subject:"\[MBZ\] OT\: Is Amazon slow for everybody\?"

Euthanasia is more humane thanfreezing or starvation, IMO.  Good for him.

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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?
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> When I were a lad up in the great white North and we were entering the cold
> season my grandfather would take stray cats for a ride to the gravel pit and
> "give them their final taste of tuna" before a quick lead injection.It was 
> better
> than finding them in a snow bank come spring.
> 
> Curt
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>   On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Rick Knoble via
> Mercedes wrote:   Youth-in-Asia. Not Just For
> Pets!
> 
> Rick
>   Original Message
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 8:01 PM
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> 
> Dan, In addition to our four housecats, we are feeding 18 cats that were
> abandoned by some crappy neighbors. Those "people" abandoned their home
> after Social Services took their eight children. Don't feel sorry for them, 
> they
> defaulted on their USDA-guaranteed mortgage and they destroyed a nice
> house to the point it is no longer fit for human habitation. Many people and
> several churches tried to help them but you just can't help some people. It's 
> a
> long story but that's the short version. Scott ‎
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Actually, my first call was to Animal Control.  Animal Control told me they 
could do nothing without permission of the property owner (who was USDA in St. 
Louis after foreclosure).  To their credit, Animal Control did visit the place 
and verified that the abandoned house provided adequate shelter (access through 
missing windows panes in doors) so they did not consider it an animal abuse 
emergency. 

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> Youth-in-Asia. Not Just For Pets!
> 
> Rick
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> 
> Dan, In addition to our four housecats, we are feeding 18 cats that were
> abandoned by some crappy neighbors. Those "people" abandoned their home
> after Social Services took their eight children. Don't feel sorry for them, 
> they
> defaulted on their USDA-guaranteed mortgage and they destroyed a nice
> house to the point it is no longer fit for human habitation. Many people and
> several churches tried to help them but you just can't help some people. It's 
> a
> long story but that's the short version. Scott ‎
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-14 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

When I were a lad up in the great white North and we were entering the cold 
season my grandfather would take stray cats for a ride to the gravel pit and 
"give them their final taste of tuna" before a quick lead injection.It was 
better than finding them in a snow bank come spring.

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   Youth-in-Asia. Not Just For Pets!

Rick
  Original Message  
From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 8:01 PM


Dan, In addition to our four housecats, we are feeding 18 cats that were 
abandoned by some crappy neighbors. Those "people" abandoned their home after 
Social Services took their eight children. Don't feel sorry for them, they 
defaulted on their USDA-guaranteed mortgage and they destroyed a nice house to 
the point it is no longer fit for human habitation. Many people and several 
churches tried to help them but you just can't help some people. It's a long 
story but that's the short version. Scott
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-14 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

When I were a lad up in the great white North and we were entering the cold 
season my grandfather would take stray cats for a ride to the gravel pit and 
"give them their final taste of tuna" before a quick lead injection.It was 
better than finding them in a snow bank come spring.

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   Youth-in-Asia. Not Just For Pets!

Rick
  Original Message  
From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 8:01 PM


Dan, In addition to our four housecats, we are feeding 18 cats that were 
abandoned by some crappy neighbors. Those "people" abandoned their home after 
Social Services took their eight children. Don't feel sorry for them, they 
defaulted on their USDA-guaranteed mortgage and they destroyed a nice house to 
the point it is no longer fit for human habitation. Many people and several 
churches tried to help them but you just can't help some people. It's a long 
story but that's the short version. Scott
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-14 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Youth-in-Asia. Not Just For Pets!

Rick
  Original Message  
From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 8:01 PM


Dan, In addition to our four housecats, we are feeding 18 cats that were 
abandoned by some crappy neighbors. Those "people" abandoned their home after 
Social Services took their eight children. Don't feel sorry for them, they 
defaulted on their USDA-guaranteed mortgage and they destroyed a nice house to 
the point it is no longer fit for human habitation. Many people and several 
churches tried to help them but you just can't help some people. It's a long 
story but that's the short version. Scott
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Dan, In addition to our four housecats, we are feeding 18 cats that were 
abandoned by some crappy neighbors.  Those "people" abandoned their home after 
Social Services took their eight children.  Don't feel sorry for them, they 
defaulted on their USDA-guaranteed mortgage and they destroyed a nice house to 
the point it is no longer fit for human habitation.  Many people and several 
churches tried to help them but you just can't help some people.  It's a long 
story but that's the short version.  Scott

> -Original Message-
> From:  Dan--- via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 12:33 PM
>
> I don’t mean to pry, but could I ask what sort of menagerie you’re feeding to
> require 18 cases of car food a month?
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 14, 2017, at 12:24 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > I know there is a separate program for groceries but I currently get 18
> (heavy) cases of canned cat food a month, shipped free under the Prime
> program.  I don't see how they can be making money, but that's not my
> problem.  This month's shipment will be cheaper (per can) than the local
> Walmart, which is the cheapest local source.  The only downside is some
> damaged (split open) cans, like 1-2 per hundred.
> >

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-14 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On December 14, 2017 at 2:47 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Andrew, thanks for the tip. I'll check it out. Scott

One trick with Chewy is to wait for the '$15 off on your first $49 order' 
coupon to come in the mail and then set up an account there. 

I had a direct mail $15 coupon that expired Nov 30, and then Thanksgiving 
weekend they had a bunch of store brand 'American Journey' foods half off. I 
ended up getting 110lb of premium dry dog food for $47 after all coupons and 
discounts. Sometime around April or May I'll have to start paying real money 
for dog food again. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

He manages a feline petting zoo.

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> He's feeding Kleb's car menagerie
>
> ==FT
>
>
> On 12/14/17 12:32 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I don’t mean to pry, but could I ask what sort of menagerie you’re
>> feeding to require 18 cases of car food a month?
>>
>> -D
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-14 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


He's feeding Kleb's car menagerie

==FT


On 12/14/17 12:32 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I don’t mean to pry, but could I ask what sort of menagerie you’re feeding to 
require 18 cases of car food a month?

-D



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Andrew, thanks for the tip. I'll check it out. Scott

On Dec 14, 2017 10:18 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I buy all my cat supplies from www.chewy.com.  Great prices, mind boggling
> selection, and instant telephone or chat  customer service.  They also
> credited me twice for wet cat food that my resident landlord didn't like,
> or threw up.  Orders over $50 - including cat litter -- are shipped free.
> Can't say enough about these guys.
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 8:45 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > We lost Leo Brau's Pharmacy, 2 doors down, pretty quickly.   Leo had
> > celebrated his 16th birthday the year before.  (Feb 29) I didn't get any
> > details, but I think he had enough nest egg and he retired at 65 and took
> > social suckurity.   It was a loss, but he didn't let it suck him dry
> > first.  I never heard if the sam schmuck ever offered to buy anything.
> >
> > Dan--- via Mercedes 
> >> December 14, 2017 at 4:27 AM
> >> The people I spoke of were neighbors who owned one of two pharmacies in
> >> town. The other one wasn’t affected nearly as badly as they were, since
> it
> >> was one of three in rural towns in the area and it had a liquor license
> -
> >> something Dead Sam couldn’t get in WI.
> >>
> >> Anyway, one day a guy from Dead Sams walked in and tells them they have
> >> two choices - sell their customer data to Dead Sam, or don’t sell their
> >> customer data to Dead Sam. If they don’t he guaranteed they would be run
> >> out of business within a month or two of the store opening.
> >>
> >> They sold their customer data. In six months their place was no longer
> >> viable, mainly because the pharmacy was what drove the traffic into
> their
> >> business. No prescriptions, no customers. I don’t know the details, but
> >> what they got for the data they sold to Dead Sam was not a significant
> >> amount relative to the revenue the business generated.
> >>
> >> They tried to sell off what remained, but as you might expect it had
> >> little value at that point. We, along with other neighbors and friends,
> >> gave them money to make ends meet. He ended up going to work at a KMart
> >> pharmacy down in Milwaukee. I don’t know what, if anything, she ended up
> >> doing.
> >>
> >> The worst part wasn’t the financial damage that was done. It was seeing
> >> two really good, hard working people who contributed to the local
> community
> >> in so many ways lose their life’s work in a matter of months and have
> >> absolutely no control over the situation. Horribly demoralizing. I’m
> still
> >> very bitter about it.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
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> >> December 13, 2017 at 10:13 PM
> >> Similar experience for me.   Dead Sam, before he was dead, made the
> >> rounds of the square with his henchman.  The town,  (only 7500 people in
> >> the whole county)  had tried hard and was successful in landing the
> first
> >> wally warehouse outside arkieland.  When they came in our store, they
> just
> >> stood there and looked around.  Could not put us into a category.  They
> >> refused to talk to me, ignored my presence.  I was not impressed
> >> favorably.  To their credit, they went into the corner hardware store,
> >> talked with Buzz, the owner, and told him exactly what to do to stay in
> >> business.  (Dump the housewares, start servicing lawnmowers and small
> >> engines, etc.)  Last time I looked, Buzz was still in business 30 yrs
> >> later.  His wife quit the store and got a teaching license/job so they
> >> could have health ins.  That was a wise move, but I missed her being in
> the
> >> store.  There were a lot of changes around the square after the
> oversized
> >> wallyland opened.  Now the town square has stabilized again, and most of
> >> the stores are full.
> >>
> >> Several plants closed down right after the wallyland opened, about 1988.
> >> Worst was losing BlueBird Bus.  Another bean counter blunder.  It was
> their
> >> most productive plant, but the managers of the 2 less productive plants
> >> manipulated things to make themselves look better than they were.   It
> >> became clear to the bean counters after they closed the plant that they
> had
> >> been stupid.But now, there are several new plants that have opened,
> >> including West Liberty Foods (meats for subway, etc)  a big cold storage
> >> center, and a big anheiser busch distributor.  The town has recovered.
> >>
> >> All the crap we were fed about dead sam being a "regular guy" and
> driving
> >> the old pickup were just BS.  Dead Sam was an A$$hole.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-14 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

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Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:

> Gerry sez:
> 
> >‎Now on my way to install the master >cylinder which just arrived.
> 
> Good God. I hope to be as spry as you when I'm your age.
> 
> Rick
> Not feeling spry today
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-14 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

I don’t mean to pry, but could I ask what sort of menagerie you’re feeding to 
require 18 cases of car food a month?

