Re: [MBZ] stuck brake hoses

[Max Dillon]

If you can give the PB Blaster overnight, it will probably do the job. Heat and 
hydraulics don't mix to well, try to get all the fluid out and be very careful 
to not get burned.

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Allan Streib  wrote:

I started working on replacing the brake hoses on my W116. The fittings
where the hard line meets the hose don't look too bad but they are not
turning. I am using a flare nut wrench. I have PB Blaster on them now.
I may mix up some more ATF/acetone.

Thought about getting a micro-torch so I could heat up the fitting on
the end of the hose a bit. I think my regular blow torch might be too
big.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty-Q has begun!

[Max Dillon]

I managed to take just one really bad picture of "the crowd", and then a few of 
the 124 AMG Hammer wagon. Spent my time getting to know Tom "Parts, this Tom, 
how can I help you", John Robbins, Drew Tibcken, Rick Hawkins, Rolf, and a few 
other folks from some of the forums.

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Bob Rentfro  wrote:

Post some photos.

Bob R

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Just arrived, beautiful day, looking forward to meeting a few list members
> and a lot of MB drivers.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sort of - Car Insurance

[Max Dillon]

Mao, need to get your glasses checked so you can tell banned from regular list! 
Most health insurance will cover the doctor's exam...

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty-Q has begun!

[Mitch Haley]

Max Dillon wrote:
I managed to take just one really bad picture of "the crowd", and then a few of the 124 AMG Hammer wagon. 


The 16v one that was for sale recently, or a real 32v Hammer?

Sometimes I still wish I'd bought Alain's red Hammer sedan when he moved about 
five years ago and I was looking for a 201/124 shell for a diesel project.
OTOH, instead of getting dieselized, the guy who bought that car went to the 
trouble of sourcing a real Hammer engine, which turned out to be the original 
engine from that very Hammer, and put it together right with tens of thousands 
worth of new parts. (and if he drives it 100,000 kms, he can do it all over again)


Looking back on it, those AMG Hammers get rebuilt more often than Diesel Vixens. 
Maybe the whole idea of boring out a 560 block, sticking 32v heads on it, and 
tuning it for massive power wasn't that smart to begin with.


How often do you see an ad where somebody's Vixen died on a trip, he paid some 
ridiculous sum like $12k to rebuild the BMW engine, then had to fly out to 
wherever it died and drive it home after the rebuild, and then wants to sell it 
for $15-20k? I'm reading the ad and thinking "I would have given you $3k cash 
the day you blew the engine".


Mitch.

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[MBZ] OT: Router/Booster/

[Craig]

There has been talk of wireless connections on the list lately.

I saw this in my inbox this morning and thought someone might be
interested:

POWERLINK PL-APN Boost N 802.11b/g/n AP Router + 1W Amplifier/Booster
$47.99 - FREE SHIPPING! 
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SKUSearch.asp?px=MP&scriteria=AA99319

BTW, I have dealt with MWave a lot in the past and found them to be a
good vendor.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty-Q has begun!

[Allan Streib]

Mitch Haley  writes:

> How often do you see an ad where somebody's Vixen died on a trip, he
> paid some ridiculous sum like $12k to rebuild the BMW engine

$12K to rebuild an engine?  Really?  That's astounding.  I turned down
an opportunity to buy a running 524td (seemed mechnically sound but
paint was crazed and interior shabby) for substantially less that that.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sort of - Car Insurance

[Dieselhead]

Bingo!  Only my motorrad was not totalled.  Just bent the front wheel 
and messed up the corner of the front fender.  I never got a penny 
from the A hole who ran a very red light at a high speed. Fortunately 
I hesitated a few seconds to let the latecomers clear the 
intersection before I took off.  there was a vehicle in the left turn 
lane that blocked my vision of the oncoming car.


He figured because the light was green when he turned the corner a 
block away, it was ok to go through the light as long as he floored 
the car.  He was a lead mechanic at the bowtie stealership that I 
also will never go to.



Dieselhead wrote:

Statfarm is reputed to pay their client and never pay the other 
party who was damaged by their client.  That is for sure true in my 
experience.


I filed a claim with SF when one of their customers totaled my motorcycle.
The agent was an old friend of the family. He filed the claim 
without comment. When they denied it, he told me I'd have to sue 
them if I wanted them to pay.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sort of - Car Insurance

[Craig]

On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:48:13 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>Statfarm is reputed to pay their client and never pay the other 
> >>party who was damaged by their client.  That is for sure true in my 
> >>experience.

I guess we have been very fortunate here in Los Alamos. Both time someone
else was at fault in an accident with our '82 240D/3.0, they were insured
by State Farm. Both times, I met an adjuster in Santa Fe who was
reasonable and fair. (Both times with the same adjuster -- the second
time he joked with me about how we met again. I told him that we wouldn't
if his people would stop running into me. He took that comment well.)

After the reviews of the paperwork, State Farm sent me checks.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing fuel hoses from tank to filter - 84 300D

[Dieselhead]

Well, the hoses at the tank are in a clamped on ferrule at the tank 
end.  It is easy enough to cut off the ferrules with a hack saw.  You 
can buy the Official hoses with the ferules, or just cut off the 
ferrules, replace the hose and buy new clamps.


I do the latter.  On a 123, it is hard to get the rubber seals back 
in place with a hose clamp in there.





Thanks Craig


Michael E. Esh


On Sep 9, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Craig  wrote:


 On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 10:41:26 -0400 Mike Esh  wrote:


 I am replacing the rubber lines from the tank to the hard lines that
 run to the engine compartment.  Does the 300D fuel system require any
 special fittings / hoses or does it use simple hose and clamp
 fittings?


 Simple hose and clamp fittings.



 What size are the fuel lines?


 See my write-up from when I worked on our '82 240D/3.0 in 2002, below.
 The pertinent information is toward the end. If I were doing it now, I'd
 buy the 8mm hose from Rusty, 1-800-741-5252.



 Are the hard lines susceptible to leaks that are difficult to detect?


 Not that I know of.


 Craig

 ==

  General

 The sender (on top of the tank, accessable by removing the first aid
 kit) and the strainer (accessable from under the car) both measure
 1.804" across the flats. This is 45.82mm and implies one would use a
 46mm (1.811") or 1 13/16" (1.813") socket. If you have a large enough
 crescent or monkey wrench, you might be able to loosen it from inside
 the trunk. I didn't try this, I just removed the tank, since my car had
 been sitting a year-and-a-half outside here in hot, muggy Texas and I
 wanted to take care of any algae that might have accumulated in it.

  Tank Removal

 To remove the tank I followed this procedure:

 1. Slide a large piece of cardboard under the car in the area of the
fuel tank and differential to catch any fuel spills.
 2. Remove the fuel tank filler cap.
 3. Slide under the car from behind the passenger side rear wheel and
pinch the middle of the fuel supply hose between the strainer and the
metal tube that goes to the engine compartment with a pair of vise
grips.
 4. Disconnect the supply hose from the metal tube.
 5. Place a clean, dry 1 gallon plastic milk jug on a short piece of 2x8
and put the end of the supply hose in its mouth.
 6. Open the vise grips and fill the jug. Close the vise grips when the
jug is full.
 7. Repeat steps 4 and 5 until the tank is empty.
 8. Plug the end of the fuel supply hose with a 5/16" or 8mm bolt and
remove the vise grips.
 9. Slide across to the left side of the car and disconnect the rubber
vent line hose from its metal tube that goes to the front of the car.
The vent line is the larger diameter of the two hoses.
 10. Pinch the fuel return line hose (the smaller of the two hoses) with
the vise grips.
 11. Remove the fuel return line hose from its metal tube and plug the
hose with a 5/16" or 8mm bolt. Remove the vise grips.
 12. Slide out from under the car, get in the back seat, and remove the
first aid kit.
 13. Remove the plastic wheel well"protector" from the passenger side
of the trunk.
 14. Remove the rubber ring between the fuel tank filler neck and the body.
This is most readily accomplished by grasping the ring on the outside
of the body with a pair of pliers and pulling while pushing on the
inside of the ring from inside the trunk with your fingers. I found
that the front edge of the ring was the easiest to get started.
 15. Remove the four tank holding nuts and washers.
 16. Get in the trunk.
 17. Starting at the left side of the tank, lift the tank and pull the
top edge forward.
 18. Struggle a lot while lifting and pulling, wondering if it will ever

 >come out, until it finally does come out.

 19. Put the filler cap back on the filler neck.
 20. Lay the tank down on a large piece of cardboard. Now the fuel gauge
sender is trivial to remove with a wrench. If you remove the
tank-to-body seal from around the strainer, the strainer is also
trivial to remove with a wrench.
 21. If you remove both the strainer and the sender, you can shine a
bright light in the strainer hole and inspect the inside of the tank
from the sender hole.


 Cleaning Sender

 The sender has a small nylon cylinder in the middle of its flat bottom
 that holds the bottom on. Grasp this gently with a pair of pliers and
 rotate it counterclockwise to remove it. The metal plate of the bottom
 will now come off easily and it can be wiped with a paper towel to get
 the algae off it. Next is the rubber gasket. Its top side will harbor
 some amount of algae goo, but it can be wiped clean as well.

 At this point the metal cylinder that forms the outside of the sender
 can be carefully pulled away from the threaded head, revealing the
 sender mechanism. The tube can be readily cleaned inside and out with
 paper towels rubbed on the outside 

[MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[Alex Chamberlain]

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2592002906.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/2577670749.html

Whaddaya think, guys---should I go look, and try Wilton's trick of
attaching the key to an electric sander on the first one, and clean
out the ALDA line on the second?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Router/Booster/

[Brian Toscano]

I wonder how often you can get channel bonding to run at those distances?



On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Craig  wrote:

> There has been talk of wireless connections on the list lately.
>
> I saw this in my inbox this morning and thought someone might be
> interested:
>
> POWERLINK PL-APN Boost N 802.11b/g/n AP Router + 1W Amplifier/Booster
> $47.99 - FREE SHIPPING!
> http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SKUSearch.asp?px=MP&scriteria=AA99319
>
> BTW, I have dealt with MWave a lot in the past and found them to be a
> good vendor.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[Rich Thomas]

Yeah that second one is probably the cross-over tube from the intake 
manifold is clogged up, or a bad fuel filter?  The first one, yes!  Buy 
both, get them running, sell one for more as running, you have one free car.


