Re: [MBZ] 220D seller on CRACK!
I hate it when they want top $$ (firm!!) yet are too cheap to post even one photo On 12/20/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an ad for a 1970 220D for $3200. for that price, it sure does need lots of work. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/251587390.html I could buy nearly 3 of my 300SD's for that! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula bought for $1300, what a steal! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D seller on CRACK!
That's 6 300SDs if Kaleb were buying. On 12/20/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an ad for a 1970 220D for $3200. for that price, it sure does need lots of work. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/251587390.html I could buy nearly 3 of my 300SD's for that! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula bought for $1300, what a steal! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D heads
I posted this earlier this year, but since no one commented, I'll just post it again. One the senior techs at my dealer told me that when 220Ds were new, they were replacing cylinder heads by the carload. And that may have been in the day of the five-foot five-minute warranty period. At Porsche, its the Customer Financed Testing Program. Or, was. RLE
Re: [MBZ] 220D heads
Yup. Starting in the late 60's, Benz took over design and production of their cylinder heads from the company they had been buying them from. It seems they were quite rude about it, and the original design stayed with the original company, and cooperation was, well, mostly non-existant. The result was very short lifetime -- severe cracking problems, particularly on the small diesels. It got to the point that my friend Hans said his father wouldn't buy one with less than 20,000 miles on it, on the theory that if it was still running, it was a good one and would go quite a while more. Hans eventually recommended that they use something else for their taxis until Benz got the problem solved. There are at least four head designs installed on the 615, and not all heads are compatible with all blocks, and I believe there are several head gaskets as well. Eventually, they became quite reliable. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 220D heads
There are at least four head designs installed on the 615, and not all heads are compatible with all blocks, and I believe there are several head gaskets as well. My 200D has, I believe, a 240D head. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D Oil Consumption
One question I have, now that the vacuum pump is open. Should the two check valves be seated the same way? Currently they are not: To the diaphragm chamber one valve needs to face one way and the other the other. That's what ensures the air moves in one direction as it's pumped, if it were wrong you would get no vacuum at all. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D Oil Consumption
dave cashour wrote: One question I have, now that the vacuum pump is open. Should the two check valves be seated the same way? Currently they are not: the check valve that leads to the brake booster hose allows air to be sucked inward, creating a vacuum in the brake booster. The check valve that leads to the intake manifold is the opposite, allowing air to be sucked outward, toward the intake. Sounds about right. You want to suck air from the vacuum side and pump it to the intake. If the check valves on inlet and outlet both sucked, where would the air go?
Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.
WTF?!? 38-40mpg? with a huge sail up front and that twister that got Dorothy and her little dog. Maybe. Gump is not making more than 30mpg, and she has nothing to rob engine power, is a stick and has a very strong engine. This is a seller on severe crack pipe withdrawl. On Sunday, March 19, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Donald Snook wrote: http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/142329858.html 1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200 _ Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Benz%20220 %20diesel%20-%20$4200%20 Date: 2006-03-15, 11:34PM CST Vintage MZB in excellent original condition. 175,000 miles. New engine and transmission--60,000 miles ago. New paint. Interior leather. New tires. MPG 38-40 at cruising speed. 1-785-827-5468 * This item has been posted by-owner. * this is in or around Salina, Kansas * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.
Best my 1979 240 D does with auto and only 78k miles is around 30mpg I often question this new math?? - Original Message - From: redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation. WTF?!? 38-40mpg? with a huge sail up front and that twister that got Dorothy and her little dog. Maybe. Gump is not making more than 30mpg, and she has nothing to rob engine power, is a stick and has a very strong engine. This is a seller on severe crack pipe withdrawl. On Sunday, March 19, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Donald Snook wrote: http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/142329858.html 1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200 _ Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Benz%20220 %20diesel%20-%20$4200%20 Date: 2006-03-15, 11:34PM CST Vintage MZB in excellent original condition. 175,000 miles. New engine and transmission--60,000 miles ago. New paint. Interior leather. New tires. MPG 38-40 at cruising speed. 1-785-827-5468 * This item has been posted by-owner. * this is in or around Salina, Kansas * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.
