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well, I am embarrassed to have to say that the sponsor who had committed to the shirts this year bailed on us. it has nothing to do with the contents of this thread - apparently the product they wanted to market isn't fully baked yet and they thought that the shirts were premature (and too costly to just give us). a million apologies for wasting everyone's bandwidth (and trying everyone's patience) - it's out of my control. --Geoff
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Geoffrey Young ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said something to this effect on 03/28/2001: well, I am embarrassed to have to say that the sponsor who had committed to the shirts this year bailed on us. it has nothing to do with the contents of this thread - apparently the product they wanted to market isn't fully baked yet and they thought that the shirts were premature (and too costly to just give us). Might this be a good time to consider Cafe Press, then? (darren) -- The kind of thinking we do sets the stage for the action we are likely to take. Because of this, a man who refuses to develop his thinking is likely to act on the impressions made upon him by others. -- Dr. Clause R. Baker, "Coin In The Air"
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-Original Message- From: darren chamberlain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 8:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF Geoffrey Young ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said something to this effect on 03/28/2001: well, I am embarrassed to have to say that the sponsor who had committed to the shirts this year bailed on us. it has nothing to do with the contents of this thread - apparently the product they wanted to market isn't fully baked yet and they thought that the shirts were premature (and too costly to just give us). Might this be a good time to consider Cafe Press, then? as it turns out, the graphics house was actually the sponsor them bailing means that we don't even get a design... (darren) -- The kind of thinking we do sets the stage for the action we are likely to take. Because of this, a man who refuses to develop his thinking is likely to act on the impressions made upon him by others. -- Dr. Clause R. Baker, "Coin In The Air"
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At 08:29 28/03/2001 -0500, Geoffrey Young wrote: From: darren chamberlain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Might this be a good time to consider Cafe Press, then? as it turns out, the graphics house was actually the sponsor them bailing means that we don't even get a design... But if there _was_ some good artwork, would Cafe Press (or any similar service) be a possible option ? I'd need to discuss this with my partners, but if it is seen as a viable way to have shirts, and if there is a hole somewhere in one of the graphic guys' planning, it would be possible for us to provide the artwork (perhaps against a small mention in a corner). -- robin b. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat drink beer all day.
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"Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Might this be a good time to consider Cafe Press, then? Geoffrey as it turns out, the graphics house was actually the sponsor Geoffrey them bailing means that we don't even get a design... If it's designs you want, I could probably get Stonehenge's graphic house to contribute the design. Same guy that did the new Stonehenge logo and the "knife" brochure last year. He's very good. Especially if it's my "mod_perl: over 42 billion served" idea. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
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HI, Just wondering, can someone buy these t-shirt online somewhere if they can't attend ApacheCon? Why hasn't anyone made tanktops for the ladies? -Original Message- From: Geoffrey Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:53 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:17 AM To: Geoffrey Young Cc: 'darren chamberlain'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Might this be a good time to consider Cafe Press, then? Geoffrey as it turns out, the graphics house was actually the sponsor Geoffrey them bailing means that we don't even get a design... If it's designs you want, I could probably get Stonehenge's graphic house to contribute the design. Same guy that did the new Stonehenge logo and the "knife" brochure last year. He's very good. Especially if it's my "mod_perl: over 42 billion served" idea. :) since I'm not coordinating the actual delivery (like I did last year), if someone else wants to go about subsidizing a design and throwing it over to Cafe Press I'm game... go nuts :) --Geoff
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Jonathan Gardner wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Gunther Birznieks wrote: So apart from the Native American thread which I believe everyone has worked out... what do you want to do about T-Shirts? For me, three ideas stand out... 1) I did like the ModDonalds idea... What about this? (this would have to appear on the back or in small text on the front) If McDonalds used mod_perl... ... a burger that was referred to like a box of fries would turn into some strange numeric concoction that didn't make any sense, but was occasionally useful. ... the recipes would be available to the public. ... their menus would become enormous, available from a CMAN, and full of a mixture of completely bizarre experiments and staggeringly good food, all mixed up together. ... every time you bit into a burger, it would rebuild itself on-the-fly just in time for you to taste it. ... some wit would probably put hash cakes and oysters on the menu. ... if you weren't careful, ordering one thing would cause a bunch of other "pre-requisites" to also get ordered. Ultimately, you might find them refurbishing the whole building in response to your order. (But Trademark Difficulties(tm) probably take out this idea; there are better legal fights to be had). -- Tim Sweetman A L Digital "Life in a box is better than no life at all, I expect. You'd have a chance, at least. You could lie there thinking, 'Well. At least I'm not dead.'" --- Rosencrantz
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"Tim" == Tim Sweetman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tim (But Trademark Difficulties(tm) probably take out this idea; there are Tim better legal fights to be had). But in the US, we have safe harbor because of the 2 live crew supreme court case. This is a parody, remember!? Of course, you're own your own if you export the shirt to international waters... :) If you just stick with the original idea, there's not a helluva lot they can claim about TM dilution or confusion of services offered. I actually thought about both of those issues when I came up with the idea. That's why it was a serious idea. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
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theme How about a picture of a card game; on the table are a 9 of diamonds, Jack of Clubs, and King of spades. The dealer is about to play the Ace of perl. The caption reads, "mod_perl does the trick". Also in the dealer's hand are cards that say, IIS iPlanet Servertec Xitami ... /theme The cards on the table are arbitrary. Perhaps some clever individual can code a secret message into the card selection. I'm also not sure what the 'Ace of perl' should look like, but we all know what the 'A' stands for. You can also pick your favorite competition, for cards still in the dealer's hand.
