Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????- UPDATE
A quick tip: If you have access to a metal lathe, or someone who does, take the broken bolt to the lathe and drill a pilot hole through the head and the body of the broken section of the bolt. Use your best judgement as to the size of the pilot drill hole, doesn't have to be large but should be large enough to not break the drill. Then use the broken bolt as a drill guide to drill the exact center of the remaining half of the bolt still in the crankshaft. You will save a lot of effort by having a pilot hole in the broken part still in the shaft. Second drill a little larger, etc until you have the size you need to use the broken bolt extractor. With the bore hole well located in the center, the extractor will work much better and your chance of success will greatly increase. I also suggest the use of Left turn drill bits for the last two or three size increases in the pilot hole.. sometimes the drill pressure will walk the broken part right out as you drill it. All the best success. Grant... On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Find out if it is the same bolt as a 79 300cd non-turbo. If it is I have one. Mike On Aug 12, 2013 9:56 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Good news! We pulled the pulleys and there appears to be no damage to the crankshaft. The 2 keyways are semicircular, the keys are little cylinders about 9mm in diameter and about 10-12 mm long. I've never seen other than rectangular keys before. Apparently once the Belleville washers are gone they just fall out, causing slippage of the pulleys (but saving the keyways on the crank and pulley). The bolt remains will have to be drilled to be pulled. We may be able to get this done on my boy's next day off if I can source a new bolt locally. Thanks again for all the help!!! Greg Get a OE bolt. You want the real thing. It is a stretch bolt. You can by one from a junkyard, someone on the list may have one for free, or try Potomac German, or one of the many vendors in the Star. A quick search for a crankshaft or engine block on car-part.com will give you a long list of junkyards that have the engine. Then you can call them and ask if they will sell you a crank bolt. As last resorts, you can contact a stealership or the classic center. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????- UPDATE
On Aug 12, 2013, at 10:50 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I also suggest the use of Left turn drill bits for the last two or three size increases in the pilot hole.. sometimes the drill pressure will walk the broken part right out as you drill it. What he said. Also, I have had pretty good success using a spring loaded center punch to work out broken bolts. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????- UPDATE
Thanks Grant: I had already decided to make a bushing using my MicroLux 7X16 lathe. If the old bolt head works ok for this, fine. Else I have some CRS 1018 stock to turn to the right OD, then drill from the tailstock drill chuck for the proper clearance hole. I also have a set of LH drill/extractor bits that I plan to use once the pilot hole(s) are drilled. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 8:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt- UPDATE A quick tip: If you have access to a metal lathe, or someone who does, take the broken bolt to the lathe and drill a pilot hole through the head and the body of the broken section of the bolt. Use your best judgement as to the size of the pilot drill hole, doesn't have to be large but should be large enough to not break the drill. Then use the broken bolt as a drill guide to drill the exact center of the remaining half of the bolt still in the crankshaft. You will save a lot of effort by having a pilot hole in the broken part still in the shaft. Second drill a little larger, etc until you have the size you need to use the broken bolt extractor. With the bore hole well located in the center, the extractor will work much better and your chance of success will greatly increase. I also suggest the use of Left turn drill bits for the last two or three size increases in the pilot hole.. sometimes the drill pressure will walk the broken part right out as you drill it. All the best success. Grant... On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Find out if it is the same bolt as a 79 300cd non-turbo. If it is I have one. Mike On Aug 12, 2013 9:56 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Good news! We pulled the pulleys and there appears to be no damage to the crankshaft. The 2 keyways are semicircular, the keys are little cylinders about 9mm in diameter and about 10-12 mm long. I've never seen other than rectangular keys before. Apparently once the Belleville washers are gone they just fall out, causing slippage of the pulleys (but saving the keyways on the crank and pulley). The bolt remains will have to be drilled to be pulled. We may be able to get this done on my boy's next day off if I can source a new bolt locally. Thanks again for all the help!!! Greg Get a OE bolt. You want the real thing. It is a stretch bolt. You can by one from a junkyard, someone on the list may have one for free, or try Potomac German, or one of the many vendors in the Star. A quick search for a crankshaft or engine block on car-part.com will give you a long list of junkyards that have the engine. Then you can call them and ask if they will sell you a crank bolt. As last resorts, you can contact a stealership or the classic center. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D crackhead perhaps
Michael wrote: Interesting, I have never seen a w123 dash with English measurements. Thought they were all Metric. I think the pre-1981 have Imperial units for the temp and pressure. All believe US models have Imperial speedometer. This is based on my observations. Most of my 123s are 1981 or newer, but my '78 and the other older ones I've seen support it. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't know, even with the auto I kept lowering the window and wondering why we are not moving. Hendrik who has a manual Diesel On 04/08/13 01:28, Mountain Man wrote: Hendrik wrote: Hendrik who still has fond memories of the mao mobile I should have let you use the 3-pedal car. Immensely more memorable. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D crackhead perhaps
Considering what those nut jobs who find an tidy up old Merc Diesels are charging, that is not too way out there. Looks pretty original. Hendrik who still has fond memories of the mao mobile On 03/08/13 08:26, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: A customer of mine is trying to sell a 77 240D on consignment. The car looks pretty clean, no rust etc. Has actual leather which I have not seen on a 240D but the drivers seat is cracked etc. He wants $4k for it. Dealer knows the guy is on crack. I told him to tell his seller I might be interested at $1500, but really that is way over my normal limit. http://www.autofind.com/dealer/details/18996/00012312312039636/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D crackhead perhaps
Interesting, I have never seen a w123 dash with English measurements. Thought they were all Metric. Mike On Aug 3, 2013 6:15 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Considering what those nut jobs who find an tidy up old Merc Diesels are charging, that is not too way out there. Looks pretty original. Hendrik who still has fond memories of the mao mobile On 03/08/13 08:26, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: A customer of mine is trying to sell a 77 240D on consignment. The car looks pretty clean, no rust etc. Has actual leather which I have not seen on a 240D but the drivers seat is cracked etc. He wants $4k for it. Dealer knows the guy is on crack. I told him to tell his seller I might be interested at $1500, but really that is way over my normal limit. http://www.autofind.com/**dealer/details/18996/**00012312312039636/http://www.autofind.com/dealer/details/18996/00012312312039636/ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D crackhead perhaps
Hendrik wrote: Hendrik who still has fond memories of the mao mobile I should have let you use the 3-pedal car. Immensely more memorable. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
Is it normal to have 3 washers on this bolt? mike On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: Hi All: My son was driving his 3-pedal 1980 240D ( with about 300K mi.) yesterday when the car began to run warm. Suddenly he heard a loud PLINK, and something falling out of the engine compartment. Then the engine overheated and he began to lose coolant. The following very large (18mm thread) broken 10.9 bolt with 3 thick washers was recovered: http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Aside from running very hot the engine seems to run normally. Does any of you have an idea what happened and where this bolt came from? He will be driving SWMBO's TDI Jetta until we sort this out. TIA, Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
I wondered the same when I first saw it, but found pictures of MB crank bolts online that also had them. Does anyone know why they do this? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Esh Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 4:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt Is it normal to have 3 washers on this bolt? mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I wondered the same when I first saw it, but found pictures of MB crank bolts online that also had them. Does anyone know why they do this? They are Belleville (?) washers. Not flat, they are hardened springs. Stack 'em for more spring travel! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
Yep. They are what is supposed to keep the bolt from getting loose as the engine goes through different temps. Mike On Aug 2, 2013 1:00 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I wondered the same when I first saw it, but found pictures of MB crank bolts online that also had them. Does anyone know why they do this? They are Belleville (?) washers. Not flat, they are hardened springs. Stack 'em for more spring travel! -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D crackhead
A customer of mine is trying to sell a 77 240D on consignment. The car looks pretty clean, no rust etc. Has actual leather which I have not seen on a 240D but the drivers seat is cracked etc. He wants $4k for it. Dealer knows the guy is on crack. I told him to tell his seller I might be interested at $1500, but really that is way over my normal limit. http://www.autofind.com/dealer/details/18996/00012312312039636/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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calling it a 240td and advertising it as having 5 cylinders turns me off almost as much as the price. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: A customer of mine is trying to sell a 77 240D on consignment. The car looks pretty clean, no rust etc. Has actual leather which I have not seen on a 240D but the drivers seat is cracked etc. He wants $4k for it. Dealer knows the guy is on crack. I told him to tell his seller I might be interested at $1500, but really that is way over my normal limit. http://www.autofind.com/**dealer/details/18996/**00012312312039636/http://www.autofind.com/dealer/details/18996/00012312312039636/ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Was thinking the same. Does look clean though. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: calling it a 240td and advertising it as having 5 cylinders turns me off almost as much as the price. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: A customer of mine is trying to sell a 77 240D on consignment. The car looks pretty clean, no rust etc. Has actual leather which I have not seen on a 240D but the drivers seat is cracked etc. He wants $4k for it. Dealer knows the guy is on crack. I told him to tell his seller I might be interested at $1500, but really that is way over my normal limit. http://www.autofind.com/**dealer/details/18996/**00012312312039636/http://www.autofind.com/dealer/details/18996/00012312312039636/ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is because my dumbass employee put the data in wrong. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2013, at 8:19 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Was thinking the same. Does look clean though. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: calling it a 240td and advertising it as having 5 cylinders turns me off almost as much as the price. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: A customer of mine is trying to sell a 77 240D on consignment. The car looks pretty clean, no rust etc. Has actual leather which I have not seen on a 240D but the drivers seat is cracked etc. He wants $4k for it. Dealer knows the guy is on crack. I told him to tell his seller I might be interested at $1500, but really that is way over my normal limit. http://www.autofind.com/**dealer/details/18996/**00012312312039636/http://www.autofind.com/dealer/details/18996/00012312312039636/ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars * *www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
