Re: [MBZ] W116 Value (was 4.5) now w126
More than HP difference Dave. 560SEL came equipped with rear SLS, heated seats front and rear and reclining rear seat along with some other goodies that the 420SEL didn't have. And yes, the 420 engine has proven to be somewhat of a less than desirable lump. John Sent from my iPad On Dec 21, 2010, at 10:05 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: The crankshaft probably needs replacing because the harmonic balancer came loose. But $4k?! He's crazy. The going rate for a 116 SD in the Bay area seems to be about $1800-$2500. If it is a gas model, it simply won't go at all. Especially a 450SE/L. I saw a 76 280SE listed for MONTHS. He reduced repeatedly, from $3k+ successively lower to $1200, with pictures that backed up the following description: The car drives perfectly, the paint is great, the body is flawless with no dents or dings, no rust at all, brand new tires, brakes work great, inline 6 motor gets pretty good mileage, low for the year 165k miles, transmission shifts smooth, engine runs quiet and smooth, interior is in good shape aside from the normal ripping on the drivers seat (see pic), clean title, no accidents, no cracks in any windows, all power windows work, pioneer CD player with detachable face plate My next conquest will be a 116! I just need to find one with a sunroof that's NOT PAINTED TAXI BEIGE! This one would be nice: http://www.misterdiesel.com/Albums/80SD/index I think the reason the 123s command a higher price than a 116/126 is the same reason people will pay more for a Volvo 240 than they will a 940: the 240 is a more rugged, simple design without as much complicating luxury. The other steal right now is W126 420SEL. Those seem to sell for lots less than the 560SEL, which makes little sense to me. Are the 4.2 engines a problem, or are people that obsessed with a few extra HP? D. Allan Streib wrote: An acquaintance of mine is wanting to sell me his W116 300SD. It frankly sounds like a basket case. He says it has no rust, but needs a new crankshaft (?!) and the AC doesn't work, and the heater blower doesn't work, and the vacuum system is leaking (has to use the stop lever to shut it off). In that condition, with a straight face, he said he was asking $4000. Allan -- 1983 300D -- David Bruckmann, Palo Alto, CA Current Reality: 1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (200,000 km) Blanche 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) Blauer Engel 1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (200,000 km) Lottie 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (145,000 km) Piaf http://dolly.bruckmann.com/ 1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (200,000 km) Willow Shady Past: 1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) Goettin 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km) 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) Sieglinde 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km) Diva 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) Brown Betty 1981 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,00 0km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) Gertraud 1985 Toyota Camry The Slamry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km) 2002 VW Golf GLS TDI The Hated Golf (74,000 km) -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
The Goon Show! I'd forgotten all about that. Of course, I'm too young to have heard the original broadcasts, but it was re-broadcast well into the '80s. http://www.thegoonshow.net/downloads.asp Have to share this with my brother. -Max From: Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 5:05:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear Alles. Ah! You young whippersnappers! The best was The Goon Show on the radio! Spike Milligan, Peter Sellers, Harry Secombe and Michael Bentine. Those were the days! You really had to exercise your imagination. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 12/21/2010 4:51 PM, E M wrote: Coronation Street gets my vote. It's pretty much a religion over there! Ed 300E On 21 December 2010 16:18, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think for my generation Dr. Who is the definition of British TV... but I knew about British TV, I grew up on Dr. Who... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is the list active?
Larry, You've got a receive problem on your end, list has been very active. Check your junk mail filter? -Max From: l02tur...@comcast.net l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 6:50:19 PM Subject: [MBZ] Is the list active? Hi All - I haven’t rec’d anything since 12/17 – is the list alive and Well? Thx Larry 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Did I hose my rear SLS valve?
Glad to hear that it's working again! I'm wondering if the output of your pump is sufficient - maybe the system is occasionally starving for pressure, so either one end or the other will work, but not enough pressure for both? -Max From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 1:33:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Did I hose my rear SLS valve? Thanks for the suggestions, Philip and Max. I'm at a loss to say what I did differently, but when I went back to mess with the car tonight, both ends pumped up to the same height within a few seconds of starting the engine. It had been sitting overnight with the lever on the rear level control valve at the upper end of its travel (i.e. in theory tricking the car into thinking that there's a lot of weight in the trunk so that it pressurizes the rear struts to maximum to compensate). No idea why the rear end stayed down when I put the lever in the same position yesterday. I do remember the car doing something similar before; when I had just bought it I tried everything I could think of to get both ends up to make it easier to load onto the U-Haul car trailer, but one end or the other stayed down. Then when I got it home and drove it off the trailer, both ends immediately rose up properly and stayed there. Max wrote: Perhaps the SLS valve was already dead? I sure hope not, but now I'm a bit worried about it. It rained a lot today and the car is now sitting in a big mudpit, so I was disinclined to play with it for long, but tomorrow I intend to thoroughly test the valve. I'll put the car up on ramps, reattach the link from the level control valve arm to the swaybar, and drive it over some bumps with loads of varying weight in the trunk. Philip wrote: If it truly is the same as the 123, the valve is actually pretty robust. I don't know what valve ball they are referring to - I didn't see any inside the valve I had apart. They aren't the same, unfortunately. David Bruckmann, I think it was, posted something here a while back from an authoritative source about how the level valves in the 6.9 were built to extraordinary high tolerances, hence the order-of-magnitude difference in price between one of them and the rear SLS valve on the S123, S124, 560SEL, etc. (I exaggerate, but not much). Did the suspension level change when you broomsticked the valve? Not yesterday, when the car stayed as low as it can go regardless of what I did. Tomorrow I'll test thoroughly and report back. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
We'll be eagerly awaiting your results - I REALLY wish I hadn't thrown out the bad struts from my '87 wagon two summers ago. How did you already get the old apart? -Max From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 2:18:46 AM Subject: [MBZ] 560 SEL A set of seals for the SLS rear strut was $8.87 today. Wish me luck! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several different authoritative sources that they are not rebuildable. It hurt badly to throw out the terribly leaky struts from the 88TE, after I had to pay for new struts. But I looked over the greasy hulks and did not see any way to get them apart without total destruction. So, I tossed them. You did the right thing. We'll be eagerly awaiting your results - I REALLY wish I hadn't thrown out the bad struts from my '87 wagon two summers ago. How did you already get the old apart? -Max From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 2:18:46 AM Subject: [MBZ] 560 SEL A set of seals for the SLS rear strut was $8.87 today. Wish me luck! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Fmiser wrote: No. Nearly all http servers are set to resume. Usually I run into trouble with the ones that are not http but use some sort of database backend. php, javascript, etc. The commercial file exchanges, like hotfile, fileserve, filesonic, megaserve, etc, where I go to download large video files all provide a limited free service with one parallel connection and no pause/restart. If you want to pay, you can maintain multiple connections and restart downloads from the failure point. I have no idea whether they use http, ftp, or something else. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lost midwest - was: American Top Gear
Fmiser wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Or magazine people. I can name one magazine (Vintage Truck) dedicated to vehicles not from the LA area... What about Automobile? Based in MI. But it's mostly about new cars. When I subscribed to Autoweek, it was published from Michigan. Don't know about now. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
How did you already get the old apart? Snap rings hold it [strut] together. You need two thin wrenches to get the ball joint off the bottom. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
OK, didn't realize there was a difference between 126 struts and 124. -Max From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 9:04:41 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several different authoritative sources that they are not rebuildable. It hurt badly to throw out the terribly leaky struts from the 88TE, after I had to pay for new struts. But I looked over the greasy hulks and did not see any way to get them apart without total destruction. So, I tossed them. You did the right thing. We'll be eagerly awaiting your results - I REALLY wish I hadn't thrown out the bad struts from my '87 wagon two summers ago. How did you already get the old apart? -Max From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 2:18:46 AM Subject: [MBZ] 560 SEL A set of seals for the SLS rear strut was $8.87 today. Wish me luck! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
Walt Zarnoch wrote: That's the one! I'm glad laserdisc won out, or we'd be in the stone age still... Was all before my time, but it helped shape life as I know it. I've toyed with the idea of using a record cutter as a way to hide data in plain sight, dump a low-baud modem into it, dump the data(with some ecc) to it, then frame it on the wall. The things I think of when bored... I've got a Wilcox-Gay Recordio, but I doubt that very many others have a vinyl recording system at home. It was my grandmother's. I was aghast when I saw it up for auction at her estate sale, along with 3-4 dozen discs that nobody knew what was recorded on them. I didn't really want it, but I couldn't let the discs go. If I'd known about it before the sale, I would have tried to fire it up before the sale and see what was on the discs, then let it go to auction with any blank discs we had. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
Allan Streib wrote: he's asking 4000, not 400. I noticed. But it's worth closer to 400. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several different authoritative sources that they are not rebuildable. Did you see: http://bmwe32.masscom.net/gavin/LAD_strut_rebuild.htm Does that crimped-on cap look anything like your strut? Mine doesn't have that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several different authoritative sources that they are not rebuildable. Did you see: http://bmwe32.masscom.net/gavin/LAD_strut_rebuild.htm That page agrees with what I've read about the internals of the struts---they are a VERY simple mechanism and the only hard part is just getting them apart to get to the seals. Should be a lot easier job than rebuilding, say, a motorcycle fork (which people do all the time). I too will be following your progress closely, Jim! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:59 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The Goon Show! I'd forgotten all about that. Of course, I'm too young to have heard the original broadcasts, but it was re-broadcast well into the '80s. http://www.thegoonshow.net/downloads.asp Thanks for the link, Max. I'd only heard snippets before. Excellent listening for those interested in Monty Python, the Beatles, or Douglas Adams, all of whom have cited the Goon Show as a formative influence in interviews I've read. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Did I hose my rear SLS valve?