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I am so sorry to have to add one more comment to this thread but I am afraid that I am being misquoted. The quotation below IS NOT MINE though it appears that way by incomplete quoting to someone who didn't get my original post! Again, it came from Sherman Alexie a Coeur d'Alen Indian who wrote the screenplay for 'Smoke Signals', the first movie to be written, directed and acted entirely by Native Americans. It becomes very clear if you listen to Alexie how EXACTLY Native Americans feel about these matters. Again I was only providing the quote and a link to Alexie's site so those who care to might learn more about it. http://www.fallsapart.com/index.html That's it. No more on this issue from me! I love mod_perl! (that's to qualifiy the msg for the list :) bakki On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:35:40 -0600 "Ken Williams" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Farber (EED)) wrote: Bakki Kudva wrote: Just look at the sports teams. You couldn't have a team called the Washington Kikes or the Washington Micks. But yet you can have the Washington Redskins and this Indian with a big nose and big lips running around. How would you feel if it was the Washington Rabbis and you had a guy with braids running around throwing bagels? Hey, that would be very funny! And I'm jewish. It sounds like kind of a funny idea in theory, perhaps for a Saturday Night Live skit, but how horrible it would be if this were actually carried out with a real team and a real city. Guys, relax - I don't believe, that using feathers and/or Apache is offending anyone, esp. because it's a nice piece of software. That may be right, but I live in a community with a lot of Native Americans, I have a (pretty small) bit of Cherokee heritage myself, and there's no way in hell I'm going to wear, in public, a shirt that uses stereotypical Indian symbols to promote something as far removed as web server software. It would feel like an affront on my chest. Anyway, it seems the shirt isn't going toward this idea, so in that sense the point is moot, but some of the discussion has really been rubbing me the wrong way. I don't think it's proper for one person to dictate the situations in which another person is supposed to take offense, and the situations in which he/she shouldn't. That's not how emotions work. ------ Ken Williams Last Bastion of Euclidity [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Math Forum -- .-.| Bakki Kudva__Open Source EDMS__ oo|| Navaco ph: 814-833-2592 /`'\| 420 Pasadena Drive fax: 603-947-5747 (\_;/) | Erie, PA 16505 http://www.navaco.com/
Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
So apart from the Native American thread which I believe everyone has worked out... what do you want to do about T-Shirts? For me, three ideas stand out... 1) I did like the ModDonalds idea... 2) I wasn't at last years conference, I really like the World Domination one and wished I could have gotten that. If the notice is short before April 4th, I certainly would not mind having another one of those... :) 3) I also really really loved the Extreme Linux T-Shirt from LinuxExpo 3 years ago. The theme that year was Clustered Computing and RedHat had just made the first cluster utility CD. It had a picture of a snowboarding penguin... Something along that line --- mod_perl equating with extreme perl programming would be kind of cool... Later, Gunther
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Sorry I forgot to cc the list the first time. Can we not make the list messages come 'from:' the list address by default so we can cc the sender only if needed? Begin forwarded message: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:58:59 -0500 From: Bakki Kudva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF First I vote for Randal's ModDonald's idea. Secondly I had an idea and here is crude representation of it. It is Tux the Linux Penguin acting like that character from the movie "the Predator" with a Gatling gun strapped across his chest with perl bullets (on the ammo belt and shooting out of the muzzle) and when they hit the target they splash into web pages. If this appeals to the list some one with a better "artistic license" than I can do a better job of rendering it. :) I did it in a couple of minutes with Gimp. On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:16:50 +0800 Gunther Birznieks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So apart from the Native American thread which I believe everyone has worked out... what do you want to do about T-Shirts? For me, three ideas stand out... 1) I did like the ModDonalds idea... 2) I wasn't at last years conference, I really like the World Domination one and wished I could have gotten that. If the notice is short before April 4th, I certainly would not mind having another one of those... :) 3) I also really really loved the Extreme Linux T-Shirt from LinuxExpo 3 years ago. The theme that year was Clustered Computing and RedHat had just made the first cluster utility CD. It had a picture of a snowboarding penguin... Something along that line --- mod_perl equating with extreme perl programming would be kind of cool... Later, Gunther -- .-.| Bakki Kudva__Open Source EDMS__ oo|| Navaco ph: 814-833-2592 /`'\| 420 Pasadena Drive fax: 603-947-5747 (\_;/) | Erie, PA 16505 http://www.navaco.com/
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"Bakki" == Bakki Kudva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bakki It is Tux the Linux Penguin acting like that character from the Bakki movie "the Predator" with a Gatling gun strapped across his Bakki chest with perl bullets (on the ammo belt and shooting out of Bakki the muzzle) and when they hit the target they splash into web Bakki pages. If this appeals to the list some one with a better Bakki "artistic license" than I can do a better job of rendering Bakki it. :) I did it in a couple of minutes with Gimp. But mod_perl is not just Linux. mod_perl runs just fine on those redmond-based so-called "operating systems", as well as BSD (little devil, anyone?) and Unix, and starting saturday, MacOS X! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
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I'd like to officially vote for Maude Pearl, the 1920's Bettie Paige-ish dominatrix-esque mod_perl mascot. Put a woman in black fishnets on a t-shirt with the word 'perl' on it and you won't be able to fit enough of them into the convention to meet the demand. :) -- Blue Langhttp://www.gator.net/~blue 2315 McMullan Circle, Raleigh, North Carolina, USA 919 835 1540
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Blue Lang wrote: I'd like to officially vote for Maude Pearl, the 1920's Bettie Paige-ish dominatrix-esque mod_perl mascot. Wow. I've had "perl6 themes" as a background process for a while now. SM is certainly a meme that precious few other programming languages have made use of ... There's a kill() function, but don't forget your safe word! Nat
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SM is certainly a meme that precious few other programming languages have made use of ... http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/bondage-and-discipline-language.html Well, close... Cheers, Richard -- Richard Dice * Personal 519 635 9568 * Fax 519 635 9569 ShadNet Creator * http://shadnet.shad.ca/ * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Occasional Writer, HotWired * http://www.hotwired.com/webmonkey/ "squeeze the world 'til it's small enough to join us heel to toe" - jesus jones
Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Gunther Birznieks wrote: So apart from the Native American thread which I believe everyone has worked out... what do you want to do about T-Shirts? For me, three ideas stand out... 1) I did like the ModDonalds idea... What about this? (this would have to appear on the back or in small text on the front) If McDonalds used mod_perl... ...You'd serve burgers 100x faster. ...You could use perl in the employee's handbook. ...Your employees wouldn't have to be so smart because they could share memory. ...You'd be able to fit 10x or more employees in the same space. ...[insert clever comment here] ...Of course, every time you changed a recipe, you would have to shut down and reopen every McDonalds store... =) I don't know for sure the numbers, maybe they aren't very solid so you can just make them up, because maybe somewhere someone is experiencing those kinds of increases. -- Jonathan Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- Jonathan Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED] (425)820-2244 x123
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On 22 Mar 2001 11:42:26 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: But mod_perl is not just Linux. mod_perl runs just fine on those redmond-based so-called "operating systems", as well as BSD (little devil, anyone?) and Unix, and starting saturday, MacOS X! I was thinking about thatperhaps mod_perlers could adopt some other animal- Kangaroo, Tasmanian Devil?, or just a generic geeky prorgrammer sort of like Dilbert. bakki -- .-.| Bakki Kudva__Open Source EDMS__ oo|| Navaco ph: 814-833-2592 /`'\| 420 Pasadena Drive fax: 603-947-5747 (\_;/) | Erie, PA 16505 http://www.navaco.com/
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Nick Tonkin wrote: Personally I find the very name Apache a little uncomfortable.. ... but the relevance of an http server to the Apache nation escapes me (and the symbolizing of the Apache nation with a feather strikes me as stereotypical at best). Most of you will have seen, at least in photgraphs, the remarkable sandstone escarpment of Ayer's Rock in Australia. For millenia this was a sacred place for the aboriginal Australians. When europeans first started touring the continent, they happily scampered up it since to them, climbing to the top of things seems to be the obvious thing to do. After about a century of this, it finally occurred to someone to ask an aboriginal what he thought about people climbing the rock - did he mind? The answer was "Yes, actually". Nowadays, although Yulura (to give it its original name) is still climbed (the native austalians choose not to assert their opinions) you should be aware that you climb it with the disapproval of a people to whom it is holy. You might as well whack a few pitons into the Wailing Wall or bungee-jump in St. Peter's Basilica. The point I am making is that you cannot anticipate how people of a different culture might think about symbols and names and places. It may be that people of the Apache Nation are indifferent to the name being used for a computer program, or they may like the association with a freedom-loving, open-source, not-for-profit organisation which is striving against corporate greed to make the world a better place, or they may find it offensive. I don't know. Did anybody ask them? Rgds, Owen Boyle.
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Randal 42 billion has the right sound to it. It's "the answer", after all, Randal a billion times over. :) I like it! Maybe a big round pearl with a smiley-face and a headband with feather sticking up in the back with the words "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters printed below :) Take it one step further... How about a nice camel with a nice feather-ed headband, a big tatoo of the number 42 (maybe another feather there too?). Above it written mod_perl, and below in nice friendly letters: Don't Panic. Issac
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:11:13 -0500 Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, we may have a winner with the Native American and lamp idea. A coworker suggested a peace pipe (picture an indian smoking perl) instead of a lamp, since you don't see warriors holding lamps often. maybe some smoke signals? I am not trolling here nor am I particularly trying to be 'politically correct' but after seeing Sherman Alexie's award winning movie "Smoke Signals" and listening to him (just yesterday on 60 Minutes II) I have a developed a new understanding and respect for Native American symbologies and their relegious significance to them. To quote Alexie:(http://www.fallsapart.com/art-side.html) "Alexie: It's part of the national consciousness. If people start dealing with Indian culture and Indian peoples truthfully in this country, we're going to have to start dealing with the genocide that happened here. In order to start dealing truthfully with our cultures, they have to start dealing truthfully with that great sin, the original sin of this country, and that's not going to happen. Just look at the sports teams. You couldn't have a team called the Washington Kikes or the Washington Micks. But yet you can have the Washington Redskins and this Indian with a big nose and big lips running around. How would you feel if it was the Washington Rabbis and you had a guy with braids running around throwing bagels? Or the Washington Jesuits with some guy handing out communion wafers. It wouldn't happen. So, it's an insult. It's proof of the ways in which we get ignored." So it MIGHT be distasteful to use these Native American metaphors no matter how innocuous they might seem to us. My 2cents worth, bakki -- .-.| Bakki Kudva__Open Source EDMS__ oo|| Navaco ph: 814-833-2592 /`'\| 420 Pasadena Drive fax: 603-947-5747 (\_;/) | Erie, PA 16505 http://www.navaco.com/
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: still need more suggestions for a theme that aren't tongue-in-cheek, lol! Why, I thought that was the idea!!! Geoffrey well, of course - but much folly leaves the list Geoffrey innundated with (albeit funny) postings but not much for Geoffrey me to work with... Geoffrey (it's all Randall's fault ;) I actually was seriously suggesting mine. You didn't specify any design criterion that would rule mine out. What was wrong with mine? You mean apart from the trademark infringement? I know, what about "mod_perl is my bNO CARRIER
