Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
Hi Jason, On Sun, 2003-12-21 at 22:23, you wrote: have you tried evolution?? I'm writing this email from Evolution. i like evolution but i do want something better... i havent tried the mozilla one yet.. i have seen some emails people send that indent the replies in the same email that came from a diff reply, hope yu can understand what im getting at.. Um...I have to admit that I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here. I suppose I could guess, but could you explain a bit more? what do u think is the best in the linux world.. i dont like using M$ programs with wine cuz its the reason i dont use M$ programs.. heheh Just to be clear about something...The Bat! is not a MS program, as it's just a program that happens to be written for use on Windows. When I deal with Windows, the OS itself is the only MS program that I use. Evolution feels too much like OE to me (eek!), so that alone kinda makes me cringe. That may not be the most rational reason to dislike it, but there are other things I don't like about it as well. In fact, in order to re-format the cut up quoted text above, I had to resort to using a Windows text cleanup/re-formatting utility that I currently have working under Wine. Also...I don't know why this happens, but very often, Evolution freezes for several seconds, and this is quite annoying. I must admit (again and again), that I'm quite spoiled by using The Bat! for email, so I can only really evaluate the various Linux email clients I've tried in terms of being the least offensive of the bunch. In that sense, even though Sylpheed-claws seems to have more options, I'm finding Kmail has earned my least offensive award for the moment. :-) As far as running The Bat! under Wine goes, I wish I didn't feel that it was my only chance to be really happy with an email client in Linux, but at this point, it is. What I really wish for is to have TB! ported to Linux, so I wouldn't have to deal with Wine at all (I could then even use the TB! editor to enhance Knode or Pan composition, and wouldn't have to use the cleanup/re-formatting utility I'm currently using under Wine to work with those). I know that many here will refuse to try any program written for Windows, so I don't expect them to really understand why I'm not very impressed with the various Linux email clients when I compare them to The Bat!, but what can I say?...what you don't know can't impress you! :-) -- Melissa signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Me, On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 11:22:44 PM PST, I wrote: I'm writing this email from Evolution. Eek! I get a bad GnuPG signature verification on my Evolution signed message. :-( - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/5p5YjVbXUvsE8ukRAnAjAKCxEjswgdH+L05Ge+c47bFs6ytlHgCfc9Aq WysRBcSrGApMej9PQZHWeCA= =BApL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] The Bat! vs M2 from Opera 7.23
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi The Other, On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 6:25:55 AM PST, you wrote: Has anyone familiar with The Bat! looked into M2 and Opera 7.23? I'm in Windows at the moment, but I don't suppose the Opera package would look and behave much differently under Linux. Next time I'm in Mandrake, I'll install Opera and have a look anyway. I haven't looked at Opera since I got my new computer, so after reading your message, I installed it, set up an account in M2, and had a look around. Frankly, I'm not impressed...not even a wee bit. :-) I've never seen a browser/email/news combination that I felt had a decent email client (or news reader). For that matter, I've never seen an email client/news reader combination that I felt did both equally well (or at least as well as I would like). The closest I've seen to a half-way decent browser connected email client is Mozilla (and even there, I would prefer the stand alone Mozilla/Thunderbird email client with the Enigmail GnuPG integration). Still though, even Moz/Thunderbird/Enigmail doesn't impress me when I compare it to The Bat! (no surprise there, as I haven't seen *any* email client that really impresses me when I compare to TB!). Even looking into the additional options in the M2 .ini file, I didn't see nearly the range of options available in most real email clients (my use of the term real is of course subjective, but so be it). Even having to manually edit the .ini file for some very basic email options is really clumsy. If you don't deal with much email, and all you want is the ability to send and receive email, and have a very basic address book, I suppose just about anything that calls itself an email client will do...including M2 (I suppose even AOL can do that much! :-)). If you want much greater functionality in terms of just about every aspect of email presentation, management, and composition, I would suggest looking elsewhere. Again, these are just my subjective opinions, so take them for what they're worth to you. :-) If you're working in Linux, I do feel that the available stand alone email clients (including Moz/Thunderbird) are all better than Opera's M2. I haven't had much of a chance to work on my Mandrake installation these past few days, and probably can't get back to it for another week or so, but when I do, I'm going to see if I can get The Bat! working through Wine. - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/5oUKjVbXUvsE8ukRAl1KAKCtIQHJ81KrwF/qC6pLzNRCHEBGoQCfRRzR mVI7wEVeaMlYCbqMTPQyC1w= =lLYV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Desktop issues, revisited
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Guy, On Saturday, December 13, 2003, at 10:33:09 PM PST, you wrote: Last night I spent an exasperating 6 hrs struggling with numerous issues. I'll submit them as bugs if appropriate. I feel these issues (and many more like them) are impediments to the widespread adoption of Linux as a desktop platform. [snip] But unfortunately the fit and finish on many things is wanting, and those less zealous than the people on this list will find Linux as a desktop frequently exasperating. As someone new to Linux, I'd like to thank you for your comments. I installed Mandrake 9.2 onto my second hard drive almost a month ago, and I'm still trying to sort out several things that seem like they *should* have been fairly basic. I know that Linux is quite different from Windows, so I understand that I have a lot to learn (with lots of help from many good people on this list!), but I'm going to have to agree with your comments that I quoted above. It takes a good bit of effort in often obscure directions (and a Klingon-English dictionary!) to get even some very basic things up and running. While there is lots of help available via lists like this one and a few news groups, it can still be a little frustrating to have to send out a request for help every time a new Klingon command is needed to perform some procedure that I've been told I need, yet still don't quite understand why...or even just what it's supposed to do. Over the past several years, I've had to learn how to tweak my Windows systems - especially for security and privacy issues - and have become pretty good at tinkering with it when I need to (though, after the initial setup and keeping track of a few basic things along the way, I really don't have to do much tweaking anymore). Once I pretty much figured out Windows a few years ago, installing a new OS and getting things tweaked to my preferences so I can just *do stuff* is very quick and painless. I can and do tweak when I have to, but tweaking and tinkering is *not* why I enjoy using a computer. After hanging around Linux mail lists and news groups for over a month now, it seems that for even experienced Linux users, tinkering can be a fairly time consuming hobby in and of itself. I find myself wanting to do other things...especially things away from the computer. Then, there are people like my mother, who really could benefit from a truly secure and stable system (well, here I must admit that my WinXP is both faster and more stable than my Mandrake 9.2 on the very same hardware). I can now see that getting her set up with a Linux system she could just get to work with would be a rather daunting task compared to getting a Windows system working reasonably well for her. If Linux distros are ever going to really be able to compete with Windows on the desktop, it's going to take a lot more than just a small group of happy tinker 'till you drop enthusiasts who are quite content to now and again sing choruses of Linux rules, MS sucks!. While I understand the unfortunate vicious circle reasons for it, I still cannot deny that the range of truly useful and refined software available for Windows remains a not altogether unimportant issue for someone wanting to switch from Windows to Linux (or even for someone ready to get their first computer with one or the other type of OS). Even after lots of searching for comparable programs and tweaking what I can, when I go from my Windows and the programs I have installed there to my Mandrake and its programs, it feels like a definite step backwards in terms of overall functionality and usefulness (and at this point at least, speed and stability is an issue as well). At the end of the day, all I really want is a tool (computer) that does what I want in a way that pleases me, and I must admit, at this point anyway, I can be persuaded to compromise my preferred principles in favor of a truly slick set of tools. Whenever I say something like that, I feel that I should qualify it by saying that other than the OS itself, I really don't use any MS software, but lots of third party software written for Windows systems. I'm going to keep working on tweaking my Mandrake, and I may eventually try other distros as well, but for the moment, I'm going to have to continue the heresy of using Windows for my mission-critical tasks, and also only recommend Linux desktop distros to the most tinker happy hardy souls. I wish it weren't so, but that's how I'm feeling about it right now. Anyway...I'm always grateful for this list. Even when I'm not asking specific questions, I'm learning many useful things from reading the questions and answers of others. I'm always very busy color coding messages for future reference! :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/3DDCjVbXUvsE8ukRAnT+AJwP27kuvd71NubBf2EcNj+jFrfXkACfaSBo 2pg7mE6a0YVXCF5Uhqkv3EE= =k8FH
Re: [newbie] How to run a Win program now in Wine?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 10 December 2003 10:00 pm, I wrote: I'm wondering though...after I log out, then log back into Mandrake, how do I run this particular program? Nevermind...I figured it out. Sorry for replying to myself, but I didn't want to waste anyone else's time. :-) - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/2BbfjVbXUvsE8ukRAiDsAJ9mLHd7iPKeWjdS2R240EvXssgfzQCgs9B9 +iXUKqLx3CHZZI6n1ani+XU= =NpcD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to run a Win program now in Wine?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Margot, On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 12:42:56 AM PST, you wrote: Melissa, I'm glad to hear that you solved your problem. Could you please post brief details of the solution? Okay. Below, I'll paste a message I sent to the wine users list, which includes my solution (not yet a console command, but a Bookmark). I'll paste the entire message, as it goes on to ask another question that is as yet unsolved. Here's that message: Hi, I'm new to Linux (Mandrake 9.2, running KDE desktop), and new to Wine. I have two hard drives in this computer, with WinXP installed in one, and Mandrake 9.2 installed in the other. Though I've managed to successfully get one Windows program running under Wine (MessageCleaner), I'm still a little confused...especially in trying my hand at getting one more Windows program installed and working under Wine. The way I dealt with MessageCleaner is as follows: 1) While booted into WindowsXP, I sent myself the installation file for MessageCleaner. Then, when I booted into Mandrake, I saved the file to a directory. I then did the following in a console (as user, not as SU): $ wine [path to directory...]/MessageCleanerInstall.exe 2) All went well, and it looked like a regular installation of the program was taking place, and the new program ran just fine. Not yet familiar with just where the program was installed, I went to Home (Konqueror), and performed a file search for MessageCleaner. Two results came up. The first result pointed to the directory where I had saved the MessageCleaner installation file (as seen in the above mentioned command), and the other result, interestingly to this newbie, was to: /mnt/windows/Program Files/MessageCleaner This last bit got me thinking, because I was a little confused as to why, when I ran my new MessageCleaner, it showed that it was already registered, and showed the serial number used in my WinXP installation of MessageCleaner. So... 3) In trying to figure out how I was to run MessageCleaner, I decided upon a bit of trial and error, and I did the following: In Konqueror, I navigated to: /mnt/windows/Program Files/MessageCleaner/MessageCleaner.exe I right-clicked on MessageCleaner.exe, and chose to put the location in my Bookmarks. I then went to my Bookmarks, and clicked on it, telling it to open with /usr/bin/wine (and I checked the option to have it always open with wine). This works! :-) So then... 4) I got bold, and wanted to see if I could repeat all the above mentioned steps for one more Windows program, so I went to the web and downloaded the installation file for another program that I'm already running in WinXP, and tried to run the same type of command that I describe in step number 1 above. This time, however, after hitting enter, nothing happened. The cursor in the console just remained where it was (the line below my command), and did nothing. So...I continued the experiment, and did the following: 5) Pondering the fact that my MessageCleaner seems to be running *from* the /mnt/windows/... directory, I tried to do the same thing with this other program, which I also already have installed on my Windows drive. Wine thinks for a bit, then disappears, and no program runs. I've decided to postpone any more trial and error for the moment, and ask you good people what I might try to see if this other program can be installed via Wine, and run here. The program in question is a Windows email client (The Bat!), and I've been told by other's that they have run The Bat! successfully under Wine. Can anyone give me some ideas as to how I might get TB! working under Wine? Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/2DhtjVbXUvsE8ukRAvunAJsHSM1VMst9h+9HrjZyxKm5PVnyegCeOnM4 G1n1sQ6iXEfl9aS0/X6YLa4= =ZWX0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Modem troubles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 10 December 2003 06:50 pm, deedee wrote: Did you figure that out? If not, open a terminal as a user (not as root) and type $ wine [path to]messagecleaner.exe Thank you deedee! The Windows program I installed (MessageCleaner) is even working! :-) - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1+VrjVbXUvsE8ukRAmREAJ0Th8BsVmC+T992BRIOYn6wxA5hLACgrY/8 kZXPsB5EoK9bc/kxA088Zek= =qf2L -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] How to run a Win program now in Wine?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Thanks to deedee's simple instructions, I've managed to install a Windows program into Wine (MessageCleaner...and it's working! :-)). At the moment, MC is still running since its installation. I'm wondering though...after I log out, then log back into Mandrake, how do I run this particular program? Can it be done only via command? (if so, what's the command?). Or, can I also create a shortcut to it? Thanks! - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/2AgUjVbXUvsE8ukRAmh/AKD+azr48TvfOqrnRbVJSCRDh5Aa5ACbBMRE AfHF8gGBuyOG6zQ9+UlJgDU= =0Bn4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Wine for Dummies Tutorial?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Before I boot back into Mandrake to do a bit more tweaking, I'd like to know if there's a *simple as possible* tutorial somewhere for setting up Wine and installing a program into (onto?) it? The tutorials I've found so far seem to assume that I'm already comfortable with the idea of manually creating/editing configuration files in Linux...which I'm not. At this point, there's just one Windows program I'd like to see if I can get to work under Wine (MessageCleaner). If I can get that set up to work in my Mandrake installation, it will, at the very least, give me a little extra time to get used to some of the Linux text editors and/or email/news clients and still be able to do a few specific things with certain types of text formatting/re-formatting of email and news group messages. So...are there any good Wine for *Complete Dummies* tutorials out there you could recommend? Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/1MqTjVbXUvsE8ukRAv22AKCpJ9SIPXDr53I8+qwvTfg2vbSg0ACdHcNJ IfR0r96Xfq0mJpBhwHgEGlM= =jUs5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Wine for Dummies Tutorial?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Scott, On Monday, December 08, 2003, at 11:05:49 AM PST, you wrote: Have you checked the Wine list to see if that program is supported? I didn't see it listed there, but thought I'd give it a try anyway. How else will I know if it can work or not? Or, must each program be specifically addressed by the writers of Wine before it even has a chance of working? - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/1NEMjVbXUvsE8ukRAm9UAJwOaSIzTntT3znpQhawMdhyIrqGKwCgzIvZ 9rUPQint01Q1S59a7oaSQIk= =KKKB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Wine for Dummies Tutorial?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Scott, On Monday, December 08, 2003, at 11:38:51 AM PST, you wrote: What does MessageCleaner do? Here's the MC site, which describes the various things it does: http://www.roundhillsoftware.com/MessageCleaner/ My regular Windows email client (The Bat!) does all that and more, so I only use MC with my news reader, because my Windows news reader (Forté Agent), while being pretty good in general, doesn't have a very capable message editor. I may well find some or all of these features in the various Linux email/news clients and text editors, but until I get to know all that they're capable of, I still want to be able to deal with message composition in email and news in a way more to my liking...hence wanting to be able to use a utility like MessageCleaner at the moment. - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/1NYmjVbXUvsE8ukRAv13AJ91+JjczOyL6fTVrtlC+9PRRRlGVwCcCKZm T46EoBC31sWmVYR0GvCtJT8= =uSx8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Wine for Dummies Tutorial?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 08 December 2003 12:09 pm, Scott St. John wrote: Googling for pan message cleaner brings up all kinds of things for the kitchen :) Hee hee! I already have a dishwasher, and I'm pretty sure it'll run under both Linux and Windows (maybe even Wine!). - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/1OEXjVbXUvsE8ukRAvriAJ0RPIGNW8kDojrRbC3speviJ8qs9ACgt4/9 RL6Bi0PrnoooGvwXIMlKqfM= =l/vt -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Eleven days...some thoughts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Charlie, On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 9:31:06 PM PST, you wrote: Joe: I use Sylpheed. I send mail. I receive mail. I have an address book. It does some cool stuff like we mentioned before, like auto-snipping, auto-formatting, etc. What am I missing here? Charlie: Nothing in fact. Just another persons opinion, and one who views the world through different filters. I quite agree, and have never expressed anything but my own opinions based upon my own experiences (and world view filters, of course :-)). I have a friend who is a dedicated windows user who says that the bat is not for him doesn't do anything more than what he likes, which happens to be outlook and outlook excuse. Indeed...for many, O/OE is all they want or need. Obviously, you for your own reasons, and me for mine, have decided that O/OE are not for us. Nothing inherently wrong with any of our choices, and I've never tried to infer anything of the sort. Never having used the bat, and at the risk of being shown what is so mind blowing about it, I would imagine hyperbole has been applied where it would better apply to Mandrake Linux, KDE, Ayers Rock or the Canadian Rockies and other wonders of the world. You're free to imagine all the hyperbole you wish to, but until you actually have experience with whatever someone else is expressing an opinion about, imagining is all you really have, no? Whatever might blow your mind - or not - is based entirely upon the filters you, and you alone, see the world through...even if it's based on incomplete information. How you gather your information upon which to base your opinions is, again, entirely up to you. I base my opinions about email clients or any other type of software on my own personal experiences...nothing more, nothing less. Before I had any experience with Linux and its email clients, I had no opinions whatsoever about them, because I had no actual experience upon which to form a comparative opinion. Now I do, and so I express my opinions. Joe asked a sincere question or two, and I did my best to give him a sincere answer. I realize this is a list about Mandrake/Linux, and all things associated, but isn't it also about each of us trying to make our computers *work for us*, whatever that means? I only have loyalty to any bit of software if *I* feel it deserves my loyalty. If/when I ever come across an email client that *I* feel is more useful to *me* than The Bat!, I'll adjust my loyalties in a nanosecond, without any regrets. That hasn't happened yet. :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/ywCDjVbXUvsE8ukRAv/0AKDp9qtfwXhs0xl0z8Ukzx5SDm2L7QCg8zAW yUyc5wggUruu+uZ/HGfTaM8= =WH6X -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] NTFS and Lilo in MBR
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Roger, On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 1:59:30 AM PST, you wrote: I have a hard drive with Windows XP Pro installed using NTFS. I want to put Mandrake 9.2 on a second hard drive. I've done exactly this, having recently installed MDK 9.2 on my second drive. If I tell the install program to put the Lilo boot loader on the NTFS drive in the MBR will it work or will the NTFS cause problems because Linux can't write to an NTFS drive? This is how I have my Lilo installed, and it works perfectly. - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/ycGujVbXUvsE8ukRAo5EAJwNs9klXhsHcyPjul9aRMt1vzqm4QCcDOXP nF1XICIakx9jd+6xk9Gulso= =ZnN4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Eleven days...some thoughts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, It's now been eleven days since I installed Mandrake, and I'd like to share a few thoughts. This may be a bit long, so I apologize in advance for my sound-byte challenged condition. First, I want to thank all of the very helpful and patient people on this list...you're all great! You've not only helped me with technical issues, but have also given me an appreciation for the community effort that is Mandrake in particular, and Linux in general. I'm going to keep working on tweaking my Mandrake and associated programs, but I'm also going to slow down the pace of my Linux project. You see, I'm a busy person, and I'm realizing that I'm spending way too much time staring at this silly screen, and not getting, amongst other things, enough sleep. Do beware though...I'm not through with you yet! No doubt I'll be back, sooner than you might hope...to ask more stupid and silly questions. :-) In another thread - leaving linux again - Void was concerned about not being able to get the television tuner working. Both the original post and the several replies allowed me to ponder the irony of the value of spending so much time staring at one type of screen or another. At the end of the day, how much real difference is there between watching television and watching a computer screen? I may happen to agree with many that between the two, spending time with the computer *can* be more productive than spending the same time looking at a television, but what about the time taken away by either from the rest of life? Remember the world just on the other side of our windows? No...not the Windoze or xWindows...but those transparent glass barriers between where we are at this moment, and all that fresh air out there! And what about spending some quality time curled up by the fire with a cup of tea and good book? As I said, my life is busy. I'm a musician, a kayaker, a boat builder, a chess player, a bicyclist, a reader, a beach bum, and another thing or two or three. I know the rest of you have lives beyond your computers as well, so I know you understand. I do enjoy keeping in touch with my friends via email, and I use my computer when I write poetry and prose. I use the computer to research things I'm interested in, and to play a bit of chess with people all over the world. It's a wonderful and rather amazing tool. However, it is the world beyond this keyboard, mouse, and monitor that fascinates me even more, and I'm feeling like I'm missing too much of it as I sit here for hours on end typing Klingon phrases into a little black Konsole (again...who's in charge of spelling around here?! :-)). Though tweaking software can be interesting to me - to a degree - I really only ever do it out of necessity...never because I just like to tweak. I'm finding that to be a Linux user *is* to tweak and to tinker, and in reality, I find myself doing more tinkering than emailing, playing chess, or writing. Worse yet, I'm doing more tinkering in the glow of this screen this past week than I am paddling my kayak and walking on the beach, and this I find disturbing. I know that after these initial weeks of understandable intensity I *should* be able to do a bit less tweaking and a bit more of other things, but I can also see an emerging pattern of increased screen time devoted just to the machine and OS itself, rather than just doing what I want with this tool, then moving on to other things. There are, after all, only 24 hours in each day, and I must balance my life a bit better than I have these past several days. A few thoughts about Windows versus Linux... I've come to really appreciate the Linux philosophy, and the community of users/developers that make all this possible. It really is pretty amazing. In spite of my general dislike of the Microsoft way, I must also acknowledge some of the really sophisticated and refined programs written for Windows. I'm not talking about MS applications beyond the OS itself, but about many third party applications that I truly enjoy using. Sometimes, when we're so passionate about one way of doing things over another, we can overlook some practical realities. There are indeed some really wonderful Windows programs that just don't have truly comparable Linux counterparts...yet. The email program I'm writing from at this moment (The Bat!) is one of those very elegant programs written for Windows, and is not, at this time, ported to Linux. For the sake of Linux users everywhere, I do hope someday it will be. I've been told that since it's written in Delphi, that may make the transition easier. I don't really know what that means in technical terms, but several people more knowledgeable than myself have told me this...and I hope it's true. With all the corresponding and writing I do, I've always been a bit of an email client junkie, and once I found The Bat!, I've never looked for another default email client. My curiosity keeps me looking at
Re: [newbie] [OT?]Replacement of GnuPG keys
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Charlie, On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 10:33:27 AM PST, you wrote: Since the security alert from this week recommended revocation and replacement of encryption keys I figured I'd just let the list know my keys are changed now. [snip] I also just wanted to remind others that this is a recommended course of action. It should, however, be noted that only the *non-default* type of ElGamal signing keys are affected by the vulnerability. If someone created only the standard DH/DSS type key pair, there's no need to revoke their keys and create new ones. People should read carefully the announcement of the vulnerability, and only revoke those keys that are truly vulnerable...if they have any of that type (a minority of GnuPG users). Here's the advisory: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2003q4/000276.html - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/ykFYjVbXUvsE8ukRAow7AKCiJTvUuPyEA6DkgR5UVppZZyQinwCfc3qX bvQAY//NWXsPKzeOh8sNKfE= =aaIC -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 9.2. Many proprietary apps gone...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Greg, On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 6:34:06 AM PST, you wrote: Have you applied any updates to the system. It sounds like the menu disappearing bug has bitten you. Try running 'update-menus -v' as root and see if that fixes it. I was bitten by that same bug, and it took a bit more than update-menus -v to fix it (just doing that didn't do anything for me), but I did eventually recover my missing menu items. I had to go into menudrake, then deal with the Menu Style bit, re-setting/saving the default KDE menu style (I'm not in Linux at the moment, so I can't remember the exact wording of the option, but it's fairly obvious once you see it). Then, after a re-start of the x-environment/KDE, I had my missing menu items back. Interestingly, during the time those menu items were missing from KDE, they were still there in Gnome desktop. - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/ymtGjVbXUvsE8ukRAlMNAKCuHvvp1gA8rJ/xbUZ/zBtFQvigVwCgitPo TN3jfv2w1JGd0Oav1kbV7/s= =sNR6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Eleven days...some thoughts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adolfo, On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 5:44:31 AM PST, you wrote: What I am trying to say is that people who feel that their passion is hacking or tweaking software and hardware may feel that they have a richer life than others who don't do it. Do lawyers have a richer life than engineers and physicians? It is not what you do but how you feel about. Yes...I understand, appreciate, and agree with your point Adolfo. I certainly wasn't trying to say that others *should* have passions similar to mine, or making any sort of value judgement about other people's passions...even if those passions *were* to sit in front of a computer much of the day. I also agree that what we spend our time doing does not, at least entirely, define *who* we are...though what we choose to spend our time with, hopefully, is indeed a reflection of who we are (otherwise, we wouldn't really be living our lives, would we?). However...read on... All those things that make people more productive, leaving them more time to enjoy their passions or pastimes, have to be thanked to hackers and tweakers. Well, let's step back a bit and think about this interesting statement of yours... When desktop computers were first coming into wider usage, most people were saying what a great savings of paper and time these machines represented for our lives, but as we now know, the use of paper products has multiplied severalfold, and we spend much more of our lives sitting in front of computers in place of doing other things. When you mention the computer allowing us more time to enjoy our passions and pastimes, I have to wonder instead how spending time in front of computers has *become* many people's passion/pastime, and has in fact *replaced* the time formerly spent pursuing more active passions and pastimes in the real world as opposed to the virtual world (yes, there is reality in cyber-space, but it's of a different sort). People really into baseball, for example, can spend hours *sitting* in front of a video screen not so many inches from their face gathering all the succulent baseball statistics their eyes and minds can absorb, yet at the end of the day, they've spent a lot less time outdoors either watching or playing the actual game themselves! In this sense, as far as one's general health and sense/experience of the world goes, there's little difference between sitting in front of a television or sitting in front of a computer (perhaps even worse with the computer in one sense, because one's eyes are so close to a computer monitor for such prolonged periods, whereas a television is usually at least a bit further from one's eyes). I'm old enough to have noted that more people seem to be wearing glasses and contacts earlier on in life, and I'm pretty sure that computer usage could have something to do with this, considering the amount of time so many people spend with their eyes quite close to these video screens. Back before there were tools for artificial music reproduction, more people per family actually sang played musical instruments together, and went to more live concerts to satisfy their personal passions for music. With the advent of machines that could bring the recorded sound of a symphony into one's living room, people became, in general, much less personally *active* in their involvement with music. Before movies and television, going to the theatre for dramatic entertainment was much more common, as were live theatres themselves. I'm certainly not saying that computers, televisions, and home stereos are evil in and of themselves, but I am pondering the new balance of time/energies they've introduced into our lives, and wondering about the impact *passion for these things* has changed the way we live...often from more active pursuits to a more passive experience of life...becoming a bit more of a spectator than a participant in so many ways. In general, I dare to say, our lifestyle is the product of people whose passion was not related at all to the other side of the window. Yes, and I'm not so sure that all lifestyle changes have been entirely positive (see small rant just above :-)). Melissa, if there is something in my writing that may sound rude or harsh, blame it on my english. I really didn't mean it. I quite enjoyed reading your comments, and didn't feel they were in any way harsh. :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/yrmPjVbXUvsE8ukRAug3AJ45dz+z/jo4KuAsn1vjBkkhmTEkMACfWBnI lGPI9xgEatEE/h1kW4qbCsU= =H+zJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] External editors with Kmail/Sylpheed-claws/Knode/Pan?