Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[clay]

Sadly she is practical and thrifty.  For her upcoming birthday all she wants is 
the house to be clean.  WTF!?!   Cash is something to be hoarded in her mind.  
I wait patiently until her "new" car falls apart in a year or so.  Then again, 
she is going to sell that and move to Alaska, where she will drive some other 
conveyance.   Getting that thing will be a whole other crate of worms


clay 


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On Jun 6, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

>> Tell her that no matter how much cash you spend there is no guarantee that
>> even a brand new car will be more reliable.  Just fix the E and call it a
>> day.  She'll quit whining when you buy her nice things with the car payment
>> money...lol
>> 
>> Mikd
> 
> Hear Hear!
> 
> I see a lot more newish cars F.O.R.D than E300Ds   (which to me is still 
> newish)  I see very few MBs F.O.R.D.
> 
> You just need to find something else she wants more than a new car.
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[clay]

I do think the CDI is more reliable than the rest of the w210 line.  Too many 
questions about quality on the earlier models.  Of course, SWMBA reads Consumer 
Report and tells me what rolling turds the benz are.  Even though she drove 
that E300 for 8 years and down graded to a korean sedan.


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On Jun 6, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Max wrote:

> No such thing as a cheap Mercedes, if reliability is what you are after.  In 
> my mind, the sweet spot for diesel Mercedes is 2005/6.  1998/9 turbo diesel 
> sedan would be next, but due to the age maybe not as reliable.  
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[clay]

I may have won this battle.  The war continues.  Got the E300 headed to the 
shop on the 17th.  Found a PnP 95 in green with the bumper and fender, so all 
it will need is respray.  Should be able to pull it in under $2k.

Then SWMBA will demand that the car be sold so that a new bucket of problems on 
wheels can be had.  She is leaning toward oriental cars.  I remain unwilling to 
visit any dealer lots.

clay


On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Tell her that no matter how much cash you spend there is no guarantee that
> even a brand new car will be more reliable.  Just fix the E and call it a
> day.  She'll quit whining when you buy her nice things with the car payment
> money...lol
> 
> Mikd
> On Jun 6, 2013 1:45 AM, "clay"  wrote:
> 
>> At the moment I am doing battle with SWMBA over the replacement for the
>> E300.  I would prefer it just get fixed and life go on, but she has a bug
>> up her ... bonnet, that a more reliable car be found.  These fit my taste.
>> What should I be aware of, and which should be avoided?
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3844133766.html
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3785410731.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3825744594.html
>> 
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3836775453.html
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/3838172819.html
>> 
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3840018790.html
>> 
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3784349504.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[clay]

Tell that to Verizon and NSA. Criminal and unconstitutional I think

clay

On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and 
> effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, 
> and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or 
> affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the 
> persons or things to be seized.
> 
> 
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] OT Heirloom plants - was:Chipper/Shreaders

[Fmiser]

> Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> At least half my tomato seed packets refused to
> germinate this year.  They were not all from the same company,
> either.  We had a very cool early spring so that may have something
> to do with it.

If you are growing heirloom plants - why are you not seed saving?
Tomatoes are especially easy and by saving the seeds from the plants
that do well in _your_ garden, you are optimizing them for _you_.

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

[Scott Ritchey]

Supplemental:  It's hard to believe now, but when I was at Edwards the
following new aircraft were all in flight test there: F-15, F-16. A-10,
AV-8, B-1, B-2 (secret), F-117 (also secret), KC-10, and probably some I
don't recall.  Also, NASA was doing their shuttle/747 texting and all the
initial reentry-landings occurred there.  It was an exciting time for flight
testers.

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Ritchey
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 2:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced


On  Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:44 PM Dieselhead wrote:

>In the mojave desert, most peeps either buy white or paint their 
>black lincoln white pretty quick.  (even if it is with a brush) 
>Summa youse guys musta been at Edwards sometime

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Dieselhead]

On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:42:30 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" 
wrote:


 For them what can appreciate this:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY
 
 &feature=share


Thank you for sharing!

Craig


Ditto  That is a great story.  It would be interesting to see all the film.

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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Dieselhead]

You're right Dan... its sad to see a good original car "customized" to
death.  Value is in originality.  Next step for this car will be the junk
yard, almost certainly.  Most folks lack the skill to make all the details
of such a conversion work.  If the same money and effort was put into the
original drivetrain, the owner would have something impressive
and desirable.  And valuable.

Jaime


I agree completely.  Nothing is nicer to drive than a nice 
110/111/112.  That said, The 110 200D/2.4 is a nice conversion.  When 
we showed it, none of the experts even noticed it was a conversion. 
A low dollar conversion at that.


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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Dieselhead]

Dan Penoff wrote:

To a beautiful W110:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1541829-w110-heckflosse-project-1966-200-a.html#post4326440


These late model wheels I want to use are offset 20mm too far and 
hit the steering arms, what can I do about that?


No prob.  Just cut em off wif a torch!  you don't need em.


Here's the 16v engine from the C230 going in...

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

[Max]

Not medical, mental condition  ;)
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Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

>Like I say, I am living proof there is no harm done, unless you regard
>political views as a medical condition obtained from leftist cats.

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon....

[Max]

Too low, ignore the bottom feeders found here, ask 8 and maybe come down.
-- 
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Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

>What SLS? It has all the bumpers if that's what you mean.
>
>Don't laugh, but I want as close to 5 figures as I can get.
>
>On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Curt Raymond 
>wrote:
>
>> Working SLS?
>>
>> How much is this gem going to cost?
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:28:18 -0400
>> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon
>> Message-ID:
>>
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Self-promotion alert.
>>
>> I will soon be surplussing my 1983 300TD, with 330,000 miles on the
>> odometer but replacement drive train with 225 k miles on 1983 engine
>and
>> 1985 transmission.  White with blue leather (yes!) and factory third
>seat
>> + rear headrests.  Great, clean driver with pep and superior
>handling; no
>> rust and mechanically sound.  Everything works. An appreciating
>classic
>> owned by a long time list and MBCA member.  Currently titled D.C. but
>can
>> drive anywhere, anytime.
>> The sale of this icon will only benefit me and no one else.
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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Max]

Ditto on local Ace hardware.  Prices are a little higher, but there actually is 
service!
-- 
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Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Dan Penoff  wrote:

>That's why I like my local Ace Hardware. It's all of maybe five minutes
>away (I have big box stores like Loews and HD maybe 15 minutes away in
>two directions) and they have nearly everything I need unless it's
>really unique.
>
>Plus they have free popcorn. The wife gets a bag of popcorn every time
>I go there. I told one of the old duffers that works there the only
>reason I get to go there was because I brought home popcorn
>
>Dan
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
>> Sears, like so many companies, decided that everything was all about
>price. As long as the prices were low, they theorized, people would
>buy. Well of course if your prices are super low you can't afford good
>help so they got rid of anybody who knew anything and kept the mouth
>breathers who would work for no wages. As soon as anybody got any kind
>of smart they left for greener pastures.
>> 
>> Today we're finding that most companies have done the same thing and
>we're left with a retail world which has raced to the bottom. Sears is
>done, JC Penny is done. Lowes and Home Depot hang on for reasons I
>don't understand. I come out of those places angry every time. The only
>reason I go is because often I don't know what I'm talking about and
>its easy to browse.
>> 
>> The local places that survive are the ones that focus on customer
>service. We've got an excellent lumberyard/hardware store near our
>farm. When you order lumber the salesperson goes to the yard with you
>and picks out your materials. Its that extra service that makes me want
>to go there. If I don't know exactly what I want the salesperson goes
>out with me and shows me the options. Its a great place and they're
>doing great business because of it.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Jaime Kopchinski]

You're right Dan... its sad to see a good original car "customized" to
death.  Value is in originality.  Next step for this car will be the junk
yard, almost certainly.  Most folks lack the skill to make all the details
of such a conversion work.  If the same money and effort was put into the
original drivetrain, the owner would have something impressive
and desirable.  And valuable.

Jaime


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> To a beautiful W110:
>
>
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1541829-w110-heckflosse-project-1966-200-a.html#post4326440
>
> If you want to see the reason for my comment, jump to the end.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Max]

Our rain has ended.  I couldn't work up the excitement to test our generator, 
most I could do was pull the garbage and recycling into the garage for the 
night.  
-- 
Max Dillon
High and Dry in Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Dan Penoff  wrote:

>We are in the thick of it right now.
>
>Torrential rain, a little wind, but nothing of real significance.  Much
>ado about nothing, IMHO.
>
>I rushed out last night to cut my grass, as with the rather heavy daily
>rain we have had for almost a week it has grown rather tall. I feared
>if I waited until this weekend my mighty Honda walk behind would not
>have cut it, literally and figuratively.
>
>Dan
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Max  wrote:
>
>> Yes, the weather guessers are breathless with anticipation.  Our
>weather alert radio sounded the alarm promptly at 0600 this morning,
>woke up the whole house.  The weather app on my smartphone reminds me
>every fifteen minutes about flooding and the tropical storm
>approaching.  If you don't hear from me again, Andrea must have washed
>us out to sea
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston, SC
>> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>> 
>> Rich Thomas  wrote:
>> 
>>> if you live near the coast, looks like Andrea is paying a visit!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/090936.shtml?5-daynl#contents
>>> 
>>> And a new moon high tide to go with it.
>>> 
>>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] SVO and IP issues was RE: 1984 300D - won't start when hot.

[Michael Esh]

http://www.frybrid.com/svo.htm

I have included a link to an explanation and graph of vegetable oil and diesel 
viscosity. Frybrid is the company from which I purchased my WVO system.  The 
only item I have replaced is the temperature sensor that sends the signal to 
the controller that initiates the switchover valve to begin using the vegetable 
oil fuel system.  Frybrid replaced the sensor without question.  
To those interested the site also contains a multitude of data and information 
concerning the use vegetable oil as a fuel in diesel engines.  I do not have 
practical experience with any other WVO systems, however I read extensively 
about the other systems available and decided this was my best option.  That 
said, I am replacing my fuel injection pump on my 84 300D with just over (to 
the best of my knowledge)300,000 miles on it. 

I enjoy collecting and using WVO in my Mercedes.  I like saving some money, 
helping the environment in a very small way, the challenge of keeping it 
working, and most of the all, the smell of veg oil in the morning. It smells 
like..well, chicken, shrimp, french fries, or fish.  It all depends on 
where I picked up the oil.

