date:20200429

That was the other thing - I was amazed at how slowly it turned, even at what 
appeared to be full throttle. Almost like a one lung/hit or miss engine.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> it was a horizontal two cylinder with s stroke that had to be measured in 
>> feet, or so it seemed.
> 
> A Johnny Popper.  Very distinctive sound, the two cylinders fire at 90 degrees
> from each other, not 180.  B-dap b-dap b-dap...
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

My grandfather, a mechanic, hated Ford tractors.  He said he saw far
too many of them in the shop.  He went with the MM instead, and a
Farmall 200.  Both were great tractors, but very different.

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> it was a horizontal two cylinder with s stroke that had to be measured in 
> feet, or so it seemed.

A Johnny Popper.  Very distinctive sound, the two cylinders fire at 90 degrees
from each other, not 180.  B-dap b-dap b-dap...

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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

2020-04-29 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Yes exactly. As a kid i used to watch my uncle throw that flywheel. My
grandfather had,a,cool 39 model B that you started on gas  & when it got
warmed up you kicked the lever over & it  ran on kerosene. Immediate belch
of black smoke then chugged along. I used to sit on his lap &  beg him to
make black smoke.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 9:13 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I knew little of the older JD diesel tractors until one day when I was in
> the generator business and we had a generator rental to deliver. When we
> did so there was no way to get it off the Landoll trailer we had delivered
> it on. It was a 350kW unit that weighed about 10,000 pounds. We sold it to
> a small dirt track oval raceway outside of Muncie, IN that was going to use
> it to power lighting for night races. This place was in the boonies and as
> a result did not have the required three phase utility power available for
> the lighting.
>
> So the guy goes running off and comes back a few minutes later with a guy
> driving this old tricycle style John Deere with a big flywheel on the side.
> He chains it up to the skid base of the generator, opens the throttle and
> drops the clutch. This thing barely grunted while it drug a 10,000 pound
> piece of equipment off the Landoll and across the grass to it’s resting
> place.
>
> When I got closer and had a look it was a horizontal two cylinder with s
> stroke that had to be measured in feet, or so it seemed. Had gasoline
> starting cups on it, too. It was a really cool tractor.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 9:05 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes the grey & red,Ford tractors,were 8N's. They had light front ends &
> would flip in hilly fields of NE PA. Hill farmers,used John Deere because
> tricycle front ends,were heavier- some even added,weights to front end
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 8:55 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > A lot of the farmers I worked with as a kid had the old Ford tractors -
> the ones that were red and gray (N series?) I can recall driving more than
> my share of those around, and they seemed quite bulletproof and strong. A
> few of the more prosperous farmers had the blue models. I don’t know if
> they were any better, but they seemed to be nicer in some respects from
> what I can recall.
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 29, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Beware of leaking injectors or feed lines on JD's that have them inside
> > > the engine itself.  My Dad's 'new' JD was basically a lemon, and ended
> up
> > > filling the crankcase with diesel fuel before needing expensive engine
> > > work.  It was also somewhat puny compared to the older tractors he was
> > > used to.
> > >
> > > He would have been far better served buying an older, bigger JD with
> > > a more traditional engine construction.  The lemon was turbo'd.  Lots
> of
> > > horsepower (on paper), but in practice fairly underwhelming for a lot
> of
> > > uses.
> > >
> > > It's my brother's problem, now.
> > >
> > > Nothing we had pulled/grunted like the old Moline UTS.  Heavy, redline
> > > at 1200 RPM.  40-odd HP, but torque that would rip things in half.  And
> > > an appetite for gasoline to match!
> > >
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I knew little of the older JD diesel tractors until one day when I was in the 
generator business and we had a generator rental to deliver. When we did so 
there was no way to get it off the Landoll trailer we had delivered it on. It 
was a 350kW unit that weighed about 10,000 pounds. We sold it to a small dirt 
track oval raceway outside of Muncie, IN that was going to use it to power 
lighting for night races. This place was in the boonies and as a result did not 
have the required three phase utility power available for the lighting.

So the guy goes running off and comes back a few minutes later with a guy 
driving this old tricycle style John Deere with a big flywheel on the side. He 
chains it up to the skid base of the generator, opens the throttle and drops 
the clutch. This thing barely grunted while it drug a 10,000 pound piece of 
equipment off the Landoll and across the grass to it’s resting place.

When I got closer and had a look it was a horizontal two cylinder with s stroke 
that had to be measured in feet, or so it seemed. Had gasoline starting cups on 
it, too. It was a really cool tractor.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 9:05 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Yes the grey & red,Ford tractors,were 8N's. They had light front ends & would 
> flip in hilly fields of NE PA. Hill farmers,used John Deere because tricycle 
> front ends,were heavier- some even added,weights to front end 
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 8:55 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> A lot of the farmers I worked with as a kid had the old Ford tractors - the 
> ones that were red and gray (N series?) I can recall driving more than my 
> share of those around, and they seemed quite bulletproof and strong. A few of 
> the more prosperous farmers had the blue models. I don’t know if they were 
> any better, but they seemed to be nicer in some respects from what I can 
> recall.
> 
> 
> 
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Beware of leaking injectors or feed lines on JD's that have them inside
> > the engine itself.  My Dad's 'new' JD was basically a lemon, and ended up
> > filling the crankcase with diesel fuel before needing expensive engine
> > work.  It was also somewhat puny compared to the older tractors he was
> > used to.
> > 
> > He would have been far better served buying an older, bigger JD with
> > a more traditional engine construction.  The lemon was turbo'd.  Lots of
> > horsepower (on paper), but in practice fairly underwhelming for a lot of
> > uses.
> > 
> > It's my brother's problem, now.
> > 
> > Nothing we had pulled/grunted like the old Moline UTS.  Heavy, redline
> > at 1200 RPM.  40-odd HP, but torque that would rip things in half.  And
> > an appetite for gasoline to match!
> > 
> > -- Jim
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

I did laugh when I read this. We’re so ingrained about being asked these 
qualifying questions with an option for “I would rather not answer”.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 8:57 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> The health care worker patiently explained it was for genetic tendencies to 
>> disease. Oh.
> 
> The ONLY legitimate reason for such a question, IMHO.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

2020-04-29 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Yes the grey & red,Ford tractors,were 8N's. They had light front ends &
would flip in hilly fields of NE PA. Hill farmers,used John Deere because
tricycle front ends,were heavier- some even added,weights to front end

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 8:55 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> A lot of the farmers I worked with as a kid had the old Ford tractors -
> the ones that were red and gray (N series?) I can recall driving more than
> my share of those around, and they seemed quite bulletproof and strong. A
> few of the more prosperous farmers had the blue models. I don’t know if
> they were any better, but they seemed to be nicer in some respects from
> what I can recall.
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Beware of leaking injectors or feed lines on JD's that have them inside
> > the engine itself.  My Dad's 'new' JD was basically a lemon, and ended up
> > filling the crankcase with diesel fuel before needing expensive engine
> > work.  It was also somewhat puny compared to the older tractors he was
> > used to.
> >
> > He would have been far better served buying an older, bigger JD with
> > a more traditional engine construction.  The lemon was turbo'd.  Lots of
> > horsepower (on paper), but in practice fairly underwhelming for a lot of
> > uses.
> >
> > It's my brother's problem, now.
> >
> > Nothing we had pulled/grunted like the old Moline UTS.  Heavy, redline
> > at 1200 RPM.  40-odd HP, but torque that would rip things in half.  And
> > an appetite for gasoline to match!
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

> The health care worker patiently explained it was for genetic tendencies to 
> disease. Oh.

The ONLY legitimate reason for such a question, IMHO.

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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

I see your front loader, and raise you one crane:

http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/Mog/Mogcarlift.jpg 


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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

A lot of the farmers I worked with as a kid had the old Ford tractors - the 
ones that were red and gray (N series?) I can recall driving more than my share 
of those around, and they seemed quite bulletproof and strong. A few of the 
more prosperous farmers had the blue models. I don’t know if they were any 
better, but they seemed to be nicer in some respects from what I can recall.



> On Apr 29, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Beware of leaking injectors or feed lines on JD's that have them inside
> the engine itself.  My Dad's 'new' JD was basically a lemon, and ended up
> filling the crankcase with diesel fuel before needing expensive engine
> work.  It was also somewhat puny compared to the older tractors he was
> used to.
> 
> He would have been far better served buying an older, bigger JD with
> a more traditional engine construction.  The lemon was turbo'd.  Lots of
> horsepower (on paper), but in practice fairly underwhelming for a lot of
> uses.
> 
> It's my brother's problem, now.
> 
> Nothing we had pulled/grunted like the old Moline UTS.  Heavy, redline
> at 1200 RPM.  40-odd HP, but torque that would rip things in half.  And
> an appetite for gasoline to match!
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

Beware of leaking injectors or feed lines on JD's that have them inside
the engine itself.  My Dad's 'new' JD was basically a lemon, and ended up
filling the crankcase with diesel fuel before needing expensive engine
work.  It was also somewhat puny compared to the older tractors he was
used to.

He would have been far better served buying an older, bigger JD with
a more traditional engine construction.  The lemon was turbo'd.  Lots of
horsepower (on paper), but in practice fairly underwhelming for a lot of
uses.

It's my brother's problem, now.

Nothing we had pulled/grunted like the old Moline UTS.  Heavy, redline
at 1200 RPM.  40-odd HP, but torque that would rip things in half.  And
an appetite for gasoline to match!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] clean gasket removal on transmission

Stuff a clean, lint free shop towel or it’s equivalent into the opening. Clean 
away.

I like brake cleaner for a job like this. It will soften or even remove the 
remains of the old gasket and sealant, and it evaporates when done.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I need to clean up the old gasket on my Honda Element tranmission (see
> OT thread on the suspected bad solenoid) before I install the new
> solenoid assembly.
> 
> I'm worried about getting any foreign material into the innards.
> 
> I have some gasket remover, but it's a spray and I don't see a great way
> to keep it from overspraying into the the exposed guts without some
> tedious masking.
> 
> A friend has a special disk for his die grinder, it's abrasive enough to
> remove old gaskets but not grind away metal. I think it's this, or
> something similar.
> 
>  https://www.amazon.com/3M-18733-Roloc-Bristle-Disc-Grade/dp/B01MSU3PYQ
> 
> It's nice for something like a water pump but the idea of a lot of paper
> dust flying around an open transmission doesn't seem like a good
> approach.
> 
> Any tricks of the trade for this?
> 
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[MBZ] clean gasket removal on transmission

I need to clean up the old gasket on my Honda Element tranmission (see
OT thread on the suspected bad solenoid) before I install the new
solenoid assembly.

I'm worried about getting any foreign material into the innards.

I have some gasket remover, but it's a spray and I don't see a great way
to keep it from overspraying into the the exposed guts without some
tedious masking.

A friend has a special disk for his die grinder, it's abrasive enough to
remove old gaskets but not grind away metal. I think it's this, or
something similar.

  https://www.amazon.com/3M-18733-Roloc-Bristle-Disc-Grade/dp/B01MSU3PYQ

It's nice for something like a water pump but the idea of a lot of paper
dust flying around an open transmission doesn't seem like a good
approach.

Any tricks of the trade for this?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy

2020-04-29 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:36:27 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
> 
> > Tomorrow I will try to put power directly to the solenoid and see if 
> > that energizes it and I can get this thing started.
> 
> Pick up a remote starter switch at FLAPS. Should be under $20. Mine has
> come in handy several times over the years to bypass everything else and
> verify that the starter solenoid and starter works.

No need to buy a remote starter switch. Save $20 and use a big
screwdriver from the battery cable on the starter to the solenoid
terminal.


> Have you checked the transmission neutral safety switch? Try starting in
> Neutral instead of Park, or wiggling the shift lever while you try to
> start.

Good ideas.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> Tomorrow I will try to put power directly to the solenoid and see if 
> that energizes it and I can get this thing started.

Pick up a remote starter switch at FLAPS. Should be under $20. Mine has
come in handy several times over the years to bypass everything else and
verify that the starter solenoid and starter works.

Have you checked the transmission neutral safety switch? Try starting in
Neutral instead of Park, or wiggling the shift lever while you try to
start.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Cafe au lait oil?

2020-04-29 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

Hell , even though I didn’t get a stimulus check, I’d still pony up a cool 
$1000 for it sight unseen. It’d be my retirement vehicle (replacing the ‘08 
CLK350 Cabriolet the boy totaled).
Kaleb has to pay for that fact tractor. He’s short on car buying moolah. 

Bob R


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> On Apr 29, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Heh. You beat the Klebster to it. I’ve been waiting for him to make his 
> stock offer.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:07 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'll give you $500 for it, and all your troubles will be gone.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:41 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok so I’m an idiot- there is in fact a coolant hose which goes into the
>>> bottom of the expansion tank. So I was finally able to check for bubbles
>>> and coolant surge and there was none. I will change the oil and see what
>>> happens.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 29, 2020, at 10:08 AM, MG via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
 
 Disconnect that line from the tank and put it into a glass of water and
>>> look for bubbles. Keep the connection on the tank closed with your finger
>>> and keep the cap on it.
 
