Re: [MBZ] A Jaime greenie car
Offer him your standard offer and see what happens. I think the problem is that mechanical stuff is relatively easy to fix but fixing rust properly takes a lot of skill and time. Then you have to get it painted, which is expensive for good work. That green looks like it's faded but it's not. Hendrik who used to have a thistle green 123, which was nicer green On 22/07/13 12:37, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: One other problem is its about 4 hours away. I'm on the fence with this one. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2013, at 7:07 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: If the floors, rockers, and jack points are good, its worth the money. If those are shot, then you've got a big project on your hands and not worth it unless you really want to keep the car. In person you can see how accurate the mileage is by checking wear on the steering wheel, pedals, driver's seat, etc. Overall, you can't get much decent in these cars for $1800 anymore. And green/green is very special. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car is boring
Don't know burnt pumpkin orange has to be up there? Hendrik who likes vibrant colours, looked at a red S124 while back but it stalled during test drive On 22/07/13 11:31, OK Don wrote: Duh, that green is one of, if not THE, ugliest color paint MB has ever used. Does that help??? On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Well crap you are making it hard for me to turn it down. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
Not off topic at all! If I understand your description of the gunk around the filler cap it sounds like it may be condensation which is normally forced to evaporate when the engine is driven long enough to get fully warmed up and stay warmed up for several miles. If the sludge is kind of grayish and the consistency of jello it may be condensation. If not, never mind. ;-) But in any case, sludge should not be forming on a engine receiving regular oil changes.Perhaps the PO failed to change the oil at regular intervals? I'm not familiar with the sensors MB uses to tell owners when to change their oil but if it goes more than 9000 miles or so I'd get antsy and change it anyway.We've done a number of TBN tests of various oils and the Total Base Number starts to be depleted after around 9000 miles. I know, some people go more miles than that without apparent problems but that's what the lab numbers say. Of course, different oils, weights, sub brands, and other factors contribute to different TBNs and their depletion rate.Total Base Number is a measure of the oils ability to neutralize the acids that are created by the combustion process. So it's a difference between black gooey stuff and a creamy grayish stuff. If it's black and gooey IMO oil changes have been neglected. If it's grayish and creamy, it's not being fully warmed up. Condensation is a common problem for people who start their car, drive a couple of miles to work/school or whatever and shut it down. I don't know what your driving habits are (or more likely the PO's) but if an engine is going to be started, it needs to be driven until it is warm, then maintain that heat for a while - this will force evaporate any moisture that condenses overnight. If the thermostat is not working properly the engine can fail to reach operating temp - my 91 300D was like this when we bought it and it never got above 160F - but this was winter in Va. LarryT 91 300D The Oil Analysis Co. youroil.net On 7/21/2013 3:35 PM, clay wrote: A little off topic The w220 is one of the new, long period lubrication engines. Previous cars got regular oil swaps between 3-6k miles. They probably got driven a bit more as well. I never noticed sludge, except on Gump after the cam tower broke and I stopped driving it. A few month later the sludge covered the cam lobes. I got the S430 with 104k miles and around 800 miles until it wanted an A service. Drove it for 1200 miles before the oil change. Before the trip (SEA to DEN in 20 hours) I removed the filler cap and found some thick sludge like crap. I thought the trip would thin it out. Service B is in 8k miles. I think the shop used a Shell full synth. Should I use a SeaFoam or other cleaner in 3k and change the oil? Will that cut through the sludge? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 20, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Larry T wrote: I'll send you a kit -- are you still at the same address? Please keep the crankcase attached to the engine til you can run it about 3 or 4 minutes so the fuel can circulate andany contamination can be suspended in the oil. Leaving the case on with the oil in it allows the engine to start and also keeps the oil as is until you get the kit and can put a few ounces directly from the crankcase to the provided bottle.Using any other container can contaminate the sample and it may be a waste of time/money.I'll put the kit in the mail Monday - IIRC you live pretty close to me - should have the kit Wed or Thurs I think. How's that sound? I'll send you a invoice later next week and you can send a Paypal payment or call/email me with a credit card. A single Kits are a $21.95 plus shipping.3 Kit Packs are a little cheaper more are cheaper still...I hate to bring up payment as I know what kind of expense you will face if you intend to keep that MB! I'm having trouble finding your last invoice or analysis report -what is your full name please? Take care -- Larry 91 300D On 7/19/2013 10:27 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Thought I sent this to the list yesterday; 'turns out I sent it to myself. I guess that's why I got no responses today. ;) I'm thinking the extra stuff in my SDL oil pan is fuel (well, most, anyway). 'Sniffed and felt it several days ago when I discovered the shockingly extra volume of oil and again yesterday; 'can't detect fuel smell, but sure looks and feels like fuel - oil appears very diluted. Extra quantity of oil appearing at exactly same time as missing significant quantity of coolant certainly made me jump on coolant, but lack of foam and cafe au lait appearance seems to point away from coolant somewhat, though I did see a few bubbles. BTW, overflow
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
I read a history of MS once and IIRC they were kind of forced intoexpanding their business. It's been many years since I read it but I think IBM (perhaps) was looking for an OS and after being turned away initially by MS they eventually came back and at that point, MS found a small company nearby who had created DOS - they bought DOS for something like $80K and it became MS-DOS which they then sold all over the world - and the PC was born (in a very condensed version) ;-) I may be wrong -- but I think that's what happened - LarryT On 7/21/2013 4:27 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: With no consumer dependency they will HAVE no market. The normal result of a monopoly, eventually people learn to get around it, and the organization dies -- no new ideas. Intel monopolized the PC chip market for something like 40 years, with a few exceptions, and is no no longer able to innovate anything -- all their corporate energy was used defending their turf. I'm amused that they think they can high end the market and survive. How are they gonna pay dividends to stock options to all those stockholders if they sell six supercomputers a year? Now that other designs have supplanted the x86 architecture (which really DOES date to the 1970s) they have nothing to compete with. RIP Intel. Microsoft has always produce crappy products, I don't know why anyone would think their hardware would be any better than their software. They have made their money by appropriating other peoples work for at least 30 years, and it's way to late to innovate there, too. MS is, and has always been, a derivative company, they derive their products from other peoples ideas and software (when they don't steal it outright). So long as Ballmer is in charge, this won't change no matter what re-organizations they try, they need to toss the entire company culture out and start again. Improvements in computers these days are very small compared to a few years ago. We now have a 5 year life cycle for desktops and laptops -- there is now real change in operation. We got stuck with the new Office this time around, which bites -- all sorts of annoying changes that do nothing but irritate me, there was NOTHING wrong with the menu system, it's not improved by making it harder to see, less organized, and piling all sorts of different functions onto one gigantic toolbar. I want to see my document, not all the crap some teenaged programmer wants to show off. This means there are not productivity improvements from replacing computers at work -- the only thing that works better now on my brand new one is startup, which is a function of some marginal changes in the OS, not anything else. I use it for email, word processing, and searching for products and parts on the Internet, hardly heavy duty use. My instrument computers acquire data at 15k Hz as a general rule, and the data process is trivial (although glacially slow due to the shit software, again dating from the 70's, just in software instead of slow hardware). Some of them use IEEE 488 bus connections, you see I don't need speed! MS drove all the other competitors out of business (think WordPerfect), and now they don't have anyone to steal code from, so they are history. Long overdue if you ask me, all that progaming talent could have been used to make life better, not make me suffer with crap software. Everybody thinks they are going to become a multitrillionare by writing trivial software or designing a computer chip. This stuff is all commodity, we should not have been paying anywhere near as much for it as we have been. One of the sources of our current economic problems. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
Hopefully it was a once time quirk?? That air pocket in the cooling system someone mentioned? LarryT On 7/21/2013 4:52 PM, WILTON wrote: It doesn't seem to be losing coolant now; I'll put some more oil in it and try it a bit again tomorrow. Idles and runs nicely; 'fraid to drive it so much with fuel in the oil. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com; Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] 91 350SDL PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER I lost a lot of confidence in the car the day the timing chain broke at 89 kmi in April 1996. 'Few days later, learned about many other owners' problems with same engine -- rod-bender, etc. Many of you have noticed that I've many times said, Car doing well - just keeping my fingers crossed. The car is a fantastic cruiser - best riding/driving car I've had during 60 years of car ownership. I was terribly disappointed the day it dropped me on the road catastrophically - only car that's ever done that. I just can not feel at ease travelling long distances in it. After getting the transmission rebuilt several years ago at 186 kmi and repairing the vandalism to it in March 2012, I decided that I would let it go at the next major failure/expense. I'm afraid this is it. Meanwhile, it has spent most of the last 4 or 5 years just sitting collecting bird doo that I have to wash off coupla times a week; we drive it only occasionally, mainly, to keep the battery from going completely dead; we've driven it only about 7 kmi in last couple of years or more. I'm not physically able to keep it clean and waxed like I want to and the way it should be. We're gonna see how it goes with just one car for a while. PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER. '91 350SDL, Purchased in 1995 @ 79 kmi; now 204.5 kmi., 040 Black, no rust that I know of, cracks in paint on hood, several small bird-doo etchings on roof, aluminum replacement trunk lid, installed Jun '12 because of vandalism, should be stripped to aluminum and repainted appropriately for alum.; palomino leather int., worn spot at lower left corner of driver backrest, torn seam on top of rear seat backrest. 'Been using and leaking some oil for last couple of years Fuel in oil - unable to confirm coolant in oil; head may be OK. Usually starts with just a touch of the starter Cruise and climate control work nicely. Following is a list of several repairs, etc., in addition to the usual Mobil 1 oil, filters, glow plugs, alignments, balancing, and lots of other stuff during 18 years that I don't remember: New timing chain, several valves, lifters, shaved head, gasket, etc., -- bunch of stuff -- May '96, 89 kmi Hit deer in Jun '96; R R left headlight assembly, LF door and fender; repairs to LF corner of hood; repainted hood, LF door and fender. Windshield replaced w/PPG unit Jun '99 Mobil 1 since '01 Shutdown actuator May '01 Inj. Pump seal rings Jun '01 Ign. tumbler Aug '01, 148 kmi New radiator and hoses Dec '02 New blower fan and controller/porcupine in '03, 162 kmi Bilstein shocks, sway bar links, shift link bushings in '04 Michelin tires; lower ball joints tie rod ends Oct '04, 175 kmi Tranny rebuilt Jun '07, 186 kmi Precautionary timing chain R R Mar '09, 191 kmi Power steering pump ~ '10 Glow plugs, thermostat, rad hose, belt Sep '10 AC exp valve, dryer, switches Sep '10 Brake pads ~'11, 197 kmi Rear windshield Apr '12 Lower rad hose Jun '13 Radio inop - disconnected because of trickle draw on bat - sending retraction signal to fully retracted antenna. Clock inop Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow day OT -- Saturn V