Heck, if I do the going-to-put-it-on-ebay-math, I get 52mpg with my 300D!! Also, on a slightly related note, bio suddenly dropped to $2.609 on the only pump in Phoenix. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 150K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation. Best my 1979 240 D does with auto and only 78k miles is around 30mpg I often question this new math?? - Original Message - From: redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation. WTF?!? 38-40mpg? with a huge sail up front and that twister that got Dorothy and her little dog. Maybe. Gump is not making more than 30mpg, and she has nothing to rob engine power, is a stick and has a very strong engine. This is a seller on severe crack pipe withdrawl. On Sunday, March 19, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Donald Snook wrote: http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/142329858.html 1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200 _ Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Benz%20220 %20diesel%20-%20$4200%20 Date: 2006-03-15, 11:34PM CST Vintage MZB in excellent original condition. 175,000 miles. New engine and transmission--60,000 miles ago. New paint. Interior leather. New tires. MPG 38-40 at cruising speed. 1-785-827-5468 * This item has been posted by-owner. * this is in or around Salina, Kansas * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.
I hope it goes like the Shockers! Woo Hoo...Go MVC! Bob Rentfro '77 300D 150K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation. http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/142329858.html 1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200 _ Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] %20diesel%20-%20$4200%20 Date: 2006-03-15, 11:34PM CST Vintage MZB in excellent original condition. 175,000 miles. New engine and transmission--60,000 miles ago. New paint. Interior leather. New tires. MPG 38-40 at cruising speed. 1-785-827-5468 * This item has been posted by-owner. * this is in or around Salina, Kansas * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D
GO FOR IT! Not sure there was a giant difference at all in the 115 bodies related to radiator. The alternators set up... well the whole engine is not the same. Radiator should be swappable. If not, I will find one at the PnP On Thursday, March 9, 2006, at 01:35 PM, kevin kraly wrote: I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin! It's been crashed in the front resulting in a punctured radiator. Will my 220D rad fit into it? Also, are the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models? All that this 240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad. The car is about 80 miles from me. Kevin in HIllsboro Oregon 1973 220D parting out ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:35:30PM -0800, kevin kraly wrote: I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin! It's been crashed in the front resulting in a punctured radiator. Will my 220D rad fit into it? Also, are the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models? All that this 240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad. The car is about 80 miles from me. I'd imagine any 115 diesel radiator would work. Catch is, automatics usually have a transmission warmer provision in the radiator (though some usually call it a tranny cooler) that manuals do not. This is certainly the case in W201s. Junkyard radiators are extremely cheap, and u-pull ones are as well, especially if you can solder/repair a holed tank. K
Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D
I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin! It's been crashed in the front resulting in a punctured radiator. Will my 220D rad fit into it? Also, are the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models? All that this 240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad. The car is about 80 miles from me. I'd imagine any 115 diesel radiator would work. Catch is, automatics usually have a transmission warmer provision in the radiator (though some usually call it a tranny cooler) that manuals do not. This is certainly the case in W201s. I believe both mechanisms are at work. Rather elegant. The Frankenheap (115) is currently sporting a 123 automatic radiator, though as I recall I unsoldered the side rails from the original and they're in there spacing things out. It fits surprisingly well. You can use an automatic's radiator in a manual, but not vice-versa. For free you can certainly afford to play around a bit. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D
You can use an automatic's radiator in a manual, The MB Gods are on my side with this one so far! My 220D is an auto thus it has the tranny cooler/warmer lines. I'll really know if a good luck streak is headed my way if this 240D is a manny tranny! However, if it's an auto, I'm still more than happy to take it off their hands. She wants it to go to someone with a love for MB diesels rather than have it go to the crusher, not the place a potentially good 240D should go! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D who's taken her last breath, but can now give another car a new lease on life through organ donation
Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D
You can more than likely use a manual tranny rad in a car with an auto as well if you just add an after market tranny cooler somewhere. You won't get the tranny warming function noted in this thread but you should be able to keep the tranny cooled if need be. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of kevin kraly Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D You can use an automatic's radiator in a manual, The MB Gods are on my side with this one so far! My 220D is an auto thus it has the tranny cooler/warmer lines. I'll really know if a good luck streak is headed my way if this 240D is a manny tranny! However, if it's an auto, I'm still more than happy to take it off their hands. She wants it to go to someone with a love for MB diesels rather than have it go to the crusher, not the place a potentially good 240D should go! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D who's taken her last breath, but can now give another car a new lease on life through organ donation ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D
