Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>> “But I don’t want the TruCoat!!!”

>TruCoat?

In reference to a line from the movie "Fargo". 


https://youtu.be/B2LLB9CGfLs

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 20:48:03 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Had a neighbor who is a D.O. Had a local practice that a number of

Interesting story.


> “But I don’t want the TruCoat!!!”

TruCoat?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 20:57:47 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> OK - that sounds bad. with the lines, the whole lens is functional. I
> don't even notice the lines now, and I don't care what they look like
> to others.

When I started to need visual assistance in the late '80s, I got a pair
of half-frame readers off a supermarket shelf. Those were my sole set of
spectacles for several years, until about '95, I think. 

When I started needing assistance for distance vision I got lined
bifocals. since looking through half-frame readers for near vision
and over them for distance was definitely a lined bifocal.


Craig




> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:13 PM Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:53:48 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > From what the doctor told me, progressives is just another name for
> > > no like bifocals.
> >
> > "No like", huh? Does that really describe your feelings toward
> > them? :-)
> >
> >
> > I was looking briefly on the Internet for a picture showing the
> > distribution of focal lengths across the typical "progressive" lens
> > which I had seen before, but I couldn't find it.
> >
> > I had thought the focal length was continuously variable from the
> > top-middle of the lens to the bottom, but such is not the case. There
> > are typically three central "zones" with progressively shorter focal
> > lengths as one goes from the middle-top to the bottom of the lens.
> > There are also two "zones" to the sides of the central "zones" which
> > have a different focal length for peripheral vision.

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Re: [MBZ] Need an airplane?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The Mercedes of the air!

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Nothing is more expensive than a cheap airplane - especially one with
> retractable gear! And yes, that is cheap 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:56 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/hvo/d/flagstaff-cessna-182rg-1982/7134950555.html
>> 
>> 982 CESSNA 182RG SKYLANE II
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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> OK Don
> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
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> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mini splits

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I put in a 4-head unit with 2-12k and 2-9k heads, this was a few years ago, was 
less than $3k for all the stuff. Not hard to install, I’ve done 3 systems now 
with 8 head units. I kinda like these things and installing them. 

Don’t forget running 30A power to the condenser units. You’ll need circuits and 
cutoffs at the condensers. 

--FT
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> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:44 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm considering mini-splits (probably a big not so mini four way one) as I 
> have hot water baseboard heat and window AC.  
> 
> The windowsills are getting trashed from the window units, the house isn't 
> sealed well, and I have absolutely no intentions of ever giving up my 
> baseboard hot water heat, so my options are a central unit in the attic with 
> holes in the ceiling and heat loss through the ducting or mini-splits.
> 
> I'm thinking for 7 grand I can put a four split in, large unit in the living 
> room which will do the kitchen and my bedroom (converted porch with a brick 
> internal wall) and one each in the three bedrooms at the back of the house.  
> That would locate the exterior part near the electric service and no more 
> than 15 ft from any of the interior units.
> 
> Cheaper than the metal shingles I put on a few years back.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mini splits

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Thanks for the input.  Still exploring options -- don't need a huge amount of 
cooling, 1600 sq ft, shade on the roof at all hours of the day now.



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Re: [MBZ] Mini splits

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

I've only done 3/4 ton singles. You have more outdoor units, but they're
small and quiet. No problems with minimum BTUs being too high when you
only need to run one indoor unit at low speed. If there's a failure, all
the other units still work. And I don't recall a three ton with four
cassettes being any cheaper than four 3/4 tons. Biggest advantage to a
multi split that I can think of offhand is you only need one circuit
breaker to power it.

Mitch.

On Wed, June 3, 2020 9:43 pm, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
> I'm considering mini-splits (probably a big not so mini four way one) as
> I have hot water baseboard heat and window AC.


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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

When the things show up in a couple of weeks we shall see how it goes. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I tried bi-focals twice over a decade.  I kept falling down the stairs with 
> them, so had to revert to single spectacles and readers.  
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:53 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Well-made progressives are awesome - you won't regret it.
>> 
>> Buying internet bifocal/progressive glasses from China labs is not the way
>> to get well fitted spectacles. I assume yours came from a decent optician
>> who fitted them in person.
>> 
>> So far all I've gotten from those sources is single visionreading glasses,
>> but as near as I can tell they did a decent job with the PD and spherical
>> coordinate.
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Chinese Red Death Flu

[Clay via Mercedes]

I tried bi-focals twice over a decade.  I kept falling down the stairs with 
them, so had to revert to single spectacles and readers.  

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:53 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Well-made progressives are awesome - you won't regret it.
> 
> Buying internet bifocal/progressive glasses from China labs is not the way
> to get well fitted spectacles. I assume yours came from a decent optician
> who fitted them in person.
> 
> So far all I've gotten from those sources is single visionreading glasses,
> but as near as I can tell they did a decent job with the PD and spherical
> coordinate.
> Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[OK Don via Mercedes]

OK - that sounds bad. with the lines, the whole lens is functional. I don't
even notice the lines now, and I don't care what they look like to others.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:13 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:53:48 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > From what the doctor told me, progressives is just another name for no
> > like bifocals.
>
> "No like", huh? Does that really describe your feelings toward them? :-)
>
>
> I was looking briefly on the Internet for a picture showing the
> distribution of focal lengths across the typical "progressive" lens
> which I had seen before, but I couldn't find it.
>
> I had thought the focal length was continuously variable from the
> top-middle of the lens to the bottom, but such is not the case. There are
> typically three central "zones" with progressively shorter focal lengths
> as one goes from the middle-top to the bottom of the lens. There are also
> two "zones" to the sides of the central "zones" which have a different
> focal length for peripheral vision.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Need an airplane?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Nothing is more expensive than a cheap airplane - especially one with
retractable gear! And yes, that is cheap 

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 6:56 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
>
> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/hvo/d/flagstaff-cessna-182rg-1982/7134950555.html
>
> 982 CESSNA 182RG SKYLANE II
>
>
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

“Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
Von Braun
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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Mini splits

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Sounds,like a,good plan Peter.  We don't give up our hot water heat but
use mini splits in late fall & early spring

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 9:44 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm considering mini-splits (probably a big not so mini four way one) as I
> have hot water baseboard heat and window AC.
>
> The windowsills are getting trashed from the window units, the house isn't
> sealed well, and I have absolutely no intentions of ever giving up my
> baseboard hot water heat, so my options are a central unit in the attic
> with holes in the ceiling and heat loss through the ducting or mini-splits.
>
> I'm thinking for 7 grand I can put a four split in, large unit in the
> living room which will do the kitchen and my bedroom (converted porch with
> a brick internal wall) and one each in the three bedrooms at the back of
> the house.  That would locate the exterior part near the electric service
> and no more than 15 ft from any of the interior units.
>
> Cheaper than the metal shingles I put on a few years back.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mini splits

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I'm considering mini-splits (probably a big not so mini four way one) as I have 
hot water baseboard heat and window AC.  

The windowsills are getting trashed from the window units, the house isn't 
sealed well, and I have absolutely no intentions of ever giving up my baseboard 
hot water heat, so my options are a central unit in the attic with holes in the 
ceiling and heat loss through the ducting or mini-splits.

I'm thinking for 7 grand I can put a four split in, large unit in the living 
room which will do the kitchen and my bedroom (converted porch with a brick 
internal wall) and one each in the three bedrooms at the back of the house.  
That would locate the exterior part near the electric service and no more than 
15 ft from any of the interior units.

Cheaper than the metal shingles I put on a few years back.



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Re: [MBZ] Pretty '06 4-matic wagon on BAT

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Well could be nice trip. I love my 4matic & i have quite,a bit of
experience  with 4WD & AWD

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 1:48 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looks nice but it's in Wisconsin.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2006-mercedes-benz-e-5/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-06-03
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Re: [MBZ] Mini splits

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes,when life returns to normal would be good investment. We got tired of
schlepping  window AC's in & out.. every season.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 7:34 PM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> At some point I plan to put one here to replace our wall mount AC unit. I
> had kind of planned to do it this year but with no pay increase and 6 weeks
> of furlough all extra spending is on hold.
>
> On furlough next week, doing brakes and some rust repair on the pickup. It
> had been scheduled to get replaced this fall, instead its getting some
> fixin and new tires. Should be able to run it a couple more years easy.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 7:27:27 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes ours have both AC & heat down to 30F. We just put some in our church's
> vicarage that heat down to almost zero.
>
> We love ours.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 5:18 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
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[MBZ] Progressive lenses.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Mine have 3 distances. Close, medium & distance.  I have no idea,what they
cost as i got them through insurance at work. I have had them  for years.
Only issue i have ever had is driving a,lawn tractor &  look  back to side
to check  mowing swath. I do know  people who have trouble with them but
until this thread never thought about them  i have corneal disease in my
right eye so i get MD level eye care.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 8:13 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:53:48 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > From what the doctor told me, progressives is just another name for no
> > like bifocals.
>
> "No like", huh? Does that really describe your feelings toward them? :-)
>
>
> I was looking briefly on the Internet for a picture showing the
> distribution of focal lengths across the typical "progressive" lens
> which I had seen before, but I couldn't find it.
>
> I had thought the focal length was continuously variable from the
> top-middle of the lens to the bottom, but such is not the case. There are
> typically three central "zones" with progressively shorter focal lengths
> as one goes from the middle-top to the bottom of the lens. There are also
> two "zones" to the sides of the central "zones" which have a different
> focal length for peripheral vision.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Had a neighbor who is a D.O. Had a local practice that a number of neighbor 
people went to in a fairly upscale area. A good friend and neighbor’s wife went 
and got her eyes checked and bought glasses, to the tune of like $800. Husband 
of neighbor, also a good friend, swore out revenge when he found out what his 
wife had spent on a single pair of glasses. He was livid.