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm wondering if the output of your pump is sufficient - maybe the system is occasionally starving for pressure, so either one end or the other will work, but not enough pressure for both? Another good suggestion. I think the FSM has a test for pump pressure based on fill rate (stick the business end of the hose into a graduated vessel, etc.). I was thinking about rebuilding the pump anyway at some point. (The car has green antifreeze, so I need to flush the cooling system. I might as well take the radiator out and change all the coolant hoses at the same time, which would make access to the hydraulic pump a heck of a lot easier.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL -- now hyd cylinder
I have a really old hydraulic floor jack with a leaky cylinder, have thought for some time to try to rehabilitate it. Are those similarly arranged? Parts available? Or should I take it off and take it to a shop and have them deal with it? --R On 12/22/2010 9:37 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several different authoritative sources that they are not rebuildable. Did you see: http://bmwe32.masscom.net/gavin/LAD_strut_rebuild.htm Does that crimped-on cap look anything like your strut? Mine doesn't have that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:53 -0600, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Even on the West Coast it is definitely a seller's market for nice used Vanagons. Tremendous GVWR, more room inside than a Suburban, and very maneuverable. The only weakness is the engine and transmission, but that can be alleviated with a Subaru drivetrain transplant... I want one - with a _dependable_ diesel engine. I think I'm out of luck. Maybe I can fit a 4BT back there... A few people have put VW TDI engines in. Still probably not reliable by Mercedes diesel standards. If Subaru ever brings their boxer diesel over to the USA I'm sure people will be putting those in Vanagons. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I've toyed with the idea of using a record cutter as a way to hide data in plain sight, dump a low-baud modem into it, dump the data(with some ecc) to it, then frame it on the wall. You'd have an easier time doing that with cassette tapes, and the security would be almost as good, wouldn't it? Label them as Grateful Dead bootlegs or something, and put them in with the rest of your old dusty tapes that you never listen to anymore. I used cassettes for mass storage with my first computer, an Atari 400, and I had a friend who did so with an IBM XT (he didn't have the optional floppy drives, let alone a hard disk; later on he upgraded to two 360K full-height floppies and a 10 Mb HardCard, which seemed like astoundingly advanced technology for the time). I once played at high volume on the family stereo a tape containing some BASIC programs I'd typed in from a magazine, and was severely reprimanded for scaring the dog. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
Have you gone back and watched some of the Tom Baker stuff? Pretty primitive considering it was post-Star Wars. BBC sci-fi shows were notorious for their small budget but carried largely on strength of story, The Tripods was a good example where they worked around budget issues but had a very good show. I can't believe you never saw All Creatures Great and Small! Great books and a great show. Very cinematic and of course seeing them bang about in cars from the '20s and '30s... I dunno if it shows up on NetFlix but the DVDs are out and totally worth seeing again. You know how some shows don't age well? This one is like a fine wine. -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 19:34:17 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear Message-ID: 20101221193417.62117e3b.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: The new show looks really amazing, you can see a much bigger budget I don't know. Technology as progress a _lot_ since those early shows. A lot of them were bleeding edges stuff. But may didn't get imported to the US market until they were already outclassed. but I'm all about Tom Baker. I've actually got some MP3s of him reading some Dr. Who books. Cool. I have a hard time picking one. Patrick Troughton, Tom Baker and Sylvester McCoy are my favorites from before the break. I can't really speak for after the break. I have only seen Christopher Eccleston. Okay so now that I think of it there are quite a few others I remember from my childhood: All Creatures Great and Small That was a TV show too? I know it as a book series by James Harriot. Good stuff too! Red Dwarf They're dead, Dave. There all dead, Dave I've never had opportunity to get into Black Adder although I hear good things... Other good ones are: Monty Python Fawlty Towers -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL -- now hyd cylinder
Have one of those dead floor jacks also, I have to say that I've lost confidence in the thing at this point and I'm not sure I'd want myself or anyone else to use it. -Max From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 10:05:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL -- now hyd cylinder I have a really old hydraulic floor jack with a leaky cylinder, have thought for some time to try to rehabilitate it. Are those similarly arranged? Parts available? Or should I take it off and take it to a shop and have them deal with it? --R On 12/22/2010 9:37 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several different authoritative sources that they are not rebuildable. Did you see: http://bmwe32.masscom.net/gavin/LAD_strut_rebuild.htm Does that crimped-on cap look anything like your strut? Mine doesn't have that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL -- now hyd cylinder
Rich Thomas wrote: I have a really old hydraulic floor jack with a leaky cylinder, have thought for some time to try to rehabilitate it. Are those similarly arranged? Parts available? Or should I take it off and take it to a shop and have them deal with it? Hydraulic cylinders are usually held together with a screw on cap. Always fun finding a way to apply huge torque to the cylinder body (and the cap, if the cap isn't a hex head). I took my grandfather's (1975-1980 vintage) small floor jack to a shop about 20 years ago, and they told me it wasn't fixable. I never threw it away, intend to tear it apart some day but never have. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
When did the 116 actually start? I know the diesels were only '79 and '80... A friend has a couple 116 300SDs and they fantastic road cars. Roomier than a 123 with road gripping weight but not ponderous like a Cadillac from the same period. I had one of his for a weekend (while he got stuck with my 240D ;) ) and really enjoyed it. Someday I hope to have a garage and keep a 116 as a toy car. Actually a 116 also tops my list of cars to take cross country, closely followed by a 123 wagon. -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:32:19 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar Message-ID: aanlktinr6od_pas=h4vgm+io2d=wuzq=vwgp68wp9...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But Dan, they were such a huge jump from the 108/109 cars. They established the classic layout of instruments and controls that were used for many generations of cars. Suspension was much improved (ball joints and rubber bushings!), and alot of these design features were carried over onto the W123 and W126. Handling is superior to the W108, and not much different from a W126. Integrated heating and air conditioning systems started with the 116. Sound insulation, interior safety and comfort features, were all superior. The list goes on and on. If anything, I'd say a W126 is really just a small step away from the W116, where the real engineering advances occurred. Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:02 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I (personally) always considered the W116 a transitional model for Mercedes. I say that because they seemed to be in a sort of void engineering-wise between the really basic analog models like the W108 or W111 and the later W123 and W126. The styling was a little wonky, too. ?At least I thought so Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
Why 'zat? I've had a couple v6s and while I find them generally uninspiring I can't think of anything to really dislike them for. -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:35:56 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL Message-ID: a062408cbc93712682...@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed nope, just speculation. Find a rusty 2.5T, find a trans flywheel that would be compatible etc. The 603 is slanted some. I think you could add a little more slant if need be. I've never seen the 2.7 sprinter engine, but it seems likely to be a descendant of the 5cyl version of the 606. I really don't want a v-6. I'd ranter have a 601 and do without the power than put in a v-anything other than an original v-8. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: A few people have put VW TDI engines in. Still probably not reliable by Mercedes diesel standards. The TDI's a great engine, if you change the timing belt on schedule and use a good synthetic oil. Of course both of those things are too difficult for the average owner to accomplish. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
So the one I've been discussing does sound like the harmonic balancer is loose. Does that really mean a new crankshaft? Or can the bolt be drilled, re-tapped/chased, and just bolt the balancer back on? If the car really is rust free, and doesn't need the engine torn open, I might consider it. Allan On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:16 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: When did the 116 actually start? I know the diesels were only '79 and '80... A friend has a couple 116 300SDs and they fantastic road cars. Roomier than a 123 with road gripping weight but not ponderous like a Cadillac from the same period. I had one of his for a weekend (while he got stuck with my 240D ;) ) and really enjoyed it. Someday I hope to have a garage and keep a 116 as a toy car. Actually a 116 also tops my list of cars to take cross country, closely followed by a 123 wagon. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
