Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
stormjumper wrote: - Original Message - From: Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stormjumper wrote: i presume u're using the Epson C82, since that was model referred to previously in this thread. you compared the speed of printout for windoze and linux, but how's the quality? is there a noticeable difference? also, which driver are you under linux? thanks The print quality is very good when initiated from either Windows or Linux. It's just faster under Windows. The printing speed between the two is about the same. It's the paper loading that is very fast when initiated by Windows. I would be *very* happy if I could get it to load that fast when initiated with Mozilla on Mandrake. I'm using the CUPS + GIMP-Print v4.2.5 driver. i'm on the lookout for a new printer, and from your experience, as well as others on the net, i'm leaning towards an Epson C82. thanks for the info, Brant. Hope you find one that suits your needs. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake Linux 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk Reiserfs and XFS | KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client Uptime: 04:00:00 up 16 days, 15:15, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.17, 0.13 --- All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, John Richard Smith wrote: Dale Huckeby wrote: . . . The time each takes to print one of a sample page, from the time I press the Okay button till the copy slides out, is 18 seconds for Economy Grayscale, 23 seconds for Economy, 28 seconds for Normal Grayscale, 62 seconds for Normal, about a minute and a half for High Quality Grayscale, and about 4 minutes for High Quality. Normal and High Quality probably aren't distinguishable by the casual viewer, but held side by side Normal is slightly thicker and muddier looking. Under a magnifying glass the edges would be fuzzier. High Quality has a slighter thinner, harder, sharp-edged printshop look. High Quality Grayscale is just a little lighter. Normal Grayscale is actually hard to tell from High Quality, so I might switch to that as my default. I didn't test Very High Quality or Photo or their grayscales. By the way, the times above are for the first page, which includes the time it takes for the program to communicate with the printer. I just ran page 1 and 2 at Normal Grayscale and the first page was out at 28 seconds and the second at 51, so all subsequent pages should take about 23 seconds apiece. OK so that sounds interesting. Now the time taken to create the print file and send it complete to the printer is always going to be longer in linux with ghostscript employed than in windblows, that cannot be helped, the PCL5 to PCL3 conversion takes time, and in any case each individual computer is going to vary the time according to it's power to process etc. So how about taking a 600dpi scanned file in either .pnm or .jpg of an A4 colour page(it can be anything) then send that file to printer at say 600dpi High quality, and note the time from when the file first arrives at the spooling window (kde - peripherals - printer - jobs) and you start to hear the printer load the sheet of paper to completion of the printed page. I created a 600dpi scanned A4 colour page .jpg file of 3.4Mb, in gimp, which took just over 3 minutes to print from the moment the page loaded to final ejection from the Lexmark Z53 printer. That's a lot of numbercrunchingbut sets a big task to compare performances with. How long would your Epson C82 take to process the same size and type of file? Sorry, don't know what an A4 color page is, nor how to create one. If you'll tell me how to make one in gimp I'll do it but I don't know how meaningful the print comparison will be. I don't use kde so will probably be printing from the command line. (Anything that's not being printed from OOo, Opera, or Pine.) Dale Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 09:07, Dale Huckeby wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, John Richard Smith wrote: Dale Huckeby wrote: I created a 600dpi scanned A4 colour page .jpg file of 3.4Mb, in gimp, which took just over 3 minutes to print from the moment the page loaded to final ejection from the Lexmark Z53 printer. That's a lot of numbercrunchingbut sets a big task to compare performances with. How long would your Epson C82 take to process the same size and type of file? Sorry, don't know what an A4 color page is, nor how to create one. If you'll tell me how to make one in gimp I'll do it but I don't know how meaningful the print comparison will be. I don't use kde so will probably be printing from the command line. (Anything that's not being printed from OOo, Opera, or Pine.) Dale A4 is what the rest of the world uses when measuring paper size, 'letter' is approx the same dimensions. A5 is half as big, A3 double, etc. Paul M Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 23:07, Dale Huckeby wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, John Richard Smith wrote: Dale Huckeby wrote: . . . The time each takes to print one of a sample page, from the time I press the Okay button till the copy slides out, is 18 seconds for Economy Grayscale, 23 seconds for Economy, 28 seconds for Normal Grayscale, 62 seconds for Normal, about a minute and a half for High Quality Grayscale, and about 4 minutes for High Quality. Normal and High Quality probably aren't distinguishable by the casual viewer, but held side by side Normal is slightly thicker and muddier looking. Under a magnifying glass the edges would be fuzzier. High Quality has a slighter thinner, harder, sharp-edged printshop look. High Quality Grayscale is just a little lighter. Normal Grayscale is actually hard to tell from High Quality, so I might switch to that as my default. I didn't test Very High Quality or Photo or their grayscales. By the way, the times above are for the first page, which includes the time it takes for the program to communicate with the printer. I just ran page 1 and 2 at Normal Grayscale and the first page was out at 28 seconds and the second at 51, so all subsequent pages should take about 23 seconds apiece. OK so that sounds interesting. Now the time taken to create the print file and send it complete to the printer is always going to be longer in linux with ghostscript employed than in windblows, that cannot be helped, the PCL5 to PCL3 conversion takes time, and in any case each individual computer is going to vary the time according to it's power to process etc. So how about taking a 600dpi scanned file in either .pnm or .jpg of an A4 colour page(it can be anything) then send that file to printer at say 600dpi High quality, and note the time from when the file first arrives at the spooling window (kde - peripherals - printer - jobs) and you start to hear the printer load the sheet of paper to completion of the printed page. I created a 600dpi scanned A4 colour page .jpg file of 3.4Mb, in gimp, which took just over 3 minutes to print from the moment the page loaded to final ejection from the Lexmark Z53 printer. That's a lot of numbercrunchingbut sets a big task to compare performances with. How long would your Epson C82 take to process the same size and type of file? Sorry, don't know what an A4 color page is, nor how to create one. If you'll tell me how to make one in gimp I'll do it but I don't know how meaningful the print comparison will be. I don't use kde so will probably be printing from the command line. (Anything that's not being printed from OOo, Opera, or Pine.) Dale A4 is a little smaller than letter size. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 10:34 am, Aron Smith wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 23:07, Dale Huckeby wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, John Richard Smith wrote: Dale Huckeby wrote: . . . The time each takes to print one of a sample page, from the time I press the Okay button till the copy slides out, is 18 seconds for Economy Grayscale, 23 seconds for Economy, 28 seconds for Normal Grayscale, 62 seconds for Normal, about a minute and a half for High Quality Grayscale, and about 4 minutes for High Quality. Normal and High Quality probably aren't distinguishable by the casual viewer, but held side by side Normal is slightly thicker and muddier looking. Under a magnifying glass the edges would be fuzzier. High Quality has a slighter thinner, harder, sharp-edged printshop look. High Quality Grayscale is just a little lighter. Normal Grayscale is actually hard to tell from High Quality, so I might switch to that as my default. I didn't test Very High Quality or Photo or their grayscales. By the way, the times above are for the first page, which includes the time it takes for the program to communicate with the printer. I just ran page 1 and 2 at Normal Grayscale and the first page was out at 28 seconds and the second at 51, so all subsequent pages should take about 23 seconds apiece. OK so that sounds interesting. Now the time taken to create the print file and send it complete to the printer is always going to be longer in linux with ghostscript employed than in windblows, that cannot be helped, the PCL5 to PCL3 conversion takes time, and in any case each individual computer is going to vary the time according to it's power to process etc. So how about taking a 600dpi scanned file in either .pnm or .jpg of an A4 colour page(it can be anything) then send that file to printer at say 600dpi High quality, and note the time from when the file first arrives at the spooling window (kde - peripherals - printer - jobs) and you start to hear the printer load the sheet of paper to completion of the printed page. I created a 600dpi scanned A4 colour page .jpg file of 3.4Mb, in gimp, which took just over 3 minutes to print from the moment the page loaded to final ejection from the Lexmark Z53 printer. That's a lot of numbercrunchingbut sets a big task to compare performances with. How long would your Epson C82 take to process the same size and type of file? Sorry, don't know what an A4 color page is, nor how to create one. If you'll tell me how to make one in gimp I'll do it but I don't know how meaningful the print comparison will be. I don't use kde so will probably be printing from the command line. (Anything that's not being printed from OOo, Opera, or Pine.) Dale A4 is a little smaller than letter size. A4 is around 1/4 narrower, but around 3/4 longer Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 10:34 am, Aron Smith wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 23:07, Dale Huckeby wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, John Richard Smith wrote: snip So how about taking a 600dpi scanned file in either .pnm or .jpg of an A4 colour page(it can be anything) then send that file to printer at say 600dpi High quality, and note the time from when the file first arrives at the spooling window (kde - peripherals - printer - jobs) and you start to hear the printer load the sheet of paper to completion of the printed page. I created a 600dpi scanned A4 colour page .jpg file of 3.4Mb, in gimp, which took just over 3 minutes to print from the moment the page loaded to final ejection from the Lexmark Z53 printer. That's a lot of numbercrunchingbut sets a big task to compare performances with. How long would your Epson C82 take to process the same size and type of file? Sorry, don't know what an A4 color page is, nor how to create one. If you'll tell me how to make one in gimp I'll do it but I don't know how meaningful the print comparison will be. I don't use kde so will probably be printing from the command line. (Anything that's not being printed from OOo, Opera, or Pine.) A4 is a little smaller than letter size. A4 is around 1/4 narrower, but around 3/4 longer Thanks all. Guess it would have been clearer if I had said I don't know what a _color page_ is (still!), or how to create it at ANY given size (not just A4), or dpi resolution, or Mb size. In short, I'm a complete naif when it comes to using Gimp or any other graphics tool. Dale Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
- Original Message - From: Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stormjumper wrote: i presume u're using the Epson C82, since that was model referred to previously in this thread. you compared the speed of printout for windoze and linux, but how's the quality? is there a noticeable difference? also, which driver are you under linux? thanks The print quality is very good when initiated from either Windows or Linux. It's just faster under Windows. The printing speed between the two is about the same. It's the paper loading that is very fast when initiated by Windows. I would be *very* happy if I could get it to load that fast when initiated with Mozilla on Mandrake. I'm using the CUPS + GIMP-Print v4.2.5 driver. i'm on the lookout for a new printer, and from your experience, as well as others on the net, i'm leaning towards an Epson C82. thanks for the info, Brant. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 4:05 pm, Dale Huckeby wrote: Thanks all. Guess it would have been clearer if I had said I don't know what a _color page_ is (still!), or how to create it at ANY given size (not just A4), or dpi resolution, or Mb size. In short, I'm a complete naif when it comes to using Gimp or any other graphics tool. I guess that you need a good size image with a high dpi in portrait shape. In Gimp, you right-click (for pretty well everything :-) ) File Print. On the print page you can adjust most settings, including output resolution. Near the bottom is the place to scale the image up to as nearly fill the page as possible. HTH Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 08:05, Dale Huckeby wrote: On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 10:34 am, Aron Smith wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 23:07, Dale Huckeby wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, John Richard Smith wrote: snip So how about taking a 600dpi scanned file in either .pnm or .jpg of an A4 colour page(it can be anything) then send that file to printer at say 600dpi High quality, and note the time from when the file first arrives at the spooling window (kde - peripherals - printer - jobs) and you start to hear the printer load the sheet of paper to completion of the printed page. I created a 600dpi scanned A4 colour page .jpg file of 3.4Mb, in gimp, which took just over 3 minutes to print from the moment the page loaded to final ejection from the Lexmark Z53 printer. That's a lot of numbercrunchingbut sets a big task to compare performances with. How long would your Epson C82 take to process the same size and type of file? Sorry, don't know what an A4 color page is, nor how to create one. If you'll tell me how to make one in gimp I'll do it but I don't know how meaningful the print comparison will be. I don't use kde so will probably be printing from the command line. (Anything that's not being printed from OOo, Opera, or Pine.) A4 is a little smaller than letter size. A4 is around 1/4 narrower, but around 3/4 longer Thanks all. Guess it would have been clearer if I had said I don't know what a _color page_ is (still!), or how to create it at ANY given size (not just A4), or dpi resolution, or Mb size. In short, I'm a complete naif when it comes to using Gimp or any other graphics tool. Dale run the Photo test page in MCC printer setup __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
I'll share with you what I determined from recent research on printers that work well on Linux. Two manufacturers are very supportive of Linux drivers and opensource in general: Epson and HP. Epson printers tend to be very good picture quality, but the printhead is not replaceable. They like to be used frequently to keep them from clogging. HP printers replace the printhead with every cartridge, but they are more expensive. The print quality is very similar. The choice seems to boil down to: Get Epson if you print frequently. Get HP if you don't. That's my opinion of course. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
Dale Huckeby wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, John Richard Smith wrote: Dale Huckeby wrote: . . . The time each takes to print one of a sample page, from the time I press the Okay button till the copy slides out, is 18 seconds for Economy Grayscale, 23 seconds for Economy, 28 seconds for Normal Grayscale, 62 seconds for Normal, about a minute and a half for High Quality Grayscale, and about 4 minutes for High Quality. Normal and High Quality probably aren't distinguishable by the casual viewer, but held side by side Normal is slightly thicker and muddier looking. Under a magnifying glass the edges would be fuzzier. High Quality has a slighter thinner, harder, sharp-edged printshop look. High Quality Grayscale is just a little lighter. Normal Grayscale is actually hard to tell from High Quality, so I might switch to that as my default. I didn't test Very High Quality or Photo or their grayscales. By the way, the times above are for the first page, which includes the time it takes for the program to communicate with the printer. I just ran page 1 and 2 at Normal Grayscale and the first page was out at 28 seconds and the second at 51, so all subsequent pages should take about 23 seconds apiece. OK so that sounds interesting. Now the time taken to create the print file and send it complete to the printer is always going to be longer in linux with ghostscript employed than in windblows, that cannot be helped, the PCL5 to PCL3 conversion takes time, and in any case each individual computer is going to vary the time according to it's power to process etc. So how about taking a 600dpi scanned file in either .pnm or .jpg of an A4 colour page(it can be anything) then send that file to