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Well, I've been resisting any replies here, especially since I've *never* been accused of being "politically correct", but since we're tossing in pennies, here are my two: I agree that the use of *any* symbols of a race or religion to represent a sports team (or anything else of that ilk) is at least distasteful, and probably even downright insulting given way those symbols are used in a typical sports setting -- see the Atlanta Braves and their idiot fans' "Tomahawk Chop". However, IMHO, the use of the name "Apache" shouldn't in any way be interpreted as demeaning here. We're using it for something that we all hold in the highest respect -- well written, open, highly useable software that's the most popular in the world for its task. I don't believe I've ever seen any representation of the Apache logos used in any way that connoted anything but respect and admiration. Yes, I'm an *not* of Native American descent (I'd love to hear the viewpoint of someone who *is*...), so maybe there's something that I don't understand here. But I don't think I'd be personally offended if we were calling this "the Italian server", or "the French-Canadian server", or "the American server" (which covers my ethnic backgrounds...;^) In fact, I think I'd feel some pride in having a quality product associated with what I identify with. (And in a little tangent to give folks something to flame, I've never understood why people get so offended about sports teams using "warrior" in their names. My home town recently changed their team names from "The Golden Warriors" to "The Golden Eagles", because of a discussion like the one we're involved in here. Isn't "warriors" a generic term? Weren't there Amazon warriors? The Vikings? The Romans? etc.?) Some folks spend way too much time looking for something to be offended by, again IMHO. That's my 2 (or 3) cents... Steve On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Bakki Kudva wrote: I am not trolling here nor am I particularly trying to be 'politically correct' but after seeing Sherman Alexie's award winning movie "Smoke Signals" and listening to him (just yesterday on 60 Minutes II) I have a developed a new understanding and respect for Native American symbologies and their relegious significance to them. To quote Alexie:(http://www.fallsapart.com/art-side.html) "Alexie: It's part of the national consciousness. If people start dealing with Indian culture and Indian peoples truthfully in this country, we're going to have to start dealing with the genocide that happened here. In order to start dealing truthfully with our cultures, they have to start dealing truthfully with that great sin, the original sin of this country, and that's not going to happen. Just look at the sports teams. You couldn't have a team called the Washington Kikes or the Washington Micks. But yet you can have the Washington Redskins and this Indian with a big nose and big lips running around. How would you feel if it was the Washington Rabbis and you had a guy with braids running around throwing bagels? Or the Washington Jesuits with some guy handing out communion wafers. It wouldn't happen. So, it's an insult. It's proof of the ways in which we get ignored." So it MIGHT be distasteful to use these Native American metaphors no matter how innocuous they might seem to us. My 2cents worth, -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- My God! What have I done? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Steve Reppucci [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Logical Choice Software http://logsoft.com/ |
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I realize that the subject is OT, but let's not get into a political (or whatever) debate on the list. there will be no images of anything picking on any particular demographic (be it Python or Native Americans) so please take this discussion offline... I am sorry this turned into something approaching the offensive - I just wanted to give away some shirts... --Geoff
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--- Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, we may have a winner with the Native American and lamp idea. A coworker suggested a peace pipe (picture an indian smoking perl) instead of a lamp, since you don't see warriors holding lamps often. maybe some smoke signals? Thought about a peace pipe, but wasn't sure how you could make it clear that it was a peace pipe without adding feathers, which you already proscribed. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[Very OT] Politically Correct-ness (was: RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF)
--- Nick Tonkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Dave Rolsky wrote: . . . I for one would appreciate a design that doesn't fetishize a culture and people that have already had enough abuse at the hands of 'American' people. Hear, hear. Personally I find the very name Apache a little uncomfortabl. I get the joke about it being a patchy server (although now the ratio of original NCSA code to `new' code is so miniscule as to invalidate the patch theme anyway, imho), but the relevance of an http server to the Apache nation escapes me (and the symbolizing of the Apache nation with a feather strikes me as stereotypical at best). soapbox Let's be careful here, people. It was a linguistics joke, not an ethnic one. No 'relevance' was ever intended. Feathers *are* stereotypical of Native American culture, and that was the point. No slur, no insult, no belittlement. Stereotypes bring certain archtypes to mind. End of point. Stereotypes are based on reality, even if only a real misperception. I have Native American heritage myself. I am more offended that someone would be offended on my behalf. Please, let's not start another "issue" here, like complaining about the name of the Atlanta "Braves", or the uproar about the Confederate flag flying over state capitals. /soapbox Now, just in case anyone wonders, I think this is all rather funny. I just don't want it to evolve into pointless flamage. If it bothers anyone, cast you vote and voice against, which is what folks are doing...but please don't be offended. There's way too much of that these days. ;o] Can we please keep the design more focused on technology and geekiness? I concur wholeheartedly. To be honest, I do too, to some degree. The initial suggestion of an indian was a joke, which perhaps I presented poorly. Pleaase accept a genuine apology if it was out of good taste. But the use of a geneie bottle should be just as offensive to those of Arabic descent, which in my opinion should be not offensive at all. Lamp and feather are both archtypical icons. ... So, these three *'s walk into a bar Smile, folks. You're on Candid Email. ;o] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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On 21 Mar 2001, Piers Cawley wrote: You mean apart from the trademark infringement? I know, what about "mod_perl is my bNO CARRIER All your base are belong to mod_perl ?? MBM g, d rlh -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) perl -e 'print reverse split//,"\n.rekcah lreP rehtona tsuJ"' perl -e '$_="\n.rekcah lreP rehtona tsuJ";m!$!;print$while($`=~m,.$,s)'
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[extensive snippage] How about a bunch of white shirts? One magic marker per shirt and everyone can draw their own picture of a computer. alternatively, "No-one could decide on an image so all we got was this lousy sentence." Dave
Re: [Very OT] Politically Correct-ness (was: RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF)