The D.O. and her scumbag husband (another story for another day) used to have 
all sorts of parties at their house. Holiday parties, Monte Carlo nights, etc., 
etc. with loads of food and almost always a big bowl of chilled shrimp. Husband 
of neighbor attended every party they had, would pull a chair up in front of 
the food table where the bowl of shrimp was, and proceed to consume nearly all 
of the shrimp. He would then stand up, give his regards to the host and hostess 
and others, and leave.

I kid you not, he did this for several years. They never understood what the 
behavior was about, but everyone else knew. He swore he would get his $800 back 
in shrimp.

The worthless couple has fled the neighborhood after they defaulted on their 
mortgage and gutted the house just prior to the bank taking it over, and to 
this day we still bug my neighbor buddy about plowing through the shrimp 
whenever there’s a party.

As a side note, I went to this D.O. once. She did a good job with my Rx, but as 
soon as I came out she had this high pressure gal who was ready to put me into 
$500 designer frames before I got out the door. That’s the scam - they don’t 
make much of anything on the exam, they make it all on the stupid expensive 
markup on frames and add-ons.

“But I don’t want the TruCoat!!!”

-D


> On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:24 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:52:59 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> So how does that work if the prescription is bad? Do you go back to the
>> eye doctor to get a new exam and they remake the glasses?
> 
> That's how it's supposed to work.
> 
> A friend of ours recommended her optometrist to another, mutual, friend
> and to Shirley and me.
> 
> The second friend and Shirley later had appointments with the optometrist
> and got prescriptions for glasses. I took Shirley to Costco to have her
> glasses made.
> 
> The second friend had her glasses made by the optometrist's office at a
> rather high price. She went back later to complain she could not see very
> well and was told by the optometrist he had been an optometrist for 38
> years and did not make mistakes, so he would not fix her glasses.
> 
> This was Shirley's first prescription with prism, so I am thinking about
> taking her some place else to be re-refracted to get a new prescription.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:52:59 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> So how does that work if the prescription is bad? Do you go back to the
> eye doctor to get a new exam and they remake the glasses?

That's how it's supposed to work.

A friend of ours recommended her optometrist to another, mutual, friend
and to Shirley and me.

The second friend and Shirley later had appointments with the optometrist
and got prescriptions for glasses. I took Shirley to Costco to have her
glasses made.

The second friend had her glasses made by the optometrist's office at a
rather high price. She went back later to complain she could not see very
well and was told by the optometrist he had been an optometrist for 38
years and did not make mistakes, so he would not fix her glasses.

This was Shirley's first prescription with prism, so I am thinking about
taking her some place else to be re-refracted to get a new prescription.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:53:48 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> From what the doctor told me, progressives is just another name for no
> like bifocals. 

"No like", huh? Does that really describe your feelings toward them? :-)


I was looking briefly on the Internet for a picture showing the
distribution of focal lengths across the typical "progressive" lens
which I had seen before, but I couldn't find it.

I had thought the focal length was continuously variable from the
top-middle of the lens to the bottom, but such is not the case. There are
typically three central "zones" with progressively shorter focal lengths
as one goes from the middle-top to the bottom of the lens. There are also
two "zones" to the sides of the central "zones" which have a different
focal length for peripheral vision.


Craig

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[MBZ] Need an airplane?

[Craig via Mercedes]

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/hvo/d/flagstaff-cessna-182rg-1982/7134950555.html

982 CESSNA 182RG SKYLANE II


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Re: [MBZ] Mini splits

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 At some point I plan to put one here to replace our wall mount AC unit. I had 
kind of planned to do it this year but with no pay increase and 6 weeks of 
furlough all extra spending is on hold.
On furlough next week, doing brakes and some rust repair on the pickup. It had 
been scheduled to get replaced this fall, instead its getting some fixin and 
new tires. Should be able to run it a couple more years easy.
-Curt

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 7:27:27 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes ours have both AC & heat down to 30F. We just put some in our church's
vicarage that heat down to almost zero.

We love ours.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh boy.

On 6/3/2020 6:26 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Kaleb, our master, just bought a new slave.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  
wrote:

I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get lots of 
answers.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:

There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent response.

Rick



  Original Message



The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should get
that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under the
dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line from the
brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?


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Re: [MBZ] Mini splits

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes ours have both AC & heat down to 30F. We just put some in our church's
vicarage that heat down to almost zero.

We love ours.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Kaleb, our master, just bought a new slave.

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> On Jun 3, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get lots 
> of answers. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent response. 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message  
>> 
>> 
 The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should get
 that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under the
 dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line from the
 brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Dichotomy

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On Wed, June 3, 2020 7:02 pm, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> Right! - 3.5" floppies were WAY cool. I still have a Panasonic laptop
> that boots from a 3.5" floppy of the 720KB size.

It hasn't wanted to boot up for the last ten years or so, but I have a
Zenith Minisport HD with a 2 or 2.5" 20 Meg hard drive. Before that, I had
a Minisport with the 2" floppy drive in it. That was interesting. I think
I paid $30-40 for a ten pack of floppies. Bought it new for $400, sold it
in perfect condition for $200 when I bought the one with a hard drive and
an external 3.5" drive. IIRC the 2" floppies were 720kb, just like the low
density 3.5" were. There were also 8" floppies. I have one and only one
somewhere, I can't even remember what computer I was using that I had to
store my homework on 8". Maybe it was the CDC Cyber 200.

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Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea this is becoming a priority or I will never get all these cars fixed. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:58 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Look around for folks that sell them... broker a deal with them to come and
> install yours, and fix anything it needs...
> If you have space in your shop for a 4 post lift and a two post lift
> get one of each you will be glad you have them.
> It is amazing how easy it becomes to do exhaust.. or rear ends.. or just
> oil changes need to check that rattle.. put it on the lift and look and
> shake 20 minutes later, done... fixed... Next !
> 
> Spend the money you will always be glad you did back pain gone
> or less because you can raise the work to YOUR height... etc etc
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:48 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yea, I am sure I will wonder why I didn’t get off my lazy rear and do it
>> years ago. I’m still not positive if it works for not. Supposedly it does
>> but bought it used. Would also like to get a 2 post lift fairly soon as
>> well.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kaleb,
>>> Yes, clamp off the line to the clutch master to keep from a big mess when
>>> you disconnect the clutch master.
>>> Replace both slave and master, then, open supply line.
>>> 
>>> And... get that damn car lift up and working hire somebody to install
>>> it... you will up your volume of work by geometric scale NEVER lay on
>>> your back again.. lift the whole car... brake jobs while standing.. or
>>> setting in an office chair... Tool box rolled under the car so you don't
>>> have to get up and down for a wrench... etc etc etc.
>>> 
>>> You'll be soo glad you did it...
>>> 
 On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:28 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get
 lots of answers.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent response.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> Original Message
> 
> 
>>> The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should
 get
>>> that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under
 the
>>> dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line
 from the
>>> brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

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What Herr Mann said - JUST DO IT.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:58 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Look around for folks that sell them... broker a deal with them to come and
> install yours, and fix anything it needs...
> If you have space in your shop for a 4 post lift and a two post lift
> get one of each you will be glad you have them.
> It is amazing how easy it becomes to do exhaust.. or rear ends.. or just
> oil changes need to check that rattle.. put it on the lift and look and
> shake 20 minutes later, done... fixed... Next !
>
> Spend the money you will always be glad you did back pain gone
> or less because you can raise the work to YOUR height... etc etc
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:48 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yea, I am sure I will wonder why I didn’t get off my lazy rear and do it
> > years ago. I’m still not positive if it works for not. Supposedly it does
> > but bought it used. Would also like to get a 2 post lift fairly soon as
> > well.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Kaleb,
> > > Yes, clamp off the line to the clutch master to keep from a big mess
> when
> > > you disconnect the clutch master.
> > > Replace both slave and master, then, open supply line.
> > >
> > > And... get that damn car lift up and working hire somebody to
> install
> > > it... you will up your volume of work by geometric scale NEVER lay
> on
> > > your back again.. lift the whole car... brake jobs while standing.. or
> > > setting in an office chair... Tool box rolled under the car so you
> don't
> > > have to get up and down for a wrench... etc etc etc.
> > >
> > > You'll be soo glad you did it...
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:28 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get
> > >> lots of answers.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent
> response.
> > >>>
> > >>> Rick
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  Original Message
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > > The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I
> should
> > >> get
> > > that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back
> under
> > >> the
> > > dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line
> > >> from the
> > > brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Dichotomy

