Re: [MBZ] Bio-Diesel

[clay monroe]

seller is a criminal.  Well, more a profiteer.  There is a feedstock 
variability, but if he is going through his tanks that quickly, he should 
invest in another location to feed the demand.  

Around PNW, the price fluctuates depending on cost of processing.  Sometimes #2 
is a bit less, sometimes BioD is competitive.  Price stays fairly stable unless 
there is a large disruption in petro pricing.  We still get the penny per 
percent reduction, so B99 comes out the pump having been subsidized almost a 
dollar.  

BioD seller is also home heating provider, so tanks are always getting 
serviced.  I figure if the price stays stabile for a month or more, supply must 
be high, since it is the #2 that bounces around more than soy fuel.

clay


On Oct 27, 2012, at 4:55 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> I'm only aware of one place that sells bio-diesel here in Charleston, and the 
> guy running it adjusts the price to stay about 10 cents higher than Dino.  I 
> called him about it once, pointed out how my car got worse mileage due to the 
> lower energy content, inconvenience of going out of my way to his pump.  He 
> claimed he was adjusting his price due to changes in feed stock prices.  I've 
> never gone back.  Back then our state (or was it national?) was offering tax 
> breaks.  Those are long gone, price seems to stay lock step ten cents higher.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Craig]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 21:26:13 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> I have the jack, no lug wrench.

I have an extra W124 lug wrench around here. Someplace.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Amsoil ATF in an older transmission

[clay monroe]

Fluid and filters need to be changed.  No use running fresh fluid through a 
nasty filter  Fresh standard ATF will help flush gunk out.  Not as good as 
synth, but a short shot of synth will allow you to change to longer periods.

clay


On Oct 27, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Alan Clarke wrote:

> Doesn't doing several changes defeat the purpose of going to synthetic, 
> namely extended fluid change. BTW, when I first got my vehicle I stocked up 
> on both Amzoil for the engine as well as this transmission fluid which I am 
> now talking about using.  This isn't cheap stuff but on the other hand it's 
> cheaper than  transmission repair down the road.
> 
> On 10/27/2012 7:52 AM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>> when I changed my transmission over to Mobil synthetic ATF it came out
>> dirty the first several times - lots of black stuff in the fluid.  Not
>> chunks, but just not clear.  I guess it came from the bands.  Similar with
>> the differential.  On two diesel trucks I owned, changing to synthetic
>> caused one to develop a rear main leak while the other was fine.  I would
>> say YMMV.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:55 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
>> 
>>> I would not fear using Synth in an old transmission.  I have used it in
>>> both Gump and Frosch with no troubles or leakage. It does tend to clean up
>>> the garbage inside the transmission, so you do a short run for the first
>>> fill.  Also used it in standard street cars 10-20 years old.  When you
>>> change the fluid, swap in a fresh filter and the seal.  No leaks.  I have
>>> only used Mobil 1, so no idea if Amsoil is any less of a product, but I
>>> would doubt.  Drain the TC when you do the fluid so you have a true clean
>>> system.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Alan Clarke wrote:
>>> 
 Wanted some advise or thoughts on using Amsoil ATF in my 85 Turbo. It is
>>> a synthetic rated as a Dexron II and III replacement.  One mechanic I
>>> respect thought it was bad idea to use for reasons of causing leaking seals
>>> and the like in an older tranny.  The tranny has been serviced regularly
>>> and has under 150K mile.  Another mechanic who works on Mercedes thought it
>>> would be OK as long as it was an approved fluid by MBZ for their vehicles.
>>>   I'm not sure if it's approved or not.  Does anyone have any information
>>> and or thoughts about the use of synthetic Amsoil ATF in an older 123
>>> Diesel with a 722.315 transmission?
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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Bob Rentfro]

I have the jack, no lug wrench.

Bob R
On Oct 29, 2012 6:44 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> Meaning you need a jack? Strangely I just found the one from my '83 240D.
> Need to bring it inside and lube it up but it should work fine.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:12:02 -0700
> From: Bob Rentfro 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries
> Message-ID:
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>
> So...opened the trunk for the first time this morning (now that I got the
> correct key from Rusty) and there was a car cover, a Honda jack, the
> correct jack on lug wrench...anyone have one?) , a spare holding air, a
> large chain guide (new) and a stack of owners/maintenance manuals. Looks
> like this car started its life in Santa Cruz, CA (first owners Joshua and
> Eliza Baer).  Pretty impeccable service records kept until 79K miles
> (5/1983) all performed at a place called Bergstorm Motor Co in Santa Cruz.
> Then there is a big gap until 8/31/87 when "an original MERCEDES BENZ
> exchange engine" was installed. It has the mileage listed at 149,028. The
> odometer shows 375K right now (but it is no working, of course).
> Interesting.
> So today I changed the oil and did the front brakes. When I was retracting
> the inside piston on the drivers side, I got a few drips of brake fluid
> out. So, can these calipers be rebuilt?
>
> Next day off will be rebuilding calipers (if possible), renew brake fluid,
> flush/fill coolant, exhaust donuts, manual transmission fluid renew (if I
> can get the fill plug out), and the rear diff (ditto fill plug).
>
> What else should be done to establish a baseline for this car? Also, is it
> creepy to try to contact the former owners of this car?
>
> Bob R
> 1980 240D 4 SPD 375K ?
> 2005 320E 123K
> 2006 Jetta TDI 145K
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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Dieselhead]

That is a nice story. Those cars are very rare. I've only seen one 
on the roads.  Always wanted one along with the LWB 123 or 115.


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I always thought it was a great car.   The 300SE coupe with the 
rounded off fins is even more beautiful, and to me one of the all 
time best looking cars, with the 300SL and the long body 126.   A 
friend of mine had a 300SE sedan (112) and had the money to take care 
of it.  I think it was submerged in the floods of 1993, and I never 
heard what happened to that car after that.


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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Dieselhead]

Bit of an in-joke with Loren, I have 9 or 10 stoves (it can be hard 
to keep count) and around 30 lanterns.
I'd posted a youtube video of the 52 Week Coleman Challenge some 
time ago. I forget whom but somebody didn't seem to realize it was 
me...


-Curt


Yep.


Bummer about the sump pump.  That is a real pain!  Hope you can get 
it dried out without great losses.


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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Dieselhead]

I contacted the daughter of the (deceased) former owner of my 1962 
300SE, and it was a real treat.  She had lots of fond memories of 
her dad and the car, and was excited to know that it was being cared 
for by someone who appreciated what it was.  She also gave me a lot 
of insight into how it was cared for in the 30 or so years that he 
owned it.  I still get Christmas cards from her.


I would do it.  I don't think it's creepy at all.  And really - 
what's the worst thing that could happen? They think you're a psycho 
and they blow you off.  Nothing lost.


And buy new hoses.  When you replace them, cut the old ones in half 
and look at how swollen they are inside.  You'll be amazed, I 
promise.


Dan

\
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the brake hoses into check valves, leading to burned up brake parts.


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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Dimitri Seretakis]

That is a nice story. Those cars are very rare. I've only seen one on the 
roads.  Always wanted one along with the LWB 123 or 115.

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On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

No.  It was a W112 sedan with a M189 engine in it and air suspension.  My all 
time favorite MB.

It had a really cool history:

It was purchased new in San Francisco by a nuclear physicist who was on the 
faculty at Berkeley.  He owned it up to his death sometime in the mid 1990s.  
He died intestate (without a will) and while his estate was being sorted out 
the car was stored in a warehouse in Colma, CA, also known as the "City of the 
Dead".  Google it -  I used to work right next to Colma in South San Francisco.

Anyway, Joe Knight from the R/E list spotted it in a Craigslist add and pointed 
it out to me, as I had put the word out that I was looking for a finnie.  He 
drove across the Bay and took a look at it.  Get this - all of the glass, with 
the exception of the driver's window, were broken out of it.  Vandals had 
broken in to the warehouse where it was stored and damaged it along with some 
other cars stored there as well.  The attorneys handling the estate had called 
the local MB dealership and asked about replacement glass - which could be had 
- and subsequently gagged on the cost.  Hence, they decided to dump the car on 
Craigslist as-is.

Joe drove the car, and despite having to wear his sunglasses to keep the wind 
out of his eyes, said it ran and drove well.  The body was all original and had 
no rust, and the car was otherwise worn, but intact.

I made a couple of phone calls and was able to locate an auto glass place in 
Redwood that would do the side windows.  While talking with the glass guy, he 
started asking me questions about the car.  "Hey, you know, my dad, who lives 
up near La Honda, has a car that's just like yours.  It's been stuck in the mud 
next to our garage for years."  He indicated that Dad might part with the car, 
especially since it would make Mom really happy to have the eyesore gone.

Some more research with Randy Steele of European Parts down in Santa Barbara 
confirmed that Dad's car, a 1963 250S, had exactly the same glass.