-D

> On Dec 14, 2017, at 12:24 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know there is a separate program for groceries but I currently get 18 
> (heavy) cases of canned cat food a month, shipped free under the Prime 
> program.  I don't see how they can be making money, but that's not my 
> problem.  This month's shipment will be cheaper (per can) than the local 
> Walmart, which is the cheapest local source.  The only downside is some 
> damaged (split open) cans, like 1-2 per hundred.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  archer75--- via Mercedes
>> 
>> I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon billed 
>> my
>> credit card $100 for Prime without my permission. I don't go to the trouble 
>> of
>> trying to get my money back from these sorts of racketeers, so I'm thinking 
>> of
>> just ordering the heaviest possible items I normally buy at stores; probably
>> foodstuffs, canned good, oil, etc.
>> Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
>> Thanks,
>> Gerry
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-14 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I have heard from several people that if there is any problem with the 
order they tell you to donate it to a shelter or something, not bother 
to send it back, and send the right thing right away.  I think they 
recently got bought by Petco (?) but so far have not been screwed up by 
the beancounters.


-R


On 12/14/17 10:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I buy all my cat supplies from www.chewy.com.  Great prices, mind boggling
selection, and instant telephone or chat  customer service.  They also
credited me twice for wet cat food that my resident landlord didn't like,
or threw up.  Orders over $50 - including cat litter -- are shipped free.
Can't say enough about these guys.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-14 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

I buy all my cat supplies from www.chewy.com.  Great prices, mind boggling
selection, and instant telephone or chat  customer service.  They also
credited me twice for wet cat food that my resident landlord didn't like,
or threw up.  Orders over $50 - including cat litter -- are shipped free.
Can't say enough about these guys.

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 8:45 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We lost Leo Brau's Pharmacy, 2 doors down, pretty quickly.   Leo had
> celebrated his 16th birthday the year before.  (Feb 29) I didn't get any
> details, but I think he had enough nest egg and he retired at 65 and took
> social suckurity.   It was a loss, but he didn't let it suck him dry
> first.  I never heard if the sam schmuck ever offered to buy anything.
>
> Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> December 14, 2017 at 4:27 AM
>> The people I spoke of were neighbors who owned one of two pharmacies in
>> town. The other one wasn’t affected nearly as badly as they were, since it
>> was one of three in rural towns in the area and it had a liquor license -
>> something Dead Sam couldn’t get in WI.
>>
>> Anyway, one day a guy from Dead Sams walked in and tells them they have
>> two choices - sell their customer data to Dead Sam, or don’t sell their
>> customer data to Dead Sam. If they don’t he guaranteed they would be run
>> out of business within a month or two of the store opening.
>>
>> They sold their customer data. In six months their place was no longer
>> viable, mainly because the pharmacy was what drove the traffic into their
>> business. No prescriptions, no customers. I don’t know the details, but
>> what they got for the data they sold to Dead Sam was not a significant
>> amount relative to the revenue the business generated.
>>
>> They tried to sell off what remained, but as you might expect it had
>> little value at that point. We, along with other neighbors and friends,
>> gave them money to make ends meet. He ended up going to work at a KMart
>> pharmacy down in Milwaukee. I don’t know what, if anything, she ended up
>> doing.
>>
>> The worst part wasn’t the financial damage that was done. It was seeing
>> two really good, hard working people who contributed to the local community
>> in so many ways lose their life’s work in a matter of months and have
>> absolutely no control over the situation. Horribly demoralizing. I’m still
>> very bitter about it.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>>
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>> Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>> December 13, 2017 at 10:13 PM
>> Similar experience for me.   Dead Sam, before he was dead, made the
>> rounds of the square with his henchman.  The town,  (only 7500 people in
>> the whole county)  had tried hard and was successful in landing the first
>> wally warehouse outside arkieland.  When they came in our store, they just
>> stood there and looked around.  Could not put us into a category.  They
>> refused to talk to me, ignored my presence.  I was not impressed
>> favorably.  To their credit, they went into the corner hardware store,
>> talked with Buzz, the owner, and told him exactly what to do to stay in
>> business.  (Dump the housewares, start servicing lawnmowers and small
>> engines, etc.)  Last time I looked, Buzz was still in business 30 yrs
>> later.  His wife quit the store and got a teaching license/job so they
>> could have health ins.  That was a wise move, but I missed her being in the
>> store.  There were a lot of changes around the square after the oversized
>> wallyland opened.  Now the town square has stabilized again, and most of
>> the stores are full.
>>
>> Several plants closed down right after the wallyland opened, about 1988.
>> Worst was losing BlueBird Bus.  Another bean counter blunder.  It was their
>> most productive plant, but the managers of the 2 less productive plants
>> manipulated things to make themselves look better than they were.   It
>> became clear to the bean counters after they closed the plant that they had
>> been stupid.But now, there are several new plants that have opened,
>> including West Liberty Foods (meats for subway, etc)  a big cold storage
>> center, and a big anheiser busch distributor.  The town has recovered.
>>
>> All the crap we were fed about dead sam being a "regular guy" and driving
>> the old pickup were just BS.  Dead Sam was an A$$hole.
>>
>>
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>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 13, 2017 at 9:51 PM
>> Heh. I f

Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-14 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

We lost Leo Brau's Pharmacy, 2 doors down, pretty quickly.   Leo had 
celebrated his 16th birthday the year before.  (Feb 29) I didn't get any 
details, but I think he had enough nest egg and he retired at 65 and 
took social suckurity.   It was a loss, but he didn't let it suck him 
dry first.  I never heard if the sam schmuck ever offered to buy anything.



Dan--- via Mercedes 
December 14, 2017 at 4:27 AM
The people I spoke of were neighbors who owned one of two pharmacies 
in town. The other one wasn’t affected nearly as badly as they were, 
since it was one of three in rural towns in the area and it had a 
liquor license - something Dead Sam couldn’t get in WI.


Anyway, one day a guy from Dead Sams walked in and tells them they 
have two choices - sell their customer data to Dead Sam, or don’t sell 
their customer data to Dead Sam. If they don’t he guaranteed they 
would be run out of business within a month or two of the store opening.


They sold their customer data. In six months their place was no longer 
viable, mainly because the pharmacy was what drove the traffic into 
their business. No prescriptions, no customers. I don’t know the 
details, but what they got for the data they sold to Dead Sam was not 
a significant amount relative to the revenue the business generated.


They tried to sell off what remained, but as you might expect it had 
little value at that point. We, along with other neighbors and 
friends, gave them money to make ends meet. He ended up going to work 
at a KMart pharmacy down in Milwaukee. I don’t know what, if anything, 
she ended up doing.


The worst part wasn’t the financial damage that was done. It was 
seeing two really good, hard working people who contributed to the 
local community in so many ways lose their life’s work in a matter of 
months and have absolutely no control over the situation. Horribly 
demoralizing. I’m still very bitter about it.


-D



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Curley McLain via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 10:13 PM
Similar experience for me.   Dead Sam, before he was dead, made the 
rounds of the square with his henchman.  The town,  (only 7500 people 
in the whole county)  had tried hard and was successful in landing the 
first wally warehouse outside arkieland.  When they came in our store, 
they just stood there and looked around.  Could not put us into a 
category.  They refused to talk to me, ignored my presence.  I was not 
impressed favorably.  To their credit, they went into the corner 
hardware store, talked with Buzz, the owner, and told him exactly what 
to do to stay in business.  (Dump the housewares, start servicing 
lawnmowers and small engines, etc.)  Last time I looked, Buzz was 
still in business 30 yrs later.  His wife quit the store and got a 
teaching license/job so they could have health ins.  That was a wise 
move, but I missed her being in the store.  There were a lot of 
changes around the square after the oversized wallyland opened.  Now 
the town square has stabilized again, and most of the stores are full.


Several plants closed down right after the wallyland opened, about 
1988.  Worst was losing BlueBird Bus.  Another bean counter blunder.  
It was their most productive plant, but the managers of the 2 less 
productive plants manipulated things to make themselves look better 
than they were.   It became clear to the bean counters after they 
closed the plant that they had been stupid.But now, there are 
several new plants that have opened, including West Liberty Foods 
(meats for subway, etc)  a big cold storage center, and a big anheiser 
busch distributor.  The town has recovered.


All the crap we were fed about dead sam being a "regular guy" and 
driving the old pickup were just BS.  Dead Sam was an A$$hole.



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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 9:51 PM
Heh. I find it interesting when I grocery shop. I typically go very 
early on Sunday mornings so I have the place (WalMart) to myself. 
Despite the early hour, I still see potential entries for the “People 
of WalMart” blog. Ugh.


What’s even better is the stark contrast when I leave WalMart and go 
to Publix, which is pretty upscale here. The difference in the 
demographics is like night and day, sort of like the black and white 
to color transition in the Wizard of Oz….


I will never relax my hatred for WalMart. I saw them come into the 
small town I lived in in Wisconsin and destroy a very vibrant and 
valu

Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-14 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

The people I spoke of were neighbors who owned one of two pharmacies in town. 
The other one wasn’t affected nearly as badly as they were, since it was one of 
three in rural towns in the area and it had a liquor license - something Dead 
Sam couldn’t get in WI.

Anyway, one day a guy from Dead Sams walked in and tells them they have two 
choices - sell their customer data to Dead Sam, or don’t sell their customer 
data to Dead Sam. If they don’t he guaranteed they would be run out of business 
within a month or two of the store opening.

They sold their customer data.  In six months their place was no longer viable, 
mainly because the pharmacy was what drove the traffic into their business.  No 
prescriptions, no customers.  I don’t know the details, but what they got for 
the data they sold to Dead Sam was not a significant amount relative to the 
revenue the business generated.

They tried to sell off what remained, but as you might expect it had little 
value at that point.  We, along with other neighbors and friends, gave them 
money to make ends meet.  He ended up going to work at a KMart pharmacy down in 
Milwaukee. I don’t know what, if anything, she ended up doing.