Curt Raymond wrote: When did the 116 actually start? I know the diesels were only '79 and '80... 1972 elsewhere, 1973 here. I once drove way too far to look at three 1972 SEs and SELs. Turned out to be a W108 long, a W108 short, and a W114. Could have had all three for $500-600, and they were basically complete. Unfortunately, I needed W116 parts, and didn't have time/space to deal with those then. I knew that W116 started in 1972, but didn't know that MBUSA didn't sell W116s in 1972. The 108s were both 4.5s IIRC, the 114 was six, I think with carbs. The seller was surprised when I pointed out that one of them was not S-classe. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Thats a good one! You should submit it. Actually I've got enough contacts in LA it seems like I ought be know somebody that works on the show... I think Chrysler in the '80s and '90s was the worst for this sort of marketing malarky. Another good one might be American 4cyl Turbo. My wife had a Dodge Lancer turbo which was a K car tarted up a bit with a good turbo charged engine that the chassis really couldn't handle. I'd like to know what the PT Cruiser with the turbo drives like. I had a PT Cruiser as a rental once and I thought its handling was soft and not-confidence inspiring. With more power I think it'd be scary. Ooo, what about American car makers ruined: where they show off a classic American car and then show the monstrosity it spawned. Show a classic Mustang next to a 4cyl automatic Mustang from about 1984... -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:34:38 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlktimwktgoyqmmtvapx7aevuuzzsss8lcq+hsyt...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Okay - got an idea - War of the Sports. On my way to work today I got stuck behind a early 90s Dodge Grand Caravan SPORT. This reminded me that chrysler had a trip package SPORT which I think bsically meant that the name of the car was the same color as the car and the word sport was written in script somewhere on the car. A group of tests show which SPORT is the best. I think the dakota, Neon, minivans came in the sport trip package - any takers? This way American top gear could jsut copy my idea. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Okay Sounds great whats our location for filming and what are the tests. I recommend a completely different test. One where the Mom\Wife drives the car for a week getting kids in and out running into small objects, ignoring the temperature gauge and such and not checking any fluid. The car that wins at the end is still running. We would have to allow some type of handy cap for the 06 - that's still pretty new and should perform flawlessly. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: OR a three way: 68 Dodge van Sport vs 86 Dodge van Sport vs 06 Dodge van Sport Sweet - we could have a battle to decide of the 66 sport van can beat out the 92 On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The original Dodge van of 1968 or so had a sport model. In 1966, the original chevy van had a Sportvan model. Our 66 chevy Sportvan was named Fred. Kinda like this one: http://www.aje826.net/tony/my_1966_chevrolet_sportvan_delux.htm Okay - got an idea - War of the Sports. On my way to work today I got stuck behind a early 90s Dodge Grand Caravan SPORT. This reminded me that chrysler had a trip package SPORT which I think bsically meant that the name of the car was the same color as the car and the word sport was written in script somewhere on the car. A group of tests show which SPORT is the best. I think the dakota, Neon, minivans came in the sport trip package - any takers? This way American top gear could jsut copy my idea. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: MG wrote: Wouldn't know how good they are as I never watched them. I'm on a phone line. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it! Can you download 150 meg overnight? Fmiser wrote: 10-11 MB per hour is pretty typical here. _I_ don't sleep that long, but over the course of a couple nights - presuming the server allows resume. Mitch Haley wrote: Restarting a download would require a paid subscription to any of the download servers I've seen. No. Nearly all http servers are set to resume. Usually I run into trouble with the ones that are not http but use some sort of database backend. php, javascript, etc. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:18 -0800, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: A few people have put VW TDI engines in. Still probably not reliable by Mercedes diesel standards. The TDI's a great engine, if you change the timing belt on schedule and use a good synthetic oil. Of course both of those things are too difficult for the average owner to accomplish. Indeed. I saw a TDI Jetta pulling into a quick-lube place the other day, and wondered if it'd get the proper oil or just their standard recycled 10W-30. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Or a battle of the K Car knockoffs??? Remember the Dodge Omni GLH? That was actually not a bad little car. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Thats a good one! You should submit it. Actually I've got enough contacts in LA it seems like I ought be know somebody that works on the show... I think Chrysler in the '80s and '90s was the worst for this sort of marketing malarky. Another good one might be American 4cyl Turbo. My wife had a Dodge Lancer turbo which was a K car tarted up a bit with a good turbo charged engine that the chassis really couldn't handle. I'd like to know what the PT Cruiser with the turbo drives like. I had a PT Cruiser as a rental once and I thought its handling was soft and not-confidence inspiring. With more power I think it'd be scary. Ooo, what about American car makers ruined: where they show off a classic American car and then show the monstrosity it spawned. Show a classic Mustang next to a 4cyl automatic Mustang from about 1984... -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:34:38 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlktimwktgoyqmmtvapx7aevuuzzsss8lcq+hsyt...@mail.gmail.comaanlktimwktgoyqmmtvapx7aevuuzzsss8lcq%2bhsyt...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Okay - got an idea - War of the Sports. On my way to work today I got stuck behind a early 90s Dodge Grand Caravan SPORT. This reminded me that chrysler had a trip package SPORT which I think bsically meant that the name of the car was the same color as the car and the word sport was written in script somewhere on the car. A group of tests show which SPORT is the best. I think the dakota, Neon, minivans came in the sport trip package - any takers? This way American top gear could jsut copy my idea. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
Put in a 4BT and watch the nose head for the sky... How big is a Thermoking reefer engine? I don't think a 616 would work but it might have enough oomph. Maybe as a mind engine? ;) -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:53:05 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value Message-ID: 20101221225305.5ec5a4dc.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Alex Chamberlain wrote: Even on the West Coast it is definitely a seller's market for nice used Vanagons. Tremendous GVWR, more room inside than a Suburban, and very maneuverable. The only weakness is the engine and transmission, but that can be alleviated with a Subaru drivetrain transplant... I want one - with a _dependable_ diesel engine. I think I'm out of luck. Maybe I can fit a 4BT back there... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lost midwest - was: American Top Gear
Is it? To think I get that magazine too... Last summer Jet Blue was converting to a new points system and as I didn't have enough points to get a free flight they let me convert them into magazine subscriptions. So I get Motor Trend, Automobile, Outside and Cycle World, each for 3 years... It takes MANY points to get a free flight on Jet Blue, like 1000 and they only give you around 12 points for flying back and forth across the country... -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:57:01 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost midwest - was: American Top Gear Message-ID: 20101221225701.8a144684.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Are you implying that there is more to the USA than LA and NYC?? That is sacrilege! No network or movie? people want that info to leak out! Curt Raymond wrote: Or magazine people. I can name one magazine (Vintage Truck) dedicated to vehicles not from the LA area... What about Automobile? Based in MI. But it's mostly about new cars. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Last night I watched the UK top gear episode where they go to Miami, buy three cars for $1000 each, and then drive to New Orleans. Another hysterically funny episode. Allan On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:23 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Thats a good one! You should submit it. Actually I've got enough contacts in LA it seems like I ought be know somebody that works on the show... I think Chrysler in the '80s and '90s was the worst for this sort of marketing malarky. Another good one might be American 4cyl Turbo. My wife had a Dodge Lancer turbo which was a K car tarted up a bit with a good turbo charged engine that the chassis really couldn't handle. I'd like to know what the PT Cruiser with the turbo drives like. I had a PT Cruiser as a rental once and I thought its handling was soft and not-confidence inspiring. With more power I think it'd be scary. Ooo, what about American car makers ruined: where they show off a classic American car and then show the monstrosity it spawned. Show a classic Mustang next to a 4cyl automatic Mustang from about 1984... -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:34:38 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlktimwktgoyqmmtvapx7aevuuzzsss8lcq+hsyt...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Okay - got an idea - War of the Sports. On my way to work today I got stuck behind a early 90s Dodge Grand Caravan SPORT. This reminded me that chrysler had a trip package SPORT which I think bsically meant that the name of the car was the same color as the car and the word sport was written in script somewhere on the car. A group of tests show which SPORT is the best. I think the dakota, Neon, minivans came in the sport trip package - any takers? This way American top gear could jsut copy my idea. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:26 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Put in a 4BT and watch the nose head for the sky... How big is a Thermoking reefer engine? I don't think a 616 would work but it might have enough oomph. Maybe as a mind engine? ;) Unfortunately there's really not room for anything but a boxer. And you're right about the weight, the VW waterboxer doesn't weigh much, having no traditional block and the case is all aluminum. When VW put their 1.8l diesel 4cyl in the Vanagon, they had to mount it at an angle, with a special oil pan. Bostig Engineering sells a kit to put a Ford Zetec in, they mount it straight up and down and you do lose a fair bit of ground clearance . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lost midwest - was: American Top Gear
Hey - I have seen 3 american top gears so far. 1 was filmed I beleive alot at an Arizona airforce base, one at the proving grounds in Michigan, one in alabama or some other southern moonshine state maybe Georgia. One segament about the truck vs. the skydiver was filmed in New Mexico I think. The segament that I can think of on the coast was the car vs. skier. Am I missing something. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Are you implying that there is more to the USA than LA and NYC? That is sacrilege! No network or movie people want that info to leak out! Curt Raymond wrote: Or magazine people. I can name one magazine (Vintage Truck) dedicated to vehicles not from the LA area... What about Automobile? Based in MI. But it's mostly about new cars. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
Think so? I was under the impression the generally accepted comparison was Laserdisc was about the same as VHS. DVD has twice the vertical lines of resolution. Digital compression throws a monkey wrench in to but I generally prefer DVD for quality. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 02:06:32 -0500 From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlkti=iuy5w1rqrdgzb+ovfr1sw7ezadhpa=wtfx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now THAT is something! Laserdisc, better quality than original DVD, but bigger. What was that old vinyl record style video system RCA had? Anyone have one? :p Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
Allan Streib wrote: So the one I've been discussing does sound like the harmonic balancer is loose. Does that really mean a new crankshaft? Or can the bolt be drilled, re-tapped/chased, and just bolt the balancer back on? If the key is messed up, replace the key. If the keyway in the balancer is messed up, replace the balancer and key. If the keyway in the crank is sloppy, you can either rebroach the keyway in the crank for a slightly larger key, or simply bolt the balancer back on and drill a hole through the balancer/crank junction, then drive a pin into the hole. I think Davide on the banned list may have done this last year. Otherwise, it's probably cheaper/faster to swap in a 300D turbo engine, bolt you W116 accessories to it, than to tear down, replace crank, and fit new bearings. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