So, I cut a deal with the glass guy's dad for $250 for the 250S, bought the 
300SE, and flew out to the Bay area with my youngest son in tow.  Al Lumas, 
also of the R/E list, and owner of a horse ranch in Milpitas, offered to let me 
get both cars to the ranch and keep them there long enough to swap parts and 
prepare the 300SE for shipment back to Florida.

That Saturday we had a "listfest" of Bay area MB owners at Al's Ranch with a 
barbecue and a "strip the parts car" party.  By Tuesday I had everything 
swapped over and all of the spares I could gather from the donor car packed in 
the 300SE.  The transport company came and loaded it later that week, while my 
youngest son and I spent a much needed few days in the backcountry of Yosemite 
National Park.  Al was able to dispose of the donor car carcass, how I don't 
know.

A week or so later, the car was in Florida.  This was in August.  I had it 
cleaned up and running nicely within a week, and used it as a daily driver from 
that point on.

I would add that the whole time this was taking place, a lurker on the R/E list 
kept emailing me about the car, asking what I wanted for it.  I made it pretty 
clear I was not interested in selling.

Fast forward to October, and the water pump starts leaking. Bad.  Understand 
that unlike other finnies, the 300SE was the top of the line vehicle in its 
day, costing close to $6,000 in 1962 (the price of a nice house, even in 
California!)  It has the M189 motor in it, essentially the same as the gullwing 
in many respects.  It's a highly engineered motor, and very unique in a lot of 
respects, one of those being the water pump that is driven off the rear of the 
generator!

There is something resembling a Lovejoy coupling between the two, then the pump 
housing.  Rusty, bless his heart, felt sorry for me because I totally freaked 
when the pump failed and found out what it cost ($400!) Yes, they had one in 
Germany, so I had to wait for it to be shipped over.  It took nearly a month to 
get it to me. Oy.

So now I start looking into parts prices - I had already done so somewhat, 
after finding out a distributor cap was unobtanium ($300 for an NOS one if you 
could find it) among other things.  Again, panic started to set in when I 
worried about what else might break and exceed the value of the car.

In the meantime, the lurker from the R/E list starts emailing me about the car 
again.  I'm pretty fed up with him by this point, so when he asks me, "What 
will it take to buy the car?" I emailed him back with a really ridiculous price 
(we're talking five figures) and figured that it would be the last I would hear 
from him.

I'm at home one afternoon a few days later, working at the computer, and a 
FedEx driver comes to the door with an 

Re: [MBZ] OT: 03 Ford Focus wheel bearing or tie rod?

[Dan Penoff]

Nope. Totally on my watch - no one else has ever driven the car but me.  If I 
thought I would have had the time to do the work myself I would have.  Crappy 
formed steel part was $500 from Ford.  Talk about getting boned by the 
stealership.

Dan


On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

> You better believe it. My brother was driving a BMW in college. He and some 
> friends decided to see how high the car would fly over a hill. The car took 
> up air and crashed landed Dukes of Hazard style. He cracked the finned cast 
> aluminum oil pan and lost all oil on the street. Had car towed and told our 
> father that he hit a pothole. He knew it was a lie and was not amused by the 
> $900 repair bill.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:24 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
> 
> On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:15 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> 
> I did have to drop a chunk of change for a rear trailing arm that was bent, 
> but I don't consider that a defect or maintenance expense - I must have hit a 
> pothole or something really hard and just not realized it.
> 
> 
> If you have anyone else that has driven it... Think young adult son... 
> There's the cause. I speak from experience on that one. 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Dan Penoff]

No.  It was a W112 sedan with a M189 engine in it and air suspension.  My all 
time favorite MB.

It had a really cool history:

It was purchased new in San Francisco by a nuclear physicist who was on the 
faculty at Berkeley.  He owned it up to his death sometime in the mid 1990s.  
He died intestate (without a will) and while his estate was being sorted out 
the car was stored in a warehouse in Colma, CA, also known as the "City of the 
Dead".  Google it -  I used to work right next to Colma in South San Francisco.

Anyway, Joe Knight from the R/E list spotted it in a Craigslist add and pointed 
it out to me, as I had put the word out that I was looking for a finnie.  He 
drove across the Bay and took a look at it.  Get this - all of the glass, with 
the exception of the driver's window, were broken out of it.  Vandals had 
broken in to the warehouse where it was stored and damaged it along with some 
other cars stored there as well.  The attorneys handling the estate had called 
the local MB dealership and asked about replacement glass - which could be had 
- and subsequently gagged on the cost.  Hence, they decided to dump the car on 
Craigslist as-is.

Joe drove the car, and despite having to wear his sunglasses to keep the wind 
out of his eyes, said it ran and drove well.  The body was all original and had 
no rust, and the car was otherwise worn, but intact.

I made a couple of phone calls and was able to locate an auto glass place in 
Redwood that would do the side windows.  While talking with the glass guy, he 
started asking me questions about the car.  "Hey, you know, my dad, who lives 
up near La Honda, has a car that's just like yours.  It's been stuck in the mud 
next to our garage for years."  He indicated that Dad might part with the car, 
especially since it would make Mom really happy to have the eyesore gone.

Some more research with Randy Steele of European Parts down in Santa Barbara 
confirmed that Dad's car, a 1963 250S, had exactly the same glass.

So, I cut a deal with the glass guy's dad for $250 for the 250S, bought the 
300SE, and flew out to the Bay area with my youngest son in tow.  Al Lumas, 
also of the R/E list, and owner of a horse ranch in Milpitas, offered to let me 
get both cars to the ranch and keep them there long enough to swap parts and 
prepare the 300SE for shipment back to Florida.

That Saturday we had a "listfest" of Bay area MB owners at Al's Ranch with a 
barbecue and a "strip the parts car" party.  By Tuesday I had everything 
swapped over and all of the spares I could gather from the donor car packed in 
the 300SE.  The transport company came and loaded it later that week, while my 
youngest son and I spent a much needed few days in the backcountry of Yosemite 
National Park.  Al was able to dispose of the donor car carcass, how I don't 
know.

A week or so later, the car was in Florida.  This was in August.  I had it 
cleaned up and running nicely within a week, and used it as a daily driver from 
that point on.

I would add that the whole time this was taking place, a lurker on the R/E list 
kept emailing me about the car, asking what I wanted for it.  I made it pretty 
clear I was not interested in selling.

Fast forward to October, and the water pump starts leaking. Bad.  Understand 
that unlike other finnies, the 300SE was the top of the line vehicle in its 
day, costing close to $6,000 in 1962 (the price of a nice house, even in 
California!)  It has the M189 motor in it, essentially the same as the gullwing 
in many respects.  It's a highly engineered motor, and very unique in a lot of 
respects, one of those being the water pump that is driven off the rear of the 
generator!

There is something resembling a Lovejoy coupling between the two, then the pump 
housing.  Rusty, bless his heart, felt sorry for me because I totally freaked 
when the pump failed and found out what it cost ($400!) Yes, they had one in 
Germany, so I had to wait for it to be shipped over.  It took nearly a month to 
get it to me. Oy.

So now I start looking into parts prices - I had already done so somewhat, 
after finding out a distributor cap was unobtanium ($300 for an NOS one if you 
could find it) among other things.  Again, panic started to set in when I 
worried about what else might break and exceed the value of the car.

In the meantime, the lurker from the R/E list starts emailing me about the car 
again.  I'm pretty fed up with him by this point, so when he asks me, "What 
will it take to buy the car?" I emailed him back with a really ridiculous price 
(we're talking five figures) and figured that it would be the last I would hear 
from him.

I'm at home one afternoon a few days later, working at the computer, and a 
FedEx driver comes to the door with an envelope.  I sign for it, look at the 
sender's name and don't recognize it, and open the envelope.

It's a cashier's check for the amount I quoted the lurker, along with his 
contact information. Holy.

Re: [MBZ] OT: 03 Ford Focus wheel bearing or tie rod?

[Dimitri Seretakis]

You better believe it. My brother was driving a BMW in college. He and some 
friends decided to see how high the car would fly over a hill. The car took up 
air and crashed landed Dukes of Hazard style. He cracked the finned cast 
aluminum oil pan and lost all oil on the street. Had car towed and told our 
father that he hit a pothole. He knew it was a lie and was not amused by the 
$900 repair bill.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:24 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:15 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

I did have to drop a chunk of change for a rear trailing arm that was bent, but 
I don't consider that a defect or maintenance expense - I must have hit a 
pothole or something really hard and just not realized it.


If you have anyone else that has driven it... Think young adult son... There's 
the cause. I speak from experience on that one. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 03 Ford Focus wheel bearing or tie rod?

[Rick Knoble]

On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:15 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> I did have to drop a chunk of change for a rear trailing arm that was bent, 
> but I don't consider that a defect or maintenance expense - I must have hit a 
> pothole or something really hard and just not realized it.