-R

On 9/11/11 11:50 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2592002906.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/2577670749.html

Whaddaya think, guys---should I go look, and try Wilton's trick of
attaching the key to an electric sander on the first one, and clean
out the ALDA line on the second?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
Yeah that second one is probably the cross-over tube from the intake 
manifold is clogged up, or a bad fuel filter?  The first one, yes!  Buy 
both, get them running, sell one for more as running, you have one free 
car.


Too bad I don't have opportunities like that here.
How about a 300CD with a bad engine for $2500?
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/2581520728.html

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing fuel hoses from tank to filter - 84 300D

[Dan Penoff]

Just make sure you buy good clamps and tighten them properly. If there are 
little bits of hose sticking out of the slots in the clamp, it's too tight...

Dan

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On Sep 11, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, the hoses at the tank are in a clamped on ferrule at the tank end.  It 
> is easy enough to cut off the ferrules with a hack saw.  You can buy the 
> Official hoses with the ferules, or just cut off the ferrules, replace the 
> hose and buy new clamps.
> 
> I do the latter.  On a 123, it is hard to get the rubber seals back in place 
> with a hose clamp in there.
> 
> 
> 
>> Thanks Craig
>> 
>> 
>> Michael E. Esh
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 9, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Craig  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 10:41:26 -0400 Mike Esh  wrote:
>>> 
 I am replacing the rubber lines from the tank to the hard lines that
 run to the engine compartment.  Does the 300D fuel system require any
 special fittings / hoses or does it use simple hose and clamp
 fittings?
>>> 
>>> Simple hose and clamp fittings.
>>> 
>>> 
 What size are the fuel lines?
>>> 
>>> See my write-up from when I worked on our '82 240D/3.0 in 2002, below.
>>> The pertinent information is toward the end. If I were doing it now, I'd
>>> buy the 8mm hose from Rusty, 1-800-741-5252.
>>> 
>>> 
 Are the hard lines susceptible to leaks that are difficult to detect?
>>> 
>>> Not that I know of.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>> ==
>>> 
>>>  General
>>> 
>>> The sender (on top of the tank, accessable by removing the first aid
>>> kit) and the strainer (accessable from under the car) both measure
>>> 1.804" across the flats. This is 45.82mm and implies one would use a
>>> 46mm (1.811") or 1 13/16" (1.813") socket. If you have a large enough
>>> crescent or monkey wrench, you might be able to loosen it from inside
>>> the trunk. I didn't try this, I just removed the tank, since my car had
>>> been sitting a year-and-a-half outside here in hot, muggy Texas and I
>>> wanted to take care of any algae that might have accumulated in it.
>>> 
>>>  Tank Removal
>>> 
>>> To remove the tank I followed this procedure:
>>> 
>>> 1. Slide a large piece of cardboard under the car in the area of the
>>>fuel tank and differential to catch any fuel spills.
>>> 2. Remove the fuel tank filler cap.
>>> 3. Slide under the car from behind the passenger side rear wheel and
>>>pinch the middle of the fuel supply hose between the strainer and the
>>>metal tube that goes to the engine compartment with a pair of vise
>>>grips.
>>> 4. Disconnect the supply hose from the metal tube.
>>> 5. Place a clean, dry 1 gallon plastic milk jug on a short piece of 2x8
>>>and put the end of the supply hose in its mouth.
>>> 6. Open the vise grips and fill the jug. Close the vise grips when the
>>>jug is full.
>>> 7. Repeat steps 4 and 5 until the tank is empty.
>>> 8. Plug the end of the fuel supply hose with a 5/16" or 8mm bolt and
>>>remove the vise grips.
>>> 9. Slide across to the left side of the car and disconnect the rubber
>>>vent line hose from its metal tube that goes to the front of the car.
>>>The vent line is the larger diameter of the two hoses.
>>> 10. Pinch the fuel return line hose (the smaller of the two hoses) with
>>>the vise grips.
>>> 11. Remove the fuel return line hose from its metal tube and plug the
>>>hose with a 5/16" or 8mm bolt. Remove the vise grips.
>>> 12. Slide out from under the car, get in the back seat, and remove the
>>>first aid kit.
>>> 13. Remove the plastic wheel well"protector" from the passenger side
>>>of the trunk.
>>> 14. Remove the rubber ring between the fuel tank filler neck and the body.
>>>This is most readily accomplished by grasping the ring on the outside
>>>of the body with a pair of pliers and pulling while pushing on the
>>>inside of the ring from inside the trunk with your fingers. I found
>>>that the front edge of the ring was the easiest to get started.
>>> 15. Remove the four tank holding nuts and washers.
>>> 16. Get in the trunk.
>>> 17. Starting at the left side of the tank, lift the tank and pull the
>>>top edge forward.
>>> 18. Struggle a lot while lifting and pulling, wondering if it will ever
>> >come out, until it finally does come out.
>>> 19. Put the filler cap back on the filler neck.
>>> 20. Lay the tank down on a large piece of cardboard. Now the fuel gauge
>>>sender is trivial to remove with a wrench. If you remove the
>>>tank-to-body seal from around the strainer, the strainer is also
>>>trivial to remove with a wrench.
>>> 21. If you remove both the strainer and the sender, you can shine a
>>>bright light in the strainer hole and inspect the inside of the tank
>>>from the sender hole.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cleaning Sender
>>> 
>>> The sender has a small nylon cylinder in the middle of its flat bottom
>>> that holds

Re: [MBZ] Replacing fuel hoses from tank to filter - 84 300D

[Allan Streib]

Dan Penoff  writes:

> Just make sure you buy good clamps and tighten them properly. If there
> are little bits of hose sticking out of the slots in the clamp, it's
> too tight...

For clamps that rarely need to be removed I like the crimp-on type.

Example:

   http://www.germansupply.com/home/customer/product.php?productid=17371

VW uses these a lot; I have not seen them on my MBs but I like that they
don't pinch the rubber like the slotted/worm drive clamps can.  You can
buy a special crimping tool but I find that ordinary end-cutting
"nipper" pliers work well.

Allan

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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[WILTON]

Yes.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Chamberlain" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs



http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2592002906.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/2577670749.html

Whaddaya think, guys---should I go look, and try Wilton's trick of
attaching the key to an electric sander on the first one, and clean
out the ALDA line on the second?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sort of - Car Insurance

[Rick Knoble]

Max wrote:
> Mao, need to get your glasses checked so you can tell banned from regular 
> list! Most health insurance will cover the doctor's exam...


He doesn't have health insurance... or a job... or unemployment...

Buddy can you spare a dime?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty-Q has begun!

[Robert Massmann]

Max,

I had planed on comming down to participate in my first Rusty-Q, but work 
got in the way had planned to drive down to Atlanta on Friday and then 
return on Monday. Maybe I will get to come in another two years. Wish I was 
there. Also I wish to thank you again for the lunch outing when I was 
visting in Chaleston last year.


Regards,

Bob Massmann
95 E300D 316K miles

Oregonia Ohio
- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty-Q has begun!


A few different folks from NC were there, maybe next one you can caravan 
over. Park was really nice setting, big new playground for the kids. Lots 
of grass, view of the water. Parking lot was about one-third filled with 
Mercedes.


Max
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WILTON  wrote:

'Wish I were there! Enjoy!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:21 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Rusty-Q has begun!


Just arrived, beautiful day, looking forward to meeting a few list 
members

and a lot of MB drivers.

Max
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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[Fred Moir]

Plugged injector sounds like the engine is doomed but is not.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 9/11/2011 12:08 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:
Yeah that second one is probably the cross-over tube from the intake 
manifold is clogged up, or a bad fuel filter?  The first one, yes!  
Buy both, get them running, sell one for more as running, you have 
one free car.


Too bad I don't have opportunities like that here.
How about a 300CD with a bad engine for $2500?
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/2581520728.html

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Re: [MBZ] stuck brake hoses

[Dieselhead]

The quality of materials used in fasteners for German cars is 
superior to DEEtriot, Japan or any other country.


The frame of my R75/5 for example, was a work of art.  Very thin 
wall, very high strength tubing.  reinforced as needed in high stress 
places.  They are very light, very strong, yet failure is virtually 
unknown, short of a high speed crash.


Working on a 31 year old 240D is a pleasure, because the fasteners 
all come loose as intended.



I would be patient and continue to apply the PBBlaster/Acetone mix. 
Despite having encountered similar fittings on older MBs that lived 
in the North, I never had one of these fittings get boogered up as 
long as I left penetrating oil on it for at least 24 hours and used 
flare nut wrenches (your use is duly noted - good job!)


It always amazed me that they would come apart, especially some of 
the ones that were really corroded.  I can't recall any other brand 
of vehicle I was successful in doing the same.


Dan




From: Allan Streib 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: [MBZ] stuck brake hoses

I started working on replacing the brake hoses on my W116.  The fittings
where the hard line meets the hose don't look too bad but they are not
turning.  I am using a flare nut wrench.  I have PB Blaster on them now.
I may mix up some more ATF/acetone.

Thought about getting a micro-torch so I could heat up the fitting on
the end of the hose a bit.  I think my regular blow torch might be too
big.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] stuck brake hoses

[Brian Toscano]

Sounds like you don't have a Mercedes that was around a lot of salt &
humidity.

Brian






On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The quality of materials used in fasteners for German cars is superior to
> DEEtriot, Japan or any other country.
>
> The frame of my R75/5 for example, was a work of art.  Very thin wall, very
> high strength tubing.  reinforced as needed in high stress places.  They are
> very light, very strong, yet failure is virtually unknown, short of a high
> speed crash.
>
> Working on a 31 year old 240D is a pleasure, because the fasteners all come
> loose as intended.
>
>
>  I would be patient and continue to apply the PBBlaster/Acetone mix.
>> Despite having encountered similar fittings on older MBs that lived in the
>> North, I never had one of these fittings get boogered up as long as I left
>> penetrating oil on it for at least 24 hours and used flare nut wrenches
>> (your use is duly noted - good job!)
>>
>> It always amazed me that they would come apart, especially some of the
>> ones that were really corroded.  I can't recall any other brand of vehicle I
>> was successful in doing the same.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> __**__
>> From: Allan Streib 
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 2:47 PM
>> Subject: [MBZ] stuck brake hoses
>>
>> I started working on replacing the brake hoses on my W116.  The fittings
>> where the hard line meets the hose don't look too bad but they are not
>> turning.  I am using a flare nut wrench.  I have PB Blaster on them now.
>> I may mix up some more ATF/acetone.
>>
>> Thought about getting a micro-torch so I could heat up the fitting on
>> the end of the hose a bit.  I think my regular blow torch might be too
>> big.
>>
>> Allan
>> --
>> 1983 300D
>> 1979 300SD
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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[Dieselhead]

Buy the first one.  Provenance sounds better than the second.  Take 
along an electric toothbrush and a sander but don't show them until 
after you have paid for it.  Then get the lock unlocked and remove 
it.  You can run it with a screwdriver then.


