date:20130122

Grey with a pinstripe.  Rust in the door dent and front quarter on the
exterior where paint was removed in the collision.  Paint is horrible BTW,
clear coat peeled miserably.  I always had in mind to replace the quarter
and door from the junkyard and then repaint, but never got to it.

300K, maybe?  Been a while.  May also not be accurate, it exceeded 8 years
so the seller didn't certify.  I have oil logs through 230K give or take.

#22 head.  I have not checked the VIN on the block (not even sure where it
is) so I don't know if that is the original.  I have no idea when the head
was changed, nor did the PO.

I get the idea it was very well cared for until the PO got hold of it, and
then obviously I've let it sit since the freeze plug broke.  When it was
running I never had any issues with power, but then my 300D may have warped
my perspective there.

Thanks,
Tim


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote:

 Tempting.  Color?  Any rust?  Miles on the car?  Original head?
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

 Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 ...project car, in Durham NC.
 
 It's not that bad - as far as I know, all it /has/ to have is the
 freeze
 plug*.  Also could do with the cooling fan coupler (have a proper new
 one
 I'll include, along with a bunch of other seals etc.).  Has a salvage
 title, a big dent in the driver's door, and a cracked windshield.  No
 A/C -
 components are missing, does have an R134 compressor but no plumbing.
 Heat
 is fine.
 
 * Catch is that the freeze plug is behind the injection pump, and while
 you
 can fit screwdrivers and crowbars in I haven't found a way to get good
 enough grip on the plug to pull it out.  I started to pull everything
 to
 try to reach it, but basically you have to tear all the accessories out
 just to remove the IP - so it is a very long process, and so far I
 haven't
 come up with the time, or money to pay someone else to do it.  Exhaust
 manifold is off for the purchaser's convenience.
 
 It has exceeded my project timeline, i.e. it has been sitting in the
 driveway for 12 months (actually almost 18, i.e. since my younger son
 was
 born).  Tires were new when I parked it and it's been moved a few
 times, so
 there's a chance they are still okay.  Battery was recently replaced
 with a
 bad one from the 300D.
 
 Probably I'd be driving it if it had broken three months earlier, but
 ...
 such is life. :)
 
 I am thinking $800?
 
 Thanks,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] pagoda sidemarker delete project

2013-01-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

Another dangerous do gooder who must be stopped!

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 So as ya'll know, a friend in DC helped me replace my 240D timing chain this 
 past weekend.  In exchange, I helped him with some bodywork on his pagoda.  
 Check it out here:

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Re: [MBZ] pagoda sidemarker delete project

Aargh!  

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another dangerous do gooder who must be stopped!
 
 On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 So as ya'll know, a friend in DC helped me replace my 240D timing chain this 
 past weekend.  In exchange, I helped him with some bodywork on his pagoda.  
 Check it out here:
 
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Re: [MBZ] pagoda sidemarker delete project

2013-01-22 Thread Mitch Haley


Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Another dangerous do gooder who must be stopped!


Because he made an old car that's probably only driven in fair weather daylight 
conditions less safe, or because he made a V8 Pagoda less original?


Mitch.

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[MBZ] Mercedes most expensive vehicle to insure

2013-01-22 Thread Gerry Archer

Each year, Insure.com ranks vehicles by the cost of insuring them. This
year, in what it terms a ''remarkable upset,'' the Web-based insurance
services provider said minivans are no longer the best choice in terms of
the lowest insurance rates. For 2013 models, crossovers and SUVs have taken
over. ? The SUV is the new minivan, says Russ Rader, spokesperson for the
Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, which performs crash tests on
vehicles. These are vehicles used largely by families. . They're not
getting into a lot of crashes. ? Their lack of crashes and their low repair
costs keep insurance rates down. ? On the other end of the scale,
Mercedes-Benz models accounted for eight of the 10 most expensive vehicles
to insure. ? The $160,000 Mercedes-Benz CL600 coupe had the worst annual
insurance bill, at $3,357. That compares to $1,128 for the top ranked Ford
Edge SE.

The least expensive 2013 vehicles to insure

1Ford Edge SE (above)4$1,128
2Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo6$1,148
3Subaru Outback 2.5i Premium4$1,150
4Kia Sportage4$1,157
5Jeep Patriot Sport4$1,160
6Chevrolet Express 15008$1,171
7Subaru Outback 3.6R6$1,180
8Hyundai Tucson GLS4$1,189
9Ford Explorer6$1,197
10Hyundai Tucson GL4$1,204

The most expensive 2013 vehicles to insure

1Mercedes-Benz CL600 (above)12$3,357
2Mercedes-Benz CL65 AMG12$3,330
3Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG8$3,221
4Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG12$3,207
5Mercedes-Benz CL63 AMG8$3,184
6Mercedes-Benz S60012$3,158
7Mercedes-Benz SL63 AMG8$3,075
8Mercedes-Benz S63 AMG8$2,978
9Porsche 911 Turbo6$2,958
10Porsche 911 Turbo S6$2,925

(snip)

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/personalfinance/suvs-not-minivans-are-now-the-cheapest-vehicles-to-insure/1271527

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Re: [MBZ] School training - was: Final gun comment

2013-01-22 Thread G Mann

For the sake of clarity. My culture of fear observation was only to
include the wide area of our culture today, both in USA and Europe, where I
have lived and observed, not anyone's personal parenting style.

It is my observation that we have embraced as a strong component of present
civilization a two component pattern of fear. I will try to express my
observations in simple terms with the recognition it is a complex pattern
with many personal variables.

1. First Element: An act by party or parties which is outside both the law
and or safety.

2. Second Element: Response. First by affected party, Second by First
Responders, Third by News Media.  The news media responds by making the
event/events their darling child 24/7 until it can not be milked any
further or is replaced with a new tragedy. [Part of the culture is to be
glued to every detail, true of not, that is sent over the airwaves, for
days or months, Example, the words O.J. Simpson, feel it?]

3. Third Element: The well established principle of human response is
Fight or Flight when confronted with conflict. The civilized culture
today does not allow Fight response, however, in each person watching the
endless replays of the chosen tragedy, inner stress rises, each time,
because humans are hard wired for survival.

