Re: [MLO] Folder vs Project vs Parent Task

[Jeff Smith]

I go with parent task first (which I'd mark as folder if it's not something
that gets completed). The reason for marking some as projects is helpful if
you start wanting to think of certain parent tasks as projects and filter
them or consider what percent they are done.

It is too bad about taking so long to post here, I wish there wasn't
spammers that have to be weeded out constantly from old mailing lists, and
I assume that's why it needs moderating.

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:25 AM Darryl Brooks  wrote:

> I read a thread on this that was several years old with some good info in
> it. Since I am just starting out, I wanted to get this discussion going
> again to see how others are utilizing these different components.
>
> In most, if not all, of the other task managers I have used, you had only
> one of these; usually project or parent task. So you used what you had for
> everything. I am hoping, if I use MLO, to start with a structure I can grow
> with. I know I can change things as I go along, but I also know that I have
> a tendency to build on the foundation I put in place.
>
> In addition to how you use these differently, I would like some
> perspective on the best way to start entering tasks toward this
> differentiation. Dump everything in the inbox and sort it out as I go or
> build a structure of folders/projects/ task-subtasks from the start.
>
> I tend to have more recurring tasks than anything else, but they can all
> be grouped in different ways. One thing I have always put in a project in
> other systems is called Housework, which contains a long list of recurring
> tasks with different periods. But since this 'project' is (unfortunately)
> never complete, should it be a folder or parent task.
>
> All input appreciated.
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Re: [MLO] Re: Bug: Complete tasks in order does not show in to-do list!

[Jeff Smith]

I thought of it as normal behavior by design (bad design) but I see how it
might be fixed.
To recreate:

Create at least two subtasks and in the parent task require them to be
completed in order.

ToDo flat list should only present the first task. If you complete it then
the second task would appear in ToDo, but first make the first task
reoccurring such as daily.

Check the first (recurring) task as complete in ToDo but instead of the
second task appearing the next occurence of the first task is there.

Programmaticly this creates an endless loop so you will always have the
first not completed and will never see the second task appear in ToDo.


I have v 2.5 so tell me if this isn't true anymore, but if I choose
recurrence option "Regenerate new task 1 day(s) after each task is
compete", it regenerates the task immediately and sets due date 1 day
later. This is either saying the wrong words, or not following it's own
instructions.

If it would truly have the future task not exist yet but be created
actually the next day after it was marked complete instead of immediately,
then it would solve both that an the other problem I have where I get the
regenerated task be due two days ago just because I was two days late
marking it complete. This really should not be creating a new task until
the day it would be due, according to those words that it says in clear
English.


On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 07:46 Alyona (MLO Support) 
wrote:

> We could not replicate the issue. Can you provide a video of the bug? You
> may use this tool: https://screencast-o-matic.com/
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 9:23:05 AM UTC+3, Grant wrote:
>>
>> I would like to re-confirm, that after 10 years, this bug still exists.
>> I see it as a pretty significant one, given that a ordered list of
>> re-occuring tasks, will not turn up in your active todo list after the
>> first one is done!
>>
>> On Friday, March 7, 2008 at 7:50:32 PM UTC+1, JuddMuir wrote:
>>>
>>> As a follow-up to the above, in fact it's a bug with recurring
>>> subtasks that are to be completed in order.
>>>
>>> You complete the first task, it resets to the following day, and
>>> subsequent tasks with today's date get blocked.
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Re: [MLO] Re: Permissions and Cloud sync problems/errors

[Jeff Smith]

See this looks like the problem of not being well written for modern
Windows systems, but I really want MLO to be the best.
It shouldn't try to save data in Programs folder, and we don't even back up
things there because data doesn't belong.
I still like saving .ml files under Users and if there is data not being
accessed by other apps they should be under AppData.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:09 AM Teek Bikos  wrote:

> So, it first tried to save the file in the MLO folder under Programs(x86).
> Said I didn't have permission there, and if I wanted to save it under the
> User (i.e. Teek)?  I said yes, and saved it in a new folder I named
> mylifeorganized data files, under the user Teek-Documents, as you said.
> Now, it does pull this one up now (it didn't before), but it still shows
> error that can't write to temp file, but still syncs???  I sent all logs,
> etc. to support, which I'm guessing is you :)
>
> And yes, I installed the normal way
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Re: [MLO] Re: Make forum instead of Google Group

[Jeff Smith]

Yes it's amazed me how useful v2 has still been. I'm running mostly on
Windows 7.

I admit there has been some important features though since then but more
that I've always needed that still is waiting.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 00:11 Joel  wrote:

> imajeff, are you still using version 2? Just curious.
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 6:43:57 PM UTC-4, imajeff wrote:
>>
>> Sir you said "advantages over forums", then you listed only things that
>> are also true about modern forums.
>>
>> Now you say it would split us to make the forum. How many active users do
>> you think there are here? If we got half, say 3 users moving to the forum,
>> that would be insignificant compared to the 100s that are only not here
>> because you are limited to a mailing list. Well they might be not buying
>> new MLO for the same reason as me, it's just not updating enough to the
>> current way we use Internet. Need to change so we can use it again! Well my
>> MLO 2.0.0 still works fine. I was here back when Windows PDA were all the
>> buzz, and they had not released 2.0.0 yet so it's not like I don't know
>> what I'm talking about here.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 11:51:54 AM UTC-6, Christoph wrote:
>>>
>>> First you need to convince the users of this forum that it's really
>>> worthwhile to switch. Not everybody likes forums. Google groups have
>>> many advantages over forums, e.g. they are free, reliable,
>>> well-archived, you can subscribe via mail, using them like a mailing
>>> list. Personally I only use forums that I can subscribe to via mail or
>>> RSS feed. Of course you can create an additional forum, but then the
>>> community would be split which is also not so helpful.
>>>
>>> -- Christoph
>>>
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Re: [MLO] So when did posts on here start going through a process of being approved by review first?

[Jeff Smith]

Good statement. Where's that like button

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 16:35 SRhyse  wrote:

> There have been various forms of moderation for a long time around here.
> If you’re worried about them potentially censoring people saying bad
> things, I wouldn’t. You can read through and find complaints about MLO
> around here, some of which I’ve replied to in the past. This is a
> productivity app, so there’s not much to censor. I’m pretty sure it’s
> mostly them making sure people aren’t flooding this forum with spam, which
> tends to be how most productivity forums end if they’re not moderated.
>
> That most people around here are pretty positive is a reflection of
> everyone being nice and such, not them censoring out negativity.
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Re: [MLO] Can we LOCK a node or folder?

[Jeff Smith]

Don't you have backups?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 02:15 Yodee  wrote:

> Is it possible to lock a certain node or folder so the tree underneath
> doesn't get deleted?
>
> If not, please consider adding this as a feature.  I recently discovered
> having deleted a whole tree of 4 levels deep without having a chance to
> recover it now.
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Re: [MLO] Linux Support

[Jeff Smith]

Oh yes, I remember when he released a Linux version. It wasn't loaded with
all the features. I think I remember agreeing that it would spread
resources too thin so he put focus back into making the Android version and
better features on Windows.

Now I wonder how the win version works in wine on Linux

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 12:56  wrote:

> Hello,
> I use MLO on a windows workstation as well as on my Android phone and have
> pro versions of both.
> I have been transitioning to a Linux workstation and am wondering when MLO
> will have a windows version available ?
> There are appimages for both ToDoist and Wunderlist, though the Wunderlist
> app leaves much to be desired, and the ToDoist app is an electron app
> around a simple web-wrapper which is surprisingly resource intensive.
>
> Is there any chance of a simple web-wrapper for MLO for linux that might
> eventually become a full blown linux app ? There is no non-web based todo
> list apps for linux so this is a great opportunity for MLO.
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Re: [MLO] Re: Is one Android license included with Pro for Win?

[Jeff Smith]

Thanks to both Darryl and Alyona,
The confusion was that you can install one licence on up to 5
desktop/laptops. It doesn't include a phone because Android or iPhone are
in themselves standalone products. So I can understand the 24.95 extra
price for Android.

I will have to buy both and hope wifi-sync works. What I need is not the
whole standalone Android phone app but something simple that just syncs
with home-base so I can do minimal things on the fly like view tasks, add
to inbox, and check off one as I complete it. It would be ridiculous to
expect to do everything on my phone and not have a desktop for heavy work.
I require Pro on Windows because that's the only place practical to use
full tools and edit the whole outline. I require Android as an extension
for remote access because I cannot just pull a PC out of my pocket at the
store when I "buy beans".

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:59 PM Darryl Brooks  wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that is not the case, but there is a free Android version.
> The pro version is, I think, $25.
>
> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 5:01:50 PM UTC-4, imajeff wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure someone said if I buy Pro that it would include license for MLO
>> on my Android phone also.
>> I cannot find it mentioned on the site so is it possible?
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Re: [MLO] Re: Is one Android license included with Pro for Win?

[Jeff Smith]

True if it's not auto sync on Wi-Fi then I would get tired of trying to
remember every time. I'll have to accept that I need to keep putting more
money into it for usefulness. Thank you

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018, 23:31 Jan Thomä  wrote:

> Then again, MLO cloud sync is really quite cheap (25$ for 2 years) and
> works beautifully also when being on the road. I feed three computers and
> two mobile devices on cloud sync and it works really nice and stable. For
> your scenario I think cloud sync is the better option over WiFi-sync,
> because you don't need to constantly remember to sync up your device before
> you leave the home base. Just one less hassle to deal with.
>
> Am Fr., 27. Juli 2018 um 04:19 Uhr schrieb Jeff Smith :
>
>> Thanks to both Darryl and Alyona,
>> The confusion was that you can install one licence on up to 5
>> desktop/laptops. It doesn't include a phone because Android or iPhone are
>> in themselves standalone products. So I can understand the 24.95 extra
>> price for Android.
>>
>> I will have to buy both and hope wifi-sync works. What I need is not the
>> whole standalone Android phone app but something simple that just syncs
>> with home-base so I can do minimal things on the fly like view tasks, add
>> to inbox, and check off one as I complete it. It would be ridiculous to
>> expect to do everything on my phone and not have a desktop for heavy work.
>> I require Pro on Windows because that's the only place practical to use
>> full tools and edit the whole outline. I require Android as an extension
>> for remote access because I cannot just pull a PC out of my pocket at the
>> store when I "buy beans".
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:59 PM Darryl Brooks 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sure that is not the case, but there is a free Android
>>> version. The pro version is, I think, $25.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 5:01:50 PM UTC-4, imajeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure someone said if I buy Pro that it would include license for
>>>> MLO on my Android phone also.
>>>> I cannot find it mentioned on the site so is it possible?
>>>>
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Re: [MLO] How to enter context in the caption/title field; parsing

[Jeff Smith]

Assuming the context you have is @Home, could it be you need to type it
with no space in between

Change light bulbs @Home


On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:22 PM Justin Magaram  wrote:

> The documentation seems to indicate I can type a task like this...
>
> Change light bulbs @ Home
>
> ...and it should automatically add the Home context to my task but it
> doesn't ever work. I've tried it both in the quick entry and the outline
> view. I've tried ctrl+enter and enter. What am I missing?
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Re: [MLO] Re: How to enter context in the caption/title field; parsing

[Jeff Smith]

Sorry, I think they don't have that feature because it could get in the way
of other needs. It has to be in Rapid Task Entry

At least I found that with the space
Change bulbs @ Home

will also work but difference is the context is Home instead of @Home
and it asks to create the context first if it isn't yet.


On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 1:07 PM Justin Magaram  wrote:

> If I type "do it context @Home" or "do it @Home" in the rapid entry dialog
> it does get parsed as long as I turn on the parse option. But I want this
> parsing ability to work when I'm adding tasks to the Outline. I figured out
> how to make it work in the Outline too - must press Alt+Enter - I was doing
> Ctrl+Enter.
>
> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:22:55 PM UTC-7, Justin Magaram wrote:
>>
>> The documentation seems to indicate I can type a task like this...
>>
>> Change light bulbs @ Home
>>
>> ...and it should automatically add the Home context to my task but it
>> doesn't ever work. I've tried it both in the quick entry and the outline
>> view. I've tried ctrl+enter and enter. What am I missing?
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Re: [MLO] No web app?

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Would be good to have on HTML5, but that would be another big step since
it's complicated.

At least it is on major platforms Windows, iOS, iPhone, Android,
And in Windows I use the portable version on USB for remote use.

The Android version helps me a lot now.

On Mon, Aug 6, 2018, 00:57 Rafael  wrote:

> After testing DOZENS of task apps, finally I found MLO.
>
> But, as I can see, it doesn't have an web app.
>
> Is that right? Can I only use it, on my desktop, by installing the MLO
> application?
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Re: [MLO] Re: No web app?

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For that I just use the standalone version. Plug in USB and run it, simple
on systems at work school and library. Friend's house..

In fact if they built a web app it would probably be missing some standard
features and I wouldn't want that

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018, 08:19 Rafael  wrote:

> That's a fact!
>
> But on my job I cannot install apps, so I will be waiting for the web
> version in order to adopt MLO.
>
> Em segunda-feira, 6 de agosto de 2018 19:55:28 UTC-3, MG escreveu:
>>
>> Hi Rafael,
>>
>> Welcome to the MLO world.
>>
>> Despite some needed enhancements, MLO is the best for me due to its
>> flexibility.
>>
>> We are here to help and share what MLO has that others has not.
>>
>> BR
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Re: [MLO] How to completely disactivate reminders pop up on desktop version (computer, not mobile)

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I need that feature too. Just a local setting "Disable all reminders on
this device only" sort of thing

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018, 04:37 thomas COQUEREAU 
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> Hi,
> I love MLO but one thing annoys me a lot.
> I constantly set up little reminders with my phone from MLO mobile version
> (android).
> Then obviously these reminders are synced to my desktop version (windows
> 10) and it triggers a pop up, constantly disturbing my work (+ freezing
> windows task bar...).
> The fact is I would like these reminders to pop up on my mobile only and
> be silent on my computer. I tried to modify the default reminder action on
> my computer (pointing towards a blank file for instance), but if the
> reminder is set from mobile, then it's the regular pop up reminder that
> will be set on desktop.
> It annoys me a lot and maybe there is a registry hack or something off the
> books that I could implement to purely disactivate pop up reminders on
> desktop, while keeping them on mobile.
> Any hint / solution would be highly appreciated.
>
> Thank you very much for your help and time,
>
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Re: [MLO] MyLifeOrganized for Windows 5.0 is out now!

[Jeff Smith]

Will you fix so the website doesn't still say current version is 4.4.8?

A bunch of problems were reported when it was available for testing (was it
beta or alpha) but what I remember doesn't look fixed. If the things I need
are not fixed yet can I still purchase 4.4.8 so that I can free upgrade
later when things are fixed?