I did a 4.154 Perkins diesel conversion in one many years ago. It helped to have a friend who was a machinist - he was able to make the flywheel housing adapter and flywheel for me. The worst part was having to tweak the rear suspension to compensate for the added weight of the diesel engine. We had to RR the torsion bars in the back several times to get the right ride height. There was some concern about breaking a torsion bar, but they were cheap and easy to replace, so we figured that was a risk we would take. Dan --- On Wed, 12/22/10, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 10:09 AM On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:53 -0600, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Even on the West Coast it is definitely a seller's market for nice used Vanagons. Tremendous GVWR, more room inside than a Suburban, and very maneuverable. The only weakness is the engine and transmission, but that can be alleviated with a Subaru drivetrain transplant... I want one - with a _dependable_ diesel engine. I think I'm out of luck. Maybe I can fit a 4BT back there... A few people have put VW TDI engines in. Still probably not reliable by Mercedes diesel standards. If Subaru ever brings their boxer diesel over to the USA I'm sure people will be putting those in Vanagons. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
These were the main reasons I shied away from buying a VW for my last car purchase. Without some sort of maintenance records available the cars are a ticking time bomb. That and the cost of OE parts - VW parts make MB OE parts look cheap. Dan --- On Wed, 12/22/10, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 10:18 AM On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: A few people have put VW TDI engines in. Still probably not reliable by Mercedes diesel standards. The TDI's a great engine, if you change the timing belt on schedule and use a good synthetic oil. Of course both of those things are too difficult for the average owner to accomplish. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
Ugh, the 400 with the horrible membrane keyboard... I had an Atari 130XE which was the last of the 8 bit breed. I even had 128Kb of RAM, less floppy disk switching that way. My first computer was a TI99/4A which I still have and used audio tapes with, which I still have. I've toyed with the idea of recording them to MP3 to save for posterity. Of course that said I'm sure somebody else already has. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:12:49 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlktimqnnnco8e9k9l7avdwyt=fdx31tajojhu7k...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I've toyed with the idea of using a record cutter as a way to hide data in plain sight, dump a low-baud modem into it, dump the data(with some ecc) to it, then frame it on the wall. You'd have an easier time doing that with cassette tapes, and the security would be almost as good, wouldn't it? Label them as Grateful Dead bootlegs or something, and put them in with the rest of your old dusty tapes that you never listen to anymore. I used cassettes for mass storage with my first computer, an Atari 400, and I had a friend who did so with an IBM XT (he didn't have the optional floppy drives, let alone a hard disk; later on he upgraded to two 360K full-height floppies and a 10 Mb HardCard, which seemed like astoundingly advanced technology for the time). I once played at high volume on the family stereo a tape containing some BASIC programs I'd typed in from a magazine, and was severely reprimanded for scaring the dog. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
You get the cars and bring 'em to southern New England, I'll arrange a crew and we'll shoot. Seriously, I have the technology for the shoot... ;) -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:24:09 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlktima3pivcru9py4ue=_j6zmjg_hrtsqxqxhpy...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Okay Sounds great whats our location for filming and what are the tests. I recommend a completely different test. One where the Mom\Wife drives the car for a week getting kids in and out running into small objects, ignoring the temperature gauge and such and not checking any fluid. The car that wins at the end is still running. We would have to allow some type of handy cap for the 06 - that's still pretty new and should perform flawlessly. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: OR a three way: 68 Dodge van Sport vs 86 Dodge van Sport vs 06 Dodge van Sport ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Peter Hertzing wrote: Or a battle of the K Car knockoffs??? Remember the Dodge Omni GLH? That was actually not a bad little car. The L body was pretty good. Better than an Escort, anyway. Predated the K-body by three years, so wasn't a K-derivative like all the other FWDs of the mid 1980s. But the 2.2L K-engine was available in the Omni-Horizon from about 1982 on, then they gave up on the VW and Peugot engines and offered only 2.2s in the L from 1987-1990. I had a 1989 Horizon, surprisingly it came with the 3.56:1 final drive ratio used in the GLH. Put 14 aluminum wheels from a Daytona on it, with KYB adjustable struts up front, and Mopar firm shocks with aftermarket springs in back. Didn't pay for GLH brakes (which it sorely needed) or GLH solid mounts for the rear suspension. It felt quicker than my turbo Lancer, and cornered much better, but I only got about 37mpg hwy with that short ratio tranny. A friend had a 1987, he got 41mpg on trips, and his car had a carburetor, but it also had taller gears. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Yuck! When I was over in '88 it was Neighbors, I can still remember the theme song. I was 13 and HATED the show but everybody was watching it. -Curt If I remember correctly, the Queen herself was in the series finale of Neighbors EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've never had opportunity to get into Black Adder although I hear good things... -Curt Black Adder is interesting in how each season is a distinctly different series. Each season shift forward in time a bit. Until finally, in the Black Adder Christmas Special, we see the future from Black Adder's standpoint. (This means each season can be watched independently as they don't exactly build directly from the other, but some historical puns from earlier will be lost if you do watch them out of order.) EdB -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
Good points, Jaime, and ones I had not considered. In my case, the W116 chassis cars are one model I skipped ownership of. The ones I have seen or worked on have been less than ideal examples, which has, no doubt, colored my opinions of them. The body style never appealed to me, and many of the ones I have seen have been real beaters or in Stage 4 body cancer. That being said, I think a 6.9 would be a fun car to have in the W116 line, more from a performance standpoint than looks. While many of the advancements that took place in the W116 were certainly major improvements over the former models, another thing that sort of poisoned my opinion were things like the ACC system. These efforts on MB's part to achieve progress were pretty lousy, and got resolved in later model lines like the W123 and W126. Of all the MBs I've owned over the years, my 1982 300SD was, by far, the best. From reliability, simplicity, ease of operation and maintenance, the W126 was, in my opinion, the jewel in the crown of MB for many years. After the 300SD it would be a tie between my 1992 300E and 1988 420SEL. The 300E was a great car, but the interior comfort was not even close to that of the W126 chassis cars. The 420SEL had the wonderful long wheelbase W126 body, but the engine was a ticking time bomb (literally!) I like the simplicity of the W111 models - call them austere of you like - but they are easy to repair and maintain and are quite rugged with the unique good looks of an MB. A nice finnie is always a head-turner, not just because of it's age, but it's subtle styling that makes it both different and innocuous at the same time. Take that up a notch to the W112 and you have a really nice car, but the expense of a very technically advanced car for its time. My 1962 300SE was a wonderful car, but any time it hiccuped I freaked out, fearing that one of it's unobtanium parts was going to fail... Thanks for the insight to the W116 chassis cars - I have long given them the short look for a lot of reasons, but your comments certainly point out their significance in the development of the product line. Dan --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 9:32 PM But Dan, they were such a huge jump from the 108/109 cars. They established the classic layout of instruments and controls that were used for many generations of cars. Suspension was much improved (ball joints and rubber bushings!), and alot of these design features were carried over onto the W123 and W126. Handling is superior to the W108, and not much different from a W126. Integrated heating and air conditioning systems started with the 116. Sound insulation, interior safety and comfort features, were all superior. The list goes on and on. If anything, I'd say a W126 is really just a small step away from the W116, where the real engineering advances occurred. Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:02 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I (personally) always considered the W116 a transitional model for Mercedes. I say that because they seemed to be in a sort of void engineering-wise between the really basic analog models like the W108 or W111 and the later W123 and W126. The styling was a little wonky, too. At least I thought so Dan --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 8:48 PM Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: That is great news, I hope it holds true. I have a whole bunch of 116's sitting around that I am thinking about sending to the crusher as nobody wants 116 parts. Right now it seems like the 123 and early 126 cars are the cheap beater cars (in that phase right now). It would be great to get them to collector status. An acquaintance of mine is wanting to sell me his W116 300SD. It frankly sounds like a basket case. He says it has no rust, but needs a new crankshaft (?!) and the AC doesn't work, and the heater blower doesn't work, and the vacuum system is leaking (has to use the stop lever to shut it off). In that condition, with a straight face, he said he was asking $4000. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
My Mom had a 4 door Omni with a stick and the wood grain trim (contact paper!) Dad bought one of the TC3 Turismo models later on. Sort of a cool car for the time (I recall it having one of the first moon roofs I had ever seen) but still a Dodge/Chrysler product. He regained his senses after that car and bought a Honda Prelude. Dan --- On Wed, 12/22/10, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 11:08 AM Peter Hertzing wrote: Or a battle of the K Car knockoffs??? Remember the Dodge Omni GLH? That was actually not a bad little car. The L body was pretty good. Better than an Escort, anyway. Predated the K-body by three years, so wasn't a K-derivative like all the other FWDs of the mid 1980s. But the 2.2L K-engine was available in the Omni-Horizon from about 1982 on, then they gave up on the VW and Peugot engines and offered only 2.2s in the L from 1987-1990. I had a 1989 Horizon, surprisingly it came with the 3.56:1 final drive ratio used in the GLH. Put 14 aluminum wheels from a Daytona on it, with KYB adjustable struts up front, and Mopar firm shocks with aftermarket springs in back. Didn't pay for GLH brakes (which it sorely needed) or GLH solid mounts for the rear suspension. It felt quicker than my turbo Lancer, and cornered much better, but I only got about 37mpg hwy with that short ratio tranny. A friend had a 1987, he got 41mpg on trips, and his car had a carburetor, but it also had taller gears. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Kia Sedona