4. Third Element, Second component: With each viewing of the tragedy,
persons viewing also experience the Flight response. [Intensity of both 3
 4 are very individual]. However, the need to flee from such acts is real,
valid and intense, whether recognized or internalized as is the need to
Fight.

5. Fourth Element: The cumulative effect, on culture, over the several
decades this pattern has been repeated [for now, lets pick video of Vietnam
war day by day going forward] has been that this set of individual
responses have become part of our overall culture. Those responses make up
a very unsatisfied response to the hard wired Fight or Flight hard wire
result of eons of selective breeding and survival. [Women pick brave men to
father children and survive, fact not fiction, borne out by many sources].

6. Fifth Element: The long term and cultural effect of this constant daily
exposure to repeated display and focus on every violent act, through media
display, has produced an effect very much like PTSD.  The strong sense held
by many is they need to Fight, but are not capable of it and can't identify
just what or who to fight. Concurrent with that is the strong sense they
need to Flight, but can not identify clearly were the threat is, or where
they would be safe.

7. Sixth Element: Both responses are hard wired into humans and with good
reason. They are both healthy responses to a threat. However, in our
current culture, neither are possible or acceptable. Yet, the assault
media continues, every hour of every day to present these high threat
levels, and civilized humans respond in the only ways left for them to
respond, by making themselves numb and or curling into the fetal position
[some literally, some figuratively] .

 The observations I've made indicate as a culture, we now elect to neither
Fight or Flight, but suffer daily because internally we need to in order to
survive. The cultural response is to delegate the Fight to First
Responders and Prosecutors, Lawyers, Mental Health Professionals, ad
nausium, which only protracts the inner need to Fight with no resolution.
The Flight response has no real social equivalent [well, perhaps the
local bar] so that is simply internalized into the accumulated culture of
stress which we pass on to our young. By both example and by direct action
we teach them to be fearful because we are fearful as part of our culture
of unresolved Fight or Flight.

Well, I see our 50 minutes are up. Schedule you next appointment with the
receptionist. Will you be paying with card or check today?

BTW, how is that nice 300SD of yours running?
Grant...

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

Randy Bennell wrote:
   
My wife was talking with a young woman [whose son] is 5
or 6 (I cannot recall which) [and] is having nightmares
because, every day at school, they are having drills on
what to do if someone comes to the school with a gun.

   G Mann wrote:
  
   Without going to any discussion about guns, period, let us
   look at the true source of this young mans fear, how it was
   installed, who taught it to him, where it came from.
  
   We have in our society today a culture that teaches children
   to be fearful.

   Now? Please draw your own conclusions.

  Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 
  What culture?  I taught my son to be careful, but fearful?
  No.  Are you talking about the culture in your home town or is
  this yet another straw man?

 Err, did you perchance just suffer from top-post-itis?  And
 didn't notice or read the post Grant was replying to?

 When put in order, it looks to me like Grant is commenting on
 the schools.  Or maybe I'm mis-reading it too.

[MBZ] OT - What to do with leftover battery acid?

2013-01-22 Thread David Kristin Gilmore

  I seem to remember someone in this group one time recommending 
using acid to improve the soil for growing potatoes.  Can anyone 
provide details on the procedure?  Or perhaps it was a joke.  In any 
case I have between 3 and 4 gallons of battery acid I'd like to be 
rid of.  I have googled the subject and found many safety warnings - 
such as always adding acid to water, not the other way around - but I 
am coming up short on uses for it outside of lead acid 
batteries.  And it appears batteries nowadays come already filled 
with acid and sealed.


   The story is that last summer I rolled my farm tractor and 
hurt my elbow in the process.  By the time the elbow had recovered 
enough to run a chain saw to free the tractor it had spent about 
three weeks on its side, draining half the acid out of each battery 
cell.  Judging from the size of the battery I figured I would need 3 
- 5 quarts to replenish it.. While at my local NAPA  getting some 
other parts I found quart containers of battery acid were about $5 
each and they had only 2.  But they would sell me a 5 gallon 
container for I think it was $32.  So that is what I bought and used 
about 1 1/2 gallons.  It is in a heavy cardboard box with a plastic 
liner that collapses as the acid is drained out by an attached hose.


 I have the box sitting up on a dry shelf in the equipment 
shed.  I have never before needed battery acid and I don't anticipate 
needing it again.  I don't want it to leak as the result of 
accident.  Nor do I want stolen by some crazy person like the one 
that attacked the school children in Connecticut.  Any suggestions as 
to what to do with it?  Thanks.


 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

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Re: [MBZ] OT - What to do with leftover battery acid?

2013-01-22 Thread Dan Penoff

Does your community have some sort of hazardous materials disposal arrangement, 
like someplace you can take it and drop it off to be properly disposed of?

Or - do you know any shops that might want it? We used to keep dry batteries 
in storage and add acid as we needed them.

I shudder to think that it would be poured out on the ground. I can't imagine 
that would be good for anything.

Dan

On Jan 22, 2013, at 12:26 PM, David  Kristin Gilmore 
dandkgilm...@frontier.com wrote:

  I seem to remember someone in this group one time recommending using 
 acid to improve the soil for growing potatoes.  Can anyone provide details on 
 the procedure?  Or perhaps it was a joke.  In any case I have between 3 and 4 
 gallons of battery acid I'd like to be rid of.  I have googled the subject 
 and found many safety warnings - such as always adding acid to water, not the 
 other way around - but I am coming up short on uses for it outside of lead 
 acid batteries.  And it appears batteries nowadays come already filled with 
 acid and sealed.
 
   The story is that last summer I rolled my farm tractor and hurt my 
 elbow in the process.  By the time the elbow had recovered enough to run a 
 chain saw to free the tractor it had spent about three weeks on its side, 
 draining half the acid out of each battery cell.  Judging from the size of 
 the battery I figured I would need 3 - 5 quarts to replenish it.. While at my 
 local NAPA  getting some other parts I found quart containers of battery acid 
 were about $5 each and they had only 2.  But they would sell me a 5 gallon 
 container for I think it was $32.  So that is what I bought and used about 1 
 1/2 gallons.  It is in a heavy cardboard box with a plastic liner that 
 collapses as the acid is drained out by an attached hose.
 