Hey Scott, we take what we can -- sounds like a great memory! I bet those years working on the Apollo missionswas awesome! LarryT On 7/21/2013 5:20 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: That was then, this is now. Then we worried about National prestige and the economy. Now we worry about the clicking sound of car door locks. Back then I worked as a mission planner and flight controller on Apollo 12-17; so I never got to the Cape for a launch. But I did stand next to a tied-down F-15 at max afterburner on both engines (it was a fuel system test). It was literally awesome; shook my whole body. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Slow day OT -- Saturn V 44 years ago yesterday, men from Planet Earth first walked on the Moon. This is what they used to get there. 1.5 million pounds of thrust from EACH of 5 engines, more power flowing through the nozzle than was electric power being generated in the whole United States at that moment. Not one engine ever failed in flight, with 50+ year old technology. Today we have no heavy lift capability. Enjoy. https://www.adafruit.com/blog/2013/07/21/apollo-11-saturn-v-launch-hd-camera -e-8/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow day OT -- Saturn V
Very succinctly put! ;-) LarryT On 7/21/2013 5:29 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: NASA is doing muslim outreach, that is arguably a better application of resources than rocket engines and such. --R On 7/21/13 5:20 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: That was then, this is now. Then we worried about National prestige and the economy. Now we worry about the clicking sound of car door locks. Back then I worked as a mission planner and flight controller on Apollo 12-17; so I never got to the Cape for a launch. But I did stand next to a tied-down F-15 at max afterburner on both engines (it was a fuel system test). It was literally awesome; shook my whole body. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Slow day OT -- Saturn V 44 years ago yesterday, men from Planet Earth first walked on the Moon. This is what they used to get there. 1.5 million pounds of thrust from EACH of 5 engines, more power flowing through the nozzle than was electric power being generated in the whole United States at that moment. Not one engine ever failed in flight, with 50+ year old technology. Today we have no heavy lift capability. Enjoy. https://www.adafruit.com/blog/2013/07/21/apollo-11-saturn-v-launch-hd-camera -e-8/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Asiana
You've got a great memory! LarryT 91 300D On 7/21/2013 5:40 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Was that the one where the pilot was screaming allahuwa akbar as he bored the plane in? --R On 7/21/13 5:29 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: This is different than the Air France debacle where you have one pilot shouting climb, climb, climb and pulling the stick all the way back and the other pilot shouting dive, dive, dive and shoving the stick all the way forward, when all they needed to do was let go and turn the autopilot back on Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
Actually, MS sold IBM an operating system they did not have, and scrounged around until they found a company that had created an (illegal) technical reference clone of CPM using 16 bit instructions rather than the 8 bit 8080 instructions. If founder of Digital Research (who IBM had turned down) had been more interested at that point, he could had easily sued and closed MS down even during the Reagan years. Scrounge, copy, patch, swipe, outright steal, strongarm, sue has been the MS modus operandi since inception, and it shows. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Asiana
Well, for trivia. Don't remember what I ate for lunch, though! The DC-10 crash I remember very well because a friend of mine took that flight back home for holidays from school, and I thought she was on the plane. Not a pleasant memory. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car
I would rather have your car but you never told me if you wanted me to come and get it or not Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2013, at 10:45 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Wouldn't hafta do all of that rust repair on my 350SDL. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car On 20/07/2013 2:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I think he wants way too much for it too. The text would seem to suggest that he bought it to flip for a profit so he is trying to get a good price based upon the fact that he has things like the documents. He likely knows very little about the car. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car is boring
Donch'all be hatin on Brunnhilde now (79 TD punkin orange) --R On 7/22/13 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Burnt pumpkin orange is called English Red by the chermans. Go figure. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:54 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know burnt pumpkin orange has to be up there? Hendrik who likes vibrant colours, looked at a red S124 while back but it stalled during test drive On 22/07/13 11:31, OK Don wrote: Duh, that green is one of, if not THE, ugliest color paint MB has ever used. Does that help??? On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Well crap you are making it hard for me to turn it down. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
On 21/07/2013 3:52 PM, WILTON wrote: It doesn't seem to be losing coolant now; I'll put some more oil in it and try it a bit again tomorrow. Idles and runs nicely; 'fraid to drive it so much with fuel in the oil. Wilton - I am coming in on this late, but get the oil changed and see what happens. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties
Who wants that job? Send me an email offline Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2013, at 11:39 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed - we just need a back-up Mom, A list step mom. On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Gerry wrote: Has anyone thought about running the list out of Yahoogroups? Ugh. I'd rather not. -- Philip ___ -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
Actually, MS sold IBM an operating system they did not have, and scrounged around until they found a company that had created an (illegal) technical reference clone of CPM using 16 bit instructions rather than the 8 bit 8080 instructions. If founder of Digital Research (who IBM had turned down) had been more interested at that point, he could had easily sued and closed MS down even during the Reagan years. Scrounge, copy, patch, swipe, outright steal, strongarm, sue has been the MS modus operandi since inception, and it shows. Peter Well, Billy bob's daddy is a high priced shyster. The acorn don't fall fer from da tree. Scrounge, copy, patch, swipe, outright steal, strongarm, sue has been the lawyer modus operandi for decades. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car is boring
Yup - it's the second ugliest color they used. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know burnt pumpkin orange has to be up there? Hendrik who likes vibrant colours, looked at a red S124 while back but it stalled during test drive -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Asiana
The rest of the story about SWMBO's fingernails digging into inner thigh: In July of '75, I had flown SWMBO and daughter from Sault Ste. Marie, MI, to Greenville, NC, aboard a Cessna 182 for daughter's college freshman orientation weekend. Returning to The Soo mid-afternoon Sunday over Ohio headed toward Detroit. At about 13 kft on top of nearly solid undercast; thunderstorms to 60 kft all around and ahead in Detroit area; altered course to the east in tending to cross middle of Lake Erie and Ontario between Lakes Huron and Erie; radio above my left ear talking continuously about the thunderstorms to 60 kft. Suddenly, the sound of, stall warning horn got our attention! Quick glance at instruments showed what I already knew: straight and level, good airspeed, etc. Pushed slight forward pressure on control column to descend and accelerate slightly, etc., no change in pitch and intensity of stall warning. Glance out at stall warning device on leading edge of left wing revealed nothing unusual. Sound of slipstream, airspeed indication, altimeter, etc., showed that airplane was doing exactly what I asked it to do. The loud sound in my ears said, You are stalling! Everything else told me, You are NOT stalling, you have complete control of the aircraft. I pulled back on control column to purposely and significantly change angle of attack, climb, slow down, etc. Pitch and intensity of stall warning never changed. Meanwhile, while I was still descending slightly, SWMBO looked down through hole in clouds below us and saw Lake Erie. She grabbed my right thigh, digging fingernails into inner part and nearly screamed, We're going down, we're going down! We're over water, we're over water! I replied, I know we're going down; I pushed it down; I have complete control of the aircraft. Hush! About this time, I pulled back and began to climb, slow, etc. SWMBO spotted Detroit International Airport and said, There's an airport, YOU LAND RIGHT NOW! I replied, We're OK; I have control of the aircraft. We're OK. She said, fingernails still digging in, Well, explain that noise, then! I replied, I can't explain it, but I have control of the aircraft - we're OK. Again, I glanced out at stall warning device on left wing leading edge. As I brought my vision back inside, I noticed the ram air scoop/register near the upper left corner of the windshield and near leading edge of the left wing. I reached for the ram air scoop/register and pulled it out slightly; stall warning ceased instantly. On takeoff after refueling at Mansfield, OH, there was too much air blowing on me, and I had reached up and pushed the vent closed; over Lake Erie, it had finally open enough to vibrate and sound exactly like stall warning. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Asiana On 20/07/2013 9:54 PM, WILTON wrote: No. Like I said, regardless of auto this or auto that, there is no excuse for not monitoring attitude, airspeed and altitude, especially in critical stages of flight, and, no matter how bad things may get (weather, SAM's, SWMBO digging fingernails into inner thigh demanding to know, What is that noise? etc.) you must continue to fly the airplane. Wilton Sort of like driving a car. It has become much easier with automatic transmission, automatic choke and now fuel injection, automatic climate control, etc BUT at the end of the day, you still need to keep the vehicle on the road between the ditches and avoid other cars. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties
