Re: [MBZ] 240D blower fuse
From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com The fuse draws too much and gets hot and melts the fuse holder. Anyone else with the same situation? Does remote fuse with higher amps work? Thanks. mao ... Hi Mao, If that's #8 (16 amp) on the fuse block, and it burned up because the fuse was not making good contact, you might be able to get a No.30-0.128 drill bit, slide it through the hole in the flexible connector below, and drill out a little of the plastic that melted and filled up contact hole. This drill bit is a near perfect match for the holes. Then you can cut off a 5/32 drill bit to the same length as a fuse and grind the cut end to a point. Then you can slip it in the holder just like you would a fuse and turn it by hand several time to clean up the contact area of the hole. A few layers of masking tape around the cut off drill bit will give you more leverage and make it easier on your fingers. The fuseholder for one headlight on my '83 240D overheated and melted the plastic behind the hole, and I fixed it this way. Been driving it at night for several months since with no problem. I've looked at several 123 fuseholders and all showed evidence of the top contact on No. 8 connector running hot even though they were causing no problem at the time. Good luck, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D blower fuse
From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com The fuse draws too much and gets hot and melts the fuse holder. Anyone else with the same situation? Does remote fuse with higher amps work? Thanks. mao ... From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Replace the blower motor. Peter I wonder if a bad blower may be what burned up the control unit and fuseholder in my car. The first thing I did was jumper the blower from the cigarette lighter and it seemed to run okay for five or ten minutes, but it might have been drawing too much amperage. Haven't found any amperage values for fan on quick look at the Electrical Troubleshooting Manual. Did find that the wire size of wire to fan was 1.5(mm?) Where can I find out how much current the blower draws at max speed? Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
I've never heard of a suspension converted MB wagon that wasn't a complete disaster What the hell am i doing up at this hour? On 10/7/09, pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Marshal always gave the admonishment that any backyard attempt to convert the rear suspension would result in a very expensive uncomfortable suspension. USUALLY IN CAPS -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 6:57:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor Do you have such a bastardized car? Almost every such car I've heard of was judged to be a very poor handling car compared to the original SLS. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor Assuming you have the proper spring rate (not just sedan springs), and bilstein HD shocks that are valved properly for a wagon- Surely it would handle at least as good as a brand new self leveling system- and better if you made it a little stiffer (which would also eliminate the need for the leveling feature). I personally think the SLS is mostly a marketing gimmick- especially on a car that isn't designed for heavy duty towing. I guess it lets them get by with softer springs than they otherwise would need to prevent sag when loaded, which makes the ride softer- but certainly doesn't improve handling over a set of stiff regular springs. Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 6, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: We are talking about a wagon here, correct? Putting in regular springs in a wagon makes for better handling? I think not. The SLS when working properly handles VERY well. It is a very simple system, very little goes wrong. That think will never be right if you just put springs in it. tyler wrote: It sounds like a lot of work and expense to reinstall the self levelling system- I'd just keep the regular rear suspension myself. Simpler, more reliable, and better handling. If it sags in the rear when you load it up, just get stiffer springs or some spacers. I've used overload springs with stock height, but a 20% stiffer rate on my Volvo wagons that I do a lot of towing with. It handles a little better, and doesn't really sag at all when I load it up- but I didn't notice any reduction in the ride quality. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091007/7cf0a594/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] At the other end of the CL spectrum, $700 1984 190D manual 5 speed transmission
I think the lady would sell it for less to the first person who shows up with cash. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:52 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] At the other end of the CL spectrum,$700 1984 190D manual 5 speed transmission I've got $200 ready for the diff... I'm sure you could get $500 out of the rest of the car... I've gotten to the point where I'm ready to buy a parts car... -Curt Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:46:57 -0400 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Subject: [MBZ] At the other end of the CL spectrum, $700 1984 190D manual 5 speed transmission To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801193...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rich, up for a road trip Monday? Kaleb, have a spare 190D engine to sell? 1984 Mercedes 190D Diesel 2.3 liter manual 5 speed transmission. The car motor is not working and has been partially dismantled,( the head has been removed). No dents or scratches, No visible rust, 161,400 miles. $700. Clean car and overall body in Good condition. please call 321-208-5776. Price $700. http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1409915122.html Max -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091008/9d53b445/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] At the other end of the CL spectrum, $700 1984 190D manual 5 speed transmission
I'll give you $1000 delivered... -Curt Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:50:04 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] At the other end of the CL spectrum, $700 1984 190D manual 5 speed transmission To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4acea4dc.10...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed It was not here when you were. Here are pics http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/84190D5speed/ OK Don wrote: Guess I missed that fact- too many cars for one afternoon for my weak mind. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I have always had the 5 speed running, I drove it back from OKC. OK Don wrote: You got the 5 speed running? Or are you talking about the blue auto? -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/94471d11/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