 I have the box sitting up on a dry shelf in the equipment shed.  I have 
 never before needed battery acid and I don't anticipate needing it again.  I 
 don't want it to leak as the result of accident.  Nor do I want stolen by 
 some crazy person like the one that attacked the school children in 
 Connecticut.  Any suggestions as to what to do with it?  Thanks.
 
 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - What to do with leftover battery acid?

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:26 PM, David  Kristin Gilmore 
dandkgilm...@frontier.com wrote:

  I have the box sitting up on a dry shelf in the equipment shed.  I
 have never before needed battery acid and I don't anticipate needing it
 again.  I don't want it to leak as the result of accident.  Nor do I want
 stolen by some crazy person like the one that attacked the school children
 in Connecticut.  Any suggestions as to what to do with it?  Thanks.


Do you have a local community college or university?  You could also check
with the high school Chemistry teachers but that might be a bit much.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT - What to do with leftover battery acid?

2013-01-22 Thread Gerry Archer

On Jan 22, 2013, at 12:26 PM, David  Kristin Gilmore 
dandkgilm...@frontier.com wrote:


 I seem to remember someone in this group one time recommending using 
acid to improve the soil for growing potatoes.  Can anyone provide 
details on the procedure?  Or perhaps it was a joke.  In any case I have 
between 3 and 4 gallons of battery acid I'd like to be rid of.  I have 
googled the subject and found many safety warnings - such as always 
adding acid to water, not the other way around - but I am coming up short 
on uses for it outside of lead acid batteries.  And it appears batteries 
nowadays come already filled with acid and sealed.


  The story is that last summer I rolled my farm tractor and hurt my 
elbow in the process.  By the time the elbow had recovered enough to run 
a chain saw to free the tractor it had spent about three weeks on its 
side, draining half the acid out of each battery cell.  Judging from the 
size of the battery I figured I would need 3 - 5 quarts to replenish it.. 
While at my local NAPA  getting some other parts I found quart containers 
of battery acid were about $5 each and they had only 2.  But they would 
sell me a 5 gallon container for I think it was $32.  So that is what I 
bought and used about 1 1/2 gallons.  It is in a heavy cardboard box with 
a plastic liner that collapses as the acid is drained out by an attached 
hose.


I have the box sitting up on a dry shelf in the equipment shed.  I 
have never before needed battery acid and I don't anticipate needing it 
again.  I don't want it to leak as the result of accident.  Nor do I want 
stolen by some crazy person like the one that attacked the school 
children in Connecticut.  Any suggestions as to what to do with it? 
Thanks.

Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

.
Question:
Sir, I have a substantial quantity of sulfuric acid, about 15 gallons, which 
I have been using to pickle (etch clean) copper parts that I have been 
making into a boiler for a steam locomotive. I have completed the work and I 
wish to dispose of the acid in a safe way. The solution is dilute in the 
approximate ratio of 1:15 acid/water. I tried household bleach but only 
succeeded in producing chlorine gas! A litmus test came up bright red and I 
am unwilling to go on making chlorine and I am asking if there is a suitable 
chemical alternative for baking soda, washing soda etc. Thanking you in 
anticipation.


Replies:
You are correct that household bleach is not an appropriate reagent for 
neutralizing sulfuric acid. Baking soda will work, but as you have already 
probably discovered, CO2 gas is produced and this makes a messy foam. The 
most direct method would be to neutralize the sulfuric acid with DILUTE 
sodium hydroxide, which you can probably obtain from a hardware store or 
industrial chemical supplier under the common name, caustic soda. This 
should be diluted carefully with water because the heat of dilution is 
substantial. Add the diluted sodium hydroxide slowly to the dilute acid 
until the endpoint is reached using litmus paper. The reaction product is 
aqueous sodium sulfate, which can be safely discarded into the sewer/septic 
system.


A word of caution: Do NOT use old fashion Draino as a source of caustic 
soda. It is a mixture of sodium hydroxide and aluminum flakes. When diluted 
hydrogen is evolved, which is potentially explosive.


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Re: [MBZ] Why were they loaded?

2013-01-22 Thread Scott Ritchey

This is local for me.  In fact I considered going to that show but stayed
home because my wife is still recovering from a hip replacement.

I have not found a more detailed description of events in the local media,
bit it is obvious that all three of the basic gun safety rules were violated
here (not unloaded, not pointing in safe direction, finger on trigger).
Obviously, there was much baffonery in this case, we just don't know who.

My editorial comment is that real gun people understand that guns can be
very dangerous (lethal or worse) so they are also very serious about gun
safety.  The so-called gun culture in America is a product of Hollywood and
the video game industry, it is not the culture of serious gun people.

Scott

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Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:05 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Why were they loaded?

Private sales at gun show on hold after three hurt in accidental shooting

Raleigh, N.C. - Officials said the Dixie Gun and Knife Show will continue
Sunday without private gun sales after three people, including a retired
sheriff's deputy, were injured Saturday when a gun brought in by a patron
who planned to sell it accidentally discharged.
A man identified as Gary Lynn Wilson, 36, of Wilmington, brought the
12-gauge shotgun to the show at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds and was
attempting to remove it from its case when the weapon went off shortly after
1 p.m., police said.
Linwood Hester, 50, of Durham, was struck in the left hand by birdshot,
according to Joel Keith, police chief with the state Department of
Agriculture. The birdshot also struck a woman identified as Janet Hoover,
54, of Benson, and Jake Alderman, a retired sheriff's deputy from Wake
Forest who was working at the event.
Alderman was treated and released at WakeMed North Healthplex for a minor
injury, Keith said. Hester and Hoover were taken to WakeMed, where they were
treated and released later in the day.
Visitors are supposed to allow security officials to check in weapons, Keith
said, but Wilson removed the gun from its case before personnel had a chance
to handle it. The shotgun was on a table by the entry door when it
discharged.
I want to emphasize that this was an accident, Keith said. At the time,
no employee, no officer had inspected that gun.
Show-goer Emory Lewis was standing nearby when the gun discharged.
When I turned around, I heard the gun hit the table. And when I heard the
gun hit the table, I heard the shot went off, he said. And the guy that
was standing right it front of me...it went through his hand. Then I heard a
lady hollering - it went through her side somewhere.
No decision has been made about whether any charges will be filed against
Wilson, authorities said. The investigation has been turned over to the Wake
County Sheriff's Office.
The show, which is held inside the Jim Graham Building, closed for the
remainder of the day but will continue Sunday without private gun sales.
Authorities said no personal guns will be allowed on the property. Only guns
sold by licensed dealers and vendors will be allowed.
The ban is in place for Sunday, the last day of the show, but won't
necessarily be permanent, Keith said. Officials said they will review
procedures to determine whether any changes need to be made.
The Dixie Gun and Knife Show has taken place at the fairgrounds for more
than 30 years with an excellent track record for safety, officials said.
If we thought that it was a problem or a hazard or was dangerous, we would
not have this show, Keith said. Let's keep in mind this was an accident,
and I'm sure nobody hates this any more than the guy that owned that
weapon.
Although many people rushed out of the fairgrounds after the incident, Keith
said both patrons and officials remained calm during the incident.
People didn't panic, he said. People acted very responsibly, and I
couldn't have asked the officers to have acted any better.