Thanks,
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On May 29, 2013, at 11:24 AM, G Mann wrote:

> I agree that SVO viscosity is a critical element in accelerated wear of the
> IP. While our natural tendency is to look for only one damage factor, in
> this case, I believe the additive effect of all elements work to decrease
> the useful service life of the IP.
> 
> I am active on another diesel only board that deals with Ford trucks with
> Indirect Injection [pre 1994] and several members there run WVO as well as
> Waste Motor Oil [50/50 blend with diesel]. What is happening with the IP's
> on those applications patterns after what I've seen on others. Early
> failure. Seems the average life is about 2 years instead of the average of
> 10 seen with Petro Diesel only.
> 
> "Run cheap fuel, buy expensive parts" seems to be the mantra.
> 
> Grant... AZ
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Smith, Todd  wrote:
> 
>> I have been following the Biodiesel and SVO community since 2004 and while
>> I certainly see the advantages and disadvantages to each system; Biodiesel
>> makes more sense in my situation.  All of the reading and listening to SVO
>> advocates and some that posted hard data to analyze; I believe that
>> viscosity is by and large the silent killer of IP.  Some of the tests that
>> I have seen have shown SVO heated to 180 degrees F. which should be normal
>> operating temperature for a properly warmed up system; showing viscosity
>> far in excess of cold No.2 diesel.
>> 
>> Mike, you don't have to take my word for it.  When you get a chance, read
>> the link on measuring the viscosity of motor oil at ehow;
>> http://www.ehow.com/how_6218753_measure-viscosity-motor-oil.html .
>> 
>> Simply run two tests, one for your diesel fuel at ambient temperature and
>> one for your SVO at the normal operating temperature that your system runs.
>> If there is a huge difference then your IP HAS to work harder to pump fuel
>> and would wear more than typical. Jim Cathy's comment about dissolved salts
>> and Grant's comment about pH balances could certainly over a long term have
>> some effects, but IMHO viscosity is the real issue.  If you do test your
>> viscosity, please report back since I would love to see if in your
>> situation it is the same as has been reported in other places.
>> 
>> Thanks for your time.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Chris James]

No, I'm in NC.

Yes, just over 2 years old...very nice!


On 6/6/2013 6:18 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

Chris wrote:

>Out of state (IL)...

That is a fairly new dealership.
They seem to also run a parts network of somesort.  I used to see
delivery van/truck with a website name that I forget, but connected to
the dealer there in St Charles.

Are you in IL?
mao



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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Gerry Archer]

US insurers prepared for rough hurricane year

http://www.intelligentinsurer.com/news/us-insurers-prepared-for-rough-hurricane-year#%2EUa8E4UOv1q4%2Elinkedin

excerpts:

Despite predictions of a rough hurricane season ahead for US insurers, the 
sector looks well prepared for such an eventuality according to AM Best, 
which notes that the industry's collective balance sheet is hitting record 
levels even after Superstorm Sandy.


Some forecasts suggest that 2013 could see three times as many severe 
hurricanes make landfall in the US. But a report by AM Best suggests risk 
management practices implemented by the insurance industry in recent years 
mean it should be able to cope.


During 2012, there were 19 named storms, 10 hurricanes and two major 
hurricanes (Category 3 or higher). The general consensus for 2013 seems to 
be fewer named storms but an increased number of higher intensity 
hurricanes. In 2012, only 20% of hurricanes were Category 3 or higher 
whereas 2013 predictions are for 40%-50% of hurricanes to be Category 3 or 
higher.


In addition, it noted that many P/C writers are beginning to use data 
collected from Sandy to revise underwriting practices and implement numerous 
risk management initiatives to address adjustments to catastrophe models.


"There is the potential for increased losses," the rating agency said in a 
report. "But regardless of the predictions for catastrophic activity and the 
associated uncertainty, the P/C industry continues to engage actively in 
risk management, which has been evident over the past several years.


"Despite the volatile catastrophic activity witnessed across the US, there 
have been a limited number of rating actions related to single, severe 
catastrophes. Conversely, the aggregation of losses from multiple events has 
had more of a rating impact.


Gerry


From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 


Looks like they're predicting the same for up here in NJ.  National 
Weather

Service puts out some good briefings with possible scenarios:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/FB_Briefings/WxBriefing_FB.pdf

Should be lots of rain in a short period of time, so flooding is always
possible in some places.  Storm surge and wind don't look like much to
worry about.

But, it is a bit concerning to have a tropical storm of any kind on this
track so early in the season.  Hopefully this isn't going to be come a
trend for the rest of the season.

Jaime



On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


We are in the thick of it right now.

Torrential rain, a little wind, but nothing of real significance.  Much
ado about nothing, IMHO.

I rushed out last night to cut my grass, as with the rather heavy daily
rain we have had for almost a week it has grown rather tall. I feared if 
I

waited until this weekend my mighty Honda walk behind would not have cut
it, literally and figuratively.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Max  wrote:

> Yes, the weather guessers are breathless with anticipation.  Our 
> weather

alert radio sounded the alarm promptly at 0600 this morning, woke up the
whole house.  The weather app on my smartphone reminds me every fifteen
minutes about flooding and the tropical storm approaching.  If you don't
hear from me again, Andrea must have washed us out to sea
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston, SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>
> Rich Thomas  wrote:
>
>> if you live near the coast, looks like Andrea is paying a visit!
>>
>>
>>
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/090936.shtml?5-daynl#contents
>>
>> And a new moon high tide to go with it.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Frederick Moir]

Roy Marsden?
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 4:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks
> 
>
>There used to be a great Brit TV spy show about MI-5 called The Sandbaggers
>starring Robson Green.  Robson now hosts Extreme Fishing on the Velocity
>channel.  EF is one of my favorite shows.
>
>On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Rich Thomas <
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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Dieselhead]

To a beautiful W110:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1541829-w110-heckflosse-project-1966-200-a.html#post4326440

If you want to see the reason for my comment, jump to the end.

Dan


What a complete dork.  I didn't see any comments from you  Dan, but 
this guy is an ijit.


"mild porting and cam...?  Factory
good engine for the body   Factory
good wheels that fitFactory


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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Craig]

On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:07:47 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> To a beautiful W110:
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1541829-w110-heckflosse-project-1966-200-a.html#post4326440
> 
> If you want to see the reason for my comment, jump to the end.

You mean substituting later model aluminum wheels for the originals and a
1998 C230 engine for what it came with?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Mitch Haley]

Dan Penoff wrote:

To a beautiful W110:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1541829-w110-heckflosse-project-1966-200-a.html#post4326440


These late model wheels I want to use are offset 20mm too far and hit the 
steering arms, what can I do about that?

Here's the 16v engine from the C230 going in...

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] A Sad End

[Michael Canfield]

Aw geez..purists.  It's his and maybe it's not the end, or so sad.
Might be a really nice ride that he gets years of fun out of.

Mike
On Jun 6, 2013 8:07 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> To a beautiful W110:
>
>
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1541829-w110-heckflosse-project-1966-200-a.html#post4326440
>
> If you want to see the reason for my comment, jump to the end.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:

If it was made in USA, try Waterloo Industries, Waterloo IA  (home of 
john Deere)  They USED to make all the snears boxes.


I think every box in the USA (Snap-On, MAC, MATCO, Craftsman) used to come from 
there.
Now I wonder how many of them come from the sort of factory that Harbor Freight 
buys from.


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Re: [MBZ] June Jamboree this weekend

[Gerry Archer]

I've heard of plugging the weep hole (self tapping screw?  5 minute epoxy?)
and taking the bottom seal out of the water cap so the system won't build up
any pressure and excess water from heating will go out the overflow tube;
but I've never tried it or heard how well it worked.  On the old cars we
simply left the water cap loose but that tended to dump coolant out the top
of the radiator.  Not good for the paint if there is AF present.
Gerry

From: "Jaime Kopchinski" 

Looks like my leak is out of the small weep hole on the water pump.  It
only leaks under pressure, so its dry when the engine is cool.  I wonder
if
complete seal failure is next.  I'd still like to drive the car to get it
home, etc without a tow truck.

Jaime



On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


Yes, the M189 in a car with air suspension is about as good as it gets
for
vintage MBs.  I loved driving mine hard when I could.

My water pump failed at the main seal in front, and it literally gushed
coolant out if you put any in the system.

The coupling isn't all that bad to deal with, but the tricky part, or so
I
found, was driving the driven flange off the old pump shaft and on to the
new one without damaging it.  I had access to a bench press, which was a
BIG help, but it was still scary as the parts were pretty much
unobtainium.

It's funny now, but it wasn't at the time:

We all know how if one is working on a super critical part or assembly
that we get hypersensitive about everything we are doing - I was so wound
up when reassembling my pump that I put the driven flange on BACKWARDS
when
I reassembled it.

Talk about freaking out!  I was convinced I was going to destroy my new
$400 took Rusty 30 days to get it from Germany pump.  Not to mention the
driven flange, if I recall, is aluminum.

I spent a rather harrowing 20 minutes or so carefully pressing the flange
off and back on again in the proper orientation.  I had to take a bit of
a
breather when that was done.

Dan


On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Yeah, I'm a bit frightened about the pump.  It seems the most delicate
part
> is removing the flange that connects it to the drive coupler.  Looks
> like
> every part involved is at least $800, and a lot is NLA like you said.
 I'm
> hoping if I can get it apart, I can get replacement seals and rebuilt
> it
> myself.  Otherwise, some guy in Maryland has been advertising rebuilds
for
> under $400, which seems reasonable.
>
> First I really need to figure out where the leak is.  There are so many
> hoses on this engine which are difficult to access and see, I can't be
sure
> its the pump at all.
>
> But boy the M189 is a nice engine.  The power at highway speeds is
> really
> quite remarkable, the car just wants to go faster and faster.
>
> Jaime
>


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Re: [MBZ] June Jamboree this weekend

[Dan Penoff]

That's where mine started.  It went south really quick.

Dan


On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Looks like my leak is out of the small weep hole on the water pump.  It
> only leaks under pressure, so its dry when the engine is cool.  I wonder if
> complete seal failure is next.  I'd still like to drive the car to get it
> home, etc without a tow truck.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 


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[MBZ] A Sad End

[Dan Penoff]

To a beautiful W110:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/vintage-mercedes-benz/1541829-w110-heckflosse-project-1966-200-a.html#post4326440

If you want to see the reason for my comment, jump to the end.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Rear control arm needed

[MG]

One of the ones that was on there will probably be OK as the 
rubber is still good, other then some slight cracking. The other 
two from the SD rear end will not work as they are longer then 
the axles on the D and TD. I will probably put in the used one 
that is OK and maybe look to replace it later. The only problem 
with that is that it is more difficult to replace an axle while 
everything is in the car. Much easier to do it now with 
everything out.


Anyone have an opinion as to whether it is better to put the used 
axle back in in the original position or would it possibly last a 
bit longer on the other side as that way a slightly less worn set 
of surfaces will be in use when going forward.


Manfred


Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:45:32 -0500
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>


Any of the 4 used ones any good?



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

[Gerry Archer]

Toxoplasma gondi:
"The parasite can cause encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) and 
neurologic diseases, and can affect the heart, liver, inner ears, and eyes 
(chorioretinitis).  Recent research has also linked toxoplasmosis with 
attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, and 
schizophrenia.  Numerous studies found a positive correlation between latent 
toxoplasmosis and suicidal behavior in humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis
Gerry

From: "Andrew Strasfogel" 

For the record, I tilled in a binful of my cat-centric compost and planted
some cucumbers, with peppers and hopefully eggplant to follow.  If all 
goes

to plan, I will be a guinea pig for your theories about cat to human
transfer of toxoplasmosis, feline lukemia, or hairballs.



On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:07 AM, MG  wrote:


Now now Andrew. Don't be so sensitive. We have discussed a pile of
different Sh*t.

Manfred


Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:30:43 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel 

Or to be faithful to Canadian bilingualism, "a la merde des chats."