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 08:14:53AM -0800, Paul wrote: --- Nick Tonkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I find the very name Apache a little uncomfortabl. I get the joke about it being a patchy server (although now the ratio of original NCSA code to `new' code is so miniscule as to invalidate the patch theme anyway, imho), but the relevance of an http server to the Apache nation escapes me (and the symbolizing of the Apache nation with a feather strikes me as stereotypical at best). Let's be careful here, people. It was a linguistics joke, not an ethnic one. No 'relevance' was ever intended. i want this thread to die as much as everyone else, but i feel compelled to correct history a bit -- the "a patchy server" story is apocryphal. the name came before the pun. http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-04/behlendorf_02.html (but, really, let this part of the thread die, please.) another note to throw out there -- o'reilly claims trademarks on the camel/perl association and the mod_perl/eagle association, so someone will either need to get permission from them to print a shirt perpetuating those associations, or come up with a different idea. search the list archives for this same discussion from last year. jim
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Steve Reppucci wrote: Some folks spend way too much time looking for something to be offended by, again IMHO. I'm pretty sure that for any thing you might find, I would be able to find someone offended by it. Let's no do anything too obvious (a camel ramming up stuff up Bill Gates ass would probably be a bad choice :-) ) and we'll do fine. -- "Perl appeals to the other side of your brain, whether that's associate, artistic, passionate, or merely spongy." -- Larry Wall
Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
Bakki Kudva wrote: Just look at the sports teams. You couldn't have a team called the Washington Kikes or the Washington Micks. But yet you can have the Washington Redskins and this Indian with a big nose and big lips running around. How would you feel if it was the Washington Rabbis and you had a guy with braids running around throwing bagels? Hey, that would be very funny! And I'm jewish. Guys, relax - I don't believe, that using feathers and/or Apache is offending anyone, esp. because it's a nice piece of software.
Re: [Very OT] Politically Correct-ness (was: RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF)
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Jim Winstead wrote: another note to throw out there -- o'reilly claims trademarks on the camel/perl association and the mod_perl/eagle association, so someone will either need to get permission from them to print a shirt perpetuating those associations, or come up with a different idea. search the list archives for this same discussion from last year. O'Reilly were happy for me to use the logo provided I proclaimed their copyright on all pages that used it, and provided a link back to them. I don't know how they'd feel about putting it on a T-shirt though, since you can't exactly spatter the t-shirt with trademark declarations (or hrefs!). -- Matt/ /||** Founder and CTO ** ** http://axkit.com/ ** //||** AxKit.com Ltd ** ** XML Application Serving ** // ||** http://axkit.org ** ** XSLT, XPathScript, XSP ** // \\| // ** mod_perl news and resources: http://take23.org ** \\// //\\ // \\
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Hey! I really like the "camel ramming up stuff up Bill Gates ass" one! Can we go with that? No? Crap! -Original Message- From: pp [mailto:pp]On Behalf Of Pierre Phaneuf Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:52 AM To: mod_perl list Subject: Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF Steve Reppucci wrote: Some folks spend way too much time looking for something to be offended by, again IMHO. I'm pretty sure that for any thing you might find, I would be able to find someone offended by it. Let's no do anything too obvious (a camel ramming up stuff up Bill Gates ass would probably be a bad choice :-) ) and we'll do fine. -- "Perl appeals to the other side of your brain, whether that's associate, artistic, passionate, or merely spongy." -- Larry Wall
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Farber (EED)) wrote: Bakki Kudva wrote: Just look at the sports teams. You couldn't have a team called the Washington Kikes or the Washington Micks. But yet you can have the Washington Redskins and this Indian with a big nose and big lips running around. How would you feel if it was the Washington Rabbis and you had a guy with braids running around throwing bagels? Hey, that would be very funny! And I'm jewish. It sounds like kind of a funny idea in theory, perhaps for a Saturday Night Live skit, but how horrible it would be if this were actually carried out with a real team and a real city. Guys, relax - I don't believe, that using feathers and/or Apache is offending anyone, esp. because it's a nice piece of software. That may be right, but I live in a community with a lot of Native Americans, I have a (pretty small) bit of Cherokee heritage myself, and there's no way in hell I'm going to wear, in public, a shirt that uses stereotypical Indian symbols to promote something as far removed as web server software. It would feel like an affront on my chest. Anyway, it seems the shirt isn't going toward this idea, so in that sense the point is moot, but some of the discussion has really been rubbing me the wrong way. I don't think it's proper for one person to dictate the situations in which another person is supposed to take offense, and the situations in which he/she shouldn't. That's not how emotions work. ------ Ken Williams Last Bastion of Euclidity [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Math Forum
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On 19 Mar 2001, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: "mod_perl: 20 billion hits served" And turn the "m" into a stylized arch. :) Nick er, maybe 20 trillion ... ? seeing as how ValueClick alone has done a bit Nick over 42 billion since 6/98 ... :) yeah, I was hoping valueclick would jump out and give me a better number. actually, then it should probably be more like 55 billion[1]. And in the busy hours. we add more 3000 to that. Per second. :) - ask [1] Nick only included numbers from one of the ValueClick divisions running the system with mod_perl. :-) -- ask bjoern hansen, http://ask.netcetera.dk/ !try; do();
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well, thanks everyone for your suggestions (maybe :) I just thought I'd sum up some of the issues that we dealt with last year: o the Eagle and Apache feather are off limits - we didn't get permission to use them last year and don't expect that to change. o the shirt is going to have a corporate sponsor, so we don't want to go dousing MS or whatever which might get them into trouble o while there may be some *cough* friendly competition between perl and ? we don't want to pick on any one particular programming demographic (though they guy who is forking over the $$ loves python and we pick on eachother all the time - that one made me chuckle) o unfortunately, we can't get into the biz of selling any. the logistics of that is just too much. anyway, here is last years image (well almost, the background is skewed in this one, but I couldn't find the actual one). http://morpheus.laserlink.net/~gyoung/apachecon.jpg the image was on the back and the corporate logo on the breast pocket (except there wasn't a pocket). It will probably be some similar arrangement this year (the company has to get its moneys worth :) Keep the ideas coming... thanks all --Geoff
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o unfortunately, we can't get into the biz of selling any. the logistics of that is just too much. Maybe using a service like Cafe Press to sell the shirts would work? http://www.cafepress.com/ I know I'd be interested in purchasing a shirt.
