Re: [MBZ] W124 front seats for a change
My high line car broker buddy always told me that the combination of silver and maroon took 20% off the value of a car. Not being critical, just making the observation I could live with it myself. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: My 87 300D has burgundy leather inside Smoke silver. It is a good combination. (But I'd prefer tex) I have the same problems. Someone was selling the MB reinforcment foam bits for these on benzworld I think. $40 per side IIRC. The problem with my seats is that the scalloping on the sides is broken, I have to replace the whole chair. At the same time the tex is worn in one place. If there is anything I have learned, rare int colors, like burgundy or high quartz should be avoided in a purchase. Beige may be dull but they are a dime a dozen at the yard. I would love leather seats but never seen burdgundy... -Rolf On 08/02/2011 06:16 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hey gang, how hard is it to RR the spring box in an early 124 front seat, once I have the seat out of the car? Is it enough of a pain that I am better off trying the pool-noodle fix? How does that work exactly---you wedge the noodles between the top and bottom layers of the spring box, or just between the seat and the carpet? (I'm looking at the bottom side of the rear base cushion and imagining that the fronts probably are constructed more or less the same, where the springs are not coils as in an old-fashioned mattress but look more like a network or webbing of spring steel parallel to the seat base.) Thoughts? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain,
I have about 150K miles on my 87 300SDL and am wondering at what mileage, I should be planning on changing the timing chain. It is running well, except for first starts when I get a rough running for about 8 sec. with blue smoke accompanying the rough running. Smooths out quickly and runs fine. Ralph '87 300SDL '84 300CD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain,
Ralph Robertson wrote: I have about 150K miles on my 87 300SDL and am wondering at what mileage, I should be planning on changing the timing chain. It is running well, except for first starts when I get a rough running for about 8 sec. with blue smoke accompanying the rough running. Smooths out quickly and runs fine. I don't think there were any defective chains in 1987 models, so you should be OK for quite some time. If you set the crank to top dead center (always going clockwise, roll it over again if you go too far), you can remove the valve cover and see if the timing marks line up on the cam. If the cam timing is retarded, roll the engine forward slowly until the cam is at TDC, and then read the chain stretch on the timing marks at the crank. If it hasn't stretched 3-4 degrees yet, don't worry about it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Henifay busted!!!
Rich Thomas wrote: In the South the cops would have joined the guy for a cold one. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/08/08/motorized-beer-cooler-driver-charged-with-drunk-driving/?test=faces Get your own on eBay today! http://search.ebay.com/110724096614 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Classic center is snobbish?
I had nothing but positive experiences with the MB Classic Center too! A few years ago I needed a small rubber grommet for the radiator on my 1983 300D. They not only took the time to locate it and email me pictures to verify the part was correct, they sent it FedEx (no charge). Bob Hawthorne, New York -Original Message- From: glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2011 7:32 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] Classic center is snobbish? I disagree; I've dealt with a fellow from the MB Classic Center on two different occasions and have had good experiences both times. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 front seats for a change
Are u coming to rustyQ? -Rolf On 08/08/2011 09:53 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I have a complete 124 seat for grabs. Back, bottom, motors etc. Does not need rebuilding. just put it in, or change the covers and then put it in. Come N get it, or pay frt. Hey gang, how hard is it to RR the spring box in an early 124 front seat, once I have the seat out of the car? Is it enough of a pain that I am better off trying the pool-noodle fix? How does that work exactly---you wedge the noodles between the top and bottom layers of the spring box, or just between the seat and the carpet? (I'm looking at the bottom side of the rear base cushion and imagining that the fronts probably are constructed more or less the same, where the springs are not coils as in an old-fashioned mattress but look more like a network or webbing of spring steel parallel to the seat base.) Thoughts? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain,
Ralph Robertson rare...@gmail.com writes: I have about 150K miles on my 87 300SDL and am wondering at what mileage, I should be planning on changing the timing chain. It is running well, except for first starts when I get a rough running for about 8 sec. with blue smoke accompanying the rough running. Smooths out quickly and runs fine. If the oil changes haven't been overextended, it's unlikely IMO that the chain would be in need of replacement at only 150K miles. Use of a diesel-rated synthetic such as M1 Turbo Diesel Truck a/k/a Delvac-1 should reduce chain wear/stretch to nearly negligible. Check it as Mitch described if you want to put your mind at ease. The rough starts could be due to a bad glow plug or two... is your dash glow lamp working properly? This will only get worse as the fall/winter arrives and temps start to drop. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Jerry, I'd switch even my old diesels for synthetic diesel. It's cleaner, more power, better mileage, but I don't expect to see it. It's better to try to create something else rather than what could be. And even our old diesels would run on synthetic diesel without costly mods. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Henifay busted!!!