Accidental shootings were reported at two other gun shows Saturday in
Indiana and Ohio.
In Indianapolis, police said a 54-year-old man was injured when he
accidentally shot himself while leaving a gun show. And in Ohio, a gun
dealer in Medina was checking out a semi-automatic handgun he had bought
when he accidentally pulled the trigger, injuring his friend, police said.
The gun's magazine had been removed from the firearm, but one round remained
in the chamber, police said.

 
http://www.wral.com/private-gun-sales-at-gun-show-on-hold-after-three-hurt-i
n-accidental-shooting/12000843/

It's unfortunate that these people got shot, but other than that something
like this happening during the widespread debate about gun ownership is
funny IMO.

Gerrywho almost got birdshot in his teenage butt while stealing a
watermelon from a farmers patch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - What to do with leftover battery acid?

2013-01-22 Thread G Mann

Contact your local chemistry teacher to explain how to do an Acid/Base mix
to neutralize the acid for safe disposal. Sulfuric acid is a strong acid,
however baking soda in the right proportion will render the PH to neutral.

Use all the proper safety equipment and precautions in doing this of
course.
Something on the order of a full body condom would be my choice. LOL

On the other hand.. if you have an old Mercedes you want to dispose of,, I
suppose you could simply use that much acid to dissolve it.. ;)
Grant...

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:26 PM, David  Kristin Gilmore 
 dandkgilm...@frontier.com wrote:

   I have the box sitting up on a dry shelf in the equipment shed.  I
  have never before needed battery acid and I don't anticipate needing it
  again.  I don't want it to leak as the result of accident.  Nor do I want
  stolen by some crazy person like the one that attacked the school
 children
  in Connecticut.  Any suggestions as to what to do with it?  Thanks.
 

 Do you have a local community college or university?  You could also check
 with the high school Chemistry teachers but that might be a bit much.

 Best,
 Tim
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[MBZ] Subject: Re: Sulphur Additive ?

2013-01-22 Thread RDeafBoy

Snake oil, no need for it. You'd be better off adding some bio-diesel to  
improve fuel lubricity, which may have suffered when the sulfur was  removed.

Sulfur won't help at all, may do harm; increase the amount of  acids your 
oil needs to deal with.
-- 
Max Dillon
 
 
  So how much bio-diesel  per 17 gallon tank ??
 
Bob
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Re: [MBZ] Why were they loaded?

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 This is local for me.  In fact I considered going to that show but stayed
 home because my wife is still recovering from a hip replacement.


Hey, me too!  We should have a Triangle-Q some time.

I also thought about going, but not enough to actually, you know, drive
east. :)


 I have not found a more detailed description of events in the local media,


On the day, WRAL said the gun was being checked by the police at the gate;
reading between the lines from this version of the story I suspect the
owner was trying to take it out of the case while going through the line,
in anticipation of having to show it to the guard.  I've seen no indication
that a finger pulled the trigger, just that he was taking it out of the
case and it went off.  Plenty of negligence either way.

Best,
Tim
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[MBZ] excess battery acid

2013-01-22 Thread Rick Hawkins Java


Give the excess battery acid to a shop that can use it

a battery store, for example

or auto parts store!!

don't waste energy neutralizing it, etc

i'd take it if you were in georgia, but then i sell motor scooters and  
mess with batteries all the time


i'm sure if you dilute it 50 times  say 1 gal to 50 gals of water  
or even 1/25 you could probably use it to clean your drains  i  
don't know about septic tanks if you have that system

thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Sulphur Additive ?

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:49 PM, rdeaf...@aol.com wrote:

   So how much bio-diesel  per 17 gallon tank ??


17 gallons of commercial biod, plus or minus. :)

It's good to use occasionally, fortunately I have a nearby pump that is
close to diesel price (so I just pay in nominally lower MPG).  I try to use
it once every 6 or 8 fills.

It will clean up your fuel lines so you may find some leaking - or maybe
not.  Just remember to watch for it.

Best,
-Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Why were they loaded?

2013-01-22 Thread Peter Hertzing

Okay - This killed me too (no pun intended).  Let me start by saying I
don't own a gun.  Not against em and have shot plenty of them, but don't
own one.  I was taught for many years from a young age that a gun was
loaded.  You treated them all as if they were loaded, even once you
confirmed they were not loaded.  I was brought up to not play guns.  We
didn't aim play guns a people.  It is scary that people at a gun show,
buying guns could be this dumb about owning a gun.

Peter

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
 wrote:

  This is local for me.  In fact I considered going to that show but stayed
  home because my wife is still recovering from a hip replacement.
 

 Hey, me too!  We should have a Triangle-Q some time.

 I also thought about going, but not enough to actually, you know, drive
 east. :)


  I have not found a more detailed description of events in the local
 media,
 

 On the day, WRAL said the gun was being checked by the police at the gate;
 reading between the lines from this version of the story I suspect the
 owner was trying to take it out of the case while going through the line,
 in anticipation of having to show it to the guard.  I've seen no indication
 that a finger pulled the trigger, just that he was taking it out of the
 case and it went off.  Plenty of negligence either way.

 Best,
 Tim
 glad everyone came out okay
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Re: [MBZ] OT - What to do with leftover battery acid?

2013-01-22 Thread Mitch Haley


G Mann wrote:

Contact your local chemistry teacher to explain how to do an Acid/Base mix
to neutralize the acid for safe disposal. Sulfuric acid is a strong acid,
however baking soda in the right proportion will render the PH to neutral.



