Re: Sort Subscribed Newsgroup List?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

The same technique works with Mac as well you go to:

Documents > Mozilla folder > Profile folder (your name) > folder with
random letters and numbers plus .slt> News Folder.

Locate NewsFat file. open with BBedite lite. cut and paste line
according to the way you want the news servers to be listed.

Go to same file as above and open each file that starts news.servername
(the name of the ISP or news server).com (org, biz , etc) and use
BBEdite Lite to cut and paste to organize.

Do NOT leave any blank spaces as in example below:

1

2
3
4


Or else the file will not work

When saving just do a Save not a Save As. Save - saves the file in
native format. Save as you have to choose desired format BBEdit Lite
being preferred.

Pratik wrote:
> 
> On 03/25/2002 11:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Is there anyway to sort the subscribed newsgroup list in 0.9.9?  In NS
> > 4.X you can at least manually move a newsgroup up or down in the list.
> > This would be nice and a quick sort function even better.
> 
> No starightforward way but a hack is to shutdown Mozilla, open up your
> /News/newsrc- file (under windows I think its a .rc
> file) and shuffle the lines in there to suit you.
> 
> Pratik.

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Re: VCards Facility

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

To use Vcards you needed two plugins : about time / aboutpeople to make work.

Those plugins don't work because of the liveconnect issue. 

Plus in Communicator most newsgroups and most people receiving emails
asked that they be turned off.

I don't believe that they were put in Mozilla or netscape6.  Persoanlly
i liked them myself. but was careful not to have them snet
automatically. 

I might have to wear and asbestoes suit for promoting Vcards but I liked
them. I actually think they are better than using a signature file. (Lot
easier to read and don't take up as much space as signature file.

Tim Daly wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Wonder if anyone can direct me to the set up of VCards within the mail
> options of Netscape 6.2.1
> 
> Have just replaced Communicator 4.7 where the Personal VCards was very
> efficient and available as an attachment option but after an hour
> searching cannot find a single reference to VCards.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Tim daly

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Re: Warum hat Mozilla 0.9.9 so viele neue Bugs? Ein Sabotuer?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Sören Kuklau wrote:

> On 3/24/2002 10:23 PM, Martin Fritsche apparently wrote exactly the
> following:
>
>> Ben Bucksch wrote:
>>
>>> I read somewhere no the web: "English (and German) are not 
>>> Latin-based; they're Germanic, not Romance."
>>
>>
>>
>> That's why it's called German and not Roman :-Þ
>>
>> And especially for the readers of The Sun: There is no known 
>> influence from the huns. ;-)
>>
>
> German is Indogermanic, as is English.
>
> French, Italian, Spanish etc. are Romanic.
>
> Russian etc. are... hmm... Hunnic?
>

Cyrillic :-)

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Re: Warum hat Mozilla 0.9.9 so viele neue Bugs? Ein Sabotuer?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Ben Bucksch wrote:

> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
>
>> Its not the system is bad. Its just different.
>>
> Some things are objectively bad. "I don't have no car" (for "I have no 
> car") is just logically wrong. And "Your out of luck" instead of 
> "You're out of luck" is, by the definition of the language, wrong. I 
> admit that the latter error is easy to make. But the former is, I 
> think, a genuine American symptom.

The first is considered bad form in America as well its called using 
a"double-negative".

The second second can be a matter of pronounciation, actually the same 
thing is being said. The southeastern part of the US prononces words 
much diffrently for the reast of the US. where people from around the 
Massachusetts/Vermont area come as close to sound like British as we can 
get without living in England. This area is in the northeast. I live in 
the Mid-atlantic area which is in between. When i talk I tend to have 
southern accent so I might end up sounding Like i am saying "your" for 
you're.

>
>
>> French and French Canadians speak French. But it may not be the same 
>> french.
>>
> Are you just guessing or do you know that this is the case? French is 
> a very tightly and centrally controlled language. (And I shows, in a 
> positive way.)


Actaully I have a sister-inlaw that is a French teacher in the past she 
has taken some of her French classes to France and to French Canada. She 
says there "are" definite deferences (pronounciation).

>
>
>> The point is people are different is all no one country or race should
>> be any better than the other, they are just different.
>>
> I didn't mean to say that Englishmen were "better" than Americans.
>
> What you can objectively test is if Englishmen are better educated 
> than Americans. But let's not get into that discussion :-).
>
>
Again I did not say one was better - only different.

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Re: Warum hat Mozilla 0.9.9 so viele neue Bugs? Ein Sabotuer?

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Parish wrote:

> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
>
>>
>> I watch a cooking progam from Enland on the FoodChannel. The Star is
>> Jammie Oliver and the show is called "The Naked Chef" the title is
>> supposed to mean getting to the bare essentials of food.
>>
>> He uses a slang tern for great (as in Taste great)  pucker. Examaple the
>> dish is really pucker.
>>
>
> In this context "pucker" comes from Indian (puckah) although I'm 
> willing to stand corrected.


That does sound logical

>
>
>> In the US the same word has a different meaning as in Pucker up and Kiss.
>>
>
> Also in Britain.
>


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Re: Warum hat Mozilla 0.9.9 so viele neue Bugs? Ein Sabotuer?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Parish wrote:

> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
>
>>
>> Parish wrote:
>>
>> ---snip---
>>
>>> Why *American* English? Why not just *English*
>>>
>>
>> British English (or the "Kings" English) is different. Though we have
>
>
> "Queens", at the moment :-). Now there's a word with a whole different 
> connotation in the US.
>
>> some common word and terms in common. There are many differences.
>> American English is made up words from British English, French, German
>> and other Languages. We even use some old world Latin terms as well.
>>
>
> Well of course English is a pot-pourri anyway. Look at the occupiers 
> of the British Isles over the millennia; Norse, Viking, Angles, Saxes, 
> Normans, Britons all of whom have contributed to the English language.
>
>> I'll give an example of a difference between US and British English :
>>
>> First the Description of the item:
>>
>> area of a car you open to store such items as suitcases, Grocries,
>> Tools, etc.
>>
>> US English  = Trunk
>>
>> British English = Boot
>>
>> In the US Boot also means:
>> an item worn on the foot similar to a shoe (noun)
>>
>
> and in Britain
>
>> To get rid of ... as in the bad employee was given the boot...  (verb)
>>
>
> and in Britain
>
>> Trunk in US english Besides the meaning previously given Is:
>>
>> a special Box used to store items such as clothes, blankets, Quilts. etc.
>>
>
> and in Britain
>
>> The nose or proboscis appendage of an Elephant.
>>
>
> and in Britain
>
>> If I were to go to Britain to live I would have to start in the first
>> grade just to relearn the language.
>>
>
> No you wouldn't, you'd just have to learn to spell ;-)
>

I resemble that. :-)

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Re: Warum hat Mozilla 0.9.9 so viele neue Bugs? Ein Sabotuer?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Ben Bucksch wrote:
---snip-

> In writing, we are even closer to "High German". I have no problem
> reading even Austrian websites, apart from some "strange" (for me) words
> used. This is very much unlike English, where you have stuff like color
> vs. colour, because nobody acknowledges any official and definite English.

We also spell the color Grey two different ways.

can be grey or gray.

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Re: Warum hat Mozilla 0.9.9 so viele neue Bugs? Ein Sabotuer?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Holger MEtzger wrote:
> 
> Am 24.03.2002 16:37 Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. schrieb:
> > Your correct!
> >
> > Like I said I've forgotten the the spelling.
> >
> > Basically, it was supposed to say "I don't speak German", or don't speak
> > German, or "can't speak German" something the neighborhood.
> >
> > Doesn't the two words together (sprechen deutsche) above mean something
> > like : DO you Speak German?
> >
> > My friend wife notes there are two versions  (dialects) of German,
> > regular German, and High German. That, there some words in each version,
> > that are not in the other. And that pronounciation can be different. And
> > that Austria tend to use one version while, Germany tends to use the
> > other, although they both know each version and can speak them as needed.
> 
> 
> 
> Austrians use different words, but a German should understand them, in a
> written form anyways... :-)
> German consists of so many different dialects it's hard for a German
> form the North to understand a Bavarian, and vice versa, if they do not
> speak "High German". The German spoken in Switzerland is even harder to
> understand. But also here in the region where I live people that live 5
> kilometres away speak differently already.
> The thing is that High German is "artificial", it's maybe like "Queen's
> english" in England... nobody really talks that way (Martin Luther and
> his bible translation is considered to be the starting point for High
> German).
> It also has historical reasons. For most of German's history, there was
> no Germany at all, but many many small countries with their different
> ways of speaking. These german-speaking countries had a few things in
> common: a basic german language and the same cultural background. In the
> 19th century the two dominant German states (Prussia and Austria) fought
> for control over the rest of the german countries, Prussia won and
> eliminated Austria's influence over other German states almost
> completely. This victory over Austria gave Prussia total control over
> the weaker German states and in 1871 Germany was found, under almost
> complete control of Prussia (the prussian King was also the German
> emperor, the prussian chancellor was also the german chancellor).
> 
> 
> 
> - Holger

This is all very interesting. See what can happen when we try to inform
and talk to people rather than at people. It sure beats all this stuff
about one country or one person is bether than the other. We are all
just different.
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Re: Warum hat Mozilla 0.9.9 so viele neue Bugs? Ein Sabotuer?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Ben Bucksch wrote:
> 
> Parish wrote:
> 
> > Why *American* English? Why not just *English*
> 
> Because (it seems like that) most American people, unlike Englishmen,
> don't care or know how to speak correctly, and what is used is allowed,
> so almost anything is allowed. Which American writer can use all the
> tenses correctly (e.g. the progressive past perfect or the conditional
> ones (if... then)), that students of British English have to learn?
> 
> I account that to the utterly bad American educational system (and
> social system in general).

No not necessarily.

I watch a cooking progam from Enland on the FoodChannel. The Star is
Jammie Oliver and the show is called "The Naked Chef" the title is
supposed to mean getting to the bare essentials of food.

He uses a slang tern for great (as in Taste great)  pucker. Examaple the
dish is really pucker.

In the US the same word has a different meaning as in Pucker up and Kiss.

Its not the system is bad. Its just different. After the US broke away
from the English during the Revelutionary War, they had less brish to
influence the way the speak, so it became different.

Its like the Spanish and Mexicans speak Spanish; but; its not the same
spanish. Or perhaps, French and French Canadians speak French. But it
may not be the same french.

The point is people are different is all no one country or race should
be any better than the other, they are just different.

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Re: Warum hat Mozilla 0.9.9 so viele neue Bugs? Ein Sabotuer?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Parish wrote:

---snip---

> Why *American* English? Why not just *English*
> 
> --
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>   and run in a circle on broken glass than have to deal with any
>   Microsoft product on a regular basis."
> -- Dan Zimmerman,
>   Vanderbilt University, when asked about Windows NT.
> 
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British English (or the "Kings" English) is different. Though we have
some common word and terms in common. There are many differences.
American English is made up words from British English, French, German
and other Languages. We even use some old world Latin terms as well.

I'll give an example of a difference between US and British English :

First the Description of the item:

area of a car you open to store such items as suitcases, Grocries,
Tools, etc.

US English  = Trunk

British English = Boot

In the US Boot also means: 

an item worn on the foot similar to a shoe (noun)

To get rid of ... as in the bad employee was given the boot...  (verb)

Trunk in US english Besides the meaning previously given Is:

a special Box used to store items such as clothes, blankets, Quilts. etc.

The nose or proboscis appendage of an Elephant.

If I were to go to Britain to live I would have to start in the first
grade just to relearn the language.

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Re: (PROPOSAL]: n.p.m.chat or n.p.m.social

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Though we can't vote for this kind of bug I have commented on the bug in
the affirmative!

Sˆren Kuklau wrote:
> 
> On 3/24/2002 6:27 PM, Parish apparently wrote exactly the following:
> > OK, fellow Mozillians, what would it take to start a general purpose NG
> > where nothing (legal) is OT?
> 
> *cough* bug 127495 
> *cough*
> 
> --
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Re: (PROPOSAL]: n.p.m.chat or n.p.m.social

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Wouldn't mind seeing such a group and would subscribe to it.