Alles. Too bad C.A.R.B. will need a $20 million bribe, er fee, to okay its' import. Cynical? Me? Nah! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 8/9/2011 7:39 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: In the South the cops would have joined the guy for a cold one. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/08/08/motorized-beer-cooler-driver-charged-with-drunk-driving/?test=faces Get your own on eBay today! http://search.ebay.com/110724096614 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain,
Too late, sounds like your engine is already ruined. I'll give you $750 for it. No? Ok, you need to replace some bad glow plugs, and pull the valve cover to check the amount of chain stretch. When it reaches 5 degrees, replace the chain. If the oil has been changed according to schedule, expect about 1 or 2 degrees of wear for every 100k miles. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Ralph Robertson rare...@gmail.com wrote: I have about 150K miles on my 87 300SDL and am wondering at what mileage, I should be planning on changing the timing chain. It is running well, except for first starts when I get a rough running for about 8 sec. with blue smoke accompanying the rough running. Smooths out quickly and runs fine. Ralph '87 300SDL '84 300CD _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Are we talking about running diesel engines on CNG (I'd only heard of that with spark ignition engines), or are we talking about synthesizing diesel from NG? Mitch. roger...@comcast.net wrote: Jerry, I'd switch even my old diesels for synthetic diesel. It's cleaner, more power, better mileage, but I don't expect to see it. It's better to try to create something else rather than what could be. And even our old diesels would run on synthetic diesel without costly mods. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Henifay busted!!!
Fred Moir wrote: Alles. Too bad C.A.R.B. will need a $20 million bribe, er fee, to okay its' import. Cynical? Me? Nah! Ah, yes, when it comes to vehicle emissions, MA is part of CA now, isn't it? I guess it's cheaper that way. Instead of setting up their own board of politically connected idiots, MA just borrows the findings of CARB. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Henifay busted!!!
Why the hell can't we Americans just realize that if we would quit worrying about everyone's safety and use the technology available around the rest of the world our vehicles would get better mpg and then, obviously, there would be less emissions per vehicle? Let ME decide if I want to ride in a little car! Mike On Aug 9, 2011 8:57 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Fred Moir wrote: Alles. Too bad C.A.R.B. will need a $20 million bribe, er fee, to okay its' import. Cynical? Me? Nah! Ah, yes, when it comes to vehicle emissions, MA is part of CA now, isn't it? I guess it's cheaper that way. Instead of setting up their own board of politically connected idiots, MA just borrows the findings of CARB. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 front seats for a change
Not talking about high line collectibles. just ordinary 124 and 126 I never thought silver looked good on a 123. Midnight blue and maroon are probably my favorite colors for 123s. My high line car broker buddy always told me that the combination of silver and maroon took 20% off the value of a car. Not being critical, just making the observation I could live with it myself. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: My 87 300D has burgundy leather inside Smoke silver. It is a good combination. (But I'd prefer tex) I have the same problems. Someone was selling the MB reinforcment foam bits for these on benzworld I think. $40 per side IIRC. The problem with my seats is that the scalloping on the sides is broken, I have to replace the whole chair. At the same time the tex is worn in one place. If there is anything I have learned, rare int colors, like burgundy or high quartz should be avoided in a purchase. Beige may be dull but they are a dime a dozen at the yard. I would love leather seats but never seen burdgundy... -Rolf On 08/02/2011 06:16 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hey gang, how hard is it to RR the spring box in an early 124 front seat, once I have the seat out of the car? Is it enough of a pain that I am better off trying the pool-noodle fix? How does that work exactly---you wedge the noodles between the top and bottom layers of the spring box, or just between the seat and the carpet? (I'm looking at the bottom side of the rear base cushion and imagining that the fronts probably are constructed more or less the same, where the springs are not coils as in an old-fashioned mattress but look more like a network or webbing of spring steel parallel to the seat base.) Thoughts? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Henifay busted!!!
Most of the US is under the BUTT of CARB. Those jokers are the reason that we hardly see anything but a truck with a diesel stateside... But they turn a blind eye to the fact that a Prius costs more in emissions to make over a similarly sized car than it will ever save... Walt, who still wants his turbodiesel sports coup, bad enough he might grab an OM60X or a VW TDI and make it happen... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Fred Moir wrote: Alles. Too bad C.A.R.B. will need a $20 million bribe, er fee, to okay its' import. Cynical? Me? Nah! Ah, yes, when it comes to vehicle emissions, MA is part of CA now, isn't it? I guess it's cheaper that way. Instead of setting up their own board of politically connected idiots, MA just borrows the findings of CARB. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Henifay busted!!!
Walt Zarnoch wrote: Walt, who still wants his turbodiesel sports coup, bad enough he might grab an OM60X or a VW TDI and make it happen... I'd love to get a nice SLK or Crossfire with a blown engine for under $5k. I'd also love to have a four cylinder CDI engine and the ability to reprogram the computer for max power. And yes, I'd love to have a 250hp SLK that gets 50mpg. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Henifay busted!!!
