bought both gallons for the 
300D ;-) but couldn;t find any other jugs.  

Is Walmart dropping this flavor of M1?  Or is Mobil dropping it?

As soon as I get really acclimated to someting it is taken away! Sheesh!

Happy Mercedes,
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus

2009-06-03 Thread Wonko the Sane
Co-worker has one (unsure of the year) and it has been bullet-proof. The
driver's seat gave out on her, but that might have been due to other issues
beyond manufacturing and quality control.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Zoltan Finks msuchpo...@gmail.comwrote:


 Any experience with the Focus among the group?





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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

2009-06-03 Thread LarryT
Tyler's suggestions are very good.  Diesels like to be driven hard - they 
like to be driven long distances and to be fully warmed up.  Short trips at 
moderate/slow speeds are bad on diesels as well as gas engines as that kind 
of driving doesn't get the oil warmed enough to burn off any condensation 
that will naturally form in all engines.  If it's not burned of it stays and 
mixes with the oil reducing the oils ability to lubricate.


If it were me, I'd change the oil to the M1 5W40 mentioned and add the 
proper amount of Marvel Mystery Oil (a long time favorite of mine) to help 
free the rings.  While it;s true the Mobil has its own additives, a little 
extra once in a while - especially on an older engine will help it along. 
Some will say the MMO is not needed - to each his own.


When an engine gets old one of the inescapable problems will be hard 
starting in the winter  -  my 78 240D only used a quart of oil every 2000 mi 
or so - and it didn;t have visible smoke except at night when I revved it 
out and there were headlights behind me - then one cold day it would not 
start no matter what I did.  Turned out to have almost zero compression on 3 
of 4 cylinders.  When I rebuilt it I found the 3 bad cylinders all had a 
broken top ring - the pistons and liners were all replaced.


The point of the above is - the engine seemed fine until one day when it 
would no longer start - from OK to bad in 1 day/


It's possible Tyler is right about the rings being stuck - once they are 
loosened the oil burning may stop or be reduced.


IMO your family is much safer in a older MB than a new Ford ---

Good luck
LarryT
78 240D
91 300D

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil



You'd probably be better off with 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck than 15w50.

There's a good chance that your oil burning is caused by stuck rings. I 
would try to run it hard as often as possible, and keep running Mobil 1 
(hopefully 5w40). The carbon could clean out, and your compression return.


If your crankcase breather is clogged, it can also cause the blowby gases 
to force out past the oil seals, and make the engine blow oil out on the 
ground. This could be the cause of your oil loss, and the blue smoke could 
be an injection system issue.


I suppose it is possible for the engine to be just worn out also, with 
300k miles!


Tyler

Zoltan Finks wrote:
We changed to Mobil 1 15/50 oh, maybe two months and a couple thousand 
miles

ago, maybe a bit less.

We haven't been driving it very hard I think. My wife probably drives it
moderately - pushes the pedal as hard as she needs to to get it up hills
without falling behind. She accelerates with the normal flow of traffic. 
But

nothing considered hard driving.

Yes, the thing was running too cool since we got it. I changed the
thermostat, oh, maybe 5 months and 3 - 4 thousand miles ago? Maybe less.

I have to say this is a glimmer of hope. I tend to be fatalistic about 
our

cars  especially when they have 300k mi. on them.

Not being that mechanically inclined, or at least experienced, I am just
sick and tired of worrying about our cars. So at this point I am just
throwing my hands up and saying let's get a newer reliable car and I will 
no

longer be on worry patrol.

We have been looking at Civics, and lusting after a new Insight.

Now we got advice to look into a new Ford Focus - especially in the 
current

auto market.

Of course, I also was thinking about fixing the engine and keeping the 
190,
because we love it and already own it. And it's a classic (in my mind) 
and
drives and handles great and is more classy and unique than some run of 
the

mill newer car.

Thoughts?

