Re: [newbie] Using LAME for ripping audio from Cd's
- Original Message - From: "Heather/Femme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 15:35 Subject: Re: [newbie] Using LAME for ripping audio from Cd's > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:16:00 -0600 > "Charlie M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Scrape yourself off the ceiling and actually *look* at the tools you > > have at hand kid, you can do this. > > > > Charlie > > - -- > > *laughs* off the ceiling huh? > > lol! thanks for the mental image. > > mmm so I'm just trying to understand everything before I try using the > packages... > > ty... Guess I'll try poking around in Lame & perhaps K3B or Grip... tho > I despise cli stuff like this...too many variables to remember to type > out. shrugs, least till I learn it better... > > thx for your help everyone... I shall try ripping/burning a few > tommorow. :) well, lame is jam-packed full of options for advanced users, but supposed using the -r3mix parameter is a really good compromise between quality and ease-of-use. the author justifies his views and the -r3mix settings at (surprise surprise) www.r3mix.net and i must admit, i'm sold. hope this helps Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Article: 9/11-themed viruses hit the Net
- Original Message - From: "Eric Huff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 09:59 Subject: Re: [newbie] Article: 9/11-themed viruses hit the Net > > > So, does that mean that in windows a jpg can contain a virus, too? > > > > I think they're refering to the attachment itself which probably has a > > double extension like xxx.jpg.pif > > Most ppl's wincomps don't show the second extension, and away they > > go. > > > > I suppose you could hide some executable code in a picture > > but AFAIK you'd need at minimum some sort of code like .html to start > > it. > > Ok, that makes sense. I thought i might have to add to my list yet > another way in which windows could mees people up. > > As for hiding extensions, that is one choice i often wish people didn't > have... (i hate when i have to help a coworker who has that turned on) can't be help. turn it on, then turn it back off. can you imagine when i attempted to help someone, and after that, she complained that her computer was "so messy" cos i forgot to set to default values hide system files and show file extensions in XP? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Installing video card driver.
Hi, After I install my video card driver and try log into the desktop I get an error message. It says things about check www.xfree86.org for upgrades, that the server failed, and it kept saying stuff about the agpgart module was not found or the agpgart was having problems. Does anybody know what the problem is? From, Steven _ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:57:06 -0400, "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes - I saw that. I'm just amazed at the difference! Do you think he really > added all that much? (I know he does have a great reputation for this). * He's packaged version 1.3, not 1.2. * If you use Texstar's packages with any regularity, you have all those other dependencies (all KDE 3.1.3 stuff) anyway. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
On Sunday 14 September 2003 10:25 pm, HaywireMac wrote: > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:09:49 -0400 > > "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > Wow - I'm not using Texstar and it wasn't nearly that bad. It went > > like this: > > which I pointed out...it was probably because of the way Texstar built > it. :-\ Yes - I saw that. I'm just amazed at the difference! Do you think he really added all that much? (I know he does have a great reputation for this). -- /\ Dark>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:09:49 -0400 "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > Wow - I'm not using Texstar and it wasn't nearly that bad. It went > like this: which I pointed out...it was probably because of the way Texstar built it. :-\ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]# urpmi bibletime > One of the following packages is needed: > 1- libsword1-1.5.5-2mdk.i586 > 2- sword-1.5.5-2mdk.i586 > What is your choice? (1-2) 1 > To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be > installed (2 MB): > bibletime-1.2.2-1mdk.i586 > libsword1-1.5.5-2mdk.i586 > Is this OK? (Y/n) y which illustrates why advised him to update his sources and use urpmi, not install from source. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ For your penance, say five Hail Marys and one loud BLAH! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
On Sunday 14 September 2003 12:14 pm, HaywireMac wrote: > I did a urpmi --test bibletime just to see what the dependencies were, > and it's ridiculous, to say the least: Wow - I'm not using Texstar and it wasn't nearly that bad. It went like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] darklord]# urpmi bibletime One of the following packages is needed: 1- libsword1-1.5.5-2mdk.i586 2- sword-1.5.5-2mdk.i586 What is your choice? (1-2) 1 To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed (2 MB): bibletime-1.2.2-1mdk.i586 libsword1-1.5.5-2mdk.i586 Is this OK? (Y/n) y ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/unix/linux/distributions/Mandrake/9.1/contrib/RPMS/bibletime-1.2.2-1mdk.i586.rpm ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/unix/linux/distributions/Mandrake/9.1/contrib/RPMS/libsword1-1.5.5-2mdk.i586.rpm installing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/bibletime-1.2.2-1mdk.i586.rpm /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libsword1-1.5.5-2mdk.i586.rpm Preparing...## 1:libsword1 ## 2:bibletime ## -- /\ Dark>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to low level format a hard disk?
On Sunday 14 September 2003 02:07 pm, Charlie M. wrote: > I don't have any excuses other than the fact that I will always call > myself a "gnubie" no matter how many years I use Mandrake or whatever > distribution I'm beating to death at the moment. > > Still learning. > Charlie Understood - and I'm right with ya - been saying for a long time that I was a 'Nix newbie yesterday, today and surely tomorrow :-) -- /\ Dark>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to low level format a hard disk?
On Sunday 14 September 2003 11:09 am, ed tharp wrote: > of course you are referring to linux fdisk, which is a different critter > than "evil Empire" fdisk, which is so lame as to be only useable on > 'eE'© File system disks... But of course! -- /\ Dark>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Wonderful World of Linux 2.6
Richard Urwin wrote: It seems only 2.4 comes with 9.2 So what is involved in installing a 2.6 kernel? Would someone like to give us frightened newbies a quick rundown on how it's done? Will it lead to dependency hell etc.? or is it as easy as installing it from rpm? or is it a matter of building from source but everything will work? There's stuff in 2.6 that I don't want to wait until 10.0 for. I feel very similaly .. 2.4 multimedia kernel might contain some stuff .. but I'm not sure ... I'm a begginer too ... I don't expect it too be VERY hard .. it's just that .. well .. I have a download problem ... so I can't use urpmi all that much ... however I can download unlimited from other places nt from my computer .. so I'm wondering ... any way I could obtain an exact list of dependencies of what I'd need starting out with 9.2 to install a 2.6 kernel? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] I think I just shot myself........................
Hi All, I attempted to install the developement packages but kept getting an error that read: "The signature "package" is not correct - no GPG signature in package. I choose 'yes' to install anyway. In the middle of the whole final install show, it pops up with some unresovled dependancies (from my CD mind you) and says instalation aborted. Now, no KDE. I tried to reinstall the KDE stuff (have no clue why or how it broke) and got the same signature error in several of them so I canceled it. (What is that goofy error anyway?) In my tinkering with linux these past few years, this makes the second time I have killed KDE (kinda sensative isn't it?). I'm thinkin maybe I should just dl 9.1 and start from scratch. For a personal home computer, what is the advantages of haveing multiple partitions intead of one big one? Thanks Russ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 2.6 kernel
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:49:55 -0500 John Drouhard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I am running cooker, and I just merely installed the kernel from > the mandrake rpm on the contrib source. I guess I wanted to try it > because it is supposed to be faster in loading applications such as > mozilla. I guess I'll just have to wait until everything has moved to > the 2.6 kernel permanently. Hmm, I wouldn't go as far as saying that just because you have the latest kernel your apps run faster. It's all about your architecture on your computer, and whether you specified your processor specs in your gcc when both the kernel, libs, and all that goes with Mozilla was compiled. It's not justa matter of upgrading a kernel and noticing a difference. If you are really into performance, and you know what options to use / not to use in gcc, then I suggest Gentoo, this way you can build a whole OS and programs specific to your hardware, which will obviously be faster than per-compiled binaries for an average system. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying that Mandrake is slow (or I wouldn't be using it either), but that if it's speed you want, then consider your other options. I know there was an article a while back on slashdot supposedly proving that Gentoo isn't faster, but this has been argued till the point where the facts remain that the tests were not run in a fair environment, the systems were not running the same versions of the software tested, and that even the gcc versions used to compile the binaries was different, umong many other points which definitly makea difference. As for your idea of waiting until 2.6 gets used as standard, well I would not hold your breath John. The 2.6 kernel had had a total makeover, different techniques of modules loading / creation / running. It is still way too unstable to consider running a stable system on. It's more for the wanna-be geeks who want to run the latest of the latest, and yes Isay wanna-be because a so-called real geek would compile it himself, LOL, and deinitely not run a pre-compiled beta of the heart of his system ;-) It does supprise me though that Mandrake is including it in at least the betas of the new release. I'm curios to know they intentions for this. > Thanks anyway. Sure, no problem. Btw, if my last post seemed aggressive, it was, but not at you .. just had an irritating day of spam, spam, and more spam, umong a shitty internet connection and so on ;-) .. my appologies for this if I offended you. Greetings Ralph -- http://axljab.homelinux.org/ "...the software said Win95 or better, so I installed Linux" pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] 9.2 RC2
On Sunday 14 September 2003 08:32, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: > Is anyone reading my posts? > > urpmi -v --auto-select --allow-nodeps --allow-force --no-verify-rpm Wasn't really my point I was just trying to show how Mandrake ppl/coders try to protect us. The "rm"/alias example was just that, an example. Urpmi is a program written for and by mandrake and has the same "handholding" machineries embedded in it. That's all, no big deal! I was trying to put a feather up theirs, not putting you down:o) BTW "--allow nodeps" is OK, "--allow force" is asking for troubleunless you like it of course. Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 2.6 kernel
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:43:27 +0200 Ralph Slooten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:28:00 -0500 > John Drouhard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How can I get ALSA to work with the new 2.6 kernel. Or any sound at > > all would be okay. When I first fired up the new kernel it had some > > sound errors. I cant remember any of the others, but there were > > some. I hope to completely migrate over to it if I can get > > everything to run nicely. I use Cooker (newest as of last night). > > Thanks > > > > John Drouhard > > John, did you install the new programs required to load the failed > attempt of 2.6, or just blindly descide to download, compile and run > it? I believe this would be modutils, however the newer version cannot > load old versions (2.4 etc) and actually has problems loading the 2.6 > too. But then again, I guess you just blindly descided upon this. What > are you trying to achieve by running an unstable, incomplete and a > very badly "talked-about" kernel version? > > Just know what you are getting yourself into before doing it, as you > are more likely to run home crying that to get everything working the > way you want ;-) Many things do not work in the 2.6, and also many > things work differently in this release. It is not a matter of > updating and running, but I guess you knew this before hand ;-) > Well, I am running cooker, and I just merely installed the kernel from the mandrake rpm on the contrib source. I guess I wanted to try it because it is supposed to be faster in loading applications such as mozilla. I guess I'll just have to wait until everything has moved to the 2.6 kernel permanently. Thanks anyway. John Drouhard -- Sun Sep 14 15:48:07 CDT 2003 - They told me to install Windows 98 or better, so I installed Linux. Registered Linux User # 315649 Registered Machine # 201001 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Scanning Images