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> [image: Go to website]
> 
>
> Try the all-new app with many cool features like Synchronization with
> Google Calendar, Notes formatting with Markdown, Counters for tasks in
> views, Text tags and other things to discover. Read more on our website
> 
> .
>
> You may be wondering if it is wise to invest in upgrading. Here
>  are the
> main reasons why the upgrade to MLO 5 is beneficial.
>
> Thank you for choosing MyLifeOrganized!
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Re: [MLO] MyLifeOrganized for Windows 5.0 is out now!

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On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 1:46 AM Alyona (MLO Support) <
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> Hi,
>
> << still say current version is 4.4.8?
> Could you send us a screenshot?
>

It was resolved for me a few hours later. I might have had that part of the
page still coming from Chrome browser cache. I tried holding down Ctrl and
F5 which I think forces it to reload and update the cache. Looks find now.



> < it beta or alpha) but what I remember doesn't look fixed.
> We are still working on improvements and fixing bugs in MLO 5. It would
> help if you provide links to the posts where you reported issues that are
> still persist. Thank you.
>

I was a fan of the Linux version of MLO. Soon my main system will be Linux
and somebody said there's a feature removed that allowed MLO to run on a
Win emulator without crashing.



>
> < that I can free upgrade later when things are fixed?
> MLO 4 has been removed from sale. However, if you purchase MLO 5 now, you
> will get both activation codes: for MLO 5 and MLO 4.
>

O I C thank you, that

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Re: [MLO] My hand-crafted autoformatting rules gone after update to MLO 5

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Backups are a must for those who haven't lost anything yet. I don't trust 5
yet, sorry I don't know what might have happened but I expect it.

Especially before moving to the new version. Backups are often the only way
to recover stuff like this.

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 10:30 Danila Sentyabov  wrote:

> Anyone has encountered this?
> Anyone knows how to get them back?
> This is a disaster :(
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Re: [MLO] Re: Is it possible to sort manually by sort, then fine-tune manually (or using hotkeys on Importance)?

[Jeff Smith]

Thanks this will help me. I hope to someday remember some of the key
shortcuts when I need them.

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 03:56 John . Smith  wrote:

> OK, to partially answer my own question...
>
> If I sort the view by Importance, I can then:
> A) Right-click over the Importance column to get the task to the nearest
> 25 units of Importance,   then
> B) Use Alt+C (to give Contexts field focus), then hit Tab once (to give
> the Importance slider focus). I can then use up/down arrow keys to
> increment/decrement the value of Importance by 1 unit.
>
> It's a bit fiddly but it allows me to fine-tune sort order within
> "Importance" to the nearest 25 as set up by using the dropdown.
>
> Not as good as proper full manual sort, within Importance, but better than
> nothing.
>
> J
>
> On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, John . Smith wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I want to sort my tasks firstly by Importance value (Max, A Lot, More
>> etc), but within that, I then want to change the order manually. Is this
>> possible?
>>
>> i.e. Is it possible to do initial a *rough* sort using the Importance
>> field, and then between tasks of identical importance, to then change the
>> order manually?
>> e.g. If I want to change the order between my task which all have an
>> Importance value of "A Lot", I might simply use Shift+Alt+UpArrow and/or
>> Shift+Alt+DownArrow to change the order of "A Lot" tasks.
>>
>> Failing that, is there some hotkey or mouse wheel to increment/decrement
>> the exact Importance value by +1 or -1 ?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> J
>>
>> PS Fwiw, I am still using MLO Windows version 4.4.8 (and having a v busy
>> period at the moment, so now would NOT be a good time to upgrade to v5) but
>> does v5 have any improvement in this regard?
>>
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Re: [MLO] Re: Google Calendar sync hotkey

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This becomes very negative for me also, as I always forget in the end to
sync. It really needs to keep it in sync and not assume I must not want to.
I cannot do anything at the other office because I forgot to do the last
sync before I closed it at the previous location. This is very bad for a
professional application. It was terrible when MLO didn't used to save it
automatically either but you finally fixed that one at least.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:29 AM Joel  wrote:

> By all means, it should automatically sync, especially before one logs off
> of the desktop software. I'm getting reminders from MLO on my phone this
> morning for tasks that I changed and moved around last night before I
> logged off. Guess what? I forgot to hit the calendar sync button before I
> which is why I'm getting reminder pop-ups for tasks that no longer are
> relevant. Because there's no calendar sync on mobile, I have to wait until
> I get home tonight to sync MLO with my desktop. Not really ideal.
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 11:23:56 AM UTC-4, Osmoderma wrote:
>>
>> Good idea... what I'd prefer additionally would be an *option *for
>> automatic Google Calendar sync
>>
>> Am Freitag, 10. August 2018 08:04:06 UTC+2 schrieb Amir Rachum:
>>>
>>> F9 does a general MLO sync. What I'd really like is for it to do the
>>> Google Calendar sync as well (syncing is syncing - I usually do that when
>>> I'm done editing tasks, etc.)
>>> Is it possible to do both with the same hotkey? Is there a hotkey for
>>> syncing Google Calender?
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Re: [MLO] How do I get a refund?

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Important to know MLO is not a cloud service. If you pay for that you are
not paying MyLifeOrganized extra, but another company for the additional
service which had to be built for this purpose. I think MLO itself is a
good product for what they are, and I'm glad they are trying to get sync to
flow also.

That said, I have not paid MLO a single penny for 10 years because I simply
cannot do anything without a real sync, yet I cannot afford every single
one of the expensive products just to get one simple sync from my home
computer to phone. I am simply not paying at all. I hope not too many
people have to buy it and then find out this problem because for me it was
clear it's not what I need just participating in the google group.

It's not that I condemn MLO, I need it. I just am still waiting!

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 1:09 PM Luis Fernando Franco <
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> Software is pretty and all, but if it doesn't sync to my mobile device ON
> MY environment (I really don't care if I'm the most stupid being on earth,
> and have a unique environment) is is quite useless. I bought it on the
> promise to be able to sync without need to pay for another subscription.
>
> Really, if you want people to pay extra for your cloud services, the
> software should be free and subscription based only. OR if you are selling
> the software (which isn't cheap) then you should be syncing with Dropbox,
> OneDrive, or whatever. But I'm nobody to tell you what to do with your
> company/products.
>
> Thing is, I trusted what you said in your page, and the product doesn't
> work for me.
>
> How do I get a refund?
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Re: [MLO] How do I get a refund?

[Jeff Smith]

Hello Luis,
It depends what "core feature" means, but I own MLO v2 and it does not have
anything like WiFi nor cloud sync. I owned it before 2.0 and the only sync
these versions had was to sync with a copy of .ml file in a different file
location. It worked for Windows PDA. Those versions had all the core
features, so you could argue that they not call it core.

I've read the website where it says if a Windows Firewall alert asks, you
should click allow. That is not at all saying that MLO has anything to do
with it, nor that you will be prompted if (1) your operating system doesn't
do that or (2) it's not even Windows Firewall on your own system that is
blocking it. There's no way MLO can be responsible for that, so it does say
refer to your other firewall software. So nobody said they are sure your
situation will work. I won't call it stupid and I've paid for things
without a trial first then found out it wasn't worth it. Just have to
decide is that what you want to risk before you pay.

Certainly I have never found any task manager that comes close to offering
what MLO does for me. Just that WiFi sync is not good enough for me either
because it does not automatically sync even when closing everything, the
only option I've heard would keep it in sync is cloud sync, which by name
means there is a third party serving the data. Then there is the question
of security because of claims of that data not being encrypted. I Just
really want a local sync that really does sync, and won't cost extra per
month.

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 12:02 AM Luis Fernando Franco Jiménez <
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> No, syncing is not an additional feature, is advertised as a core feature,
> at least in this case, and that was my only reason to buy the so called
> "pro" version. I'm talking about WiFi sync which is not working in my
> environment. I can't change a several thousand organization to fit my needs.
>
> Was I stupid for not using the trial and believed what the page said?
> Absolutely. Thanks God I didn't pay for the "pro" on the Android Phone, it
> is still in the "pro" trial.
>
> Again, I'm nobody to tell someone what to do with their software. I really
> like MLO interfase and functionality, and I wish it would have worked for
> me, but it didn't, not in the advertised way, at least. If the sw can't
> sync my Phone with my PC then it doesn't work for me.
>
> Talking about functionality, I've been using ToDoList, which is free, and
> it has a boatload of features, that easily rival MLO, its even better in
> some regards. I'm leaving TDL precisely because there is not a mobile
> client. Some years ago, it was ok since I worked mainly in my desk, but now
> that I travel a lot, most of what I do is in the phone, so no sync, is a no
> go for me.
>
> El jue., 23 de ago. de 2018 a la(s) 14:36, Christoph Zwerschke (
> c...@online.de) escribió:
>
>>
>> Am 23.08.2018 um 18:03 schrieb Luis Fernando Franco:
>>  > Really, if you want people to pay extra for your cloud services, the
>>  > software should be free and subscription based only. OR if you are
>>  > selling the software (which isn't cheap) then you should be syncing
>>  > with Dropbox, OneDrive, or whatever. But I'm nobody to tell you what
>>  > to do with your company/products.
>>
>> Why? MyLifeOrganized is a task management software, and that's what the
>> website says. Sync with mobile (or even mobile clients) is an additional
>> functionality that a task management software may have or may not have.
>> It is mentioned further down the page, but it says clearly that a aid
>> subscription is necessary.
>>
>> Also, you cannot expect to buy a cloud service with a one-time payment.
>>
>> I think the MLO software and cloud subscription has a fair and
>> appropriate pricing model, and they are pretty transparent about it on
>> their webseite. Scroll down and you see clearly the four offers with
>> their prices, and a detailed version comparison.
>>
>> Again, not everybody needs sync, or WiFi Sync may suffice for some.
>> Also, you still can sync via FTP or Dropbox between two Windows
>> installations. Under Synchronization - Advanced you can choose a remote
>> data file in your dropbox folder to sync against.
>>
>> -- Christoph
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Re: [MLO] Re: I can't WiFi sync with MLO PRO 5, and Android

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Normally it helps to know also the netmask of at least one, but it's pretty
clear that your two addresses are not on the same network. Often the mask
is 255.255.0.0 with a business like this. This means you have one on
network 10.15.0.0 and the other on network 10.19.0.0 so they have to use a
router. You likely have also a firewall controlling traffic between the
two, but even without a firewall it still is what we call "Intranet" and
MLO's "WiFi sync" just isn't designed for it. You will have the same result
as trying to route over Internet. It doesn't jump through routers, and ping
only proves that it makes it there through any IP routing going on, to
other networks.

If the phone got the address for example 10.15.131.45 and netmask
255.255.255.0 then they would both be on the same network and WiFi sync
would be appropriate. As it has been stated before, they need to be on the
same local network, hence this is called WiFi sync and not something like
IP sync.

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 1:13 AM Luis Fernando Franco Jiménez <
luisferfra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Desktop: 10.15.131.32
> Phone: 10.19.77.85
>
> Desktop can ping the phone, even access a webserver when I configure it,
> and phone can ping and access a webserver without problems.
>
> Maybe MLO is using another protocol? (That was sarcasm)
>
> El dom., 26 de ago. de 2018 a la(s) 10:28, imajeff (imaj...@gmail.com)
> escribió:
>
>> This information might help a lot:
>> What is your IP address of the desktop running MLO which needs to be
>> sync'd
>> What is your IP address of the Android device trying to sync
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 1:25:12 AM UTC-6, Luis Fernando Franco
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's see, in this page
>>> https://www.mylifeorganized.net/support/Wi-Fi-synchronization-setup/ it
>>> says that when you open MLO it will ask for permissions on the firewall.
>>> Well, not in my case.
>>>
>>> I can reach (ping) my PC from my phone, but obviously the MLO service
>>> isn't up.
>>>
>>> The video tutorial is 99% about the PAID cloud service and 1% about
>>> WiFi. I bought MLO, which isn't cheap, on the premises that I was going to
>>> be able to sync via WiFi, I don't feel like paying a suscription.
>>>
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Re: [MLO] Re: I can't WiFi sync with MLO PRO 5, and Android

[Jeff Smith]

Yes Seriously: this is beyond your understanding.

You have shown that you have no idea what you are talking about.

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 1:08 PM Luis Fernando Franco Jiménez <
luisferfra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> WOW this is beyond my understanding of the Internet and networks in
> general. I never imagined computers on the same segment were the only ones
> to communicate between them!!!
>
> Yeah, there are two routers in between, do you think they are blocking
> MLO's TCP/IP protocol? Or maybe is using another protocol, or another
> port, C'mon
>
> And yet again, MLO hasn't had even tried to connect to the network (yeah,
> I also scanned for outgoing network traffic). It has not send even a small
> package. I guess it guessed that some evil creature in the routers were
> going to block it, so it better hide.
>
> I mean, SERIOUSLY??
>
> So, MLO is architected to work only on extremely huge corporate networks
> of no more than 255 computers at once, and of course exactly on the same
> network segment. WOW that's awesome engineering! That should be
> disclosed, don't you think? "If you use a router, this awesome piece of
> engineering won't work". I'm pretty sure developers had extremely good
> reasons on why not to implement a webserver, for example, you know, that
> obscure protocols nobody uses anymore.
>
> I was robbed. That's it. I regret the first time I heard from this scam.
> I'm the idiot here because of having reasonable expectations on the
> advertised features.
>
>
>
> El mar., 28 de ago. de 2018 a la(s) 12:58, Jeff Smith (imaj...@gmail.com)
> escribió:
>
>> Normally it helps to know also the netmask of at least one, but it's
>> pretty clear that your two addresses are not on the same network. Often the
>> mask is 255.255.0.0 with a business like this. This means you have one on
>> network 10.15.0.0 and the other on network 10.19.0.0 so they have to use a
>> router. You likely have also a firewall controlling traffic between the
>> two, but even without a firewall it still is what we call "Intranet" and
>> MLO's "WiFi sync" just isn't designed for it. You will have the same result
>> as trying to route over Internet. It doesn't jump through routers, and ping
>> only proves that it makes it there through any IP routing going on, to
>> other networks.
>>
>> If the phone got the address for example 10.15.131.45 and netmask
>> 255.255.255.0 then they would both be on the same network and WiFi sync
>> would be appropriate. As it has been stated before, they need to be on the
>> same local network, hence this is called WiFi sync and not something like
>> IP sync.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 1:13 AM Luis Fernando Franco Jiménez <
>> luisferfra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Desktop: 10.15.131.32
>>> Phone: 10.19.77.85
>>>
>>> Desktop can ping the phone, even access a webserver when I configure it,
>>> and phone can ping and access a webserver without problems.
>>>
>>> Maybe MLO is using another protocol? (That was sarcasm)
>>>
>>> El dom., 26 de ago. de 2018 a la(s) 10:28, imajeff (imaj...@gmail.com)
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>>> This information might help a lot:
>>>> What is your IP address of the desktop running MLO which needs to be
>>>> sync'd
>>>> What is your IP address of the Android device trying to sync
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 1:25:12 AM UTC-6, Luis Fernando Franco
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's see, in this page
>>>>> https://www.mylifeorganized.net/support/Wi-Fi-synchronization-setup/
>>>>> it says that when you open MLO it will ask for permissions on the 
>>>>> firewall.
>>>>> Well, not in my case.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can reach (ping) my PC from my phone, but obviously the MLO service
>>>>> isn't up.
>>>>>
>>>>> The video tutorial is 99% about the PAID cloud service and 1% about
>>>>> WiFi. I bought MLO, which isn't cheap, on the premises that I was going to
>>>>> be able to sync via WiFi, I don't feel like paying a suscription.
>>>>>
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Re: [MLO] Re: I can't WiFi sync with MLO PRO 5, and Android