Brian


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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 at Walmart

2009-06-03 Thread Fmiser
 LarryT wrote:

 While in W'Mart yesterday I noticed a couple of Gallon jugs of
 5W40 Turbo/Diesel Oil on sale for 1/2 price of $11.  Bought
 both gallons for the 300D ;-) but couldn;t find any other
 jugs.  

Last time I looked at my local WalMart they didn't have any
Mobil1 that was thicker that xW30. None.

Oh well. I should be surprised. After all, it's Wal-Mart.  Sam
is surely spinning in his grave...

-- Philip

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[MBZ] Test - user unknown?

2009-06-03 Thread WILTON
Yeah, yeah, I know, I may have failed, but I've been getting user unknown 
replies for my msgs to okiebenz.com today.  If ya wanna tell me I failed, it'll 
show that this test worked, so go right ahead.  ;))

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Test - user unknown?

2009-06-03 Thread WILTON

'Looks like it worked!

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Test - user unknown?


Yeah, yeah, I know, I may have failed, but I've been getting user 
unknown replies for my msgs to okiebenz.com today.  If ya wanna tell me I 
failed, it'll show that this test worked, so go right ahead.  ;))


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[MBZ] Short list of things I am doing on my w123 this 32nd birthday weekend.

2009-06-03 Thread Rolf Martin-Hoster

Installing new clutch/flywheel using the GWagen 23cm clutch
Installing 26mm TD front sway bar (the 15mm was *that* good).
Installing a new rear diff and one new axle(my old one is chunky).
Diagnosing doorlock vac issues and putting my euro lock pegs in.

And of course the obligatory car wash.

I believe we will have a large number of good quality pictures for all 
of these, I will post those when I get 'em.


Here is my recent, unverified 0-60 on B100 from the pump (turn down your 
sound ) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nREKAqKt1E . This was under 
11s with a slipping clutch on a fairly flat road crossing the city dump, 
I can't wait to see what it is on D2 after a new clutch.


-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] Short list of things I am doing on my w123 this 32nd birthday weekend.

2009-06-03 Thread Wonko the Sane
Happy birthday -- and wow, you sure are young! I have kids your age!

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Rolf Martin-Hoster r...@winmutt.com wrote:

 Installing new clutch/flywheel using the GWagen 23cm clutch
 Installing 26mm TD front sway bar (the 15mm was *that* good).
 Installing a new rear diff and one new axle(my old one is chunky).
 Diagnosing doorlock vac issues and putting my euro lock pegs in.

 And of course the obligatory car wash.




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Re: [MBZ] Test - user unknown?

2009-06-03 Thread Wonko the Sane
Who are you? Unknown.  :-)

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:08 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Yeah, yeah, I know, I may have failed, but I've been getting user unknown
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Re: [MBZ] Short list of things I am doing on my w123 this 32nd birthday weekend.

2009-06-03 Thread winmutt
Its OK I have 2 of them myself. Not my age of course but at the rate im 
aging if I blink it will all be gone.


-Rolf

Wonko the Sane wrote:

Happy birthday -- and wow, you sure are young! I have kids your age!

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Rolf Martin-Hoster r...@winmutt.com wrote:

  

Installing new clutch/flywheel using the GWagen 23cm clutch
Installing 26mm TD front sway bar (the 15mm was *that* good).
Installing a new rear diff and one new axle(my old one is chunky).
Diagnosing doorlock vac issues and putting my euro lock pegs in.

And of course the obligatory car wash.






  



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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus

2009-06-03 Thread Allan Streib
We have an '04 Focus, mostly trouble free so far at 110K miles.  Had to
charge the AC last week, and we did have one problem with the
transmission, at right around 100K miles, it would not shift properly
unless you disabled overdrive (pushbutton on the shifter).  Turned out
to be a stuck valve, the repair was not expensive and that was at the
dealer.  I had probably let the fluid go to long without changing.

