Re: [MBZ] 220D seller on CRACK!

2006-12-21 Thread andrew strasfogel

I hate it when they want top $$ (firm!!) yet are too cheap to post even one
photo

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Here's an ad for a 1970 220D for $3200.  for that price, it sure does need
lots of work.

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/251587390.html

I could buy nearly 3 of my 300SD's for that!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula bought for $1300, what a steal!


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Re: [MBZ] 220D seller on CRACK!

2006-12-21 Thread andrew strasfogel

That's 6 300SDs if Kaleb were buying.

On 12/20/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Here's an ad for a 1970 220D for $3200.  for that price, it sure does need
lots of work.

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/251587390.html

I could buy nearly 3 of my 300SD's for that!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula bought for $1300, what a steal!


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Re: [MBZ] 220D heads

2006-12-15 Thread RELNGSON
I posted this earlier this year, but since no one commented, I'll just post 
it again.

One the senior techs at my dealer told me that when 220Ds were new, they were 
replacing cylinder heads by the carload. And that may have been in the day of 
the five-foot five-minute warranty period. At Porsche, its the Customer 
Financed Testing Program. Or, was.

RLE


Re: [MBZ] 220D heads

2006-12-15 Thread Peter Frederick
Yup.  Starting in the late 60's, Benz took over design and production 
of their cylinder heads from the company they had been buying them 
from.  It seems they were quite rude about it, and the original design 
stayed with the original company, and cooperation was, well, mostly 
non-existant.


The result was very short lifetime -- severe cracking problems, 
particularly on the small diesels.  It got to the point that my friend 
Hans said his father wouldn't buy one with less than 20,000 miles on 
it, on the theory that if it was still running, it was a good one and 
would go quite a while more.  Hans eventually recommended that they use 
something else for their taxis until Benz got the problem solved.


There are at least four head designs installed on the 615, and not all 
heads are compatible with all blocks, and I believe there are several 
head gaskets as well.


Eventually, they became quite reliable.

Peter




Re: [MBZ] 220D heads

2006-12-15 Thread Jim Cathey

There are at least four head designs installed on the 615, and not all
heads are compatible with all blocks, and I believe there are several
head gaskets as well.


My 200D has, I believe, a 240D head.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 220D Oil Consumption

2006-11-16 Thread Jim Cathey

One question I have, now that the vacuum pump is open. Should the two
check valves be seated the same way? Currently they are not:


To the diaphragm chamber one valve needs to face one way and the
other the other.  That's what ensures the air moves in one direction
as it's pumped, if it were wrong you would get no vacuum at all.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 220D Oil Consumption

2006-11-15 Thread Mitch Haley
dave cashour wrote:
 One question I have, now that the vacuum pump is open. Should the two
 check valves be seated the same way? Currently they are not: the check
 valve that leads to the brake booster hose allows air to be sucked
 inward, creating a vacuum in the brake booster. The check valve that
 leads to the intake manifold is the opposite, allowing air to be sucked
 outward, toward the intake.

Sounds about right. You want to suck air from the vacuum side and pump
it to the intake. If the check valves on inlet and outlet both sucked,
where would the air go?



Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.

2006-03-22 Thread redghost

WTF?!?

38-40mpg?  with a huge sail up front and that twister that got Dorothy  
and her little dog. Maybe.


Gump is not making more than 30mpg, and she has nothing to rob engine  
power, is a stick and has a very strong engine.


This is a seller on severe crack pipe withdrawl.


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http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/142329858.html




1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200

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and transmission--60,000 miles ago. New paint. Interior leather. New
tires. MPG 38-40 at cruising speed. 1-785-827-5468

* This item has been posted by-owner.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.

2006-03-22 Thread Tom Scordato
Best my 1979 240 D does with auto and only 78k miles is around 30mpg 


I often question this new math??
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WTF?!?

38-40mpg?  with a huge sail up front and that twister that got Dorothy  
and her little dog. Maybe.


Gump is not making more than 30mpg, and she has nothing to rob engine  
power, is a stick and has a very strong engine.


This is a seller on severe crack pipe withdrawl.


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http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/142329858.html




1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200

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Vintage MZB in excellent original condition. 175,000 miles. New engine
and transmission--60,000 miles ago. New paint. Interior leather. New
tires. MPG 38-40 at cruising speed. 1-785-827-5468

* This item has been posted by-owner.

* this is in or around Salina, Kansas

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Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.

2006-03-22 Thread Bob Rentfro

Heck, if I do the going-to-put-it-on-ebay-math, I get 52mpg with my 300D!!

Also, on a slightly related note, bio suddenly dropped to $2.609 on the only 
pump in Phoenix.


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 150K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Best my 1979 240 D does with auto and only 78k miles is around 30mpg

I often question this new math??
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WTF?!?

38-40mpg?  with a huge sail up front and that twister that got Dorothy
and her little dog. Maybe.

Gump is not making more than 30mpg, and she has nothing to rob engine
power, is a stick and has a very strong engine.

This is a seller on severe crack pipe withdrawl.


On Sunday, March 19, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Donald Snook wrote:


http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/142329858.html




1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200

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Vintage MZB in excellent original condition. 175,000 miles. New engine
and transmission--60,000 miles ago. New paint. Interior leather. New
tires. MPG 38-40 at cruising speed. 1-785-827-5468

* This item has been posted by-owner.