Agreed - we just need a back-up Mom, A list step mom. On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Gerry wrote: Has anyone thought about running the list out of Yahoogroups? Ugh. I'd rather not. -- Philip ___ -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties
I'll volunteer if you like. Dan On Jul 22, 2013, at 12:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Who wants that job? Send me an email offline Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2013, at 11:39 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed - we just need a back-up Mom, A list step mom. On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Gerry wrote: Has anyone thought about running the list out of Yahoogroups? Ugh. I'd rather not. -- Philip ___ -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
If founder of Digital Research (who IBM had turned down) DR wasn't turned down, Kildall decided that it was too nice out that day to waste in meeting IBM, and went flying instead. Turns out that was a bit of a CLM. (Not sure DR would have had a suit leg to stand on, since CP/M was itself sort of a clone of an early DEC OS, but for micros.) Gates lied his ass off about having a product to sell them, besides BASIC and FORTRAN. No innovation there at all, the PC was a (weird) clone of an Apple II, complete with cassette interface, BASIC in ROM, slots, and no disk drive, it wasn't even _faster_ than the Apple since a machine translator had been used to convert 8080 BASIC to 8088. DOS 1.0, of course, was a functional clone of CP/M, minus that wretched PIP program. IBM's floppies even held less data than Apple's. Hugely disappointing to the newly-employed computer designer, going out shopping with a bit of real money to spend for the first time. I went to the store ready to buy something, and walked out in disgust. The disgust remains. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car
On 20/07/2013 2:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I think he wants way too much for it too. The text would seem to suggest that he bought it to flip for a profit so he is trying to get a good price based upon the fact that he has things like the documents. He likely knows very little about the car. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
I still say you need to test it a bit more. The value on sale will depend on what is wrong with it. Randy On 21/07/2013 1:16 PM, WILTON wrote: PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER I lost a lot of confidence in the car the day the timing chain broke at 89 kmi in April 1996. 'Few days later, learned about many other owners' problems with same engine -- rod-bender, etc. Many of you have noticed that I've many times said, Car doing well - just keeping my fingers crossed. The car is a fantastic cruiser - best riding/driving car I've had during 60 years of car ownership. I was terribly disappointed the day it dropped me on the road catastrophically - only car that's ever done that. I just can not feel at ease travelling long distances in it. After getting the transmission rebuilt several years ago at 186 kmi and repairing the vandalism to it in March 2012, I decided that I would let it go at the next major failure/expense. I'm afraid this is it. Meanwhile, it has spent most of the last 4 or 5 years just sitting collecting bird doo that I have to wash off coupla times a week; we drive it only occasionally, mainly, to keep the battery from going comple tely dead; we've driven it only about 7 kmi in last couple of years or more. I'm not physically able to keep it clean and waxed like I want to and the way it should be. We're gonna see how it goes with just one car for a while. PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER. '91 350SDL, Purchased in 1995 @ 79 kmi; now 204.5 kmi., 040 Black, no rust that I know of, cracks in paint on hood, several small bird-doo etchings on roof, aluminum replacement trunk lid, installed Jun '12 because of vandalism, should be stripped to aluminum and repainted appropriately for alum.; palomino leather int., worn spot at lower left corner of driver backrest, torn seam on top of rear seat backrest. 'Been using and leaking some oil for last couple of years Fuel in oil - unable to confirm coolant in oil; head may be OK. Usually starts with just a touch of the starter Cruise and climate control work nicely. Following is a list of several repairs, etc., in addition to the usual Mobil 1 oil, filters, glow plugs, alignments, balancing, and lots of other stuff during 18 years that I don't remember: New timing chain, several valves, lifters, shaved head, gasket, etc., -- bunch of stuff -- May '96, 89 kmi Hit deer in Jun '96; R R left headlight assembly, LF door and fender; repairs to LF corner of hood; repainted hood, LF door and fender. Windshield replaced w/PPG unit Jun '99 Mobil 1 since '01 Shutdown actuator May '01 Inj. Pump seal rings Jun '01 Ign. tumbler Aug '01, 148 kmi New radiator and hoses Dec '02 New blower fan and controller/porcupine in '03, 162 kmi Bilstein shocks, sway bar links, shift link bushings in '04 Michelin tires; lower ball joints tie rod ends Oct '04, 175 kmi Tranny rebuilt Jun '07, 186 kmi Precautionary timing chain R R Mar '09, 191 kmi Power steering pump ~ '10 Glow plugs, thermostat, rad hose, belt Sep '10 AC exp valve, dryer, switches Sep '10 Brake pads ~'11, 197 kmi Rear windshield Apr '12 Lower rad hose Jun '13 Radio inop - disconnected because of trickle draw on bat - sending retraction signal to fully retracted antenna. Clock inop Wilton ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] The BMW Electric Aztec
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Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car is boring
Burnt pumpkin orange is called English Red by the chermans. Go figure. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:54 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know burnt pumpkin orange has to be up there? Hendrik who likes vibrant colours, looked at a red S124 while back but it stalled during test drive On 22/07/13 11:31, OK Don wrote: Duh, that green is one of, if not THE, ugliest color paint MB has ever used. Does that help??? On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Well crap you are making it hard for me to turn it down. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire repair
This issue has gone round and round. I have plugged tires that never needed further service on the plughe tire0. AFAIK they didn't need air more than the tires that never received plugs. I assume Randy has had different results suggesting a different outcome but I only know what I have experienced.. How about plugging it and watching it to see if it needs more air for instance? YMMV, ;-) Larry On 7/22/2013 11:34 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 20/07/2013 11:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I have a screw in one of my tires in the center of the tread that has been there probably for months. Should I leave it alone or have a gas station plug it? A plug is an emergency repair only in my opinion. A proper tire shop will remove the tire and put a patch on the inside. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire repair
On 22/07/2013 11:05 AM, Larry T wrote: This issue has gone round and round. I have plugged tires that never needed further service on the plughe tire0. AFAIK they didn't need air more than the tires that never received plugs. I assume Randy has had different results suggesting a different outcome but I only know what I have experienced.. How about plugging it and watching it to see if it needs more air for instance? YMMV, ;-) Larry I know that for years now, if I take a tire for repair to any of the reputable tire shops, they always pull the tire from the rim and put a patch on the inside. I think the only places that would put in a plug are general maintenance shops that are not really in the tire business. I had a plug blow out once many years ago and have not trusted them since. I think on that occasion the hole was likely too big and the repair person used poor judgment in fixing it for me. However, in his defense, I would say that tire fixers are usually at the low end of the skill levels in shops. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties
Martha offered to. Who wants that job? Send me an email offline Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car
'Wouldn't hafta do all of that rust repair on my 350SDL. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car On 20/07/2013 2:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I think he wants way too much for it too. The text would seem to suggest that he bought it to flip for a profit so he is trying to get a good price based upon the fact that he has things like the documents. He likely knows very little about the car. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire repair
On 20/07/2013 11:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I have a screw in one of my tires in the center of the tread that has been there probably for months. Should I leave it alone or have a gas station plug it? A plug is an emergency repair only in my opinion. A proper tire shop will remove the tire and put a patch on the inside. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
Test kit en route from Larry T. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL I still say you need to test it a bit more. The value on sale will depend on what is wrong with it. Randy On 21/07/2013 1:16 PM, WILTON wrote: PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER I lost a lot of confidence in the car the day the timing chain broke at 89 kmi in April 1996. 'Few days later, learned about many other owners' problems with same engine -- rod-bender, etc. Many of you have noticed that I've many times said, Car doing well - just keeping my fingers crossed. The car is a fantastic cruiser - best riding/driving car I've had during 60 years of car ownership. I was terribly disappointed the day it dropped me on the road catastrophically - only car that's ever done that. I just can not feel at ease travelling long distances in it. After getting the transmission rebuilt several years ago at 186 kmi and repairing the vandalism to it in March 2012, I decided that I would let it go at the next major failure/expense. I'm afraid this is it. Meanwhile, it has spent most of the last 4 or 5 years just sitting collecting bird doo that I have to wash off coupla times a week; we drive it only occasionally, mainly, to keep the battery from going completely dead; we've driven it only about 7 kmi in last couple of years or more. I'm not physically able to keep it clean and waxed like I want to and the way it should be. We're gonna see how it goes with just one car for a while. PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER. '91 350SDL, Purchased in 1995 @ 79 kmi; now 204.5 kmi., 040 Black, no rust that I know of, cracks in paint on hood, several small bird-doo etchings on roof, aluminum replacement trunk lid, installed Jun '12 because of vandalism, should be stripped to aluminum and repainted appropriately for alum.; palomino leather int., worn spot at lower left corner of driver backrest, torn seam on top of rear seat backrest. 'Been using and leaking some oil for last couple of years Fuel in oil - unable to confirm coolant in oil; head may be OK. Usually starts with just a touch of the starter Cruise and climate control work nicely. Following is a list of several repairs, etc., in addition to the usual Mobil 1 oil, filters, glow plugs, alignments, balancing, and lots of other stuff during 18 years that I don't remember: New timing chain, several valves, lifters, shaved head, gasket, etc., -- bunch of stuff -- May '96, 89 kmi Hit deer in Jun '96; R R left headlight assembly, LF door and fender; repairs to LF corner of hood; repainted hood, LF door and fender. Windshield replaced w/PPG unit Jun '99 Mobil 1 since '01 Shutdown actuator May '01 Inj. Pump seal rings Jun '01 Ign. tumbler Aug '01, 148 kmi New radiator and hoses Dec '02 New blower fan and controller/porcupine in '03, 162 kmi Bilstein shocks, sway bar links, shift link bushings in '04 Michelin tires; lower ball joints tie rod ends Oct '04, 175 kmi Tranny rebuilt Jun '07, 186 kmi Precautionary timing chain R R Mar '09, 191 kmi Power steering pump ~ '10 Glow plugs, thermostat, rad hose, belt Sep '10 AC exp valve, dryer, switches Sep '10 Brake pads ~'11, 197 kmi Rear windshield Apr '12 Lower rad hose Jun '13 Radio inop - disconnected because of trickle draw on bat - sending retraction signal to fully retracted antenna. Clock inop Wilton ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Asiana