Or you can dump out the guts of the key lock after removal and put it 
back in.   Then it will run with any key or a screwdriver in the slot.






http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/2592002906.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/2577670749.html

Whaddaya think, guys---should I go look, and try Wilton's trick of
attaching the key to an electric sander on the first one, and clean
out the ALDA line on the second?

Alex

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[MBZ] OT: Update on Linux/Ubuntu install

[Gerry Archer]

Tried to install Sylpheed in Ubuntu w/o success, so I set up DSL which has
Sylpheed.  Sylpheed was very easy to set up and connect to the ISP, and
DSL seems to have just about the right degree of complexity for someone
who has a lot to learn about Linux. A fair amount of preferences have to be
set up and saved via the command line, etc.; and a good bit of vocabulary to
be learned.  After learning the way around DSL, maybe I can move on to the
more complex distros with better success than  with Ubuntu.  Should be
interesting.  Many thanks to all for the good advice.
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D


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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM, WILTON  wrote:
> Yes.
>

Wilton, how exactly did the sander trick work?  Did you attach the key
parallel to the sander base (i.e., flat against it in the same
orientation as the sandpaper would go), or perpendicular to it?  How
did you affix the key securely---duct tape, zip ties, etc.?

I can see zip-tying the key to an electric toothbrush, but the sander
sounds more effective---faster oscillations, giving the key more
chances to hit the sweet spot with the pins.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty-Q has begun!

[Max Dillon]

Real thing, bought at Barretts (spelling?) Auction for $50k recently. I think 
it only had about 10k miles? Started as a 124.193. 

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Mitch Haley  wrote:

Max Dillon wrote:
> I managed to take just one really bad picture of "the crowd", and then a few 
> of the 124 AMG Hammer wagon. 

The 16v one that was for sale recently, or a real 32v Hammer?

Sometimes I still wish I'd bought Alain's red Hammer sedan when he moved about 
five years ago and I was looking for a 201/124 shell for a diesel project.
OTOH, instead of getting dieselized, the guy who bought that car went to the 
trouble of sourcing a real Hammer engine, which turned out to be the original 
engine from that very Hammer, and put it together right with tens of thousands 
worth of new parts. (and if he drives it 100,000 kms, he can do it all over 
again)

Looking back on it, those AMG Hammers get rebuilt more often than Diesel 
Vixens. 
Maybe the whole idea of boring out a 560 block, sticking 32v heads on it, and 
tuning it for massive power wasn't that smart to begin with.

How often do you see an ad where somebody's Vixen died on a trip, he paid some 
ridiculous sum like $12k to rebuild the BMW engine, then had to fly out to 
wherever it died and drive it home after the rebuild, and then wants to sell it 
for $15-20k? I'm reading the ad and thinking "I would have given you $3k cash 
the day you blew the engine".

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[WILTON]

Sander gives more robust movements, too, but I'm curious to see if an 
electric tooth brush might vibrate the key enough to operate a stuck 
cylinder - maybe, some.


I attached the key firmly to the vibrating, triangular plate of a Bosch 
detail sander ('cause that's what I have - any with vibrating plate should 
do it) with copper aircraft safety wire; 2 or 3 small zip ties may work very 
well for attaching the key, also.  Any means of attaching the key firmly to 
the plate should be good - even a bolt-and-nut - any way that you can 
transfer vibrating action of the plate to the key and then into the 
cylinder.  I laid the base of the key flat on the plate at one of the apexes 
of the triangle with the key extending out from the apex and parallel to the 
plate.  Holes in the plate and the key greatly facilitated securing them to 
each other.  'Probably don't have to secure the key as well as I did.  'Had 
to attach the key twice; first time, I had it oriented so that I could not 
get the key into the lock, 'cause the steering wheel was blocking access 
(room) for the sander.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Chamberlain" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs



On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM, WILTON  wrote:

Yes.



Wilton, how exactly did the sander trick work?  Did you attach the key
parallel to the sander base (i.e., flat against it in the same
orientation as the sandpaper would go), or perpendicular to it?  How
did you affix the key securely---duct tape, zip ties, etc.?

I can see zip-tying the key to an electric toothbrush, but the sander
sounds more effective---faster oscillations, giving the key more
chances to hit the sweet spot with the pins.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[WILTON]

BTW, my vibrating key hit the sweet spot in about 2 seconds.  There's NO way 
that I could ever vibrate the key that well with my hand, though I had tried 
many times.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs


Sander gives more robust movements, too, but I'm curious to see if an 
electric tooth brush might vibrate the key enough to operate a stuck 
cylinder - maybe, some.


I attached the key firmly to the vibrating, triangular plate of a Bosch 
detail sander ('cause that's what I have - any with vibrating plate should 
do it) with copper aircraft safety wire; 2 or 3 small zip ties may work 
very well for attaching the key, also.  Any means of attaching the key 
firmly to the plate should be good - even a bolt-and-nut - any way that 
you can transfer vibrating action of the plate to the key and then into 
the cylinder.  I laid the base of the key flat on the plate at one of the 
apexes of the triangle with the key extending out from the apex and 
parallel to the plate.  Holes in the plate and the key greatly facilitated 
securing them to each other.  'Probably don't have to secure the key as 
well as I did.  'Had to attach the key twice; first time, I had it 
oriented so that I could not get the key into the lock, 'cause the 
steering wheel was blocking access (room) for the sander.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Chamberlain" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs



On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM, WILTON  wrote:

Yes.



Wilton, how exactly did the sander trick work?  Did you attach the key
parallel to the sander base (i.e., flat against it in the same
orientation as the sandpaper would go), or perpendicular to it?  How
did you affix the key securely---duct tape, zip ties, etc.?

I can see zip-tying the key to an electric toothbrush, but the sander
sounds more effective---faster oscillations, giving the key more
chances to hit the sweet spot with the pins.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sort of - Car Insurance

[Gerry Archer]

A lot seems to depend on your location with Allstate.  Someone rearended
me in Gainesville, Fl and Allstate paid for all repairs at my choice of body 
shops.

Someone rear ended me in Atlanta and a friend told me to be sure and claim
whiplash or I might not get paid. (Technically nearly everyone gets
"whiplashed" in cars without airbags.)
Gerry
'83 300D
'83 240D


On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:48:13 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>Statfarm is reputed to pay their client and never pay the other
>>party who was damaged by their client.  That is for sure true in my
>>experience.


I guess we have been very fortunate here in Los Alamos. Both time someone
else was at fault in an accident with our '82 240D/3.0, they were insured
by State Farm. Both times, I met an adjuster in Santa Fe who was
reasonable and fair. (Both times with the same adjuster -- the second
time he joked with me about how we met again. I told him that we wouldn't
if his people would stop running into me. He took that comment well.)

After the reviews of the paperwork, State Farm sent me checks.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Get real 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Rich Thomas wrote:
>> Yeah that second one is probably the cross-over tube from the intake 
>> manifold is clogged up, or a bad fuel filter?  The first one, yes!  Buy 
>> both, get them running, sell one for more as running, you have one free car.
> 
> Too bad I don't have opportunities like that here.
> How about a 300CD with a bad engine for $2500?
> http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/2581520728.html
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Re: [MBZ] stuck brake hoses

[Dieselhead]

This particular one was not, but most of the rusty ones I have had 
come apart pretty well.  The worst thing is the front fender captive 
nuts on 110/111/112 cars.  Similar for newer models too.



Sounds like you don't have a Mercedes that was around a lot of salt &
humidity.

Brian






On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 The quality of materials used in fasteners for German cars is superior to
 DEEtriot, Japan or any other country.

 The frame of my R75/5 for example, was a work of art.  Very thin wall, very
 high strength tubing.  reinforced as needed in high stress places.  They are
 very light, very strong, yet failure is virtually unknown, short of a high
 speed crash.

 Working on a 31 year old 240D is a pleasure, because the fasteners all come
 loose as intended.


  I would be patient and continue to apply the PBBlaster/Acetone mix.

 Despite having encountered similar fittings on older MBs that lived in the
 North, I never had one of these fittings get boogered up as long as I left
 penetrating oil on it for at least 24 hours and used flare nut wrenches
 (your use is duly noted - good job!)

 It always amazed me that they would come apart, especially some of the
 ones that were really corroded.  I can't recall any other brand 
of vehicle I

 was successful in doing the same.

 Dan



 __**__
 From: Allan Streib 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 2:47 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] stuck brake hoses

 I started working on replacing the brake hoses on my W116.  The fittings
 where the hard line meets the hose don't look too bad but they are not
 turning.  I am using a flare nut wrench.  I have PB Blaster on them now.
 I may mix up some more ATF/acetone.

 Thought about getting a micro-torch so I could heat up the fitting on
 the end of the hose a bit.  I think my regular blow torch might be too
 big.

 Allan
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 1983 300D
 1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty-Q has begun!

[Max Dillon]

Would have been good to see you again, next year!

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Robert Massmann  wrote:

Max,

I had planed on comming down to participate in my first Rusty-Q, but work 
got in the way had planned to drive down to Atlanta on Friday and then 
return on Monday. Maybe I will get to come in another two years. Wish I was 
there. Also I wish to thank you again for the lunch outing when I was 
visting in Chaleston last year.

Regards,

Bob Massmann
95 E300D 316K miles

Oregonia Ohio
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty-Q has begun!


>A few different folks from NC were there, maybe next one you can caravan 
>over. Park was really nice setting, big new playground for the kids. Lots 
>of grass, view of the water. Parking lot was about one-third filled with 
>Mercedes.
>
> Max
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>
> WILTON  wrote:
>
> 'Wish I were there! Enjoy!
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Max Dillon" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:21 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Rusty-Q has begun!
>
>
>> Just arrived, beautiful day, looking forward to meeting a few list 
>> members
>> and a lot of MB drivers.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
BTW, my vibrating key hit the sweet spot in about 2 seconds.  There's NO 
way that I could ever vibrate the key that well with my hand, though I 
had tried many times.