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Geoffrey Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: o unfortunately, we can't get into the biz of selling any. the logistics of that is just too much. What about using a service like www.cafepress.com where you upload the artwork and they take care of all the logistics: order taking, payment, manufacturing, shipping, and customer service. You can increase your price over their "base" and donate the money to perl somehow, or just sell at the base price. It would also be easy enough to upload the artwork from last year. David Harris President, DRH Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.drh.net/
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-Original Message- From: David Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:24 AM To: Geoffrey Young; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF Geoffrey Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: o unfortunately, we can't get into the biz of selling any. the logistics of that is just too much. What about using a service like www.cafepress.com where you upload the artwork and they take care of all the logistics: order taking, payment, manufacturing, shipping, and customer service. You can increase your price over their "base" and donate the money to perl somehow, or just sell at the base price. It would also be easy enough to upload the artwork from last year. Hi David... yeah, I hadn't heard of this until you and Kenny mentioned it. I asked around - apparently the quality isn't the best. At any rate, we'll probably end up doing this since it doesn't cost anything and gives the sponsor some more eyeballs... still need more suggestions for a theme that aren't tongue-in-cheek, though :) --Geoff David Harris President, DRH Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.drh.net/
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It would also be easy enough to upload the artwork from last year. I'd use the same artwork, but change mod_perl to mod_perl 2.0. Alas, with all the latest development Doug has done for mod_perl 2.0, it seems that the release of Apache 2.0 will be the main show stopper. So let's keep the folks on the cutting edge... Anyway, Doug rules!!! Oh, we can also ask Doug to pose enface with a snowboard and notebook for the artwork :) _ Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://apachetoday.com http://logilune.com/ http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/
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Hi ( 01.03.20 10:36 -0500 ) Geoffrey Young: still need more suggestions for a theme that aren't tongue-in-cheek, though :) But those are the best ones! And puns and other word play are a part of perl culture! Also, just for my information, who decides on the theme and how do they do it? -- \js The teacher was discussing the creation of the world, Adam Eve and their expulsion from the paradise. At the end of the class the teacher asks: "So students, Can you tell me who were Adam Eve ?". One student answered: "They were russians". "Why ?" asked the teacher. "Because they didn't have clothes, house or car and they thought they were in paradise".
RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
-Original Message- From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:58 PM To: Geoffrey Young Subject: RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF --- Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: still need more suggestions for a theme that aren't tongue-in-cheek, lol! Why, I thought that was the idea!!! well, of course - but much folly leaves the list innundated with (albeit funny) postings but not much for me to work with... (it's all Randall's fault ;) Seriously, though How about this: A graphis of an old-style oil-lamp or some baroque bottle, with smoke seeping out into a little cloud. Make the smoke out of snippets of perl code, particularly mod_perl/Apache specific calls when possible. I like this whole idea lots... If you get a really good artist, put the lamp/bottle into the hands of a well-built Native American figure (a warrior-type is great, but an "indian princess" has subliminal appealok, ok, but think about it, lol!) I think the graphics house we'll be using is pretty capable :) --Geoff Worst case, embed the bottle in some sort of "net" graphic. It could work __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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Randal 42 billion has the right sound to it. It's "the answer", after all, Randal a billion times over. :) I like it! Maybe a big round pearl with a smiley-face and a headband with feather sticking up in the back with the words "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters printed below :) Ken Creason - [EMAIL PROTECTED] C @,@ Web Development/Server Administration \ -/ Fischer Computer Systems
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"Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: still need more suggestions for a theme that aren't tongue-in-cheek, lol! Why, I thought that was the idea!!! Geoffrey well, of course - but much folly leaves the list innundated with (albeit Geoffrey funny) postings but not much for me to work with... Geoffrey (it's all Randall's fault ;) I actually was seriously suggesting mine. You didn't specify any design criterion that would rule mine out. What was wrong with mine? /me feels hurt that his idea wasn't taken seriously... -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Dave Rolsky wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Geoffrey Young wrote: If you get a really good artist, put the lamp/bottle into the hands of a well-built Native American figure (a warrior-type is great, but an "indian princess" has subliminal appealok, ok, but think about it, lol!) I for one would appreciate a design that doesn't fetishize a culture and people that have already had enough abuse at the hands of 'American' people. Hear, hear. Personally I find the very name Apache a little uncomfortabl. I get the joke about it being a patchy server (although now the ratio of original NCSA code to `new' code is so miniscule as to invalidate the patch theme anyway, imho), but the relevance of an http server to the Apache nation escapes me (and the symbolizing of the Apache nation with a feather strikes me as stereotypical at best). Can we please keep the design more focused on technology and geekiness? I concur wholeheartedly. -- nick
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:59 PM To: Geoffrey Young Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: still need more suggestions for a theme that aren't tongue-in-cheek, lol! Why, I thought that was the idea!!! Geoffrey well, of course - but much folly leaves the list innundated with (albeit Geoffrey funny) postings but not much for me to work with... Geoffrey (it's all Randall's fault ;) I actually was seriously suggesting mine. You didn't specify any design criterion that would rule mine out. What was wrong with mine? /me feels hurt that his idea wasn't taken seriously... sorry Randal - I guess I just found it so funny that I didn't think you were really serious about it (I saw the big glowing M and nearly snarfed my coffee :) actually, we may have a winner with the Native American and lamp idea. A coworker suggested a peace pipe (picture an indian smoking perl) instead of a lamp, since you don't see warriors holding lamps often. maybe some smoke signals? if anyone out there can suggest some mod_perl code (obfuscated or not) that could go in the smoke that would be great... --Geoff