Thanks for that story! I now know that the fresh air can sound like the stall horn. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:53 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: The rest of the story about SWMBO's fingernails digging into inner thigh: In July of '75, I had flown SWMBO and daughter from Sault Ste. Marie, MI, to Greenville, NC, aboard a Cessna 182 for daughter's college freshman orientation weekend. Returning to The Soo mid-afternoon Sunday over Ohio headed toward Detroit. At about 13 kft on top of nearly solid undercast; thunderstorms to 60 kft all around and ahead in Detroit area; altered course to the east in tending to cross middle of Lake Erie and Ontario between Lakes Huron and Erie; radio above my left ear talking continuously about the thunderstorms to 60 kft. Suddenly, the sound of, stall warning horn got our attention! Quick glance at instruments showed what I already knew: straight and level, good airspeed, etc. Pushed slight forward pressure on control column to descend and accelerate slightly, etc., no change in pitch and intensity of stall warning. Glance out at stall warning device on leading edge of left wing revealed nothing unusual. Sound of slipstream, airspeed indication, altimeter, etc., showed that airplane was doing exactly what I asked it to do. The loud sound in my ears said, You are stalling! Everything else told me, You are NOT stalling, you have complete control of the aircraft. I pulled back on control column to purposely and significantly change angle of attack, climb, slow down, etc. Pitch and intensity of stall warning never changed. Meanwhile, while I was still descending slightly, SWMBO looked down through hole in clouds below us and saw Lake Erie. She grabbed my right thigh, digging fingernails into inner part and nearly screamed, We're going down, we're going down! We're over water, we're over water! I replied, I know we're going down; I pushed it down; I have complete control of the aircraft. Hush! About this time, I pulled back and began to climb, slow, etc. SWMBO spotted Detroit International Airport and said, There's an airport, YOU LAND RIGHT NOW! I replied, We're OK; I have control of the aircraft. We're OK. She said, fingernails still digging in, Well, explain that noise, then! I replied, I can't explain it, but I have control of the aircraft - we're OK. Again, I glanced out at stall warning device on left wing leading edge. As I brought my vision back inside, I noticed the ram air scoop/register near the upper left corner of the windshield and near leading edge of the left wing. I reached for the ram air scoop/register and pulled it out slightly; stall warning ceased instantly. On takeoff after refueling at Mansfield, OH, there was too much air blowing on me, and I had reached up and pushed the vent closed; over Lake Erie, it had finally open enough to vibrate and sound exactly like stall warning. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Asiana On 20/07/2013 9:54 PM, WILTON wrote: No. Like I said, regardless of auto this or auto that, there is no excuse for not monitoring attitude, airspeed and altitude, especially in critical stages of flight, and, no matter how bad things may get (weather, SAM's, SWMBO digging fingernails into inner thigh demanding to know, What is that noise? etc.) you must continue to fly the airplane. Wilton Sort of like driving a car. It has become much easier with automatic transmission, automatic choke and now fuel injection, automatic climate control, etc BUT at the end of the day, you still need to keep the vehicle on the road between the ditches and avoid other cars. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
Very good. Randy On 22/07/2013 10:56 AM, WILTON wrote: Test kit en route from Larry T. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL I still say you need to test it a bit more. The value on sale will depend on what is wrong with it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car
On 20/07/2013 2:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Think it's worth $1800? If you plan to fix it and drive, it then maybe so. If you plan to fix it and resell it, then maybe not. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Houghton College says no
I have no idea what they do at colleges in the USA but I know that the local University hires a lot of people on contract positions these days rather than commit to long term employment. If you think age is a factor, you might wish to suggest to some of these potential employers that you are prepared to work on a contract basis ( in order to get your foot in the door ). If they like you, they may offer something better after a while and if they don't you at least get an opportunity to work at something you will likely enjoy, and they may keep on renewing your contract long enough for you to finish your career with them. If I am out in left field, don't be afraid to say so. Randy On 19/07/2013 5:34 PM, Craig wrote: I was surprised to receive an email today from the Chairman of Houghton College's search committee saying, Thank you for submitting your application materials for the Physics faculty position at Houghton College. We appreciate your interest. Our Search committee has carefully reviewed your application and related documents. We have concluded that your credentials and experience do not match the needs of Houghton College at this juncture, and we have removed your application from further consideration. We trust that you will find a match to your specific interests and qualifications, and we genuinely wish you well in your career development. I was surprised for two reasons, first, that I was told their search was on hold until September, and, second, that I thought I had a good chance at the position. I called the Chairman of the search committee and the Chairman of the department and left voicemails for them saying I wanted to talk with them about why I fell short and how I could improve my chances for other positions. At any rate, we now know the Lord doesn't want us in New York. I have been looking elsewhere. I did leave a voicemail for the recruiter with Halliburton saying I wanted to touch base with him and see how he was doing presenting me to hiring managers. Craig ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
The story I recall on why this happend in the first place (IBM certainly had resources to create a PC operating system themselves if they wanted to) was that IBM did not really see the PC as something with a big potential market. In computers, IBM was about mainframes and other big glass house installations and they saw the PC as a toy with no real serious business value. Allan Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net writes: Actually, MS sold IBM an operating system they did not have, and scrounged around until they found a company that had created an (illegal) technical reference clone of CPM using 16 bit instructions rather than the 8 bit 8080 instructions. If founder of Digital Research (who IBM had turned down) had been more interested at that point, he could had easily sued and closed MS down even during the Reagan years. Scrounge, copy, patch, swipe, outright steal, strongarm, sue has been the MS modus operandi since inception, and it shows. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Asiana
On 20/07/2013 9:54 PM, WILTON wrote: No. Like I said, regardless of auto this or auto that, there is no excuse for not monitoring attitude, airspeed and altitude, especially in critical stages of flight, and, no matter how bad things may get (weather, SAM's, SWMBO digging fingernails into inner thigh demanding to know, What is that noise? etc.) you must continue to fly the airplane. Wilton Sort of like driving a car. It has become much easier with automatic transmission, automatic choke and now fuel injection, automatic climate control, etc BUT at the end of the day, you still need to keep the vehicle on the road between the ditches and avoid other cars. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
'Made sure it had some good oil in it late afternoon yesterday and took it on about a 10-mile drive; no overheating; just checked coolant level this morning; as best I can tell, it lost no coolant on the drive and overnight. Coolant level at full mark in overflow tank before drive and this morning. Engine runs smoothly; drives/rides superbly, as usual. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL It doesn't seem to be losing coolant now; I'll put some more oil in it and try it a bit again tomorrow. Idles and runs nicely; 'fraid to drive it so much with fuel in the oil. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com; Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] 91 350SDL PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER I lost a lot of confidence in the car the day the timing chain broke at 89 kmi in April 1996. 'Few days later, learned about many other owners' problems with same engine -- rod-bender, etc. Many of you have noticed that I've many times said, Car doing well - just keeping my fingers crossed. The car is a fantastic cruiser - best riding/driving car I've had during 60 years of car ownership. I was terribly disappointed the day it dropped me on the road catastrophically - only car that's ever done that. I just can not feel at ease travelling long distances in it. After getting the transmission rebuilt several years ago at 186 kmi and repairing the vandalism to it in March 2012, I decided that I would let it go at the next major failure/expense. I'm afraid this is it. Meanwhile, it has spent most of the last 4 or 5 years just sitting collecting bird doo that I have to wash off coupla times a week; we drive it only occasionally, mainly, to keep the battery from going completely dead; we've driven it only about 7 kmi in last couple of years or more. I'm not physically able to keep it clean and waxed like I want to and the way it should be. We're gonna see how it goes with just one car for a while. PLACE YOUR BIDS; BRING A TRAILER. '91 350SDL, Purchased in 1995 @ 79 kmi; now 204.5 kmi., 040 Black, no rust that I know of, cracks in paint on hood, several small bird-doo etchings on roof, aluminum replacement trunk lid, installed Jun '12 because of vandalism, should be stripped to aluminum and repainted appropriately for alum.; palomino leather int., worn spot at lower left corner of driver backrest, torn seam on top of rear seat backrest. 'Been using and leaking some oil for last couple of years Fuel in oil - unable to confirm coolant in oil; head may be OK. Usually starts with just a touch of the starter Cruise and climate control work nicely. Following is a list of several repairs, etc., in addition to the usual Mobil 1 oil, filters, glow plugs, alignments, balancing, and lots of other stuff during 18 years that I don't remember: New timing chain, several valves, lifters, shaved head, gasket, etc., -- bunch of stuff -- May '96, 89 kmi Hit deer in Jun '96; R R left headlight assembly, LF door and fender; repairs to LF corner of hood; repainted hood, LF door and fender. Windshield replaced w/PPG unit Jun '99 Mobil 1 since '01 Shutdown actuator May '01 Inj. Pump seal rings Jun '01 Ign. tumbler Aug '01, 148 kmi New radiator and hoses Dec '02 New blower fan and controller/porcupine in '03, 162 kmi Bilstein shocks, sway bar links, shift link bushings in '04 Michelin tires; lower ball joints tie rod ends Oct '04, 175 kmi Tranny rebuilt Jun '07, 186 kmi Precautionary timing chain R R Mar '09, 191 kmi Power steering pump ~ '10 Glow plugs, thermostat, rad hose, belt Sep '10 AC exp valve, dryer, switches Sep '10 Brake pads ~'11, 197 kmi Rear windshield Apr '12 Lower rad hose Jun '13 Radio inop - disconnected because of trickle draw on bat - sending retraction signal to fully retracted antenna. Clock inop Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties
Kaleb wrote: Who wants that job? Send me an email offline Dan wrote: I'll volunteer if you like. Is Dan disqualified if he can't follow the instructions? *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
For dino oils, Penzoil used to be bad about gunk buildup. Havoline never caused problems in my experience. As Larry says, use the proper oil and change it at more frequent intervals for a while. I think M1 will clean the gunk out over time. I do NOT have experience with engines that are started, driven a block or two and shut off. (severe duty) If the car has that kind of history, then for sure, re-read Larry's advice. I would NOT be dumping any kind of snake oil (or brake cleaner) in the crankcase for any purpose. Bardahl and Rislone used to make additives for this purpose with old 'merkun iron, but I would NOT use either in a modern MB with the current tight tolerances. YMMV Not off topic at all! If I understand your description of the gunk around the filler cap it sounds like it may be condensation which is normally forced to evaporate when the engine is driven long enough to get fully warmed up and stay warmed up for several miles. If the sludge is kind of grayish and the consistency of jello it may be condensation. If not, never mind. ;-) But in any case, sludge should not be forming on a engine receiving regular oil changes. Perhaps the PO failed to change the oil at regular intervals? I'm not familiar with the sensors MB uses to tell owners when to change their oil but if it goes more than 9000 miles or so I'd get antsy and change it anyway.We've done a number of TBN tests of various oils and the Total Base Number starts to be depleted after around 9000 miles. I know, some people go more miles than that without apparent problems but that's what the lab numbers say. Of course, different oils, weights, sub brands, and other factors contribute to different TBNs and their depletion rate.Total Base Number is a measure of the oils ability to neutralize the acids that are created by the combustion process. So it's a difference between black gooey stuff and a creamy grayish stuff. If it's black and gooey IMO oil changes have been neglected. If it's grayish and creamy, it's not being fully warmed up. Condensation is a common problem for people who start their car, drive a couple of miles to work/school or whatever and shut it down. I don't know what your driving habits are (or more likely the PO's) but if an engine is going to be started, it needs to be driven until it is warm, then maintain that heat for a while - this will force evaporate any moisture that condenses overnight. If the thermostat is not working properly the engine can fail to reach operating temp - my 91 300D was like this when we bought it and it never got above 160F - but this was winter in Va. LarryT 91 300D The Oil Analysis Co. youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] tire repair
On 22/07/2013 11:05 AM, Larry T wrote: This issue has gone round and round. I have plugged tires that never needed further service on the plughe tire0. Randy wrote: I know that for years now, if I take a tire for repair to any of the reputable tire shops, they always pull the tire from the rim and put a patch on the inside. However, in his defense, I would say that tire fixers are usually at the low end of the skill levels in shops. I have put dozens of plugs in tires over the years. Nearly all of them have done just fine. As usual, using good parts helps. I carry tire plug tools and supplies with me in one of the toolboxes that always travels with me. Countless times I have plugged a tire - mine or someone else's - at a time or place where a tire shop was not an option. With an air pump and some plugs, most road hazard damage is no more than an annoyance. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4 Mercedes * Package Deal* $4200
On 20/07/2013 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: When I take a car down I fill them up with all the various scrap metal and other scrap I can get in it. The last time I took in scrap steel I got about $0.06 per pound so at that price, they don't care what it is. Aluminum brought me $0.45 per pound recently and a while back I had some copper to dispose of and I think I did better on it but cannot recall exactly what I got for it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Asiana
At 12:53 PM -0400 7/22/13, WILTON wrote: On takeoff after refueling at Mansfield, OH, there was too much air blowing on me, and I had reached up and pushed the vent closed; over Lake Erie, it had finally open enough to vibrate and sound exactly like stall warning. Hee! Good story. Closest I can come to something like that was the time I was practicing a flaps-up landing in a Cessna 152 at Whiteman Airpark in Pacoima thirty years ago, while they were repaving the runoff strip at the far end of the runway. Talk about a long landing roll! And that poor traffic cone would never be quite the same... interestingly enough, the bugger didn't hit the ground UNTIL I had the engine stopped and was checking the prop for damage (just a couple smears of rubber), so it probably got close to pattern altitude on its lonesome... -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Asiana
'Sure can - 'zackly! Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Asiana Thanks for that story! I now know that the fresh air can sound like the stall horn. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:53 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: The rest of the story about SWMBO's fingernails digging into inner thigh: In July of '75, I had flown SWMBO and daughter from Sault Ste. Marie, MI, to Greenville, NC, aboard a Cessna 182 for daughter's college freshman orientation weekend. Returning to The Soo mid-afternoon Sunday over Ohio headed toward Detroit. At about 13 kft on top of nearly solid undercast; thunderstorms to 60 kft all around and ahead in Detroit area; altered course to the east in tending to cross middle of Lake Erie and Ontario between Lakes Huron and Erie; radio above my left ear talking continuously about the thunderstorms to 60 kft. Suddenly, the sound of, stall warning horn got our attention! Quick glance at instruments showed what I already knew: straight and level, good airspeed, etc. Pushed slight forward pressure on control column to descend and accelerate slightly, etc., no change in pitch and intensity of stall warning. Glance out at stall warning device on leading edge of left wing revealed nothing unusual. Sound of slipstream, airspeed indication, altimeter, etc., showed that airplane was doing exactly what I asked it to do. The loud sound in my ears said, You are stalling! Everything else told me, You are NOT stalling, you have complete control of the aircraft. I pulled back on control column to purposely and significantly change angle of attack, climb, slow down, etc. Pitch and intensity of stall warning never changed. Meanwhile, while I was still descending slightly, SWMBO looked down through hole in clouds below us and saw Lake Erie. She grabbed my right thigh, digging fingernails into inner part and nearly screamed, We're going down, we're going down! We're over water, we're over water! I replied, I know we're going down; I pushed it down; I have complete control of the aircraft. Hush! About this time, I pulled back and began to climb, slow, etc. SWMBO spotted Detroit International Airport and said, There's an airport, YOU LAND RIGHT NOW! I replied, We're OK; I have control of the aircraft. We're OK. She said, fingernails still digging in, Well, explain that noise, then! I replied, I can't explain it, but I have control of the aircraft - we're OK. Again, I glanced out at stall warning device on left wing leading edge. As I brought my vision back inside, I noticed the ram air scoop/register near the upper left corner of the windshield and near leading edge of the left wing. I reached for the ram air scoop/register and pulled it out slightly; stall warning ceased instantly. On takeoff after refueling at Mansfield, OH, there was too much air blowing on me, and I had reached up and pushed the vent closed; over Lake Erie, it had finally open enough to vibrate and sound exactly like stall warning. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Asiana On 20/07/2013 9:54 PM, WILTON wrote: No. Like I said, regardless of auto this or auto that, there is no excuse for not monitoring attitude, airspeed and altitude, especially in critical stages of flight, and, no matter how bad things may get (weather, SAM's, SWMBO digging fingernails into inner thigh demanding to know, What is that noise? etc.) you must continue to fly the airplane. Wilton Sort of like driving a car. It has become much easier with automatic transmission, automatic choke and now fuel injection, automatic climate control, etc BUT at the end of the day, you still need to keep the vehicle on the road between the ditches and avoid other cars. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] tire repair
Some of you may remember that I slimed one of the tires on my JD garden/lawn tractor years ago; meanwhile, the other 3 tires had gotten so they were flat every time I needed the tractor. Tired of having pump 'em up before every use and noticing severe side wall cracking, I put 4 new tires on it coupla weeks ago. Since I slimed that tire years ago, I've heard near-horror stories about how the wheel would be ruined, etc. 'Glad to see, though, that when tire guy pulled that tire off, he found no damage at all and the slime had jelled into an easily removable bead around inner part of the wheel. Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire repair On 22/07/2013 11:05 AM, Larry T wrote: This issue has gone round and round. I have plugged tires that never needed further service on the plughe tire0. Randy wrote: I know that for years now, if I take a tire for repair to any of the reputable tire shops, they always pull the tire from the rim and put a patch on the inside. However, in his defense, I would say that tire fixers are usually at the low end of the skill levels in shops. I have put dozens of plugs in tires over the years. Nearly all of them have done just fine. As usual, using good parts helps. I carry tire plug tools and supplies with me in one of the toolboxes that always travels with me. Countless times I have plugged a tire - mine or someone else's - at a time or place where a tire shop was not an option. With an air pump and some plugs, most road hazard damage is no more than an annoyance. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:40:27 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Who wants that job? Send me an email offline I'll help out if you wish. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news
yes This was for Kaleb and Mao On Jul 21, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:41:08 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I do not have a shop or large enough garage. We can get the job done with in the driveway or street. I have ramps, jacks, and stands. A reasonable set of tools on hand. Pretty sure we can do the job, as long as you take the lead. Did you write this to Wilton (the originator of the thread)? If so, he's on the other coast Otherwise, quote the sender's name along with the text. Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car
I appreciate the color. It is very iconic of the period. There will be an excess of red, black, white and beige Benz forever. The odd period color can only increase interest and value later on. The green nails the car down to a very defined period. Avocado green was so very early 1970's. A car in that livery will instantly be recognized as from that period. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 21, 2013, at 8:19 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the color is very cool! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2013, at 10:01 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Duh, that green is one of, if not THE, ugliest color paint MB has ever used. Does that help??? On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Well crap you are making it hard for me to turn it down. -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