printer at say 600dpi High quality, and note the time from when the file first arrives at the spooling window (kde - peripherals - printer - jobs) and you start to hear the printer load the sheet of paper to completion of the printed page. I created a 600dpi scanned A4 colour page .jpg file of 3.4Mb, in gimp, which took just over 3 minutes to print from the moment the page loaded to final ejection from the Lexmark Z53 printer. That's a lot of numbercrunchingbut sets a big task to compare performances with. How long would your Epson C82 take to process the same size and type of file? Sorry, don't know what an A4 color page is, nor how to create one. If you'll tell me how to make one in gimp I'll do it but I don't know how meaningful the print comparison will be. I don't use kde so will probably be printing from the command line. (Anything that's not being printed from OOo, Opera, or Pine.) Dale A4 is the page size , similar but not exact to American letter You don't have a scanner then ? I just wanted to create a stand type size file to test that's all. It could be something else, but an A4 page size colour scan to 600 dpi is going to create a large .pnm file and converted to .jpg in gimp would make a nice standard test file to print off in any programme you like, it's the speed of the printer under a linux driver that I'm interested in .The length of time the printer takes to complete a large standard print job. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, John Richard Smith wrote: that I wrote: Epson is very Linux friendly. They support Linux probably better than any other printer. I've got a Stylus C82 that I'm very happy with. In product reviews a few people complained about the noise the paperfeed makes, and it is definite but not bothersome in my opinion. What I noticed is that it works. It's very definite and precise in feeding and positioning the sheets, and mine has never jammed (in five or six months). I think you'll find that the C82 (or probably any Epson; this is my second one) will work very well with 9.1. That's what I'm running. Mandrake will know what it is and configure it for you, although you can specify quality settings at various levels of detail and expertise (in printerdrake in mcc) if you wish. Mine cost about $100. Its quality is pretty impressive. I scanned (on an Epson scanner!) and printed one of my niece's wedding photos, and it was practically indistinguishable from the real thing. Thank you Dale for your detailed experiences, these are the kind of personal experiences we all like to hear about. I'm not in the market today for a new printer , but may well think about it in the not too distant future, if I did want one today, I'm coming round to the Idea of trying out an Epson myself, well, I've had a good experience with their Epson perfection 2450 scanner, and with testermonials like yours one is encouraged. You don't mention print speeds? Don't know what the norm is. It's much faster than my Photo700, though. Print speed isn't that important to me (as long as it isn't interminable). I use the printer at a high resolution setting, so when I print out drafts of an article I'm working on (ie. in OOo), and eventually the final version, it looks really nice. I'm just aesthetic that way. I like for stuff I print out to look like print shop quality. Okay, that wasn't very helpful, so I just did a quick test, printing the same page in OpenOffice using different settings. The settings I chose from were Economy, Normal, High Quality, Very High Quality, and Photo, with a Grayscale version of each, for a total of ten settings. (These are for- inexpert-eyes combinations of the larger array of settings you can choose from if you click on the Advanced tab.) The grayscales are slightly lighter, although it's not noticeable at the higher quality settings. It is noticeable for Economy Grayscale, which has a couple of lines that are lighter than the rest. Economy, Normal, and Normal Grayscale all look pretty much the same, maybe identical to the average eye. I think Normal Grayscale actually looks slightly better than Normal, a little harder- edged. The time each takes to print one of a sample page, from the time I press the Okay button till the copy slides out, is 18 seconds for Economy Grayscale, 23 seconds for Economy, 28 seconds for Normal Grayscale, 62 seconds for Normal, about a minute and a half for High Quality Grayscale, and about 4 minutes for High Quality. Normal and High Quality probably aren't distinguishable by the casual viewer, but held side by side Normal is slightly thicker and muddier looking. Under a magnifying glass the edges would be fuzzier. High Quality has a slighter thinner, harder, sharp-edged printshop look. High Quality Grayscale is just a little lighter. Normal Grayscale is actually hard to tell from High Quality, so I might switch to that as my default. I didn't test Very High Quality or Photo or their grayscales. By the way, the times above are for the first page, which includes the time it takes for the program to communicate with the printer. I just ran page 1 and 2 at Normal Grayscale and the first page was out at 28 seconds and the second at 51, so all subsequent pages should take about 23 seconds apiece. HTH, Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
Dale Huckeby wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, John Richard Smith wrote: that I wrote: Epson is very Linux friendly. They support Linux probably better than any other printer. I've got a Stylus C82 that I'm very happy with. In product reviews a few people complained about the noise the paperfeed makes, and it is definite but not bothersome in my opinion. What I noticed is that it works. It's very definite and precise in feeding and positioning the sheets, and mine has never jammed (in five or six months). I think you'll find that the C82 (or probably any Epson; this is my second one) will work very well with 9.1. That's what I'm running. Mandrake will know what it is and configure it for you, although you can specify quality settings at various levels of detail and expertise (in printerdrake in mcc) if you wish. Mine cost about $100. Its quality is pretty impressive. I scanned (on an Epson scanner!) and printed one of my niece's wedding photos, and it was practically indistinguishable from the real thing. Thank you Dale for your detailed experiences, these are the kind of personal experiences we all like to hear about. I'm not in the market today for a new printer , but may well think about it in the not too distant future, if I did want one today, I'm coming round to the Idea of trying out an Epson myself, well, I've had a good experience with their Epson perfection 2450 scanner, and with testermonials like yours one is encouraged. You don't mention print speeds? Don't know what the norm is. It's much faster than my Photo700, though. Print speed isn't that important to me (as long as it isn't interminable). I use the printer at a high resolution setting, so when I print out drafts of an article I'm working on (ie. in OOo), and eventually the final version, it looks really nice. I'm just aesthetic that way. I like for stuff I print out to look like print shop quality. Okay, that wasn't very helpful, so I just did a quick test, printing the same page in OpenOffice using different settings. The settings I chose from were Economy, Normal, High Quality, Very High Quality, and Photo, with a Grayscale version of each, for a total of ten settings. (These are for- inexpert-eyes combinations of the larger array of settings you can choose from if you click on the Advanced tab.) The grayscales are slightly lighter, although it's not noticeable at the higher quality settings. It is noticeable for Economy Grayscale, which has a couple of lines that are lighter than the rest. Economy, Normal, and Normal Grayscale all look pretty much the same, maybe identical to the average eye. I think Normal Grayscale actually looks slightly better than Normal, a little harder- edged. The time each takes to print one of a sample page, from the time I press the Okay button till the copy slides out, is 18 seconds for Economy Grayscale, 23 seconds for Economy, 28 seconds for Normal Grayscale, 62 seconds for Normal, about a minute and a half for High Quality Grayscale, and about 4 minutes for High Quality. Normal and High Quality probably aren't distinguishable by the casual viewer, but held side by side Normal is slightly thicker and muddier looking. Under a magnifying glass the edges would be fuzzier. High Quality has a slighter thinner, harder, sharp-edged printshop look. High Quality Grayscale is just a little lighter. Normal Grayscale is actually hard to tell from High Quality, so I might switch to that as my default. I didn't test Very High Quality or Photo or their grayscales. By the way, the times above are for the first page, which includes the time it takes for the program to communicate with the printer. I just ran page 1 and 2 at Normal Grayscale and the first page was out at 28 seconds and the second at 51, so all subsequent pages should take about 23 seconds apiece. HTH, Dale Huckeby OK so that sounds interesting. Now the time taken to create the print file and send it complete to the printer is always going to be longer in linux with ghostscript employed than in windblows, that cannot be helped, the PCL5 to PCL3 conversion takes time, and in any case each individual computer is going to vary the time according to it's power to process etc. So how about taking a 600dpi scanned file in either .pnm or .jpg of an A4 colour page(it can be anything) then send that file to printer at say 600dpi High quality, and note the time from when the file first arrives at the spooling window (kde - peripherals - printer - jobs) and you start to hear the printer load the sheet of paper to completion of the printed page. I created a 600dpi scanned A4 colour page .jpg file of 3.4Mb, in gimp, which took just over 3 minutes to print from the moment the page loaded to final ejection from the Lexmark Z53 printer. That's a lot of numbercrunchingbut sets a big task to compare performances with. How long would your Epson C82 take to process the same size and type of