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Can anyone recommend some capable text editors that I can use as external editors with various email and news clients? Being a Virgo, I'm pretty picky about how I present messages, and would like a bit more plain text formatting functionality than I'm finding, at least so far, within the various email/news clients. Here are a couple of things I'd like to be able to do (perhaps these *are* available already from within the clients mentioned in the subject, and if so, feel free to point them out to me)... 1) The ability to re-flow text - especially quoted text of any quote level - to my preferred wrap length. This would be especially useful when replying to messages where I cut up a paragraph of quoted text into smaller bits in order to insert my comments. A small example: When I cut up quoted paragraphs for reply insertion, the bits of quoted text can look like this: qqq qq qqq In cases like that, I would like to be able to re-flow it to look more like this: q qqq qqq 2) If I'm quoting text that has been mangled by the previous sender's email/news client, I'd like to be able to clean it up. An example of this: Sometimes, I'm faced with something like this: q q qqq q qqq qq I would like to clean that up as well. 3) When I create or quote numbered items (or some other type of bulleted items), I'd like to be able to format/re-format the items so that the second and subsequent lines are indented to start directly underneath the first line, instead of those lines starting at the very left margin, as you can see in this email. In Windows, my email client (The Bat!) can do these sorts of things (and much more!), and I've also used a cleanup utility called MessageCleaner along with my news reader to accomplish these things. I'm looking at Emacs, and while it has many options, It'll take me a while to learn all of its capabilities, and I haven't yet found the above mentioned options in it. Any recommendations will be appreciated...thanks! - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/x9DajVbXUvsE8ukRAr1lAJ42Wc0dy2/6CLOV7LgsaYDalLAUIwCfawvv tyCwqM9iDQDCIKHeaDG1zkE= =jnbw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT? Critical Flan in GnuPG
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 28 November 2003 05:25 pm, Chris wrote: Thought I'd pass this along. Not sure if it applies to anyone. - Critical flaw in GnuPG - [snip] It does indeed apply to a minority of GnuPG users who elected to create *non-default* type ElGamal signing keys. Anyone who only created the default type of signing/encrypting key pairs are not affected by this flaw. However, your subject line mentioned Critical Flan. For more information about critical flan, please see: http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/flan.htm ;-) - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/x/wljVbXUvsE8ukRAkGPAJ9r1GSPz68vkMfBBTD/XSVr0pABCQCdEdXi wEh3ypxHyNFws9NZUNiKi1A= =2VxL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KNode/Pan not getting all posts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've been trying out both Knode and Pan for news reading, and while I like them, I just noticed that they're not downloading all recent posts. A little while ago, I was in Windows, and I downloaded new posts via Forte Agent. Then, I booted into Mandrake, and downloaded posts with both KNode and Pan. I'm using the same news server for all of them, but both KNode and Pan missed a few posts that Agent did get (the same posts). I know the posts in question weren't cancelled. Does anyone know why/how this could happen? Thanks! - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/xlVIjVbXUvsE8ukRAp53AKDjTvPa/EwkBH25F0XX2F6yzLJ1ZgCgnvcG F2DKOtRFlS3gesGDjjTmrOs= =IVRQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KNode/Pan not getting all posts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 November 2003 11:49 am, I wrote: I've been trying out both Knode and Pan for news reading, and while I like them, I just noticed that they're not downloading all recent posts. Oops! Please disregard my previous post! After a bit more investigation, I realize my mistaken perception... The posts in question were originally cross-posted to a couple of groups, then at one point in the thread, a follow-up was set to only one of the two groups. Once I went to the proper group, the posts were there in both KNode and Pan. Sorry for the false alarm! :-) - -- Melissa (still an idiot...even though I'm now using Linux! :-)) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/xldNjVbXUvsE8ukRAuDaAKDDxhaEnblbznAjJ5Z7tlkQKYnGtgCeMalf b4+Me/HYzz80yalhx2GIxzI= =rpss -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Kmail: Address book import
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 November 2003 11:36 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Sorry for rambling on - just thinking aloud and hoping that something here gets you on the right lines. Not terribly helpful, I'm afraid, except to say that importing does work, once you find the best format for compatibility. Don't be sorry...I appreciate all your help! :-) The next time I'm in Windows, I'll export my address book in .csv format, then play with the different import options in Kmail. Eventually, through error and trial, I'll sort things out. Thanks again, - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/xHvSjVbXUvsE8ukRArHOAJsGEeVDXbevttUq3E/fBnUSY0lC4ACfUB7w zw3H+zKA3HQqQjbFB/G3OkM= =bKMK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Kmail: Address book import
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I saw in the address book import options in Kmail that .vcf files could be imported. So...I went to my Windows email program and exported all the addresses to a single .vcf file. When I tried to import that file into the Kmail address book, it would only offer to import *one* address! What have a done wrong here? Thanks! - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wwz5jVbXUvsE8ukRAhr0AKD0VFpetosDSsrXiQaglj/M2KozXQCfeH4E GtnYXXGCJnyOT5du6SHRu6k= =aX5I -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KDE Menu issue revisited
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm still trying to figure out why several menu items are missing from my K menu in KDE. Does the error message below give you any hints? [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa]# menudrake ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! Menudrake did open up, and after it did its scan, it did show *all* the missing menu items as being there. Save acts like it's saving, but nothing is changed after that. I hope someone can help me. For a few reasons, I do feel I prefer the KDE desktop over Gnome, but Gnome doesn't have the menu problem that KDE does. Please help! Thanks! - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wxAgjVbXUvsE8ukRAsLlAKCNrmCYfU3mbmM/JG0rqq8Wjo7MkwCeJ14E G2X1d7i6iDjP5+Pgw9XJzdk= =ulud -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KNode: Disabled delete?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 24 November 2003 08:14 pm, Melissa Reese wrote: This seems such a basic function, so I'm sure I'll feel sufficiently stupid when someone points it out to me, but could you anyway? How do I delete unwanted headers/posts from the message index? I should add that I do indeed see the delete option, but it's disabled. What do I need to do to enable delete? Thanks, - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wxWcjVbXUvsE8ukRAuHyAKDsax1BqmN25QJWCMeF6N0kyRX99ACeOAqP ze+Iqy2EqYTUdyfSXOf4mEI= =hhSX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE Menu issue revisited
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 November 2003 12:17 am, Melissa Reese wrote: I hope someone can help me. Eek! My KDE menus are back! :-) I went into MenuDrake once more, and this time I dealt with the menu style option (I've done this before, but the changes never stuck...this time it worked!). It seems that persistence, if nothing else, can eventually prevail (or was it just dumb luck? :-)). Now on to other things... like why I can't use the Delete Article option in Knode (option is there, just disabled). Anyway...thanks, as always, for putting up with my constant questions (and conversations with self!). - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wx88jVbXUvsE8ukRAs1HAKC2D9Ze98SIVEVMHb2M4DjlfKmcIgCfWtxv q31vhPbuitZbd6AKYt9J6R8= =I7mO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KNode: Disabled delete?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi et, On Monday, November 24, 2003, at 9:36:21 PM PST, you wrote: select the headers you want to delete? :-) Of course I did. I know that KNode is an online reader, but there must be a way to delete unwanted headers. It's important to me at the moment because one group that I read regularly is under attack from a silly flooder (is that what they're called?). These unwanted headers are quickly filling up the message list, making it difficult to find the worthwhile posts. I looked at Pan, but I think I like KNode more. I wanted to try slrn as well, but when I try to start it, a console pops up for a few seconds, then disappears...and no slrn shows up. I have no idea what's going on with that. In any event, if I can sort out the header deletion issue with KNode, that would be great! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/wzPYjVbXUvsE8ukRAue2AJ4k7MOF+J43qbmRsw8b0ZxqzGWbdQCeJRAZ 11XhtK0bGm/LrpgXeejN+9A= =8kQW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] GnuPG - getting it set up
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 24 November 2003 01:01 pm, Charlie Mahan wrote: Why not just open the terminal, su to become super user and copy and paste the command in? Isn't that easier? If you want to type the lines in manually you have to type _exactly_ what I posted to use the sources I showed. Well, except for this one (note the missing './' before hdlist.cz): urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/plf/mandrake/9.2 with hdlist.cz Once I made that last bit look like the following, all was well: ... /9.2 with ./hdlist.cz Thanks again Charlie...I did get it all set up as you recommended, and It is nicer than having to switch between several CDs to perform certain updates. - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wnpzjVbXUvsE8ukRAg+qAJ9eQEpzz2ftHm4rRp0txLhCEkO6DQCgmfZ6 gJ9RuGVBfl2U3qk3cTw5G0A= =DxLC -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound, no pictures
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 23 November 2003 07:23 pm, Adolfo Bello wrote: I also read somewhere that going to menudrake and just saving without doing anything else would restore your icons. I tried that as well, and still no luck. It does seem very strange, because menudrake *does* detect and show all the missing items...it just won't restore them to my K menu. Good luck! Thanks! Apparently, I'll need a little more luck still! :-) - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wn4fjVbXUvsE8ukRAgEPAJ9gp4ymovHW0cQNcezFUggnPM/5QgCglblK 4C4FzkcHfnkZJ0hIlqfpiWw= =4zJc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Connecting From 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 24 November 2003 12:58 pm, Margot wrote: Is your computer part of a LAN, or is it standalone? If you are not part of a LAN, there is no point trying to configure it! If you have just the one standalone computer, and you are trying to connect to the internet via a modem, the Type should be 'modem' not 'lan'. Hi Margot, I was thinking the same thing during the time I was trying to get my connection working, but eventually, it was while still in lan configuration mode that I got mine working. During installation (and any time I used the network wizard in automatically detect mode, it detected my NIC as being a lan connection. I just kept that default detection, and found my solution somewhere else...by re-setting my cable modem before booting into Mandrake (Linksys external cable modem connected directly to the NIC via ethernet cable). If I then want to boot into Windows, I have to again shut down, reset the modem, then boot up. And so it goes, re-setting the modem between booting into Linux or Windows. At least it's working...sort of. I've been told to consider switching the hard drive where Mandrake lives to be the master of the two hard drives (it's currently the slave), and this might make things a bit smoother. I've also been told that if I try that, I should be very careful about static electricity when switching the connections between the two drives, or I can fry everything...so I haven't tried that yet. :-) - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/woP8jVbXUvsE8ukRAgL2AJ4y3oYzB4iwbAfw5Gs3GFkFX8Q0fwCg5sDh 8eMkUMt3hfbIveLYwtVBU6Y= =Ipoq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to stop Auto connect internet on boot?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 20 November 2003 11:50 pm, Bob Read wrote: Can anyone tell me how to discontinue the automatic connection to the internet on boot? Hi Bob, If you run drakconnect (network/connection wizard thingy) in expert mode, one of the screens has, at the bottom, a few options you can scroll down to (I think just above this is a drop-down menu for DHCP host name). The very last option you can scroll down to allows you to enable or disable connect at boot (something like that). - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/woeajVbXUvsE8ukRAhZ5AJ9wq3vIyCFDxTrItQ0sILw7hsRIOgCgq1uC zxO1dqqnfOsV6fuA2V1MAcA= =kAIS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] KNode: Disabled delete?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've been using KNode for news reading the past few days, and it's pretty nice (I'm used to using Forte Agent in Windows). There is one thing that I can't figure out...how do I manually delete headers of threads and/or message bodies of unwanted articles? This seems such a basic function, so I'm sure I'll feel sufficiently stupid when someone points it out to me, but could you anyway? How do I delete unwanted headers/posts from the message index? Thanks! - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wtckjVbXUvsE8ukRAjhMAKDcUeUXf6OjKpCfp2Hr0lZ1fykf4wCg9V0+ 60EqgpLfOyVzvrIkLu4c//0= =kmHo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ML 9.2 News page on the twiki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 24 November 2003 10:05 pm, Eric Huff wrote: The best example is the disappearing menus: it was covered a bunch of times, and now we can just point people to the page. After an issue goes away we can remove it from the page. Hmmm. There are still missing menu items when I'm running the KDE desktop, but in Gnome desktop, they're all here! I'm beginning to like Gnome anyway, so I'm no longer in panic mode about the missing menu items. I still would like to sort out the menus in KDE. - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wvOXjVbXUvsE8ukRAkJpAJ9kjQjYXm1sdvBq4xHhvqfn7bBLCACff7B+ Via+I3DF0aRYMaMnnbhWGfg= =wz8f -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Eek! Am I really connected?!