My 1985 300TD with the rear Bilstean shocks and disconnectged SLS isn't a disaster but it definitely doesn't ride or handle as nicely as my genuine SLS 1983 300TD, with 322k miles. So who wants my 1985 300D motor for FREE so I can install the proper engine and hook up my SLS? On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: I've never heard of a suspension converted MB wagon that wasn't a complete disaster What the hell am i doing up at this hour? On 10/7/09, pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Marshal always gave the admonishment that any backyard attempt to convert the rear suspension would result in a very expensive uncomfortable suspension. USUALLY IN CAPS -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 6:57:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor Do you have such a bastardized car? Almost every such car I've heard of was judged to be a very poor handling car compared to the original SLS. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor Assuming you have the proper spring rate (not just sedan springs), and bilstein HD shocks that are valved properly for a wagon- Surely it would handle at least as good as a brand new self leveling system- and better if you made it a little stiffer (which would also eliminate the need for the leveling feature). I personally think the SLS is mostly a marketing gimmick- especially on a car that isn't designed for heavy duty towing. I guess it lets them get by with softer springs than they otherwise would need to prevent sag when loaded, which makes the ride softer- but certainly doesn't improve handling over a set of stiff regular springs. Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 6, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: We are talking about a wagon here, correct? Putting in regular springs in a wagon makes for better handling? I think not. The SLS when working properly handles VERY well. It is a very simple system, very little goes wrong. That think will never be right if you just put springs in it. tyler wrote: It sounds like a lot of work and expense to reinstall the self levelling system- I'd just keep the regular rear suspension myself. Simpler, more reliable, and better handling. If it sags in the rear when you load it up, just get stiffer springs or some spacers. I've used overload springs with stock height, but a 20% stiffer rate on my Volvo wagons that I do a lot of towing with. It handles a little better, and doesn't really sag at all when I load it up- but I didn't notice any reduction in the ride quality. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091007/7cf0a594/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/5a8488b1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Should be BILSTEIN shocks. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:24 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: My 1985 300TD with the rear Bilstean shocks and disconnectged SLS isn't a disaster but it definitely doesn't ride or handle as nicely as my genuine SLS 1983 300TD, with 322k miles. So who wants my 1985 300D motor for FREE so I can install the proper engine and hook up my SLS? On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: I've never heard of a suspension converted MB wagon that wasn't a complete disaster What the hell am i doing up at this hour? On 10/7/09, pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Marshal always gave the admonishment that any backyard attempt to convert the rear suspension would result in a very expensive uncomfortable suspension. USUALLY IN CAPS -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 6:57:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor Do you have such a bastardized car? Almost every such car I've heard of was judged to be a very poor handling car compared to the original SLS. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor Assuming you have the proper spring rate (not just sedan springs), and bilstein HD shocks that are valved properly for a wagon- Surely it would handle at least as good as a brand new self leveling system- and better if you made it a little stiffer (which would also eliminate the need for the leveling feature). I personally think the SLS is mostly a marketing gimmick- especially on a car that isn't designed for heavy duty towing. I guess it lets them get by with softer springs than they otherwise would need to prevent sag when loaded, which makes the ride softer- but certainly doesn't improve handling over a set of stiff regular springs. Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 6, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: We are talking about a wagon here, correct? Putting in regular springs in a wagon makes for better handling? I think not. The SLS when working properly handles VERY well. It is a very simple system, very little goes wrong. That think will never be right if you just put springs in it. tyler wrote: It sounds like a lot of work and expense to reinstall the self levelling system- I'd just keep the regular rear suspension myself. Simpler, more reliable, and better handling. If it sags in the rear when you load it up, just get stiffer springs or some spacers. I've used overload springs with stock height, but a 20% stiffer rate on my Volvo wagons that I do a lot of towing with. It handles a little better, and doesn't really sag at all when I load it up- but I didn't notice any reduction in the ride quality. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091007/7cf0a594/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/4acfa446/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
Re: [MBZ] 123 wagooon
...I've never heard of a suspension converted MB wagon that wasn't a complete disaster... Back when my 123 300D was in for something or udder, the dealer gave me a pre-Turbo 300D wagon to take home. Unladen, it drove and handled just like my 4-door. I'd still like to have one as a light duty hauling vehicle. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/3fc0060d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 wagooon