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:58:42 -0400 Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:10:59 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As usual I'm amazed at the response here. Thanks all Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
Dale Huckeby wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Lee Wiggers wrote: Need recommendations for a cheap inkjet that is: 9.1 friendly refillable Epson is very Linux friendly. They support Linux probably better than any other printer. I've got a Stylus C82 that I'm very happy with. In product reviews a few people complained about the noise the paperfeed makes, and it is definite but not bothersome in my opinion. What I noticed is that it works. It's very definite and precise in feeding and positioning the sheets, and mine has never jammed (in five or six months). I think you'll find that the C82 (or probably any Epson; this is my second one) will work very well with 9.1. That's what I'm running. Mandrake will know what it is and configure it for you, although you can specify quality settings at various levels of detail and expertise (in printerdrake in mcc) if you wish. Mine cost about $100. Its quality is pretty impressive. I scanned (on an Epson scanner!) and printed one of my niece's wedding photos, and it was practically indistinguishable from the real thing. HTH, Dale Huckeby Thank you Dale for your detailed experiences, these are the kind of personal experiences we all like to hear about. I'm not in the market today for a new printer , but may well think about it in the not too distant future, if I did want one today, I'm coming round to the Idea of trying out an Epson myself, well, I've had a good experience with their Epson perfection 2450 scanner, and with testermonials like yours one is encouraged. You don't mention print speeds ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Thursday 18 September 2003 10:48 pm, Eric Huff wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:11:28 -0400 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I used checkinstall to build the RPM when I compiled it myself. and password in private email, if anyone else wants it, they will have to contact me and let me know so I can give them an id as well. Just to be sure, I will put an md5 sum for the package along with the RPM, you can download both and then check it yourself. I'd like to get it, too, please. Charles tends to put stuff at his site, if you want to check with him. His site is http://www.eslrahc.com/ and email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will send you an id and password. I don't have a problem making this available to anyone but given that I did not compile the package with a GPG key, I want to make sure that everyone who is interested can satisfy themselves as to the source of the package. Granted, it is just a set of printer drivers but I want to make sure that no one ends up compromised without knowing it by extending too many expectations about the security of the package. BTW, I would advise any person who routinely gets RPM's from disparate sources to install Kpackage, it allows you to look into the RPM indepth, see what files are included, where they go and other information about the package. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:12, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 12:29 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: I know if I wait long enough, you all start to agree with me, HP printers are not well supported in linux and do not work that well, as compared to epson and lexmark all of which I have have had one or more experience with one way or another. I repeat - with one exception, around 3 years ago (when I was defeated and temporarily gave up linux), I have used HP printers without any problems whatsoever. Mandrake has found them in every version from 8.0. IIRC HP show clearly on their website which models are supported. That's how I chose my present one. Anne Anne, I have to second what you say. I just bought and installed a HP Deskjet 3325 on my Debian Woody system. No drivers for it in the Woody debs so I just downloaded the open source drivers tarball from sourceforge, compiled and installed the driver. Then installed the printer using cups without any problem at all. This printer cost me all of $AUD 49-00 which is around $USD 30-00 this week. HP IMO support OSS so I believe we OSS users s/be supporting them. A further advantage for HP, along with Lexmark, is that they use oil based inks which makes for better smear resistance off the printer. My 2 bits. Bob Parker. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:25:36 -0400 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have my version from Texstar but I think that there are mdk RPM's available, if not on the CD, try rpmfind.net There are also fms which will do the same. The 1 of my choice is emelfm. BTW I object to being called a disparate source (-; Charles -- A large number of installed systems work by fiat. That is, they work by being declared to work. -- Anatol Holt - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel-2.4.22-10mdk-i686-up-4GB http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Friday 19 September 2003 10:49 am, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:25:36 -0400 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have my version from Texstar but I think that there are mdk RPM's available, if not on the CD, try rpmfind.net There are also fms which will do the same. The 1 of my choice is emelfm. BTW I object to being called a disparate source (-; I could think of a few other terms, how about: A) potentially malicious B) uncertain C) possibly clueless D) virtual E) potentially drug-addled F) potentially reality-challenged H) cluelessly floating on the ceiling in another dimension in an alternate reality Take your pick, I thought disparate was fairly diplomatic. ;-} -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:13:40 -0400 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could think of a few other terms, how about: A) potentially malicious B) uncertain C) possibly clueless D) virtual E) potentially drug-addled F) potentially reality-challenged H) cluelessly floating on the ceiling in another dimension in an alternate reality Take your pick, I thought disparate was fairly diplomatic. H), but that could have something to do with having already mastered E) and F) (-; Charles -- Flon's Law: There is not now, and never will be, a language in which it is the least bit difficult to write bad programs. - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel-2.4.22-10mdk-i686-up-4GB http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Bryan Phinney wrote: On Friday 19 September 2003 10:22 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 18 September 2003 10:48 pm, Eric Huff wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:11:28 -0400 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I used checkinstall to build the RPM when I compiled it myself. and password in private email, if anyone else wants it, they will have to contact me and let me know so I can give them an id as well. Just to be sure, I will put an md5 sum for the package along with the RPM, you can download both and then check it yourself. I'd like to get it, too, please. Charles tends to put stuff at his site, if you want to check with him. His site is http://www.eslrahc.com/ and email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will send you an id and password. I don't have a problem making this available to anyone but given that I did not compile the package with a GPG key, I want to make sure that everyone who is interested can satisfy themselves as to the source of the package. Granted, it is just a set of printer drivers but I want to make sure that no one ends up compromised without knowing it by extending too many expectations about the security of the package. BTW, I would advise any person who routinely gets RPM's from disparate sources to install Kpackage, it allows you to look into the RPM indepth, see what files are included, where they go and other information about the package. Kpackage, Is this on our CD's or where do we get it ? I have my version from Texstar but I think that there are mdk RPM's available, if not on the CD, try rpmfind.net Yep, M9.1 CD3 /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS3/kdeadmin-kpackage-3.1-8mdk.i586.rpm John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