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Right! - 3.5" floppies were WAY cool. I still have a Panasonic laptop that
boots from a 3.5" floppy of the 720KB size. My first use of a computer was
a CP/M machine that a friend loaned me for few months while it was between
his customers. I later got a VIC 20 with the tape drive. That lasted a
little while, but then I bought an 8080 clone PC that had a CP/M daughter
board for programing and running multi slide projector shows. It was a dual
5.25" floppy machine. I next traded a Mamyaflex C220 outfit for a Seagate
ST225 (?) 20 MB hard drive that replaced one of the floppies. I had a buy a
new BIOS chip to use it. DOS 1.2, IIRC.
I moved up to am IBM luggable, still 8080, moved the AVL daughter board to
it, and could now present and program on site multi-image shows. I was big
time then - the only AVL programmer in the OKC area!
Sorry, I don't remember the years - but it started sometime in the '80's.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:21 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> And when the 3.25 floppy came out it was a miracle!
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > My first computer I used extensively and learned on was a 286 as well
> back
> > during the same time frame at work. I remember the 486 being a monster
> and
> > when they came out with Pentium processors it was unbelievable.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 3, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 16:03:23 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> I declare Craig the winner.
> > >
> > > Winner?
> > >
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > >
> > >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:16 PM Craig via Mercedes
> > >>>  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> My first use of a computer was in 1967 at Caltech. We used modified
> > >>> IBM Selectric typewriters scattered across campus and connected to
> the
> > >>> mainframe in the computation building. We programmed in a simple
> > >>> adaptation of Fortran called Citran, which was easy and quick to
> learn
> > >>> and easy to use (now why can't all computer languages be like that!).
> > >>> The mainframe really drove those typewriters! It was interesting to
> > >>> watch the ball jump all around to do the output typing.
> > >>> Unfortunately, the Selectric's mechanicals were not up to the
> > >>> constant pounding and the uptime was somewhat low.
> > >>>
> > >>> That was followed up in 1968 at Hughes Aircraft in Culver City,
> > >>> California, by my use of a teletype connected to a mainframe in
> > >>> downtown Los Angeles to write BASIC programs. (In my student house at
> > >>> Caltech, I used a teletype driven by the contacts of a sensitive
> > >>> relay which was powered by the rectified audio of my shortwave
> > >>> receiver to read the news headlines broadcast around the world).
> > >>>
> > >>> My first owned computer was in about 1993, an IBM 80286 I used to
> > >>> connect from my house to the mainframe in U.T. Austin's Applied
> > >>> Research Laboratory to continue my work from home.
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Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Look around for folks that sell them... broker a deal with them to come and
install yours, and fix anything it needs...
If you have space in your shop for a 4 post lift and a two post lift
get one of each you will be glad you have them.
It is amazing how easy it becomes to do exhaust.. or rear ends.. or just
oil changes need to check that rattle.. put it on the lift and look and
shake 20 minutes later, done... fixed... Next !

Spend the money you will always be glad you did back pain gone
or less because you can raise the work to YOUR height... etc etc


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:48 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yea, I am sure I will wonder why I didn’t get off my lazy rear and do it
> years ago. I’m still not positive if it works for not. Supposedly it does
> but bought it used. Would also like to get a 2 post lift fairly soon as
> well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Kaleb,
> > Yes, clamp off the line to the clutch master to keep from a big mess when
> > you disconnect the clutch master.
> > Replace both slave and master, then, open supply line.
> >
> > And... get that damn car lift up and working hire somebody to install
> > it... you will up your volume of work by geometric scale NEVER lay on
> > your back again.. lift the whole car... brake jobs while standing.. or
> > setting in an office chair... Tool box rolled under the car so you don't
> > have to get up and down for a wrench... etc etc etc.
> >
> > You'll be soo glad you did it...
> >
> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:28 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get
> >> lots of answers.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent response.
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Original Message
> >>>
> >>>
> > The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should
> >> get
> > that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under
> >> the
> > dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line
> >> from the
> > brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
> >
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Meade wrote:

> Prevention of infection is not the goal, prevention of
> hospitalization and death from the infection, THAT is the goal.

> Sounds like they moved the goal posts in order to get the
> outcome they desired.

The goals have obviously been moving ever since the curve was
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Re: [MBZ] Mini splits

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I see these off brand mini-splits advertised on my local FB marketplace all of 
the time. I think the consensus was to avoid them.

-D

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 5:18 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea, I am sure I will wonder why I didn’t get off my lazy rear and do it years 
ago. I’m still not positive if it works for not. Supposedly it does but bought 
it used. Would also like to get a 2 post lift fairly soon as well. 

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> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> Yes, clamp off the line to the clutch master to keep from a big mess when
> you disconnect the clutch master.
> Replace both slave and master, then, open supply line.
> 
> And... get that damn car lift up and working hire somebody to install
> it... you will up your volume of work by geometric scale NEVER lay on
> your back again.. lift the whole car... brake jobs while standing.. or
> setting in an office chair... Tool box rolled under the car so you don't
> have to get up and down for a wrench... etc etc etc.
> 
> You'll be soo glad you did it...
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:28 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get
>> lots of answers.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent response.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original Message
>>> 
>>> 
> The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should
>> get
> that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under
>> the
> dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line
>> from the
> brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

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Kaleb,
Yes, clamp off the line to the clutch master to keep from a big mess when
you disconnect the clutch master.
Replace both slave and master, then, open supply line.

And... get that damn car lift up and working hire somebody to install
it... you will up your volume of work by geometric scale NEVER lay on
your back again.. lift the whole car... brake jobs while standing.. or
setting in an office chair... Tool box rolled under the car so you don't
have to get up and down for a wrench... etc etc etc.

You'll be soo glad you did it...

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:28 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get
> lots of answers.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent response.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >   Original Message
> >
> >
> >>> The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should
> get
> >>> that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under
> the
> >>> dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line
> from the
> >>> brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think I would just bleed it out by removing the slave cylinder, then crack 
the connection to the master to allow air in.  Remove the carpet from the 
driver footwell if you can, put some rags inside to catch any drips.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 3, 2020 5:28:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get lots 
> of answers.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent response.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> Original Message
>> 
 The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should get
 that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under the
 dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line from the
 brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I just figured it would be an attention grabbing subject and would get lots of 
answers. 

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> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent response. 
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
>   Original Message  
> 
> 
>>> The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should get
>>> that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under the
>>> dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line from the
>>> brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
>>> 
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[MBZ] 240d Clutch Cylinder was Re: Something Stupid

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

There. I fixed it. Now perhaps you will get some intelligent response. 

Rick



  Original Message  


>> The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should get
>> that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under the
>> dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line from the
>> brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
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Re: [MBZ] Donald Trump is a racist

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Trump is not a racist.
https://youtu.be/ylAh9VjLTiU


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> No what?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > No.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should
> get
> >> that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under the
> >> dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line from
> the
> >> brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Dichotomy

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

And when the 3.25 floppy came out it was a miracle!

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My first computer I used extensively and learned on was a 286 as well back
> during the same time frame at work. I remember the 486 being a monster and
> when they came out with Pentium processors it was unbelievable.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 3, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 16:03:23 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> I declare Craig the winner.
> >
> > Winner?
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:16 PM Craig via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> My first use of a computer was in 1967 at Caltech. We used modified
> >>> IBM Selectric typewriters scattered across campus and connected to the
> >>> mainframe in the computation building. We programmed in a simple
> >>> adaptation of Fortran called Citran, which was easy and quick to learn
> >>> and easy to use (now why can't all computer languages be like that!).
> >>> The mainframe really drove those typewriters! It was interesting to
> >>> watch the ball jump all around to do the output typing.
> >>> Unfortunately, the Selectric's mechanicals were not up to the
> >>> constant pounding and the uptime was somewhat low.
> >>>
> >>> That was followed up in 1968 at Hughes Aircraft in Culver City,
> >>> California, by my use of a teletype connected to a mainframe in
> >>> downtown Los Angeles to write BASIC programs. (In my student house at
> >>> Caltech, I used a teletype driven by the contacts of a sensitive
> >>> relay which was powered by the rectified audio of my shortwave
> >>> receiver to read the news headlines broadcast around the world).
> >>>
> >>> My first owned computer was in about 1993, an IBM 80286 I used to
> >>> connect from my house to the mainframe in U.T. Austin's Applied
> >>> Research Laboratory to continue my work from home.
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[MBZ] Mini splits

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/544822119790746/


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Re: [MBZ] Donald Trump is a racist

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No what?

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> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:03 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should get
>> that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under the
>> dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line from the
>> brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Donald Trump is a racist

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

No.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should get
> that done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under the
> dash to remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line from the
> brake reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?
>
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[MBZ] Donald Trump is a racist

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The master and slave cylinders arrived for the 240D. I guess I should get that 
done. I’m really not looking forward to laying on my back under the dash to 
remove and replace the master. Should I pinch off the line from the brake 
reservoir to try to avoid a big mess inside the car?