If you have anyone else that has driven it... Think young adult son... There's 
the cause. I speak from experience on that one. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Do you still have the 300SE? It's a coupe right?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:38 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

I contacted the daughter of the (deceased) former owner of my 1962 300SE, and 
it was a real treat.  She had lots of fond memories of her dad and the car, and 
was excited to know that it was being cared for by someone who appreciated what 
it was.  She also gave me a lot of insight into how it was cared for in the 30 
or so years that he owned it.  I still get Christmas cards from her.

I would do it.  I don't think it's creepy at all.  And really - what's the 
worst thing that could happen? They think you're a psycho and they blow you 
off.  Nothing lost.

And buy new hoses.  When you replace them, cut the old ones in half and look at 
how swollen they are inside.  You'll be amazed, I promise.

Dan


On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

I second buying new hoses.


I agree and get NEW brake Hoses while you are at it.

On 10/29/2012 17:23, Dan Penoff wrote:
No rebuilding of calipers. It's not cost effective, nor is it safe to do.

Buy a pair of remains from Rusty and be done with it.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Curt Raymond]

Bit of an in-joke with Loren, I have 9 or 10 stoves (it can be hard to keep 
count) and around 30 lanterns.
I'd posted a youtube video of the 52 Week Coleman Challenge some time ago. I 
forget whom but somebody didn't seem to realize it was me...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:48:38 -0400
From: Michael Canfield 
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Everyone in the NE has a Coleman stove and lantern.Don't we?

Mike
On Oct 29, 2012 7:29 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To bad you don't have a coleman stove and a lantern...
>
>
>  Things are just starting to ramp up as darkness falls. The rain is
>> getting serious and the wind is starting to gust. I'm not seriously
>> worried, we get some pretty good wind anyway.
>> I bought a gallon of camp fuel, I usually keep 2 gallons on hand so this
>> is just a backup, I've got 3 gallons of kerosene, 1 gallon of mix gas for
>> the generator and a half dozen 1# cans of propane plus 3 gallons for the
>> grill. I put the battery charger on my 110ah battery that will run lights
>> and laptops, it was charged, which reminds me I should put it on my spare
>> group 49 battery, suspenders and belt after all.
>> The woodstove is lit, the wood room is about 3/4 full, the outside rack
>> has a half cord under a tarp.
>>
>> In a minute I'm going to roast a chicken for dinner, bake bread and cook
>> some turkey cutlets for lunch tomorrow.
>>
>>  -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Curt Raymond]

Its rough...

Fortunately we got all through dinner and the first episode of "Sherlock" 
(excellent!) on Amazon Prime with no loss of power. The sump pump did decide 
not to play and as its raining very hard there is rather a lot of water in the 
basement. The pump would work but wouldn't cycle on its own. I fiddled with the 
float for awhile and now it cycles every few minutes. Strange, I'd even 
vacuumed the dust out earlier today, should have wet tested it though.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:28:53 -0500
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To bad you don't have a coleman stove and a lantern...


>Things are just starting to ramp up as darkness falls. The rain is 
>getting serious and the wind is starting to gust. I'm not seriously 
>worried, we get some pretty good wind anyway.
>I bought a gallon of camp fuel, I usually keep 2 gallons on hand so 
>this is just a backup, I've got 3 gallons of kerosene, 1 gallon of 
>mix gas for the generator and a half dozen 1# cans of propane plus 3 
>gallons for the grill. I put the battery charger on my 110ah battery 
>that will run lights and laptops, it was charged, which reminds me I 
>should put it on my spare group 49 battery, suspenders and belt 
>after all.
>The woodstove is lit, the wood room is about 3/4 full, the outside 
>rack has a half cord under a tarp.
>
>In a minute I'm going to roast a chicken for dinner, bake bread and 
>cook some turkey cutlets for lunch tomorrow.
>
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Curt Raymond]

Meaning you need a jack? Strangely I just found the one from my '83 240D. Need 
to bring it inside and lube it up but it should work fine.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:12:02 -0700
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So...opened the trunk for the first time this morning (now that I got the
correct key from Rusty) and there was a car cover, a Honda jack, the
correct jack on lug wrench...anyone have one?) , a spare holding air, a
large chain guide (new) and a stack of owners/maintenance manuals. Looks
like this car started its life in Santa Cruz, CA (first owners Joshua and
Eliza Baer).  Pretty impeccable service records kept until 79K miles
(5/1983) all performed at a place called Bergstorm Motor Co in Santa Cruz.
Then there is a big gap until 8/31/87 when "an original MERCEDES BENZ
exchange engine" was installed. It has the mileage listed at 149,028. The
odometer shows 375K right now (but it is no working, of course).
Interesting.
So today I changed the oil and did the front brakes. When I was retracting
the inside piston on the drivers side, I got a few drips of brake fluid
out. So, can these calipers be rebuilt?

Next day off will be rebuilding calipers (if possible), renew brake fluid,
flush/fill coolant, exhaust donuts, manual transmission fluid renew (if I
can get the fill plug out), and the rear diff (ditto fill plug).

What else should be done to establish a baseline for this car? Also, is it
creepy to try to contact the former owners of this car?

Bob R
1980 240D 4 SPD 375K ?
2005 320E 123K
2006 Jetta TDI 145K

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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Dan Penoff]

I contacted the daughter of the (deceased) former owner of my 1962 300SE, and 
it was a real treat.  She had lots of fond memories of her dad and the car, and 
was excited to know that it was being cared for by someone who appreciated what 
it was.  She also gave me a lot of insight into how it was cared for in the 30 
or so years that he owned it.  I still get Christmas cards from her.

I would do it.  I don't think it's creepy at all.  And really - what's the 
worst thing that could happen? They think you're a psycho and they blow you 
off.  Nothing lost.

And buy new hoses.  When you replace them, cut the old ones in half and look at 
how swollen they are inside.  You'll be amazed, I promise.

Dan


On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

> I second buying new hoses.
> 
> 
>> I agree and get NEW brake Hoses while you are at it.
>> 
>> On 10/29/2012 17:23, Dan Penoff wrote:
>>> No rebuilding of calipers. It's not cost effective, nor is it safe to do.
>>> 
>>> Buy a pair of remains from Rusty and be done with it.
>>> 
>>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 03 Ford Focus wheel bearing or tie rod?

[Dan Penoff]

BT. Wrong.

I have two of them, both well north of 150k and both have been excellent cars 
from a operating and maintenance standpoint.

I did have to drop a chunk of change for a rear trailing arm that was bent, but 
I don't consider that a defect or maintenance expense - I must have hit a 
pothole or something really hard and just not realized it.

Dan

 
On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Boots are intact.  154K miles.  That's kinda high for a Focus I guess.
> I've been told they are a 100K mile car.
> 
> Allan
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Yes. No stove though.

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On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:48 PM, Michael Canfield  wrote:

Everyone in the NE has a Coleman stove and lantern.Don't we?

Mike
On Oct 29, 2012 7:29 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

To bad you don't have a coleman stove and a lantern...


Things are just starting to ramp up as darkness falls. The rain is
getting serious and the wind is starting to gust. I'm not seriously
worried, we get some pretty good wind anyway.
I bought a gallon of camp fuel, I usually keep 2 gallons on hand so this
is just a backup, I've got 3 gallons of kerosene, 1 gallon of mix gas for
the generator and a half dozen 1# cans of propane plus 3 gallons for the
grill. I put the battery charger on my 110ah battery that will run lights
and laptops, it was charged, which reminds me I should put it on my spare
group 49 battery, suspenders and belt after all.
The woodstove is lit, the wood room is about 3/4 full, the outside rack
has a half cord under a tarp.

In a minute I'm going to roast a chicken for dinner, bake bread and cook
some turkey cutlets for lunch tomorrow.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Fmiser]

> > > Curt wrote:
> > >
> > > ... I
> > > put the battery charger on my 110ah battery that will run
> > > lights and laptops, it was charged, which reminds me I
> > > should put it on my spare group 49 battery, suspenders and
> > > belt after all. The woodstove is lit, the wood room is
> > > about 3/4 full, the outside rack has a half cord under a
> > > tarp.

> > Dieselhead wrote:
> >
> > To bad you don't have a coleman stove and a lantern...


> Michael Canfield wrote:

> Everyone in the NE has a Coleman stove and lantern.Don't
> we?

That was a secret comment jerking Curt's chain.  He has a
couple dozen lanterns (at least) and a few stoves.  Collecting
them is another of his hobbies.

--   Philip, who has less than a dozen lanters and stoves
 combined.

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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Dieselhead]

I second buying new hoses.



I agree and get NEW brake Hoses while you are at it.

On 10/29/2012 17:23, Dan Penoff wrote:

No rebuilding of calipers. It's not cost effective, nor is it safe to do.

Buy a pair of remains from Rusty and be done with it.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Dieselhead]

Interestingly enough, I did not notice, nor did anyone else I know. 
Makes one wonder...


No, correct that, my niece who works for A Government Agency had the 
day off, was well-provisioned for the blow, and started early.  Have 
not heard from the boy, he probably spent the day studying anyway.


--R

On 10/29/12 3:45 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

The Fed govt and private sector are all closed today in DC.