Thanks for the data. Stuff is sort of brown and muddy looking. I am guessing PO did not drive it to hot or long much. He also may have believed the marketing, and gone with book intervals. That may mean I have to flush the transmission and engine to clear the snot out and start kind of new. clay On Jul 22, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Larry T wrote: Not off topic at all! If I understand your description of the gunk around the filler cap it sounds like it may be condensation which is normally forced to evaporate when the engine is driven long enough to get fully warmed up and stay warmed up for several miles. If the sludge is kind of grayish and the consistency of jello it may be condensation. If not, never mind. ;-) But in any case, sludge should not be forming on a engine receiving regular oil changes.Perhaps the PO failed to change the oil at regular intervals? I'm not familiar with the sensors MB uses to tell owners when to change their oil but if it goes more than 9000 miles or so I'd get antsy and change it anyway.We've done a number of TBN tests of various oils and the Total Base Number starts to be depleted after around 9000 miles. I know, some people go more miles than that without apparent problems but that's what the lab numbers say. Of course, different oils, weights, sub brands, and other factors contribute to different TBNs and their depletion rate.Total Base Number is a measure of the oils ability to neutralize the acids that are created by the combustion process. So it's a difference between black gooey stuff and a creamy grayish stuff. If it's black and gooey IMO oil changes have been neglected. If it's grayish and creamy, it's not being fully warmed up. Condensation is a common problem for people who start their car, drive a couple of miles to work/school or whatever and shut it down. I don't know what your driving habits are (or more likely the PO's) but if an engine is going to be started, it needs to be driven until it is warm, then maintain that heat for a while - this will force evaporate any moisture that condenses overnight. If the thermostat is not working properly the engine can fail to reach operating temp - my 91 300D was like this when we bought it and it never got above 160F - but this was winter in Va. LarryT 91 300D The Oil Analysis Co. youroil.net On 7/21/2013 3:35 PM, clay wrote: A little off topic The w220 is one of the new, long period lubrication engines. Previous cars got regular oil swaps between 3-6k miles. They probably got driven a bit more as well. I never noticed sludge, except on Gump after the cam tower broke and I stopped driving it. A few month later the sludge covered the cam lobes. I got the S430 with 104k miles and around 800 miles until it wanted an A service. Drove it for 1200 miles before the oil change. Before the trip (SEA to DEN in 20 hours) I removed the filler cap and found some thick sludge like crap. I thought the trip would thin it out. Service B is in 8k miles. I think the shop used a Shell full synth. Should I use a SeaFoam or other cleaner in 3k and change the oil? Will that cut through the sludge? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 20, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Larry T wrote: I'll send you a kit -- are you still at the same address? Please keep the crankcase attached to the engine til you can run it about 3 or 4 minutes so the fuel can circulate andany contamination can be suspended in the oil. Leaving the case on with the oil in it allows the engine to start and also keeps the oil as is until you get the kit and can put a few ounces directly from the crankcase to the provided bottle.Using any other container can contaminate the sample and it may be a waste of time/money.I'll put the kit in the mail Monday - IIRC you live pretty close to me - should have the kit Wed or Thurs I think. How's that sound? I'll send you a invoice later next week and you can send a Paypal payment or call/email me with a credit card. A single Kits are a $21.95 plus shipping.3 Kit Packs are a little cheaper more are cheaper still...I hate to bring up payment as I know what kind of expense you will face if you intend to keep that MB! I'm having trouble finding your last invoice or analysis report -what is your full name please? Take care -- Larry 91 300D On 7/19/2013 10:27 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Thought I sent this to the list yesterday; 'turns out I sent it to myself. I guess that's why I got no responses today. ;) I'm thinking the extra stuff in my SDL oil pan is fuel (well, most, anyway). 'Sniffed and felt it
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
on the head. They ripped the original owner of the OS off. When IBM went with OS/2, that peeved Evil Bill. On Jul 22, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Larry T wrote: I read a history of MS once and IIRC they were kind of forced intoexpanding their business. It's been many years since I read it but I think IBM (perhaps) was looking for an OS and after being turned away initially by MS they eventually came back and at that point, MS found a small company nearby who had created DOS - they bought DOS for something like $80K and it became MS-DOS which they then sold all over the world - and the PC was born (in a very condensed version) ;-) I may be wrong -- but I think that's what happened - LarryT On 7/21/2013 4:27 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: With no consumer dependency they will HAVE no market. The normal result of a monopoly, eventually people learn to get around it, and the organization dies -- no new ideas. Intel monopolized the PC chip market for something like 40 years, with a few exceptions, and is no no longer able to innovate anything -- all their corporate energy was used defending their turf. I'm amused that they think they can high end the market and survive. How are they gonna pay dividends to stock options to all those stockholders if they sell six supercomputers a year? Now that other designs have supplanted the x86 architecture (which really DOES date to the 1970s) they have nothing to compete with. RIP Intel. Microsoft has always produce crappy products, I don't know why anyone would think their hardware would be any better than their software. They have made their money by appropriating other peoples work for at least 30 years, and it's way to late to innovate there, too. MS is, and has always been, a derivative company, they derive their products from other peoples ideas and software (when they don't steal it outright). So long as Ballmer is in charge, this won't change no matter what re-organizations they try, they need to toss the entire company culture out and start again. Improvements in computers these days are very small compared to a few years ago. We now have a 5 year life cycle for desktops and laptops -- there is now real change in operation. We got stuck with the new Office this time around, which bites -- all sorts of annoying changes that do nothing but irritate me, there was NOTHING wrong with the menu system, it's not improved by making it harder to see, less organized, and piling all sorts of different functions onto one gigantic toolbar. I want to see my document, not all the crap some teenaged programmer wants to show off. This means there are not productivity improvements from replacing computers at work -- the only thing that works better now on my brand new one is startup, which is a function of some marginal changes in the OS, not anything else. I use it for email, word processing, and searching for products and parts on the Internet, hardly heavy duty use. My instrument computers acquire data at 15k Hz as a general rule, and the data process is trivial (although glacially slow due to the shit software, again dating from the 70's, just in software instead of slow hardware). Some of them use IEEE 488 bus connections, you see I don't need speed! MS drove all the other competitors out of business (think WordPerfect), and now they don't have anyone to steal code from, so they are history. Long overdue if you ask me, all that progaming talent could have been used to make life better, not make me suffer with crap software. Everybody thinks they are going to become a multitrillionare by writing trivial software or designing a computer chip. This stuff is all commodity, we should not have been paying anywhere near as much for it as we have been. One of the sources of our current economic problems. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM617 Vacuum Pump
Well, the kid was complaining of no brakes and car won't shut off. I fire it up and it is making an awful injector nailing noise, but louder. I pull the line off the vacuum pump, and yep, no vacuum. I got it apart today and the yoke that holds the bearing that rides on the eccentric has failed. My question is this. I have heard that the injection timing advance device can fail also. Is there any easy way to tell if it has failed? The springs are intact and nothing is loose. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 Vacuum Pump
Well, the kid was complaining of no brakes and car won't shut off. I fire it up and it is making an awful injector nailing noise, but louder. I pull the line off the vacuum pump, and yep, no vacuum. I got it apart today and the yoke that holds the bearing that rides on the eccentric has failed. My question is this. I have heard that the injection timing advance device can fail also. Is there any easy way to tell if it has failed? The springs are intact and nothing is loose. Rick Sent from my iPhone the OM621 book had a section on testing the timer. Pretty much if the timer is intact, it is good. I have never seen one fail in the US. IF they fail, it is probably over 500k miles and/or poor lubrication/never changing oil etc. My 400k to 500k mile 190Dc never had a failure of the IP advance. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
On 22/07/2013 2:39 PM, clay wrote: Thanks for the data. Stuff is sort of brown and muddy looking. I am guessing PO did not drive it to hot or long much. He also may have believed the marketing, and gone with book intervals. That may mean I have to flush the transmission and engine to clear the snot out and start kind of new. clay No idea if it applies to MB but my recollection is that the sludging issue that affected Toyotas was due to the engineers using crankcase ventilation systems that were too small in order to improve the environmental statistics. I don't think there was much one could do about it apart from changing oil very often and using good quality oil. Hard to overcome design defects. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
No doubt! That IBM PC was really an attempt to keep IBM employees from buying Apple computers, I think. A real turd, even by 1980 standards (since there were several others out there that were better). Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
Thanks for that -- My memory as usual has let me down... Larry On 7/22/2013 12:31 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Actually, MS sold IBM an operating system they did not have, and scrounged around until they found a company that had created an (illegal) technical reference clone of CPM using 16 bit instructions rather than the 8 bit 8080 instructions. If founder of Digital Research (who IBM had turned down) had been more interested at that point, he could had easily sued and closed MS down even during the Reagan years. Scrounge, copy, patch, swipe, outright steal, strongarm, sue has been the MS modus operandi since inception, and it shows. Peter Well, Billy bob's daddy is a high priced shyster. The acorn don't fall fer from da tree. Scrounge, copy, patch, swipe, outright steal, strongarm, sue has been the lawyer modus operandi for decades. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '91 350SDL bad news (OIL ANALYSIS QUESTION)
