Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I replaced the ContiPro's on my '91 300D last Feb (got ~70K Mi) with a set of Kuhmo's. WHile I dislike sending money to China they were too good a deal to pass up. So far (~20K mi) they have been excellent - great in rain, snow and dry. Plus they seem to be wearing very slowly. It's getting harder and harder to find 14's (for my MGB) and gradually getting harder finding 15s. I suspect 15s will virtually disappear (except from the vintage tire sellers) as 16 becomes the new standard. LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Max Dillon Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:34 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Kuhmo's are built in South Koreagreat tire for the price. John On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM, l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I replaced the ContiPro's on my '91 300D last Feb (got ~70K Mi) with a set of Kuhmo's. WHile I dislike sending money to China they were too good a deal to pass up. So far (~20K mi) they have been excellent - great in rain, snow and dry. Plus they seem to be wearing very slowly. It's getting harder and harder to find 14's (for my MGB) and gradually getting harder finding 15s. I suspect 15s will virtually disappear (except from the vintage tire sellers) as 16 becomes the new standard. LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Max Dillon Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:34 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I put Goodyear Eagles (195-65-15s) on the 91 300D shortly after we bought it and was very disappointed with their performance - poor wet, poor dry and rapid wear. The Kuhmo Extsa's on it now seem the opposite! I guess the car is very important when it comes to tire performance - we had exactly the opposite results -- Go figger - LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. My 2.3-16v came with proper size worn out Goodyears (205/55vr15 on aftermarket rims.) Those Eagles were hard and shiny, but it cornered better than with the new Kumhos I put on it (195/65/15 on narrower 190D rims) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I wonder how much of that difference was due to the size (195/65 vs. 205/60)? Seems intuitive that the 205/60 would have better grip dry than a 195/65, all else being equal, but I suspect that there can be wide variation from batch to batch of tires from the same maker. However, even though purchasing tires seems like taking a chance no matter how much research one does, I'll bet the quality across the board is far higher now that it was decades ago (similar to improvements in motor oils). -Max From: l02tur...@comcast.net l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 2:41:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I put Goodyear Eagles (195-65-15s) on the 91 300D shortly after we bought it and was very disappointed with their performance - poor wet, poor dry and rapid wear. The Kuhmo Extsa's on it now seem the opposite! I guess the car is very important when it comes to tire performance - we had exactly the opposite results -- Go figger - LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. My 2.3-16v came with proper size worn out Goodyears (205/55vr15 on aftermarket rims.) Those Eagles were hard and shiny, but it cornered better than with the new Kumhos I put on it (195/65/15 on narrower 190D rims) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I put Goodyear Eagles (195-65-15s) on the 91 300D shortly after we bought it and was very disappointed with their performance - poor wet, poor dry and rapid wear. The Kuhmo Extsa's on it now seem the opposite! I guess the car is very important when it comes to tire performance - we had exactly the opposite results -- Go figger - Rim width and tread depth can mean a lot too, not to mention those zero tread depth Eagles were the only V rated tires I can recall using. 190D rims are narrower than 2.3-16 rims, and it's possible that those five spoke Rikens were even wider than stock 2.3-16 rims. All I can say for sure is that they were wider than the 190DT rims when I swapped them. The Kumhos were a low end model, about a month old and 11-12/32 deep, the Eagles were probably 2-4/32. I'm not sure about ultimate cornering ability, but it practically jumped into corners with the V-rated 205/55 tires and wallowed like a pig with the 195/65 tires. I drove it to where I was storing the 190D, swapped wheels, and it was a marked difference driving home. Tire pressure might have played a part too. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I didn't think Kuhmo's were made in China. A friend stuck a set on his Boxster, and has done several DE with them. They ride well, and perform quite well too. Maybe not up with the Pirelli in performance, but a LOT cheaper. I have a set of Pirelli on the minivan, so I tell him not to mess with me in the Boxster, as he doesn't stand a chance to saying with me. hee hee Ed 300E On 17 December 2010 14:22, l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I replaced the ContiPro's on my '91 300D last Feb (got ~70K Mi) with a set of Kuhmo's. WHile I dislike sending money to China they were too good a deal to pass up. So far (~20K mi) they have been excellent - great in rain, snow and dry. Plus they seem to be wearing very slowly. It's getting harder and harder to find 14's (for my MGB) and gradually getting harder finding 15s. I suspect 15s will virtually disappear (except from the vintage tire sellers) as 16 becomes the new standard. LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Max Dillon Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:34 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
There are cars made right now (the Chevy Aveo for one) rolling on 14s. I'd say if you're having a hard time getting 14s its because your tire shop sucks. TireRack has 20 choices for your MG from $51 to $104 apiece... -Curt Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:59 -0500 From: l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Message-ID: 9079ebc4e2184e6ca48ee1495f625...@larrypc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I replaced the ContiPro's on my '91 300D last Feb (got ~70K Mi) with a set of Kuhmo's. WHile I dislike sending money to China they were too good a deal to pass up. So far (~20K mi) they have been excellent - great in rain, snow and dry. Plus they seem to be wearing very slowly. It's getting harder and harder to find 14's (for my MGB) and gradually getting harder finding 15s. I suspect 15s will virtually disappear (except from the vintage tire sellers) as 16 becomes the new standard. LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i run 18s on my 124. like 245/40/18 or something around there Really? How'd you manage it without them rubbing? I scored a set of 500E rims and good tires for practically nothing that I'd like to put on my 300E, but I don't see how a tire that fat is going to fit without flaring the fenders or at least rolling the inner lip. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
they are just your standard sort of amg knockoff wheels and bolt up just fine On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i run 18s on my 124. like 245/40/18 or something around there Really? How'd you manage it without them rubbing? I scored a set of 500E rims and good tires for practically nothing that I'd like to put on my 300E, but I don't see how a tire that fat is going to fit without flaring the fenders or at least rolling the inner lip. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 00:24:00 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: No need to do the math, just go to http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html I built a spreadsheet quite a while ago. It makes it easy to compare a bunch of different sizes. You didn't think I did the math _manually_ did you?? *chuckle* U ... yes. It was a lot easier than writing a spreadsheet. In addition, the miata.net site lists revolutions per mile, which is not directly calculable from the tire dimensions (or at least should not be). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
i run 18s on my 124. like 245/40/18 or something around there On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BridgestonetireModel=Potenza+RE960AS+Pole+Positionpartnum=965HR5RE960PPvehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yestab=Survey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
fmiser wrote: I built a spreadsheet quite a while ago. It makes it easy to compare a bunch of different sizes. You didn't think I did the math _manually_ did you?? *chuckle* Craig wrote: U ... yes. It was a lot easier than writing a spreadsheet. Well, I had the spreadsheet already, and it makes it easy to compare multiple tires and it's trivial to shuffle numbers to see various results. And for me typing the math function into the spreadsheet is about as fast as entering it on a calculator. In addition, the miata.net site lists revolutions per mile, which is not directly calculable from the tire dimensions (or at least should not be). Oh? Why is that? If it is not directly calculable from the tire dimensions, then it is tire model and inflation pressure specific - right? Or am I missing something obvious? (again...) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Craig wrote: U ... yes. It was a lot easier than writing a spreadsheet. In addition, the miata.net site lists revolutions per mile, which is not directly calculable from the tire dimensions (or at least should not be). Revs per mile is very handy in adjusting cars with OBD programmable speedometers. For the rest of us, if we know the revs per mile on our OE tires, than that's what we mostly need to know about the new ones. Tire Rack lists revs per mile for most of the tires they sell. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