Kevin, I owned a 220D and two 240D's and I don't remember if the radiators are different. The radiators are different between the manual and auto tranny models. The auto tranny model has a transmission cooling coil built into the radiator. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of kevin kraly Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:36 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin! It's been crashed in the front resulting in a punctured radiator. Will my 220D rad fit into it? Also, are the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models? All that this 240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad. The car is about 80 miles from me. Kevin in HIllsboro Oregon 1973 220D parting out ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D trunk floor progress (or lack thereof)
Well, I did the unthinkable. I grew attached to the thing and I'm doing my part in preserving automotive history. Actually, I quite enjoy the challenge. OK, you got me, I'm out of my mind! Dimitri --- kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why are you doing all this work to a very rusty car? He should just buy mine that has a rusty, but mostly in tact, trunk floor, but other than that, the body is RUST FREE! All he would have to do is transplant the engine/tranny in there and he would be set! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D parting out ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D trunk floor progress (or lack thereof)
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:54:25 -0800 (PST) Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I did the unthinkable. I grew attached to the thing and I'm doing my part in preserving automotive history. Actually, I quite enjoy the challenge. OK, you got me, I'm out of my mind! Well, OK, at least you're being honest! Craig
Re: [MBZ] 220D trunk floor progress (or lack thereof)
Well, I did the unthinkable. I grew attached to the thing and I'm doing my part in preserving automotive history. Actually, I quite enjoy the challenge. OK, you got me, I'm out of my mind! It's kind of fun. Once. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D trunk floor progress (or lack thereof)
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:28:38 -0800 (PST) Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some photos of my very rusty trunk floor and the new factory replacement. Some sections have been cut out revealing exhaust system and fuel tank. Rusty lower left quarter panel will also be cut out and new piece welded in. So why are you doing all this work to a very rusty car? Craig
Re: [MBZ] 220D trunk floor progress (or lack thereof)
So why are you doing all this work to a very rusty car? He should just buy mine that has a rusty, but mostly in tact, trunk floor, but other than that, the body is RUST FREE! All he would have to do is transplant the engine/tranny in there and he would be set! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D parting out
Re: [MBZ] 220D tranny shifter types?
kevin kraly wrote: OK W115 owners (Clay). This 1973 220D has an auto tranny with the column shifter. Could both the mannies and autos be had with a column or floor shifter? If I end up buying or hauling off the 1972 220D manny tranny car and decide to just transfer both the engine and tranny over to my auto 220D, would I also have to put in a floor shifter? What type of shifter does Gump have? Most of the manual transmissions that came to the US after about 1965 were on the floor but they were still available on the column for a while. I can't remember whether my '67 200D (W110) auto was a column or floor shift, but my '66 200D manual was a floor shift. By '74 all the W115s (auto or manual) that came to the US were on the floor. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] 220D tranny shifter types?
Gump has four on the floor. There is a patch job on your car in that spot to allow you to install either manual or auto shift. The stalk shifter I suspect is that way so that the dash indicator can show which gear you are using. with on the floor, indicator is not needed in the cluster On Friday, February 24, 2006, at 12:28 AM, kevin kraly wrote: OK W115 owners (Clay). This 1973 220D has an auto tranny with the column shifter. Could both the mannies and autos be had with a column or floor shifter? If I end up buying or hauling off the 1972 220D manny tranny car and decide to just transfer both the engine and tranny over to my auto 220D, would I also have to put in a floor shifter? What type of shifter does Gump have? Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D tranny shifter types?
The 280S that I checked for Ed B. was column shift. There was a patched panel thing on the floor where a real shift would have been. No mess with console. Might have been some mess with Gump had she had shaft shifter. the console floor would need sawzall to make a spot for shifter. On Friday, February 24, 2006, at 07:48 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Could both the mannies and autos be had with a column or floor shifter? The Frankenheap has both floor and column shifters, hence the Franken part of the name. (Nuttin' to do with Al.) To convert to a manual you'll need a different steering column, one with all three linkages coming out of it, or you'll need to convert to a floor shifter. I don't believe the auto shift column can run a manual tranny. The Frankenheap has the column you'd need, but there is _no_ way I'm going to swap it out! There are some serious differences in the console floating around, what was done to the Frankenheap's to make room for the floor shifter was not pretty. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
On Monday, February 20, 2006, at 04:53 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: If you put grinding stones in it, it's a grinder. If you put cutoff wheels in it... It's called a die grinder because die makers use them. To grind on their dies. Obviously they have other uses too. -- Jim Dentists have another name for it too. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
kevin kraly wrote: Hi, Dimitri. Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't think that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while. You could do what I did on my old Volvo 240. I used a 3M Rust And Paint Removal Wheel to remove as much rust and bubbled paint as I could, then cut off the danglies to make a relatively smooth opening. Painted with rust converter on both sides, then primed it. Once the paint was dry, I cut patches out of galvanized sheet metal from Home Depot, leaving a bit of overlap all around, and pop-riveted them in place with a bit of silicone sealer in between. It looked like hell, but it kept the water and exhaust fumes out. The only power tool I used was a cordless electric drill; a pair of aviation snips, pliers, vise grips, and a pop-rivet gun took care of the rest. Don't forget to wear a dust mask when using the paint removal wheel, and don't skip the rust converter and primer steps or you'll just have a bigger hole in a year.