vag-com cables are cheap. ;) Walt On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Walt Zarnoch wrote: Walt, who still wants his turbodiesel sports coup, bad enough he might grab an OM60X or a VW TDI and make it happen... I'd love to get a nice SLK or Crossfire with a blown engine for under $5k. I'd also love to have a four cylinder CDI engine and the ability to reprogram the computer for max power. And yes, I'd love to have a 250hp SLK that gets 50mpg. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RustyQ
This is probably the closest hotel: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=ensugexp=bvecpq=hotels+near+30328+zip+codexhr=tcp=0bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.biw=1278bih=536wrapid=tljp131289812954640um=1ie=UTF-8q=hotels+near+30328+zip+codefb=1gl=ushq=hotelshnear=0x88f50e80ea75140b:0x706fe2d6908850ac,Atlanta,+GA+30328ei=RjxBTpm_Kcrh0QHE5qXbCQsa=Xoi=local_groupct=imagesqi=2ved=0CAQQtgMiwloc=cids:5774034524849578512 There are nicer ones around but not nearly as convenient. This is a list of confirmed RSVP's to date: Kaleb Striplin OK Fred Weprich GA Regina Striplin OK Mrs. Weprich GA Rolf Martin-Hoster GA Drew Tibcken NC Christelle GA Linda Tibcken NC Isabelle GA Alex Tibcken NC Abigail GA John Robbins MS Olivia GA Danie Coon MS Rusty Cullens GA Stephen Phillips MS Teri Cullens GA Melanie Tinnin MS Tom Benedikt GA Tom Lewis NC Sue Benedikt GA Chris Kueny SC Max Dillon SC Rick Hawkins GA Elizabeth Dillon SC Daughter Hawkins GA Rose Dillon SC David White GA Bo Cullens GA Teresa White GA Bella Cullens GA Don Mathis GA Adrianne Cullens GA Jaimie Mathis GA Chip Lamb VA Mr. Kase GA Charles Bennett NY Mrs. Kase GA William Bragg NC Richard Hitchcock GA George Pavlisko SC John Clark GA Krysti Pavlisko SC Sandra Clark GA Thomas Kase GA Mrs. Kase GA Jeff Bach GA Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Caleb Badger caleb.bad...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 7:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] RustyQ So who all is going to the RustyQ? What is the hotel? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RustyQ
I have yet to collate all my PM's but I have roughly the same number in PM's from various boards plus numerous more that said they were interested. It should be a good turn out. I plan on cooking 100 burgers and numerous hotdogs. -Rolf On 08/09/2011 10:03 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote: This is probably the closest hotel: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=ensugexp=bvecpq=hotels+near+30328+zip+codexhr=tcp=0bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.biw=1278bih=536wrapid=tljp131289812954640um=1ie=UTF-8q=hotels+near+30328+zip+codefb=1gl=ushq=hotelshnear=0x88f50e80ea75140b:0x706fe2d6908850ac,Atlanta,+GA+30328ei=RjxBTpm_Kcrh0QHE5qXbCQsa=Xoi=local_groupct=imagesqi=2ved=0CAQQtgMiwloc=cids:5774034524849578512 There are nicer ones around but not nearly as convenient. This is a list of confirmed RSVP's to date: Kaleb Striplin OK Fred Weprich GA Regina Striplin OK Mrs. Weprich GA Rolf Martin-Hoster GA Drew Tibcken NC Christelle GA Linda Tibcken NC Isabelle GA Alex Tibcken NC Abigail GA John Robbins MS Olivia GA Danie Coon MS Rusty Cullens GA Stephen Phillips MS Teri Cullens GA Melanie Tinnin MS Tom Benedikt GA Tom Lewis NC Sue Benedikt GA Chris Kueny SC Max Dillon SC Rick Hawkins GA Elizabeth Dillon SC Daughter Hawkins GA Rose Dillon SC David White GA Bo Cullens GA Teresa White GA Bella Cullens GA Don Mathis GA Adrianne Cullens GA Jaimie Mathis GA Chip Lamb VA Mr. Kase GA Charles Bennett NY Mrs. Kase GA William Bragg NC Richard Hitchcock GA George Pavlisko SC John Clark GA Krysti Pavlisko SC Sandra Clark GA Thomas Kase GA Mrs. Kase GA Jeff Bach GA Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Caleb Badger caleb.bad...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 7:04 PM Subject: [MBZ] RustyQ So who all is going to the RustyQ? What is the hotel? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 front seats for a change
An MB is considered a high line car when you speak with brokers. They are lumped in with Porsches, BMWs, etc. I say this because I bought a 1991 300E at Mannheim in 1996, and this was one of the things my broker pointed out. Silver exterior, maroon interior, probably worth 20% less than a comparable model with a more mainstream color scheme. Hence the reason for using a broker. This sort of knowledge has great value Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Not talking about high line collectibles. just ordinary 124 and 126 I never thought silver looked good on a 123. Midnight blue and maroon are probably my favorite colors for 123s. My high line car broker buddy always told me that the combination of silver and maroon took 20% off the value of a car. Not being critical, just making the observation I could live with it myself. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: My 87 300D has burgundy leather inside Smoke silver. It is a good combination. (But I'd prefer tex) I have the same problems. Someone was selling the MB reinforcment foam bits for these on benzworld I think. $40 per side IIRC. The problem with my seats is that the scalloping on the sides is broken, I have to replace the whole chair. At the same time the tex is worn in one place. If there is anything I have learned, rare int colors, like burgundy or high quartz should be avoided in a purchase. Beige may be dull but they are a dime a dozen at the yard. I would love leather seats but never seen burdgundy... -Rolf On 08/02/2011 06:16 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hey gang, how hard is it to RR the spring box in an early 124 front seat, once I have the seat out of the car? Is it enough of a pain that I am better off trying the pool-noodle fix? How does that work exactly---you wedge the noodles between the top and bottom layers of the spring box, or just between the seat and the carpet? (I'm looking at the bottom side of the rear base cushion and imagining that the fronts probably are constructed more or less the same, where the springs are not coils as in an old-fashioned mattress but look more like a network or webbing of spring steel parallel to the seat base.) Thoughts? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Running diesels on natural gas is old news. Been done for years in the transmission line business. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Are we talking about running diesel engines on CNG (I'd only heard of that with spark ignition engines), or are we talking about synthesizing diesel from NG? Mitch. roger...@comcast.net wrote: Jerry, I'd switch even my old diesels for synthetic diesel. It's cleaner, more power, better mileage, but I don't expect to see it. It's better to try to create something else rather than what could be. And even our old diesels would run on synthetic diesel without costly mods. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain,