There is a General Altimax HP tire in 195/65R15 91H for only $66 per tire, but no test results to see objective data about how it stacks up... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Mitch Haley wrote: For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BridgestonetireModel=Poten za+RE960AS+Pole+Positionpartnum=965HR5RE960PPvehicleSearch=falsefromCompa re1=yestab=Survey This reminds me. I'm a bit slow here, but Mitch and his tire-hunting ability found me 205/70R14 General Altimax RT for my 123 TD. What makes these special is the 1635 lb (750 kg) load rating. I haul heavy in my wagon, and there seem to be few 14 inch tires made now with the higher load rating. I'm quite please with the tires. They ride well, handle wet roads well, seem to do fair in the little snow they've seen. Thanks Mitch! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Loren, Can you tell me the exact model/size? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I have similar BS Potenza tires on my 300D 124. They seem to grip well, but don't look like they will set records for long mileage, but I prefer grip over uber high mile tires the slip when wet and are worthless on snow and ice. I think they are a good all round choice for safety. For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BridgestonetireModel=Pote nza+RE960AS+Pole+Positionpartnum=965HR5RE960PPvehicleSearch=falsefromComp are1=yestab=Survey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
John Reames wrote: Potenzas are okay as long as you don't corner... Or drive when it's wet. Or damp. Or snow/ice. There are a LOT of tires bearing the Potenza name. Usually (but not always) the Pole Position versions are well thought of. This one has very good survey results (averaage score 8.2 on a 1-10 scale on 1443 owners surveyed) Here's another Potenza, lower load rating, $3 less, not as popular with those who own it. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BridgestonetireModel=Potenza+G+019+Gridpartnum=965HR5G019vehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yestab=Survey BTW, yesterday was the first day I had to drive on accumulated snow this fall. My General Altimax HP on the Oldsmobile (same size, 195/65HR15) did OK, but not as well as they did two years and 10,000 miles ago. When new, they were surprisingly close to snow tires. They've slipped in the survey since I bought them, they were tied for first with the Michelin Primacy MXV4. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=GeneraltireModel=Altimax+HPpartnum=965HR5AMAXHPvehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yestab=Survey Here's a Bridgestone touring tire, seems well liked for a tire with ridiculously high treadwear rating: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BridgestonetireModel=Turanza+Serenitypartnum=965HR5TSvehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yestab=Survey A couple of Michelin models with good survey and treadwear ratings, including a low rolling resistance tire (only T speed and 89 load rated though). $70 rebate on Michelin right now. (Wow, the MXV4 is $120 before rebate, was $90-100 not too long ago) http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=MichelintireModel=HydroEdge+with+Green+Xpartnum=965TR5HEvehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yestab=Survey http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=MichelintireModel=Primacy+MXV4partnum=965HR5MXV4PvehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yestab=Survey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. I suspect the trade-off will be in fuel consumption (worse), speedometer accuracy, and handling; I'd like to know more about the handling part. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? These 195 tires are getting to be a problem to find if my experience is any indication. And MBs seem to require a particular load rating due to the general heavy nature and handling requirements, which are even more difficult to find in a 195 (if you follow the rules) for these older cars. 205s seem easier to find for the application, I'm not sure that small difference will make much difference to anything noticeable, but I'm sure there is some aspect to that I am not aware of. --R On 12/10/2010 6:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Max Dillon wrote: So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. My 2.3-16v came with proper size worn out Goodyears (205/55vr15 on aftermarket rims.) Those Eagles were hard and shiny, but it cornered better than with the new Kumhos I put on it (195/65/15 on narrower 190D rims) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Max Dillon wrote: There is a General Altimax HP tire in 195/65R15 91H for only $66 per tire, but no test results to see objective data about how it stacks up... I have those on an Olds Achieva. Rated at 51psi, I keep them at least 40psi. Hmm, that gives me an idea. I blew them up to 51 last month, maybe I'll regain some snow traction if I drop them back to 40. If you run them on a Mercedes weight car at 30psi it will probably feel like you're driving on flat tires. I sorted the tire rack reviews lowest first, and most of what I see people complaining about could be explained by under inflation. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Not right now. THe car is 1000 miles away. I can tell you I got them at china club, so they were a discontinued model then. chinamart and china club only sell tires that are NA or NLA to the tire store market. The were the last thing I bought at china club. I just remember they are BS potenza Can you tell me the exact model/size? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I have similar BS Potenza tires on my 300D 124. They seem to grip well, but don't look like they will set records for long mileage, but I prefer grip over uber high mile tires the slip when wet and are worthless on snow and ice. I think they are a good all round choice for safety. For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BridgestonetireModel=Pote nza+RE960AS+Pole+Positionpartnum=965HR5RE960PPvehicleSearch=falsefromComp are1=yestab=Survey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've been playing with the review sorting option for the General and the Potenza in 195/65R15, sorting on Mercedes owners, and find that many of the complainers have symptoms consistent with either no rotations, poor alignment, worn out suspension, or under inflation. The rest of the MB owners really like the tires, but many of those are newer cars which almost certainly means larger tires. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: There is a General Altimax HP tire in 195/65R15 91H for only $66 per tire, but no test results to see objective data about how it stacks up... I have those on an Olds Achieva. Rated at 51psi, I keep them at least 40psi. Hmm, that gives me an idea. I blew them up to 51 last month, maybe I'll regain some snow traction if I drop them back to 40. If you run them on a Mercedes weight car at 30psi it will probably feel like you're driving on flat tires. I sorted the tire rack reviews lowest first, and most of what I see people complaining about could be explained by under inflation. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I put 205s I got for the 126 on the front of the 300TD. THey did not rub, but they don't handl right and they don't look right. They won't help anything (except your wallet if you already own 205s) I do not recommend 205s on a 124. So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. I suspect the trade-off will be in fuel consumption (worse), speedometer accuracy, and handling; I'd like to know more about the handling part. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? These 195 tires are getting to be a problem to find if my experience is any indication. And MBs seem to require a particular load rating due to the general heavy nature and handling requirements, which are even more difficult to find in a 195 (if you follow the rules) for these older cars. 205s seem easier to find for the application, I'm not sure that small difference will make much difference to anything noticeable, but I'm sure there is some aspect to that I am not aware of. --R On 12/10/2010 6:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I put 205s I got for the 126 on the front of the 300TD. THey did not rub, but they don't handl right and they don't look right. They won't help anything (except your wallet if you already own 205s) I do not recommend 205s on a 124. So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. I suspect the trade-off will be in fuel consumption (worse), speedometer accuracy, and handling; I'd like to know more about the handling part. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:59 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? These 195 tires are getting to be a problem to find if my experience is any indication. And MBs seem to require a particular load rating due to the general heavy nature and handling requirements, which are even more difficult to find in a 195 (if you follow the rules) for these older cars. 205s seem easier to find for the application, I'm not sure that small difference will make much difference to anything noticeable, but I'm sure there is some aspect to that I am not aware of. --R On 12/10/2010 6:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... I live where it snows, and there was a $50 rebate on the Altimax HP when I bought them. You live where it doesn't snow much and melts fast, and there's a $70 rebate on Michelin and Bridgestone right now. The Generals are ranked a bit higher in the snow, but the Bridgestones are the #3 tire in the 'ultra high performance all season' category, and the highest ranked UHP tire that's sold in 15. Yeah, I'd be all over those Bridgestones, if I lived in the Carolinas and I could wait for the backorder status. Or if I lived anywhere else and used a separate set of snow tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Max Dillon wrote: So does anyone on this list run 205/60R15 tires on a 124? I'd like to stay with the factory rating, but I'm considering whatever trade-off may be required if I can save $100 or so. I suspect the trade-off will be in fuel consumption (worse), speedometer accuracy, and handling; I'd like to know more about the handling part. 195/65 205/60Size 609.1 601.6 tire diameter in mm 23.98 23.69 tire diameter in inches 99% difference in diameter I can't help with the handling - except on my 123s I generally put over-wide tires on. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Well, TireRack couldn't deliver the tires before early January, and I need them earlier. TireBuyer has them in stock for a higher price ($78) and no rebate, but free shipping, so I'll pay about $75 more but get a tire that looks decent. Better, TireBuyer will deliver them to my favorite tire/brake place, Geralds, while TireRack uses a different local installer that is OK but I really like Geralds. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... I live where it snows, and there was a $50 rebate on the Altimax HP when I bought them. You live where it doesn't snow much and melts fast, and there's a $70 rebate on Michelin and Bridgestone right now. The Generals are ranked a bit higher in the snow, but the Bridgestones are the #3 tire in the 'ultra high performance all season' category, and the highest ranked UHP tire that's sold in 15. Yeah, I'd be all over those Bridgestones, if I lived in the Carolinas and I could wait for the backorder status. Or if I lived anywhere else and used a separate set of snow tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I put 205s I got for the 126 on the front of the 300TD. THey did not rub, but they don't handl right and they don't look right. They won't help anything (except your wallet if you already own 205s) I do not recommend 205s on a 124. With all due respect to Loren, I think a mountain is being made out of a molehill here. Of course there is a difference in width between the two sizes, which, all other things being equal, ought to mean slightly better handling with the 205s since there's a slightly larger contact patch. Mileage is impacted primarily by the overall diameter of the wheel-and-tire combination. Do the math on the two sizes: 205 mm * 60% = 123 mm sidewall height 195 mm * 65% = 126.75 mm sidewall height 205 mm * 60% * 2 + 381 mm wheel diameter (15 in) = 627 mm overall wheel-and-tire diameter 195 mm * 65% * 2 + 381 mm = 634.5 mm overall wheel-and-tire diameter The difference in sidewall height is less than 4 mm, about 5/32 in. That's less than the change in sidewall height caused by the tread wearing down over the life of the tire. Overall diameter of the wheel-and-tire combo decreases by less than 1.2% when you go from 195/65 to 205/60. You'd notice more of an impact on fuel consumption if you put a couple of dog food bags in the trunk the next time you went to the supermarket and forgot to take them out for a few days. Last but not least, the owner's manual for my '87 300D lists 195/65R15 as the preferred tire size and 205/60R15 as an acceptable alternative. As an adherent to Dr. Booth's the-Mercedes-engineers-know-best doctrine, that's good enough for me. I have run 196/65 Bridgestone Blizzaks in winter and 205/60 Dunlop D60 M2s (NLA, sadly) on my car since I've had it, both on the stock 15x7 wheels, and have always been more than satisfied with its handling. As Rich noted, there is a lot less variety on the market in 195/65 than in 205/60, and it will only get worse since few (if any) new cars come with that size. Compromising on tires is going to impact safety more than anything else you can do to the car. Find the model you want in one size or the other, with a sufficient load rating for our heavy old beasts, and you'll be best off. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you live where it snows, buy blizzaks unless you want to spend $100+ each for scando-Noko tires. Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... I live where it snows, and there was a $50 rebate on the Altimax HP when I bought them. You live where it doesn't snow much and melts fast, and there's a $70 rebate on Michelin and Bridgestone right now. The Generals are ranked a bit higher in the snow, but the Bridgestones are the #3 tire in the 'ultra high performance all season' category, and the highest ranked UHP tire that's sold in 15. Yeah, I'd be all over those Bridgestones, if I lived in the Carolinas and I could wait for the backorder status. Or if I lived anywhere else and used a separate set of snow tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Where do you see those for $194, I see them at $264 on tirerack On 12/11/2010 1:33 PM, Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... -Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have never heard of tire buyer before, but I checked the Altimax HP, which I run on my 140SD and they are the same price as tirerack, but they have free shipping, so I would be saving about $70. Do they always have free shipping? Anybody used them before? On 12/11/2010 2:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Well, TireRack couldn't deliver the tires before early January, and I need them earlier. TireBuyer has them in stock for a higher price ($78) and no rebate, but free shipping, so I'll pay about $75 more but get a tire that looks decent. Better, TireBuyer will deliver them to my favorite tire/brake place, Geralds, while TireRack uses a different local installer that is OK but I really like Geralds. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... I live where it snows, and there was a $50 rebate on the Altimax HP when I bought them. You live where it doesn't snow much and melts fast, and there's a $70 rebate on Michelin and Bridgestone right now. The Generals are ranked a bit higher in the snow, but the Bridgestones are the #3 tire in the 'ultra high performance all season' category, and the highest ranked UHP tire that's sold in 15. Yeah, I'd be all over those Bridgestones, if I lived in the Carolinas and I could wait for the backorder status. Or if I lived anywhere else and used a separate set of snow tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 426/3305 - Release Date: 12/09/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Where do you see those for $194, I see them at $264 on tirerack There's a rebate on a set of four, in the form of a $70 Amex gift card. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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$264 - $70 December special rebate. Look closely - I missed it at first myself. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Where do you see those for $194, I see them at $264 on tirerack On 12/11/2010 1:33 PM, Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... -Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Will let you know how it goes... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? I have never heard of tire buyer before, but I checked the Altimax HP, which I run on my 140SD and they are the same price as tirerack, but they have free shipping, so I would be saving about $70. Do they always have free shipping? Anybody used them before? On 12/11/2010 2:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Well, TireRack couldn't deliver the tires before early January, and I need them earlier. TireBuyer has them in stock for a higher price ($78) and no rebate, but free shipping, so I'll pay about $75 more but get a tire that looks decent. Better, TireBuyer will deliver them to my favorite tire/brake place, Geralds, while TireRack uses a different local installer that is OK but I really like Geralds. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 2:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60? Max Dillon wrote: OK, looks like I've got to decide between these two 195/65R15 91H tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position ($194 for 4 tires - special price for December) -or- General Altimax HP ($264 for 4 tires). Methinks I'll go with the Bridgestone... I live where it snows, and there was a $50 rebate on the Altimax HP when I bought them. You live where it doesn't snow much and melts fast, and there's a $70 rebate on Michelin and Bridgestone right now. The Generals are ranked a bit higher in the snow, but the Bridgestones are the #3 tire in the 'ultra high performance all season' category, and the highest ranked UHP tire that's sold in 15. Yeah, I'd be all over those Bridgestones, if I lived in the Carolinas and I could wait for the backorder status. Or if I lived anywhere else and used a separate set of snow tires. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 426/3305 - Release Date: 12/09/10 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Be careful: some of those Michelin specials have REALLY narrow purchase windows, with things like must be purchased from warehouse stock on hand etc. D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:37:26 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Mileage is impacted primarily by the overall diameter of the wheel-and-tire combination. Do the math on the two sizes: 205 mm * 60% = 123 mm sidewall height 195 mm * 65% = 126.75 mm sidewall height 205 mm * 60% * 2 + 381 mm wheel diameter (15 in) = 627 mm overall wheel-and-tire diameter 195 mm * 65% * 2 + 381 mm = 634.5 mm overall wheel-and-tire diameter No need to do the math, just go to http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html With a Stock tire of 195/65-15 and a New tire of 205/60-15, it says, Speedometer reading with non-stock tire is 1.2% too fast. When your speedo reads 60mph, you are actually traveling 59.3 mph. Unfortunately you can copy from the page and paste, but you can try all sorts of different combinations, including one for Wilton, With a 205/30-20, speedometer reading with non-stock tire is 0.6% too fast. 60 mph reading gives 59.7 actual. The 