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Pretty much, although I’m not sure how “bad” is qualified. I can tell you that 
most if not all of the online glasses places will replaced and fix any goofs in 
the prescription for free. I had one with 39DollarGlasses a couple years ago 
where I used their tool to determine my PID and it was off.  I got it checked 
at Costco and got the correct value and they sent me new lenses for my frame 
with instruction on how to swap them out. It was pretty easy to do.

I will second Mitch’s point about having the glasses done by someone local. 
When I got a pair of glasses from Costco a year ago the fitting made all the 
difference. Out of the box they didn’t fit well, and the optician did their 
bending/tweaking and afterwards they fit great. Costco can have some good deals 
on glasses, and if you don’t go berserk on “designer frames” you can find some 
good deals.

-D


> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So how does that work if the prescription is bad? Do you go back to the eye 
> doctor to get a new exam and they remake the glasses?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:27:30 -0400 Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> IIRC, Craig got a good deal at Costco last year.
>>> Mitch.
>> 
>> We got a pair of lined bifocals for Shirley.
>> 
>> It's turning out the prescription was bad.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
 On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:59 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 So what did people pay for their pair of progressives?  Mine cost $300
 and that was with the discount.  I guard them with my life.
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I had some made at Costco some years ago and I just could not wear them 
even after trying to get acclimated.  Took them back and they took them 
back, no questions, refunded my money.  I got some others from the 
optician/optometrist shop and they were much better.  I guess it depends 
on the manufacturing facility or something


--FT

On 6/3/20 4:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

So how does that work if the prescription is bad? Do you go back to the eye 
doctor to get a new exam and they remake the glasses?


--
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep 

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> On Jun 3, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> “But I don’t want the TruCoat!!!”
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mine was a little less than that with frames and whole deal, but I went with 
>> reflective coating, scratch coating, transition, polycarbonate etc.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 3, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> IIRC, Craig got a good deal at Costco last year.
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
 On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:59 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 So what did people pay for their pair of progressives?  Mine cost $300
 and that was with the discount.  I guard them with my life.
>>> 
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Chinese Red Death Flu

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

The last time I got new lenses at Costco (reusing the frames I had bought at 
Costco about 25 years ago) they made an error and put the wrong lenses into one 
of the frames. They made another pair and gave me the incorrect ones for free.

Greg

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So how does that work if the prescription is bad? Do you go back to the eye 
doctor to get a new exam and they remake the glasses?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:27:30 -0400 Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> IIRC, Craig got a good deal at Costco last year.
>> Mitch.
> 
> We got a pair of lined bifocals for Shirley.
> 
> It's turning out the prescription was bad.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
>>> On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:59 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> So what did people pay for their pair of progressives?  Mine cost $300
>>> and that was with the discount.  I guard them with my life.
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Dichotomy

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

My first computer I used extensively and learned on was a 286 as well back 
during the same time frame at work. I remember the 486 being a monster and when 
they came out with Pentium processors it was unbelievable. 

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> On Jun 3, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 16:03:23 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I declare Craig the winner.
> 
> Winner?
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:16 PM Craig via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My first use of a computer was in 1967 at Caltech. We used modified
>>> IBM Selectric typewriters scattered across campus and connected to the
>>> mainframe in the computation building. We programmed in a simple
>>> adaptation of Fortran called Citran, which was easy and quick to learn
>>> and easy to use (now why can't all computer languages be like that!).
>>> The mainframe really drove those typewriters! It was interesting to
>>> watch the ball jump all around to do the output typing.
>>> Unfortunately, the Selectric's mechanicals were not up to the
>>> constant pounding and the uptime was somewhat low.
>>> 
>>> That was followed up in 1968 at Hughes Aircraft in Culver City,
>>> California, by my use of a teletype connected to a mainframe in
>>> downtown Los Angeles to write BASIC programs. (In my student house at
>>> Caltech, I used a teletype driven by the contacts of a sensitive
>>> relay which was powered by the rectified audio of my shortwave
>>> receiver to read the news headlines broadcast around the world).
>>> 
>>> My first owned computer was in about 1993, an IBM 80286 I used to
>>> connect from my house to the mainframe in U.T. Austin's Applied
>>> Research Laboratory to continue my work from home.
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

“But I don’t want the TruCoat!!!”

-D


> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mine was a little less than that with frames and whole deal, but I went with 
> reflective coating, scratch coating, transition, polycarbonate etc.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> IIRC, Craig got a good deal at Costco last year.
>> Mitch.
>> 
>>> On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:59 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> So what did people pay for their pair of progressives?  Mine cost $300
>>> and that was with the discount.  I guard them with my life.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

From what the doctor told me, progressives is just another name for no like 
bifocals. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 3:00 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Are the progressive lenses truly usable over the entire surface of the
> lens? Anywhere you look, there is a spot in the lens that will bring an
> object into focus, regardless of the distance?
> The no line bifocals I first got only had a narrow band that worked at the
> top and another at the bottom. Otherwise the rest of the lens made
> everything blurry.
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:55 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:27:30 -0400 Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> IIRC, Craig got a good deal at Costco last year.
>>> Mitch.
>> 
>> We got a pair of lined bifocals for Shirley.
>> 
>> It's turning out the prescription was bad.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>>> On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:59 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 So what did people pay for their pair of progressives?  Mine cost $300
 and that was with the discount.  I guard them with my life.
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> 
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> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So how does that work if the prescription is bad? Do you go back to the eye 
doctor to get a new exam and they remake the glasses?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:27:30 -0400 Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> IIRC, Craig got a good deal at Costco last year.
>> Mitch.
> 
> We got a pair of lined bifocals for Shirley.
> 
> It's turning out the prescription was bad.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
>>> On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:59 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> So what did people pay for their pair of progressives?  Mine cost $300
>>> and that was with the discount.  I guard them with my life.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Mine was a little less than that with frames and whole deal, but I went with 
reflective coating, scratch coating, transition, polycarbonate etc.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> IIRC, Craig got a good deal at Costco last year.
> Mitch.
> 
>> On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:59 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> So what did people pay for their pair of progressives?  Mine cost $300
>> and that was with the discount.  I guard them with my life.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> So, if you wear a rubber glove, put your hand into a container of nasty
> chemicals, and still get chemical burns on your hand, you can't conclude
> that the gloves did not protect your hand?

That depends.  Did you re-use gloves by turning them inside out as part of
the procedure?

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

OK Don via Mercedes  writes:

> Are the progressive lenses truly usable over the entire surface of the
> lens? Anywhere you look, there is a spot in the lens that will bring an
> object into focus, regardless of the distance?

Not in my experience. I had progressive bifocals. They worked well as
long as I was looking through the center of the lens, in other words I
was directly facing what I was looking at. If I looked left or right
through the lens, things got progressively more distorted the farther
off-center I was. Contributing to this may also have been that my
prescription is fairly strong, so I had high-index polycarbonate lenses
to reduce thickness.

Allan




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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

The scientific experiment would be to have a control group with no glove, code 
the damage level to each group, then do a statistical analysis to determine 
significance. My theory is that the gloved hands will show less damage.

Sometimes a scientific experiment is not required, like peeing on the electric 
fence.

Greg

-Original Message-
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Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 12:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical 
trial study

So, if you wear a rubber glove, put your hand into a container of nasty
chemicals, and still get chemical burns on your hand, you can't conclude
that the gloves did not protect your hand?

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:36 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As I hope you are aware, it is not possible in a scientific experiment to
> confirm the null hypothesis. So the conclusion is unwarranted.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 12:16 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study
>
> "Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to covid-19 from
> getting the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a study being
> published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine."
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk2YjA3NGQ5YmJjMGY0MDNmODlmMmYwIiwidGFnIjoid3BfbmV3c19hbGVydF9yZXZlcmUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vaGVhbHRoLzIwMjAvMDYvMDMvaHlkcm94eWNobG9yb3F1aW5lLWNsaW5pY2FsLXRyaWFsLXJlc3VsdHMvP3dwbWs9MSZ3cGlzcmM9YWxfbmV3c19fYWxlcnQtaHNlLS1hbGVydC1uYXRpb25hbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFsZXJ0JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX25ld3NfYWxlcnRfcmV2ZXJlIn0.hWnXUghpIAUUHog9UY30B_6mLEMoftX2aNv-84_xfBE_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere_medium=email_source=alert=al_news__alert-hse--alert-national=1
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 16:06:19 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Can't read it, don't have a subscription and won't turn off my tools for
> preventing the spyware and obnoxious ads.
> 
> Prevention of infection is not the goal, prevention of hospitalization
> and death from the infection, THAT is the goal.
> 
> Sounds like they moved the goal posts in order to get the outcome they
> desired.


Did they use zinc and azithromycin as well? If not, it's a invalid test.