Parish wrote:
> 
> OK, fellow Mozillians, what would it take to start a general purpose NG
> where nothing (legal) is OT?
> 
> There is currently a thread, "Warum hat Mozilla 0.9.9 so viele neue
> Bugs? Ein Sabotuer" running in n.p.m.general which has become a thread
> about the German language. This is totally OT for any Moz NG but is
> (IMHO) a very interesting thread anyway.
> 
> Sooner or later, in threads such as this, someone will cry, "OT", but
> there is nowhere to take it where it is On-topic.
> 
> The Internet is an international community, especially in the Open
> Source world, and being able to have interesting, informed, intellectual
> discussions with people from other countries, cultures, and with
> different mother-tongues, is fascinating, educational, and generally
> broadens ones horizons.
> 
> I subscribe to several FreeBSD mailing lists one of which is .chat. Over
> the years there have been many threads there which have been totally OT
> re FreeBSD but were extremely interesting nonetheless; wine,
> language/grammar, geography[1], the price of petrol (US:gas), US gun law
> (long threads those :-)).
> 
> For the most part those who frequent the n.p.m.* NGs are sensible,
> intelligent people with whom one can have an informed discussion so I
> believe we should have a NG where "anything (legal) goes"
> 
> Comments? Observations? Counter-proposals?
> 
> Flames > /dev/null
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Parish
> 
> [1] As one Australian poster said in one thread, "I have studied a map
> of Australia and can safely state that Windows N.T. does not exist" :-)
> 
> --
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> -- Dan Zimmerman,
>   Vanderbilt University, when asked about Windows NT.
> 
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Re: Warum hat Mozilla 0.9.9 so viele neue Bugs? Ein Sabotuer?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

American English, is difficult to learn as well. I know I magle it all
the time.

There are words that are not spelled anything like they are pronounced.
There are words that are spelled the same but depending upon whether it
used a a verb, noun, preposition or the like is pronounced toally
different. there are words that are spelled the same and have two or
three different meanings.

example Case as a noun means a form of container

while Case as verb means to look around an area.

And we do have at least one very long word (that's not used often):

antidisestablishmentaryism

which means the belief in not tearing down builds usually churches.

Morten Nilsen wrote:
> 
> Garth Wallace wrote:
> > Wasn't talking about words English has borrowed from German or
> > vice-versa. Japanese has plenty of loanwords (from English mainly, but
> > also from German and other Western languages), but the native words are
> > totally unrelated and familiarity with any Western language will not
> > help you learn them. There's no way to predict which Western concepts
> > would be expressed in Japanese with a loanword or by building from
> > Japanese roots: for instance, "bicycle" in Japanese is "jitensha", but
> > "bus" is "basu". "Building", which you'd think Japanese would have a
> > term for, is merely "biru" (shortened from "birudingu"; not to be
> > confused with "biiru" with a long i, which is beer).
> >
> 
> Another example (ref Gundam X); Satelito System
> 
> Anime rocks!
> --
> Morten Nilsen, aka Dr. P
> 
> We are the borg^]dbdbiMicrosoft.
> Prepare to be assimilated^]dbiembraced and extended.
> Resistance is futile^]dbdbdbiWe know you want it.
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Re: Warum hat Mozilla 0.9.9 so viele neue Bugs? Ein Sabotuer?

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Sören Kuklau wrote:
> 
> On 3/23/2002 5:35 PM, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. apparently wrote exactly
> the following:
> >  neign spchen de dutche.   (I have a friend that has a german -
> > actually Austrian - wife. I'm unsure of the spelling but the  phrase for
> > Don't speak German is something like the above.)
> 
> Lol. That sentence has absolutely nothing to do with German.
> 
> > If I've mangled the spelling forgive me.
> 
> Absolutely. You've written something like "dN#T seap Garmn" ;-)
> 
> The "spchen" might be "sprechen", and "dutche" is probably meant to be
> "deutsche" or "deutsch" or so.
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Sören Kuklau ('Chucker')
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Your correct!

Like I said I've forgotten the the spelling. 

Basically, it was supposed to say "I don't speak German", or don't speak
German, or "can't speak German" something the neighborhood.

Doesn't the two words together (sprechen deutsche) above mean something
like : DO you Speak German?

My friend wife notes there are two versions  (dialects) of German,
regular German, and High German. That, there some words in each version,
that are not in the other. And that pronounciation can be different. And
that Austria tend to use one version while, Germany tends to use the
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Re: how to delete a mail without viewing it?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

another thing you can do I think in Moz/N6 and have been able to do in
Communicator since 4.0. is click on the center margin deviding the pane
bettwen the text window and the address/subject/header window. which
closes the text window. you can mark the headers you don't wish to read.
Then click on the margin at the bottom  in the center (has a textured
area). To reopen the text pane.

Jason Fleshman wrote:
> 
> Max Bentz wrote:
> > How can I delete a message without viewing it before? Everytime I click on a
> > message in order to mark it for deleting, it is displayed in the message
> > window
> > below (I don't want t close the message-window)
> >
> > How to avoid it? Specially spam or advertizsng-mails (specially html
> > mails with probably bugs hidden in pictures) I want to be able
> > to delete it without opening it before.
> >
> > Thanks for some hints!
> >
> > Max
> 
> The latest nightlies allow you to right-click on a message and delete it
> without opening the message itself.
> 
> --Jason

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Re: Warum hat Mozilla 0.9.9 so viele neue Bugs? Ein Sabotuer?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

actually Austrian - wife. I'm unsure of the spelling but the  phrase for
Don't speak German is something like the above.)

If I've mangled the spelling forgive me.

Martin Fritsche wrote:
> 
> Johnny wrote:
> > What language is that?
> >
> > looks great, i really do want to learn that one.
> >
> > johnny
> 
> That was german. You'll need a lot of time to learn that ;-)
> 
> Aber ich wünsche Dir viel Spaß dabei!
> 
> --
> Everyone who sends advertisement to me agrees to pay a fee of 10 Euro.

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Re: Mozilla 1.0: Ready for the corporate desktop?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Most Plugin folks have gone on to other projects and there is very
little interest in changing.

I have yet to get Quicktime 5.02 on the mac platform to work. Even with
just the quicktime plugin installe along with the Java plugin and the
default plugin.

whereever there is supposed to be a sound console shows up as a black
box with binary code runing in the box.

Steven Fraser wrote:
> 
> I agree with Phillip. Mozilla/Netscape 6 will be fairly useless to some
> corporate users with its lack of live connect. Neither Flash nor
> Quicktime can be scripted from JavaScript which makes my company refuse
> to support them.
> 
> If live connect is not compatible with the new Java runtime
> enviornments, then another solution with XPConnect should be offered. Or
> some serious evangelising of Apple, Macromedia and other plug-in
> developers needs to take place to support XPConnect.
--snip--
> >>  -- Benjamin Franklin
> >
> >

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Re: Can anyone check why this doesn't work in Mozilla (Javscript expertswanted)

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

The code or picture was sent from
snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.test.multimedia

Probably why it doesn't work. is that it most likely use 
tags hwich verbotten in Mozilla/netscape6. IE even though is more
stanadrsds compliant than in the past does allow for backwards
compatible with previous standards (not W3C Standards).

Could the substitution of Div tags instead of layer tags allow it to work?

a lot of the folks on the group are very inovative and many are web
designers by trade. Using the group to try out new tricks. 

What happens with this when it works is when you move the mouse it
unwinds into something like a streamer and follows the path of the mouse
movement then when the mouse is stopped it reassembles and shows the
analog clock.


> Martin Poirier wrote:
> 
> My cousin just sent me this file and told me 2 check that out, its
> very
> cool man...) anyways, I tried to load it in mozilla and I saw nothing
> cool. I had to load it in *yuck* IE to see the cool animation effect.
> I
> don't know why it isn't working in mozilla because I know almost
> nothing
> of javascript and there seems to be a lot of code in there. Can anyone
> with more knowledge of JS than me check the file and maybe suggest a
> way
> to edit it to make it work in mozilla ?, or is it a mozilla JS bug ?
> any input appreciated
> 
> Thanks,
> Martin
> 
> ---
> 
> Hi Guys this is amazing.
> I do not know who wrote this HTML code.
> Asoka Liyanage.

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Re: The Standard

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Magnus W wrote:
> 
> "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
> > Strange forum this newsgroup to be dicussing religion.
> 
> Not stranger than you advertising your group memberships in every post.
> 
> --
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> Proud AOLTW-Netscape-Mozilla-China-Communism-Pornstar conspiracy member


Just part of my signature file is all.
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Re: The Standard

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Strange forum this newsgroup to be dicussing religion.

Gervase Markham wrote:
> 
> blackbox wrote:
> > Are you a human ...gerv?
> 
> Yes - and a Christian. God is the ultimate hacker - just look at the
> code reuse in DNA.
> 
> Gerv

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Re: U.S. Export Reestrictions

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> 
>  >>> the Palestinians killing Israelies are private
>  >>> terrorists acting on their own will,
>  >>
> >> supported and encouraged by the population and the "authorities"
> >
> > I disagree with this assessment.
> [...]
> > Arafat is only one person. He can no more, prevent these people do what
> > they do  than, President Clinton could have prevented Terry Nichols and
> > his bunch from blowing up the Murrow Building.
> [...]
> > So Israel, Europe, and North America have brought this on themselves.
> > That's why people, of Islamic faith not living in the USA are suspicious
> > of the US.
> 
> Phillip, you may be ignorant about how computers or Mozilla function,
> and have a strange view on pornography, but when it comes to foreign
> politics, goddamnit, you are clever. And no, this is not meant this in a
> sarcastic way. :-)
> 
> /Jonas

I'll cautiously take that as a compliment.  (Help! Someone get behind me
and catch me, I may faint.)

World History in High School was class I manged to get A's and B's in.

As for ignorant about computers I did work on computers for 17 years for
a school system. Let us say some of my knowledge may be out of date.

As for Mozilla function I'm unsure how to take that. I know that Moz is
a devloper product that it used as a vechile for software designers to
create a newer update system to be used in other products. But i believe
end users as well can contribute as well.

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Re: New Server Traffic?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Wayne Mery wrote:
> 
> Matt Williams wrote:
> > Christopher Jahn wrote:
> >
> >> And it came to pass that Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Mike Hatz (Remove the SPAM) wrote:
> >>>
>  What's going on?  The news server seemed to eat about 4-6
>  days of posts and then most everyone else has vanished
>  from the newsgroups
> >>>
> >>> You're using news://secnews.netscape.com>. Try using
> >>> . (They are actually the same
> >>> server -- the difference lies in the "news" vs "snews".)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Apparently there is some issue between the two servers, as I've heard
> >> complaints in the netscape6 group about posts missing from the
> >> Secnews.netscape.com server.
> >>
> > I was one of the early complainers.  The easy solution is to create a
> > new account for the Mozilla newsgroups with port 119 and the SSL box
> > unchecked.  Then you delete the Mozilla newsgroups from the Netscape
> > news account which has port 563 and the SSL box checked.
> >
> >
> > Matt
> 
> Matt, Jonas,
> 
> I got bit by this and hadn't been getting news since about late
> February.  By dumb luck I checked the groups today and found your
> postings.
> 
> I'm sure other people are having trouble.
> 
> Is there any advantage to using secnews versus news?
>   (is there anyplace that discusses the difference?)
> 
> Is there an advantage to news via news.mozilla.org versus
> secnews.netscape.com?
> 
> Thanks
> Wayne
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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> Wayne
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One advantage to using a  Netscape secure news server is that you won't
get near as many peices of Spam like the X-rated junk we were getting
here a a few weeks ago.

I'd like to thank who ever it was that actually managed to get rid of
the stuff. I can live with the get rich quick schemes. Although I would
like to see them gone as well.

I have been subscribed to several Communicator secnews groups and I can
not remember the last time I saw a piece of Spam of any form. I think it
was about 3 years ago.


Other than that obtaining the headers is slower on a secure group
because of having to send the security info back and forth. once they
are downloaded though seeing the messages are about the same on each group.

For me though the extra 15-20 extra seconds wait to download the
headers. is worth not having the spam.
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Re: U.S. Export Reestrictions

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Peter Lairo wrote:

 --snip---
> 
> supported and encouraged by the population and the "authorities"

I disagree with this assessment. Which has got everybody in trouble. Not
once in any news reports have I once heard Arafat or any main stream
Palestinians, say they agree with the Terrorist Hamasse is, are doing.
Arafat is only one person. He can no more, prevent these people do what
they do  than, President Clinton could have prevented Terry Nichols and
his bunch from blowing up the Murrow Building. Or Bush could have
prevented Osama Benladin from blowing up the twin towers.

Although I am not an Arab, I can understand their feeling. From Biblical
times, until 1948 the Jewish people had no one home country to call
their own.

So all the countries of Europe, North America, Russsia, and others got
together and choose the current area Israel is located. The people that
had been living there Thousands of years were more or less told "get the
"bleep" out of here and never come back".

If I had been living in that area for thousands of years, and suddenly I
didn't have a home, I'd be mad as heck too. 

So Israel, Europe, and North America have brought this on themselves.
That's why people, of Islamic faith not living in the USA are suspicious
of the US.  They figure if people of their faith can get screwed once,
they figure they will get it again and againand again and again.