 MG
 
 Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> Right but I don’t have a radiator neck, I have a coolant expansion tank
>>> with the hose entering the tank up high. How will I see bubbles or coolant
>>> surge in this situation?
> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The bubble part is what I was saying earlier….
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 7:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> CHANGE THE OIL IMMEDIATELY< AND FILTER.
>>> Oil with water is the kiss of death to bearing surface... DO NOT run
>>> engine
>>> till it has clean oil.
>>> 
>>> Then, run engine and watch for bubbles in radiator tank.. if head
>>> gasket is
>>> leaking, engine compression overpowers coolant pressure and
>>> compression gas
>>> will bubble up...
>>> If gasket is really leaking, the coolant will surge up the filler
>>> neck each
>>> time you rev up the engine...
>>> If it's a little seep leak, you will get bubbles...
>>> If you have bubbles or surge... head gasket replacement...
>>> 
 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Yes zerex GO5 replaced in 2012, car driven only a few thousand miles
 since. Been sitting in unheated garage for 3.5 years without getting
 started. Oil was changed 4.5 years ago.
 
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> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Could just be condensation -- I'd change the oil and filter pronto,
>>> no
 more idling!
> Sadly, it's more likely a head gasket if you have coolant loss.
> 
> You did keep proper anti-corrosive coolant in there, not green
>>> stuff,
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Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy

So I got my daughter to turn the key while I put the voltmeter on the
solenoid wire (purple). Nothing going to it. H.

There is 12V to the starter. That cable comes off the back of the
alternator from a cable that goes from the battery to the alternator and
they appear to be bolted together there on the back, so that is a direct
12V connection.

I moved some relays around again for the solenoid in the fuse box, I
could feel and hear the relay click but still no power to the starter
solenoid. h.

I opened up the fuse box to see if I could see the largish purple wire
coming out of it at the bottom of the fuse/relay panel and going to the
solenoid but there was no purple wire. I followed it from the starter
solenoid and it appears to go up over the engine in a harness that runs
along the injector rail and goes somewhere, I thought into the fuse
box. But since I don't see it in there, I am now wondering if this switch

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-ignition-starter-switch-ml320-ml350-ml430-ml500-ml55-amg-1685451004oe

might be bad. "The ignition starter switch is used to activate the
main electrical system for your vehicle. A starter switch provides power
to the starter solenoid, electronic control unit (ECU) and ignition coil."

I guess that could be it as I am not sure if there is anything else in
the circuit that could be bad since the relay is clicking, and I
measured 12V across the relay socket. I guess I could try a direct
jumper across that to see if any power is going to the solenoid, or to
see if the relay is getting power to trip it when the key is turned.
Have not done that yet. I don't know if that relay sends power to the
ignition starter switch, but now I'm thinking it must as I did not see
the purple wire coming out of the fuse box so maybe it is coming off the
switch?

Tomorrow I will try to put power directly to the solenoid and see if
that energizes it and I can get this thing started.

ARGH!

--FT

On 4/29/20 4:02 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I like that idea. Start your T/S at the starter end. After verifying that
the starter motor will engage, try to power the solenoid.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:42 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Big screwdriver across the starter to prove that it works? It'd be
annoying to troubleshoot all around it only to find that the starter is
bad...
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 3:31:43 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via
Mercedes wrote:

I have been fooling around with this ML500 that I don't have a title for
as it has a lean.

Recall that when I first got it it was showing a Start Error and there
were various codes for this and that, which I cleared but it would still
show a Start Error but no new codes showed up so that did not indicate
much of anything. Thinking it might be the DAS ring I picked up another
one off an ML at LKQ last Saturday and swapped that in to see what might
happen. It was a different part number but same unit it looked, plugged
in fine. No joy, still a Start Error. So I put the old one back in and
gave it a go, no Start Error now (YAY!!!) now but still no cranking
either. Everything else lights up and whirs and clicks and makes the
right noises except the starter.

I've scanned it several times and no codes at all, everything looks good
in the various nannies so that is good. So at least the Start Error is
gone. There is a red light on the dash that blinks once or twice that
supposedly indicates the alarm has not disabled the car, and I could get
it to blink and stay solid using the fancy computer to trigger it then
go back to "normal" so that suggests it is not disabled. I saw no other
switches and events that would indicate that.

There were some suggestions I saw that indicated a coupla relays might
not be working so I checked those, swapped in other ones, I could hear
them clicking, power at various pins on the relay sockets were good and
the nannies said they checked out. Since I am seeing voltages at the
relays I have to conclude the ignition switch is OK as it lights up the
dash and the relays and such. I've also put good batteries in, voltages
are good, but nothing is cranking.

Turns out there is a 100A ceramic fuse on the positive battery terminal
that looks like the starter connects too, the fuse was good near as I
could tell, looked clean and fairly new. But maybe not, I was thinking
to clamp the cable directly to the terminal to see if that worked but
didn't yet.

So now I am thinking there must be a bad starter relay somewhere, if
there is one, that I am not seeing. Maybe on the starter? Only thing I
have seen is the small relay in the fuse box under the hood, which
appears to be working. Or the starter solenoid itself or the starter
has gone bad? I have not been under the car yet to see if there is
voltage going to the starter or to try to put power di

Re: [MBZ] Finny

Most likely done to have a better choice of tires. 13" tires are not so
easy to find. Still wrong, though.

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Bundts on any finnie are wrong.
>
> -D
>
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Bundt wheels on that car are just wrong.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> He must have patented every shade of every color that was never used
>>> previously so they all stood out like a sore d*c*.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:24 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Earl Scheib.
 
 -D
 
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> The shade of blue is vaguely unfamiliar.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Maybe
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Didn’t someone post this earlier today? Rick?
>>> 
>>> I recall the tape around the left headlight.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 1968 Mercedes Benz 230 Fintail - RUNS and DRIVES W110
 
 
>> 
 https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/d/dallas-1968-mercedes-benz-230-fintail/7115123123.html
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

2020-04-29 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

Yeah, my sister in law is Nigerian.  Her father is a retired Anglican priest, 
lovely people now that Mom has learned enough English to communicate with the 
very language defficent local family (us).

Very different culture, but I enjoy the difference.  Far less individual 
"me-ness"  much more community inclusion.
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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

I wonder if it will pickup a whole car if I put the forks under the middle. 
That would be great but I don’t think this one is big enough for that. With 
forks on it if the weight is further out from the loader pin it won’t lift as 
much. 

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> 
> LOL
> 
> Wait until he gets his forks on the front of it.
> 
> -D
> 
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> Remind me to never ask you to move my car.
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>> This should make thinks a lot easier
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

I used the bucket on those 2 because bumpers were already messed up. Normally I 
use a pallet fork attachment and it will not damage anything while lifting. 

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> Remind me to never ask you to move my car.
> 
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>> This should make thinks a lot easier
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

LOL

Wait until he gets his forks on the front of it.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Remind me to never ask you to move my car.
> 
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>> This should make thinks a lot easier
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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

2020-04-29 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Remind me to never ask you to move my car.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

2020-04-29 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

Nice. That is plenty of tractor, I’d say. 

Bob R

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> On Apr 29, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Then 240Ds are quite stout. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm impressed that you were able to tow that thing with a 240D automatic!
>> LOL
>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E420

Was that FHA? Maybe I got screwed over. 

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> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Holy cow! Our refi added PMI, it's like $35/mo...
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:25 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> If at some point I sell the old house I would imagine I probably will take 
> the cash from that and plow it into this house then refi it at a much lower 
> rate and term and without PMI. The loan in the new house is FHA and the PMI 
> is close to $300 a month of the payment. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > That sucks. Sorry to hear that.
> > 
> > We just did a refinance on our new house because we went into with the bare 
> > minimum (5%) to avoid tying up cash. Now that our former house has sold, 
> > we’re rolling a good part of the proceeds into the new house’s mortgage and 
> > knocking the rate down over a full point to 2.5% for 15 years. We applied 
> > and got approved in record time, like three days. Mortgage guy said we 
> > would probably not be able to close until mid May, as new home buyers get 
> > priority in the closing queue.
> > 
> > New home mortgages must have tanked significantly, as our late May closing 
> > is now next week.
> > 
> > Another interesting thing: Our mortgage company is requiring employment 
> > verification within 24 hours of our closing and a questionnaire about 
> > COVID-19 issues that have Federal penalties if you misrepresent the 
> > answers. Wow.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> >> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> The deal for the other house didn’t work out, so we’re staying put at 
> >> least for now. Since we don’t have enough income for another loan for the 
> >> new property, we either have to be able to do a rent/pre-occupancy deal 
> >> while our house sells or a contingent, bumpable buyer. With four dogs, and 
> >> being both visually impaired, we can’t be in limbo without a place to 
> >> live. The seller’s lender was going to allow pre-occupancy, but her lender 
> >> wouldn’t approve our rent as income so she couldn’t more forward with the 
> >> loan on her new property.
> >> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> >> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
> >> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine, soon to be 
> >> back on the road!!!
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
>  On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>   wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Yeah, I was really lucky to score this one. I’m surprised someone didn’t 
> >>> beat me to it.
> >>> 
> >>> Sounds like the 240D is just about ready to go. How much longer before 
> >>> you move out to the new digs?
> >>> 
> >>> -D
> >>> 
>  On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>   wrote:
>  
>  Sounds like you got an awesome deal on that E420! A used car of any era 
>  with EVERYTHING working is a rarity, let alone one that is 25 years old! 
>  I finally got some news on my 1982 240D that’s been in the shop since 
>  February. They are wrapping things up, and it COULD be ready by the end 
>  of the week! It will be nice to have Hilde back! My niece moved up here 
>  from California, and she’s excited to drive it!
>  Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>  2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
>  1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine soon to be 
>  back on the road!!!
>  
>  Sent from my iPhone
>  
> >> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> > 
> > The $1500 1995 E420 arrived yesterday morning from Columbus OH about 
> > 9:30. No surprises for the most part.
> > 
> > I forgot how much fun these cars are. Really. The W124 has that “bank 
> > vault” feeling when you close the door, and the interior, while 
> > spartan, is comfortable yet “tight”. Engine idles smoothly, could 
> > easily pass the champagne glass test. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, 
> > works on this car. If there was a complaint I would say that the 
> > sunroof doesn’t open all the way, but that’s clearly due to a need for 
> > a good greasing. Suspension is tight, there’s no wandering, swaying and 
> > the steering tracks straight and true.
> > 
> > The good:
> > 
> > Everything works
> > 113,000 miles on the clock
> > All maintenance up to date
> > Nearly new (snow) tires on the car, spare set of wheels with old 
> > Michelins
> > Suspension rubber appears to be tight
> > No road or drivetrain noises
> > Inside of valve covers are CLEAN
> > 
> > The bad, or not so bad:
> > 
> > Paint on roof is toast. Clear coat is a crackle finish. Good part is 
> > that this is limited to the roof, so it would be easy to fix. Rest of 
> > the paint is good.
> > Driver’s seat bot

Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

Then 240Ds are quite stout. 

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> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:36 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm impressed that you were able to tow that thing with a 240D automatic!
> LOL
> 
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>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E420

FHA really screws you on PMI. Reason it went that way way DTI was too high 
carrying both loans to qualify for conventional. Supposedly after showing 
rental income for a couple of years that can be included in a refi so get out 
of FHA. I just have not done anything about it yet. Within the next 2-3 years I 
will probably either do that or sell the rental and pay this house way down. Or 
maybe I will just sell all my junk, sell both houses and whatever cash I get 
use that to pay cash for whatever I can get for whatever amount that ends up 
being and not have a payment anymore.

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> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Holy cow! You must have been a hell of a risk when that mortgage was 
> underwritten! Or is it because it’s an FHA mortgage?
> 
> On a $285k mortgage we put 5% down on ($300k sale price) our PMI is 
> $83/month. Even that’s a screw, as the house appraised for $315k. They would 
> get their money back and more if we defaulted.
> 
> That’s another reason for the refi, although a minor one. Get rid of PMI and 
> accelerate the mortgage. Cost about $1400 to buy down a point, that will get 
> amortized in no time flat. We pay biweekly on the current one and will do the 
> same on the refinance, too. That means two payments a year go directly to 
> principle.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If at some point I sell the old house I would imagine I probably will take 
>> the cash from that and plow it into this house then refi it at a much lower 
>> rate and term and without PMI. The loan in the new house is FHA and the PMI 
>> is close to $300 a month of the payment. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That sucks. Sorry to hear that.
>>> 
>>> We just did a refinance on our new house because we went into with the bare 
>>> minimum (5%) to avoid tying up cash. Now that our former house has sold, 
>>> we’re rolling a good part of the proceeds into the new house’s mortgage and 
>>> knocking the rate down over a full point to 2.5% for 15 years. We applied 
>>> and got approved in record time, like three days. Mortgage guy said we 
>>> would probably not be able to close until mid May, as new home buyers get 
>>> priority in the closing queue.
>>> 
>>> New home mortgages must have tanked significantly, as our late May closing 
>>> is now next week.
>>> 
>>> Another interesting thing: Our mortgage company is requiring employment 
>>> verification within 24 hours of our closing and a questionnaire about 
>>> COVID-19 issues that have Federal penalties if you misrepresent the 
>>> answers. Wow.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 The deal for the other house didn’t work out, so we’re staying put at 
 least for now. Since we don’t have enough income for another loan for the 
 new property, we either have to be able to do a rent/pre-occupancy deal 
 while our house sells or a contingent, bumpable buyer. With four dogs, and 
 being both visually impaired, we can’t be in limbo without a place to 
 live. The seller’s lender was going to allow pre-occupancy, but her lender 
 wouldn’t approve our rent as income so she couldn’t more forward with the 
 loan on her new property.
 Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine, soon to be 
 back on the road!!!
 