Geez, you are going to drive up the price of old MB's. You should be offering $400. It used to be $500 but with the state of the US economy, it will likely be down to $250 shortly so if you offered $400 he would likely jump at it! Randy (who would really like one of those too!) On 09/08/2011 7:51 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Too late, sounds like your engine is already ruined. I'll give you $750 for it. No? Ok, you need to replace some bad glow plugs, and pull the valve cover to check the amount of chain stretch. When it reaches 5 degrees, replace the chain. If the oil has been changed according to schedule, expect about 1 or 2 degrees of wear for every 100k miles. Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Converting flared/stranded natural gas deposits into diesel is the veritable valhalla of synthetic fuels development. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Running diesels on natural gas is old news. Been done for years in the transmission line business. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Are we talking about running diesel engines on CNG (I'd only heard of that with spark ignition engines), or are we talking about synthesizing diesel from NG? Mitch. roger...@comcast.net wrote: Jerry, I'd switch even my old diesels for synthetic diesel. It's cleaner, more power, better mileage, but I don't expect to see it. It's better to try to create something else rather than what could be. And even our old diesels would run on synthetic diesel without costly mods. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to join the clean is green movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU of LNG vs Diesel equation vs costs to convert, store, fill, and deal with the whole mess only worked because it was done on a government paid money is no object program. As soon as the special money ran out back to diesel. Cant imagine how that would work in todays economy for an individual with one or two vehicles, dependent upon the one LNG filling station within 100 miles of home. Your decision, don't shoot the messenger. Grant... If it's diesel, it's mine. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: Is it too early to ask the collective opinion of this apparently new technology that is available to retrofit current diesel engines from dinosaur-diesel fuel to clean burning natural gas? Not sure of the name of the company, but I hear that Caterpillar and Cummins will be using this technoogy. Anyone know more about this and how it works? Jerry 1982 240D Too old to convert __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6361 (20110808) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I love the looks of the W108
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2529563809.html Hard to tell from these photos, but looks like it might be reasonably solid. It better be for $5K. The four-door sixes are neither particularly desirable nor valuable, compared to the 4.5 V-8. Not that they're a bad drive, just not collectible and probably never will be. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
The issue here is AQ. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:43:41 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to join the clean is green movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU of LNG vs Diesel equation vs costs to convert, store, fill, and deal with the whole mess only worked because it was done on a government paid money is no object program. As soon as the special money ran out back to diesel. Cant imagine how that would work in todays economy for an individual with one or two vehicles, dependent upon the one LNG filling station within 100 miles of home. Your decision, don't shoot the messenger. Grant... If it's diesel, it's mine. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: Is it too early to ask the collective opinion of this apparently new technology that is available to retrofit current diesel engines from dinosaur-diesel fuel to clean burning natural gas? Not sure of the name of the company, but I hear that Caterpillar and Cummins will be using this technoogy. Anyone know more about this and how it works? Jerry 1982 240D Too old to convert __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6361 (20110808) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Not old to me. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:46:16 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. Running diesels on natural gas is old news. Been done for years in the transmission line business. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Are we talking about running diesel engines on CNG (I'd only heard of that with spark ignition engines), or are we talking about synthesizing diesel from NG? Mitch. roger...@comcast.net wrote: Jerry, I'd switch even my old diesels for synthetic diesel. It's cleaner, more power, better mileage, but I don't expect to see it. It's better to try to create something else rather than what could be. And even our old diesels would run on synthetic diesel without costly mods. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Diesels have been modified to run on NG for some time in the transmission line and drilling industry. This is mainly due to cheap and readily available gas supplies at the point of origin. Keep in mind that the decreased power output was offset by oversizing the prime mover, with the resulting costs being justified through the minimal expense of the fuel source. Not an ideal arrangement, but taking into consideration the situation, it makes good sense from a cost/benefits standpoint. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:43 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to join the clean is green movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU of LNG vs Diesel equation vs costs to convert, store, fill, and deal with the whole mess only worked because it was done on a government paid money is no object program. As soon as the special money ran out back to diesel. Cant imagine how that would work in todays economy for an individual with one or two vehicles, dependent upon the one LNG filling station within 100 miles of home. Your decision, don't shoot the messenger. Grant... If it's diesel, it's mine. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: Is it too early to ask the collective opinion of this apparently new technology that is available to retrofit current diesel engines from dinosaur-diesel fuel to clean burning natural gas? Not sure of the name of the company, but I hear that Caterpillar and Cummins will be using this technoogy. Anyone know more about this and how it works? Jerry 1982 240D Too old to convert __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6361 (20110808) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
The relationship of the American Citizen and Congress [and apparently every other citizen with their Government worldwide] is on parallel with a marriage where one spouse finds to late the other spouse is a drug addict with a gambling habit, and has lost or blown the entire net worth of the marriage and ran up debts that can never be paid. Next step is the debt collectors and knee breakers dropping by for a chat. Time for an intervention and Rehab, don't you think? The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way Grant... If it's diesel, I own it. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:12:04 -0400 Larry l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: They don't seem to understand the SP reaction - it's the same as those who would like to see spending cut, the same people who know it's not possible to spend your way out of debt. The TP is made up of Republicans, Democrats and independents who want to see spending brought under control. The SP and most (IMO) of the population that works and supports this country through taxes know the congress didn't go far enough - they just moved the fight down the road a piece, trying to throw the Hot Potato to someone else. I read in the past week that the U.S. can be likened to a family that makes $48,000 per year, but that spends $75,000 per year. With the latest big belt-tightening, the family is now spending $72,000 per year. All the while having a credit card balance of $384,000. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
I like this. Where can I get one? Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