My 79 rides very nicely, takes speedbumps and RR tracks with aplomb (not sure what that is, but it takes it), And you can haul a lot of stuff in too, surprisingly spacious. --R relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I've never heard of a suspension converted MB wagon that wasn't a complete disaster... Back when my 123 300D was in for something or udder, the dealer gave me a pre-Turbo 300D wagon to take home. Unladen, it drove and handled just like my 4-door. I'd still like to have one as a light duty hauling vehicle. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/3fc0060d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/d77abda5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fraudulent Credit Card
My apologies to the international folks getting this, but you might have similar situations where you are. I got a notice today from Juniper Bank [now Barclay's Bank Delaware - a UK based bank] thanking me for alerting them to the fraudulent account opened in my name, and making sure I had not authorized a card from them [I assume from the credit alert I put on our accounts]. The card # they had traced back to me. A call from Virgin America about unusual activity on my account did alert me [there was a gas purchase on the card in Pompano Beach] and the account is now closed. Virgin America was the issuer of the card through Barclay. I am a bit upset that Virgin America [who called me] then told me that they had not called me, and that I had no account with them. Not a bad idea to put the three month alert on yourself with the credit agencies. Experian was the one I .contacted, and they connected with the other two agencies for me. No charge for that. I have the 3 month reminder in my calendar, and plan to renew the alert every three months. Yes, I guess it can happen to anyone. Bill R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/0504f379/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 'Nother I fixed it
Smart, real smart. Wilton -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: photo.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 98149 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/d33868e8/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 'Nother I fixed it
While not quite that bad [and not dangerous], we bought a house that had been the model home for the neighborhood. They planned on bringing in power to the garage from the SE front, but the utilities would not run power when they needed it so they brought it in from the development behind us at the NE corner. We had a fuse box in our dining room. We also had a wall hanging just a bit larger than it was in our dining room. Not the worst case of a home designed without much reference to where it would be located, but notable. They are everywhere. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:03 PM To: Joe Ornowski; JOHN MELCHIOR; mercedes list Subject: [MBZ] 'Nother I fixed it Smart, real smart. Wilton -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: photo.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 98149 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/d3 3868e8/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 'Nother I fixed it
Alles. As Kaleb is wont to say, BZZZT! You failed. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. At 03:02 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote: Smart, real smart. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Well, were they done properly? There's no inherent reason why a wagon wouldn't handle fine with a regular rear suspension. I'd be willing to bet that most of these conversions use stock sedan springs/shocks from a junkyard, which aren't stiff enough for a wagon. If I were going to do the swap I would cut the sedan springs down and add an aluminum spacer to get the correct ride height and spring rate, and get rear shocks that are valved properly for the increased rear weight (Bilstein will revalve their shocks cheaply). This would certainly be a lot cheaper and easier than replacing an engine- and would allow one to customize the spring and shock rate for the way they use their wagon. There's also a good chance that an aftermarket spring company somewhere makes the correct springs for this conversion. Other options that would work well are nivomat self contained leveling shocks, and air bags in the springs. I'm annoyed that people on here mostly parrot what Marshall said without understanding the context. Tyler Gary Hurst wrote: I've never heard of a suspension converted MB wagon that wasn't a complete disaster What the hell am i doing up at this hour? On 10/7/09, pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Marshal always gave the admonishment that any backyard attempt to convert the rear suspension would result in a very expensive uncomfortable suspension. USUALLY IN CAPS -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
GO for it! Redesign it. I'm sure that the effort would be trivial to a fellow like you. I'm annoyed that people on here mostly parrot what Marshall said without understanding the context. When you have a minute between engineering changes on your suspension, why not find a new list? Tyler -- Pete Arnold This e-mail from Peter Arnold and any attachments to it are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be uncensored. If you have received it in error please consult your religious adviser. If you are not the intended recipient, why have you read this far? Please do not staple, spindle or otherwise mutilate this document, doing so may damage your screen. All communications may be subject to interception or monitoring by the men in black helicopters for security purposes. Please rely on your own swine flu virus checking as the sender cannot accept any liability for any damage arising from any bug or virus infection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
So in theory it could be done right. This doesn't quite negate the power of the fact that none of us has ever seen such a creature On 10/9/09, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: Well, were they done properly? There's no inherent reason why a wagon wouldn't handle fine with a regular rear suspension. I'd be willing to bet that most of these conversions use stock sedan springs/shocks from a junkyard, which aren't stiff enough for a wagon. If I were going to do the swap I would cut the sedan springs down and add an aluminum spacer to get the correct ride height and spring rate, and get rear shocks that are valved properly for the increased rear weight (Bilstein will revalve their shocks cheaply). This would certainly be a lot cheaper and easier than replacing an engine- and would allow one to customize the spring and shock rate for the way they use their wagon. There's also a good chance that an aftermarket spring company somewhere makes the correct springs for this conversion. Other options that would work well are nivomat self contained leveling shocks, and air bags in the springs. I'm annoyed that people on here mostly parrot what Marshall said without understanding the context. Tyler Gary Hurst wrote: I've never heard of a suspension converted MB wagon that wasn't a complete disaster What the hell am i doing up at this hour? On 10/7/09, pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Marshal always gave the admonishment that any backyard attempt to convert the rear suspension would result in a very expensive uncomfortable suspension. USUALLY IN CAPS -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sent from my mobile device ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