The worst part wasn’t the financial damage that was done. It was seeing two 
really good, hard working people who contributed to the local community in so 
many ways lose their life’s work in a matter of months and have absolutely no 
control over the situation.  Horribly demoralizing.  I’m still very bitter 
about it.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 11:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Similar experience for me.   Dead Sam, before he was dead, made the rounds of 
> the square with his henchman.  The town,  (only 7500 people in the whole 
> county)  had tried hard and was successful in landing the first wally 
> warehouse outside arkieland.  When they came in our store, they just stood 
> there and looked around.  Could not put us into a category.  They refused to 
> talk to me, ignored my presence.  I was not impressed favorably.  To their 
> credit, they went into the corner hardware store, talked with Buzz, the 
> owner, and told him exactly what to do to stay in business.  (Dump the 
> housewares, start servicing lawnmowers and small engines, etc.)  Last time I 
> looked, Buzz was still in business 30 yrs later.  His wife quit the store and 
> got a teaching license/job so they could have health ins.  That was a wise 
> move, but I missed her being in the store.  There were a lot of changes 
> around the square after the oversized wallyland opened.  Now the town square 
> has stabilized again, and most of the stores are full.
> 
> Several plants closed down right after the wallyland opened, about 1988.  
> Worst was losing BlueBird Bus.  Another bean counter blunder.  It was their 
> most productive plant, but the managers of the 2 less productive plants 
> manipulated things to make themselves look better than they were.   It became 
> clear to the bean counters after they closed the plant that they had been 
> stupid.But now, there are several new plants that have opened, including 
> West Liberty Foods (meats for subway, etc)  a big cold storage center, and a 
> big anheiser busch distributor.  The town has recovered.
> 
> All the crap we were fed about dead sam being a "regular guy" and driving the 
> old pickup were just BS.  Dead Sam was an A$$hole.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 13, 2017 at 9:51 PM
>> Heh. I find it interesting when I grocery shop. I typically go very early on 
>> Sunday mornings so I have the place (WalMart) to myself. Despite the early 
>> hour, I still see potential entries for the “People of WalMart” blog. Ugh.
>> 
>> What’s even better is the stark contrast when I leave WalMart and go to 
>> Publix, which is pretty upscale here. The difference in the demographics is 
>> like night and day, sort

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?


Randy Bennell wrote:
> Why would the Prius not run on the big battery?

Gerry wrote:
I'm still learning the various systems catch as catch can, so I may be wrong on 
some systems:
The little battery, 12v, runs nearly everything but the electric A/C. It is 
charged by a large liquid cooled inverter (they call it a converter) that drops 
about 200v from the big battery down to 14v which charges the little 12v 
battery. Since the little battery runs the computers, the spark 
plugs,everything needed to run the ICE which charges the big battery, brake 
boost, steering assist, and various other things needed to actually drive the 
car; you can't turn the car off and then start it again if the little battery 
is dead or won't take enough of a charge from another cars battery via cables 
to start the car. 

 I would have thought you 
> could run around on the electric system and get the motor started up 
> while moving if the start battery gave up. I don't expect you mean you 
> went to FLAPS for the big battery to be replaced.

G: I thought the same thing when I was thinking about buying the car, but all 
you can do if the ICE quits is maybe limp at a very low speed to the next exit 
or until the big battery is drained which doesn't take long. 
I don't think the little battery will ever shut off the car such as in the 
middle of traffic while the converter is feeding voltage since the converter 
and the little battery are in parallel. As long as the car is "on" you could 
theoretically completely remove the little battery and the car should run 
indefinitely as long as you didn't shut it off, but I don't know if that would 
be possible. The car wasn't designed with any provision for switching from the 
ICE to battery. One reason is that the big battery is entirely different from 
the batteries that power the all electric cars.
P.S. New big batteries come from the dealers, but you can buy rebuilts for a 
little more than half price. New big batteries can last ten years or longer. 
Mine is ten years old and shows no sign of failing.   
> 
> Secondly, how did you know the master cylinder had gone out?

G: The pedal went half way down to the floor, there was no leaking brake fluid 
that I could see, and the reservoir was still full. Could I be wrong about 
that? Yep, sure could, but the MC is pretty old and probably wouldn't last much 
longer anyway, and I'd need expert help from the listers here to figure out 
what caused it other than the MC.

 On my 115 
> 300D, it went out a couple of years ago. I was at a stop light and the 
> car moved forward a bit. I thought I must not have had my foot on the 
> break pedal hard enough but then the light changed and off I went. At 
> the next light, I stepped on the pedal and the car slowed but not like 
> it should have. I initially thought I must have blown a hose and there 
> would be leaking fluid at one of the wheels but that proved not to be 
> the case. Seals in the master had started to leak and let fluid by. I 
> messed about getting a kit to repair it but gave up and ordered a new 
> one (or rebuilt - cannot recall for certain). No problems since.
> RB

G: AFAIK All cars nowadays have two circuits; one stops the front wheels and 
the other stops the back wheels. When one fails the pedal will go half way down 
and the car won't stop as well. I've forgotten how the master cylinder is 
designed to do that since I've just replaced the whole master cylinders for 
years.
Gerry
 
~~
> On 13/12/2017 2:34 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > Thanks, Rick. I'll keep that in mind. Could have used it a couple weeks ago 
> > when the Prius battery died, and then when I headed to the store to buy 
> > groceries, the brake master cylinder went out on the 240D. Managed to limp 
> > home but was without a car until I got the Prius started with a lawnmower 
> > battery and made it down to FLAPS for a new battery.
> > Now on my way to install the master cylinder which just arrived.
> > Gerry
> > 
> > On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:28:18 +
> > Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >> Gerry a‎sks:
> >>
> >>> ‎Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
> >> Yes. It's called "Prime Pantry" and they fill a giant box with your 
> >> "stuff". BTW, it's peak season for shippers. I try not to order anything 
> >> online for delivery between Thanksgiving and New Years day.
> >>
> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/pantry/info/ref=pntry_wayfind_about
> >>
> >> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

I know there is a separate program for groceries but I currently get 18 (heavy) 
cases of canned cat food a month, shipped free under the Prime program.  I 
don't see how they can be making money, but that's not my problem.  This 
month's shipment will be cheaper (per can) than the local Walmart, which is the 
cheapest local source.  The only downside is some damaged (split open) cans, 
like 1-2 per hundred.

> -Original Message-
> From:  archer75--- via Mercedes
> 
> I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon billed 
> my
> credit card $100 for Prime without my permission. I don't go to the trouble of
> trying to get my money back from these sorts of racketeers, so I'm thinking of
> just ordering the heaviest possible items I normally buy at stores; probably
> foodstuffs, canned good, oil, etc.
> Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
> Thanks,
> Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

They only lower the prices until they kill off the local stores.  Then 
the prices go WAY up!  There are few bargains at wallyland.


Before wally, I saw the chain grocery stores do the same thing.  Sell at 
a loss until the competition gives up, then the prices go WAY up!  Where 
you used to have 2-3 choices, or even 4 or 5, now there is one store 
with high prices, or drive 20 to 60 or 100 miles to get another choice.


It is part of my dislike for Jeffturd also.  He is doing the same thing, 
only with more sophisticated computing.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 9:54 PM
I can tell you the town I live it had a Walmart. From what I hear 
there were lots of businesses here before. Most of the died then 
Walmart pulled out when they decided to build a super center the next 
town over. Now there is nothing much here now.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Similar experience for me.   Dead Sam, before he was dead, made the 
rounds of the square with his henchman.  The town,  (only 7500 people in 
the whole county)  had tried hard and was successful in landing the 
first wally warehouse outside arkieland.  When they came in our store, 
they just stood there and looked around.  Could not put us into a 
category.  They refused to talk to me, ignored my presence.  I was not 
impressed favorably.  To their credit, they went into the corner 
hardware store, talked with Buzz, the owner, and told him exactly what 
to do to stay in business.  (Dump the housewares, start servicing 
lawnmowers and small engines, etc.)  Last time I looked, Buzz was still 
in business 30 yrs later.  His wife quit the store and got a teaching 
license/job so they could have health ins.  That was a wise move, but I 
missed her being in the store.  There were a lot of changes around the 
square after the oversized wallyland opened.  Now the town square has 
stabilized again, and most of the stores are full.


Several plants closed down right after the wallyland opened, about 
1988.  Worst was losing BlueBird Bus.  Another bean counter blunder.  It 
was their most productive plant, but the managers of the 2 less 
productive plants manipulated things to make themselves look better than 
they were.   It became clear to the bean counters after they closed the 
plant that they had been stupid.But now, there are several new 
plants that have opened, including West Liberty Foods (meats for subway, 
etc)  a big cold storage center, and a big anheiser busch distributor.  
The town has recovered.


All the crap we were fed about dead sam being a "regular guy" and 
driving the old pickup were just BS.  Dead Sam was an A$$hole.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 9:51 PM
Heh. I find it interesting when I grocery shop. I typically go very 
early on Sunday mornings so I have the place (WalMart) to myself. 
Despite the early hour, I still see potential entries for the “People 
of WalMart” blog. Ugh.


What’s even better is the stark contrast when I leave WalMart and go 
to Publix, which is pretty upscale here. The difference in the 
demographics is like night and day, sort of like the black and white 
to color transition in the Wizard of Oz….


I will never relax my hatred for WalMart. I saw them come into the 
small town I lived in in Wisconsin and destroy a very vibrant and 
valued downtown of privately owned merchants. I knew a couple of those 
business owners, and I saw what WalMart’s presence did to them. For 
one in particular, it destroyed their livelihood and what would have 
provided them a comfortable retirement. Instead, they were nearly 
destitute and bordered on needing public assistance a year later. I 
know this because I saw it happen, and I also contributed heavily to 
helping these people in the aftermath. I am very, very bitter about 
this and will likely never give in. Imagine having a business you 
committed 40-50 years of your life to practically vaporize in a few 
months because some corporate behemoth with resources so far beyond 
what you could ever muster shows up and runs you out of business. 
Bastards.


Last time I was in Sears was at least 10 years ago. It was alien to 
me, mainly because the demographic they were targeting was clearly not 
me. At least the Sears near me wasn’t - I say that because all of the 
signs were in Spanish with English below - the opposite of what you 
might see at any other major retailer. None of the people (clientele) 
in the store looked like me, either. It was really, really weird. I’ve 
never gone back.