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Randy Bennell  
wrote:


> > Jeez, this list has just gone to sh*t the last few days.
> >
> > Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

[Gerry Archer]

Naw, these youngsters have been using that be-bop, jazz, hippy language so 
long they can't understand us when we speak real english.

Gerry

From: "WILTON" 

Maybe I need to start practicing.  ;<)

Wilton

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How does somebody born in 1930 sound?  ;<)


Ahruph!  Ack.  Horrrahh.  Grumble.  "Kids these days."

Sump'n like that?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

[Gerry Archer]

Possible Link Of Milorganite To Lou Gehrig's Disease Stirs Controversy
JAMES A. CARLSON , Associated Press
MILWAUKEE (AP) _ Sixty years ago, Milwaukee transformed a sewage disposal 
problem into a bonanza by pioneering a process that uses human and 
industrial wastes to make a nitrogen-rich fertilizer for commercial sale.
Now there are fears that heavy metal in the fertilizer, which earns the 
Metropolitan Sewerage District $6 million a year, may be linked to the fatal 
illness known as Lou Gehrig's disease.
Researchers caution, however, that there is as yet no evidence of a definite 
connection, that reports of a link are so far anecdotal, and that clusters 
of Gehrig's disease cases are not unusual.
The fertilizer, called Milorganite, has been produced since 1926 and was 
applied to fields used by professional football's San Francisco 49ers in the 
1960s.
Three members of the 1964 team contracted the neuromuscular disease, and two 
of them, Gary Lewis and Matt Hazeltine, have died. The third, Western 
Carolina University football coach Bob Waters, 48, is battling the disease, 
formally called amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or ALS.
The Milwaukee Sentinel reported recently that other ALS patients have told 
of some contact with Milorganite, and that of 155 sewer district employees 
who died since 1961, two died of ALS.

The normal incidence of ALS is two cases per 100,000 people.
Tom Kaczkowski, president of the union local representing the workers, said 
people who work with Milorganite should be concerned.
''It could be a very serious thing, but there's no concrete information 
yet,'' said Kaczkowski, who has worked occasionally with the fertilizer.
Medical researchers and producers of Milorganite agree there is no evidence 
of a definite connection with the disease. Part of the problem is the 
elusive nature of ALS, which causes a gradual breakdown of nerve cells that 
control muscles of the limbs and throat. Although ALS was recognized nearly 
a century ago, its causes are unknown.
Among its well-known victims were Lou Gehrig, the New York Yankees' first 
baseman who was stricken and died in 1941, and former Sen. Jacob Javits of 
New York, who died in March 1986.
Benjamin Brooks, director of the ALS Clinical Research Center at the 
University of Wisconsin-Madison, said reports of a possible link with 
Milorganite so far amount only to anecdotal evidence but helped spur plans 
for a study involving hundreds of patients in Wisconsin.
However, Brooks and other experts cautioned that clusters of ALS cases are 
not unusual.
''I'm a little uncomfortable about the way this has taken on headline 
proportions,'' said Dr. Neil J. Lewis, assistant director of research with 
the Muscular Dystrophy Association in New York City.
Investigations into past clusters found no causal factor, even in the case 
of three ALS victims who formerly taught school in the same Ohio classroom, 
Lewis said. The exception, Lewis said, is the high incidence of the disease 
on Guam, where an environmental factor in food and water is suspected.
''Our feeling is that it's always important to pursue background 
information'' of ALS patients, Lewis said, but he noted that no conclusive 
links have been made between ALS and heavy metals, such as those in 
Milorganite.
Brooks said heavy metals such as the cadmium in Milorganite are among many 
suspected links with ALS. Other possibilities include regular exposure to 
electrical shocks, certain viruses or abnormal immune system functions and 
regular, strenuous athletic activity.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency warned about high cadmium levels in 
Milorganite a decade ago, prompting Milwaukee's sewer district to begin a 
program requiring industrial pollution sources to reduce discharges of the 
material into the sewage system.
The program reduced the cadmium level to what the district considers a safe 
amount.
But the district has directed a ''group of national medical experts'' to 
review evidence and decide whether a full-scale study should be done. ''More 
light needs to be shed on the question,'' said Patrick Marchese, the 
district's executive director.
In 1926, the district opened what it said was the first large-scale, 
activated sewage sludge plant in the world. The sludge is preconditioned in 
an acid bath, vacuum-filtered to remove moisture and dried.
Thomas J. Hagerty, district spokesman, said about 60,000 dry tons of 
Milorganite is produced a year, with slightly less than half marketed in 40- 
pound bags and the rest sold in bulk. He said the recent publicity was not 
expected to affect plans to expand Milorganite production by about 25 
percent.


 
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From: "Curt Raymond" 

What method did you use to compost?
I use a big pile and let it rest for a year which should allow most 
baddies to die off. I don't compost poop (dog poo ge

Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Gerry Archer]

That would mean you are probably close to retirement age.  Do you plan to
retire or keep working?  Anyway, congratulations on a long and successful
marriage.
Gerry

From: "Randy Bennell" 

My good wife and I are celebrating the 44th anniversary of our first date
today. June 6, 1969.
Going to go out for dinner somewhere. Not sure where yet. Probably some
place with a good steak.
Randy

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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

[Gerry Archer]

Georgetown Traditions: What's A Hoya?
The origins of the word "Hoya" defy simple explanation. Over the years, some
have claimed it is an Indian word, while those of a legal mind thought it
related to the French word oyez, the traditional opening of judicial
sessions. Still others held that with Georgetown's location along a river,
Hoya might be an offshoot of the nautical "ahoy". None of these claims have
held water, so to speak.
The official explanation holds that there was a baseball team at Georgetown
called the "Stonewalls". It is suggested that a student, applying Greek and
Latin, dubbed the team the hoia saxa-- hoia is the Greek neuter plural for
"what" or "what a", while saxa is the Latin neuter plural for "rock".
Substituting a "y" for an "i"; "hoya saxa" literally means "what rocks".
To this day, however, no one has proven exactly when and under what
circumstances the yell originated. While there was a Stonewalls team between
1866 and 1873, an actual reference to the team is pure speculation. Some
have held that hoia saxa referred not to the team but its surroundings--the
team's field (the present site of Copley Lawn) was bounded by the College
Walls along 37th street. One theory holds that words such as saxa (Latin for
"rocks") were scribbled on the walls for years and a similar phrase may have
simply been adopted by fans of the baseball team.
The Hoya yell gained additional attention in 1920. In that year, a fledgling
student newspaper known as The Hilltopper petitioned Rev. Coleman Nevils,
S.J., Dean of the College, to change its name to The HOYA, a name said to be
more representative of the University. Nevils, who had championed naming the
Holy Cross student paper "The Hoia" without success in 1916,
enthusiastically approved the change.
As the college paper was often cited by sportswriters covering Georgetown
sports in the 1920's, it took only a few years for a nickname to be born. By
the fall of 1928, a HOYA sportswriter began to refer to the football team as
the "Hoyas" rather than its contemporary nickname of the "Hilltoppers". The
change was picked up by local writers as basketball season began, and Hoyas
became the official Georgetown nickname within a few years.
Among all college programs, only Georgetown University holds this unique
team nickname to which its students, faculty, alumni, and fans can take
pride in. But the Hoya yell did find its way into the fight songs of two
other Jesuit colleges: Holy Cross' "Hoiah, Holy Cross", and Marquette's
"Ring Out Ahoya". Each appears to have its roots, however distant, in the
yell begun on a college yard many years ago. In short, "Hoya" may be
difficult to define, but its tradition endures.

And that's "what" it's all about.

 http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/hoia.htm

Gerry
.


'Been wondering that, myself.
Wilton


Loren, where *do* you get this "hoya" stuff as a synonym for B.S.?



Don't have time for the story where I got the word, but as alex surmises
it stands for the S part of BS, but is not gender specific, and applies
only to large N.A mammals  Cattle, Bison and horse specifically.

It was a story told at scout camp many years ago, and involves the gummit
BIA rep

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Re: [MBZ] June Jamboree this weekend

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Looks like my leak is out of the small weep hole on the water pump.  It
only leaks under pressure, so its dry when the engine is cool.  I wonder if
complete seal failure is next.  I'd still like to drive the car to get it
home, etc without a tow truck.

Jaime



On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Yes, the M189 in a car with air suspension is about as good as it gets for
> vintage MBs.  I loved driving mine hard when I could.
>
> My water pump failed at the main seal in front, and it literally gushed
> coolant out if you put any in the system.
>
> The coupling isn't all that bad to deal with, but the tricky part, or so I
> found, was driving the driven flange off the old pump shaft and on to the
> new one without damaging it.  I had access to a bench press, which was a
> BIG help, but it was still scary as the parts were pretty much unobtainium.
>
> It's funny now, but it wasn't at the time:
>
> We all know how if one is working on a super critical part or assembly
> that we get hypersensitive about everything we are doing - I was so wound
> up when reassembling my pump that I put the driven flange on BACKWARDS when
> I reassembled it.
>
> Talk about freaking out!  I was convinced I was going to destroy my new
> $400 took Rusty 30 days to get it from Germany pump.  Not to mention the
> driven flange, if I recall, is aluminum.
>
> I spent a rather harrowing 20 minutes or so carefully pressing the flange
> off and back on again in the proper orientation.  I had to take a bit of a
> breather when that was done.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I'm a bit frightened about the pump.  It seems the most delicate
> part
> > is removing the flange that connects it to the drive coupler.  Looks like
> > every part involved is at least $800, and a lot is NLA like you said.
>  I'm
> > hoping if I can get it apart, I can get replacement seals and rebuilt it
> > myself.  Otherwise, some guy in Maryland has been advertising rebuilds
> for
> > under $400, which seems reasonable.
> >
> > First I really need to figure out where the leak is.  There are so many
> > hoses on this engine which are difficult to access and see, I can't be
> sure
> > its the pump at all.
> >
> > But boy the M189 is a nice engine.  The power at highway speeds is really
> > quite remarkable, the car just wants to go faster and faster.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[WILTON]

I was just kidding; I knew you'd take care of it with the "Mounties"/customs 
as necessary.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sears service?



On 06/06/2013 2:45 PM, WILTON wrote:
So, does the rear of your vehicle sag under the weight of contraband M1 
on the northbound crossing, or do the Mounties not notice?  ;<)


Wilton

No problem. So long as I pay the sales taxes at the border, I can bring a 
truck load if I like.

I normally just bring a couple of jugs at a time.
I run it in the truck and my wife's car but have not changed the 300D to 
it.
I only drive the car about 3K miles a year and change the oil annually so 
it seems a waste to use the good stuff.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Randy Bennell]

On 06/06/2013 2:45 PM, WILTON wrote:
So, does the rear of your vehicle sag under the weight of contraband 
M1 on the northbound crossing, or do the Mounties not notice?  ;<)


Wilton

No problem. So long as I pay the sales taxes at the border, I can bring 
a truck load if I like.

I normally just bring a couple of jugs at a time.
I run it in the truck and my wife's car but have not changed the 300D to it.
I only drive the car about 3K miles a year and change the oil annually 
so it seems a waste to use the good stuff.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[Mountain Man]

Chris wrote:
> Out of state (IL)...

That is a fairly new dealership.
They seem to also run a parts network of somesort.  I used to see
delivery van/truck with a website name that I forget, but connected to
the dealer there in St Charles.