It IS trivial to use a spring with the correct spring rate... Anyone that can do an engine swap, could do this much cheaper and easier. Tyler Peter T. Arnold wrote: GO for it! Redesign it. I'm sure that the effort would be trivial to a fellow like you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fraudulent Credit Card
From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net My apologies to the international folks getting this, but you might have similar situations where you are. I got a notice today from Juniper Bank [now Barclay's Bank Delaware - a UK based bank] thanking me for alerting them to the fraudulent account opened in my name, and making sure I had not authorized a card from them [I assume from the credit alert I put on our accounts]. The card # they had traced back to me. A call from Virgin America about unusual activity on my account did alert me [there was a gas purchase on the card in Pompano Beach] and the account is now closed. Virgin America was the issuer of the card through Barclay. I am a bit upset that Virgin America [who called me] then told me that they had not called me, and that I had no account with them. Not a bad idea to put the three month alert on yourself with the credit agencies. Experian was the one I .contacted, and they connected with the other two agencies for me. No charge for that. I have the 3 month reminder in my calendar, and plan to renew the alert every three months. Yes, I guess it can happen to anyone. Bill R ... Hi Bill, How does the three month alert work and who is alerted? I just got a notice that a credit card company I've been with since credit cards became a common substitute for cash will begin charging me $50 per year. I'm thinking about moving my card to a credit union. I have another card with a Texas bank which provides one million dollars worth of air travel insurance if you pay for it with their card. They have no yearly fee. Signs of the times, I guess. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fraudulent Credit Card
Yes, they do need new ways to make [steal] money, I guess. I use a credit union with no fees, but we only have a debit card. I've got a CC waiting with a hefty limit, but it is not activated [I've got a few months before they cancel it again for non-use]. https://www.experian.com/consumer/cac/InvalidateSession.do?code=SECURITYALER T should get you to the page, then you have to either use the automated system on the phone, or send something in writing, IIRC. Experian will contact TransUnion and whatever the other one is. The reason that helps is that it adds an extra level of proof if you apply for credit. You should be able to do that for yourself [prove you are you, except on a weekend, so don't try to buy anything on new credit when the reporting agencies are closed], but it should stop a fake application. Not foolproof I am sure, but close. Bill R -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fraudulent Credit Card From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net My apologies to the international folks getting this, but you might have similar situations where you are. I got a notice today from Juniper Bank [now Barclay's Bank Delaware - a UK based bank] thanking me for alerting them to the fraudulent account opened in my name, and making sure I had not authorized a card from them [I assume from the credit alert I put on our accounts]. The card # they had traced back to me. A call from Virgin America about unusual activity on my account did alert me [there was a gas purchase on the card in Pompano Beach] and the account is now closed. Virgin America was the issuer of the card through Barclay. I am a bit upset that Virgin America [who called me] then told me that they had not called me, and that I had no account with them. Not a bad idea to put the three month alert on yourself with the credit agencies. Experian was the one I .contacted, and they connected with the other two agencies for me. No charge for that. I have the 3 month reminder in my calendar, and plan to renew the alert every three months. Yes, I guess it can happen to anyone. Bill R ... Hi Bill, How does the three month alert work and who is alerted? I just got a notice that a credit card company I've been with since credit cards became a common substitute for cash will begin charging me $50 per year. I'm thinking about moving my card to a credit union. I have another card with a Texas bank which provides one million dollars worth of air travel insurance if you pay for it with their card. They have no yearly fee. Signs of the times, I guess. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] At the other end of the CL spectrum, $700 1984 190D manual 5 speed transmission
Then get right down there and get it... I'm not going 1400 miles for a parts car ;) -Curt Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:02:46 -0400 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Subject: Re: [MBZ] At the other end of the CL spectrum, $700 1984 190D manual 5 speed transmission To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801193...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I think the lady would sell it for less to the first person who shows up with cash. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:52 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] At the other end of the CL spectrum,$700 1984 190D manual 5 speed transmission I've got $200 ready for the diff... I'm sure you could get $500 out of the rest of the car... I've gotten to the point where I'm ready to buy a parts car... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/c6e250e6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fraudulent Credit Card