[Jeff Smith]

gt;>>
>>>> Hi again
>>>>
>>>> If WiFi sync is very important for you, I would ask for help from the
>>>> Network Administrator who is in charge of those routers.
>>>>
>>>> Friend, you are relativly a new MLO user. I would suggest you to focus
>>>> on building an MLO profile which will help you to manage your tasks and
>>>> achieve your goals instead of fighting with WiFi sync. You can always use
>>>> MLO cloud for syncing. Set it once and forget about the need of
>>>> configuration when you move to new wifi networks. Other advantages of MLO
>>>> Cloud are automatic cloud sync, task by email etc.
>>>>
>>>> Also, you can contact the MLO support:
>>>> support[at]  mylifeorganized.net.
>>>> Describe your problem and place the link to this google group
>>>> discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, wish you a to have a nice expirience with MLO (which in my
>>>> honest opinion is extremly powerful) and have a productive day!
>>>>
>>>> Br
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> вторник, 28 августа 2018 г., 22:08:10 UTC+3 пользователь Luis Fernando
>>>> Franco написал:
>>>>>
>>>>> WOW this is beyond my understanding of the Internet and networks in
>>>>> general. I never imagined computers on the same segment were the only ones
>>>>> to communicate between them!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, there are two routers in between, do you think they are blocking
>>>>> MLO's TCP/IP protocol? Or maybe is using another protocol, or another
>>>>> port, C'mon
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet again, MLO hasn't had even tried to connect to the network
>>>>> (yeah, I also scanned for outgoing network traffic). It has not send even 
>>>>> a
>>>>> small package. I guess it guessed that some evil creature in the routers
>>>>> were going to block it, so it better hide.
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, SERIOUSLY??
>>>>>
>>>>> So, MLO is architected to work only on extremely huge corporate
>>>>> networks of no more than 255 computers at once, and of course exactly on
>>>>> the same network segment. WOW that's awesome engineering! That should
>>>>> be disclosed, don't you think? "If you use a router, this awesome 
>>>>> piece
>>>>> of engineering won't work". I'm pretty sure developers had extremely good
>>>>> reasons on why not to implement a webserver, for example, you know, that
>>>>> obscure protocols nobody uses anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was robbed. That's it. I regret the first time I heard from this
>>>>> scam. I'm the idiot here because of having reasonable expectations on the
>>>>> advertised features.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> El mar., 28 de ago. de 2018 a la(s) 12:58, Jeff Smith (
>>>>> ima...@gmail.com) escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Normally it helps to know also the netmask of at least one, but it's
>>>>>> pretty clear that your two addresses are not on the same network. Often 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> mask is 255.255.0.0 with a business like this. This means you have one on
>>>>>> network 10.15.0.0 and the other on network 10.19.0.0 so they have to use 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> router. You likely have also a firewall controlling traffic between the
>>>>>> two, but even without a firewall it still is what we call "Intranet" and
>>>>>> MLO's "WiFi sync" just isn't designed for it. You will have the same 
>>>>>> result
>>>>>> as trying to route over Internet. It doesn't jump through routers, and 
>>>>>> ping
>>>>>> only proves that it makes it there through any IP routing going on, to
>>>>>> other networks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the phone got the address for example 10.15.131.45 and netmask
>>>>>> 255.255.255.0 then they would both be on the same network and WiFi sync
>>>>>> would be appropriate. As it has been stated before, they need to be on 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same local network, hence this is called WiFi sync and not 

Re: [MLO] Re: I can't WiFi sync with MLO PRO 5, and Android

[Jeff Smith]

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:38 AM Luis Fernando Franco Jiménez <
luisferfra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have said, I don't know, ten times at least, that MLO on running doesn't
> try to connect to the network, so there's no prompt for asking access
> through the firewall. Yet I give it access manually. There is not a single
> bit of information MLO is sending to the local network adapter. Maybe is my
> that English is not my first language and I write things that nobody else
> understand.
>
>
Your English is good. It's just that sniffing traffic isn't proving what
you think it is. I would guess that the traffic was never sensed because it
knows your IP are not in the same network so it doesn't try to send it on
the LAN. Should have given a reasonable error message if that's it though.

The purpose of not going beyond one LAN is security problems if you do. I
wouldn't want hackers controlling my data just because it was allowed to
sync over any TCP/IP without better security than it has. Companies need
security so they pay extra for it, that's what you would need to do. Pay
extra for it.

Ironic though, there are security issues with the cloud sync solution also
that need to be addressed, like it does not encrypt our data to protect us
from being exposed to the cloud hosts.
Seems always some problem here so yeah. I hope you are patient enough to
get your money back and hope you have a good life.

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Re: [MLO] Re: I can't WiFi sync with MLO PRO 5, and Android

[Jeff Smith]

Good idea for a workaround. I know how to do it using my freedomPop MiFi
device but not sure how with just my laptop and phone. I suspect could use
WiFi tethering on the phone?

On Sat, Sep 1, 2018, 02:09 MOK | MATSURU  wrote:

> Have you try sharing data using your phone to your laptop as "portable
> wifi network"?
>
> If i am not wrong, you can sync MLO using this method. Just need to set
> the correct ip address in MLO.
>
> On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 at 01:46, Jeff Smith  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:38 AM Luis Fernando Franco Jiménez <
>> luisferfra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have said, I don't know, ten times at least, that MLO on running
>>> doesn't try to connect to the network, so there's no prompt for asking
>>> access through the firewall. Yet I give it access manually. There is not a
>>> single bit of information MLO is sending to the local network adapter.
>>> Maybe is my that English is not my first language and I write things that
>>> nobody else understand.
>>>
>>>
>> Your English is good. It's just that sniffing traffic isn't proving what
>> you think it is. I would guess that the traffic was never sensed because it
>> knows your IP are not in the same network so it doesn't try to send it on
>> the LAN. Should have given a reasonable error message if that's it though.
>>
>> The purpose of not going beyond one LAN is security problems if you do. I
>> wouldn't want hackers controlling my data just because it was allowed to
>> sync over any TCP/IP without better security than it has. Companies need
>> security so they pay extra for it, that's what you would need to do. Pay
>> extra for it.
>>
>> Ironic though, there are security issues with the cloud sync solution
>> also that need to be addressed, like it does not encrypt our data to
>> protect us from being exposed to the cloud hosts.
>> Seems always some problem here so yeah. I hope you are patient enough to
>> get your money back and hope you have a good life.
>>
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Re: [MLO] Re: Recurring tasks with only start date

[Jeff Smith]

I really agree with this. I never add due date unless I seriously made that
commitment!

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 15:30 Troy Lundblad  wrote:

> This is a real killer for me and keeping me from leaving omnifocus.  Due
> dates should be used sparingly, but this encourages an overuse of due
> dates.
> Hopefully this functionality can be added. Really the only thing missing.
> That and the calculation of importance should really stop over-valuing
> tasks with out a due date relative to those that have a due date.  Due
> date/start date should both be valued.
>
> On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 3:59:17 PM UTC-4, dsfloriano wrote:
>>
>> I would like to know wether it is possible too create a recurring task
>> with only start date (no due date). Thanks.
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Re: [MLO] Activating After 45 day trial over

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There should be a way to get your data back if you have an older
version. But maybe you just mean your data can't be used now until you
pay a fee since you already trialed one version. Just making sure you
know the data should still be there waiting for you to buy the product
(or a newer version).

On 9/18/2018 11:38, Dena McKitrick wrote:
> I had the trial version of MLO - loved it, decided I would keep it,
> and filled it up with my lists. Then life, and a death in the family
> happened. During my absence of consciousness, the trial period ended,
> and all my info disappeared.  Th program languished for months. Today,
> I decided to begin anew when I saw that it was a new version that had
> to be purchased new, and since all my info was gone anyway. 
>
> I did things all backwards, I guess. First I bought the program for
> android, and installed and registered it on my phone. I have a lot to
> organize though, so I went to access on my computer, and discovered I
> needed to buy it for that, so I uninstalled the old version on my PC
> that wouldn't let me touch it, bought the pro version, installed 5.0,
> and then tried to figure out how/where to enter the activation code. 
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Re: [MLO] how does importance work in sorting

[Jeff Smith]

Think of the parent as the general idea of what you need to do, and the
children are the next steps. Rather than a parent attribute affecting the
child, it is more like waiting to do the child task supercedes waiting to
do the parent. Parents just don't show up yet, not active. The child has
all its own attributes such as importance and urgency but there is an
influence by inheriting certain attributes from the parent as child is
created. Experiment with what is inherited, I don't remember.

Once the attributes of a child are set, then it doesn't consider how
important the parent was.

I hope this helps. It can be hard to see but it was carefully planned out
and I'm glad it always works the same even on different platforms.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 23:25 Jim Peet  wrote:

> I am the computed score for sorting.  Since the documentation says that
> the importance of a subtask is only supposed to be how important it is to
> the parent task (i.e, relative importance within the task, not an absolute
> measure of importance), I expected that any change in the importance of a
> subtask would move the task up down relative to other subtasks.  But
> instead, it moves it up and down relative to other tasks,not just the other
> subtasks to the same parent.  This makes it some weird mix of relative and
> absolute importance.  Can anyone explain this?
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Re: [MLO] how does importance work in sorting

[Jeff Smith]

I could be wrong on my last post since I didn't read about it all but I
just experiment and it does get complicated to tell what

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 23:25 Jim Peet  wrote:

> I am the computed score for sorting.  Since the documentation says that
> the importance of a subtask is only supposed to be how important it is to
> the parent task (i.e, relative importance within the task, not an absolute
> measure of importance), I expected that any change in the importance of a
> subtask would move the task up down relative to other subtasks.  But
> instead, it moves it up and down relative to other tasks,not just the other
> subtasks to the same parent.  This makes it some weird mix of relative and
> absolute importance.  Can anyone explain this?
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Re: [MLO] Re: Feature request: Time Tracking

[Jeff Smith]

I agree with zelzvga. It would be neat if MLO had API to allow integration
but it should not have to worry about all these extras that get suggested
from the customizable task manager that it is. Think hope can I improve
with GTD and part of that is not complicate things.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 23:25  wrote:

> Consider my vote negative if we are talking about an *integrated *time
> tracker.
>
> A time tracker will add bloat and unseen complications. *It will also
> limit a very unique niche that MLO has*. No one else publishes a PC,
> android, iOS based synchronizing organizer that can be this customized.
>
> There are multiple time trackers, only one MLO.
>
> On Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 7:23:23 AM UTC-5, JeffH wrote:
>>
>> Using MLO to plan and execute projects and tasks is fantastic. Having
>> to use a separate app to track time spent is frustrating, involving
>> duplicate data entry, inconsistencies, etc. I believe time tracking
>> could be integrated into MLO cleanly and unobtrusively, so as not to
>> bother those who don't want or need it. I recently looked at over a
>> dozen time-tracking apps, listed below, with brief comments. First,
>> some design ideas. Throughout, when I say project, I mean any non-leaf
>> node of the hierarchy.
>>
>> - Maintain a list of task or activity types (eg Administration,
>> Coding, Maintenance, Documentation, etc.)
>>
>> - Maintain a list of clients.
>>
>> - Maintain a log of activities. Each entry includes a start date/time,
>> end date/time, associated task id. Give the task log a separate tab
>> next to Task Notes and Properties. By default, show the current date.
>> Allow filtering by date; maybe show a calendar or drop-down calendar.
>>
>> - Provide a timer to accumulate time to a task. Select the task, right
>> click, and start the timer. Maintain a MRU list of tasks; show on
>> right-clicking the tray icon.
>>
>> - Provide a properties pane (or tab?) to capture expenses. Associate
>> each expense with a project. Capture date, amount, vendor,
>> description, paid (bool).
>>
>> - Provide reporting options: Summary by date (today, week, month),
>> Detail by date, Summary by project, detail by project, projects by
>> client (detail/summary, Client billing (paid, unpaid, all), Activity
>> per time unit (detail/summary) (eg this week 20 hours coding, 10.5
>> hours admin, etc.), ...
>>
>> - Don't need detailed financial accounting of billing.
>>
>> Products I reviewed:
>>
>> Maybe
>> - Easy Time Tracking - sluggish ui, but pretty functional. Allows
>> customized statuses for projects and tasks; task categories; does
>> invoicing. Tray window is informative but a intrusuve.
>>
>> - Timeless Time & Expense - Seems to have everything, but pretty
>> awkward. Version 3 coming soon, free upgrade, Allows expense tracking.
>> UI seems sluggish here too. Tray control but no window.
>>
>> Almost
>> - AllNeticWorkingTimeTracker: very clean ui. has tray app for start/
>> stop. Doesn't have task categories (activities). Reporting not great.
>>
>> - TimePanic - interesting. activity centric. Allows projects +
>> subprojects; no expense support;
>>
>> Definitely not
>> - FruitFul
>>
>> - Office Time - has projects and categories, but no tasks. Multiple
>> windows confusing.
>>
>> - Responsive Time Logger - pretty rich feature set. Expensive. Tray
>> app doesn't allow task switching (per screen shot).
>>
>> - Complete Time Tracking - kind of cool, compact ui; no activities;
>>
>> - Time Shadow
>>
>> - Time Tracker
>>
>> - ya Timer - http://www.nbdtech.com/yaTimer/Help/ - kind of cool, no
>> task notes
>>
>> - WHID - sourceforge
>>
>> - TimeSheets MTS - pretty heavy duty - requires manually entered
>> project and task ids -
>>
>> - Fanurio - http://www.fanuriotimetracking.com/ - Java based. no tasks
>>
>> That just scratches the surface. There are TONS of tools out there,
>> none with an MLO's highly tuned look and feel, most very awkward,
>> heavy, sluggish. AllNetic comes closest, but lacks functionality. I
>> would easily fork over more $ for an integrated MLO implementation.
>>
>> Anybody else?
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Re: [MLO] Re: Can MLO Mobile Version Add a Synchronization Button to the Widget?

[Jeff Smith]

Mine does not have a toolbar settings there either

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Re: [MLO] Re: how does importance work in sorting

[Jeff Smith]

Sorry I was replying to sender and had forgot how to reply to list on
Thunderbird..

So yeah these numbers are useful if you can see what the current number
value is on the slider. I have MLO 2.5; can you see the number on later
versions or something?