145/30-22 also works, as does the 215/75-12! :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 21:46:28 -0700 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Unfortunately you can copy from the page and paste, ^^^ It should say, cannot ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Craig wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:37:26 -0800 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Mileage is impacted primarily by the overall diameter of the wheel-and-tire combination. Do the math on the two sizes: 205 mm * 60% = 123 mm sidewall height 195 mm * 65% = 126.75 mm sidewall height 205 mm * 60% * 2 + 381 mm wheel diameter (15 in) = 627 mm overall wheel-and-tire diameter 195 mm * 65% * 2 + 381 mm = 634.5 mm overall wheel-and-tire diameter No need to do the math, just go to http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html I built a spreadsheet quite a while ago. It makes it easy to compare a bunch of different sizes. You didn't think I did the math _manually_ did you?? *chuckle* --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I do it manually. I even do the speedometer gear adjustment calculations based on final drive gearing manually, and they're a good spot harder to deal with! :) Walt, who is enjoying some NY extra-sharp, lightly toasted on split top wheat. On Dec 12, 2010 1:27 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BridgestonetireModel=Potenza+RE960AS+Pole+Positionpartnum=965HR5RE960PPvehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yestab=Survey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I cannot stand the CPC's. They seem very tenderfooted on a W210; if you so much as just miss a pothole, they will slip a belt. Michelin primacy mxv4+ (V rated) work well. Iirc there was advice against oversizing the front tires due to excess wear on the steering gear -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Dec 10, 2010, at 18:34, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Potenzas are okay as long as you don't corner... Or drive when it's wet. Or damp. Or snow/ice. Had 'em. The rear end would break loose in the bat of an eye. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Dec 10, 2010, at 20:53, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BridgestonetireModel=Potenza+RE960AS+Pole+Positionpartnum=965HR5RE960PPvehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yestab=Survey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
Mitch Haley wrote: For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BridgestonetireModel=Potenza+RE960AS+Pole+Positionpartnum=965HR5RE960PPvehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yestab=Survey This reminds me. I'm a bit slow here, but Mitch and his tire-hunting ability found me 205/70R14 General Altimax RT for my 123 TD. What makes these special is the 1635 lb (750 kg) load rating. I haul heavy in my wagon, and there seem to be few 14 inch tires made now with the higher load rating. I'm quite please with the tires. They ride well, handle wet roads well, seem to do fair in the little snow they've seen. Thanks Mitch! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
I have similar BS Potenza tires on my 300D 124. They seem to grip well, but don't look like they will set records for long mileage, but I prefer grip over uber high mile tires the slip when wet and are worthless on snow and ice. I think they are a good all round choice for safety. For $194 plus shipping/mounting, I'd be all over these if I needed tires and didn't see a lot of snow. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BridgestonetireModel=Potenza+RE960AS+Pole+Positionpartnum=965HR5RE960PPvehicleSearch=falsefromCompare1=yestab=Survey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire decision time: 195/65 or 205/60?
These 195 tires are getting to be a problem to find if my experience is any indication. And MBs seem to require a particular load rating due to the general heavy nature and handling requirements, which are even more difficult to find in a 195 (if you follow the rules) for these older cars. 205s seem easier to find for the application, I'm not sure that small difference will make much difference to anything noticeable, but I'm sure there is some aspect to that I am not aware of. --R On 12/10/2010 6:34 PM, Max Dillon wrote: Worn suspension on my '87 wagon has killed the Continental ContiProContact tires after about 40k miles. I'm in the process of rebuilding rear suspension and installing new front struts, and I need to decide which replacement tires to get. Unfortunately Tire Rack had the latest version of the ContiProContact is on back order (195/65R15 in the 91H service rating), so I've spent some time looking for something else. Should I go with the 205/60 tires? It looks like there's more variety and lower prices for that profile tire. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 332k miles '95 E300 277k miles '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