Marco Verheul wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 13:58, John Richard Smith wrote: I got all the right sane packages installed. I got both Gnome and KDE installed and i'm runing Gnome right know. My problem is this: when i used to scan an image on a Windows machine I had real crappy scanning software (if you installed in english, you got a spanish version...) but when i scanned an image and printed it, it came out with exactly the same dimensions. Now when I scan at a resolution of 600 i get a huge image, so it seems Kooka as well as Xsane handle this matter differently. I use Kover to scale the images in such a way it fits a jewel case. Am i missing a point here? Marco To tell the truth I have never used kooka before, I have managed to scan an image with kooka, but at the moment I don't know where it puts the image file. I choose 600dpi, colour, and bmp, and the preview seemed ok , I was able to select the chosen area, and final scan to a file. Kooka appears to have a print tab and a scaling window. I guess these might be used to produce a printout. Sorry , but my knowledge of kooka is slight. If you have all the sane packages installed you want to create a start menu- multimedia- graphics - Xsane entry if there isn't one already, which I think there may well be. If so ,and your likely to be using the scanner frequently, drag the start menu Icon to desktop and thereby create a desktop Icon. Click on Xsane and run the sane scanner programme. Mine is straight forward, choose the 600 dpi setting, colour, A4 paper size(if you are European) do a preliminary scan, select the chosen area to be final scanned and save .pnm image file to choice of directory. That should give you a good quality image file to print off in something like gimp. If your not getting a good quality image file I would suspect your scanner is not set up right in sane backends. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
On Sunday 14 Sep 2003 4:04 pm, Russ wrote: > Hi All, > > I attempted to install BibleTime from an rpm designed for mdk9.1 because > they had none for 9.0 (which I am running). I recieved several failed > dependancies. I was able to get an answer from them and was told I would > probably need to compile it from a source code. > > I have never done this but I guess I should learn if I am going to be > running Linux. I would appreciate it if someone could kinda walk me > through it since I really have no clue as to where to begin. > > Here is the directory for the downloads: > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=954 > > For starters, do I need the source .bz2 or the source .gz (or does it > really matter?) > > Thanks > Russ There is an RPM for Bibletime for Mandrake 9.0 that was made for Mandrake Club. You can find an RPM here ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/unsupported/MandrakeClub/9.0/i586 HTH derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 2.6 kernel
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:28:00 -0500 John Drouhard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How can I get ALSA to work with the new 2.6 kernel. Or any sound at all > would be okay. When I first fired up the new kernel it had some sound > errors. I cant remember any of the others, but there were some. I hope > to completely migrate over to it if I can get everything to run nicely. > I use Cooker (newest as of last night). Thanks > > John Drouhard John, did you install the new programs required to load the failed attempt of 2.6, or just blindly descide to download, compile and run it? I believe this would be modutils, however the newer version cannot load old versions (2.4 etc) and actually has problems loading the 2.6 too. But then again, I guess you just blindly descided upon this. What are you trying to achieve by running an unstable, incomplete and a very badly "talked-about" kernel version? Just know what you are getting yourself into before doing it, as you are more likely to run home crying that to get everything working the way you want ;-) Many things do not work in the 2.6, and also many things work differently in this release. It is not a matter of updating and running, but I guess you knew this before hand ;-) Greetings Ralph -- http://axljab.homelinux.org/ "...the software said Win95 or better, so I installed Linux" pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[newbie] KDE Systray Icons
Hi All I have a Noia icon them as my default. However in my KDE system tray the icons are not Noia. I just notice that since Noia 1.0 have new kget icon. Since, Noia does not have 24pix icons, according to spec 24x24 is the size of systray icons, this what causing it, so how can I change system tray icons size to 22x22. An other solution I see, is to generate 24x24 size icons out of 32x32 but then I need some script to get 100+ *.png files in several directories to change the size. Where should I dig to solve it? TFM, HOWTOS, Links are welcome. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Scanning Images
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 13:58, John Richard Smith wrote: > Marco Verheul wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I'm strugling with scanning images. I'd like to scan a CD cover, so that > >i can save it with the same dimension as the real thing. > > > >What i tried is to scan a cover with Kooka at a resolution of 600. Then > >i loaded the picture in Kover where the images is resized again. I > >figured since i used a high resolution the image would look sharp, but > >it is kind of hazy. > > > >Can anybody give me some idea's how to do it right, or where i can find > >a good online tutorial on scanning. > > > >Marco > > > > > > > > > You don't give us much to go on really. What make of scanner sre you > using, are you in Mandrake with kde desktop, and do you have sane > installed. Indeed, why are you not scanning with sane as your image file > creation tool ? Well that is what I would use. Then when I have that > working and producing good quality image files, which in linux are .pnm > files I would then use an image display and manipulation programme like > gimp to finalise them and print off from there. > > To check up on what sane packages you have installed, do, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# rpm -qa | grep sane > xsane-0.90-2mdk > sane-backends-1.0.11-5mdk > libsane1-1.0.11-5mdk > sane-frontends-1.0.10-1mdk > > The guts of sane is, sane-backends-1.0.11-5mdk , and libsane1-1.0.11-5mdk. > > xsane-0.90-2mdk and sane-frontends-1.0.10-1mdk are the graphical front > ends that most of us use to do the practical work. > > When your've got sane up and working well we can move on from there. > > Just to give you a flavour of what sane looks like I attatch an image > file of the desktop with sane up and running. > > John > > John > > > John, I got all the right sane packages installed. I got both Gnome and KDE installed and i'm runing Gnome right know. My problem is this: when i used to scan an image on a Windows machine I had real crappy scanning software (if you installed in english, you got a spanish version...) but when i scanned an image and printed it, it came out with exactly the same dimensions. Now when I scan at a resolution of 600 i get a huge image, so it seems Kooka as well as Xsane handle this matter differently. I use Kover to scale the images in such a way it fits a jewel case. Am i missing a point here? Marco -- "Tell me about these oppressed masses. What's got them so worked up ?" "They're upset, sir, because they are so poor that they are forced to have children merely to provide a cheap alternative to turkey at Christmas." Registered Linux user #268279 * This message is composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] 2.6 kernel
How can I get ALSA to work with the new 2.6 kernel. Or any sound at all would be okay. When I first fired up the new kernel it had some sound errors. I cant remember any of the others, but there were some. I hope to completely migrate over to it if I can get everything to run nicely. I use Cooker (newest as of last night). Thanks John Drouhard -- Sun Sep 14 13:26:21 CDT 2003 - They told me to install Windows 98 or better, so I installed Linux. Registered Linux User # 315649 Registered Machine # 201001 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to low level format a hard disk?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 14, 2003 08:31 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Sunday 14 September 2003 03:30 am, Charlie M. wrote: > > Depends on the drive and the circumstances. A year ago a friend > > acquired a 13 GB Maxtor drive that was about a year old. It had > > been data storage for someone she knew, the data files were all > > encrypted and couldn't be wiped. Format wouldn't touch it, "Invalid > > partition table" and the drive was at that point worthless so what > > did she have to lose? Nobody knew the encryption key. I hooked it > > to my system with no drives connected but that one and used the low > > level format in the BIOS to recondition the drive. Took just over 4 > > hours, but it worked. Then I installed Mandrake 9.0 on it for her. > > I have a question here - if its partition table related, wouldn't > fdisk be able to handle it? I'm just asking here, I really don't > know. I know its helped with a lot of dual-booting drives here when > Windoze fscked something or the other up and we couldn't do anything > else with it. Maybe it would have Dark Lord. The problem was the original 6.5 GB drive in my friend's system was being replaced with the 13 GB, plus I was adding a new 80 GB. At least the fdisk that runs in GNU/Linux. Or disk-drake. Not the Windows 98 SE fdisk, which she needed (at the time) to be installed first. I tried it according to my journal notes. I hadn't at that time realized that I could use the diskdrake portion of a Mandrake installation to do almost anything I liked to the drives connected to the motherboard; and then install from there. I just re-checked my notes, it was actually a bit over 2 years ago that I installed the drives in her system. Time flies when you're havin' fun...;-) I can honestly say I shouldn't have bothered fighting with it since the last time I spoke to her (Friday) she was asking how to recover the space, since she hasn't booted Windows for "months and months!" I don't have any excuses other than the fact that I will always call myself a "gnubie" no matter how many years I use Mandrake or whatever distribution I'm beating to death at the moment. Still learning. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 11:55:09 up 19:48, 1 user, load average: 0.84, 0.65, 0.51 FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #31 A: Chicken Teriyaki. Q: What is the name of the world's oldest kamikaze pilot? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ZK55G11CaRuZZSIRAo7hAJsEl3HJmxGFRg1D0QKqZeBUoBzS1QCfc1C8 2ytJmB59H5AUwTF1PkdJRig= =3TFY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Teach yourself unix in 24 hours
> tom $ loci rute C'mon, tell us the alias! :) -- Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT, was 9.2 RC2
> Did I mention that I live in Australia? > We try very hard to do what's called "conserve" energy here...as in > drying our clothing on a "line" outside; as in having two different > ways to flush a toilet Wow, a buddy of mine and i have always said we should have that. No need for a #2 amount of water for a #1 amount of load... -- Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 10:52, Charlie M. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > September 14, 2003 06:24 am, ed tharp wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 03:41, Charlie M. wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > September 14, 2003 01:15 am, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: > > > > > I'm happy to know I ain't the "Old Timer" on this list. 46 a > > > > > week ago today is young compared to you and Tom. > > > > > > > > > > Just kidding! I do agree about the colour on those web site > > > > > though. Not enough contrast. > > > > > > > > > > Charlie > > > > > > > > I must be a spring chicken at 27. :-) > > > > > > > > I also agree about the color. It offends my sense of style and > > > > usability. Form and function are equally important. > > > > > > Whippersnapper! > > > > > > Gotta watch for we old farts around here Brant. Youth and > > > enthusiasm is never a match for experience and treachery. > > > > > > "Trust me." > > > > > > When did web designers (or many others for all that) ever pay > > > attention to form and function when they could have what they think > > > is glitz and pizazz? > > > > hell ain't that what the "www" is all about? "glitz and pizazz". I > > still kinda miss the days it was all about substance and text... like > > before 1992. when knowing background colors did not mean a thing, but > > ascii art was what _reallly_ mattered. > > Waxing nostalgic _is_ fun isn't it? lol But I like the fact that HTML > can help convey a depth that text and ascii art can't. > > Now if web designers would realize that what seems "eye catching and > expressive" to them is what some people would call a pointless waste of > bandwidth they might just design pages that get the message and any > emotional context they're striving for across without giving all us old > farts eye strain and/or a freakin' headache! > > To say nothing of the fact that all that glitz and pizazz, and those > flashing screaming colours, are a bit tough to take for epileptics. > > I know, it's unlikely. Style over substance is why we have so many > utterly stupid ad campaigns and "reality TV" programs. > > Charlie > - -- > Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org > Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk > 11:41:13 up 19:34, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.32, 0.33 > Everything ends badly. Otherwise it wouldn't end. > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/ZKr2G11CaRuZZSIRAkVkAJ4rBcO+tFON5O3bLHuisliIeOjDxwCgkIf7 > L48RyqjadRvsBjQ/JBhoZXI= > =odJb > -END PGP SIGNATURE- Part of the problem seems to be the "Artistic urge " but like modern art they tend to forget that the purpose of Art is t0o communicate, and if the viewer can't understand it then the Arteste has failed to communicate. > > > > __ > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 14, 2003 06:24 am, ed tharp wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 03:41, Charlie M. wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > September 14, 2003 01:15 am, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: > > > > I'm happy to know I ain't the "Old Timer" on this list. 46 a > > > > week ago today is young compared to you and Tom. > > > > > > > > Just kidding! I do agree about the colour on those web site > > > > though. Not enough contrast. > > > > > > > > Charlie > > > > > > I must be a spring chicken at 27. :-) > > > > > > I also agree about the color. It offends my sense of style and > > > usability. Form and function are equally important. > > > > Whippersnapper! > > > > Gotta watch for we old farts around here Brant. Youth and > > enthusiasm is never a match for experience and treachery. > > > > "Trust me." > > > > When did web designers (or many others for all that) ever pay > > attention to form and function when they could have what they think > > is glitz and pizazz? > > hell ain't that what the "www" is all about? "glitz and pizazz". I > still kinda miss the days it was all about substance and text... like > before 1992. when knowing background colors did not mean a thing, but > ascii art was what _reallly_ mattered. Waxing nostalgic _is_ fun isn't it? lol But I like the fact that HTML can help convey a depth that text and ascii art can't. Now if web designers would realize that what seems "eye catching and expressive" to them is what some people would call a pointless waste of bandwidth they might just design pages that get the message and any emotional context they're striving for across without giving all us old farts eye strain and/or a freakin' headache! To say nothing of the fact that all that glitz and pizazz, and those flashing screaming colours, are a bit tough to take for epileptics. I know, it's unlikely. Style over substance is why we have so many utterly stupid ad campaigns and "reality TV" programs. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 11:41:13 up 19:34, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.32, 0.33 Everything ends badly. Otherwise it wouldn't end. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ZKr2G11CaRuZZSIRAkVkAJ4rBcO+tFON5O3bLHuisliIeOjDxwCgkIf7 L48RyqjadRvsBjQ/JBhoZXI= =odJb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
On Sunday 14 September 2003 04:07 pm, Russ wrote: > One glitch here, how can I tell if this is installed? It may > not be since I may have figure this had something to do with > writing software when I installed MD and I may have chosen not > to. I'm not sure though since it was so long ago that I did > it. > > Thanks > Russ > > Kaj Haulrich wrote: > >Now, first of all, make sure you have the *development* > > packages installed, especially gcc (the GNU C Compiler - > > assuming Bibletime is written in C). > > > > > >Kaj Haulrich. Just open the Mandrake Control Center, go to *install software* and if the development tools show up here, they aren't installed. Install them right away. Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdk Sent to you from a 100 % MicroSCOft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
Dennis Myers wrote: On Sunday 14 September 2003 02:00 am, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 13, 2003 05:32 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 17:02, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday September 13 2003 10:46 am, Aron Smith wrote: Why do so many people in the Linux community think that it is cool to use a black or purple or dark blue background on their web sites? My 60 year old eyes can't take it. Jeez, I didn't know you were THAT OLD Aron. Heck, I'm a youngin' at 55 ;ppp So you LIKE dark blue on Black ?? I'm happy to know I ain't the "Old Timer" on this list. 46 a week ago today is young compared to you and Tom. Just kidding! I do agree about the colour on those web site though. Not enough contrast. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 00:58:48 up 8:51, 1 user, load average: 0.48, 0.34, 0.56 The future is a race between education and catastrophe. -- H.G. Wells -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ZBIaG11CaRuZZSIRArHQAKCNwlXP2DqpNckS9dsoQGr9Up/8TgCeL7bF nVjZXmYyNau5wpE6umQh5T4= =jZ6P -END PGP SIGNATURE- I'm running in the middle of the pack at 56, just wish I had become more interested in computing at a lot earlier age or had more time to reedumacate my self. But Hey, at least I was there for the "Dawning of Aquarius". : ) Hey, me too. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
On Sunday September 14 2003 10:04 am, Russ wrote: > Hi All, > > I attempted to install BibleTime from an rpm designed for mdk9.1 > because they had none for 9.0 (which I am running). I recieved > several failed dependancies. I was able to get an answer from > them and was told I would probably need to compile it from a > source code. Probly, but before you go with a tarball, try to find a Mandrake src.rpm. I just looked an found one for 9.2, so they must exist. Try an find one closest to version 9.0 and, as root rpm --rebuild bibletime-1.2.2-2mdk.src.rpm (that's the 9.2 cooker version, it probly won't work) If that doesn't work out for you, then you'll need to learn about compiling from source tarballs. Start here, read all 3 pages http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/basics/bsource.html Hint, when you believe you're ready to compile, use ./configure --prefix=/usr rather than just plain ./configure That'll put the binaries created in directories normally used by Mandrake. Otherwise the program will probly put 'em in /usr/local You'll probly have more questions after readin mandrakeuser, so holler back ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 08:04:29 -0700 Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > I attempted to install BibleTime from an rpm designed for mdk9.1 > because they had none for 9.0 (which I am running). I recieved several > failed dependancies. I was able to get an answer from them and was > told I would probably need to compile it from a source code. > > I have never done this but I guess I should learn if I am going to be > running Linux. I would appreciate it if someone could kinda walk me > through it since I really have no clue as to where to begin. Installing from source is going to be *even more difficult*, because you will not have urpmi to resolve the dependencies for you. I did a urpmi --test bibletime just to see what the dependencies were, and it's ridiculous, to say the least: To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed (134 MB): bibletime-1.3-1tex.i586 kdebase-3.1.3-4tex.i586 kdebase-devel-3.1.3-4tex.i586 kdebase-nsplugins-3.1.3-4tex.i586 kdelibs-3.1.3-9.1tex.i586 kdelibs-common-3.1.3-9.1tex.i586 kdelibs-devel-3.1.3-9.1tex.i586 liblame0-3.93.1-4plf.i586 libqt3-3.1.2-9.1tex.i586 libqt3-common-3.1.2-9.1tex.i586 libqt3-devel-3.1.2-9.1tex.i586 libsword1-1.5.6-1tex.i586 notlame-3.93.1-2.1plf.i586 now, this could be because Tex has built the package with a lot of extra features, so I downloaded the source myself, and I could not get it to build, and I have just about every devel library there is. It failed on the sword devel library, so I installed that, it still failed, wrong version. and then you are still going to have to install libcrypto, etc. like you saw before, when you were trying to install from rpm. go back to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php, configure your sources for 9.0, follow the simple instructions, and you should be able to install using urpmi. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it. -- Oscar Wilde, "The Portrait of Mr. W.H." Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Scanning Images
ed tharp wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 12:04, John Richard Smith wrote: ed tharp wrote: you know you 'can' scan from within gimp... if you have all the packages installed if you have the xsane-gimp and xsane installed it should anyway. That is quite true, you can scan withing gimp , but right now the problem is to get sane to scan correctly at all. The original messagee complained about the quality of the result. I wanted to make sure sane is installed( behind the programme he is using is almost certainly sane backends) properly and set up for his make model of scanner. John yep, think the quality problem is most likely rooted in the size he is scanning the image to, then reducing it and then saving it in some other format, every step degrading some,,, but 600dpi 'ought to be' a big enough file to start with. I agree, 600 dpi is quite suffient to replicate a CD cover. So something is messing up. I wanted to make sure the make and model is supported in sane backends first. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
On Sunday 14 September 2003 03:49 pm, Richard Urwin wrote: > On Sunday 14 Sep 2003 6:41 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > On Sunday 14 September 2003 03:04 pm, Russ wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I attempted to install BibleTime from an rpm designed for > > > mdk9.1 because they had none for 9.0 (which I am running). > > > I recieved several failed dependancies. I was able to get > > > an answer from them and was told I would probably need to > > > compile it from a source code. > > > > > > I have never done this but I guess I should learn if I am > > > going to be running Linux. I would appreciate it if > > > someone could kinda walk me through it since I really have > > > no clue as to where to begin. > > > > > > Here is the directory for the downloads: > > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=95 > > > >4 > > > > > > For starters, do I need the source .bz2 or the source .gz > > > (or does it really matter?) > > > > > > Thanks > > > Russ > > > > The compressed format doesn't matter. If you use Konqueror > > as a file manager, just right-click a compressed file and > > choose something like *extract here*. This will create a > > directory within the actual directory i.e. > > /Home/russ/bibletime. > > > > Within that directory you'll probably find a file named > > *configure*. > > > > Now, first of all, make sure you have the *development* > > packages installed, especially gcc (the GNU C Compiler - > > assuming Bibletime is written in C). > > > > Then, download a platform-independent version of the > > program, extract it as described and go into that directory. > > Read the *README* and *other help files* files. > > > > Normally, all you have to do now, is to issue the command > > (as root) : *./configure* (if the program is well-written > > this will figure out how your box is set up). Watch the > > progress. > > > > If everything is O.K., then issue the command : *make*. > > > > Finally, issue the command : *install* or *make install* > > according to the *README* file. > > > > HTH > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > IME, only the "make install" needs to be done as root. In fact > it's bad to build the package as root, because that will leave > root owning all the intermediate files. > You are absolutely correct, sorry ! > I notice there's a src.rpm on the website. I've never used > one, but might this be a better way to go? Yes, I think so, but never tried it. Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdk Sent to you from a 100 % MicroSCOft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
One glitch here, how can I tell if this is installed? It may not be since I may have figure this had something to do with writing software when I installed MD and I may have chosen not to. I'm not sure though since it was so long ago that I did it. Thanks Russ Kaj Haulrich wrote: Now, first of all, make sure you have the *development* packages installed, especially gcc (the GNU C Compiler - assuming Bibletime is written in C). Kaj Haulrich. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
Although I do not know exactly what an src.rpm file is, I do know that that was in the KDE2.0 list and not the KDE3. However, the directions given to install this from the source do not seem to be all that difficult so I am going to give it a go sometime this evening. I'll let you know how it turns out Thanks for the help Russ Richard Urwin wrote: I notice there's a src.rpm on the website. I've never used one, but might this be a better way to go? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] USB memory stick/ Gnome2.4 install?