And your hands really vibrated back then.
I'd just touch the sander pad to the lock or the key and see what happens.
I think the object is to get the wafers moving after they're too sticky for 
their own springs to shove them into the right place.


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[MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Brian Toscano]

For those of you in states where Wells Fargo is testing the $3 debit card
fee - I'm wondering if the fee is for having a debit card at all, if you
swipe it just once such as at a Wells branch, or if the fee only kicks in if
you use it for a merchant purchase?  Are there ways to avoid the fee by
keeping a certain minimum balance or having a certain account type?

I have a Wells Fargo account in a state that doesn't have the fee yet.  I'm
just wondering what's coming to us.

Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Michael Canfield]

If my bank starts charging a fee for the debit card they can have it back.

Mike
On Sep 11, 2011 3:17 PM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:
> For those of you in states where Wells Fargo is testing the $3 debit card
> fee - I'm wondering if the fee is for having a debit card at all, if you
> swipe it just once such as at a Wells branch, or if the fee only kicks in
if
> you use it for a merchant purchase? Are there ways to avoid the fee by
> keeping a certain minimum balance or having a certain account type?
>
> I have a Wells Fargo account in a state that doesn't have the fee yet. I'm
> just wondering what's coming to us.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[WILTON]

Yeah, just touching the sander plate to the inserted key may be enough, too, 
while trying to turn the key.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs



WILTON wrote:
BTW, my vibrating key hit the sweet spot in about 2 seconds.  There's NO 
way that I could ever vibrate the key that well with my hand, though I 
had tried many times.


And your hands really vibrated back then.
I'd just touch the sander pad to the lock or the key and see what happens.
I think the object is to get the wafers moving after they're too sticky 
for their own springs to shove them into the right place.


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[MBZ] For sale

[Brian Toscano]

I'm still cleaning out my tool chests.  If anyone is interested please let
me know.

Snap-On chrome socket 1/2" drive 24mm deep, 6 point
Snap-On chrome socket 1/2" drive 27mm deep, 12 point
Snap-On chrome socket 3/8" drive 20mm deep, 6 point
Snap-On chrome socket 3/8" drive 21mm deep, 6 point
All of these are basically new.
Snap On sells these for $27, $27.50, $36.50, and $46.25 respectively.
Asking $25 for both 3/8" socks or $35 for both 1/2" sockets plus shipping.

Snap-On impact sockets 1/2" drive 16,17,18,19,20,21,22,24mm shallow, 6 point
The 6 most commonly used sizes come on a Snap On rail, 2 are not on the
rail.
A few have never been used, a few have some use.
Snap-On sells for $130.70 new, asking $85 plus shipping

Snap-On SOEX711 flank drive plus fractional combination wrenches 3/8" - 1"
This set is no longer available from Snap-On.  The new sets trim the price
by eliminating the 15/16" and 1" sizes or starting at a smaller size.  To
make this set would cost $440.
Asking $300.
Very little use & comes with original box and tray.
Pictures at http://cosprings.craigslist.org/tls/2591237491.html

SK 4051 - 28 piece SAE shallow/deep 1/2" drive sockets 3/8" to 1-1/4"
SK 4 piece 1/2" drive extension set
SK 3 piece impact universal joints - 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" drive
SK 1/2" drive (ratchet/impact end) to 3/4" (socket end)
Amazon sells this for more than $319
Asking $225 plus shipping
Pictures at http://cosprings.craigslist.org/tls/2592391109.html

I have a bunch of Sears Craftsman stuff also:
5 sets of craftsman sockets good/excellent condition:
- 3/8" drive 12 point 9-19 mm shallow 11pc $5
- 1/4" drive 6 point 4-14mm shallow 10pc $5
- 3/8" drive 12 point 1/4" - 3/4" shallow 8pc $5
- 1/4" drive 6 point 5/32" - 9/16" shallow 10pc $5
- (never used) hard to find 8 point sockets 1/4" - 3/4" 11 pc - $20

10 piece crowsfoot + 15/16" modified to make it 11 piece $25

ratchets:
1/4" chrome ratchet
1/4" ratchet
3/8" long handle chrome ratchet
3/8" ratchet
1/2" ratchet

$5 each regular ratchet, $7.50 each chrome ratchet


Also, some Crescent wrenches, channel locks & vice grips:
Crescent (brand name) wrench 15" $25
Crescent (brand name) wrench 6" $5
Channel lock Crescent wrench 10" $8
Chinese 200mm Crescent wrench $2

Vice Grips $5/ea

Channel Lock GL-10 Griplock Pliers $5
Channel Lock GL-12 Griplock Pliers $5
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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[G Mann]

I'm sure it's our bailout money being put to good use by the largest bank in
USA right??

Someone help me. what is a child called where the father isn't known
again???  .. Oh  yea.. that's the word

Grant...

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> If my bank starts charging a fee for the debit card they can have it back.
>
> Mike
> On Sep 11, 2011 3:17 PM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:
> > For those of you in states where Wells Fargo is testing the $3 debit card
> > fee - I'm wondering if the fee is for having a debit card at all, if you
> > swipe it just once such as at a Wells branch, or if the fee only kicks in
> if
> > you use it for a merchant purchase? Are there ways to avoid the fee by
> > keeping a certain minimum balance or having a certain account type?
> >
> > I have a Wells Fargo account in a state that doesn't have the fee yet.
> I'm
> > just wondering what's coming to us.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
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Re: [MBZ] stuck brake hoses

[Fmiser]

> > Dieselhead wrote:
> >
> > The quality of materials used in fasteners for German cars
> > is superior to DEEtriot, Japan or any other country.
> >
> > Working on a 31 year old 240D is a pleasure, because the
> > fasteners all come loose as intended.

> Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> Sounds like you don't have a Mercedes that was around a lot of
> salt & humidity.

I can't speak for Loran, but I have worked on many, many
machines - some of which are now off the road because they are
unsafe due to rust.  And the Mercedes still surprise me with how
well the fasteners un-fasten.  Even on assemblies that clearly
should be permanently fuse.

So, not every single fasten has unscrewed without effort - but
many, many times they _don't_ twist off!! 

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Update on Linux/Ubuntu install

[Fmiser]

> Gerry Archer wrote:

> Tried to install Sylpheed in Ubuntu w/o success, so I set up
> DSL which has Sylpheed.  Sylpheed was very easy to set up and
> connect to the ISP, and DSL seems to have just about the right
> degree of complexity for someone who has a lot to learn about
> Linux. A fair amount of preferences have to be set up and
> saved via the command line, etc.; and a good bit of vocabulary
> to be learned.  After learning the way around DSL, maybe I can
> move on to the more complex distros with better success than
> with Ubuntu.  Should be interesting.  Many thanks to all for

Welcome!  I'm glad it worked out.

And don't be afraid to ask questions.  Though maybe they should
be on the Linux list so as not to bother the sensitives on this
list. *smiles*

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[kevin kraly]

I've been "watching" the the one in Rock Creek.  Man, I wish I had the $600 
to throw down on it!  I would love to have one to tinker on this winter.


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 



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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[Fmiser]

> Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> I can see zip-tying the key to an electric toothbrush, but the
> sander sounds more effective---faster oscillations, giving the
> key more chances to hit the sweet spot with the pins.

Technically, it not really a matter of hitting a sweep spot.
Rather the vibration makes the pins "float" so a bit of pressure
will allow it to operate.  Locksmith and other "authorized"
people use the same technique to deal with totally un-match
locks.  With an ignition key that _almost_ works it shouldn't
take much to get the one or two pins to float enough to allow
the cylinder to turn.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Brian Toscano]

The fee is also starting to be charged by other banks.  The reason for the
monthly fee is claimed to be the reduction in fees caused by the Dodd Act
which limits the amount of fees banks can charge merchants for swiping debit
cards.



On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 1:54 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> I'm sure it's our bailout money being put to good use by the largest bank
> in
> USA right??
>
> Someone help me. what is a child called where the father isn't known
> again???  .. Oh  yea.. that's the word
>
> Grant...
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Michael Canfield  >wrote:
>
> > If my bank starts charging a fee for the debit card they can have it
> back.
> >
> > Mike
> > On Sep 11, 2011 3:17 PM, "Brian Toscano" 
> wrote:
> > > For those of you in states where Wells Fargo is testing the $3 debit
> card
> > > fee - I'm wondering if the fee is for having a debit card at all, if
> you
> > > swipe it just once such as at a Wells branch, or if the fee only kicks
> in
> > if
> > > you use it for a merchant purchase? Are there ways to avoid the fee by
> > > keeping a certain minimum balance or having a certain account type?
> > >
> > > I have a Wells Fargo account in a state that doesn't have the fee yet.
> > I'm
> > > just wondering what's coming to us.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Bob Rentfro]

Guess I better pay attention and see if they're doing that here in the AZ.
If they start that nonsense they will cause me to go old school on them...86
bill pay, 86 direct deposit, 86 auto pay. Go back to get a paycheck, cash
it, deposit some in savings, pay bills, spend the remainder carefully. Screw
WF.

Bob R
On Sep 11, 2011 1:17 PM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:
> The fee is also starting to be charged by other banks. The reason for the
> monthly fee is claimed to be the reduction in fees caused by the Dodd Act
> which limits the amount of fees banks can charge merchants for swiping
debit
> cards.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 1:54 PM, G Mann  wrote:
>
>> I'm sure it's our bailout money being put to good use by the largest bank
>> in
>> USA right??
>>
>> Someone help me. what is a child called where the father isn't known
>> again??? .. Oh yea.. that's the word
>>
>> Grant...
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Michael Canfield > >wrote:
>>
>> > If my bank starts charging a fee for the debit card they can have it
>> back.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > On Sep 11, 2011 3:17 PM, "Brian Toscano" 
>> wrote:
>> > > For those of you in states where Wells Fargo is testing the $3 debit
>> card
>> > > fee - I'm wondering if the fee is for having a debit card at all, if
>> you
>> > > swipe it just once such as at a Wells branch, or if the fee only
kicks
>> in
>> > if
>> > > you use it for a merchant purchase? Are there ways to avoid the fee
by
>> > > keeping a certain minimum balance or having a certain account type?
>> > >
>> > > I have a Wells Fargo account in a state that doesn't have the fee
yet.
>> > I'm
>> > > just wondering what's coming to us.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Brian Toscano]

If you stop your direct deposit watch out for monthly account maintenance
fees depending on if you keep a sufficient balance or transfer between
checking & savings!