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>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I was really lucky to score this one. I’m surprised someone didn’t 
> beat me to it.
> 
> Sounds like the 240D is just about ready to go. How much longer before 
> you move out to the new digs?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds like you got an awesome deal on that E420! A used car of any era 
>> with EVERYTHING working is a rarity, let alone one that is 25 years old! 
>> I finally got some news on my 1982 240D that’s been in the shop since 
>> February. They are wrapping things up, and it COULD be ready by the end 
>> of the week! It will be nice to have Hilde back! My niece moved up here 
>> from California, and she’s excited to drive it!
>> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
>> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine soon to be 
>> back on the road!!!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The $1500 1995 E420 arrived yesterday morning from Columbus OH about 
>>> 9:30. No surprises for the most part.
>>> 
>>> I forgot how much fun these cars are. Rea

Re: [MBZ] New arrival at Okie Acres

2020-04-29 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes

I'm impressed that you were able to tow that thing with a 240D automatic!
 LOL

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, Kaleb Striplin wrote:


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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E420

Holy cow! Our refi added PMI, it's like $35/mo...
Curt

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  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:25 PM, Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   If at some point I sell the old house 
I would imagine I probably will take the cash from that and plow it into this 
house then refi it at a much lower rate and term and without PMI. The loan in 
the new house is FHA and the PMI is close to $300 a month of the payment. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That sucks. Sorry to hear that.
> 
> We just did a refinance on our new house because we went into with the bare 
> minimum (5%) to avoid tying up cash. Now that our former house has sold, 
> we’re rolling a good part of the proceeds into the new house’s mortgage and 
> knocking the rate down over a full point to 2.5% for 15 years. We applied and 
> got approved in record time, like three days. Mortgage guy said we would 
> probably not be able to close until mid May, as new home buyers get priority 
> in the closing queue.
> 
> New home mortgages must have tanked significantly, as our late May closing is 
> now next week.
> 
> Another interesting thing: Our mortgage company is requiring employment 
> verification within 24 hours of our closing and a questionnaire about 
> COVID-19 issues that have Federal penalties if you misrepresent the answers. 
> Wow.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The deal for the other house didn’t work out, so we’re staying put at least 
>> for now. Since we don’t have enough income for another loan for the new 
>> property, we either have to be able to do a rent/pre-occupancy deal while 
>> our house sells or a contingent, bumpable buyer. With four dogs, and being 
>> both visually impaired, we can’t be in limbo without a place to live. The 
>> seller’s lender was going to allow pre-occupancy, but her lender wouldn’t 
>> approve our rent as income so she couldn’t more forward with the loan on her 
>> new property.
>> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
>> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine, soon to be 
>> back on the road!!!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I was really lucky to score this one. I’m surprised someone didn’t 
>>> beat me to it.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like the 240D is just about ready to go. How much longer before you 
>>> move out to the new digs?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Sounds like you got an awesome deal on that E420! A used car of any era 
 with EVERYTHING working is a rarity, let alone one that is 25 years old! I 
 finally got some news on my 1982 240D that’s been in the shop since 
 February. They are wrapping things up, and it COULD be ready by the end of 
 the week! It will be nice to have Hilde back! My niece moved up here from 
 California, and she’s excited to drive it!
 Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine soon to be 
 back on the road!!!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> The $1500 1995 E420 arrived yesterday morning from Columbus OH about 
> 9:30. No surprises for the most part.
> 
> I forgot how much fun these cars are. Really. The W124 has that “bank 
> vault” feeling when you close the door, and the interior, while spartan, 
> is comfortable yet “tight”. Engine idles smoothly, could easily pass the 
> champagne glass test. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, works on this car. 
> If there was a complaint I would say that the sunroof doesn’t open all 
> the way, but that’s clearly due to a need for a good greasing. Suspension 
> is tight, there’s no wandering, swaying and the steering tracks straight 
> and true.
> 
> The good:
> 
> Everything works
> 113,000 miles on the clock
> All maintenance up to date
> Nearly new (snow) tires on the car, spare set of wheels with old Michelins
> Suspension rubber appears to be tight
> No road or drivetrain noises
> Inside of valve covers are CLEAN
> 
> The bad, or not so bad:
> 
> Paint on roof is toast. Clear coat is a crackle finish. Good part is that 
> this is limited to the roof, so it would be easy to fix. Rest of the 
> paint is good.
> Driver’s seat bottom is torn
> One rear headrest is split
> Front bumper cover is missing under right corner. Gone.
> ASR and ABS lights are on. SDS revealed a bad idle position switch, which 
> is on order
> Brake booster leaks internally
> Both air intake hoses are toast
> Broken right front sway bar bracket
> Coolant reservoir leve

Re: [MBZ] 1995 E420

Holy cow! You must have been a hell of a risk when that mortgage was 
underwritten! Or is it because it’s an FHA mortgage?

On a $285k mortgage we put 5% down on ($300k sale price) our PMI is $83/month. 
Even that’s a screw, as the house appraised for $315k. They would get their 
money back and more if we defaulted.

That’s another reason for the refi, although a minor one. Get rid of PMI and 
accelerate the mortgage. Cost about $1400 to buy down a point, that will get 
amortized in no time flat. We pay biweekly on the current one and will do the 
same on the refinance, too. That means two payments a year go directly to 
principle.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If at some point I sell the old house I would imagine I probably will take 
> the cash from that and plow it into this house then refi it at a much lower 
> rate and term and without PMI. The loan in the new house is FHA and the PMI 
> is close to $300 a month of the payment. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That sucks. Sorry to hear that.
>> 
>> We just did a refinance on our new house because we went into with the bare 
>> minimum (5%) to avoid tying up cash. Now that our former house has sold, 
>> we’re rolling a good part of the proceeds into the new house’s mortgage and 
>> knocking the rate down over a full point to 2.5% for 15 years. We applied 
>> and got approved in record time, like three days. Mortgage guy said we would 
>> probably not be able to close until mid May, as new home buyers get priority 
>> in the closing queue.
>> 
>> New home mortgages must have tanked significantly, as our late May closing 
>> is now next week.
>> 
>> Another interesting thing: Our mortgage company is requiring employment 
>> verification within 24 hours of our closing and a questionnaire about 
>> COVID-19 issues that have Federal penalties if you misrepresent the answers. 
>> Wow.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The deal for the other house didn’t work out, so we’re staying put at least 
>>> for now. Since we don’t have enough income for another loan for the new 
>>> property, we either have to be able to do a rent/pre-occupancy deal while 
>>> our house sells or a contingent, bumpable buyer. With four dogs, and being 
>>> both visually impaired, we can’t be in limbo without a place to live. The 
>>> seller’s lender was going to allow pre-occupancy, but her lender wouldn’t 
>>> approve our rent as income so she couldn’t more forward with the loan on 
>>> her new property.
>>> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>>> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
>>> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine, soon to be 
>>> back on the road!!!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Yeah, I was really lucky to score this one. I’m surprised someone didn’t 
 beat me to it.
 
 Sounds like the 240D is just about ready to go. How much longer before you 
 move out to the new digs?
 
 -D
 
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you got an awesome deal on that E420! A used car of any era 
> with EVERYTHING working is a rarity, let alone one that is 25 years old! 
> I finally got some news on my 1982 240D that’s been in the shop since 
> February. They are wrapping things up, and it COULD be ready by the end 
> of the week! It will be nice to have Hilde back! My niece moved up here 
> from California, and she’s excited to drive it!
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine soon to be 
> back on the road!!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The $1500 1995 E420 arrived yesterday morning from Columbus OH about 
>> 9:30. No surprises for the most part.
>> 
>> I forgot how much fun these cars are. Really. The W124 has that “bank 
>> vault” feeling when you close the door, and the interior, while spartan, 
>> is comfortable yet “tight”. Engine idles smoothly, could easily pass the 
>> champagne glass test. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, works on this car. 
>> If there was a complaint I would say that the sunroof doesn’t open all 
>> the way, but that’s clearly due to a need for a good greasing. 
>> Suspension is tight, there’s no wandering, swaying and the steering 
>> tracks straight and true.
>> 
>> The good:
>> 
>> Everything works
>> 113,000 miles on the clock
>> All maintenance up to date
>> Nearly new (snow) tires on the car, spare set of wheels with old 
>> Michelins
>> Suspension rubber appears to be tight

Re: [MBZ] 1995 E420

If at some point I sell the old house I would imagine I probably will take the 
cash from that and plow it into this house then refi it at a much lower rate 
and term and without PMI. The loan in the new house is FHA and the PMI is close 
to $300 a month of the payment. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That sucks. Sorry to hear that.
> 
> We just did a refinance on our new house because we went into with the bare 
> minimum (5%) to avoid tying up cash. Now that our former house has sold, 
> we’re rolling a good part of the proceeds into the new house’s mortgage and 
> knocking the rate down over a full point to 2.5% for 15 years. We applied and 
> got approved in record time, like three days. Mortgage guy said we would 
> probably not be able to close until mid May, as new home buyers get priority 
> in the closing queue.
> 
> New home mortgages must have tanked significantly, as our late May closing is 
> now next week.
> 
> Another interesting thing: Our mortgage company is requiring employment 
> verification within 24 hours of our closing and a questionnaire about 
> COVID-19 issues that have Federal penalties if you misrepresent the answers. 
> Wow.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The deal for the other house didn’t work out, so we’re staying put at least 
>> for now. Since we don’t have enough income for another loan for the new 
>> property, we either have to be able to do a rent/pre-occupancy deal while 
>> our house sells or a contingent, bumpable buyer. With four dogs, and being 
>> both visually impaired, we can’t be in limbo without a place to live. The 
>> seller’s lender was going to allow pre-occupancy, but her lender wouldn’t 
>> approve our rent as income so she couldn’t more forward with the loan on her 
>> new property.
>> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
>> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine, soon to be 
>> back on the road!!!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I was really lucky to score this one. I’m surprised someone didn’t 
>>> beat me to it.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like the 240D is just about ready to go. How much longer before you 
>>> move out to the new digs?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Sounds like you got an awesome deal on that E420! A used car of any era 
 with EVERYTHING working is a rarity, let alone one that is 25 years old! I 
 finally got some news on my 1982 240D that’s been in the shop since 
 February. They are wrapping things up, and it COULD be ready by the end of 
 the week! It will be nice to have Hilde back! My niece moved up here from 
 California, and she’s excited to drive it!
 Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine soon to be 
 back on the road!!!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> The $1500 1995 E420 arrived yesterday morning from Columbus OH about 
> 9:30. No surprises for the most part.
> 
> I forgot how much fun these cars are. Really. The W124 has that “bank 
> vault” feeling when you close the door, and the interior, while spartan, 
> is comfortable yet “tight”. Engine idles smoothly, could easily pass the 
> champagne glass test. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, works on this car. 
> If there was a complaint I would say that the sunroof doesn’t open all 
> the way, but that’s clearly due to a need for a good greasing. Suspension 
> is tight, there’s no wandering, swaying and the steering tracks straight 
> and true.
> 
> The good:
> 
> Everything works
> 113,000 miles on the clock
> All maintenance up to date
> Nearly new (snow) tires on the car, spare set of wheels with old Michelins
> Suspension rubber appears to be tight
> No road or drivetrain noises
> Inside of valve covers are CLEAN
> 
> The bad, or not so bad:
> 
> Paint on roof is toast. Clear coat is a crackle finish. Good part is that 
> this is limited to the roof, so it would be easy to fix. Rest of the 
> paint is good.
> Driver’s seat bottom is torn
> One rear headrest is split
> Front bumper cover is missing under right corner. Gone.
> ASR and ABS lights are on. SDS revealed a bad idle position switch, which 
> is on order
> Brake booster leaks internally
> Both air intake hoses are toast
> Broken right front sway bar bracket
> Coolant reservoir level switch is bad
> Trunk lid stops are gone
> Fuse box lid has one hook broken off
> Retainer mounts on the tops of the headlights are broken or missing

Re: [MBZ] 1995 E420

If you have a lot of crap or unusual circumstances such as owning 80 cars it 
makes it difficult to buy a new house while still keeping your existing house. 
You have to have a while to move all of your crap out before you can put old 
house on the market. We got lucky and were able to squeak by with 2 mortgages 
so I could move all cars to new location. No way you could try to sell a house 
while having that many cars. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The deal for the other house didn’t work out, so we’re staying put at least 
> for now. Since we don’t have enough income for another loan for the new 
> property, we either have to be able to do a rent/pre-occupancy deal while our 
> house sells or a contingent, bumpable buyer. With four dogs, and being both 
> visually impaired, we can’t be in limbo without a place to live. The seller’s 
> lender was going to allow pre-occupancy, but her lender wouldn’t approve our 
> rent as income so she couldn’t more forward with the loan on her new property.
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine, soon to be 
> back on the road!!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I was really lucky to score this one. I’m surprised someone didn’t 
>> beat me to it.
>> 
>> Sounds like the 240D is just about ready to go. How much longer before you 
>> move out to the new digs?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sounds like you got an awesome deal on that E420! A used car of any era 
>>> with EVERYTHING working is a rarity, let alone one that is 25 years old! I 
>>> finally got some news on my 1982 240D that’s been in the shop since 
>>> February. They are wrapping things up, and it COULD be ready by the end of 
>>> the week! It will be nice to have Hilde back! My niece moved up here from 
>>> California, and she’s excited to drive it!
>>> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>>> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
>>> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine soon to be 
>>> back on the road!!!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:

 The $1500 1995 E420 arrived yesterday morning from Columbus OH about 
 9:30. No surprises for the most part.