When I was in high school, the chemistry lab had its own still for distilled 
water. Periodically the teacher had to tear down the still and soak the glass 
boiler parts in sulfuric acid to get rid of the lime deposits. I'm sure he would 
have rather used donated battery acid than reagent grade sulfuric acid for the 
deliming.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] pagoda sidemarker delete project

2013-01-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

He made it more esthetically pleasing, which is good.

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

 Another dangerous do gooder who must be stopped!


 Because he made an old car that's probably only driven in fair weather
 daylight conditions less safe, or because he made a V8 Pagoda less
 original?

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Was Final gun comment now socializm

2013-01-22 Thread clay monroe

I feel it has more to do with social issues than fear. We grew up either
having to bust our behinds to feed and clothe our family or were raised by
people who were not far removed from what is now considered farm life. Today
it all comes from the store, where everything is sanitized for our enjoyment.
No connection to the vicissitudes of life. City life has destroyed americans.

Most of the nation (land mass) was not privy to super markets, TV, electricity
at the home, or sometimes indoor plumbing prior to WWII. City folks had all
sorts of luxe goodies, but rural people worked hard, and were one step from
starvation if it went wrong. They built their own homes, repaired what broke,
made their own clothing and cooked from scratch what had been grown in the
garden. Even some city people kept small livestock and had gardens if you had
a single family home.

Durring the economic fiasco of the 30's you were scraping by and happy to have
heat and a meal for most of the populace. You knew somebody who had lost a
family member to the Great War in some way, be it death, gas, or shell shock.
You ate whatever nasty thing was on the plate because kids were starving in
india, and hitler was taking over europe. Then we sent another Great
Generation to defend liberty, and we prayed for their safe return.

The children who came after those privations had it easy. Watch TV in your new
suburban cookie cutter house and eat a Swansons dinner with no other worry than
maybe the commies would nuke you. New cars, new homes, new movies and
diversions to keep your mind off life and how hard it used to be. Your parents
walked uphill both ways in the driving snow, up to their chest, to school and
had to dig up roots to make stone soup for dinner. Now those are the stories
being told to kids in China.

We built up the cities, devastated the small farmers, paid the indolent to
remain so, and are surprised that nobody values life. Guns rights people
oppose abortion. Welfare pays you to have more children. Agribusiness peddles
toxic foods while big Pharma makes more drugs to balance the equation of
garbage in, cancer is good for business. There is no money in being healthy,
but incredible amounts to be made in managing health with all sorts of alchemy
and procedures to keep the bodies warm while the wallets are drained.

Americans no longer build a nation, they pillage the carcass of industry,
growing rich off of illusory wealth scams like Madoff or the housing bubble.
Toss heaps of cash at vaporware tech firms that promise unlimited energy from
imaginary solar or biofuels. Pump up financial firms that are no better than
the Crimson Permanent Assurance.

clay

1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers

On Jan 21, 2013, at 1:11 PM, G Mann wrote:

Without going to any discussion about guns, period, let us look at the true
source of this young mans fear, how it was installed, who taught it to him,
where it came from.

We have in our society today a culture that teaches children to be fearful.
In an older society, we were taught by example and entertainment [hollywood
movies of that era] that the land of the brave existed and we [society]
supported it. Our heros were men and women who did right and punished
wrong.

Now? Please draw your own conclusions.

Respectfully,
Grant...
-off to watch another episode of Lone Ranger-
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

My wife was talking with a young woman this weekend, who has 2 young
children.
She was relating the fact that her son, who is 5 or 6 (I cannot recall
which) is having nightmares because, every day at school, they are having
drills on what to do if someone comes to the school with a gun.

This strikes me as a bit over the top. The young fellow goes to school in
Steinbach, Manitoba. Steinbach is a small town about 30 miles east of
Winnipeg.
I should think that the likelihood of someone showing up at the school
with a gun is fairly remote.

The young boy is truly afraid that something bad is going to happen at
school.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Was Final gun comment now socializm

2013-01-22 Thread Frederick Moir

Amen.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.

 From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was Final gun comment now socializm

I feel it has more to do with social issues than fear.  We grew up either 
having to bust our behinds to feed and clothe our family or were raised by 
people who were not far removed from what is now considered farm life.  Today 
it all comes from the store, where everything is sanitized for our enjoyment.  
No connection to the vicissitudes of life.  City life has destroyed americans.

Most of the nation (land mass) was not privy to super markets, TV, electricity 
at the home, or sometimes indoor plumbing prior to WWII.  City folks had all 
sorts of luxe goodies, but rural people worked hard, and were one step from 
starvation if it went wrong.  They built their own homes, repaired what broke, 
made their own clothing and cooked from scratch what had been grown in the 
garden.  Even some city people kept small livestock and had gardens if you had 
a single family home.  

Durring the economic fiasco of the 30's you were scraping by and happy to have 
heat and a meal for most of the populace.  You knew somebody who had lost a 
family member to the Great War in some way, be it death, gas, or shell shock.  
You ate whatever nasty thing was on the plate because kids were starving in 
india, and hitler was taking over europe.  Then we sent another Great 
Generation to defend liberty, and we prayed for their safe return.

The children who came after those privations had it easy.  Watch TV in your 
new suburban cookie cutter house and eat a Swansons dinner with no other worry 
than maybe the commies would nuke you.  New cars, new homes, new movies and 
diversions to keep your mind off life and how hard it used to be.  Your 
parents walked uphill both ways in the driving snow, up to their chest, to 
school and had to dig up roots to make stone soup for dinner.  Now those are 
the stories being told to kids in China.

We built up the cities, devastated the small farmers, paid the indolent to 
remain so, and are surprised that nobody values life.  Guns rights people 
oppose abortion.  Welfare pays you to have more children.  Agribusiness 
peddles toxic foods while big Pharma makes more drugs to balance the equation 
of garbage in, cancer is good for business.  There is no money in being 
healthy, but incredible amounts to be made in managing health with all sorts 
of alchemy and procedures to keep the bodies warm while the wallets are 
drained.