Craig



> > "Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to
> > covid-19 from getting the disease caused by the coronavirus,
> > according to a study being published Wednesday in the New England
> > Journal of Medicine."
> >
> >
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk2YjA3NGQ5YmJjMGY0MDNmODlmMmYwIiwidGFnIjoid3BfbmV3c19hbGVydF9yZXZlcmUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vaGVhbHRoLzIwMjAvMDYvMDMvaHlkcm94eWNobG9yb3F1aW5lLWNsaW5pY2FsLXRyaWFsLXJlc3VsdHMvP3dwbWs9MSZ3cGlzcmM9YWxfbmV3c19fYWxlcnQtaHNlLS1hbGVydC1uYXRpb25hbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFsZXJ0JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX25ld3NfYWxlcnRfcmV2ZXJlIn0.hWnXUghpIAUUHog9UY30B_6mLEMoftX2aNv-84_xfBE_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere_medium=email_source=alert=al_news__alert-hse--alert-national=1

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

But if it did prevent infection, that would be great news wouldn't it?

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 4:07 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Can't read it, don't have a subscription and won't turn off my tools for
> preventing the spyware and obnoxious ads.
>
> Prevention of infection is not the goal, prevention of hospitalization and
> death from the infection, THAT is the goal.
>
> Sounds like they moved the goal posts in order to get the outcome they
> desired.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:16 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > "Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to covid-19
> from
> > getting the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a study being
> > published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine."
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk2YjA3NGQ5YmJjMGY0MDNmODlmMmYwIiwidGFnIjoid3BfbmV3c19hbGVydF9yZXZlcmUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vaGVhbHRoLzIwMjAvMDYvMDMvaHlkcm94eWNobG9yb3F1aW5lLWNsaW5pY2FsLXRyaWFsLXJlc3VsdHMvP3dwbWs9MSZ3cGlzcmM9YWxfbmV3c19fYWxlcnQtaHNlLS1hbGVydC1uYXRpb25hbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFsZXJ0JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX25ld3NfYWxlcnRfcmV2ZXJlIn0.hWnXUghpIAUUHog9UY30B_6mLEMoftX2aNv-84_xfBE_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere_medium=email_source=alert=al_news__alert-hse--alert-national=1
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Mine are very useful, as long as I have freedom to move my head up or down
as needed.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:00 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Are the progressive lenses truly usable over the entire surface of the
> lens? Anywhere you look, there is a spot in the lens that will bring an
> object into focus, regardless of the distance?
> The no line bifocals I first got only had a narrow band that worked at the
> top and another at the bottom. Otherwise the rest of the lens made
> everything blurry.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Dichotomy

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 16:03:23 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I declare Craig the winner.

Winner?


Craig

 
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:16 PM Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > My first use of a computer was in 1967 at Caltech. We used modified
> > IBM Selectric typewriters scattered across campus and connected to the
> > mainframe in the computation building. We programmed in a simple
> > adaptation of Fortran called Citran, which was easy and quick to learn
> > and easy to use (now why can't all computer languages be like that!).
> > The mainframe really drove those typewriters! It was interesting to
> > watch the ball jump all around to do the output typing.
> > Unfortunately, the Selectric's mechanicals were not up to the
> > constant pounding and the uptime was somewhat low.
> >
> > That was followed up in 1968 at Hughes Aircraft in Culver City,
> > California, by my use of a teletype connected to a mainframe in
> > downtown Los Angeles to write BASIC programs. (In my student house at
> > Caltech, I used a teletype driven by the contacts of a sensitive
> > relay which was powered by the rectified audio of my shortwave
> > receiver to read the news headlines broadcast around the world).
> >
> > My first owned computer was in about 1993, an IBM 80286 I used to
> > connect from my house to the mainframe in U.T. Austin's Applied
> > Research Laboratory to continue my work from home.

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Also if you read to the last paragraph of the story:

One weakness of the trial, he added, is that because testing was not
widely available during the time of the trial, their analysis used a
combination of lab-confirmed positive covid-19 tests and symptoms to
count someone as infected.

So "infected and asymptomatic" was not distinguished from "not infected"


Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes  writes:

> As I hope you are aware, it is not possible in a scientific experiment to 
> confirm the null hypothesis. So the conclusion is unwarranted.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
> Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 12:16 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study
>
> "Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to covid-19 from
> getting the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a study being
> published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine."
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk2YjA3NGQ5YmJjMGY0MDNmODlmMmYwIiwidGFnIjoid3BfbmV3c19hbGVydF9yZXZlcmUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vaGVhbHRoLzIwMjAvMDYvMDMvaHlkcm94eWNobG9yb3F1aW5lLWNsaW5pY2FsLXRyaWFsLXJlc3VsdHMvP3dwbWs9MSZ3cGlzcmM9YWxfbmV3c19fYWxlcnQtaHNlLS1hbGVydC1uYXRpb25hbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFsZXJ0JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX25ld3NfYWxlcnRfcmV2ZXJlIn0.hWnXUghpIAUUHog9UY30B_6mLEMoftX2aNv-84_xfBE_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere_medium=email_source=alert=al_news__alert-hse--alert-national=1

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Can't read it, don't have a subscription and won't turn off my tools for
preventing the spyware and obnoxious ads.

Prevention of infection is not the goal, prevention of hospitalization and
death from the infection, THAT is the goal.

Sounds like they moved the goal posts in order to get the outcome they
desired.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:16 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> "Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to covid-19 from
> getting the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a study being
> published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine."
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk2YjA3NGQ5YmJjMGY0MDNmODlmMmYwIiwidGFnIjoid3BfbmV3c19hbGVydF9yZXZlcmUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vaGVhbHRoLzIwMjAvMDYvMDMvaHlkcm94eWNobG9yb3F1aW5lLWNsaW5pY2FsLXRyaWFsLXJlc3VsdHMvP3dwbWs9MSZ3cGlzcmM9YWxfbmV3c19fYWxlcnQtaHNlLS1hbGVydC1uYXRpb25hbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFsZXJ0JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX25ld3NfYWxlcnRfcmV2ZXJlIn0.hWnXUghpIAUUHog9UY30B_6mLEMoftX2aNv-84_xfBE_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere_medium=email_source=alert=al_news__alert-hse--alert-national=1
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Dichotomy

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I declare Craig the winner.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:16 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> My first use of a computer was in 1967 at Caltech. We used modified IBM
> Selectric typewriters scattered across campus and connected to the
> mainframe in the computation building. We programmed in a simple
> adaptation of Fortran called Citran, which was easy and quick to learn
> and easy to use (now why can't all computer languages be like that!). The
> mainframe really drove those typewriters! It was interesting to watch the
> ball jump all around to do the output typing. Unfortunately, the
> Selectric's mechanicals were not up to the constant pounding and the
> uptime was somewhat low.
>
> That was followed up in 1968 at Hughes Aircraft in Culver City,
> California, by my use of a teletype connected to a mainframe in downtown
> Los Angeles to write BASIC programs. (In my student house at Caltech, I
> used a teletype driven by the contacts of a sensitive relay which was
> powered by the rectified audio of my shortwave receiver to read the news
> headlines broadcast around the world).
>
> My first owned computer was in about 1993, an IBM 80286 I used to
> connect from my house to the mainframe in U.T. Austin's Applied Research
> Laboratory to continue my work from home.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Are the progressive lenses truly usable over the entire surface of the
lens? Anywhere you look, there is a spot in the lens that will bring an
object into focus, regardless of the distance?
The no line bifocals I first got only had a narrow band that worked at the
top and another at the bottom. Otherwise the rest of the lens made
everything blurry.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:55 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:27:30 -0400 Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > IIRC, Craig got a good deal at Costco last year.
> > Mitch.
>
> We got a pair of lined bifocals for Shirley.
>
> It's turning out the prescription was bad.
>
>
> Craig
>
> > On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:59 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > So what did people pay for their pair of progressives?  Mine cost $300
> > > and that was with the discount.  I guard them with my life.
>
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

[OK Don via Mercedes]

So, if you wear a rubber glove, put your hand into a container of nasty
chemicals, and still get chemical burns on your hand, you can't conclude
that the gloves did not protect your hand?

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:36 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> As I hope you are aware, it is not possible in a scientific experiment to
> confirm the null hypothesis. So the conclusion is unwarranted.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 12:16 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study
>
> "Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to covid-19 from
> getting the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a study being
> published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine."
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk2YjA3NGQ5YmJjMGY0MDNmODlmMmYwIiwidGFnIjoid3BfbmV3c19hbGVydF9yZXZlcmUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vaGVhbHRoLzIwMjAvMDYvMDMvaHlkcm94eWNobG9yb3F1aW5lLWNsaW5pY2FsLXRyaWFsLXJlc3VsdHMvP3dwbWs9MSZ3cGlzcmM9YWxfbmV3c19fYWxlcnQtaHNlLS1hbGVydC1uYXRpb25hbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFsZXJ0JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX25ld3NfYWxlcnRfcmV2ZXJlIn0.hWnXUghpIAUUHog9UY30B_6mLEMoftX2aNv-84_xfBE_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere_medium=email_source=alert=al_news__alert-hse--alert-national=1
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:27:30 -0400 Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes
 wrote:

> IIRC, Craig got a good deal at Costco last year.
> Mitch.