I think the current generation Focus is a new revision of the chassis,
but I'd buy another one (used, most likely, though if you've got the
money you can probably get a deal on a new one these days).  Maybe get
one with a manual trans if you like 'em.

One other issue, the alloy wheels seem a little weak, prone to bending
if you hit anything too hard.

Allan

Zoltan Finks msuchpo...@gmail.com writes:

 Hey all,

 Below, I'm pasting in what I wrote in the thread about our 190D starting to
 burn oil.

 I'm hoping to get any input on newer, and the new Ford Focus.

 We have had a 96 or so Civic and wonder how the new ones are too.

 But price-wise we would probably not buy a new Civic.

 Any experience with the Focus among the group?

 Or any other suggestions for a newer compact with good fuel mileage?

 Brian

 We have been looking at Civics, and lusting after a new Insight.

 Now we got advice to look into a new Ford Focus - especially in the current
 auto market.

 Of course, I also was thinking about fixing the engine and keeping the 190,
 because we love it and already own it. And it's a classic (in my mind) and
 drives and handles great and is more classy and unique than some run of the
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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 at Walmart

2009-06-03 Thread Allan Streib
Last time I was at Wal-Mart they did not have any M1 except 5W-30 in the
big jugs.  Looks like they are paring back their inventory of the stuff,
at least locally.

LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net writes:

 While in W'Mart yesterday I noticed a couple of Gallon jugs of 5W40
 Turbo/Diesel Oil on sale for 1/2 price of $11.  Bought both gallons
 for the 300D ;-) but couldn;t find any other jugs.

 Is Walmart dropping this flavor of M1?  Or is Mobil dropping it?

 As soon as I get really acclimated to someting it is taken away! Sheesh!

 Happy Mercedes,
 LarryT

-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus

2009-06-03 Thread Allan Streib

Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes:

 We have an '04 Focus...

Oops no it's an '03.

Allan

-- 
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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 at Walmart

2009-06-03 Thread winmutt

$11 for mobil1? Wow. I will go check tonight.

-Rolf

Allan Streib wrote:

Last time I was at Wal-Mart they did not have any M1 except 5W-30 in the
big jugs.  Looks like they are paring back their inventory of the stuff,
at least locally.

LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net writes:

  

While in W'Mart yesterday I noticed a couple of Gallon jugs of 5W40
Turbo/Diesel Oil on sale for 1/2 price of $11.  Bought both gallons
for the 300D ;-) but couldn;t find any other jugs.

Is Walmart dropping this flavor of M1?  Or is Mobil dropping it?

As soon as I get really acclimated to someting it is taken away! Sheesh!

Happy Mercedes,
LarryT



  



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Re: [MBZ] Short list of things I am doing on my w123 this 32nd birthday weekend.

2009-06-03 Thread Wonko the Sane
You will look back in amazement when the time comes. I didn't believe it
when I heard it at your age, but time really does increasingly compress the
older you get. At 56, a year goes by in what used to seem to be a month. I
can't wait to get to be Wilton's age!

The step-daughter who came into my life at age 8 just yesterday is now a 22
year old co-worker in my office. Amazing and a bit scary.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, winmutt r...@winmutt.com wrote:

 Its OK I have 2 of them myself. Not my age of course but at the rate im
 aging if I blink it will all be gone.

 -Rolf




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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus

2009-06-03 Thread LWB250

If the Focus is anything like the second generation Escort (designed by Mazda) 
it's a good, economical car with fairly low operating costs.

I see plenty of them on the road these days, so that says something, I would 
think...

Dan



--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 8:55 PM
 
 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
 writes:
 
  We have an '04 Focus...
 
 Oops no it's an '03.
 
 Allan
 
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Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage

2009-06-03 Thread Wonko the Sane
You forget what I do for a living. I am not obsessive-compulsive. I can spot
those folks a mile away -- over and over and over again.