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 11:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello all > For those of you who helped me with my memory stick problem, I think it's a > non-issue for now. I think my usb ports are dead. not to sound stupider than usual, but how do you know the ports are dead? > Which is not a bad thing since I can justify buying a new pc now to my wife. :) > This one is fairly old. But thanks for your help, anyway. > > My new task is trying to upgrade from Gnome2.2 to 2.4 . When I go out to the Gnome > website, I just get confused on what to do. Does anyone know if there are any rpms > or any other easy way to download and install Gnome2.4? > > Thanks > Jack > > __ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
On Sunday 14 Sep 2003 6:41 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Sunday 14 September 2003 03:04 pm, Russ wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I attempted to install BibleTime from an rpm designed for > > mdk9.1 because they had none for 9.0 (which I am running). I > > recieved several failed dependancies. I was able to get an > > answer from them and was told I would probably need to compile > > it from a source code. > > > > I have never done this but I guess I should learn if I am > > going to be running Linux. I would appreciate it if someone > > could kinda walk me through it since I really have no clue as > > to where to begin. > > > > Here is the directory for the downloads: > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=954 > > > > For starters, do I need the source .bz2 or the source .gz (or > > does it really matter?) > > > > Thanks > > Russ > > The compressed format doesn't matter. If you use Konqueror as a > file manager, just right-click a compressed file and choose > something like *extract here*. This will create a directory > within the actual directory i.e. /Home/russ/bibletime. > > Within that directory you'll probably find a file named > *configure*. > > Now, first of all, make sure you have the *development* packages > installed, especially gcc (the GNU C Compiler - assuming > Bibletime is written in C). > > Then, download a platform-independent version of the program, > extract it as described and go into that directory. Read the > *README* and *other help files* files. > > Normally, all you have to do now, is to issue the command (as > root) : *./configure* (if the program is well-written this will > figure out how your box is set up). Watch the progress. > > If everything is O.K., then issue the command : *make*. > > Finally, issue the command : *install* or *make install* > according to the *README* file. > > HTH > > Kaj Haulrich. IME, only the "make install" needs to be done as root. In fact it's bad to build the package as root, because that will leave root owning all the intermediate files. I notice there's a src.rpm on the website. I've never used one, but might this be a better way to go? -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Wonderful World of Linux 2.6
On Sunday 14 Sep 2003 2:29 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: > 9.2 will come with all these kernels > http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MdkKernel92 > They will either be on the install CD or in the 'Contrib' folder if > an online mirror ( How to add a Contrib source to urpmi has been > posted many times) > > You can install as many kernels as you please. There will be an entry > for each of them in your lilo screen. It seems only 2.4 comes with 9.2 So what is involved in installing a 2.6 kernel? Would someone like to give us frightened newbies a quick rundown on how it's done? Will it lead to dependency hell etc.? or is it as easy as installing it from rpm? or is it a matter of building from source but everything will work? There's stuff in 2.6 that I don't want to wait until 10.0 for. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
On Sunday 14 September 2003 03:04 pm, Russ wrote: > Hi All, > > I attempted to install BibleTime from an rpm designed for > mdk9.1 because they had none for 9.0 (which I am running). I > recieved several failed dependancies. I was able to get an > answer from them and was told I would probably need to compile > it from a source code. > > I have never done this but I guess I should learn if I am > going to be running Linux. I would appreciate it if someone > could kinda walk me through it since I really have no clue as > to where to begin. > > Here is the directory for the downloads: > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=954 > > For starters, do I need the source .bz2 or the source .gz (or > does it really matter?) > > Thanks > Russ The compressed format doesn't matter. If you use Konqueror as a file manager, just right-click a compressed file and choose something like *extract here*. This will create a directory within the actual directory i.e. /Home/russ/bibletime. Within that directory you'll probably find a file named *configure*. Now, first of all, make sure you have the *development* packages installed, especially gcc (the GNU C Compiler - assuming Bibletime is written in C). Then, download a platform-independent version of the program, extract it as described and go into that directory. Read the *README* and *other help files* files. Normally, all you have to do now, is to issue the command (as root) : *./configure* (if the program is well-written this will figure out how your box is set up). Watch the progress. If everything is O.K., then issue the command : *make*. Finally, issue the command : *install* or *make install* according to the *README* file. HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdk Sent to you from a 100 % MicroSCOft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] USB memory stick/ Gnome2.4 install?
Hello all For those of you who helped me with my memory stick problem, I think it's a non-issue for now. I think my usb ports are dead. Which is not a bad thing since I can justify buying a new pc now to my wife. :) This one is fairly old. But thanks for your help, anyway. My new task is trying to upgrade from Gnome2.2 to 2.4 . When I go out to the Gnome website, I just get confused on what to do. Does anyone know if there are any rpms or any other easy way to download and install Gnome2.4? Thanks Jack __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 RC2
On Sunday September 14 2003 01:32 am, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: > Tom Brinkman wrote: > > Anyway, ya just gotta ask yourself why t'hell you would want, > > or would need to regularly update everything with force an > > nodeps in the first place (?) Specially cooker > Is anyone reading my posts? Yes, I know --allow-force != --force, if nothin goes wrong, if it works as it's supposed to, if the mirrors aren't borked. You haven't had any updates in the last month or so remove most of KDE, without asking? Remove other files, links, and even directories, without askin? > Let me say it again. When you run the command above it will try > to install the packages. If it runs into a dependency it can't > resolve it asks me if I want to try to install the offending > package without checking for dependencies. I say yes or no > depending on what the package is and what the possible effects > would be of allowing it to do so. If I say no it exits. If I > say yes it then tries to install the packages without checking > for dependencies. If it still cannot do it because of a conflict > with an already installed package it asks if I want to force the > install. I again have the option of saying Y or n. If I say no > it exits. If I say yes it installs the package without checking > anything. It forces it to install without any regard for > breaking dependencies or conflicting with existing packages. So I ask again, why do you believe that usin --allow-force and --allow-nodeps regularly is a good idea? I'm sure you know what you're doin, but IMO, it's dangerous, and could be misconstrued by a lot of newbie cookers as a good thing to do regularly. It's not. It's not even a good thing to do in the few cases it's needed. Better to switch mirrors, get the src.rpm and rebuild it, or wait till the problem is fixed in cooker and/or on the mirrors. I believe since cooker unfroze shortly after 9.1 release, I've needed/used either --allow option all of about twice. And then just waitin a day or so for new updates on the mirrors would've made --allow-* unnecessary. > used absentmindedly. You have to think about what you are doing > when you add that extra option (-f). I have. I added it a long time ago when the mirrors were worse than they are now. It only gets the synthesis.hdlist download (a few extra seconds), needed or not. I did it because the hdlist wasn't being updated even tho the one in ../base on the mirror was newer. Due to upgrades in urpmi and perl-URPM, it no longer seems to have any effect and isn't needed. I've been meaning to take it out. But it can't/doesn't hurt anything to leave it in either. urpmi.update -a -f --wget && urpmi --wget --no-verify-rpm --auto-select -v It'd be nice if signatures were proper and --no-verify-rpm wasn't still needed too. It'd be nice if the mirrors were more dependable and --wget wasn't needed also. But they're not dangerous options. And I know Mandrake has little or no control over donated mirrors. In a perfect cooker world all that would be needed isurpmi.update -a && urpmi --auto-select YMMV, -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Scanning Images
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 12:04, John Richard Smith wrote: > ed tharp wrote: > > >you know you 'can' scan from within gimp... if you have all the packages > >installed > > > >if you have the xsane-gimp and xsane installed it should anyway. > > > > > That is quite true, you can scan withing gimp , but right now the > problem is to get sane to scan correctly at all. The original messagee > complained about the quality of the result. I wanted to make sure sane > is installed( behind the programme he is using is almost certainly sane > backends) properly and set up for his make model of scanner. > > John yep, think the quality problem is most likely rooted in the size he is scanning the image to, then reducing it and then saving it in some other format, every step degrading some,,, but 600dpi 'ought to be' a big enough file to start with. -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Scanning Images
ed tharp wrote: you know you 'can' scan from within gimp... if you have all the packages installed if you have the xsane-gimp and xsane installed it should anyway. That is quite true, you can scan withing gimp , but right now the problem is to get sane to scan correctly at all. The original messagee complained about the quality of the result. I wanted to make sure sane is installed( behind the programme he is using is almost certainly sane backends) properly and set up for his make model of scanner. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to low level format a hard disk?