Are you in IL?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[MG]

That sure wouldn't be much fun for us in Fl. Though it would do a 
bit to fill all the empty lakes around here. This storm though 
was way over-hyped. The normal thunderstorms around here are a 
lot worse. It may have been a bit worse at the shore though.


Gerry how was it over there?

Manfred


Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:02:54 -0400
From: Jaime Kopchinski 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 

Looks like they're predicting the same for up here in NJ. 
National Weather

Service puts out some good briefings with possible scenarios:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/FB_Briefings/WxBriefing_FB.pdf

Should be lots of rain in a short period of time, so flooding is 
always
possible in some places.  Storm surge and wind don't look like 
much to

worry about.

But, it is a bit concerning to have a tropical storm of any kind 
on this
track so early in the season.  Hopefully this isn't going to be 
come a

trend for the rest of the season.

Jaime

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[Mountain Man]

--R wrote:
> ...but upon probable cause...

We are about a dozen years too late.
We shoulda thought about this whole privacy infringement thing when we
thought there was probable cause, i.e. 911.  We have been raised as
sheople too long - the deed is done.  Agencies have been mining data
with the same purpose for over a dozen years, and just now we want to
complain about infringement?  Too late!!

Why do we make this infringement such a big issue?
We are being played.  The sheople in us wants to blame the stupid
repugnants or the progressives but both sides are being played.  We
should be putting thought and rhetoric toward who is doing the playing
and what is the next move?  To put it in vernacular that should only
be at banned... We are $%&*)!!!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Rear control arm needed

[Dieselhead]

Rain all day till a couple of hours ago. So I decided to go out and 
get the rest of the rear end done and maybe start getting it in. 
Found out that that ain't happening soon. Took out the old axles, 
one of which was real bad, went to put in the new ones I had bought 
a couple of years ago, FEQ. First one went in right nice. The other, 
not so much. turns out the shaft that goes into the differential is 
just slightly too big to fit into the bearing. Can't remember who I 
bought them from, not that that matters because it's way past the 30 
days or so that you have to return them. The only thing I see to do 
is buy another one. What I'm going to do with this one I have no 
idea. All in all not too good a day.


Bummed out,
Manfred
Time for some tequila, or more



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Re: [MBZ] Ramps Vicksburg

[Dieselhead]

I wonder whether they are the same as the "wild garlic" that sprouts up
everywhere here.


We went to the Vicksburg battlefield memorial park in the spring, and 
there were chives growing wild over a good share of the park.  Very 
tasty.


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Re: [MBZ] Rear control arm needed

[MG]

Rain all day till a couple of hours ago. So I decided to go out 
and get the rest of the rear end done and maybe start getting it 
in. Found out that that ain't happening soon. Took out the old 
axles, one of which was real bad, went to put in the new ones I 
had bought a couple of years ago, FEQ. First one went in right 
nice. The other, not so much. turns out the shaft that goes into 
the differential is just slightly too big to fit into the 
bearing. Can't remember who I bought them from, not that that 
matters because it's way past the 30 days or so that you have to 
return them. The only thing I see to do is buy another one. What 
I'm going to do with this one I have no idea. All in all not too 
good a day.


Bummed out,
Manfred
Time for some tequila, or more

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Re: [MBZ] Ramps

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I wonder whether they are the same as the "wild garlic" that sprouts up
everywhere here.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:24:36 -0700 clay  wrote:
>
> > Not the sort you drive up, but the stinky kind you eat.
> >
> > I had a shipmate send me out some ramps a number of years ago.
>
> Some information about ramps:
>
> http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/v5-449.html
> Cultivating Ramps: Wild Leeks of Appalachia
>
> http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=ALTR3
> PLANTS Profile for Allium tricoccum Aiton ramp
>
> http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/Plants.Folder/Ramp.html
> Ramp, Wild Leek (Allium tricocca)
> From THE WILD VEGETARIAN COOKBOOK
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allium_tricoccum
> Allium tricoccum
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Ramps

[Craig]

On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:24:36 -0700 clay  wrote:

> Not the sort you drive up, but the stinky kind you eat.
> 
> I had a shipmate send me out some ramps a number of years ago.

Some information about ramps:

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/v5-449.html
Cultivating Ramps: Wild Leeks of Appalachia 

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=ALTR3
PLANTS Profile for Allium tricoccum Aiton ramp

http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/Plants.Folder/Ramp.html
Ramp, Wild Leek (Allium tricocca)
>From THE WILD VEGETARIAN COOKBOOK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allium_tricoccum
Allium tricoccum


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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon....

[Andrew Strasfogel]

D'Oh, etc.  Yes, the SLS works.  The car sits high off the ground and all
moving parts have been replaced except the struts, which don't leak and are
therefore still good..

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Self leveling suspension. If it doesn't work or this is the one that had
> it removed you're dreaming of 5 figures.
>
> Actually I think you're kind of dreaming of 5 figures anyway with
> mis-matched parts in the car and the kind of mileage we're talking about.
> If its really nice $6k doesn't seem unreasonable. I'd expect selling such
> at thing and looking for top dollar to be an intensely frustrating exercise
> as perspective buyers will pick it to death.
>
> Interestingly NADA says $5700 - $15900, quite a spread...
>
> Too rich for my blood anyway. My next car will probably be a step up from
> my standard $1500 almost-hoopty but if its an old car it'll probably be a
> $3,000 nearly hoopty.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:38:08 -0400
> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> What SLS? It has all the bumpers if that's what you mean.
>
> Don't laugh, but I want as close to 5 figures as I can get.
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> > Working SLS?
> >
> > How much is this gem going to cost?
> >
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Andrew Strasfogel]

That's a very handsome pooch indeed.  Does he have a booking agent?

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> He's a great dog.
> Corgi/daschund/bassett hound, looks a bit like a really short black lab
> but with a much more square head. You can tell real dog people because they
> don't just automatically ask if he's part lab.
>
> http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/DSCF0024.jpg
> http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/buster.jpg in the
> back of my '85 190D the night before one of the ChowdaQs.(2010?) (MB
> content)
>
>
> http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ2012/IMG_1333_zps099bf4de.jpg-
>  At ChowdaQ 2012
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:41:04 -0400
> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT
> Message-ID:
> 
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>
> Buster is a great name.  What sort of hound is he?  Any photos?  Does he
> blow isce cold air?
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> > Angie and I started dating 17 years ago on July 5th. Married 12 years
> Sept
> > 30th.
> >
> > The house is 75 years old or there abouts. Buster the dog is 6. :p
> >
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Andrew Strasfogel]

There used to be a great Brit TV spy show about MI-5 called The Sandbaggers
starring Robson Green.  Robson now hosts Extreme Fishing on the Velocity
channel.  EF is one of my favorite shows.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> I'd stack them out there along the edge of the high ground but I doubt
> they would stay in place unless I staked them down, and that would probably
> make too much noise.  You should try to compost them, do us all a favor.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 6/6/13 3:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Rich, D.C. has large numbers of unemployed sandbaggers so we'd be happy to
>> ship some of their product to protect your mansion on the marshlans.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Rich Thomas]

I'd stack them out there along the edge of the high ground but I doubt 
they would stay in place unless I staked them down, and that would 
probably make too much noise.  You should try to compost them, do us all 
a favor.


--R


On 6/6/13 3:36 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Rich, D.C. has large numbers of unemployed sandbaggers so we'd be happy to
ship some of their product to protect your mansion on the marshlans.





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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Curt Raymond]

He's a great dog.
Corgi/daschund/bassett hound, looks a bit like a really short black lab but 
with a much more square head. You can tell real dog people because they don't 
just automatically ask if he's part lab.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/DSCF0024.jpg
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/buster.jpg in the back of 
my '85 190D the night before one of the ChowdaQs.(2010?) (MB content)

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ2012/IMG_1333_zps099bf4de.jpg
 - At ChowdaQ 2012

-Curt

Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:41:04 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel 
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Buster is a great name.  What sort of hound is he?  Any photos?  Does he
blow isce cold air?

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Angie and I started dating 17 years ago on July 5th. Married 12 years Sept
> 30th.
>
> The house is 75 years old or there abouts. Buster the dog is 6. :p
>
> -Curt

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[MBZ] Ramps

[clay]

Not the sort you drive up, but the stinky kind you eat.

I had a shipmate send me out some ramps a number of years ago.  There were more 
than a person should be made to eat and the stench was not to SWMBA liking.  I 
gobbled as many as I possibly could and in an assortment of dishes until 
everybody refused anything I made with a ramp in it.  What the heck was I to do 
with at least a pound of ramps going bad?

I intended to sneak a few into the local forests on spring scouting trips for 
fall hunts.  I was not able to hit the field that spring, so I seem to have 
tossed a few of the ramps into my garden.  I do know I planted a bunch along my 
property line in an attempt to make a royal stench, as my neighbor is a jerk.

Fast forward eight years.  I have been taking the garlic cloves that start to 
sprout and poking them into my garden.  For the past five years I have been 
trying to harvest said garlic.  Damn stuff comes out looking like elephant 
garlic, so it is not breeding true.  I tried plucking the plants up sooner to 
attempt to catch them at a stage where the heads are standard size.  That never 
happens.  The plant is either a bulb or a massive head of allium.  Crap!

So the neighbor I do like comes over one day and asks if I would be willing to 
let her harvest the leeks in my garden.  I have NEVER planted a leek in my life 
to my knowledge.  I go out and have her point out what she has identified as a 
leek.  It is the damn what I thought was garlic.  Look this plant up in garden 
books and it is more leek than a garlic and ... So, she takes a bunch and makes 
her potato leek soup.  She tells me it tastes funny, not really leeky, a bit 
strong.

I think back.  A bit strong?  Not a true garlic smell when you harvest or use 
the heads to cook with.  It is not a garlic, looks like a leek, must be some 
unknown sort that I would never have planted.  Then I take some sweet tea and a 
5 gallon bucket and sit with the plant until I figure out the climate here must 
mirror the Carolina and Virginia mountains.  Must be a ramp.  I will know 
better next March when I see if they taste like a ramp.




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1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon....

[Curt Raymond]

Self leveling suspension. If it doesn't work or this is the one that had it 
removed you're dreaming of 5 figures.

Actually I think you're kind of dreaming of 5 figures anyway with mis-matched 
parts in the car and the kind of mileage we're talking about. If its really 
nice $6k doesn't seem unreasonable. I'd expect selling such at thing and 
looking for top dollar to be an intensely frustrating exercise as perspective 
buyers will pick it to death.

Interestingly NADA says $5700 - $15900, quite a spread...

Too rich for my blood anyway. My next car will probably be a step up from my 
standard $1500 almost-hoopty but if its an old car it'll probably be a $3,000 
nearly hoopty.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:38:08 -0400
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What SLS? It has all the bumpers if that's what you mean.

Don't laugh, but I want as close to 5 figures as I can get.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Working SLS?
>
> How much is this gem going to cost?
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[John Reames]

Somewhere I saw a video of a border collie (attempting to) herd (farm) cats.

If only I were possessed of that degree of patience in the face of such a 
hopeless task.