On Saturday 22 November 2003 09:22 pm, Melissa Reese wrote: This is a test. It looks like I've sorted out my ethernet connection. We'll see if this goes anywhere. :-) Sorry to reply to myself, but I've noticed a peculiar thing... After I installed the basic updates (including some update files for drakconnect), I did the following, which seems to have enabled my ethernet connection in Mandrake: I shut down the computer, and unplugged my cable connection. I then plugged the cable back in, and booted directly into Mandrake. Connection established, IP address acquired, etc. No problem. Until... I tried to re-start the computer, this time booting into Windows. Oops! No connection, and my Windows wouldn't even fully boot up (the firewall didn't start, nor did a few other programs that normally start with Windows). And...I got a few peculiar error messages...something to do with shell stuff (sorry, I didn't write them down). Anyway... I then did the following... I shut down the computer, unplugged the cable, plugged the cable back in, then booted directly into Windows. Everything was back to normal, and the connection was good. Then... I re-started (this time without unplugging/re-plugging the cable...to see what would happen), and booted into Mandrake. Back to no successful DHCP, so no IP address, etc. :-( Then... I again shut down the machine, unplugged the cable, plugged it back in, then booted into Mandrake. This time I got the full connection! So...it seems that I now know what I need to do in order to connect with Mandrake, but if I want to switch between Mandrake and Windows, I have to unplug/re-plug the cable between every boot! Can anyone think of why Mandrake and Windows don't like to share? Could it have something to do with the fact Mandrake is on the Slave hard drive, and Windows is on the Master? (I could switch that status if that would help). Thanks again! -- Melissa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] GnuPG - getting it set up
On Saturday 22 November 2003 10:47 pm, Charlie Mahan wrote: First since I hate switching CDs: urpmi.removemedia -a Eek! Which media am I removing? Then: urpmi.addmedia main ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/Mand rake/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia contrib ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/contrib/i 586 with ../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/plf/mandrake/9.2 with hdlist.cz urpmi.addmedia update_source ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/updates/9.2/R PMS with ../base/hdlist.cz Thanks...and I'll do the above, but before I do, can you explain to me just what it is I'm trying to do with this remove/add media stuff? After that, and since you're using KDE as the desk-top manager: urpmi kgpg enter Thanks! -- Melissa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] GnuPG - getting it set up
On Saturday 22 November 2003 10:47 pm, Charlie Mahan wrote: First since I hate switching CDs: urpmi.removemedia -a Then: urpmi.addmedia main ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/Mand rake/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz Eek! I tried this first one (after the urpmi.removemedia -a command), and got this (see the problem in the last two lines): [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa]# urpmi.removemedia -a removing medium Installation CD1 (cdrom1) removing medium Installation CD2 (cdrom2) removing medium International CD (cdrom3) removing medium International CD (cdrom4) removing medium Commercial Apps CD (cdrom5) removing medium Commercial Apps CD (cdrom6) removing medium Contrib CD (cdrom7) removing medium Sources CD1 (cdrom8) removing medium MDK92Update found 0 headers in cache removing 0 obsolete headers in cache write config file [/etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg] [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa]# urpmi.addmedia main ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586 with ../base/hdlist.cz added medium main retrieving source hdlist (or synthesis) of main... ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/base/hdlist.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/base/synthesis.hdlist.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/synthesis.hdlist.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/synthesis.hdlist.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/base/synthesis.hdlist1.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/base/synthesis.hdlist2.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/synthesis.hdlist1.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/synthesis.hdlist2.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/synthesis.hdlist1.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/synthesis.hdlist2.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/base/hdlist.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/hdlist.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/hdlist.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/base/hdlist1.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/base/hdlist2.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/hdlist1.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/hdlist2.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/hdlist1.cz ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/hdlist2.cz retrieve of source hdlist (or synthesis) failed no hdlist file found for medium main examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.main.cz] problem reading synthesis file of medium main unable to update medium main Hmmm... What should I do now? (I haven't gone on to the next one yet...I'll be patient). Thanks! -- Melissa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] GnuPG - getting it set up
On Sunday 23 November 2003 01:16 am, Melissa Reese wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa]# urpmi.addmedia main ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586 with ../base/hdlist.cz Oops! I'm an idiot! I mis-typed the command. It's working now. Sorry about that! -- Melissa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] GnuPG - getting it set up
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 23 November 2003 01:40 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: -select the text you want to enter on the command line with your left mouse button, then go to the xterm window you've got opened for the CML. By middle clicking on the CML it will reproduce the selected text. Thanks. Also, Charlie made a small typo, but I figured it out, and was successful. Here's what he typed: urpmi.addmedia plf ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/plf/mandrake/9.2 with hdlist.cz He forgot the \./\ before the \hdlist.cz\ Anyway...thanks Charlie! I have all of that now, and even kgpg installed. :-) I just imported my keys, and added ultimate trust to my own, so let's see what happens now! :-) - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wItujVbXUvsE8ukRAnB+AJwJucvJFMAi6vvCx3a+e2mreMPL6gCffq9V lG9F1SJDODmPlyEEbdjcQ/s= =v7o4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Wine (or others)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm now interested in seeing if I can run my favorite Windows email client (The Bat!) in my Mandrake. I've read various accounts of people running TB! very well under Wine, and others saying that they've had problems (like not being able to completely import all folders, etc.). Considering the latter, I'd also be willing to start from scratch with it, creating all the accounts afresh, and creating all my folders, filter rules, templates, etc. Are there programs other than Wine that I might also look into? Is there an online tutorial somewhere that explains how one goes about installing/using Wine or other similar programs? Thanks! - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wSIcjVbXUvsE8ukRAsasAKDWm5wGcUGrm7NosjnUsTsD1rcVFwCfcGsK pYZ62+LmUN3kShoA7owLwkY= =aTlz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Local SMTP server?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 23 November 2003 02:43 am, Richard Urwin wrote: Postfix or Sendmail. Of these Postfix is probably the easiest to set up, but the list has plenty of Thanks Richard. Being still rather Windows wimpy, I'll probably want to start with the easier set up...Postfix. Can someone steer me in the right direction for installing and setting up Postfix? Thanks! - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wScjjVbXUvsE8ukRAiDrAJ4/B3l0a+P6mNzZ7lZ2rXC2AH6TTwCgoorv BW9z+H1DbCdikb8ZCTrWT3c= =TrZc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Wine (or others)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Robin, I'm back to Windows for the moment... On Sunday, November 23, 2003, at 3:19:09 PM PST, you wrote: Try wine by all means, but you might first consider looking at the multitude of mail programs for Linux. Whatever features make you like the Bat, you'll probably find somewhere. I've looked at several Linux email clients, and I've yet to find anything that even comes close to The Bat in terms of overall mail management/interface, filter and template power, or composition (TB! has many useful plain text editing options that I haven't seen in any of the Linux clients I've looked at or tried so far). I've also asked around on some Bat user's mail lists, and *all* of the Linux users say that they've never seen any Linux email client that comes close in these areas that are important to me (and to them). For those with high expectations with regards to email clients, while they might use Linux for many things, they still keep Windows around so they can use TB for their email. Others have said that the *only* reason they're reluctant to make a complete switch to Linux from Windows is not being able to run TB natively on Linux. What I really wish for is to have The Bat ported to Linux, so that all of us can benefit from this amazing email client! :-) I've been told that since The Bat is written in Delphi, it shouldn't be too difficult to port it to Linux (and yes...I've written to the TB developers asking them to do this). I just hope it can happen soon. I'm pretty happy with Knode as a news reader (haven't yet tried slrn or others), but I'm having a real hard time getting used to what I feel are pretty major downgrade issues moving from The Bat to any of the Linux clients I've seen so far. I'll keep looking and trying, but so far, the search has been disappointing. - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/wUqljVbXUvsE8ukRAl6WAKCmdm8fdHO3D9B4cPvnXWkrIAcVIwCgwVBn xP/q2A/0VcW0LXZnHNYqjVY= =3qUW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] No sound, no pictures
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Aside from the disappearing K menu items (still really bothersome for me), there are two other issues I'm wondering about. Lack of sound, and being able to open pictures (.png, .jpg, etc.). If someone sends a picture attached to an email, and I try to open it, I get the following error message: KDEInit could not launch kiconedit Could not find kiconedit executable Also, there's no sound. My sound card (nvidia GeForce2) was recognized during installation. I tried to enable a sound for incoming mail in Kmail, but when I try the Test button, no sound is forthcoming. Also, I don't know if Mandrake/KDE is supposed to be so silent, but it is totally silent. I haven't yet tried to play a music CD, but I'm still trying to find all the missing programs that went away with my usual K menu items. So, sound and pictures...any ideas? Also...any more ideas for getting all those menu items back? (I guess this should be in a different thread, so I may start a new one). Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/wVzVjVbXUvsE8ukRAuDpAKDF9nKRhPuJImMEo0hNpRESlPHU7ACgqs3i +CKZ6envVFnwSZSVsU9mpjU= =eww4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Local SMTP server?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi John, On Sunday, November 23, 2003, at 5:07:15 PM PST, you wrote: The odds are that if you're configured to use email in MDK you already have Postfix installed. :-) :-) This brings me to another question or two... Where do I find it? I'm still struggling with the missing K menu items after updating my MDK, so I don't know how to get to many programs that were once very easy to find (most items in the former Configuration sub-menu, Emacs is now missing from the Editors sub-menu, and several other things I can't remember the names of at the moment). I wish I could even remember all the programs I saw in those original menu items, but I just can't offer a comprehensive or accurate list of them from memory, so I don't want to confuse matters even more by trying. I've tried the command for updating the menus (can't remember it offhand), but that didn't work for me. This menu mess is a real problem for me, because I just don't know all the commands necessary to open up any program I might have installed, and without the menus, I have no idea where to look for them. In fact, without an accurate menu listing of *all* the programs installed, how am I to know what I have installed and what's not installed? :-) Thanks. - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/wWFpjVbXUvsE8ukRAlBJAJ0S/mmBw1ODWF5WEJQKtMEb7oXZPwCeMZAt m2BA9iPfnUmrtghJ3cjX7oU= =D6Ix -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound, no pictures
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 23 November 2003 05:20 pm, Melissa Reese wrote: If someone sends a picture attached to an email, and I try to open it, I get the following error message: KDEInit could not launch kiconedit Could not find kiconedit executable Well, disregarding kiconedit for the moment, I did manage to get pictures to show... In trying to solve my K menu problem (still not completely solved, but better now), I used the AppFinder. It found 31 legacy programs, and added them to the K menu (Emacs is back, as well as other email clients, etc., but the sub-menu I really wanted back is still missing...the Configurations menu (included such things as rpmdrake and other packages options, Mandrake Control Center, etc.). Anyway...amongst the lost programs that was found with AppFinder was Gimp. Gimp did open up a .png picure file I clicked on, though instead of just displaying the picture, it opened up all of its various picture editing bits as well. Is there a program (kiconedit perhaps?) that only displays a picture file without all the editing options being brought up as well? In any event, I'll keep trying to find my lost menu items. :-/ - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wWzAjVbXUvsE8ukRAuojAJ4pi0oNaJNbEW0YcGv0II3KxM6ZNACgp46i +mzYVRBXg99WZZE8rW/amuQ= =P0oi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound, no pictures