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 10:31, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Sunday 14 September 2003 03:30 am, Charlie M. wrote: > > > Depends on the drive and the circumstances. A year ago a friend acquired > > a 13 GB Maxtor drive that was about a year old. It had been data > > storage for someone she knew, the data files were all encrypted and > > couldn't be wiped. Format wouldn't touch it, "Invalid partition table" > > and the drive was at that point worthless so what did she have to lose? > > Nobody knew the encryption key. I hooked it to my system with no drives > > connected but that one and used the low level format in the BIOS to > > recondition the drive. Took just over 4 hours, but it worked. Then I > > installed Mandrake 9.0 on it for her. > > I have a question here - if its partition table related, wouldn't fdisk be > able to handle it? I'm just asking here, I really don't know. I know its > helped with a lot of dual-booting drives here when Windoze fscked something > or the other up and we couldn't do anything else with it. of course you are referring to linux fdisk, which is a different critter than "evil Empire" fdisk, which is so lame as to be only useable on 'eE'© File system disks... -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Installing BibleTime from source
Hi All, I attempted to install BibleTime from an rpm designed for mdk9.1 because they had none for 9.0 (which I am running). I recieved several failed dependancies. I was able to get an answer from them and was told I would probably need to compile it from a source code. I have never done this but I guess I should learn if I am going to be running Linux. I would appreciate it if someone could kinda walk me through it since I really have no clue as to where to begin. Here is the directory for the downloads: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=954 For starters, do I need the source .bz2 or the source .gz (or does it really matter?) Thanks Russ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Evolution Question
I use Evolution on my main box and just updated my laptop to the latest version. For some reason the laptop Evo refuses to recognize the files that are backed up from the main machine. How to I get them synchronized? Rich -- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
On Sunday 14 September 2003 02:00 am, Charlie M. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > September 13, 2003 05:32 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 17:02, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > > On Saturday September 13 2003 10:46 am, Aron Smith wrote: > > > > Why do so many people in the Linux community think that it is > > > > cool to use a black or purple or dark blue background on their > > > > web sites? My 60 year old eyes can't take it. > > > > > > Jeez, I didn't know you were THAT OLD Aron. Heck, I'm a youngin' > > > at 55 ;ppp > > > > So you LIKE dark blue on Black ?? > > I'm happy to know I ain't the "Old Timer" on this list. 46 a week ago > today is young compared to you and Tom. > > Just kidding! I do agree about the colour on those web site though. Not > enough contrast. > > Charlie > - -- > Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org > Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk > 00:58:48 up 8:51, 1 user, load average: 0.48, 0.34, 0.56 > The future is a race between education and catastrophe. > -- H.G. Wells > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE/ZBIaG11CaRuZZSIRArHQAKCNwlXP2DqpNckS9dsoQGr9Up/8TgCeL7bF > nVjZXmYyNau5wpE6umQh5T4= > =jZ6P > -END PGP SIGNATURE- I'm running in the middle of the pack at 56, just wish I had become more interested in computing at a lot earlier age or had more time to reedumacate my self. But Hey, at least I was there for the "Dawning of Aquarius". : ) -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KSCD problem
I cann't figure out what's running in the background and preventing me running kscd , [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# kscd kscd is already running! [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# It makes no difference if I have a music disc in the drive or not. Grip has no problem accessing the drive and playing the disc, but I cannot use kscd. How can I find out what is occupying the device, because I don't believe the above message Or rather if it is occupying the device it is in a background way. At the moment I cannot launch kscd to play a disc. Any ideas ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 02:08, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 10:02, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > On Saturday September 13 2003 10:46 am, Aron Smith wrote: > > > Why do so many people in the Linux community think that it is > > > cool to use a black or purple or dark blue background on their > > > web sites? My 60 year old eyes can't take it. > > > > Jeez, I didn't know you were THAT OLD Aron. Heck, I'm a youngin' > > at 55 ;ppp > > Unbeknownst to all of us, Aron is actually a 12 year old child prodigy > with an IQ of 204 that proclaims to be a 60 year old hick from the > hills...while well versed in 8 different languages, he tends to favour > "Southern US dialectic colloquialism" to further paint this picture and > endear himself upon thousands of newsgroups and email lists in his > venture to create a cybersocial life, hence entertaining his vast mental > prowess. > > He can chew, spit, drink and sing at the same time. 'baccky makes me sick. > > stephen kuhn - owner > == > illawarra computer services > a kuhn media australia company > http://kma.0catch.com > -- > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents > -- > THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #2: RENE Named after the famous > French philosopher and mathematician Rene DesCartes, RENE is a language > used for artificial intelligence. The language is being developed at the > Chicago Center of Machine Politics and Programming under a grant from > the Jane Byrne Victory Fund. A spokesman described the language as "Just > as great as dis [sic] city of ours." The center is very pleased with > progress to date. They say they have almost succeeded in getting a VAX > to think. However, sources inside the organization say that each time > the machine fails to think it ceases to exist. > > > > __ > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing window managers (OT)
- Original Message - From: Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [newbie] Changing window managers (OT) > On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 23:19, Angus Auld wrote: > > > > No need to apologise, Angus - just send money for beer. > > > > > > stephen kuhn - owner > > > == > > Yer on yer own there mate. ;-) lol > > Couldn't afford to buy my own...if I was > > a drinker, that is. Used to imbibe...gave > > it up mostly. > > > > --Angus > > Ditto here. Spend my money on fans mostly now... > > stephen kuhn - owner > == LOLLL! You are a riot Stephen. Wellat least you have something to show for your money spent, and not just some empty bottles. lol Fans are important in Ozzieland no doubt, especially with spring coming on now. :-) We're approaching fall here in the Great White North. Fans sort of become superfluous here. :-| PS. Do your fans rotate the opposite way in Oz? ;-)) --Angus "Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness." -- James Thurber *** ~Linux Powered by Mandrake 9.1~ *** ~Reg. Linux User #278931~ *** -- ___ OperaMail free e-mail - http://www.operamail.com OperaMail Premium - 28MB, POP3, more! US$29.99/year Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to low level format a hard disk?