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On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:19, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

> Get the car with the border collie.  They are great dogs!  I grew up with
> one in NYC that treated humans as sheep and tried to herd them. This
> involved rooting under ladies' dresses with his snout.  Screams ensured,
> but not much hilarity except from me.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:45 AM, clay  wrote:
> 
>> At the moment I am doing battle with SWMBA over the replacement for the
>> E300.  I would prefer it just get fixed and life go on, but she has a bug
>> up her ... bonnet, that a more reliable car be found.  These fit my taste.
>> What should I be aware of, and which should be avoided?
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3844133766.html
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3785410731.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3825744594.html
>> 
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3836775453.html
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/3838172819.html
>> 
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3840018790.html
>> 
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3784349504.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away

[John Reames]

Tell her that 210's are rust buckets and a 123 will be around long after the 
210 is swept up.

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On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:56, Michael Canfield  wrote:

> Tell her that no matter how much cash you spend there is no guarantee that
> even a brand new car will be more reliable.  Just fix the E and call it a
> day.  She'll quit whining when you buy her nice things with the car payment
> money...lol
> 
> Mikd
> On Jun 6, 2013 1:45 AM, "clay"  wrote:
> 
>> At the moment I am doing battle with SWMBA over the replacement for the
>> E300.  I would prefer it just get fixed and life go on, but she has a bug
>> up her ... bonnet, that a more reliable car be found.  These fit my taste.
>> What should I be aware of, and which should be avoided?
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3844133766.html
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3785410731.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3825744594.html
>> 
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3836775453.html
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/3838172819.html
>> 
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3840018790.html
>> 
>> 
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3784349504.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[WILTON]

So, does the rear of your vehicle sag under the weight of contraband M1 on 
the northbound crossing, or do the Mounties not notice?  ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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On 06/06/2013 1:13 PM, Dieselhead wrote:


That is what I find disturbing about the current retail business.
They advertise competitive prices on the bigger items but rob you blind 
on the smaller ones that are not advertised.


Randy


THat is the walton way.  Sam tells ya he is giving you the best deal, and 
robs you blind except for the advertised stuff.


Anything that is not on sale, I can by for the same or less elsewhere 
(generally)  Reason # 6978 of why I don't go to wallyland often


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I buy it in Grand Forks ND at WalMart and it is about half what I might 
pay for it hear, about 125 miles north.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

[Andrew Strasfogel]

same thing

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> How odd -  she said the wame thing about you!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
>
>> But your political views are usually full of the merde!
>>
>> BTW yesterday I went to a SC Supreme Court hearing with a friend who is a
>> rabid leftie lib unionist teacher from NY, and we had a great time.  I
>> asked her some questions about her views on current matters, and as
>> predicted her answers were lacking in depth or relevant facts, and made
>> little sense.  She was not interested in exploring things in any depth
>> beyond her cursory responses of the party line, so that was disappointing
>> but not unexpected.  I was nice to her though as I think she might have
>> some potential to wise up, sometime.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> On 6/6/13 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>>> Like I say, I am living proof there is no harm done, unless you regard
>>> political views as a medical condition obtained from leftist cats.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That last part isn't quite true if you're using cat poo in your compost.
 The cat's digestion isn't 100% complete and cat food should be almost
 100%
 meat with little in the way of filler. Dog food by comparison is mostly
 filler (well, cheap dog food anyway, not the stuff we buy) with a little
 meat. Dog food can kill cats as they can't digest the filler.

 Theres all kinds of animal proteins in your compost.

 -Curt

 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:12:29 -0400
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  >>> mail.gmail.com
 >
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 I use an Earth Bin.  The stuff is all less than 1 year old but by the
 time
 I ingest any of the veggies grown on the plot it will have been1 year or
 more from date of inception.  I never use animal protein of any sort.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

[Andrew Strasfogel]

How odd -  she said the wame thing about you!



On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> But your political views are usually full of the merde!
>
> BTW yesterday I went to a SC Supreme Court hearing with a friend who is a
> rabid leftie lib unionist teacher from NY, and we had a great time.  I
> asked her some questions about her views on current matters, and as
> predicted her answers were lacking in depth or relevant facts, and made
> little sense.  She was not interested in exploring things in any depth
> beyond her cursory responses of the party line, so that was disappointing
> but not unexpected.  I was nice to her though as I think she might have
> some potential to wise up, sometime.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 6/6/13 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Like I say, I am living proof there is no harm done, unless you regard
>> political views as a medical condition obtained from leftist cats.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That last part isn't quite true if you're using cat poo in your compost.
>>> The cat's digestion isn't 100% complete and cat food should be almost
>>> 100%
>>> meat with little in the way of filler. Dog food by comparison is mostly
>>> filler (well, cheap dog food anyway, not the stuff we buy) with a little
>>> meat. Dog food can kill cats as they can't digest the filler.
>>>
>>> Theres all kinds of animal proteins in your compost.
>>>
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:12:29 -0400
>>> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders
>>> Message-ID:
>>>  >> mail.gmail.com
>>> >
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> I use an Earth Bin.  The stuff is all less than 1 year old but by the
>>> time
>>> I ingest any of the veggies grown on the plot it will have been1 year or
>>> more from date of inception.  I never use animal protein of any sort.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon....

[Randy Bennell]

On 06/06/2013 12:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

What SLS? It has all the bumpers if that's what you mean.

Don't laugh, but I want as close to 5 figures as I can get.




Hmmm - $100.00 - that is 5, right?

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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Rich, D.C. has large numbers of unemployed sandbaggers so we'd be happy to
ship some of their product to protect your mansion on the marshlans.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> This was a storm that developed in the Gulf and is moving up along the
> coast, not an uncommon occurrence -- it is not an Atlantic storm (which
> come across from Africa).  It is a minimal TS, it will rain a lot, maybe
> blow a bit, but just matter of course here on the fringe.
>
> I am more worried that it is a new moon high tide, +6.7 here tonight and
> tomorrow night which is higher than "normal" so if there is any surge there
> will be a lot of flooding.  Charleston will probably be kayak territory
> tomorrow as it floods on spring tides, and if there is any rain at all,
> nowhere near 4 or 5" it will be flooded all over the place.
>
> Here on the marsh we will likely get some very high tides, last night we
> had about 2" of rain and it is wet out there at low tide now from all the
> runoff.  The breeze is freshening a bit and it is starting to sprinkle a
> bit, most will be moving in later tonight, and might strengthen a bit as it
> gets to the east coast and gets more warm and moisture off the water.
>
> --R
>
> On 6/6/13 2:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> I agree.  We seldom get June heavy rains in the mid Atlantic.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

[Rich Thomas]

But your political views are usually full of the merde!

BTW yesterday I went to a SC Supreme Court hearing with a friend who is 
a rabid leftie lib unionist teacher from NY, and we had a great time.  I 
asked her some questions about her views on current matters, and as 
predicted her answers were lacking in depth or relevant facts, and made 
little sense.  She was not interested in exploring things in any depth 
beyond her cursory responses of the party line, so that was 
disappointing but not unexpected.  I was nice to her though as I think 
she might have some potential to wise up, sometime.


--R


On 6/6/13 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Like I say, I am living proof there is no harm done, unless you regard
political views as a medical condition obtained from leftist cats.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


That last part isn't quite true if you're using cat poo in your compost.
The cat's digestion isn't 100% complete and cat food should be almost 100%
meat with little in the way of filler. Dog food by comparison is mostly
filler (well, cheap dog food anyway, not the stuff we buy) with a little
meat. Dog food can kill cats as they can't digest the filler.

Theres all kinds of animal proteins in your compost.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:12:29 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders
Message-ID:
 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I use an Earth Bin.  The stuff is all less than 1 year old but by the time
I ingest any of the veggies grown on the plot it will have been1 year or
more from date of inception.  I never use animal protein of any sort.

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Randy Bennell]

On 06/06/2013 1:13 PM, Dieselhead wrote:


That is what I find disturbing about the current retail business.
They advertise competitive prices on the bigger items but rob you 
blind on the smaller ones that are not advertised.


Randy


THat is the walton way.  Sam tells ya he is giving you the best deal, 
and robs you blind except for the advertised stuff.


Anything that is not on sale, I can by for the same or less elsewhere 
(generally)  Reason # 6978 of why I don't go to wallyland often


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I buy it in Grand Forks ND at WalMart and it is about half what I might 
pay for it hear, about 125 miles north.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] 69 years A Reminder

[Randy Bennell]

Interesting little story from the book that I cannot recall hearing before.

Churchill wanted to take the offensive but it was too early to go take 
France. mid 1942. He pushed the military folks to do something. They 
came up with the idea of a commando raid on a big drydock in France a 
few miles up the Loire R. (don't quote me on the names as the spelling 
might be off!). It was built for the Normandie cruise ship which had 
burned in New York a month or more earlier,  but it was the only known 
drydock big enough to fit the Turpitz (sp again) which was a sister to 
the Bismark. Churchill thought that if they could knock out this 
drydock, then Hitler would be less willing to send the big boat out 
after the convoys in the Atlantic because there would be no place to run 
to for repairs if it became necessary. So they loaded an old US destoyer 
obtained in the early lend/lease program with tons of dynamite in the 
bows and sailed it up the river in the dark and rammed the doors on the 
drydock. They then scuttled the ship and made their escape. The dynamite 
was supposed to blow soon after they left but the fuse did not work. The 
Germans showed up and spent the day examining the boat and taking photos 
to send home etc. There were several hundred of them on board when the 
fuse kicked in and blew them all to you know where.


Churchill was right and Hitler did not send the big boat out. Turpitz 
basically sat in a fjord in Norway waiting for a British attack that 
never came until it was sunk by Lancaster bombers in 1944.


Basically from memory as I do not have the book here. So, if you search 
and find my details are not accurate, remember that I did my best.


Randy

On 06/06/2013 12:55 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
We can learn a lot about leadership by studying Churchill, Patton and 
TR (up through his first term)  (after that, it seems he went over the 
cliff, so to speak)


You don't need much more that that listed, because once you get into 
learning about Patton, you will want to read about many others, as he 
did.  I love the part in the movie where he sez to Rommel (who is way 
to far away to hear), " ...I read your book!






I am about half way through the 3rd and final volume of a biography 
of Winston Churchill written by William Manchester - The Last Lion.
He wrote the 2 earlier volumes many years ago and I read them then. I 
waited and watched for the final one and have about given up.
Thankfully, Manchester realized that he needed help and enlisted the 
assistance of another writer whose name escapes me at the moment - 
Paul something I believe.
Manchester subsequently died and the new fellow finished the book and 
it bears both of their names.


This 3rd volume begins when Churchill becomes Prime Minister at the 
outset of WW2.
I am halfway through the book and we are only up to 1942. The 
Americans have been beaten up by the Japanese but have not done much 
in the war as yet.
Roosevelt is trying to gear up industry to produce the tanks, planes 
etc that are needed to do battle and to develop the manpower too.
Hitler is already stalled in Russia and Stalin is demanding that he 
get to keep a bunch of new territory after the war.
Churchill and Roosevelt are none too happy about that but need Stalin 
to keep Hitler occupied while they try to build up enough military 
might to go after him.
Japan has taken over the Pacific and things look pretty bad out 
there. Rommel is taking North Africa etc.
Churchill is being criticized by his political enemies at home due to 
the failure of the military to hang on to the far eastern parts of 
the empire, Singapore etc.