On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> Guess I better pay attention and see if they're doing that here in the AZ.
> If they start that nonsense they will cause me to go old school on
> them...86
> bill pay, 86 direct deposit, 86 auto pay. Go back to get a paycheck, cash
> it, deposit some in savings, pay bills, spend the remainder carefully.
> Screw
> WF.
>
> Bob R
> On Sep 11, 2011 1:17 PM, "Brian Toscano"  wrote:
> > The fee is also starting to be charged by other banks. The reason for the
> > monthly fee is claimed to be the reduction in fees caused by the Dodd Act
> > which limits the amount of fees banks can charge merchants for swiping
> debit
> > cards.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 1:54 PM, G Mann  wrote:
> >
> >> I'm sure it's our bailout money being put to good use by the largest
> bank
> >> in
> >> USA right??
> >>
> >> Someone help me. what is a child called where the father isn't known
> >> again??? .. Oh yea.. that's the word
> >>
> >> Grant...
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Michael Canfield  >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > If my bank starts charging a fee for the debit card they can have it
> >> back.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > On Sep 11, 2011 3:17 PM, "Brian Toscano" 
> >> wrote:
> >> > > For those of you in states where Wells Fargo is testing the $3 debit
> >> card
> >> > > fee - I'm wondering if the fee is for having a debit card at all, if
> >> you
> >> > > swipe it just once such as at a Wells branch, or if the fee only
> kicks
> >> in
> >> > if
> >> > > you use it for a merchant purchase? Are there ways to avoid the fee
> by
> >> > > keeping a certain minimum balance or having a certain account type?
> >> > >
> >> > > I have a Wells Fargo account in a state that doesn't have the fee
> yet.
> >> > I'm
> >> > > just wondering what's coming to us.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Brian
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Re: [MBZ] 96 E300D?

[Curt Raymond]

If I were to do it I'd budget a significant amount of cash for it to go into a 
shop for a complete going over before I tried to drive it home.

The ONLY time I drove a car home it was a disaster. ($450 worth exhaust 
later..) So the second car the guy insisted was fine to drive home but I towed 
it anyway, good thing, it had 4 flat tires when I arrived! Then it needed $1000 
in front end work before I dared take it over 45mph...
Fortunately the third car I bought any distance from home was from Dwight and 
he insisted on loaning it to me for 2 months before he'd let me buy it... That 
one was completely trouble free.

The last one was purported to have a dropped timing chain so I knew basically 
what I was getting into. I didn't count on it pouring rain in RI and turning to 
snow by the time I got to MA...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 20:41:38 -0600
From: Brian Toscano 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 96 E300D?
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I've bought 3 cars away from home and only one gave me a completely trouble
free drive back.  I would be particularly concerned about one that's been
sitting any length of time because it wasn't the sellers daily driver.

Brian

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Thought about it. I spent a fair amount of time there, in fact I just got
> back from a 2 week stint and go back next week...
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 190d tranny won't upshift

[Curt Raymond]

Presumably your daughter has what I'm getting over. I picked it up in Milwaukee 
over a month ago. Probably best to take her to the doctor next week. I've been 
living with it but I'm sure some antibiotics would have gotten this over with 
sooner.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 00:02:15 -0400
From: Max Dillon 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190d tranny won't upshift
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Kaleb, are you going to drive all night to be here (Rusty-Q)? I only came here 
to pick up the bundt that you're supposed to bring for Rich! Just got to the 
hotel after 7 brutal hours on the road (construction) , daughter is sick 
coughing up a lung, SWMBO wants to head home ASAP, I hope you're not late!



;)

Max

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Re: [MBZ] transmission no upshift

[Curt Raymond]

If you recall back at Christmas 2007 or so I had this EXACT problem with my 
Dakota.  My wife had to drive 10 miles from work to home in 1st gear. I used my 
topsider to pull about a quart of fluid out and added a quart of Lucas magic 
transmission fluid which looks/smells/feels like thick ATF. I drove it around 
in 1st for awhile and left it overnight. The next morning (after tons of doom 
and gloom posts on here) I drove it around and found if I slipped into neutral 
at speed it'd shift into 2nd. Then eventually 3rd. Then after awhile 4th and it 
started acting fairly normal.

After Christmas I had a fluid/filter change and it drove fine for another 
20,000 miles.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:58:41 -0500
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Today I hooked my gauge to the operating, regulating (not working or
modulator) port and I get no pressure.  According to the semi useful
ATSG book, that means pull the governor and clean out.  I dont see any
way of doing this on a 190D without pulling the trans.  In fact, I just
tried to pull one of a bad trans that was out of the car and I could not
do it either.  I just could not get a couple of c clip things out I
needed to, probably dont have the tools for it.  Anyway, I have several
spare trannies laying around but before I do a swap for the 3rd time on
this car, would some of that trans X or something like that potentially
free up the governor?  It appears the weights spinning around move a
valve in and out, I assume the valve is sticking.  I know that trans x
might work with a stuck valve in the valve body but was not sure if it
might help this situation.   Any other ideas?

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[MBZ] Alternative to RustyQ Skimmer boat

[Dieselhead]

Since I was not able to go to either RustyQ or CHowdahheadsQ, i took 
up an offer to go sailing on a large lake.


This is a very unique 25'  boat, a Skimmer.   She is nearly 
impossible to flip, as she is designed so that if she heels over too 
far, the rudder comes out of the water, and she heads into the wind, 
rights herself, and the sails luff until you gather your wits.


Others handled her for most of the trip, but I had a chance to pilot 
her for a while as we tacked back to the harbor.  She is yar!  Very 
easy to handle.  I was told she was built in Natchez, MS, adapted 
from a design over a century old.  Nice looking boat too!


She comes about nicely.  The wake looked like a very tight 90 degree 
elbow on each tack.


See the link below

http://www.creativemarine.com/skimmer/sailingmag.html

The base website has more info:

http://www.creativemarine.com

Dieselhead
80 240D  almost running
81 240D Awaiting interior parts and floor repair
87 300D
87 300SDL
no sailboat, but we have a canoe...


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Re: [MBZ] stuck brake hoses

[Allan Streib]

Well the time and penetrant worked.  I got the fitting to turn, though
at one point I could feel the wrench starting to round off the corners.
I stopped, repositioned to get a bite on a couple of new corners, and it
finally turned.  I did not end up using any heat.

One thing to keep in mind, even with a flare nut wrench, make sure you
are applying force exactly parallel to the nut.  If you are pushing up
or down at all your wrench will be much more likely to slip and round
off the nut.

The other side came loose with much less trouble, for some reason.  I
have new brake hoses on the front end now, and the rears soaking in
penetrant for an attack tomorrow.  I also treated the bleed screws.

I did cut open one of the old lines out of curiosity.  It didn't look
bad actually, but my karma with brakes is such that I want to eliminate
the unknowns on a new-to-me car.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[Allan Streib]

Fmiser  writes:

> Technically, it not really a matter of hitting a sweep spot.
> Rather the vibration makes the pins "float" so a bit of pressure
> will allow it to operate.  Locksmith and other "authorized"
> people use the same technique to deal with totally un-match
> locks.  With an ignition key that _almost_ works it shouldn't
> take much to get the one or two pins to float enough to allow
> the cylinder to turn.

Same principle that allows a "bump key" to work then, right?

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] 96 E300D?

[Brian Toscano]

My experiences were not nearly as bad, but I've always bought after someone
local could at least check it out.


Brian


On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> If I were to do it I'd budget a significant amount of cash for it to go
> into a shop for a complete going over before I tried to drive it home.
>
> The ONLY time I drove a car home it was a disaster. ($450 worth exhaust
> later..) So the second car the guy insisted was fine to drive home but I
> towed it anyway, good thing, it had 4 flat tires when I arrived! Then it
> needed $1000 in front end work before I dared take it over 45mph...
> Fortunately the third car I bought any distance from home was from Dwight
> and he insisted on loaning it to me for 2 months before he'd let me buy
> it... That one was completely trouble free.
>
> The last one was purported to have a dropped timing chain so I knew
> basically what I was getting into. I didn't count on it pouring rain in RI
> and turning to snow by the time I got to MA...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 20:41:38 -0600
> From: Brian Toscano 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 96 E300D?
> Message-ID:
> 
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>
> I've bought 3 cars away from home and only one gave me a completely trouble
> free drive back.  I would be particularly concerned about one that's been
> sitting any length of time because it wasn't the sellers daily driver.
>
> Brian
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> > Thought about it. I spent a fair amount of time there, in fact I just got
> > back from a 2 week stint and go back next week...
> >
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] stuck brake hoses

[Brian Toscano]

The right side of the car tends to take more abuse all around from pot holes
and the like.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Well the time and penetrant worked.  I got the fitting to turn, though
> at one point I could feel the wrench starting to round off the corners.
> I stopped, repositioned to get a bite on a couple of new corners, and it
> finally turned.  I did not end up using any heat.
>
> One thing to keep in mind, even with a flare nut wrench, make sure you
> are applying force exactly parallel to the nut.  If you are pushing up
> or down at all your wrench will be much more likely to slip and round
> off the nut.
>
> The other side came loose with much less trouble, for some reason.  I
> have new brake hoses on the front end now, and the rears soaking in
> penetrant for an attack tomorrow.  I also treated the bleed screws.
>
> I did cut open one of the old lines out of curiosity.  It didn't look
> bad actually, but my karma with brakes is such that I want to eliminate
> the unknowns on a new-to-me car.
>
> Allan
> --
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> 1979 300SD
>
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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Allan Streib]

Brian Toscano  writes:

> The fee is also starting to be charged by other banks.  The reason for
> the monthly fee is claimed to be the reduction in fees caused by the
> Dodd Act which limits the amount of fees banks can charge merchants
> for swiping debit cards.

I don't totally begrudge the fee, as I find debit cards highly
convenient.  Remember the days of having to carry cash or a checkbook
around everywhere?  There is a definite value to the concept of a debit
card.

However on the margin, the debit transactions cost the banks almost
nothing and even with caps on the merchant fees they are still basically
printing money for themselves by processing debit transactions.

