Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
As I recall, I popped out the BJ with a LFH. Then used the HF tool to press in. Easier on 124 than 126. I think the HF tool got off center and cracked the boot on the new joint, so it got shoogooed. With the borrowed 126 tool from Q, the 126 ones went in slick and easy. Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 11/2/19 4:41 PM: I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another special tool to press those in and out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
The hazard fraught tool is a big C clamp, just one arm. The proper shop tool is a complete 'O', like two C clamps that share one screw, so it is very strong. I think I found a place that sold aftermarket version once, but mucho dinero. I'll check my book marks. Removal is much easier with generous application of the blue wrench, until the end of the control arm is just glowing dull red, and then hammer that sucker right out. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 17:41:36 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : > I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before > using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for > adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was > a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the > move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this > would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, > what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull > the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another > special tool to press those in and out? > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
See procedure 33-0440 in the FSM, picture of the tool 107-598-01-43-00. https://www.samstagsales.com/mbref.htm#201 has a couple of numbers (two for 201, one for 124, that say ball joint tool) but no pictures. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before > using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for > adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was > a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the > move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this > would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, > what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull > the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another > special tool to press those in and out? > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Here ya go, $1,100 Klann tool: https://www.samstagsales.com/images/Klann_KL-0039-751.jpg If you get it, I'd like to borrow it when you're done. :) Here's the "proper" inner bushing tool, Sir Tools M0062, on this page for $365. https://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm I have done several sets of inner bushings with the HF tool and a ball peen hammer to peen open the sleeve that holds the two halves together. Do yourself a favor and get four of the eccentric bolts for adjusting the inner control arms, they are probably rusted solid in the old joints and you'll never get them to turn. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before > using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for > adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was > a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the > move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this > would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, > what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull > the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another > special tool to press those in and out? > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
This looks a little more palatable. https://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-T4-Mercedes-Benz-W201-W124-Ball-joint-Press-Extractor-Tool-Outil-Tool-/331988806824 - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before > using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for > adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was > a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the > move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this > would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, > what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull > the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another > special tool to press those in and out? > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
I think when I did mine one side took one pop from the 2 lb hammer and the other took a couple pops, then popped right out. cold. No flame wrench. None of the 126 ones I have done came out nearly as easy. Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 11/2/19 6:45 PM: The hazard fraught tool is a big C clamp, just one arm. The proper shop tool is a complete 'O', like two C clamps that share one screw, so it is very strong. I think I found a place that sold aftermarket version once, but mucho dinero. I'll check my book marks. Removal is much easier with generous application of the blue wrench, until the end of the control arm is just glowing dull red, and then hammer that sucker right out. Max Dillon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
What HF tool did you use to do the bushings? On 11/2/2019 7:23 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Here ya go, $1,100 Klann tool: https://www.samstagsales.com/images/Klann_KL-0039-751.jpg If you get it, I'd like to borrow it when you're done. :) Here's the "proper" inner bushing tool, Sir Tools M0062, on this page for $365. https://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm I have done several sets of inner bushings with the HF tool and a ball peen hammer to peen open the sleeve that holds the two halves together. Do yourself a favor and get four of the eccentric bolts for adjusting the inner control arms, they are probably rusted solid in the old joints and you'll never get them to turn. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another special tool to press those in and out? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Then there is this one http://www.baumtools.com/shop/Mercedes-Benz/33-Front-Axle/B129-0343-LOWER-WISHBONE-SUPPORT-JOINT-RR-TOOL#.Xb4yBtZ7ldg On 11/2/2019 7:31 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: This looks a little more palatable. https://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-T4-Mercedes-Benz-W201-W124-Ball-joint-Press-Extractor-Tool-Outil-Tool-/331988806824 - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another special tool to press those in and out? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
The big honking C clamp that weighs twenty pounds, their universal ball joint tool set. Use that to press in the two halves of the bushing, the hole at the end gives access so you can peen the sleeve outward. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 21:46:48 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : > What HF tool did you use to do the bushings? > > On 11/2/2019 7:23 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > >> Here ya go, $1,100 Klann tool: >> https://www.samstagsales.com/images/Klann_KL-0039-751.jpg >> >> If you get it, I'd like to borrow it when you're done. :) >> >> Here's the "proper" inner bushing tool, Sir Tools M0062, on this page for >> $365. >> https://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm >> >> I have done several sets of inner bushings with the HF tool and a ball peen >> hammer to peen open the sleeve that holds the two halves together. >> >> Do yourself a favor and get four of the eccentric bolts for adjusting the >> inner control arms, they are probably rusted solid in the old joints and >> you'll never get them to turn. >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >>> I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before >>> using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for >>> adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was >>> a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the >>> move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this >>> would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, >>> what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull >>> the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another >>> special tool to press those in and out? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