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Geoffrey Young wrote: If you get a really good artist, put the lamp/bottle into the hands of a well-built Native American figure (a warrior-type is great, but an "indian princess" has subliminal appealok, ok, but think about it, lol!) I think the graphics house we'll be using is pretty capable :) I for one would appreciate a design that doesn't fetishize a culture and people that have already had enough abuse at the hands of 'American' people. Can we please keep the design more focused on technology and geekiness? -dave /*== www.urth.org We await the New Sun ==*/
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"Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Geoffrey sorry Randal - I guess I just found it so funny that I Geoffrey didn't think you were really serious about it (I saw the big Geoffrey glowing M and nearly snarfed my coffee :) As a professional comedian, I *demand* that my name may or may not be Randal. No, no, I demand that my jokes be treated with RESPECT! pounding_table/ :-) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
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-Original Message- From: Dave Rolsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:19 PM To: Geoffrey Young Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Geoffrey Young wrote: If you get a really good artist, put the lamp/bottle into the hands of a well-built Native American figure (a warrior-type is great, but an "indian princess" has subliminal appealok, ok, but think about it, lol!) I think the graphics house we'll be using is pretty capable :) I for one would appreciate a design that doesn't fetishize a culture and people that have already had enough abuse at the hands of 'American' people. Can we please keep the design more focused on technology and geekiness? fair enough. don't know if you got my latest response, but looking at it I was probably not as sensitive to the issue as I should have been... my apologies in advance. --Geoff -dave /*== www.urth.org We await the New Sun ==*/
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"Dave" == Dave Rolsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave So as not to be a total spoilsport, I would like to point out that I Dave thought Randal's idea (Mcmod_perl?) was rather clever and I think it'd be Dave cool (though I don't know if there are trademark issues). Remember. It's a Parody. Safe harbor. 2 Live Crew bought us that (or was it some other rap-ish group... I can't recall). And it wouldn't be "mc". Just the golden m. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Drew Taylor wrote: snip.. won't be there this year. Speaking of which, will the mod_perl classes have the handouts available over the web? i know doug's been updating his: http://perl.apache.org/~dougm/modperl_2.0.html sterling
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"Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Geoffrey What I don't have are any ideas for a shirt theme. The Geoffrey sponsor will be taking care of all the graphics work Geoffrey required - just your mental capital is needed. "mod_perl: 20 billion hits served" And turn the "m" into a stylized arch. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Geoffrey Young wrote: Hi all... In the spirit of things free and fun, I again have a sponsor for mod_perl T-Shirts for this year's ApacheCon BOF. I think we can afford to make this year's BOF a bit more organized than last year's (probably no shirt tossings) but the shirts will likely be there just the same. What I don't have are any ideas for a shirt theme. The sponsor will be taking care of all the graphics work required - just your mental capital is needed. Since this is really OT, any discussion should probably be directed to the advocacy list or to me personally. Then again, things are so slow here lately ;) Well I figure since things are slow... How about having take23 somewhere on the shirt?... /me awaits response about being Mr Marketeer again... -- Matt/ /||** Founder and CTO ** ** http://axkit.com/ ** //||** AxKit.com Ltd ** ** XML Application Serving ** // ||** http://axkit.org ** ** XSLT, XPathScript, XSP ** // \\| // ** mod_perl news and resources: http://take23.org ** \\// //\\ // \\
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--- "Randal L. Schwartz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Geoffrey What I don't have are any ideas for a shirt theme. The Geoffrey sponsor will be taking care of all the graphics work Geoffrey required - just your mental capital is needed. "mod_perl: 20 billion hits served" And turn the "m" into a stylized arch. :) LOL!! Way to go, Randal! Or how about a play on the old Superman line? A graphic with O'Reilly's Eagle and a caption like "Look! Up on the net! It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it'swait, it *is* a bird." And then we could have JAmPH submissions for the conference theme to be printed on the pocket? Lord knows we could come up with some beautiful one-liners, and what's a better way to represent Perl? ;o] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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On Mar 19, Geoffrey Young ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) was heard to say: In the spirit of things free and fun, I again have a sponsor for mod_perl T-Shirts for this year's ApacheCon BOF. I think we can afford to make this year's BOF a bit more organized than last year's (probably no shirt tossings) but the shirts will likely be there just the same. What I don't have are any ideas for a shirt theme. The sponsor will be taking care of all the graphics work required - just your mental capital is needed. Forgive me, it's been a long Monday... The MS ripoff version: mod_perl: Where do you want to send someone today? The catchphrase-of-the-day version: mod_perl: All your browser are belong to us. The *ahem* version: mod_perl: Delivering your porno faster than anyone else. The big brother version: mod_perl: We know who you are. We'll tell you what you need to know. The Perl advocate's version: mod_perl: Let's see you try to do this with Python. Cheers, Charles -- Charles J. Brabec | I'd like to talk about... how good things used to be, Web Systems Programmer | how bad they are now, and how much worse they're going [EMAIL PROTECTED]| to be in the future. -- Larry Wall, opening a talk on PH 919.513.0171| Perl 6
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Hi ( 01.03.19 13:35 -0500 ) Geoffrey Young: In the spirit of things free and fun, I again have a sponsor for mod_perl T-Shirts for this year's ApacheCon BOF. Any thought of making a extra and selling them off the list for people who can't get to ApacheCon and yet want to proclaim their mod_perl ness? What I don't have are any ideas for a shirt theme. MOD_perl- socket to me mod_perl can handle[r] it -- \js If you see an unattended bag, go up and talk to her.