John Richard Smith wrote: Dale Huckeby wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Lee Wiggers wrote: Need recommendations for a cheap inkjet that is: 9.1 friendly refillable Epson is very Linux friendly. They support Linux probably better than any other printer. I've got a Stylus C82 that I'm very happy with. In product reviews a few people complained about the noise the paperfeed makes, and it is definite but not bothersome in my opinion. What I noticed is that it works. It's very definite and precise in feeding and positioning the sheets, and mine has never jammed (in five or six months). I think you'll find that the C82 (or probably any Epson; this is my second one) will work very well with 9.1. That's what I'm running. Mandrake will know what it is and configure it for you, although you can specify quality settings at various levels of detail and expertise (in printerdrake in mcc) if you wish. Mine cost about $100. Its quality is pretty impressive. I scanned (on an Epson scanner!) and printed one of my niece's wedding photos, and it was practically indistinguishable from the real thing. HTH, Dale Huckeby Thank you Dale for your detailed experiences, these are the kind of personal experiences we all like to hear about. I'm not in the market today for a new printer , but may well think about it in the not too distant future, if I did want one today, I'm coming round to the Idea of trying out an Epson myself, well, I've had a good experience with their Epson perfection 2450 scanner, and with testermonials like yours one is encouraged. You don't mention print speeds ? John I have one and am very happy with it. Here's a link to it's page on epson.com. http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yesoid=22708391modeloid=14417infoType=Downloads I have the printer connected to my Mandrake box and have Samba set up to share the network printer on the network. When I print from my Win 2000 box (using the Win 2000 drivers-you have to install them in order to print to the Mandrake hosted printer) I get really fast print speeds. When I print from a program on the Mandrake box (Mozilla, The GIMP, etc.) I don't get the same speeds. The speed is acceptable, but it really flies when you initiate a print job from the Win 2000 machine. Anyone having the same experience? -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake Linux 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk Reiserfs and XFS | KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client Uptime: 13:20:00 up 13 days, 35 min, 1 user, load average: 0.28, 0.43, 0.48 --- All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
- Original Message - From: Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 01:33 Subject: Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer I have one and am very happy with it. Here's a link to it's page on epson.com. http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yesoid=22708391modeloid=14417infoType=Downloads I have the printer connected to my Mandrake box and have Samba set up to share the network printer on the network. When I print from my Win 2000 box (using the Win 2000 drivers-you have to install them in order to print to the Mandrake hosted printer) I get really fast print speeds. When I print from a program on the Mandrake box (Mozilla, The GIMP, etc.) I don't get the same speeds. The speed is acceptable, but it really flies when you initiate a print job from the Win 2000 machine. Anyone having the same experience? sorry brant, dun have an answer to your qn, but i do have a qn for you... i presume u're using the Epson C82, since that was model referred to previously in this thread. you compared the speed of printout for windoze and linux, but how's the quality? is there a noticeable difference? also, which driver are you under linux? thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Stormjumper wrote: - Original Message - From: Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 01:33 Subject: Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer I have one and am very happy with it. Here's a link to it's page on epson.com. http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yesoid=22708391modeloid=14417infoType=Downloads I have the printer connected to my Mandrake box and have Samba set up to share the network printer on the network. When I print from my Win 2000 box (using the Win 2000 drivers-you have to install them in order to print to the Mandrake hosted printer) I get really fast print speeds. When I print from a program on the Mandrake box (Mozilla, The GIMP, etc.) I don't get the same speeds. The speed is acceptable, but it really flies when you initiate a print job from the Win 2000 machine. Anyone having the same experience? sorry brant, dun have an answer to your qn, but i do have a qn for you... i presume u're using the Epson C82, since that was model referred to previously in this thread. you compared the speed of printout for windoze and linux, but how's the quality? is there a noticeable difference? also, which driver are you under linux? thanks The print quality is very good when initiated from either Windows or Linux. It's just faster under Windows. The printing speed between the two is about the same. It's the paper loading that is very fast when initiated by Windows. I would be *very* happy if I could get it to load that fast when initiated with Mozilla on Mandrake. I'm using the CUPS + GIMP-Print v4.2.5 driver. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake Linux 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk Reiserfs and XFS | KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client Uptime: 15:20:01 up 13 days, 2:35, 1 user, load average: 0.18, 0.34, 0.30 --- All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 4:55 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: DO NOT GET A HP-PSC 1210 they are cheap and make great copiers but printing.. _ Agree...HP and Xerox are off my list tnx Can't speak for Xerox, but I've always used HP and been well satisfied. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 4:50 am, Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2003 11:06 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: Hi all Need recommendations for a cheap inkjet that is: 9.1 friendly refillable Any thoughts? Well, I'd say stay away from HP since they are apparently sponsoring the SCO road show. http://www.sco.com/partners/city_to_city/oct2003/ That's a personal decision. If they had been sponsoring SCO's legal fight I would agree. Sponsoring a road show, to me, has little or no bearing on my choice of printer. They 'sponsor' linux enough to make sure that drivers are available, and that's important to me. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Lee Wiggers wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:10:08 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 20:06, Lee Wiggers wrote: Hi all Need recommendations for a cheap inkjet that is: 9.1 friendly refillable Any thoughts? Lee DO NOT GET A HP-PSC 1210 they are cheap and make great copiers but printing.. _ Agree...HP and Xerox are off my list tnx Lee Funny, I know if I wait long enough, you all start to agree with me, HP printers are not well supported in linux and do not work that well, as compared to epson and lexmark all of which I have have had one or more experience with one way or another. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 17 September 2003 11:50 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: Well, I'd say stay away from HP since they are apparently sponsoring the SCO road show. http://www.sco.com/partners/city_to_city/oct2003/ More than likely the sponsorship deals were inked well in advance of the lawsuit being filed. HP was supposed to have a keynote speaker at the show and pulled him and from what I understand, they have been noticeably absent from any of the proceedings and are not publicly commenting on the lawsuit. I think that we should all be cognizant that not every business wants to hang its future on a very public fight about intellectual property, regardless of how they might personally feel about who is right and wrong. HP is still pushing Linux openly and are helping our cause, at least by doing that. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 12:29 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: I know if I wait long enough, you all start to agree with me, HP printers are not well supported in linux and do not work that well, as compared to epson and lexmark all of which I have have had one or more experience with one way or another. I repeat - with one exception, around 3 years ago (when I was defeated and temporarily gave up linux), I have used HP printers without any problems whatsoever. Mandrake has found them in every version from 8.0. IIRC HP show clearly on their website which models are supported. That's how I chose my present one. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 1:12 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 12:29 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: I know if I wait long enough, you all start to agree with me, HP printers are not well supported in linux and do not work that well, as compared to epson and lexmark all of which I have have had one or more experience with one way or another. I repeat - with one exception, around 3 years ago (when I was defeated and temporarily gave up linux), I have used HP printers without any problems whatsoever. Mandrake has found them in every version from 8.0. IIRC HP show clearly on their website which models are supported. That's how I chose my present one. Anne Quote from www.linuxprinting.org Score Cards Excellent --- Epson Laser Printers (Not L and not AcuLaser C900/C1000) Hewlett Packard Laserjets (except Laserjet 1500) Hewlett Packard Inkjets Lexmark Optra Division Good --- Kyocera Laser Printers Brother HL Devices Epson Inkjets Minolta Average -- Canon Okidata Samsung Poor - Epson EPL L and AcuLaser C900/C1000 Printers Everyone Else Useless -- Brother MFC Devices Lexmark JetPrinters linuxprinting.org is run by Til Klampeter Mandrake's printer Guru. He knows what he is talking about. http://www.linuxprinting.org/vendors.html derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Just thought I'd throw this in... I've had an old Cannon BJC 1000 and it has worked with 7.0, 8.0, 9.0 and now 9.1. Don't know if it's a person could find one - it's at least three years old - but it was a cheapie and has always worked flawlessly. Curt -- Imagination is more important than knowledge. ~ Einstein Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 05:12, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 12:29 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: I know if I wait long enough, you all start to agree with me, HP printers are not well supported in linux and do not work that well, as compared to epson and lexmark all of which I have have had one or more experience with one way or another. I repeat - with one exception, around 3 years ago (when I was defeated and temporarily gave up linux), I have used HP printers without any problems whatsoever. Mandrake has found them in every version from 8.0. IIRC HP show clearly on their website which models are supported. That's how I chose my present one. Anne The PSC series can be used under linux but not by a newbie like me.. as I said it makes a great cheap copier. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 18 September 2003 06:29 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Lee Wiggers wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:10:08 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 20:06, Lee Wiggers wrote: Hi all Need recommendations for a cheap inkjet that is: 9.1 friendly refillable Any thoughts? Lee Funny, I know if I wait long enough, you all start to agree with me, HP printers are not well supported in linux and do not work that well, as compared to epson and lexmark all of which I have have had one or more experience with one way or another. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I used a HP deskjet 812C in ML easy to install and good reliable printing I then switched to a Epson C80 and latter added a Epsom C82 printer and Epson 1200U scanner Installation on all 3 was a no brainier and print quality and speed has been outstanding for the price. I did find out that it is best not to use cheep Chinese ink cartridges. What a mess The Epson ink cartridges are not bad priced if you get them on sale and we all know the real cost of a printer over the long haul is the ink, But thats a whole other topic. Marc KM5KW Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 1:26 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: Quote from www.linuxprinting.org Score Cards Excellent --- Epson Laser Printers (Not L and not AcuLaser C900/C1000) Hewlett Packard Laserjets (except Laserjet 1500) Hewlett Packard Inkjets Lexmark Optra Division Good --- Kyocera Laser Printers Brother HL Devices Epson Inkjets Minolta Average -- Canon Okidata Samsung Poor - Epson EPL L and AcuLaser C900/C1000 Printers Everyone Else Useless -- Brother MFC Devices Lexmark JetPrinters linuxprinting.org is run by Til Klampeter Mandrake's printer Guru. He knows what he is talking about. http://www.linuxprinting.org/vendors.html derek Useful, Derek. I've copied it to the TWiki page http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/HardwareCompatibility That page is getting a bit long, and we'll split it down shortly, but meanwhile, can I ask everyone to try to add one useful bit of info? If you want any help just ask. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Marc wrote: On Thursday 18 September 2003 06:29 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Lee Wiggers wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:10:08 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 20:06, Lee Wiggers wrote: Hi all Need recommendations for a cheap inkjet that is: 9.1 friendly refillable Any thoughts? Lee Funny, I know if I wait long enough, you all start to agree with me, HP printers are not well supported in linux and do not work that well, as compared to epson and lexmark all of which I have have had one or more experience with one way or another. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I used a HP deskjet 812C in ML easy to install and good reliable printing I then switched to a Epson C80 and latter added a Epsom C82 printer and Epson 1200U scanner Installation on all 3 was a no brainier and print quality and speed has been outstanding for the price. I did find out that it is best not to use cheep Chinese ink cartridges. What a mess The Epson ink cartridges are not bad priced if you get them on sale and we all know the real cost of a printer over the long haul is the ink, But thats a whole other topic. Marc KM5KW I have had two HP printers, one called appolo1200, which was terrible to set up and configure, and a Deskjet 670C which worked, but not well. These two printers are noisy,and jam the paper regularly, long since disposed of them. I have specifically bought for it's linux capability a Lexmark Z52, Z53, which both works well , has a choice of 4 drivers in ghostscript, is easy enough to set up, and what is more compared to the HP's are silent as a ghost , the paper never jams. Only drawback is cartridges are a tad expensive but last just a bit longer than the HP equivelent. I have had only the one experience with an epson, with a friend who asked me to help her install a Madrake OS(M9.0?) cann't remember the model , but it was a dream to install and really impressed her with it's performance. The printer was quieter than any HP that I have ever used. It never jams, and Ink cartridges I believe are so so priced. My Lexmark Z52 and Z53's are a bit slow by current day print speeds and I would not recommend them where that is an important factor, but for me I ain't that fussed, don't do vast amounts of printed matter if I can help it, heck that is what an electronic office is for. Now that Mandrake has a good screen save programme like Ksnapshot I don't need to print off those website pages any more as a reference in case something goes wrong. So it's just letters( a dying thing) and art work, and well I just stack the print jobs up and go away and leave them till I come back. I'm sure you all are going to tell be that the newer HP's are better now, good, but quote them and lets see, because I'm not that impressed. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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HP is still pushing Linux openly and are helping our cause, at least by doing that. Yepper, HP is pushing Linux. In fact, they are offering Linux as an OS option on at least one line of computers. I don't know of other major computer vendors that are doing the same. I'd agree that HP's sponsorship of the SCO roadshow is not an endorsement of the current legal tactics that SCO is embracing in reference to Linux. The Northwest Marmot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Thursday 18 September 2003 07:31 am, Aron Smith wrote: The PSC series can be used under linux but not by a newbie like me.. as I said it makes a great cheap copier. Depends on the model. I have a HP PSC950 and it worked out of the box with Mandrake version 9 and 9.1, with no changes whatsoever. Granted, I can't control the fax portion from Linux, but printing, scanning, and accessing smart media cards from the printer all work without any problems or configuration changes in Mandrake. I have heard other people talk about having problems but in most cases, those are related to homegrown or less friendly Linux distributions or other issues like USB support, etc. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 08:46, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 18 September 2003 07:31 am, Aron Smith wrote: The PSC series can be used under linux but not by a newbie like me.. as I said it makes a great cheap copier. Depends on the model. I have a HP PSC950 and it worked out of the box with Mandrake version 9 and 9.1, with no changes whatsoever. Granted, I can't control the fax portion from Linux, but printing, scanning, and accessing smart media cards from the printer all work without any problems or configuration changes in Mandrake. I have heard other people talk about having problems but in most cases, those are related to homegrown or less friendly Linux distributions or other issues like USB support, etc. The PSC 1250 uses somthing called the HP lightweight printer langage and is supposed to work thru CUPS but I have had no luck. I have been told that what I need is the CVS version of HPIJS, but,hell I'm a dummie How do I get it? meanwhile the Samsung ML-4500 laser printer works just fine.(only BW tho. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Thursday 18 September 2003 02:33 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 11:53, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 18 September 2003 12:35 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 08:46, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 18 September 2003 07:31 am, Aron Smith wrote: The PSC series can be used under linux but not by a newbie like me.. as I said it makes a great cheap copier. Depends on the model. I have a HP PSC950 and it worked out of the box with Mandrake version 9 and 9.1, with no changes whatsoever. Granted, I can't control the fax portion from Linux, but printing, scanning, and accessing smart media cards from the printer all work without any problems or configuration changes in Mandrake. I have heard other people talk about having problems but in most cases, those are related to homegrown or less friendly Linux distributions or other issues like USB support, etc. The PSC 1250 uses somthing called the HP lightweight printer langage and is supposed to work thru CUPS but I have had no luck. I have been told that what I need is the CVS version of HPIJS, but,hell I'm a dummie How do I get it? meanwhile the Samsung ML-4500 laser printer works just fine.(only BW tho. I am definitely not trying to be a smart ass here, HP does not list a PSC 1250 on their site. They do list a 1205 and a 2105, but not a 1250. Can I ask you to confirm what model printer you have? PSC 1210 bought it at sears $99.00 Well, you are right in that the printer that you have is not currently well supported under Linux. This has nothing to do with Mandrake in particular, but hardware support for Linux in general. HP only just started releasing software drivers for this particular hardware architecture in 11/2002, it takes a while for the Linux community to catch up to new releases. The short story seems to be that you can print with existing drivers (hpijs) but not scan, or you can scan with existing drivers (hpoj) but not print, or you can download and compile the latest bleeding edge version of hpoj (1.3), in which case you can do both. In order to get this version, you need to pull from the CVS repository which is where the developers store the current source code as they are working on it. The version you need for both printing and scanning is simply too new to be readily available, it is not considered stable yet and that means that there are no binaries, certainly none supported by Mandrake. HP itself usually only releases drivers covering printing which is supported by the current versions of drivers available under Mandrake Linux. The open source community has been building drivers to support scanning itself, but this does tend to lag a bit behind the latest hardware releases. I could start the process of explaining how to do this stuff but I would expect major problems in getting the code compiled since there is no way to control for dependencies and no real way of knowing what tools and packages are required. It is likely that you would have to compile and upgrade other packages that the code would be dependent upon and the only way to find out would be to pour through comments and notations from the developers. For the meantime, I would recommend removing any hpoj package on your system and leaving the printer-filters package installed, you should then be able to print to your printer but not scan from it. Hopefully, once a newer stable version of hpoj is available, you will be able to both scan and print. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Thursday 18 September 2003 05:44 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: For the meantime, I would recommend removing any hpoj package on your system and leaving the printer-filters package installed, you should then be able to print to your printer but not scan from it. Hopefully, once a newer stable version of hpoj is available, you will be able to both scan and print. For anyone else with an HP printer, the current latest version of hpijs which is HP's print driver is available from their site 1.4.1 and I just downloaded it, applied a patch to improve the quality of black printing when printing in color and compiled it and it worked like a champ without any extra effort. The quality is markedly better with the patch because it uses only the black ink cartridge to print in black instead of mixing from the color ink cartridge. If anyone wants links or details, just drop me a line. I might also consider building an RPM for those of you who want it with the patch installed. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 10:59 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 18 September 2003 05:44 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: For the meantime, I would recommend removing any hpoj package on your system and leaving the printer-filters package installed, you should then be able to print to your printer but not scan from it. Hopefully, once a newer stable version of hpoj is available, you will be able to both scan and print. For anyone else with an HP printer, the current latest version of hpijs which is HP's print driver is available from their site 1.4.1 and I just downloaded it, applied a patch to improve the quality of black printing when printing in color and compiled it and it worked like a champ without any extra effort. The quality is markedly better with the patch because it uses only the black ink cartridge to print in black instead of mixing from the color ink cartridge. If anyone wants links or details, just drop me a line. I might also consider building an RPM for those of you who want it with the patch installed. That does sound a worthwhile improvement. The quality of composite black has always been a bugbear. I'd really like to try this. If it's worth your while building the rpm I'll wait for it, but if not enough people are interested, would you please send me links/instructions so that I can do it myself? Thanks Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Lee Wiggers wrote: Need recommendations for a cheap inkjet that is: 9.1 friendly refillable Epson is very Linux friendly. They support Linux probably better than any other printer. I've got a Stylus C82 that I'm very happy with. In product reviews a few people complained about the noise the paperfeed makes, and it is definite but not bothersome in my opinion. What I noticed is that it works. It's very definite and precise in feeding and positioning the sheets, and mine has never jammed (in five or six months). I think you'll find that the C82 (or probably any Epson; this is my second one) will work very well with 9.1. That's what I'm running. Mandrake will know what it is and configure it for you, although you can specify quality settings at various levels of detail and expertise (in printerdrake in mcc) if you wish. Mine cost about $100. Its quality is pretty impressive. I scanned (on an Epson scanner!) and printed one of my niece's wedding photos, and it was practically indistinguishable from the real