On 9/25/2018 15:06, zelz...@gmail.com wrote:
> Had an email back and forth, so decided to add this:
>
> Any way to get a larger slider to control it more accurately?
>
>
> Somewhere along the way I pulled out these values in MLO 4:
>
> Importance
>
> min 0 blue
>
> less 1-40 blue
>
> little 41-80 blue
>
> normal 81-120 gray
>
> more 121-160 red
>
> a lot 161-189 red
>
> max 200 red
>
>
> Urgency
>
> min 0 blue
>
> less 1-40 blue
>
> little 41-80 blue
>
> normal 81-120 gray
>
> more 121-160 red
>
> a lot 161-189 red
>
> max 200 red
>
>
> If you click on the slider, you can increment it by one using the
> right and left arrow keys. 
>
> On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 9:23:50 PM UTC-5, zel...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Download the 2018 manual PDF from this page
> . Go to page 17,
> section 3.22. Follow the links from there down the rabbit hole.
> The best I can get out of it is that you base it on the importance
> of the parent, which can have its own importance if it is the
> child of another. So, you can have recursive importances.
>
> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 12:25:25 AM UTC-5, Jim Peet wrote:
>
> I am the computed score for sorting.  Since the documentation
> says that the importance of a subtask is only supposed to be
> how important it is to the parent task (i.e, relative
> importance within the task, not an absolute measure of
> importance), I expected that any change in the importance of a
> subtask would move the task up down relative to other
> subtasks.  But instead, it moves it up and down relative to
> other tasks,not just the other subtasks to the same parent. 
> This makes it some weird mix of relative and absolute
> importance.  Can anyone explain this?
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[MLO] Re: MyLifeOrganized for Windows 5.0 is out now!

[Jeff Smith]

So we can save our ToDo list data if MLO 5 still is operational, but
What can I do if my trial is over and it doesn't let me open my data any
more? It only lets me create a new data file.


On 9/25/2018 00:07, Chris Randle wrote:
> On 2018-09-24 15:21, darkUXpatterns wrote:
>> Can you downgrade to MLO 4? Unfortunately, it's not entirely true.
>> You can downgrade the software with no problem but *you can not
>> downgrade your To-Do list. *
> In MLO v5, from the File menu select "Save as..." and then
> "MyLifeOrganized Data File MLO4 (*.ml)" from the "Save as type" drop
> list.
>
> I do think that this needs to be somewhere obvious (I couldn't find
> mention if it at all) in the help file.
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Re: [MLO] Re: Recurring tasks with only start date

[Jeff Smith]

I used to think of the due date more like that, until I read the
"Getting Things Done" book. I realized I've been clogging up my calendar
with too many things that don't have to be done that day, or I was no
longer taking the due date seriously because too many of them just went
past and I often decided to keep extending the due dates.

Notice that we have two dates in MLO with specific purpose. Start date
says you don't need to worry about the task until then. This is great
for telling when to mow the lawn for example. All my tasks like mowing
will have a recurring start date. Then there's the due date. Well if I
have a bill due that's a real due date. I could still mow the lawn
tomorrow but if my bill is due there is a solid penalty like paying late
fees. I don't need to be confused by using the wrong kind of date for
the wrong purpose.


On 9/26/2018 00:45, Stéph wrote:
> I actually disagree. IMHO every task has a date after which it should
> either have been done or it should be abandoned, even if that date is
> several years in the future.  For example, even something as vague as
> "consider enrolling my daughter in a new sports club" will expire once
> my daughter finishes school and leaves home. For that reason I have no
> problem with having to set a due date.
>
> (It is a shame that I can't get due dates automated so they default to
> the parent's end date, though. I'd like to be able to save on the
> extra clicks needed every time I enter a new task).
>
> Just thought I'd put that alternative view point out there.
>
> Stéphane 
>
>
> On Wednesday, 5 September 2018 04:10:19 UTC+1, imajeff wrote:
>
> I really agree with this. I never add due date unless I seriously
> made that commitment! 
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 15:30 Troy Lundblad  > wrote:
>
> This is a real killer for me and keeping me from leaving
> omnifocus.  Due dates should be used sparingly, but this
> encourages an overuse of due dates. 
> Hopefully this functionality can be added. Really the only
> thing missing.  That and the calculation of importance should
> really stop over-valuing tasks with out a due date relative to
> those that have a due date.  Due date/start date should both
> be valued.
>
> On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 3:59:17 PM UTC-4, dsfloriano wrote:
>
> I would like to know wether it is possible too create a
> recurring task with only start date (no due date). Thanks.
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Re: [MLO] Re: Feature request: Time Tracking

[Jeff Smith]

I've already seen how slowly they are trying to improve it. 10 years of
observation. MLO5 is a good example of how they leave so many problems
that slow me down but just add new problems. My software should not
consume all of my time, I need to work on actually getting things done I
needed to do in the first place.

I think it's because the platform never gets thought out and rewritten.
You can't keep making it better if you never look at the big picture of
what's wrong in the base code. What is taking too much time to manage.
If there were an underlying API then other minds could start solving
problems that shouldn't take up the companies resources and mine because
I don't need everything others need.

On 9/30/2018 07:12, zelz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I would agree as long as support for the API by MLO is low in
> priority. I would like the programmers to improve MLO, not
> interactions with some program a subset of users prefer to use.
>
> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 12:16:31 PM UTC-5, Ford Ford wrote:
>
> True. An API or simply increasing the commad line fuctions that
> MLO already has would allow to create many external tools that
> would give extra features without slowing MLO down.
>
> Il giorno venerdì 21 settembre 2018 16:14:10 UTC+2, imajeff ha
> scritto:
>
> I agree with zelzvga. It would be neat if MLO had API to allow
> integration but it should not have to worry about all these
> extras that get suggested from the customizable task manager
> that it is. Think hope can I improve with GTD and part of that
> is not complicate things.
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 23:25  wrote:
>
> Consider my vote negative if we are talking about an
> /integrated /time tracker.
>
> A time tracker will add bloat and unseen complications.
> *It will also limit a very unique niche that MLO has*. No
> one else publishes a PC, android, iOS based synchronizing
> organizer that can be this customized.
>
> There are multiple time trackers, only one MLO.
>
> On Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 7:23:23 AM UTC-5, JeffH wrote:
>
> Using MLO to plan and execute projects and tasks is
> fantastic. Having
> to use a separate app to track time spent is
> frustrating, involving
> duplicate data entry, inconsistencies, etc. I believe
> time tracking
> could be integrated into MLO cleanly and
> unobtrusively, so as not to
> bother those who don't want or need it. I recently
> looked at over a
> dozen time-tracking apps, listed below, with brief
> comments. First,
> some design ideas. Throughout, when I say project, I
> mean any non-leaf
> node of the hierarchy.
>
> - Maintain a list of task or activity types (eg
> Administration,
> Coding, Maintenance, Documentation, etc.)
>
> - Maintain a list of clients.
>
> - Maintain a log of activities. Each entry includes a
> start date/time,
> end date/time, associated task id. Give the task log a
> separate tab
> next to Task Notes and Properties. By default, show
> the current date.
> Allow filtering by date; maybe show a calendar or
> drop-down calendar.
>
> - Provide a timer to accumulate time to a task. Select
> the task, right
> click, and start the timer. Maintain a MRU list of
> tasks; show on
> right-clicking the tray icon.
>
> - Provide a properties pane (or tab?) to capture
> expenses. Associate
> each expense with a project. Capture date, amount,
> vendor,
> description, paid (bool).
>
> - Provide reporting options: Summary by date (today,
> week, month),
> Detail by date, Summary by project, detail by project,
> projects by
> client (detail/summary, Client billing (paid, unpaid,
> all), Activity
> per time unit (detail/summary) (eg this week 20 hours
> coding, 10.5
> hours admin, etc.), ...
>
> - Don't need detailed financial accounting of billing.
>
> Products I reviewed:
>
> Maybe
> - Easy Time Tracking - sluggish ui, but pretty
> functional. Allows
> customized statuses for projects and tasks; task
> categories; does
> invoicing. Tray window is informative but a intrusuve.

Re: [MLO] Re: MyLifeOrganized for Windows 5.0 is out now!

[Jeff Smith]

nope my best solution was to lose what I did (which wasn't much) on mlo5
by finding an automatic backup just before the upgrade and restore that.
It wasn't easy but was better than what you suggested in that case.

So you are confirming that this is a very bad thing MLO is doing by
tricking people into thinking it would be simple to agree to try 5 and
then just go back to 4.x when it isn't ready. There is no warning that
all these things will happen, yet they are very aware that it will
happen. Bad choice all around.

On 9/30/2018 13:37, Stéph wrote:
> Imajeff, you’ll have to find someone you trust, with a cooy of MLO5, who can 
> convert it back for you. If there’s no sensitive information in the task 
> list, I’d be more than happy to do that for you. If you ask the developers, 
> they too may be willing to convert it for you.
>
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Re: [MLO] MLO 5.0 manual abridged

[Jeff Smith]

What is the difference between the two PDF you posted? You seemed to say
the same thing in the email for both but later I noticed one is named
'b' and the other 'c'


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> When I started reading through the PDF of the MyLifeOrganized manual
> for version 5.0, I thought it
> looked familiar. Consulting the help file in the MLO application
> showed the same structure and text.
>
> MLO’s help fileworks as intended, I have referred to it often.
>
> Unfortunately, that means you are introduced to MLO like the blind men
> and the elephant. I
> suspected that I could better understand and use MLO if the
> information was distilled and the
> disparate parts put together.
>
> I have shamelessly cut and pasted explanations from different parts of
> the manual and borrowed
> from the website blog to fill out some areas unclear to me. I have
> added some text, rewrote some so
> it was clearer to me, and added information that was not available
> when MLO 5.0 was released. 
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Re: [MLO] Re: How to postpone a recurring task?

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Jeff liked this post.
In fact he loves it

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 01:40 Grant  I think is is a much needed feature - MLO need these kind of things that
> make it work in the real world for people busy with things other than
> configuring and scripting MLO ;-)
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Re: [MLO] Re: Is it possible to have attachments in MLO tasks ?

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It could be useful to encode something to Base64 used in MIME and
include that in the notes. This stores any file as text inline. For
example I have "rcs-5.9.2.tar.xz.sig" and here it is encoded using a
tool (Notepad++)

y4ZGBCARAiAGBQJSy5w2fSANCgkQZwMiJEzigqx1AsOCw4Agxbh5w7fCvTnCgcucwqwrw4t9PT3CpFHDmAdkwqrCoMOAIMKgxbgHwoHDhTHCsjc64oCww5ANCsKkYsOOfVExw6V+FQ==

So from this text you can use a simple tool to paste the above encoded
text and decode it back to binary. This is basically how attachments
work in email.

I would hope there is a clipboard MIME tool that's easy for
non-technical users but I have not found one.


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> HI,
>
> We strive to keep the app lightweight, therefore we are opposed to the
> attached files. However, there is a compromise solution in MLO 5 on
> Windows that allows add media to the tasks. Here you can learn how
> Markdown
> works: 
> https://www.mylifeorganized.net/support/notes-formatting-with-Markdown/ 
>
> On Saturday, November 24, 2018 at 5:57:43 PM UTC+2, Sri wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I find it convenient in making notes related to tasks/subtasks in
> an external editor.  Sometimes it might be intuitive to add pictures
> to give more information related to tasks.  So it makes sense in
> MLO providing interface to an external applications.
>
> Is that something that MLO provides today ? Couldn't get any info
> related to that as I searched for that in the doc or the options
> in the MLO app.
>
> Appreciate the clarification.
> Sri
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Re: [MLO] Where does MLO stand wrt adding high-res screen support?

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This has been trouble for me too. We need focus on what make it possible to
use and be productive. New "features" can't help when we still can't use it
for basic reasons

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> support the high-res screens that we all have today.  I'm so tired of
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Re: [MLO] Where does MLO stand wrt adding high-res screen support?

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I have a hard time clicking the right spot because everything is so small
and close together

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018, 05:30 Joel  Is it possible for you guys who are having this problem to post a
> screenprint of what you're seeing? I don't have any problem but my
> resolution is set to 1920 x 1080 which is the recommended resolution for my
> monitor. My wife likes hers set on a lower res which makes her icons and
> display larger but also makes the text and display slightly blurry. It
> doesn't bother her but it does me. Is it possible your display is set on a
> low resolution?
>
> Joel
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 6:59 PM Jeff Smith  wrote:
>
>> This has been trouble for me too. We need focus on what make it possible
>> to use and be productive. New "features" can't help when we still can't use
>> it for basic reasons
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 13:04 Dave C >
>>> Friends, I've used MLO for a long time, and I keep waiting for the app
>>> to support the high-res screens that we all have today.  I'm so tired of
>>> looking at slightly blurry text, or trying to use a different font in an
>>> effort to mask the problem.  What is the team plan to add this capability
>>> in the future?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dave C
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Re: [MLO] MyLifeOrganized 3 for Android is out! Watch the video presentation

[Jeff Smith]

I am not certain, is it already paid for since I recently bought Android
MLO 2 Pro? It is counding down the trial period but I thought upgrades
were free

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Re: [MLO] Unauthorized Upgrade

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I was confused too but only the added feature pack costs extra. Things like
choice entry with Google Assistant. When the trial ends you will still have
MLO 3 Pro working.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 23:08 Rich G  I purchased MLO android v2 in the past.  It is now informing me that I
> have a limited number of days remaining on a new "trial" version 3 of MLO.
> Apparently MLO auto-upgraded to v3 and I would have to pay to use this new
> version of MLO.
>
> I did not consent to an upgrade path that would require me to pay
> additional money.
>
> Can someone please explain why I now have this "trial" version on my phone
> that I would have to pay for?
>
> What happens when my v3 trial runs out?  Will I automatically be
> downgraded to v2?
>
> Does this comply with Google's terms and conditions re: android apps?
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Re: [MLO] Unauthorized Upgrade

[Jeff Smith]

That's not the point. When we bought MLO Pro for Android, upgrades were
promised to be free

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Re: [MLO] Importance, Urgency and Importance Default Set At Min!

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My opinion is that it is good to leave room for a new task to be either
higher or lower than default

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 01:41 John Smith  MLO,
> I LOVE your software and have been using it religiously for years.  I
> think I use a different email address when I buy things for anonymity but I
> uses sgh...@gmail.com for anything on Google.  My beef is with
> Importance, Urgency and Effort.  The default should always be the lowest
> value to give the person as much flexibility on the upside as possible.
> The first thing I do with any task is to set all 3 at min.  Why normal and
> then having to lower those that are lower?  Of course this is more work for
> me and my request for you to change may produce more work for others if
> they do not agree with my concept.  I believe there should always be upward
> movement and never downwards.  My way gives me 6 levels on the upside
> instead of just 3.
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Re: [MLO] Set the "View Completed" to default to no (like for the preefined views)

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Yes there is a quick toggle that might look like an eye, it changes
whether you want completed tasks shown, hidden, or old completed tasks
hidden. I don't have the latest but in 4.x it's just one of the square
buttons above.