I believe if you take a gasoline engine and raise the compression ratio, you can get better power than with gasoline (but range is still a problem with compressed natural gas) 15-20 years back, Dick Guldstrand was showing drawings of a proposed ultra high performance CNG fueled Corvette GS. This link mentions it in passing, and implies that CNG Corvettes actually exist: http://www.autotraderclassics.com/car-article/Jay+Leno%3A+The+Collector-75356.xhtml G Mann wrote: I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to join the clean is green movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU of LNG vs Diesel equation vs costs to convert, store, fill, and deal with the whole mess only worked because it was done on a government paid money is no object program. As soon as the special money ran out back to diesel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I love the looks of the W108
What is that color - desert sand? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:51:52 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] I love the looks of the W108 This just popped up locally. http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2529563809.html Hard to tell from these photos, but looks like it might be reasonably solid. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 450 SLC
Nice color for an S LC. AC issue sounds a bit fishy. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:53:49 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 450 SLC http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2530305628.html Color looks... uneven? Again poor quality photos here. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Well put. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 23:14:33 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines But the US government is -- TOO BIG TO FAIL. hahahahahaha The Chinese economy would crash if can't buy all their crap. They won;t let it happen. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: And don't forget they just bought another credit card and charged another $40,000 on it last week. I read in the past week that the U.S. can be likened to a family that makes $48,000 per year, but that spends $75,000 per year. With the latest big belt-tightening, the family is now spending $72,000 per year. All the while having a credit card balance of $384,000. Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 front seats for a change
How about anthracite gray/sienna? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 06:24:15 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 front seats for a change My high line car broker buddy always told me that the combination of silver and maroon took 20% off the value of a car. Not being critical, just making the observation I could live with it myself. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: My 87 300D has burgundy leather inside Smoke silver. It is a good combination. (But I'd prefer tex) I have the same problems. Someone was selling the MB reinforcment foam bits for these on benzworld I think. $40 per side IIRC. The problem with my seats is that the scalloping on the sides is broken, I have to replace the whole chair. At the same time the tex is worn in one place. If there is anything I have learned, rare int colors, like burgundy or high quartz should be avoided in a purchase. Beige may be dull but they are a dime a dozen at the yard. I would love leather seats but never seen burdgundy... -Rolf On 08/02/2011 06:16 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hey gang, how hard is it to RR the spring box in an early 124 front seat, once I have the seat out of the car? Is it enough of a pain that I am better off trying the pool-noodle fix? How does that work exactly---you wedge the noodles between the top and bottom layers of the spring box, or just between the seat and the carpet? (I'm looking at the bottom side of the rear base cushion and imagining that the fronts probably are constructed more or less the same, where the springs are not coils as in an old-fashioned mattress but look more like a network or webbing of spring steel parallel to the seat base.) Thoughts? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain,
What are warning signs for a worn-about-to-snap timing chain on a 1983 or '85 W123 turbodiesel? Andrew (300TD x 2) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 07:45:31 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain, Ralph Robertson rare...@gmail.com writes: I have about 150K miles on my 87 300SDL and am wondering at what mileage, I should be planning on changing the timing chain. It is running well, except for first starts when I get a rough running for about 8 sec. with blue smoke accompanying the rough running. Smooths out quickly and runs fine. If the oil changes haven't been overextended, it's unlikely IMO that the chain would be in need of replacement at only 150K miles. Use of a diesel-rated synthetic such as M1 Turbo Diesel Truck a/k/a Delvac-1 should reduce chain wear/stretch to nearly negligible. Check it as Mitch described if you want to put your mind at ease. The rough starts could be due to a bad glow plug or two... is your dash glow lamp working properly? This will only get worse as the fall/winter arrives and temps start to drop. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Commonly done in the generator and industrial engine market. Wreaked a lot of havoc because there were two different pistons used for the same engine, depending on the type of fuel used. You could go down, but not up... Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I believe if you take a gasoline engine and raise the compression ratio, you can get better power than with gasoline (but range is still a problem with compressed natural gas) 15-20 years back, Dick Guldstrand was showing drawings of a proposed ultra high performance CNG fueled Corvette GS. This link mentions it in passing, and implies that CNG Corvettes actually exist: http://www.autotraderclassics.com/car-article/Jay+Leno%3A+The+Collector-75356.xhtml G Mann wrote: I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to join the clean is green movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU of LNG vs Diesel equation vs costs to convert, store, fill, and deal with the whole mess only worked because it was done on a government paid money is no object program. As soon as the special money ran out back to diesel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain,
astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: What are warning signs for a worn-about-to-snap timing chain on a 1983 or '85 W123 turbodiesel? I'm not sure there are any clear-cut ones. As I recall Marshall said the engines would run apparently fine with significant chain stretch. The proactive thing to do is check the stretch when you do valve adjustments. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain,
Correct me if I am wrong, but I was of the opinion that there wasn't any valve adjustments required for the 603 engine, which is my 300SDL, but would be required on the 617, which is in my '84 300CD. Is this correct?? Ralph On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Ralph Robertson wrote: I have about 150K miles on my 87 300SDL and am wondering at what mileage, I should be planning on changing the timing chain. It is running well, except for first starts when I get a rough running for about 8 sec. with blue smoke accompanying the rough running. Smooths out quickly and runs fine. I don't think there were any defective chains in 1987 models, so you should be OK for quite some time. If you set the crank to top dead center (always going clockwise, roll it over again if you go too far), you can remove the valve cover and see if the timing marks line up on the cam. If the cam timing is retarded, roll the engine forward slowly until the cam is at TDC, and then read the chain stretch on the timing marks at the crank. If it hasn't stretched 3-4 degrees yet, don't worry about it. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain,