I am a retired military officer. With that comes a bit of neatness and
order. The Monk in me comes from wanting to have everything tidy, in its
place, and looking as it should look. Any window blind sitting at a 15
degree angle (yes, I am sitting on the deck with the laptop looking at that
damn'd blind) is not as it should be. It God wanted things sitting at a 15
degree angle, he would not have allowed us to invent the bubble level.

Drives my wife nuts, but I still fold clothes the same way as I was taught
at USCG boot camp in 1975, Laugh if you want, but if you roll everything
(especially jeans), they do NOT wrinkle.

I wonder if Wilton lives in clutter? My guess is that his garage is as tidy
as a B-52 cockpit (minus the disposed-of Styrofoam coffee cups). He might
even have a before-bed checklist.

Bed turned down -- check
Bladder empty -- check
Pillows fluffed -- check
Eyeglasses within reach -- check

(etc.)

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote:

 Yes, probably you are correct.  I would have to say that this thread has
 caused some concern about Lt. Don aka Monk.  If he didn't have his
 politics straight I would really worry about him.
 BillR



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[MBZ] Unimogs

2009-06-03 Thread Jim Cathey

I got back from lunch today, and found a Unimog parked
at work.  A U1300, one of my co-workers (that I don't
know) just bought it.

I hope this isn't a Highlander thing...  (There can be
only one!)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Test - user unknown?

2009-06-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

you failed

WILTON wrote:

Yeah, yeah, I know, I may have failed, but I've been getting user unknown 
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this test worked, so go right ahead.  ;))

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Re: [MBZ] Test - user unknown?

2009-06-03 Thread Wonko the Sane
Your reply indicates that he succeeded.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 you failed


 WILTON wrote:

 Yeah, yeah, I know, I may have failed, but I've been getting user
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 I failed, it'll show that this test worked, so go right ahead.  ;))

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Re: [MBZ] methanol........the fuel of the future from the past

2009-06-03 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:21:39 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
wrote:

 Methanol is also quite toxic, this issue was not mentioned at all that I
 saw.

How toxic is it in comparison to gasoline or diesel?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Short list of things I am doing on my w123 this 32ndbirthday weekend.

2009-06-03 Thread WILTON
Don't wish it away; it'll come fast enough.  Years are going like 
telephone/power poles on the highway now.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short list of things I am doing on my w123 this 
32ndbirthday weekend.




You will look back in amazement when the time comes. I didn't believe it
when I heard it at your age, but time really does increasingly compress 
the

older you get. At 56, a year goes by in what used to seem to be a month. I
can't wait to get to be Wilton's age!

The step-daughter who came into my life at age 8 just yesterday is now a 
22

year old co-worker in my office. Amazing and a bit scary.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, winmutt r...@winmutt.com wrote:


Its OK I have 2 of them myself. Not my age of course but at the rate im
aging if I blink it will all be gone.

-Rolf





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confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had 
their

own ways.
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Re: [MBZ] methanol........the fuel of the future from the past

2009-06-03 Thread Allan Streib
Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com writes:

 On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:21:39 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
 wrote:

 Methanol is also quite toxic, this issue was not mentioned at all that I
 saw.

 How toxic is it in comparison to gasoline or diesel?

I'm not certain, but methanol as a fuel would probably be nearly pure,
and ingesting even a few ml could be enough to cause serious problems
such as blindness.  I don't think drinking a few ml of diesel fuel would
be good for you, but probably would not cause you any long term problems
either.

Also methanol can be absorbed in toxic amounts through the skin, a
problem for anyone who is used to using fuel as a general purpose
cleaning fluid.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 at Walmart

2009-06-03 Thread Greg Fiorentino
I picked up 3 5 qt. jugs of 15W-50 for the F-250 powerchoke oil change last
week at W-mart.  I happened to notice they had the W-mart logo on the jug.
Apparently they are bottled especially for them??