Ditto -- find a quality oil and forget the snake oils - be patient - I have heard about gunk buildupin Quaker State Oils but that's just anecdotal.. I have started using Amsoil and have been happy with it... speaking of which, it's time for an analysis... ;-) Larry On 7/22/2013 12:28 PM, Dieselhead wrote: For dino oils, Penzoil used to be bad about gunk buildup. Havoline never caused problems in my experience. As Larry says, use the proper oil and change it at more frequent intervals for a while. I think M1 will clean the gunk out over time. I do NOT have experience with engines that are started, driven a block or two and shut off. (severe duty) If the car has that kind of history, then for sure, re-read Larry's advice. I would NOT be dumping any kind of snake oil (or brake cleaner) in the crankcase for any purpose. Bardahl and Rislone used to make additives for this purpose with old 'merkun iron, but I would NOT use either in a modern MB with the current tight tolerances. YMMV Not off topic at all! If I understand your description of the gunk around the filler cap it sounds like it may be condensation which is normally forced to evaporate when the engine is driven long enough to get fully warmed up and stay warmed up for several miles. If the sludge is kind of grayish and the consistency of jello it may be condensation. If not, never mind. ;-) But in any case, sludge should not be forming on a engine receiving regular oil changes. Perhaps the PO failed to change the oil at regular intervals? I'm not familiar with the sensors MB uses to tell owners when to change their oil but if it goes more than 9000 miles or so I'd get antsy and change it anyway.We've done a number of TBN tests of various oils and the Total Base Number starts to be depleted after around 9000 miles. I know, some people go more miles than that without apparent problems but that's what the lab numbers say. Of course, different oils, weights, sub brands, and other factors contribute to different TBNs and their depletion rate.Total Base Number is a measure of the oils ability to neutralize the acids that are created by the combustion process. So it's a difference between black gooey stuff and a creamy grayish stuff. If it's black and gooey IMO oil changes have been neglected. If it's grayish and creamy, it's not being fully warmed up. Condensation is a common problem for people who start their car, drive a couple of miles to work/school or whatever and shut it down. I don't know what your driving habits are (or more likely the PO's) but if an engine is going to be started, it needs to be driven until it is warm, then maintain that heat for a while - this will force evaporate any moisture that condenses overnight. If the thermostat is not working properly the engine can fail to reach operating temp - my 91 300D was like this when we bought it and it never got above 160F - but this was winter in Va. LarryT 91 300D The Oil Analysis Co. youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
Can you say Amiga??? On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: A real turd, even by 1980 standards (since there were several others out there that were better). Peter -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] clay 603
Kaleb wrote: If you are talking about Wilton's car then yes Nope. The offer was from Clay. I offered to do work/drive in exchange for transit costs/food. Roadtrip - since it seems you have so little time to be situationally aware. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Houghton College says no
Randy wrote: If you think age is a factor, you might wish to suggest to some of these potential employers that you are prepared to work on a contract basis ( in order to get your foot in the door ). You are not out in left field, no, not at all. I did this in 2005 for several days, just to see if I could interface in a new environment, since my old environment was quite different. I stayed 6 years until they laid me off - one of the last to be laid off, fwiw. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
Oop, I wasn't being clear. Previously I was unable to find a distro I could make do everything I wanted... Saturday evening I managed to run my laptop with the powersupply accidentally disconnected from the wall. I hadn't configured the power minder and at some point the laptop just quit and managed to corrupt something (I haven't figured out just what yet) so it wouldn't boot. I went all day yesterday with no computer but headed over to Fry's and picked up a 32GB USB key drive ($18!) which today I put Puppy 5.5.5 (up from 5.3.3 I had been using before. I'm really digging 5.5.5, it comes with Firefox while I prefer Chromium but thats small potatoes. Runs like stink off the physically tiny Patriot drive which is an improvement over the physically larger Kingston 16GB I was using before. This could be a slick setup for somebody with a dead internal drive... -Curt Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:54:20 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer Message-ID: 20130720215420.31a79...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt wrote: I've been living full time on Puppy Linux for 5 days now and I'm very pleased with it. I've been living full time on Debian for a 12+ years now, and I'm pleased with it. *whew* That sounds like a long time! I'd given up on Linux because I couldn't find a distro that would reliably play web video. You expect a _distro_ to do exactly what you want? I think I've pestered you about this before. *smiles* That view may be the popular view - but a major advantage of Linux is trying to be the _one_ thing that meets everyone's needs - it's adaptable. It's silly to expect a distribution to package what you want. If you don't like what it is - it is both practical and _lawful_ to adapt and change it 'till you do like it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
yeah, Ethics weren't high on Bills list of priorities... He's not a role model anyone should ever consider for their kids or themselves for that matter. Unless you want to rule the world! Buawaaaw!! Too bad BG doesn't have a handlebar moustache - he'd be perfect standing next to a RR track twirling the tips of his 'stach while a pretty young maiden tied to the rails watches the train get closer and closer! Can you say Ruthless kiddies?And some of the things his foundationdonates to are at the extreme end of progressivism. LarryT On 7/22/2013 3:42 PM, clay wrote: on the head. They ripped the original owner of the OS off. When IBM went with OS/2, that peeved Evil Bill. On Jul 22, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Larry T wrote: I read a history of MS once and IIRC they were kind of forced intoexpanding their business. It's been many years since I read it but I think IBM (perhaps) was looking for an OS and after being turned away initially by MS they eventually came back and at that point, MS found a small company nearby who had created DOS - they bought DOS for something like $80K and it became MS-DOS which they then sold all over the world - and the PC was born (in a very condensed version) ;-) I may be wrong -- but I think that's what happened - LarryT On 7/21/2013 4:27 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: With no consumer dependency they will HAVE no market. The normal result of a monopoly, eventually people learn to get around it, and the organization dies -- no new ideas. Intel monopolized the PC chip market for something like 40 years, with a few exceptions, and is no no longer able to innovate anything -- all their corporate energy was used defending their turf. I'm amused that they think they can high end the market and survive. How are they gonna pay dividends to stock options to all those stockholders if they sell six supercomputers a year? Now that other designs have supplanted the x86 architecture (which really DOES date to the 1970s) they have nothing to compete with. RIP Intel. Microsoft has always produce crappy products, I don't know why anyone would think their hardware would be any better than their software. They have made their money by appropriating other peoples work for at least 30 years, and it's way to late to innovate there, too. MS is, and has always been, a derivative company, they derive their products from other peoples ideas and software (when they don't steal it outright). So long as Ballmer is in charge, this won't change no matter what re-organizations they try, they need to toss the entire company culture out and start again. Improvements in computers these days are very small compared to a few years ago. We now have a 5 year life cycle for desktops and laptops -- there is now real change in operation. We got stuck with the new Office this time around, which bites -- all sorts of annoying changes that do nothing but irritate me, there was NOTHING wrong with the menu system, it's not improved by making it harder to see, less organized, and piling all sorts of different functions onto one gigantic toolbar. I want to see my document, not all the crap some teenaged programmer wants to show off. This means there are not productivity improvements from replacing computers at work -- the only thing that works better now on my brand new one is startup, which is a function of some marginal changes in the OS, not anything else. I use it for email, word processing, and searching for products and parts on the Internet, hardly heavy duty use. My instrument computers acquire data at 15k Hz as a general rule , and the data process is trivial (although glacially slow due to the shit software, again dating from the 70's, just in software instead of slow hardware). Some of them use IEEE 488 bus connections, you see I don't need speed! MS drove all the other competitors out of business (think WordPerfect), and now they don't have anyone to steal code from, so they are history. Long overdue if you ask me, all that progaming talent could have been used to make life better, not make me suffer with crap software. Everybody thinks they are going to become a multitrillionare by writing trivial software or designing a computer chip. This stuff is all commodity, we should not have been paying anywhere near as much for it as we have been. One of the sources of our current economic problems. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesel Running Wild
On a sailboat forum I watch, there was a post from a guy saying he was moving along under power when the engine went to high rpms and stayed there until it was quiet - too quiet. I know what happens when the vacuum shutoff is installed wrong in a W123 240D but I'm not sure what would cause that to happen while moving along. What's the brain trust say? Thx LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Puppy Linux [was Re: (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer]
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I went all day yesterday with no computer but headed over to Fry's and picked up a 32GB USB key drive ($18!) which today I put Puppy 5.5.5 (up from 5.3.3 I had been using before. I'm really digging 5.5.5, it comes with Firefox while I prefer Chromium but thats small potatoes. Runs like stink off the physically tiny Patriot drive which is an improvement over the physically larger Kingston 16GB I was using before. This could be a slick setup for somebody with a dead internal drive... I went to the Puppy website and found only 5.5, and that is in two versions, Spup (Slacko) and Upup (Precise), although I could only find downloads for Slacko. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Running Wild
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:28:52 -0400 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: On a sailboat forum I watch, there was a post from a guy saying he was moving along under power when the engine went to high rpms and stayed there until it was quiet - too quiet. I know what happens when the vacuum shutoff is installed wrong in a W123 240D but I'm not sure what would cause that to happen while moving along. What's the brain trust say? Ingesting engine oil or someother uncontrolled fuel source? Not knowing the kind of engine makes it hard to guess Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Running Wild
Could be oil from a non-draining valve cover going into the intake, but it's also possible the governor failed. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car is boring
But it's not ugly:) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2013, at 12:47 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yup - it's the second ugliest color they used. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know burnt pumpkin orange has to be up there? Hendrik who likes vibrant colours, looked at a red S124 while back but it stalled during test drive -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