 I forgot how much fun these cars are. Really. The W124 has that “bank 
 vault” feeling when you close the door, and the interior, while spartan, 
 is comfortable yet “tight”. Engine idles smoothly, could easily pass the 
 champagne glass test. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, works on this car. If 
 there was a complaint I would say that the sunroof doesn’t open all the 
 way, but that’s clearly due to a need for a good greasing. Suspension is 
 tight, there’s no wandering, swaying and the steering tracks straight and 
 true.

 The good:

 Everything works
 113,000 miles on the clock
 All maintenance up to date
 Nearly new (snow) tires on the car, spare set of wheels with old Michelins
 Suspension rubber appears to be tight
 No road or drivetrain noises
 Inside of valve covers are CLEAN

 The bad, or not so bad:

 Paint on roof is toast. Clear coat is a crackle finish. Good part is that 
 this is limited to the roof, so it would be easy to fix. Rest of the paint 
 is good.
 Driver’s seat bottom is torn
 One rear headrest is split
 Front bumper cover is missing under right corner. Gone.
 ASR and ABS lights are on. SDS revealed a bad idle position switch, which 
 is on order
 Brake booster leaks internally
 Both air intake hoses are toast
 Broken right front sway bar bracket
 Coolant reservoir level switch is bad
 Trunk lid stops are gone
 Fuse box lid has one hook broken off
 Retainer mounts on the tops of the headlights are broken or missing
 Blower motor regulator needs to be replaced, only runs on low speed
 Cover for seat heater fuses is missing

 So yes, it’s not perfect and there are some minor repairs needed, but the 
 seller made these all known so they’re not a surprise. I’ve ordered all of 
 the parts necessary for the repairs so as those trickle in I’ll be 
 covering the jobs as I do them. Big ones will be the brake booster and the 
 blower motor regulator. All the rest are little rinky-dink ones I can do 
 as the parts show up. I ordered a new lock cylinder, too, as the keys I 
 have are both pretty worn. Might as well replace the lock cylinder and get 
 a new key out of the deal since I would order a new key anyway.

 I’ll drive it with the snow tires as they’re literally new. No need to 
 drop serious coin for new skins when these will do the

Re: [MBZ] Racism

Exactly. Many of the ethnic groups in that part of Africa are *very* black, 
rather than brown like most African Americans.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 29/04/2020 4:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Not that it matters, but if they’re Nigerian, they most likely look very 
>> different from a black (African-American) from Minnesota depending on what 
>> part of Nigeria they’re from...
>> 
>> -D
>> 
> Quite true. Some are very black - ebony? And many are very tall and thin.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] oh man I want this soooo bad


And you could fire up the pump and provide free car washes to all attendees.

RB


On 29/04/2020 3:53 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

You need it... It has "Chick Magnet" written all over it...
Think how much goodness it could haul to the next "Q"

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:55 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:


On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:55:55 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


And it has a rare zundfolge engine!



https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-lt-8-l407-firetruck/

It looks beautiful, especially with the pump on the front.

It is now $15k with 6 days to go.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] Racism


On 29/04/2020 4:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Not that it matters, but if they’re Nigerian, they most likely look very 
different from a black (African-American) from Minnesota depending on what part 
of Nigeria they’re from...

-D


Quite true. Some are very black - ebony? And many are very tall and thin.

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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E420

That sucks. Sorry to hear that.

We just did a refinance on our new house because we went into with the bare 
minimum (5%) to avoid tying up cash. Now that our former house has sold, we’re 
rolling a good part of the proceeds into the new house’s mortgage and knocking 
the rate down over a full point to 2.5% for 15 years. We applied and got 
approved in record time, like three days. Mortgage guy said we would probably 
not be able to close until mid May, as new home buyers get priority in the 
closing queue.

New home mortgages must have tanked significantly, as our late May closing is 
now next week.

Another interesting thing: Our mortgage company is requiring employment 
verification within 24 hours of our closing and a questionnaire about COVID-19 
issues that have Federal penalties if you misrepresent the answers. Wow.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The deal for the other house didn’t work out, so we’re staying put at least 
> for now. Since we don’t have enough income for another loan for the new 
> property, we either have to be able to do a rent/pre-occupancy deal while our 
> house sells or a contingent, bumpable buyer. With four dogs, and being both 
> visually impaired, we can’t be in limbo without a place to live. The seller’s 
> lender was going to allow pre-occupancy, but her lender wouldn’t approve our 
> rent as income so she couldn’t more forward with the loan on her new property.
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine, soon to be 
> back on the road!!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I was really lucky to score this one. I’m surprised someone didn’t 
>> beat me to it.
>> 
>> Sounds like the 240D is just about ready to go. How much longer before you 
>> move out to the new digs?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sounds like you got an awesome deal on that E420! A used car of any era 
>>> with EVERYTHING working is a rarity, let alone one that is 25 years old! I 
>>> finally got some news on my 1982 240D that’s been in the shop since 
>>> February. They are wrapping things up, and it COULD be ready by the end of 
>>> the week! It will be nice to have Hilde back! My niece moved up here from 
>>> California, and she’s excited to drive it!
>>> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>>> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
>>> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine soon to be 
>>> back on the road!!!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:

 The $1500 1995 E420 arrived yesterday morning from Columbus OH about 
 9:30. No surprises for the most part.

 I forgot how much fun these cars are. Really. The W124 has that “bank 
 vault” feeling when you close the door, and the interior, while spartan, 
 is comfortable yet “tight”. Engine idles smoothly, could easily pass the 
 champagne glass test. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, works on this car. If 
 there was a complaint I would say that the sunroof doesn’t open all the 
 way, but that’s clearly due to a need for a good greasing. Suspension is 
 tight, there’s no wandering, swaying and the steering tracks straight and 
 true.

 The good:

 Everything works
 113,000 miles on the clock
 All maintenance up to date
 Nearly new (snow) tires on the car, spare set of wheels with old Michelins
 Suspension rubber appears to be tight
 No road or drivetrain noises
 Inside of valve covers are CLEAN

 The bad, or not so bad:

 Paint on roof is toast. Clear coat is a crackle finish. Good part is that 
 this is limited to the roof, so it would be easy to fix. Rest of the paint 
 is good.
 Driver’s seat bottom is torn
 One rear headrest is split
 Front bumper cover is missing under right corner. Gone.
 ASR and ABS lights are on. SDS revealed a bad idle position switch, which 
 is on order
 Brake booster leaks internally
 Both air intake hoses are toast
 Broken right front sway bar bracket
 Coolant reservoir level switch is bad
 Trunk lid stops are gone
 Fuse box lid has one hook broken off
 Retainer mounts on the tops of the headlights are broken or missing
 Blower motor regulator needs to be replaced, only runs on low speed
 Cover for seat heater fuses is missing

 So yes, it’s not perfect and there are some minor repairs needed, but the 
 seller made these all known so they’re not a surprise. I’ve ordered all of 
 the parts necessary for the repairs so as those trickle in I’ll be 
 covering the jobs as I do them. Big ones will be the brake booster and the 
 blower motor regulator. All the rest are little rinky-

Re: [MBZ] Racism

Not that it matters, but if they’re Nigerian, they most likely look very 
different from a black (African-American) from Minnesota depending on what part 
of Nigeria they’re from...

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 29/04/2020 4:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yes - that is what I always ask.  Solves all the awkward bits and allows a
>> foreign born person to brag on their heritage.
>> 
> but does not give you any information on their basic ethnic background if 
> they were born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Why has it become somehow wrong to ask 
> a person who obviously looks Asian if they have a Korean background? Some 
> would not wish to be considered Chinese etc.
> 
> We are getting a fair number of black people here now. To my mind, it is more 
> interesting to know that they are from Nigeria rather than ST. Paul, 
> Minnesota.
> 
> RB
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E420

2020-04-29 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes

The deal for the other house didn’t work out, so we’re staying put at least for 
now. Since we don’t have enough income for another loan for the new property, 
we either have to be able to do a rent/pre-occupancy deal while our house sells 
or a contingent, bumpable buyer. With four dogs, and being both visually 
impaired, we can’t be in limbo without a place to live. The seller’s lender was 
going to allow pre-occupancy, but her lender wouldn’t approve our rent as 
income so she couldn’t more forward with the loan on her new property.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine, soon to be back 
on the road!!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I was really lucky to score this one. I’m surprised someone didn’t 
> beat me to it.
> 
> Sounds like the 240D is just about ready to go. How much longer before you 
> move out to the new digs?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sounds like you got an awesome deal on that E420! A used car of any era with 
>> EVERYTHING working is a rarity, let alone one that is 25 years old! I 
>> finally got some news on my 1982 240D that’s been in the shop since 
>> February. They are wrapping things up, and it COULD be ready by the end of 
>> the week! It will be nice to have Hilde back! My niece moved up here from 
>> California, and she’s excited to drive it!
>> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
>> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine soon to be 
>> back on the road!!!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The $1500 1995 E420 arrived yesterday morning from Columbus OH about 9:30. 
>>> No surprises for the most part.
>>> 
>>> I forgot how much fun these cars are. Really. The W124 has that “bank 
>>> vault” feeling when you close the door, and the interior, while spartan, is 
>>> comfortable yet “tight”. Engine idles smoothly, could easily pass the 
>>> champagne glass test. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, works on this car. If 
>>> there was a complaint I would say that the sunroof doesn’t open all the 
>>> way, but that’s clearly due to a need for a good greasing. Suspension is 
>>> tight, there’s no wandering, swaying and the steering tracks straight and 
>>> true.
>>> 
>>> The good:
>>> 
>>> Everything works
>>> 113,000 miles on the clock
>>> All maintenance up to date
>>> Nearly new (snow) tires on the car, spare set of wheels with old Michelins
>>> Suspension rubber appears to be tight
>>> No road or drivetrain noises
>>> Inside of valve covers are CLEAN
>>> 
>>> The bad, or not so bad:
>>> 
>>> Paint on roof is toast. Clear coat is a crackle finish. Good part is that 
>>> this is limited to the roof, so it would be easy to fix. Rest of the paint 
>>> is good.
>>> Driver’s seat bottom is torn
>>> One rear headrest is split
>>> Front bumper cover is missing under right corner. Gone.
>>> ASR and ABS lights are on. SDS revealed a bad idle position switch, which 
>>> is on order
>>> Brake booster leaks internally
>>> Both air intake hoses are toast
>>> Broken right front sway bar bracket
>>> Coolant reservoir level switch is bad
>>> Trunk lid stops are gone
>>> Fuse box lid has one hook broken off
>>> Retainer mounts on the tops of the headlights are broken or missing
>>> Blower motor regulator needs to be replaced, only runs on low speed
>>> Cover for seat heater fuses is missing
>>> 
>>> So yes, it’s not perfect and there are some minor repairs needed, but the 
>>> seller made these all known so they’re not a surprise. I’ve ordered all of 
>>> the parts necessary for the repairs so as those trickle in I’ll be covering 
>>> the jobs as I do them. Big ones will be the brake booster and the blower 
>>> motor regulator. All the rest are little rinky-dink ones I can do as the 
>>> parts show up. I ordered a new lock cylinder, too, as the keys I have are 
>>> both pretty worn. Might as well replace the lock cylinder and get a new key 
>>> out of the deal since I would order a new key anyway.
>>> 
>>> I’ll drive it with the snow tires as they’re literally new. No need to drop 
>>> serious coin for new skins when these will do the job, they’ll just wear 
>>> out quicker. I got a new front bumper cover for under $150 shipped, so I’ll 
>>> need to rattle can that along with the bumper strip, since it’s still black 
>>> (should be bumper color on this model year).
>>> 
>>> It may take some time to get the paperwork sorted since I’ve got to do 
>>> everything with the tax collector (they do all the DMV stuff in FL) through 
>>> the mail. I could swap a valid plate from one of my other cars and drive it 
>>> without an issue, I’m sure, but it would be nice to be legal.
>>> 
>>> More fun as it takes place! First parts order is probably due on Thursday, 
>>

Re: [MBZ] Racism


On 29/04/2020 4:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Yes - that is what I always ask.  Solves all the awkward bits and allows a
foreign born person to brag on their heritage.

but does not give you any information on their basic ethnic background 
if they were born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Why has it become somehow 
wrong to ask a person who obviously looks Asian if they have a Korean 
background? Some would not wish to be considered Chinese etc.