Do we even need a federal gummit?

Oh yeah, Article one section 8 of the constitution sez:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, 
Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common 
Defence .


That means things like defending the borders, and protecting embassy 
personnel.Who was it that swore to uphold the constitution? 
Hm Maybe we should fire the lot.. 
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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Michael Canfield]

Wind is pretty strong here in Burdett, NY.  Been pouring rain for a few
hours.  Time to go sit by the woodstove and watch tv with the kids until
the power goes out.

Mike
On Oct 29, 2012 7:29 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To bad you don't have a coleman stove and a lantern...
>
>
>  Things are just starting to ramp up as darkness falls. The rain is
>> getting serious and the wind is starting to gust. I'm not seriously
>> worried, we get some pretty good wind anyway.
>> I bought a gallon of camp fuel, I usually keep 2 gallons on hand so this
>> is just a backup, I've got 3 gallons of kerosene, 1 gallon of mix gas for
>> the generator and a half dozen 1# cans of propane plus 3 gallons for the
>> grill. I put the battery charger on my 110ah battery that will run lights
>> and laptops, it was charged, which reminds me I should put it on my spare
>> group 49 battery, suspenders and belt after all.
>> The woodstove is lit, the wood room is about 3/4 full, the outside rack
>> has a half cord under a tarp.
>>
>> In a minute I'm going to roast a chicken for dinner, bake bread and cook
>> some turkey cutlets for lunch tomorrow.
>>
>>  -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 115 speakers

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have had and seen several 115 with that 

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> My 76 300D has speakers mounted on the kick panels on both sides in the 
> front. The box is black and maybe 4" square.
> 
> I had assumed they were original but maybe not.
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Michael Canfield]

Everyone in the NE has a Coleman stove and lantern.Don't we?

Mike
On Oct 29, 2012 7:29 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To bad you don't have a coleman stove and a lantern...
>
>
>  Things are just starting to ramp up as darkness falls. The rain is
>> getting serious and the wind is starting to gust. I'm not seriously
>> worried, we get some pretty good wind anyway.
>> I bought a gallon of camp fuel, I usually keep 2 gallons on hand so this
>> is just a backup, I've got 3 gallons of kerosene, 1 gallon of mix gas for
>> the generator and a half dozen 1# cans of propane plus 3 gallons for the
>> grill. I put the battery charger on my 110ah battery that will run lights
>> and laptops, it was charged, which reminds me I should put it on my spare
>> group 49 battery, suspenders and belt after all.
>> The woodstove is lit, the wood room is about 3/4 full, the outside rack
>> has a half cord under a tarp.
>>
>> In a minute I'm going to roast a chicken for dinner, bake bread and cook
>> some turkey cutlets for lunch tomorrow.
>>
>>  -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 03 Ford Focus wheel bearing or tie rod?

[Allan Streib]

More details after a bit more inspection

Peter Frederick  writes:

> Do the normal checks -- straight in and out play at the bearing is the  
> bearing

None.

> in and out play on an unloaded (jackstand under the control  
> arm) is probably ball joint or maybe loose strut mount bolts.

None

> Play when rocking top to bottom is ball joint or strut mount (upper)

None

> side to side is a tie rod or drag link,

Yes there is noticiable play side to side (hands at 9 and 3 on the tire)

> vertical play when prying up on the bottom of the tire is a bad ball
> joint.

None really noticable

> A bad CV joint can groan, but the diagnostic is a low speed very sharp
> turn.  A distinct "click click click" at wheel speed is a worn out
> joint.

There is a tapping or knocking sound, varies with speed, perhaps a loose
tie rod in combination with a slightly unbalanced wheel?  Seems to
happen most often coming off throttle.

> They normally don't fail unless the boots are bad, but it does  
> happen at high milage.  They can also moan and rumble when they get  
> really worn, too.

Boots are intact.  154K miles.  That's kinda high for a Focus I guess.
I've been told they are a 100K mile car.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W123 MPG

[Michael Canfield]

I love my 83 300d! Just got back from a trip to Rochester and back. 160 gps
miles, 5.35 gallons of fuel comes to 29.9mpg driving like I stole it. It
has NA gears in the rear so it comes off the line pretty well but really
turns some rpm's(tach doesn't work) at 75 and 80mph but runs along smooth
as can be at that speed. Gotta do a valve adjustment and general checkover
to get ready for an 1800 mile trip to Parris Island to pick up my son after
boot camp. So, 60 gallons or so of veggie oil should get me there and back.
That's about $5 worth of filtering and 1 hour of my time to process the
fuel. And, I get to drive one of the finest cars ever made.

Mike
On Oct 29, 2012 6:11 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:02:34 + (UTC) dbl...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > I get 28 to 29 MPG on my mixed freeway/city commute in my '77 240D.
> > (1979 drivetrain, AC removed) The way I drive it, I am surprised there
> > is no hole in the carpet under the accelerator.
>
> We generally get 23 MPG with our naturally aspirated 240D/3.0 here at an
> elevation of 7400 feet.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Dieselhead]

To bad you don't have a coleman stove and a lantern...


Things are just starting to ramp up as darkness falls. The rain is 
getting serious and the wind is starting to gust. I'm not seriously 
worried, we get some pretty good wind anyway.
I bought a gallon of camp fuel, I usually keep 2 gallons on hand so 
this is just a backup, I've got 3 gallons of kerosene, 1 gallon of 
mix gas for the generator and a half dozen 1# cans of propane plus 3 
gallons for the grill. I put the battery charger on my 110ah battery 
that will run lights and laptops, it was charged, which reminds me I 
should put it on my spare group 49 battery, suspenders and belt 
after all.
The woodstove is lit, the wood room is about 3/4 full, the outside 
rack has a half cord under a tarp.


In a minute I'm going to roast a chicken for dinner, bake bread and 
cook some turkey cutlets for lunch tomorrow.



-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Peter Frederick]

My sister and brother in law are stuck in LA until Wed. at 11 pm --  
were supposed to get home this morning, I think.  They live just off  
the GW Parkway a few miles north of Mt. Vernon.


Hopefully the house won't wash down the street, and they won't have  
the power out for ages like they did this summer.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 115 speakers

[Peter Frederick]

They are original.

At least the ones in my brother's car were.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Russ Williams]

I agree and get NEW brake Hoses while you are at it.

On 10/29/2012 17:23, Dan Penoff wrote:

No rebuilding of calipers. It's not cost effective, nor is it safe to do.

Buy a pair of remains from Rusty and be done with it.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 29, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:


So...opened the trunk for the first time this morning (now that I got the
correct key from Rusty) and there was a car cover, a Honda jack, the
correct jack on lug wrench...anyone have one?) , a spare holding air, a
large chain guide (new) and a stack of owners/maintenance manuals. Looks
like this car started its life in Santa Cruz, CA (first owners Joshua and
Eliza Baer).  Pretty impeccable service records kept until 79K miles
(5/1983) all performed at a place called Bergstorm Motor Co in Santa Cruz.
Then there is a big gap until 8/31/87 when "an original MERCEDES BENZ
exchange engine" was installed. It has the mileage listed at 149,028. The
odometer shows 375K right now (but it is no working, of course).
Interesting.
So today I changed the oil and did the front brakes. When I was retracting
the inside piston on the drivers side, I got a few drips of brake fluid
out. So, can these calipers be rebuilt?

Next day off will be rebuilding calipers (if possible), renew brake fluid,
flush/fill coolant, exhaust donuts, manual transmission fluid renew (if I
can get the fill plug out), and the rear diff (ditto fill plug).

What else should be done to establish a baseline for this car? Also, is it
creepy to try to contact the former owners of this car?

Bob R
1980 240D 4 SPD 375K ?
2005 320E 123K
2006 Jetta TDI 145K
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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I agree. Shortly after I bought my 220D in 1997 I contacted the original owner. 
I discovered that the car had logged over 700,000 miles!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2012, at 6:44 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

Not creepy to contact former owners; 'may be more productive for you if you're 
quick to say that you want to thank and commend them for taking such good care 
of it so that you can now enjoy it.
'May help also to say that you're merely trying to gather as much of its 
history as you can in order for you to better understand the car and prolong 
its life even more.
They may be very pleased to hear what has happened to it and happy to know it's 
still in service.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Bob Rentfro" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries


So...opened the trunk for the first time this morning (now that I got the
correct key from Rusty) and there was a car cover, a Honda jack, the
correct jack on lug wrench...anyone have one?) , a spare holding air, a
large chain guide (new) and a stack of owners/maintenance manuals. Looks
like this car started its life in Santa Cruz, CA (first owners Joshua and
Eliza Baer).  Pretty impeccable service records kept until 79K miles
(5/1983) all performed at a place called Bergstorm Motor Co in Santa Cruz.
Then there is a big gap until 8/31/87 when "an original MERCEDES BENZ
exchange engine" was installed. It has the mileage listed at 149,028. The
odometer shows 375K right now (but it is no working, of course).
Interesting.
So today I changed the oil and did the front brakes. When I was retracting
the inside piston on the drivers side, I got a few drips of brake fluid
out. So, can these calipers be rebuilt?