I'm gonna check their other store for the TurboD stuff!

Greg Fiorentino
'85 300SD
'80 240D 4 spd. manual
'79 300DT (with new crate engine)
'95 and '97 Crown Vics
'97 F250 4WD crewcab 7.3

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:51 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 at Walmart

Last time I was at Wal-Mart they did not have any M1 except 5W-30 in the
big jugs.  Looks like they are paring back their inventory of the stuff,
at least locally.

LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net writes:

 While in W'Mart yesterday I noticed a couple of Gallon jugs of 5W40
 Turbo/Diesel Oil on sale for 1/2 price of $11.  Bought both gallons
 for the 300D ;-) but couldn;t find any other jugs.

 Is Walmart dropping this flavor of M1?  Or is Mobil dropping it?

 As soon as I get really acclimated to someting it is taken away! Sheesh!

 Happy Mercedes,
 LarryT

-- 
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Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage

2009-06-03 Thread WILTON
No, not all that, but I DO keep my gig line straight, clothes neat and 
haircut period has been stretched slightly from 2 weeks to about 17/18 days, 
still neat but not extremely short and never jarhead type; in fact, I've 
never had one of those cuts.  'Always clean shaven, but I HAVE gone to a 
Norelco electric.


BTW, for anybody wondering what a gig line is; its that vertical line down 
the front of one's clothes formed by the RIGHT edges of the shirt buttoned 
strip down the front, belt buckle and the fly on a man's pants (that's 
LEFT edge as viewed by somebody else).


BTW, again, how can you just sit there and keep looking at the blind askew? 
Get it squared away, and it won't bug us.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage


You forget what I do for a living. I am not obsessive-compulsive. I can 
spot

those folks a mile away -- over and over and over again.

I am a retired military officer. With that comes a bit of neatness and
order. The Monk in me comes from wanting to have everything tidy, in its
place, and looking as it should look. Any window blind sitting at a 15
degree angle (yes, I am sitting on the deck with the laptop looking at 
that

damn'd blind) is not as it should be. It God wanted things sitting at a 15
degree angle, he would not have allowed us to invent the bubble level.

Drives my wife nuts, but I still fold clothes the same way as I was 
taught

at USCG boot camp in 1975, Laugh if you want, but if you roll everything
(especially jeans), they do NOT wrinkle.

I wonder if Wilton lives in clutter? My guess is that his garage is as 
tidy

as a B-52 cockpit (minus the disposed-of Styrofoam coffee cups). He might
even have a before-bed checklist.

Bed turned down -- check
Bladder empty -- check
Pillows fluffed -- check
Eyeglasses within reach -- check

(etc.)

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Bill R billr32...@comcast.net wrote:


Yes, probably you are correct.  I would have to say that this thread has
caused some concern about Lt. Don aka Monk.  If he didn't have his
politics straight I would really worry about him.
BillR




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Re: [MBZ] Test - user unknown?

2009-06-03 Thread WILTON

Zackly

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test - user unknown?



Your reply indicates that he succeeded.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
ka...@striplin.netwrote:



you failed


WILTON wrote:


Yeah, yeah, I know, I may have failed, but I've been getting user
unknown replies for my msgs to okiebenz.com today.  If ya wanna tell me
I failed, it'll show that this test worked, so go right ahead.  ;))

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[MBZ] OT - Squared away

2009-06-03 Thread WILTON
BTW, Wonko, 2 of my brothers made Navy chief in ~Feb '45; one stayed for 20 
years, the other 24.  One was a Boson and several times Chief of the Boat; 
other was Hospital Corpsman (X-Ray).  I was about 7 (1941) when I learned about 
having things squared away.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Squared away

2009-06-03 Thread Wonko the Sane
I rest my case.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:25 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 BTW, Wonko, 2 of my brothers made Navy chief in ~Feb '45; one stayed for 20
 years, the other 24.  One was a Boson and several times Chief of the Boat;
 other was Hospital Corpsman (X-Ray).  I was about 7 (1941) when I learned
 about having things squared away.