A bit slow going at this point but should get better.

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Randy Bennell]

On 06/06/2013 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Angie and I started dating 17 years ago on July 5th. Married 12 years Sept 30th.

The house is 75 years old or there abouts. Buster the dog is 6. :p

-Curt



Cool!

Barbara and I will have been married 40 years come August.
Our house is almost 32 years old. We bought it new in 1981. The basement 
was poured around the beginning of July and we got keys in late September.
Ben, our dog will be 10 in July. He is a Bichon so he should be good for 
another 5 or more years.

He is slowing a little but still in pretty good shape.
Our boys are 28 and 24.

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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Rich Thomas]

This was a storm that developed in the Gulf and is moving up along the 
coast, not an uncommon occurrence -- it is not an Atlantic storm (which 
come across from Africa).  It is a minimal TS, it will rain a lot, maybe 
blow a bit, but just matter of course here on the fringe.


I am more worried that it is a new moon high tide, +6.7 here tonight and 
tomorrow night which is higher than "normal" so if there is any surge 
there will be a lot of flooding.  Charleston will probably be kayak 
territory tomorrow as it floods on spring tides, and if there is any 
rain at all, nowhere near 4 or 5" it will be flooded all over the place.


Here on the marsh we will likely get some very high tides, last night we 
had about 2" of rain and it is wet out there at low tide now from all 
the runoff.  The breeze is freshening a bit and it is starting to 
sprinkle a bit, most will be moving in later tonight, and might 
strengthen a bit as it gets to the east coast and gets more warm and 
moisture off the water.


--R

On 6/6/13 2:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I agree.  We seldom get June heavy rains in the mid Atlantic.





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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I agree.  We seldom get June heavy rains in the mid Atlantic.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> Looks like they're predicting the same for up here in NJ.  National Weather
> Service puts out some good briefings with possible scenarios:
> http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/FB_Briefings/WxBriefing_FB.pdf
>
> Should be lots of rain in a short period of time, so flooding is always
> possible in some places.  Storm surge and wind don't look like much to
> worry about.
>
> But, it is a bit concerning to have a tropical storm of any kind on this
> track so early in the season.  Hopefully this isn't going to be come a
> trend for the rest of the season.
>
> Jaime
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>
> > We are in the thick of it right now.
> >
> > Torrential rain, a little wind, but nothing of real significance.  Much
> > ado about nothing, IMHO.
> >
> > I rushed out last night to cut my grass, as with the rather heavy daily
> > rain we have had for almost a week it has grown rather tall. I feared if
> I
> > waited until this weekend my mighty Honda walk behind would not have cut
> > it, literally and figuratively.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Max  wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, the weather guessers are breathless with anticipation.  Our
> weather
> > alert radio sounded the alarm promptly at 0600 this morning, woke up the
> > whole house.  The weather app on my smartphone reminds me every fifteen
> > minutes about flooding and the tropical storm approaching.  If you don't
> > hear from me again, Andrea must have washed us out to sea
> > > --
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston, SC
> > > '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> > >
> > > Rich Thomas  wrote:
> > >
> > >> if you live near the coast, looks like Andrea is paying a visit!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/090936.shtml?5-daynl#contents
> > >>
> > >> And a new moon high tide to go with it.
> > >>
> > >> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jun 6, 2013 9:19 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:
>
> Lowes and Home Depot hang on for
> reasons I don't understand. I come
> out of those places angry every time.

Me too.  They try to appeal to DIYers in their advertising, but Home Depot
in particular makes their real money on contractors.  Shoddy materials for
shoddy houses.

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Dieselhead]

That is what I find disturbing about the current retail business.
They advertise competitive prices on the bigger items but rob you 
blind on the smaller ones that are not advertised.


Randy


THat is the walton way.  Sam tells ya he is giving you the best deal, 
and robs you blind except for the advertised stuff.


Anything that is not on sale, I can by for the same or less elsewhere 
(generally)  Reason # 6978 of why I don't go to wallyland often


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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Looks like they're predicting the same for up here in NJ.  National Weather
Service puts out some good briefings with possible scenarios:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/FB_Briefings/WxBriefing_FB.pdf

Should be lots of rain in a short period of time, so flooding is always
possible in some places.  Storm surge and wind don't look like much to
worry about.

But, it is a bit concerning to have a tropical storm of any kind on this
track so early in the season.  Hopefully this isn't going to be come a
trend for the rest of the season.

Jaime



On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> We are in the thick of it right now.
>
> Torrential rain, a little wind, but nothing of real significance.  Much
> ado about nothing, IMHO.
>
> I rushed out last night to cut my grass, as with the rather heavy daily
> rain we have had for almost a week it has grown rather tall. I feared if I
> waited until this weekend my mighty Honda walk behind would not have cut
> it, literally and figuratively.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Max  wrote:
>
> > Yes, the weather guessers are breathless with anticipation.  Our weather
> alert radio sounded the alarm promptly at 0600 this morning, woke up the
> whole house.  The weather app on my smartphone reminds me every fifteen
> minutes about flooding and the tropical storm approaching.  If you don't
> hear from me again, Andrea must have washed us out to sea
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston, SC
> > '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> >
> > Rich Thomas  wrote:
> >
> >> if you live near the coast, looks like Andrea is paying a visit!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/090936.shtml?5-daynl#contents
> >>
> >> And a new moon high tide to go with it.
> >>
> >> --R
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Re: [MBZ] 69 years A Reminder

[Dieselhead]

We can learn a lot about leadership by studying Churchill, Patton and 
TR (up through his first term)  (after that, it seems he went over 
the cliff, so to speak)


You don't need much more that that listed, because once you get into 
learning about Patton, you will want to read about many others, as he 
did.  I love the part in the movie where he sez to Rommel (who is way 
to far away to hear), " ...I read your book!






I am about half way through the 3rd and final volume of a biography 
of Winston Churchill written by William Manchester - The Last Lion.
He wrote the 2 earlier volumes many years ago and I read them then. 
I waited and watched for the final one and have about given up.
Thankfully, Manchester realized that he needed help and enlisted the 
assistance of another writer whose name escapes me at the moment - 
Paul something I believe.
Manchester subsequently died and the new fellow finished the book 
and it bears both of their names.


This 3rd volume begins when Churchill becomes Prime Minister at the 
outset of WW2.
I am halfway through the book and we are only up to 1942. The 
Americans have been beaten up by the Japanese but have not done much 
in the war as yet.
Roosevelt is trying to gear up industry to produce the tanks, planes 
etc that are needed to do battle and to develop the manpower too.
Hitler is already stalled in Russia and Stalin is demanding that he 
get to keep a bunch of new territory after the war.
Churchill and Roosevelt are none too happy about that but need 
Stalin to keep Hitler occupied while they try to build up enough 
military might to go after him.
Japan has taken over the Pacific and things look pretty bad out 
there. Rommel is taking North Africa etc.
Churchill is being criticized by his political enemies at home due 
to the failure of the military to hang on to the far eastern parts 
of the empire, Singapore etc.


A bit slow going at this point but should get better.

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[Max]

Aye, the good Lord willing!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

>Much hype about nothing, is what I predict.  This is way too early for
>a
>hurricane-type storm.
>
>On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Max  wrote:
>
>> Yes, the weather guessers are breathless with anticipation.  Our
>weather
>> alert radio sounded the alarm promptly at 0600 this morning, woke up
>the
>> whole house.  The weather app on my smartphone reminds me every
>fifteen
>> minutes about flooding and the tropical storm approaching.  If you
>don't
>> hear from me again, Andrea must have washed us out to sea
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston, SC
>> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>>
>> Rich Thomas  wrote:
>>
>> >if you live near the coast, looks like Andrea is paying a visit!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/090936.shtml?5-daynl#contents
>> >
>> >And a new moon high tide to go with it.
>> >
>> >--R
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Buster is a great name.  What sort of hound is he?  Any photos?  Does he
blow isce cold air?

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Angie and I started dating 17 years ago on July 5th. Married 12 years Sept
> 30th.
>
> The house is 75 years old or there abouts. Buster the dog is 6. :p
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:47:42 -0400
> From: "WILTON" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT
> Message-ID: <09C06503CFAE4A7FBF831E8E7DEDA35F@wiltonPC>
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>
> 60? here.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dan Penoff" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT
>
>
> > Congrats!
> >
> > Working on 32+ at my house...
> >
> > Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Like I say, I am living proof there is no harm done, unless you regard
political views as a medical condition obtained from leftist cats.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> That last part isn't quite true if you're using cat poo in your compost.
> The cat's digestion isn't 100% complete and cat food should be almost 100%
> meat with little in the way of filler. Dog food by comparison is mostly
> filler (well, cheap dog food anyway, not the stuff we buy) with a little
> meat. Dog food can kill cats as they can't digest the filler.
>
> Theres all kinds of animal proteins in your compost.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:12:29 -0400
> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I use an Earth Bin.  The stuff is all less than 1 year old but by the time
> I ingest any of the veggies grown on the plot it will have been1 year or
> more from date of inception.  I never use animal protein of any sort.
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon....

[Andrew Strasfogel]

What SLS? It has all the bumpers if that's what you mean.

Don't laugh, but I want as close to 5 figures as I can get.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Working SLS?
>
> How much is this gem going to cost?
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:28:18 -0400
> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Self-promotion alert.
>
> I will soon be surplussing my 1983 300TD, with 330,000 miles on the
> odometer but replacement drive train with 225 k miles on 1983 engine and
> 1985 transmission.  White with blue leather (yes!) and factory third seat
> + rear headrests.  Great, clean driver with pep and superior handling; no
> rust and mechanically sound.  Everything works. An appreciating classic
> owned by a long time list and MBCA member.  Currently titled D.C. but can
> drive anywhere, anytime.
> The sale of this icon will only benefit me and no one else.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

[Curt Raymond]

That last part isn't quite true if you're using cat poo in your compost. The 
cat's digestion isn't 100% complete and cat food should be almost 100% meat 
with little in the way of filler. Dog food by comparison is mostly filler 
(well, cheap dog food anyway, not the stuff we buy) with a little meat. Dog 
food can kill cats as they can't digest the filler.

Theres all kinds of animal proteins in your compost.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:12:29 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel 
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I use an Earth Bin.  The stuff is all less than 1 year old but by the time
I ingest any of the veggies grown on the plot it will have been1 year or
more from date of inception.  I never use animal protein of any sort.

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Curt Raymond]

Angie and I started dating 17 years ago on July 5th. Married 12 years Sept 30th.

The house is 75 years old or there abouts. Buster the dog is 6. :p

-Curt

Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 12:47:42 -0400
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60? here.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT


> Congrats!
>
> Working on 32+ at my house...
>
> Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Curt Raymond]

We have a sporting goods/clothing store (Sams in Swanzy, NH) that has popcorn. 
Its a good place because my wife can shop for clothes while I look at guns, 
bows, tents and such and eat popcorn.

Curt

Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:44:44 -0400
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That's why I like my local Ace Hardware. It's all of maybe five minutes away (I 
have big box stores like Loews and HD maybe 15 minutes away in two directions) 
and they have nearly everything I need unless it's really unique.