Hi All: My son was driving his 3-pedal 1980 240D ( with about 300K mi.) yesterday when the car began to run warm. Suddenly he heard a loud PLINK, and something falling out of the engine compartment. Then the engine overheated and he began to lose coolant. The following very large (18mm thread) broken 10.9 bolt with 3 thick washers was recovered: http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Aside from running very hot the engine seems to run normally. Does any of you have an idea what happened and where this bolt came from? He will be driving SWMBO's TDI Jetta until we sort this out. TIA, Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
Hi All: My son was driving his 3-pedal 1980 240D ( with about 300K mi.) yesterday when the car began to run warm. Suddenly he heard a loud PLINK, and something falling out of the engine compartment. Then the engine overheated and he began to lose coolant. The following very large (18mm thread) broken 10.9 bolt with 3 thick washers was recovered: http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Aside from running very hot the engine seems to run normally. Does any of you have an idea what happened and where this bolt came from? He will be driving SWMBO's TDI Jetta until we sort this out. TIA, Greg Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the crankshaft. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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As well as the pulley that drives all the belts, hence no water pump, fan, alternator, AC, power steering, etc. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All: My son was driving his 3-pedal 1980 240D ( with about 300K mi.) yesterday when the car began to run warm. Suddenly he heard a loud PLINK, and something falling out of the engine compartment. Then the engine overheated and he began to lose coolant. The following very large (18mm thread) broken 10.9 bolt with 3 thick washers was recovered: http://my.opera.com/gfior/**albums/show.dml?id=14664462http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Aside from running very hot the engine seems to run normally. Does any of you have an idea what happened and where this bolt came from? He will be driving SWMBO's TDI Jetta until we sort this out. TIA, Greg Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the crankshaft. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
Greg wrote: http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Aside from running very hot the engine seems to run normally. Does any of you have an idea what happened and where this bolt came from? Dieselhead wrote: Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the crankshaft. Yup. And sheered off. Doesn't explain the running hot, though. Not until the damper falls off and so there is no drive pulley. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sheared off. On Aug 1, 2013 1:58 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Greg wrote: http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Aside from running very hot the engine seems to run normally. Does any of you have an idea what happened and where this bolt came from? Dieselhead wrote: Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the crankshaft. Yup. And sheered off. Doesn't explain the running hot, though. Not until the damper falls off and so there is no drive pulley. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Dieselhead wrote: Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the crankshaft. I was thinking (but hoping not) that would not only be the only fastener as large as that, but that would also account for the poor cooling. It sounds like it might be a PITA to change out. Anyone BTDT? Tips and tricks? Pull radiator first? Replace with even higher grade bolt (if available)? Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Unless the key is sheared and the pulley is slipping. If this is the case, a good fix is a new engine. A chancy fix is epoxy. The keyway in the crank is normally destroyed in this case. So sad. From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt Greg wrote: http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Aside from running very hot the engine seems to run normally. Does any of you have an idea what happened and where this bolt came from? Dieselhead wrote: Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the crankshaft. Yup. And sheered off. Doesn't explain the running hot, though. Not until the damper falls off and so there is no drive pulley. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Dieselhead wrote: Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the crankshaft. I was thinking (but hoping not) that would not only be the only fastener as large as that, but that would also account for the poor cooling. It sounds like it might be a PITA to change out. Anyone BTDT? Tips and tricks? Pull radiator first? Replace with even higher grade bolt (if available)? Greg yep, I had one snap off. I was able to stick a small screwdriver in and turn the stub out. If there is not enough of a burr on the stub, then you have to take out the radiator for sure. You didn't say if you lost coolant because the radiator stopped cooling (no fan) or or if you lost coolant because the bolt went through the radiator or a hose. When it happened to my car, the whole damper pulley assembly was hanging on the belts. SWMBO was smart enough to pull off, and then got a tow to a gas station off the interstate. I fixed it in one trip and maybe an hour or so laying on the ground, then SWMBO drove off to finish the trip. If you can't turn out the stub, then you probably need a right angle drill and a left hand drill bit and maybe an easy out. I'd think a 1/4 or 5/16 left hand drill would be big enough to turn the stub out. You cant get in there with a regular elect. drill (reversible) even with the radiator out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
Unless the key is sheared and the pulley is slipping. If this is the case, a good fix is a new engine. A chancy fix is epoxy. The keyway in the crank is normally destroyed in this case. So sad. IF the bolt was loose and the damper chattered around, you are correct. In my case, the bolt snapped, and the damper came off without chewing up anything. The engine is still running fine, maybe 15 years later. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
You can do it with everything in place. It's not a bad job actually, but I think you may need to make a tool or two. I don't remember the actual torque value, but it's in the 400 pound-foot range. First off you'll have to pull the whole mess off, belts and all, and assess the damage in the keyway. Else you're wasting time IMO. After that, putting it all back together is not so bad. If you must, pull the radiator. It's a simple pull, coupla oil lines maybe, two hoses, and two bolts. rubber fitting up thingys at top make it easy. I think you said three pedal, so no oil lines.. ( tranny cooler ) .. You can get to the bolt w/o pulling the radiator, that's how I used to check timing chain stretch.. 27MM deepwell and a long 1/2 inch drive.. Then bolt it back up. The tool you'll need is a crankshaft rotational stopper. Hursty uses a big yacht, and a comealong tied from the stern to the front bumper. Put the car in gear and torque away. I prefer a piece of keystock welded to a bracket in such a manner as to be able to bolt it on the rear of the engine bell housing area and have it stick thru to the gear teeth in the starter gear on flywheel viewed thru the inspection port. I have such an animal in my tool box, but that does you no good unless you're in the charlotte NC area. Needless to say it has to be pretty beefy. You can also do stuff like cram a screwdriver and whatever else needed in the same hole to make the engine not turn. Catch the gear teeth just so, hold and crank. It takes two people, and since I only have one in my shop I use the home made tool. I guess I could email a picture of it if you really want one. Richard From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Dieselhead wrote: Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the crankshaft. I was thinking (but hoping not) that would not only be the only fastener as large as that, but that would also account for the poor cooling. It sounds like it might be a PITA to change out. Anyone BTDT? Tips and tricks? Pull radiator first? Replace with even higher grade bolt (if available)? Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
My buddy's Honda chewed the slot up to a round dent in the crank. Hard to do, I thought. Figured it'd chip out. But it rounded out the crank and chewed up the damper. Now we have the difference between a ricer and a stately Mercedes.. the Mercedes has enough common decency to fail in a manner that makes the owner love it (c: .. Richard From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt Unless the key is sheared and the pulley is slipping. If this is the case, a good fix is a new engine. A chancy fix is epoxy. The keyway in the crank is normally destroyed in this case. So sad. IF the bolt was loose and the damper chattered around, you are correct. In my case, the bolt snapped, and the damper came off without chewing up anything. The engine is still running fine, maybe 15 years later. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
Vib damper on my '80 240D was poorly secured with 5 or 6 smaller bolts; some came out; others sheared; damper and pulley finally came off and dropped SWMBO on road; long distance truck driver gave her lift to a phone. 'Think the car had about 60 kmi then - my second MB disappointment; first was when exhaust pipe broke apart at rear end of muffler at 40 kmi. Third was when timing chain in '91 350SDL broke at 89 kmi. Wilton - Original Message - From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Dieselhead wrote: Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the crankshaft. I was thinking (but hoping not) that would not only be the only fastener as large as that, but that would also account for the poor cooling. It sounds like it might be a PITA to change out. Anyone BTDT? Tips and tricks? Pull radiator first? Replace with even higher grade bolt (if available)? Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
A chancy fix is epoxy. How about (if the key is sheared) braze or hard silver solder a new key onto the crankshaft? Or use some super-duper Loctite on the key as well as the pulley/crankshaft joint? I suspect these would be stronger in a small gap than epoxy. I read that specialized Loctite types are used in some surprisingly high-stress applications. A new engine would be very hard on his finances. What would cause this failure? Bolt torque/stretched too far? If a repair is possible (key NOT sheared or keyway usable) is this likely to happen again? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hattaway Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 12:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt Unless the key is sheared and the pulley is slipping. If this is the case, a good fix is a new engine. A chancy fix is epoxy. The keyway in the crank is normally destroyed in this case. So sad. From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt Greg wrote: http://my.opera.com/gfior/albums/show.dml?id=14664462 Aside from running very hot the engine seems to run normally. Does any of you have an idea what happened and where this bolt came from? Dieselhead wrote: Crankshaft bolt. Holds the vibration damper on the crankshaft. Yup. And sheered off. Doesn't explain the running hot, though. Not until the damper falls off and so there is no drive pulley. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