On Sunday 14 September 2003 03:30 am, Charlie M. wrote: > Depends on the drive and the circumstances. A year ago a friend acquired > a 13 GB Maxtor drive that was about a year old. It had been data > storage for someone she knew, the data files were all encrypted and > couldn't be wiped. Format wouldn't touch it, "Invalid partition table" > and the drive was at that point worthless so what did she have to lose? > Nobody knew the encryption key. I hooked it to my system with no drives > connected but that one and used the low level format in the BIOS to > recondition the drive. Took just over 4 hours, but it worked. Then I > installed Mandrake 9.0 on it for her. I have a question here - if its partition table related, wouldn't fdisk be able to handle it? I'm just asking here, I really don't know. I know its helped with a lot of dual-booting drives here when Windoze fscked something or the other up and we couldn't do anything else with it. -- /\ Dark>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Wonderful World of Linux 2.6
Derek Jennings wrote: On Sunday 14 Sep 2003 1:50 pm, Anarky wrote: Richard Urwin wrote: I've just come across this, and I don't remember seeing it on here before. The new features in Linux 2.6: http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html (HeywireMac, note that filesystem capability support is in there. My bad.) IIRC someone recently noted that 2.6test2 was in MDK contribs. Only one machine here, don't want to mess it up. Like the cat who ate the cheese I will wait for the mouse with baited breath. also ... will 9.2 come with this kernel? what kernel if not? 9.2 will come with all these kernels http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MdkKernel92 thanks! (seems 2.6 isn't available there ... me surprised .. I knew Mandrake to incorporate all the newest stuff). They will either be on the install CD or in the 'Contrib' folder if an online mirror ( How to add a Contrib source to urpmi has been posted many times) You can install as many kernels as you please. There will be an entry for each of them in your lilo screen. HTH derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Wonderful World of Linux 2.6
ed tharp wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 08:47, Anarky wrote: Richard Urwin wrote: I've just come across this, and I don't remember seeing it on here before. The new features in Linux 2.6: http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html (HeywireMac, note that filesystem capability support is in there. My bad.) IIRC someone recently noted that 2.6test2 was in MDK contribs. Only one machine here, don't want to mess it up. Like the cat who ate the cheese I will wait for the mouse with baited breath. :-)) so hwo hard do you think would having a 2.6 kernel starting from a 9.2 rc2 or a 9.2 be ? on my 9.1 even when I tried just the mutlimedia kernel X wouldn't start anymore :( do you have a Nvidia or other high end (ati 8000 or higher)Video card and had installed the PROPRIETARY drivers for good 3d? then you should of run the installer again when you had new Kernels. as it stated in the page where you got the drivers the first time. thnx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Shered VS Delete
On Saturday 13 September 2003 11:22 pm, David E. Fox wrote: > > Why 20 times? How is it possible to recover a file that has been > > overwritten once? > > Forensics :). > > I don't understand that well how this works at the lower (physical) > level, but even so, I'd imagine it could be a moot point for binary > files, i.e., traces of pr0n ::). I didn't expect this many replies when I started this thread. BTW, Konqueror overwrites each file 35 times. -- Regards Chris A 100% Microsoft free computer Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org 8:38am up 5 days, 11:44, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.05 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing window managers (OT)
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 23:19, Angus Auld wrote: > > No need to apologise, Angus - just send money for beer. > > > > stephen kuhn - owner > > == > Yer on yer own there mate. ;-) lol > Couldn't afford to buy my own...if I was > a drinker, that is. Used to imbibe...gave > it up mostly. > > --Angus Ditto here. Spend my money on fans mostly now... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- As he had feared, his orders had been forgotten and everyone had brought the potato salad. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Wonderful World of Linux 2.6
On Sunday 14 Sep 2003 1:50 pm, Anarky wrote: > Richard Urwin wrote: > >I've just come across this, and I don't remember seeing it on here > >before. > > > >The new features in Linux 2.6: http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html > > > >(HeywireMac, note that filesystem capability support is in there. My > >bad.) > > > >IIRC someone recently noted that 2.6test2 was in MDK contribs. Only one > >machine here, don't want to mess it up. Like the cat who ate the cheese > >I will wait for the mouse with baited breath. > > also ... will 9.2 come with this kernel? what kernel if not? 9.2 will come with all these kernels http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MdkKernel92 They will either be on the install CD or in the 'Contrib' folder if an online mirror ( How to add a Contrib source to urpmi has been posted many times) You can install as many kernels as you please. There will be an entry for each of them in your lilo screen. HTH derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Changing window managers (OT)
- Original Message - From: Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [newbie] Changing window managers > On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 20:53, Angus Auld wrote: > > > Right you are Stephen, and that is "Xtart", with a capital "X". > > My humble apologies. ;-) > > > > --Angus > > No need to apologise, Angus - just send money for beer. > > stephen kuhn - owner > == Yer on yer own there mate. ;-) lol Couldn't afford to buy my own...if I was a drinker, that is. Used to imbibe...gave it up mostly. --Angus "Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness." -- James Thurber *** ~Linux Powered by Mandrake 9.1~ *** ~Reg. Linux User #278931~ *** -- ___ OperaMail free e-mail - http://www.operamail.com OperaMail Premium - 28MB, POP3, more! US$29.99/year Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Scanning Images
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 09:58, John Richard Smith wrote: > Marco Verheul wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I'm strugling with scanning images. I'd like to scan a CD cover, so that > >i can save it with the same dimension as the real thing. > > > >What i tried is to scan a cover with Kooka at a resolution of 600. Then > >i loaded the picture in Kover where the images is resized again. I > >figured since i used a high resolution the image would look sharp, but > >it is kind of hazy. > > > >Can anybody give me some idea's how to do it right, or where i can find > >a good online tutorial on scanning. > > > >Marco > > > > > > > > > You don't give us much to go on really. What make of scanner sre you > using, are you in Mandrake with kde desktop, and do you have sane > installed. Indeed, why are you not scanning with sane as your image file > creation tool ? Well that is what I would use. Then when I have that > working and producing good quality image files, which in linux are .pnm > files I would then use an image display and manipulation programme like > gimp to finalise them and print off from there. you know you 'can' scan from within gimp... if you have all the packages installed if you have the xsane-gimp and xsane installed it should anyway. > To check up on what sane packages you have installed, do, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# rpm -qa | grep sane > xsane-0.90-2mdk > sane-backends-1.0.11-5mdk > libsane1-1.0.11-5mdk > sane-frontends-1.0.10-1mdk > > The guts of sane is, sane-backends-1.0.11-5mdk , and libsane1-1.0.11-5mdk. > > xsane-0.90-2mdk and sane-frontends-1.0.10-1mdk are the graphical front > ends that most of us use to do the practical work. > > When your've got sane up and working well we can move on from there. > > Just to give you a flavour of what sane looks like I attatch an image > file of the desktop with sane up and running. > > John > > John > -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Wonderful World of Linux 2.6
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 08:47, Anarky wrote: > Richard Urwin wrote: > > >I've just come across this, and I don't remember seeing it on here > >before. > > > >The new features in Linux 2.6: http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html > > > >(HeywireMac, note that filesystem capability support is in there. My > >bad.) > > > >IIRC someone recently noted that 2.6test2 was in MDK contribs. Only one > >machine here, don't want to mess it up. Like the cat who ate the cheese > >I will wait for the mouse with baited breath. > > > > > > > :-)) > > so hwo hard do you think would having a 2.6 kernel starting from a > 9.2 rc2 or a 9.2 be ? on my 9.1 even when I tried just the mutlimedia > kernel X wouldn't start anymore :( > > do you have a Nvidia or other high end (ati 8000 or higher)Video card and had installed the PROPRIETARY drivers for good 3d? then you should of run the installer again when you had new Kernels. as it stated in the page where you got the drivers the first time. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Teach yourself unix in 24 hours
On Sunday 14 September 2003 07:19 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: |Not a joke - being serious here. | |stephen kuhn - owner I'm going to get myself a salt lick for my desk just for your posts! Curt the gullible -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. ~ Einstein Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to low level format a hard disk?
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 22:35, ed tharp wrote: > I have to agree with Stephen here (damn it all)... I look high and low and I still didn't see the headline that stated "Hell froze over!" - wow... Must not have gotten down here to us yet...(and we're a day ahead of the rest of the world - go figure) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Business is a good game -- lots of competition and minimum of rules. You keep score with money. -- Nolan Bushnell, founder of Atari Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Wonderful World of Linux 2.6
Richard Urwin wrote: I've just come across this, and I don't remember seeing it on here before. The new features in Linux 2.6: http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html (HeywireMac, note that filesystem capability support is in there. My bad.) IIRC someone recently noted that 2.6test2 was in MDK contribs. Only one machine here, don't want to mess it up. Like the cat who ate the cheese I will wait for the mouse with baited breath. also ... will 9.2 come with this kernel? what kernel if not? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Wonderful World of Linux 2.6
Richard Urwin wrote: I've just come across this, and I don't remember seeing it on here before. The new features in Linux 2.6: http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html (HeywireMac, note that filesystem capability support is in there. My bad.) IIRC someone recently noted that 2.6test2 was in MDK contribs. Only one machine here, don't want to mess it up. Like the cat who ate the cheese I will wait for the mouse with baited breath. :-)) so hwo hard do you think would having a 2.6 kernel starting from a 9.2 rc2 or a 9.2 be ? on my 9.1 even when I tried just the mutlimedia kernel X wouldn't start anymore :( Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to low level format a hard disk?
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 05:36, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 12:43, Xuer wrote: > > I know it's dangerous. But I do need it now. How to? > > Thanks. > > What "kind" of llf (low level format) do you need to do - and on what > kinda drive? What's the problem that you've got to resort to those > measures? > I have to agree with Stephen here (damn it all)... knowing the reasons, what sort of errors, and what sort and make and model of drive are all very important. if all the problem is is an overlay used in the past to get the drive to fake a size a bios could use, low level is lower than you need to go. Have you had a try with diskdrake yet? it's really pretty powerful. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 03:41, Charlie M. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > September 14, 2003 01:15 am, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: > > > > I'm happy to know I ain't the "Old Timer" on this list. 46 a week > > > ago today is young compared to you and Tom. > > > > > > Just kidding! I do agree about the colour on those web site though. > > > Not enough contrast. > > > > > > Charlie > > > > I must be a spring chicken at 27. :-) > > > > I also agree about the color. It offends my sense of style and > > usability. Form and function are equally important. > > Whippersnapper! > > Gotta watch for we old farts around here Brant. Youth and enthusiasm is > never a match for experience and treachery. > > "Trust me." > > When did web designers (or many others for all that) ever pay attention > to form and function when they could have what they think is glitz and > pizazz? hell ain't that what the "www" is all about? "glitz and pizazz". I still kinda miss the days it was all about substance and text... like before 1992. when knowing background colors did not mean a thing, but ascii art was what _reallly_ mattered. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 03:00, Charlie M. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > September 13, 2003 05:32 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 17:02, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > > On Saturday September 13 2003 10:46 am, Aron Smith wrote: > > > > Why do so many people in the Linux community think that it is > > > > cool to use a black or purple or dark blue background on their > > > > web sites? My 60 year old eyes can't take it. > > > > > > Jeez, I didn't know you were THAT OLD Aron. Heck, I'm a youngin' > > > at 55 ;ppp > > > > So you LIKE dark blue on Black ?? > > I'm happy to know I ain't the "Old Timer" on this list. 46 a week ago > today is young compared to you and Tom. > > Just kidding! I do agree about the colour on those web site though. Not > enough contrast. > > Charlie This is about the oldest bunch of computer users that I know of, no wonder I feel at home Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Teach yourself unix in 24 hours
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 21:48, C Tresenriter wrote: > At 07:31 PM 9/14/03 +1000, y'all wrote: > > > I've only given the 24 hour books a brief look. > > >Don't forget "The Rute Users Guide" > > >You should learn about "inodes". That's really important. > >rm -rf /mnt/win_c/*.* > > Don't try this at home kids! > > Aaron,Carroll, Haymac Stephen, > > Thanks for the tips - > I've already found that some of the commands in the Unix book don't work > which led me to ask the question. > I'm guessing no one has actually used it extensively?? > I'll read the portion on inodes at least. > > What are the major differences between the two? Ok...I'll get on a serious note here, mate. One of the first - VERY FIRST things that anyone and everyone should read up on and get to know is system administration. Basic administration tasks. FROM A CONSOLE. Not from some silly candy-apple GUI. Get to know the guts. System performance tuning, device drivers, modules, kernel tuning. After all that jazz, then move on to the XWindows world... Not a joke - being serious here. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- "You're just the sort of person I imagined marrying, when I was little... except, y'know, not green... and without all the patches of fungus." -- Swamp Thing Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Scanning Images
Hi all, I'm strugling with scanning images. I'd like to scan a CD cover, so that i can save it with the same dimension as the real thing. What i tried is to scan a cover with Kooka at a resolution of 600. Then i loaded the picture in Kover where the images is resized again. I figured since i used a high resolution the image would look sharp, but it is kind of hazy. Can anybody give me some idea's how to do it right, or where i can find a good online tutorial on scanning. Marco -- "Tell me about these oppressed masses. What's got them so worked up ?" "They're upset, sir, because they are so poor that they are forced to have children merely to provide a cheap alternative to turkey at Christmas." Registered Linux user #268279 * This message is composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 17:00, Charlie M. wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > September 13, 2003 05:32 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 17:02, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > > On Saturday September 13 2003 10:46 am, Aron Smith wrote: > > > > Why do so many people in the Linux community think that it is > > > > cool to use a black or purple or dark blue background on their > > > > web sites? My 60 year old eyes can't take it. > > > > > > Jeez, I didn't know you were THAT OLD Aron. Heck, I'm a youngin' > > > at 55 ;ppp > > > > So you LIKE dark blue on Black ?? > > I'm happy to know I ain't the "Old Timer" on this list. 46 a week ago > today is young compared to you and Tom. > > Just kidding! I do agree about the colour on those web site though. Not > enough contrast. > > Charlie Damn - y'all smarmy ass bastards make me feel so youngha! (41) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- You can tell the ideals of a nation by its advertisements. -- Norman Douglas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to low level format a hard disk?