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
You might want to consider the Nibbler - made for cutting metal - fits in a drill - electric or air powered - and nibbles little chunks of metal - like chewing. Eastwood carries them along with some others. I actually have the Eastwood drill mounted nibbler. Its ok for making coarse cuts but lacks precision. It's hard to keep the thing cutting in a straight line. Also the dies wear out fast and are not cheap to replace. Another problem is that it cuts out a wide strip of metal making it hard to judge were the edge of what you are cutting is. I was wondering about electric shears like those made by Milwaukee and Bosch. I think there are two and three blade varieties. Anyone have any experience with these? For fabrication purposes a Beverly shear would be awesome! Dimitri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
Trunk floor cost $180 plus $70 for shipping. Took over one month to come from Germany. Apparently there were none in existence anywhere inthe world, hence the wait. Did they stamp me a new one? I don't know? Anyway local dealership wanted $240. Since I had already waited a month for it to arrive with the initial KK order I just bought it from them. Besides they were extremely polite and helpful. in addition to the gaping holes my trunk floor was/is also very thinned out from rust. Almost entire trunk is rusty. From an investment point of view, the time and labor that I'm putting into this car is not worth it. I Love this car and would not like to see it junked. Overall, its in pretty good shape rustwise except for the mentioned areas. It resides in San Diego for 19 years and then it moved to Boston for another nine. Boston was rough on its sheetmetal. It's now in D.C with a significantly decreased salt exposure. Its a tough little thing. It took a cross country trip and back in 2003 with nothing but a glow plug burning out. Luckily, I had a spare. Those are not easy to come by in the middle of nowhere. I bought four at a small Mercedes shop in Reno, Nevada and always keep at least one in the car. Dimitri kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, another 1973 220D with rust in the trunk floor! This one I have is not actually rusted through, but it wouldn't take much to break through it. From the looks of it, it seems like the floor is rusted from moisture coming through the trunk or window seal rather than road salt How much was the floor panel that you purchased? Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D project ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net - Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Feb 20 02:33:52 2006 Received: from isb.comsats.net.pk ([210.56.8.10]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FB0s3-00023e-TC for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:33:52 + Received: from yasir056e893f7 ([203.124.44.89]) by isb.comsats.net.pk with SMTP id k1K2Xhc0014638 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:33:44 +0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: M.Afzaal Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:33:29 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on isb.comsats.net.pk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Manuals W126 X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:33:52 - I would like to get a M103 specific engine manual for my 300se/126. mak Id forgotten about TMC - it;s run by a guy named Roger if it;s the same place. Was *big* into literature. I bought my 72 280SE 4.5 from him - picked it up the same weekend that Nicklaus won the masters for the last time. I was driving it home and missed it. Oh well. Roger used to buy MB stuff from me from time to time - back when I operated a mail order MB parts business. Back before everybody and his brother was doing it. I'll give him a call - I;m sure he's still in Hemmings. Thanks! Sincerely, Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Manuals On Friday, February 17, 2006, at 06:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any aftermarket vendors sell them?
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
Hi, Dimitri. Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't think that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while. I do hope that I'm able to get the engine running soon. I have the valve adjustment wrenches on order, so I'll be able to adjust them to spec if needed. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D project
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't think that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while. Microwave oven sheet metal is free, just ask the Frankenheap. But don't look too closely! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that I can use air powered cutoff tool. Dremel cut off wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of cutting. At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive, also really slow, and there's a lot of rusty trunk to cut out. --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't think that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while. Microwave oven sheet metal is free, just ask the Frankenheap. But don't look too closely! -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
you need a cutting torch set Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that I can use air powered cutoff tool. Dremel cut off wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of cutting. At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive, also really slow, and there's a lot of rusty trunk to cut out. --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't think that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while. Microwave oven sheet metal is free, just ask the Frankenheap. But don't look too closely! -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