-D




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Curley McLain via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 3:32 PM
I understand your dislike for the  el mercado de wal.  I used to 
dislike them as much, and was ambivalent about the river of big 
women.  However, this the gaming (and the prices) by the Jeffturd crew 
has gotten worse, while the mercado de wall now allows third party 
vendors, and in many cases, the stuff can be delivered to the local 
store free.  I see the dead sam crew becoming more customer friendly 
at the same time jeffturd crew has become more spiteful toward its 
customers.


I dislike both, but it is getting to the point where i'd rather buy 
from dead sam than jeffturd.



Up yours, Dead Sam!
Up yours, Jeffturd!

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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 1:27 PM
It’s definitely a game, and the t

Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

I can tell you the town I live it had a Walmart. From what I hear there were 
lots of businesses here before. Most of the died then Walmart pulled out when 
they decided to build a super center the next town over. Now there is nothing 
much here now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 9:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Heh.  I find it interesting when I grocery shop.  I typically go very early 
> on Sunday mornings so I have the place (WalMart) to myself.  Despite the 
> early hour, I still see potential entries for the “People of WalMart” blog.  
> Ugh.
> 
> What’s even better is the stark contrast when I leave WalMart and go to 
> Publix, which is pretty upscale here.  The difference in the demographics is 
> like night and day, sort of like the black and white to color transition in 
> the Wizard of Oz….
> 
> I will never relax my hatred for WalMart.  I saw them come into the small 
> town I lived in in Wisconsin and destroy a very vibrant and valued downtown 
> of privately owned merchants.  I knew a couple of those business owners, and 
> I saw what WalMart’s presence did to them.  For one in particular, it 
> destroyed their livelihood and what would have provided them a comfortable 
> retirement.  Instead, they were nearly destitute and bordered on needing 
> public assistance a year later.  I know this because I saw it happen, and I 
> also contributed heavily to helping these people in the aftermath.  I am 
> very, very bitter about this and will likely never give in.  Imagine having a 
> business you committed 40-50 years of your life to practically vaporize in a 
> few months because some corporate behemoth with resources so far beyond what 
> you could ever muster shows up and runs you out of business.  Bastards.
> 
> Last time I was in Sears was at least 10 years ago.  It was alien to me, 
> mainly because the demographic they were targeting was clearly not me.  At 
> least the Sears near me wasn’t - I say that because all of the signs were in 
> Spanish with English below - the opposite of what you might see at any other 
> major retailer.  None of the people (clientele) in the store looked like me, 
> either.  It was really, really weird.  I’ve never gone back.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I actually relaxed my hated for Wal-Mart some when I realized it was 
>> actually the Wal-Martians I hated, not the place itself.My local WM closes 
>> at 10pm so I if I need something I aim to get there at 9:30 when its mostly 
>> empty. 
>> I'm surprised recently to find more "Made in USA" stuff there, in particular 
>> I've been buying Allen soft gun cases, they're cheaper than Amazon and "Made 
>> in USA" as opposed to "Made in China" from Amazon...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>>   On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 4:33:03 PM EST, Curley McLain via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:  
>> 
>> I understand your dislike for the  el mercado de wal.  I used to dislike 
>> them as much, and was ambivalent about the river of big women.  However, 
>> this the gaming (and the prices) by the Jeffturd crew has gotten worse, 
>> while the mercado de wall now allows third party vendors, and in many 
>> cases, the stuff can be delivered to the local store free.  I see the 
>> dead sam crew becoming more customer friendly at the same time jeffturd 
>> crew has become more spiteful toward its customers.
>> 
>> I dislike both, but it is getting to the point where i'd rather buy from 
>> dead sam than jeffturd.
>> 
>> 
>> Up yours, Dead Sam!
>> Up yours, Jeffturd!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Heh.  I find it interesting when I grocery shop.  I typically go very early on 
Sunday mornings so I have the place (WalMart) to myself.  Despite the early 
hour, I still see potential entries for the “People of WalMart” blog.  Ugh.

What’s even better is the stark contrast when I leave WalMart and go to Publix, 
which is pretty upscale here.  The difference in the demographics is like night 
and day, sort of like the black and white to color transition in the Wizard of 
Oz….

I will never relax my hatred for WalMart.  I saw them come into the small town 
I lived in in Wisconsin and destroy a very vibrant and valued downtown of 
privately owned merchants.  I knew a couple of those business owners, and I saw 
what WalMart’s presence did to them.  For one in particular, it destroyed their 
livelihood and what would have provided them a comfortable retirement.  
Instead, they were nearly destitute and bordered on needing public assistance a 
year later.  I know this because I saw it happen, and I also contributed 
heavily to helping these people in the aftermath.  I am very, very bitter about 
this and will likely never give in.  Imagine having a business you committed 
40-50 years of your life to practically vaporize in a few months because some 
corporate behemoth with resources so far beyond what you could ever muster 
shows up and runs you out of business.  Bastards.

Last time I was in Sears was at least 10 years ago.  It was alien to me, mainly 
because the demographic they were targeting was clearly not me.  At least the 
Sears near me wasn’t - I say that because all of the signs were in Spanish with 
English below - the opposite of what you might see at any other major retailer. 
 None of the people (clientele) in the store looked like me, either.  It was 
really, really weird.  I’ve never gone back.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I actually relaxed my hated for Wal-Mart some when I realized it was actually 
> the Wal-Martians I hated, not the place itself.My local WM closes at 10pm so 
> I if I need something I aim to get there at 9:30 when its mostly empty. 
> I'm surprised recently to find more "Made in USA" stuff there, in particular 
> I've been buying Allen soft gun cases, they're cheaper than Amazon and "Made 
> in USA" as opposed to "Made in China" from Amazon...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 4:33:03 PM EST, Curley McLain via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
> I understand your dislike for the  el mercado de wal.  I used to dislike 
> them as much, and was ambivalent about the river of big women.  However, 
> this the gaming (and the prices) by the Jeffturd crew has gotten worse, 
> while the mercado de wall now allows third party vendors, and in many 
> cases, the stuff can be delivered to the local store free.  I see the 
> dead sam crew becoming more customer friendly at the same time jeffturd 
> crew has become more spiteful toward its customers.
> 
> I dislike both, but it is getting to the point where i'd rather buy from 
> dead sam than jeffturd.
> 
> 
> Up yours, Dead Sam!
> Up yours, Jeffturd!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

That is nobody's fault but the snears beancounters.  It is what happens 
when beancounters call the shots.   "Gee, lots of people who don't have 
a snears store can buy at their catalog store.  Lets dump the catalog 
stores without reason or recompense!  That will [artificially] boost our 
profit this quarter.  ..."   As an example from 20-30 years ago.  Snears 
has been in slow suicide for over 50 years.  I don't mourn snears, as 
they committed suicide.  They were not driven out of business.


Between TrueValue and Ace Hardware, and smaller online sellers, i've 
done very well without snears.  Monkey Ward committed a much faster 
suicide, but their holdings were not as vast.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 3:58 PM

And the stores that you used to shop at disappear.
Sears is gone in Canada and likely soon will be in the USA.

RB
Up yours, Dead Sam!
Up yours, Jeffturd!


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

> On December 13, 2017 at 5:06 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Why would the Prius not run on the big battery? 

I don't know about the Prius, but a Spark EV will refuse to power up if the 12v 
battery is dead. 
Don't ask me why it doesn't just use the 360v to 12v onboard charger to make 
12v. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Why would the Prius not run on the big battery? I would have thought you
could run around on the electric system and get the motor started up
while moving if the start battery gave up. I don't expect you mean you
went to FLAPS for the big battery to be replaced.

Secondly, how did you know the master cylinder had gone out? On my 115
300D, it went out a couple of years ago. I was at a stop light and the
car moved forward a bit. I thought I must not have had my foot on the
break pedal hard enough but then the light changed and off I went. At
the next light, I stepped on the pedal and the car slowed but not like
it should have. I initially thought I must have blown a hose and there
would be leaking fluid at one of the wheels but that proved not to be
the case. Seals in the master had started to leak and let fluid by. I
messed about getting a kit to repair it but gave up and ordered a new
one (or rebuilt - cannot recall for certain). No problems since.

On 13/12/2017 2:34 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks, Rick. I'll keep that in mind. Could have used it a couple weeks ago
when the Prius battery died, and then when I headed to the store to buy
groceries, the brake master cylinder went out on the 240D. Managed to limp home
but was without a car until I got the Prius started with a lawnmower battery
and made it down to FLAPS for a new battery.
Now on my way to install the master cylinder which just arrived.
Gerry

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:28:18 +
Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Gerry a‎sks:

‎Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?

Yes. It's called "Prime Pantry" and they fill a giant box with your "stuff".
BTW, it's peak season for shippers. I try not to order anything online for delivery between
Thanksgiving and New Years day.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/pantry/info/ref=pntry_wayfind_about

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Sears screwed themselves 30 years ago when they got rid of any employee that 
was competent.  They got by on tools for a long time, then started shipping 
that business out to China and lowering the quality standards.There is 
basically nothing for me to buy at Sears, its all garbage and nobody there 
would wait on me anyway. I feel bad that a stalwart is going out of business 
but I quit going there after I stood for 10 minutes with a wrench set in my 
hand and nobody could be bothered to take my money...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 4:58:34 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
And the stores that you used to shop at disappear.
Sears is gone in Canada and likely soon will be in the USA.