Americans no longer build a nation, they pillage the carcass of industry, 
growing rich off of illusory wealth scams like Madoff or the housing bubble.  
Toss heaps of cash at vaporware tech firms that promise unlimited energy from 
imaginary solar or biofuels.  Pump up financial firms that are no better than 
the Crimson Permanent Assurance.

clay 

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a Car - Part Deux

2013-01-22 Thread clay monroe

I can drive it down if you get one from out in the PNW.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3563765477.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/3563564471.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3563122908.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3562865581.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3562750077.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3517402561.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/3562665436.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3545309237.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3525744761.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3562247022.html


clay 


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On Jan 21, 2013, at 2:14 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 Good point.  Sorry for any confusion.  I was trying to get something up on 
 the list ASAP since I had just gotten the word from the insurance company.
 
 So let's do this again with a little more clarity:
 
 I have $3000 to spend on a car (ideally an MB) for me so I can pass my Focus 
 on to my youngest son, who is currently car-less.
 
 No beaters or project cars, thank you.  I need something that is complete and 
 reliable for my daily commute, although for these kind of money I'm looking 
 at I don't expect perfection and could deal with minor items that might need 
 to be addressed.
 
 Again, sorry for any confusion


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Re: [MBZ] OT - What to do with leftover battery acid?

2013-01-22 Thread clay monroe

Use it to do an acid wash or concrete that is dirty.  Like in a swimming pool.  
Mist it on, scrub, hose off with lots of water so it dilutes.

pour it into a swimming pool that is too alkali.  Drops pH very well and 
dilutes in the water.

Run it through the church coffee makers and remove the encrustation of aged 
percolated gunk

Donate it to the high school chemistry class

clay

On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:26 AM, David  Kristin Gilmore wrote:

  I seem to remember someone in this group one time recommending using 
 acid to improve the soil for growing potatoes.  Can anyone provide details on 
 the procedure?  Or perhaps it was a joke.  In any case I have between 3 and 4 
 gallons of battery acid I'd like to be rid of.  I have googled the subject 
 and found many safety warnings - such as always adding acid to water, not the 
 other way around - but I am coming up short on uses for it outside of lead 
 acid batteries.  And it appears batteries nowadays come already filled with 
 acid and sealed.
 
   The story is that last summer I rolled my farm tractor and hurt my 
 elbow in the process.  By the time the elbow had recovered enough to run a 
 chain saw to free the tractor it had spent about three weeks on its side, 
 draining half the acid out of each battery cell.  Judging from the size of 
 the battery I figured I would need 3 - 5 quarts to replenish it.. While at my 
 local NAPA  getting some other parts I found quart containers of battery acid 
 were about $5 each and they had only 2.  But they would sell me a 5 gallon 
 container for I think it was $32.  So that is what I bought and used about 1 
 1/2 gallons.  It is in a heavy cardboard box with a plastic liner that 
 collapses as the acid is drained out by an attached hose.
 
 I have the box sitting up on a dry shelf in the equipment shed.  I have 
 never before needed battery acid and I don't anticipate needing it again.  I 
 don't want it to leak as the result of accident.  Nor do I want stolen by 
 some crazy person like the one that attacked the school children in 
 Connecticut.  Any suggestions as to what to do with it?  Thanks.
 
 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV
 
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a Car - Part Deux

Slightly closer.

http://charlotte.craigslist.org/search/sss?srchType=AzoomToPosting=query=mercedes%7CbenzminAsk=2000maxAsk=3000

I have noticed that Charlotte is usually cheaper than Raleigh, but Raleigh
often has much nicer stuff.  Columbia SC is cheaper than both.

I think Atlanta is cheaper than all of us.

Best,
-Tim


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:47 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 I can drive it down if you get one from out in the PNW.

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3563765477.html

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/3563564471.html

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3563122908.html

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3562865581.html

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3562750077.html

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3517402561.html

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/3562665436.html

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3545309237.html

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3525744761.html

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3562247022.html


 clay


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 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers










 On Jan 21, 2013, at 2:14 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

  Good point.  Sorry for any confusion.  I was trying to get something up
 on the list ASAP since I had just gotten the word from the insurance
 company.
 
  So let's do this again with a little more clarity:
 
  I have $3000 to spend on a car (ideally an MB) for me so I can pass my
 Focus on to my youngest son, who is currently car-less.
 
  No beaters or project cars, thank you.  I need something that is
 complete and reliable for my daily commute, although for these kind of
 money I'm looking at I don't expect perfection and could deal with minor
 items that might need to be addressed.
 
  Again, sorry for any confusion


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[MBZ] More Hawaii - this one off topic

2013-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/oldsub86/2013_0107Hawaii_Wedding0033.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/oldsub86/2013_0107Hawaii_Wedding0007.jpg

These are photos from our hotel room balcony. That is the marina where 
the 56 Benz was parked.


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[MBZ] More Hawaii - back on topic

2013-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p294/oldsub86/2013_0107Hawaii_Wedding0040.jpg


Another old MB that I saw on the street while walking down to Waikiki beach.

Lots of new MB's there too.

Saw some other old ones too.

When we were on the big island, I took my sister to the airport as she 
was scheduled on an earlier flight to Honolulu, and on my way back to 
Kona, an old character in a 123 MB roared by me like I was stopped.

The car was fairly rugged looking but obviously ran pretty well.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] pagoda sidemarker delete project

2013-01-22 Thread Randy Bennell


On 22/01/2013 8:32 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

So as ya'll know, a friend in DC helped me replace my 240D timing chain this 
past weekend.  In exchange, I helped him with some bodywork on his pagoda.  
Check it out here:

http://stricht8.wordpress.com/
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Looks very nice.

Is the planishing hammer the one with the grooves radiating out from the 
center?


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - What to do with leftover battery acid?

2013-01-22 Thread Fmiser

  David  [or] Kristin Gilmore wrote:
 
   I seem to remember someone in this group one time
  recommending using acid to improve the soil for growing
  potatoes.

_Sweet_ potatoes and blueberries are both plants that prefer
acidic soil.  But adding battery acid is _NOT_ the way to
achieve it!

  While at my local NAPA  getting
  some other parts I found quart containers of battery acid
  were about $5 each and they had only 2.  But they would
  sell me a 5 gallon container for I think it was $32.  So
  that is what I bought and used about 1 1/2 gallons.
  Any suggestions as to what to do
  with it? Thanks. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

 Gerry Archer wrote:

 Sir, I have a substantial quantity of sulfuric acid, about 15
 gallons,

 I tried household bleach
 but only succeeded in producing chlorine gas!