Plus they have free popcorn. The wife gets a bag of popcorn every time I go 
there. I told one of the old duffers that works there the only reason I get to 
go there was because I brought home popcorn

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Russ Williams]

Congratulations
SWMBO and I celebrated 45th Anniversary on the 28th of May.

Russ W.
On 6/6/2013 11:10, Randy Bennell wrote:
My good wife and I are celebrating the 44th anniversary of our first 
date today. June 6, 1969.
Going to go out for dinner somewhere. Not sure where yet. Probably 
some place with a good steak.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

[Andrew Strasfogel]

 I use an Earth Bin.  The stuff is all less than 1 year old but by the time
I ingest any of the veggies grown on the plot it will have been1 year or
more from date of inception.  I never use animal protein of any sort.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> What method did you use to compost?
> I use a big pile and let it rest for a year which should allow most
> baddies to die off. I don't compost poop (dog poo gets spread under a maple
> tree) but I do compost meat, milk, yogurt and all sorts of other stuff
> thats "bad".
>
> Above ground plants (i.e. not radishes, carrots, potatoes and the like)
> should at least in theory have less chance of passing on stuff from your
> compost. I suppose the greatest risk is from touching the soil.
>
> The field across the street from my parent's house has been spread with
> sewer sludge as long as anyone can remember. I used to fly kites in that
> field. We would of course wait for the sludge to get rained on and dry out
> good before heading over but it doesn't seem to have hurt me any.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:16:12 -0400
> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> For the record, I tilled in a binful of my cat-centric compost and planted
> some cucumbers, with peppers and hopefully eggplant to follow.  If all goes
> to plan, I will be a guinea pig for your theories about cat to human
> transfer of toxoplasmosis, feline lukemia, or hairballs.
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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

[Dieselhead]

'Been wondering that, myself.

Wilton






Loren, where *do* you get this "hoya" stuff as a synonym for B.S.?



Don't have time for the story where I got the word, but as alex 
surmises it stands for the S part of BS, but is not gender specific, 
and applies only to large N.A mammals  Cattle, Bison and horse 
specifically.


It was a story told at scout camp many years ago, and involves the 
gummit BIA rep


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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Fude is Fun and the food is great..

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:47 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> 60½ here.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" 
>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT
>
>
>
> Congrats!
>>
>> Working on 32+ at my house...
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>>
>> My good wife and I are celebrating the 44th anniversary of our first date
>>> today. June 6, 1969.
>>> Going to go out for dinner somewhere. Not sure where yet. Probably some
>>> place with a good steak.
>>>
>>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Opine away - Limited Edition 190E

[Chris James]

No, that is a real "Limited Edition"! The seller does note that he 
wrapped the original trim due to cracking, it's very similar to the 
original though. I'm surprised you've never heard of them or seen one. 
700 each were produced of the 190E 2.3 & 2.6 for the '93 MY. There was 
no charge for the additional equipment totaling around $3K, a steal really!


The 2.3 came in monotone metallic emerald green w/ cream beige leather & 
additional burl wood trim, the 2.6 in two tone black w/ black & red 
leather sport seats & carbon fiber trim. Easily recognizable by the 8 
hole rims & headlight wipers, which at the time were either not 
available (in the case if the rims) or rarely seen on the standard 190.


Despite the handling upgrades & sport seats/trim on the 2.6 Limited 
Edition it did not have "Sportline" exterior badging, also the standard 
model designation was omitted on the trunk lid of both models. The 2.6 
did have a Sportline gearshift knob though.



"A look back at the 1993 Mercedes 190E 2.6 Limited Edition - a classic 
ahead of its time."


http://www.examiner.com/article/a-look-back-at-the-1993-mercedes-190e-2-6-limited-edition-a-classic-ahead-of-its-time


On 6/6/2013 7:54 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Chris James wrote:


1993 Limited Edition 190E 2.6 (Very nice!):
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/3836344982.html



Why no Sportline badges on the front fenders?
Did the Sportline seats have those red inserts in them in 1993?
I'd have to take a close look at my 16v and 2.5 turbo before I could say
whether it's got the Sportline sized steering wheel.

The shift knob doesn't look leather, but I'm not familiar with auto
tranny Sportlines, I always used to look for manuals.

I don't think those wheels came from a W201.
That 'carbon fiber' in the dash looks aftermarket to me.

I'm thinking that somebody got a hold of a four passenger seat set and
modified a non-Sportline car's interior, and stuck W124 wheels on it.

Mitch.





--
Chris J.

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Re: [MBZ] 69 years A Reminder

[WILTON]

Absolutely!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 69 years A Reminder


>My brother, Lewis Clyde Strickland, then 21 and with 3 1/2 yrs in the US 
>Navy, was the senior noncommissioned officer (NCO)/leader of a 48-man 
>platoon of the 6th Naval Beach Battalion that went ashore on Omaha Beach, 
>France, at 0730 on the 6th of June, 1944, to clear obstacles, secure the 
>beach and control traffic to, from and on the beach.  The unit was 
>composed of many specialties, including, demolition, signalmen, radiomen, 
>riflemen, medics, bulldozer operators and others - whatever necessary to 
>manage the beach.  They wore army combat uniforms and trained with the 
>Army for the invasion.  The only thing visible to distinguish them from 
>army troops was an arc painted across the front of their helmets.  Most 
>of the men in his platoon were teenagers just 17, 18 and 19 years old.  A 
>few of the older men had been in the invasion of Sicily and a few, such 
>as  Lewis, had been in the invasion of North Africa. Though small in 
>stature, Lewis was a giant in courage, dedication to accomplishing the 
>mission, determination and care for the men in his platoon.  He served as 
>their mentor, their "mother," their "father," their leader.  They 
>affectionately called him, "Little Boats," in honor of his Navy 
>specialty, boatswain's or boson's mate.  Ensign Joe Vaghi, just out of 
>college and new to the Navy when he became the platoon's 
>Officer-In-Command (OIC) in late '43, said of Little Boats in 2001, "He 
>taught me everything I ever needed to know about the Navy."


Wilton


Salute!  to Lewis Clyde Strickland, and all the others who did the 
"impossible"


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Re: [MBZ] 69 years A Reminder

[Dieselhead]

My brother, Lewis Clyde Strickland, then 21 and with 3 1/2 yrs in 
the US Navy, was the senior noncommissioned officer (NCO)/leader of 
a 48-man platoon of the 6th Naval Beach Battalion that went ashore 
on Omaha Beach, France, at 0730 on the 6th of June, 1944, to clear 
obstacles, secure the beach and control traffic to, from and on the 
beach.  The unit was composed of many specialties, including, 
demolition, signalmen, radiomen, riflemen, medics, bulldozer 
operators and others - whatever necessary to manage the beach.  They 
wore army combat uniforms and trained with the Army for the 
invasion.  The only thing visible to distinguish them from army 
troops was an arc painted across the front of their helmets.  Most 
of the men in his platoon were teenagers just 17, 18 and 19 years 
old.  A few of the older men had been in the invasion of Sicily and 
a few, such as  Lewis, had been in the invasion of North Africa. 
Though small in stature, Lewis was a giant in courage, dedication to 
accomplishing the mission, determination and care for the men in his 
platoon.  He served as their mentor, their "mother," their "father," 
their leader.  They affectionately called him, "Little Boats," in 
honor of his Navy specialty, boatswain's or boson's mate.  Ensign 
Joe Vaghi, just out of college and new to the Navy when he became 
the platoon's Officer-In-Command (OIC) in late '43, said of Little 
Boats in 2001, "He taught me everything I ever needed to know about 
the Navy."


Wilton


Salute!  to Lewis Clyde Strickland, and all the others who did the "impossible"

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Dieselhead]

Sears used to be good. They would bend over backwards to make things right.
Unfortunately, I think they are on their way to bankruptcy and have 
had to cut back so much that the service has become terrible, which 
will likely hasten their demise.
I think the stock in the tool area is not nearly so good as it once 
was and you can forget after sales service.

My son bought a big mechanic's toolbox setup from Sears. $2K on a good sale.
Within a couple of years he was having issues with drawer slides.
We have never been able to get parts for it.
They don't seem to have any idea who made the box for them.
I have tried for a year or two, on and off to find the slides and 
have given up.
We can use normal slides from Lowe's but will have to drill and 
rivet because we cannot get the ones that would just drop into the 
clips.

More than annoying.
Talk to them in the store and they give you an 800# to call.
Call the # and you get people who promise to find out and call back 
but never do.
We have big Sears repair depot in the city and I have gone there and 
spent an hour with a nice young fellow who did his best to help but 
ultimately did not.
He came up with a couple of names of companies that made toolboxes 
for them but I contacted both with details and both ultimately said 
the box was not made by them.

So, no more Craftsman toolboxes for us EVER.


Thus they long ago earned my monikers crapsman and dieEasy.




Randy



If it was made in USA, try Waterloo Industries, Waterloo IA  (home of 
john Deere)  They USED to make all the snears boxes.


Next time try HF.

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Re: [MBZ] OT A Reminder

[Dieselhead]

 >Thanks Rich.  The whole Nation needs Bill of Rights TV commercials for the
Sheople to see.<

Based on the current demonstrated skill levels of public school graduates I
sincerely doubt they would have the ability to read the text.

Perhaps it would be more effective if someone put them into a RAP song and
set them to loud and irritating music with an oppressive base beat..
Preformed of course by someone with enough tattoos and piercings that they
were not recognizable as a member of the human specie.

0f course it would have to be done in 3 languages, Spanish, Ebonics, and
Aribic


Great Idee Mr Mann!   Youstilldaman!

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[WILTON]

60½ here.

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT



Congrats!

Working on 32+ at my house...

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

My good wife and I are celebrating the 44th anniversary of our first date 
today. June 6, 1969.
Going to go out for dinner somewhere. Not sure where yet. Probably some 
place with a good steak.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[Dan Penoff]

Congrats!

Working on 32+ at my house...

Dan

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On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:10 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> My good wife and I are celebrating the 44th anniversary of our first date 
> today. June 6, 1969.
> Going to go out for dinner somewhere. Not sure where yet. Probably some place 
> with a good steak.
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Dan Penoff]

That's why I like my local Ace Hardware. It's all of maybe five minutes away (I 
have big box stores like Loews and HD maybe 15 minutes away in two directions) 
and they have nearly everything I need unless it's really unique.

Plus they have free popcorn. The wife gets a bag of popcorn every time I go 
there. I told one of the old duffers that works there the only reason I get to 
go there was because I brought home popcorn

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Sears, like so many companies, decided that everything was all about price. 
> As long as the prices were low, they theorized, people would buy. Well of 
> course if your prices are super low you can't afford good help so they got 
> rid of anybody who knew anything and kept the mouth breathers who would work 
> for no wages. As soon as anybody got any kind of smart they left for greener 
> pastures.
> 
> Today we're finding that most companies have done the same thing and we're 
> left with a retail world which has raced to the bottom. Sears is done, JC 
> Penny is done. Lowes and Home Depot hang on for reasons I don't understand. I 
> come out of those places angry every time. The only reason I go is because 
> often I don't know what I'm talking about and its easy to browse.
> 
> The local places that survive are the ones that focus on customer service. 
> We've got an excellent lumberyard/hardware store near our farm. When you 
> order lumber the salesperson goes to the yard with you and picks out your 
> materials. Its that extra service that makes me want to go there. If I don't 
> know exactly what I want the salesperson goes out with me and shows me the 
> options. Its a great place and they're doing great business because of it.
> 
> -Curt
> 

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Re: [MBZ] 44 years OT

[WILTON]

Congratulations!  ATTABOY!