* this is in or around Salina, Kansas

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Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.

2006-03-19 Thread Bob Rentfro

I hope it goes like the Shockers!

Woo Hoo...Go MVC!

Bob Rentfro 
'77 300D 150K

Litchfield Park, AZ


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1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200 

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tires. MPG 38-40 at cruising speed. 1-785-827-5468 


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Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D

2006-03-10 Thread redghost
GO FOR IT!  Not sure there was a giant difference at all in the 115 
bodies related to radiator.  The alternators set up... well the whole 
engine is not the same.  Radiator should be swappable.  If not, I will 
find one at the PnP



On Thursday, March 9, 2006, at 01:35 PM, kevin kraly wrote:

I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin!  It's been crashed in the 
front
resulting in a punctured radiator.  Will my 220D rad fit into it?  
Also, are
the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models?  All that 
this
240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad.  The car is about 80 
miles

from me.

Kevin in HIllsboro Oregon
1973 220D parting out


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Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D

2006-03-09 Thread Kevin
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:35:30PM -0800, kevin kraly wrote:
 I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin!  It's been crashed in the front 
 resulting in a punctured radiator.  Will my 220D rad fit into it?  Also, are 
 the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models?  All that this 
 240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad.  The car is about 80 miles 
 from me.

I'd imagine any 115 diesel radiator would work. Catch is, automatics usually
have a transmission warmer provision in the radiator (though some usually
call it a tranny cooler) that manuals do not. This is certainly the
case in W201s.

Junkyard radiators are extremely cheap, and u-pull ones are as well, especially
if you can solder/repair a holed tank.

K



Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D

2006-03-09 Thread Jim Cathey
I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin!  It's been crashed in the 
front
resulting in a punctured radiator.  Will my 220D rad fit into it?  
Also, are
the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models?  All 
that this
240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad.  The car is about 80 
miles

from me.


I'd imagine any 115 diesel radiator would work. Catch is, automatics 
usually
have a transmission warmer provision in the radiator (though some 
usually

call it a tranny cooler) that manuals do not. This is certainly the
case in W201s.


I believe both mechanisms are at work.  Rather elegant.  The Frankenheap
(115) is currently sporting a 123 automatic radiator, though as I recall
I unsoldered the side rails from the original and they're in there
spacing things out.  It fits surprisingly well.

You can use an automatic's radiator in a manual, but not vice-versa.

For free you can certainly afford to play around a bit.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D

2006-03-09 Thread kevin kraly

You can use an automatic's radiator in a manual,

The MB Gods are on my side with this one so far!  My 220D is an auto thus it 
has the tranny cooler/warmer lines.  I'll really know if a good luck streak 
is headed my way if this 240D is a manny tranny!  However, if it's an auto, 
I'm still more than happy to take it off their hands.  She wants it to go to 
someone with a love for MB diesels rather than have it go to the crusher, 
not the place a potentially good 240D should go!


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D who's taken her last breath, but can now give another car a new 
lease on life through organ donation 





Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D

2006-03-09 Thread R A Bennell
You can more than likely use a manual tranny rad in a car with an auto as
well if you just add an after market tranny cooler somewhere. You won't get
the tranny warming function noted in this thread but you should be able to
keep the tranny cooled if need be.

Randy B

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You can use an automatic's radiator in a manual,

The MB Gods are on my side with this one so far!  My 220D is an auto thus it
has the tranny cooler/warmer lines.  I'll really know if a good luck streak
is headed my way if this 240D is a manny tranny!  However, if it's an auto,
I'm still more than happy to take it off their hands.  She wants it to go to
someone with a love for MB diesels rather than have it go to the crusher,
not the place a potentially good 240D should go!

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D who's taken her last breath, but can now give another car a new
lease on life through organ donation


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Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D

2006-03-09 Thread Tom Hargrave
Kevin,

I owned a 220D and two 240D's and I don't remember if the radiators are
different.

The radiators are different between the manual and auto tranny models. The
auto tranny model has a transmission cooling coil  built into the radiator.

Thanks,
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I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin!  It's been crashed in the front
resulting in a punctured radiator.  Will my 220D rad fit into it?  Also, are
the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models?  All that this
240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad.  The car is about 80 miles
from me.

Kevin in HIllsboro Oregon
1973 220D parting out


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Re: [MBZ] 220D trunk floor progress (or lack thereof)

2006-02-28 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Well, I did the unthinkable.  I grew attached to the
thing and I'm doing my part in preserving automotive
history.  Actually, I quite enjoy the challenge.  OK,
you got me, I'm out of my mind!

Dimitri

--- kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So why are you doing all this work to a very rusty
 car?
 
 He should just buy mine that has a rusty, but mostly
 in tact, trunk floor, 
 but other than that, the body is RUST FREE!  All he
 would have to do is 
 transplant the engine/tranny in there and he would
 be set!
 
 Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
 1973 220D parting out 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 220D trunk floor progress (or lack thereof)

2006-02-28 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:54:25 -0800 (PST) Dimitri Seretakis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, I did the unthinkable.  I grew attached to the
 thing and I'm doing my part in preserving automotive
 history.  Actually, I quite enjoy the challenge.  OK,
 you got me, I'm out of my mind!