You can get an angle grinder for $50-125 (depending on size, power, etc.) that takes cutoff wheels, you can also put wire brushes and other things on it. I have a Dewalt, a nice tool. Unless you get a big compressor that cutoff tool will drain it quickly then you have to wait awhile for it to recharge. --R Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that I can use air powered cutoff tool. Dremel cut off wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of cutting. At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive, also really slow, and there's a lot of rusty trunk to cut out. --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't think that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while. Microwave oven sheet metal is free, just ask the Frankenheap. But don't look too closely! -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that I can use air powered cutoff tool. Dremel cut off wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of cutting. At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive, also really slow, and there's a lot of rusty trunk to cut out. Having air is nice, for many things, but it'll take one hell of a compressor to run a cutoff tool. A $15 Harbor Freight cheapie angle grinder and a $10 pack of wheels will probably serve pretty well, as might a sawzall. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
You wrote:buy an air compressor so that I can use air powered cutoff tool You might want to consider the Nibbler - made for cutting metal - fits in a drill - electric or air powered - and nibbles little chunks of metal - like chewing. Eastwood carries them along with some others. The air powered tool is called a die grinder IIRC and you;re right, they cut really well - make sure the air compressor has enough capacity to power the grinder (which actually has a thin cutting wheel - don't know why it's called a grinder) else the tool will keep slowing down. I have the die grinder with 3 wheels that are about 1/16 thick - they really cut thru auto sheetmetal quickly. I also have an air powered chisel set - which I was never impressed with. Good luck - you;re entering territory that I have vowed to never enter again - the dreaded Valley of Rust. ;-) Sincerely, Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Dimitri Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that I can use air powered cutoff tool. Dremel cut off wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of cutting. At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive, also really slow, and there's a lot of rusty trunk to cut out. --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't think that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while. Microwave oven sheet metal is free, just ask the Frankenheap. But don't look too closely! -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
Microwave oven sheet metal is free, I love it! It carries on with the philosophy of not trying to make a car into something it is not. Dependable, cheap transportation is what a 220D is all about. Good looks aren't that important. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D project
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as might a sawzall. The sawzall is a great suggestion! I'm sure that it would save time as well. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D project
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
Microwave oven sheet metal is free, I love it! It carries on with the philosophy of not trying to make a car into something it is not. Dependable, cheap transportation is what a 220D is all about. Good looks aren't that important. And good thing, too, when mashing microwave oven lids flat and stitching them to the bottom of something like the Frankenheap! A rusty/nasty 115 isn't worth a lot of money to 'preserve'. A _nice_ one, however, is something else. I still want to somehow put the microwave control panel on the floorboards of the Frankenheap, under the carpet, and powered so that it does something. Maybe if you step in the wrong place it beeps? My mom (sadly gone now) is the one who suggested that I make sure I cut the cords off the ovens so they didn't drag on the ground. -- Jim
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(which actually has a thin cutting wheel - don't know why it's called a grinder) else the tool will keep slowing down. If you put grinding stones in it, it's a grinder. If you put cutoff wheels in it... It's called a die grinder because die makers use them. To grind on their dies. Obviously they have other uses too. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
Ah, another 1973 220D with rust in the trunk floor! This one I have is not actually rusted through, but it wouldn't take much to break through it. From the looks of it, it seems like the floor is rusted from moisture coming through the trunk or window seal rather than road salt How much was the floor panel that you purchased? Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1973 220D project
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
AHhhh, So I open the door and do the scooter thing as my altitude HP adjust then On Tuesday, January 17, 2006, at 09:20 AM, Marshall Booth wrote: redghost wrote: There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea level The manual altitude adjuster (if your car has one - few do) is ON the injection pump - NOT on the dash. The adjuster on the dash is the idle adjust. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
Its a big knob right on the top, will have different numbers for feet, like 15000 etc. R A Bennell wrote: So, what does it look like and where is it on the pump? My 115 300D should have it? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers redghost wrote: There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea level The manual altitude adjuster (if your car has one - few do) is ON the injection pump - NOT on the dash. The adjuster on the dash is the idle adjust. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
It's at the rear of the pump - closer to the firewall. I was never sure whether the numbers were in feet or meters - just turn it till it stops smoking (only four positions, IIRC). On 1/17/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a big knob right on the top, will have different numbers for feet, like 15000 etc. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
Give her a chance to dry out enough so it does not look like some dominatrix is running a dungeon inside the cabin On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 09:23 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I will have to post some once the rain goes away and I can get a camera out. Now why would you want NON-representative pictures anyway? -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