The 05 Sedona is the second gen body of the vehicle. My wife drives the first gen version, and we've been happy with it. Some of the trim pieces are fairly flemsy plastic, though, so care must be used. Can't beat on them as much as, say, a W123. Just so you know, for comparison of options purposes, the Hyundai Entourage is the same van. EdB On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I am in the market for a vehicle with 3 row (7 passenger) seating. There is a '05 Kia Sedona for sale locally. Any experiences? I believe these sold with a 10/100K warranty, anyone know if that transfers to subsequent owners? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I've come to your planet on a Class IV Intergalactic Doom Freighter. - Adrian Monk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Not knock-offs so much as derivatives... -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:26:34 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlkti=12b0urua01lkkrawafvef=wvyboa4lxmio...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Or a battle of the K Car knockoffs??? Remember the Dodge Omni GLH? That was actually not a bad little car. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Thats a good one! You should submit it. Actually I've got enough contacts in LA it seems like I ought be know somebody that works on the show... I think Chrysler in the '80s and '90s was the worst for this sort of marketing malarky. Another good one might be American 4cyl Turbo. My wife had a Dodge Lancer turbo which was a K car tarted up a bit with a good turbo charged engine that the chassis really couldn't handle. I'd like to know what the PT Cruiser with the turbo drives like. I had a PT Cruiser as a rental once and I thought its handling was soft and not-confidence inspiring. With more power I think it'd be scary. Ooo, what about American car makers ruined: where they show off a classic American car and then show the monstrosity it spawned. Show a classic Mustang next to a 4cyl automatic Mustang from about 1984... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lost midwest - was: American Top Gear
Where is the studio? Where is the test track? Honestly I figured the HALO jump was in in the desert east of LA. It seems like 90% of car shows are centered around How cool is it to go out into the desert east of LA and x? BTW I think you'll find many folks in LA who think Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico are all the desert east of LA ;) -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:37:29 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lost midwest - was: American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlktin5wqsuhv0ri9ibvnkb+ckdszgg_8_ze6e3c...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey - I have seen 3 american top gears so far. 1 was filmed I beleive alot at an Arizona airforce base, one at the proving grounds in Michigan, one in alabama or some other southern moonshine state maybe Georgia. One segament about the truck vs. the skydiver was filmed in New Mexico I think. The segament that I can think of on the coast was the car vs. skier. Am I missing something. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Are you implying that there is more to the USA than LA and NYC? That is sacrilege! No network or movie people want that info to leak out! Curt Raymond wrote: Or magazine people. I can name one magazine (Vintage Truck) dedicated to vehicles not from the LA area... What about Automobile? Based in MI. But it's mostly about new cars. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
When I bought my '03 Ranger a friend bought an '01 Jetta 1.8T, we both paid about $10k. I thought (and still think) he was crazy as my truck had 1/3 the miles @25k. Neither came with any maintenance records. So within a year I had to dismount the pickup bed and weld in a patch to fix a rust hole. A year later thats still fine. I also had to replace the coupler that holds the two halves of the exhaust together, oh and I had to replace the driver's window motor. He's had to do all 4 shocks, oh and the timing belt broke so he had to completely rebuild the motor. So total cost of ownership over 3 years: Ranger: $10,000 purchase price, $250 window motor replacement, $25 patch panel, $10 exhaust coupler = $10,285 Jetta: $10,000 purchase price, $400 shocks, $4000 engine rebuild = $14,400 and his mechanic says Bryan this car is going to nickle and dime you forever. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:57:38 -0800 (PST) From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value Message-ID: 348331.94376...@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 These were the main reasons I shied away from buying a VW for my last car purchase. Without some sort of maintenance records available the cars are a ticking time bomb. That and the cost of OE parts - VW parts make MB OE parts look cheap. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
One thing about a VW, unless it's one of the older 1.8l 8 valve (non-interference) is that if you don't have PROOF of timing belt maintenance, CHANGE IT NOW. Allan On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:46 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: When I bought my '03 Ranger a friend bought an '01 Jetta 1.8T, we both paid about $10k. I thought (and still think) he was crazy as my truck had 1/3 the miles @25k. Neither came with any maintenance records. So within a year I had to dismount the pickup bed and weld in a patch to fix a rust hole. A year later thats still fine. I also had to replace the coupler that holds the two halves of the exhaust together, oh and I had to replace the driver's window motor. He's had to do all 4 shocks, oh and the timing belt broke so he had to completely rebuild the motor. So total cost of ownership over 3 years: Ranger: $10,000 purchase price, $250 window motor replacement, $25 patch panel, $10 exhaust coupler = $10,285 Jetta: $10,000 purchase price, $400 shocks, $4000 engine rebuild = $14,400 and his mechanic says Bryan this car is going to nickle and dime you forever. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:52 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: If the key is messed up, replace the key. If the keyway in the balancer is messed up, replace the balancer and key. How much for a new balancer? Rusty? Kaleb? talking about a W116 300SD. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
My grandfather had a portable record-maker. He bought it in the 40s or 50s. When he died in 1959, my aunt appropriated it, and it was never seen again. About 10 years ago, a cousin sent my dad a cassette recorded from a record my Grandpa sent to his mother back when. It was great! Grandpa sang and told stories. The deal was in WWII, you went to a studio and recorded a disk to send to the troops somewhere. Sometime (probably 1946) the portable recorders became available. Then people sent the recordings to family members across the country. In the 60s, Mag tape on 4 reels became cheaper, so people did the same with mag tape. Walt Zarnoch wrote: That's the one! I'm glad laserdisc won out, or we'd be in the stone age still... Was all before my time, but it helped shape life as I know it. I've toyed with the idea of using a record cutter as a way to hide data in plain sight, dump a low-baud modem into it, dump the data(with some ecc) to it, then frame it on the wall. The things I think of when bored... I've got a Wilcox-Gay Recordio, but I doubt that very many others have a vinyl recording system at home. It was my grandmother's. I was aghast when I saw it up for auction at her estate sale, along with 3-4 dozen discs that nobody knew what was recorded on them. I didn't really want it, but I couldn't let the discs go. If I'd known about it before the sale, I would have tried to fire it up before the sale and see what was on the discs, then let it go to auction with any blank discs we had. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
I don't remember what theTD struts looked like. I threw them out years ago. I read that article when you posted it the first time. With that info, it might be possible to do a Catheyesque repair on them. The 87 TD struts are different and I have been told by several different authoritative sources that they are not rebuildable. Did you see: http://bmwe32.masscom.net/gavin/LAD_strut_rebuild.htm Does that crimped-on cap look anything like your strut? Mine doesn't have that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
Yup. It amazes me they use a belt. Of course they must make some money on the service... Bryan had warning, he took the car in for the shocks and a couple other little things I don't remember, the mechanic said When was the timing belt last changed? Bryan didn't know. The mechanic said to change it soon which I interpreted as right fricking now! but Bryan deferred which I presume the previous owner had also. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:50:37 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value Message-ID: 1293036637.5014.1411627...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One thing about a VW, unless it's one of the older 1.8l 8 valve (non-interference) is that if you don't have PROOF of timing belt maintenance, CHANGE IT NOW. Allan On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:46 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: When I bought my '03 Ranger a friend bought an '01 Jetta 1.8T, we both paid about $10k. I thought (and still think) he was crazy as my truck had 1/3 the miles @25k. Neither came with any maintenance records. So within a year I had to dismount the pickup bed and weld in a patch to fix a rust hole. A year later thats still fine. I also had to replace the coupler that holds the two halves of the exhaust together, oh and I had to replace the driver's window motor. He's had to do all 4 shocks, oh and the timing belt broke so he had to completely rebuild the motor. So total cost of ownership over 3 years: Ranger: $10,000 purchase price, $250 window motor replacement, $25 patch panel, $10 exhaust coupler = $10,285 Jetta: $10,000 purchase price, $400 shocks, $4000 engine rebuild = $14,400 and his mechanic says Bryan this car is going to nickle and dime you forever. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
Good points, and ones that I heard far too many times when researching my last used car purchase. I saw a LOT of nice used VWs in Florida. I was especially enamored of a Passat (gas) wagon that had the AWD option and the V-6. The things that killed that deal were a lack of maintenance records and the gas mileage. It was a beautiful car and in very good cosmetic shape. Alas, the VW dealership could come up with nothing on it's maintenance records. That was a BIG concern of mine. I still like the last version of the Jetta, and would be very happy with one. That being said, the more I researched these cars, the less I liked what I heard. Major repairs (like engine rebuilds from failed timing belts, for example) were frighteningly common, and repair costs were pretty outrageous if you were paying someone to do the work. And OE parts were really expensive and in some cases difficult to get. Dan --- On Wed, 12/22/10, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 1:09 PM Yup. It amazes me they use a belt. Of course they must make some money on the service... Bryan had warning, he took the car in for the shocks and a couple other little things I don't remember, the mechanic said When was the timing belt last changed? Bryan didn't know. The mechanic said to change it soon which I interpreted as right fricking now! but Bryan deferred which I presume the previous owner had also. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:50:37 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value Message-ID: 1293036637.5014.1411627...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One thing about a VW, unless it's one of the older 1.8l 8 valve (non-interference) is that if you don't have PROOF of timing belt maintenance, CHANGE IT NOW. Allan On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:46 -0800, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: When I bought my '03 Ranger a friend bought an '01 Jetta 1.8T, we both paid about $10k. I thought (and still think) he was crazy as my truck had 1/3 the miles @25k. Neither came with any maintenance records. So within a year I had to dismount the pickup bed and weld in a patch to fix a rust hole. A year later thats still fine. I also had to replace the coupler that holds the two halves of the exhaust together, oh and I had to replace the driver's window motor. He's had to do all 4 shocks, oh and the timing belt broke so he had to completely rebuild the motor. So total cost of ownership over 3 years: Ranger: $10,000 purchase price, $250 window motor replacement, $25 patch panel, $10 exhaust coupler = $10,285 Jetta: $10,000 purchase price, $400 shocks, $4000 engine rebuild = $14,400 and his mechanic says Bryan this car is going to nickle and dime you forever. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