Next day off will be rebuilding calipers (if possible), renew brake fluid,
flush/fill coolant, exhaust donuts, manual transmission fluid renew (if I
can get the fill plug out), and the rear diff (ditto fill plug).

What else should be done to establish a baseline for this car? Also, is it
creepy to try to contact the former owners of this car?

Bob R
1980 240D 4 SPD 375K ?
2005 320E 123K
2006 Jetta TDI 145K
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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[WILTON]

Not creepy to contact former owners; 'may be more productive for you if 
you're quick to say that you want to thank and commend them for taking such 
good care of it so that you can now enjoy it.
'May help also to say that you're merely trying to gather as much of its 
history as you can in order for you to better understand the car and prolong 
its life even more.
They may be very pleased to hear what has happened to it and happy to know 
it's still in service.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Rentfro" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries



So...opened the trunk for the first time this morning (now that I got the
correct key from Rusty) and there was a car cover, a Honda jack, the
correct jack on lug wrench...anyone have one?) , a spare holding air, a
large chain guide (new) and a stack of owners/maintenance manuals. Looks
like this car started its life in Santa Cruz, CA (first owners Joshua and
Eliza Baer).  Pretty impeccable service records kept until 79K miles
(5/1983) all performed at a place called Bergstorm Motor Co in Santa Cruz.
Then there is a big gap until 8/31/87 when "an original MERCEDES BENZ
exchange engine" was installed. It has the mileage listed at 149,028. The
odometer shows 375K right now (but it is no working, of course).
Interesting.
So today I changed the oil and did the front brakes. When I was retracting
the inside piston on the drivers side, I got a few drips of brake fluid
out. So, can these calipers be rebuilt?

Next day off will be rebuilding calipers (if possible), renew brake fluid,
flush/fill coolant, exhaust donuts, manual transmission fluid renew (if I
can get the fill plug out), and the rear diff (ditto fill plug).

What else should be done to establish a baseline for this car? Also, is it
creepy to try to contact the former owners of this car?

Bob R
1980 240D 4 SPD 375K ?
2005 320E 123K
2006 Jetta TDI 145K
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Re: [MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Dan Penoff]

No rebuilding of calipers. It's not cost effective, nor is it safe to do.

Buy a pair of remains from Rusty and be done with it.

Dan

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On Oct 29, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> So...opened the trunk for the first time this morning (now that I got the
> correct key from Rusty) and there was a car cover, a Honda jack, the
> correct jack on lug wrench...anyone have one?) , a spare holding air, a
> large chain guide (new) and a stack of owners/maintenance manuals. Looks
> like this car started its life in Santa Cruz, CA (first owners Joshua and
> Eliza Baer).  Pretty impeccable service records kept until 79K miles
> (5/1983) all performed at a place called Bergstorm Motor Co in Santa Cruz.
> Then there is a big gap until 8/31/87 when "an original MERCEDES BENZ
> exchange engine" was installed. It has the mileage listed at 149,028. The
> odometer shows 375K right now (but it is no working, of course).
> Interesting.
> So today I changed the oil and did the front brakes. When I was retracting
> the inside piston on the drivers side, I got a few drips of brake fluid
> out. So, can these calipers be rebuilt?
> 
> Next day off will be rebuilding calipers (if possible), renew brake fluid,
> flush/fill coolant, exhaust donuts, manual transmission fluid renew (if I
> can get the fill plug out), and the rear diff (ditto fill plug).
> 
> What else should be done to establish a baseline for this car? Also, is it
> creepy to try to contact the former owners of this car?
> 
> Bob R
> 1980 240D 4 SPD 375K ?
> 2005 320E 123K
> 2006 Jetta TDI 145K
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[MBZ] My Beater 240D Discoveries

[Bob Rentfro]

So...opened the trunk for the first time this morning (now that I got the
correct key from Rusty) and there was a car cover, a Honda jack, the
correct jack on lug wrench...anyone have one?) , a spare holding air, a
large chain guide (new) and a stack of owners/maintenance manuals. Looks
like this car started its life in Santa Cruz, CA (first owners Joshua and
Eliza Baer).  Pretty impeccable service records kept until 79K miles
(5/1983) all performed at a place called Bergstorm Motor Co in Santa Cruz.
Then there is a big gap until 8/31/87 when "an original MERCEDES BENZ
exchange engine" was installed. It has the mileage listed at 149,028. The
odometer shows 375K right now (but it is no working, of course).
Interesting.
So today I changed the oil and did the front brakes. When I was retracting
the inside piston on the drivers side, I got a few drips of brake fluid
out. So, can these calipers be rebuilt?

Next day off will be rebuilding calipers (if possible), renew brake fluid,
flush/fill coolant, exhaust donuts, manual transmission fluid renew (if I
can get the fill plug out), and the rear diff (ditto fill plug).

What else should be done to establish a baseline for this car? Also, is it
creepy to try to contact the former owners of this car?

Bob R
1980 240D 4 SPD 375K ?
2005 320E 123K
2006 Jetta TDI 145K
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Re: [MBZ] W123 MPG

[Craig]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:02:34 + (UTC) dbl...@comcast.net wrote:

> I get 28 to 29 MPG on my mixed freeway/city commute in my '77 240D.
> (1979 drivetrain, AC removed) The way I drive it, I am surprised there
> is no hole in the carpet under the accelerator.

We generally get 23 MPG with our naturally aspirated 240D/3.0 here at an
elevation of 7400 feet.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Rich Thomas]

Interestingly enough, I did not notice, nor did anyone else I know. 
Makes one wonder...


No, correct that, my niece who works for A Government Agency had the day 
off, was well-provisioned for the blow, and started early.  Have not 
heard from the boy, he probably spent the day studying anyway.


--R

On 10/29/12 3:45 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

The Fed govt and private sector are all closed today in DC.



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Re: [MBZ] W123 MPG

[dblidd]

I get 28 to 29 MPG on my mixed freeway/city commute in my '77 240D. (1979 
drivetrain, AC removed) 
The way I drive it, I am surprised there is no hole in the carpet under the 
accelerator.

David Liddell

> --
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:46:49 -0400
> From: andrew strasfogel 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 MPG
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> My 1983 and 1985 CA version 300TD wagon each get about 20 mpg around
> town. Why?
> 
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Gerry Archer
>  wrote:
> > 27 mpg road and city, both cars, '83 300D and '83 240D.
> > Gerry
> >
> > From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 
> >>
> >> 240D - 30mpg highway.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Michael Canfield 
> >> wrote:
> >
> > What MPG do you guys that still drive W123 chassis cars get?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >
> >
> >> On Oct 26, 2012 10:05 PM, "Michael Canfield" 
> >> wrote:
> >> I love my 83 300d! Just got back from a trip to Rochester and back.
> >> 160
> >> gps miles, 5.35 gallons of fuel comes to 29.9mpg driving like I
> >> stole it.
> >> It has NA gears in the rear so it comes off the line pretty well
> >> but
> >> really
> >> turns some rpm's(tach doesn't work) at 75 and 80mph but runs along
> >> smooth
> >> as can be at that speed.
> >> Gotta do a valve adjustment and general checkover to get ready for
> >> an
> >> 1800 mile trip to Parris Island to pick up my son after boot camp.
> >> So, 60
> >> gallons or so of veggie oil should get me there and back. That's
> >> about $5
> >> worth of filtering and 1 hour of my time to process the fuel. And,
> >> I get
> >> to drive one of the finest cars ever madegotta love it!
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>

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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Rich Thomas]

Address?

--R

On 10/29/12 5:09 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

In a minute I'm going to roast a chicken for dinner, bake bread and cook some 
turkey cutlets for lunch tomorrow.

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Randy Bennell]

Remind me where you folks are.

Randy

On 29/10/2012 4:09 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Things are just starting to ramp up as darkness falls. The rain is getting 
serious and the wind is starting to gust. I'm not seriously worried, we get 
some pretty good wind anyway.
I bought a gallon of camp fuel, I usually keep 2 gallons on hand so this is 
just a backup, I've got 3 gallons of kerosene, 1 gallon of mix gas for the 
generator and a half dozen 1# cans of propane plus 3 gallons for the grill. I 
put the battery charger on my 110ah battery that will run lights and laptops, 
it was charged, which reminds me I should put it on my spare group 49 battery, 
suspenders and belt after all.
The woodstove is lit, the wood room is about 3/4 full, the outside rack has a 
half cord under a tarp.

In a minute I'm going to roast a chicken for dinner, bake bread and cook some 
turkey cutlets for lunch tomorrow.

-Curt





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Re: [MBZ] Oil changes

[RELNGSON]

> ...Are the museum cars expected to be able to be driven over 50 miles at 
> the
> turn of the key? (I don't know - asking). FYI - lack of frequent use is 
> one
> of the higher wear/risk factors for private aircraft...
> 
I doubt it but the fifty mile example applies to my car since I want the 
oil temp up as high as possible. It doesn't have an oil temp gauge but I can 
tell pretty well by the oil pressure at a hot idle.