I have no fault with Jewish people, I have no fault with Islamic people,
in fact I have no fault with any religion.

What I have fault with is people trying to atone for long, long past
sins, creating something , that in the long view ends up causing far
more problems than it will ever cure.

I honestly believe that all the faiths in the world would have been far
better served and the world far more peaceful today, had modern Israel
never been created. Even the Jewish people would have been better served.

Pardon my misspellings. I never was good at spelling and grammar.

---snip--

> Regards,
> 
> Peter Lairo

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Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 & Drudge Report

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Glenn Miller wrote:
> 
> On 17 Mar 2002, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. was seen to have posted this
> wee note into netscape.public.mozilla.general, to which I have responded
> as follows:
> 
> > Sounds that way seems similar to PageMill
> >
> > Glenn Miller wrote:
> >>
> >> On 17 Mar 2002, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. was seen to have posted this
> >> wee note into netscape.public.mozilla.general, to which I have
> >> responded as follows:
> >>
> >> > In fact I'd be hard pressed even to know how to
> >> > open it up.
> >>
> >> You click on the Icon, Phil'. Simple once you know how, eh!
> 
> Funny that eh!
> 
> Glenn Miller
> 
> --
> "What some people have against Open Source Software is what Fundamentalist
> Christians or Moslems have against Knowledge."

The point was That I have never used FrontPage. Nothing else. But from
all the bad press about it in various newsgroups I wouldn't want use it.

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Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 & Drudge Report

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Glenn Miller wrote:
---snip--- 
> And besides, boasting of such "certification" only makes you look like an
> ego-centered bozo, IMHO.
> 
> Can you understand my point, Phil'?
> 
> Glenn Miller
> 
> --
> "What some people have against Open Source Software is what Fundamentalist
> Christians or Moslems have against Knowledge."

Actually, no. Since it took great effort to pass the certification. And
the same Certification for Electronics is available from the same
association in countries all over the world.

And I've been signing my name this way since 1973 when i passed the certification.

To your way of thinking, A person that becomes a medical Doctor should
never ever under any circumtances use Dr in front of his name. Or that a
Person that receives some type of Docorate Degree can not use PhD at end
of his or her name. Or one that gets a dgree in Electrical Engineering
can't use EE at the end. Or mecahnical Engineer can't use ME. Many
lawyers use the sufic PC at end of there name.

The different titles doesn't mean that the person is huffing and
Puffing. It just mean he/she is proud of an acomplishment in life that
took knowledge and hard work to attain and is allowed to use the Prefix
or suffix to denote said acomplishment.

I don't beat anyone over the head with it. I just use it in my
signature. And by doing so i don't mean to give offense to anyone that
isn't certified. There are vastly more people in the world smarter than
I in many subjects.  

I can tell on this group there many smarter than I. And I am willing to
say so.

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Re: Repeat after me....(another tirade on Mozilla cookie handling)

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

What i'd like to see on the subject is that in the cookies window of the
preferences. I'd like to view where exactly the company the cookie come
from what its purpose is and date received. That way if i want to delete
one to trouble shoot a problem. Example even in CookieCutter the
information on the cookie is stuff  that possibly a Unix expert could
decipher. So I don't know whether to delete it or not.

example I have a site called advisorExpress (Fidelity Advisor) that use
to work in Communicator. Then it started taking at least a half-hour
(even on DSL) to come up. Once in you had no problem going from page to
page. If i used IE I had no problems. I wanted to delete just the cookie
for AdvisorExpress to see if its a cookie problem. But even using
cookiecutter I can't determine which one to delete.

There is something almost like that in IE though it doesn't give quite
enough info either.

psmith wrote:
> 
> Christopher Jahn wrote:
> 
> >And it came to pass that psmith wrote:
> >
> >(long rambling and partly incoherent tireade snipped)
> >
> >I'm not sure what you're on about: Mozilla's present Cookie
> >management is leaps and bounds beyond Communicator's.
> >
> >If you're complaining that your old Cookie managers don't work
> >with Mozilla, that's not Mozilla's fault.  Eventually these
> >third party programs will catch up.
> >
> Mozilla's cookie management is superior to Communicator's but that's
> also completely irrelevant.  What Mozilla has incorporated to handle
> cookies is way behind what 3rd party programs are capable of doing, and
> these programs have been the same now for at least 3 years and have been
> performing what one needs for cookies.  If a browser is going to handle
> cookies, it should do so in a fully useful way.  So I suppose the real
> problem must be that the ignorant Mozilla programmers don't know how to
> incorporate these features.  As it is, I expect it's going to be
> difficult getting around Mozilla's new way of presenting cookies.
> Now as for your tone, you should give over, and go back to pulling.

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Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 & Drudge Report

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Sounds that way seems similar to PageMill

Glenn Miller wrote:
> 
> On 17 Mar 2002, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. was seen to have posted this wee
> note into netscape.public.mozilla.general, to which I have responded as
> follows:
> 
> > In fact I'd be hard pressed even to know how to
> > open it up.
> 
> You click on the Icon, Phil'. Simple once you know how, eh!
> 
> Glenn Miller
> 
> --
> "When dealing with the Religious Right one should remember that 'truth' is
> not a part of the rules of their game."

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Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 & Drudge Report

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Glenn Miller wrote:
> 
> On 17 Mar 2002, Jonas Jørgensen was seen to have posted this wee note into
> netscape.public.mozilla.general, to which I have responded as follows:
> 
> > Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> >
> >> If most were designed on Mac there would be near as many problems for
> >> mac people to view currently PC oriented pages.
> >
> > I don't understand what a PC oriented page is. What exactly do you mean?
> 
> Presumably C.E.T (funny surname don't you think?) is referring to pages
> which specialise in information about the Intel/Intel-compatable platform.
> 
> Can't think what else he could be referring to.
> 
> Glenn Miller
> 
> --
> "What some people have against Open Source Software is what Fundamentalist
> Christians or Moslems have against Knowledge."

It's a title. Stands for Certified Electronics Technician.

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Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 & Drudge Report

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Glenn Miller wrote:
> 
> On 17 Mar 2002, Neil M. was seen to have posted this wee note into
> netscape.public.mozilla.general, to which I have responded as follows:
> 
> >  comes to mind.  You can see it just fine in windows, but
> > if you use any other operating system you can't read it.  People who
> > only use windows boxes don't see the problem, but mac and unix users
> > sure do (or did, there are ways to fix it now)
> 
> The font size is relative to the font size that you specify in your
> preferences.
> 
> I cannot remember a time when this was not a user-defined aspect of Mozilla
> 4.x Presumably the same exists for Mozilla 5 but I haven't looked it out.
> 
> Glenn Miller
> 
> --
> "What some people have against Open Source Software is what Fundamentalist
> Christians or Moslems have against Knowledge."

But see what people don't get is that Mac uses a 72dpi system for fonts
and Graphics.

While PC only folks use 96dpi. 

A font set to be viewed as 10 pt on the PC ends up showing as 6 point on
the Mac. 

I've read in post here instead of using relative sizes 1,2,3 actually
declaring the font size =12 pt. Would show as 12 point on the PC and 12
point on the Mac.

I've also read that (In Macworld - I agree you may not consider it
objective since its Mac centric, where PCWorld is PC centric - a web
page designer writing a column noted if desigers would declare height
and width as percentages (as opposed to hard numbers) pages would show
up equally the same on a Mac or a PC. If they are based on hard numbers
then either one platform or the other will end up having to scroll from
side to side. or the page will not be filled out

So depending upon your platform, the size monitor you have, and how you
have the monitor setup 640x480, 800 x 600, or 1024 x 768 your page will
not show up the same.
 ^^^

And the goal for a web page is fill out the same proportions of the
screen and fonts be the same size relative to screen size (12 point
would naturally be larger on a 22" monitor than a 14" monitor). So that
everyone can have the same web experience.
(not everyone Drives a Ford some drive chevrolet's or BMW's, But the
stering wheel is on the same side -depending upon the country).
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Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 & Drudge Report

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> 
> > If most were designed on Mac there would be near as many problems for
> > mac people to view currently PC oriented pages.
> 
> I don't understand what a PC oriented page is. What exactly do you mean?
> 
> /Jonas

A PC oriented page is one created on A PC only taking into consideration
that a PC views images at 96 dot per inch. While a Mac view things at 72
dot per inch.  Any fonts say  rendered as 10 point on the PC ends up
being viewed as 6 point for the same or equivelent font on the Mac.

Also when pages are set for a specific width and height to fill up the
screen using specific hard numbers and showing correct on the PC; on the
Mac you end up having to scroll from side to side to view the entire page.

That's among some of the Mac/PC issues.


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Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 & Drudge Report

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Should have been:

If most were designed on Mac there wouldn't be near as many problems for
   ^^^
mac people to view currently PC oriented pages.

Just can't seem to proof correctly. I read and reread, and reread and it
still comes out wrong when posted.

Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> 
> > If most were designed on Mac there would be near as many problems for
> > mac people to view currently PC oriented pages.
> 
> I don't understand what a PC oriented page is. What exactly do you mean?
> 
> /Jonas

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Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 & Drudge Report

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Brian Heinrich wrote:
-snip-
> 
>  From what I can gather, most professional web designers (a) use Macs
> and (b) use BBEdit.  I'm not a pro by any stretch (just taught myself
> [X]HTML a couple months ago) and (a) use a PC (Apple looked like it was
> about to go tits-up when I bought my computer) and (b) use HTML-Kit (the
> colour-coding is nice for catching those missing close-quote and right
> angle-brackets).
snip-
> --- Brian
> 
> --
> 
> ?We have seen the enemy and he is us? ? Walt Kelly?s Pogo

Sadly no. Most webpage designers either do so on PC Boxes or UNIX boxes.
If most were designed on Mac there would be near as many problems for
mac people to view currently PC oriented pages. If Macs had been the
major platform of Choice. Sun and Apple would have fixed better java
support for OS 9 and lower.

Since OS-X BSD4.4 UNIX in Sheeps clothing (Aqua Interface) Java support
will be much better and maybe the 72dpi - 96dpi issue can finally be put
to rest.

Loyal Mac User.
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Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 & Drudge Report

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Garth Wallace wrote:
snip---
> Do any actual professional web designers actually use FrontPage? I
> thought it was mostly used by the "This is my homepage. Here is a photo
> of my cat Poofball." crowd.

The webpages I have might be considered in your latter category.
Although I don't have a cat and i never heard of Poofball. But; I've
never used Frontpage. In fact I'd be hard pressed even to know how to
open it up. What pages I've actually designed have been in Adobe PageMill.

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Re: Can 2 Versions of Mozilla Run on Same PC?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

On Mac you wouldn't be able to on OS 9,and below because of the problem
with type and creator codes.

if you ateempted to call an html page (URL) then both wold try to open
at the same time. Same problem we have with Netscape6 and Communicator
on the same hard drive or partition. any thing you have setup for
Communicator to open (either with the Internet Control Panel, or File
exchange Control panel) will call up netscape 6 instead, in both are
installed on same partition or same hard Drive (if no partition).

OS-X since its really BSD4.4 Unix in sheeps clothing, may not have a
problem with it.

phil wrote:
> 
> The answer for Linux is yes; I'm running 0.9.8 and 0.9.9 simultaneously
> right now - not sure how you would do this in Win98.
> Phil
> 
> Dom Incollingo wrote:
> 
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > Does anyone know if it is possible (or will be possible in the near
> > future) to have two versions of Mozilla installed on the same PC?
> >
> > I have been using the nightly builds exclusively for quite some time.
> > But after 1.0 is released, I would like to use Moz 1.0 as my default
> > browser but still do some occasional testing with the "alpha" and
> > "beta" nightly builds.  Does anyone know whether (and how) this will
> > be possible?   Thanks very much.
> >
> > Dom
> >

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Re: Forwarding emails with full headers as attachments

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

dman84 wrote:

snip---

> receiving a forward without full headers, I like that.. to me I just
> scroll over all that anyway and go to the message text.
> 
> -Dman84

The reason for the need for the full headers for Fwd's to SpamCop.net is
that use all that information in their parsing (reverse lookup ) engine
to sort out who's sendin the spam, who's hosting it, and who are
innocent parties. Normal or short don't convey enough information.


example of what the full headers contain say on the post I am replying
to is:

Path:  secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail
From: dman84 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.general
Subject: Re: Forwarding emails with full
headers as attachments
 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:12:40 -0800
Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User
Lines: 73
  Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  
  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   NNTP-Posting-Host: 99-230-173-209.dialup.infinetivity.com
   Mime-Version: 1.0
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
  User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows
NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.9+)
  Gecko/20020315
 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
  Xref: secnews.netscape.com 
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Re: Mozilla 1.0: Ready for the corporate desktop?