Greg Fiorentino wrote: A chancy fix is epoxy. How about (if the key is sheared) braze or hard silver solder a new key onto the crankshaft? Or use some super-duper Loctite on the key as well as the pulley/crankshaft joint? I suspect these would be stronger in a small gap than epoxy. I read that specialized Loctite types are used in some surprisingly high-stress applications. I was thinking use a keyway file to open the slots up to the next larger (maybe in sized in inches) key. If you can't save the keyway, I'd spot weld it in place with an arc welder. Heating the whole crank nose to soldering or brazing temps won't be easy and will heat up things like bearings and seals too. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 01/08/2013 2:18 PM, Richard Hattaway wrote: You can do it with everything in place. It's not a bad job actually, but I think you may need to make a tool or two. I don't remember the actual torque value, but it's in the 400 pound-foot range. First off you'll have to pull the whole mess off, belts and all, and assess the damage in the keyway. Else you're wasting time IMO. After that, putting it all back together is not so bad. If you must, pull the radiator. It's a simple pull, coupla oil lines maybe, two hoses, and two bolts. rubber fitting up thingys at top make it easy. I think you said three pedal, so no oil lines.. ( tranny cooler ) .. You can get to the bolt w/o pulling the radiator, that's how I used to check timing chain stretch.. 27MM deepwell and a long 1/2 inch drive.. Then bolt it back up. The tool you'll need is a crankshaft rotational stopper. Hursty uses a big yacht, and a comealong tied from the stern to the front bumper. Put the car in gear and torque away. I prefer a piece of keystock welded to a bracket in such a manner as to be able to bolt it on the rear of the engine bell housing area and have it stick thru to the gear teeth in the starter gear on flywheel viewed thru the inspection port. I have such an animal in my tool box, but that does you no good unless you're in the charlotte NC area. Needless to say it has to be pretty beefy. You can also do stuff like cram a screwdriver and whatever else needed in the same hole to make the engine not turn. Catch the gear teeth just so, hold and crank. It takes two people, and since I only have one in my shop I use the home made tool. I guess I could email a picture of it if you really want one. Richard We made one when we pulled the bolt on the old 4Runner last summer to replace the head gaskets etc. Basically a steel plate with a hole in the middle to put the socket on the rattle gun through and smaller holes to bolt to the dampener in the spots intended for the bolts that hold the pulley onto the dampener and a steel bar arm that is long enough to sit on the frame rail. You need a big torque wrench for 400 foot pounds. I bought a 3/4 drive wrench that is about 4 feet long. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
My buddy's Honda chewed the slot up to a round dent in the crank. Hard to do, I thought. Figured it'd chip out. But it rounded out the crank and chewed up the damper. Now we have the difference between a ricer and a stately Mercedes.. the Mercedes has enough common decency to fail in a manner that makes the owner love it (c: .. Richard Prezackly! Who wants a ricer anyhow? My one (1) honda had crappy bolts that broke off rather than loosen. Then I got a broken BMW R50 and the bolts were SO GOOD it was a pleasure to work on it. They let off an audible crack when they loosened. Never wanted any more rice burners after that. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
We made one when we pulled the bolt on the old 4Runner last summer to replace the head gaskets etc. Basically a steel plate with a hole in the middle to put the socket on the rattle gun through and smaller holes to bolt to the dampener in the spots intended for the bolts that hold the pulley onto the dampener and a steel bar arm that is long enough to sit on the frame rail. You need a big torque wrench for 400 foot pounds. I bought a 3/4 drive wrench that is about 4 feet long. Randy 400 ft. lb.? Bah! put a long 1/2 breaker bar on it and tighten it snug. I never had one come out in 40 years of working on MB diesels. (not that it couldn't)Put 80 on it and it will stay put. 400 ft lb likely WILL pop the bolt or cause a fracture that leads to this kind of failure. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
Vib damper on my '80 240D was poorly secured with 5 or 6 smaller bolts; some came out; others sheared; damper and pulley finally came off and dropped SWMBO on road; long distance truck driver gave her lift to a phone. 'Think the car had about 60 kmi then - my second MB disappointment; first was when exhaust pipe broke apart at rear end of muffler at 40 kmi. Third was when timing chain in '91 350SDL broke at 89 kmi. Wilton Yeah, I had that happen too. Fortunately, I was able to turn those stubs out from below also. 6 bolts 8mm x 25 or 30 mm bolts. Not sure about the length. could be 35. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What would cause this failure? Fatigue Bolt torque/stretched too far? probably not, but possible If a repair is possible (key NOT sheared or keyway usable) is this likely to happen again? maybe after another 200k miles plus, or if the new bolts are not as good as the old ones. That is a hardened bolt. Hardening steel is as much art as science. It could just be a little material that caused a different crystal structure when the bolt was made. could be one in 1000 or one in 100,000. I'd just replace the bolt and not worry about it. If the shaft is chewed up, then go for the locktite. What do you have to lose? Or loosen? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 01/08/2013 4:05 PM, Dieselhead wrote: We made one when we pulled the bolt on the old 4Runner last summer to replace the head gaskets etc. Basically a steel plate with a hole in the middle to put the socket on the rattle gun through and smaller holes to bolt to the dampener in the spots intended for the bolts that hold the pulley onto the dampener and a steel bar arm that is long enough to sit on the frame rail. You need a big torque wrench for 400 foot pounds. I bought a 3/4 drive wrench that is about 4 feet long. Randy 400 ft. lb.? Bah! put a long 1/2 breaker bar on it and tighten it snug. I never had one come out in 40 years of working on MB diesels. (not that it couldn't)Put 80 on it and it will stay put. 400 ft lb likely WILL pop the bolt or cause a fracture that leads to this kind of failure. ___ Hey come on --- this is an excuse to buy another toy. Tell the wife you need it and cannot fix the car without etc. I have no idea what the recommended torque value is. I was just commenting on the ealier post that suggested 400 ft #. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:19:16 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have no idea what the recommended torque value is. I was just commenting on the ealier post that suggested 400 ft #. Well, it's high, but it is not 400 ft-lb, which will indeed break things. IIRC, it's something like 225 - 250 ft-lb. All my manuals are packed away, or I would look it up. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
Craig, how's your healing going? Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:19:16 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have no idea what the recommended torque value is. I was just commenting on the ealier post that suggested 400 ft #. Well, it's high, but it is not 400 ft-lb, which will indeed break things. IIRC, it's something like 225 - 250 ft-lb. All my manuals are packed away, or I would look it up. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
According to Haynes :- 270-330 Nm or 199-244 Ft-lbs. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:19:16 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have no idea what the recommended torque value is. I was just commenting on the ealier post that suggested 400 ft #. Well, it's high, but it is not 400 ft-lb, which will indeed break things. IIRC, it's something like 225 - 250 ft-lb. All my manuals are packed away, or I would look it up. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The book says 270-330 Nm (200-244 ft lb). http://pt709.synology.me/03-340.pdf -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:19:16 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have no idea what the recommended torque value is. I was just commenting on the ealier post that suggested 400 ft #. Well, it's high, but it is not 400 ft-lb, which will indeed break things. IIRC, it's something like 225 - 250 ft-lb. All my manuals are packed away, or I would look it up. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt????
Thanks to all who replied. ALL of the hints and ideas sound good to me. It'll be a week or so before I have the time dig in to this. The 400 lb. ft. sounded strange to me. I do have a torque wrench that goes up to 250 or 300, but couldn't find any 400s online even. I'll let y'all know how this progresses. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 4:06 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt The book says 270-330 Nm (200-244 ft lb). http://pt709.synology.me/03-340.pdf -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 6:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Mystery Bolt On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:19:16 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have no idea what the recommended torque value is. I was just commenting on the ealier post that suggested 400 ft #. Well, it's high, but it is not 400 ft-lb, which will indeed break things. IIRC, it's something like 225 - 250 ft-lb. All my manuals are packed away, or I would look it up. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D success!
At 1:15 PM -0700 7/13/13, Curt Raymond wrote: Then I found a pivot point that also levers out in the wrong direction. I guess it needs a new bushing. Had a similar issue with a 450SEL once, but I made the discovery whilst broken down on the side of the interstate. I wound up putting a small wrench socket in place of the bushing and was able to make it to my destination and back home afterwards... ;) Anyway it looks like the Phoenix is rising once again. Good show! -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D success!
So I've been keeping quiet about this because I didn't want to jinx myself but last weekend I retorqued the head bolts on my '78 240D. You'll remember thats the one where the exhaust was blowing the coolant back out of the engine. Some of the bolts were still tight but some needed a little more, some needed as much as 1/8 turn. With them all tightened to spec the engine seems content to keep the wet stuff inside where it belongs. I drove it a few miles to prove that worked and then parked it, the engine seemed to idle rough cold and some valves tapped threateningly. Today I tried adjusting the valves, I'll not try that again until I get a proper set of wrenches... I found the intakes all slightly loose (0.13mm) except for one that was perfect. The exhausts were all slightly tight (0.25-0.28mm). Considering the rough adjustment I was capable of I decided I'd loosen the tight exhaust valves and leave the loose intakes where they were, even then the adjustment took me right on 2 hours, most of that was farting around not knowing what I was doing. Apparently the tight exhaust valves were the cause of my noise as its gone but the car still seems under powered even for a 240D. I took it for a 20 mile run at speeds up to 60mph with the AC blowing ice cold most of the time except when I didn't have power to climb hills. By the time I got home it was definitely running better and had more power but still not enough. When Angie got home I had her work the pedal while I observed the linkage. This car has a spring thing in the linkage from the pedal which I don't understand the point of. I guess its to stop from forcing a linkage thats stuck. Anyway it appears to have lost its sproing because it wasn't pushing the linkage sufficiently. With the pedal on the floor we were only getting about 1/2 travel to the stop, I suppose that explains why the car always felt down on power. I put a hose clamp on the moving bit so it can't move and that got about 1/2 the missing travel back. Then I found a pivot point that also levers out in the wrong direction. I guess it needs a new bushing. With no new bushing to put in but lots of pedal travel that doesn't do anything (the first 1/8 of travel accomplishes nothing) I adjusted the other linkages so that now the lever at the IP goes all the way to the stop. I've yet to make a test run but it seems like a reasonable idea... Anyway it looks like the Phoenix is rising once again. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D success!