I had a '91 Jetta. I never had trouble getting parts or thought they were unusually expensive. I used German Auto Parts as my main supplier back then. Things may have changed since then. Paying a dealer for work on a VW has always been expensive. And for some reason, many VW dealers have very poor customer relationship skills after the sale. Allan On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:29 -0800, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Good points, and ones that I heard far too many times when researching my last used car purchase. I saw a LOT of nice used VWs in Florida. I was especially enamored of a Passat (gas) wagon that had the AWD option and the V-6. The things that killed that deal were a lack of maintenance records and the gas mileage. It was a beautiful car and in very good cosmetic shape. Alas, the VW dealership could come up with nothing on it's maintenance records. That was a BIG concern of mine. I still like the last version of the Jetta, and would be very happy with one. That being said, the more I researched these cars, the less I liked what I heard. Major repairs (like engine rebuilds from failed timing belts, for example) were frighteningly common, and repair costs were pretty outrageous if you were paying someone to do the work. And OE parts were really expensive and in some cases difficult to get. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: But Dan, they were such a huge jump from the 108/109 cars. They established the classic layout of instruments and controls that were used for many generations of cars. That's an important point. One of the things I love about Mercedes is the consistent control layout---no changing it just for the sake of change. I'm partial to 124s and 126s, but I've driven plenty of 123s and 107s, the occasional 116, and even a 202, and all of them felt comfortable and familiar thanks to the lightswitch and the combo switch, among other things, all being the same. Even a Dodge Charger has the same control layout! (Sadly, I read that post-Fiat-acquisition they're going back to the standard Chrysler setup for the 2011 Charger and Chrysler 300, although the 210-chassis-derived suspension will be carried over.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Why 'zat? I've had a couple v6s and while I find them generally uninspiring I can't think of anything to really dislike them for. Bah! A V-6 is an engineering solution in search of a problem. They're inherently rough-running and servicing them in their typical application (transverse in a FWD car) is a nightmare. V engines should come only with cylinders in multiples of four. (Motorcycles are a different matter, of course.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
Tell me about it The wife drives a Mazda6, which has a transverse V-6 in it. The spark plugs should be changed at 80k. You have to remove the (plastic) intake manifold to access the plugs on the bank closest to the firewall. I think flat rate time is a couple of hours for the job, which means 3-4 for me if I've never done it before (and don't run into any problems.) Sorry, but I'll bite the bullet and pay my indie to do it, just like I did for transmission fluid flush, which he did yesterday. Much as I hate to pass this sort of thing on to an outsider, the hassle factor and potential for problems is just too high to risk it, IMHO. Another reason for driving an older car - at least you can still work on them for the most part Dan --- On Wed, 12/22/10, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Bah! A V-6 is an engineering solution in search of a problem. They're inherently rough-running and servicing them in their typical application (transverse in a FWD car) is a nightmare. V engines should come only with cylinders in multiples of four. (Motorcycles are a different matter, of course.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
I had similar sentiments, until I bought the ML - that 320 V6 is sweet. The advantage is more room under the hood. The I6 in the 300E was really crammed in there. No room at either end of the engine. The M112.942 engine seems fine to work on, even in the squashed nose of the ML. I don't know what magic the engineers worked, but I like driving that engine. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Why 'zat? I've had a couple v6s and while I find them generally uninspiring I can't think of anything to really dislike them for. Bah! A V-6 is an engineering solution in search of a problem. They're inherently rough-running and servicing them in their typical application (transverse in a FWD car) is a nightmare. V engines should come only with cylinders in multiples of four. (Motorcycles are a different matter, of course.) Alex -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Nice winter ad, with SL content, and a few familiar faces.
Ok, watching this, I want an old SL!! 280 was the one to have, right? The wagon and G Wagon kinda do it for me too! Funny, watching this, almost makes me wish for snow. Of course, the reality of snow AND salt is much different here! I've washed the daily driver minivan THREE times this week. I know, I usually say I don't like to wash salty cars too often, but I can't stand a dirty car, and I probably won't keep this one long enough for rust to be an issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2edo3kIRqofeature=channel Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
LWB250 wrote: Tell me about it The wife drives a Mazda6, which has a transverse V-6 in it. The spark plugs should be changed at 80k. Transverse V-6 are horrible, but I bet a transverse V-8 is worse. I do prefer a straight 6 for its simplicity and inherent lack of vibration. That said, are there rwd cars which can easily fit a V-6 CDI but not the I-6 CDI? I put platinum plugs in my 3.8L V-6 Taurus when I had the heads off. Never did a normal plug change in that car and didn't want to try it, but I think the back plugs are accessible from below if the exhaust manifold is cold. From above, it's not too bad if you take off the upper intake manifold and valve cover. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Hmm - maybe we need to brush off the Prudhoe bay trip with our old Mercedes - film it, and sell it to one of the shows. Rules - nothing younger than 20 yrs old, at least 100k miles already on the clock. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You get the cars and bring 'em to southern New England, I'll arrange a crew and we'll shoot. Seriously, I have the technology for the shoot... ;) -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lost midwest - was: American Top Gear
And then there are those of us who think that LA is the desert west of the mountians --- On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Where is the studio? Where is the test track? Honestly I figured the HALO jump was in in the desert east of LA. It seems like 90% of car shows are centered around How cool is it to go out into the desert east of LA and x? BTW I think you'll find many folks in LA who think Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico are all the desert east of LA ;) -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
I haven't done the chain on the W124 yet, but everything else has been a snap with that engine. After working on the 911, and a few GM cars that have had their engines in sideways and upside down, the Benz I6 almost allows me to stand in the engine bay while working on it. hee hee. I think the V6 came about to trim costs, as they started to assemble it, and the V8s on the same line, as well as sharing many more components with their bigger V8s. Also gave a bit more crumble room up from over the I6. You can make a V6 pretty smooth, but to do so, involves making it more complicated. The I6 is a naturally balanced engine. Ed 300E On 22 December 2010 15:57, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I had similar sentiments, until I bought the ML - that 320 V6 is sweet. The advantage is more room under the hood. The I6 in the 300E was really crammed in there. No room at either end of the engine. The M112.942 engine seems fine to work on, even in the squashed nose of the ML. I don't know what magic the engineers worked, but I like driving that engine. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Why 'zat? I've had a couple v6s and while I find them generally uninspiring I can't think of anything to really dislike them for. Bah! A V-6 is an engineering solution in search of a problem. They're inherently rough-running and servicing them in their typical application (transverse in a FWD car) is a nightmare. V engines should come only with cylinders in multiples of four. (Motorcycles are a different matter, of course.) Alex -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Transverse V-6 are horrible, but I bet a transverse V-8 is worse. Luckily no one builds cars with transverse V-8s any more except the loonies at Cadillac. I think Volvo has them too, in their biggest cars and SUVs, but that's all I can think of. Ferrari, maybe (do they still make anything mid-engined?), but if you own a Ferrari you're used to having to RR the engine for anything more complicated than an oil change. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
That one thing I hate about the W163 - the controls are ALL in the worng places! Head lights are twisting the turn signal stalk! A travesty! If I hit a bump while resting my hand on the shifter - I downshift a gear! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: That's an important point. One of the things I love about Mercedes is the consistent control layout---no changing it just for the sake of change. I'm partial to 124s and 126s, but I've driven plenty of 123s and 107s, the occasional 116, and even a 202, and all of them felt comfortable and familiar thanks to the lightswitch and the combo switch, among other things, all being the same. Even a Dodge Charger has the same control layout! (Sadly, I read that post-Fiat-acquisition they're going back to the standard Chrysler setup for the 2011 Charger and Chrysler 300, although the 210-chassis-derived suspension will be carried over.) Alex -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
Laserdisc blew away VHS and Beta. I haven't seen it side-by-side with DVD, but I expect that it will hold it's own. I'll verify next time I'm at my brother's house - he still has both. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Think so? I was under the impression the generally accepted comparison was Laserdisc was about the same as VHS. DVD has twice the vertical lines of resolution. Digital compression throws a monkey wrench in to but I generally prefer DVD for quality. -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
I don't think Ferrari have mad any transversely mounted V8s for a few models now. You still have to take the engine out of the car to check the oil level though. ;-) hee hee My Ferrari friends are going to jump all over me for that one! Ed 300E On 22 December 2010 16:13, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Transverse V-6 are horrible, but I bet a transverse V-8 is worse. Luckily no one builds cars with transverse V-8s any more except the loonies at Cadillac. I think Volvo has them too, in their biggest cars and SUVs, but that's all I can think of. Ferrari, maybe (do they still make anything mid-engined?), but if you own a Ferrari you're used to having to RR the engine for anything more complicated than an oil change. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