A couple years ago my GM card (don't, just don't) was declined when I tried to buy gas. I called and they'd blocked it because of a possible fraudulent purchase (which wasn't) but couldn't tell me about it because my phone number was messed up in their records and apparently they didn't feel like mailing me something. So I got a replacement card sent which never arrived and suddenly somebody: A. Charges $16,000 in Saudi Arabia on my card B. Changes the card's listing of my mother's maiden name Strange no? I call and it takes FOREVER to explain all this to the bottom feeder on the phone. Even the supervisor doesn't understand, I have to go to a 4th(!) level of support to get somebody who understands that your mother's maiden name doesn't change... It took 6 full months to get this all worked out. The best part of the experience was like you say putting a warning on my file... The GM card I'd been using is gone, I went back to a Chase card I'd let go inactive. Its got better (ie something I'd use) rewards... -Curt Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:11:49 -0400 From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net Subject: [MBZ] Fraudulent Credit Card To: 'Banned List' ban...@okiebenz.com, m-powe...@yahoogroups.com, mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 004d01ca491c$be180e80$3a482b...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My apologies to the international folks getting this, but you might have similar situations where you are. I got a notice today from Juniper Bank [now Barclay's Bank Delaware - a UK based bank] thanking me for alerting them to the fraudulent account opened in my name, and making sure I had not authorized a card from them [I assume from the credit alert I put on our accounts]. The card # they had traced back to me. A call from Virgin America about unusual activity on my account did alert me [there was a gas purchase on the card in Pompano Beach] and the account is now closed. Virgin America was the issuer of the card through Barclay. I am a bit upset that Virgin America [who called me] then told me that they had not called me, and that I had no account with them. Not a bad idea to put the three month alert on yourself with the credit agencies. Experian was the one I .contacted, and they connected with the other two agencies for me. No charge for that. I have the 3 month reminder in my calendar, and plan to renew the alert every three months. Yes, I guess it can happen to anyone. Bill R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/f7a0e050/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
*Ahem* I believe the term here is put up or shut up. If its so easy just take a long weekend at Andrew's and show us how awesome you can make his car. I'm sure he'd give you dinner... -Curt Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:48:30 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4acfbdbe.4020...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It IS trivial to use a spring with the correct spring rate... Anyone that can do an engine swap, could do this much cheaper and easier. Tyler Peter T. Arnold wrote: GO for it! Redesign it. I'm sure that the effort would be trivial to a fellow like you. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/cfb2e204/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Tyler, We're not just parroting what Marshall said, we're giving you real world experience about a car you've apparently never been in... Why screw around trying to bodge something that works really really well? What Andrew is trying to do is go BACK to what his car had before some other bodger bodged it which I think is admirable. For the record I've ridden in Volvo wagons, the older boxy (pre '91?) body style, they DO NOT compare to a 123 wagon. -Curt Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:13:22 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4acfb582.2050...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well, were they done properly? There's no inherent reason why a wagon wouldn't handle fine with a regular rear suspension. I'd be willing to bet that most of these conversions use stock sedan springs/shocks from a junkyard, which aren't stiff enough for a wagon. If I were going to do the swap I would cut the sedan springs down and add an aluminum spacer to get the correct ride height and spring rate, and get rear shocks that are valved properly for the increased rear weight (Bilstein will revalve their shocks cheaply). This would certainly be a lot cheaper and easier than replacing an engine- and would allow one to customize the spring and shock rate for the way they use their wagon. There's also a good chance that an aftermarket spring company somewhere makes the correct springs for this conversion. Other options that would work well are nivomat self contained leveling shocks, and air bags in the springs. I'm annoyed that people on here mostly parrot what Marshall said without understanding the context. Tyler -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/7b1f21a8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fraudulent Credit Card
I got a call at work one morning from the Barclay's card - asking if I'd used it in Mexico in the last 10 minutes to purchase a phone card. I said no, sinc eI was currently in OKC. They cancelled the card and sent me a knew one. I'd been back from a trip to the East coast less than a week. I thought that was pretty good service, not flinching on the trip, but catching the sudden use in Mexico. Also, there is no service charge on the card --- On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: A couple years ago my GM card (don't, just don't) was declined when I tried to buy gas. I called and they'd blocked it because of a possible fraudulent purchase (which wasn't) but couldn't tell me about it because my phone number was messed up in their records and apparently they didn't feel like mailing me something. So I got a replacement card sent which never arrived and suddenly somebody: A. Charges $16,000 in Saudi Arabia on my card B. Changes the card's listing of my mother's maiden name Strange no? I call and it takes FOREVER to explain all this to the bottom feeder on the phone. Even the supervisor doesn't understand, I have to go to a 4th(!) level of support to get somebody who understands that your mother's maiden name doesn't change... It took 6 full months to get this all worked out. The best part of the experience was like you say putting a warning on my file... The GM card I'd been using is gone, I went back to a Chase card I'd let go inactive. Its got better (ie something I'd use) rewards... -Curt -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/975bb705/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