We are getting a fair number of black people here now. To my mind, it is 
more interesting to know that they are from Nigeria rather than ST. 
Paul, Minnesota.


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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E420

Yeah, I was really lucky to score this one. I’m surprised someone didn’t beat 
me to it.

Sounds like the 240D is just about ready to go. How much longer before you move 
out to the new digs?

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you got an awesome deal on that E420! A used car of any era with 
> EVERYTHING working is a rarity, let alone one that is 25 years old! I finally 
> got some news on my 1982 240D that’s been in the shop since February. They 
> are wrapping things up, and it COULD be ready by the end of the week! It will 
> be nice to have Hilde back! My niece moved up here from California, and she’s 
> excited to drive it!
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine soon to be back 
> on the road!!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The $1500 1995 E420 arrived yesterday morning from Columbus OH about 9:30. 
>> No surprises for the most part.
>> 
>> I forgot how much fun these cars are. Really. The W124 has that “bank vault” 
>> feeling when you close the door, and the interior, while spartan, is 
>> comfortable yet “tight”. Engine idles smoothly, could easily pass the 
>> champagne glass test. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, works on this car. If 
>> there was a complaint I would say that the sunroof doesn’t open all the way, 
>> but that’s clearly due to a need for a good greasing. Suspension is tight, 
>> there’s no wandering, swaying and the steering tracks straight and true.
>> 
>> The good:
>> 
>> Everything works
>> 113,000 miles on the clock
>> All maintenance up to date
>> Nearly new (snow) tires on the car, spare set of wheels with old Michelins
>> Suspension rubber appears to be tight
>> No road or drivetrain noises
>> Inside of valve covers are CLEAN
>> 
>> The bad, or not so bad:
>> 
>> Paint on roof is toast. Clear coat is a crackle finish. Good part is that 
>> this is limited to the roof, so it would be easy to fix. Rest of the paint 
>> is good.
>> Driver’s seat bottom is torn
>> One rear headrest is split
>> Front bumper cover is missing under right corner. Gone.
>> ASR and ABS lights are on. SDS revealed a bad idle position switch, which is 
>> on order
>> Brake booster leaks internally
>> Both air intake hoses are toast
>> Broken right front sway bar bracket
>> Coolant reservoir level switch is bad
>> Trunk lid stops are gone
>> Fuse box lid has one hook broken off
>> Retainer mounts on the tops of the headlights are broken or missing
>> Blower motor regulator needs to be replaced, only runs on low speed
>> Cover for seat heater fuses is missing
>> 
>> So yes, it’s not perfect and there are some minor repairs needed, but the 
>> seller made these all known so they’re not a surprise. I’ve ordered all of 
>> the parts necessary for the repairs so as those trickle in I’ll be covering 
>> the jobs as I do them. Big ones will be the brake booster and the blower 
>> motor regulator. All the rest are little rinky-dink ones I can do as the 
>> parts show up. I ordered a new lock cylinder, too, as the keys I have are 
>> both pretty worn. Might as well replace the lock cylinder and get a new key 
>> out of the deal since I would order a new key anyway.
>> 
>> I’ll drive it with the snow tires as they’re literally new. No need to drop 
>> serious coin for new skins when these will do the job, they’ll just wear out 
>> quicker. I got a new front bumper cover for under $150 shipped, so I’ll need 
>> to rattle can that along with the bumper strip, since it’s still black 
>> (should be bumper color on this model year).
>> 
>> It may take some time to get the paperwork sorted since I’ve got to do 
>> everything with the tax collector (they do all the DMV stuff in FL) through 
>> the mail. I could swap a valid plate from one of my other cars and drive it 
>> without an issue, I’m sure, but it would be nice to be legal.
>> 
>> More fun as it takes place! First parts order is probably due on Thursday, 
>> so that’s when the fun really starts!
>> 
>> -D
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[MBZ] $39K for a pile of parts


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Re: [MBZ] Racism

Yes - that is what I always ask.  Solves all the awkward bits and allows a
foreign born person to brag on their heritage.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:01 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My standard question is "Where did you grow up?" Most people don't mind
> talking about their childhood and what it was like growing up wherever they
> did.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 12:47 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > This.
> >
> > Maybe racism was a poor choice of descriptors.
> >
> > This is sort of like the questions on the census about where you’re from.
> > America?
> >
> > > On Apr 29, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > She's not Korean, she's American. She was born in Orange county in
> > California.Its not really racism so much as just stupidity, he's not
> seeing
> > her as a person, he's seeing an asian person.
> > > To ask about someone's heritage is one thing, to not recognize that
> they
> > are and want to be an American from their responses is just rude.
> > > I'm with you though, its not racist. It irritates me that everything
> has
> > to be racism or a hate crime or whatever. People are just plain stupid,
> it
> > doesn't need an extra name.
> > > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] oh man I want this soooo bad

Looks like something Jay Leno would buy.

Was a little surpised that it appears to have a column shifter.

Thing will probably do about 50mph on a downhill with a tailwind.

Allan


G Mann via Mercedes  writes:

> You need it... It has "Chick Magnet" written all over it...
> Think how much goodness it could haul to the next "Q"
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:55 AM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:55:55 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > And it has a rare zundfolge engine!
>> >
>> >
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-lt-8-l407-firetruck/
>>
>> It looks beautiful, especially with the pump on the front.
>>
>> It is now $15k with 6 days to go.
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Cafe au lait oil?

OK - I will stick my my necykout:  $600!!

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:34 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’ve been waiting for the $500 offer. You cheap no good bastids!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'll give you $500 for it, and all your troubles will be gone.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:41 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok so I’m an idiot- there is in fact a coolant hose which goes into the
> >> bottom of the expansion tank. So I was finally able to check for bubbles
> >> and coolant surge and there was none. I will change the oil and see what
> >> happens.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 10:08 AM, MG via Mercedes 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Disconnect that line from the tank and put it into a glass of water
> and
> >> look for bubbles. Keep the connection on the tank closed with your
> finger
> >> and keep the cap on it.
> >>>
> >>> MG
> >>>
> >>> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>  Right but I don’t have a radiator neck, I have a coolant expansion
> tank
> >> with the hose entering the tank up high. How will I see bubbles or
> coolant
> >> surge in this situation?
>  Sent from my iPhone
> >> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The bubble part is what I was saying earlier….
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Apr 28, 2020, at 7:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> CHANGE THE OIL IMMEDIATELY< AND FILTER.
> >> Oil with water is the kiss of death to bearing surface... DO NOT run
> >> engine
> >> till it has clean oil.
> >>
> >> Then, run engine and watch for bubbles in radiator tank.. if head
> >> gasket is
> >> leaking, engine compression overpowers coolant pressure and
> >> compression gas
> >> will bubble up...
> >> If gasket is really leaking, the coolant will surge up the filler
> >> neck each
> >> time you rev up the engine...
> >> If it's a little seep leak, you will get bubbles...
> >> If you have bubbles or surge... head gasket replacement...
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes zerex GO5 replaced in 2012, car driven only a few thousand
> miles
> >>> since. Been sitting in unheated garage for 3.5 years without
> getting
> >>> started. Oil was changed 4.5 years ago.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  Could just be condensation -- I'd change the oil and filter
> pronto,
> >> no
> >>> more idling!
>  Sadly, it's more likely a head gasket if you have coolant loss.
> 
>  You did keep proper anti-corrosive coolant in there, not green
> >> stuff,
> >>> right?
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E420

2020-04-29 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes

Sounds like you got an awesome deal on that E420! A used car of any era with 
EVERYTHING working is a rarity, let alone one that is 25 years old! I finally 
got some news on my 1982 240D that’s been in the shop since February. They are 
wrapping things up, and it COULD be ready by the end of the week! It will be 
nice to have Hilde back! My niece moved up here from California, and she’s 
excited to drive it!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 750 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard with the low mileage engine soon to be back 
on the road!!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The $1500 1995 E420 arrived yesterday morning from Columbus OH about 9:30. 
> No surprises for the most part.
> 
> I forgot how much fun these cars are. Really. The W124 has that “bank vault” 
> feeling when you close the door, and the interior, while spartan, is 
> comfortable yet “tight”. Engine idles smoothly, could easily pass the 
> champagne glass test. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, works on this car. If 
> there was a complaint I would say that the sunroof doesn’t open all the way, 
> but that’s clearly due to a need for a good greasing. Suspension is tight, 
> there’s no wandering, swaying and the steering tracks straight and true.
> 
> The good:
> 
> Everything works
> 113,000 miles on the clock
> All maintenance up to date
> Nearly new (snow) tires on the car, spare set of wheels with old Michelins
> Suspension rubber appears to be tight
> No road or drivetrain noises
> Inside of valve covers are CLEAN
> 
> The bad, or not so bad:
> 
> Paint on roof is toast. Clear coat is a crackle finish. Good part is that 
> this is limited to the roof, so it would be easy to fix. Rest of the paint is 
> good.
> Driver’s seat bottom is torn
> One rear headrest is split
> Front bumper cover is missing under right corner. Gone.
> ASR and ABS lights are on. SDS revealed a bad idle position switch, which is 
> on order
> Brake booster leaks internally
> Both air intake hoses are toast
> Broken right front sway bar bracket
> Coolant reservoir level switch is bad
> Trunk lid stops are gone
> Fuse box lid has one hook broken off
> Retainer mounts on the tops of the headlights are broken or missing
> Blower motor regulator needs to be replaced, only runs on low speed
> Cover for seat heater fuses is missing
> 
> So yes, it’s not perfect and there are some minor repairs needed, but the 
> seller made these all known so they’re not a surprise. I’ve ordered all of 
> the parts necessary for the repairs so as those trickle in I’ll be covering 
> the jobs as I do them. Big ones will be the brake booster and the blower 
> motor regulator. All the rest are little rinky-dink ones I can do as the 
> parts show up. I ordered a new lock cylinder, too, as the keys I have are 
> both pretty worn. Might as well replace the lock cylinder and get a new key 
> out of the deal since I would order a new key anyway.
> 
> I’ll drive it with the snow tires as they’re literally new. No need to drop 
> serious coin for new skins when these will do the job, they’ll just wear out 
> quicker. I got a new front bumper cover for under $150 shipped, so I’ll need 
> to rattle can that along with the bumper strip, since it’s still black 
> (should be bumper color on this model year).
> 
> It may take some time to get the paperwork sorted since I’ve got to do 
> everything with the tax collector (they do all the DMV stuff in FL) through 
> the mail. I could swap a valid plate from one of my other cars and drive it 
> without an issue, I’m sure, but it would be nice to be legal.
> 
> More fun as it takes place! First parts order is probably due on Thursday, so 
> that’s when the fun really starts!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

2020-04-29 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

My standard question is "Where did you grow up?" Most people don't mind
talking about their childhood and what it was like growing up wherever they
did.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 12:47 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This.
>
> Maybe racism was a poor choice of descriptors.
>
> This is sort of like the questions on the census about where you’re from.
> America?
>
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > She's not Korean, she's American. She was born in Orange county in
> California.Its not really racism so much as just stupidity, he's not seeing
> her as a person, he's seeing an asian person.
> > To ask about someone's heritage is one thing, to not recognize that they
> are and want to be an American from their responses is just rude.
> > I'm with you though, its not racist. It irritates me that everything has
> to be racism or a hate crime or whatever. People are just plain stupid, it
> doesn't need an extra name.
> > -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] oh man I want this soooo bad

2020-04-29 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

You need it... It has "Chick Magnet" written all over it...
Think how much goodness it could haul to the next "Q"

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:55 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:55:55 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > And it has a rare zundfolge engine!
> >
> >
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-lt-8-l407-firetruck/
>
> It looks beautiful, especially with the pump on the front.
>
> It is now $15k with 6 days to go.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

I think it was far more common at the time. My paternal grandfather spoke 
Greek, Italian, French, some variants of Serbian and Turkish as well as German 
fluently. He used to ask us what language we wanted him to say the blessing 
over dinner in. According to what he told me, when he was in school as a young 
boy they taught several languages concurrently. This came out of a question 
about how he learned German, since it wasn’t really a language that was from 
around where he grew up. He said it was one of the languages they offered to 
teach at the time so he took the class.