thing. HTH, Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Thursday 18 September 2003 06:07 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 10:59 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 18 September 2003 05:44 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: For the meantime, I would recommend removing any hpoj package on your system and leaving the printer-filters package installed, you should then be able to print to your printer but not scan from it. Hopefully, once a newer stable version of hpoj is available, you will be able to both scan and print. For anyone else with an HP printer, the current latest version of hpijs which is HP's print driver is available from their site 1.4.1 and I just downloaded it, applied a patch to improve the quality of black printing when printing in color and compiled it and it worked like a champ without any extra effort. The quality is markedly better with the patch because it uses only the black ink cartridge to print in black instead of mixing from the color ink cartridge. If anyone wants links or details, just drop me a line. I might also consider building an RPM for those of you who want it with the patch installed. That does sound a worthwhile improvement. The quality of composite black has always been a bugbear. I'd really like to try this. If it's worth your while building the rpm I'll wait for it, but if not enough people are interested, would you please send me links/instructions so that I can do it myself? Thanks Well, I used checkinstall to build the RPM when I compiled it myself. So, I have the package, it should install on any Mandrake 9.1 system without any problems since all the packages are compiled into the RPM. However, I did not sign the package with a GPG key, you would have to get mine from me anyway. I will put the RPM on my ftp server and send you a userid and password in private email, if anyone else wants it, they will have to contact me and let me know so I can give them an id as well. Just to be sure, I will put an md5 sum for the package along with the RPM, you can download both and then check it yourself. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 14:44, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 18 September 2003 02:33 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 11:53, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 18 September 2003 12:35 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 08:46, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 18 September 2003 07:31 am, Aron Smith wrote: The PSC series can be used under linux but not by a newbie like me.. as I said it makes a great cheap copier. Depends on the model. I have a HP PSC950 and it worked out of the box with Mandrake version 9 and 9.1, with no changes whatsoever. Granted, I can't control the fax portion from Linux, but printing, scanning, and accessing smart media cards from the printer all work without any problems or configuration changes in Mandrake. I have heard other people talk about having problems but in most cases, those are related to homegrown or less friendly Linux distributions or other issues like USB support, etc. The PSC 1250 uses somthing called the HP lightweight printer langage and is supposed to work thru CUPS but I have had no luck. I have been told that what I need is the CVS version of HPIJS, but,hell I'm a dummie How do I get it? meanwhile the Samsung ML-4500 laser printer works just fine.(only BW tho. I am definitely not trying to be a smart ass here, HP does not list a PSC 1250 on their site. They do list a 1205 and a 2105, but not a 1250. Can I ask you to confirm what model printer you have? PSC 1210 bought it at sears $99.00 Well, you are right in that the printer that you have is not currently well supported under Linux. This has nothing to do with Mandrake in particular, but hardware support for Linux in general. HP only just started releasing software drivers for this particular hardware architecture in 11/2002, it takes a while for the Linux community to catch up to new releases. The short story seems to be that you can print with existing drivers (hpijs) but not scan, or you can scan with existing drivers (hpoj) but not print, or you can download and compile the latest bleeding edge version of hpoj (1.3), in which case you can do both. In order to get this version, you need to pull from the CVS repository which is where the developers store the current source code as they are working on it. The version you need for both printing and scanning is simply too new to be readily available, it is not considered stable yet and that means that there are no binaries, certainly none supported by Mandrake. HP itself usually only releases drivers covering printing which is supported by the current versions of drivers available under Mandrake Linux. The open source community has been building drivers to support scanning itself, but this does tend to lag a bit behind the latest hardware releases. I could start the process of explaining how to do this stuff but I would expect major problems in getting the code compiled since there is no way to control for dependencies and no real way of knowing what tools and packages are required. It is likely that you would have to compile and upgrade other packages that the code would be dependent upon and the only way to find out would be to pour through comments and notations from the developers. For the meantime, I would recommend removing any hpoj package on your system and leaving the printer-filters package installed, you should then be able to print to your printer but not scan from it. Hopefully, once a newer stable version of hpoj is available, you will be able to both scan and print. Thanks I'll remove HPOJ tonite and try again. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 15:07, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 10:59 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 18 September 2003 05:44 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote: For the meantime, I would recommend removing any hpoj package on your system and leaving the printer-filters package installed, you should then be able to print to your printer but not scan from it. Hopefully, once a newer stable version of hpoj is available, you will be able to both scan and print. For anyone else with an HP printer, the current latest version of hpijs which is HP's print driver is available from their site 1.4.1 and I just downloaded it, applied a patch to improve the quality of black printing when printing in color and compiled it and it worked like a champ without any extra effort. The quality is markedly better with the patch because it uses only the black ink cartridge to print in black instead of mixing from the color ink cartridge. If anyone wants links or details, just drop me a line. I might also consider building an RPM for those of you who want it with the patch installed. That does sound a worthwhile improvement. The quality of composite black has always been a bugbear. I'd really like to try this. If it's worth your while building the rpm I'll wait for it, but if not enough people are interested, would you please send me links/instructions so that I can do it myself? Thanks Anne I'm definitely interested] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:10:08 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 20:06, Lee Wiggers wrote: Hi all Need recommendations for a cheap inkjet that is: 9.1 friendly refillable Any thoughts? Lee DO NOT GET A HP-PSC 1210 they are cheap and make great copiers but printing.. _ Agree...HP and Xerox are off my list tnx Lee ___ __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:10:59 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2003 11:06 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: Hi all Need recommendations for a cheap inkjet that is: 9.1 friendly refillable Any thoughts? Lee I've been pretty happy with my Epson Stylus C62 - if you can find it, its dirt cheap now (I think I only paid something like $59 for it last year). -- /\ DarkLord \/ Thanks Found a new one on ebay w/20' USB cable for 45.00. Actually, I bought my gf a laser printer last week and she hates it, although she's too polite to say so. (It's bw). I'll give her the inkjet and the ink bill, and use the laser to write checks with. Life is good. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 11:58 pm, Lee Wiggers wrote: Thanks Found a new one on ebay w/20' USB cable for 45.00. Actually, I bought my gf a laser printer last week and she hates it, although she's too polite to say so. (It's bw). I'll give her the inkjet and the ink bill, and use the laser to write checks with. Life is good. Lee Understood. I've never wore very long hair, facial or otherwise (aside from a moustache) but my wife likes it so...I've got enough for a beard and a pony-tail... Nothing like domestic tranquility! :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