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"mod_perl: 20 billion hits served" And turn the "m" into a stylized arch. :) LOL!! Way to go, Randal! Or how about a play on the old Superman line? A graphic with O'Reilly's Eagle and a caption like "Look! Up on the net! It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it'swait, it *is* a bird." And then we could have JAmPH submissions for the conference theme to be printed on the pocket? Lord knows we could come up with some beautiful one-liners, and what's a better way to represent Perl? ;o] I would humbly suggest that displaying typical write-only-code isn't the best way to promote mod_perl. ... and the real reason I posted was simply to say that I support the idea of making the shirts available to NON attendees. Last years shirt looked really good, but alas... -Tom
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Charles J. Brabec wrote: The Perl advocate's version: mod_perl: Let's see you try to do this with Python. I know you're only joking, but let's not fall into that trap of confusing arrogance with advocacy. This is my chief complaint about Pythoners: they're always insulting Perl! I consider it poor form. Incidentally, there are some nice mod_perl clones for Python, based partially on Doug's work. - Perrin
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At 3:59 PM -0500 3/19/01, Paul Cotter wrote: From: "Geoffrey Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I don't have are any ideas for a shirt theme. The sponsor will be taking care of all the graphics work required - just your mental capital is needed. For the logo: I considered and Apache with 4 legs, but then settled on a camel with 8. (While we could all do with an extra hump occasionally, I do not think it would be required here) [picture of camel] + [picture of apache feather] = [tarred and feathered camel]? Or a head on view of a camel with a feather in it's mouth. Rob -- Warning: The contents of this message are made of bits which may or may not be an accurate representation of my thoughts.
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I second that suggestion. I have one from last year (I found the BOF because Stas laid the T-shirts out in a path to the room - good one Stas! :-), but I won't be there this year. Speaking of which, will the mod_perl classes have the handouts available over the web? John Saylor wrote: Hi ( 01.03.19 13:35 -0500 ) Geoffrey Young: In the spirit of things free and fun, I again have a sponsor for mod_perl T-Shirts for this year's ApacheCon BOF. Any thought of making a extra and selling them off the list for people who can't get to ApacheCon and yet want to proclaim their mod_perl ness? -- Drew Taylor Software Engineer OpenAir.com http://www.openair.com/
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er, maybe 20 trillion ... ? seeing as how ValueClick alone has done a bit over 42 billion since 6/98 ... :) How about an oyster, open, showing the perl inside, wearing a Parka and driving a Vespa? ~~~ Nick Tonkin On 19 Mar 2001, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Geoffrey What I don't have are any ideas for a shirt theme. The Geoffrey sponsor will be taking care of all the graphics work Geoffrey required - just your mental capital is needed. "mod_perl: 20 billion hits served" And turn the "m" into a stylized arch. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
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[ugh - next time, don't be a top-quoter - bleh] "Nick" == Nick Tonkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "mod_perl: 20 billion hits served" And turn the "m" into a stylized arch. :) Nick er, maybe 20 trillion ... ? seeing as how ValueClick alone has done a bit Nick over 42 billion since 6/98 ... :) yeah, I was hoping valueclick would jump out and give me a better number. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
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Nick Tonkin wrote: er, maybe 20 trillion ... ? seeing as how ValueClick alone has done a bit over 42 billion since 6/98 ... :) How about an oyster, open, showing the perl inside, wearing a Parka and driving a Vespa? Heh. Well, if you are going to go *that* route, we might consider doing a knock-off of the Quadrophenia cover [1], but replace the anonymous, angst-ridden rider's head with that of a friendly-looking Camel. :-) Of course, all this presumes that people even remember who/what the Mods were... -kip [1] http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B02P1P.01.LZZZ.gif -- "Perl was written first of all to let the Artist make amoral decisions." - Larry Wall
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42,539,693,877 to be exact... sorry Nick! :) ~Sean "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: [ugh - next time, don't be a top-quoter - bleh] "Nick" == Nick Tonkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "mod_perl: 20 billion hits served" And turn the "m" into a stylized arch. :) Nick er, maybe 20 trillion ... ? seeing as how ValueClick alone has done a bit Nick over 42 billion since 6/98 ... :) yeah, I was hoping valueclick would jump out and give me a better number. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
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"Sean" == Sean C Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sean 42,539,693,877 to be exact... sorry Nick! :) 42 billion has the right sound to it. It's "the answer", after all, a billion times over. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
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Ya, I know... I just love to give Nick some grief once in a while... :) ~Sean "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: "Sean" == Sean C Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sean 42,539,693,877 to be exact... sorry Nick! :) 42 billion has the right sound to it. It's "the answer", after all, a billion times over. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