How did you get the bushings out? On 11/2/2019 8:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: The big honking C clamp that weighs twenty pounds, their universal ball joint tool set. Use that to press in the two halves of the bushing, the hole at the end gives access so you can peen the sleeve outward. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 21:46:48 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : What HF tool did you use to do the bushings? On 11/2/2019 7:23 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Here ya go, $1,100 Klann tool: https://www.samstagsales.com/images/Klann_KL-0039-751.jpg If you get it, I'd like to borrow it when you're done. :) Here's the "proper" inner bushing tool, Sir Tools M0062, on this page for $365. https://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm I have done several sets of inner bushings with the HF tool and a ball peen hammer to peen open the sleeve that holds the two halves together. Do yourself a favor and get four of the eccentric bolts for adjusting the inner control arms, they are probably rusted solid in the old joints and you'll never get them to turn. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another special tool to press those in and out? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Yeah that looks decent. Does it extract and install the joint? Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 21:49:26 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : > Then there is this one > > http://www.baumtools.com/shop/Mercedes-Benz/33-Front-Axle/B129-0343-LOWER-WISHBONE-SUPPORT-JOINT-RR-TOOL#.Xb4yBtZ7ldg > > On 11/2/2019 7:31 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > >> This looks a little more palatable. >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-T4-Mercedes-Benz-W201-W124-Ball-joint-Press-Extractor-Tool-Outil-Tool-/331988806824 >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >>> I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before >>> using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for >>> adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was >>> a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the >>> move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this >>> would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, >>> what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull >>> the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another >>> special tool to press those in and out? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Saw-z-all, torch, various pullers, lots of strong language. Speaking of blue language, my daughter came up with "son of a mother-less banana" for a writing assignment. I thought that was clever. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 21:50:56 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : > How did you get the bushings out? > > On 11/2/2019 8:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > >> The big honking C clamp that weighs twenty pounds, their universal ball >> joint tool set. Use that to press in the two halves of the bushing, the hole >> at the end gives access so you can peen the sleeve outward. >> >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> >> Sat Nov 02 21:46:48 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> : >> >> >>> What HF tool did you use to do the bushings? >>> >>> On 11/2/2019 7:23 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Here ya go, $1,100 Klann tool: https://www.samstagsales.com/images/Klann_KL-0039-751.jpg If you get it, I'd like to borrow it when you're done. :) Here's the "proper" inner bushing tool, Sir Tools M0062, on this page for $365. https://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm I have done several sets of inner bushings with the HF tool and a ball peen hammer to peen open the sleeve that holds the two halves together. Do yourself a favor and get four of the eccentric bolts for adjusting the inner control arms, they are probably rusted solid in the old joints and you'll never get them to turn. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before > using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for > adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was > a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the > move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this > would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, > what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull > the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another > special tool to press those in and out? > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Yes, it does. I wonder if between these 2 kits there might be the proper adapters that will do 124/201 https://www.harborfreight.com/ball-joint-service-kit-for-2wd-and-4wd-vehicles-63279.html https://www.harborfreight.com/14-piece-master-ball-joint-adapter-set-63725.html On 11/2/2019 8:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Yeah that looks decent. Does it extract and install the joint? Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 21:49:26 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : Then there is this one http://www.baumtools.com/shop/Mercedes-Benz/33-Front-Axle/B129-0343-LOWER-WISHBONE-SUPPORT-JOINT-RR-TOOL#.Xb4yBtZ7ldg On 11/2/2019 7:31 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: This looks a little more palatable. https://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-T4-Mercedes-Benz-W201-W124-Ball-joint-Press-Extractor-Tool-Outil-Tool-/331988806824 - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another special tool to press those in and out? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
I ended up buying this just now: https://www.ebay.com/itm/232069182735 On the other hand, if the inner bushings needs to be replaced it might be better off to just to replace the whole control arm. On 11/2/2019 8:54 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Saw-z-all, torch, various pullers, lots of strong language. Speaking of blue language, my daughter came up with "son of a mother-less banana" for a writing assignment. I thought that was clever. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 21:50:56 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : How did you get the bushings out? On 11/2/2019 8:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: The big honking C clamp that weighs twenty pounds, their universal ball joint tool set. Use that to press in the two halves of the bushing, the hole at the end gives access so you can peen the sleeve outward. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 21:46:48 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : What HF tool did you use to do the bushings? On 11/2/2019 7:23 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Here ya go, $1,100 Klann tool: https://www.samstagsales.com/images/Klann_KL-0039-751.jpg If you get it, I'd like to borrow it when you're done. :) Here's the "proper" inner bushing tool, Sir Tools M0062, on this page for $365. https://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm I have done several sets of inner bushings with the HF tool and a ball peen hammer to peen open the sleeve that holds the two halves together. Do yourself a favor and get four of the eccentric bolts for adjusting the inner control arms, they are probably rusted solid in the old joints and you'll never get them to turn. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another special tool to press those in and out? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Looks like you got the last one! Nice price. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 22:00:46 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : > I ended up buying this just now: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/232069182735 > > On the other hand, if the inner bushings needs to be replaced it might > be better off to just to replace the whole control arm. > > On 11/2/2019 8:54 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > >> Saw-z-all, torch, various pullers, lots of strong language. >> >> Speaking of blue language, my daughter came up with "son of a mother-less >> banana" for a writing assignment. I thought that was clever. >> >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> >> Sat Nov 02 21:50:56 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> : >> >> >>> How did you get the bushings out? >>> >>> On 11/2/2019 8:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> The big honking C clamp that weighs twenty pounds, their universal ball joint tool set. Use that to press in the two halves of the bushing, the hole at the end gives access so you can peen the sleeve outward. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 21:46:48 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : > What HF tool did you use to do the bushings? > > On 11/2/2019 7:23 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > > > >> Here ya go, $1,100 Klann tool: >> https://www.samstagsales.com/images/Klann_KL-0039-751.jpg >> >> If you get it, I'd like to borrow it when you're done. :) >> >> Here's the "proper" inner bushing tool, Sir Tools M0062, on this page for >> $365. >> https://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm >> >> I have done several sets of inner bushings with the HF tool and a ball >> peen >> hammer to peen open the sleeve that holds the two halves together. >> >> Do yourself a favor and get four of the eccentric bolts for adjusting the >> inner control arms, they are probably rusted solid in the old joints and >> you'll never get them to turn. >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before >>> using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for >>> adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was >>> a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the >>> move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this >>> would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, >>> what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull >>> the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another >>> special tool to press those in and out? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > >
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
They must be in there a lot tighter then in the 123. I knocked the ball joints out of mine with two hammers very easily. Put the ball of one hammer on the bottom of the ball joint and then hit the flat head of that hammer with a bigger one. The round ball end supposedly collapses the outside of joint and causes it to pull away from the socket it sits in and the whole thing pops right out with a few good hefty whacks. I watched the tech do that with a set of ball joints on another 123 so I knew it worked for them. Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: The hazard fraught tool is a big C clamp, just one arm. The proper shop tool is a complete 'O', like two C clamps that share one screw, so it is very strong. I think I found a place that sold aftermarket version once, but mucho dinero. I'll check my book marks. Removal is much easier with generous application of the blue wrench, until the end of the control arm is just glowing dull red, and then hammer that sucker right out. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 17:41:36 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another special tool to press those in and out? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