 Replies:
 You are correct that household bleach is not an appropriate
 reagent for neutralizing sulfuric acid.

 The most direct method would be to neutralize the sulfuric
 acid with DILUTE sodium hydroxide, which you can probably
 obtain from a hardware store or industrial chemical supplier
 under the common name, caustic soda.

Or the common name lye.

 This should be diluted carefully with water
 because the heat of dilution is substantial. Add the diluted
 sodium hydroxide slowly to the dilute acid

Really?  I'm not a chemist, nor have I even done much shade-tree
chemistry - but I though the procedure was to always add acid to
the base.

 A word of caution: Do NOT use old fashion Draino as a source
 of caustic soda. It is a mixture of sodium hydroxide and
 aluminum flakes. When diluted hydrogen is evolved, which is
 potentially explosive.

Hydrogen rises very rapidly (15 ft/sec) so if this is done
outside - which is where _I_ would be doing it - I wouldn't
consider the hydrogen to be a big risk.

 http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00693.htm 

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT - What to do with leftover battery acid?

2013-01-22 Thread G Mann

An extra word of caution in handling sodium hydroxide in powder form.
Contact with mucous membrane, such as eyelids or mouth, or ingestion into
the lungs can and will do great physical harm, Possible harm which can not
be recovered from, for example if it is breathed into the lung. It reacts
quickly with moisture and gives horrible chemical burns, potentially.
Chemical burns to the interior of the lung is deadly.

Please use care and understand the risks.

Grant...

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

   David  [or] Kristin Gilmore wrote:
  
I seem to remember someone in this group one time
   recommending using acid to improve the soil for growing
   potatoes.

 _Sweet_ potatoes and blueberries are both plants that prefer
 acidic soil.  But adding battery acid is _NOT_ the way to
 achieve it!

   While at my local NAPA  getting
   some other parts I found quart containers of battery acid
   were about $5 each and they had only 2.  But they would
   sell me a 5 gallon container for I think it was $32.  So
   that is what I bought and used about 1 1/2 gallons.
   Any suggestions as to what to do
   with it? Thanks. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

  Gerry Archer wrote:

  Sir, I have a substantial quantity of sulfuric acid, about 15
  gallons,

  I tried household bleach
  but only succeeded in producing chlorine gas!

  Replies:
  You are correct that household bleach is not an appropriate
  reagent for neutralizing sulfuric acid.

  The most direct method would be to neutralize the sulfuric
  acid with DILUTE sodium hydroxide, which you can probably
  obtain from a hardware store or industrial chemical supplier
  under the common name, caustic soda.

 Or the common name lye.

  This should be diluted carefully with water
  because the heat of dilution is substantial. Add the diluted
  sodium hydroxide slowly to the dilute acid

 Really?  I'm not a chemist, nor have I even done much shade-tree
 chemistry - but I though the procedure was to always add acid to
 the base.

  A word of caution: Do NOT use old fashion Draino as a source
  of caustic soda. It is a mixture of sodium hydroxide and
  aluminum flakes. When diluted hydrogen is evolved, which is
  potentially explosive.

 Hydrogen rises very rapidly (15 ft/sec) so if this is done
 outside - which is where _I_ would be doing it - I wouldn't
 consider the hydrogen to be a big risk.

  http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00693.htm

 --   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] pagoda sidemarker delete project

2013-01-22 Thread Max Dillon

So where are the pictures of the timing chain replacement on your 240D?
-- 
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Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

So as ya'll know, a friend in DC helped me replace my 240D timing chain
this past weekend.  In exchange, I helped him with some bodywork on his
pagoda.  Check it out here:

http://stricht8.wordpress.com/
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Re: [MBZ] pagoda sidemarker delete project

2013-01-22 Thread OK Don

Good work. Will you post the final, painted results?
Which V8 is in the car? Unless excess weight is on the front axel, that
should be an awesome SL!

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote:

 So as ya'll know, a friend in DC helped me replace my 240D timing chain
 this past weekend.  In exchange, I helped him with some bodywork on his
 pagoda.  Check it out here:

 http://stricht8.wordpress.com/




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2012 Passat TDI DSG
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
1957 C182A
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Re: [MBZ] OT Cheap Tablet PC Screen byhysema

Jim wrote:
 HP150?  Want one?

I always thought the system was collectible, but sons nixed that idea,
even though they were the ones that did schoolwork on it - it got
recycled.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Drills and shelter WAS: OT: Final gun comment

Dieselhead wrote:
 Kids should be trained to be watchful for dangers...

Situational Awareness.  Focus today is me, me, not you.

 That used to be the norm until the 1900s when coddling became popular.

Coddling is one thing, mothering is another.  My sons were mothered -
very valuable, I might suggest.

 That said, I am not sure we should declare our generation turned out ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A

See if that don't bring a bit of religion in to this dialog...
Standard banned closing omitted
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Re: [MBZ] School training - was: Final gun comment

Dr.Grant wrote:
 The Flight response has no real social equivalent [well, perhaps the
 local bar] so that is simply internalized into the accumulated culture of
 stress which we pass on to our young.

Nice - thanks.
Besides the local bar you might add the large screen sports addiction
along with the adult beverage, or your hfcs laden coke product.  HFCS,
btw, is processed in the body the same as beer, but without the buzz -
both are poison, i.e. ethanol.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] pagoda sidemarker delete project

Thanks. No that's not a Planishing hammer- sounds like a shrinking hammer.  Any 
auto body hammer with a smooth head can be used to planish. Some body hammers 
are called Planishing but I'm not sure why.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

 On 22/01/2013 8:32 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
 So as ya'll know, a friend in DC helped me replace my 240D timing chain this 
 past weekend.  In exchange, I helped him with some bodywork on his pagoda.  
 Check it out here:
 
 http://stricht8.wordpress.com/
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 Looks very nice.
 
 Is the planishing hammer the one with the grooves radiating out from the 
 center?
 