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Garth Wallace wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> >
> > "Neil M." wrote:
> >
> >>Christian Biesinger wrote:
> >>
> >>>Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If that's the case why can't live connect be used in Mozilla so that
> >>>>Communicator plugins can be used?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>As a matter of fact, I have wondered this as well.
> >>
> >>Live connect can't be used with plugins because it required a
> >>non-standard extension to the Java runtime engine.  Now that you can
> >>plug any JRE in, they no longer have control over the code, thus they
> >>can't use that method anymore.
> >>
> >>(I'm pretty sure about this but it's possible I'm wrong)
> >
> >
> > This a question now:
> >
> > I thought Live connect was a form of Javascript code and had nothing to
> > do with Java. Is that correct?
> 
> LiveConnect is an API for letting Java, JavaScript, and plugins talk to
> each other.

Thanks for clearing that up. 

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Re: Sender is Sendee

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

In Mozilla/ Netscape6 the sumary files are listed as .msf.

In Communicator 4.X.X they are called .snm

DeMoN LaG wrote:
> 
> troy hakala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12 Mar 2002:
> 
> > No one else sees this? It's fine in newsgroups, but in all my mail
> > accounts, the To address is in the Sender column. It's quite
> > annoying as I can't see who is sending me mail.
> >
> 
> Try deleting your summary files for your email (don't touch the files
> with no extensions, those actually hold the mail)
> 
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Re: Motif Look & Feel

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

He didn't ask that. If was asking about using 4.7.5 he would have been
in another Newsgroup.
The question was answered to use the classic skin.  Which comes close to
looking like Communicator.

Lancer Charade wrote:
> 
> isu0 wrote:
> > Is it possible to make Mozilla 0.99 to look like Netscape 4.75?
> > I think it is called Motif Look & Feel.
> >
> 
> May be if you use Netscape 4.75 youll get the look and UI of Netscape 4.75.

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Re: Mozilla 1.0: Ready for the corporate desktop?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

"Neil M." wrote:
> 
> Christian Biesinger wrote:
> > Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> >
> >> If that's the case why can't live connect be used in Mozilla so that
> >> Communicator plugins can be used?
> >
> >
> > As a matter of fact, I have wondered this as well.
> 
> Live connect can't be used with plugins because it required a
> non-standard extension to the Java runtime engine.  Now that you can
> plug any JRE in, they no longer have control over the code, thus they
> can't use that method anymore.
> 
> (I'm pretty sure about this but it's possible I'm wrong)

This a question now:

I thought Live connect was a form of Javascript code and had nothing to
do with Java. Is that correct?

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Re: .snm files

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Besides the are called .msf files now for Moz and N6 instead of .snm
which they had been calle since Communicator 4.0.0 days.

Christian Biesinger wrote:
> 
> Joyce Severt wrote:
> > Can someone tell me if there is a way to recapture a message folder if
> > that folder is gone but I still have the folders .snm file?
> 
> No - the snm file does not contain the contents of emails.
> 
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Re: Mozilla 1.0: Ready for the corporate desktop?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Garth Wallace wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> > Many plugins That Communicator can use, do not work in netscape 6 or
> > Mozilla because they use Live Connect.
> 
> This is true. It also is irrelevant to the claim that the W3C "banned"
> LiveConnect.
> 
> > My understanding as stated on this very newsgroup is That "liveconnect"
> > was a proprietary code that "netscape used". As such W3C would not
> > accept for inclusion in W3C standards because it was proprietary to
> > Netscape.
> 
> If showing up first in one company's browser meant that the W3C would
> not accept it, there would be no OBJECT tag in HTML4 (originally in IE),
> or SCRIPT tag (originally in Netscape), or even TABLE (Netscape again).
> 
> > Netscape has since donated the code. W3C still hasn't seen fit
> > to ratify the code for inclusion.
> > Therefore if its isn't ratified, they do not recommended using.
> >
> > My take on the subject: If that's the case, if they don't approve it for
> > use it "must" be considered banned.
> 
> Nope. They determined that it falls outside of their jurisdiction.
> Therefore they can neither encourage nor discourage its use.
> 
> "Not recommending its use" is not the same as "recommending that it not
> be used".

If that's the case why can't live connect be used in Mozilla so that
Communicator plugins can be used?
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Re: Mozilla 1.0: Ready for the corporate desktop?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> > Many plugins That Communicator can use, do not work in netscape 6 or
> > Mozilla because they use Live Connect.
> >
> > My understanding as stated on this very newsgroup is That "liveconnect"
> > was a proprietary code that "netscape used". As such W3C would not
> > accept for inclusion in W3C standards because it was proprietary to
> > Netscape.
> 
> Read what Christian said. The W3C recommends standards for web
> *content*, not for plugins. Which plugin technology/API/standard
> mozilla.org, Netscape or Microsoft or anyone else wants to use in their
> browsers is completely up to them. There is no W3C recommendation.
> 
> /Jonas

This subject was bought up about 6 months ago; and what I said above was
almost verbatum what was quoted on this newsgroup about the subject, as
to why most current plugin do not work.

There is  recommendation because they haven't accepted the liveconnect
code for use in Plugins.

All I've trying to do is explain "why" current Communicator plugins
don't work in Moz/N6.

I'm tried of being beatup like a punching bag. So I'll just let the
subject die for now.
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Re: Mozilla 1.0: Ready for the corporate desktop?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Many plugins That Communicator can use, do not work in netscape 6 or
Mozilla because they use Live Connect.

My understanding as stated on this very newsgroup is That "liveconnect"
was a proprietary code that "netscape used". As such W3C would not
accept for inclusion in W3C standards because it was proprietary to
Netscape. Netscape has since donated the code. W3C still hasn't seen fit
to ratify the code for inclusion.
Therefore if its isn't ratified, they do not recommended using. 

My take on the subject: If that's the case, if they don't approve it for
use it "must" be considered banned.

That doesn't mean that some one can't use it. For that matter MS could
use it now if they so chose. since they don't usually adhere to standards.

Because liveconnect can not be used, most plugins can not be used.

Christian Biesinger wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> >  That Live connect is a tecnology that Netscape Submitted to
> > W3C which is used by current plugin technology to make them work.
> 
> LiveConnect has nothing to do whatsoever with the W3C. It's only used
> for plugins, which have nothing to do with the W3C.
> 
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Re: Mozilla 1.0: Ready for the corporate desktop?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Where am i lying. this was said in this group. I'm just repeating what
was said. That Live connect is a tecnology that Netscape Submitted to
W3C which is used by current plugin technology to make them work.
The W3C has seen fit not to approve it. So if it not approved, it
banned. what the lie.

Garth Wallace wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> >
> > What's happening with plugins now is that they currently use a system
> > called "liveconnect" which has more or less banned according to W3C
> > rules.
> 
> Philip, you really should see a psychiatrist about your compulsive
> lying. It's pathological.

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Sun Java Question about mozilla

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

This thread has ben going for a day or so in the Java group.

"Java2 JRE not gonna support Mozilla officially..."

Are any of you in the general/wishlist Groups aware of this. From the
original thread it appears Sun will not be supporting Mozilla
compatibility with Java2.

Anyone know about this, and what are the consequences of this to
Mozilla?

This is not trolling. This is asking a legit question. Some folks over
in the Java group appear to be worried about. Should they be?

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Re: More reasons not to download Netscape 6.2.1 - wait until nextrelease!!

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Christian Biesinger wrote:

---snip---
> 
> > Giving you a worthless version of Real Player? That is a big issue
> 
> Which version does Netscape come with?

I can answer this: RealPlayer 7/8

RealPlayer is now up to RealPlayerG2 which is equivlent to v10.

Oh, RealG2 is incompatible with 8 and all 8 components "must" be dumped
defore G2 will work.

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Re: Mozilla 1.0: Ready for the corporate desktop?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Johnny Yen wrote:

---snip-

> So what do you think Netscape should do about *potential* customers that
> dump Netscape because of the Plugin issue?  Just write them off?  Now, I
> know that N6 is incredibly *green* and N7 will be Killer, but it dang well
> better handle Plugins *very* effortlessly or they are limiting their
> userbase right out of the gate.
> 
> jy

What I think should happen is that while, netscape/mozilla do not
"provide" any Plugins other than the Default and MRJ Plugins; they
should enter into some type arrangement with plugin providers so that
you can download any latest plugin free of charge to the user. 

The way it is now if you use more than a barebones plugin, you have to
download and pay for a full service plugin/application. 

Example : QucktimePro is 29.95
RealPlayerG2 you pay so much a month for GoldPass features and every
other year you have to pay again for the program as if you never owned
it to begin with. There is no "upgrade" price.

What's happening with plugins now is that they currently use a system
called "liveconnect" which has more or less banned according to W3C
rules. And Many plugin manufacturers either haven't got around to it,
have gone out of business, or decided its not worth the effort so they
are not updating and moving on to different things.

I suppose Mozilla/N6 wants to get away from Plugin technology since they
having not turned on the applications menu in preference to set which
plugins, and want to rely on such as internet Config/Internet Control
panel (in Mac) and other technologies (in PC Unix) to set which
application to use instead of plugins.

My preference is using plugins, it is a more elegant solution.

Just look at what plugin technology does for Photoshop, it extends
Photoshop's capabilities, exponentially.

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Re: Look at that

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Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
-snip

> I found that myself as well, but a) it's about headers, not body text,
> and b) it's a dupe of an (unknown) bug which is already fixed... so
> that's not it. I refuse to believe that this bug is not in Bugzilla
> already, so I won't file it. But my queries bring up nothing. :-(
> 
> /Jonas

I though Moz/N6 only alowed using something looking like | for threading
instead of  >.

using the | you can't really tell whether your using html or plain text,
other than in plain text the | is rather thick and grey looking. And
using html the line is blue.
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Re: Mozilla 1.0: Ready for the corporate desktop?

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The only plugins Netscape did originally supply with Communicator 4.X was

LiveAudio (one they designed for sound
Default plugin which basic calls a program that ask you to get required plugin
RealPlayer 8 which is out of date they now gone to ReaplayerG2 which if
it had a version number would be something like 10.5
and Shockwave (one version only)

The problem with contracting to provide plugins is that in order for
plugin maker to make it worthwhile to provide is to go with multi year
contract. The problem with that is that the plugin may go through 10 -20
revisions over the life of the contract. So you end up with old
technology for years to come.

The only plugins Netscape/ Moz should provide is the "default" and the
MRJ plugin.

\\o Ray o/ wrote:
> 
> my university has mozilla .096 and i saw
> only one student uses it once. why? 'cause
> it askes you to get plugins everywhere.
> 
> so, another question here. why mozilla doesn't
> include all plugins in the package?
> 
> ray
> 
> "yatsu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> a65vbl$1je1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:a65vbl$1je1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Just wondering what people on this forum think about Mozilla's usability
> in
> > a business environment.
> >
> > I have no doubts that the browser, even in it's current form can be
> > deployed. My concern however is the Mail application.
> >
> > Has anyone deployed Mozilla on a large scale? What shortcomings did yoor
> > users encounter most often? Do you think Mozilla 1.0 will have these
> fixed?

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Re: Look at that

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Jonas Jørgensen wrote:

> Only subjectively can you say the same about
> pornography.
> 
> /Jonas

There are many people that are addicted to porn as well. And many are
closet pedephiles.

There is a Sheriff's office that has a website and chat line that they
use to find and arrest Pediphiles.
In every case when evidence is gathered when the person is arrested.
They have vast quantities of of porn of all types and are subscribed to
many porn sites of all types.

So I don't see "any" redeeming qualities for Porn. and Think it should
be banned period world wide and the persons creating it be put in jail
for the rest of their natural life.

But then agin the statement in the last two sentences are strictly by
opinions and beliefs.
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Re: Setting default HTML page in Messenger

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Questions regarding Communicator 4.7 should be directed to:

snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.machintosh (mac)
snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator.windows (windows PC)
snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator.unix (Unix)

Randall Sell wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Excuse me if this question has already been asked...
> 
> I'm running Netscape 4.79
> 
> Is there a way (registry settings, etc.) that I can control what
> information appears in the main message window of Messenger when it is
> first opened and no mail item is selected? I am well aware I can set my
> default page for the browser. but when mail opens it shows a page which
> appears to come from:
> http://info.netscape.com
> 
> this page shows you news, and ads, etc.
> 
> I searched for this in the registry and found nothing.
> 
> It would be nice to be able to control this so I don't need to open a
> browser window, just to find out what's on television :)
> 
> Sure the developers didn't hard code it in the source.
> 
> thanx in advance,
> Randall Sell
> Australia
> 
> --
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Re: Speaking of never removing the "netscape."...