ATTABOY!!! This is a manual tranny car isn't it? If so, the spring loaded thing in the accelerator linkage is to help prevent bunny hops when starting from a dead stop - usually a problem for those not accomplished at driving a standard, IIRC. On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: So I've been keeping quiet about this because I didn't want to jinx myself but last weekend I retorqued the head bolts on my '78 240D. You'll remember thats the one where the exhaust was blowing the coolant back out of the engine. Some of the bolts were still tight but some needed a little more, some needed as much as 1/8 turn. With them all tightened to spec the engine seems content to keep the wet stuff inside where it belongs. I drove it a few miles to prove that worked and then parked it, the engine seemed to idle rough cold and some valves tapped threateningly. Today I tried adjusting the valves, I'll not try that again until I get a proper set of wrenches... I found the intakes all slightly loose (0.13mm) except for one that was perfect. The exhausts were all slightly tight (0.25-0.28mm). Considering the rough adjustment I was capable of I decided I'd loosen the tight exhaust valves and leave the loose intakes where they were, even then the adjustment took me right on 2 hours, most of that was farting around not knowing what I was doing. Apparently the tight exhaust valves were the cause of my noise as its gone but the car still seems under powered even for a 240D. I took it for a 20 mile run at speeds up to 60mph with the AC blowing ice cold most of the time except when I didn't have power to climb hills. By the time I got home it was definitely running better and had more power but still not enough. When Angie got home I had her work the pedal while I observed the linkage. This car has a spring thing in the linkage from the pedal which I don't understand the point of. I guess its to stop from forcing a linkage thats stuck. Anyway it appears to have lost its sproing because it wasn't pushing the linkage sufficiently. With the pedal on the floor we were only getting about 1/2 travel to the stop, I suppose that explains why the car always felt down on power. I put a hose clamp on the moving bit so it can't move and that got about 1/2 the missing travel back. Then I found a pivot point that also levers out in the wrong direction. I guess it needs a new bushing. With no new bushing to put in but lots of pedal travel that doesn't do anything (the first 1/8 of travel accomplishes nothing) I adjusted the other linkages so that now the lever at the IP goes all the way to the stop. I've yet to make a test run but it seems like a reasonable idea... Anyway it looks like the Phoenix is rising once again. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D success!
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With no new bushing to put in but lots of pedal travel that doesn't do anything (the first 1/8 of travel accomplishes nothing) I adjusted the other linkages so that now the lever at the IP goes all the way to the stop. I've yet to make a test run but it seems like a reasonable idea... It certainly does seem like a reasonable idea. If the IP lever doesn't go all the way to the stop, you are not getting full power. Anyway it looks like the Phoenix is rising once again. Ye! (I'll let Wilton chime in with his approbation.) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D success!
ATTABOY acomin'. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: [MBZ] 240D success! So I've been keeping quiet about this because I didn't want to jinx myself but last weekend I retorqued the head bolts on my '78 240D. You'll remember thats the one where the exhaust was blowing the coolant back out of the engine. Some of the bolts were still tight but some needed a little more, some needed as much as 1/8 turn. With them all tightened to spec the engine seems content to keep the wet stuff inside where it belongs. I drove it a few miles to prove that worked and then parked it, the engine seemed to idle rough cold and some valves tapped threateningly. Today I tried adjusting the valves, I'll not try that again until I get a proper set of wrenches... I found the intakes all slightly loose (0.13mm) except for one that was perfect. The exhausts were all slightly tight (0.25-0.28mm). Considering the rough adjustment I was capable of I decided I'd loosen the tight exhaust valves and leave the loose intakes where they were, even then the adjustment took me right on 2 hours, most of that was farting around not knowing what I was doing. Apparently the tight exhaust valves were the cause of my noise as its gone but the car still seems under powered even for a 240D. I took it for a 20 mile run at speeds up to 60mph with the AC blowing ice cold most of the time except when I didn't have power to climb hills. By the time I got home it was definitely running better and had more power but still not enough. When Angie got home I had her work the pedal while I observed the linkage. This car has a spring thing in the linkage from the pedal which I don't understand the point of. I guess its to stop from forcing a linkage thats stuck. Anyway it appears to have lost its sproing because it wasn't pushing the linkage sufficiently. With the pedal on the floor we were only getting about 1/2 travel to the stop, I suppose that explains why the car always felt down on power. I put a hose clamp on the moving bit so it can't move and that got about 1/2 the missing travel back. Then I found a pivot point that also levers out in the wrong direction. I guess it needs a new bushing. With no new bushing to put in but lots of pedal travel that doesn't do anything (the first 1/8 of travel accomplishes nothing) I adjusted the other linkages so that now the lever at the IP goes all the way to the stop. I've yet to make a test run but it seems like a reasonable idea... Anyway it looks like the Phoenix is rising once again. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D success!
'First thing I did to my 123's and 126 when I got 'em home was to remove that stiff coil spring in the throttle linage immediately behind the engine that made the accelerator operation really stiff. Yeah, yeah, I know, if MB engineers hadn't thought it was necessary, they wouldn't have put it there. I think I have 3 little-used ones (one brand new) down in basement somewhere. 'Only difference I can tell for the last 34 years is that it's been a lot easier on my right leg. 'Didn't notice the stiffness problem on the 124. Thinking about it more; not sure the 126 had one. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D success! ATTABOY!!! This is a manual tranny car isn't it? If so, the spring loaded thing in the accelerator linkage is to help prevent bunny hops when starting from a dead stop - usually a problem for those not accomplished at driving a standard, IIRC. On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: So I've been keeping quiet about this because I didn't want to jinx myself but last weekend I retorqued the head bolts on my '78 240D. You'll remember thats the one where the exhaust was blowing the coolant back out of the engine. Some of the bolts were still tight but some needed a little more, some needed as much as 1/8 turn. With them all tightened to spec the engine seems content to keep the wet stuff inside where it belongs. I drove it a few miles to prove that worked and then parked it, the engine seemed to idle rough cold and some valves tapped threateningly. Today I tried adjusting the valves, I'll not try that again until I get a proper set of wrenches... I found the intakes all slightly loose (0.13mm) except for one that was perfect. The exhausts were all slightly tight (0.25-0.28mm). Considering the rough adjustment I was capable of I decided I'd loosen the tight exhaust valves and leave the loose intakes where they were, even then the adjustment took me right on 2 hours, most of that was farting around not knowing what I was doing. Apparently the tight exhaust valves were the cause of my noise as its gone but the car still seems under powered even for a 240D. I took it for a 20 mile run at speeds up to 60mph with the AC blowing ice cold most of the time except when I didn't have power to climb hills. By the time I got home it was definitely running better and had more power but still not enough. When Angie got home I had her work the pedal while I observed the linkage. This car has a spring thing in the linkage from the pedal which I don't understand the point of. I guess its to stop from forcing a linkage thats stuck. Anyway it appears to have lost its sproing because it wasn't pushing the linkage sufficiently. With the pedal on the floor we were only getting about 1/2 travel to the stop, I suppose that explains why the car always felt down on power. I put a hose clamp on the moving bit so it can't move and that got about 1/2 the missing travel back. Then I found a pivot point that also levers out in the wrong direction. I guess it needs a new bushing. With no new bushing to put in but lots of pedal travel that doesn't do anything (the first 1/8 of travel accomplishes nothing) I adjusted the other linkages so that now the lever at the IP goes all the way to the stop. I've yet to make a test run but it seems like a reasonable idea... Anyway it looks like the Phoenix is rising once again. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D success!
Seems to have worked too, I just took the car for 10 more miles and it behaved much more like it ought to, had all the get up and go I'd expect for 72hp. I even ran the AC for the whole time and it still managed to climb the hill to get back home. I have to go to California tomorrow, when I get back I'll spend some time looking into the bushing on that pivot... -Curt Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 14:45:02 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D success! Message-ID: 20130713144502.219065d9050e046f07d4b...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With no new bushing to put in but lots of pedal travel that doesn't do anything (the first 1/8 of travel accomplishes nothing) I adjusted the other linkages so that now the lever at the IP goes all the way to the stop. I've yet to make a test run but it seems like a reasonable idea... It certainly does seem like a reasonable idea. If the IP lever doesn't go all the way to the stop, you are not getting full power. Anyway it looks like the Phoenix is rising once again. Ye! (I'll let Wilton chime in with his approbation.) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D success!