124 lower ball joints have the rim on the opposite side as a 123, so that method won't work because the stem is in the way and needs to be dealt with. I usually cut off the stem with the saw-z-all in order to get clearance to fit the press or to make a flat surface to pound on. Leaving the control arm mounted in the car means not much clearance between fender and ball joint to swing a hammer. The first set I did, I cut them off and hammered them out, that was a lot of work. Second set, rigged up adapters to press them out after cutting off stem and heated up the arm / joint with a torch, they pressed out pretty easy. - Max Charleston SC On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 8:40 AM MG via Mercedes wrote: > They must be in there a lot tighter then in the > 123. I knocked the ball joints out of mine with > two hammers very easily. Put the ball of one > hammer on the bottom of the ball joint and then > hit the flat head of that hammer with a bigger > one. The round ball end supposedly collapses the > outside of joint and causes it to pull away from > the socket it sits in and the whole thing pops > right out with a few good hefty whacks. > > I watched the tech do that with a set of ball > joints on another 123 so I knew it worked for them. > > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > > The hazard fraught tool is a big C clamp, just one arm. The proper shop > tool is a complete 'O', like two C clamps that share one screw, so it is > very strong. > > > > I think I found a place that sold aftermarket version once, but mucho > dinero. I'll check my book marks. > > > > Removal is much easier with generous application of the blue wrench, > until the end of the control arm is just glowing dull red, and then hammer > that sucker right out. > > > > Max Dillon > > Charleston SC > > > > Sat Nov 02 17:41:36 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com>: > > > >> I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before > >> using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for > >> adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was > >> a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the > >> move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this > >> would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, > >> what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull > >> the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another > >> special tool to press those in and out? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >> https://www.avg.com > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
The Harbor Freight tool and it's clones is too soft and bends when significant force is applied, which then causes the joint to tilt and either get stuck and refuse to move or become very difficult to get seated. We ended up making a W126/W123 tool out of the one I bought -- welded 1/4" steel plates on the sides and ground the end down to fit into the control arm. Works great for that, but can no longer be used for anything else. I bought a better one (as was recommended on the PeachParts forum I think, I don't remember) and it's been doing great work with ball joints for use for the last six or seven years. Actual ball joint replacement on a W124 with the tool is quite easy once you get to it. Not bad at all, and no heat is required. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Please share the tool make and model, I'm ready to buy one. I found what looks like a decent tool made by BGS Technic, European, will run about $300 with shipping. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sun Nov 03 09:06:21 EST 2019 Peter Frederick via Mercedes : > The Harbor Freight tool and it's clones is too soft and bends when > significant force is applied, which then causes the joint to tilt and either > get stuck and refuse to move or become very difficult to get seated. > > We ended up making a W126/W123 tool out of the one I bought -- welded 1/4" > steel plates on the sides and ground the end down to fit into the control > arm. Works great for that, but can no longer be used for anything else. > > I bought a better one (as was recommended on the PeachParts forum I think, I > don't remember) and it's been doing great work with ball joints for use for > the last six or seven years. Actual ball joint replacement on a W124 with the > tool is quite easy once you get to it. Not bad at all, and no heat is > required. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
I took my 123 BJs to a shop to change, that is how the old mech did it. Put the knuckle in a vise, put a ball peen round end on the bottom of the BJ then whacked it coupla times with a BFH. Then used the MB press to slide them in. One of them the collar broke, was some off brand Rusty sent me, sent them back for Lemforders and it went right in. Same deal on a 126 I did. --FT On 11/3/19 9:39 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote: They must be in there a lot tighter then in the 123. I knocked the ball joints out of mine with two hammers very easily. Put the ball of one hammer on the bottom of the ball joint and then hit the flat head of that hammer with a bigger one. The round ball end supposedly collapses the outside of joint and causes it to pull away from the socket it sits in and the whole thing pops right out with a few good hefty whacks. I watched the tech do that with a set of ball joints on another 123 so I knew it worked for them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
I will drop by my brother's tonight and check, it lives at his house these days. Probably get some use soon, he's building rod using a Super CobraJet motor (the real racing one, not the street CobraJet) and a '47 Buisness Coupe, plus restoring a '67 Mustang for his wife. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Please post a picture of your modified HF press. As Max requested, if you can post info about the "good" one, we'd appreciate that too. Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 11/3/19 8:00 AM: The Harbor Freight tool and it's clones is too soft and bends when significant force is applied, which then causes the joint to tilt and either get stuck and refuse to move or become very difficult to get seated. We ended up making a W126/W123 tool out of the one I bought -- welded 1/4" steel plates on the sides and ground the end down to fit into the control arm. Works great for that, but can no longer be used for anything else. I bought a better one (as was recommended on the PeachParts forum I think, I don't remember) and it's been doing great work with ball joints for use for the last six or seven years. Actual ball joint replacement on a W124 with the tool is quite easy once you get to it. Not bad at all, and no heat is required. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
That would make a difference in the removal. The only problem I have with heating a significant amount of a structural member is the question of what it does to the temper of the metal and hence the strength. I'd hate to be going around a corner at speed and have the piece give away. May look cool in a movie but Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: 124 lower ball joints have the rim on the opposite side as a 123, so that method won't work because the stem is in the way and needs to be dealt with. I usually cut off the stem with the saw-z-all in order to get clearance to fit the press or to make a flat surface to pound on. Leaving the control arm mounted in the car means not much clearance between fender and ball joint to swing a hammer. The first set I did, I cut them off and hammered them out, that was a lot of work. Second set, rigged up adapters to press them out after cutting off stem and heated up the arm / joint with a torch, they pressed out pretty easy. - Max Charleston SC On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 8:40 AM MG via Mercedes wrote: They must be in there a lot tighter then in the 123. I knocked the ball joints out of mine with two hammers very easily. Put the ball of one hammer on the bottom of the ball joint and then hit the flat head of that hammer with a bigger one. The round ball end supposedly collapses the outside of joint and causes it to pull away from the socket it sits in and the whole thing pops right out with a few good hefty whacks. I watched the tech do that with a set of ball joints on another 123 so I knew it worked for them. Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: The hazard fraught tool is a big C clamp, just one arm. The proper shop tool is a complete 'O', like two C clamps that share one screw, so it is very strong. I think I found a place that sold aftermarket version once, but mucho dinero. I'll check my book marks. Removal is much easier with generous application of the blue wrench, until the end of the control arm is just glowing dull red, and then hammer that sucker right out. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 17:41:36 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com>: I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another special tool to press those in and out? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