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 23 November 2003 06:36 pm, Adolfo Bello wrote: Try this to recover your menu: Ctrl-Alt-F2 login as root update-menus -n -v Ctrl-Alt-F7 Hi Adolfo, Thanks for trying to help, but this didn't change anything. I don't think all those configuration programs were un-installed during installation of the updates, because I can still get to the Mandrake Control Center via the command line (mcc), but I don't know the commands for all the others. I'd still rather just have the sub-menu I used to have. I've also looked at the menu configuration options, and couldn't find anything to restore what I had before. This is really strange and disturbing. Thanks for trying! :-) - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wXV2jVbXUvsE8ukRAupIAJ96Wo0sYXqZv+NVN8iTrBHF42VL1gCeJuDW RoblEL3KYPHWW6AzJQ+/jMM= =eaEx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Connecting From 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 23 November 2003 06:43 pm, Langsley T Russell wrote: At this point my only choice is to open the Mandrake Control Center select Networking and click on the connect/disconnect button. There just has to be an easier way. I'm certainly no expert (others here will confirm!), but because I did go through quite a bit trial and error to get my connection working, I did notice a thing or two along the way... If you run the wizard again, you can choose, in addition to automatically detect, expert mode. In one of the screens, there's a drop-down list at the botton, and at the bottom of that list is something about connecting during boot up (something like that). I did think this was the default setting, but you may want to run the wizard in expert mode once again just to be sure that option is enabled. - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wX7vjVbXUvsE8ukRAlegAKCi6/V3b7TnKzhe1fFGWI4MPYaTpgCfRKp/ dxr2kqd1BGEUE7EyYTXFWLI= =Tph6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound, no pictures
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adolfo, On Sunday, November 23, 2003, at 7:23:09 PM PST, you wrote: I also read somewhere that going to menudrake and just saving without doing anything else would restore your icons. I tried that too. When I opened up menudrake, I got all excited because I saw all the menu items I've been missing! Supposedly, menudrake only displays those items that are installed and available, so I thought I was in luck. But alas, when I saved, nothing changed in my actual K menu. Even after a re-start (I tried both types of re-starts...just the X environment, and also a complete machine re-start. Still no luck. :-( What could this be? - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/wYnkjVbXUvsE8ukRAhVMAJ9RVRNIg7ToYUPCWKFMdNemnW55/QCg2AFd tt+0lon+Gt+uzIdaUAx7s7A= =1o/x -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound, no pictures
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 23 November 2003 05:20 pm, I wrote: Also, there's no sound. My sound card (nvidia GeForce2) was recognized during installation. Oops! That's my video card! :-) My sound card is Sound Blaster Live 5.1. So...any ideas about why I have no sound? Thanks. - -- Melissa -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wY+NjVbXUvsE8ukRApP5AKCGY3Kbp+fs6y0fR1AoY6X9Ne/TzwCg0Tc5 aRvqHO4ZuACeHTF2zANv+lM= =3SXl -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating, dependencies, etc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Greg, On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 11:47:17 AM PST, you wrote: Yes. Put them all on one disk, ... I'm still a little confused (my natural state)... What exactly do you mean by them all? At the MDK ftp updates site, there is a folder called 9.2. Inside that folder are three folders (Base, RPMS, and SRPMS) and a few loose files (descriptions, ls-lR, md5sums) [I'm not sure if that one file is ls-lR, or Is-IR (or something else?). Anyway... Are all the actual update files contained in RPMS and SRPMS? ... then define the disk as a urpmi source. Then you can go into the software installer and it will tell you what needs to be updated. To define them as a source, go into the software sources manager and add the disk or directory. To lessen my own confusion a bit, I did the following: I created three new directories (by the way...where's the most logical place to put such directories?), and copied/pasted the contents of their corresponding folders from the CD-R: 1) /MDKUpdateRPMS 2) /MDKUpdateSRPMS 3) /MDKUpdateBase (I also put the three loose files in here) Then, I added each of those new directories to the list of places to look for updated files. Here's how I added the new directories: K menu, then to Configuration/Packaging/Software Media Manager. Was that the right place to deal with that to make the files available to urpmi? 2) If I do have all the files on one CD-R, what is the best way to install what's needed and/or wanted? Put them all in one directory available from Linux. Again...where's the most logical place to put such a directory? For the moment, I've placed them under /home/melissa/... The command is urpmi --auto-select --update This will install all the security fixes and updates based on the packages you already have installed, in other words, updating them to the latest versions. Oops! Here's what I get from that command: Everything is already installed What am I doing wrong here? Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/v8yfjVbXUvsE8ukRAivvAKCxeKttTFZP9IBFcNnjtypNNCVrAwCgx14r XntaDZy6vU3d8pNW6JJK4bU= =HmGR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating, dependencies, etc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Me, On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 12:58:34 PM PST, I wrote: Then, I added each of those new directories to the list of places to look for updated files. Here's how I added the new directories: K menu, then to Configuration/Packaging/Software Media Manager. Was that the right place to deal with that to make the files available to urpmi? Oh! Also... In the where I'm defining the path to the directories, there's an option I don't understand: [ ] relative path to synthesis/hdlist What does this mean? I did notice that if I right-click on one of media sources in the list, there's a choice to regenerate hdlist (something like that), but I don't know what this means. Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/v88DjVbXUvsE8ukRAmKcAKDqBHe8rJeIYCzIiE80ZPhvF5/kYQCeLj/C Lg+3x2rp856MgAaqoZwslWY= =dbg1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Updating, dependencies, etc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Charlie, On Saturday, November 22, 2003, at 1:23:56 PM PST, you wrote: urpmi.update -a urpmi --auto-select enter Thanks...that worked well. Now though... After that update session, several menu items were missing. I then used the following command: update-menus -v, and things looked *almost* normal again (fewer items in the task bar). But then... I went into the menu/task bar configuration options, and experimented there a bit (I thought I was just adding a few menu items to the main K menu). When I finished with that, my K menu didn't look anything like what I expected, and certain applications are no longer in any of the sub-menus! Some notable missing items: Configuration sub-menu is missing. I can only get to Mandrake Control Center via the mcc command in a Konsole, but I don't know how to get to the other configuration options that used to be under the now missing configuration sub-menu. Emacs is gone from the text editor sub-menu! Eek! Where did it go? There are several other changes to the K menu and its sub-menus, and missing icons that were normally on the task bar by default. I'm not sure what I've done, but for the moment, I'd kind of like to get back to the K menu/sub-menus and task bar that I'm still trying to get used to. I'd also just like to know why when I try to *add* things, other things disappear? Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/wDwfjVbXUvsE8ukRAlvQAKCOy1WOOYtYK4YJlskaqGH76pJDmwCdG4DD 6qDuWCVsOssIKZ4cONnuIww= =J7qe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Eek! Am I really connected?!
Hi This is a test. It looks like I've sorted out my ethernet connection. We'll see if this goes anywhere. :-) -- Melissa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Eek! Am I really connected?!
On Saturday 22 November 2003 09:44 pm, Charlie Mahan wrote: Happy now? (-; Yes! Thanks to everyone who has suffered through my troubles and helped me anyway! :-) I still have a lot to figure out here (currently dealing with my missing menu items issue), but I'll get it sorted out eventually. Now I have to figure out how to set up my GnuPG (I've copied my GnuPG keyrings and trustdb to a holding directory for now, but I don't know where to put them). Also...are the extensions for the keyrings and name of trustdb the same in Windows and Linux? I should start a new thread for that stuff...so don't worry about answering these questions in this thread, as it would only get lost. Thanks again! -- Melissa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] GnuPG - getting it set up
Hi, Now that my ethernet connection is fully functional, I'd like to start experimenting with the various email clients. I'm starting out with Kmail. In Windows, I'm using GnuPG, so I'd like to get my GnuPG keyrings and trustdb into my Mandrake installation, but I have no idea how to go about this...or even where to put them. Can anyone give me some ideas? Thanks! -- Melissa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Local SMTP server?
Hi, Another question, another thread... In Windows, because I found several of the SMTP servers of my various accounts to be unreliable, I've been using my own little SMTP server to send mail from all my accounts. I *know* there must be such a thing I can set up in Mandrake. Can anyone steer me in the right direction? Thanks! -- Melissa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installation aborted - by me
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi John, On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 11:38:43 PM PST, you wrote: Of course you can start all over again, and maybe you ought to, just for experience, but linux offers you many solutions, you can run XFdrake from that root terminal instead, to configure your monitor and video card, and startX on bootup. Thanks John... but I did sort this issue out hours ago. Now, I'm trying to figure out how to get the silly thing connected to the Internet! :-) Please see my other message: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll also add this (from the Mandrake Control Center hardware detection output): Vendor: Silicon Integrated Systems Bus: PCI Bus Identification: 1039:900:1043:80a7 Location on the Bus: 0:4:0 Description: SiS900 10/100 Ethernet Module: sis900 Media Class: NETWORK_ETHERNET Then, it also detects this: Vendor: USB Ethernet [pegasus] Bus: USB Description: Module: pegasus Media Class: Interface|Default At this point, I can't seem to get any connection working...not my usual cable connection, and not even the silly dialup! I am looking into a proper Ethernet card, so I can connect my external modem (Linksys cable modem) via the Ethernet cable instead of the USB, but until I get that sorted out, I'm feeling a bit stuck. Oh well. I'll keep trying. :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/uy93jVbXUvsE8ukRAmGeAJwI7xAbyw5L+M8r4Kt7S8jGEkqi/ACg4PZn 2uydcRN+h0ACcsrtZ97p/EY= =H1Ss -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installation aborted - by me
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi John, On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 12:58:05 AM PST, you wrote: Cann't help the ethernet cards, no previous experience, nor cable modems. What sort of dialup modem do you have ? Well, here's a peculiar update. I was just over in Mandrake, and I finally at least got the dial-up working! I was able to receive your message in Kmail, but I couldn't send my reply from there. The error message said something like: recipient not accepted relay denied Do you have any idea where I've gone wrong now? Thanks! :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/u0fajVbXUvsE8ukRAuJ3AKCzfdcOR3vJOKrCutaVuzG/WOuWrwCgyp4T ZZjLjru92WKZ9aBdtGT6Iu0= =+I3i -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] USB Cable modem problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Charlie, I think my problem is *almost* fixed! ... read on... On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 10:02:26 AM PST, you wrote: Have I mentioned that you have to change the connection to the ethernet port yet? eg Hee hee...I have a semi-embarrassing confession (but *almost* understandable!)... Indeed...my Linksys cable modem *was* connected to the Ethernet adaptor via the proper cable. However...here's one thing that confused both Mandrake and myself... This is a new computer. My old computer didn't have the Ethernet card, so I had to connect the modem via USB. When we hooked up the new computer, while the correct connection was made to the Ethernet adaptor, the old USB cable was plugged into a USB port (though it was just hanging there...going to nowhere). I unplugged the unhappy cable to nowhere, and Mandrake no longer detects this mysterious USB connection (and no longer tries to connect to it). Just to be safe (or at least to try anything), I unplugged my modem, waited a bit, then plugged it in again, and re-started the computer (booting into Mandrake). During the boot up, Mandrake's network connection wizard detected the new LAN, and asked if I wanted to configure it. Yes! :-) I went through all the steps, and watched as it *successfully* detected my IP address, etc., then at the end, it said that all was successful. However... Once in KDE, I was still not connected, and the LAN Configuration in Mandrake Control Center still said this (as it still does at this moment): Interface: eth0 IP Address: No IP Protocol: dhcp Driver: sis900 State: down I tried to run the configuration wizard from the Control Center, and again, it *said* that it was successful...but still no joy. Also, when I tried to re-start, and watch the boot process in verbose mode, I saw something like this (paraphrased badly, because it went by quickly, so I'm going on sketchy memory): Interface eth0 [Failed] Interface eth1 sis900 device does not seem to be present delaying initialization [Failed]... and so on Then...I got an email from someone from a different list, and here's what he provided: = Mandrake Linux Update Advisory ___ Package name: drakxtools Advisory ID:MDKA-2003:027 Date: November 14th, 2003 Affected versions: 9.2 __ Problem Description: A number of bugs have been fixed in the drakxtools package. Primarily, problems with drakconnect were fixed. The old behaviour of drakconnect to detect network interfaces was to load all of the network modules corresponding to current hardware and look for network interfaces created by the module loading. However, determining network interfaces in this way prevented drakconnect from ever seeing USB ethernet adapters. As well, the way in which drakconnect mapped real network interfaces to a logical configuration prevented drakconnect from mapping interfaces without an alias in /etc/modules.conf. Finally, drakconnect had problems handling wireless network devices correctly. The updated package also provides a more up-to-date wireless modules list so drakconnect is able to determine more types of wireless devices. A number of other smaller bugs have been repaired as well and MandrakeSoft encourages all users to upgrade to these new packages. __ Updated Packages: Mandrake Linux 9.2: 93c41f233aea463f39f97e21cce25945 9.2/RPMS/drakxtools-9.2-19.2.92mdk.i586.rpm 2bd5241c7b74c49c8cbdb0977e1a073c 9.2/RPMS/drakxtools-http-9.2-19.2.92mdk.i586.rpm 98fd8998ebf5c1b11f2e09413502d40e 9.2/RPMS/drakxtools-newt-9.2-19.2.92mdk.i586.rpm 5c61431417ce4b5c47aec2f1136f0143 9.2/RPMS/harddrake-9.2-19.2.92mdk.i586.rpm 7008bb1b92e57666146e40fbf3025fd7 9.2/RPMS/harddrake-ui-9.2-19.2.92mdk.i586.rpm 143eabb1365119112210a3d3afba288d 9.2/SRPMS/drakxtools-9.2-19.2.92mdk.src.rpm = Well now, even though the above does mention USB ethernet adaptors, and I no longer have *that* problem (never did, apparently :-)), I'm still wondering if I should need those updated bits to make even my current problems go away? In any event, I now have a question regarding this: Since when I'm in Mandrake, I can only connect using the dial-up, and the above packages are over 15 MB in size, can I, from Windows, go somewhere to search for the specific updates (and others), download them with my working cable connection, burn them to CD-R, then from Mandrake, install them from the CD-R? It sure would be a lot faster than trying to download them via Mandrake Update at this point. Thanks for your continued patience with me! :-) - -- Melissa