RB

On 13/12/2017 3:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> The Amazon Walmart seesaw.  As Amazon goes down, WM goes up.
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I actually relaxed my hated for Wal-Mart some when I realized it was
>> actually the Wal-Martians I hated, not the place itself.My local WM closes
>> at 10pm so I if I need something I aim to get there at 9:30 when its mostly
>> empty.
>> I'm surprised recently to find more "Made in USA" stuff there, in
>> particular I've been buying Allen soft gun cases, they're cheaper than
>> Amazon and "Made in USA" as opposed to "Made in China" from Amazon...
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>>      On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 4:33:03 PM EST, Curley McLain via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>
>>  I understand your dislike for the  el mercado de wal.  I used to dislike
>> them as much, and was ambivalent about the river of big women.  However,
>> this the gaming (and the prices) by the Jeffturd crew has gotten worse,
>> while the mercado de wall now allows third party vendors, and in many
>> cases, the stuff can be delivered to the local store free.  I see the
>> dead sam crew becoming more customer friendly at the same time jeffturd
>> crew has become more spiteful toward its customers.
>>
>> I dislike both, but it is getting to the point where i'd rather buy from
>> dead sam than jeffturd.
>>
>>
>> Up yours, Dead Sam!
>> Up yours, Jeffturd!
>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> December 13, 2017 at 1:27 PM
>>> It’s definitely a game, and the target is constantly moving. Their
>>> algorithms are constantly trying to “catch” you from what I’ve
>>> experienced.
>>>
>>> It makes me wonder how successful they are at this sort of thing, as
>>> it must be working on a portion of their clientele or they wouldn’t do
>> it.
>>> Is this ethical? Sure it is. But they’re using behavioral analysis and
>>> data gathered from your activities to try and get you to spend more
>>> money, or allow them to make a higher profit margin. They’re trying to
>>> game you based on the information they collect.
>>>
>>> That’s exactly the reason why I put my phone in airplane mode when I
>>> go into WalMart - they’re tapping my phone to see where i go, for how
>>> long, and what I buy. If I can keep that information out of their data
>>> stores, they can’t game me. Plus, I hate WalMart with a passion. Same
>>> reason why anything I buy there I run my debit card as a credit. That
>>> way it costs them more to process the transaction.
>>>
>>> Up yours, Dead Sam!
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes



And the stores that you used to shop at disappear.
Sears is gone in Canada and likely soon will be in the USA.

RB

On 13/12/2017 3:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

The Amazon Walmart seesaw.  As Amazon goes down, WM goes up.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I actually relaxed my hated for Wal-Mart some when I realized it was
actually the Wal-Martians I hated, not the place itself.My local WM closes
at 10pm so I if I need something I aim to get there at 9:30 when its mostly
empty.
I'm surprised recently to find more "Made in USA" stuff there, in
particular I've been buying Allen soft gun cases, they're cheaper than
Amazon and "Made in USA" as opposed to "Made in China" from Amazon...
-Curt


 On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 4:33:03 PM EST, Curley McLain via
Mercedes  wrote:

  I understand your dislike for the  el mercado de wal.  I used to dislike
them as much, and was ambivalent about the river of big women.  However,
this the gaming (and the prices) by the Jeffturd crew has gotten worse,
while the mercado de wall now allows third party vendors, and in many
cases, the stuff can be delivered to the local store free.  I see the
dead sam crew becoming more customer friendly at the same time jeffturd
crew has become more spiteful toward its customers.

I dislike both, but it is getting to the point where i'd rather buy from
dead sam than jeffturd.


Up yours, Dead Sam!
Up yours, Jeffturd!

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 1:27 PM
It’s definitely a game, and the target is constantly moving. Their
algorithms are constantly trying to “catch” you from what I’ve
experienced.

It makes me wonder how successful they are at this sort of thing, as
it must be working on a portion of their clientele or they wouldn’t do

it.

Is this ethical? Sure it is. But they’re using behavioral analysis and
data gathered from your activities to try and get you to spend more
money, or allow them to make a higher profit margin. They’re trying to
game you based on the information they collect.

That’s exactly the reason why I put my phone in airplane mode when I
go into WalMart - they’re tapping my phone to see where i go, for how
long, and what I buy. If I can keep that information out of their data
stores, they can’t game me. Plus, I hate WalMart with a passion. Same
reason why anything I buy there I run my debit card as a credit. That
way it costs them more to process the transaction.

Up yours, Dead Sam!

-D




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

The Amazon Walmart seesaw.  As Amazon goes down, WM goes up.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I actually relaxed my hated for Wal-Mart some when I realized it was
> actually the Wal-Martians I hated, not the place itself.My local WM closes
> at 10pm so I if I need something I aim to get there at 9:30 when its mostly
> empty.
> I'm surprised recently to find more "Made in USA" stuff there, in
> particular I've been buying Allen soft gun cases, they're cheaper than
> Amazon and "Made in USA" as opposed to "Made in China" from Amazon...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 4:33:03 PM EST, Curley McLain via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  I understand your dislike for the  el mercado de wal.  I used to dislike
> them as much, and was ambivalent about the river of big women.  However,
> this the gaming (and the prices) by the Jeffturd crew has gotten worse,
> while the mercado de wall now allows third party vendors, and in many
> cases, the stuff can be delivered to the local store free.  I see the
> dead sam crew becoming more customer friendly at the same time jeffturd
> crew has become more spiteful toward its customers.
>
> I dislike both, but it is getting to the point where i'd rather buy from
> dead sam than jeffturd.
>
>
> Up yours, Dead Sam!
> Up yours, Jeffturd!
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > December 13, 2017 at 1:27 PM
> > It’s definitely a game, and the target is constantly moving. Their
> > algorithms are constantly trying to “catch” you from what I’ve
> > experienced.
> >
> > It makes me wonder how successful they are at this sort of thing, as
> > it must be working on a portion of their clientele or they wouldn’t do
> it.
> >
> > Is this ethical? Sure it is. But they’re using behavioral analysis and
> > data gathered from your activities to try and get you to spend more
> > money, or allow them to make a higher profit margin. They’re trying to
> > game you based on the information they collect.
> >
> > That’s exactly the reason why I put my phone in airplane mode when I
> > go into WalMart - they’re tapping my phone to see where i go, for how
> > long, and what I buy. If I can keep that information out of their data
> > stores, they can’t game me. Plus, I hate WalMart with a passion. Same
> > reason why anything I buy there I run my debit card as a credit. That
> > way it costs them more to process the transaction.
> >
> > Up yours, Dead Sam!
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

I actually relaxed my hated for Wal-Mart some when I realized it was actually 
the Wal-Martians I hated, not the place itself.My local WM closes at 10pm so I 
if I need something I aim to get there at 9:30 when its mostly empty. 
I'm surprised recently to find more "Made in USA" stuff there, in particular 
I've been buying Allen soft gun cases, they're cheaper than Amazon and "Made in 
USA" as opposed to "Made in China" from Amazon...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 4:33:03 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I understand your dislike for the  el mercado de wal.  I used to dislike 
them as much, and was ambivalent about the river of big women.  However, 
this the gaming (and the prices) by the Jeffturd crew has gotten worse, 
while the mercado de wall now allows third party vendors, and in many 
cases, the stuff can be delivered to the local store free.  I see the 
dead sam crew becoming more customer friendly at the same time jeffturd 
crew has become more spiteful toward its customers.

I dislike both, but it is getting to the point where i'd rather buy from 
dead sam than jeffturd.


Up yours, Dead Sam!
Up yours, Jeffturd!
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> December 13, 2017 at 1:27 PM
> It’s definitely a game, and the target is constantly moving. Their 
> algorithms are constantly trying to “catch” you from what I’ve 
> experienced.
>
> It makes me wonder how successful they are at this sort of thing, as 
> it must be working on a portion of their clientele or they wouldn’t do it.
>
> Is this ethical? Sure it is. But they’re using behavioral analysis and 
> data gathered from your activities to try and get you to spend more 
> money, or allow them to make a higher profit margin. They’re trying to 
> game you based on the information they collect.
>
> That’s exactly the reason why I put my phone in airplane mode when I 
> go into WalMart - they’re tapping my phone to see where i go, for how 
> long, and what I buy. If I can keep that information out of their data 
> stores, they can’t game me. Plus, I hate WalMart with a passion. Same 
> reason why anything I buy there I run my debit card as a credit. That 
> way it costs them more to process the transaction.
>
> Up yours, Dead Sam!
>
> -D
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

I understand your dislike for the  el mercado de wal.  I used to dislike 
them as much, and was ambivalent about the river of big women.  However, 
this the gaming (and the prices) by the Jeffturd crew has gotten worse, 
while the mercado de wall now allows third party vendors, and in many 
cases, the stuff can be delivered to the local store free.  I see the 
dead sam crew becoming more customer friendly at the same time jeffturd 
crew has become more spiteful toward its customers.


I dislike both, but it is getting to the point where i'd rather buy from 
dead sam than jeffturd.



Up yours, Dead Sam!
Up yours, Jeffturd!

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 1:27 PM
It’s definitely a game, and the target is constantly moving. Their 
algorithms are constantly trying to “catch” you from what I’ve 
experienced.


It makes me wonder how successful they are at this sort of thing, as 
it must be working on a portion of their clientele or they wouldn’t do it.


Is this ethical? Sure it is. But they’re using behavioral analysis and 
data gathered from your activities to try and get you to spend more 
money, or allow them to make a higher profit margin. They’re trying to 
game you based on the information they collect.


That’s exactly the reason why I put my phone in airplane mode when I 
go into WalMart - they’re tapping my phone to see where i go, for how 
long, and what I buy. If I can keep that information out of their data 
stores, they can’t game me. Plus, I hate WalMart with a passion. Same 
reason why anything I buy there I run my debit card as a credit. That 
way it costs them more to process the transaction.


Up yours, Dead Sam!

-D





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-13 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Gerry sez:

>‎Now on my way to install the master >cylinder which just arrived.