I talked with a friend who is really into machining and welding about that concern, he assured me it is not. Heating to a nice red glow and then allowing it to cool back to room temperature, with no quenching, is not going to change the character or temper of that steel. Dimitri may also have some knowledge here. The bigger danger is the fire hazard and the risk of burning your hands, both usually succumb to common sense precautions. Max Dillon Charleston SC Mon Nov 04 10:40:28 EST 2019 MG via Mercedes : > That would make a difference in the removal. > > The only problem I have with heating a significant > amount of a structural member is the question of > what it does to the temper of the metal and hence > the strength. I'd hate to be going around a corner > at speed and have the piece give away. May look > cool in a movie but > > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > >> 124 lower ball joints have the rim on the opposite side as a 123, so that >> method won't work because the stem is in the way and needs to be dealt >> with. I usually cut off the stem with the saw-z-all in order to get >> clearance to fit the press or to make a flat surface to pound on. Leaving >> the control arm mounted in the car means not much clearance between fender >> and ball joint to swing a hammer. The first set I did, I cut them off and >> hammered them out, that was a lot of work. Second set, rigged up adapters >> to press them out after cutting off stem and heated up the arm / joint with >> a torch, they pressed out pretty easy. >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 8:40 AM MG via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >>> They must be in there a lot tighter then in the >>> 123. I knocked the ball joints out of mine with >>> two hammers very easily. Put the ball of one >>> hammer on the bottom of the ball joint and then >>> hit the flat head of that hammer with a bigger >>> one. The round ball end supposedly collapses the >>> outside of joint and causes it to pull away from >>> the socket it sits in and the whole thing pops >>> right out with a few good hefty whacks. >>> >>> I watched the tech do that with a set of ball >>> joints on another 123 so I knew it worked for them. >>> >>> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: >>> The hazard fraught tool is a big C clamp, just one arm. The proper shop >>> tool is a complete 'O', like two C clamps that share one screw, so it is >>> very strong. >>> I think I found a place that sold aftermarket version once, but mucho >>> dinero. I'll check my book marks. >>> Removal is much easier with generous application of the blue wrench, >>> until the end of the control arm is just glowing dull red, and then hammer >>> that sucker right out. >>> Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 17:41:36 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>: >>> > I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before > using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for > adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was > a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the > move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this > would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, > what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull > the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another > special tool to press those in and out? > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change de
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
I think most car parts are mild steel - not tempered or hardened, hence no issue heating them. On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:55 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I talked with a friend who is really into machining and welding about that > concern, he assured me it is not. Heating to a nice red glow and then > allowing it to cool back to room temperature, with no quenching, is not > going to change the character or temper of that steel. Dimitri may also > have some knowledge here. > > The bigger danger is the fire hazard and the risk of burning your hands, > both usually succumb to common sense precautions. > > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > Mon Nov 04 10:40:28 EST 2019 MG via Mercedes : > > > That would make a difference in the removal. > > > > The only problem I have with heating a significant > > amount of a structural member is the question of > > what it does to the temper of the metal and hence > > the strength. I'd hate to be going around a corner > > at speed and have the piece give away. May look > > cool in a movie but > > > > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > > > >> 124 lower ball joints have the rim on the opposite side as a 123, so > that > >> method won't work because the stem is in the way and needs to be dealt > >> with. I usually cut off the stem with the saw-z-all in order to get > >> clearance to fit the press or to make a flat surface to pound on. > Leaving > >> the control arm mounted in the car means not much clearance between > fender > >> and ball joint to swing a hammer. The first set I did, I cut them off > and > >> hammered them out, that was a lot of work. Second set, rigged up > adapters > >> to press them out after cutting off stem and heated up the arm / joint > with > >> a torch, they pressed out pretty easy. > >> - > >> Max > >> Charleston SC > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 8:40 AM MG via Mercedes > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> They must be in there a lot tighter then in the > >>> 123. I knocked the ball joints out of mine with > >>> two hammers very easily. Put the ball of one > >>> hammer on the bottom of the ball joint and then > >>> hit the flat head of that hammer with a bigger > >>> one. The round ball end supposedly collapses the > >>> outside of joint and causes it to pull away from > >>> the socket it sits in and the whole thing pops > >>> right out with a few good hefty whacks. > >>> > >>> I watched the tech do that with a set of ball > >>> joints on another 123 so I knew it worked for them. > >>> > >>> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > >>> > The hazard fraught tool is a big C clamp, just one arm. The proper > shop > > >>> tool is a complete 'O', like two C clamps that share one screw, so it > is > >>> very strong. > >>> > I think I found a place that sold aftermarket version once, but mucho > > >>> dinero. I'll check my book marks. > >>> > Removal is much easier with generous application of the blue wrench, > > >>> until the end of the control arm is just glowing dull red, and then > hammer > >>> that sucker right out. > >>> > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > Sat Nov 02 17:41:36 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>: > >>> > > I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 > before > > using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for > > adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it > was > > a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the > > move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure > this > > would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, > > what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull > > the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another > > special tool to press those in and out? > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> __
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
> Max wrote: > > I talked with a friend who is really into machining and welding > about that concern, he assured me it is not. Heating to a nice > red glow and then allowing it to cool back to room temperature, > with no quenching, is not going to change the character or > temper of that steel. NOT TRUE. It may not matter to suspension members, but as soon as shiny steel starts to show color on the surface - long before it begins glowing - it can be changing the temper. If steel is quenched after glowing red it is fully hardened. Cooled slowly (minutes or hours) is fully annealed (soft). After hardening, it can be heated and quenched to partly un-harden it, that is draw a temper. The surface color can be used to indicate the temperature. So a suspension component like a control arm _probably_ isn't hardened - but if it is, heating it above 200C [400F] could be changing the temper! Here is a couple sites for color charts. https://anvilfire.com/FAQs/temper_colors_hardness.htm http://www.smex.net.au/reference/SteelColours02.php Note that the cooler temperatures (below 425C [800F]) are surface oxidation colors NOT incandescent, or glowing, colors. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Truck frames are now tempered. They were not, in the past. This is so that they can be made lighter, but still as strong. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hmm. I would suspect that means if they are work hardened (bent) they become scrap, and are not straightenable. Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: November 5, 2019 12:05 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: jim.cathey...@gmail.com; fmi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool Truck frames are now tempered. They were not, in the past. This is so that they can be made lighter, but still as strong. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Philip, The color in the chart on the second link (SMEX) that is about where I ended heating was in the brown red to blood red color. My friend did talk about what kind of steel and whether or not is was already tempered as big factors, and we decided that these control arms are probably not tempered or hardened, and that was why the heat / cool cycle was not a concern. So, how can we determine if the control arms were tempered / hardened? - Max Charleston SC On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 11:15 PM fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > > Max wrote: > > > > > I talked with a friend who is really into machining and welding > > about that concern, he assured me it is not. Heating to a nice > > red glow and then allowing it to cool back to room temperature, > > with no quenching, is not going to change the character or > > temper of that steel. > > NOT TRUE. > > It may not matter to suspension members, but as soon as shiny > steel starts to show color on the surface - long before it begins > glowing - it can be changing the temper. > > If steel is quenched after glowing red it is fully hardened. > Cooled slowly (minutes or hours) is fully annealed (soft). After > hardening, it can be heated and quenched to partly un-harden it, > that is draw a temper. The surface color can be used to indicate > the temperature. > > So a suspension component like a control arm _probably_ isn't > hardened - but if it is, heating it above 200C [400F] could be > changing the temper! > > Here is a couple sites for color charts. > https://anvilfire.com/FAQs/temper_colors_hardness.htm > http://www.smex.net.au/reference/SteelColours02.php > > Note that the cooler temperatures (below 425C [800F]) are surface > oxidation colors NOT incandescent, or glowing, colors. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Hot stamped will be hardened, cold stamp will be only work hardened. There are other things to consider as well: Heating to red hot softens the steel, which can easily result in opening up the hole where the joint is pressed, usually making it slightly oval since you are heating on one side. Now the press fit isn't a press fit any more, and the joint can come loose more easily. You can also induce or expand cracks by heating only one portion of the control arm, resulting in sudden failure as the crack grows. I've been in more than one auto shop where a customer was informed that unless the part the customer heated trying to get a ball joint out was replaced with new the shop would NOT work on the car. Way too much liability. A good press tool does the job in a couple minutes, no heating, hammering, or other destructive things need be done. Just like wailing away on a tie rod end socket instead of using the two hammers trick. Pinch type ball joint tool works far better. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
> Hmm. I would suspect that means if they are work hardened (bent) they become > scrap, and are not straightenable. So I believe. OTOH, the electronics will probably take the vehicle permanently out of service anyway. The reduction in fleet service life due to tempering might not be noticeable. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So after I paid seller messages me saying they messed on up shipping and want an additional $33 so that puts it about $108. I guess that is still a decent deal? Maybe? On 11/2/2019 9:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I ended up buying this just now: https://www.ebay.com/itm/232069182735 On the other hand, if the inner bushings needs to be replaced it might be better off to just to replace the whole control arm. On 11/2/2019 8:54 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Saw-z-all, torch, various pullers, lots of strong language. Speaking of blue language, my daughter came up with "son of a mother-less banana" for a writing assignment. I thought that was clever. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 21:50:56 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : How did you get the bushings out? On 11/2/2019 8:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: The big honking C clamp that weighs twenty pounds, their universal ball joint tool set. Use that to press in the two halves of the bushing, the hole at the end gives access so you can peen the sleeve outward. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 21:46:48 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : What HF tool did you use to do the bushings? On 11/2/2019 7:23 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Here ya go, $1,100 Klann tool: https://www.samstagsales.com/images/Klann_KL-0039-751.jpg If you get it, I'd like to borrow it when you're done. :) Here's the "proper" inner bushing tool, Sir Tools M0062, on this page for $365. https://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm I have done several sets of inner bushings with the HF tool and a ball peen hammer to peen open the sleeve that holds the two halves together. Do yourself a favor and get four of the eccentric bolts for adjusting the inner control arms, they are probably rusted solid in the old joints and you'll never get them to turn. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another special tool to press those in and out? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The auction says they’ve sold seven of them. How many of those do you think they screwed up the shipping costs on? They’re screwing you, buddy. -D > On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > So after I paid seller messages me saying they messed on up shipping and want > an additional $33 so that puts it about $108. I guess that is still a decent > deal? Maybe? > > On 11/2/2019 9:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> I ended up buying this just now: >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/232069182735 >> >> On the other hand, if the inner bushings needs to be replaced it might be >> better off to just to replace the whole control arm. >> >> On 11/2/2019 8:54 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: >>> Saw-z-all, torch, various pullers, lots of strong language. >>> Speaking of blue language, my daughter came up with "son of a mother-less >>> banana" for a writing assignment. I thought that was clever. >>> >>> Max Dillon >>> Charleston SC >>> >>> Sat Nov 02 21:50:56 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >>> : How did you get the bushings out? On 11/2/2019 8:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > The big honking C clamp that weighs twenty pounds, their universal ball > joint tool set. Use that to press in the two halves of the bushing, the > hole at the end gives access so you can peen the sleeve outward. > > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > Sat Nov 02 21:46:48 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > : > >> What HF tool did you use to do the bushings? >> >> On 11/2/2019 7:23 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: >> >> >>> Here ya go, $1,100 Klann tool: >>> https://www.samstagsales.com/images/Klann_KL-0039-751.jpg >>> >>> If you get it, I'd like to borrow it when you're done. :) >>> >>> Here's the "proper" inner bushing tool, Sir Tools M0062, on this page >>> for >>> $365. >>> https://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm >>> >>> I have done several sets of inner bushings with the HF tool and a ball >>> peen >>> hammer to peen open the sleeve that holds the two halves together. >>> >>> Do yourself a favor and get four of the eccentric bolts for adjusting >>> the >>> inner control arms, they are probably rusted solid in the old joints and >>> you'll never get them to turn. >>> - >>> Max >>> Charleston SC >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another special tool to press those in and out? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change deli
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
I am tempted to tell them to pound sand. Not only that, they have several other listings for the same item with the same shipping amount other than this listing that says 7 sold. On 11/5/2019 8:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: The auction says they’ve sold seven of them. How many of those do you think they screwed up the shipping costs on? They’re screwing you, buddy. -D On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:53 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: So after I paid seller messages me saying they messed on up shipping and want an additional $33 so that puts it about $108. I guess that is still a decent deal? Maybe? On 11/2/2019 9:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I ended up buying this just now: https://www.ebay.com/itm/232069182735 On the other hand, if the inner bushings needs to be replaced it might be better off to just to replace the whole control arm. On 11/2/2019 8:54 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Saw-z-all, torch, various pullers, lots of strong language. Speaking of blue language, my daughter came up with "son of a mother-less banana" for a writing assignment. I thought that was clever. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 21:50:56 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : How did you get the bushings out? On 11/2/2019 8:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: The big honking C clamp that weighs twenty pounds, their universal ball joint tool set. Use that to press in the two halves of the bushing, the hole at the end gives access so you can peen the sleeve outward. Max Dillon Charleston SC Sat Nov 02 21:46:48 EDT 2019 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes : What HF tool did you use to do the bushings? On 11/2/2019 7:23 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Here ya go, $1,100 Klann tool: https://www.samstagsales.com/images/Klann_KL-0039-751.jpg If you get it, I'd like to borrow it when you're done. :) Here's the "proper" inner bushing tool, Sir Tools M0062, on this page for $365. https://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm I have done several sets of inner bushings with the HF tool and a ball peen hammer to peen open the sleeve that holds the two halves together. Do yourself a favor and get four of the eccentric bolts for adjusting the inner control arms, they are probably rusted solid in the old joints and you'll never get them to turn. - Max Charleston SC On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I am getting ready to do ball joints on a 201. I have done a 124 before using the HF tool and some sections of cast iron pipe connections for adapters. With this setup I got it done on the 124 years ago but it was a pain in the ass. I have located the pipe pieces I used but in the move I have no idea where the HF ball joint tool went to. I figure this would be a good time to just get the proper one. So, with that said, what is the proper tool? Car has about 180K on it, should I just pull the control arms and replace the bushings also? That requires another special tool to press those in and out? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