As to aircraft engines, very few are kept in climate controlled storage and 
just sit out in the weather. But, when they are used, as you know the oil 
temp gauge comes up pretty fast and if it runs for an hour or two I think any 
condensation will be gone.

When a pilot pays by Hobbs meter, the engine is run at the top of the green 
which means EGT and oil temps are watched carefully. And the higher you fly 
the hotter it gets.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Max Dillon]

Wish more Americans were like you, I suspect in that part of the country the 
majority are.

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Curt Raymond  wrote:

>Things are just starting to ramp up as darkness falls. The rain is
>getting serious and the wind is starting to gust. I'm not seriously
>worried, we get some pretty good wind anyway.
>I bought a gallon of camp fuel, I usually keep 2 gallons on hand so
>this is just a backup, I've got 3 gallons of kerosene, 1 gallon of mix
>gas for the generator and a half dozen 1# cans of propane plus 3
>gallons for the grill. I put the battery charger on my 110ah battery
>that will run lights and laptops, it was charged, which reminds me I
>should put it on my spare group 49 battery, suspenders and belt after
>all. 
>The woodstove is lit, the wood room is about 3/4 full, the outside rack
>has a half cord under a tarp.
>
>In a minute I'm going to roast a chicken for dinner, bake bread and
>cook some turkey cutlets for lunch tomorrow.
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 09:57:24 -0600
>From: Craig 
>To: mercedes 
>Subject: [MBZ] Sandy
>Message-ID: <20121028095724.977191614fed500572fe6...@pisquared.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>How are you all over on the east coast doing? What kind of preparations
>have you made?
>
>
>Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Max Dillon]

If you don't make it, I call first dibs in your wagon.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

andrew strasfogel  wrote:

>The Fed govt and private sector are all closed today in DC.  The only
>people working are letter carriers and grocery store personnel who
>drive.  Metro rail and buses are all taking a holiday.   Winds are
>starting to get seriously gusty (we lost our power for 15 minutes),
>rain has accumulated to 3.5" since last night at 6 PM when it started
>to rain. You could go waterskiing in our back yard (in a small boat).
>We expect another 24 hours of this as the storm slows down on its way
>W and then N.  Armageddon is probably benign by comparison.
>
>On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski 
>wrote:
>> We're ready here in Northern NJ... I think we're going to make out
>ok.
>>  Seems like the southern part of the state and delaware will get hit
>much
>> worse:
>>
>> http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/zoom/Rainfall_Days_1-5.gif
>>
>> I closed our office for tomorrow and maybe Tuesday.  The forecasted
>wind
>> gusts up to 70mph is the biggest concern at this point.
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Craig 
>wrote:
>>
>>> How are you all over on the east coast doing? What kind of
>preparations
>>> have you made?
>>>
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Curt Raymond]

Things are just starting to ramp up as darkness falls. The rain is getting 
serious and the wind is starting to gust. I'm not seriously worried, we get 
some pretty good wind anyway.
I bought a gallon of camp fuel, I usually keep 2 gallons on hand so this is 
just a backup, I've got 3 gallons of kerosene, 1 gallon of mix gas for the 
generator and a half dozen 1# cans of propane plus 3 gallons for the grill. I 
put the battery charger on my 110ah battery that will run lights and laptops, 
it was charged, which reminds me I should put it on my spare group 49 battery, 
suspenders and belt after all. 
The woodstove is lit, the wood room is about 3/4 full, the outside rack has a 
half cord under a tarp.

In a minute I'm going to roast a chicken for dinner, bake bread and cook some 
turkey cutlets for lunch tomorrow.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 09:57:24 -0600
From: Craig 
To: mercedes 
Subject: [MBZ] Sandy
Message-ID: <20121028095724.977191614fed500572fe6...@pisquared.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

How are you all over on the east coast doing? What kind of preparations
have you made?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W123 MPG

[Curt Raymond]

My 240D rolling average is 28mpg over 120,000 miles in 2 cars.

The '78 240D gets 28mpg average pretty much no matter what, it'll be 
interesting to see it go down a bit with bio-diesel and it'll go down to maybe 
26mpg if I hold it to 85mph all day but otherwise 28mpg. I got my '83 240D as 
high as 32mpg at 60mph highway runs. Never had to opportunity to take it a 
really long distance, I always thought it might have made 35mpg if I could have 
run it at 60mph for a full tank of fuel.

My '84 190D 2.2l auto will easily do 40mpg if I take it easy, otherwise it 
averages a solid 38mpg. The newer 60x engines are more efficient, the car is 
smaller, lighter and has a lower co-efficeient of drag.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 09:45:34 -0400
From: Michael Canfield 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 MPG
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What MPG do you guys that still drive W123 chassis cars get?

Mike
On Oct 26, 2012 10:05 PM, "Michael Canfield"  wrote:

> I love my 83 300d!  Just got back from a trip to Rochester and back.  160
> gps miles, 5.35 gallons of fuel comes to 29.9mpg driving like I stole it.
> It has NA gears in the rear so it comes off the line pretty well but really
> turns some rpm's(tach doesn't work) at 75 and 80mph but runs along smooth
> as can be at that speed.
>   Gotta do a valve adjustment and general checkover to get ready for an
> 1800 mile trip to Parris Island to pick up my son after boot camp.  So, 60
> gallons or so of veggie oil should get me there and back.  That's about $5
> worth of filtering and 1 hour of my time to process the fuel.  And, I get
> to drive one of the finest cars ever madegotta love it!
>
> Mike

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Re: [MBZ] Glows

[Curt Raymond]

What year? 617 engine? I did glows on my '81 300TD without removing anything. 
Its dammed fiddly but can be done.

AFAIK no light = no glow at least at first, at some point the light goes out 
even though glowing may continue.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 03:26:44 -0500
From: Hans Neureiter 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] Glows
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

My old 300SD became hesitant to start lately. Lots of smoke for the first
minute or so.
No Preglow light. Tested the plugs and found #1 dead.
I attempted to change all the plugs but gave up after #1 (Light comes on
again).
I removed the fuel lines between the delivery valves and injectors but
could not figure out how to reach #5 plug. Coolant return line from heater
and filter housing in the way.
Two questions:
Is it possible to replace #4 & 5 plugs without removing the obstructions?
Does the preglow system work in spite of no indicator lght?

-- 
Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX
'82 300SD
'01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI

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Re: [MBZ] oil changes based on time

[Curt Raymond]

No its a gas car with a belly full of acid. Whats wrong with soot?

-Curt

Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:34:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: relng...@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] oil changes based on time
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> ...So what you are saying is that if you start driving this car, you 
> would change the oil?..
> 
When I drive the car, it is never less than fifty miles and it isn't driven 
at all during the cold months. Your theory was that even with not driving 
it, the oil should be dumped annually and then I referred to all the Museum 
cars that likely never get an oil change based on time.

This car is not a diesel with a crankcase full of soot and there is a 
difference.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] Two 240D questions

[Craig]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:04:08 -0500 OK Don  wrote:

> Just be certain that you can remove the fill plug before removing the
> drain plug!

Excellent point! I forgot about that.


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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[WILTON]

'Sounds like what we've had a lot of previously, but very benign here this 
time; 'hope all goes well - nobody hurt, etc.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Jon Agne" 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sandy


In Kew Gardens...Queens, NY.wind is now gusting 60+ and the top of a 
huge 100 year old oak just broke off at the 30' level and crushed a 
Hyundai next door.  more to follow.



On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:45 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


The Fed govt and private sector are all closed today in DC.  The only
people working are letter carriers and grocery store personnel who
drive.  Metro rail and buses are all taking a holiday.   Winds are
starting to get seriously gusty (we lost our power for 15 minutes),
rain has accumulated to 3.5" since last night at 6 PM when it started
to rain. You could go waterskiing in our back yard (in a small boat).
We expect another 24 hours of this as the storm slows down on its way
W and then N.  Armageddon is probably benign by comparison.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  
wrote:

We're ready here in Northern NJ... I think we're going to make out ok.
Seems like the southern part of the state and delaware will get hit much
worse:

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/zoom/Rainfall_Days_1-5.gif

I closed our office for tomorrow and maybe Tuesday.  The forecasted wind
gusts up to 70mph is the biggest concern at this point.

Jaime


On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Craig  wrote:


How are you all over on the east coast doing? What kind of preparations
have you made?


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Re: [MBZ] Two 240D questions

[OK Don]

Just be certain that you can remove the fill plug before removing the drain
plug!