We got a pair of lined bifocals for Shirley.

It's turning out the prescription was bad.


Craig

> On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:59 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > So what did people pay for their pair of progressives?  Mine cost $300
> > and that was with the discount.  I guard them with my life.

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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

As I hope you are aware, it is not possible in a scientific experiment to 
confirm the null hypothesis. So the conclusion is unwarranted.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 12:16 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

"Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to covid-19 from
getting the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a study being
published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk2YjA3NGQ5YmJjMGY0MDNmODlmMmYwIiwidGFnIjoid3BfbmV3c19hbGVydF9yZXZlcmUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vaGVhbHRoLzIwMjAvMDYvMDMvaHlkcm94eWNobG9yb3F1aW5lLWNsaW5pY2FsLXRyaWFsLXJlc3VsdHMvP3dwbWs9MSZ3cGlzcmM9YWxfbmV3c19fYWxlcnQtaHNlLS1hbGVydC1uYXRpb25hbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFsZXJ0JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX25ld3NfYWxlcnRfcmV2ZXJlIn0.hWnXUghpIAUUHog9UY30B_6mLEMoftX2aNv-84_xfBE_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere_medium=email_source=alert=al_news__alert-hse--alert-national=1
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[MBZ] Looting in style -- Mercedes content

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

"Jarrod Jordan told The Post he has monitored two groups — one of which 
has a caravan of luxury vehicles including Bentleys and Mercedes — as 
they prowled the neighborhood and broke into high-end stores amid the 
chaos of unrest over the police custody death 
 
of George Floyd."


https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/how-nyc-looters-pull-off-a-well-organized-scheme-to-target-high-end-stores/

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

IIRC, Craig got a good deal at Costco last year.
Mitch.

On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:59 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> So what did people pay for their pair of progressives?  Mine cost $300
> and that was with the discount.  I guard them with my life.


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[MBZ] OT: Hydroxychloroquine randomized clinical trial study

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

"Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent healthy people exposed to covid-19 from
getting the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a study being
published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial-results/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSIsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk2YjA3NGQ5YmJjMGY0MDNmODlmMmYwIiwidGFnIjoid3BfbmV3c19hbGVydF9yZXZlcmUiLCJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vaGVhbHRoLzIwMjAvMDYvMDMvaHlkcm94eWNobG9yb3F1aW5lLWNsaW5pY2FsLXRyaWFsLXJlc3VsdHMvP3dwbWs9MSZ3cGlzcmM9YWxfbmV3c19fYWxlcnQtaHNlLS1hbGVydC1uYXRpb25hbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFsZXJ0JnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXdwX25ld3NfYWxlcnRfcmV2ZXJlIn0.hWnXUghpIAUUHog9UY30B_6mLEMoftX2aNv-84_xfBE_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere_medium=email_source=alert=al_news__alert-hse--alert-national=1
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: Dichotomy

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 12:46:21 -0700 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I started with computers in '76 using a TTY keyboard to access gummint
> computers. Later, running CPM, I was able to see the evolution using
> some of the TTY codes for editing etc. For some reason I was never able
> to get interested in the games. I was too hooked on the productivity
> aspects of computers.

My first use of a computer was in 1967 at Caltech. We used modified IBM
Selectric typewriters scattered across campus and connected to the
mainframe in the computation building. We programmed in a simple
adaptation of Fortran called Citran, which was easy and quick to learn
and easy to use (now why can't all computer languages be like that!). The
mainframe really drove those typewriters! It was interesting to watch the
ball jump all around to do the output typing. Unfortunately, the
Selectric's mechanicals were not up to the constant pounding and the
uptime was somewhat low.

That was followed up in 1968 at Hughes Aircraft in Culver City,
California, by my use of a teletype connected to a mainframe in downtown
Los Angeles to write BASIC programs. (In my student house at Caltech, I
used a teletype driven by the contacts of a sensitive relay which was
powered by the rectified audio of my shortwave receiver to read the news
headlines broadcast around the world).

My first owned computer was in about 1993, an IBM 80286 I used to
connect from my house to the mainframe in U.T. Austin's Applied Research
Laboratory to continue my work from home.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So what did people pay for their pair of progressives?  Mine cost $300 and
that was with the discount.  I guard them with my life.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:26 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yes, that's called nearsightedness, and it sounds like you've developed
> some astigmatism as well. I can't read the big E, and can read without my
> glasses. The correction for distant vision makes everything smaller, hence
> even without the astigmatism correction, I see the smallest things better
> without the glasses.
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:20 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > My issue for the last nearly 20 years is I can see fine up close but far
> > off is a blur like trying to read road signs or watch TV. Here lately I
> > have noticed if I am reading my phone or some sort of very small print I
> > can see fine at mid arms length but if it’s really small print that I
> have
> > to bring close to my face to see it I can’t read it very well because
> it’s
> > now blurry.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 3, 2020, at 11:16 AM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I tried "lineless" bifocals when it became that time, and could not
> get
> > > used to them. I had little issue with the traditional bifocals, and now
> > > trifocals. I also had trouble working on things up close, and the
> > > optometrist made a set of what he called "computer glasses" that are
> > > bifocals but with the entire upper area the medium distance lens and
> the
> > > entire lower half is the close-up lens. This gives a much larger and
> > higher
> > > area where you can see close things. I use them mainly for welding and
> > > mechanicing now.
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:49 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> When I started wearing glasses I went with progressives. They took a
> > >> little getting used to, but once you get the hang of it they’re
> great, I
> > >> think. I need them for close up stuff, like computer and reading.
> > >>
> > >> Where I have issues with them is when I’m working on cars - it can be
> > >> tough to get your head in the right position to use the close up part,
> > that
> > >> is, be able to tilt your head back and see stuff really close up
> > clearly,
> > >> if that makes sense.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I ordered two pairs of glasses from Zenni, a single vision pair and a
> > >> progressive lens pair.  Took two weeks, but they had titanium frames I
> > like
> > >> and the prices were very nice.
> > >>>
> > >>> It will take some time to get used to the progressive lens glasses.
> > >> They are strange, but today is day three and I'm starting to get used
> to
> > >> them.
> > >>>
> > >>> Max Dillon
> > >>> Charleston SC
> > >>>
> > >>> Jun 2, 2020 5:29:12 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> > >>>
> >  Today I decided to call the eye doctor to see when I could get in.
> > They
> > >> just started opening back up and said it was my lucky day I could get
> > in at
> > >> 2:15. Went and did that of course they want you to wear masks. When I
> > got
> > >> back to see the doc he had me take it off. I’m now getting old and
> will
> > he
> > >> getting progressive lens this time. I then figured I would take
> > advantage
> > >> of the trip to town and was able to get in to get a hair cut also.
> Sign
> > on
> > >> door said wear mask but nobody in there was wearing them so I took
> mine
> > >> off. Life is returning to normal.
> > 
> >  Tonight there are supposed be more riots.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
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> > >
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Chinese Red Death Flu

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

On Wed, June 3, 2020 1:53 pm, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Well-made progressives are awesome - you won't regret it.

Buying internet bifocal/progressive glasses from China labs is not the way
to get well fitted spectacles. I assume yours came from a decent optician
who fitted them in person.

So far all I've gotten from those sources is single visionreading glasses,
but as near as I can tell they did a decent job with the PD and spherical
coordinate.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: RE: Chinese Red Death Flu

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I would not wear them while driving.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 12:00 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Shortly after getting my first progressive lenses I had my first issues:
> First, I went on an amusement park ride with the kids. It involved spinning
> sideways, and the visual effect left me a bit nauseous. The second was
> worse. We were camping up in BC in our travel trailer, dodging forest fires
> as often happens in the PNW. We had trouble finding a spot, and I
> shoehorned the trailer into a short spot with the rear wheels right at the
> edge of the overhang of the RV pad.
>
> But I forgot the long step to the ground from the rear door, and
> misperceived the depth because of the new lenses. I cut a walking stick and
> limped the rest of the trip, and got some x-rays when we got back to
> civilization.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 8:41 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Dan Penoff
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Chinese Red Death Flu
>
> I’ve never encountered any issues with perception since I’ve been wearing
> them. Not sure if that’s more likely if the correction is for distance
> rather than close up.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 3, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's worth getting used to.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 8:01 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Kaleb Striplin
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu
> >
> > Now I’m starting to think I should have just stuck with single vision
> and got separate readers for up close
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Be sure to hang on to the handrails (or something else) where
> available for the first year or so.
> >>
> >>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes June 3, 2020 at 8:14 AM
> >>> I am somewhat worried about getting used to them.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Chinese Red Death Flu

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Well-made progressives are awesome - you won't regret it.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’ve never encountered any issues with perception since I’ve been wearing
> them. Not sure if that’s more likely if the correction is for distance
> rather than close up.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 3, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's worth getting used to.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 8:01 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Kaleb Striplin
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu
> >
> > Now I’m starting to think I should have just stuck with single vision
> and got separate readers for up close
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Be sure to hang on to the handrails (or something else) where
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Re: [MBZ] Crackheads in Tempe AZ

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Half the value is in the descriptive essay.