ATTAboy! Those linkages are not complex, but if the bellcrank bushing under the intake manifold is worn, your go pedal won't make it go! So I've been keeping quiet about this because I didn't want to jinx myself but last weekend I retorqued the head bolts on my '78 240D. You'll remember thats the one where the exhaust was blowing the coolant back out of the engine. Some of the bolts were still tight but some needed a little more, some needed as much as 1/8 turn. With them all tightened to spec the engine seems content to keep the wet stuff inside where it belongs. I drove it a few miles to prove that worked and then parked it, the engine seemed to idle rough cold and some valves tapped threateningly. Today I tried adjusting the valves, I'll not try that again until I get a proper set of wrenches... I found the intakes all slightly loose (0.13mm) except for one that was perfect. The exhausts were all slightly tight (0.25-0.28mm). Considering the rough adjustment I was capable of I decided I'd loosen the tight exhaust valves and leave the loose intakes where they were, even then the adjustment took me right on 2 hours, most of that was farting around not knowing what I was doing. Apparently the tight exhaust valves were the cause of my noise as its gone but the car still seems under powered even for a 240D. I took it for a 20 mile run at speeds up to 60mph with the AC blowing ice cold most of the time except when I didn't have power to climb hills. By the time I got home it was definitely running better and had more power but still not enough. When Angie got home I had her work the pedal while I observed the linkage. This car has a spring thing in the linkage from the pedal which I don't understand the point of. I guess its to stop from forcing a linkage thats stuck. Anyway it appears to have lost its sproing because it wasn't pushing the linkage sufficiently. With the pedal on the floor we were only getting about 1/2 travel to the stop, I suppose that explains why the car always felt down on power. I put a hose clamp on the moving bit so it can't move and that got about 1/2 the missing travel back. Then I found a pivot point that also levers out in the wrong direction. I guess it needs a new bushing. With no new bushing to put in but lots of pedal travel that doesn't do anything (the first 1/8 of travel accomplishes nothing) I adjusted the other linkages so that now the lever at the IP goes all the way to the stop. I've yet to make a test run but it seems like a reasonable idea... Anyway it looks like the Phoenix is rising once again. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D success!
Or you could drive it to California and really see how good of a job you did:) Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Seems to have worked too, I just took the car for 10 more miles and it behaved much more like it ought to, had all the get up and go I'd expect for 72hp. I even ran the AC for the whole time and it still managed to climb the hill to get back home. I have to go to California tomorrow, when I get back I'll spend some time looking into the bushing on that pivot... -Curt Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 14:45:02 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D success! Message-ID: 20130713144502.219065d9050e046f07d4b...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With no new bushing to put in but lots of pedal travel that doesn't do anything (the first 1/8 of travel accomplishes nothing) I adjusted the other linkages so that now the lever at the IP goes all the way to the stop. I've yet to make a test run but it seems like a reasonable idea... It certainly does seem like a reasonable idea. If the IP lever doesn't go all the way to the stop, you are not getting full power. Anyway it looks like the Phoenix is rising once again. Ye! (I'll let Wilton chime in with his approbation.) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D
1980 240D - chocolate brown with white - (parchment?) upholstery manual transmission and hand crank windows advertised locally with about 235K miles on it photos look nice no mention of AC so that might be bad news reasonable price? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D
Condition is everything. My '78 was the opposite of that one, white outside chocolate brown interior. I paid $1500 with maybe 10k fewer miles and non-working AC that just needed a hose and a drier. Today prices are higher, $1500 doesn't buy a car that will pass MA inspection, for that you're looking at $2500... I looked at a Jetta TDI a few weeks ago, he was asking $3500, it needs some work. Turn signal lenses and a few little things (glow plugs) to pass inspection, has a little rust. Worse its got a turbo whine I think means the turbo is packing up. I got him down to $3000 but he wouldn't go a penny less. I walked. I test drove a 2001 Saab 93, they want $1500. It starts and runs good, radio doesn't work at all. CEL on, parking brake indicator on, brake wear indicator on, no parking brake at all, some rust. I probably coulda had it for $1200 but walked... Based on that I suspect I could still sell my 240D (once the head/headgasket issue is worked out) for $1000, I suspect my 190D is now around $3k (I paid $250). -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:37:34 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 240D Message-ID: 51e030ce.8070...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 1980 240D - chocolate brown with white - (parchment?) upholstery manual transmission and hand crank windows advertised locally with about 235K miles on it photos look nice no mention of AC so that might be bad news reasonable price? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Turn signal stalk
At 8:29 PM -0700 7/10/13, clay wrote: Yes. Sorry for the late reply. I did the job on Gump and the stalk stayed put. I have a trio of stalks that are almost tight, but slip at times. A tiny filing at the ends and the middle stops to make it more defined will help. Just be careful to not go too far, as then the stalk gets stuck And I've done the same operation on 114/115 stalks. Moto tool and small end mill does the job, judiciously applied. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Turn signal stalk
Yes. Sorry for the late reply. I did the job on Gump and the stalk stayed put. I have a trio of stalks that are almost tight, but slip at times. A tiny filing at the ends and the middle stops to make it more defined will help. Just be careful to not go too far, as then the stalk gets stuck clay On Jul 1, 2013, at 1:12 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Can the turn signal stalk on a 78 240D be repaired-as in, is it eligible to have the detents filed? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D no start
So if battery was bad then why wouldn't it even crank with battery charger set 225A start mode. Why did it initially crank with battery charger and now not? Somebody once told me that it takes more like 1000A to crank one of these diesels over, if it's on the cold side. -- Jim When I worked at the univ, the campus cops used to provide a free jump. Well one very cold day the 240D would not crank fast enough. So the cop get out of the car with one of those flashlight battery car starter things. I told him that won't work, you need real jumper cables. He insisted it would work. So I said ok and he hooked it up. It didn't work and made no difference. I was kind of disappointed that it didn't melt into a blob. To Jim's point, a bad battery in a diesel will generally not start on jumper cables unless they are 00 to cable. I have never had one start on a charger, unless the charger was left on long enough to charge the battery. Moral of the story: Put a new battery in you Diesel ever few years. take the old one and put it in the 107 SL or some other gasser where it can live out its old age. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D no start
Nearly 30 years ago, late on a Fri afternoon, SWMBO and I headed out on trip to Charlotte, 'bout 3½ hours away in our 80 240D. Stopped for fuel about 20 mi away; got back in car - no start. A farmer was at pump in front of me; I asked him, Please, Sir. do you have jumper cables? Can you give me a jump, please? He glanced at the 240D and said, Ain't dat a Diesel? I cain't start no Diesel! Dat thang's 24 volts! I cain't start no Diesel! Tried to tell 'im, Yes, its a Diesel, but it's 12 volts just like your truck; all it needs is just a touch; it starts easily; If the cables are good, it'll start it. Reply, as he got in his truck to leave, Naw, I cain't start no Diesel! Dat thang's 24 volts! As he started and began to roll away, I said, We'll thank you, Sir, you obviously know 'all' about it. Rushed to Sears and got new bat. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D no start So if battery was bad then why wouldn't it even crank with battery charger set 225A start mode. Why did it initially crank with battery charger and now not? Somebody once told me that it takes more like 1000A to crank one of these diesels over, if it's on the cold side. -- Jim When I worked at the univ, the campus cops used to provide a free jump. Well one very cold day the 240D would not crank fast enough. So the cop get out of the car with one of those flashlight battery car starter things. I told him that won't work, you need real jumper cables. He insisted it would work. So I said ok and he hooked it up. It didn't work and made no difference. I was kind of disappointed that it didn't melt into a blob. To Jim's point, a bad battery in a diesel will generally not start on jumper cables unless they are 00 to cable. I have never had one start on a charger, unless the charger was left on long enough to charge the battery. Moral of the story: Put a new battery in you Diesel ever few years. take the old one and put it in the 107 SL or some other gasser where it can live out its old age. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D no start
Dieselhead wrote: Moral of the story: Put a new battery in you Diesel ever few years. take the old one and put it in the 107 SL or some other gasser where it can live out its old age. About the only diesel left in my fleet is the lawnmower. I guess I could rig a battery box for it, though I think the ring-gear alternator will be stressed trying to change it. Oh, and the chainsaw, but that doesn't use a battery. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D no start
Drove into Autozone with a dead battery around 8:30 pm, turned off engine, and went inside to buy a new one. The two sweet young ladies would not install a new one because it was dribbling rain off and on. I asked for a jump and they brought out a small hand-held battery pack. I said I didn't think it would start a diesel. Lo and behold, it did very quickly. Still can't explain it since jumps from other cars have failed in the past even though I have heavy cables. Would NIMH batteries be putting out that much more current than lead acid? That's the only explanation I can think of. Gerry From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com So if battery was bad then why wouldn't it even crank with battery charger set 225A start mode. Why did it initially crank with battery charger and now not? Somebody once told me that it takes more like 1000A to crank one of these diesels over, if it's on the cold side. -- Jim When I worked at the univ, the campus cops used to provide a free jump. Well one very cold day the 240D would not crank fast enough. So the cop get out of the car with one of those flashlight battery car starter things. I told him that won't work, you need real jumper cables. He insisted it would work. So I said ok and he hooked it up. It didn't work and made no difference. I was kind of disappointed that it didn't melt into a blob. To Jim's point, a bad battery in a diesel will generally not start on jumper cables unless they are 00 to cable. I have never had one start on a charger, unless the charger was left on long enough to charge the battery. Moral of the story: Put a new battery in you Diesel ever few years. take the old one and put it in the 107 SL or some other gasser where it can live out its old age. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5965 - Release Date: 07/04/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