Fortunately there will likely always be a bank hungry enough to offer
fee-free debit cards.  It just may mean needing to shop around a bit.

Credit Unions may be somewhat less likely to charge such fees.

Allan
-- 
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] 96 E300D?

[Fmiser]

> Curt Raymond wrote:

> If I were to do it I'd budget a significant amount of cash for
> it to go into a shop for a complete going over before I tried
> to drive it home.

> The ONLY time I drove a car home it was a disaster. ($450
> worth exhaust later..)

So you had a bad experience.  That doesn't mean it's a bad
idea.  

When I have done it, I drove there - so I had a lot of
tools and some spare parts.  One of them I chained the front
suspension together to drive it home.  

So beware - yes.  And don't believe everything the seller tells
you.

Keep in mind, I do all my own wrenching and I would not trust a
shop to evaluate it anyway.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Brian Toscano]

I think paying a fee to supplement the fees they're already getting from the
merchants, overdraft fees, low interest rates, and the savings they're
getting from not having to process checks is more than enough.  I used cash
and a credit card until this summer when a credit union offered a high
dividend on a checking account if I use the debit card for 12 purchases.
 Now I use a lot less cash, a debit card and credit card.

Brian



On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Brian Toscano  writes:
>
> > The fee is also starting to be charged by other banks.  The reason for
> > the monthly fee is claimed to be the reduction in fees caused by the
> > Dodd Act which limits the amount of fees banks can charge merchants
> > for swiping debit cards.
>
> I don't totally begrudge the fee, as I find debit cards highly
> convenient.  Remember the days of having to carry cash or a checkbook
> around everywhere?  There is a definite value to the concept of a debit
> card.
>
> However on the margin, the debit transactions cost the banks almost
> nothing and even with caps on the merchant fees they are still basically
> printing money for themselves by processing debit transactions.
>
> Fortunately there will likely always be a bank hungry enough to offer
> fee-free debit cards.  It just may mean needing to shop around a bit.
>
> Credit Unions may be somewhat less likely to charge such fees.
>
> Allan
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[MBZ] Trustworthy shops (was: Re: 96 E300D?)

[Allan Streib]

Fmiser  writes:

> Keep in mind, I do all my own wrenching and I would not trust a
> shop to evaluate it anyway.

When I owned a VW Vanagon (well I still own it, but can't drive it,
another story) I became aware of a website that hosted reviews of
(mostly indy) shops across the country.

  http://www.roadhaus.com/shops.php

The idea being, if you found yourself needing service in a unfamiliar
area, you could see if anyone in the Vanagon community had reviewed any
local shops.  The Vanagon is an odd beast and many shops would do more
harm than good trying to work on one, depending on the problem.

Anyone know of anything similar for MBs, especially older ones that many
of us drive?  I don't even think the dealers are always a safe bet when
it comes to cars that are 20+ years old.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Allan Streib]

Brian Toscano  writes:

> the savings they're getting from not having to process checks

Good point, that has got to be a huge savings, not having to handle the
paper all the way from the deposit by the recipient to mailing the
canceled check back to the original account holder.  Even for the few
checks I still write, I don't get the physical paper back anymore, I get
access to images of the check on the bank's website.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Trustworthy shops (was: Re: 96 E300D?)

[w123wagon]

On Sep 11, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Anyone know of anything similar for MBs, especially older ones that many
> of us drive?  I don't even think the dealers are always a safe bet when
> it comes to cars that are 20+ years old.
> 
> Allan

Allan,

Here's some options to start:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/forumdisplay.php?f=14
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/recommended-repair-shops/
http://www.mbca.org/forums/technical-forums/recommended-shops

I have limited experience with the links. I am a big fan of Yelp.com these days 
even though I realize reviews can be falsified / abused.

Dave
SoCal
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sort of - Car Insurance

[Mountain Man]

Rick wrote:
> He doesn't have health insurance... or a job... or unemployment...

Hey - do I know you?...
And, forget the dime.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] For sale

[Mountain Man]

Brian wrote:
> Pictures at http://cosprings.craigslist.org/tls/2593252676.html

I used to live east of there - moose pasture south of Ellicott.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Mountain Man]

Brian wrote:
> ...depending on if you keep a sufficient balance or transfer between
> checking & savings!

I bet I get there before any one else here - balance is plummeting,
zero replenishing.
Oh well - only the good die... hey, I'm not young...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Mountain Man]

Mark to Market - as I understand is an accounting that recognizes
market value of assets, i.e. the institution counts their assets based
on current market value.

Someone mentioned to me recently that the banks are literally broke -
they are accounting their assets at value of loan, not market value.
Awesome - if this is true, it seems we are in a great deal more
trouble than it appears.  Oh, well.

Can anyone verify this concept and premise?
Thanks.

mao

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Re: [MBZ] For sale

[Brian Toscano]

When I first moved here, Google maps told me to exit I-70 east of Colby &
take US 40 and CO 94.  Nice drive, but CO 94 needs to be repaved.  Boom,
boom, boom.

Brian


On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> > Pictures at http://cosprings.craigslist.org/tls/2593252676.html
>
> I used to live east of there - moose pasture south of Ellicott.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[John Reames]

Speaking of 3 phase, has anyone considered (ab)using a VFD as a solid state 
phase converter?

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On Sep 9, 2011, at 17:56, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have both, and I have had problems with neither.  The K45 I have with the 
> twister is a hobart made mixer.  The K5 is a early whirlypoo model.
> 
> Neither are really big enough for serious breadmaking.
> 
> I have a 20 qt hobart that does pretty well for small batches of bread.  (Of 
> course that is another order of magnitude of price.)
> 
> I'd really like a 140 qt hobart if I had space and 3 phase power (and a use 
> for that much dough).  It will easily mix as little as 5 lb of bread dough.  
> It will also make over 100 lb of dough.
> 
> Actually an M802 is kind of a happy medium.
> 
> 
>> I have one where the bowl has a screw/twist mount on the bottom. That tended 
>> to pull out when mixing dough, so I beefed up the threads on the bowl by 
>> brazing on some additional metal.  That fixed it, but if I were to  get 
>> another I'd get the one where the bowl hangs on pins on either side, that 
>> looks a lot stronger to me.
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 190d tranny won't upshift

[Max Dillon]

Hope you feel better soon, daughter had a nasty cough that lasted about a week, 
she's over out now. My message was a little hyperbole aimed at Kaleb for 
failing to show, guess I'll have to fly out to Okie land if I'm ever to meet 
him.

Max
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Curt Raymond  wrote:

Presumably your daughter has what I'm getting over. I picked it up in Milwaukee 
over a month ago. Probably best to take her to the doctor next week. I've been 
living with it but I'm sure some antibiotics would have gotten this over with 
sooner.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 00:02:15 -0400
From: Max Dillon 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190d tranny won't upshift
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Kaleb, are you going to drive all night to be here (Rusty-Q)? I only came here 
to pick up the bundt that you're supposed to bring for Rich! Just got to the 
hotel after 7 brutal hours on the road (construction) , daughter is sick 
coughing up a lung, SWMBO wants to head home ASAP, I hope you're not late!



;)

Max

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Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers

[Dieselhead]

Well actually, with a bit of experimenting, you can use a 3 phase 
mixer on single phase pretty easily.  You find the "wild" leg, then 
put it on a momentary on pushbutton switch, hooked to one leg of the 
240V. single phase (120V).  Then you hook the other two legs through 
the normal (on off) switch to the other two legs of the three phase. 
Done.


TO start, you turn the switch on and press the momentary switch until 
the beast gets up to speed, then release the momentary switch.  Its 
pretty cool once you get used to it.  I set up a M802 (80 Qt. hobart 
that way for a bakery one time.


Works for any 3 phase motor you manually start.  Helps a lot if 
whoever wired the building has the legs in the right position in all 
the junction boxes.  The "wild" leg should be in the middle. 
Unfortunately many "licensed" electricians don't know/don't do it 
this way.



Speaking of 3 phase, has anyone considered (ab)using a VFD as a 
solid state phase converter?


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On Sep 9, 2011, at 17:56, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

 I have both, and I have had problems with neither.  The K45 I have 
with the twister is a hobart made mixer.  The K5 is a early 
whirlypoo model.


 Neither are really big enough for serious breadmaking.

 I have a 20 qt hobart that does pretty well for small batches of 
bread.  (Of course that is another order of magnitude of price.)


 I'd really like a 140 qt hobart if I had space and 3 phase power 
(and a use for that much dough).  It will easily mix as little as 5 
lb of bread dough.  It will also make over 100 lb of dough.


 Actually an M802 is kind of a happy medium.


 I have one where the bowl has a screw/twist mount on the bottom. 
That tended to pull out when mixing dough, so I beefed up the 
threads on the bowl by brazing on some additional metal.  That 
fixed it, but if I were to  get another I'd get the one where the 
bowl hangs on pins on either side, that looks a lot stronger to me.


 Allan


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Re: [MBZ] Alternative to RustyQ Skimmer boat

[Fmiser]

> Dieselhead wrote:

> Since I was not able to go to either RustyQ or CHowdahheadsQ,
> i took up an offer to go sailing on a large lake.
> 
> This is a very unique 25'  boat, a Skimmer.

Sweet!!

I want one.  Too bad my "lake" is only about 35ft long...

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing fuel hoses from tank to filter - 84 300D

[Craig]

On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:11:25 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Just make sure you buy good clamps and tighten them properly. If there
> are little bits of hose sticking out of the slots in the clamp, it's
> too tight...