file a complaint with fleabay. You'll either get your money, or the compressor at the price they agreed to. Remember... fleaby always sides with the buyer, right?. Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 11/5/19 7:53 PM: So after I paid seller messages me saying they messed on up shipping and want an additional $33 so that puts it about $108. I guess that is still a decent deal? Maybe? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Just file the complaint with fleabay. Then wait for their pronouncement. IF that fails, complain to paypal. THey'll give back your money Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 11/5/19 8:02 PM: I am tempted to tell them to pound sand. Not only that, they have several other listings for the same item with the same shipping amount other than this listing that says 7 sold. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 22:04:22 -0800 Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > Truck frames are now tempered. They were not, in the past. > This is so that they can be made lighter, but still as strong. The frame of our 2000 Kenworth W900 is tempered. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is a 124 control arm tempered? Max Dillon Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Curly is providing absolutely the best advice! Last month I returned 2 laptops (different sellers) who advertised Back Lit Keyboards which neither had. Both advertised Returns and both paid the return shipping. But one withheld $100 to "Service and clean" the computer (I had it for less than 24 hours) and I filed a complaint. I rec'd a answer from ebay in less than 12 hours and eBay actually paid my full Return Cost no questions asked - other than the basics about name/address, etc. Because the Seller advertised Backlit Keyboards which neither had.\ Actually I've had good experience with eBay when it comes to returns. Keep pushing until you get satisfaction. Personally, rather than paying such a high increase I'd cancel my bid if Ebay or Paypal fail to come to your aid. Good luck! Larry On 11/5/2019 10:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Just file the complaint with fleabay. Then wait for their pronouncement. IF that fails, complain to paypal. THey'll give back your money Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 11/5/19 8:02 PM: I am tempted to tell them to pound sand. Not only that, they have several other listings for the same item with the same shipping amount other than this listing that says 7 sold. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
eBay and PayPal favor the buyer in almost every situation, which is good for you *if* you’re the buyer. If you’re the seller, you’re screwed almost. I sold a laptop a few years ago and the seller got seller’s remorse almost three months after they took delivery. Said they wanted to return it as it was “defective”. I told them that if they returned it to me I would consider a refund as long as it hadn’t been abused. They went dark. A day or two later I got an email from PayPal saying they were going to debit my account for the computer. I told them to stuff it. Since I use a blind bank account to fund my PayPal payments and purchases and I keep like $5 in the account so the bank won’t close it, they took that but got nothing more. They emailed and even called me. I told them I wouldn’t refund a dime until I got the computer back, and provided a copy of the email I had sent the buyer stating so. They suspended my account. Big deal. About six months later I tried using it and it was active again. I’ve used it since and there’s never been a peep out of them. Jerks. -D > On Nov 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > Curly is providing absolutely the best advice!Last month I returned 2 > laptops (different sellers) who advertised Back Lit Keyboards which neither > had. Both advertised Returns and both paid the return shipping. But one > withheld $100 to "Service and clean" the computer (I had it for less than 24 > hours) and I filed a complaint. I rec'd a answer from ebay in less than 12 > hours and eBay actually paid my full Return Cost no questions asked - other > than the basics about name/address, etc. Because the Seller advertised > Backlit Keyboards which neither had.\ > > Actually I've had good experience with eBay when it comes to returns. Keep > pushing until you get satisfaction. Personally, rather than paying such a > high increase I'd cancel my bid if Ebay or Paypal fail to come to your aid. > > Good luck! > Larry > > On 11/5/2019 10:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: >> Just file the complaint with fleabay. Then wait for their pronouncement. >> IF that fails, complain to paypal. THey'll give back your money >> >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 11/5/19 8:02 PM: >>> I am tempted to tell them to pound sand. Not only that, they have several >>> other listings for the same item with the same shipping amount other than >>> this listing that says 7 sold. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
I think the ball's in the seller's court. Either he ships as previously agreed (and paid), or cancels/refunds due to error. Mitch > On November 6, 2019 at 3:56 PM Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Actually I've had good experience with eBay when it comes to returns. > Keep pushing until you get satisfaction. Personally, rather than paying > such a high increase I'd cancel my bid if Ebay or Paypal fail to come to > your aid. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Kaleb - did you ever get the ball joint tool? I just ordered one from the same seller, saw your feedback. Price is supposed to be about $85 with shipping from Germany. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 4:35 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > eBay and PayPal favor the buyer in almost every situation, which is good > for you *if* you’re the buyer. If you’re the seller, you’re screwed almost. > > I sold a laptop a few years ago and the seller got seller’s remorse almost > three months after they took delivery. Said they wanted to return it as it > was “defective”. I told them that if they returned it to me I would > consider a refund as long as it hadn’t been abused. They went dark. > > A day or two later I got an email from PayPal saying they were going to > debit my account for the computer. I told them to stuff it. Since I use a > blind bank account to fund my PayPal payments and purchases and I keep like > $5 in the account so the bank won’t close it, they took that but got > nothing more. They emailed and even called me. I told them I wouldn’t > refund a dime until I got the computer back, and provided a copy of the > email I had sent the buyer stating so. > > They suspended my account. Big deal. > > About six months later I tried using it and it was active again. I’ve used > it since and there’s never been a peep out of them. > > Jerks. > > -D > > > > On Nov 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Curly is providing absolutely the best advice!Last month I returned > 2 laptops (different sellers) who advertised Back Lit Keyboards which > neither had. Both advertised Returns and both paid the return shipping. > But one withheld $100 to "Service and clean" the computer (I had it for > less than 24 hours) and I filed a complaint. I rec'd a answer from ebay in > less than 12 hours and eBay actually paid my full Return Cost no questions > asked - other than the basics about name/address, etc. Because the Seller > advertised Backlit Keyboards which neither had.\ > > > > Actually I've had good experience with eBay when it comes to returns. > Keep pushing until you get satisfaction. Personally, rather than paying > such a high increase I'd cancel my bid if Ebay or Paypal fail to come to > your aid. > > > > Good luck! > > Larry > > > > On 11/5/2019 10:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > >> Just file the complaint with fleabay. Then wait for their > pronouncement. IF that fails, complain to paypal. THey'll give back > your money > >> > >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 11/5/19 8:02 PM: > >>> I am tempted to tell them to pound sand. Not only that, they have > several other listings for the same item with the same shipping amount > other than this listing that says 7 sold. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