On 1/16/2019 12:30, 2020cori...@gmail.com wrote:
> It is just a minor irritant, but I want to see a clear view of my
> tasks, for example when I look at my inbox, I don't want to see tasks
> that I already completed, I just want to see tasks I still need to
> deal with
> Hope that is clear
>
> Thanks
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Re: [MLO] Syncing Google Calendar from different computers?

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I've been following the mailing list and someone did recently talk about
this problem. I'm sorry to hear it happened again but I am grateful for
your details because it helps me see where it is going wrong. I am
hoping the MLO team can see from this where they could put in something
to detect this situation and not think they are new tasks. I will say
that if you find the older posts it might help you figure out how to
isolate all of the duplicate tasks by creation date and delete them.

Apparently the important thing we must learn is to not assume that
upgrading still keeps track of what tasks are new or are from the
previous online sync. Before syncing an upgraded thing, remember that
you need to decide which place is the one true copy of all your tasks.
Is it the file on the laptop, file on the desktop, or the actual online
instance that you have been syncing with? Advice in a recent post said
that because you are syncing everything to online location, that online
instance should be the only place you take your tasks from. That would
mean that your new installation needs to start with a blank new file
(none of your tasks should be there). Then you set up sync, and it fills
your new installation with all the tasks from your online repository.

Sorry I've not got this all set up so I can't stand by what I said, but
that's how they said it needs to work. I don't do syncing yet and maybe
I'm delaying it until I can see if they fix this or help to avoid it.
Always keep a backup of the old way before you try new things in case
you have to go back; that's my policy.

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> So when MLO 5 for windows came out with the Google Calendar sync I was
> ecstatic. I've used it since to much success. However, when I first
> tried it I turned on google sync from my work machine laptop.
> Everything synced exactly as expected. Then I synced the data from my
> personal laptop. After adjusting some dates I used the Google calendar
> sync a second time and it read all the events on my Google calendar as
> /new/ events - it duplicates all tasks and stuck them in my inbox
> leaving me with a mess to sort out. My question is whether or not
> Google Sync is designed to be used with multiple computers and I'm
> potentially doing something wrong or if it's an issue with how I set
> up my Google calendars? (it's very possible I had different settings
> and that is what caused the break) I've been scared to try it since it
> didn't work and have just been using the calendar sync button with a
> single laptop ever since. Is there a way to use it on two machines or
> is it only meant to be done on one?
>
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Re: [MLO] OK Google - Take a note

[Jeff Smith]

Do you mean "Ok Google" doesn't start listening? For example can you say,
"Ok Google, tell a joke"

This is not a function of MLO so there might be Android settings changed.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 06:06 Laurence Glazier  Hi Domas. The OK Google function of MLO 3 is a way of waking up the phone
> and taking a note which is sent automatically to the MLO Inbox. This
> stopped happening and the Notes are being stored in the phone stock Notes
> system instead.
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Re: [MLO] Re: Dark theme/dark mode for the Windows version

[Jeff Smith]

I don't get it; how are we supposed to try these themes since you are
only showing screenshots?

On 2/12/2019 00:31, 'george' via MyLifeOrganized wrote:
> Few more dark themes.
>
>
> On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 4:06:55 AM UTC-8, G German wrote:
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> thanks, this theme is EXCELLENT
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Re: [MLO] Re: Dark theme/dark mode for the Windows version

[Jeff Smith]

Sorry I found them attached on my phone, but didn't show up on my
thunderbird

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019, 02:39 Andrei Bacean  hi
> mlthm files are also attached.
> br
> Andrew
>
> среда, 13 февраля 2019 г., 2:37:42 UTC+2 пользователь imajeff написал:
>>
>> I don't get it; how are we supposed to try these themes since you are
>> only showing screenshots?
>> On 2/12/2019 00:31, 'george' via MyLifeOrganized wrote:
>>
>> Few more dark themes.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 4:06:55 AM UTC-8, G German wrote:
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Re: [MLO] Cloud sync: encryption

[Jeff Smith]

There is https encryption going from your computer to their sync server,
but then it is decrypted and stored on their computer in a way I guess
similar to the way your computer stores your tasks.

That means the hacker may find a way to break into their server, but
they are probably more likely to break into your computer, and likely
already have access. It's something that changed in the last 10 years, a
lot more infiltration into personal computers and monitoring what you
do. That means they can probably get your tasks without you syncing
anywhere else. Worried? I suggest learning as much as you can about
personal security and ways to encrypt private information. Only
encrypting it on the cloud won't help much.

On 2/16/2019 13:53, 'george' via MyLifeOrganized wrote:
> Is the data stored in the cloud encrypted? Meaning, is there a
> possibility that somebody(so called malicious actor) could release all
> my data with the attachments and notes and all that in a readable
> format out into the wild where somebody can
> see it on a website or make it available to download? I know anything
> is possible but what is the realistic scenario?
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Re: [MLO] Re: Cloud sync: data in the cloud stored in encrypted format..

[Jeff Smith]

When I use GMail I also use extensions to help encrypt messages that are
sensetive. My favorite is Mailvelope using Open PGP. So the feature
request is that we can easily encrypt a task and maybe it's child tasks.

For me it would be helpful at least if you make sure that it will handle
keeping a PGP ascii armored message in the notes of a task. I wonder if
anyone has tried that. It has to not try to reformat the lines of the
message, they have a certain length.

On 2/18/2019 05:21, Alyona (MLO Support) wrote:
> At the moment the level of our Cloud security is the same as Gmail
> which also does not encrypt emails.  We are using HTTPS for secure
> connection to the cloud and the infrastructure of the cloud stored on
> Amazon Web Services located in USA. It is quite robust and secure.
>
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>
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> possibility that somebody(so called malicious actor) could release
> all my data with the attachments and notes and all that in a
> readable format out into the wild where somebody can
> see it on a website or make it available to download? I know
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Re: [MLO] Using MLO as a quick, on the spot Journal

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I noticed Captain Kirk always had to include the stardate, as if it didn't
automatically stamp it. And he never said the time of day. "Supplemental"
means include the entry on the same day.
So we're even better than the Captain's log

On Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 06:11 John Hughes  wrote:

> Journal defined: A personal record of occurrences, experiences, and
> reflections kept on a regular basis; a diary. Maybe you have seen Captain
> Kirk in StarTrek making entries into the "Captain's Log".
> My entries are not necessarily tasks. I am using MLO to record something
> that I observe, or record what I am thinking. I need the exact date and
> time of the entry. There is no "threshold" for creating an entry. For
> example, it does not have to describe an action that is performed by
> someone.
>
> Create a view that shows all tasks, group by Created Date, sort order
> descending. Group only by days is checked. Do not show hierarchy, show as a
> flat list.
>
> That is the journal. Nothing else is required, although some of the
> entries may go on the have a due date assigned to them, contexts added,
> etc.
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Re: [MLO] Re: Custom flag autoformat assignment rules | Feature needed

[Jeff Smith]

I have an idea for the new feature that would solve this and many many
requests for other features.
We need a scripting language that can create and modify tasks and then the
scripts we write can have parameters and be triggered by various events.
That way we could write a script to be executed on create, that adds the
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On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:06 PM MG  wrote:

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>
> Thank you for your interest and reply.
>
> What I mean is that a feature enhancement would be, to include custom
> flags into in-app list as we create them, so that one can create a rule to
> assign such custom flags instead of the general purpose list icons,
> according to rules conditions.
>
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Re: [MLO] Re: Custom flag autoformat assignment rules | Feature needed

[Jeff Smith]

Thanks for the reference, though I'm not sure about the font thing you were
talking about in that post.
Scripting in MLO would solve the problems where AutoHotkey doesn't reach.
AHK just presses keys for you, so you have to call each script manually for
example press F11. Then all it can to is press keys for you and you can
only do what key shortcuts there are available in the window.

What I propose doesn't have to be a complicated API, but at least the
ability to obtain an object of a specific task and then tell how to
manipulate it. A script could be called from various events like new task
or selecting tasks and pressing it's assigned hotkey.

For example one could set it up so each time they create a new task under a
certain parent, a script is called to set all the desired flags on that
task automatically. It of course can do much more that that, if well
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On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 12:06 PM MG  wrote:

> HI imajeff,
>
> I agree with you.
>
> Regarding your idea, I've already started a discussion about this type of
> feature for some automation.
>
> Take a look it here:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mylifeorganized/wxpd1I5WzNU
>
> Unfortunately, I received any opinion.
>
> In my viewpoint, even though MLO applies GTD methodology it must - in some
> cases - to follow daily dynamics, much of them regarding automation,
> leaving us time to think.
>
> But this is just my opinion, no one has to agree with me.
>
> I know there are priority features MLO Team want to develop, but some
> would be useful for all of us, even though some workarounds works in some
> circunstances, but many others don't.
>
> Stéph, you are right, but what I mean is a lack of a *Flag button* which
> allows us to use in Autoformat Rules windows (options)...not icons, nor
> their positions in such definition.
>
> BR
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 3:48:35 AM UTC+2, imajeff wrote:
>>
>> I have an idea for the new feature that would solve this and many many
>> requests for other features.
>> We need a scripting language that can create and modify tasks and then
>> the scripts we write can have parameters and be triggered by various
>> events. That way we could write a script to be executed on create, that
>> adds the desired flags automatically.
>>
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>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:06 PM MG  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Michel,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your interest and reply.
>>>
>>> What I mean is that a feature enhancement would be, to include custom
>>> flags into in-app list as we create them, so that one can create a rule to
>>> assign such custom flags instead of the general purpose list icons,
>>> according to rules conditions.
>>>
>>> BR
>>>
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Re: [MLO] Re: Custom flag autoformat assignment rules | Feature needed

[Jeff Smith]

MLO should have started the scripting when they developed 2.0 I was using
MLO before that and the feedback made it clear that we needed this or an
API because again and again people needed a way. if they are not going to
do that then they should at least focus on increasing productivity as you
say, but not even doing that as i have to press way too many things just
for one little detail. You have no idea how much bigger this would be if it
were actually liked after most people tried it. it is pitiful how small
this discussion is because too many people just don't have time to keep
using it because the needs were largely ignored.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 01:10  wrote:

> Hi,
> but how would you use these autoformated flags? As far as I can see there
> are only two options:
>
>- visual use - flags would be used to convey some information about a
>task
>In this case, the icons should perfectly do the job, as there is no
>further interaction with task's properties.
>- automated use - the flags would be used for filtering/grouping of
>tasks.
>In this case, the same rule which were to be used to assign
>autoformated flags, can be used to make the filtering.
>
> The scripting case might be slightly different, because probably it would
> give more flexibility.
> However I imagine that to implement the full scripting language into a
> product is a huge task.
> In my opinion, because MLO is already the most advanced task manager on
> the market, it should now be going towards the usability updates (to have
> web version, for example), not more advanced and geeky features.
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Re: [MLO] Re: Custom flag autoformat assignment rules | Feature needed

[Jeff Smith]

in fact to establish basic scripting would be the easy way for MLO to let
us solve our efficiency problems because then they don't have to keep
adding more features for each, or choosing which to ignore.

Not everyone has to write scripts, they can be shared to solve common
problems.

On Wed, May 1, 2019, 09:20 MG  wrote:

> Hi domas,
>
> As there are many possibilities, I would suggest MLO Team, to integrate
> such feature in a toggle on/off mode, depending on users, even if inot with
> scripting language.
>
> Flags could interact with most task properties, but not only flags:
>
> Imagine I create an autoformat rule to trigger and assign a custom flag
> previously created, to take into account a task context, tag (#John, for
> example), or text (caption) and so forth?
>
> By setting #John as a tag, for example, one would have a result of setting
> (autoformat way) to several tasks a particular flag at once (chosen in the
> autoformat rule)
>
> The issue is not merely visual (icons) but for management purpose and
> efficiency on changing settings: there are flags created from icons but
> with different name of the original icon.
>
> The way it is now, one have to filter (if not in the same view) or select
> the intended tasks, right-click and assign the desired flag for all at the
> same time, but manually.
>
> Regarding the example above, MLO keeps its identity regarding its
> flexibility.
>
> I like MLO app, including Desktop version but, have the opinion that we
> can keep identity even with small, but useful, enhancements.
>
> Of course it is not possible to handle everything, but such tiny changes
> would keep MLO, step by step, in another stage in the future.
>
> I cross fingers for that to happen.
>
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Re: [MLO] MLO needs instant sync

[Jeff Smith]

Yes, another important step to improve productivity that I have a hard time
with

On Thu, May 2, 2019, 13:05 Joel  wrote:

> MLO really needs instant sync IMO. I had to move to another productivity
> app due to needing instant sync with Google Calendar.
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Re: [MLO] Daily Recurring task

[Jeff Smith]

I don't know a way, but it seems another thing that scripting could solve.
It should be able to call a script on recursion where you can better define
what it should do. It's getting too hard to keep adding options

On Thu, May 2, 2019, 13:05 Debbie Turner  wrote:

> I have tasks that I try to do daily on weekdays.  I have them setup to
> recur on a weekdays.  If I miss one of these tasks for example for a week,
> when I check it off, it generates the next day and I have to check them off
> for every day.  I was wondering if there is a way to have them generate
> only the future dates.  I know there is an option for regenerate x days
> after completion, but is there a way to regenerate on weekdays only?
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Re: [MLO] Re: Can I try the Cloud Sync before I buy?

[Jeff Smith]

So, no free trial. I am against the concept where you have to buy
everything first without seeing what you have bought until after.

On Mon, May 6, 2019, 23:04  wrote:

> I got 3 month free Cloud sync after I bought Android and PC version. I've
> been using it over 1 week, so fast and smooth.
> You can get a 1 month free Cloud after write a review on Google Play.
> https://www.mylifeorganized.net/announcements/free-cloud-for-review.shtml
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 6:56:51 AM UTC+8, imajeff wrote:
>>
>> I purchased MLO Android and I need to decide if it is worth buying the
>> whole package yet, Windows and Cloud Sync. So far I can only find any
>> details about cloud sync by waiting for people to complain here how bad it
>> is. Is there not any way to trial this to see if it is for me, while I am
>> trialing the Windows Desktop version?
>> I once remembered an offer to get something like a trial sync but not
>> anymore.
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Re: [MLO] Re: Can I try the Cloud Sync before I buy?