Well, OK, at least you're being honest!


Craig



Re: [MBZ] 220D trunk floor progress (or lack thereof)

2006-02-28 Thread Jim Cathey

Well, I did the unthinkable.  I grew attached to the
thing and I'm doing my part in preserving automotive
history.  Actually, I quite enjoy the challenge.  OK,
you got me, I'm out of my mind!


It's kind of fun.  Once.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 220D trunk floor progress (or lack thereof)

2006-02-27 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:28:38 -0800 (PST) Dimitri Seretakis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here are some photos of my very rusty trunk floor and
 the new factory replacement.  Some sections have been
 cut out revealing exhaust system and fuel tank.  Rusty
 lower left quarter panel will also be cut out and new
 piece welded in.

So why are you doing all this work to a very rusty car?



Craig



Re: [MBZ] 220D trunk floor progress (or lack thereof)

2006-02-27 Thread kevin kraly

So why are you doing all this work to a very rusty car?

He should just buy mine that has a rusty, but mostly in tact, trunk floor, 
but other than that, the body is RUST FREE!  All he would have to do is 
transplant the engine/tranny in there and he would be set!


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D parting out 





Re: [MBZ] 220D tranny shifter types?

2006-02-25 Thread Marshall Booth

kevin kraly wrote:
OK W115 owners (Clay).  This 1973 220D has an auto tranny with the column 
shifter.  Could both the mannies and autos be had with a column or floor 
shifter?  If I end up buying or hauling off the 1972 220D manny tranny car 
and decide to just transfer both the engine and tranny over to my auto 220D, 
would I also have to put in a floor shifter?  What type of shifter does Gump 
have?


Most of the manual transmissions that came to the US after about 1965 
were on the floor but they were still available on the column for a 
while. I can't remember whether my '67 200D (W110) auto was a column or 
floor shift, but my '66 200D manual was a floor shift. By '74 all the 
W115s (auto or manual) that came to the US were on the floor.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 220D tranny shifter types?

2006-02-24 Thread redghost
Gump has four on the floor.  There is a patch job on  your car in that 
spot to allow you to install either manual or auto shift.  The stalk 
shifter I suspect is that way so that the dash indicator can show which 
gear you are using.  with on the floor, indicator is not needed in the 
cluster


On Friday, February 24, 2006, at 12:28 AM, kevin kraly wrote:

OK W115 owners (Clay).  This 1973 220D has an auto tranny with the 
column
shifter.  Could both the mannies and autos be had with a column or 
floor
shifter?  If I end up buying or hauling off the 1972 220D manny tranny 
car
and decide to just transfer both the engine and tranny over to my auto 
220D,
would I also have to put in a floor shifter?  What type of shifter 
does Gump

have?

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D


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Re: [MBZ] 220D tranny shifter types?

2006-02-24 Thread redghost
The 280S that I checked for Ed B. was column shift.  There was a 
patched panel thing on the floor where a real shift would have been.  
No mess with console.  Might have been some mess with Gump had she had  
shaft shifter.  the console floor would need sawzall to make a spot for 
shifter.


On Friday, February 24, 2006, at 07:48 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

Could both the mannies and autos be had with a column or floor 
shifter?


The Frankenheap has both floor and column shifters, hence
the Franken part of the name.  (Nuttin' to do with Al.)
To convert to a manual you'll need a different steering
column, one with all three linkages coming out of it,
or you'll need to convert to a floor shifter.  I don't
believe the auto shift column can run a manual tranny.
The Frankenheap has the column you'd need, but there
is _no_ way I'm going to swap it out!

There are some serious differences in the console
floating around, what was done to the Frankenheap's
to make room for the floor shifter was not pretty.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-21 Thread John Berryman


On Monday, February 20, 2006, at 04:53 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


If you put grinding stones in it, it's a grinder.  If you put
cutoff wheels in it...  It's called a die grinder because die
makers use them.  To grind on their dies.  Obviously they have
other uses too.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-21 Thread David Brodbeck

kevin kraly wrote:

Hi, Dimitri.

Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't think 
that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while.


You could do what I did on my old Volvo 240.  I used a 3M Rust And Paint 
Removal Wheel to remove as much rust and bubbled paint as I could, then 
cut off the danglies to make a relatively smooth opening. Painted with 
rust converter on both sides, then primed it. Once the paint was dry, I 
cut patches out of galvanized sheet metal from Home Depot, leaving a bit 
of overlap all around, and pop-riveted them in place with a bit of 
silicone sealer in between.  It looked like hell, but it kept the water 
and exhaust fumes out.  The only power tool I used was a cordless 
electric drill; a pair of aviation snips, pliers, vise grips, and a 
pop-rivet gun took care of the rest.  Don't forget to wear a dust mask 
when using the paint removal wheel, and don't skip the rust converter 
and primer steps or you'll just have a bigger hole in a year.





Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-21 Thread Dimitri Seretakis



 
 You might want to consider the Nibbler - made for
 cutting metal - fits in a 
 drill - electric or air powered - and nibbles
 little chunks of metal - 
 like chewing.  Eastwood carries them along with some
 others.  