I had a coworker who spoke several languages fluently (English, German, 
Spanish, Portuguese, Italian and French) that went with me to visit my 
grandfather when we were on a business trip near his home. Fred was able to 
converse with him in nearly all of the languages except Spanish and Portuguese. 
It was pretty cool, I thought. My grandfather got a kick out of it as well.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Exactly, my mom was actually born in Alabama, but did not speak English until 
> elementary school. She was fluent in Italian and French, as well as Sicilian. 
> My dad spoke Italian fluently, as well as Calabrese, Spanish, and some 
> Portuguese. The Romance languages are so similar.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Meade 
> Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 1:26 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Meade Dillon
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Racism
> 
> THAT'S funny!
> 
> The two dialects are probably so different that either your relatives
> needed a translator or spoke a common third language, maybe Italian.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:19 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I'm a mixed race background. Half Sicilian, half Calabrese. 100% American.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

2020-04-29 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

European? Didn't you know that Sicily won a Nobel Peace Prize a few years back? 
They were there only North African country that didn't send Jihadii to attack 
coalition forces in Iraq.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Apr 29, 2020 4:30:30 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes :

> I think you will find that many Europeans speak a number of languages at 
> least well enough to manage where ever they go.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 29/04/2020 3:25 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > THAT'S funny!
> > 
> > The two dialects are probably so different that either your relatives
> > needed a translator or spoke a common third language, maybe Italian.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:19 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > I'm a mixed race background. Half Sicilian, half Calabrese. 100% American.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

2020-04-29 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

Exactly, my mom was actually born in Alabama, but did not speak English until 
elementary school. She was fluent in Italian and French, as well as Sicilian. 
My dad spoke Italian fluently, as well as Calabrese, Spanish, and some 
Portuguese. The Romance languages are so similar.

Greg

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Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Racism

THAT'S funny!

The two dialects are probably so different that either your relatives
needed a translator or spoke a common third language, maybe Italian.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:19 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> I'm a mixed race background. Half Sicilian, half Calabrese. 100% American.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Finny

Bundts on any finnie are wrong.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bundt wheels on that car are just wrong.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> He must have patented every shade of every color that was never used
>> previously so they all stood out like a sore d*c*.
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:24 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Earl Scheib.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 The shade of blue is vaguely unfamiliar.
 
 On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Maybe
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Didn’t someone post this earlier today? Rick?
>> 
>> I recall the tape around the left headlight.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 1968 Mercedes Benz 230 Fintail - RUNS and DRIVES W110
>>> 
>>> 
> 
>>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/d/dallas-1968-mercedes-benz-230-fintail/7115123123.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

I have my paternal grandfather’s citizenship certificate framed and hanging on 
my wall. After he passed his wife (my step-grandmother) found it in his wallet, 
folded up for nearly 50 years. She gave it to me and I had an archivist unfold 
it and mount it between two panes of glass, them matted them.

It took him several months to unfold it. It’s in amazingly good condition 
despite how it was kept over the years. The anglicization of his name is 
documented on the back, as a Federal judge did it as a part of his citizenship. 
He was Albanian, (Serbian/Slavic/Romanian) and as the run up to WWII was taking 
place and people were being less and less “nice” to eastern 
Europeans/foreigners he figured it would be a good idea to adopt his “new” 
country on a permanent basis. I presume he was living on a green card or 
whatever the equivalent was for many years.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I’m sure an accomplished genealogist could get to the bottom of it,
>> but to be honest, no one really cares.
> 
> That's me. I have zero interest in my ancestry. I know where my parents
> and grandparents are from, because they told me, but don't really see
> the point in spending the time to find out more than that.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Finny

Bundt wheels on that car are just wrong.

Allan

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> He must have patented every shade of every color that was never used
> previously so they all stood out like a sore d*c*.
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:24 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Earl Scheib.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > The shade of blue is vaguely unfamiliar.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Maybe
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Didn’t someone post this earlier today? Rick?
>> >>>
>> >>> I recall the tape around the left headlight.
>> >>>
>> >>> -D
>> >>>
>>  On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  1968 Mercedes Benz 230 Fintail - RUNS and DRIVES W110
>> 
>> 
>> >>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/d/dallas-1968-mercedes-benz-230-fintail/7115123123.html
>> 
>> 
>>  Sent from my iPhone
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Cafe au lait oil?

2020-04-29 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes

I’ve been waiting for the $500 offer. You cheap no good bastids!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'll give you $500 for it, and all your troubles will be gone.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:41 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok so I’m an idiot- there is in fact a coolant hose which goes into the
>> bottom of the expansion tank. So I was finally able to check for bubbles
>> and coolant surge and there was none. I will change the oil and see what
>> happens.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 10:08 AM, MG via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Disconnect that line from the tank and put it into a glass of water and
>> look for bubbles. Keep the connection on the tank closed with your finger
>> and keep the cap on it.
>>> 
>>> MG
>>> 
>>> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
 Right but I don’t have a radiator neck, I have a coolant expansion tank
>> with the hose entering the tank up high. How will I see bubbles or coolant
>> surge in this situation?
 Sent from my iPhone
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> The bubble part is what I was saying earlier….
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 7:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> CHANGE THE OIL IMMEDIATELY< AND FILTER.
>> Oil with water is the kiss of death to bearing surface... DO NOT run
>> engine
>> till it has clean oil.
>> 
>> Then, run engine and watch for bubbles in radiator tank.. if head
>> gasket is
>> leaking, engine compression overpowers coolant pressure and
>> compression gas
>> will bubble up...
>> If gasket is really leaking, the coolant will surge up the filler
>> neck each
>> time you rev up the engine...
>> If it's a little seep leak, you will get bubbles...
>> If you have bubbles or surge... head gasket replacement...
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes zerex GO5 replaced in 2012, car driven only a few thousand miles
>>> since. Been sitting in unheated garage for 3.5 years without getting
>>> started. Oil was changed 4.5 years ago.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 Could just be condensation -- I'd change the oil and filter pronto,
>> no
>>> more idling!
 Sadly, it's more likely a head gasket if you have coolant loss.
 
 You did keep proper anti-corrosive coolant in there, not green
>> stuff,
>>> right?
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

2020-04-29 Thread Clay via Mercedes

Take a peek at IMDB or other places that list biographic data about 
individuals.  Seems to be trendy to list your ethnic background.  Down to which 
brand of Judaism your line intermingled with. Even the pink people will list 
down to tribal affiliation is possible, be it Welsh, Pict, Viking, Jute, Saxon, 
or washed ashore drunk sailor.

The thread for those with roots in this hemisphere 400 years ago are tangled 
with all manner of other interesting to make the tapestry we are today.  This 
enumeration of tribal affiliations seems to have been born out of needing to 
specify that dark skinned people were out of Africa.  To the point that US 
tourists to Africa have been known to be racist to the point of referring to 
the natives as African Americans.

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> This.
> 
> Maybe racism was a poor choice of descriptors.
> 
> This is sort of like the questions on the census about where you’re from. 
> America?

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Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy



> Turns out there is a 100A ceramic fuse on the positive battery terminal 
> that looks like the starter connects too, the fuse was good near as I 
> could tell, looked clean and fairly new. But maybe not, I was thinking 
> to clamp the cable directly to the terminal to see if that worked but 
> didn't yet.

A wise man once said REPLACE all your FUSES.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Racism

I think you will find that many Europeans speak a number of languages at 
least well enough to manage where ever they go.


RB

On 29/04/2020 3:25 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

THAT'S funny!

The two dialects are probably so different that either your relatives
needed a translator or spoke a common third language, maybe Italian.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:19 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I'm a mixed race background. Half Sicilian, half Calabrese. 100% American.






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Re: [MBZ] Racism

2020-04-29 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

THAT'S funny!

The two dialects are probably so different that either your relatives
needed a translator or spoke a common third language, maybe Italian.
-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> I'm a mixed race background. Half Sicilian, half Calabrese. 100% American.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> I’m sure an accomplished genealogist could get to the bottom of it,
> but to be honest, no one really cares.

That's me. I have zero interest in my ancestry. I know where my parents
and grandparents are from, because they told me, but don't really see
the point in spending the time to find out more than that.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Racism

2020-04-29 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

I'm with you on hating the race questions. I was being admitted to the hospital 
for knee replacement and went on a rant about the race question. The health 
care worker patiently explained it was for genetic tendencies to disease. Oh.

I'm a mixed race background. Half Sicilian, half Calabrese. 100% American.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey 
via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:53 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Jim Cathey
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Racism

As I race ever onwards towards that currently-oh-so-unfashionable "Dead
White Male" status, I more and more resent the "race" questions on various
official paperwork.  Who the F* cares?  Where's MLK Jr. when we need him?
These questions, and anything associated with them, are merely perpetuating
institutionalized racism, of which I want no part.

I usually decline to answer.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Hey Max another 124 wagon you could drop your diesel in

Those wagons will be HOT in about 5 years.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 10:05 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Green!  Not half bad.  I bet $400 would get it
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/541507409866772
>
> 1994 MERCEDES BENZ E320
> $650
> Vehicles
> 
> ›
> Cars
> 
> Listed a day ago in Greensboro, NC
> 
>
>
>   Details
>   …
>
>   *
> Condition
> Used - Good
>
> 1994 Mercedes Benz e320 vehicle has blown head gasket towing is
> recommended as is, vehicle is complete
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Re: [MBZ] Cafe au lait oil?

Heh. You beat the Klebster to it. I’ve been waiting for him to make his stock 
offer.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:07 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'll give you $500 for it, and all your troubles will be gone.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:41 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ok so I’m an idiot- there is in fact a coolant hose which goes into the
>> bottom of the expansion tank. So I was finally able to check for bubbles
>> and coolant surge and there was none. I will change the oil and see what
>> happens.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 10:08 AM, MG via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Disconnect that line from the tank and put it into a glass of water and
>> look for bubbles. Keep the connection on the tank closed with your finger
>> and keep the cap on it.
>>> 
>>> MG
>>> 
>>> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
 Right but I don’t have a radiator neck, I have a coolant expansion tank
>> with the hose entering the tank up high. How will I see bubbles or coolant
>> surge in this situation?
 Sent from my iPhone
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> The bubble part is what I was saying earlier….
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 7:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> CHANGE THE OIL IMMEDIATELY< AND FILTER.
>> Oil with water is the kiss of death to bearing surface... DO NOT run
>> engine
>> till it has clean oil.
>> 
>> Then, run engine and watch for bubbles in radiator tank.. if head
>> gasket is
>> leaking, engine compression overpowers coolant pressure and
>> compression gas
>> will bubble up...
>> If gasket is really leaking, the coolant will surge up the filler
>> neck each
>> time you rev up the engine...
>> If it's a little seep leak, you will get bubbles...
>> If you have bubbles or surge... head gasket replacement...
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes zerex GO5 replaced in 2012, car driven only a few thousand miles
>>> since. Been sitting in unheated garage for 3.5 years without getting
>>> started. Oil was changed 4.5 years ago.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 Could just be condensation -- I'd change the oil and filter pronto,
>> no
>>> more idling!
 Sadly, it's more likely a head gasket if you have coolant loss.
 
 You did keep proper anti-corrosive coolant in there, not green
>> stuff,
>>> right?
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That’s my Dad’s side of the family. He was a first generation immigrant. My 
paternal grandfather had his name anglicized when he applied for citizenship 
just prior to WWII. He had been in the country since 1912. We don’t really know 
how/where he came into the country other than he passed through Ellis Island 
with his cousin Charles. I’ve gotten close and possibly found him in ship’s 
registries, but there’s no sure thing that it’s him.

I’m sure an accomplished genealogist could get to the bottom of it, but to be 
honest, no one really cares.

As an aside:

I see records coming and going from our medical examiner’s office that involve 
efforts to identify next of kin. There’s a volunteer group that does research 
for free for medical examiners all over the country to assist them in locating 
the next of kin for people who have passed and have no information of such.

Seeing the amount a data and wide range of sources these people use to track 
someone’s family members down is nothing short of amazing. It’s really pretty 
cool.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 3:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Right. Unfortunately on my mother's side we don't have much information 
> beyond her parents. We're not sure why the came here from Finland. Actually 
> her dad was born in Montana but the family went back to Finland soon after. 
> So we don't know why the came here and went back and then came over again. My 
> aunt and uncle have been over but haven't found any real information as of 
> yet.
> -Curt
> 
>On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 3:39:11 PM EDT, Jim Cathey 
>  wrote:  
> 
>> My ancestors came to north America on the Mayflower, I'm 13th generation. My 
>> people stole this country from
> 
> Well, two out of the 4,096 did, anyhow.  That always bugged me about 
> geneological
> expeditions, the emphasis on the single 'most interesting' thread in the 
> weave.
> We've ALL got a lot of threads in our weave...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cafe au lait oil?