yeah, Ethics weren't high on Bills list of priorities... He's not a role model anyone should ever consider for their kids or themselves for that matter. Unless you want to rule the world! Buawaaaw!! Too bad BG doesn't have a handlebar moustache - he'd be perfect standing next to a RR track twirling the tips of his 'stach while a pretty young maiden tied to the rails watches the train get closer and closer! Can you say Ruthless kiddies?And some of the things his foundationdonates to are at the extreme end of progressivism. marks ism (like wanting to take over the world) LarryT See correction in the last sentence. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Running Wild
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:28:52 -0400 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: On a sailboat forum I watch, there was a post from a guy saying he was moving along under power when the engine went to high rpms and stayed there until it was quiet - too quiet. I know what happens when the vacuum shutoff is installed wrong in a W123 240D but I'm not sure what would cause that to happen while moving along. What's the brain trust say? Ingesting engine oil or someother uncontrolled fuel source? Not knowing the kind of engine makes it hard to guess Craig What Craig said. same as what Peter said in a more specific way. Air, fuel, and heat. Heat is there in a running diesel. Normally Air is unlimited in supply. Normally fuel is regulated. Loss of regulation or unexpected source of fuel, such as engine oil, and you have a ruunaway engine. You did not say what kind of engine. Most are not nearly as well designed/elegant as an OM616 or even a OM621. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Running Wild
Engine oil sucked in and burned? Engine goes quiet when it seizes due lack of lube. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 6:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Diesel Running Wild On a sailboat forum I watch, there was a post from a guy saying he was moving along under power when the engine went to high rpms and stayed there until it was quiet - too quiet. I know what happens when the vacuum shutoff is installed wrong in a W123 240D but I'm not sure what would cause that to happen while moving along. What's the brain trust say? Thx LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A Jaime green car is boring
Ugly is in the eye of the beholder :-) On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 8:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: But it's not ugly:) -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Running Wild
Volvo makes some very nice marine diesels. Detroit makes one, so does Cummins, but I'm not as impressed by them -- low compression engines with BIG turbochargers to make up for it, heavy, and use way too much fuel. Sorta like US pickup truck engines. None of them are immune to a governor failure, but I don't have any data on failure rates. A sailboat won't have a big engine -- MB 220D engines were popular in them for many years. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Running Wild
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 21:04:11 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: A sailboat won't have a big engine -- MB 220D engines were popular in them for many years. When I was in the USAF and had a one-year old 220D, a local fighter pilot told me he had been on a sailboat with a Mercedes diesel and that it had performed admirably. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Running Wild
It is very very difficult to push a sailboat past hull speed, typically 6 knots or so unless you are willing to apply huge amounts of horsepower. The hull had a terrific amount of drag at higher speeds, unlike power boats where the hull essentially comes out of the water and the boat flies on the propellor and rudders (a trick used reliably by the Germans in WWII with the E-Boats). That means a 40 or 60 horsepower engine is all you need, and it doesn't get much better than a MB four cylinder diesel. Fuel consumption is low, around a gallon an hour under full throttle, much less at lower speeds. Some friends of my aunt's had a two masted wooden schooner that they sailed the East Coast in -- took forever to get into New York one time as the top speed of the boat was 7.1 knots and the tide was running 7.0 knots against them in the channel. They basically stood still for four hours. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] List Mom duties
One group I'm on has fifteen moderators. It works surprisingly well because it's impossible to make any big changes since getting eight moderators to go along seems to be impossible. That said, how about several moderators on this list alternating moderator duties? Gerry From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Agreed - we just need a back-up Mom, A list step mom. On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Gerry wrote: Has anyone thought about running the list out of Yahoogroups? Ugh. I'd rather not. -- Philip ___ -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/6010 - Release Date: 07/22/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Running Wild
Well, my Cape Dory 27 had an 8 hp Yanmar and my Calunbia 8.7 (about 29 ft) had a 12 hp Volvo. Excess hp in a sail boat can help in a head wind but mostly wastes fuel. One runaway cause not mentioned might be leaking LP gas near the engine box. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 10:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel Running Wild It is very very difficult to push a sailboat past hull speed, typically 6 knots or so unless you are willing to apply huge amounts of horsepower. The hull had a terrific amount of drag at higher speeds, unlike power boats where the hull essentially comes out of the water and the boat flies on the propellor and rudders (a trick used reliably by the Germans in WWII with the E-Boats). That means a 40 or 60 horsepower engine is all you need, and it doesn't get much better than a MB four cylinder diesel. Fuel consumption is low, around a gallon an hour under full throttle, much less at lower speeds. Some friends of my aunt's had a two masted wooden schooner that they sailed the East Coast in -- took forever to get into New York one time as the top speed of the boat was 7.1 knots and the tide was running 7.0 knots against them in the channel. They basically stood still for four hours. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer
Larry wrote: I read a history of MS once and IIRC they were kind of forced intoexpanding their business. I think this is the version told in Triumph of the Nerds. Check it out at youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFL9IyJ_qHk 3 parts, 3 hours mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Puppy Linux
Whoops, I guess it is 5.5, I just checked. I was definitely on 5.3.3 though. This is Slacko and mine is the 4+GB one (as in its 64 bit and supports more than 4GB of RAM) although I don't think that matters a whole lot. -Curt Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 19:33:21 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT: Puppy Linux [was Re: (SPAM?) TCP/IP not working on WinXP computer] Message-ID: 20130722193321.cbb73a2cb24b5b0cf0f1f...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 17:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I went all day yesterday with no computer but headed over to Fry's and picked up a 32GB USB key drive ($18!) which today I put Puppy 5.5.5 (up from 5.3.3 I had been using before. I'm really digging 5.5.5, it comes with Firefox while I prefer Chromium but thats small potatoes. Runs like stink off the physically tiny Patriot drive which is an improvement over the physically larger Kingston 16GB I was using before. This could be a slick setup for somebody with a dead internal drive... I went to the Puppy website and found only 5.5, and that is in two versions, Spup (Slacko) and Upup (Precise), although I could only find downloads for Slacko. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lister Mom duties
Don't know you sort of need one person to make a decision otherwise it ends up a mess. I am here to lead, not read Hendrik who is a mod on the OzBenz forum, oooh the power to reject spammers On 23/07/13 11:35, Gerry Archer wrote: One group I'm on has fifteen moderators. It works surprisingly well because it's impossible to make any big changes since getting eight moderators to go along seems to be impossible. That said, how about several moderators on this list alternating moderator duties? Gerry From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Agreed - we just need a back-up Mom, A list step mom. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Running Wild
Larry wrote: On a sailboat forum I watch, there was a post from a guy saying he was moving along under power when the engine went to high rpms and stayed there until it was quiet - too quiet. I know what happens when the vacuum shutoff is installed wrong in a W123 240D but I'm not sure what would cause that to happen while moving along. Wow! You really think we are smart! Not even a tip as to the make or model. A diesel engine needs fuel, air (oxygen), and heat. The heat is provided every time there is compression - so that leaves air and fuel. Few diesels have any sort of intake throttling so if the engine was running, it likely has access to plenty of air. That leaves fuel. The reason for injectors is to control the time and quantity of fuel - but _any_ fuel in the cylinder can burn, just not as controlled and as efficiently as when it's injected. Almost certainly there was a new fuel source. Intake valve stem leak. Crankcase breather troubles. Propane, gasoline, or methanol leaking in the vicinity of the air intake. A terr orist spraying a can of WD-40 into the intake. Engine oil not staying where it belongs, like a pinhole leak in an oil cooler line. But whatever the fuel and whatever the source, unmetered fuel in the intake can easily cause the engine to over-rev. It's harder to over-rev when the engine is under load because typically the engine will develop quite a bit less power than it would with properly injected fuel. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lister Mom duties
How many big decisions have to be made on the list? Kalebs let alone model has been successful. Sending on pix and various emails, stopping spammers, warning about too much profanity, etc.; are about the only decisions moderators have to make. It's more a case of having a moderator on duty on a regular basis IMO. Gerry From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com Don't know you sort of need one person to make a decision otherwise it ends up a mess. I am here to lead, not read Hendrik who is a mod on the OzBenz forum, oooh the power to reject spammers On 23/07/13 11:35, Gerry Archer wrote: One group I'm on has fifteen moderators. It works surprisingly well because it's impossible to make any big changes since getting eight moderators to go along seems to be impossible. That said, how about several moderators on this list alternating moderator duties? Gerry From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Agreed - we just need a back-up Mom, A list step mom. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/6011 - Release Date: 07/22/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Puppy Linux
On Jul 22, 2013 9:04 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Whoops, I guess it is 5.5, I just checked. I was definitely on 5.3.3 though. At the risk of sounding like a Linux snob, I don't see why you would use Puppy unless you're running on _extremely_ limited hardware (like less than 512 Mb RAM or a CPU slower than 300 MHz). It's a crippled distribution in many ways (such as the fact that there's only one user, with full root privileges, hence no protection against inadvertently deleting system files). For a lightweight distribution that still has the full multimedia support you are looking for, I'd use Peppermint or Knoppix, but if your main interest is Netflix and Hulu, any distro intended for use as a home media center would work too. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