I actually have the Eastwood drill mounted nibbler. 
Its ok for making coarse cuts but lacks precision. 
It's hard to keep the thing cutting in a straight
line.  Also the dies wear out fast and are not cheap
to replace.  Another problem is that it cuts out a
wide strip of metal making it hard to judge were the
edge of what you are cutting is.  I was wondering
about electric shears like those made by Milwaukee and
Bosch.  
I think there are two and three blade varieties. 
Anyone have any experience with these?

For fabrication purposes a Beverly shear would be
awesome!

Dimitri

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-20 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Trunk floor cost $180 plus $70 for shipping.  Took over one month to come from 
Germany.  Apparently there were none in existence anywhere inthe world, hence 
the wait.  Did they stamp me a new one? I don't know?   Anyway local dealership 
wanted $240.  Since I had already waited a month for it to arrive with the 
initial KK order I just bought it from them.  Besides they were extremely 
polite and helpful.  in addition to the gaping holes my trunk floor was/is also 
very thinned out from rust.  Almost entire trunk is rusty.  From an investment 
point of view, the time and labor that I'm putting into this car is not worth 
it.  I Love this car and would not like to see it junked.
  Overall, its in pretty good shape rustwise except for the mentioned areas.  
It resides in San Diego for 19 years and then it moved to Boston for another 
nine.  Boston was rough on its sheetmetal.  It's now in D.C with a 
significantly decreased salt exposure.
  Its a tough little thing.  It took a cross country trip and back in 2003 with 
nothing but a glow plug burning out.  Luckily, I had a spare.  Those are not 
easy to come by in the middle of nowhere.  I bought four at a small Mercedes 
shop in Reno, Nevada and always keep at least one in the car.
   
  Dimitri

kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ah, another 1973 220D with rust in the trunk floor! This one I have is not 
actually rusted through, but it wouldn't take much to break through it. 
From the looks of it, it seems like the floor is rusted from moisture coming 
through the trunk or window seal rather than road salt How much was the 
floor panel that you purchased?

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
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Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-20 Thread kevin kraly

Hi, Dimitri.

Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't think 
that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while.  I do hope that 
I'm able to get the engine running soon.  I have the valve adjustment 
wrenches on order, so I'll be able to adjust them to spec if needed.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D project 





Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-20 Thread Jim Cathey
Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't 
think

that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while.


Microwave oven sheet metal is free, just ask the Frankenheap.
But don't look too closely!

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-20 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that
I can use air powered cutoff tool.  Dremel cut off
wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of
cutting.  At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive,
also really slow, and there's a lot of rusty trunk to
cut out.

--- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the
 battery, I don't 
  think
  that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite
 a while.
 
 Microwave oven sheet metal is free, just ask the
 Frankenheap.
 But don't look too closely!
 
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Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-20 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

you need a cutting torch set

Dimitri Seretakis wrote:


Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that
I can use air powered cutoff tool.  Dremel cut off
wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of
cutting.  At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive,
also really slow, and there's a lot of rusty trunk to
cut out.

--- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the


battery, I don't 


think
that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite


a while.

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Frankenheap.
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Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-20 Thread Rich Thomas
You can get an angle grinder for $50-125 (depending on size, power, 
etc.) that takes cutoff wheels, you can also put wire brushes and other 
things on it.  I have a Dewalt, a nice tool.  Unless you get a big 
compressor that cutoff tool will drain it quickly then you have to wait 
awhile for it to recharge.


--R

Dimitri Seretakis wrote:


Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that
I can use air powered cutoff tool.  Dremel cut off
wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of
cutting.  At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive,
also really slow, and there's a lot of rusty trunk to
cut out.

--- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 


Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the
 

battery, I don't 
   


think
that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite
 


a while.

Microwave oven sheet metal is free, just ask the
Frankenheap.
But don't look too closely!

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-20 Thread Jim Cathey

Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that
I can use air powered cutoff tool.  Dremel cut off
wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of
cutting.  At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive,
also really slow, and there's a lot of rusty trunk to
cut out.


Having air is nice, for many things, but it'll take one
hell of a compressor to run a cutoff tool.  A $15 Harbor
Freight cheapie angle grinder and a $10 pack of wheels
will probably serve pretty well, as might a sawzall.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-20 Thread l02turner
You wrote:buy an air compressor so that I can use air powered cutoff 
tool


You might want to consider the Nibbler - made for cutting metal - fits in a 
drill - electric or air powered - and nibbles little chunks of metal - 
like chewing.  Eastwood carries them along with some others.  The air 
powered tool is called a die grinder IIRC and you;re right, they cut really 
well - make sure the air compressor has enough capacity to power the grinder 
(which actually has a thin cutting wheel - don't know why it's called a 
grinder) else the tool will keep slowing down.


I have the die grinder with 3 wheels that are about 1/16 thick - they 
really cut thru auto sheetmetal quickly.  I also have an air powered chisel 
set - which I was never impressed with.


Good luck - you;re entering territory that I have vowed to never enter 
again - the dreaded Valley of Rust.

;-)

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Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that
I can use air powered cutoff tool.  Dremel cut off
wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of
cutting.  At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive,
also really slow, and there's a lot of rusty trunk to
cut out.

--- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the
battery, I don't
 think
 that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite
a while.

Microwave oven sheet metal is free, just ask the
Frankenheap.
But don't look too closely!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-20 Thread kevin kraly

Microwave oven sheet metal is free,

I love it!  It carries on with the philosophy of not trying to make a car 
into something it is not.  Dependable, cheap transportation is what a 220D 
is all about.  Good looks aren't that important.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D project 





Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-20 Thread kevin kraly

as might a sawzall.

The sawzall is a great suggestion!  I'm sure that it would save time as 
well.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D project 





Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-20 Thread Jim Cathey

Microwave oven sheet metal is free,


I love it!  It carries on with the philosophy of not trying to make a 
car
into something it is not.  Dependable, cheap transportation is what a 
220D

is all about.  Good looks aren't that important.


And good thing, too, when mashing microwave oven lids flat
and stitching them to the bottom of something like the Frankenheap!
A rusty/nasty 115 isn't worth a lot of money to 'preserve'.
A _nice_ one, however, is something else.

I still want to somehow put the microwave control panel on the
floorboards of the Frankenheap, under the carpet, and powered
so that it does something.  Maybe if you step in the wrong
place it beeps?  My mom (sadly gone now) is the one who
suggested that I make sure I cut the cords off the ovens
so they didn't drag on the ground.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-20 Thread Jim Cathey

(which actually has a thin cutting wheel - don't know why it's called a
grinder) else the tool will keep slowing down.


If you put grinding stones in it, it's a grinder.  If you put
cutoff wheels in it...  It's called a die grinder because die
makers use them.  To grind on their dies.  Obviously they have
other uses too.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project

2006-02-19 Thread kevin kraly
Ah, another 1973 220D with rust in the trunk floor!  This one I have is not 
actually rusted through, but it wouldn't take much to break through it. 
From the looks of it, it seems like the floor is rusted from moisture coming 
through the trunk or window seal rather than road salt How much was the 
floor panel that you purchased?


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D project 





Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-19 Thread redghost

AHhhh,

So I open the door and do the scooter thing as my altitude HP adjust 
then


On Tuesday, January 17, 2006, at 09:20 AM, Marshall Booth wrote:


redghost wrote:

There is a little adjusty thing on the dash.  Is that going to be able
to compensate for altitude.  I never use it, but am at near enough sea
level


The manual altitude adjuster (if your car has one - few do) is ON the
injection pump - NOT on the dash. The adjuster on the dash is the idle
adjust.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-18 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Its a big knob right on the top, will have different numbers for feet, 
like 15000 etc.


R A Bennell wrote:


So, what does it look like and where is it on the pump? My 115 300D should
have it?

Randy

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redghost wrote:


There is a little adjusty thing on the dash.  Is that going to be able
to compensate for altitude.  I never use it, but am at near enough sea
level



The manual altitude adjuster (if your car has one - few do) is ON the
injection pump - NOT on the dash. The adjuster on the dash is the idle
adjust.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-18 Thread OK Don
It's at the rear of the pump - closer to the firewall. I was never
sure whether the numbers were in feet or meters - just turn it till it
stops smoking (only four positions, IIRC).

On 1/17/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Its a big knob right on the top, will have different numbers for feet,
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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-18 Thread redghost
Give her a chance to dry out enough so it does not look like some 
dominatrix is  running a dungeon inside the cabin


On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 09:23 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

I will have to post some once the rain goes away and I can get a 
camera

out.


Now why would you want NON-representative pictures anyway?

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-18 Thread redghost
I played with it today.  Cranked it all the way off, and it was running 
well, turned it CCW and got some more idle speed.  Not so cold I need 
to use it if I just glow enough.


On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 09:26 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Well, whatever it does, I do not use it


Hardly cold enough there?  Often by now it doesn't work
anyway.  Your base idle speed could also be set a little high.

I use mine every time.  I take it off at the bottom of the hill.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-18 Thread Peter Frederick
Not a chance, the W115 220/240 has a vacuum governor and NO altitude 
adjustment -- the 300D W115 does, but not the W123s -- they have and 
anaeroid.


Adjust the smoke with the max speed screw on the throttle flap in the 
intake, or the max delivery screw on the back of the IP -- you should 
have just visible traces at full throttle in 3rd gear at 55 mph.


I'd also check the timing chain -- a worn chain will cause hard starts 
and excessive smoke.


Peter




Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-17 Thread redghost
There is a little adjusty thing on the dash.  Is that going to be able 
to compensate for altitude.  I never use it, but am at near enough sea 
level


On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 07:12 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Im pretty sure they had altitude compensasion, but it was manually
adjusted, in other words if you were going to be running in a higher
altitude you had to turn an adjustment on the pump. I know the 115 300D
has that, and I think the 240D did as well.

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In a message dated 1/15/2006 1:34:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
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We're  contemplating a 220D project.  Questions:
1. How does  the 0-60 time compare to the 240D?
2. Is there any significant  advantage in fuel economy over the 240D?
3. Are there any other  major differences between the W115 220D and 
240D?