That about what I paid, and I never got it. They wanted more money for shipping Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Kaleb - did you ever get the ball joint tool? > > I just ordered one from the same seller, saw your feedback. Price is > supposed to be about $85 with shipping from Germany. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 4:35 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> eBay and PayPal favor the buyer in almost every situation, which is good >> for you *if* you’re the buyer. If you’re the seller, you’re screwed almost. >> >> I sold a laptop a few years ago and the seller got seller’s remorse almost >> three months after they took delivery. Said they wanted to return it as it >> was “defective”. I told them that if they returned it to me I would >> consider a refund as long as it hadn’t been abused. They went dark. >> >> A day or two later I got an email from PayPal saying they were going to >> debit my account for the computer. I told them to stuff it. Since I use a >> blind bank account to fund my PayPal payments and purchases and I keep like >> $5 in the account so the bank won’t close it, they took that but got >> nothing more. They emailed and even called me. I told them I wouldn’t >> refund a dime until I got the computer back, and provided a copy of the >> email I had sent the buyer stating so. >> >> They suspended my account. Big deal. >> >> About six months later I tried using it and it was active again. I’ve used >> it since and there’s never been a peep out of them. >> >> Jerks. >> >> -D >> >> >>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Curly is providing absolutely the best advice!Last month I returned >> 2 laptops (different sellers) who advertised Back Lit Keyboards which >> neither had. Both advertised Returns and both paid the return shipping. >> But one withheld $100 to "Service and clean" the computer (I had it for >> less than 24 hours) and I filed a complaint. I rec'd a answer from ebay in >> less than 12 hours and eBay actually paid my full Return Cost no questions >> asked - other than the basics about name/address, etc. Because the Seller >> advertised Backlit Keyboards which neither had.\ >>> >>> Actually I've had good experience with eBay when it comes to returns. >> Keep pushing until you get satisfaction. Personally, rather than paying >> such a high increase I'd cancel my bid if Ebay or Paypal fail to come to >> your aid. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> Larry >>> >>> On 11/5/2019 10:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Just file the complaint with fleabay. Then wait for their >> pronouncement. IF that fails, complain to paypal. THey'll give back >> your money Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 11/5/19 8:02 PM: > I am tempted to tell them to pound sand. Not only that, they have >> several other listings for the same item with the same shipping amount >> other than this listing that says 7 sold. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Yeah but the ebay advert clearly says shipping to USA is about $15. I double checked that. - Max Charleston SC On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 3:20 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That about what I paid, and I never got it. They wanted more money for > shipping > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 17, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Kaleb - did you ever get the ball joint tool? > > > > I just ordered one from the same seller, saw your feedback. Price is > > supposed to be about $85 with shipping from Germany. > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 4:35 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> eBay and PayPal favor the buyer in almost every situation, which is good > >> for you *if* you’re the buyer. If you’re the seller, you’re screwed > almost. > >> > >> I sold a laptop a few years ago and the seller got seller’s remorse > almost > >> three months after they took delivery. Said they wanted to return it as > it > >> was “defective”. I told them that if they returned it to me I would > >> consider a refund as long as it hadn’t been abused. They went dark. > >> > >> A day or two later I got an email from PayPal saying they were going to > >> debit my account for the computer. I told them to stuff it. Since I use > a > >> blind bank account to fund my PayPal payments and purchases and I keep > like > >> $5 in the account so the bank won’t close it, they took that but got > >> nothing more. They emailed and even called me. I told them I wouldn’t > >> refund a dime until I got the computer back, and provided a copy of the > >> email I had sent the buyer stating so. > >> > >> They suspended my account. Big deal. > >> > >> About six months later I tried using it and it was active again. I’ve > used > >> it since and there’s never been a peep out of them. > >> > >> Jerks. > >> > >> -D > >> > >> > >>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Curly is providing absolutely the best advice!Last month I > returned > >> 2 laptops (different sellers) who advertised Back Lit Keyboards which > >> neither had. Both advertised Returns and both paid the return shipping. > >> But one withheld $100 to "Service and clean" the computer (I had it for > >> less than 24 hours) and I filed a complaint. I rec'd a answer from > ebay in > >> less than 12 hours and eBay actually paid my full Return Cost no > questions > >> asked - other than the basics about name/address, etc. Because the > Seller > >> advertised Backlit Keyboards which neither had.\ > >>> > >>> Actually I've had good experience with eBay when it comes to returns. > >> Keep pushing until you get satisfaction. Personally, rather than paying > >> such a high increase I'd cancel my bid if Ebay or Paypal fail to come to > >> your aid. > >>> > >>> Good luck! > >>> Larry > >>> > >>> On 11/5/2019 10:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > Just file the complaint with fleabay. Then wait for their > >> pronouncement. IF that fails, complain to paypal. THey'll give back > >> your money > > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 11/5/19 8:02 PM: > > I am tempted to tell them to pound sand. Not only that, they have > >> several other listings for the same item with the same shipping amount > >> other than this listing that says 7 sold. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Yep. So did the auction I bid on. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2019, at 2:25 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yeah but the ebay advert clearly says shipping to USA is about $15. I > double checked that. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 3:20 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> That about what I paid, and I never got it. They wanted more money for >> shipping >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Kaleb - did you ever get the ball joint tool? >>> >>> I just ordered one from the same seller, saw your feedback. Price is >>> supposed to be about $85 with shipping from Germany. >>> - >>> Max >>> Charleston SC >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 4:35 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: eBay and PayPal favor the buyer in almost every situation, which is good for you *if* you’re the buyer. If you’re the seller, you’re screwed >> almost. I sold a laptop a few years ago and the seller got seller’s remorse >> almost three months after they took delivery. Said they wanted to return it as >> it was “defective”. I told them that if they returned it to me I would consider a refund as long as it hadn’t been abused. They went dark. A day or two later I got an email from PayPal saying they were going to debit my account for the computer. I told them to stuff it. Since I use >> a blind bank account to fund my PayPal payments and purchases and I keep >> like $5 in the account so the bank won’t close it, they took that but got nothing more. They emailed and even called me. I told them I wouldn’t refund a dime until I got the computer back, and provided a copy of the email I had sent the buyer stating so. They suspended my account. Big deal. About six months later I tried using it and it was active again. I’ve >> used it since and there’s never been a peep out of them. Jerks. -D > On Nov 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Curly is providing absolutely the best advice!Last month I >> returned 2 laptops (different sellers) who advertised Back Lit Keyboards which neither had. Both advertised Returns and both paid the return shipping. But one withheld $100 to "Service and clean" the computer (I had it for less than 24 hours) and I filed a complaint. I rec'd a answer from >> ebay in less than 12 hours and eBay actually paid my full Return Cost no >> questions asked - other than the basics about name/address, etc. Because the >> Seller advertised Backlit Keyboards which neither had.\ > > Actually I've had good experience with eBay when it comes to returns. Keep pushing until you get satisfaction. Personally, rather than paying such a high increase I'd cancel my bid if Ebay or Paypal fail to come to your aid. > > Good luck! > Larry > > On 11/5/2019 10:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: >> Just file the complaint with fleabay. Then wait for their pronouncement. IF that fails, complain to paypal. THey'll give back your money >> >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 11/5/19 8:02 PM: >>> I am tempted to tell them to pound sand. Not only that, they have several other listings for the same item with the same shipping amount other than this listing that says 7 sold. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubs
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