Re: [newbie] USB Cable modem problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi H.J.Bathoorn, On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 12:45:43 PM PST, you wrote: I just noticed in your mail that sis900 is mentioned as eth0 as well as eth1that could be your problem. Open a terminal, become su/root and type ifconfig. If the output only mentions lo there's no internet or lan configured and you'll have to reconfigure:p If there is more: send us the output. As well as the output of route (still as su/root). If your connection is OK eth0 (or maybe 1) should be there and so should route define a default gateway and the eth device it is connected to. Okay...here's the output of my bumbling (I wasn't sure if reconfigure:p was one or two commands, but as you can see here, it didn't do anything as a single command): [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa]# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:6E:84:4B:35 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:5 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:11 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:1428 (1.3 Kb) TX bytes:2262 (2.2 Kb) Interrupt:3 Base address:0x9800 eth0:9Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:6E:84:4B:35 inet addr:127.255.255.255 Bcast:127.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Interrupt:3 Base address:0x9800 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:70 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:70 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:4608 (4.5 Kb) TX bytes:4608 (4.5 Kb) [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa]# reconfigure:p bash: reconfigure:p: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa]# reconfigure:p bash: reconfigure:p: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa]# route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa]# Hmmm. Now what? By the way...I did download the six bugfix RMPs for drakxtools and harddrake that I mentioned in my other post, and burned them to CD-R. How do I then install these into Mandrake? I tried to do it via Konqueror (/cd... then select all/open with.../installation...), but that didn't seem to work. Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/u97vjVbXUvsE8ukRAqQPAKDmOxHLJaMTX96+GIfTwL0Ze6ybzwCfeOst oKDLBGRuXkElhx/pJYcWY9w= =UQoC -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] USB Cable modem problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi H.J.Bathoorn, On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 1:49:03 PM PST, you wrote: Well for one: Your cable-ISP isn't mentioned in the routing table so prolly you don't have internet access other than via pppyou already knew that didn't you:D I don't know...I'm just bumbling along as well as I can. :-) I can't quite figure out your eth0:9maybe your USB connection after all. I've never seen 127.255.255.255 used before. Maybe somebody else has. Your best bet is (IMHO) to reconfigure the internet yet again. If you've got the cable modem connected to a NIC don't chose the cable option but go for the lan to configure your connection. I've lost count of how many times I've tried this. Only once did I actually *see* signs of hope...it was just after I removed the USB cable to nowhere, and re-started, booting into Mandrake. During that one boot process a DOS-Like network configuration thing came up (first time I've seen this...usually it's a GUI), and walked me through the configuration. During that process, I did see it properly pick up my IP address, etc. However, after that, nothing seems to have changed in my actual LAN configuration setup as it was before. Is there any way to completely wipe the slate clean with regards to my LAN Configuration, then start over? Be sure to set your ISP as 'nameserver' and as default gateway'. Otherwise you won't get far. Can you specify just what that means? Should I must put: 'isp'.com in those? Or is there a more proper way to specify my ISP in those fields? I gather your ISP uses DHCP (i.e. no fixed addres) so enable that. Yes. Interestingly, though DHCP is used, my IP address rarely changes. Usually only when something goes wrong, and I have to re-set things. Otherwise, even when I unplug the modem and plug it back in, I still have the same IP address as before. The host and domain name can be anything you fancy...doesn't really matter. If you right-click on those rpm's you'll be offered the option open with software installer..., after which you'll be prompted for the root passwd. Hmmm. That's exactly what I did. I may try again. Or I'll try this... Otherwise (fastest): As root/su in a console, cd to the directory where the rpms are Um...can you tell me the whole sequence? Or is it self-explanatory once I type cd? ... and do: urpmi name_of_app.rpm and away it goes!:) In this case the tab key is your best friend.type in urpmi then the fisrt letters of the rpm you want to install and hit tabafter which the name will auto-complete. Saves a lot of secure typing:) I'll try this. Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/u+mJjVbXUvsE8ukRAsQ7AJ9PQqvsmODmwHENMZEQJMrpLoDkEwCeKt+V t+1U/HHueG3Q37jkSo2uLGc= =VYqT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] USB Cable modem problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Greg, On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 2:21:18 PM PST, you wrote: Is there any way to completely wipe the slate clean with regards to my LAN Configuration, then start over? Delete the following files. /etc/dhclient* /etc/sysconfig/network /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth* Where the * is a wildcard not a literal character I'm sorry for being such a pain, but could you please give me a little step by step for deleting these files? I'm not familiar with how do go about this in Mandrake. Also, you might want to look in /etc/modules.conf and comment out any line that has eth* on it. The rerun drakconnect and let it re-detect everything. And how would I comment out these lines? (again...a step by step please?). I'd apply the drakconnect updates that were released today first though. I tried, but the installation program keeps telling me that I need more and more dependencies, and since I can only currently connect via a very slow dial-up while I'm in Mandrake (until I can sort out the Ethernet connection), I downloaded the six files while I was in Windows, then burned them to CD-R. I tried to install them from the CD-R, but, as mentioned above, the installation always failed because I needed more and more dependencies that apparently, I don't have yet. I will try your first suggestion of deleting files and commenting out the eth* bits, but I will need some more detailed instructions for these procedures. Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/u++ljVbXUvsE8ukRAlCKAJ0UT5AwUERzsjlRD4qrNAqz9CR7NgCaAwSb H2sOQCpNN7XLhWI7YLNyBks= =d4SO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Installation aborted - by me
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I decided to give the installation a go by myself, figuring that if I messed it up, I could just abort and wait until my friend could be here to hold my hand. Here's the story so far (I'm pretty sleepy, so I hope I get this right)... I have two separate hard drives on this machine. The first drive (C:\) is where I have Windows installed (80 GB drive). The second drive (D:\) is where I want to install Mandrake (20 GB drive). The second drive is from my old computer, and I no longer need the data that is on it. Earlier today, I ran a check on the disk, and defragmented it. So... I read through much of the starter guide, but it didn't seem to mention the idea of installing on one of two hard drives. It seemed to assume that there would only be one hard drive to deal with on the machine. I decided to start up the installation to see if it would detect both drives, and give me a choice. I got to the partitioning section, and decided to abort the installation, because something worried me. I hope you can help... I was told by Dale Huckeby, in this message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...that the installation program, near the beginning, should detect both drives, so I could then choose the one to install onto. However, when I got to the partitioning section (and still no choice of drives yet), I was faced with three options under the DrakX partitioning wizard found the following solutions section: [] Erase entire disk [] Use the free space on the Windows partition [] Custom disk partitioning I was afraid to choose any of these and hit next without knowing *which* hard drive I'm dealing with. I can't afford to erase the drive that Windows is currently occupying, and I don't want to install Mandrake onto that drive anyway. At this point, I shut down the computer (only way I could find to abort the installation), and as it was re-booting, I removed the CD so that it would just boot into Windows. Question(s): 1) Did I just not yet get to the bit about choosing which hard drive to install onto? In the starter guide, the *next* screen that's supposed to show up *looks like* where I choose the hard drive (choose the partitions to be formatted), but it doesn't mention hard drive...only partitions...so I'm a little confused here. 2) If so, which of the three choices mentioned above should I select? (if the next screen mentioned above *is* where I choose the hard drive, I suppose I should choose Erase entire disk, right?) Or... 3) Are the three choices mentioned above an indication that only one hard drive was detected? (and I don't know which one, but I'm assuming it's the one with Windows on it, since it's offering to use free space on the Windows partition) 4) If so, it would seem that it's not allowing me the choice of hard drives, right? 5) At this point, what should I do? Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/ufWejVbXUvsE8ukRAgsdAKDNsYP70wqH50wte/KjXybMzf/h9ACg9Pof /tZzlgckS3yCDm+LfXrbHRM= =5Lpv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installation aborted - by me
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Anne, On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 3:22:05 AM PST, you wrote: Select 'Custom disk partitioning' There you should see your two disks. Choose the one you want for install, Thanks Anne. Here's a small update... This time around, I got to the next step of choosing the drive (and many other options for partitioning), and again I stopped...just to be safe. There were two tabs (hda and hdb), and the second tab did look like the 20 GB drive I want to install Mandrake onto (it said 18 GB, and Win98/Fat32, etc., which did describe pretty accurately my 20 GB drive). However... The first tab (hda) looked peculiar. It said Empty, then 7.8 MB, and a couple other things which seemed to indicate that it wasn't recognizing my 80 GB drive. Why would the installation not see this properly? Should I even worry about this if I'm quite sure of hdb being my 20 GB drive? In any event, I'm going to do more reading in the starter guide and also look at more online tutorials, then I think I'll still have my tech friend come here to supervise my installation. I guess I just don't feel quite enough confidence yet to do this entirely by myself. Thanks for you help. I'll be back! :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/ugjejVbXUvsE8ukRAniFAJ40sbeRustawAVrxepOuNayzdtVmwCeO7Mj wk3g5axa/h/BdrMSEbdDFA0= =q+Mo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installation aborted - by me
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bryan, On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 4:07:03 AM PST, you wrote: I don't know what kind of computer you have but just a quick guess. Some of the proprietary computers like Compaq, etc. often create a small partition on the beginning of the primary hard drive and install extended BIOS, recovery routines to that partition. This is a custom built computer, so I'll have to ask the guy who built it if he can explain what the MDK installation was seeing. Should I even worry about this if I'm quite sure of hdb being my 20 GB drive? I wouldn't. As long as I can be very sure that I'm only messing with my 20 GB drive, I'll be happy to stumble through some more trial and error myself, because if all I mess up is the fresh drive with no essential data on it yet, I can always just start over. However, there's another thing I'll have to decide with regards to how worried I should be about performing the installation without expert supervision... The starter guide also suggests possibly changing a setting or two in the BIOS in order to make the installation smoother for MDK. Since the BIOS is, as far as I understand it (which may not be very far), a system wide setting (affecting both hard drives, no?), I want to be especially careful messing about in there. At this point, it is this BIOS thing as much as anything else that concerns me. The adventure continues... - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/unvXjVbXUvsE8ukRAlgGAKDDhrlEP2uSHA8kuNuzlvN/PtYgmgCcDx97 HU080QYBNizHG438HMAFJ7A= =zn4G -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake installed! (sort of)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, In spite of my worries, curiosity (and your encouragement!) has caused me to install Mandrake. Everything seems to have gone well. I have no problem choosing either Linux or Windows at startup. However... When I choose Linux, all goes relatively well [*], but then I get to the big scary black screen that demands my localhost login and password. Fine...I enter both, and then I see this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa l$ blinking cursor I have no idea what to type next! :-) Since I can't get past this point, I had to shut down the power (only way I could find to escape this looming black hole). [*] As I was watching the boot up in verbose mode, while most things displayed a nice green OK, I did notice a couple of red Failed items: Port Mapper Random Number Generator So...any ideas regarding either of these issues? Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/upoWjVbXUvsE8ukRAmymAJ4+acu1n9q+Yca30Vf9KyfbJomn2QCfdxKi qStg0ChR6HWpDfnDZc0uaoU= =Advg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake installed! (sort of)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi HaywireMac, On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 3:41:26 PM PST, you wrote: Looks like you have it set not to start X on boot. No problemo. If you want to start KDE, the most common desktop for beginners, you can just type kde and hit enter (after you log in). Well, the kde didn't work for me as I had it set up, so I did the Windows weenie thing, and re-installed Mandrake from the beginning! :-) This time around, I was careful to be sure that X server would start the KDE GUI right away...and it's working! :-) But then... Even though the installation routine seemed to have no trouble with the automatic configuration of my Internet connections, I can't seem to connect to the Internet (Konqeror gives me a host not found error if I try to go to a web site). Also, though I'm usually very good with setting up email accounts, the particular nomenclature used by Kmail has me a little confused when it came to the SMTP setup. Here are the bits I'm confused about (though, my problem may just have been my Internet connection setup in general, having nothing to do with my SMTP setup in Kmail). Anyway, here are the bits I'd like to be clear on: Transport SMTP: Name: Host: Port: 25 (I know this one :-)) Precommand: Send custom hostname to server It seems that if I can get my Internet connection and Email set up properly, I'm on my way! Thanks to everyone here for all your help and encouragement! :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/usOWjVbXUvsE8ukRAlMjAKCeGJ9VEU+21Zg8Uf+iPTUrhfEH0gCfbf9u /EMyOdmDvPeLIqoGAu4kqTg= =GeXJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake installed! (sort of)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Greg, On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 6:14:13 PM PST, you wrote: Melissa, you didn't say what kind of Internet connection you have, DSL, cable, dial-up? I have a cable connection (currently a Linksys cable modem connected via USB), and I also have a dial-up modem that I use as a backup *only if* the cable is out for some reason (doesn't happen often, but it does go down now and again). During installation, the connection wizard detects two things: winmodem Lan I let the installation go with what it detected, and just clicked on next for each step as it recommended. It *said* that everything was fine. I just spent that past half hour in the MCC trying to re-configure my connection, but I'm having no luck. If anything, I've probably messed things up more. I'd like to start over completely with the connection configuration. So...what can I do now? Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/utswjVbXUvsE8ukRAtjDAKCsd/AeqDidsoUg15tvUNKbTVUqvwCgoqxb jCcLrOeYA7wACqJIpRHL/LU= =1SYo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake installed! (sort of)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bryan, On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 2:26:44 PM PST, you wrote: try startx to see if the GUI works. More stuff happens, but still no success. Here's what I'm getting now (starting with my typing startx and pressing Enter): [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa]$ startxEnter xauth: creating new authority file /home/melissa/.Xauthority xauth: creating new authority file /mome/melissa/.Xauthority Using authority file /home/melissa/.Xauthority Writing authority file /home/melissa/.Xauthority Using authority file /home/melissa/.Xauthority execve failed for /etc/x11/x (errno 13) giving up xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to Xserver xinit: No such process (errno 3): server error [EMAIL PROTECTED] melissa]$ blinking cursor Eek! Now what? :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/uqJfjVbXUvsE8ukRAumUAJ9qGS/1oP1BooJ7G5PlzPK5ptizOQCgwWF8 kqEOGtQJhHtFRb4Nqx/5kos= =De7g -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake installed! (sort of)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Melissa, On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 2:51:24 PM PST, you wrote: More stuff happens, but still no success. Here's what I'm getting now (starting with my typing startx and pressing Enter): Strike that. I've now got the KDE desktop coming up just fine. Now, my big problem is getting my Internet connection working. Here's the story of that... I have a cable connection. I'm currently using a Linksys external cable modem, which is connected to my computer via USB. I also have a dialup modem, which I only use on those very rare occasions when the cable is down. During my Mandrake installation, when it came to the connection wizard (something like that), it automatically detected two items: winmodem lan It suggested that since these things were already configured, I should just keep pressing Next instead of manually entering data (IP address, etc.). I followed the suggested route, and everything seemed fine. Then...when I got into KDE, and tried to use either email or the browser, I could not connect. I've spent the past half hour in the Mandrake Control Center trying to figure out what's going on with my connection. I also tried the Wizard again, and while it did seem to detect my sis900 device under the LAN configurations, it didn't show my IP address. My IP address is *mostly* static, but it does change now and again...especially if my ISP has problems, and things need to be re-set. So...I think I'd like to start over fresh with this connection configuration. I hope I've given enough information here. Please tell me if you need something more specific. Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/uuCFjVbXUvsE8ukRAhCPAJ0boIF+eY906q0RLpOBAYEfsEUZ1gCgnlMa QD7D/ZJ4xSc0FM0DnGoayWI= =vKwb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake installed! (sort of)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Greg, On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 7:23:30 PM PST, you wrote: Do you have an ethernet card in your machine anyway. It sounds like drakconnect is detecting your winmodem, (yuck) and an ehternet card, but missing the cable modem on usb. I just did a hardware/software profile of my machine with Belarc Advisor, and here's what it says under communications: == Generic SoftK56 [Modem] SiS 900-Based PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter Network Card MAC Address: [snipped] Network IP Address: [snipped] == I don't know if that Sis 900-Based PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter is internal, or if that's my external cable modem. If your cable modem can take an thernet connection, you might be better off connecting the cable modem to your nic as opposed to your usb port. I am not familiar with hooking up cable modems to usb ports under linux though, so if you want to take that issue up, I'll have to defer to someone else on the list. I'll have to look into this. Thanks for trying! :-) You seem to be doing great though in your experimentation. I hope your not getting frustrated, but instead soaking up the learning experience as you take control of your own computer. I am a little frustrated, but I'm sure there is something obvious I'm just missing (something missing in my brain, no doubt). I'll keep trying to figure this out. I just wish I new exactly what it is that I'm learning! :-) Thanks again! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/uuUmjVbXUvsE8ukRAkuaAKD856aB/EFIKCownslyzIIuUnMrdwCg3O3U ZlKdUOlCYilvLRNzHKkkBDQ= =CL3o -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] USB Cable modem problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Now that I have Mandrake installed, I'd like to get it to work with my cable modem. I'm currently using a Linksys external cable modem, and it's connected to my computer via USB. I also have a backup dial-up modem in the machine, but I only need to use it when the cable goes down temporarily (doesn't happen often). I just had Belarc Advisor do a hardware/software profile of my machine, and here's what it found under Communications: === Generic SoftK56 [Modem] SiS 900-Based PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter Network Card MAC Address: [snipped] Network IP Address: [snipped] === I don't know if the SiS 900-Based PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter is an internal card, or if this identifies my external cable modem. In any event, when I went through the Mandrake installation, it detected two things during the Network/Connection wizard: winmodem lan Since it detected these, it suggested that instead of manually configuring the IP address, etc., I should just accept the defaults as detected (including depending on dhcp for detecting IP/gateway). I did so, and everything *seemed* to be just fine. When I got into the KDE desktop, I found that I could not connect to the Internet. I went into the Mandrake Control Center, and tried to figure out what was happening. While I did see sis900 listed under the Network Configuration, there was no IP address, and no gateway address (I'm not really sure what this is supposed to be). Does anyone here have experience with this type of external modem working with Mandrake/Linux? What can I do to get connected? I really appreciate all the help and encouragement I've been given here, and being ever greedy for more help, I ask that someone rescue me now! :-) Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/uu3TjVbXUvsE8ukRAmDCAKDIQpjKLd2Co0wpsJhcmGr2Sgr1rgCcC8Wz PWDnruoz0f47FHwPz1ZZeik= =9f9D -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Be prepared for ignorant questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello! WARNING: UPS just delivered my Mandrake 9.2 PowerPack! As soon as my computer tech friend can come here to look over my shoulder (sometime in the next few days), I'll install it. In the meanwhile, I'll be reading the Starter Guide. After installation, you should expect this busy list to become even busier with all my ignorant questions. Please be sure all your affairs are in order...there may be trying times ahead. :-) Just a thought... If my curiosity gets the better of me before my friend can come here to supervise my installation, is it possible to abort the installation at any time and just start over again later without any ill effects? I'll be installing MDK onto my second hard drive, so I won't have to worry about partitioning the drive that WinXP currently occupies. Thanks...and consider yourselves warned! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/uR2djVbXUvsE8ukRAiCOAJ9IAwH41IE+CCFr8Tew2pWf91iMPwCeMZUk oXCCQJj8X7Kc5nVzvovlKbo= =GgUE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Test
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Sorry for the test, but I may be having a problem receiving list mail today, so Eric asked me to send a test message to the list. I did try to post a message to the list earlier this morning, and I haven't seen it, or any other message since about 5 am posted to the list today. - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/uUAojVbXUvsE8ukRAt6mAKCbIcVWfouWczBQPEUM7z8VJb7KRQCg3/K3 tEt2+9ttxbbZt0WphKuaw/0= =2V3R -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Be prepared for ignorant questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Greg, On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 6:25:36 PM PST, you wrote: If you want to play with Mandrake before installing it, the famous Texstar is building a LiveCD distro similar to Knoppix but based on Mandrake 9.2. It runs from the CD without touching your hard drive. Thanks Greg. I'm downloading it now. I've been playing with Knoppix from the boot CD, and that's been educational. Once this download is complete, I'll give this a try. - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/uaGMjVbXUvsE8ukRAoxWAJ99kS3p4124pOSdwYVKpWrwbOaBPQCfXEo7 BcdFdzqA42w4gWeQ3f4SNCE= =KnA6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OT (sort of) Knoppix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, As I anxiously await the arrival of my Mandrake package, I decided to see what running Knoppix from a CD-ROM would be like, so last night I downloaded it and burned it to CD-R (should I have burned it to CD-RW instead?). In any event, everything seemed fine as I booted from the CD, and it didn't complain about not detecting any hardware. Everything *looked* normal (well, as normal as it could for something I've never seen before :-)). I found Kmail, and set up a test account. But then, I could neither receive nor send email. I looked around to see where I might have to set up my basic connection parameters, but became a little confused during that journey, and haven't yet found the solution. In thinking about all this, I do wonder how it's possible to run this, or any Linux distribution entirely from CD-R and have any sort of full functionality...perhaps especially in the realm of something like sending/receiving email, because doesn't that new data need to be written to *somewhere* on my hard drive? If my hard drive is formatted for Windows usage (NTFS, with Windows formatting), wouldn't this present problems? Just in case there *is* a way to go further with my Knoppix experiment... I still just have my USB connected Linksys cable modem (I'm looking into getting a regular ethernet card, as I've been told that Mandrake might not like the external USB modem). *If* I can get past the possible modem issue for the moment, can someone steer me in the right direction with regards to seeing if I can get the connection working? Or, if it's something other than just the basic connection, is there a setting in the email program itself that I need to be more aware of? Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/tmtNjVbXUvsE8ukRAmOrAJ4kGESsUouzetb7y+NDY0CbfTvKOgCgjTMq d9IFOLYBpAJwho4j8K4ZTWw= =V+Xf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] E-mail sound.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Malcolm, I'm sorry I can't help you with your question, but I will offer a comment or two anyway... On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 12:17:22 PM PST, you wrote: I would like to place a small sound file in an outgoing e-mail to activate on opening, as possible in 'Outlook Express'. Eek! I suppose you have your reasons for wanting such a thing, and perhaps all your intended recipients for such a message would be willing to accept the message(s) as you intend, but in general, this sort of thing is best left to web pages if anywhere, and can be rather annoying in email (just my general opinion). Many people, for all sorts of reasons, will *only* read email in plain text (or at least disable all but the most basic HTML elements), and therefore, unless they feel inclined to open up such an HTML message into their browser, will not even benefit from your efforts. - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/tttWjVbXUvsE8ukRAlxPAKD1Jm2mXFl2rHzE03zJzeX8Ui9vOgCg2cha WNh5E6f0ac9DtHqYbywgOHE= =Gi1Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 Problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Derek, On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 5:37:52 PM PST, you wrote: If 9.2 turns some newbies off Linux it will be a pity. Once you correct the initial bugs it actually works quite nicely. (Supermount is great now :-) After reading about all these issues with the current MDK 9.2 release, I guess I can look forward to some interesting moments as I install and try to work with my first MDK! :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/tt2ojVbXUvsE8ukRAqDJAKCRuOPcEB++N8k/euTGxPthc62d+gCg0gUE gCtxINCFTH/b/hwdbUhDnhM= =U+Ph -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi John, Thanks for all your comments...they are helpful and encouraging. For the moment, I'll just reply to this one bit... On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 10:28:07 AM PST, you wrote: Well, first, I wrote: 3) As a total newbie getting ready to perform my first Linux installation, should I be concerned enough about these various issues that I should perhaps pay my local computer tech to come over here and hold my hand as I go through this process? Then you replied thusly: You could if your computer tech isn't a Windows weenie who only knows wizards and the MS bible of reinstall if it doesn't work. A hard habit to get out of, I can tell you. I've certainly encountered the type described above, but he's not one of them (as evidenced by his reluctance to simply re-install when he's helped me over the past four years with my troublesome Win98SE and WinME computers...often finding more focused solutions). I feel that I can trust him to help me with my