Bruce,

Either car would make a stout vehicle that should run until it rusts  
away.
I had a 66 200D and a 74 240D both with 4speed manual  transmissions. 
 We
drove each of them well over 100,000 miles after I  overhauled them.  
The 200D,
being  lighter, would accelerate about  even with the 240D, which had 
about 5

more horsepower.

As to the differences:

The 220D will have a 4.08:1 axle vs the 3.69 of the 240D, so it would 
top
out sooner and be much more buzzy at 75 MPH.  Engine speed does not 
seem to
affect MPG so the lighter 220D will get better mileage. The 240D 
(3205#)is 200#

heavier than the 220D (2997#).

Most important, both of mine smoked like crazy at high atltitude as 
they  had
no altitude compensation.  For this reason, I would recommend that 
you  look
for a 75-76 version of the 240D, 115 chassis, as they did have the 
ADA, an
altitude compensator on the fuel injection pump.  I am sure this 
injector  could
be retrofitted to the earlier fours if you already have a car in  
hand.


Finally, the 76 model got a 20.6 gallon fuel tank vs 17. 2 for earlier
models of the 115.

Have fun!

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-17 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:14:46 -0800 redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is a little adjusty thing on the dash.  Is that going to be able 
 to compensate for altitude.  I never use it, but am at near enough sea 
 level

The little adjusty thing on the dash is the idle stop -- it raises the
idle speed when turned counterclockwise.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-17 Thread redghost
I will have to post some once the rain goes away and I can get a camera 
out.


On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:


So I've been mistaken all this time? I thought the Frankenheap and
the other famous ride Gump were 123s. But they're both 115s? I know
they're not both yours.


Both 115's, yes indeed.  Frankenheap's photos and other vital 
statistics
are available on its web site: 
http://cathey/dogear.com/frankenheap.html

The heap is a Euro 4sp 200D, formerly with a column shifter.  I
also bought Casey's blackberry farm Gumpenheap-to-be 115, but sold
it off in turn to a neighbor.  When running again, it ought to be
a notably better car than the heap.

I've seen a photo of Gump (I think), but not lately.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-17 Thread OK Don
On 1/16/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:14:46 -0800 redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  There is a little adjusty thing on the dash.  Is that going to be able
  to compensate for altitude.  I never use it, but am at near enough sea
  level

 The little adjusty thing on the dash is the idle stop -- it raises
the idle speed when turned counterclockwise. - to keep it running
when you start it in the cold, and want to go back inside while it
defrosts the windows -- or so you don't have to keep your little toe
on the accelerator at the first stop sign.
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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-17 Thread redghost

Well, whatever it does, I do not use it

On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 08:18 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:14:46 -0800 redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



There is a little adjusty thing on the dash.  Is that going to be able
to compensate for altitude.  I never use it, but am at near enough sea
level


The little adjusty thing on the dash is the idle stop -- it raises the
idle speed when turned counterclockwise.


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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-17 Thread Jim Cathey

I will have to post some once the rain goes away and I can get a camera
out.


Now why would you want NON-representative pictures anyway?

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-17 Thread Marshall Booth

redghost wrote:
There is a little adjusty thing on the dash.  Is that going to be able 
to compensate for altitude.  I never use it, but am at near enough sea 
level


The manual altitude adjuster (if your car has one - few do) is ON the 
injection pump - NOT on the dash. The adjuster on the dash is the idle 
adjust.


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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-17 Thread R A Bennell
So, what does it look like and where is it on the pump? My 115 300D should
have it?

Randy

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redghost wrote:
 There is a little adjusty thing on the dash.  Is that going to be able
 to compensate for altitude.  I never use it, but am at near enough sea
 level

The manual altitude adjuster (if your car has one - few do) is ON the
injection pump - NOT on the dash. The adjuster on the dash is the idle
adjust.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-16 Thread Jim Cathey

The 220D is about 4 seconds slower then the 240D (same transmission).
Mercedes rates fuel economy of the 220D about 3 mpg better.


Another difference I'd mention is that the 220D might have an oil-bath
(element) air filter, and an oil-bath (you) oil filter.  Most would
consider the later paper air element to be superior, at least in
terms of cleanliness, and _everybody_ would consider the later
top-access oil filter canister to be superior.

Supposedly a 240D head will bolt right onto a 200D/220D motor, and
I believe the Frankenheap has one of these.  Supposed to breathe
a little better that way.  All I know is that the Frankenheap
is eminently drivable.  (Stickshift.)

and bad side. Friends that owned early 115s seemed to have a lot of 
rust

problems - especially front inner fenders. Not as bad in the 240Ds (I
owned a pair of them).


Earlier 115's I've seen have metal plates covering the interior space
behind the fender.  Later ones had plastic.  Don't know if that was the
significant difference or not.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 220D

2006-01-16 Thread RELNGSON
Marshall sayeth:

The early ('68-69) 220Ds seemed to have some serious cylinder wear
problems.

Interesting you should say that. One of the senior techs at my dealer told me 
recently that when the 220D's were new, he changed a lot of their engines 
under warranty. I didn't ask him why at the time. 

RLE


Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-16 Thread JFreezn
 
In a message dated 1/15/2006 1:34:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

We're  contemplating a 220D project.  Questions:  
1. How does  the 0-60 time compare to the 240D?
2. Is there any significant  advantage in fuel economy over the 240D?
3. Are there any other  major differences between the W115 220D and 240D?