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Gervase Markham wrote:
> 
> > Couldn't they use the same servers, just set up a new directory and
> > offer it as a separate NG? Is it really that hard to do?
> 
> Yes, probably. No, not really.
> 
> I don't think the obstruction is technical. I'm not actually sure what
> it _is_ - presumably lack of time on the part of the relevant support staff.
> 
> Gerv

Could be lack of interest since the only reason for Mozilla's existance
at Netscape/AOL is to come up with a new version of Netscape 6.

Once they get a perfect package (for them) then adios Mozilla. So since
they are just tolerating mozilla for their on devices, they could care
less about things that would make things easier.

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Re: Look at that

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Jonas Jørgensen wrote:

> >
> > Has nothing to do with AOLTW, Netscape, Mozilla, China, Communism.
> 
> It was just a joke. We have a person in this newsgroup who likes to talk
> about his conspiracy theory of how the communist AOLTW-Netscape wants to
> make Mozilla please China. I found your suggestion that spam filters are
> not being installed because some people actually *like* spam almost as
> ridiculous as that theory.
> 
> /Jonas

I had an idea that was a joking comment.

I any event, enough for now has been said on the subject. The point
being, I've seen more porn on these groups in the last 2 months than I
have for the past almost 53 years (03/28/49).

I'd simply like to see it stop. Also i'd like to see all spam here stop
as well.

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Re: Netscape 6.2.1 (and Mozilla) file save cache question

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Yes use Interarchy (Anarchie) FTP Client. I think they have a Windows
version available.

You just go to ftp site drag file to desired location and it starts
downloading. You can inerrupt the download and restart. It will continue
on where it left off.

Chris wrote:
> 
> I was hoping somebody can help me solve this problem I've been having
> with Netscape and Mozilla.
> My setup:
>   Windows 2000
>   root partition (c: drive) about 200 megs free of a 2 gig partition
>   File server, z: drive about 40 gigs free
> 
> I went to download Oracle 9i (about 1.1 gigs) today and used the "Save
> as..." dialog to save it to my file server (z drive, 40 gigs free).
> Neither netscape 6.2.1, Mozilla or I.E. could download it because they
> all download it temporarily to a cache directory (located in my profiles
> directory on my c: drive with only 200 megs free) before copying it over
> to my file server.
> 
> Is there any way around this?  I haven't found any way to specify
> Netscapes (or Mozilla's) temporary cache directory.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> -Chris

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Re: Look at that

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

That's Right! That's the was it was meant. 

Glad someone else know what i mean besides me. 

Parish wrote:
> 
> Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> > Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> >
> >> Its one thing to view art, its another to have to deal with pornography.
> >> What we are talking about is out, and out porn.
> >
> > I don't understand what you mean. Did you mean to write "only" or am I
> > just unfamiliar with this usage of the word "out"?
> >
> 
> The comma shouldn't be there. The expression "out and out" means "100%,
> pure, unadulterated". So, "...are talking about is 100%, pure,
> unadulterated porn".
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> 
> Anti-spam e-mail address, change _AT_, sorry for the inconvenience

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Re: Look at that

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> 
> > Kryptolus wrote:
>  >
> >> You know. He probably believes it's his job as a man to protect the
> >> women of this planet from all the dirt.
> >> Don't forget to keep the women inside the house. You never know what bad
> >> things can happen to them in the real world!!
> >>
> >> Any case. Drop the 'manly' act. This is how opression of women worked in
> >> the first place.
> >
> > Yes I do if there is any chivalry left in the world. There is no
> > opression about it. It offends me as well,
> >
> > And no I think women can go anywhere and do anything they want so long
> > they are Physically able to the do the job.
> 
> You mean that you believe that everyone is equal? That I can agree with.
> 
> > Its one thing to view art, its another to have to deal with pornography.
> > What we are talking about is out, and out porn.
> 
> I don't understand what you mean. Did you mean to write "only" or am I
> just unfamiliar with this usage of the word "out"?

yes in this form it means the same as "only", or "strictly". 
> 
> > Also You don't mean to tell me that demeaning acts of pornography is not
> > oppressive to women?
> 
> If a person, male or female, wants to be a porn actor, what right does
> anybody else have to prevent them from doing so? It's their choice. They
> can do what they want with their lives, just as you and I can do
> whatever we want with our lives.

That may or may not be true. Sometimes the female may be tricked into
doing the photos. Sometimes they are in a relationship with a Man and
pose for him only. Then the cad sells the photo's.
> 
> I believe that, generally, a person should be allowed to do whatever
> [s]he wants to unless it in some way harms other people. Pornography
> does *not* harm anyone, since those who are offended by it or are simply
> not interested in viewing it can simply choose not to do so. And to
> answer your question, no, I honestly do not see how it is oppressive to
> women in general that some persons choose to create pornography.
> Offending, sure, but oppressing? How? If you don't want to view it, no
> problem, don't view it. It's that simple.

I don't wish to view it. And I am sure that, it was not the intent of
the group to be the purveyor of Porn (At least I hope not).

> I wouldn't be comfortable with some authority telling us that what is
> morally acceptable and what is not. How would we know that that
> authority would not make mistakes? What if that authority made a
> decision with which I did not agree? What if it made a decision with
> which *you* did not agree? We have this nice thing called "free speech",
> you know. Ever heard of it? I don't see why it shouldn't apply to
> pornography as well.
> 
> [Boy, we really need a netscape.public.mozilla.off-topic... or
> netscape.public.mozilla.bad-attitude, even :) ]
> 
> > Like i said I believe some of you want it to continue just to get your jollies.
> 
> Ah, the AOLTW-Netscape-Mozilla-China-Communism-Pornstar conspiracy
> theory. Nice! ;-)

No I didn't say that, It just seems there have been complaints - not
just from me - about it, and nothing has been done to relieve it.

Has nothing to do with AOLTW, Netscape, Mozilla, China, Communism.

> 
> /Jonas

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Re: Look at that

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> 
> > If you discontinue the Mail list deal and place Mozilla on a Secure News
> > server you'd only something like that maybe once every two or three
> > years instead once every two or three post.
> 
> The spam filter bug (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63735)
> is blocked by the general news hierarchy reorganization bug
> (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62228).
> 
> > Honestly I believe its being tolerated so some of you can get your
> > jollies. You'd better clean it up soon though. I have been promoting
> > these news groups for people to Lurk in to learn more about N6/ Moz. And
> > a good part of them are women.
> 
> I don't understand what you mean. Why is it worse for a woman to see a
> spam message than for a man?

If it about Morgages or credit cards. Its Not. But the majority I see is
x-rated stuff. Some men get their jollies seeing junk like that - NOT
ME. However; that stuff would be downright offensive to a Woman. Just
think you as woman scaning message topics to read and happen to open one
showung a picture of a mans Tool, or a woman's privates wouldn't you
find that offensive?

You people don't realize that its not just a man's world when related to
computers. There is probably 40% women fooling with computers as well.

> 
> /Jonas

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Re: Look at that

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Kryptolus wrote:
> 
> Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> > Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> >
> >> If you discontinue the Mail list deal and place Mozilla on a Secure News
> >> server you'd only something like that maybe once every two or three
> >> years instead once every two or three post.
> >
> >
> > The spam filter bug (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63735)
> > is blocked by the general news hierarchy reorganization bug
> > (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62228).
> >
> >> Honestly I believe its being tolerated so some of you can get your
> >> jollies. You'd better clean it up soon though. I have been promoting
> >> these news groups for people to Lurk in to learn more about N6/ Moz. And
> >> a good part of them are women.
> >
> >
> > I don't understand what you mean. Why is it worse for a woman to see a
> > spam message than for a man?
> >
> > /Jonas
> >
> 
> You know. He probably believes it's his job as a man to protect the
> women of this planet from all the dirt.
> Don't forget to keep the women inside the house. You never know what bad
> things can happen to them in the real world!!
> 
> Any case. Drop the 'manly' act. This is how opression of women worked in
> the first place.

Yes I do if there is any chivalry left in the world. There is no
opression about it. It offends me as well,

And no I think women can go anywhere and do anything they want so long
they are Physically able to the do the job.

Its one thing to view art, its another to have to deal with pornography.
What we are talking about is out, and out porn.

Also You don't mean to tell me that demeaning acts of pornography is not
oppressive to women?


Like i said I believe some of you want it to continue just to get your jollies.
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Re: layer indexing question

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Any type of Layer is prosona non grata in Moz and N6. It seems that
According to W3C rules its not legal

so you'll have to use maybe something like Style Sheets to place objects
and have the text Flow around.

one of the web programmeress on the list may come along and give you
proper method.

Another way to find out is do a "show page source and then do a Copy.
the go to the W3C website and paste in to the validator window. and have
it validated. Then it will tell you every i you didn't dot and t you
didn't cross.

Eric wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm not sure if this is the right group to ask but here goes:
> i wrote a page that contains a layer using the div tag. The layer
> contains an image to be placed on the side of the page, see the fill on
> 
> http://ngd.kvi.nl/mc/mc.htm
> 
> The z-index of the layer = -1. It's the only layer on the page.
> Choosing z=-1 makes the text flow OVER the BG image instead of under
> when the browser window is really narrow...that is when using IE.
> 
> Using Mozilla the layer never displays at all, unless the z-index is
> changed to z=0, but then the text flows under the image, both in IE
> and Mozilla.
> 
> Is there a way out of this?
> And what's the HTML standard for this (do negative z-indeces mean :
> hidden? But if so, why have the option "hidden" as well?)
> 
> puzzled
> Eric

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Re: Look at that

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Well I read the groups every day, and have set to read at least a 100
post every day. In That 100 post lately i can Guarantee seeing atleast
5-10 x-rated post on 2 of 4 the groups I view every day: Doesn't seem to
be as much on the mac group.






Andreas wrote:
> 
> > I didn't see it. :-[  I don't read every single message posted.   :-)
> 
> Then why do you post about it?   :)

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Re: Look at that

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

I've harpped on this before and I will now.

If you discontinue the Mail list deal and place Mozilla on a Secure News
server you'd only something like that maybe once every two or three
years instead once every two or three post.

Why is that not possible. is the Secure Server Software that expensive
and Complicated to setup.

I follow several groups on netscape's secure server and the last time i
remember ever getting any type of Spam has been about 3-4 years ago.

Honestly I believe its being tolerated so some of you can get your
jollies. You'd better clean it up soon though. I have been promoting
these news groups for people to Lurk in to learn more about N6/ Moz. And
a good part of them are women.

But since I am not a developer, my opinion don't count for s... . You
all had better get back into the real world.

Robert Davies wrote:
> 
> Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> 
> > Robert Davies wrote:
> >
> >> Hey, I'm disappointed that our spammer friend hasn't returned in the
> >> last 24 hours advertising his great porn sites.  NOT.
> >> Any one noticed that there is no spam from him today?
> >
> >
> > No pr0n site advertising spam? Then what do you call that message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted 11 hours and 25 minutes before yours?
> >
> > > Do you Netscape?! If not, why not?
> > > http://home.netscape.com/
> > > Download Netscape 6.2 NOW!
> >
> > Version 0.9.*4*? You've got to be kidding... :)
> >
> > /Jonas
> >
> I didn't see it. :-[  I don't read every single message posted.   :-)
> 
> --
> Regards, Robert Davies
> My ICQ UIN is: 2905399
> __
> Do you Netscape?! If not, why not?
> http://home.netscape.com/
> Download Netscape 6.2 NOW!
> 
> If you're on DALnet you can
> visit me in: #mpg-mp3-warez

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Re: Will the Netscape/iPlanet layoffs affect Mozilla?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

The information given on various internet news outlets at the time it
happened said it was a 50/50 split.

However; that said anything could have happened after the original sale.

Adam Bailey wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> -snip-
> >> I planet belongs to SUN now.
> >
> > Actaully Netscape is owned by a 50/50 split by Sun and AOL-Time-Warner
> 
> No, that's iPlanet (barring what [EMAIL PROTECTED] said). Netscape is
> owned entirely by AOL.
> 
> --
> Adam Bailey| Chicago, Illinois
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Finger/Web for PGP
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.lull.org/adam/

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Re: Will the Netscape/iPlanet layoffs affect Mozilla?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Actaully Netscape is owned by a 50/50 split by Sun and AOL-Time-Warner

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 07:45:30 -0800, Keith Whaley
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >THing is, Brian, this "news" is over 6 months old by now.
> >I don't know what the update info is...
> >If it HAD affected it, you'd have thought it would be known by someone
> >in this mozilla list...
> 
> I planet belongs to SUN now.