 Randy
 
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Re: [MBZ] pagoda sidemarker delete project

Haha. Didn't take any but sure thought about it. My friend worked at lightning 
speed and it was cold so didn't get a chance.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 So where are the pictures of the timing chain replacement on your 240D?
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
 
 Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 So as ya'll know, a friend in DC helped me replace my 240D timing chain
 this past weekend.  In exchange, I helped him with some bodywork on his
 pagoda.  Check it out here:
 
 http://stricht8.wordpress.com/
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Re: [MBZ] Was Final gun comment now socializm

clay wrote:
 Americans no longer build a nation, they pillage the carcass of industry, 
 growing rich off of illusory wealth scams like Madoff or the housing bubble.  
 Toss heaps of cash at vaporware tech firms that promise unlimited energy from 
 imaginary solar or biofuels.  Pump up financial firms that are no better than 
 the Crimson Permanent Assurance.


Dude!!!
You wrote this?
Or did you copy/paste?
Nice.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - What to do with leftover battery acid?

2013-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond

My local motorcycle shop has one of those, you might check around (Craigslist 
perhaps) and see if somebody wants to buy it. Maybe get $10 back.

Otherwise if you're careful you could use it to de-rust parts. I use citric 
acid frequently for lantern parts. Some guys use hydrochloric in diluted 
solution they get as toilet cleaner...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:26:12 -0500
From: David  Kristin Gilmore dandkgilm...@frontier.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT - What to do with leftover battery acid?
Message-ID: fb13bf$9uk...@out02.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

   I seem to remember someone in this group one time recommending 
using acid to improve the soil for growing potatoes.  Can anyone 
provide details on the procedure?  Or perhaps it was a joke.  In any 
case I have between 3 and 4 gallons of battery acid I'd like to be 
rid of.  I have googled the subject and found many safety warnings - 
such as always adding acid to water, not the other way around - but I 
am coming up short on uses for it outside of lead acid 
batteries.  And it appears batteries nowadays come already filled 
with acid and sealed.

The story is that last summer I rolled my farm tractor and 
hurt my elbow in the process.  By the time the elbow had recovered 
enough to run a chain saw to free the tractor it had spent about 
three weeks on its side, draining half the acid out of each battery 
cell.  Judging from the size of the battery I figured I would need 3 
- 5 quarts to replenish it.. While at my local NAPA  getting some 
other parts I found quart containers of battery acid were about $5 
each and they had only 2.  But they would sell me a 5 gallon 
container for I think it was $32.  So that is what I bought and used 
about 1 1/2 gallons.  It is in a heavy cardboard box with a plastic 
liner that collapses as the acid is drained out by an attached hose.

  I have the box sitting up on a dry shelf in the equipment 
shed.  I have never before needed battery acid and I don't anticipate 
needing it again.  I don't want it to leak as the result of 
accident.  Nor do I want stolen by some crazy person like the one 
that attacked the school children in Connecticut.  Any suggestions as 
to what to do with it?  Thanks.

  Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

  Sex is the mysticism of materialism.

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Re: [MBZ] Sulphur Additive ?

2013-01-22 Thread Curt Raymond

Last year I ran about 1/2 tank B5 in my 240D and got a noticible reduction in 
sound which I attribute to the increased lubricity of bio.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:49:28 -0500 (EST)
From: rdeaf...@aol.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Subject: Re:  Sulphur Additive ?
Message-ID: 1e79e.13bea5f9.3e303...@aol.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Snake oil, no need for it. You'd be better off adding some bio-diesel to  
improve fuel lubricity, which may have suffered when the sulfur was  removed.

Sulfur won't help at all, may do harm; increase the amount of  acids your 
oil needs to deal with.
-- 
Max Dillon

  So how much bio-diesel  per 17 gallon tank ??

Bob
1983 240D

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Re: [MBZ] Was Final gun comment now socializm

The Crimson Permanent Assurance

I had to look that up - nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YUiBBltOg4

Standard banned closure ommitted

mao

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Re: [MBZ] pagoda sidemarker delete project

Thanks. The car needs more bodywork so it'll be a while before it's painted. I 
have to repair the nose as well. 

It has a 560 engine mated to a 5 speed manual getrag tranny.  The challenge was 
finding an appropriate bell housing so my friend sourced an ultra rare AMG bell 
housing which allowed that M117 engine to bolt up to the getrag.

My role in all this was welding the appropriate flange to the driveshaft, 
fabricating the exhaust downpipes, modifying throttle linkages, and helping to 
modify the pedal assembly. It truly is a dream to drive. 
Here are some videos of the car in action:

http://youtu.be/KD8ulV5ohKc

http://youtu.be/dN5MZ99hsOU


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:55 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good work. Will you post the final, painted results?
 Which V8 is in the car? Unless excess weight is on the front axel, that
 should be an awesome SL!
 
 On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Dimitri Seretakis 
 dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote:
 
 So as ya'll know, a friend in DC helped me replace my 240D timing chain
 this past weekend.  In exchange, I helped him with some bodywork on his
 pagoda.  Check it out here:
 
 http://stricht8.wordpress.com/
 
 
 -- 
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 2001 ML320
 2012 Passat TDI DSG
 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
 1957 C182A
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Re: [MBZ] pagoda sidemarker delete project

2013-01-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel

I watched and nodded approvingly.

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:56 PM,  dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Thanks. The car needs more bodywork so it'll be a while before it's painted. 
 I have to repair the nose as well.

 It has a 560 engine mated to a 5 speed manual getrag tranny.  The challenge 
 was finding an appropriate bell housing so my friend sourced an ultra rare 
 AMG bell housing which allowed that M117 engine to bolt up to the getrag.

 My role in all this was welding the appropriate flange to the driveshaft, 
 fabricating the exhaust downpipes, modifying throttle linkages, and helping 
 to modify the pedal assembly. It truly is a dream to drive.
 Here are some videos of the car in action:

 http://youtu.be/KD8ulV5ohKc

 http://youtu.be/dN5MZ99hsOU


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:55 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good work. Will you post the final, painted results?
 Which V8 is in the car? Unless excess weight is on the front axel, that
 should be an awesome SL!

 On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Dimitri Seretakis 
 dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote:

 So as ya'll know, a friend in DC helped me replace my 240D timing chain
 this past weekend.  In exchange, I helped him with some bodywork on his
 pagoda.  Check it out here:

 http://stricht8.wordpress.com/


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Re: [MBZ] pagoda sidemarker delete project