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> https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/ctd/d/tempe-1992-mercedes-benz-300-series-4dr/7134963677.html
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[MBZ] Pretty '06 4-matic wagon on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Looks nice but it's in Wisconsin.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dichotomy

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes  writes:

> Back in March I heard they were paying $400 an hour.
> Was that wrong, or was that not for working on the NJ State Gov contract?

For goodness sake, COBOL is a simple programming language. My first job
out of college was with a big consulting firm in Chicago. They taught a
group of 20-30 new hires (many without much computer experience) how to
program in COBOL in about 4 weeks and then we were shipped out, sitting
at 3270 terminals at a client site. They had many groups of fresh
college graduates coming through this process every summer.

It's not hard to learn for anyone with a programming background. But for
$400 an hour I am surprised there are not enough people willing to learn
it. The problem with COBOL is that it, and the programming problems it
is used for, are boring. Most COBOL programs read records from one file,
do something to each record, and write them to another file. Or they
print a report. After a while, the challenges are gone. Nothing new or
innovative is happening in the COBOL world. So it becomes boring and
feels like a dead-end.

If they are really paying $400/hr and accept remote work, I might look
into it though.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, that's called nearsightedness, and it sounds like you've developed
some astigmatism as well. I can't read the big E, and can read without my
glasses. The correction for distant vision makes everything smaller, hence
even without the astigmatism correction, I see the smallest things better
without the glasses.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:20 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> My issue for the last nearly 20 years is I can see fine up close but far
> off is a blur like trying to read road signs or watch TV. Here lately I
> have noticed if I am reading my phone or some sort of very small print I
> can see fine at mid arms length but if it’s really small print that I have
> to bring close to my face to see it I can’t read it very well because it’s
> now blurry.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 3, 2020, at 11:16 AM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I tried "lineless" bifocals when it became that time, and could not get
> > used to them. I had little issue with the traditional bifocals, and now
> > trifocals. I also had trouble working on things up close, and the
> > optometrist made a set of what he called "computer glasses" that are
> > bifocals but with the entire upper area the medium distance lens and the
> > entire lower half is the close-up lens. This gives a much larger and
> higher
> > area where you can see close things. I use them mainly for welding and
> > mechanicing now.
> >
> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:49 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> When I started wearing glasses I went with progressives. They took a
> >> little getting used to, but once you get the hang of it they’re great, I
> >> think. I need them for close up stuff, like computer and reading.
> >>
> >> Where I have issues with them is when I’m working on cars - it can be
> >> tough to get your head in the right position to use the close up part,
> that
> >> is, be able to tilt your head back and see stuff really close up
> clearly,
> >> if that makes sense.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I ordered two pairs of glasses from Zenni, a single vision pair and a
> >> progressive lens pair.  Took two weeks, but they had titanium frames I
> like
> >> and the prices were very nice.
> >>>
> >>> It will take some time to get used to the progressive lens glasses.
> >> They are strange, but today is day three and I'm starting to get used to
> >> them.
> >>>
> >>> Max Dillon
> >>> Charleston SC
> >>>
> >>> Jun 2, 2020 5:29:12 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> >>>
>  Today I decided to call the eye doctor to see when I could get in.
> They
> >> just started opening back up and said it was my lucky day I could get
> in at
> >> 2:15. Went and did that of course they want you to wear masks. When I
> got
> >> back to see the doc he had me take it off. I’m now getting old and will
> he
> >> getting progressive lens this time. I then figured I would take
> advantage
> >> of the trip to town and was able to get in to get a hair cut also. Sign
> on
> >> door said wear mask but nobody in there was wearing them so I took mine
> >> off. Life is returning to normal.
> 
>  Tonight there are supposed be more riots.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

My issue for the last nearly 20 years is I can see fine up close but far off is 
a blur like trying to read road signs or watch TV. Here lately I have noticed 
if I am reading my phone or some sort of very small print I can see fine at mid 
arms length but if it’s really small print that I have to bring close to my 
face to see it I can’t read it very well because it’s now blurry. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 11:16 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I tried "lineless" bifocals when it became that time, and could not get
> used to them. I had little issue with the traditional bifocals, and now
> trifocals. I also had trouble working on things up close, and the
> optometrist made a set of what he called "computer glasses" that are
> bifocals but with the entire upper area the medium distance lens and the
> entire lower half is the close-up lens. This gives a much larger and higher
> area where you can see close things. I use them mainly for welding and
> mechanicing now.
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:49 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> When I started wearing glasses I went with progressives. They took a
>> little getting used to, but once you get the hang of it they’re great, I
>> think. I need them for close up stuff, like computer and reading.
>> 
>> Where I have issues with them is when I’m working on cars - it can be
>> tough to get your head in the right position to use the close up part, that
>> is, be able to tilt your head back and see stuff really close up clearly,
>> if that makes sense.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I ordered two pairs of glasses from Zenni, a single vision pair and a
>> progressive lens pair.  Took two weeks, but they had titanium frames I like
>> and the prices were very nice.
>>> 
>>> It will take some time to get used to the progressive lens glasses.
>> They are strange, but today is day three and I'm starting to get used to
>> them.
>>> 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> Jun 2, 2020 5:29:12 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
>>> 
 Today I decided to call the eye doctor to see when I could get in. They
>> just started opening back up and said it was my lucky day I could get in at
>> 2:15. Went and did that of course they want you to wear masks. When I got
>> back to see the doc he had me take it off. I’m now getting old and will he
>> getting progressive lens this time. I then figured I would take advantage
>> of the trip to town and was able to get in to get a hair cut also. Sign on
>> door said wear mask but nobody in there was wearing them so I took mine
>> off. Life is returning to normal.
 
 Tonight there are supposed be more riots.
 
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> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dichotomy

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Mitchell wrote:

> Back in March I heard they were paying $400 an hour.
> Was that wrong, or was that not for working on the NJ State Gov
> contract? Mitch.

Don't know.  When the plea went out "NJ needs COBOL programmers!"
I looked long enough and deep enough to see they were asking for
volunteers to help with the "major overload".  I stopped looking
then.

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I've found the trifocals to be perfect for both driving and flying - both
the distance and the instruments are in focus, with the line between at the
top edge of the dash. Love it.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 10:16 AM Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes <
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> On Wed, June 3, 2020 11:01 am, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Now I’m starting to think I should have just stuck with single vision
> > and got separate readers for up close
>
> When I finally let my doc write me for bifocals, I had him write 3 scripts
> for single vision, bifocals and reading glasses. Bought the single vision
> and two pair of internet readers. Biggest problem was in walking out of
> the office with reading glasses on and leaving my only pair of good
> glasses at work, when I didn't have a key to get back in.
>
> Now I mostly wear the bifocals, but during tax season I keep the single
> vision glasses in the car and a pair of readers in the desk. When I start
> work at 8am, I'm usually ready to switch to dedicated readers by 1pm, but
> a couple times this past winter I made it through a whole day on the
> bifocals.
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I tried "lineless" bifocals when it became that time, and could not get
used to them. I had little issue with the traditional bifocals, and now
trifocals. I also had trouble working on things up close, and the
optometrist made a set of what he called "computer glasses" that are
bifocals but with the entire upper area the medium distance lens and the
entire lower half is the close-up lens. This gives a much larger and higher
area where you can see close things. I use them mainly for welding and
mechanicing now.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:49 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I started wearing glasses I went with progressives. They took a
> little getting used to, but once you get the hang of it they’re great, I
> think. I need them for close up stuff, like computer and reading.
>
> Where I have issues with them is when I’m working on cars - it can be
> tough to get your head in the right position to use the close up part, that
> is, be able to tilt your head back and see stuff really close up clearly,
> if that makes sense.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I ordered two pairs of glasses from Zenni, a single vision pair and a
> progressive lens pair.  Took two weeks, but they had titanium frames I like
> and the prices were very nice.
> >
> > It will take some time to get used to the progressive lens glasses.
> They are strange, but today is day three and I'm starting to get used to
> them.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Jun 2, 2020 5:29:12 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> >
> >> Today I decided to call the eye doctor to see when I could get in. They
> just started opening back up and said it was my lucky day I could get in at
> 2:15. Went and did that of course they want you to wear masks. When I got
> back to see the doc he had me take it off. I’m now getting old and will he
> getting progressive lens this time. I then figured I would take advantage
> of the trip to town and was able to get in to get a hair cut also. Sign on
> door said wear mask but nobody in there was wearing them so I took mine
> off. Life is returning to normal.
> >>
> >> Tonight there are supposed be more riots.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dichotomy

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

And 240Ds

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wife is a former COBOL programmer from years (40?) ago. She’s in the midst 
> of a project converting systems over from COBOL environment. Lots of 
> resistance from the owners (COBOL people) even though most of them are on 
> their way out the door for retirement.
> 
> Atomic attack? COBOL and cockroaches.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> They only wanted folks who would work for free.  I checked.
>> 
>> Ah, the old "You're not worth keeping around.  Even though it turns out we 
>> need you desperately, you're still not worth paying."
>> 
>> Umm, no, thanks?  Maybe it's a Jersey thing.  I think I'll stick with the 
>> theme park!  (Also, I never learned COBOL.)
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dichotomy

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Wife is a former COBOL programmer from years (40?) ago. She’s in the midst of a 
project converting systems over from COBOL environment. Lots of resistance from 
the owners (COBOL people) even though most of them are on their way out the 
door for retirement.