Mandrake installation, as he has a lot of experience with not only Windows, but also Linux distros and Mac. Before he went into business for himself, he was for many years the computer hardware/OS/network guy for Boeing, and dealt with everything from mainframes to the various flavors of PCs and laptops with a variety of OSs. He custom built my new computer for me, and I know that he also builds computers and installs OSs for people who use only Linux distros. In each case, he installs only hardware he's sure will work well with the intended OS. That said, he built this computer with WinXP in mind, so we'll see what happens when the Mandrake installation takes place. I am thinking that I would be more comfortable with him here to help me with the installation, because he would have a better chance than I of understanding and dealing with any obscure technical issue if it pops up during installation. I'll certainly be watching over his shoulder (or asking him to look over mine), so I don't think I'll really miss any learning opportunity by just having him here. More likely, just the opposite, as he can explain to me as we go along just what might be happening. [Stop reading here if you don't want to bother with some tangential rambling.] Being naturally inclined to digress, I do want to make a *general* comment or two (or three or more!) with regards to the attitudes often expressed by loyalists of one OS or another (not at all pointed at you, John, though this digression is certainly inspired by a concept alluded to in your comment quoted above)... As a long-time Windows user who reads just about everything I can get ahold of when I'm curious about something, I very often encounter - from Linux users more than others - comments that seem uncomfortably elitist (regardless of how possibly justified, or offered with some humor). Because of that, enhanced by the often self-styled perception amongst many Linux users that one must be sufficiently with a clue (as opposed to being clueless Windows wimps) in order to truly appreciate the superiority of Linux over Windows, I see many fellow Windows wimps become discouraged and decide not to even try a Linux distribution. Unfortunately, that's the kind of thing that happens when this sort of rivalry becomes an almost religious issue, and it does nothing for the wider migration of the unwashed masses from Windows to Linux (perhaps a very reasonable and desirable thing). The same sort of religious debate can happen in many areas...even in sea kayaking (those who believe in rudders versus those who don't, etc.). Just for the record, I believe the only true path to enlightenment is rudderless! ;-) I am one to speak my mind, especially if I feel some kind of truth is on my side, and I can also easily understand and even appreciate the humor in comments I often read from Linux users with regards to Windows (and its users...myself included), but other people might be more sensitive to what they consider elitism of any sort, and if you really do want more people to consider alternatives to Windows - and Linux disros in particular - perhaps even the *appearance* of elitism is something to consider avoiding. Ironically, isn't Linux supposed to be more of a for the people thing than Windows? If so, elitism really has no place in its culture...especially in places like news groups and mail lists where curious Windows wimps might be exploring the idea of a possible migration to Linux based OSs. Whew!...got my little rant-o-the-day out of the way, so I can now climb into my kayak and go visit my whale friends (who don't care one way or the other about Linux or Windows! :-)). - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/s/ZFjVbXUvsE8ukRAsb0AKDoR2cmQoz4B7y9Pd9xJRVvhm8cKwCgxlwx aaiFZ/wPlHFfK9QpgkUNu28= =36vo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from
Re: [newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Merlin, On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 3:32:34 AM PST, you wrote: There was a story widely reported in the papers here in Thailand about a Government minister who was locked inside his BMW when it stopped on the highway. Eventually someone had to smash the window with a sledgehammer and he got out. That's just bad design, regardless of computer issues (though computer issues in computer dependent cars is a real problem). With so many cars depending *entirely* upon the electrical system for some very basic things (opening and closing windows and/or doors), there's just no excuse for no backup manual systems. This is, in my mind, a simple - and serious - safety issue. I always feel really uncomfortable in any car that doesn't at least have a totally manual way to open the windows from the inside. Of course, I still only trust manual transmissions as well, so I must just be a Luddite. :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/tCxPjVbXUvsE8ukRAjvMAKDSv78+RwfBWGI7IqM912KKLueIEgCdGZ8G up9font6cHkdertAl3GiFEM= =OA/d -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bryan, On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 4:28:08 AM PST, you wrote: It would possibly provide more certainty but you would be robbing yourself of a prime learning opportunity. The question is, do you want to remain dependent upon others or gain the knowledge for yourself. Doing is the quickest way to learning. Thanks Bryan, for all your comments. I'm a bit short on time at the moment, so I'll only comment on the above for now... I can go along with Doing is the quickest way to learning, and in fact would take it further and say that it can, very often anyway, be a more in depth and complete path to learning...though in some cases, not necessarily quicker. This, of course, can depend on what it is one really has the desire to learn. When it comes to computers and my use of them, I often feel like I'm caught between a wimpy and a geeky place. :-) To some degree, I really do enjoy mucking about with the inner workings of my OS (currently, of course, Windows) and the certain programs I use for this or that *when necessary*, but there's also an entirely practical reason for me to appreciate whatever I find to be practical and expedient. I don't do any work on a computer (meaning that I don't use a computer for my job...never have, and hopefully never will, being a musician who plays on 300 year old wooden instruments), nor do I work with computers themselves *as any sort of a job* (though, when dealing with helping my mother with hers, it can sometimes feel that way!). By choice, I have a busy life, and while my computer is a wonderful tool for me for communications, research, a bit of chess playing/learning, and for my daily journal writing, my other interests demand much more of my time and energies. In the philosophical/political sense, I certainly favor the Linux way over the Windows way...no question about that. On the practical side, however, I guess I can be a bit more, well, practical and expedient when it comes to my personal computer usage and the time I spend on this or that aspect of it. My interest in Linux is not in any way related to an overwhelming urge to get down and geeky with it. In addition to my philosophical/political leanings, which I admit I can be persuaded to compromise when it comes to favoring one OS over another, I'm interested to see *what a Linux distro and its associated programs can do for me* in terms of my needs for this type of tool. That said, and I'm sure this will seem like heresy to some here, I'm currently very pleased with how WinXP, and the programs I use on it (mostly non-MS software) is/are working for me. Just as a small example... I deal with a lot of email, and I'm quite particular about the type of power I expect in terms of both email management and composition. After trying and using just about every email client available for Windows (including those that have Linux based counterparts), I've found my current Windows email client (The Bat!) to be my dream come true email handler, and anything in Linux that might replace it would have to be *very impressive indeed* for me to consider a complete switch to a Linux-only client. For instance, I've seen many Linux users using Mozilla/Thunderbird, and though I don't know if there are some essential differences with how these work on Linux as opposed to the Windows versions, I'm frankly not impressed when I compare them to The Bat!. I also have the Windows version of Sylpheed on here, and again, I'm not impressed. Perhaps there is an email client on Linux that will impress me. I hope so. I will make a promise though... Once I get Mandrake up and running, I'll look for an email client that works decently for me there, and even if I still prefer The Bat! in Windows for my daily heavy email usage, I'll use Mandrake, and the Linux email client I decide upon for reading/posting to this list! :-) I leave open all possibilities, up to and including dropping Windows entirely and making a complete switch to Linux (which, if it happens, would quite please me), but it all depends on if I can find specific Linux based programs that do at least as much or more for me in the areas that are important to me. I may well even discover very useful applications in Linux that I never even considered during my use of Windows, and that would please me as well. I may end up switching back and forth between both OSs...each for its unique strengths with regards to my needs and preferences. In any event, I feel comfortable that I can take my time learning about Linux/Mandrake via trial and error or any other means, because I won't lose any essential functionality I currently have with Windows during this learning period. I do look forward to this new adventure. PS: As you may have noticed by now, I can be fairly sound-byte challenged, and wander off on meandering digressions. Please feel free to tell me to shut up and stick to the basics. I promise I'll try! :-) - --
Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6 *almost* trojaned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chuck, On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 9:22:26 PM PST, you wrote: There are probably not enough eyes to see all the holes... Or maybe too many eyes looking in the wrong directions. My sister works at MS, and she's under the impression that everyone there is cross-eyed. :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/syXFjVbXUvsE8ukRAmmOAKDhha6sj5XGK7crybWN0F7oTa8KYACgh+yU na5ho1RBgWlTyv4Vkw2fze8= =5TT1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Pre-newbie here!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Paul, On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 2:02:17 AM PST, you wrote: for advice try the win2linux site at http://win2linux.net/docs.html Thanks Paul...and everyone else as well for your helpful suggestions! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/sUJAjVbXUvsE8ukRAm1WAJwKv1Tt49M9T9SizB69/U0zoMuBFACfU5KO 10tt4E+9kY2XygEQta8AJwk= =cvS7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Pre-newbie here!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, This is my first post to this list (I've been lurking for a few days...it sure is a busy list! :-)). After trying to figure out if my assorted bits of hardware can be expected to play nicely with a fresh Linux distribution installation, I've decided that the only thing to do is to take the leap and see what happens! :-) I've just ordered the Mandrake 9.2 PowerPack, and anxiously await its arrival! This is a new computer, with *mostly* new hardware inside (there is, from my old computer, a spare 20 GB hard drive and an older model GeForce2 MX-400 graphics card with 64 MB video RAM), and there are a few external hardware bits from my old system as well (a four year old Lexmark 3200 printer, and relatively new Creative I-Trigue 3500 speakers). I'm also currently using a Linksys external cable modem that some have told me might be a problem with Mandrake, so I'm looking into a proper ethernet card. Anyway, here's my plan... I have two hard drives in this machine: C:\ is an 80 GB drive with WinXP installed D:\ is a 20 GB drive, onto which I intend to install Mandrake 9.2 As I mentioned, the 20 GB drive is from my old computer (other than size, it's got the same specs as my new 80 GB drive (Seagate 7200 RPM ATA-100). Here's my essential question of the moment... I'm finished copying over all the files I want to save from the old drive to the new one, and I'm ready to clear the old drive in preparation for my Mandrake installation. I've been told that the Windows method of formatting the drive will not be the thing to do here. So...how do I clear this old drive to get it ready for a clean installation of Mandrake? I'm sure that once I've installed Mandrake, I'll have at least 5000 more questions for this already busy list! :-) Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/r/zHjVbXUvsE8ukRApssAKCHnQ8DftTdntHRLOHpyAvCYWndIwCgytmm CIB7nrnoZsASIpVLFEtt5qc= =OuZ+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Pre-newbie here!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bryan, On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 1:07:54 PM PST, you wrote: Just remove all the partitions from the 20GB drive. That will leave the drive completely blank with no drive letters or partition information saved to the drive. While I'm pretty handy with digging around various bits of Windows, removing partitions is not a procedure I'm familiar with. Can anyone offer me a little step by step for this? When you load Mandrake, you can simply create the partition(s) with Mandrake Linux and divide up the drive however you choose to for Linux. - From what I've read and have been told by others, I'm guessing that I'll be prompted during installation for the partitioning and other procedures. This though, brings me to another question... Is there some literature I can read up on beforehand that explains how I might want to partition the drive? Thanks Bryan! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/sAXSjVbXUvsE8ukRAlq6AKD1gp5d2gy/OeeDMzRm9h15frIl8wCgl25c N6qiQxuckGnGubEbgLaA8hI= =R6G3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Pre-newbie here!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Me, On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 1:41:09 PM PST, I wrote: While I'm pretty handy with digging around various bits of Windows, removing partitions is not a procedure I'm familiar with. Can anyone offer me a little step by step for this? snip Is there some literature I can read up on beforehand that explains how I might want to partition the drive? I apologize for replying to myself here, but as you can see from my questions quoted above, we all might benefit if I take this opportunity to explain my level of expertise (or, more properly, my lack thereof) when it comes to certain technical procedures. Some comments like you can simply... may just confuse me further. Some things simple to others may not be so simple to my feeble mind. I guess the easiest analogy is to relate my computer expertise to my car driving capabilities. I'm a pretty good driver, but I'm no mechanic. While I've been known to now and again speak softly or kick my car into submission, or even find a simple mechanical solution to an immediate problem, I'm easily confused if someone tells me that I can simply reset the timing belt, and while you're at it, change the water pump! Eek! So, consider yourselves warned! :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/sAxhjVbXUvsE8ukRAm84AKCdsnLicRJ5oQU+CRWa6FWBhmFmcwCeIMoQ /ta50V6U/tMonVTCOIn3kUU= =xlWp -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