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Re: What is best fileformat (and settings) for screenshots?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Christopher Jahn wrote:
> 
> And it came to pass that Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> 
> > Are you refering the use of Graphics period? Or the use of
> > Gif?
> >
> 
> gif
> 
> --
> }:-)   Christopher Jahn
> {:-( Dionysian Reveler
> 
> "A poet who reads his verse in public may have other nasty
> habits."
> - Robert Heinlien
> 
> To reply: xjahnATyahooDOTcom

hmmm. I though gif (Graphics Interchange File Format) was was an
computer standard. Didn't know there was anything that can't read it. 

How do you send a jpeg with enough detail that's File size is, not
overly large ? Seems you have two choices either enough detail to be
usuable, or small file size.
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Re: What is best fileformat (and settings) for screenshots?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

"Neil M." wrote:
> 
> > The two programs I use for screen capture the Mac are SnapZ Pro, and
> > Screen Catcher both can handle png. But Mac people tend to use jpeg/jpg,
> > and gif. I have PhotoShop Lite  Adobe recently named to it to something else.
> 
> Why do you need a screen capture program?  It's it just apple+shift+f3?
>   (That's just from memory... don't usually use macs.  On windows it's
> alt-print screen for capturing the window and print screen for the
> entire screen)
> 
> Then you just paste it into whatever paint program you use.


Mac on internal screen capture native format is Pict(ture) I belive it
the same as pic for PC.

both SnapZ Pro, and Screen Capture have the ability to save the caputure
in various formats. gif, Tiff, Jpeg, png and so on.

Screen Capture has the advantage of caputuring an entire page not just
the entire screen. it does so by capturing an image then scrolling down
and capturing again , over and over until entire window is captured then
the entire image is put together to make one seamless image.
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Re: What is best fileformat (and settings) for screenshots?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Christopher Jahn wrote:

--snip--

> And won't show in several newsreaders that I know of.
> 
> --
> }:-)   Christopher Jahn
> {:-( Dionysian Reveler
> 
> Mommy's all right, Daddy's all right, they just seem a little
> weird
> 
> To reply: xjahnATyahooDOTcom

Are you refering the use of Graphics period? Or the use of Gif?

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Re: Filtering / Message rules better in Outlook Express?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Pratik wrote:
> 
> On 2/16/2002 10:07 AM, David Tenser wrote:
> 
> 
> >This leads to a question I've been wanting to ask for quite some time
> >now: Is filing a bug report the "correct" way to suggest improvements?
> >Of should improvements be filed to another place?
> >
> 
> It's the correct way. There's a severity field called Enhancement. Use that.
> 
> Pratik.

The practice is called filing a "RFE" (Request For an Enhancement).

If if its specific to a particular system choose desired system.
Otherwise choose "all" if you think it would be an advantage in all
systems. For example I once place a RFE for a Location Bar in two pane
mode for Mail & news so that people with small monitor's don't have to
use the sidebar.

As to whether your RFE is considered, depends upon whether the people
doing the code development thinks it has merit or not.

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Re: What is best fileformat (and settings) for screenshots?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Sören Kuklau wrote:
> 
> Peter Lairo wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > when i need to make a screenshot, I am always unsure as to which
> > fileformat to save it to (gif, jpeg, png, etc.).
> >
> > Since screenshots are usually only a few colors (no photos in the
> > shots), there must be some fileformat that keeps the filesize very small.
> >
> > Also, what pixel size should I resize the file too (my monitor is at
> > 1280x1024 - a bit high for most shots)? Currently, I usually resize to
> > 640x480.
> >
> > I would really appreciate any (detailed) suggestions. :)
> >
> > BTW, this is only *semi* off topic, because I often need to post
> > screenshots to bugzilla. ;)
> 
> I use PNG. My preferred tool - on win32 - is HyperSnap DX, which has
> both a lot of features and yet high performance. I mostly use either the
> option "Full Screen", "Window, Button or Control" or "Region", so I can
> crop away a lot of stuff which doesn't matter for the screenie - such as
> the start button, which everybody knows what it looks like (ugly ;-) )
> anyways. I save them in PNG, usually 24-bit, but sometimes also just
> 8-bit if it's too large of a screenshot and if there's not much
> additional information given by a higher color depth (for example, for
> black and white text display).
> 
> Mozilla has excellent PNG support (in contrast to IE 6 ;-) ), so that's
> not the problem.
> 
> JPEG is pointless for most screenshots, unless you're doing screenshots
> from a photoshop image.
> 
> GIF is less useful than PNG in case that PNG is supported by your
> audience - in other cases, GIF might be sufficient (if not, you'll have
> to use JPEG or something entirely different, such as those ugly huge
> native bitmap formats).
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Sören Kuklau ('Chucker')
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]


The two programs I use for screen capture the Mac are SnapZ Pro, and
Screen Catcher both can handle png. But Mac people tend to use jpeg/jpg,
and gif. I have PhotoShop Lite  Adobe recently named to it to something else.
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Re: What is best fileformat (and settings) for screenshots?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Christopher Jahn wrote:
> 
> And it came to pass that Travis Crump wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Christopher Jahn wrote:
> >> up too much bandwidth, and few programs support .PNG.
> >
> > Isn't that sort of a mute point if you are planing to post
> > the screen shot to bugzilla where your target audience would
> > be using mozilla...
> >
> >
> 
> The word is "moot", not "mute".

Well I guess it could be a silent point as well.

> 
> And it is only moot is Peter ONLY wants the format for posting
> to Bugzilla.  If he's looking for a widely supported format, it
> ain't PNG, and if he's looking for a good format for
> mailing/posting, it ain't GIF.

Other than text for text messages. what is the best format for sending images?

I find that jpeg/jpg uses too much bandwidth. Gif if setup right looks
almost as good and uses far less megabytes than jpeg.

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Re: Hot, tight teens get taught a lesson - and you'll see it without paying!

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Well then discontinue the mail list gateway.

Should be exclusively newgroups only anyway.

david avery wrote:
> 
> "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." wrote:
> 
> > Just moving to a secure server would get rid of most it.
> >
> > Kryptolus wrote:
> > >
> > > Robert Davies wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is no one going to get rid of this guy?
> > > >
> > >
> > > If only things were that easy ...
> >
> 
> not really - since most of the spam is coming in thru the maillist gateway
> not thru the newsserver

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Re: Hot, tight teens get taught a lesson - and you'll see it without paying!

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Just moving to a secure server would get rid of most it.

Kryptolus wrote:
> 
> Robert Davies wrote:
> >
> > Is no one going to get rid of this guy?
> >
> > --
> > Regards, Robert Davies
> > My ICQ UIN is: 2905399
> > __
> > Do you Netscape?! If not, why not?
> > http://home.netscape.com/
> > Download Netscape 6.2 NOW!
> >
> > If you're on DALnet you can
> > visit me in: #mpg-mp3-warez
> >
> >
> 
> If only things were that easy ...

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Re: Speed and size

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Ian Davey wrote:
> 
> JTK wrote:
> 
> >>Wordstar used to fly on old hardware too. Win 3.11 ran very well in a
> >>486 environment with 4megs yet Win 95 replaced it despite the fact it
> >>required a Pentium class CPU and at least 16 megs of RAM.
> >>
> >
> >Win95 was a hell of a lot better than Win3.11.  Mozilla is a hell of a
> >lot *worse* than NC4.7x and IE.
> >
> Trolling again? There's no way its worse than NC4.7, and it's nicer than
> any version of IE I've ever used. You might find a few specific areas
> where one of those two are better, but overall Mozilla is vastly
> superior to Netscape 4 and better than IE in just about every area
> except DOM performance.
> 
> So what in your opinion makes IE so wonderful? So wonderful in fact that
> you spend a huge amount of your time in the Mozilla groups. If it was
> really so excellent you wouldn't be remotely interested in Mozilla as
> you'd have no need for any other browser.
> 
> I'm beginning to think that your relationship with Mozilla is similar to
> that between those married couples who do nothing but argue and nit pick
> each other, but love every minute of it. Except in this case the
> relationship is one way... you're the Log Lady and Mozilla is the log.
> 
> ian.

With the exception of Moz/N6's ability use multiple email addresses in
the same profile, Communicator works far better in email and news. The
layout and the threading is far better. and the inclusion of Location
bar in two pane mode (so you don't have to use that %^&$, third pane
which use valuable screen real estate on small monitors.; in
Communicator - just looking at it reminds be of IE). 

Now i am talking about email/News not Web Browser. The web browser is
not what impresses me. One web browser is as good as the next. The only
web Browsing I do is to dowload software updates a Text based web
browser  could do that.

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Re: sorry wrong address

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Now that loads fast 2 seconds or less.

Lancer wrote:
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/charadew/index.html
> 
> Lancer wrote:
> > hi, i am trying to open this new portal, i d like you to take a look and
> > let me know what you think
> > http://www2.netexplora.com/LatinMOZ/
> >

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Re: Introducing new site

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

If they are no larger than that does sound like server.

Lancer wrote:
> 
> May be is because the server, i'll look for new one. The images are
> doesnt large than 10k.
> Lancer wrote:
> > hi, i am trying to open this new portal, i d like you to take a look and
> > let me know what you think
> > http://www2.netexplora.com/LatinMOZ/
> >

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Re: Netscape problem with XP

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Bundy wrote:

---snip---

> I thought Netscape was born from Mosiac, the first internet browser. I
> remember when Mosiac was all you had for graphical internet.
> 
> --
> Kyle

Yes, the Name Mozilla (MO) was taken from Mosiac. 
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Re: Netscape problem with XP

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Bundy wrote:
> 
> "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Your correct about the WWW. But I was commenting the Comment about the
> > "internet" hasn't existed that long. So depending upon what we were
> > answering Your right and I am too. My first, experience with web pages
> > was with Netscape Naviagtor 3.0.1a. And I have used every version of
> > netscape Navigator/Communicator up to and including 4.7.9.
> 
> You still a newbie then?? lol... just kidding
> 
> I used the original Mosiac, Netscape 1, then Netscape 2 (remember Netscape
> Gold? and having to PAY for it?), then Netscape 3.x... then something
> happened. Microsoft started to make browsers, bad ones at first, then better
> ones and would give out for free, forcing Netscape to give theirs away for
> free also. Over time, MS extorted software and PC makers into not putting
> Netscape on their computers and forcing them to use IE has their default.
> 
> The rest is history.
> 
> --Kyle

I remember buying and using, Netscape 3.01, 3.0.1,, 3.0.4, 3.0.4a Gold.

We didn't have an ISP of any type in our area, before Netscape 3.0.1. My
ISP at the time installed a trial version of 3.0.1 I had to purchase it
and was hooked every since.

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Re: Netscape problem with XP

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Okay. Your Correct. 

Magnus W wrote:
> 
> "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
> > Your correct about the WWW. But I was commenting the Comment about the
> > "internet" hasn't existed that long.
> 
> That has not been said in this thread.
> 
> Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> >
> > Bob Lathe wrote:
> > > I have used Netscape for 15 years.
> >
> > Uhm... the World Wide Web didn't even exist 15 years ago!

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Re: Netscape problem with XP

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Your correct about the WWW. But I was commenting the Comment about the
"internet" hasn't existed that long. So depending upon what we were
answering Your right and I am too. My first, experience with web pages
was with Netscape Naviagtor 3.0.1a. And I have used every version of
netscape Navigator/Communicator up to and including 4.7.9.

Sören Kuklau wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> > Actually the dept of defense created what we know as the internet, in
> > the 60's.
> 
> Yes, as the "ARPAnet". But the topic here is not the Internet nor the
> ARPAnet, but the World Wide Web, which is a _part_ of the Internet. This
> part was developed in the late 80's and early 90's. So Jonas is right.
> 
> > Up to the advent of 2400baud modems about 90'  Mostly the Government and
> > and College and Universities, used the internet exclusively.
> 
> You forgot the military.
> 
> > Netscape was started in about 92/93'.
> 
> Yup. Out of MCOM (Mozilla Communications).
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Sören Kuklau ('Chucker')
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Netscape problem with XP

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Actually the dept of defense created what we know as the internet, in
the 60's.

Up to the advent of 2400baud modems about 90'  Mostly the Government and
and College and Universities, used the internet exclusively.

Netscape was started in about 92/93'.

Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> 
> Bob Lathe wrote:
> > I have used Netscape for 15 years.
> 
> Uhm... the World Wide Web didn't even exist 15 years ago!
> 
> > My problem is that it will not auto connect to the server. In other
> > words when I open netscape it does not even try to dial up However
> > it does with Explorer even though Netscape is the default!! Is this a BG
> > special???
> 
> See the thread "Dial Up" from two days ago in
> netscape.public.mozilla.browser.
> 
> --
> Hvis svaret er Anders Fogh så er spørgsmålet dumt.