Good God. I hope to be as spry as you when I'm your age.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Thanks, Rick. I'll keep that in mind. Could have used it a couple weeks ago 
when the Prius battery died, and then when I headed to the store to buy 
groceries, the brake master cylinder went out on the 240D. Managed to limp home 
but was without a car until I got the Prius started with a lawnmower battery 
and made it down to FLAPS for a new battery.
Now on my way to install the master cylinder which just arrived.
Gerry

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:28:18 +
Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:

> Gerry a‎sks:
> 
> >‎Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
> 
> Yes. It's called "Prime Pantry" and they fill a giant box with your "stuff". 
> BTW, it's peak season for shippers. I try not to order anything online for 
> delivery between Thanksgiving and New Years day.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/pantry/info/ref=pntry_wayfind_about
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-13 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes

My understanding has always been that the business has to pay the extra three 
percent or so processing charge whether it was a debit or a credit card 
transaction, and that the only way this could be avoided is to pay in  cash. 
This is how it is at my local hobby shop since he always encourages us to make 
our bigger purchases in cash rather than credit or debit cards.
Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 

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> On Dec 13, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It’s definitely a game, and the target is constantly moving.  Their 
> algorithms are constantly trying to “catch” you from what I’ve experienced.
> 
> It makes me wonder how successful they are at this sort of thing, as it must 
> be working on a portion of their clientele or they wouldn’t do it.
> 
> Is this ethical?  Sure it is.  But they’re using behavioral analysis and data 
> gathered from your activities to try and get you to spend more money, or 
> allow them to make a higher profit margin.  They’re trying to game you based 
> on the information they collect.
> 
> That’s exactly the reason why I put my phone in airplane mode when I go into 
> WalMart - they’re tapping my phone to see where i go, for how long, and what 
> I buy.  If I can keep that information out of their data stores, they can’t 
> game me.  Plus, I hate WalMart with a passion.  Same reason why anything I 
> buy there I run my debit card as a credit.  That way it costs them more to 
> process the transaction.
> 
> Up yours, Dead Sam!
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On December 13, 2017 at 1:56 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good strategies!
>>> 
>>> Another one that has occasionally worked for me is to go to the 
>>> manufacturer's or vendor's (that Amazon is reselling) website directly. 
>>> Sometimes you will find a better deal that way, especially of you also do a 
>>> search for a discount code.
>> 
>> Yes, if the best seller on Amazon for your mower blades is MowTownUSA, see 
>> if they have a web page. And when you see it for twice the price on their 
>> own web page, don't be surprised when you go to order another set for spares 
>> 4 days later and find that MowTown has changed their Amazon price since you 
>> ordered. Sometimes when the lowest price is from a reliable seller, you 
>> can't rely on the price to stay the lowest. 
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

 archer wrote:
> > I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon 
> > billed my credit card $100 for Prime without my permission. 
> 
> I would have assumed they'd charge you 10.99/month, unless you specified $100 
> per year. 
> When you take the trial, you need to cancel before the trial end date. 
> When you cancel, it'll say what day your trial ends, you still have the full 
> 30 days free.
> But you can only do one trial a year. 
> 
> If they charge you, you can cancel and get a refund, probably full refund if 
> you haven't used any Prime services since the charge.
> Mitch 

Thanks. I cancelled and the refund will be a credit to my acct.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Thanks. I'll have to start reading the fine print.
Gerry 
~
Dan Penoff wrote:
> Gerry,
> I would respectfully disagree.
> 
> When you signed up for Prime, there is a very clearly stated disclaimer that 
> says if you don’t cancel at the end of the 30 day period, you give them 
> permission to charge your credit card. Also:
> 
> Membership Cancellation
> You may cancel your Prime membership any time by visiting Your Account and 
> adjusting your membership settings. If you cancel within 3 business days of 
> signing up for or converting from a free trial to a paid membership, we will 
> refund your full membership fee; provided that we may charge you (or withhold 
> from your refund) the value of Prime benefits used by you and your account 
> during this 3-business day period. If you cancel at any other time, we will 
> refund your full membership fee only if you and your account did not make any 
> eligible purchases or take advantage of Prime benefits since your latest 
> Prime membership charge. Prime memberships redeemed through a Prime gift code 
> or promotional code are not refundable.
> 
>  <>
> This also says that if you don’t use the Prime membership and you decide to 
> cancel, you can do so at any time and receive a refund.
> 
> Gotta read the fine print, buddy.  They aren’t out to scam people.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Dec 13, 2017, at 10:46 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon 
> > billed my credit card $100 for Prime without my permission. I don't go to 
> > the trouble of trying to get my money back from these sorts of racketeers, 
> > so I'm thinking of just ordering the heaviest possible items I normally buy 
> > at stores; probably foodstuffs, canned good, oil, etc.
> > Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
> > Thanks,
> > Gerry
> > ~~

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

It’s definitely a game, and the target is constantly moving.  Their algorithms 
are constantly trying to “catch” you from what I’ve experienced.

It makes me wonder how successful they are at this sort of thing, as it must be 
working on a portion of their clientele or they wouldn’t do it.

Is this ethical?  Sure it is.  But they’re using behavioral analysis and data 
gathered from your activities to try and get you to spend more money, or allow 
them to make a higher profit margin.  They’re trying to game you based on the 
information they collect.

That’s exactly the reason why I put my phone in airplane mode when I go into 
WalMart - they’re tapping my phone to see where i go, for how long, and what I 
buy.  If I can keep that information out of their data stores, they can’t game 
me.  Plus, I hate WalMart with a passion.  Same reason why anything I buy there 
I run my debit card as a credit.  That way it costs them more to process the 
transaction.

Up yours, Dead Sam!

-D

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On December 13, 2017 at 1:56 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Good strategies!
>> 
>> Another one that has occasionally worked for me is to go to the 
>> manufacturer's or vendor's (that Amazon is reselling) website directly. 
>> Sometimes you will find a better deal that way, especially of you also do a 
>> search for a discount code.
> 
> Yes, if the best seller on Amazon for your mower blades is MowTownUSA, see if 
> they have a web page. And when you see it for twice the price on their own 
> web page, don't be surprised when you go to order another set for spares 4 
> days later and find that MowTown has changed their Amazon price since you 
> ordered. Sometimes when the lowest price is from a reliable seller, you can't 
> rely on the price to stay the lowest. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-13 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:17:51 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> > On December 12, 2017 at 8:08 PM Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Please let us know if the seller responds and how it turns out.
> 
> (Methinks Nina might be in China, her English isn't very goodly)

Seems that way, doesn't it?


Craig 

 
> Thank you for your email.
> 
> I emailed them and asked to info their leaders.
> 
> And will create more listings that fulfilled by seller.
> 
> Our warehouses ship out items within 1-2 business days, and customers
> always get their package within 1-5 business days.
> 
> Thank you again!
> 
> Nina

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

> On December 13, 2017 at 1:56 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good strategies!
> 
> Another one that has occasionally worked for me is to go to the 
> manufacturer's or vendor's (that Amazon is reselling) website directly. 
> Sometimes you will find a better deal that way, especially of you also do a 
> search for a discount code.

Yes, if the best seller on Amazon for your mower blades is MowTownUSA, see if 
they have a web page. And when you see it for twice the price on their own web 
page, don't be surprised when you go to order another set for spares 4 days 
later and find that MowTown has changed their Amazon price since you ordered. 
Sometimes when the lowest price is from a reliable seller, you can't rely on 
the price to stay the lowest. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-13 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

Good strategies!

Another one that has occasionally worked for me is to go to the manufacturer's 
or vendor's (that Amazon is reselling) website directly. Sometimes you will 
find a better deal that way, especially of you also do a search for a discount 
code.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

It’s like any online venue - you have to shop smart.  A good example:

I wanted a bench mat with a Walther PPQ exploded view on it, a common pistol 
sort of thing that’s handy to have for a number of reasons.  Here’s how they 
priced it:

Prime:  $11.00

Other sellers: $7.00 and up

In most cases, the “other sellers” are adding shipping costs on top of their 
prices, making Prime a better deal since shipping is “free”.  In this case, a 
third party seller had the mat for around $8.00 with free shipping.  Sure, it 
came First Class or some other slow boat method, but I wasn’t in a hurry.

Net gain over the river of big women?  About $3.00.  Add to that the seller was 
from out of state, so I also dodged the state sales tax on the mat as well, so 
I really did better than just the difference.

A lot of people never drill down into the “other sellers” sections and see the 
better deals.  Another place you can make out well is their “warehouse deals”.  
These are the scratch and dent/returns sort of things they offer.  I’ve done 
well on two things there recently:

$130 metal gun cabinet - $72.00 on a warehouse deal.  Had “less than 10% 
damage”.  It had a ding on the back of the cabinet that I knocked out with a 
deadblow hammer and a two by four.  Heck, it was on the back - I’ll never see 
it!

$12.00 pop-up sprinkler head.  Got a brand new one from their warehouse deals 
for $3.00 shipped. Sprinkles as well or better than the new one.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 9:33 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> THat is a good idea, but why bother?   Buy it elsewhere.  The river of big 
> women has no bargains that I see.  Most of what I look at is higher than 
> retail  plus shipping from other places, or  higher than the local 
> hardware/lumber/FLAPS store with tax.
> 
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> December 13, 
>> 2017 at 6:10 AM
>> 
>> Depends on where it is. If they've got some in Indiana or Kentucky and they 
>> don't use multiple carriers, it probably would. But if they weren't even 
>> going to try to ship it until the 12th or 13th, delivery on the 12th was 
>> never a possibility.
>> 
>> When I requested the cancel, they said 'we're processing it right now, but 
>> we'll try to stop it', and then I got an email confirming it was canceled.
>> 
>> I just don't like the idea of 'you didn't pay extra for speedy service, so 
>> we'll deliberately sit on it for a week'.
>> In the past, Free Super Saver Shipping meant 'we'll get it out tonight or 
>> tomorrow, ship it via the cheapest carrier, and you get it when you get it, 
>> almost always within a week'. I was happy with that system.
>> 
>> Next month, after everything settles down from the holidays, I'll place an 
>> order Monday morning for a bunch of stuff that I can shelve or do without 
>> for a while, like printer ink, automotive filters, tools I'd like to have 
>> but don't immediately need...and if they ship it, fine. If they don't, I'll 
>> cancel it all on Friday evening. Maybe that'll help them get the message.
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

How can it not be ethical?  Being ethical is conforming to accepted standards 
of conduct.  The terms are there in clear view, there’s no effort on Amazon’s 
part to be obtuse or conceal them.  Both parties have to understand what their 
obligations are, and they’re pretty clear without having to do any digging or 
read any fine print:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200444170

If you read and agree to this, you get a free 30 day free trial.  If you don’t, 
you don’t do it or you mark your calendar so you know to cancel at or before 
the trial ends.  There’s nothing about ethics there.  It’s clearly stated what 
each party’s actions are and the expectations of value as well as how to 
rescind your assent should you choose to do so.

There’s nothing unethical about Amazon’s business practices in this situation.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Call it what you want.  It is not an ethical sale, although it is legal.
> 
> How many ethical lawyers have you come across?   I can't think of one I have 
> come across that was ethical in all situations.(All have sinned and fall 
> short...)

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Isn't that true of everybody? Are you saying you're 100% ethical in all 
situations.
The son was sent home from school for stealing a pencil. The father said "Son, 
don't steal pencils, I will bring you one from the office."

-Curt
 

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 1:17:19 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Call it what you want.  It is not an ethical sale, although it is legal.

How many ethical lawyers have you come across?  I can't think of one I 
have come across that was ethical in all situations.    (All have sinned 
and fall short...)

> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> December 13, 2017 at 12:12 PM
> Failure to read the terms before you give someone a credit card number 
> is not the fault of the seller or provider of services. As with any 
> purchase, it’s a buyer beware situation. Having done this with Amazon 
> several times and dropped the membership before I was charged, they 
> are very clear about this up front, and as I recall, I got 
> notifications that the free membership was going to expire in a 
> certain number of days as well.
>
> And in the marketing classes I took in college, this is not known as 
> “push marketing” - that’s when you offer incentives to the seller to 
> promote or “push” a product, such as incentives to salespeople to 
> promote a certain product or brand. This is nothing more than a free 
> trial. They’re betting you’ll like what you get and stay on board. 
> You’re betting you won’t and will be able to pull out before you’re 
> charged. They want to make sure you’re serious and also eliminate the 
> need to either kick you out after 30 days or come back and ask for 
> payment. The ball is in your court to retract your approval - or not.
>
> Again, no matter what you call it, it’s the consumer’s responsibility 
> to understand what they’re committing to when they give out a form of 
> payment, such as a credit card number.
>
> -D
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?


Call it what you want.  It is not an ethical sale, although it is legal.

How many ethical lawyers have you come across?   I can't think of one I 
have come across that was ethical in all situations.(All have sinned 
and fall short...)



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 12:12 PM
Failure to read the terms before you give someone a credit card number 
is not the fault of the seller or provider of services. As with any 
purchase, it’s a buyer beware situation. Having done this with Amazon 
several times and dropped the membership before I was charged, they 
are very clear about this up front, and as I recall, I got 
notifications that the free membership was going to expire in a 
certain number of days as well.


And in the marketing classes I took in college, this is not known as 
“push marketing” - that’s when you offer incentives to the seller to 
promote or “push” a product, such as incentives to salespeople to 
promote a certain product or brand. This is nothing more than a free 
trial. They’re betting you’ll like what you get and stay on board. 
You’re betting you won’t and will be able to pull out before you’re 
charged. They want to make sure you’re serious and also eliminate the 
need to either kick you out after 30 days or come back and ask for 
payment. The ball is in your court to retract your approval - or not.


Again, no matter what you call it, it’s the consumer’s responsibility 
to understand what they’re committing to when they give out a form of 
payment, such as a credit card number.


-D



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Failure to read the terms before you give someone a credit card number is not 
the fault of the seller or provider of services.  As with any purchase, it’s a 
buyer beware situation.  Having done this with Amazon several times and dropped 
the membership before I was charged, they are very clear about this up front, 
and as I recall, I got notifications that the free membership was going to 
expire in a certain number of days as well.

And in the marketing classes I took in college, this is not known as “push 
marketing” - that’s when you offer incentives to the seller to promote or 
“push” a product, such as incentives to salespeople to promote a certain 
product or brand.  This is nothing more than a free trial.  They’re betting 
you’ll like what you get and stay on board.  You’re betting you won’t and will 
be able to pull out before you’re charged.  They want to make sure you’re 
serious and also eliminate the need to either kick you out after 30 days or 
come back and ask for payment.  The ball is in your court to retract your 
approval - or not.

Again, no matter what you call it, it’s the consumer’s responsibility to 
understand what they’re committing to when they give out a form of payment, 
such as a credit card number.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I respectfully disagree.   I believe all the places that bill you at the end 
> of a trial, or "automatically renew" are a scam, UNLESS YOU SPECIFICALLY TAKE 
> ACTION to allow them to auto renew, or bill you at the end of the trial, etc.
> 
> Yes, legally, they informed Gerry, but ONLY if he (you, generically) read ALL 
> the fine print.
> 
> Ethically, it is a "PUSH" sale, not an ethical sale, where buyer and seller 
> agree.   Unfortunately, "Push" sales have become accepted, even though they 
> are unethical.  Being legal does not make it ethical.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 13, 2017 at 9:52 AM
>> Gerry,
>> 
>> I would respectfully disagree.
>> 
>> When you signed up for Prime, there is a very clearly stated disclaimer that 
>> says if you don’t cancel at the end of the 30 day period, you give them 
>> permission to charge your credit card. Also:
>> 
>> Membership Cancellation
>> You may cancel your Prime membership any time by visiting Your Account and 
>> adjusting your membership settings. If you cancel within 3 business days of 
>> signing up for or converting from a free trial to a paid membership, we will 
>> refund your full membership fee; provided that we may charge you (or 
>> withhold from your refund) the value of Prime benefits used by you and your 
>> account during this 3-business day period. If you cancel at any other time, 
>> we will refund your full membership fee only if you and your account did not 
>> make any eligible purchases or take advantage of Prime benefits since your 
>> latest Prime membership charge. Prime memberships redeemed through a Prime 
>> gift code or promotional code are not refundable.
>> 
>> <>
>> This also says that if you don’t use the Prime membership and you decide to 
>> cancel, you can do so at any time and receive a refund.
>> 
>> Gotta read the fine print, buddy. They aren’t out to scam people.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

I respectfully disagree.   I believe all the places that bill you at the 
end of a trial, or "automatically renew" are a scam, UNLESS YOU 
SPECIFICALLY TAKE ACTION to allow them to auto renew, or bill you at the 
end of the trial, etc.


Yes, legally, they informed Gerry, but ONLY if he (you, generically) 
read ALL the fine print.


Ethically, it is a "PUSH" sale, not an ethical sale, where buyer and 
seller agree.   Unfortunately, "Push" sales have become accepted, even 
though they are unethical.  Being legal does not make it ethical.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 9:52 AM
Gerry,

I would respectfully disagree.

When you signed up for Prime, there is a very clearly stated 
disclaimer that says if you don’t cancel at the end of the 30 day 
period, you give them permission to charge your credit card. Also:


Membership Cancellation
You may cancel your Prime membership any time by visiting Your Account 
and adjusting your membership settings. If you cancel within 3 
business days of signing up for or converting from a free trial to a 
paid membership, we will refund your full membership fee; provided 
that we may charge you (or withhold from your refund) the value of 
Prime benefits used by you and your account during this 3-business day 
period. If you cancel at any other time, we will refund your full 
membership fee only if you and your account did not make any eligible 
purchases or take advantage of Prime benefits since your latest Prime 
membership charge. Prime memberships redeemed through a Prime gift 
code or promotional code are not refundable.


<>
This also says that if you don’t use the Prime membership and you 
decide to cancel, you can do so at any time and receive a refund.


Gotta read the fine print, buddy. They aren’t out to scam people.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?


That is their scam!


archer75--- via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 9:46 AM
I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon 
billed my credit card $100 for Prime without my permission....

Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Also this is how pretty much all free trials work...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 

  On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   Gerry,

I would respectfully disagree.

When you signed up for Prime, there is a very clearly stated disclaimer that 
says if you don’t cancel at the end of the 30 day period, you give them 
permission to charge your credit card. Also:

Membership Cancellation
You may cancel your Prime membership any time by visiting Your Account and 
adjusting your membership settings. If you cancel within 3 business days of 
signing up for or converting from a free trial to a paid membership, we will 
refund your full membership fee; provided that we may charge you (or withhold 
from your refund) the value of Prime benefits used by you and your account 
during this 3-business day period. If you cancel at any other time, we will 
refund your full membership fee only if you and your account did not make any 
eligible purchases or take advantage of Prime benefits since your latest Prime 
membership charge. Prime memberships redeemed through a Prime gift code or 
promotional code are not refundable.

 <>
This also says that if you don’t use the Prime membership and you decide to 
cancel, you can do so at any time and receive a refund.

Gotta read the fine print, buddy.  They aren’t out to scam people.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 10:46 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon billed 
> my credit card $100 for Prime without my permission. I don't go to the 
> trouble of trying to get my money back from these sorts of racketeers, so I'm 
> thinking of just ordering the heaviest possible items I normally buy at 
> stores; probably foodstuffs, canned good, oil, etc.
> Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
> Thanks,
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Also this is how pretty much all free trials work...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 

  On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   Gerry,

I would respectfully disagree.

When you signed up for Prime, there is a very clearly stated disclaimer that 
says if you don’t cancel at the end of the 30 day period, you give them 
permission to charge your credit card. Also:

Membership Cancellation
You may cancel your Prime membership any time by visiting Your Account and 
adjusting your membership settings. If you cancel within 3 business days of 
signing up for or converting from a free trial to a paid membership, we will 
refund your full membership fee; provided that we may charge you (or withhold 
from your refund) the value of Prime benefits used by you and your account 
during this 3-business day period. If you cancel at any other time, we will 
refund your full membership fee only if you and your account did not make any 
eligible purchases or take advantage of Prime benefits since your latest Prime 
membership charge. Prime memberships redeemed through a Prime gift code or 
promotional code are not refundable.

 <>
This also says that if you don’t use the Prime membership and you decide to 
cancel, you can do so at any time and receive a refund.

Gotta read the fine print, buddy.  They aren’t out to scam people.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 10:46 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon billed 
> my credit card $100 for Prime without my permission. I don't go to the 
> trouble of trying to get my money back from these sorts of racketeers, so I'm 
> thinking of just ordering the heaviest possible items I normally buy at 
> stores; probably foodstuffs, canned good, oil, etc.
> Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
> Thanks,
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-13 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Gerry a‎sks:

>‎Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?

Yes. It's called "Prime Pantry" and they fill a giant box with your "stuff". 
BTW, it's peak season for shippers. I try not to order anything online for 
delivery between Thanksgiving and New Years day.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/pantry/info/ref=pntry_wayfind_about

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

> On December 13, 2017 at 10:57 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That is interesting.   I bought one for the daughter's E320 and it was 
> really cheap.  Was a different number from the one on the Curt site, 
> which was wa more expensive, but appeared to be identical and 
> actually had a hitch insert and ball to go with it.

For the 2016-2018 Cruze, there are 3 hitches, the one I bought, 114393, comes 
with a plain 1 1/4" ball mount.  114391 and 114392 come with eurostyle swan 
neck balls in 1 7/8 or 2". All 3 are the same receiver, the only difference 
between the 3 part numbers is what they supply to stick in the receiver. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-13 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


Well, they are, but not so overtly.  Gotta pay for Whole Foods somehow.