I played with it today. Cranked it all the way off, and it was running well, turned it CCW and got some more idle speed. Not so cold I need to use it if I just glow enough. On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 09:26 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Well, whatever it does, I do not use it Hardly cold enough there? Often by now it doesn't work anyway. Your base idle speed could also be set a little high. I use mine every time. I take it off at the bottom of the hill. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
Not a chance, the W115 220/240 has a vacuum governor and NO altitude adjustment -- the 300D W115 does, but not the W123s -- they have and anaeroid. Adjust the smoke with the max speed screw on the throttle flap in the intake, or the max delivery screw on the back of the IP -- you should have just visible traces at full throttle in 3rd gear at 55 mph. I'd also check the timing chain -- a worn chain will cause hard starts and excessive smoke. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea level On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 07:12 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im pretty sure they had altitude compensasion, but it was manually adjusted, in other words if you were going to be running in a higher altitude you had to turn an adjustment on the pump. I know the 115 300D has that, and I think the 240D did as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/15/2006 1:34:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We're contemplating a 220D project. Questions: 1. How does the 0-60 time compare to the 240D? 2. Is there any significant advantage in fuel economy over the 240D? 3. Are there any other major differences between the W115 220D and 240D? Bruce, Either car would make a stout vehicle that should run until it rusts away. I had a 66 200D and a 74 240D both with 4speed manual transmissions. We drove each of them well over 100,000 miles after I overhauled them. The 200D, being lighter, would accelerate about even with the 240D, which had about 5 more horsepower. As to the differences: The 220D will have a 4.08:1 axle vs the 3.69 of the 240D, so it would top out sooner and be much more buzzy at 75 MPH. Engine speed does not seem to affect MPG so the lighter 220D will get better mileage. The 240D (3205#)is 200# heavier than the 220D (2997#). Most important, both of mine smoked like crazy at high atltitude as they had no altitude compensation. For this reason, I would recommend that you look for a 75-76 version of the 240D, 115 chassis, as they did have the ADA, an altitude compensator on the fuel injection pump. I am sure this injector could be retrofitted to the earlier fours if you already have a car in hand. Finally, the 76 model got a 20.6 gallon fuel tank vs 17. 2 for earlier models of the 115. Have fun! Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 140 K miles ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:14:46 -0800 redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea level The little adjusty thing on the dash is the idle stop -- it raises the idle speed when turned counterclockwise. Craig
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I will have to post some once the rain goes away and I can get a camera out. On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: So I've been mistaken all this time? I thought the Frankenheap and the other famous ride Gump were 123s. But they're both 115s? I know they're not both yours. Both 115's, yes indeed. Frankenheap's photos and other vital statistics are available on its web site: http://cathey/dogear.com/frankenheap.html The heap is a Euro 4sp 200D, formerly with a column shifter. I also bought Casey's blackberry farm Gumpenheap-to-be 115, but sold it off in turn to a neighbor. When running again, it ought to be a notably better car than the heap. I've seen a photo of Gump (I think), but not lately. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
On 1/16/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:14:46 -0800 redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea level The little adjusty thing on the dash is the idle stop -- it raises the idle speed when turned counterclockwise. - to keep it running when you start it in the cold, and want to go back inside while it defrosts the windows -- or so you don't have to keep your little toe on the accelerator at the first stop sign. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
Well, whatever it does, I do not use it On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 08:18 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:14:46 -0800 redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea level The little adjusty thing on the dash is the idle stop -- it raises the idle speed when turned counterclockwise. Craig ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
I will have to post some once the rain goes away and I can get a camera out. Now why would you want NON-representative pictures anyway? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
redghost wrote: There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea level The manual altitude adjuster (if your car has one - few do) is ON the injection pump - NOT on the dash. The adjuster on the dash is the idle adjust. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
So, what does it look like and where is it on the pump? My 115 300D should have it? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers redghost wrote: There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea level The manual altitude adjuster (if your car has one - few do) is ON the injection pump - NOT on the dash. The adjuster on the dash is the idle adjust. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