So we should get everyone on the list to hit the seller with a purchase, cancel when he tries the bait and switch, and drive his rating down. - Max Charleston SC On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 3:27 PM Kaleb Striplin wrote: > Yep. So did the auction I bid on. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 17, 2019, at 2:25 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Yeah but the ebay advert clearly says shipping to USA is about $15. I > > double checked that. > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > > > > >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 3:20 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> That about what I paid, and I never got it. They wanted more money for > >> shipping > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Kaleb - did you ever get the ball joint tool? > >>> > >>> I just ordered one from the same seller, saw your feedback. Price is > >>> supposed to be about $85 with shipping from Germany. > >>> - > >>> Max > >>> Charleston SC > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 4:35 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > eBay and PayPal favor the buyer in almost every situation, which is > good > for you *if* you’re the buyer. If you’re the seller, you’re screwed > >> almost. > > I sold a laptop a few years ago and the seller got seller’s remorse > >> almost > three months after they took delivery. Said they wanted to return it > as > >> it > was “defective”. I told them that if they returned it to me I would > consider a refund as long as it hadn’t been abused. They went dark. > > A day or two later I got an email from PayPal saying they were going > to > debit my account for the computer. I told them to stuff it. Since I > use > >> a > blind bank account to fund my PayPal payments and purchases and I keep > >> like > $5 in the account so the bank won’t close it, they took that but got > nothing more. They emailed and even called me. I told them I wouldn’t > refund a dime until I got the computer back, and provided a copy of > the > email I had sent the buyer stating so. > > They suspended my account. Big deal. > > About six months later I tried using it and it was active again. I’ve > >> used > it since and there’s never been a peep out of them. > > Jerks. > > -D > > > > On Nov 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Curly is providing absolutely the best advice!Last month I > >> returned > 2 laptops (different sellers) who advertised Back Lit Keyboards which > neither had. Both advertised Returns and both paid the return > shipping. > But one withheld $100 to "Service and clean" the computer (I had it > for > less than 24 hours) and I filed a complaint. I rec'd a answer from > >> ebay in > less than 12 hours and eBay actually paid my full Return Cost no > >> questions > asked - other than the basics about name/address, etc. Because the > >> Seller > advertised Backlit Keyboards which neither had.\ > > > > Actually I've had good experience with eBay when it comes to returns. > Keep pushing until you get satisfaction. Personally, rather than > paying > such a high increase I'd cancel my bid if Ebay or Paypal fail to come > to > your aid. > > > > Good luck! > > Larry > > > > On 11/5/2019 10:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > >> Just file the complaint with fleabay. Then wait for their > pronouncement. IF that fails, complain to paypal. THey'll give > back > your money > >> > >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 11/5/19 8:02 PM: > >>> I am tempted to tell them to pound sand. Not only that, they have > several other listings for the same item with the same shipping amount > other than this listing that says 7 sold. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mai
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
When Kaleb didn't pay extra for shipping, did the seller refund the money, or keep the money and the tool? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
When they asked for more money, I said I would have to stick with the original agreement. I then never heard anything or received the part. Filed complaint with eBay and seller sent refund. I really just need the damn tool. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > > When Kaleb didn't pay extra for shipping, did the seller refund the money, or > keep the money and the tool? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
So I'm now getting hit with a request for more $. Told 'em I want the listing to be updated with correct shipping, then I'll purchase new auction and cancel original auction. For an extra $25 in shipping, I think it is still probably a good deal. If / when I actually get the tool and see if it works, I'll give 'em a negative rating for the price increase on the shipping and delay due to back-n-forth. - Max Charleston SC On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 6:31 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > When they asked for more money, I said I would have to stick with the > original agreement. I then never heard anything or received the part. Filed > complaint with eBay and seller sent refund. I really just need the damn > tool. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 17, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > When Kaleb didn't pay extra for shipping, did the seller refund the > money, or keep the money and the tool? > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
Yep here we go. I think they wanted another $40 from me Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > So I'm now getting hit with a request for more $. Told 'em I want the > listing to be updated with correct shipping, then I'll purchase new auction > and cancel original auction. For an extra $25 in shipping, I think it is > still probably a good deal. > > If / when I actually get the tool and see if it works, I'll give 'em a > negative rating for the price increase on the shipping and delay due to > back-n-forth. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 6:31 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> When they asked for more money, I said I would have to stick with the >> original agreement. I then never heard anything or received the part. Filed >> complaint with eBay and seller sent refund. I really just need the damn >> tool. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> When Kaleb didn't pay extra for shipping, did the seller refund the >> money, or keep the money and the tool? >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
So seller updated the listing with corrected shipping, an extra 20 Euros, so the total cost is now about $120. Bought that, cancelled first order, I'll let y'all know how the tool works. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kaleb Striplin wrote: > Yep here we go. I think they wanted another $40 from me > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 18, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > So I'm now getting hit with a request for more $. Told 'em I want the > > listing to be updated with correct shipping, then I'll purchase new > auction > > and cancel original auction. For an extra $25 in shipping, I think it is > > still probably a good deal. > > > > If / when I actually get the tool and see if it works, I'll give 'em a > > negative rating for the price increase on the shipping and delay due to > > back-n-forth. > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > > > > >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 6:31 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> When they asked for more money, I said I would have to stick with the > >> original agreement. I then never heard anything or received the part. > Filed > >> complaint with eBay and seller sent refund. I really just need the damn > >> tool. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> When Kaleb didn't pay extra for shipping, did the seller refund the > >> money, or keep the money and the tool? > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Abzieher-190-w-201-u-w-124-Traggelenke-Spezialwerkzeug-Presse/331281218248?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 Get 'em while they're hot! Total shipping is now about $41. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:38 AM Meade Dillon wrote: > So seller updated the listing with corrected shipping, an extra 20 Euros, > so the total cost is now about $120. Bought that, cancelled first order, > I'll let y'all know how the tool works. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kaleb Striplin wrote: > >> Yep here we go. I think they wanted another $40 from me >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Dec 18, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > So I'm now getting hit with a request for more $. Told 'em I want the >> > listing to be updated with correct shipping, then I'll purchase new >> auction >> > and cancel original auction. For an extra $25 in shipping, I think it >> is >> > still probably a good deal. >> > >> > If / when I actually get the tool and see if it works, I'll give 'em a >> > negative rating for the price increase on the shipping and delay due to >> > back-n-forth. >> > - >> > Max >> > Charleston SC >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 6:31 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> When they asked for more money, I said I would have to stick with the >> >> original agreement. I then never heard anything or received the part. >> Filed >> >> complaint with eBay and seller sent refund. I really just need the damn >> >> tool. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On Dec 17, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> When Kaleb didn't pay extra for shipping, did the seller refund the >> >> money, or keep the money and the tool? >> >>> >> >>> ___ >> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >>> >> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
On 18/12/2019 9:29 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-Abzieher-190-w-201-u-w-124-Traggelenke-Spezialwerkzeug-Presse/331281218248?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 Get 'em while they're hot! Total shipping is now about $41. - Max Charleston SC Looks pretty basic. Make your own? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
How about sharing dimensions once you get it? On 18/12/2019 8:38 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: So seller updated the listing with corrected shipping, an extra 20 Euros, so the total cost is now about $120. Bought that, cancelled first order, I'll let y'all know how the tool works. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124/201 ball joint tool
I can probably do that, after I use it and have valuable feedback. DIY tool-making would be fun, but for this one would need a lathe and a saw and a drill press, maybe a plasma cutter, and then some stock. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 11:06 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > How about sharing dimensions once you get it? > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