BTW, didn't I see something about the WF/amazon deal where you could 
order stuff to pick up there or something?  The nearest WF is like 45min 
away so I wouldn't go there anyway, but whatever the deal was seemed 
interesting when I read about it.  I think El Mercado de Wal is doing 
that now too.


--FT


On 12/13/17 10:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Gotta read the fine print, buddy.  They aren’t out to scam people.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

2017-12-13 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

That is interesting.   I bought one for the daughter's E320 and it was 
really cheap.  Was a different number from the one on the Curt site, 
which was wa more expensive, but appeared to be identical and 
actually had a hitch insert and ball to go with it. I called up Curt and 
talked to a woman there who had to dig around the catalog a bit but 
confirmed it was the same unit, actually a better deal for reasons she 
could not figure out other than maybe it was some old stock thing that 
had a superseded number.  It was like $60 as opposed to $200 or 
something for the "new" version without the hitch bits, and free shipping.


There was a guy in Benzworld who said he would sell me one, but 
apparently didn't want to go to the trouble of getting all the brackets 
and bolts off the car, or didn't get them off before he sold it or 
something.  Shipping would have been more than this whole package from 
the river of bare-chested wimmins with knives and swords and no men to 
satisfy their urges.


--FT


On 12/13/17 10:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On December 13, 2017 at 9:48 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Another place you can make out well is their “warehouse deals”.  These are the 
scratch and dent/returns sort of things they offer.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01ERX60LS

I got this for $32.06, it's the reason for my order last week.
Was on the UPS truck yesterday but the driver apparently didn't feel like 
driving out to the edge of his route to bring it here. Just as well, I was at 
school all day.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01ERX60LS

About the only thing that could be missing from this model that would give me 
any grief is the set of 4 square hole washers to hold the carriage bolts. And 
Curt doesn't sell parts, at least they didn't sell the S210 reinforcement bars 
separately when I tried to buy a set.
Draw-tite and Reese use the same sort of rectangular washers, maybe I could buy 
some from them or from a hitch shop.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

Gerry,

I would respectfully disagree.

When you signed up for Prime, there is a very clearly stated disclaimer that 
says if you don’t cancel at the end of the 30 day period, you give them 
permission to charge your credit card. Also:

Membership Cancellation
You may cancel your Prime membership any time by visiting Your Account and 
adjusting your membership settings. If you cancel within 3 business days of 
signing up for or converting from a free trial to a paid membership, we will 
refund your full membership fee; provided that we may charge you (or withhold 
from your refund) the value of Prime benefits used by you and your account 
during this 3-business day period. If you cancel at any other time, we will 
refund your full membership fee only if you and your account did not make any 
eligible purchases or take advantage of Prime benefits since your latest Prime 
membership charge. Prime memberships redeemed through a Prime gift code or 
promotional code are not refundable.

 <>
This also says that if you don’t use the Prime membership and you decide to 
cancel, you can do so at any time and receive a refund.

Gotta read the fine print, buddy.  They aren’t out to scam people.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 10:46 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon billed 
> my credit card $100 for Prime without my permission. I don't go to the 
> trouble of trying to get my money back from these sorts of racketeers, so I'm 
> thinking of just ordering the heaviest possible items I normally buy at 
> stores; probably foodstuffs, canned good, oil, etc.
> Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
> Thanks,
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

> On December 13, 2017 at 10:46 AM archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon billed 
> my credit card $100 for Prime without my permission. 

I would have assumed they'd charge you 10.99/month, unless you specified $100 
per year. 
When you take the trial, you need to cancel before the trial end date. 
When you cancel, it'll say what day your trial ends, you still have the full 30 
days free.
But you can only do one trial a year. 

If they charge you, you can cancel and get a refund, probably full refund if 
you haven't used any Prime services since the charge.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

I clicked on the 30 day Prime trial. At the end of the 30 days Amazon billed my 
credit card $100 for Prime without my permission. I don't go to the trouble of 
trying to get my money back from these sorts of racketeers, so I'm thinking of 
just ordering the heaviest possible items I normally buy at stores; probably 
foodstuffs, canned good, oil, etc.
Does Prime pay the freight on foodstuffs?
Thanks,
Gerry
~~
Dan Penoff wrote:
> This is exactly the same kind of garbage they would pull with me before I got 
> a Prime membership.  As I said previously, I did this a couple of times and 
> suddenly the orders after that would ship promptly.
> Jerks.
> -D
> 
> > On Dec 12, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I just canceled an item ordered through Amazon, and bought a similar item 
> > from an eBay seller to replace it. 
> > 
> > Bought it Wednesday the 6th, for delivery between the 12th and the 15th. 
> > Canceled it the evening of the 12th, Amazon still hadn't shipped it.
> > 
> > Emailed the seller and told them I canceled it because Amazon never shipped 
> > it, suggested they might want to ask Amazon why Amazon wasn't fulfilling 
> > their "Fulfilled by Amazon" orders. 
> > 
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

> On December 13, 2017 at 9:48 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Another place you can make out well is their “warehouse deals”.  These are 
> the scratch and dent/returns sort of things they offer. 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01ERX60LS

I got this for $32.06, it's the reason for my order last week. 
Was on the UPS truck yesterday but the driver apparently didn't feel like 
driving out to the edge of his route to bring it here. Just as well, I was at 
school all day. 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01ERX60LS

About the only thing that could be missing from this model that would give me 
any grief is the set of 4 square hole washers to hold the carriage bolts. And 
Curt doesn't sell parts, at least they didn't sell the S210 reinforcement bars 
separately when I tried to buy a set. 
Draw-tite and Reese use the same sort of rectangular washers, maybe I could buy 
some from them or from a hitch shop. 

Condition: Used - Good - Some cosmetic imperfection on top, front or sides of 
item (less than 20%). Some cosmetic imperfection on interior, bottom or back of 
item (less than 20%). Missing Assembly Hardware. Accessories may have cosmetic 
damage. Item will come in original packaging.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

It’s like any online venue - you have to shop smart.  A good example:

I wanted a bench mat with a Walther PPQ exploded view on it, a common pistol 
sort of thing that’s handy to have for a number of reasons.  Here’s how they 
priced it:

Prime:  $11.00

Other sellers: $7.00 and up

In most cases, the “other sellers” are adding shipping costs on top of their 
prices, making Prime a better deal since shipping is “free”.  In this case, a 
third party seller had the mat for around $8.00 with free shipping.  Sure, it 
came First Class or some other slow boat method, but I wasn’t in a hurry.

Net gain over the river of big women?  About $3.00.  Add to that the seller was 
from out of state, so I also dodged the state sales tax on the mat as well, so 
I really did better than just the difference.

A lot of people never drill down into the “other sellers” sections and see the 
better deals.  Another place you can make out well is their “warehouse deals”.  
These are the scratch and dent/returns sort of things they offer.  I’ve done 
well on two things there recently:

$130 metal gun cabinet - $72.00 on a warehouse deal.  Had “less than 10% 
damage”.  It had a ding on the back of the cabinet that I knocked out with a 
deadblow hammer and a two by four.  Heck, it was on the back - I’ll never see 
it!

$12.00 pop-up sprinkler head.  Got a brand new one from their warehouse deals 
for $3.00 shipped. Sprinkles as well or better than the new one.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2017, at 9:33 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> THat is a good idea, but why bother?   Buy it elsewhere.  The river of big 
> women has no bargains that I see.  Most of what I look at is higher than 
> retail  plus shipping from other places, or  higher than the local 
> hardware/lumber/FLAPS store with tax.
> 
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> December 13, 2017 at 6:10 AM
>> 
>> Depends on where it is. If they've got some in Indiana or Kentucky and they 
>> don't use multiple carriers, it probably would. But if they weren't even 
>> going to try to ship it until the 12th or 13th, delivery on the 12th was 
>> never a possibility.
>> 
>> When I requested the cancel, they said 'we're processing it right now, but 
>> we'll try to stop it', and then I got an email confirming it was canceled.
>> 
>> I just don't like the idea of 'you didn't pay extra for speedy service, so 
>> we'll deliberately sit on it for a week'.
>> In the past, Free Super Saver Shipping meant 'we'll get it out tonight or 
>> tomorrow, ship it via the cheapest carrier, and you get it when you get it, 
>> almost always within a week'. I was happy with that system.
>> 
>> Next month, after everything settles down from the holidays, I'll place an 
>> order Monday morning for a bunch of stuff that I can shelve or do without 
>> for a while, like printer ink, automotive filters, tools I'd like to have 
>> but don't immediately need...and if they ship it, fine. If they don't, I'll 
>> cancel it all on Friday evening. Maybe that'll help them get the message.
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

THat is a good idea, but why bother?   Buy it elsewhere.  The river of 
big women has no bargains that I see.  Most of what I look at is higher 
than retail  plus shipping from other places, or  higher than the local 
hardware/lumber/FLAPS store with tax.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 13, 2017 at 6:10 AM

Depends on where it is. If they've got some in Indiana or Kentucky and 
they don't use multiple carriers, it probably would. But if they 
weren't even going to try to ship it until the 12th or 13th, delivery 
on the 12th was never a possibility.


When I requested the cancel, they said 'we're processing it right now, 
but we'll try to stop it', and then I got an email confirming it was 
canceled.


I just don't like the idea of 'you didn't pay extra for speedy 
service, so we'll deliberately sit on it for a week'.
In the past, Free Super Saver Shipping meant 'we'll get it out tonight 
or tomorrow, ship it via the cheapest carrier, and you get it when you 
get it, almost always within a week'. I was happy with that system.


Next month, after everything settles down from the holidays, I'll 
place an order Monday morning for a bunch of stuff that I can shelve 
or do without for a while, like printer ink, automotive filters, tools 
I'd like to have but don't immediately need...and if they ship it, 
fine. If they don't, I'll cancel it all on Friday evening. Maybe 
that'll help them get the message.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Amazon slow for everybody?

> On December 12, 2017 at 8:08 PM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Please let us know if the seller responds and how it turns out.

(Methinks Nina might be in China, her English isn't very goodly)
Mitch. 

Thank you for your email.

I emailed them and asked to info their leaders.

And will create more listings that fulfilled by seller.

Our warehouses ship out items within 1-2 business days, and customers always 
get their package within 1-5 business days.

Thank you again!

Nina

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