Bruce,
 
Either car would make a stout vehicle that should run until it rusts  away.  
I had a 66 200D and a 74 240D both with 4speed manual  transmissions.  We 
drove each of them well over 100,000 miles after I  overhauled them.  The 200D, 
being  lighter, would accelerate about  even with the 240D, which had about 5 
more horsepower.  
 
As to the differences:
 
The 220D will have a 4.08:1 axle vs the 3.69 of the 240D, so it would top  
out sooner and be much more buzzy at 75 MPH.  Engine speed does not seem to  
affect MPG so the lighter 220D will get better mileage. The 240D (3205#)is 200# 
 
heavier than the 220D (2997#).
 
Most important, both of mine smoked like crazy at high atltitude as they  had 
no altitude compensation.  For this reason, I would recommend that you  look 
for a 75-76 version of the 240D, 115 chassis, as they did have the ADA, an  
altitude compensator on the fuel injection pump.  I am sure this injector  
could 
be retrofitted to the earlier fours if you already have a car in  hand.
 
Finally, the 76 model got a 20.6 gallon fuel tank vs 17. 2 for earlier  
models of the 115.
 
Have fun!  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 140 K  miles



Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-16 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:32:46 -0600 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 The 220D is a bit slower and a bit less thirsty.  The W123 will be 
 slower yet and more thirsty, although not by much.
 
 A good condition 220D with auto should get 32 mpg, about -- add a 
 couple for a stick (desirable, as the auto is SLOW!)

My 220D typically got 28 mpg. Rarely above 30. Except for the one time
from Sacramento, CA, to Portland, OR, where I cheated and coasted down
hills (mountains, actually). That run was 36.6 mpg.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-16 Thread OK Don
My '70 220D with four on the column go 32-34 on the highway - 2
adults, two kids, full luggage. Just stay out of the mountains.

On 1/15/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:32:46 -0600 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  The 220D is a bit slower and a bit less thirsty.  The W123 will be
  slower yet and more thirsty, although not by much.
 
  A good condition 220D with auto should get 32 mpg, about -- add a
  couple for a stick (desirable, as the auto is SLOW!)

 My 220D typically got 28 mpg. Rarely above 30. Except for the one time
 from Sacramento, CA, to Portland, OR, where I cheated and coasted down
 hills (mountains, actually). That run was 36.6 mpg.


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Re: [MBZ] 220D

2006-01-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I know they dont have sleeved engines like the later 240d and on do.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Marshall sayeth:

The early ('68-69) 220Ds seemed to have some serious cylinder wear
problems.

Interesting you should say that. One of the senior techs at my dealer told me 
recently that when the 220D's were new, he changed a lot of their engines 
under warranty. I didn't ask him why at the time. 


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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-16 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Im pretty sure they had altitude compensasion, but it was manually 
adjusted, in other words if you were going to be running in a higher 
altitude you had to turn an adjustment on the pump. I know the 115 300D 
has that, and I think the 240D did as well.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
In a message dated 1/15/2006 1:34:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


We're  contemplating a 220D project.  Questions:  
1. How does  the 0-60 time compare to the 240D?

2. Is there any significant  advantage in fuel economy over the 240D?
3. Are there any other  major differences between the W115 220D and 240D?



Bruce,
 
Either car would make a stout vehicle that should run until it rusts  away.  
I had a 66 200D and a 74 240D both with 4speed manual  transmissions.  We 
drove each of them well over 100,000 miles after I  overhauled them.  The 200D, 
being  lighter, would accelerate about  even with the 240D, which had about 5 
more horsepower.  
 
As to the differences:
 
The 220D will have a 4.08:1 axle vs the 3.69 of the 240D, so it would top  
out sooner and be much more buzzy at 75 MPH.  Engine speed does not seem to  
affect MPG so the lighter 220D will get better mileage. The 240D (3205#)is 200#  
heavier than the 220D (2997#).
 
Most important, both of mine smoked like crazy at high atltitude as they  had 
no altitude compensation.  For this reason, I would recommend that you  look 
for a 75-76 version of the 240D, 115 chassis, as they did have the ADA, an  
altitude compensator on the fuel injection pump.  I am sure this injector  could 
be retrofitted to the earlier fours if you already have a car in  hand.
 
Finally, the 76 model got a 20.6 gallon fuel tank vs 17. 2 for earlier  
models of the 115.
 
Have fun!  


Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 140 K  miles


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Re: [MBZ] 220D

2006-01-16 Thread Marshall Booth

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Marshall sayeth:

The early ('68-69) 220Ds seemed to have some serious cylinder wear
problems.

Interesting you should say that. One of the senior techs at my dealer told me 
recently that when the 220D's were new, he changed a lot of their engines 
under warranty. I didn't ask him why at the time. 


I don't recall now whether it was a casting problem or a metallurgy 
problem, but there was an accelerated wear problem that afflicted at 
least some of the '68-69 diesel engines. By 1970 (maybe a little sooner) 
the problem seemed to have been controlled.


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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers

2006-01-16 Thread OK Don
The '75 - '76 300D did have the manual altitude compensation. The '70
220D did not.