You need to try an old Porsche 911. You'd have a good laugh with it!! lol Wipers are on the stalk. Intermittent speed control for the wipers is a turn switch, scattered across the dash somewhere with a bunch of other switches. Ed 300E On 22 December 2010 16:13, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: That one thing I hate about the W163 - the controls are ALL in the worng places! Head lights are twisting the turn signal stalk! A travesty! If I hit a bump while resting my hand on the shifter - I downshift a gear! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: That's an important point. One of the things I love about Mercedes is the consistent control layout---no changing it just for the sake of change. I'm partial to 124s and 126s, but I've driven plenty of 123s and 107s, the occasional 116, and even a 202, and all of them felt comfortable and familiar thanks to the lightswitch and the combo switch, among other things, all being the same. Even a Dodge Charger has the same control layout! (Sadly, I read that post-Fiat-acquisition they're going back to the standard Chrysler setup for the 2011 Charger and Chrysler 300, although the 210-chassis-derived suspension will be carried over.) Alex -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Luckily no one builds cars with transverse V-8s any more except the loonies at Cadillac. I think Volvo has them too, in their biggest cars and SUVs, but that's all I can think of. Ferrari, maybe (do they still make anything mid-engined?), but if you own a Ferrari you're used to having to RR the engine for anything more complicated than an oil change. I'll have to review that budget mid engine exotic Top Gear, see how Hammond did changing the plugs in his 308 with his little elf hands. Surprisingly, it wasn't too awful on the front bank, and easy on the back bank. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQENCXWHXc ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
My first MB - the '70 220D - had no labels on the controls - at all. You were expceted to have read the manual and learned them before driving the car. When I first drove it, it was still my Grandfather's. He let us take it into Minneapolis one afternoon. It was dark when we left to return, and we could not find the headlight switch! Had to find the manual, take it inside and read it! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: You need to try an old Porsche 911. You'd have a good laugh with it!! lol Wipers are on the stalk. Intermittent speed control for the wipers is a turn switch, scattered across the dash somewhere with a bunch of other switches. Ed 300E -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
Which reminds me that I need to sell the Plymouth mini van before it needs another set of plugs - and buy one that has just had the plugs changed! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Luckily no one builds cars with transverse V-8s any more except the loonies at Cadillac. I think Volvo has them too, in their biggest cars and SUVs, but that's all I can think of. Ferrari, maybe (do they still make anything mid-engined?), but if you own a Ferrari you're used to having to RR the engine for anything more complicated than an oil change. I'll have to review that budget mid engine exotic Top Gear, see how Hammond did changing the plugs in his 308 with his little elf hands. Surprisingly, it wasn't too awful on the front bank, and easy on the back bank. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQENCXWHXc -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] O.T. What do I offer for this Volvo
Help me Volvoers http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2119701865.html Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
Sounds like my first time in the 911. Hot humid day, and it started to rain. The windows all steamed up. I had to pull over to read the manual to figure out how the climate control switches, levers, and buttons all worked. I made it home ok, but I'm still not sure I know all the various levers and switches work! Ed 300E On 22 December 2010 16:33, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: My first MB - the '70 220D - had no labels on the controls - at all. You were expceted to have read the manual and learned them before driving the car. When I first drove it, it was still my Grandfather's. He let us take it into Minneapolis one afternoon. It was dark when we left to return, and we could not find the headlight switch! Had to find the manual, take it inside and read it! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: You need to try an old Porsche 911. You'd have a good laugh with it!! lol Wipers are on the stalk. Intermittent speed control for the wipers is a turn switch, scattered across the dash somewhere with a bunch of other switches. Ed 300E -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
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Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
For the 'Merican 4 cyl Turbos, I'll put my bet on the granddaddy, the scout 800 turbo. about as indestructible and unstoppable as anything. Thats a good one! You should submit it. Actually I've got enough contacts in LA it seems like I ought be know somebody that works on the show... I think Chrysler in the '80s and '90s was the worst for this sort of marketing malarky. Another good one might be American 4cyl Turbo. My wife had a Dodge Lancer turbo which was a K car tarted up a bit with a good turbo charged engine that the chassis really couldn't handle. I'd like to know what the PT Cruiser with the turbo drives like. I had a PT Cruiser as a rental once and I thought its handling was soft and not-confidence inspiring. With more power I think it'd be scary. Ooo, what about American car makers ruined: where they show off a classic American car and then show the monstrosity it spawned. Show a classic Mustang next to a 4cyl automatic Mustang from about 1984... -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:34:38 -0600 From: Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlktimwktgoyqmmtvapx7aevuuzzsss8lcq+hsyt...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Okay - got an idea - War of the Sports. On my way to work today I got stuck behind a early 90s Dodge Grand Caravan SPORT. This reminded me that chrysler had a trip package SPORT which I think bsically meant that the name of the car was the same color as the car and the word sport was written in script somewhere on the car. A group of tests show which SPORT is the best. I think the dakota, Neon, minivans came in the sport trip package - any takers? This way American top gear could jsut copy my idea. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] diesel vanagon - was: 4.5 Value
LWB250 wrote: I did a 4.154 Perkins diesel conversion in one many years ago. It helped to have a friend who was a machinist - he was able to make the flywheel housing adapter and flywheel for me. The worst part was having to tweak the rear suspension to compensate for the added weight of the diesel engine. We had to RR the torsion bars in the back several times to get the right ride height. There was some concern about breaking a torsion bar, but they were cheap and easy to replace, so we figured that was a risk we would take. So how did it turn out? Run well? Survive long? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] downloads - Was: American Top Gear
Fmiser wrote: No. Nearly all http servers are set to resume. Usually I run into trouble with the ones that are not http but use some sort of database backend. php, javascript, etc. Mitch Haley wrote: The commercial file exchanges, like hotfile, fileserve, filesonic, megaserve, etc, where I go to download large video files all provide a limited free service with one parallel connection and no pause/restart. If you want to pay, you can maintain multiple connections and restart downloads from the failure point. I have no idea whether they use http, ftp, or something else. Ahh. There's the rub. I don't think I have ever used any of those you listed. I tend to download a lot of what you probably consider as small files - 100 MBi. My previous comment was based on that experience. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: A few people have put VW TDI engines in. Still probably not reliable by Mercedes diesel standards. The TDI's a great engine, if you change the timing belt on schedule and use a good synthetic oil. Of course both of those things are too difficult for the average owner to accomplish. From what I've heard (including Dan from this list), A VW TDI in a Vanagon does not hold up. I want the durability of a Cummins or OM617, not a 50,000 mile wear item. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Curt Raymond wrote: Ooo, what about American car makers ruined: where they show off a classic American car and then show the monstrosity it spawned. Show a classic Mustang next to a 4cyl automatic Mustang from about 1984... '84? They were getting good again by then. The Mustang II from mid-70s is, I think, the low point. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Video - was: Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
Curt Raymond wrote: Think so? I was under the impression the generally accepted comparison was Laserdisc was about the same as VHS. DVD has twice the vertical lines of resolution. Digital compression throws a monkey wrench in to but I generally prefer DVD for quality. Curt! You're a video guy - right? _Vertical_ resolution? You should know better that that!! Vertical a fixed number based on the system. (you probably meant horizontal - right?) Here in the USA, prior to HighDefinition, it was NTSC with 525 lines. By the time V-sync and blanking are subtracted, there are 485 left for image duty. That for _all_ composite video. VHS, DVD, laserdisk, etc. It's the horizontal resolution that varies based on the high frequency capability of the transmission/recording system. SD DVD is 720x480 px. So that looks like more than double the horizontal resolution compared to VHS with 485 vertical lines and horizontal 300 lines of resolution. But... Analog video horizontal resolution is measured as line _pairs_ for a vertical sized portion of the image on the right side of the screen. Factor that and it's about the same. So why does VHS look so crummy? Color resolution. With the color information heterodyned to a 629 kHz sub-carrier, the color lines of resolution is about 50. --Philip, former video engineer. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
*nods* If I had the money I might dabble with a brand new -under warranty- model but I don't think I'd mess with a used one. Of course I'm still keeping an eye out for an old Scirocco, they're pretty cool. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:29:58 -0800 (PST) From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value Message-ID: 442741.70375...@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Good points, and ones that I heard far too many times when researching my last used car purchase. I saw a LOT of nice used VWs in Florida. I was especially enamored of a Passat (gas) wagon that had the AWD option and the V-6. The things that killed that deal were a lack of maintenance records and the gas mileage. It was a beautiful car and in very good cosmetic shape. Alas, the VW dealership could come up with nothing on it's maintenance records. That was a BIG concern of mine. I still like the last version of the Jetta, and would be very happy with one. That being said, the more I researched these cars, the less I liked what I heard. Major repairs (like engine rebuilds from failed timing belts, for example) were frighteningly common, and repair costs were pretty outrageous if you were paying someone to do the work. And OE parts were really expensive and in some cases difficult to get. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice winter ad, with SL content, and a few familiar faces.