Ralph Robertson wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but I was of the opinion that there wasn't any valve adjustments required for the 603 engine, which is my 300SDL, but would be required on the 617, which is in my '84 300CD. Is this correct?? Ralph Correct, screw adjust lifters on 617, hydraulic adjust lifters on 60x. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 front seats for a change
Dunno. Didn't come up. The silver/maroon color scheme was one of the things he pointed out when I was looking. Understand that he was also at the auction to buy cars for commercial buyers, and these are issues relevant to them as customers. They want iron they can move, not something that will sit on the lot for months. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:52 PM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: How about anthracite gray/sienna? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 06:24:15 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 front seats for a change My high line car broker buddy always told me that the combination of silver and maroon took 20% off the value of a car. Not being critical, just making the observation I could live with it myself. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: My 87 300D has burgundy leather inside Smoke silver. It is a good combination. (But I'd prefer tex) I have the same problems. Someone was selling the MB reinforcment foam bits for these on benzworld I think. $40 per side IIRC. The problem with my seats is that the scalloping on the sides is broken, I have to replace the whole chair. At the same time the tex is worn in one place. If there is anything I have learned, rare int colors, like burgundy or high quartz should be avoided in a purchase. Beige may be dull but they are a dime a dozen at the yard. I would love leather seats but never seen burdgundy... -Rolf On 08/02/2011 06:16 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hey gang, how hard is it to RR the spring box in an early 124 front seat, once I have the seat out of the car? Is it enough of a pain that I am better off trying the pool-noodle fix? How does that work exactly---you wedge the noodles between the top and bottom layers of the spring box, or just between the seat and the carpet? (I'm looking at the bottom side of the rear base cushion and imagining that the fronts probably are constructed more or less the same, where the springs are not coils as in an old-fashioned mattress but look more like a network or webbing of spring steel parallel to the seat base.) Thoughts? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Dan, I have a local guy that will make one off bumper stickers. That's where I had this one made. I'm sure he would be very happy to make as many as wanted. The one of a kind cost me about $20... but it suited my twisted sense of humor, so I gave myself a treat. ;)) Grant... Gas is something you don't pass in public, Drive a diesel. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I like this. Where can I get one? Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Same issue here, but funny how the Air Quality issue went away as soon as the federal funds were sucked out. City instead spend 6.8 Billion of Federal money on a light rail system... which immediately started losing money... lots of money. If the government spent 6.8 billion on planting trees to breathe carbon dioxide the impact would have been more green but No... couldn't think like that. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:45 AM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The issue here is AQ. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:43:41 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to join the clean is green movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU of LNG vs Diesel equation vs costs to convert, store, fill, and deal with the whole mess only worked because it was done on a government paid money is no object program. As soon as the special money ran out back to diesel. Cant imagine how that would work in todays economy for an individual with one or two vehicles, dependent upon the one LNG filling station within 100 miles of home. Your decision, don't shoot the messenger. Grant... If it's diesel, it's mine. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: Is it too early to ask the collective opinion of this apparently new technology that is available to retrofit current diesel engines from dinosaur-diesel fuel to clean burning natural gas? Not sure of the name of the company, but I hear that Caterpillar and Cummins will be using this technoogy. Anyone know more about this and how it works? Jerry 1982 240D Too old to convert __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6361 (20110808) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] sls troubles
Folks spoke to Rusty yesterday. He said he could supply neither the hose or complete hose or the kit to repair the pump i found THIS pump repair kit at autohaus.az the part was not there last week looks identical to mercedessource kit for $65 9002300064 https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=433ubsnxfct34555godhy1rtpartnumber=9002300064 I'm sure i can find the hose at a hydraulic shop and i shall but the nearest is 12 miles away thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 450 SLC
I was assuming the control box was the evil Chrylser ACC. But you are right, it could be any number of other problems ranging from fairly cheap/easy to rather expensive. In Indiana, summers are pretty uncomfortable without working AC. One has to assume that if a car is being sold with non-working AC, the problem was judged more costly to fix than the car is worth, or is indicative of overall neglect. Allan astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: Nice color for an S LC. AC issue sounds a bit fishy. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:53:49 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 450 SLC http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2530305628.html Color looks... uneven? Again poor quality photos here. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 450 SLC
If it's a 1978 then you almost have to have the dreaded servo. No doubt they have probably discovered this, too. Dan From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 450 SLC I was assuming the control box was the evil Chrylser ACC. But you are right, it could be any number of other problems ranging from fairly cheap/easy to rather expensive. In Indiana, summers are pretty uncomfortable without working AC. One has to assume that if a car is being sold with non-working AC, the problem was judged more costly to fix than the car is worth, or is indicative of overall neglect. Allan astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: Nice color for an S LC. AC issue sounds a bit fishy. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:53:49 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 450 SLC http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2530305628.html Color looks... uneven? Again poor quality photos here. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Bimby
anybody else getting a blank page at buymbparts.biz? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 450 SLC
On 09/08/2011 3:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I was assuming the control box was the evil Chrylser ACC. But you are right, it could be any number of other problems ranging from fairly cheap/easy to rather expensive. In Indiana, summers are pretty uncomfortable without working AC. One has to assume that if a car is being sold with non-working AC, the problem was judged more costly to fix than the car is worth, or is indicative of overall neglect. Allan astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: Nice color for an S LC. AC issue sounds a bit fishy. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:53:49 To:mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 450 SLC http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2530305628.html Color looks... uneven? Again poor quality photos here. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bimby