On 1/16/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Im pretty sure they had altitude compensasion, but it was manually
 adjusted, in other words if you were going to be running in a higher
 altitude you had to turn an adjustment on the pump. I know the 115 300D
 has that, and I think the 240D did as well.


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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-16 Thread Brian Chase
So I've been mistaken all this time? I thought the Frankenheap and the 
other famous ride Gump were 123s. But they're both 115s? I know they're 
not both yours.


Brian
83 240D


From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:40:15 -0800

 The 220D is about 4 seconds slower then the 240D (same transmission).
 Mercedes rates fuel economy of the 220D about 3 mpg better.

Another difference I'd mention is that the 220D might have an oil-bath
(element) air filter, and an oil-bath (you) oil filter.  Most would
consider the later paper air element to be superior, at least in
terms of cleanliness, and _everybody_ would consider the later
top-access oil filter canister to be superior.

Supposedly a 240D head will bolt right onto a 200D/220D motor, and
I believe the Frankenheap has one of these.  Supposed to breathe
a little better that way.  All I know is that the Frankenheap
is eminently drivable.  (Stickshift.)

 and bad side. Friends that owned early 115s seemed to have a lot of
 rust
 problems - especially front inner fenders. Not as bad in the 240Ds (I
 owned a pair of them).

Earlier 115's I've seen have metal plates covering the interior space
behind the fender.  Later ones had plastic.  Don't know if that was the
significant difference or not.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-16 Thread Jim Cathey
So I've been mistaken all this time? I thought the Frankenheap and 
the other famous ride Gump were 123s. But they're both 115s? I know 
they're not both yours.


Both 115's, yes indeed.  Frankenheap's photos and other vital statistics
are available on its web site: http://cathey/dogear.com/frankenheap.html
The heap is a Euro 4sp 200D, formerly with a column shifter.  I
also bought Casey's blackberry farm Gumpenheap-to-be 115, but sold
it off in turn to a neighbor.  When running again, it ought to be
a notably better car than the heap.

I've seen a photo of Gump (I think), but not lately.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-16 Thread Jim Cathey

Frankenheap's actual web site: http://cathey.dogear.com/frankenheap.html

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-15 Thread redghost
Depends on if the 220D is a stick or auto.  Stick will beat the 240 
every day.  I guess the 240 stick would do the same.


Gump is able to get 30mpg most tanks.  I think that has more to do with 
not having anything else using HP.  The 240 would have AC, PS, and who 
knows what else they can toss in.  If there is any real HP gain to the 
616, it would all be eaten by the accessories.  Reduce Delta V and MPG. 
 Maybe a similarly equipped  w115 would be as gutless and fuel foolish.


Biggest difference is that Performance Products has w123 stuff in their 
catalogue.  The w123 has lots of interesting things and bits that take 
more work to take off.  I do not own a w123 and only come across them 
in the PnP, where I take parts off.




On Sunday, January 15, 2006, at 12:33 PM, B Dike wrote:


 Dieselvolks,

  We're contemplating a 220D project.  Questions:
  1. How does the 0-60 time compare to the 240D?
  2. Is there any significant advantage in fuel economy over the 240D?
  3. Are there any other major differences between the W115 220D and 
240D?


  Thanks,



Bruce
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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-15 Thread Zeitgeist
My '73 220D w/PS consistently got 30mpg, no matter how I drove it.  I
prefer the looks of the W115 220D to the W115 240D--more rounded hood
slope and non-federal bumpers.

On 1/15/06, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Depends on if the 220D is a stick or auto.  Stick will beat the 240
 every day.  I guess the 240 stick would do the same.

 Gump is able to get 30mpg most tanks.  I think that has more to do with
 not having anything else using HP.  The 240 would have AC, PS, and who
 knows what else they can toss in.  If there is any real HP gain to the
 616, it would all be eaten by the accessories.  Reduce Delta V and MPG.
   Maybe a similarly equipped  w115 would be as gutless and fuel foolish.

Casey
Olympia, WA
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'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)



Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-15 Thread Marshall Booth

B Dike wrote:

 Dieselvolks,
  
  We're contemplating a 220D project.  Questions:  
  1. How does the 0-60 time compare to the 240D?

  2. Is there any significant advantage in fuel economy over the 240D?
  3. Are there any other major differences between the W115 220D and 240D?


The 220D is about 4 seconds slower then the 240D (same transmission).

Mercedes rates fuel economy of the 220D about 3 mpg better.

The early ('68-69) 220Ds seemed to have some serious cylinder wear 
problems. The later 115s were more refined but that had both a good 
and bad side. Friends that owned early 115s seemed to have a lot of rust 
problems - especially front inner fenders. Not as bad in the 240Ds (I 
owned a pair of them).


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Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions

2006-01-15 Thread Peter Frederick
The 220D is a bit slower and a bit less thirsty.  The W123 will be 
slower yet and more thirsty, although not by much.


A good condition 220D with auto should get 32 mpg, about -- add a 
couple for a stick (desirable, as the auto is SLOW!)


Other than the displacement, the 220D and 240D w115 are just about 
identical -- both have mechanical shut-off/pull knob start.


Peter




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