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Re: [MBZ] Short list of things I am doing on my w123 this 32ndbirthday weekend.

2009-06-03 Thread winmutt

Telephone? Whats that like a cellphone? :D

-Rolf

WILTON wrote:
Don't wish it away; it'll come fast enough.  Years are going like 
telephone/power poles on the highway now.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:13 PM
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32ndbirthday weekend.




You will look back in amazement when the time comes. I didn't believe it
when I heard it at your age, but time really does increasingly 
compress the
older you get. At 56, a year goes by in what used to seem to be a 
month. I

can't wait to get to be Wilton's age!

The step-daughter who came into my life at age 8 just yesterday is 
now a 22

year old co-worker in my office. Amazing and a bit scary.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, winmutt r...@winmutt.com wrote:


Its OK I have 2 of them myself. Not my age of course but at the rate im
aging if I blink it will all be gone.

-Rolf





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Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage

2009-06-03 Thread Wonko the Sane
I still do that, too ... aren't old habits hard to break? And I get to go to
work (as management) in jeans, running shoes and a polo shirts. The pay
sucks but you can't beat the dress code.

One of my best memories of OCS -- and I do apologize to folks who are
wanting to talk about cars -- is getting ready for inspection every morning.
We had to wear white spats and had to have our shirts perfect. The only way
was to use masking tape.

So, we'd all get up on a chair and drop pants so someone could tape you
up. It wasn't until after graduation that it hit me that we had several
females in the class, and there was no discrimination. I can still remember
a good friend, a female who is now a Captain for Delta, bending over,
binding my pant legs up with masking tape, head about 6 from ground zero
with me standing in the boxer shorts. And being military issue, the fly was
not well designed.

Ten minutes from inspection, you don't think of that sort of thing. You just
get the job done.

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 No, not all that, but I DO keep my gig line straight,



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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus

2009-06-03 Thread OK Don
Friends don't let friends drive anything other than MBs -- ask those who
have survived a major collision in one.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:14 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:


 If the Focus is anything like the second generation Escort (designed by
 Mazda) it's a good, economical car with fairly low operating costs.

 I see plenty of them on the road these days, so that says something, I
 would think...

 Dan



 --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

  From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 8:55 PM
  
  Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
  writes:
 
   We have an '04 Focus...
 
  Oops no it's an '03.
 
  Allan
 
  --
  1983 300D
 
 

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Re: [MBZ] methanol........the fuel of the future from the past

2009-06-03 Thread Barry Stark
We had a chiller that used Methanol to get down to very low temperatures.
When our Health  Safety folks found out that we had it they set down some
very strict rules when handling the Methanol or just an open container in
the room. We always had to be wearing a respirator, face shield, long sleeve
gloves and a rubber apron. On the event of a spill over a few ounces the lab
must be cleared immediately and security called. The reason that it causes
blindness is it attacks and destroys the optic nerve. I seem to remember
this process taking some time and I think they said it was one of those
chemicals that your body has trouble getting rid of, i.e. it tends to build
up over time to get to the strength required to do the damage. This was of
course for absorption and inhalation not ingestion that will make you quite
ill right away. The other nasty thing about using any alcohol as a fuel is
that if you happen to have a fire, the flames are very hard to see. It was
enough to scare our management. We got rid of the Methanol and went to
Fluorinert instead. Way more expensive but much safer.

Barry






I'm not certain, but methanol as a fuel would probably be nearly pure,
and ingesting even a few ml could be enough to cause serious problems
such as blindness.  I don't think drinking a few ml of diesel fuel would
be good for you, but probably would not cause you any long term problems
either.

Also methanol can be absorbed in toxic amounts through the skin, a
problem for anyone who is used to using fuel as a general purpose
cleaning fluid.