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:10 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 44 years OT


My good wife and I are celebrating the 44th anniversary of our first 
date today. June 6, 1969.
Going to go out for dinner somewhere. Not sure where yet. Probably some 
place with a good steak.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Randy Bennell]

On 06/06/2013 11:19 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Sears, like so many companies, decided that everything was all about price. As 
long as the prices were low, they theorized, people would buy. Well of course 
if your prices are super low you can't afford good help so they got rid of 
anybody who knew anything and kept the mouth breathers who would work for no 
wages. As soon as anybody got any kind of smart they left for greener pastures.

Today we're finding that most companies have done the same thing and we're left 
with a retail world which has raced to the bottom. Sears is done, JC Penny is 
done. Lowes and Home Depot hang on for reasons I don't understand. I come out 
of those places angry every time. The only reason I go is because often I don't 
know what I'm talking about and its easy to browse.

The local places that survive are the ones that focus on customer service. 
We've got an excellent lumberyard/hardware store near our farm. When you order 
lumber the salesperson goes to the yard with you and picks out your materials. 
Its that extra service that makes me want to go there. If I don't know exactly 
what I want the salesperson goes out with me and shows me the options. Its a 
great place and they're doing great business because of it.

-Curt


Home Depot, here in Canada at any rate, seems to make their money on the 
little stuff.

Go buy a sheet of plywood and it may not be unreasonable.
BUT, go buy something like a new end to put on an extension cord and it 
costs an arm and a leg.

The markup on the little stuff must be outrageous.
That is what I find disturbing about the current retail business.
They advertise competitive prices on the bigger items but rob you blind 
on the smaller ones that are not advertised.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon....

[Curt Raymond]

Working SLS?

How much is this gem going to cost?

-Curt

Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:28:18 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for a wagon
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Self-promotion alert.

I will soon be surplussing my 1983 300TD, with 330,000 miles on the
odometer but replacement drive train with 225 k miles on 1983 engine and
1985 transmission.  White with blue leather (yes!) and factory third seat
+ rear headrests.  Great, clean driver with pep and superior handling; no
rust and mechanically sound.  Everything works. An appreciating classic
owned by a long time list and MBCA member.  Currently titled D.C. but can
drive anywhere, anytime.
The sale of this icon will only benefit me and no one else.

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Curt Raymond]

Sears, like so many companies, decided that everything was all about price. As 
long as the prices were low, they theorized, people would buy. Well of course 
if your prices are super low you can't afford good help so they got rid of 
anybody who knew anything and kept the mouth breathers who would work for no 
wages. As soon as anybody got any kind of smart they left for greener pastures.

Today we're finding that most companies have done the same thing and we're left 
with a retail world which has raced to the bottom. Sears is done, JC Penny is 
done. Lowes and Home Depot hang on for reasons I don't understand. I come out 
of those places angry every time. The only reason I go is because often I don't 
know what I'm talking about and its easy to browse.

The local places that survive are the ones that focus on customer service. 
We've got an excellent lumberyard/hardware store near our farm. When you order 
lumber the salesperson goes to the yard with you and picks out your materials. 
Its that extra service that makes me want to go there. If I don't know exactly 
what I want the salesperson goes out with me and shows me the options. Its a 
great place and they're doing great business because of it.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 10:23:35 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sears service?
Message-ID: <51b0a977.2030...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Sears used to be good. They would bend over backwards to make things right.
Unfortunately, I think they are on their way to bankruptcy and have had 
to cut back so much that the service has become terrible, which will 
likely hasten their demise.
I think the stock in the tool area is not nearly so good as it once was 
and you can forget after sales service.
My son bought a big mechanic's toolbox setup from Sears. $2K on a good sale.
Within a couple of years he was having issues with drawer slides.
We have never been able to get parts for it.
They don't seem to have any idea who made the box for them.
I have tried for a year or two, on and off to find the slides and have 
given up.
We can use normal slides from Lowe's but will have to drill and rivet 
because we cannot get the ones that would just drop into the clips.
More than annoying.
Talk to them in the store and they give you an 800# to call.
Call the # and you get people who promise to find out and call back but 
never do.
We have big Sears repair depot in the city and I have gone there and 
spent an hour with a nice young fellow who did his best to help but 
ultimately did not.
He came up with a couple of names of companies that made toolboxes for 
them but I contacted both with details and both ultimately said the box 
was not made by them.
So, no more Craftsman toolboxes for us EVER.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

[Curt Raymond]

What method did you use to compost?
I use a big pile and let it rest for a year which should allow most baddies to 
die off. I don't compost poop (dog poo gets spread under a maple tree) but I do 
compost meat, milk, yogurt and all sorts of other stuff thats "bad".

Above ground plants (i.e. not radishes, carrots, potatoes and the like) should 
at least in theory have less chance of passing on stuff from your compost. I 
suppose the greatest risk is from touching the soil.

The field across the street from my parent's house has been spread with sewer 
sludge as long as anyone can remember. I used to fly kites in that field. We 
would of course wait for the sludge to get rained on and dry out good before 
heading over but it doesn't seem to have hurt me any.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:16:12 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

For the record, I tilled in a binful of my cat-centric compost and planted
some cucumbers, with peppers and hopefully eggplant to follow.  If all goes
to plan, I will be a guinea pig for your theories about cat to human
transfer of toxoplasmosis, feline lukemia, or hairballs.

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[MBZ] 44 years OT

[Randy Bennell]

My good wife and I are celebrating the 44th anniversary of our first 
date today. June 6, 1969.
Going to go out for dinner somewhere. Not sure where yet. Probably some 
place with a good steak.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[WILTON]

"Green" = OD - olive drab.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944



WILTON wrote:

USAF birth date - July 26, 1947.


When did they retire the green uniforms?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[WILTON]

About '51 or '52.  AFROTC instructors at NC State College, Raleigh, were 
still wearing Army green occasionally at that time.  Army uniform styling 
persisted for MANY years.  I wore blue Ike jacket occasionally well into 
'60's - well, maybe 63 or so.


Wilton

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From: "Mitch Haley" 

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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944



WILTON wrote:

USAF birth date - July 26, 1947.


When did they retire the green uniforms?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:

USAF birth date - July 26, 1947.


When did they retire the green uniforms?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Sears service?

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
The web site telling you that local store has the item in stock reminds 
me: When I was a B-47E maintenance crew chief, I'd occasionally go to 
parts shop for certain part, and the clerk would hand me an IBM card 
showing that "it's on backorder," and his job was done - he was 
satisfied.  I'd respond, "I can't make that airplane fly with this card, 
I need the part in my hand." Before driving to the Sears store for the 
tool, I wanted to know if there were a REAL one there on the shelf that 
I could hold in my hand.  One might say, "Well, just drive there and 
walk in" - not that simple - I CAN'T WALK without aid - walker, scooter, 
etc.  It's not as easy for me as it used to be to go from place to place.


When an impact driver went on sale last weekend, Sears.com told me that the 
Battle Creek store had nine in stock on Sunday evening.

Doesn't that work with the tool you were looking for?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[WILTON]

BTW, Dan, did they get all of those B-47's out of the bay?  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks



Tampa, FL

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  
wrote:



Remind me where "here" is, Dan.

Andrew
Cloudy in D.C., with alto cumulus scud clouds in the western skies.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:


We are in the thick of it right now.

Torrential rain, a little wind, but nothing of real significance.  Much
ado about nothing, IMHO.

I rushed out last night to cut my grass, as with the rather heavy daily
rain we have had for almost a week it has grown rather tall. I feared if 
I

waited until this weekend my mighty Honda walk behind would not have cut
it, literally and figuratively.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Max  wrote:

Yes, the weather guessers are breathless with anticipation.  Our 
weather

alert radio sounded the alarm promptly at 0600 this morning, woke up the
whole house.  The weather app on my smartphone reminds me every fifteen
minutes about flooding and the tropical storm approaching.  If you don't
hear from me again, Andrea must have washed us out to sea

--
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Rich Thomas  wrote:


if you live near the coast, looks like Andrea is paying a visit!

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/090936.shtml?5-daynl#contents


And a new moon high tide to go with it.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] 69 years A Reminder

[Randy Bennell]

On 06/06/2013 9:34 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
June 6, 1944 over 1000 ships and 11000 aircraft participated in and 
supported the invasion of Nazi France.  It was the beginning of 
freeing yurp from an evil  tyrant.


The cost of freeing a good share of the world from tyranny is high. It 
is much easier to maintain our constitution and Bill of Rights that to 
reclaim those freedoms when lost.





I am about half way through the 3rd and final volume of a biography of 
Winston Churchill written by William Manchester - The Last Lion.
He wrote the 2 earlier volumes many years ago and I read them then. I 
waited and watched for the final one and have about given up.
Thankfully, Manchester realized that he needed help and enlisted the 
assistance of another writer whose name escapes me at the moment - Paul 
something I believe.
Manchester subsequently died and the new fellow finished the book and it 
bears both of their names.


This 3rd volume begins when Churchill becomes Prime Minister at the 
outset of WW2.
I am halfway through the book and we are only up to 1942. The Americans 
have been beaten up by the Japanese but have not done much in the war as 
yet.
Roosevelt is trying to gear up industry to produce the tanks, planes etc 
that are needed to do battle and to develop the manpower too.
Hitler is already stalled in Russia and Stalin is demanding that he get 
to keep a bunch of new territory after the war.
Churchill and Roosevelt are none too happy about that but need Stalin to 
keep Hitler occupied while they try to build up enough military might to 
go after him.
Japan has taken over the Pacific and things look pretty bad out there. 
Rommel is taking North Africa etc.
Churchill is being criticized by his political enemies at home due to 
the failure of the military to hang on to the far eastern parts of the 
empire, Singapore etc.


A bit slow going at this point but should get better.

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

[WILTON]

USAF birth date - July 26, 1947.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley" 

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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944



Max wrote:

AAC, that's it.


My dad joined up around the time the Army Air Corps became the Air Force, 
I think in 1951. When he enlisted, the old timers could still wear Army 
greens, but they only issued Air Force blues to the newbies so he didn't 
get a choice in the matter.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks

[WILTON]

Careful; let's not speak to quickly.  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel" 

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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Put your Merc on blocks



Much hype about nothing, is what I predict.  This is way too early for a
hurricane-type storm.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Max  wrote:


Yes, the weather guessers are breathless with anticipation.  Our weather
alert radio sounded the alarm promptly at 0600 this morning, woke up the
whole house.  The weather app on my smartphone reminds me every fifteen
minutes about flooding and the tropical storm approaching.  If you don't
hear from me again, Andrea must have washed us out to sea
--
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Rich Thomas  wrote:

>if you live near the coast, looks like Andrea is paying a visit!
>
>
>
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1+shtml/090936.shtml?5-daynl#contents
>
>And a new moon high tide to go with it.
>
>--R
>
>
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