Some of the hose clamps on the Benzes I have owned have been the type
with slots, but they also have a tab that goes under the slotted portion
that keeps the hose from being damaged by the slots.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sort of - Car Insurance

[Mike Esh]

Full coverage $250,000.00 liability per person $500,000.00 per occurrence 
-1859.00 per year from Citizens Ins. Michigan thru an Independent Insurance 
agent.
2005 Dodge Caravan
1991 Chevy Van
1984 300D
1978 MGB

Michael E. Esh


On Sep 9, 2011, at 10:17 PM, LWB250  wrote:

> It's important to understand some things regarding State Farm and Florida:
> 
> 1.) State Farm no longer writes home insurance in Florida.  They recently 
> submitted a request to increase the premiums of the current homeowner's 
> policies in Florida something in the neighborhood of 150%.  This is after 
> they have already raised premiums over 80% in the past 4-5 years.
> 
> 2.) They will write me a homeowner's policy here, because I have "continuous 
> coverage".  Their premiums are more than 2x every other insurer I got quotes 
> from for the exact same coverage. After the first year they are no longer 
> obligated to insure me.  At that time they will drop me.  This is a given.
> 
> 3.) When I moved back to Florida and found out how badly they were raping me, 
> I got the, "But you have guaranteed insurability!"  Of course I do - I am 
> paying for it!
> 
> 4.) When I pleaded with my agent of nearly 15 years to do something to help 
> me cut my auto premiums, all I got was a diatribe about how rampant auto 
> insurance fraud is in Florida, and they're just passing the costs along.
> 
> Long story short, State Farm is here because they can justify the outrageous 
> premiums they charge.  When competitors can give me the same products and 
> services for 20% less and be a reputable (if that's possible for any 
> insurance company!) nationally rated company, there is something wrong.
> 
> I am going to give my State Farm agent the chance for a rebuttal, but I don't 
> expect them to move from where they are cost-wise.
> 
> Guys - I pay over $6k/year for three 5-6 year old cars with no accident 
> histories.  I do have a 19 year old in the house, but he gets a good student 
> and good driver discount.  Allstate is the first company I gave a chance to 
> compete for my business, and they can knock that down by $1200-$1400/year for 
> the same coverage.  That tells me that State Farm is getting fat, dumb and 
> happy off my loyalty.
> 
> This should be interesting.  I will be really curious as to the tack they 
> take when I give them a chance to respond...
> 
> Thanks to everyone for their input.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Sort of - Car Insurance
> 
> Both Nostate and StatFarm are on my "black" list.  I will never buy anything 
> from either.  Nostate has a particularly bad rep from those who had katrina 
> damage.  StatFarm is not far behind.
> 
> 
> Statfarm is reputed to pay their client and never pay the other party who was 
> damaged by their client.  That is for sure true in my experience.
> 
> 
>> Just got done going over our insurance with an Allstate guy.
>> 
>> Long story short, same coverage as we've had with State Farm, $1600.00 
>> cheaper a year.
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Re: [MBZ] Alternative to RustyQ Skimmer boat

[Dieselhead]

As near as I can tell we went out about 7 miles, then back.  We 
started up a different small inlet, but the clouds looked 
threatening, so the skipper said to take her to the shed.  I was 
disappointed, as I had her lined up to sail right up the inlet.




 > Dieselhead wrote:


 Since I was not able to go to either RustyQ or CHowdahheadsQ,
 i took up an offer to go sailing on a large lake.

 This is a very unique 25'  boat, a Skimmer.


Sweet!!

I want one.  Too bad my "lake" is only about 35ft long...

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sort of - Car Insurance

[Mike Esh]

I rather enjoy a tirade now and again it helps keep things in perspective.  

Michael E. Esh

On Sep 11, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>> He doesn't have health insurance... or a job... or unemployment...
> 
> Hey - do I know you?...
> And, forget the dime.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Rolf]

The banks don't make any money on debit cards and therein lies the rub. 
I believe the $3 a month for a debit card is pretty nominal. BoA has 
already raised their ATM fees to $3.50! BoA and Citi are also talking 
about limiting the transactions to $50-$100 or less.


Temporary lay offs, good times.
EZ credit rip offs, good times!

-Rolf


On 9/11/2011 5:50 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

I think paying a fee to supplement the fees they're already getting from the
merchants, overdraft fees, low interest rates, and the savings they're
getting from not having to process checks is more than enough.  I used cash
and a credit card until this summer when a credit union offered a high
dividend on a checking account if I use the debit card for 12 purchases.
  Now I use a lot less cash, a debit card and credit card.

Brian



On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:


Brian Toscano  writes:


The fee is also starting to be charged by other banks.  The reason for
the monthly fee is claimed to be the reduction in fees caused by the
Dodd Act which limits the amount of fees banks can charge merchants
for swiping debit cards.

I don't totally begrudge the fee, as I find debit cards highly
convenient.  Remember the days of having to carry cash or a checkbook
around everywhere?  There is a definite value to the concept of a debit
card.

However on the margin, the debit transactions cost the banks almost
nothing and even with caps on the merchant fees they are still basically
printing money for themselves by processing debit transactions.

Fortunately there will likely always be a bank hungry enough to offer
fee-free debit cards.  It just may mean needing to shop around a bit.

Credit Unions may be somewhat less likely to charge such fees.

Allan
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1979 300SD

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[MBZ] RustyQ/Atlanta Meetup 2011 pics.

[Rolf]

Pics I took. Curtis Gee showed up with a rolleiflex and I am looking 
forward to seeing "period" correct shots:


https://picasaweb.google.com/winmutt/MBRustyQ2011?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNX9jZPdgfC9igE&feat=directlink

I had a great time and got worked on my red neck tan. Next year its 
gonna be ribs and I'm offically calling the STD side of things Atlanta 
MeatUp. Thanks to Rusty for providing the drinks and location. I really 
have to say the view from the pavilion was spectacular. The weather 
couldn't have been any better.


:D

-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] 96 E300D?

[Max Dillon]

I bought my '87 300TD on Ebay, traveled from Charleston to Philly on a one-way 
ticket. She was pretty rough, but after a test drive I decided she would make 
it, and she did with one break-down. At about the half way point, a plastic 
piece in the throttle linkage under the intake manifold broke.

I found a piece of twine on the side of the road that I could use to crudely 
operate the throttle, limped into a Home Depot, bought what I needed to repair 
the piece, glued it back together and let it dry overnight, and drive carefully 
home the next day.

Max
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Brian Toscano  wrote:

My experiences were not nearly as bad, but I've always bought after someone
local could at least check it out.


Brian


On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> If I were to do it I'd budget a significant amount of cash for it to go
> into a shop for a complete going over before I tried to drive it home.
>
> The ONLY time I drove a car home it was a disaster. ($450 worth exhaust
> later..) So the second car the guy insisted was fine to drive home but I
> towed it anyway, good thing, it had 4 flat tires when I arrived! Then it
> needed $1000 in front end work before I dared take it over 45mph...
> Fortunately the third car I bought any distance from home was from Dwight
> and he insisted on loaning it to me for 2 months before he'd let me buy
> it... That one was completely trouble free.
>
> The last one was purported to have a dropped timing chain so I knew
> basically what I was getting into. I didn't count on it pouring rain in RI
> and turning to snow by the time I got to MA...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 20:41:38 -0600
> From: Brian Toscano 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 96 E300D?
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I've bought 3 cars away from home and only one gave me a completely trouble
> free drive back. I would be particularly concerned about one that's been
> sitting any length of time because it wasn't the sellers daily driver.
>
> Brian
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> > Thought about it. I spent a fair amount of time there, in fact I just got
> > back from a 2 week stint and go back next week...
> >
> > -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[G Mann]

Mao,

I believe it is safe to surmise the giant Ponzi scheme of the Federal
Reserve / IRS / Banking System is almost over.  Like all Ponzi schemes it
requires a steady supply of new money... since the giant crash of 2008 that
supply has dried up... the stimulus money [billions and billions] has simply
vaporized into nothing with no visible result [except record bonuses for
bank officials]. Housing, which was the largest source of "new money" in
the form of "fresh credit indentures" which in the past paid a monthly
income stream of cash into the banks holding the paper, has dried up with
the total crash of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. Ops someone killed
the goose that lays the golden eggs...

Add to that the wholesale shipment of American manufacturing offshore, for
the past 20 yrs, and the concurring loss of jobs / wages / deposits /
savings... and bank reserves in the form of savings deposits is fading like
daylight at sunset.

Banks don't "hold" your deposit for you... they loan it out and make money
on it... you save less they lose their ability to use your money for free
[nearly] while they rape the guy who takes a loan to buy a house
/car/business thus the house of cards falls.. and falls.. and falls...

Watch what the stock market does... the folks that vote with their wallet
vote there .. every day when things start to look bad they pull $votes$
like lately.

I predict there will be a shift of substance in the general populations use
of banks and the holding of cash Rather than give it to banks [who have
breached public trust] people will hold cash in hand [if they can get any to
hold]... much like happened post 1928 -1940 period.  [ As a general trend ].

Just a few thoughts on your question.

Grant...

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Mark to Market - as I understand is an accounting that recognizes
> market value of assets, i.e. the institution counts their assets based
> on current market value.
>
> Someone mentioned to me recently that the banks are literally broke -
> they are accounting their assets at value of loan, not market value.
> Awesome - if this is true, it seems we are in a great deal more
> trouble than it appears.  Oh, well.
>
> Can anyone verify this concept and premise?
> Thanks.
>
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Update on Linux/Ubuntu install

[Craig]

On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:10:45 -0400 "Gerry Archer"
 wrote:

> Tried to install Sylpheed in Ubuntu w/o success, so I set up DSL which
> has Sylpheed.  Sylpheed was very easy to set up and connect to the ISP,
> and DSL seems to have just about the right degree of complexity for
> someone who has a lot to learn about Linux.

Indeed, congratulations!

Sylpheed is what we have been using as an email client for the last 9
years or so. It works very well. I have also discovered a few tricks with
it to have it open web pages in Seamonkey and open HTML email as a web
page -- those make it very handy for when people send non-text email.

Using a distribution that comes with it is very helpful. Since the switch
to Version 3, I have had to download and compile the sources. There were
numerous dependencies to be satisfied so it would compile; having found
and downloaded the correct packages, I now have no problems when new
versions come out. I can imagine the difficulty in getting it all to work
when you are new with Linux.


> Having a distribution A fair amount of preferences have to be set up
> and saved via the command line, etc.; and a good bit of vocabulary to
> be learned.  After learning the way around DSL, maybe I can move on to
> the more complex distros with better success than  with Ubuntu.  Should
> be interesting.

Indeed! And again, congratulations!


> Many thanks to all for the good advice. Gerry

You're welcome.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Mountain Man]

Grant wrote:
> I predict there will be a shift of substance in the general populations use
> of banks and the holding of cash Rather than give it to banks [who have
> breached public trust] people will hold cash in hand [if they can get any to
> hold]... much like happened post 1928 -1940 period.  [ As a general trend ].