Yep. Servers down, be up soon Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 17:08:23 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Bimby anybody else getting a blank page at buymbparts.biz? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
I can get you any number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers for free. ;) On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:26 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, I have a local guy that will make one off bumper stickers. That's where I had this one made. I'm sure he would be very happy to make as many as wanted. The one of a kind cost me about $20... but it suited my twisted sense of humor, so I gave myself a treat. ;)) Grant... Gas is something you don't pass in public, Drive a diesel. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I like this. Where can I get one? Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 450 SLC
20 yrs. ago I owned a 78 SL C with the vertical pb unit and older style servo; even in those days it was pricey to fix/replace the AC. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/08/2011 3:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I was assuming the control box was the evil Chrylser ACC. But you are right, it could be any number of other problems ranging from fairly cheap/easy to rather expensive. In Indiana, summers are pretty uncomfortable without working AC. One has to assume that if a car is being sold with non-working AC, the problem was judged more costly to fix than the car is worth, or is indicative of overall neglect. Allan astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: Nice color for an S LC. AC issue sounds a bit fishy. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:53:49 To:mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 450 SLC http://bloomington.craigslist.**org/cto/2530305628.htmlhttp://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2530305628.html Color looks... uneven? Again poor quality photos here. Allan __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
andrew strasfogel wrote: I can get you any number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers for free. ;) Should be interesting to see who the Dem nominee is. Unlike 1980, challengers won't be put off by the president quietly muttering Chappaquiddick. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bimby
Rusty, Did you get my message with the detailing info last week? Dan From: buymbpa...@gmail.com buymbpa...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bimby Yep. Servers down, be up soon Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 17:08:23 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Bimby anybody else getting a blank page at buymbparts.biz? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
MassPort has been running all the busses at the airport on CNG for years now, at least the last 8 years that I've been traveling frequently. Back 10 or so years ago Portland, Maine had an electric bus for commuter to park in a lot outside of downtown. I rode it quite a bit. The driver's commented that the biggest issue the designers had (I gathered the bus was a work in progress) was having useful power steering... -Curt Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:47:01 + From: astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. Message-ID: 1954645429-1312908422-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1203988861-@b5.c28.bise6.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain Not old to me. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:46:16 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. Running diesels on natural gas is old news. Been done for years in the transmission line business. Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
Leslie? Thought it was Lindsy? Walt, who thinks people shouldn't get special treatment because there's a box-office flop with their name in the credits... On Aug 9, 2011 3:26 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, I have a local guy that will make one off bumper stickers. That's where I had this one made. I'm sure he would be very happy to make as many as wanted. The one of a kind cost me about $20... but it suited my twisted sense of humor, so I gave myself a treat. ;)) Grant... Gas is something you don't pass in public, Drive a diesel. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I like this. Where can I get one? Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Back 10 or so years ago Portland, Maine had an electric bus for commuter to park in a lot outside of downtown. I rode it quite a bit. The driver's commented that the biggest issue the designers had (I gathered the bus was a work in progress) was having useful power steering... Was it a self-powered electric bus or one with overhead catenary lines? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol could be risk in U.S. pipelines
AHHhh. same result... different candidate.. love the irony. Send me a few trillion. Either way, next diesel I shop for will have armor and riot control gear most likely. Is there a forum for those vehicles? ;)) On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:27 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I can get you any number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers for free. ;) On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:26 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, I have a local guy that will make one off bumper stickers. That's where I had this one made. I'm sure he would be very happy to make as many as wanted. The one of a kind cost me about $20... but it suited my twisted sense of humor, so I gave myself a treat. ;)) Grant... Gas is something you don't pass in public, Drive a diesel. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I like this. Where can I get one? Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:55 PM, G Mann The bumper sticker on back of my 300SD says Charlie Sheen / Leslie Lohan 2012 Country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain,
Low power, decreased mileage, valves meet pistons, bad noises from under the hood. Or usually it runs fine and then doesn't. Really no excuse not to check your chain every time you adjust your valves. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: What are warning signs for a worn-about-to-snap timing chain on a 1983 or '85 W123 turbodiesel? Andrew (300TD x 2) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 07:45:31 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain, Ralph Robertson rare...@gmail.com writes: I have about 150K miles on my 87 300SDL and am wondering at what mileage, I should be planning on changing the timing chain. It is running well, except for first starts when I get a rough running for about 8 sec. with blue smoke accompanying the rough running. Smooths out quickly and runs fine. If the oil changes haven't been overextended, it's unlikely IMO that the chain would be in need of replacement at only 150K miles. Use of a diesel-rated synthetic such as M1 Turbo Diesel Truck a/k/a Delvac-1 should reduce chain wear/stretch to nearly negligible. Check it as Mitch described if you want to put your mind at ease. The rough starts could be due to a bad glow plug or two... is your dash glow lamp working properly? This will only get worse as the fall/winter arrives and temps start to drop. Allan -- 1983 300D _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.