Ok. I was thinking about CLP...not LPS..CLP is for guns and such. We don't have LPS here. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 11:34 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Michael wrote: In a harsh environment like that the wd-40 is better. It displaces the water and leaves a protective barrier. Your LPS will not work as well. Wow. Bold statement, especially without specifying _which_ LPS product. LPS3 is a waxy oil stuff that is very good at protecting from rust, and good at keeping moving parts moving. In my experience, WD-40 is vastly inferior at providing a protective coating. Again, in my experience LPS2 is a superior lubricant compared to WD-40. I'm not sure how they compare for long term protection because I use LPS3 for that job. LPS1 is a dry lubricate once the carrier evaporates. I does not cause dust to stick, so is suitable for things like the 40ft telescoping pneumatic masts. It doesn't gum up like WD-40, and in my experience lubricates at least as well. I use WD-40 to kill wasps on their nests and to displace water in ignition systems. It works well for those jobs, but I personally wouldn't use it for any task that required lubrication - long or short term. My only complaint with LPS is trying to find a local retailer to sell it... --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Turn signal stalk
Can the turn signal stalk on a 78 240D be repaired-as in, is it eligible to have the detents filed? Yes, so far as I know. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
But WD-40 is not a lubricant. But it sure acts like one. I think of it more as a very slow-set glue. I used ATF, and used the vacuum source to slurp it up into the cable sheath and all the way through. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D no start
So if battery was bad then why wouldn't it even crank with battery charger set 225A start mode. Why did it initially crank with battery charger and now not? Somebody once told me that it takes more like 1000A to crank one of these diesels over, if it's on the cold side. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D no start
There were lights with charger connected but I guess the battery was so dead that it was robbing the current from the car. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Ok trying to get my friend's 78 240D started. No luck. It initially would crank with battery charger hooked up but then on subsequent attempt would not crank. Without charger no dash lights, nothing. Not sure what's going on. I replaced the starter on this car several years ago, my friend drove it for a few months then he couldn't start it. He let it sit for a year and a half and now this. What could be going on? Your description is not very concise nor will it logically parse. So with some guessing as to what you tried and what did and didn't work... If the lights work with the charger connected, and don't work with the charger disconnected, then likely the battery is dead. If there is no lights with or without the charger, then there isn't current flowing through them because it is interrupted someware. Likely locations are: battery cable body ground connection battery-to-starter cable connection at the starter A very dead battery that is robbing all the current leaving none for the car. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D no start
That makes sense. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2013, at 2:34 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: So if battery was bad then why wouldn't it even crank with battery charger set 225A start mode. Why did it initially crank with battery charger and now not? Somebody once told me that it takes more like 1000A to crank one of these diesels over, if it's on the cold side. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Turn signal stalk
You want to file the detents or depressions in order to once again allow the pin to nestle in place without popping out. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Can the turn signal stalk on a 78 240D be repaired-as in, is it eligible to have the detents filed? I'm a bit confused... What detents? And why do you want to file them? What should this repair? I am pretty sure my 1978 W123 turn signal assembly is exactly the same as the 1985 W123. I don't know if that means its eligible to have the detents filed or not. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Turn signal stalk
You want to file the detents or depressions in order to once again allow the pin to nestle in place without popping out. And go easy! The difference between stays in the detent now and won't come out of the detent now is only a stroke or two of the file. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
Bt! Not completely. Interestingly enough the MSDS for wd40 lists aliphatic hydrocarbons as a main ingredient. Guess what fish oil is? Squalene(shark liver oil) is an example. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: No fish oil in WD40 (wife's tale). It's petro distillates. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Is fish oil not a lubricant? Mike On Jul 2, 2013 12:11 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: LIberally spray inside the cable sheath with WD 40 from the hood end as well. Craig wrote: But WD-40 is not a lubricant. Andrew wrote: But it sure acts like one. So does water. And Elmers glue - until it sets. If you want lubricant properties, I suggest using a lubricant. LPS1, LPS2, and LPS3 are _my_ favorites. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
On 01/07/2013 3:33 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Initially, then when it goops up after it dries out you are worse off than when you started. --R Do you find that WD40 goops up? My experience with it seems to indicate that it just disappears. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
Do you find that WD40 goops up? My experience with it seems to indicate that it just disappears. Try spraying it in an adding machine, clock, etc. Wait a month or six. Then buy another clock. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
Yeah it leaves sort of a sticky brown gunky residue, most of it evaporates but I have noticed that residue after some long time. My in-laws are quite fond of it at the Nantucket house, which is right close to the water, and it gets a lot of salt spray and air, so stuff tends to corrode and seize up. They spray that stuff all over everything, and over time the gunk builds up and it does not move anyway. I think I took some LPS or light spray lube of some sort one time, and the various family members told me it was no good. Go figure. Not my headache except every coupla years if I get there, so I did not fight it. --R On 7/2/13 12:14 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 01/07/2013 3:33 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Initially, then when it goops up after it dries out you are worse off than when you started. --R Do you find that WD40 goops up? My experience with it seems to indicate that it just disappears. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
It does goop up. Provides an excellent protective barrier for non-moving parts. Not so good on moving parts as it collects dust and dirt and goops up into a oily paste. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 12:14 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 01/07/2013 3:33 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Initially, then when it goops up after it dries out you are worse off than when you started. --R Do you find that WD40 goops up? My experience with it seems to indicate that it just disappears. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
In a harsh environment like that the wd-40 is better. It displaces the water and leaves a protective barrier. Your LPS will not work as well. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 12:22 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yeah it leaves sort of a sticky brown gunky residue, most of it evaporates but I have noticed that residue after some long time. My in-laws are quite fond of it at the Nantucket house, which is right close to the water, and it gets a lot of salt spray and air, so stuff tends to corrode and seize up. They spray that stuff all over everything, and over time the gunk builds up and it does not move anyway. I think I took some LPS or light spray lube of some sort one time, and the various family members told me it was no good. Go figure. Not my headache except every coupla years if I get there, so I did not fight it. --R On 7/2/13 12:14 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 01/07/2013 3:33 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Initially, then when it goops up after it dries out you are worse off than when you started. --R Do you find that WD40 goops up? My experience with it seems to indicate that it just disappears. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
Rich Thomas wrote: Yeah it leaves sort of a sticky brown gunky residue, most of it evaporates but I have noticed that residue after some long time. My in-laws are quite fond of it at the Nantucket house, which is right close to the water, and it gets a lot of salt spray and air, so stuff tends to corrode and seize up. They spray that stuff all over everything, and over time the gunk builds up and it does not move anyway. I think I took some LPS or light spray lube of some sort one time, and the various family members told me it was no good. Go figure. Not my headache except every coupla years if I get there, so I did not fight it. Give them a can of Rem Oil and see what they say in a year. When somebody took WD, RIG, and a bunch of gun type oils, sprayed some stripper clips, and then stuck them on a coat hanger over the shower for a year, the Rem Oil clip had the least rust on it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
I suppose, if the applied-to thing does not need to move --R On 7/2/13 12:26 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: In a harsh environment like that the wd-40 is better. It displaces the water and leaves a protective barrier. Your LPS will not work as well. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 12:22 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Yeah it leaves sort of a sticky brown gunky residue, most of it evaporates but I have noticed that residue after some long time. My in-laws are quite fond of it at the Nantucket house, which is right close to the water, and it gets a lot of salt spray and air, so stuff tends to corrode and seize up. They spray that stuff all over everything, and over time the gunk builds up and it does not move anyway. I think I took some LPS or light spray lube of some sort one time, and the various family members told me it was no good. Go figure. Not my headache except every coupla years if I get there, so I did not fight it. --R On 7/2/13 12:14 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 01/07/2013 3:33 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Initially, then when it goops up after it dries out you are worse off than when you started. --R Do you find that WD40 goops up? My experience with it seems to indicate that it just disappears. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
Snowmobile engines and exhausts tend to get all rusty after a couple years, they live in a difficult environment after all. That said I know a guy who, every spring soaks the whole engine in WD40 as part of his summerizing (like winterizing but backwards) procedure. His machines always look like new under the hood. The only machine I've ever seen that still had all the paint on the exhaust after a couple seasons riding was one of his. -Curt Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 12:22:49 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Message-ID: 51d2fe59.5010...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yeah it leaves sort of a sticky brown gunky residue, most of it evaporates but I have noticed that residue after some long time. My in-laws are quite fond of it at the Nantucket house, which is right close to the water, and it gets a lot of salt spray and air, so stuff tends to corrode and seize up. They spray that stuff all over everything, and over time the gunk builds up and it does not move anyway. I think I took some LPS or light spray lube of some sort one time, and the various family members told me it was no good. Go figure. Not my headache except every coupla years if I get there, so I did not fight it. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
I also wonder if it is better to use the WD40 in the liquid state rather than aerosol cans of it. Randy On 02/07/2013 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Snowmobile engines and exhausts tend to get all rusty after a couple years, they live in a difficult environment after all. That said I know a guy who, every spring soaks the whole engine in WD40 as part of his summerizing (like winterizing but backwards) procedure. His machines always look like new under the hood. The only machine I've ever seen that still had all the paint on the exhaust after a couple seasons riding was one of his. -Curt Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 12:22:49 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Message-ID: 51d2fe59.5010...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yeah it leaves sort of a sticky brown gunky residue, most of it evaporates but I have noticed that residue after some long time. My in-laws are quite fond of it at the Nantucket house, which is right close to the water, and it gets a lot of salt spray and air, so stuff tends to corrode and seize up. They spray that stuff all over everything, and over time the gunk builds up and it does not move anyway. I think I took some LPS or light spray lube of some sort one time, and the various family members told me it was no good. Go figure. Not my headache except every coupla years if I get there, so I did not fight it. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