The Mercedes hydraulic system is great, and I can understand wanting to make it work again. I'm just trying to say that a regular spring suspension is perfectly fine, and works great on the majority of stock vehicles that use them. A 300TD with sedan springs is horrible, but it's probably easier to raise the spring rate or install the correct springs than to replace the engine and reinstall all of the hydraulics. I have stiffened the springs on several cars by removing some spring and replacing it with a solid spacer- with great success. There are also a bunch of companies (like lesjoforsab.com and hrsprings.com) that would certainly sell you the correct springs, and probably provide advice on choosing a spring rate. What do Volvos have to do with this? I'm a huge fan of the Volvo 700/900/90 series wagons (1985-1998). The 80s models aren't as comfortable and refined as a W123- but do handle better because of a stiffer suspension, rack and pinion steering, and about 600lbs less weight. I'd love to replace my '87 740 Turbo with a 300TD (especially an 87 300TD), but it couldn't begin to do what I do with my 740 Turbo. The cooling system, transmission, and suspension on the Volvo are much simpler and heavier duty. Just a few weeks ago I towed my 22 foot 3500lb sailboat up a steep windy mountain road to go sailing on an alpine lake that's at 7000 feet elevation. I've also taken it camping several times in Baja, driving for days offroad on sand and rock while loaded with 1000lbs of gear and I've never had to do anything to the suspension other than stiffen the rear springs and add a locking differential. Somehow the Volvo has held up fine to this abuse for years and years, but I should eventually replace it with a 3/4 ton 4wd diesel pickup of some sort which is actually designed for this sort of use. Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Tyler, We're not just parroting what Marshall said, we're giving you real world experience about a car you've apparently never been in... Why screw around trying to bodge something that works really really well? What Andrew is trying to do is go BACK to what his car had before some other bodger bodged it which I think is admirable. For the record I've ridden in Volvo wagons, the older boxy (pre '91?) body style, they DO NOT compare to a 123 wagon. -Curt Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:13:22 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4acfb582.2050...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well, were they done properly? There's no inherent reason why a wagon wouldn't handle fine with a regular rear suspension. I'd be willing to bet that most of these conversions use stock sedan springs/shocks from a junkyard, which aren't stiff enough for a wagon. If I were going to do the swap I would cut the sedan springs down and add an aluminum spacer to get the correct ride height and spring rate, and get rear shocks that are valved properly for the increased rear weight (Bilstein will revalve their shocks cheaply). This would certainly be a lot cheaper and easier than replacing an engine- and would allow one to customize the spring and shock rate for the way they use their wagon. There's also a good chance that an aftermarket spring company somewhere makes the correct springs for this conversion. Other options that would work well are nivomat self contained leveling shocks, and air bags in the springs. I'm annoyed that people on here mostly parrot what Marshall said without understanding the context. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Or, rather than reinventing the wheel, just leave it like it was meant to be. I have not seen anyone parroting anything Marshall may have said without knowing what they were talking about. Have you owned/driven a wagon (or a LWB 126/140 etc) sedan with the properly working SLS? Have you driven one that has had the hack job done? I have. Big difference. tyler wrote: Well, were they done properly? There's no inherent reason why a wagon wouldn't handle fine with a regular rear suspension. I'd be willing to bet that most of these conversions use stock sedan springs/shocks from a junkyard, which aren't stiff enough for a wagon. If I were going to do the swap I would cut the sedan springs down and add an aluminum spacer to get the correct ride height and spring rate, and get rear shocks that are valved properly for the increased rear weight (Bilstein will revalve their shocks cheaply). This would certainly be a lot cheaper and easier than replacing an engine- and would allow one to customize the spring and shock rate for the way they use their wagon. There's also a good chance that an aftermarket spring company somewhere makes the correct springs for this conversion. Other options that would work well are nivomat self contained leveling shocks, and air bags in the springs. I'm annoyed that people on here mostly parrot what Marshall said without understanding the context. Tyler -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
I have done quite a few engine swaps, even put a v-8 in a body made for 6 cyl inline ONLY. That was an adventure. I have worked on everything from tractors to medium duty trucks, houses, commercial buildings concrete, etc. I do not presume to know more about suspension than the team of German-trained engineers (real engineers) that designed the 123 SLS system. tyler, have at it, but I sincerely hope you are never coming toward me with your frankenheap on an Icy curve with a bump on a rainy night. At 06:34 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote: *Ahem* I believe the term here is put up or shut up. If its so easy just take a long weekend at Andrew's and show us how awesome you can make his car. I'm sure he'd give you dinner... -Curt Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:48:30 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4acfbdbe.4020...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It IS trivial to use a spring with the correct spring rate... Anyone that can do an engine swap, could do this much cheaper and easier. Tyler Peter T. Arnold wrote: GO for it! Redesign it. I'm sure that the effort would be trivial to a fellow like you. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/cfb2e204/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] hello
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Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