All wheel drive lets you GO better but you can't stop any better. The guy in the ditch is saying, But Honey, we have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE! --R On 12/22/2010 4:04 PM, E M wrote: Ok, watching this, I want an old SL!! 280 was the one to have, right? The wagon and G Wagon kinda do it for me too! Funny, watching this, almost makes me wish for snow. Of course, the reality of snow AND salt is much different here! I've washed the daily driver minivan THREE times this week. I know, I usually say I don't like to wash salty cars too often, but I can't stand a dirty car, and I probably won't keep this one long enough for rust to be an issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2edo3kIRqofeature=channel Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
Ahh. I get it. Transverse engines should only ever be 4cyl for obvious reasons... I had a v6 (2.8l no less) in my '88 GMC Jimmy, like a 240D it was adequate but had no extra. Got reasonably good economy for what it was, 25mpg... -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:32:23 -0800 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL Message-ID: aanlkti=oy5=b3mafjwt=ifv2tcxslbd24ge6zxm7c...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Why 'zat? I've had a couple v6s and while I find them generally uninspiring I can't think of anything to really dislike them for. Bah! A V-6 is an engineering solution in search of a problem. They're inherently rough-running and servicing them in their typical application (transverse in a FWD car) is a nightmare. V engines should come only with cylinders in multiples of four. (Motorcycles are a different matter, of course.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Sort of like the Gall boys but vintage MBs... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk6KJXeOM0kfeature=related -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:07:10 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlktikq-vurqvb-guiuuw0q0fbt3xqpsmafqi10v...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hmm - maybe we need to brush off the Prudhoe bay trip with our old Mercedes - film it, and sell it to one of the shows. Rules - nothing younger than 20 yrs old, at least 100k miles already on the clock. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You get the cars and bring 'em to southern New England, I'll arrange a crew and we'll shoot. Seriously, I have the technology for the shoot... ;) -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear
Interesting, I played with LaserDisc vs VHS at one point and could not detect much advantage in LaserDisc beyond not needing to rewind. Having to flip the disk of course was a major disadvantage although some players could get around that. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:18:18 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Increasingly OT: Re: American Top Gear Message-ID: aanlkti==4evpmmr_o74i3cgnx93u80he-j-qt57ca...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Laserdisc blew away VHS and Beta. I haven't seen it side-by-side with DVD, but I expect that it will hold it's own. I'll verify next time I'm at my brother's house - he still has both. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Think so? I was under the impression the generally accepted comparison was Laserdisc was about the same as VHS. DVD has twice the vertical lines of resolution. Digital compression throws a monkey wrench in to but I generally prefer DVD for quality. -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear
Build quality was getting marginally less awful but they were still pretty poor cars... -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:01:50 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] American Top Gear Message-ID: 20101222120150.44a7f8b5.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: Ooo, what about American car makers ruined: where they show off a classic American car and then show the monstrosity it spawned. Show a classic Mustang next to a 4cyl automatic Mustang from about 1984... '84? They were getting good again by then. The Mustang II from mid-70s is, I think, the low point. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice winter ad, with SL content, and a few familiar faces.
What's the old saying, 4 wheel drive just lets you get stuck deeper, and further from home. hee hee Ed 300E On 22 December 2010 17:39, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: All wheel drive lets you GO better but you can't stop any better. The guy in the ditch is saying, But Honey, we have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE! --R On 12/22/2010 4:04 PM, E M wrote: Ok, watching this, I want an old SL!! 280 was the one to have, right? The wagon and G Wagon kinda do it for me too! Funny, watching this, almost makes me wish for snow. Of course, the reality of snow AND salt is much different here! I've washed the daily driver minivan THREE times this week. I know, I usually say I don't like to wash salty cars too often, but I can't stand a dirty car, and I probably won't keep this one long enough for rust to be an issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2edo3kIRqofeature=channel Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trojan?....was: Syl-glide
Spam program might have done the same for me. Gerry --- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Gmail stuck the original in the spam bucket for me - which I emptied. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Hmmm. I didn't receive the original; only the one from EM of the form: EM (long space)re:MBZ(string of chinese characters) which won't open unless a download is done. Oh, well. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice winter ad, with SL content, and a few familiar faces.
4 or 5 years ago we drove the 4WD Suburban from Houston to Colorado to go skiing, on the way back we got stuck in Pueblo due to a severe snowstorm, hung there for 2-3 days until the interstate east from Denver opened (barely). So we decided to drive back to Denver then east then south to get around it all, backtracked and headed east. Someplace in Kansas, the road was like 2in of snow and ice still with occasional bare tracks in the right lane, pretty nasty. I was driving maybe 40-45 getting passed by all these fools in their pickup trucks, little sh*tboxes, whatever, tailgating me then whipping out to pass on the packed stuff at 50 or 60. There were cars all along down in the ditches, some rolled. I remember one Tahoe in the median, snow up to the door handles, you could see where he went off sideways then ended up there. Guy with his wife and 2-3 little kids, out in the middle of nowhere (most of Kansas seems to be Nowhere), his wife clearly Not Happy. I said to my wife, But Honey we have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE and laughed like hell while being more vigilant. I was most worried about having to dump it to miss some other fool, or getting whacked by one that lost control while passing. --R (who had Good Judgment at that point) On 12/22/2010 5:52 PM, E M wrote: What's the old saying, 4 wheel drive just lets you get stuck deeper, and further from home. hee hee Ed 300E On 22 December 2010 17:39, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: All wheel drive lets you GO better but you can't stop any better. The guy in the ditch is saying, But Honey, we have FOUR WHEEL DRIVE! --R On 12/22/2010 4:04 PM, E M wrote: Ok, watching this, I want an old SL!! 280 was the one to have, right? The wagon and G Wagon kinda do it for me too! Funny, watching this, almost makes me wish for snow. Of course, the reality of snow AND salt is much different here! I've washed the daily driver minivan THREE times this week. I know, I usually say I don't like to wash salty cars too often, but I can't stand a dirty car, and I probably won't keep this one long enough for rust to be an issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2edo3kIRqofeature=channel Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes: Sounds like my first time in the 911. Hot humid day, and it started to rain. The windows all steamed up. I had to pull over to read the manual to figure out how the climate control switches, levers, and buttons all worked. I made it home ok, but I'm still not sure I know all the various levers and switches work! Sounds like the Vanagon heat/defrost/fresh air controls. Completely unintuitive, the markings on the controls aren't really meaningful, and different from any other car I've ever been in. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: From what I've heard (including Dan from this list), A VW TDI in a Vanagon does not hold up. I want the durability of a Cummins or OM617, not a 50,000 mile wear item. They will hold up decently if you don't flog them. Most people don't have the patience not to. Still not an OM617 by a long shot, but no way to fit one of those in unless you could mount it on its side. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
sounds like a $200 car. On 12/21/2010 7:48 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net writes: That is great news, I hope it holds true. I have a whole bunch of 116's sitting around that I am thinking about sending to the crusher as nobody wants 116 parts. Right now it seems like the 123 and early 126 cars are the cheap beater cars (in that phase right now). It would be great to get them to collector status. An acquaintance of mine is wanting to sell me his W116 300SD. It frankly sounds like a basket case. He says it has no rust, but needs a new crankshaft (?!) and the AC doesn't work, and the heater blower doesn't work, and the vacuum system is leaking (has to use the stop lever to shut it off). In that condition, with a straight face, he said he was asking $4000. Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. That one thing I hate about the W163 - the controls are ALL in the worng places! Head lights are twisting the turn signal stalk! A travesty! If I hit a bump while resting my hand on the shifter - I downshift a gear! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: That's an important point. One of the things I love about Mercedes is the consistent control layout---no changing it just for the sake of change. I'm partial to 124s and 126s, but I've driven plenty of 123s and 107s, the occasional 116, and even a 202, and all of them felt comfortable and familiar thanks to the lightswitch and the combo switch, among other things, all being the same. Even a Dodge Charger has the same control layout! (Sadly, I read that post-Fiat-acquisition they're going back to the standard Chrysler setup for the 2011 Charger and Chrysler 300, although the 210-chassis-derived suspension will be carried over.) Alex -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL Was: Cheap SL
Have you changed the plug wires yet? that is worse than changing the plugs. I don't mind changing the plugs in the 3.3 in the 96-2000 body now that I know how to do it. but you need a comfortable shop and you have to be able to raise the front end and back end, so it takes 4 jack stands. Which reminds me that I need to sell the Plymouth mini van before it needs another set of plugs - and buy one that has just had the plugs changed! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Luckily no one builds cars with transverse V-8s any more except the loonies at Cadillac. I think Volvo has them too, in their biggest cars and SUVs, but that's all I can think of. Ferrari, maybe (do they still make anything mid-engined?), but if you own a Ferrari you're used to having to RR the engine for anything more complicated than an oil change. I'll have to review that budget mid engine exotic Top Gear, see how Hammond did changing the plugs in his 308 with his little elf hands. Surprisingly, it wasn't too awful on the front bank, and easy on the back bank. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQENCXWHXc -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
Dieselhead wrote: ML is a 'merican Mercedes, not a real Mercedes it seems. Real Mercedes can do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmwGNoXcvuo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar
73-80, SD was 78-80 On 12/22/2010 9:16 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: When did the 116 actually start? I know the diesels were only '79 and '80... A friend has a couple 116 300SDs and they fantastic road cars. Roomier than a 123 with road gripping weight but not ponderous like a Cadillac from the same period. I had one of his for a weekend (while he got stuck with my 240D ;) ) and really enjoyed it. Someday I hope to have a garage and keep a 116 as a toy car. Actually a 116 also tops my list of cars to take cross country, closely followed by a 123 wagon. -Curt Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:32:19 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinskijaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4.5 Value AND Question for Jaime and others w. MBUSA connections - or - How to get NLA parts demand onto the MB radar Message-ID: aanlktinr6od_pas=h4vgm+io2d=wuzq=vwgp68wp9...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But Dan, they were such a huge jump from the 108/109 cars. They established the classic layout of instruments and controls that were used for many generations of cars. Suspension was much improved (ball joints and rubber bushings!), and alot of these design features were carried over onto the W123 and W126. Handling is superior to the W108, and not much different from a W126. Integrated heating and air conditioning systems started with the 116. Sound insulation, interior safety and comfort features, were all superior. The list goes on and on. If anything, I'd say a W126 is really just a small step away from the W116, where the real engineering advances occurred. Jaime On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:02 PM, LWB250lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I (personally) always considered the W116 a transitional model for Mercedes. I say that because they seemed to be in a sort of void engineering-wise between the really basic analog models like the W108 or W111 and the later W123 and W126. The styling was a little wonky, too. ?At least I thought so Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3330 - Release Date: 12/21/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