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:00:19 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>
> > So how much ATF does it take to do a change out of a manual
> > transmission?
>
> Not much compared to an automatic transmission. 2 or 3 quarts, IIRC,
> which I may not. As I mentioned earlier, my books are packed up in a
> storage container on our driveway.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Thirsty Pilot

[OK Don]

Plywood and fabric is not necessarily a bad thing (Spitfire?) but the rest
is highly suspect. Sounds like one of those planes that give experiment and
home built planes a bad reputation. It definitely didn't get passed by a
DAR. If it was under the ultralight weight limit, it was possibly legal.
Indeed - Darwinism in action!

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> " The FAA inspector conducted an examination of the airplane and reported
> that the aircraft was constructed primarily of plywood and fabric. The seat
> belts were out of a Chevy van and were held together with wooden screws.
> The shoulder harnesses were backpack straps. There was a coffee can welded
> to the exhaust with holes poked in it."
>
> Design by Darwin!
>
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>> http://aircrashed.com/cause/**cLAX98LA190.shtml
>>
>> You might be a redneck if...
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Re: [MBZ] oil changes based on time

[OK Don]

Are the museum cars expected to be able to be driven over 50 miles at the
turn of the key? (I don't know - asking). FYI - lack of frequent use is one
of the higher wear/risk factors for private aircraft.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM,  wrote:

> > ...So what you are saying is that if you start driving this car, you
> > would change the oil?..
> >
> When I drive the car, it is never less than fifty miles and it isn't driven
> at all during the cold months. Your theory was that even with not driving
> it, the oil should be dumped annually and then I referred to all the Museum
> cars that likely never get an oil change based on time.
>
> This car is not a diesel with a crankcase full of soot and there is a
> difference.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Jon Agne]

In Kew Gardens...Queens, NY.wind is now gusting 60+ and the top of a huge 
100 year old oak just broke off at the 30' level and crushed a Hyundai next 
door.  more to follow.


On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:45 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> The Fed govt and private sector are all closed today in DC.  The only
> people working are letter carriers and grocery store personnel who
> drive.  Metro rail and buses are all taking a holiday.   Winds are
> starting to get seriously gusty (we lost our power for 15 minutes),
> rain has accumulated to 3.5" since last night at 6 PM when it started
> to rain. You could go waterskiing in our back yard (in a small boat).
> We expect another 24 hours of this as the storm slows down on its way
> W and then N.  Armageddon is probably benign by comparison.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
>> We're ready here in Northern NJ... I think we're going to make out ok.
>> Seems like the southern part of the state and delaware will get hit much
>> worse:
>> 
>> http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/zoom/Rainfall_Days_1-5.gif
>> 
>> I closed our office for tomorrow and maybe Tuesday.  The forecasted wind
>> gusts up to 70mph is the biggest concern at this point.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Craig  wrote:
>> 
>>> How are you all over on the east coast doing? What kind of preparations
>>> have you made?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[Randy Bennell]

Keep those hatches battened down.
Hope you have lots of supplies on hand so you don't have to go out.

Randy

On 29/10/2012 2:45 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

The Fed govt and private sector are all closed today in DC.  The only
people working are letter carriers and grocery store personnel who
drive.  Metro rail and buses are all taking a holiday.   Winds are
starting to get seriously gusty (we lost our power for 15 minutes),
rain has accumulated to 3.5" since last night at 6 PM when it started
to rain. You could go waterskiing in our back yard (in a small boat).
We expect another 24 hours of this as the storm slows down on its way
W and then N.  Armageddon is probably benign by comparison.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

We're ready here in Northern NJ... I think we're going to make out ok.
  Seems like the southern part of the state and delaware will get hit much
worse:

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/zoom/Rainfall_Days_1-5.gif

I closed our office for tomorrow and maybe Tuesday.  The forecasted wind
gusts up to 70mph is the biggest concern at this point.

Jaime


On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Craig  wrote:


How are you all over on the east coast doing? What kind of preparations
have you made?


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Re: [MBZ] W123 MPG

[andrew strasfogel]

My 1983 and 1985 CA version 300TD wagon each get about 20 mpg around town.  Why?

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Gerry Archer  wrote:
> 27 mpg road and city, both cars, '83 300D and '83 240D.
> Gerry
>
> From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 
>>
>> 240D - 30mpg highway.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Michael Canfield  wrote:
>
> What MPG do you guys that still drive W123 chassis cars get?
>>
>> Mike
>
>
>> On Oct 26, 2012 10:05 PM, "Michael Canfield"  wrote:
>> I love my 83 300d!  Just got back from a trip to Rochester and back.  160
>> gps miles, 5.35 gallons of fuel comes to 29.9mpg driving like I stole it.
>> It has NA gears in the rear so it comes off the line pretty well but
>> really
>> turns some rpm's(tach doesn't work) at 75 and 80mph but runs along smooth
>> as can be at that speed.
>> Gotta do a valve adjustment and general checkover to get ready for an
>> 1800 mile trip to Parris Island to pick up my son after boot camp.  So, 60
>> gallons or so of veggie oil should get me there and back.  That's about $5
>> worth of filtering and 1 hour of my time to process the fuel.  And, I get
>> to drive one of the finest cars ever madegotta love it!
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Sandy

[andrew strasfogel]

The Fed govt and private sector are all closed today in DC.  The only
people working are letter carriers and grocery store personnel who
drive.  Metro rail and buses are all taking a holiday.   Winds are
starting to get seriously gusty (we lost our power for 15 minutes),
rain has accumulated to 3.5" since last night at 6 PM when it started
to rain. You could go waterskiing in our back yard (in a small boat).
We expect another 24 hours of this as the storm slows down on its way
W and then N.  Armageddon is probably benign by comparison.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
> We're ready here in Northern NJ... I think we're going to make out ok.
>  Seems like the southern part of the state and delaware will get hit much
> worse:
>
> http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/zoom/Rainfall_Days_1-5.gif
>
> I closed our office for tomorrow and maybe Tuesday.  The forecasted wind
> gusts up to 70mph is the biggest concern at this point.
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Craig  wrote:
>
>> How are you all over on the east coast doing? What kind of preparations
>> have you made?
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 115 speakers

[Randy Bennell]

On 29/10/2012 2:24 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
I think those are original.  The 300D was a big splash back in 1976. 
The was the first "lesser class" car to have stereo etc from MB. Some 
of the 600s may have had stereo, and maybe early 70s SELs.  But the 76 
was the first MB Diesel mit factory stereo in the NA market



My 76 300D has speakers mounted on the kick panels on both sides in 
the front. The box is black and maybe 4" square.


I had assumed they were original but maybe not.

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Re: [MBZ] 115 speakers

[Dan Penoff]

Nope. Only OEM speakers in that car were in the dash, I'm almost sure.

Dan

On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> My 76 300D has speakers mounted on the kick panels on both sides in the 
> front. The box is black and maybe 4" square.
> 
> I had assumed they were original but maybe not.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 115 speakers

[Dieselhead]

I think those are original.  The 300D was a big splash back in 1976. 
The was the first "lesser class" car to have stereo etc from MB. 
Some of the 600s may have had stereo, and maybe early 70s SELs.  But 
the 76 was the first MB Diesel mit factory stereo in the NA market



My 76 300D has speakers mounted on the kick panels on both sides in 
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I had assumed they were original but maybe not.

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Re: [MBZ] 115 speakers

[Randy Bennell]

My 76 300D has speakers mounted on the kick panels on both sides in the 
front. The box is black and maybe 4" square.


I had assumed they were original but maybe not.

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Re: [MBZ] Two 240D questions

[Craig]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:00:19 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> So how much ATF does it take to do a change out of a manual
> transmission?

Not much compared to an automatic transmission. 2 or 3 quarts, IIRC,
which I may not. As I mentioned earlier, my books are packed up in a
storage container on our driveway.


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Re: [MBZ] hot topic?

[Tim C]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:38 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
> Those speakers are unobtanium.  I spent three years trying to source a new 
> speaker with no joy.  Found replacements in PnP cars.  I have a few on the 
> shelf.

PO in my 115 built a metal speaker mount for a 4" or 5", it worked pretty well.

Best,
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Re: [MBZ] Two 240D questions

[Bob Rentfro]

So how much ATF does it take to do a change out of a manual transmission?

Bob R
On Oct 29, 2012 10:45 AM, "Craig"  wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:28:35 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>
> > Danke
>
> Bitte.
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 2012 10:17 AM, "Craig"  wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:09:40 -0700 Bob Rentfro 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > How many dot brake fluid is correct and what do I do with a manual
> > > > transmission as far as a service goes?
> > >
> > > DOT 4. I usually buy it from Rusty.
> > >
> > > The manual transmission in a Mercedes DOES NOT use gear oil -- it uses
> > > ATF! If you put gear oil in a Mercedes manual transmission, you will
> > > ruin it, not only because it will get improper lubrication, but
> > > because the sulfur in the gear oil will attack the metal of the
> > > synchros.
> > >
> > > IIRC, a Dexron II or III product will work, but I have used Mobil1
> > > ATF.
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Two 240D questions

[Craig]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:28:35 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> Danke

Bitte.