For a job like soaking the engine bay of a snowmobile the gallon bottles are probably invaluable. Otherwise I doubt it matters, its still liquid in the aerosol cans... -Curt Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 13:45:53 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Message-ID: 51d31fe1.9060...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I also wonder if it is better to use the WD40 in the liquid state rather than aerosol cans of it. Randy On 02/07/2013 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Snowmobile engines and exhausts tend to get all rusty after a couple years, they live in a difficult environment after all. That said I know a guy who, every spring soaks the whole engine in WD40 as part of his summerizing (like winterizing but backwards) procedure. His machines always look like new under the hood. The only machine I've ever seen that still had all the paint on the exhaust after a couple seasons riding was one of his. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D no start
Shoulda seen the looks Toni used to get jumping the solenoid on our old 240d with a big allen wrench. Nuttin hotter than a cute chick under the hood of a German car...lol Mike I used a big long screwdriver for a long time. However i moved up to a 18 length of 1/2 copper tubing. that works well and does not leave weld marks on the screwdriver. It is still in the 240D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
Aliphatic hydrocarbons is a broad category that includes all hydrocarbon without aromatic rings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliphatic_compound -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Bt! Not completely. Interestingly enough the MSDS for wd40 lists aliphatic hydrocarbons as a main ingredient. Guess what fish oil is? Squalene(shark liver oil) is an example. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: No fish oil in WD40 (wife's tale). It's petro distillates. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Is fish oil not a lubricant? Mike On Jul 2, 2013 12:11 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: LIberally spray inside the cable sheath with WD 40 from the hood end as well. Craig wrote: But WD-40 is not a lubricant. Andrew wrote: But it sure acts like one. So does water. And Elmers glue - until it sets. If you want lubricant properties, I suggest using a lubricant. LPS1, LPS2, and LPS3 are _my_ favorites. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
Right. Such as fish oil. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 7:13 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Aliphatic hydrocarbons is a broad category that includes all hydrocarbon without aromatic rings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliphatic_compound -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Bt! Not completely. Interestingly enough the MSDS for wd40 lists aliphatic hydrocarbons as a main ingredient. Guess what fish oil is? Squalene(shark liver oil) is an example. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: No fish oil in WD40 (wife's tale). It's petro distillates. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Is fish oil not a lubricant? Mike On Jul 2, 2013 12:11 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: LIberally spray inside the cable sheath with WD 40 from the hood end as well. Craig wrote: But WD-40 is not a lubricant. Andrew wrote: But it sure acts like one. So does water. And Elmers glue - until it sets. If you want lubricant properties, I suggest using a lubricant. LPS1, LPS2, and LPS3 are _my_ favorites. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What Jim said! BTDT! On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: And go easy! The difference between stays in the detent now and won't come out of the detent now is only a stroke or two of the file. -- Jim -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
BTTT, WRONG. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/wd-40.asp As for the claim the basic ingredient in WD-40 is fish oil, it's a common rumor and one that is easily propagated (because cans of WD-40 spray include no ingredients list), but a glance at the composition information included in the MSDS and http://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (167,xxx mi) On 7/2/2013 6:21 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Right. Such as fish oil. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 7:13 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Aliphatic hydrocarbons is a broad category that includes all hydrocarbon without aromatic rings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliphatic_compound -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Bt! Not completely. Interestingly enough the MSDS for wd40 lists aliphatic hydrocarbons as a main ingredient. Guess what fish oil is? Squalene(shark liver oil) is an example. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: No fish oil in WD40 (wife's tale). It's petro distillates. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
The MSDS states between 47 and 58% Aliphatic hydrocarbon. That does not say exactly what it is. It COULD vey well be fish oil and only the manufacturer knows. The MSDS also states wd-40 to be non-toxic according to guidlines. Seems if it were mostly petroleum distillates it would be listed as toxic and carcinogenic. Using deduction, what other Aliphatic hydrocarbon would work as well to displace water and be non-toxic? Mike On Jul 2, 2013 7:29 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: BTTT, WRONG. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/**household/wd-40.asphttp://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/wd-40.asp As for the claim the basic ingredient in WD-40 is fish oil, it's a common rumor and one that is easily propagated (because cans of WD-40 spray include no ingredients list), but a glance at the composition information included in the MSDS and http://www.wd40company.com/**files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdfhttp://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (167,xxx mi) On 7/2/2013 6:21 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Right. Such as fish oil. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 7:13 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Aliphatic hydrocarbons is a broad category that includes all hydrocarbon without aromatic rings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Aliphatic_compoundhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliphatic_compound -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@**okiebenz.commercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Bt! Not completely. Interestingly enough the MSDS for wd40 lists aliphatic hydrocarbons as a main ingredient. Guess what fish oil is? Squalene(shark liver oil) is an example. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: No fish oil in WD40 (wife's tale). It's petro distillates. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
http://wd40.com/about-us/myths-legends-fun-facts/ If... she.. weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood. Dan On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: The MSDS states between 47 and 58% Aliphatic hydrocarbon. That does not say exactly what it is. It COULD vey well be fish oil and only the manufacturer knows. The MSDS also states wd-40 to be non-toxic according to guidlines. Seems if it were mostly petroleum distillates it would be listed as toxic and carcinogenic. Using deduction, what other Aliphatic hydrocarbon would work as well to displace water and be non-toxic? Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
Parafin ? That's what I've heard was in it. A typwriter repairman once told me that he could always tell when someone had sprayed WD40 in their Selectric -- On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: The MSDS states between 47 and 58% Aliphatic hydrocarbon. That does not say exactly what it is. It COULD vey well be fish oil and only the manufacturer knows. The MSDS also states wd-40 to be non-toxic according to guidlines. Seems if it were mostly petroleum distillates it would be listed as toxic and carcinogenic. Using deduction, what other Aliphatic hydrocarbon would work as well to displace water and be non-toxic? Mike On Jul 2, 2013 7:29 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: BTTT, WRONG. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/**household/wd-40.asp http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/wd-40.asp As for the claim the basic ingredient in WD-40 is fish oil, it's a common rumor and one that is easily propagated (because cans of WD-40 spray include no ingredients list), but a glance at the composition information included in the MSDS and http://www.wd40company.com/**files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf http://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (167,xxx mi) On 7/2/2013 6:21 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Right. Such as fish oil. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 7:13 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Aliphatic hydrocarbons is a broad category that includes all hydrocarbon without aromatic rings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Aliphatic_compound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliphatic_compound -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@**okiebenz.com mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Bt! Not completely. Interestingly enough the MSDS for wd40 lists aliphatic hydrocarbons as a main ingredient. Guess what fish oil is? Squalene(shark liver oil) is an example. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: No fish oil in WD40 (wife's tale). It's petro distillates. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
Wouldn't paraffin be a solid at room temperature? Would it stay liquid with a petroleum distillate to thin it? I notice an oily residue, though it is thick. It really doesn't feel waxy to me. Mike Mike On Jul 2, 2013 8:01 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Parafin ? That's what I've heard was in it. A typwriter repairman once told me that he could always tell when someone had sprayed WD40 in their Selectric -- On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: The MSDS states between 47 and 58% Aliphatic hydrocarbon. That does not say exactly what it is. It COULD vey well be fish oil and only the manufacturer knows. The MSDS also states wd-40 to be non-toxic according to guidlines. Seems if it were mostly petroleum distillates it would be listed as toxic and carcinogenic. Using deduction, what other Aliphatic hydrocarbon would work as well to displace water and be non-toxic? Mike On Jul 2, 2013 7:29 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: BTTT, WRONG. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/**household/wd-40.asp http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/wd-40.asp As for the claim the basic ingredient in WD-40 is fish oil, it's a common rumor and one that is easily propagated (because cans of WD-40 spray include no ingredients list), but a glance at the composition information included in the MSDS and http://www.wd40company.com/**files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf http://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (167,xxx mi) On 7/2/2013 6:21 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Right. Such as fish oil. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 7:13 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Aliphatic hydrocarbons is a broad category that includes all hydrocarbon without aromatic rings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Aliphatic_compound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliphatic_compound -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@**okiebenz.com mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Bt! Not completely. Interestingly enough the MSDS for wd40 lists aliphatic hydrocarbons as a main ingredient. Guess what fish oil is? Squalene(shark liver oil) is an example. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: No fish oil in WD40 (wife's tale). It's petro distillates. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 5:01 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Parafin ? That's what I've heard was in it. A typwriter repairman once told me that he could always tell when someone had sprayed WD40 in their Selectric -- Was he British? Paraffin is BE for kerosene. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