The 220D is about 4 seconds slower then the 240D (same transmission). Mercedes rates fuel economy of the 220D about 3 mpg better. Another difference I'd mention is that the 220D might have an oil-bath (element) air filter, and an oil-bath (you) oil filter. Most would consider the later paper air element to be superior, at least in terms of cleanliness, and _everybody_ would consider the later top-access oil filter canister to be superior. Supposedly a 240D head will bolt right onto a 200D/220D motor, and I believe the Frankenheap has one of these. Supposed to breathe a little better that way. All I know is that the Frankenheap is eminently drivable. (Stickshift.) and bad side. Friends that owned early 115s seemed to have a lot of rust problems - especially front inner fenders. Not as bad in the 240Ds (I owned a pair of them). Earlier 115's I've seen have metal plates covering the interior space behind the fender. Later ones had plastic. Don't know if that was the significant difference or not. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D
Marshall sayeth: The early ('68-69) 220Ds seemed to have some serious cylinder wear problems. Interesting you should say that. One of the senior techs at my dealer told me recently that when the 220D's were new, he changed a lot of their engines under warranty. I didn't ask him why at the time. RLE
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
In a message dated 1/15/2006 1:34:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We're contemplating a 220D project. Questions: 1. How does the 0-60 time compare to the 240D? 2. Is there any significant advantage in fuel economy over the 240D? 3. Are there any other major differences between the W115 220D and 240D? Bruce, Either car would make a stout vehicle that should run until it rusts away. I had a 66 200D and a 74 240D both with 4speed manual transmissions. We drove each of them well over 100,000 miles after I overhauled them. The 200D, being lighter, would accelerate about even with the 240D, which had about 5 more horsepower. As to the differences: The 220D will have a 4.08:1 axle vs the 3.69 of the 240D, so it would top out sooner and be much more buzzy at 75 MPH. Engine speed does not seem to affect MPG so the lighter 220D will get better mileage. The 240D (3205#)is 200# heavier than the 220D (2997#). Most important, both of mine smoked like crazy at high atltitude as they had no altitude compensation. For this reason, I would recommend that you look for a 75-76 version of the 240D, 115 chassis, as they did have the ADA, an altitude compensator on the fuel injection pump. I am sure this injector could be retrofitted to the earlier fours if you already have a car in hand. Finally, the 76 model got a 20.6 gallon fuel tank vs 17. 2 for earlier models of the 115. Have fun! Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 140 K miles
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:32:46 -0600 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 220D is a bit slower and a bit less thirsty. The W123 will be slower yet and more thirsty, although not by much. A good condition 220D with auto should get 32 mpg, about -- add a couple for a stick (desirable, as the auto is SLOW!) My 220D typically got 28 mpg. Rarely above 30. Except for the one time from Sacramento, CA, to Portland, OR, where I cheated and coasted down hills (mountains, actually). That run was 36.6 mpg. Craig
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
My '70 220D with four on the column go 32-34 on the highway - 2 adults, two kids, full luggage. Just stay out of the mountains. On 1/15/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:32:46 -0600 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 220D is a bit slower and a bit less thirsty. The W123 will be slower yet and more thirsty, although not by much. A good condition 220D with auto should get 32 mpg, about -- add a couple for a stick (desirable, as the auto is SLOW!) My 220D typically got 28 mpg. Rarely above 30. Except for the one time from Sacramento, CA, to Portland, OR, where I cheated and coasted down hills (mountains, actually). That run was 36.6 mpg. Craig ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K
Re: [MBZ] 220D
I know they dont have sleeved engines like the later 240d and on do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshall sayeth: The early ('68-69) 220Ds seemed to have some serious cylinder wear problems. Interesting you should say that. One of the senior techs at my dealer told me recently that when the 220D's were new, he changed a lot of their engines under warranty. I didn't ask him why at the time. RLE ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
Im pretty sure they had altitude compensasion, but it was manually adjusted, in other words if you were going to be running in a higher altitude you had to turn an adjustment on the pump. I know the 115 300D has that, and I think the 240D did as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/15/2006 1:34:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We're contemplating a 220D project. Questions: 1. How does the 0-60 time compare to the 240D? 2. Is there any significant advantage in fuel economy over the 240D? 3. Are there any other major differences between the W115 220D and 240D? Bruce, Either car would make a stout vehicle that should run until it rusts away. I had a 66 200D and a 74 240D both with 4speed manual transmissions. We drove each of them well over 100,000 miles after I overhauled them. The 200D, being lighter, would accelerate about even with the 240D, which had about 5 more horsepower. As to the differences: The 220D will have a 4.08:1 axle vs the 3.69 of the 240D, so it would top out sooner and be much more buzzy at 75 MPH. Engine speed does not seem to affect MPG so the lighter 220D will get better mileage. The 240D (3205#)is 200# heavier than the 220D (2997#). Most important, both of mine smoked like crazy at high atltitude as they had no altitude compensation. For this reason, I would recommend that you look for a 75-76 version of the 240D, 115 chassis, as they did have the ADA, an altitude compensator on the fuel injection pump. I am sure this injector could be retrofitted to the earlier fours if you already have a car in hand. Finally, the 76 model got a 20.6 gallon fuel tank vs 17. 2 for earlier models of the 115. Have fun! Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 262 K miles 98 ML 320, 140 K miles ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 220D