Atomic attack? COBOL and cockroaches.

-D

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> They only wanted folks who would work for free.  I checked.
> 
> Ah, the old "You're not worth keeping around.  Even though it turns out we 
> need you desperately, you're still not worth paying."
> 
> Umm, no, thanks?  Maybe it's a Jersey thing.  I think I'll stick with the 
> theme park!  (Also, I never learned COBOL.)
> 
> -- Jim
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: RE: Chinese Red Death Flu

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Shortly after getting my first progressive lenses I had my first issues: First, 
I went on an amusement park ride with the kids. It involved spinning sideways, 
and the visual effect left me a bit nauseous. The second was worse. We were 
camping up in BC in our travel trailer, dodging forest fires as often happens 
in the PNW. We had trouble finding a spot, and I shoehorned the trailer into a 
short spot with the rear wheels right at the edge of the overhang of the RV 
pad. 

But I forgot the long step to the ground from the rear door, and misperceived 
the depth because of the new lenses. I cut a walking stick and limped the rest 
of the trip, and got some x-rays when we got back to civilization.

Greg

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I’ve never encountered any issues with perception since I’ve been wearing them. 
Not sure if that’s more likely if the correction is for distance rather than 
close up.

-D

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's worth getting used to.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb 
> Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 8:01 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Kaleb Striplin
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu
> 
> Now I’m starting to think I should have just stuck with single vision and got 
> separate readers for up close 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Be sure to hang on to the handrails (or something else) where available 
>> for the first year or so.
>> 
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes June 3, 2020 at 8:14 AM
>>> I am somewhat worried about getting used to them. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dichotomy

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

Back in March I heard they were paying $400 an hour.
Was that wrong, or was that not for working on the NJ State Gov contract?
Mitch.

On Wed, June 3, 2020 11:43 am, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> They only wanted folks who would work for free.  I checked.
>>
>
> Ah, the old "You're not worth keeping around.  Even though it turns out
> we need you desperately, you're still not worth paying."
>
> Umm, no, thanks?  Maybe it's a Jersey thing.  I think I'll stick with the
> theme park!  (Also, I never learned COBOL.)
>


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[MBZ] OT: Classic car dyno test

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

Mike and Sean Tucker put a 1948 Tucker on the dyno.
Love the paint color. 116hp at the wheels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMcIU4lGV68

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dichotomy

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> They only wanted folks who would work for free.  I checked.

Ah, the old "You're not worth keeping around.  Even though it turns out we need 
you desperately, you're still not worth paying."

Umm, no, thanks?  Maybe it's a Jersey thing.  I think I'll stick with the theme 
park!  (Also, I never learned COBOL.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Chinese Red Death Flu

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve never encountered any issues with perception since I’ve been wearing them. 
Not sure if that’s more likely if the correction is for distance rather than 
close up.

-D

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's worth getting used to.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb 
> Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 8:01 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Kaleb Striplin
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu
> 
> Now I’m starting to think I should have just stuck with single vision and got 
> separate readers for up close 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Be sure to hang on to the handrails (or something else) where available 
>> for the first year or so.
>> 
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes June 3, 2020 at 8:14 AM
>>> I am somewhat worried about getting used to them. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dichotomy

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Really? Ugh...
I was listening to the "Retro Computing Round Table" last night. This topic 
came up and they espoused that its not the systems themselves being bad that's 
the problem its that the people tasked with maintaining them were laid off 
years ago. Those systems have run for decades basically untouched.They also 
suggested that COBOL will be around for decades into the future, "COBOL will 
outlive all of us."
-Curt

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020, 11:05:00 AM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > Curt wrote:

>  Are you going to get a job working in COBOL for the state of
> New Jersey? ;) -Curt

They only wanted folks who would work for free.  I checked.

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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Chinese Red Death Flu

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

It's worth getting used to.

Greg

-Original Message-
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Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 8:01 AM
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Cc: Kaleb Striplin
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

Now I’m starting to think I should have just stuck with single vision and got 
separate readers for up close 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  Be sure to hang on to the handrails (or something else) where available for 
> the first year or so.
> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes June 3, 2020 at 8:14 AM
>> I am somewhat worried about getting used to them. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

On Wed, June 3, 2020 11:01 am, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Now I’m starting to think I should have just stuck with single vision
> and got separate readers for up close

When I finally let my doc write me for bifocals, I had him write 3 scripts
for single vision, bifocals and reading glasses. Bought the single vision
and two pair of internet readers. Biggest problem was in walking out of
the office with reading glasses on and leaving my only pair of good
glasses at work, when I didn't have a key to get back in.

Now I mostly wear the bifocals, but during tax season I keep the single
vision glasses in the car and a pair of readers in the desk. When I start
work at 8am, I'm usually ready to switch to dedicated readers by 1pm, but
a couple times this past winter I made it through a whole day on the
bifocals.

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I have 3 refraction progressive lenses  & have had them for years. Middle
range is for computer screen.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 11:01 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Now I’m starting to think I should have just stuck with single vision and
> got separate readers for up close
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Be sure to hang on to the handrails (or something else) where
> available for the first year or so.
> >
> >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes June 3, 2020 at 8:14 AM
> >> I am somewhat worried about getting used to them.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dichotomy

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

>  Are you going to get a job working in COBOL for the state of
> New Jersey? ;) -Curt

They only wanted folks who would work for free.  I checked.

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Now I’m starting to think I should have just stuck with single vision and got 
separate readers for up close 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  Be sure to hang on to the handrails (or something else) where available for 
> the first year or so.
> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes June 3, 2020 at 8:14 AM
>> I am somewhat worried about getting used to them. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dichotomy

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Are you going to get a job working in COBOL for the state of New Jersey? ;)

Let's see, COBOL in a chemical dump, or Pascal in a theme park... Decisions, 
decisions!

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Come steal my ex's car

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'm tempted, could fix up the smashed $500E300

https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/pts/d/myrtle-beach-2000-benz-e320-parts-no/7134934485.html

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[MBZ] Crackheads in Tempe AZ

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

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[MBZ] Crackish 83 Mercedes 300sd diesel - $3000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The wheels might be worth a fair amount

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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I am somewhat worried about getting used to them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I ordered two pairs of glasses from Zenni, a single vision pair and a 
> progressive lens pair.  Took two weeks, but they had titanium frames I like 
> and the prices were very nice.
> 
> It will take some time to get used to the progressive lens glasses.  They are 
> strange, but today is day three and I'm starting to get used to them.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Jun 2, 2020 5:29:12 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :
> 
>> Today I decided to call the eye doctor to see when I could get in. They just 
>> started opening back up and said it was my lucky day I could get in at 2:15. 
>> Went and did that of course they want you to wear masks. When I got back to 
>> see the doc he had me take it off. I’m now getting old and will he getting 
>> progressive lens this time. I then figured I would take advantage of the 
>> trip to town and was able to get in to get a hair cut also. Sign on door 
>> said wear mask but nobody in there was wearing them so I took mine off. Life 
>> is returning to normal.
>> 
>> Tonight there are supposed be more riots.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Chinese Red Death Flu

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yep. Be very careful too of walking, climbing stairs, uneven terrain as I find 
I have little peripheral vision to the lower quadrant. I’m always tripping over 
stuff as I’m not registering depth too well. I think that contributed to me 
breaking my leg, I did not have a good sense of the ground when I was playing 
ultimate and got tripped up. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When I started wearing glasses I went with progressives. They took a little 
> getting used to, but once you get the hang of it they’re great, I think. I 
> need them for close up stuff, like computer and reading.
> 
> Where I have issues with them is when I’m working on cars - it can be tough 
> to get your head in the right position to use the close up part, that is, be 
> able to tilt your head back and see stuff really close up clearly, if that 
> makes sense.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I ordered two pairs of glasses from Zenni, a single vision pair and a 
>> progressive lens pair.  Took two weeks, but they had titanium frames I like 
>> and the prices were very nice.
>> 
>> It will take some time to get used to the progressive lens glasses.  They 
>> are strange, but today is day three and I'm starting to get used to them.
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> Jun 2, 2020 5:29:12 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> Today I decided to call the eye doctor to see when I could get in. They 
>>> just started opening back up and said it was my lucky day I could get in at 
>>> 2:15. Went and did that of course they want you to wear masks. When I got 
>>> back to see the doc he had me take it off. I’m now getting old and will he 
>>> getting progressive lens this time. I then figured I would take advantage 
>>> of the trip to town and was able to get in to get a hair cut also. Sign on 
>>> door said wear mask but nobody in there was wearing them so I took mine 
>>> off. Life is returning to normal.
>>> 
>>> Tonight there are supposed be more riots.
>>> 
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