in my experience with bicycles, i don't use WD40 for anything except cleaning stuff off; things that need a lube get a light oil. WD40 is a Water Dispersant, not a lube. if you don't get it all off, it becomes a dirt magnet. cheers! e On 02/Jul/13 09:14, Randy Bennell wrote: On 01/07/2013 3:33 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Initially, then when it goops up after it dries out you are worse off than when you started. --R Do you find that WD40 goops up? My experience with it seems to indicate that it just disappears. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
Actually, aliphatic and aromatic compounds consist only of C and H, whereas fats derived from living organisms are more complex. These fats and oils are amenable to saponification (soap making) and esterification (as in production of biodiesel) because they chemically act as acids in these reactions. Fish oil is not classed as an aliphatic hydrocarbon. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 4:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Right. Such as fish oil. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 7:13 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Aliphatic hydrocarbons is a broad category that includes all hydrocarbon without aromatic rings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliphatic_compound -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Bt! Not completely. Interestingly enough the MSDS for wd40 lists aliphatic hydrocarbons as a main ingredient. Guess what fish oil is? Squalene(shark liver oil) is an example. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: No fish oil in WD40 (wife's tale). It's petro distillates. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Is fish oil not a lubricant? Mike On Jul 2, 2013 12:11 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: LIberally spray inside the cable sheath with WD 40 from the hood end as well. Craig wrote: But WD-40 is not a lubricant. Andrew wrote: But it sure acts like one. So does water. And Elmers glue - until it sets. If you want lubricant properties, I suggest using a lubricant. LPS1, LPS2, and LPS3 are _my_ favorites. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
Maybe not all pf them but apparently shark liver oil is. squa·lene (skwln) n. A colorless unsaturated aliphatic hydrocarbon, C30H50, found especially in human sebum and in the liver oil of sharks, that is an intermediate in the biosynthesis of cholesterol and is used in biochemical research. [New Latin Squalus, shark genus (from its occurrence in the liver oil of sharks) (from Latin squalus, a sea fish) + -ene.] Mike On Jul 2, 2013 10:39 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Actually, aliphatic and aromatic compounds consist only of C and H, whereas fats derived from living organisms are more complex. These fats and oils are amenable to saponification (soap making) and esterification (as in production of biodiesel) because they chemically act as acids in these reactions. Fish oil is not classed as an aliphatic hydrocarbon. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 4:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Right. Such as fish oil. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 7:13 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Aliphatic hydrocarbons is a broad category that includes all hydrocarbon without aromatic rings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliphatic_compound -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Bt! Not completely. Interestingly enough the MSDS for wd40 lists aliphatic hydrocarbons as a main ingredient. Guess what fish oil is? Squalene(shark liver oil) is an example. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: No fish oil in WD40 (wife's tale). It's petro distillates. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Is fish oil not a lubricant? Mike On Jul 2, 2013 12:11 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: LIberally spray inside the cable sheath with WD 40 from the hood end as well. Craig wrote: But WD-40 is not a lubricant. Andrew wrote: But it sure acts like one. So does water. And Elmers glue - until it sets. If you want lubricant properties, I suggest using a lubricant. LPS1, LPS2, and LPS3 are _my_ favorites. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe
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I guess after reading that again it should say that the aliphatic hydrocarbon is part of the shark liver oil. So maybe wd40 is derrived from fish oil? Mike On Jul 2, 2013 10:46 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe not all pf them but apparently shark liver oil is. squa·lene (skwln) n. A colorless unsaturated aliphatic hydrocarbon, C30H50, found especially in human sebum and in the liver oil of sharks, that is an intermediate in the biosynthesis of cholesterol and is used in biochemical research. [New Latin Squalus, shark genus (from its occurrence in the liver oil of sharks) (from Latin squalus, a sea fish) + -ene.] Mike On Jul 2, 2013 10:39 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Actually, aliphatic and aromatic compounds consist only of C and H, whereas fats derived from living organisms are more complex. These fats and oils are amenable to saponification (soap making) and esterification (as in production of biodiesel) because they chemically act as acids in these reactions. Fish oil is not classed as an aliphatic hydrocarbon. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 4:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Right. Such as fish oil. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 7:13 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Aliphatic hydrocarbons is a broad category that includes all hydrocarbon without aromatic rings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliphatic_compound -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 9:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Bt! Not completely. Interestingly enough the MSDS for wd40 lists aliphatic hydrocarbons as a main ingredient. Guess what fish oil is? Squalene(shark liver oil) is an example. Mike On Jul 2, 2013 1:45 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: No fish oil in WD40 (wife's tale). It's petro distillates. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Michael Canfield Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 12:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Is fish oil not a lubricant? Mike On Jul 2, 2013 12:11 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: LIberally spray inside the cable sheath with WD 40 from the hood end as well. Craig wrote: But WD-40 is not a lubricant. Andrew wrote: But it sure acts like one. So does water. And Elmers glue - until it sets. If you want lubricant properties, I suggest using a lubricant. LPS1, LPS2, and LPS3 are _my_ favorites. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
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Michael wrote: In a harsh environment like that the wd-40 is better. It displaces the water and leaves a protective barrier. Your LPS will not work as well. Wow. Bold statement, especially without specifying _which_ LPS product. LPS3 is a waxy oil stuff that is very good at protecting from rust, and good at keeping moving parts moving. In my experience, WD-40 is vastly inferior at providing a protective coating. Again, in my experience LPS2 is a superior lubricant compared to WD-40. I'm not sure how they compare for long term protection because I use LPS3 for that job. LPS1 is a dry lubricate once the carrier evaporates. I does not cause dust to stick, so is suitable for things like the 40ft telescoping pneumatic masts. It doesn't gum up like WD-40, and in my experience lubricates at least as well. I use WD-40 to kill wasps on their nests and to displace water in ignition systems. It works well for those jobs, but I personally wouldn't use it for any task that required lubrication - long or short term. My only complaint with LPS is trying to find a local retailer to sell it... --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D hood release.
I'm trying to pop the hood on a friends 240D. The latch coming out of the grill is broken and a coat wire attached. The release cable in the car seems stretched as it won't release the hood. What do I do here? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release.
I'm trying to pop the hood on a friends 240D. The latch coming out of the grill is broken and a coat wire attached. The release cable in the car seems stretched as it won't release the hood. What do I do here? Unhook the handle end of the cable from the wall of the car and pull on the entire thing. Pop! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I'm trying to pop the hood on a friends 240D. The latch coming out of the grill is broken and a coat wire attached. The release cable in the car seems stretched as it won't release the hood. What do I do here? Unhook the handle end of the cable from the wall of the car and pull on the entire thing. Pop! Yup. I would add, use vice grips, and be prepared for it to take a lot more effort than you expect. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yup. I would add, use vice grips, and be prepared for it to take a lot more effort than you expect. Yes, in this case, DO tug on that! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LIberally spray inside the cable sheath with WD 40 from the hood end as well. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Yup. I would add, use vice grips, and be prepared for it to take a lot more effort than you expect. Yes, in this case, DO tug on that! -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Pfff, thats how I ALWAYS opened the hood on my '81 300TD. It even came with a pair of vice grips. My '85 190D had a nasty cable and kept breaking the under dash lever which sadly on the w201 is plastic. Had I kept the car I'd have replaced the cable. -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:39:29 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Message-ID: CABHyH=zjh2rfq3urzecqefe-t+0l7hl0rk71n+0jhjhagj2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I'm trying to pop the hood on a friends 240D. The latch coming out of the grill is broken and a coat wire attached. The release cable in the car seems stretched as it won't release the hood. What do I do here? Unhook the handle end of the cable from the wall of the car and pull on the entire thing. Pop! Yup. I would add, use vice grips, and be prepared for it to take a lot more effort than you expect. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Replacing the hood release cable is a job even a citizen of Washington, D.C. can accomplish. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Pfff, thats how I ALWAYS opened the hood on my '81 300TD. It even came with a pair of vice grips. My '85 190D had a nasty cable and kept breaking the under dash lever which sadly on the w201 is plastic. Had I kept the car I'd have replaced the cable. -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:39:29 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Message-ID: CABHyH=zjh2rfq3urzecqefe-t+0l7hl0rk71n+0jhjhagj2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I'm trying to pop the hood on a friends 240D. The latch coming out of the grill is broken and a coat wire attached. The release cable in the car seems stretched as it won't release the hood. What do I do here? Unhook the handle end of the cable from the wall of the car and pull on the entire thing. Pop! Yup. I would add, use vice grips, and be prepared for it to take a lot more effort than you expect. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What about serfs? --R On 7/1/13 12:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Replacing the hood release cable is a job even a citizen of Washington, D.C. can accomplish. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Pfff, thats how I ALWAYS opened the hood on my '81 300TD. It even came with a pair of vice grips. My '85 190D had a nasty cable and kept breaking the under dash lever which sadly on the w201 is plastic. Had I kept the car I'd have replaced the cable. -Curt Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 08:39:29 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D hood release. Message-ID: CABHyH=zjh2rfq3urzecqefe-t+0l7hl0rk71n+0jhjhagj2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I'm trying to pop the hood on a friends 240D. The latch coming out of the grill is broken and a coat wire attached. The release cable in the car seems stretched as it won't release the hood. What do I do here? Unhook the handle end of the cable from the wall of the car and pull on the entire thing. Pop! Yup. I would add, use vice grips, and be prepared for it to take a lot more effort than you expect. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