2020-04-29 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

I'll give you $500 for it, and all your troubles will be gone.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:41 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ok so I’m an idiot- there is in fact a coolant hose which goes into the
> bottom of the expansion tank. So I was finally able to check for bubbles
> and coolant surge and there was none. I will change the oil and see what
> happens.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 10:08 AM, MG via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Disconnect that line from the tank and put it into a glass of water and
> look for bubbles. Keep the connection on the tank closed with your finger
> and keep the cap on it.
> >
> > MG
> >
> > Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Right but I don’t have a radiator neck, I have a coolant expansion tank
> with the hose entering the tank up high. How will I see bubbles or coolant
> surge in this situation?
> >> Sent from my iPhone
>  On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The bubble part is what I was saying earlier….
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Apr 28, 2020, at 7:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  CHANGE THE OIL IMMEDIATELY< AND FILTER.
>  Oil with water is the kiss of death to bearing surface... DO NOT run
> engine
>  till it has clean oil.
> 
>  Then, run engine and watch for bubbles in radiator tank.. if head
> gasket is
>  leaking, engine compression overpowers coolant pressure and
> compression gas
>  will bubble up...
>  If gasket is really leaking, the coolant will surge up the filler
> neck each
>  time you rev up the engine...
>  If it's a little seep leak, you will get bubbles...
>  If you have bubbles or surge... head gasket replacement...
> 
> > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:01 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes zerex GO5 replaced in 2012, car driven only a few thousand miles
> > since. Been sitting in unheated garage for 3.5 years without getting
> > started. Oil was changed 4.5 years ago.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Could just be condensation -- I'd change the oil and filter pronto,
> no
> > more idling!
> >> Sadly, it's more likely a head gasket if you have coolant loss.
> >>
> >> You did keep proper anti-corrosive coolant in there, not green
> stuff,
> > right?
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Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy

2020-04-29 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

I like that idea.  Start your T/S at the starter end.  After verifying that
the starter motor will engage, try to power the solenoid.
-
Max
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>  Big screwdriver across the starter to prove that it works? It'd be
> annoying to troubleshoot all around it only to find that the starter is
> bad...
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 3:31:43 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  I have been fooling around with this ML500 that I don't have a title for
> as it has a lean.
>
> Recall that when I first got it it was showing a Start Error and there
> were various codes for this and that, which I cleared but it would still
> show a Start Error but no new codes showed up so that did not indicate
> much of anything.  Thinking it might be the DAS ring I picked up another
> one off an ML at LKQ last Saturday and swapped that in to see what might
> happen.  It was a different part number but same unit it looked, plugged
> in fine.  No joy, still a Start Error.  So I put the old one back in and
> gave it a go, no Start Error now (YAY!!!) now but still no cranking
> either. Everything else lights up and whirs and clicks and makes the
> right noises except the starter.
>
> I've scanned it several times and no codes at all, everything looks good
> in the various nannies so that is good.  So at least the Start Error is
> gone.  There is a red light on the dash that blinks once or twice that
> supposedly indicates the alarm has not disabled the car, and I could get
> it to blink and stay solid using the fancy computer to trigger it then
> go back to "normal" so that suggests it is not disabled.  I saw no other
> switches and events that would indicate that.
>
> There were some suggestions I saw that indicated a coupla relays might
> not be working so I checked those, swapped in other ones, I could hear
> them clicking, power at various pins on the relay sockets were good and
> the nannies said they checked out.  Since I am seeing voltages at the
> relays I have to conclude the ignition switch is OK as it lights up the
> dash and the relays and such. I've also put good batteries in, voltages
> are good, but nothing is cranking.
>
> Turns out there is a 100A ceramic fuse on the positive battery terminal
> that looks like the starter connects too, the fuse was good near as I
> could tell, looked clean and fairly new.  But maybe not, I was thinking
> to clamp the cable directly to the terminal to see if that worked but
> didn't yet.
>
> So now I am thinking there must be a bad starter relay somewhere, if
> there is one, that I am not seeing.  Maybe on the starter? Only thing I
> have seen is the small relay in the fuse box under the hood, which
> appears to be working.  Or the starter solenoid itself or the starter
> has gone bad?  I have not been under the car yet to see if there is
> voltage going to the starter or to try to put power directly to it.  I
> don't even know where it is!  I guess I will have to look at that aspect
> and see what else I can determine.
>
> Any other ideas or suggestions?
>
> --
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Racism


On 29/04/2020 2:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  Right. Unfortunately on my mother's side we don't have much information 
beyond her parents. We're not sure why the came here from Finland. Actually her 
dad was born in Montana but the family went back to Finland soon after. So we 
don't know why the came here and went back and then came over again. My aunt 
and uncle have been over but haven't found any real information as of yet.
-Curt

  


That sort of thing is fairly common I would think. It used to be very 
easy to cross most borders, unlike today.


My maternal grandmother was born in Minnesota to parents who came to 
Canada from Norway and then went to the USA for a time about when she 
was born before coming back to Canada.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] Racism

As I race ever onwards towards that currently-oh-so-unfashionable "Dead
White Male" status, I more and more resent the "race" questions on various
official paperwork.  Who the F* cares?  Where's MLK Jr. when we need him?
These questions, and anything associated with them, are merely perpetuating
institutionalized racism, of which I want no part.

I usually decline to answer.

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Re: [MBZ] Finny

I think he just took leftovers and poured them all in the same vat. Funny how 
some colors evoke nothing but Earl Scheib memories. At least to me.

-D


> On Apr 29, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> He must have patented every shade of every color that was never used 
> previously so they all stood out like a sore d*c*.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:24 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Earl Scheib.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > The shade of blue is vaguely unfamiliar.
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > 
> >> Maybe
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Didn’t someone post this earlier today? Rick?
> >>> 
> >>> I recall the tape around the left headlight.
> >>> 
> >>> -D
> >>> 
>  On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>  
>  1968 Mercedes Benz 230 Fintail - RUNS and DRIVES W110
>  
>  
> >> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/d/dallas-1968-mercedes-benz-230-fintail/7115123123.html
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

This.

Maybe racism was a poor choice of descriptors.

This is sort of like the questions on the census about where you’re from. 
America?

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> She's not Korean, she's American. She was born in Orange county in 
> California.Its not really racism so much as just stupidity, he's not seeing 
> her as a person, he's seeing an asian person.
> To ask about someone's heritage is one thing, to not recognize that they are 
> and want to be an American from their responses is just rude.
> I'm with you though, its not racist. It irritates me that everything has to 
> be racism or a hate crime or whatever. People are just plain stupid, it 
> doesn't need an extra name.
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Racism

> we don't know why they came here and went back and then came over again.

To continue my pop entertainment theme, this reminds me of that
scene with the penguins in the Madagascar animated movie.  "Well,
this sucks."

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Re: [MBZ] Racism

Everybody sing, now!

Everyones A Little Bit Racist - YouTube 


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Re: [MBZ] Racism

 Right. Unfortunately on my mother's side we don't have much information beyond 
her parents. We're not sure why the came here from Finland. Actually her dad 
was born in Montana but the family went back to Finland soon after. So we don't 
know why the came here and went back and then came over again. My aunt and 
uncle have been over but haven't found any real information as of yet.
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 3:39:11 PM EDT, Jim Cathey 
 wrote:  
 
 > My ancestors came to north America on the Mayflower, I'm 13th generation. My 
 > people stole this country from

Well, two out of the 4,096 did, anyhow.  That always bugged me about 
geneological
expeditions, the emphasis on the single 'most interesting' thread in the weave.
We've ALL got a lot of threads in our weave...

-- Jim
  
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

I loved that one scene in Short Circuit, where when the (fake) Indian guy
is asked where his parents (?) are from, answers "Bakersfield."

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Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy

 Big screwdriver across the starter to prove that it works? It'd be annoying to 
troubleshoot all around it only to find that the starter is bad...
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 3:31:43 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I have been fooling around with this ML500 that I don't have a title for 
as it has a lean.

Recall that when I first got it it was showing a Start Error and there 
were various codes for this and that, which I cleared but it would still 
show a Start Error but no new codes showed up so that did not indicate 
much of anything.  Thinking it might be the DAS ring I picked up another 
one off an ML at LKQ last Saturday and swapped that in to see what might 
happen.  It was a different part number but same unit it looked, plugged 
in fine.  No joy, still a Start Error.  So I put the old one back in and 
gave it a go, no Start Error now (YAY!!!) now but still no cranking 
either. Everything else lights up and whirs and clicks and makes the 
right noises except the starter.

I've scanned it several times and no codes at all, everything looks good 
in the various nannies so that is good.  So at least the Start Error is 
gone.  There is a red light on the dash that blinks once or twice that 
supposedly indicates the alarm has not disabled the car, and I could get 
it to blink and stay solid using the fancy computer to trigger it then 
go back to "normal" so that suggests it is not disabled.  I saw no other 
switches and events that would indicate that.

There were some suggestions I saw that indicated a coupla relays might 
not be working so I checked those, swapped in other ones, I could hear 
them clicking, power at various pins on the relay sockets were good and 
the nannies said they checked out.  Since I am seeing voltages at the 
relays I have to conclude the ignition switch is OK as it lights up the 
dash and the relays and such. I've also put good batteries in, voltages 
are good, but nothing is cranking.

Turns out there is a 100A ceramic fuse on the positive battery terminal 
that looks like the starter connects too, the fuse was good near as I 
could tell, looked clean and fairly new.  But maybe not, I was thinking 
to clamp the cable directly to the terminal to see if that worked but 
didn't yet.

So now I am thinking there must be a bad starter relay somewhere, if 
there is one, that I am not seeing.  Maybe on the starter? Only thing I 
have seen is the small relay in the fuse box under the hood, which 
appears to be working.  Or the starter solenoid itself or the starter 
has gone bad?  I have not been under the car yet to see if there is 
voltage going to the starter or to try to put power directly to it.  I 
don't even know where it is!  I guess I will have to look at that aspect 
and see what else I can determine.

Any other ideas or suggestions?

-- 
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Cafe au lait oil?

2020-04-29 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes

Ok so I’m an idiot- there is in fact a coolant hose which goes into the bottom 
of the expansion tank. So I was finally able to check for bubbles and coolant 
surge and there was none. I will change the oil and see what happens. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 10:08 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Disconnect that line from the tank and put it into a glass of water and look 
> for bubbles. Keep the connection on the tank closed with your finger and keep 
> the cap on it.
> 
> MG
> 
> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> Right but I don’t have a radiator neck, I have a coolant expansion tank with 
>> the hose entering the tank up high. How will I see bubbles or coolant surge 
>> in this situation?
>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The bubble part is what I was saying earlier….
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2020, at 7:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 CHANGE THE OIL IMMEDIATELY< AND FILTER.
 Oil with water is the kiss of death to bearing surface... DO NOT run engine
 till it has clean oil.
 
 Then, run engine and watch for bubbles in radiator tank.. if head gasket is
 leaking, engine compression overpowers coolant pressure and compression gas
 will bubble up...
 If gasket is really leaking, the coolant will surge up the filler neck each
 time you rev up the engine...
 If it's a little seep leak, you will get bubbles...
 If you have bubbles or surge... head gasket replacement...
 
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> Yes zerex GO5 replaced in 2012, car driven only a few thousand miles
> since. Been sitting in unheated garage for 3.5 years without getting
> started. Oil was changed 4.5 years ago.
> 
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> more idling!
>> Sadly, it's more likely a head gasket if you have coolant loss.
>> 
>> You did keep proper anti-corrosive coolant in there, not green stuff,
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 300SE

$8K on BAT all day long.

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> That could be a really nice flip. The body and interior are in excellent
> shape. I would offer $1000 to haul it away.
>
> -D
>
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

> My ancestors came to north America on the Mayflower, I'm 13th generation. My 
> people stole this country from

Well, two out of the 4,096 did, anyhow.  That always bugged me about 
geneological
expeditions, the emphasis on the single 'most interesting' thread in the weave.
We've ALL got a lot of threads in our weave...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Racism

 She's not Korean, she's American. She was born in Orange county in 
California.Its not really racism so much as just stupidity, he's not seeing her 
as a person, he's seeing an asian person.
To ask about someone's heritage is one thing, to not recognize that they are 
and want to be an American from their responses is just rude.
I'm with you though, its not racist. It irritates me that everything has to be 
racism or a hate crime or whatever. People are just plain stupid, it doesn't 
need an extra name.
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 3:25:01 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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 On 29/04/2020 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> This is actually pretty funny, but sad:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/tko2one/videos/1031472077131/
>
> -D
>
I guess I am a dinosaur when it comes to things like this. Yes it was a 
bit funny, all things considered, but why is it sad?