The problem is all of this has been tried many times before, it never works right. Loren Faeth wrote: I have done quite a few engine swaps, even put a v-8 in a body made for 6 cyl inline ONLY. That was an adventure. I have worked on everything from tractors to medium duty trucks, houses, commercial buildings concrete, etc. I do not presume to know more about suspension than the team of German-trained engineers (real engineers) that designed the 123 SLS system. tyler, have at it, but I sincerely hope you are never coming toward me with your frankenheap on an Icy curve with a bump on a rainy night. At 06:34 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote: *Ahem* I believe the term here is put up or shut up. If its so easy just take a long weekend at Andrew's and show us how awesome you can make his car. I'm sure he'd give you dinner... -Curt Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:48:30 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4acfbdbe.4020...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It IS trivial to use a spring with the correct spring rate... Anyone that can do an engine swap, could do this much cheaper and easier. Tyler Peter T. Arnold wrote: GO for it! Redesign it. I'm sure that the effort would be trivial to a fellow like you. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/cfb2e204/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/67ef1c90/attachment.html -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fraudulent Credit Card
I had forgotten about overseas use of American cards. They probably check more closely now [better electronic connections] , but when I was in Cuba the first time [yes, I was legal] I didn't take any credit cards because I didn't figure they would be good. I could have used them anywhere. The next trip [also legal] I left my cash at home and took the cards. What I didn't know is that in the intervening months our government had cut off payments on American credit cards used in Cuba. Let us just say that was a much more frugal trip [I was fully hosted, so not really a problem], not that there was much to spend it on anyhow. I didn't really need any more souvenirs anyway, but I did miss out a large book of old American stamps [all pre Castro] that I could have gotten at a flea market for $150 [a few months wages for most Cubans at that time]. One of my friends found one stamp in the very large album that was worth $300 by itself, with hundreds of others. Oh, well. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:30 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fraudulent Credit Card A couple years ago my GM card (don't, just don't) was declined when I tried to buy gas. I called and they'd blocked it because of a possible fraudulent purchase (which wasn't) but couldn't tell me about it because my phone number was messed up in their records and apparently they didn't feel like mailing me something. So I got a replacement card sent which never arrived and suddenly somebody: A. Charges $16,000 in Saudi Arabia on my card B. Changes the card's listing of my mother's maiden name Strange no? I call and it takes FOREVER to explain all this to the bottom feeder on the phone. Even the supervisor doesn't understand, I have to go to a 4th(!) level of support to get somebody who understands that your mother's maiden name doesn't change... It took 6 full months to get this all worked out. The best part of the experience was like you say putting a warning on my file... The GM card I'd been using is gone, I went back to a Chase card I'd let go inactive. Its got better (ie something I'd use) rewards... -Curt Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:11:49 -0400 From: Bill R billr32...@comcast.net Subject: [MBZ] Fraudulent Credit Card To: 'Banned List' ban...@okiebenz.com, m-powe...@yahoogroups.com, mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 004d01ca491c$be180e80$3a482b...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My apologies to the international folks getting this, but you might have similar situations where you are. I got a notice today from Juniper Bank [now Barclay's Bank Delaware - a UK based bank] thanking me for alerting them to the fraudulent account opened in my name, and making sure I had not authorized a card from them [I assume from the credit alert I put on our accounts]. The card # they had traced back to me. A call from Virgin America about unusual activity on my account did alert me [there was a gas purchase on the card in Pompano Beach] and the account is now closed. Virgin America was the issuer of the card through Barclay. I am a bit upset that Virgin America [who called me] then told me that they had not called me, and that I had no account with them. Not a bad idea to put the three month alert on yourself with the credit agencies. Experian was the one I .contacted, and they connected with the other two agencies for me. No charge for that. I have the 3 month reminder in my calendar, and plan to renew the alert every three months. Yes, I guess it can happen to anyone. Bill R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/f7 a0e050/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D blower fuse
Where can I find out how much current the blower draws at max speed? Your nearest fusebox, with an ammeter. You know for a fact that it's to be less than the normal fuse rating! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Modifications aren't about knowing more than Mercedes or re-inventing the wheel- fitting a proper rate spring and damper to give you the handling you want isn't magic or rocket science- there are dozens of books about it and it's done properly on almost every car made, including the vast majority of W123s. The ONLY difference is that the wagon has more weight in the rear end and cargo capacity, requiring a different spring rate and dampener valve. How different? Look at the same engineering books as the magic mercedes engineers looked at, and calculate it the same way they did for the sedan. Why did they go to all of the extra trouble and expense of the hydraulic system then? Because it gives a smoother ride, and it's a good marketing gimmick- not because a spring is dangerous or less reliable. I for one prefer a stiffer ride and better handling than most car buyers, so it's reasonable for me to modify the suspension on my vehicles accordingly- and I do careful research and make conservative changes to ensure that the result is safe and reliable. There's nothing wrong with modifying a vehicle to suit your needs, if you know what you're doing and why you're doing it. It doesn't have to mean that you think the origional engineers were wrong to do what they did, or that you know more, just that the circumstances are extremely different. I have had excellent luck adding and removing features, and making minor changes to many different brands of car to allow them to work properly under the conditions I use them in, which are often somewhat different from those they were designed for. I don't, for example consider the fact that I prefer to add a loud audible alarm to my oil pressure and coolant level sensors an assault on the competence of the company who decided not to include one from the factory. Sincerely, Tyler On Oct 9, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: I have done quite a few engine swaps, even put a v-8 in a body made for 6 cyl inline ONLY. That was an adventure. I have worked on everything from tractors to medium duty trucks, houses, commercial buildings concrete, etc. I do not presume to know more about suspension than the team of German-trained engineers (real engineers) that designed the 123 SLS system. tyler, have at it, but I sincerely hope you are never coming toward me with your frankenheap on an Icy curve with a bump on a rainy night. At 06:34 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote: *Ahem* I believe the term here is put up or shut up. If its so easy just take a long weekend at Andrew's and show us how awesome you can make his car. I'm sure he'd give you dinner... -Curt Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:48:30 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4acfbdbe.4020...