[Jeff Smith]

Oh i found out that if you speak to MLO support they can often work thinks
out case by case. They are pretty nice and reasonable

On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:19 Jeff Smith  wrote:

> So, no free trial. I am against the concept where you have to buy
> everything first without seeing what you have bought until after.
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2019, 23:04  wrote:
>
>> I got 3 month free Cloud sync after I bought Android and PC version. I've
>> been using it over 1 week, so fast and smooth.
>> You can get a 1 month free Cloud after write a review on Google Play.
>> https://www.mylifeorganized.net/announcements/free-cloud-for-review.shtml
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 6:56:51 AM UTC+8, imajeff wrote:
>>>
>>> I purchased MLO Android and I need to decide if it is worth buying the
>>> whole package yet, Windows and Cloud Sync. So far I can only find any
>>> details about cloud sync by waiting for people to complain here how bad it
>>> is. Is there not any way to trial this to see if it is for me, while I am
>>> trialing the Windows Desktop version?
>>> I once remembered an offer to get something like a trial sync but not
>>> anymore.
>>>
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Re: [MLO] Filter tasks due "this calendar wekk" i.e. "before or on next Sunday"

[Jeff Smith]

That would be good to be able to specify a date as 1st day of week or 1st
of month, then a filter could use that in a range of dates to select

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> Hi,
>
> is there a way to filter for tasks due "this calendar week" in a view? By
> that I mean all tasks "due before or on next Sunday". I have a "this week"
> view with all tasks with goal = "this week" or a due date in this week.
> Currently I have not found a better way than setting the concrete date of
> that Sunday in the filter settings, which I manually have to update every
> week. What I'm looking for is different from the existing function "today +
> 6", which I'm aware of.
> I have the same requirement for "this month", but the weeks change more
> often, so this bugs me even more ;)
> I'm using MLO for Windows and Android, so I constantly have to update the
> views on both devices, as the view settings don't sync.
>
> Is there a better i.e. dynamic way to define that filter?
>
> Thanks
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Re: [MLO] Re: automatic wifi sync to pc

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Extremely inconvenient, seems like it would not cost anything at all to add
a timer to sync it every so often, in comparison to the price of cloud sync
which does not cost more just because it is automatic. It cost more to rent
the cloud resources.
So why is WiFi sync not automatic?

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> Wi-Fi sync is triggered manually from the mobile device.
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 5:40:18 PM UTC+3, Ying Dong wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to wifi sync android (ver 3.0.1) to PC (ver 4.4)
>> automatically?
>>
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Re: [MLO] Re: Tasks with start date in range not showing

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Hi James, I think I understand what you mean. I installed a trial of MLO
5.0.2 and I notice that in the view for the next 7 days it is only showing
the tasks which are due in the next week and not those that only start in
the next week. Is that what you see?

I can see why they chose to go by the due date because it keeps something
simpler, so I wonder how easy it is to create a view that shows what you
want. I haven't done much with this yet but I hope it is possible to create
a view for them.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 8:17 AM James Woods  wrote:

> It has been a year now.  Let me try again to describe the problem.  I set
> a task (either a stand-alone or project step) with a start date and a due
> date, In the view "Due Next 7 Days", The only place the task shows is in
> the due date.  What do I have set incorrectly?  The help file says:
>
> "You can specify when a task should appear in your to-do list and when a
> task is the due. The Start date parameter indicates when this task should
> appear in the to-do list. Due date shows when this task should be
> completed. Lead time is the time between Due date and Start date."
>
> How can I make the work as the help file says it should?
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Re: [MLO] Re: automatic wifi sync to pc

[Jeff Smith]

You need those checks if it's not automatic. Trust me I'm a software
engineer. If server connection is not available, don't sync.

Cloud sync is not as simple as you think. That's why it costs more to keep
it working

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 09:11 Nick Clark  wrote:

> As you suggest it is not as simple as just adding a timer to initiate the
> sync. The mobile device would need to check if there is a network
> connection to a PC with MLO installed.  What if the PC or mistaking device
> had a different IP address to the last time it connected, a likely
> situation if used on a corporate network using DHCP for address allocation?
> What if more than one instance of a PC with MLO installed is found - which
> to use?
>
> By contrast the cloud sync is simple - if there is an internet connection
> it can sync.
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Re: [MLO] Re: automatic wifi sync to pc

[Jeff Smith]

Please everyone go here to +1 it since your comments here are not counted
https://mlo.uservoice.com/forums/9235-general/suggestions/37917271-android-wifi-sync-every-so-many-minutes


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Comment there about important details
And you can actually +3 there but you only have 10 votes so look for other
feature requests there too.

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 9:03 AM MG  wrote:

> I agree.
>
> I vote +1 to this suggestion.
>
> I would suggest the feature to toggle on/off an auto sync as soon as our
> devices reaches each other from the same Wi-Fi.
>
> This would be useful for when we arrive home/office, as ou PC reaches our
> mobile/tablet/iPad.
>
> I hope Alyona takes this two suggestions to MLO Developers Team.
>
> BR
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Re: [MLO] Re: Tasks with start date in range not showing

[Jeff Smith]

It sounds like James is talking about a whole different issue where the
task that has started in the next 7 days does not show up at all in the
7day view. It doesn't because the due date is more that 7 days away, but
James is saying that it should show up because it needs to be worked on
within the next 7 days.

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 4:40 PM Stéph  wrote:

> Hello James. So, if a task starts on the coming Monday and is due on the
> Wednesday, are you expecting to see the same task listed in all of the
> groups under the heading’s Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday? If that’s what
> you’re expecting, I’m sorry that the view won’t show you that. Each task
> will only be shown once in a date-sorted list. By default, the “due next 7
> days” view has the tasks sorted and grouped by due date. If you want to see
> them listed under the start date, you can edit the filter to sort and group
> your tasks by start date. However you can’t show a task multiple times,
> grouped under its start date, due date and every day in between.
>
> On the iOS version (and probably the Android version) there’s a feature
> that might be closer to what you want. It’s called the “Today” view and the
> button for it sits just below the inbox button and the list of Outline
> views. It gives you trend lines showing the number of events and the number
> of active tasks on each day. If you tap on a point on the line, you get a
> list of the events and active tasks for that day. “Active” means a task
> which starts on/before and is due on/after that day. Is that useful for
> you? Who knows, it may be added to the desktop at some point, if enough
> people request it.
>
> If I’ve misunderstood what you’re looking for, then my apologies.
>
> Stéphane
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Re: [MLO] Re: automatic wifi sync to pc

[Jeff Smith]

Wrong choice of words on my part, of course it has cost.
So help me get into the development of this, and I will show you that it is
worth it, and cost far less than what you've got on cloud sync.


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On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 7:07 AM wa wa  wrote:

> "seems like it would not cost anything"
>
> I disagree. It will cost in processing overhead, adding another thing that
> can slow down the program on both platforms; as well as software
> development time and testing.
>
> On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 11:11:17 AM UTC-5, imajeff wrote:
>>
>> Extremely inconvenient, seems like it would not cost anything at all to
>> add a timer to sync it every so often, in comparison to the price of cloud
>> sync which does not cost more just because it is automatic. It cost more to
>> rent the cloud resources.
>> So why is WiFi sync not automatic?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 1:21 AM Alyona (MLO Support) <
>> alyonag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wi-Fi sync is triggered manually from the mobile device.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 5:40:18 PM UTC+3, Ying Dong wrote:

 Is there a way to wifi sync android (ver 3.0.1) to PC (ver 4.4)
 automatically?

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Re: [MLO] Re: automatic wifi sync to pc

[Jeff Smith]

Just answering the big issue for now, which is obviouse to me. I don't need
a popup warning about no sync. There is a place I tap to sync, and it needs
to indicate first if a sync has not been done yet. This is not hard to
figure out that the same feature is critical even if it is a cloud sync. We
cannot assume that our local device is syncing just because we haven't
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On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 12:46 AM Dwight  wrote:

>
> Ying Dong, MG  et al, there are some difficult design tradeoffs in
> creating an automatic synch between devices that have an intermittent
> connection. I think if you work out how you would like these tradeoffs
> resolved, and the people following this request agree, you might make it
> easier and perhaps more likely for the developers to try to build it.
>
> The big issue is, when synch fails to lack of connectivity, do you tell
> anyone? This is a bigger issue with wifi than cloud. With cloud, if there's
> a collectivity issue, it most likely means that my device has lost its
> internet connection. Second most likely, the cloud server is down. Here's
> the thing: if your phone has lost connectivity you will most certainly
> notice without MLO having to tell you. And if the server is down MLO people
> will get alarms. So the problem will be fixed and it's not up to MLO. Wifi
> sync only works if both devices are present and connected at the same time;
> if there's an issue with that MLO is very possibly the only one who cares,
> so it's up to MLO to take action to get it resolved.
>
> Consider this: A busy executive has a hard day at work, completing many
> tasks and marking them done on her work desktop, as well as scheduling new
> tasks. End of the day, on the train home she goes to review todays overdue
> tasks and plan for tomorrow and she discovers that she has yesterday's
> data, there were no syncs today. Maybe this morning her phone got a new IP
> address from DHCP and all day the desktop was trying to send updates to the
> old address. This is clearly unacceptable so we add an alarm when sync
> fails. Our exec leaves work, goes to the train, no more connectivity to
> work LAN. Every 5 minutes (or so) the phone tries to sync and fails. Which
> means every 5 minutes or so the alarm goes off. Very, very annoying. So we
> change it: alarm if no sync once every 8 hours. All is fine until 3am when
> the phone beside the bed wakes everybody up because there has been no sync.
> How should this be handled?
>
> Another issue: today each device knows who to sync with because the user
> types in all the IP addresses. Nick has already mentioned the difficulties
> with this issue. So if IP addresses change (relocation, DHCP, etc) does the
> user have to notice and type it in before MLO will resume sync? Or will MLO
> crawl the LAN looking for other MLO instances with which to sync? What
> happens if the LAN has a few different people each using their own copy of
> MLO?
>
> On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 3:41:14 PM UTC-4, imajeff wrote:
>>
>> You need those checks if it's not automatic. Trust me I'm a software
>> engineer. If server connection is not available, don't sync.
>>
>> Cloud sync is not as simple as you think. That's why it costs more to
>> keep it working
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 09:11 Nick Clark  wrote:
>>
>>> As you suggest it is not as simple as just adding a timer to initiate
>>> the sync. The mobile device would need to check if there is a network
>>> connection to a PC with MLO installed.  What if the PC or mistaking device
>>> had a different IP address to the last time it connected, a likely
>>> situation if used on a corporate network using DHCP for address allocation?
>>> What if more than one instance of a PC with MLO installed is found - which
>>> to use?
>>>
>>> By contrast the cloud sync is simple - if there is an internet
>>> connection it can sync.
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Re: [MLO] Cloud Sync Problem 2x Windows 1x Android

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I wish I could help but I've only had 1 Windows and 1 Android, with not
many tasks yet. I suggest make a backup of your data files and see if you
can get it working right by archive or deleting a lot of tasks. It might
give some insight but sorry this troubleshooting can be time consuming.

I wonder if it has happened to anyone else

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> Hi there!
>
> I am very heavy MLO user since years but I am starting to get issues with
> the cloud sync. I am having 2 pcs (work/home) and 1 android mobile - each
> is runing the newest version of MLO.
>
> In my data file I have more than 15.000 Tasks and even if i just add 2-3
> Tasks, it always says Modifications (9000+) and sync takes very long.
>
> My initial set-up was to sync the desktop pc home .ml file to a new cloud
> file, the copy the .ml file to my other pc - rename it and sync it to the
> cloud file..
>
> Perhaps this was wrong but I did it because all my tabs wih shortcuts.
>
> Please help,
>
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Re: [MLO] Is there a way to set defaults for new tasks? Specifically review period?

[Jeff Smith]

In fact if they implemented basic scripting that I have been talking about,
this would have been easily done without having to wait for them to add
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 3:08 AM Stéph  wrote:

> That’s a feature I’ve been campaigning for, for a long time. I’d like to
> see options for new items to include setting various parameters (dates,
> categories) to default values or to choose to inherit them from the parent
> or nearest sibling item.
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> Hopefully that’s on a list and being considered for a future update.
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Re: [MLO] In a team environment...

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>From what I saw recently, there was one who had trouble with tasks not
being marked right when many computers were using cloud sync. I haven't
heard from anyone else using many computers so I would be concerned it is
not handling something like maybe people making changes at the same time.

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On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 3:01 AM Thomas Dale  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm a fairly new and infrequent user of MLO and am really quite impressed
> with what I've seen so far.
>
> Sadly I'm unable to go into *too* much detail, but I am looking for a new
> task management system to help my team at work complete our workload.
> Currently the task lists are being run from Excel - ikr?!
>
> Anyway, in short I'm looking to find out whether or not MLO would be
> suitable for a team environment. I am keen on MLO because, as mentioned,
> I'm impressed by what it offers. My idea is to use contexts as team members
> and combine all of our tasks into one file as, naturally, the status of one
> person's progress affects the next. We are a team of 11 or so and complete
> the same tasks on a monthly basis.
>
> I've read on this forum in other posts that MLO is not designed yet for
> collaboration but a single person's task list. That said, it certainly is
> powerful enough to do. My concern is that the task list is to be shared
> using Cloud Sync as the best method of semi-collaboration; what happens if
> more than one person needs to update their task list at the same time? Does
> this pose any syncing threats in that it may mark tasks as incomplete when
> they actually are complete, or delete any new tasks added?
>
> We're a fair way off of deciding which program to use at this point,
> though I'm hoping with the answers of this lovely forum I may be able to
> strengthen my case :)
>
> Thank you for reading and in advance of your advice :)
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Re: [MLO] Suggested improvement repeating tasks

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It makes sense to me. I have noticed however that different people treat
the due date different ways and some would rather only have a due date that
can work as the time to start worrying about it to simplify how many
attributes they have to manage.

If the scripting I have been talking about were done the way I hope, it
would solve this problem also because people would be able to automate how
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On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 12:46 AM Grant  wrote:

> Hi,
> When entering a repeating task using time, it would seem more logical that
> the default time where duration starts from is the start date, not the due
> date.  This in part because the start date and time are at the top in the
> dialog box... so mainly a usability thing.  I have for years struggled with
> this, since I do not often create repeating tasks, but everytime, I have to
> click, change, try, change, etc before I get the lead time right.
> Think about it, and see if its a worthwhile small change that maybe will
> make the use of this particular aspect easier.
> Cheers, Grant
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Re: [MLO] Wifi Sync - Mobile Pro trial Mode & PC

[Jeff Smith]

Yes I was syncing recently with trial, so perhaps you could give some
specific detail about the IP address of the two trying to sync. I found it
has to be both on the same network LAN which means if one IP is 192.168.0.7
the other could be 192.168.0.10
That is assuming netmask is Ok also, for example both of mine are
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camargo1.dan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I recently have downloaded the mobile app, and I'm testing the pro trial.
> I've also downloaded the PC version. I'm trying to sync both, but it has
> not been possible. I've checked up different instructions and forums, and
> checking my firewall, and it still doesn´t work.
>
> Should I be able to Sync, while I have trial? Or is that why I can´t sync
> them?
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Re: [MLO] How do I export my data from MLO Android?

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Sounds like you would have to do it the way it has usually been done in
other software: Convince the other outliner organization to make a utility
that finds data from MLO Android and imports in appropriately.
Unfortunately they probably won't do it because they won't think the work
would pay off in this case.