Are we really to pretend that we don't notice that people are different? 
Ethnic minorities use it to their advantage and wave their proverbial 
arms to be noticed when it suits them but we are not supposed to notice 
otherwise?

Why is it "racism" when the young fellow tries to ask the young lady 
about her family background. She is obviously Asian. She ultimately says 
her background is Korean if my memory is accurate. Why is that an 
improper issue? Why is she offended by his questions?  He did not swear 
at her or in some manner try to put her down because she appeared to be 
Asian. He just asked her what her family background was.

I am a mix of European, Scandinavian and British Isles. I am not 
offended if someone asks about my family background. If an Asian, Indian 
or African  person asked me where my family came from I would be happy 
enough to tell them and would not be offended because their skin or 
other physical features were different than mine and they happened to 
notice it and ask me about it.

Racism used to be about hatred. Now it seems to have become whatever 
someone slightly different than you thinks if you happen to notice that 
they are different than you.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Finny

He must have patented every shade of every color that was never used
previously so they all stood out like a sore d*c*.

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> Earl Scheib.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The shade of blue is vaguely unfamiliar.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> >> Maybe
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Didn’t someone post this earlier today? Rick?
> >>>
> >>> I recall the tape around the left headlight.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
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> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  1968 Mercedes Benz 230 Fintail - RUNS and DRIVES W110
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Racism


everything is raysiss

--FT

On 4/29/20 3:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 29/04/2020 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

This is actually pretty funny, but sad:

https://www.facebook.com/tko2one/videos/1031472077131/

-D

I guess I am a dinosaur when it comes to things like this. Yes it was 
a bit funny, all things considered, but why is it sad?


Are we really to pretend that we don't notice that people are 
different? Ethnic minorities use it to their advantage and wave their 
proverbial arms to be noticed when it suits them but we are not 
supposed to notice otherwise?


Why is it "racism" when the young fellow tries to ask the young lady 
about her family background. She is obviously Asian. She ultimately 
says her background is Korean if my memory is accurate. Why is that an 
improper issue? Why is she offended by his questions?  He did not 
swear at her or in some manner try to put her down because she 
appeared to be Asian. He just asked her what her family background was.


I am a mix of European, Scandinavian and British Isles. I am not 
offended if someone asks about my family background. If an Asian, 
Indian or African  person asked me where my family came from I would 
be happy enough to tell them and would not be offended because their 
skin or other physical features were different than mine and they 
happened to notice it and ask me about it.


Racism used to be about hatred. Now it seems to have become whatever 
someone slightly different than you thinks if you happen to notice 
that they are different than you.


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[MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy

I have been fooling around with this ML500 that I don't have a title for 
as it has a lean.


Recall that when I first got it it was showing a Start Error and there 
were various codes for this and that, which I cleared but it would still 
show a Start Error but no new codes showed up so that did not indicate 
much of anything.  Thinking it might be the DAS ring I picked up another 
one off an ML at LKQ last Saturday and swapped that in to see what might 
happen.  It was a different part number but same unit it looked, plugged 
in fine.  No joy, still a Start Error.  So I put the old one back in and 
gave it a go, no Start Error now (YAY!!!) now but still no cranking 
either. Everything else lights up and whirs and clicks and makes the 
right noises except the starter.


I've scanned it several times and no codes at all, everything looks good 
in the various nannies so that is good.  So at least the Start Error is 
gone.  There is a red light on the dash that blinks once or twice that 
supposedly indicates the alarm has not disabled the car, and I could get 
it to blink and stay solid using the fancy computer to trigger it then 
go back to "normal" so that suggests it is not disabled.  I saw no other 
switches and events that would indicate that.


There were some suggestions I saw that indicated a coupla relays might 
not be working so I checked those, swapped in other ones, I could hear 
them clicking, power at various pins on the relay sockets were good and 
the nannies said they checked out.  Since I am seeing voltages at the 
relays I have to conclude the ignition switch is OK as it lights up the 
dash and the relays and such. I've also put good batteries in, voltages 
are good, but nothing is cranking.


Turns out there is a 100A ceramic fuse on the positive battery terminal 
that looks like the starter connects too, the fuse was good near as I 
could tell, looked clean and fairly new.  But maybe not, I was thinking 
to clamp the cable directly to the terminal to see if that worked but 
didn't yet.


So now I am thinking there must be a bad starter relay somewhere, if 
there is one, that I am not seeing.  Maybe on the starter? Only thing I 
have seen is the small relay in the fuse box under the hood, which 
appears to be working.  Or the starter solenoid itself or the starter 
has gone bad?  I have not been under the car yet to see if there is 
voltage going to the starter or to try to put power directly to it.  I 
don't even know where it is!  I guess I will have to look at that aspect 
and see what else I can determine.


Any other ideas or suggestions?

--
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Re: [MBZ] Racism

 I've been called racist for asking "Where are your people from?" which is 
silly. My ancestors came to north America on the Mayflower, I'm 13th 
generation. My people stole this country from the people who were already here 
fair and square. My being interested in your ancestry doesn't make me racist, 
it makes me interested...
Usually once I explain people get flustered. Then some of them like to tell me 
everything. Its also interesting the people that have no idea, they've never 
considered how they got here...
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 3:21:38 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via 
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 ROFL.

Note: My ex-spouse was Burmese and she got this a LOT, including from me
when we first met...

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> This is actually pretty funny, but sad:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/tko2one/videos/1031472077131/
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Finny

Earl Scheib.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> The shade of blue is vaguely unfamiliar.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>> Maybe
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 7:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Didn’t someone post this earlier today? Rick?
>>> 
>>> I recall the tape around the left headlight.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 1968 Mercedes Benz 230 Fintail - RUNS and DRIVES W110
 
 
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/d/dallas-1968-mercedes-benz-230-fintail/7115123123.html
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Racism


On 29/04/2020 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

This is actually pretty funny, but sad:

https://www.facebook.com/tko2one/videos/1031472077131/

-D

I guess I am a dinosaur when it comes to things like this. Yes it was a 
bit funny, all things considered, but why is it sad?


Are we really to pretend that we don't notice that people are different? 
Ethnic minorities use it to their advantage and wave their proverbial 
arms to be noticed when it suits them but we are not supposed to notice 
otherwise?


Why is it "racism" when the young fellow tries to ask the young lady 
about her family background. She is obviously Asian. She ultimately says 
her background is Korean if my memory is accurate. Why is that an 
improper issue? Why is she offended by his questions?  He did not swear 
at her or in some manner try to put her down because she appeared to be 
Asian. He just asked her what her family background was.


I am a mix of European, Scandinavian and British Isles. I am not 
offended if someone asks about my family background. If an Asian, Indian 
or African  person asked me where my family came from I would be happy 
enough to tell them and would not be offended because their skin or 
other physical features were different than mine and they happened to 
notice it and ask me about it.


Racism used to be about hatred. Now it seems to have become whatever 
someone slightly different than you thinks if you happen to notice that 
they are different than you.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] Racism

ROFL.

Note: My ex-spouse was Burmese and she got this a LOT, including from me
when we first met...

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>
> https://www.facebook.com/tko2one/videos/1031472077131/
>
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Re: [MBZ] A Kleb Car If I Ever Saw One!!!

Uh no

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> 
> But will you be a buyer?
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> Holy cow that has to the the worst w210 seat I seen. It’s seen a lot of ass.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > Ad says it all:
>> > 
>> > https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/riverview-1999-mercedes-benz-430/7115596749.html
>> >  
>> > 
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>> > This thing is begging to be in the back 40 of Okie Acres.
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Re: [MBZ] Good deal or bad deal?

Yea that always makes me leery. 

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> Cranky seller - beware!  If you ask for photos of the engine he will jack
> up the price by $500.
> 
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>> Good deal, go get it!
>> 
>> Max Dillon
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Good deal or bad deal?

The sad part is that his may be a pretty decent deal so long as the seller
provides adequate information,

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> so if you don't Mean Buisness…. forget about this car -and playing
> the wait out game for the price to go down because it will go the
> opposite direction with whatever I put into it.
>
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] Good deal or bad deal?

so if you don't Mean Buisness…. forget about this car -and playing 
the wait out game for the price to go down because it will go the 
opposite direction with whatever I put into it.


On 4/29/20 2:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Cranky seller - beware!  If you ask for photos of the engine he will jack
up the price by $500.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 1:59 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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Good deal, go get it!

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Apr 29, 2020 1:12:21 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/434645107225064/


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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 87 300D in Poosland

 We drove to Palm Beach twice and one time north from Palm. It takes almost 
exactly 24 hours no matter which way you slice it. We were delivering a car for 
an elderly woman my wife knew and she paid for everything. Every time we did it 
we drove a basically new Cadillac CTS. Sweet cars for that job.
I'm not a lover of Florida, nothing there for me...

-Curt

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 2:47:03 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 We used to do the drive to the Clearwater Beach area in about 19 hours,
stopping only for fuel, food, and bathroom. Wouldn't do it these days,
I've got nothing against Florida but don't have any burning desire to go
there again either.

Allan

Peter Frederick via Mercedes  writes:

> Lol, lotta folk around here claim they can get from southern Indiana to 
> "Florida" in 11 hours.  Maybe, if you average 95 mph and are going to Destin 
> in the Panhandle.
>
> Miami is a good solid two day trip of 10 hours each, give or take a bit, 
> running with traffic on the interstate.  Naturally, the times I've done this 
> involve several traffic jams and all good weather.  I made a stop in Warner 
> Robins both ways, it's about half way.  Was feeling bad on the way back (bad 
> cold or flu the entire trip, what a way to spend Christmas!) so I stopped 
> overnight in Clarksville, TN at my brother's too.
>
> Georgia border to my sister's house in Hollywood at the time was 625 miles.  
> Miami is another 30 min or so, 45 to the airport.

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Re: [MBZ] A Kleb Car If I Ever Saw One!!!

But will you be a buyer?

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Holy cow that has to the the worst w210 seat I seen. It’s seen a lot of
> ass.
>
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> > On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Ad says it all:
> >
> >
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/riverview-1999-mercedes-benz-430/7115596749.html
> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/riverview-1999-mercedes-benz-430/7115596749.html
> >
> >
> > This thing is begging to be in the back 40 of Okie Acres.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] Finny

The shade of blue is vaguely unfamiliar.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Maybe
>
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> >
> > Didn’t someone post this earlier today? Rick?
> >
> > I recall the tape around the left headlight.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Apr 28, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> 1968 Mercedes Benz 230 Fintail - RUNS and DRIVES W110
> >>
> >>
> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/d/dallas-1968-mercedes-benz-230-fintail/7115123123.html
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 87 300D in Poosland

We used to do the drive to the Clearwater Beach area in about 19 hours,
stopping only for fuel, food, and bathroom. Wouldn't do it these days,
I've got nothing against Florida but don't have any burning desire to go
there again either.

Allan


Peter Frederick via Mercedes  writes:

> Lol, lotta folk around here claim they can get from southern Indiana to 
> "Florida" in 11 hours.  Maybe, if you average 95 mph and are going to Destin 
> in the Panhandle.
>
> Miami is a good solid two day trip of 10 hours each, give or take a bit, 
> running with traffic on the interstate.  Naturally, the times I've done this 
> involve several traffic jams and all good weather.  I made a stop in Warner 
> Robins both ways, it's about half way.   Was feeling bad on the way back (bad 
> cold or flu the entire trip, what a way to spend Christmas!) so I stopped 
> overnight in Clarksville, TN at my brother's too.
>
> Georgia border to my sister's house in Hollywood at the time was 625 miles.  
> Miami is another 30 min or so, 45 to the airport.


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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 87 300D in Poosland

 Jacksonville to Miami is pretty much like driving the length of the state of 
Maine from York in the south to Caribou in the north. The exception is that the 
last hour north to Caribou is all 2 lane roads, the highway stops in Houlton...
-Curt

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 10:47:04 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 People rarely understand this. Like they also don’t understand that it would 
take a day to drive from say Pensacola to Miami. Like driving across Texas, 
just greener.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> Oh yeah, I have been through there
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 4/29/20 10:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yeah, I guess so. Understand that the Atlantic coast and south Florida are 
>> like totally different worlds compared to where I’m at.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> But you are our Florida Man
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 4/29/20 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 Port Orange is not in my area. Day trip.
 
 -D
 
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/619869058868531
> 
> 1987 Mercedes 300D Diesel
> $800
> Vehicles
> 
> ›
> Cars
> 
> Listed 3 days ago in Port Orange, FL 
> 
> 
> 
> Details
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> 
> *
>  Condition
>  Used - Good
> 
> 1987 Turbo Diesel Mercedes. Will start and run but has noise in top end. 
> Could be a injector, Belt tensioner , or loose valve. . I have a video of 
> running. Just ask Located in South Daytona. Clean Title in hand. Local 
> delivery available. $950 . O.B.O.
> Port Orange, FL
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Re: [MBZ] Good deal or bad deal?