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Re: Default paper size

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Try quiting Moz/N6/ Communicator/whatever then going to printer setup
from Control Panels (I believe I'm right on this been a while since I
looked at PC side of things.) go to printer Setup and try setting to A4 there.

That should make it systemwide.  Then go back to
Moz/N6/Communicator/Whatever and see what is set.

Report back with results.

Parish wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
>  > I don't know about PC/UNIX side of things but, Page size (Print) Mac is
>  > the responsibility of the print Driver/Chooser file for the printer.
>  > Communicator/Moz/Netscape 6 add specific items; but page size is not the
>  > browser's part.  The browser typically  sets: Header and footer items
>  > whether they print left, right, Center. Whether backgrounds are printed.
>  > And whether "fit to page", is turned on or off. Nothing else.
>  >
>  > Page size is detremined between the Printer, Print driver and the
> Computer.
>  >
> 
> Hmmm, Moz appears to be "interfering" with that on Windows (W2K at least).
> 
> I just printed out this message, File->Print, then clicked the
> Properties button next to the printer list drop-down, then, on the next
> dialogue (the layout may vary here depending on your printer - mine's an
> HP 610C), clicked Advanced on the Layout tab and the paper size was
> Letter. I changed it to A4, printed the message, then did File->Print
> again, checked the properties and the paper size had reverted to Letter.
> 
> I found a pref, print.use_global_printsettings, which is set to "false".
> I tried changing that to "true" (and restarting Moz) but it made no
> difference.
> 
>  > On modern USB HP Printers when runing the Driver file(s) The installer
>  > ask whether to set A4 or 8-1/2 x11 as default setup. (at least the
>  > installer for the 990cse Does).
>  >
>  > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Hello,
>  >>
>  >> is there a way to set the default paper size to a4? Mozilla doesn't
>  >> remember a thing about the paper size.
>  >>
>  >> Thanx
>  >>
>  >> Christoph
>  >
>  >
> 
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> 
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Re: Default paper size

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

I don't know about PC/UNIX side of things but, Page size (Print) Mac is
the responsibility of the print Driver/Chooser file for the printer. 
Communicator/Moz/Netscape 6 add specific items; but page size is not the
browser's part.  The browser typically  sets: Header and footer items
whether they print left, right, Center. Whether backgrounds are printed.
And whether "fit to page", is turned on or off. Nothing else.

Page size is detremined between the Printer, Print driver and the Computer.

On modern USB HP Printers when runing the Driver file(s) The installer
ask whether to set A4 or 8-1/2 x11 as default setup. (at least the
installer for the 990cse Does).

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> is there a way to set the default paper size to a4? Mozilla doesn't
> remember a thing about the paper size.
> 
> Thanx
> 
> Christoph

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Re: Talkback.exe taking 100% of CPU?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

The Company is called FullCircle that does Talkback.

Travis Crump wrote:
> 
> I reported a bug on this once and was told that talkback is a tool that
> isn't being developed by Mozilla so this will never be fixed.
> 
> David Gerard wrote:
> > When talkback.exe is trying to send a talkback, it takes 100% of the CPU
> > all the time it's trying to communicate with the server. Should it be doing
> > this?
> >
> > Also, I'm having trouble contacting the talkback servers again. Where is
> > the data stored? Is there some way to email it in?
> >
> >
> >

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Re: Anchor tags in NS 4

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

The reply was meant for any to read who are post Communicator questions
on Moz newsgroup.

IF I offended you by posting in wrong portion of the thread my
appologies. :-(

Ric Gates wrote:
> 
> So why are you replying to me, I didn't start the thread.
> Reply to the one that started the thread, as there is nothing wrong with my reply.
> 
> "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." wrote:
> 
> > Please go to :
> > <news://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.macintosh> for Mac Communicator
> > general Questions
> > <news://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator> for windows
> > Communicator General Questions
> > <news://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator.unix> for Unix
> > Communicator General Questions
> > <news://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.test.multimedia> for Communicator
> > Questions related to creation of HTML wepages and html in email.
> >
> > (Caution up to this point many of the tricks and techniques make use of
> > ebedded sound and Javascript Layer tags, which (Layer tags) are
> > considered more evil than ActiveX, or the devil himself in the Moz newsgroups.)
> >
> > This group is meant for answering questions concerning Mozilla. The 110%
> > W3C standards compliant replacement for Netscape Communicator and
> > Internet Explorer.
> >
> > Ric Gates wrote:
> > >
> > > Rich wrote:
> > >
> > > > Adrienne wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Bozman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Siôn" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Can anyone tell me if NS 4 supports Anchors (see example code @ bottom
> > > > > >> of page) and if not is there an alterntive
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Example code:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> Anchor test
> > > > > >>   
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > put the complete url here .
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> http://all the url/and page.html#test">link to anchor
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >>   
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > AFAIK there is no need to put the complete URL, especially if the anchor is
> > > > > on the same page.
> > > > >
> > > > > bla bla bla
> > > > >
> > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > > Top of page
> > > > >
> > > > > The only time you would need an absolute reference is if the anchor is on
> > > > > another site.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Adrienne Boswell
> > > > > find me on http://www.nextblock.com - keyword arbpen
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > What you have in the example above
> > > > > >>   
> > > > is called an "empty anchor".  There is no text or anything else
> > > > from the page between the  part and the  part.
> > > > Insert text from the page, that should appear at the top of screen.
> > > > This is explained somewhere on the Netscape help site.
> > > >
> > > > Empty anchors are tricky, they usually work on the same page, but
> > > > depends on which version you are using.  Sometimes they come up a
> > > > couple of lines off where you want.  If you are linking to an anchor
> > > > on another page, empty anchors have even a less chance to work right.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.  rich
> > >
> > > The problem is most likely the spaces, which are illegal in URLs.
> > > If you really MUST use spaces (and I really don't understand why), you must use
> > > %20 as any extended character must be escaped.
> > > I now use   notice the space, but the only browser that has
> > > given me an error about an empty anchor is Mosaic.
> > >
> > > --
> > > | Later.
> > > | Ric.
> > > |
> >
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> >
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > <http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm>
> > <http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm>
> > <http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm>
> > <http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm>
> 
> --
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> | Ric.
> |

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Re: browser statistics - mozilla 10%!

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Flo Ledermann wrote:

cut
> (i'm not sure, but i guess netscape 6.x is counted as netscape)
> 
> of course these are all people in the academic system, and not
> representative for the general public. (although probably the kind of
> people most of the readers of this ng are surrounded with)
-cut--

I believe that its more likely they are talking about Communicator not Netscape6.

After being burned by the so called First final version of 6 which
should have been at least a PR1 and really should have been a Alpha 1
version. I doubt seriously whether Netscape6 leaves fond memories.

I surf several USENET newsgroups, and from what I've been reading; they
are going back to Communicator, because of the many features turned off
or missing in Netscape 6, the slow operation starting up, and many  web
pages because they don't comply to W3C standards don't do well. There
several post a day on how to get there addressbook and bookmarks back so
that they can go back to Communicator.

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Re: Anchor tags in NS 4

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Please go to :
 for Mac Communicator
general Questions
 for windows
Communicator General Questions
 for Unix
Communicator General Questions
 for Communicator
Questions related to creation of HTML wepages and html in email. 

(Caution up to this point many of the tricks and techniques make use of
ebedded sound and Javascript Layer tags, which (Layer tags) are
considered more evil than ActiveX, or the devil himself in the Moz newsgroups.)

This group is meant for answering questions concerning Mozilla. The 110%
W3C standards compliant replacement for Netscape Communicator and
Internet Explorer.

Ric Gates wrote:
> 
> Rich wrote:
> 
> > Adrienne wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard Bozman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > >
> > > > "Siôn" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Can anyone tell me if NS 4 supports Anchors (see example code @ bottom
> > > >> of page) and if not is there an alterntive
> > > >>
> > > >> Example code:
> > > >>
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> Anchor test
> > > >>   
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > put the complete url here .
> > > >
> > > >> http://all the url/and page.html#test">link to anchor
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >>   
> > > >
> > >
> > > AFAIK there is no need to put the complete URL, especially if the anchor is
> > > on the same page.
> > >
> > > bla bla bla
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > Top of page
> > >
> > > The only time you would need an absolute reference is if the anchor is on
> > > another site.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Adrienne Boswell
> > > find me on http://www.nextblock.com - keyword arbpen
> > 
> >
> > What you have in the example above
> > > >>   
> > is called an "empty anchor".  There is no text or anything else
> > from the page between the  part and the  part.
> > Insert text from the page, that should appear at the top of screen.
> > This is explained somewhere on the Netscape help site.
> >
> > Empty anchors are tricky, they usually work on the same page, but
> > depends on which version you are using.  Sometimes they come up a
> > couple of lines off where you want.  If you are linking to an anchor
> > on another page, empty anchors have even a less chance to work right.
> >
> > Hope this helps.  rich
> 
> The problem is most likely the spaces, which are illegal in URLs.
> If you really MUST use spaces (and I really don't understand why), you must use
> %20 as any extended character must be escaped.
> I now use   notice the space, but the only browser that has
> given me an error about an empty anchor is Mosaic.
> 
> --
> | Later.
> | Ric.
> |

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Re: OH... MY... GOD...! (was: Re: Riddle - Why does Netscape still exist? Answer - So AOL can sue Microsoft.)

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Chuck Simmons wrote:
> 
> JTK wrote:
> >
> > Anonymous wrote:
> > > Business 2.0's Erick Shonfeld (better known as "Future Boy") has
> > > posted a story nailing AOL Time Warner - the parent company of his
> > > employer - as only keeping Netscape alive so they could file a lawsuit
> > > against Microsoft.  Here is a link to check it out:
> > > http://www.business2.com/articles/web/0,1653,37401,FF.html
> > >
> >
> > HOLY MOTHER OF GOD:
> >
> > "If nothing else, AOL's suit only serves as an ugly reminder of the $10
> > billion it poured down the drain when it bought Netscape back in 1999."
> >
> > TEN ***BILLION***!?!?!?!?!??!?!  AMERICAN DOLLARS?!??!?!?!  CAN THAT
> > ***POSSIBLY*** BE CORRECT?!?!??!?!?!!  GREAT CAESAR'S GHOST, TALK ABOUT
> > BEING TAKEN TO THE CLEANERS!!
> >
> > Mr. Case: "Hello there shopkeep!  I'd like to purchase this empty
> > candybar wrapper from you.  How much would you be willing to part with
> > it for?"
> > Shopkeep: "Price is on the wrapper there, $100,000."
> > Mr. Case: "It's a deal!  Can you break a $1,000,000?"
> >
> > Of.
> 
> I don't remember the price but the revenue sources at Netscape,
> Netcenter and what is now iPlanet, were indeed worth a lot and were the
> prime goals of the purchase. The direct browser revenue was zero at the
> time so it was probably not a major factor in the price. This was
> particularly true since control of the open source browser project was,
> by no means assured.
> 
> You're not at all good at identifying business motives and recognizing
> business values. You also seem to lack all knowledge of the history of
> the transaction.
> 
> Chuck
> --
> ... The times have been,
>  That, when the brains were out,
>   the man would die. ... Macbeth
>Chuck Simmons  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I understand that it was a 50-50 split down the middle buyout by SUN
Micro Systems and AOL.

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Re: Mozilla "hover tips" bug PS:

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

DeMoN LaG wrote:
> 
> Jason Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 31 Jan 2002:
> 
> > Not able to cut it, eh?  Take a peek at
> > http://www.bosrup.com/web/overlib/ No problem whatsoever.  Just
> > uses a newer version of the same script that actually complies with
> > W3C standards. http://tc.aivia.net uses a similar but dumbed-down
> > script about 1KB in size.
> >
> 
> He's never going to go to that link.  And if he does accidently click
> it, then the reason is that script was written by the AOL/Maozilla
> Politburo and the followers of Stalin in an attempt to take over the
> internet in the name of communism, or similar.  It does seem like a cool
> script though, I think I may put it to use.  Thanks for the link!
> 
> --
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> AIM: FlyersR1 9
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> _ = m
 Oh! since its javascript if you have Javascript turned off it won't
work  will it?
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Re: Mozilla "hover tips" bug

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

DeMoN LaG wrote:
> 
> Jason Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 31 Jan 2002:
> 
> > Not able to cut it, eh?  Take a peek at
> > http://www.bosrup.com/web/overlib/ No problem whatsoever.  Just
> > uses a newer version of the same script that actually complies with
> > W3C standards. http://tc.aivia.net uses a similar but dumbed-down
> > script about 1KB in size.
> >
> 
> He's never going to go to that link.  And if he does accidently click
> it, then the reason is that script was written by the AOL/Maozilla
> Politburo and the followers of Stalin in an attempt to take over the
> internet in the name of communism, or similar.  It does seem like a cool
> script though, I think I may put it to use.  Thanks for the link!
> 
> --
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> AIM: FlyersR1 9
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's actually a neat trick even works with Communicator 4.7.9 on a
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Re: Re-writing the page, cache, 304, invalid . . .