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It IS trivial to use a spring with the correct spring rate... Anyone that can do an engine swap, could do this much cheaper and easier. Tyler Peter T. Arnold wrote: GO for it! Redesign it. I'm sure that the effort would be trivial to a fellow like you. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/cfb2e204/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
PEOPLE! I have two wagons - one with its original SLS and the other a spring/shock conversion to go with a replacement non-300TD engine. You are welcome to test drive and compare. I have done this many times, however, and while I can state with certainty that the non-SLS 300TD is safe to drive, the correctly suspended (?) 300TD has a more comfortable, stable suspension and is there fore more fun to drive. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: Modifications aren't about knowing more than Mercedes or re-inventing the wheel- fitting a proper rate spring and damper to give you the handling you want isn't magic or rocket science- there are dozens of books about it and it's done properly on almost every car made, including the vast majority of W123s. The ONLY difference is that the wagon has more weight in the rear end and cargo capacity, requiring a different spring rate and dampener valve. How different? Look at the same engineering books as the magic mercedes engineers looked at, and calculate it the same way they did for the sedan. Why did they go to all of the extra trouble and expense of the hydraulic system then? Because it gives a smoother ride, and it's a good marketing gimmick- not because a spring is dangerous or less reliable. I for one prefer a stiffer ride and better handling than most car buyers, so it's reasonable for me to modify the suspension on my vehicles accordingly- and I do careful research and make conservative changes to ensure that the result is safe and reliable. There's nothing wrong with modifying a vehicle to suit your needs, if you know what you're doing and why you're doing it. It doesn't have to mean that you think the origional engineers were wrong to do what they did, or that you know more, just that the circumstances are extremely different. I have had excellent luck adding and removing features, and making minor changes to many different brands of car to allow them to work properly under the conditions I use them in, which are often somewhat different from those they were designed for. I don't, for example consider the fact that I prefer to add a loud audible alarm to my oil pressure and coolant level sensors an assault on the competence of the company who decided not to include one from the factory. Sincerely, Tyler On Oct 9, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: I have done quite a few engine swaps, even put a v-8 in a body made for 6 cyl inline ONLY. That was an adventure. I have worked on everything from tractors to medium duty trucks, houses, commercial buildings concrete, etc. I do not presume to know more about suspension than the team of German-trained engineers (real engineers) that designed the 123 SLS system. tyler, have at it, but I sincerely hope you are never coming toward me with your frankenheap on an Icy curve with a bump on a rainy night. At 06:34 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote: *Ahem* I believe the term here is put up or shut up. If its so easy just take a long weekend at Andrew's and show us how awesome you can make his car. I'm sure he'd give you dinner... -Curt Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:48:30 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4acfbdbe.4020...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It IS trivial to use a spring with the correct spring rate... Anyone that can do an engine swap, could do this much cheaper and easier. Tyler Peter T. Arnold wrote: GO for it! Redesign it. I'm sure that the effort would be trivial to a fellow like you. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/cfb2e204/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/e77f088d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
There's another option that may be somewhat simpler: plumb in another belt-driven high-pressure pump instead of the stupid timing-chain-driven MB pump. At least some of the W124 wagons have a dual-pressure, belt-driven pump (124-460-15-80 Vickers) for steering/self-levelling. That could almost certainly be adapted to a W123... D. At 10:48 PM + 10/9/09, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Message: 11 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:13:22 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Well, were they done properly? There's no inherent reason why a wagon wouldn't handle fine with a regular rear suspension. I'd be willing to bet that most of these conversions use stock sedan springs/shocks from a junkyard, which aren't stiff enough for a wagon. If I were going to do the swap I would cut the sedan springs down and add an aluminum spacer to get the correct ride height and spring rate, and get rear shocks that are valved properly for the increased rear weight (Bilstein will revalve their shocks cheaply). This would certainly be a lot cheaper and easier than replacing an engine- and would allow one to customize the spring and shock rate for the way they use their wagon. There's also a good chance that an aftermarket spring company somewhere makes the correct springs for this conversion. Other options that would work well are nivomat self contained leveling shocks, and air bags in the springs. I'm annoyed that people on here mostly parrot what Marshall said without understanding the context. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