Awesome... bad!
Do you - or anyone else here - have information regarding the concepts
of Mark to Market and its application to assets that institutions have
on their books?  Are institutions really still keeping book value
rather than market value for their institutional valuations?  That
sounds much like what you predict - awesome bad news.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Alternative to RustyQ Skimmer boat

[OK Don]

I have a 1970 Larson M16 Scow (http://www.m16scow.org/specs.html) and
trailer that I'm going to sell before Christmas (I hope) --
It was the trainer for racing yachts at one time -- has all the myriad
adjustments for everything you can imagine. Mine has a wooden mast, good
sails, etc. The sheets are original, probably should be replaced, as well as
the rigging hardware, thoughit mostly still works (some are stiff). The
block in the center of the boat for the main sheet came off - needs to be
re-installed.
I really don't want to have to move it and find a place to park it at the
new house -- and I don't need two boats anyway.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As near as I can tell we went out about 7 miles, then back.  We started up
> a different small inlet, but the clouds looked threatening, so the skipper
> said to take her to the shed.  I was disappointed, as I had her lined up to
> sail right up the inlet.
>



-- 
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2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Brian Toscano]

Who makes money for every swipe & a percentage of the transaction if the
banks dont?



On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Rolf  wrote:

> The banks don't make any money on debit cards and therein lies the rub. I
> believe the $3 a month for a debit card is pretty nominal. BoA has already
> raised their ATM fees to $3.50! BoA and Citi are also talking about limiting
> the transactions to $50-$100 or less.
>
> Temporary lay offs, good times.
> EZ credit rip offs, good times!
>
> -Rolf
>
>
> On 9/11/2011 5:50 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
>> I think paying a fee to supplement the fees they're already getting from
>> the
>> merchants, overdraft fees, low interest rates, and the savings they're
>> getting from not having to process checks is more than enough.  I used
>> cash
>> and a credit card until this summer when a credit union offered a high
>> dividend on a checking account if I use the debit card for 12 purchases.
>>  Now I use a lot less cash, a debit card and credit card.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Allan Streib
>>  wrote:
>>
>>  Brian Toscano>
>>>  writes:
>>>
>>>  The fee is also starting to be charged by other banks.  The reason for
 the monthly fee is claimed to be the reduction in fees caused by the
 Dodd Act which limits the amount of fees banks can charge merchants
 for swiping debit cards.

>>> I don't totally begrudge the fee, as I find debit cards highly
>>> convenient.  Remember the days of having to carry cash or a checkbook
>>> around everywhere?  There is a definite value to the concept of a debit
>>> card.
>>>
>>> However on the margin, the debit transactions cost the banks almost
>>> nothing and even with caps on the merchant fees they are still basically
>>> printing money for themselves by processing debit transactions.
>>>
>>> Fortunately there will likely always be a bank hungry enough to offer
>>> fee-free debit cards.  It just may mean needing to shop around a bit.
>>>
>>> Credit Unions may be somewhat less likely to charge such fees.
>>>
>>> Allan
>>> --
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>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[G Mann]

Mao,
Wayyy above my pay grade, so I don't have access to the internal bank
documents necessary to confirm Mark to Market speculations.

However, prior to and leading to the 2008 crash, banks did a "pump and dump"
on home mortgages.  They made nonconforming loans to overpriced values
without using "normal" standards for borrowers, then immediately "dumped"
those mortgages by the millions to Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac... who then sold
drivatives [don't ask me to explain what those are, not sure any knows] onto
the stock exchange... AIG insured these bad loans, which "made them valid"
for stock trade [so it appears]... Starting to sound like a Vaudville Act
yet? .

>From my point of view, and information in hand, there are still "some" home
mortgages on the banks books, many which are under water [now worth less
than was loaned against the "real value" of land /house which secures the
note]. This is a hit to the banks liquidity and [we were told] the reason
for the "Bailout money] given to the banks... It appears that approx. 18% of
those loans are now in Foreclosure [across the board national average]. In
fact, it now looks like it was the biggest robbery ever pulled off in world
history

Just my thoughts. your mileage may vary.

Grant...

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Grant wrote:
> > I predict there will be a shift of substance in the general populations
> use
> > of banks and the holding of cash Rather than give it to banks [who
> have
> > breached public trust] people will hold cash in hand [if they can get any
> to
> > hold]... much like happened post 1928 -1940 period.  [ As a general trend
> ].
>
> Awesome... bad!
> Do you - or anyone else here - have information regarding the concepts
> of Mark to Market and its application to assets that institutions have
> on their books?  Are institutions really still keeping book value
> rather than market value for their institutional valuations?  That
> sounds much like what you predict - awesome bad news.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] 96 E300D?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> I bought my '87 300TD on Ebay, traveled from Charleston to Philly on a 
> one-way ticket.
> She was pretty rough, but after a test drive I decided she would make it, and 
> she did with one
>break-down. At about the half way point, a plastic piece in the throttle 
>linkage under the
>intake manifold broke.
>

Those plastic ball-and-socket joints and the other plastic bits in the
accelerator, kickdown, and cruise linkages on the 603 engines
infuriate me.   Looking at them makes me understand why so many people
think of the 123 as the "last real Mercedes."  The weird thing to me
is that when the 124 was being designed, Mercedes was a long way from
feeling pressure from the Japanese, and from what I've read they were
still very much in the mode of "we'll engineer the cars as well as we
possibly can, and then set prices as high as they need to be to make a
profit."  So why did someone choose to save a dollar per car by
spec'ing plastic instead of metal in such a crucial area?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Tempting "problem" 300SDs

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:05 AM, WILTON  wrote:
> BTW, my vibrating key hit the sweet spot in about 2 seconds.

Well, this one resisted the treatment, sadly, or I didn't have the
right touch.   Despite Wilton's excellent instructions (have you
thought about a new career in technical writing, Wilton?), I couldn't
get the key to turn.  The seller thought I was a lunatic when I
brought out my just-purchased $15 Harbor Freight detail sander,
plugged it into an inverter in my truck, and started fastening the key
to the sander plate with mechanic's wire.  Her opinion did not change
when the magic trick I promised failed to happen after ten minutes or
so of wiggling the running sander with key attached in various ways.

We had agreed on $800 if I could start the car.  (I didn't feel quite
daring enough to buy it without first getting the key to turn).  It
wasn't a bad example of a daily-driver 126, either.  A little rusty
around the rear fenders (NJ car originally, she'd driven it here to go
to college) and a little cosmetically challenged inside (collapsed
front seats, most of the wood falling off)---but obviously
mechanically kept up by her parents, with a folder of receipts an inch
thick going back ten years.

Oh, well.  I told her to let me know if she didn't get any more bites
on CL and was willing to drop the price further.  Maybe I could go
back and try a toothbrush instead.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Alternative to RustyQ Skimmer boat

[Gerry Archer]

(Message from a member of the diesel car group)

From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>

Since I was not able to go to either RustyQ or CHowdahheadsQ,

(barbeques)  i took up an offer to go sailing on a large lake.


This is a very unique 25'  boat, a Skimmer.   She is nearly impossible to 
flip, as she is designed so that if she heels over too far, the rudder 
comes out of the water, and she heads into the wind, rights herself, and 
the sails luff until you gather your wits.


Others handled her for most of the trip, but I had a chance to pilot her 
for a while as we tacked back to the harbor.  She is yar!  Very easy to 
handle.  I was told she was built in Natchez, MS, adapted from a design 
over a century old.  Nice looking boat too!


She comes about nicely.  The wake looked like a very tight 90 degree elbow 
on each tack.


See the link below

http://www.creativemarine.com/skimmer/sailingmag.html

The base website has more info:

http://www.creativemarine.com

Dieselhead
80 240D  almost running
81 240D Awaiting interior parts and floor repair
87 300D
87 300SDL
no sailboat, but we have a canoe...
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Hi Marcus,
Thought this was unique the way it is designed to keep from turning over.
I'm wondering if the high gas prices are going to increase the market share
for sailboats and/or combination sail/gas powered boats.
If sail/power boats that can do either easily and efficient haven't already
been perfected using the most modern technology (computers that decide
when and where sails should raised/lowered/set etc. and do that via electric
motors that are powered by large batteries that are part of a hybrid 
gas/electric

system something like the Prius has.).
A long shot might be efficient sail/gas/electric boats that could become 
popular
with the public because of their very good "mileage" but aren't really a 
good
investment long term because of their high initial cost; again, someting 
like the

Prius.

Just thinking out loud on a very early Monday morning.
Love,
Pop


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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Rick Knoble]

Grant wrote:
> who then sold
> drivatives [don't ask me to explain what those are, not sure any knows] 

This lady knows more about derivatives than most people on the planet. 

http://www.tavakolistructuredfinance.com/biography.html

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Wells Fargo $3 debit card fee

[Walt Zarnoch]

I stopped doing business with bofa after they auto-enrolled me in some
supplemental insurance BS via "respond if you don't want it, and we'll
refund".

Walt
On Sep 11, 2011 9:56 PM, "Rolf"  wrote:
> The banks don't make any money on debit cards and therein lies the rub.
> I believe the $3 a month for a debit card is pretty nominal. BoA has
> already raised their ATM fees to $3.50! BoA and Citi are also talking
> about limiting the transactions to $50-$100 or less.
>
> Temporary lay offs, good times.
> EZ credit rip offs, good times!
>
> -Rolf
>
>
> On 9/11/2011 5:50 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>> I think paying a fee to supplement the fees they're already getting from
the
>> merchants, overdraft fees, low interest rates, and the savings they're
>> getting from not having to process checks is more than enough. I used
cash
>> and a credit card until this summer when a credit union offered a high
>> dividend on a checking account if I use the debit card for 12 purchases.
>> Now I use a lot less cash, a debit card and credit card.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Allan Streib
wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Toscano writes:
>>>
 The fee is also starting to be charged by other banks. The reason for
 the monthly fee is claimed to be the reduction in fees caused by the
 Dodd Act which limits the amount of fees banks can charge merchants
 for swiping debit cards.
>>> I don't totally begrudge the fee, as I find debit cards highly
>>> convenient. Remember the days of having to carry cash or a checkbook
>>> around everywhere? There is a definite value to the concept of a debit
>>> card.
>>>
>>> However on the margin, the debit transactions cost the banks almost
>>> nothing and even with caps on the merchant fees they are still basically
>>> printing money for themselves by processing debit transactions.
>>>
>>> Fortunately there will likely always be a bank hungry enough to offer
>>> fee-free debit cards. It just may mean needing to shop around a bit.
>>>
>>> Credit Unions may be somewhat less likely to charge such fees.
>>>
>>> Allan
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