Allan



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Re: [MBZ] Test - user unknown?

2009-06-03 Thread OK Don
Welcome back!

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:11 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Zackly

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Test - user unknown?



 Your reply indicates that he succeeded.

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:

 you failed


 WILTON wrote:

 Yeah, yeah, I know, I may have failed, but I've been getting user
 unknown replies for my msgs to okiebenz.com today.  If ya wanna tell
 me
 I failed, it'll show that this test worked, so go right ahead.  ;))

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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 at Walmart

2009-06-03 Thread Rich Thomas
I went to the local El Mercado de Wal last week and they had about 8 
kinds of M1, and it was $22 a jug.  I bought 3 10W30s (extended range) 
to change oil in 3 vehicles, they had the turbodiesel truck, 15W50, and 
all the other flavors too, lots of it.  You should ask if you want 
something, I'm sure they could have it in a couple of days -- they have 
monster distribution centers here and there and trucks coming every day.


--R

Allan Streib wrote:

Last time I was at Wal-Mart they did not have any M1 except 5W-30 in the
big jugs.  Looks like they are paring back their inventory of the stuff,
at least locally.

LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net writes:

  

While in W'Mart yesterday I noticed a couple of Gallon jugs of 5W40
Turbo/Diesel Oil on sale for 1/2 price of $11.  Bought both gallons
for the 300D ;-) but couldn;t find any other jugs.

Is Walmart dropping this flavor of M1?  Or is Mobil dropping it?

As soon as I get really acclimated to someting it is taken away! Sheesh!

Happy Mercedes,
LarryT



  

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Re: [MBZ] I now have a 140 parked in my garage

2009-06-03 Thread WILTON
Spats?  You mean those white leggins my brothers wore in boot camp in '39 
and '40 and that I played with as a child; also wore on AFROTC drill team 
and OCS honor guard?


OCS standing in chair; BTDT - 2 classmates lift you and lower you into pants 
held by another classmate - save the starched crease.  Cooperate and 
graduate.


Wilton

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I still do that, too ... aren't old habits hard to break? And I get to go 
to

work (as management) in jeans, running shoes and a polo shirts. The pay
sucks but you can't beat the dress code.

One of my best memories of OCS -- and I do apologize to folks who are
wanting to talk about cars -- is getting ready for inspection every 
morning.
We had to wear white spats and had to have our shirts perfect. The only 
way

was to use masking tape.

So, we'd all get up on a chair and drop pants so someone could tape you
up. It wasn't until after graduation that it hit me that we had several
females in the class, and there was no discrimination. I can still 
remember

a good friend, a female who is now a Captain for Delta, bending over,
binding my pant legs up with masking tape, head about 6 from ground 
zero
with me standing in the boxer shorts. And being military issue, the fly 
was

not well designed.

Ten minutes from inspection, you don't think of that sort of thing. You 
just

get the job done.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:10 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


No, not all that, but I DO keep my gig line straight,




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Re: [MBZ] OT - Squared away

2009-06-03 Thread Fmiser
 WILTON wrote:

 I was about 7 (1941) when I learned about having
 things squared away.

That is an old sailing term, dating to the time of square-rigged
sailing vessels. To square away means to change the sailing
position of the vessel so the wind is from directly aft and so
the best position of the yard arms is perpendicular (or square)
to the length of the vessel.  Somewhere along the way it came to
mean tidy.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] methanol........the fuel of the future from the past

2009-06-03 Thread Jim Cathey

The reason that it causes
blindness is it attacks and destroys the optic nerve. I seem to 
remember

this process taking some time and I think they said it was one of those
chemicals that your body has trouble getting rid of, i.e. it tends to 
build

up over time to get to the strength required to do the damage.


My recollection (possibly faulty) is that methanol, like
ethanol, is broken down by the liver but that its metabolic
byproduct is formaldehyde, which isn't all that good for you.

-- Jim



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