> On Oct 29, 2012 10:17 AM, "Craig"  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:09:40 -0700 Bob Rentfro 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > How many dot brake fluid is correct and what do I do with a manual
> > > transmission as far as a service goes?
> >
> > DOT 4. I usually buy it from Rusty.
> >
> > The manual transmission in a Mercedes DOES NOT use gear oil -- it uses
> > ATF! If you put gear oil in a Mercedes manual transmission, you will
> > ruin it, not only because it will get improper lubrication, but
> > because the sulfur in the gear oil will attack the metal of the
> > synchros.
> >
> > IIRC, a Dexron II or III product will work, but I have used Mobil1
> > ATF.
> >
> >
> > Craig
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'94 E420Oskar  127 kmi (awaiting parting out)
'82 240D/3.0Bluebell   267 kmi
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'72 220/8
'64 190Dc   Emma
'72 220D/8  Herman 186 kmi

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Re: [MBZ] Two 240D questions

[Bob Rentfro]

Danke
On Oct 29, 2012 10:17 AM, "Craig"  wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:09:40 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>
> > How many dot brake fluid is correct and what do I do with a manual
> > transmission as far as a service goes?
>
> DOT 4. I usually buy it from Rusty.
>
> The manual transmission in a Mercedes DOES NOT use gear oil -- it uses
> ATF! If you put gear oil in a Mercedes manual transmission, you will ruin
> it, not only because it will get improper lubrication, but because the
> sulfur in the gear oil will attack the metal of the synchros.
>
> IIRC, a Dexron II or III product will work, but I have used Mobil1 ATF.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Two 240D questions

[Craig]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 10:09:40 -0700 Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> How many dot brake fluid is correct and what do I do with a manual
> transmission as far as a service goes?

DOT 4. I usually buy it from Rusty.

The manual transmission in a Mercedes DOES NOT use gear oil -- it uses
ATF! If you put gear oil in a Mercedes manual transmission, you will ruin
it, not only because it will get improper lubrication, but because the
sulfur in the gear oil will attack the metal of the synchros.

IIRC, a Dexron II or III product will work, but I have used Mobil1 ATF.


Craig

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[MBZ] Two 240D questions

[Bob Rentfro]

How many dot brake fluid is correct and what do I do with a manual
transmission as far as a service goes?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Starting my 240D With a Wire

[Randy Bennell]

We did that with a Honda Civic that my s-in-l drove at one time years ago.

The ignition switch was part of an assembly that included the lights and 
wipers etc and as such was expensive and a pain to change out in a car 
that was not worth much.
We wired in a pushbutton. The ignition switch still turned the car on 
and off but the start contacts were worn so it worked fine. Turn the key 
on to the normal run position and push the button.


Randy


On 28/10/2012 12:50 PM, OK Don wrote:

BTDT - my kids loved the doorbell push button starting so much that they
begged me NOT to fix the ignition switch! We ended up with them in a 240D,
190D, and 300D 2.5T.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


My 240D went through a few years of intermittent no-juicy-no-starty. I ran
a hot wire from the fuse block into the dash, put a intermittent pushbutton
switch on the lower-left dash near the door. The other side of the switch
was run directly to the small terminal in the starter.

At the time, no one had heard of the ign switch electrics ever wearing
out.  So I ran several years with the push button.  When it didn't start
with the key, I'd hit the pushbutton and it took right up.  I eventually
figured out it was the switch, and replaced it, and never needed the
pushbutton after that.

The ign switch does wear out sometimes, especially in 25+ year old Diesels
with lots of start cycles.



  






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Re: [MBZ] WAS OT Thirsty Pilot - NOW boat

[Randy Bennell]

The bit about the FAA inspector's findings reminded me of this from a 
boating forum that I read.


Randy


"I drove up stream a bit to a small dirt landing, hand lauched the boat 
and went about fishing for several hours. After a bit I decided to head 
up stream and try for some crabs, a ways upstream we run across and old 
man in an old, raggedy Renken trihull, with an OMC I/O set up. He was 
tossing the anchor and retreiving rope.
I circled back and asked if I could help, he went on to explain that his 
motor died and he couldn't get it started. He had been out all morning 
and was only 1/4 of the way back to the ramp.
I offered to help and he said I was welcome to try but he gave up hours 
ago.
To my surprise, the dog box was made of T111 siding, and about 3' taller 
than normal. He proceeded to show me how the top of the box folds back 
on hinges to expose the engine. (There were no gauges or controls on the 
dash other than several toggle switches. The boat had bench seats 
installed over a plain plywood deck. The seats were screwed in from each 
side right through the glass hull. He said he didn't have a starter, and 
when I flipped the home made cover back I saw why...
The original inline four cylinder motor was gutted, all but the oil pan 
and block were gone. On top of the block where the cylinder head used to 
reside was a steel plate, with a cast iron Wisconsin cement mixer motor 
bolted on top of the original engine. There was what looked like a 
motorcycle chain going from the air cooled engine up top down to a 
sprocket welded to the original crankshaft. The oil pan was filled to 
the edge, and he made a sheet metal funnel to keep the oil in the pan as 
the chain turned. The added on motor has no recoil, only a rope sheave. 
I gave it a few pulls and it didn't feel healthy inside.
I told the guy something broke inside, and that I'd try to tow him to 
the dock"


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Re: [MBZ] OT Thirsty Pilot

[G Mann]

Good flight planning... always crash close to a bar... if you live, you
need a good stiff drink.. if you don't, the wake can get started early...

Now,, why didn't I think of that..  looking on sectional chart for
liquor license symbol... h... there is none.

Have to bring that to FAA attention.

Grant...

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> " The FAA inspector conducted an examination of the airplane and reported
> that the aircraft was constructed primarily of plywood and fabric. The seat
> belts were out of a Chevy van and were held together with wooden screws.
> The shoulder harnesses were backpack straps. There was a coffee can welded
> to the exhaust with holes poked in it."
>
> Design by Darwin!
>
> --R
>
> On 10/28/12 8:52 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
>
>> http://aircrashed.com/cause/**cLAX98LA190.shtml
>>
>> You might be a redneck if...
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Glows

[Rich Thomas]

Get a ratcheting wrench (GearWrench) to get those GPs out.  It is fiddly 
and you will scrape your fingers but it is doable but Not Fun.


--R

On 10/29/12 9:21 AM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

Long time ago, but I changed mine (82 300SD) without removing any coolant
lines, as I recall.  Also be sure to clean out the carbon in the hole before
installing new glow plugs.

The glow control may (or may not) be working without the light.  The light
is for the driver and is somewhat independent of the voltage to the glow
plugs.  An inop light usually means something wrong with one or more glow
plugs.  You did check the fusible link in the glow box on the left inside
fender?  Hairline cracks in that link can be hard to see until you loosen
one of the screws (and half of the fuse falls off).

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Hans Neureiter
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:27 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Glows

My old 300SD became hesitant to start lately. Lots of smoke for the first
minute or so.
No Preglow light. Tested the plugs and found #1 dead.
I attempted to change all the plugs but gave up after #1 (Light comes on
again).
I removed the fuel lines between the delivery valves and injectors but
could not figure out how to reach #5 plug. Coolant return line from heater
and filter housing in the way.
Two questions:
Is it possible to replace #4 & 5 plugs without removing the obstructions?
Does the preglow system work in spite of no indicator lght?




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Re: [MBZ] Glows

[Scott Ritchey]

Long time ago, but I changed mine (82 300SD) without removing any coolant
lines, as I recall.  Also be sure to clean out the carbon in the hole before
installing new glow plugs.

The glow control may (or may not) be working without the light.  The light
is for the driver and is somewhat independent of the voltage to the glow
plugs.  An inop light usually means something wrong with one or more glow
plugs.  You did check the fusible link in the glow box on the left inside
fender?  Hairline cracks in that link can be hard to see until you loosen
one of the screws (and half of the fuse falls off).  

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Hans Neureiter
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:27 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Glows

My old 300SD became hesitant to start lately. Lots of smoke for the first
minute or so.
No Preglow light. Tested the plugs and found #1 dead.
I attempted to change all the plugs but gave up after #1 (Light comes on
again).
I removed the fuel lines between the delivery valves and injectors but
could not figure out how to reach #5 plug. Coolant return line from heater
and filter housing in the way.
Two questions:
Is it possible to replace #4 & 5 plugs without removing the obstructions?
Does the preglow system work in spite of no indicator lght?

-- 
Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX
'82 300SD
'01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI
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[MBZ] Glows

[Hans Neureiter]

My old 300SD became hesitant to start lately. Lots of smoke for the first
minute or so.
No Preglow light. Tested the plugs and found #1 dead.
I attempted to change all the plugs but gave up after #1 (Light comes on
again).
I removed the fuel lines between the delivery valves and injectors but
could not figure out how to reach #5 plug. Coolant return line from heater
and filter housing in the way.
Two questions:
Is it possible to replace #4 & 5 plugs without removing the obstructions?
Does the preglow system work in spite of no indicator lght?

-- 
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'82 300SD
'01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI
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