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Just for people wanting to switch over. what is a W3C sanctioned
replacement that does the same thing as Layer? can you use the same code
just subsitute the new call for the layer tags?

Jason Johnston wrote:
> 
> Whoa, whoa!  The old Netscape 4.x document.layers DOM is not supported
> by Mozilla or Netscape 6, never has and never will be.  You must use the
> W3C DOM (http://www.w3.org/DOM/) instead.  See
> http://developer.netscape.com/evangelism/docs/articles/updating-dhtml-web-pages/
> for a good introduction.
> 
> Sean wrote:
> > Ok,
> >
> > Now let's try it with a layer and see if it still works!
> >
> > I get no errors from the concole and no output to the screen
> > in Mozilla, but again this is ok in Netscape 4.7x.
> >
> > If I'm doing something stupid please point it out!
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > 
> >  
> >   Layer Test
> >   
> >
> >   docText = '';
> >   var CR = String.fromCharCode( 13 );
> >   var depth = 0;
> >   var docText = '
Menu
' + CR;
> >
> >   function Node( name, data, url, pRef ) {
> >
> > this.name = name;
> > this.data = data;
> > this.url = url;
> > this.pRef = pRef;
> > this.kids = new Array();
> > this.add = addKid;
> > this.paint = paintNode;
> > this.toggle = toggleNode;
> > this.dump = dumpNode;
> >
> >   };
> >
> >   function addKid( p, k ) {
> >
> > var subscripts = new Array();
> > subscripts = p.split( ',' );
> > pRef = 'menu';
> > for ( var i in subscripts ) {
> >   if ( subscripts[ i ] !='' ) {
> > pRef = pRef + '.kids[' + eval( subscripts[ i ] ) + ']';
> >   };
> > };
> > pRef = pRef + '.kids';
> > kids = eval( pRef );
> > var temp = new Array( ( kids.length + 1 ) );
> > if ( kids.length > 0 ) {
> >   for ( var i in kids ) {
> > temp[ i ] = kids[ i ];
> >   };
> > };
> > temp[ kids.length ] = new Node( k, 1, k + '.html', pRef + '[' +
> > kids.length + ']' );
> > eval( pRef + ' = temp' );
> > eval( k + ' = kids.length' );
> >
> >   };
> >
> >   function paintNode() {
> > docText = docText + '
';
> > if ( depth > 0 ) {
> >   for ( i = 0; i < depth; i++ ) {
> > docText = docText + '  ';
> >   };
> > };
> >
> > if ( this.kids.length != 0 ) {
> >   docText = docText +  '' + this.name + '' + CR;
> > } else {
> >   docText = docText +  '' + this.name +
> > '' + CR;
> > };
> >
> > if ( this.data > 0 ) {
> >   depth = depth + 1;
> >   for ( i in this.kids ) {
> > this.kids[ i ].paint();
> >   };
> >   depth = depth - 1;
> > };
> >   };
> >
> >   function toggleNode() {
> > this.data = ( ( this.data + 1 ) % 2 );
> >   };
> >
> >   function dumpNode() {
> > alert( 'name: ' + this.name + ' data: ' + this.data + ' url: ' +
> > this.url + ' kids: ' + this.kids.length );
> > for ( i in this.kids ) {
> >   this.kids[ i ].dump();
> > };
> >   };
> >
> >   // build the menu
> >   menu = new Node( 'root', 1 , 'root' );
> >   menu.add( '', 'Evaluation' );
> >   menu.add( 'Evaluation', 'History' );
> >   menu.add( 'Evaluation', 'Physical' );
> >   menu.add( 'Evaluation', 'Laboratory' );
> >   menu.add( 'Evaluation', 'Imaging' );
> >   menu.add( 'Evaluation,Imaging', 'Radiology' );
> >   menu.add( 'Evaluation,Imaging', 'Ultrasound' );
> >   menu.add( 'Evaluation,Imaging', 'CT' );
> >   menu.add( 'Evaluation,Imaging', 'MRI' );
> >   menu.add( 'Evaluation,Imaging', 'Angiography' );
> >   menu.add( '', "Therapy" );
> >
> >   function rePaint() {
> >
> > docText = '';
> > // paint the menu
> > for ( i in menu.kids ) {
> >   menu.kids[ i ].paint();
> > };
> >
> > if ( navigator.appName == "Netscape" ) {
> >
> >   // write the page to the frame
> >   with ( document.xmenu.document ) {
> > close();
> > open( "text/html", "replace" );
> > writeln( docText );
> > close();
> >   };
> > };
> > if ( navigator.appName == "Microsoft Internet Explorer" ) {
> >   xmenu.innerHTML = docText;
> > };
> >   };
> >
> >   
> >  
> >  
> >   
> >
> >if ( navigator.appName == "Netscape" ) {
> >  document.write( ' > BGCOLOR=white>' );
> >};
> >
> >if ( navigator.appName == "Microsoft Internet Explorer" ) {
> >  document.write( '
');
> >};
> >
> >   
> >
> >  
> > 
> >

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Re: a small question

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Sören Kuklau wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> > can't use a green dino. A company that makes a plugin for Communicator
> > called MacZilla has rights to a Green Dino.
> 
> You can't copyright such simple stuff. I can't copyright the letter 'S'
> or a pink dog either, hmm?
> 
> --
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> Sören Kuklau ('Chucker')
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Well thought it was just said that the red Dino was copyrighted
(registered trademark then) of Mozilla?
I was just saying a Green Dino can't be used because its part of a
company called MacZilla which makes a audio plugin for Communicator. 
Sorry if I misspoke this registered and copyrighted deal takes a
Philadelphia Lawyer to figure out. 

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<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm>
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Re: a small question

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Sören Kuklau wrote:
--snip
> 
> I'm pretty sure that trademark is not valid. There is that trademark
> with the emoticon (was it ";-)"?) which iirc wasn't valid either. And
> then there's the "Deutsche Telekom" (German Telecom, our former
> monopolist telecom company) who tried to trademark both magenta (yes,
> the color. they use it all over their subsidiaries) and 'T' (big 'T'
> letter, same reason), and iirc failed too.
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Sören Kuklau ('Chucker')
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I suppose its because all the item you site are in what is called "the
public Domain"  meaning they have existed so long that its not unique
and therefore can not be Copyrighted or registered. ???
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Re: a small question

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Travis Crump wrote:
> 
> There isn't much explanation at that link so I could be wrong, but I am
> sure that Intel just has a representation of 'I' trademarked(or else why
> would they be applying for another patent on the letter 'I'?).  A lot of
> companies do this and it doesn't mean that I can't start a computer
> company and have my logo being a stylized I and trademark, it just can't
> look identical to Intel's.  Likewise, MacZilla doesn't have a trademark
> on every green dinosaur, they merely have a trademark on their specific
> representaion of a green dinosaur.
---snip-
well said. What i was trying to say about MacZilla's Dino but didn't
word correctly.
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Re: a small question

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

can't use a green dino. A company that makes a plugin for Communicator
called MacZilla has rights to a Green Dino.

Jonathan Wilson wrote:
> 
>  From what I have read, mozilla.org owns the trademark on the red dino
> head and thats why its not being used as an icon for mozilla.
> 
> My question then is:
> What is wrong with using these icons?
> http://www.grayrest.com/moz/icons.html
> (asside from the red dino head one of course)
> Is there any particular reason why these ones cant be used?
> It sounds like a good solution:
> 1.none of the icons use anything even remotly "communist"...
> 2.Given that the icons and imagery was specificly created for the
> mozilla project, there wouldnt be any licencing/copyright issues would
> there (unlike where mozilla.org needs to protect its copyright and
> trademark on the red dino head)

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Re: plugins

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Actual setting of plugins hasn't been turned on yet. (At least on Mac
Platform, not sure if it has been on PC/Unix either.) (Also not sure if
it will be.)

"Henry@VIC" wrote:
> 
> I have only recently upgraded my NS4.7 to 6.2. While NS4.7 is still
> remain installed on my PC, NS6.2 is having some problem opening special
> links ( ie. video, audio... stuff that needs plugins). All I get is a
> page of garbage text.
> 
> When I check the NS6.2 setting in Preference-Navigator-Helper
> Applications-File Types, the only entry is "text/html". But if I look
> under Help-About Plug-ins, I see all the installed plug-ins are pointing
>   to the old NS4.7 Plugins folder. How do I transfer all those "file
> types" and "mime types" settings from my NS4.7 over to new NS6.2? Is it
> possible? How?
> 
> Thx
> Henry

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Re: Problems sending images in email inline with Netscape.

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Travis Crump wrote:
> 
> grayrest wrote:
> 
> > It probably happened in the installation process, I know that mozilla
> > doesn't do that when it installs, but anyway. (assuming you're in windows)
> 
> Mozilla probably did take it during installation and it should in my
> opinion.  In my experience, most people don't really have a good program
> for displaying jpegs on Windows except for Photoshop which is overkill
> if you just want to view it and IE.   So either jpeg is unassociated
> when Mozilla installs in which case it should take it since it can
> handle it, or else it is associated with IE in which case when you make
> Mozilla the default browser it should take all the file types currently
> handled by IE or another browser that it can handle.

What about Photoshop LE (Lite) (wasn't its name changed to Adode AfterEffects)

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Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?

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Rob Allen wrote:
--snip
 
> I was responding generically to the question about the amount of bytes
> used in an email/news message, rather than the specifics of Moz
> development. However, even there, I do get bugzilla reports as email
> when I connect via my mobile (i.e. out of office) and I'm glad that each
> one doesn't include a large pretty picture of a bug !
> 
> --
> Rob Allen

I find that most of the html email I get does not include images, or
sound. just formatted text.
Don't get me wrong I get my share of Spam which I promptly report to
spamcop.net. But a lot of Spam I receive is not html based, it text based.



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Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?

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Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> 
> Christian Biesinger wrote:
> 
> >> How is DSL & Broadband setup overseas?
> >
> > Here (Austria/Europe), you have (for DSL) basically two options: You can
> > either pay a lower monthly fee and are limited to 1 GB of data transfer,
> > or you pay more and get an unlimited transfer.
> 
> In Denmark, you normally pay a montly fee and get unlimited transfer.
> Speed is in the range from 128 to 2048 kbbs. It's also possible to pay
> per megabyte instead.
> 
> I have a 512 down/128 up ADSL connection which costs me (which costs my
> employer, actually) 450 DKK per month. That's somewhere around 50 USD, I
> think.
> 
> --
> /Jonas
> 'Open Systems' means no fences. And no fences means no use for Gates.
> - Sun Microsystems

I pay $74.95 american. But that includes the service plus the DSL Phone
line belongs to my ISP. He pays the phonebill.
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Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Christian Biesinger wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> > How is DSL & Broadband setup overseas?
> 
> Here (Austria/Europe), you have (for DSL) basically two options: You can
> either pay a lower monthly fee and are limited to 1 GB of data transfer,
> or you pay more and get an unlimited transfer.
> 
> Cable is cheaper and basically unlimited ("fair use"), but not available
> everywhere.
> 
> (Speed is, in both cases, 512 kbit/s download and 64 kbit/s upload)
> 
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>   -- Benjamin Franklin

My DSL because its at very end of the limit for DSL service availability
is 384K download or upload. (The 17,000 ft Plus limit for the Line)

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Re: #1 Mozilla Problem

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Sören Kuklau wrote:

-snip-

> Apparently, you're missing that Mozilla is not an end-user browser. So
> logically, market share of Mozilla itself is nice, but doesn't matter.
> What does matter is market share of mozilla-based products like
> K-Meleon, Galeon and Netscape.
> 
> Regards,
> Sören Kuklau
> 
> --
> This post written in MozillaNews by Sören Kuklau (Chucker). E-mail me at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Yes but what does it tell when Netscape and the others are based on
older builds, which have more bugs, and less features turned on. Except
for Spell Checker for Mail and news AIM (Instant messenger) Netscape 6
is a far more deficent product.
  ^
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Re: Here is what Mozilla needs PERIOD.

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> 
> psmith wrote:
> 
>  > And neither is the History feature which loses its sort
> > order every time it is closed.
> 
> http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91417, targeted at Mozilla
> 1.0.1. Whining about bugs in newsgroups doesn't get them fixed earlier.
> 
> --
> 'Open Systems' means no fences. And no fences means no use for Gates.
> - Sun Microsystems

True. But you'd think that the person that created the code if he/she
were reading here would look into it if they go more than two
complaints. (Just wondering.)

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