Battery powered. Trackless trollys have been a fixture of greater Boston for years and years. -Curt Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:42:44 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. Message-ID: m1d3gejjff@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Back 10 or so years ago Portland, Maine had an electric bus for commuter to park in a lot outside of downtown. I rode it quite a bit. The driver's commented that the biggest issue the designers had (I gathered the bus was a work in progress) was having useful power steering... Was it a self-powered electric bus or one with overhead catenary lines? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I love the looks of the W108
Ah yes my first (and abiding) love. Sweet. And first MB I ever drove. Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 220K miles 1990 300D 2.5t 196K miles Wickford RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I love the looks of the W108 On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2529563809.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300 sdl timing chain,
No valve adjustments on a 60x engine, it's a special job to check the chain. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Henifay busted!!!
Alas we cannot claim this particular piece of genius http://www.xtrememotorizedcooler.com/index.htm although from what I remember down south you are not allowed to be in possession of cold beer, we'll at least not on a Sunday. Hendrik who would prefer a motorized BBQ (you can plonk the esky on top) Fred Moir wrote: Alles. Too bad C.A.R.B. will need a $20 million bribe, er fee, to okay its' import. Cynical? Me? Nah! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 8/9/2011 7:39 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: In the South the cops would have joined the guy for a cold one. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/08/08/motorized-beer-cooler-driver-charged-with-drunk-driving/?test=faces Get your own on eBay today! http://search.ebay.com/110724096614 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Henifay busted!!!
Mike wrote: Let ME decide if I want to ride in a little car! Dude... You have been dumbed down already - you are an american - no chance you can decide - it has already been decided for you. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Henifay busted!!!
Made in the Elmira, NY area. Not far from Neil and Star Motors. Alas we cannot claim this particular piece of genius http://www.xtrememotorizedcooler.com/index.htm although from what I remember down south you are not allowed to be in possession of cold beer, we'll at least not on a Sunday. Hendrik who would prefer a motorized BBQ (you can plonk the esky on top) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 450 SLC
So did I - I had to replace it, bought one somewhere on-line on sale for around $275 (BenzBin?) - this was before I'd discovered Rusty. It worked fine for the next six years or so that I drove the car. The trick is supposed to be to run AC EVERY month, and to religiously replace the collant with the MB stuff every two years, which is what I did after replacing one unit. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: 20 yrs. ago I owned a 78 SL C with the vertical pb unit and older style servo; even in those days it was pricey to fix/replace the AC. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/08/2011 3:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I was assuming the control box was the evil Chrylser ACC. But you are right, it could be any number of other problems ranging from fairly cheap/easy to rather expensive. In Indiana, summers are pretty uncomfortable without working AC. One has to assume that if a car is being sold with non-working AC, the problem was judged more costly to fix than the car is worth, or is indicative of overall neglect. Allan astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: Nice color for an S LC. AC issue sounds a bit fishy. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:53:49 To:mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 450 SLC http://bloomington.craigslist.**org/cto/2530305628.html http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2530305628.html Color looks... uneven? Again poor quality photos here. Allan __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I love the looks of the W108
Ours was gray-blue/parchment. Very lovely indeed. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Dwight Giles Jr. degco...@cox.net wrote: Ah yes my first (and abiding) love. Sweet. And first MB I ever drove. Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 220K miles 1990 300D 2.5t 196K miles Wickford RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I love the looks of the W108 On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2529563809.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Henifay busted!!!
Down south we call them co-beers and I have been known to occasionally indulge on a Sunday (and a Monday and a...) --R On 8/9/11 9:51 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Alas we cannot claim this particular piece of genius http://www.xtrememotorizedcooler.com/index.htm although from what I remember down south you are not allowed to be in possession of cold beer, we'll at least not on a Sunday. Hendrik who would prefer a motorized BBQ (you can plonk the esky on top) Fred Moir wrote: Alles. Too bad C.A.R.B. will need a $20 million bribe, er fee, to okay its' import. Cynical? Me? Nah! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 8/9/2011 7:39 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: In the South the cops would have joined the guy for a cold one. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/08/08/motorized-beer-cooler-driver-charged-with-drunk-driving/?test=faces Get your own on eBay today! http://search.ebay.com/110724096614 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Henifay busted!!!
Hmm. Elmira is 20 minutes south of me. Mike On Aug 9, 2011 10:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Made in the Elmira, NY area. Not far from Neil and Star Motors. Alas we cannot claim this particular piece of genius http://www.xtrememotorizedcooler.com/index.htm although from what I remember down south you are not allowed to be in possession of cold beer, we'll at least not on a Sunday. Hendrik who would prefer a motorized BBQ (you can plonk the esky on top) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