It would be good if we could find people experimenting with ways to extract
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> How do I export my data from MLO on Android? To bring into another
> outliner program to play with?
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Re: [MLO] Re: How do I export my data from MLO Android?

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Maybe this "Backup Profile" option does it? hard to tell. I wonder if it's
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On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 1:26 AM Stéph  wrote:

> If nothing in the outlines is sensitive, you could ask a user with the
> Windows desktop version to export it for you. I'm not an Android user, but
> assume that it has an option for emailing a backup copy, like the iPhone.
>
> On Monday, 19 August 2019 16:39:50 UTC+1, David wrote:
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>> How do I export my data from MLO on Android? To bring into another
>> outliner program to play with?
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Re: [MLO] Cancelling Cloud Sync

[Jeff Smith]

Isn't it, like, the time left is already paid and you just don't renew it?
Then in
Synchronization > Configuration > Advanced...
looks like you can delete the MLO Cloud sync profile

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 7:28 AM Jon Lastname  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I'm dumping my phone, which means no need for a sync subscription for me.
> Unfortunately, however, I have no idea about how to cancel my sync account
> with MLO.
>
>
>- Does anyone know how to do it, or can point me toward instructions?
>
>- Bonus question: Is there anyway to delete your current and
>historical (completed) tasks when you drop out of cloud sync (or request
>that they be deleted?)
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
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Re: [MLO] Is MLO Cloud sync still unenctrypted?

[Jeff Smith]

It is still only encrypted in transit via https, MLO itself does not
encrypt anything. It won't change soon because the company doesn't tend to
fix problems people complain about even after 10 years (I've been around
since the first version).

I'd also say that because the company has such low resources to do much,
they would not be doing anything else with our data. I believe the company
is all about making a task manager that can manage life. That's typically
where security doesn't get so much attention in development

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 01:59 Joel  wrote:

> I remember at a point past there was discussion about MLO Cloud Sync and
> encryption and some portion was unencrypted.  Not sure if it was data in
> transit or maybe data at rest (on AWS ?)
> I want to know if this has been resolved.
>
> Or said another way - is MLO Cloud Sync data fully encrypted end to end?
> While at rest on the cloud servers, in transit, and any/all uses near and
> between?
> What encryption(s) are used?
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [MLO] Re: Strategies for re-starting with MLO

[Jeff Smith]

My solution is in the GTD book, basically start over but use the old list
as a resource to remember things

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 06:35 Wallace Gilbraith  wrote:

> That’s pretty much how I’d approach this, too – root-level folders of Old
> and New, hide Old in the Views, and gradually work through the Old folder
> moving stuff into New
>
>
>
> Someone once said ‘The middle of every successful project looks like a
> real mess’ – you’ll always be in the middle of it, so don’t beat yourself
> up if your MLO profile isn’t perfectly neat
>
> Having said that, for me the critical thing is to get the Inbox emptied
> daily, and give all those new tasks a Context and a Due Date and move them
> into the right place in the Outline
>
> Now and then I may focus on tidying up a specific folder in the Outline,
> so it’s less of a mess – that might be a folder representing an Area of
> Life, or a Project (particularly a project that’s likely to repeat)
>
> But many of my folders are a bit of a mess, and it doesn’t matter, because
> tasks surface when their Due Date comes round, and I don’t need to think
> about the state of the folders they’re in
>
>
>
> Wol
>
>
>
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> *Subject:* [MLO] Re: Strategies for re-starting with MLO
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>
>
> Hello Joel,
>
>
>
> I feel your pain! I, too, generated a huge file with various uncompleted
> tasks, thoughts and someday-tasks in my in-box and
> completed-but-not-quite-archived projects. I also dabbled with Post-It
> notes, on-screen Post-Its and switching some work projects to a
> OneNote-and-Outlook system (shared with my Team).
>
>
>
> (Incidentally: The OneNote-and-Outlook system has several great benefits,
> but has not been great for tracking and managing a dynamic projects list -
> even if I use tags for highlighting projects and tracking their status.
> I've gone back to overall management of my work projects and all my
> non-work tasks in MLO).
>
>
>
> To regain control of my tasks and Projects in MLO, I've created an "Old
> Inbox / Someday" folder at root level. I've set it "Hide the branch in
> To-Do" in General Properties and I've customised some of my filters (eg the
> projects filter) to exclude items or projects in that branch (Advanced
> Filter: AND "TopLevelFolderName does not contain "Someday"").
>
>
>
> I then moved everything from my Inbox to the "Old Inbox", along with some
> of my potential, future projects. I've promised myself I'll go through the
> Old Inbox during one or more long journeys or when I haven't got anything
> else pressing to do, to do, delegate, defer or delete (in true GTD style)
> or re-instigate any important projects.
>
>
>
> Good luck with keeping your updated task list manageable. I think that's
> the biggest challenge that a lot of us face.
>
>
>
> Stéphane
>
>
> On Wednesday, 28 August 2019 08:59:35 UTC+1, Joel wrote:
>
> So I think I'm not alone but maybe I am.  Because 'reasons' I've fallen
> off the wagon keeping up my GTD system.   Have been a long-time mlo user
> (like v2 or beginning of v3 I think) and have a fairly well formed system
> (for my use) but it is now stale.   When I say "fallen off the wagon" I
> mean I've been keeping it all in my head.  Now it's spilling onto post-it
> notes.  Oh fk, here we go again.
>
> So it's clearly time to bootstrap myself and get back ON the wagon.  Ok,
> fine.
>
>
>
> Foundation:  There is a lot of stuff in my existing file.  Some of it may
> even still be relevant.  Plenty I'm sure has passed, happened, been handled
> or exploded.  Nonetheless, there is a lot there.
>
> Problem:  How do I get started using my file again ensuring I see/deal
> with new current items and not get flooded by the clutter of the 'old'
> stuff?  (at least till I can make some time and energy to start working
> through the backlog of it)
>
> I've started adding some items in and they are just washed out in the see
> of overdue/older, higher prio, etc items that my views are fleshing out.
>
>
>
> Any others have dealt with a start/stop event like this?  What strategies
> did you use?
>
> I don't necessarily want to have to modify every one of my views
> (eventually I'll need them back to "normal", right?) so looking for
> thoughts.
>
>
>
> All ideas welcome.
>
>
>
> I'm on Windows and Android if that that helps/matters.
>
>
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> Thx.
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Re: [MLO] Re: How do I export my data from MLO Android?

[Jeff Smith]

I did it in Android version, forget what it's called, ...profile, and it
emailed me a zip file with xml and csv. you can open csv as a speadsheet to
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On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:40 AM Joel  wrote:

> David,
> Desktop version has an Export option and exports to XML.  I guess that's
> overlooked in the Android version.  I never actually looked for it there.
> You might be able to get away with installing the desktop as a trial (30
> days I think?), sync your profile and do an export from there.
>
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>> Thanks for the ideas, everyone. Unfortunately, I haven't found a solution
>> yet. I do like MLO, but I don't like the idea of not being able to export
>> all the data I've entered into it. That's actually a deal breaker for me.
>> This will be a good opportunity to go through everything while entering it
>> into another, more flexible solution. Thanks again and best to all.
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[MLO] move licence from old Android phone to new

[Jeff Smith]

I am trading in my old phone and will factory reset, then get my new phone
to install everything again.
Is there any important things I have to do for my Android mlo pro license?


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Re: [MLO] move licence from old Android phone to new

[Jeff Smith]

Thank you I did buy MLO desktop the other day so I am using WiFi sync. I
think I better make sure I save a backup of tasks before I sync the new
phone in case it creates duplicates

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019, 21:12 Dwight Arthur  wrote:

> You need three things after installing the app. (I learned this because I
> recently made the clumsy mistake of unintentionally uninstalling the app.)
> First, the activation code. This will re-enable your pro license, but you
> will have no views, no tasks, etc.
>
> Second, your profile. This restores your settings, views, etc. Go to
> Settings>Backup/restore profile on your old phone, turn on both options and
> backup to a file. You will be offered an opportunity to email the backup,
> email it to yourself. On the new phone, after loading the activation code,
> download the profile backup file to the Downloads folder. Go to
> Settings>Backup/Restore profile , pick the file you just downloaded and
> restore it
>
> Third, your tasks. I understand that profile restore says that it does
> your tasks but I am never 100% comfortable that's enough. If you have your
> tasks synched to cloud or to a wifi destination, hook the new phone up to
> synch and run the synch process.
>
> That should do it
>
> -Dwight
>
> On 9/3/2019 9:19 PM, Jeff Smith wrote:
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> I am trading in my old phone and will factory reset, then get my new phone
> to install everything again.
> Is there any important things I have to do for my Android mlo pro license?
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Re: [MLO] Desktop pro version - how can I sync with wifi on iPhone without paying for the app again on my device?

[Jeff Smith]

My idea was that they need a free version on phones that doesn't have all
the standalone features but just expects you to pay for the desktop version
to make it useful. Instead, they have tried to make the phone version a
full app in itself and therefore charge for each separately. The only way I
could think was to buy the android mlo first and only use it for the next
year while I try to save up for the desktop also.

Well last week I finally bought the desktop version so I could sync without
trials running out. It seems like as long as I don't upgrade next release
it will be worth the price. But I found that a lot of features just still
cannot be done if you only have Android version.

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On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:35 AM Jim Pratt  wrote:

>
> I bought the desktop pro version.  Do I have to purchase the mobile
> version to get them to sync?  My trial period on my tablet expired, and now
> I can't use wifi to sync with my desktop.  Thoughts?
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Re: [MLO] Desktop pro version - how can I sync with wifi on iPhone without paying for the app again on my device?

[Jeff Smith]

True dat...
I have been frustrated by other applications now requiring me to pay every
year and not allowed to keep using the version I already bought. That's one
thing I like about MLO and in this case it is nice that they tend to remain
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On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 6:29 AM Stéph  wrote:

> It's an expensive initial cost, especially for the desktop version, but at
> least you're not forced into a subscription model. Unlike other task and
> time management software, the optional cloud-sync subscription model has a
> very reasonable cost.
>
> Overall, then, if you're going to use MLO for a few years (as I've done),
> it's much cheaper than the subscription-based services. I prefer this model
> - pay to own, instead of leasing.
>
> Stéphane
>
>
> On Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:28:43 UTC+1, imajeff wrote:
>
>> My idea was that they need a free version on phones that doesn't have all
>> the standalone features but just expects you to pay for the desktop version
>> to make it useful. Instead, they have tried to make the phone version a
>> full app in itself and therefore charge for each separately. The only way I
>> could think was to buy the android mlo first and only use it for the next
>> year while I try to save up for the desktop also.
>>
>> Well last week I finally bought the desktop version so I could sync
>> without trials running out. It seems like as long as I don't upgrade next
>> release it will be worth the price. But I found that a lot of features just
>> still cannot be done if you only have Android version.
>>
>> I wish they would understand this is not acceptable to quite a few of us.
>>
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>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 1:35 AM Jim Pratt  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I bought the desktop pro version.  Do I have to purchase the mobile
>>> version to get them to sync?  My trial period on my tablet expired, and now
>>> I can't use wifi to sync with my desktop.  Thoughts?
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Re: [MLO] Desktop pro version - how can I sync with wifi on iPhone without paying for the app again on my device?

[Jeff Smith]

good try but I still forget things because this is not improving in the way
it needs to; not making my task flow efficient


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> Value of being more efficient and not forgetting things >>> than the cost
> of MLO.
>
> This is why I buy a desktop license, an Android licence, an iPhone
> license, and a cloud sync license. And upgrade to every version that comes
> out. I want to encourage/reward the developers to keep developing because
> it makes me better.
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Re: [MLO] Desktop pro version - how can I sync with wifi on iPhone without paying for the app again on my device?

[Jeff Smith]

No, nothing to do with changing what it is. When I need to enter 10 tasks
that I just remembered, I cannot enter them quickly enough so I don't
remember anymore. It is clearly a problem of expecting me to do everything
manually when MLO could have predicted some things needed or been
programmable to set up the defaults that I use. Way way too much work
needed manually so it is not efficient!

I have been here more that 10 years ago discussing what is needed, as have
many many posts addressed it here. They have had plenty of time to adjust
but they just ignore all of us. This is about doing what MLO does, not
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> I don't understand your comment. "Good try...". Everything I said is true
> for me.  Maybe you want MLO to be something it isn't intended to be.
>
> A hammer will never be a screwdriver no matter how hard you want it to be.
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Re: [MLO] Re: Did "custom task fields" ever happen?

[Jeff Smith]

Sorry to say John, the text tag is not geared towards what you want which
is for presentation of the attributes of an item to the viewer. Instead it
is like another context field, for the purpose of filtering what tasks you
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On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 6:17 AM G German  wrote:

> in the Help file I found this:
>
> Assigning Text Tag to a Task
>
> You can mark a task with a specific text tag so that you can filter these
> tasks later in the To Do list.
>
>
>
> To assign a text tag to a task:
>
> 1. Switch to Edit mode in Task Properties Pane
>
> 2. Select the Properties tab and open the General section
>
> 3. Enter the text tag name in the Text tag edit box.
>
>
>
> Tip: A hint appears when you start typing in a text tag.
>
>
>
> Tip: There is special column for text tags with a local menu where you
> can assign/change a text tag for a task.
>
>
>
> Tip: You can use the Alt+T shortcut to perform actions 1 and 2 above.
>
>
>
> Note: Only one text tag can be assigned to a task.
>
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 12:44:57 PM UTC+1, John . Smith wrote:
>>
>> PS Do you just get one Text Tag per task?
>>
>> J
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 12:43:58 PM UTC+1, John . Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Text Tags" sound promising.
>>>
>>> Is there any on-line documentation about them? (I couldn't find
>>> anything) e.g.
>>> - Do they inherit from parents (e.g. at time of child creation)?
>>> - Are they just plain text (not date/numeric)?
>>> - Do they default in any helpful way?
>>> - How long are they allowed to be?
>>> - Do they come with any functions that can work on them?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 29, 2019 at 4:01:03 PM UTC+1, G German wrote:

 we got a new field called Text tags that you can use as you want

 On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 2:03:15 PM UTC+1, John . Smith wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> I have been away from MLO for 3 years. Did anything ever come of the
> feature request for having additional Task fields that are customisable?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [MLO] move licence from old Android phone to new

[Jeff Smith]

Thank you Dwight, all of the tips helped and I now have it working as
expected on the new phone with wifi sync

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 10:05 PM Dwight Arthur  wrote:

> Pro tip: do your first full synch from your new phone BEFORE any attempts
> to use MLO on the phone. If you even THINK about creating a task on the new
> phone, MLO will create an INBOX on the phone which is not the same as the
> inbox on your desktop, it will end up duplicated and the duplicated inbox
> is very hard to kill possibly requiring the use of garlic and a wooden
> stake (joke, do not attempt to put garlic into your inbox)
>
> -Dwight
>
> On 9/3/2019 11:32 PM, Jeff Smith wrote:
>
> Thank you I did buy MLO desktop the other day so I am using WiFi sync. I
> think I better make sure I save a backup of tasks before I sync the new
> phone in case it creates duplicates
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2019, 21:12 Dwight Arthur  wrote:
>
>> You need three things after installing the app. (I learned this because I
>> recently made the clumsy mistake of unintentionally uninstalling the app.)
>> First, the activation code. This will re-enable your pro license, but you
>> will have no views, no tasks, etc.
>>
>> Second, your profile. This restores your settings, views, etc. Go to
>> Settings>Backup/restore profile on your old phone, turn on both options and
>> backup to a file. You will be offered an opportunity to email the backup,
>> email it to yourself. On the new phone, after loading the activation code,
>> download the profile backup file to the Downloads folder. Go to
>> Settings>Backup/Restore profile , pick the file you just downloaded and
>> restore it
>>
>> Third, your tasks. I understand that profile restore says that it does
>> your tasks but I am never 100% comfortable that's enough. If you have your
>> tasks synched to cloud or to a wifi destination, hook the new phone up to
>> synch and run the synch process.
>>
>> That should do it
>>
>> -Dwight
>>
>> On 9/3/2019 9:19 PM, Jeff Smith wrote:
>>
>> I am trading in my old phone and will factory reset, then get my new
>> phone to install everything again.
>> Is there any important things I have to do for my Android mlo pro license?
>>
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Re: [MLO] Problem with Importance & Urgency in Task Statistics

[Jeff Smith]

I can't help but I would like to know what is going on. I learned that they
have spared no expense to make sure that the importance and urgency
measurements are mathematically sound and all work as they should.
So I don't see how there could be a mistake in using them but we really
need to work this out!