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshall sayeth: The early ('68-69) 220Ds seemed to have some serious cylinder wear problems. Interesting you should say that. One of the senior techs at my dealer told me recently that when the 220D's were new, he changed a lot of their engines under warranty. I didn't ask him why at the time. I don't recall now whether it was a casting problem or a metallurgy problem, but there was an accelerated wear problem that afflicted at least some of the '68-69 diesel engines. By 1970 (maybe a little sooner) the problem seemed to have been controlled. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
The '75 - '76 300D did have the manual altitude compensation. The '70 220D did not. On 1/16/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im pretty sure they had altitude compensasion, but it was manually adjusted, in other words if you were going to be running in a higher altitude you had to turn an adjustment on the pump. I know the 115 300D has that, and I think the 240D did as well. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
So I've been mistaken all this time? I thought the Frankenheap and the other famous ride Gump were 123s. But they're both 115s? I know they're not both yours. Brian 83 240D From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:40:15 -0800 The 220D is about 4 seconds slower then the 240D (same transmission). Mercedes rates fuel economy of the 220D about 3 mpg better. Another difference I'd mention is that the 220D might have an oil-bath (element) air filter, and an oil-bath (you) oil filter. Most would consider the later paper air element to be superior, at least in terms of cleanliness, and _everybody_ would consider the later top-access oil filter canister to be superior. Supposedly a 240D head will bolt right onto a 200D/220D motor, and I believe the Frankenheap has one of these. Supposed to breathe a little better that way. All I know is that the Frankenheap is eminently drivable. (Stickshift.) and bad side. Friends that owned early 115s seemed to have a lot of rust problems - especially front inner fenders. Not as bad in the 240Ds (I owned a pair of them). Earlier 115's I've seen have metal plates covering the interior space behind the fender. Later ones had plastic. Don't know if that was the significant difference or not. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
So I've been mistaken all this time? I thought the Frankenheap and the other famous ride Gump were 123s. But they're both 115s? I know they're not both yours. Both 115's, yes indeed. Frankenheap's photos and other vital statistics are available on its web site: http://cathey/dogear.com/frankenheap.html The heap is a Euro 4sp 200D, formerly with a column shifter. I also bought Casey's blackberry farm Gumpenheap-to-be 115, but sold it off in turn to a neighbor. When running again, it ought to be a notably better car than the heap. I've seen a photo of Gump (I think), but not lately. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
Frankenheap's actual web site: http://cathey.dogear.com/frankenheap.html -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
Depends on if the 220D is a stick or auto. Stick will beat the 240 every day. I guess the 240 stick would do the same. Gump is able to get 30mpg most tanks. I think that has more to do with not having anything else using HP. The 240 would have AC, PS, and who knows what else they can toss in. If there is any real HP gain to the 616, it would all be eaten by the accessories. Reduce Delta V and MPG. Maybe a similarly equipped w115 would be as gutless and fuel foolish. Biggest difference is that Performance Products has w123 stuff in their catalogue. The w123 has lots of interesting things and bits that take more work to take off. I do not own a w123 and only come across them in the PnP, where I take parts off. On Sunday, January 15, 2006, at 12:33 PM, B Dike wrote: Dieselvolks, We're contemplating a 220D project. Questions: 1. How does the 0-60 time compare to the 240D? 2. Is there any significant advantage in fuel economy over the 240D? 3. Are there any other major differences between the W115 220D and 240D? Thanks, Bruce 82 300CD 334kmi 'His' 85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers' 75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' - Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
My '73 220D w/PS consistently got 30mpg, no matter how I drove it. I prefer the looks of the W115 220D to the W115 240D--more rounded hood slope and non-federal bumpers. On 1/15/06, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends on if the 220D is a stick or auto. Stick will beat the 240 every day. I guess the 240 stick would do the same. Gump is able to get 30mpg most tanks. I think that has more to do with not having anything else using HP. The 240 would have AC, PS, and who knows what else they can toss in. If there is any real HP gain to the 616, it would all be eaten by the accessories. Reduce Delta V and MPG. Maybe a similarly equipped w115 would be as gutless and fuel foolish. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
B Dike wrote: Dieselvolks, We're contemplating a 220D project. Questions: 1. How does the 0-60 time compare to the 240D? 2. Is there any significant advantage in fuel economy over the 240D? 3. Are there any other major differences between the W115 220D and 240D? The 220D is about 4 seconds slower then the 240D (same transmission). Mercedes rates fuel economy of the 220D about 3 mpg better. The early ('68-69) 220Ds seemed to have some serious cylinder wear problems. The later 115s were more refined but that had both a good and bad side. Friends that owned early 115s seemed to have a lot of rust problems - especially front inner fenders. Not as bad in the 240Ds (I owned a pair of them). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
The 220D is a bit slower and a bit less thirsty. The W123 will be slower yet and more thirsty, although not by much. A good condition 220D with auto should get 32 mpg, about -- add a couple for a stick (desirable, as the auto is SLOW!) Other than the displacement, the 220D and 240D w115 are just about identical -- both have mechanical shut-off/pull knob start. Peter