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 12:43, Xuer wrote: > I know it's dangerous. But I do need it now. How to? > Thanks. What "kind" of llf (low level format) do you need to do - and on what kinda drive? What's the problem that you've got to resort to those measures? stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- "No matter where you go, there you are..." -- Buckaroo Banzai Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 12:23, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Sunday 14 September 2003 12:02 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > > > Jeez, I didn't know you were THAT OLD Aron. Heck, I'm a > > youngin' at 55 ;ppp > > > Jeez, I didn't know you were THAT OLD Tom. Always imagined you > about 27, living inside a computercase, eating disks with > screwdrivers :-) > > Kaj Haulrich. Geez - he's old enough to be my dad...and I always wanted a dad that lived in a trailer...(sniff)... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- I've been on this lonely road so long, Does anybody know where it goes, I remember last time the signs pointed home, A month ago. -- Carpenters, "Road Ode" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Teach yourself unix in 24 hours
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 11:01, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Saturday 13 September 2003 10:25 am, Curt Tresenriter wrote: > > I've started to read this book and I'm wondering whether or not it's > > worth the time since what I'm really interested in is Linux. > > Is enough of it relevant to make it worthwhile... or is just some of > > it helpful? Are there parts that may as well be be passed over, or > > am I better off focusing on a Linux book? > > Curt: > I've only given the 24 hour books a brief look. IIRC, they have a version for > Red Hat that should be closer to Mandrake than a Unix reference. However, > given that I can barely learn my own telephone number in 24 hours, I bought: > 1. Running Linux (textbook) > 2. Linux in a Nutshell (reference) > Both are published by O'Reilly (www.oreilly.com) -- about $75 for the pair. > -- cmg You should learn about "inodes". That's really important. Other than "inodes" the best command to learn about is "rm". Great utility, and you can use it to wipe out literally every Windows based virus, i.e.: rm -rf /mnt/win_c/*.* ...works wonders. (NOTE: PLEASE INGEST THIS INFORMATION WITH A CRYSTAL OF SODIUM CHLORIDE) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- All right, you degenerates! I want this place evacuated in 20 seconds! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Changing window managers
I have set KDE to be my default during install. I boot up in init 3 and type startx to load kde. My question is.. How do I change to say Gnome, or any of the other managers ? Thanks -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] modem installation
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 10:51, d2ci1fj g1nf24 wrote: > Hi, > I'm using a U.S Robotics 56k modem and I can't get it to work. I set it up > and rebooted then I ran the query and it found it. I tried to connect to the > internet and it stays on initializing modem. > From, > Steven Ok - with that said, can you be a bit more specific? Meanwhile, OTOH, this is what *I* would do to make sure it's happy. 1.) Double check the real modem settings. Fire up (as root) minicom -s and go through all the proper port and speed settings; the init string shouldn't really be touched, but if you MUST, set it to AT &F &C1 &D2 Q0 V1 E1 Save the settings, and when returned to the "terminal" mode of minicom, try typing in some AT commands like: AT &V AT I4 AT H0 ...and if all that works fine, then exit 2.) Setup KPPP You should only really have to setup the phone number, the username and the password for this to work properly; cuz that's all you need. The PAP/CHAP settings for PPPD are pretty much standard for every ISP on the planet and seldom need any other changes. 3.) Fire up the connection. After setting up KPPP just click the CONNECT button - you might want to click the "LOG" tickbox so that you can see what's happening from the beginning all the way through to the actual PPPD startup - this is where you'd be able to detect problems with the login and such. 4.) Test the connectivity. Fire up yer fave browser and type in your fave URL. http://slashdot.org is a really good one to test (g). Now, if you can't get to any of those steps, let's get more detailed. HTH, cheers! stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- WHOA!! Ken and Barbie are having TOO MUCH FUN!! It must be the NEGATIVE IONS!! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] FWD; by Ed Tharp; Dear EFF Supporter:...
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 10:03, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Friday 12 September 2003 10:38 pm, ed tharp wrote: > > Dear EFF Supporter: > > http://www.eff.org/share/petition/ > > > > We'll deliver the petition to Congress once we've hit 10,000 signatures. > > This is a grassroots campaign - please take the time to tell your > > friends > > and family about this issue. Thanks for support! > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Ren Bucholz > > EFF Activist > > Ed: > Thanks for the link. BTW, they now have over 19,000 signatures. > > (Couldn't remember if it was Kuhn or Khun? Stephen or Steven? Decided to enter > all four possible combinations.) > -- cmg Beauty mate. And remember the other combos - I was often the victim of Detroit teachers spelling it "Koon", "Kune", "Coon" and "Coone" - much to the ire of my German/Polish rellies... (kuhn in old German means "bold") stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Edwin Meese made me wear CORDOVANS!! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 10:02, Tom Brinkman wrote: > On Saturday September 13 2003 10:46 am, Aron Smith wrote: > > Why do so many people in the Linux community think that it is > > cool to use a black or purple or dark blue background on their > > web sites? My 60 year old eyes can't take it. > > Jeez, I didn't know you were THAT OLD Aron. Heck, I'm a youngin' > at 55 ;ppp Unbeknownst to all of us, Aron is actually a 12 year old child prodigy with an IQ of 204 that proclaims to be a 60 year old hick from the hills...while well versed in 8 different languages, he tends to favour "Southern US dialectic colloquialism" to further paint this picture and endear himself upon thousands of newsgroups and email lists in his venture to create a cybersocial life, hence entertaining his vast mental prowess. He can chew, spit, drink and sing at the same time. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #2: RENE Named after the famous French philosopher and mathematician Rene DesCartes, RENE is a language used for artificial intelligence. The language is being developed at the Chicago Center of Machine Politics and Programming under a grant from the Jane Byrne Victory Fund. A spokesman described the language as "Just as great as dis [sic] city of ours." The center is very pleased with progress to date. They say they have almost succeeded in getting a VAX to think. However, sources inside the organization say that each time the machine fails to think it ceases to exist. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 already out?
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 23:15, Tom Brinkman wrote: Big Snip > > At this point I wouldn't bother with gettin RC2. OTOH, I'll be > late gettin the final iso's myself. Got'a go to Talladega an watch > 'em run real loud'n fast next weekend. Hang out with my brother in > Alabama's temporary second largest city, the 'other' Mardi Gras > twice a year ;) Give my cuz George Smith a call when you are there he is a columnist for the Anniston Star in Anniston AL tell him Buddy sent ya. > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 RC2
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 00:29, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 09:44, Aron Smith wrote: > > > ever hear of an air conditioner (just for the 'puters of course ;-) > > Did I mention that I live in Australia? > We try very hard to do what's called "conserve" energy here...as in > drying our clothing on a "line" outside; as in having two different ways > to flush a toilet; as in doing what you can to avoid using too much > electricity in the winter or the summer... > > A/C is out of the question - for as much as I'd like some big yank-tank > A/C machine hanging out me window blasting cold air directly on top of > the computers...that'd be great...but I'll work out a nice "forced air" > cooling method instead and live with smaller electricity bills... > > stephen kuhn - owner > == > illawarra computer services > a kuhn media australia company > http://kma.0catch.com > -- > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * > We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents So power is expensive in oz? How much per KWH? > -- > Between grand theft and a legal fee, there only stands a law degree. > > > > __ > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] how to install php-mysql extension?