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 1:25 PM JensFF  wrote:

> I have problem with displaying Importance and Urgency values in the task
> statistics. Insome views I see the (correct?) value. In other views the
> values are all 0.000 or all N/A for the same tasks. I didn't find a rule
> yet what the specific views have in common.
>
> It seems that all views with real value are without hierachy. But not all
> view without hierachy show real values.
>
> Any idea what happens here?
>
> Jens
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[MLO] need use space on screen, hide counters

[Jeff Smith]

I have MLO 5.0.4
It still does not allow me to see the names of things on left side because
a huge space is reserved for a counter I do not want to see.
I found options in manage views to not show counters, but that changes
nothing. I really do not have enough space on my screen to always hide the
words so you can show me the blank counts and I do not want to see them
even if they are not blank.

Please fix this!

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Re: [MLO] Feature request for android app

[Jeff Smith]

Steph is right the statement has nothing to do with the other you were
comparing with, but the fact that MLO for Android would not be able to read
the file you synced.
We did have that file sync option in older versions when people were
syncing with a windows PDA but they don't make those any more.

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 23:41 Guru Freeman  wrote:

> The sync app I posted has an android version. And the syncs it does are
> self hosted. So that would not make it desktop only.
> Please read the description of the app before making claims about it's
> capabilities. Though in the context of this request that is a moot point,
> as the functionality I am asking for would work with any folder sync.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 2:47:33 AM UTC-4, Dwight wrote:
>>
>> I would support this, but please note that as written, it would be
>> effective only where all devices synching this way are desktop systems. I
>> would like to see a way to synch among multiple (more than 2) devices that
>> does not involve having to trust a third party to securely store my data.
>> -Dwight
>> On 9/17/2019 11:53 AM, Guru Freeman wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would like to make a feature request for the app. Under the syncing
>> options, there is the MLO cloud and WIFi sync. Could an option for local
>> file sync be added ?
>> This option is available in the desktop app, though listed under backups.
>> I have a folder on my phone which uses
>> https://www.resilio.com/individuals/ to share files securely between
>> some computers which I prefer to use instead of the MLO cloud.
>> I am aware I can use the backup option, however that is a manual process
>> and I would like it to sync profiles to an arbitrary folder on my phone
>> which is a sync folder.
>> It would be even better if we could do local file syncs on a per-profile
>> basis, but even if they are all in a single folder that would be fine.
>> Also the backup option does not let someone set the folder in which the
>> backup is stored, just automatically goes to the download folder, but my
>> downloads folder is not a syncing folder.
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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO needs a Chrome extension

[Jeff Smith]

Definitely old school. It is why they are not expanding into environments
like Linux, Apple, Chrome, that would take too much rethink of the whole
project, and new development teams. I think he just wants to keep making
money off what he made back then so they make it look different and sell
again.

I still want them to understand the need for scripting to let us manage
automation of what we do, and API but they need to expand their thinking
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 2:51 AM Joel  wrote:

> I wish this were available for MLO. As my needs are changing and being the
> fact that a lot of the productivity software available today does have
> this, I wish Andrey would look for a way that this could be done.
> Technology is moving in another direction and I feel like MLO is "old
> school tech".
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 2:36:54 PM UTC-5, Aamer Akhter wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Just wondering if there is a native solution (MLO chrome extension) that
>> allows for adding to the inbox from desktop chrome browser?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 9:10:15 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry about that. You're right. It's *Send from Gmail*. Yes, that's the
>>> one I'm using. It's working for me at least. Hope others don't have issues.
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Lasse Pedersen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks. But I can't see any extension of this name.

 Is it Send FROM Gmail - ie. this one?

 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/send-from-gmail-by-google/pgphcomnlaojlmmcjmiddhdapjpbgeoc?hl=en



 On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 00:04:16 UTC+1, Holmes245 wrote:
>
> Just wanted to follow up on this post with a solution that I found. I
> started using the *Send to Gmail* extension that Google developed to
> send webpage links to MLO. You can find it in the Chrome store. It does 
> the
> job decently well. I would still prefer a native extension that I could
> click to save website links directly to MLO as tasks but this is the best
> workaround I could find. Hope this helps anyone else looking for something
> like this.
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Re: [MLO] Calendar events synced from gmail/outlook have incorrect reminder time. Is there any setting to change this?

[Jeff Smith]

I had not used the calendar sync yet but this sounds terrible, my end times
are not even when it ends but just reserving space in case it lasts longer.
So you are saying it assumes we don't want to get to an event until the
time it is ending?? I knew they couldn't be good at interpreting how a
calendar event should show up as a task, but I didn't think it would be
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 8:41 AM Saurabh Gadkari 
wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I have recently started using MLO and synced the calendar events to
> desktop and mobile app.
> Consider the below example to understand the problem
>
> I have calendar event (meeting) today at 2 PM for 2 hrs, so it ends at 4
> PM.
> When this even gets synced to desktop/mobile app, the reminder for this
> app is set to 4 PM and due time is also set to 4 PM.
>
> Moreover in the mobile app I have a widget which shows one of my custom
> views Today's Focus which shows events at the top.
> In this view by default the due time is shown below the event which is
> quite misleading, as I see this event is happening at 4 PM !!
>
> Is there anyway to change this behavior?
>
> Thanks,
> Saurabh
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[MLO] 2-Factor auth ignored for google calendar setup

[Jeff Smith]

I am trying to connect to my google account so I can sync the calendar.
After I ender my gmail password it sends the 2-factor request to my phone.
I click Yes on the phone to show it was me, but nothing happens after that.
What is going on?

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Re: [MLO] BUG(Windows): Changing a tab name by using the "Set up workspace..." dialog on dual screen systems

[Jeff Smith]

I get this problem in almost every software I run on dual screen, so I wish
Microsoft would have made it easy to do right


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On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:54 AM Thomas Dittel 
wrote:

> I hope it is OK to report a bug in that way.
>
> I just found a small issue when working on windows systems with dual
> screen setup.
> I moved my MLO window to the secondary display and tried to change the
> tab/workspace name by "Set up workspace..." dialogue. First I thought
> nothing happend but then I realized that the dialogue bubble opened on the
> primary screen.
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Re: [MLO] Re: 2-Factor auth ignored for google calendar setup

[Jeff Smith]

I did not get a blank window. On Android it asked if it is me trying to
authenticate so I click Yes. On the phone, as expected, it was no longer
asking me to click yes or no because I said yes. On windows MLO, was is
still waiting for me to click yes or no on the phone; all I could do is
close the window to cancel the attempt to connect to google.

But that was only back then. Today I tried to connect again and this time
it just worked, so I don't have any way to know why it did not work that
day. When working, the next screen that should have come up was the message
that this app is not verified by Google. Today because it did go on to that
screen, I was able to verify the connection and finish setup.

Does that make sense, the windows MLO was never being informed that I had
clicked Yes on the phone, so I could not do anything further but today it
worked so I do not know why it was not working that day. I had started over
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On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 11:18 AM Alyona (MLO Support) <
alyonagrech...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for reporting the bug. We're looking into it.
> Please confirm the following:
>
> - After clicking "Yes", you got a blank window.
> - After closing this window and going again to
> Synchronization->Configuration->Google Calendar it allowed you to connect.
> So, it finally worked, correct?
>
> On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 9:51:12 PM UTC+3, imajeff wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to connect to my google account so I can sync the calendar.
>> After I ender my gmail password it sends the 2-factor request to my phone.
>> I click Yes on the phone to show it was me, but nothing happens after that.
>> What is going on?
>>
>> I use Windows 7 and MLO 5.0.4
>>
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Re: [MLO] Re: Feature request for android app

[Jeff Smith]

Wa wa You are not making sense. I paid for the upgrades MLO does charge
for. I am a user, but you claim they don't know I am just because cloud
sync is not for me? I use WiFi sync which did not cost them as much to
build or maintain.

They are losing more revenue every upgrade because of their poor decisions
about what is important for the majority of potential users

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 09:40 wa wa  wrote:

> One of the ways the developers are paid is by cloud sync. May not be much,
> but you are asking them to cut into that flow and also lose the historical
> knowledge of how many users there are.
>
> Also, when it doesn't work, they will have the burden of tech support. In
> an area far outside of software development.
>
> Maybe form an alliance with someone like Resilio, who does charge for
> their software?
>
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 2:15:10 PM UTC-5, Guru Freeman wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would like to make a feature request for the app. Under the syncing
>> options, there is the MLO cloud and WIFi sync. Could an option for local
>> file sync be added ?
>> This option is available in the desktop app, though listed under backups.
>> I have a folder on my phone which uses
>> https://www.resilio.com/individuals/ to share files securely between
>> some computers which I prefer to use instead of the MLO cloud.
>> I am aware I can use the backup option, however that is a manual process
>> and I would like it to sync profiles to an arbitrary folder on my phone
>> which is a sync folder.
>> It would be even better if we could do local folder syncs for all
>> profiles at the same time, instead of only 1 profile at a time.
>> Also the backup option does not let someone set the folder in which the
>> backup is stored, just automatically goes to the download folder, but my
>> downloads folder is not a syncing folder.
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Re: [MLO] need use space on screen, hide counters

[Jeff Smith]

Thank you Andrey, glad to hear from you. I could not turn them off before,
they were still there and taking the space but maybe you fixed in the
update because they hide now. I was confused that they were still covering
names in To-Do and Recent, but I see you select each one on the left and
then turn it off. Well, those sections still seem to reserve the space.

Also when I go into Manage Views I notice Hide if zero is selected, but
that only displays a blank that still covers name. Should that also be able
to turn off the ones that are zero?


On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 02:27 'Andrey Tkachuk (MLO)' via MyLifeOrganized <
mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Yes I understand the problem. However with the current tree view control I
> could not find a good and easy way for rows without counters to use all the
> space. I will try to look into it again later.
>
> For now if you do not use counters just turn off all of them and the space
> will be used by view name.
>
> >Even with all counters turned off the buffer space between where it cuts
> of text on the left and the scroll bar on the right is huge.
> 1. Click Manage views...
> 2. Expand all views in Mange Views window (important)
> 3. Select all views (Ctrl+A)
> 4. Uncheck "Show Counters" on the right.
>
> Since there will be no counters on views panel all space will be used by
> view caption. I've just checked it and it works as expected.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrey.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 10:59:16 AM UTC+3, Hugo Sharp wrote:
>>
>> Yes i’ve been meaning to request this. Even with all counters turned off
>> the buffer space between where it cuts of text on the left and the scroll
>> bar on the right is huge. Can this be reduced to zero or close to it? This
>> would be a huge boon for small screens.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
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>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2019 8:43 am
>> *To:* mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [MLO] need use space on screen, hide counters
>>
>> I have MLO 5.0.4
>> It still does not allow me to see the names of things on left side
>> because a huge space is reserved for a counter I do not want to see.
>> I found options in manage views to not show counters, but that changes
>> nothing. I really do not have enough space on my screen to always hide the
>> words so you can show me the blank counts and I do not want to see them
>> even if they are not blank.
>>
>> Please fix this!
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Re: [MLO] need use space on screen, hide counters

[Jeff Smith]

Unfortunately, I have found that I still cannot hide any counters to make
space for names. I had thought it worked in Outline but that was only
because I had expanded it a little and the names were shorter there. So how
can we get the counters to really turn off?

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 9:19 AM Jeff Smith  wrote:

> Thank you Andrey, glad to hear from you. I could not turn them off before,
> they were still there and taking the space but maybe you fixed in the
> update because they hide now. I was confused that they were still covering
> names in To-Do and Recent, but I see you select each one on the left and
> then turn it off. Well, those sections still seem to reserve the space.
>
> Also when I go into Manage Views I notice Hide if zero is selected, but
> that only displays a blank that still covers name. Should that also be able
> to turn off the ones that are zero?
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 02:27 'Andrey Tkachuk (MLO)' via MyLifeOrganized <
> mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes I understand the problem. However with the current tree view control
>> I could not find a good and easy way for rows without counters to use all
>> the space. I will try to look into it again later.
>>
>> For now if you do not use counters just turn off all of them and the
>> space will be used by view name.
>>
>> >Even with all counters turned off the buffer space between where it cuts
>> of text on the left and the scroll bar on the right is huge.
>> 1. Click Manage views...
>> 2. Expand all views in Mange Views window (important)
>> 3. Select all views (Ctrl+A)
>> 4. Uncheck "Show Counters" on the right.
>>
>> Since there will be no counters on views panel all space will be used by
>> view caption. I've just checked it and it works as expected.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Andrey.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 10:59:16 AM UTC+3, Hugo Sharp wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes i’ve been meaning to request this. Even with all counters turned off
>>> the buffer space between where it cuts of text on the left and the scroll
>>> bar on the right is huge. Can this be reduced to zero or close to it? This
>>> would be a huge boon for small screens.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> imaj...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2019 8:43 am
>>> *To:* mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* [MLO] need use space on screen, hide counters
>>>
>>> I have MLO 5.0.4
>>> It still does not allow me to see the names of things on left side
>>> because a huge space is reserved for a counter I do not want to see.
>>> I found options in manage views to not show counters, but that changes
>>> nothing. I really do not have enough space on my screen to always hide the
>>> words so you can show me the blank counts and I do not want to see them
>>> even if they are not blank.
>>>
>>> Please fix this!
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