mdk9.1 How is the php-mysql extension installed? I have mysql and php installed, both working properly. phpinfo() shows the configure command which does not include --with-mysql. I ran urpmi php-mysql as per the phpinfo() instructions. phpinfo() now lists /etc/php/34_mysql.ini as an additional .ini file. I changed this file from extension = mysql.so to extension = /usr/lib/php/extensions/mysql.so Still the mysql extension is not installed. Most of what I read says that I need to run configure but I cant find a configure command on my system even after installing php-devel. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] modem installation
d2ci1fj g1nf24 wrote: Hi, I'm using a U.S Robotics 56k modem and I can't get it to work. I set it up and rebooted then I ran the query and it found it. I tried to connect to the internet and it stays on initializing modem. From, Steven HI Steven, You may need to use the 'setserial' command to set up the serial port. What is the model # of your modem? Mine is 5610 and it uses port /dev/ttyS4. Lots & lots of infomation avialable on the internet. Use google to search for the information. If you have no luck finding the information & the modem is model 5610, I can send you what data I use with 'setserial' HTH Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 14, 2003 01:15 am, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: > > I'm happy to know I ain't the "Old Timer" on this list. 46 a week > > ago today is young compared to you and Tom. > > > > Just kidding! I do agree about the colour on those web site though. > > Not enough contrast. > > > > Charlie > > I must be a spring chicken at 27. :-) > > I also agree about the color. It offends my sense of style and > usability. Form and function are equally important. Whippersnapper! Gotta watch for we old farts around here Brant. Youth and enthusiasm is never a match for experience and treachery. "Trust me." When did web designers (or many others for all that) ever pay attention to form and function when they could have what they think is glitz and pizazz? Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 01:37:43 up 9:30, 1 user, load average: 0.18, 0.16, 0.17 Never tell. Not if you love your wife ... In fact, if your old lady walks in on you, deny it. Yeah. Just flat out and she'll believe it: "I'm tellin' ya. This chick came downstairs with a sign around her neck `Lay On Top Of Me Or I'll Die'. I didn't know what I was gonna do..." -- Lenny Bruce -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ZBucG11CaRuZZSIRAoW8AJ4xtCrU4rJBjwHGYuJZnMKqhzEehQCaAjE6 Yk1h/9wg9jpSo0RS2RwIezU= =PZza -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to low level format a hard disk?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 14, 2003 12:32 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > I'd have to 2nd this - I've always been told to reformat an IDE > drive, not low-level though, leave that to SCSI drives. I'm told it > can actually destroy and IDE drive and render it useless. My > understanding is, that under that *other* OS, when you pick format, > its actually saying "partition" :-) Depends on the drive and the circumstances. A year ago a friend acquired a 13 GB Maxtor drive that was about a year old. It had been data storage for someone she knew, the data files were all encrypted and couldn't be wiped. Format wouldn't touch it, "Invalid partition table" and the drive was at that point worthless so what did she have to lose? Nobody knew the encryption key. I hooked it to my system with no drives connected but that one and used the low level format in the BIOS to recondition the drive. Took just over 4 hours, but it worked. Then I installed Mandrake 9.0 on it for her. She's still using it with 9.1. Maybe I just got lucky but it wasn't the first time, and probably won't be the last. To the original poster; if the drive has bad sectors on it and you can't do anything else with it I suppose a low level format may be worth a try but I sincerely doubt the efficacy. I'd say just "bite the bullet" and get a new drive. Steve Gibson's Spin Rite is an amazingly effective tool written in pure assembler but even magic of that sort has limits. Good luck! Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 01:23:06 up 9:16, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.13, 0.24 When you jump for joy, beware that no-one moves the ground from beneath your feet. -- Stanislaw Lem, "Unkempt Thoughts" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ZBkfG11CaRuZZSIRAgZPAKCyVVcQkVhXuKHK0t6SrQwwVJ4C4QCfXCKR /Ok7cECsJ4bZFS//XzQTGjs= =EoO+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] hints on mp3 CD!
I need to transform several CD's recorded on wav format to mp3! But I haven´t got to the point yet! Can anybody show me the direction? The situation: These CD´s are for languages classes and on their original format (wav) I can go forward and backward nice and fast, but I thought of putting all of them on a single mp3 CD! I do need this track by track "feature". I´ve tried making a iso image, but it has ended up on a single track which is not desirable at all. Hope you can help me! rgs Ricardo Castanho -- == Linux user # 102240 => [EMAIL PROTECTED] user => [EMAIL PROTECTED] == AntiVir for UNIX Copyright (C) 1994-2002 by H+BEDV Datentechnik GmbH. All rights reserved. For more information see http://www.antivir.de/ or http://www.hbedv.com/ Sun, 14 Sep 2003 04:20:00 -0300 04:20:01 up 1 day, 17:12, 6 users, load average: 3.74, 3.37, 2.97 To err is human, to moo bovine. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 RC2
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 09:44, Aron Smith wrote: > ever hear of an air conditioner (just for the 'puters of course ;-) Did I mention that I live in Australia? We try very hard to do what's called "conserve" energy here...as in drying our clothing on a "line" outside; as in having two different ways to flush a toilet; as in doing what you can to avoid using too much electricity in the winter or the summer... A/C is out of the question - for as much as I'd like some big yank-tank A/C machine hanging out me window blasting cold air directly on top of the computers...that'd be great...but I'll work out a nice "forced air" cooling method instead and live with smaller electricity bills... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Between grand theft and a legal fee, there only stands a law degree. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
Charlie M. wrote: September 13, 2003 05:32 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 17:02, Tom Brinkman wrote: >On Saturday September 13 2003 10:46 am, Aron Smith wrote: > >>Why do so many people in the Linux community think that it is >>cool to use a black or purple or dark blue background on their >>web sites? My 60 year old eyes can't take it. > > Jeez, I didn't know you were THAT OLD Aron. Heck, I'm a youngin' >at 55 ;ppp So you LIKE dark blue on Black ?? I'm happy to know I ain't the "Old Timer" on this list. 46 a week ago today is young compared to you and Tom. Just kidding! I do agree about the colour on those web site though. Not enough contrast. Charlie I must be a spring chicken at 27. :-) I also agree about the color. It offends my sense of style and usability. Form and function are equally important. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client Uptime: 03:10:01 up 7 days, 14:26, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.06, 0.07 ___ "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 RC2
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday September 13 2003 04:41 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:09:59 -0500 Dennis Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: I know cause I just did it using Tom B.s instructions. basically it would be urpmi --update --auto-select? Here's what I use to update. urpmi -v --auto-select --allow-nodeps --allow-force --no-verify-rpm -v to see everything that going on --auto-select to update everything that needs to be updated --allow-nodeps to allow you to install without checking dependencies if needed --allow-force to allow you to force the installation if needed --no-verify-rpm to keep it from complaining about bad gpg signatures That'll do it. With often dire results. The allow --allow-nodeps --allow-force being the BAD offenders. Here's what I've gravitated to. I install several 'trusted' mirrors that I have some current confidence in. It's a movin target, now I'm currently usin uninett, sunsite, club-internet.fr, a PLF source (also club-internet) simultaneously and then update several times a day with tom # cook (that's all I need to type ;) alias cook='urpmi.update -a -f --wget && urpmi --wget --no-verify-rpm --auto-select -v' (in /etc/bashrc) I've found --wget much slower than curl, but more reliable. It'll keep on tickin, takes a lickin, when the default curl will fail on unwilling mirrors. --no-verify-rpm gets by bad package signin, still plaguing cooker as they move to a new signature model. NBFD, anyway. The last -v just gives verbose output. The dbl ampersand in the middle just says, 'don't run this next command unless the last one completed successfully'. When I see major updates I run 'upall' an login/out, restartin the X server with in between. (alias upall='rpm --rebuilddb && updatedb && update-menus -n && ldconfig') There are a few situations from time to time when --allow-nodeps --allow-force might be called for or needed, but those are usually best avoided by being a cookerer. By that I'll just say again, Y'all shouldn't be runnin cooker unless you subscribe to an read the cooker and CHRM (change log) mailin lists. (I know you do Brant, so I'm surprised you cavalierly use force, nodeps), it's a must before you do updates. Need for force or nodeps will have already been suggested by the developers or other cookerers. when called for in rare instances, an then only for certain rpms. Just as often as not, the better solution is to the d/l the current src.rpm for the package an rebuild it yourself. Please read my email in response to your earlier comments. (I don't know why I post if those posting responses are not going to read my post before commenting.) T o calarify, I didn't mean that you hadn't read my response to your reponse. I meant...A... nevermind, just see my earlier response. The bed is calling me. At no time did I use --force. Why would I use an option to negate the other options I passed to urpmi (--allow-nodeps and --allow-force)? It just doesn't make sense. I don't use them cavalierly. Since, as I have said before, it asks me if I want to use those options I have them at my disposal should I feel the need to use them. I have a gun, whose ownership and use I don't take cavalierly either, but I have it should I be in a situation where I would need to use it. The only time I've ever had problems, cooker being my only installed system for years, is when I disregard this, my own, gathered mostly from others advice. Other than that, it's always been better than the last (what some of y'all call) 'stable' release. Just takes a little more effort. IE, updating with --auto, or a cron job is an equally BAD idea. Case in point, a little more'n a week ago a very bad initscripts rpm update was on the mirrors (shortly before RC2). I woke up, made some coffee, an typed 'cook'. THEN read the cooker an CHRPM lists. Sure enough, as I could'a been forewarned, I'd just updated to an initscripts package that fubar'd many of my /etc/initd* links. In my case it also wiped a bunch of /proc subdirs. I should'a read the lists first ;( A fixed package was available in short order. It soon became apparent that a fresh install of RC1, an update to current cooker would be needed for my situation. The whole deal was only my negligence. Still, it got me off my butt to take a look at the new installer ;) -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client Uptime: 03:05:01 up 7 days, 14:21, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.07, 0.08 ___ "All truth passes through three stages. First
Re: [newbie] Weird Web pages..Rant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 13, 2003 05:32 pm, Aron Smith wrote: > On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 17:02, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > On Saturday September 13 2003 10:46 am, Aron Smith wrote: > > > Why do so many people in the Linux community think that it is > > > cool to use a black or purple or dark blue background on their > > > web sites? My 60 year old eyes can't take it. > > > > Jeez, I didn't know you were THAT OLD Aron. Heck, I'm a youngin' > > at 55 ;ppp > > So you LIKE dark blue on Black ?? I'm happy to know I ain't the "Old Timer" on this list. 46 a week ago today is young compared to you and Tom. Just kidding! I do agree about the colour on those web site though. Not enough contrast. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-8mdk 00:58:48 up 8:51, 1 user, load average: 0.48, 0.34, 0.56 The future is a race between education and catastrophe. -- H.G. Wells -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ZBIaG11CaRuZZSIRArHQAKCNwlXP2DqpNckS9dsoQGr9Up/8TgCeL7bF nVjZXmYyNau5wpE6umQh5T4= =jZ6P -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
