Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT -- Heroes 3
Mike Tracy Holt wrote: To be honest with you - I haven't had ANY luck running Q3. Dacia on this list has had better luck using the voodoo cards, but I'm using a Matrox G400 max (which was supposed to work with this game - out of the box) which has not worked at all. I've tried xf3.3.x, xf4; I've tried using SuSE 7.0 (which I was able to grab off of a German mirror which has since been closed??) as well as every version of Mandrake that I've upgraded to - it's been very disappointing. On the other hand, I also have Q2 which uses software rendering and works great! I love to frag! I'm anxiously awaiting the day that I can actually use my copy of Q3 - I've even considered buying a new voodoo just so I can, but I just built this system to add to my home network and that was a couple thousand - my wife has confiscated my piggy bank for awhile... Mike Hi there. I've got Q3demo running just fine on my Voodoo 3000. My little bother, er brother also has it running on his setup with an NVIDIA TNT board... IF I was going to get a new video card today, I would pick something from NVIDIA over my Voodoo...they seem to support Linux a lot better... ;-)
Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT -- Heroes 3
Anyone know where I can pick up a copy of Quake? -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Jeff Malka wrote: Is this a Linux game or a DOS/Windows game in Linux? Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT -- Heroes 3 Still freezes On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, you wrote: It is kind of wierd the way that it hangs up after the music or after the first turn ends in my case. I can then ctrl-alt-backspace and start the game again without sound (apparently the sound device is busy) and it won't hang up at all. Well, at least for 20 minutes or so. At any rate, I tried playing with a couple of different settings. Try the following and see what results you guys get at a terminal try esd (this should make a r2d2 like sound) ctrl - c then start the game I no longer have the hang up but I'm missing some of the sound ... or so it seems you might also want to try export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=esd Oddly enough, most games that I've tried have tended to work better on a standard Mandrake install then Caldera. This one is the exception as it seems to work fairly well on my Caldera box. Larry Vic wrote: Same here, I sure as heck hope that the full version does not act like that too, I think the programmers when they told me it was the sound drivers were just making dumb excuses to sit around picking their noses and not do anything about it, or goodness knows maybe they were hopefully getting something done, I sure hope so. On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote: Vic wrote: Speaking of Gaming, has anyone had a problem with Heroes 3 for Linux freezing after the music stops? I downloaded the demo and after the music quit, the game froze and I had to get out the good ol' trusty virtual terminal and kill it. Hi Vic. I d/l'ed the Might and Magic 3 demo just the other day, and unfortunately, I have the same problem. Whenever I exit the game, end turn, etc, etc, the game music stops and the game is locked at that point, totally unresponsive. Hmm. I didn't kill it via terminal though. I just control alt F-10, shutting down the Xserver, then relogging back in. Guess either way works though, eh? ;-) If anybody knows a fix for this, please pass it along. Also, does anybody know if this problem is limited to the demo? I'd really like to know as this is one of the games that I'd really like to purchase the full version of. Thanks! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Larry Hignight Descent 3 Beta tester Caldera Linux 2.4 11:40am up 28 days, 19:48, 5 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00
RE: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT -- Heroes 3
Which version are you looking for? I got my copy of Quake 2 at the half-price bookstore for $14 but I got my copy of Q3 at the local computer store for something like $40. You can also purchase from lokisoft. What part of the world are you located in? Mike Anyone know where I can pick up a copy of Quake? -- Mark
Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT -- Heroes 3
Mike Tracy Holt wrote: Ah - you should be able to hit a mall close to you - electronics boutique? That's where I picked up Q3. You can usually find it anywhere they sell video games. Take care, Mike Does it run well in Linux? I've run it in Windows before, although that was a long time ago since I hardly ever use Windows any more. -- Mark
RE: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT -- Heroes 3
To be honest with you - I haven't had ANY luck running Q3. Dacia on this list has had better luck using the voodoo cards, but I'm using a Matrox G400 max (which was supposed to work with this game - out of the box) which has not worked at all. I've tried xf3.3.x, xf4; I've tried using SuSE 7.0 (which I was able to grab off of a German mirror which has since been closed??) as well as every version of Mandrake that I've upgraded to - it's been very disappointing. On the other hand, I also have Q2 which uses software rendering and works great! I love to frag! I'm anxiously awaiting the day that I can actually use my copy of Q3 - I've even considered buying a new voodoo just so I can, but I just built this system to add to my home network and that was a couple thousand - my wife has confiscated my piggy bank for awhile... Mike Mike Tracy Holt wrote: Ah - you should be able to hit a mall close to you - electronics boutique? That's where I picked up Q3. You can usually find it anywhere they sell video games. Take care, Mike Does it run well in Linux? I've run it in Windows before, although that was a long time ago since I hardly ever use Windows any more. -- Mark
RE: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT -- Heroes 3
have you trolled the loki quake3 mailing lists for ideas? I've gottn a lot of help from the info there. Abe = Original Message From "Mike Tracy Holt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To be honest with you - I haven't had ANY luck running Q3. Dacia on this list has had better luck using the voodoo cards, but I'm using a Matrox G400 max (which was supposed to work with this game - out of the box) which has not worked at all. I've tried xf3.3.x, xf4; I've tried using SuSE 7.0 (which I was able to grab off of a German mirror which has since been closed??) as well as every version of Mandrake that I've upgraded to - it's been very disappointing. On the other hand, I also have Q2 which uses software rendering and works great! I love to frag! I'm anxiously awaiting the day that I can actually use my copy of Q3 - I've even considered buying a new voodoo just so I can, but I just built this system to add to my home network and that was a couple thousand - my wife has confiscated my piggy bank for awhile... Mike Mike Tracy Holt wrote: Ah - you should be able to hit a mall close to you - electronics boutique? That's where I picked up Q3. You can usually find it anywhere they sell video games. Take care, Mike Does it run well in Linux? I've run it in Windows before, although that was a long time ago since I hardly ever use Windows any more. -- Mark Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.
Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT -- Heroes 3
It is kind of wierd the way that it hangs up after the music or after the first turn ends in my case. I can then ctrl-alt-backspace and start the game again without sound (apparently the sound device is busy) and it won't hang up at all. Well, at least for 20 minutes or so. At any rate, I tried playing with a couple of different settings. Try the following and see what results you guys get at a terminal try esd (this should make a r2d2 like sound) ctrl - c then start the game I no longer have the hang up but I'm missing some of the sound ... or so it seems you might also want to try export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=esd Oddly enough, most games that I've tried have tended to work better on a standard Mandrake install then Caldera. This one is the exception as it seems to work fairly well on my Caldera box. Larry Vic wrote: Same here, I sure as heck hope that the full version does not act like that too, I think the programmers when they told me it was the sound drivers were just making dumb excuses to sit around picking their noses and not do anything about it, or goodness knows maybe they were hopefully getting something done, I sure hope so. On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote: Vic wrote: Speaking of Gaming, has anyone had a problem with Heroes 3 for Linux freezing after the music stops? I downloaded the demo and after the music quit, the game froze and I had to get out the good ol' trusty virtual terminal and kill it. Hi Vic. I d/l'ed the Might and Magic 3 demo just the other day, and unfortunately, I have the same problem. Whenever I exit the game, end turn, etc, etc, the game music stops and the game is locked at that point, totally unresponsive. Hmm. I didn't kill it via terminal though. I just control alt F-10, shutting down the Xserver, then relogging back in. Guess either way works though, eh? ;-) If anybody knows a fix for this, please pass it along. Also, does anybody know if this problem is limited to the demo? I'd really like to know as this is one of the games that I'd really like to purchase the full version of. Thanks! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Larry Hignight Descent 3 Beta tester Caldera Linux 2.4 11:40am up 28 days, 19:48, 5 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00
Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT -- Heroes 3
Still freezes On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, you wrote: It is kind of wierd the way that it hangs up after the music or after the first turn ends in my case. I can then ctrl-alt-backspace and start the game again without sound (apparently the sound device is busy) and it won't hang up at all. Well, at least for 20 minutes or so. At any rate, I tried playing with a couple of different settings. Try the following and see what results you guys get at a terminal try esd (this should make a r2d2 like sound) ctrl - c then start the game I no longer have the hang up but I'm missing some of the sound ... or so it seems you might also want to try export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=esd Oddly enough, most games that I've tried have tended to work better on a standard Mandrake install then Caldera. This one is the exception as it seems to work fairly well on my Caldera box. Larry Vic wrote: Same here, I sure as heck hope that the full version does not act like that too, I think the programmers when they told me it was the sound drivers were just making dumb excuses to sit around picking their noses and not do anything about it, or goodness knows maybe they were hopefully getting something done, I sure hope so. On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote: Vic wrote: Speaking of Gaming, has anyone had a problem with Heroes 3 for Linux freezing after the music stops? I downloaded the demo and after the music quit, the game froze and I had to get out the good ol' trusty virtual terminal and kill it. Hi Vic. I d/l'ed the Might and Magic 3 demo just the other day, and unfortunately, I have the same problem. Whenever I exit the game, end turn, etc, etc, the game music stops and the game is locked at that point, totally unresponsive. Hmm. I didn't kill it via terminal though. I just control alt F-10, shutting down the Xserver, then relogging back in. Guess either way works though, eh? ;-) If anybody knows a fix for this, please pass it along. Also, does anybody know if this problem is limited to the demo? I'd really like to know as this is one of the games that I'd really like to purchase the full version of. Thanks! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Larry Hignight Descent 3 Beta tester Caldera Linux 2.4 11:40am up 28 days, 19:48, 5 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00
Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT -- Heroes 3
Is this a Linux game or a DOS/Windows game in Linux? Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT -- Heroes 3 Still freezes On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, you wrote: It is kind of wierd the way that it hangs up after the music or after the first turn ends in my case. I can then ctrl-alt-backspace and start the game again without sound (apparently the sound device is busy) and it won't hang up at all. Well, at least for 20 minutes or so. At any rate, I tried playing with a couple of different settings. Try the following and see what results you guys get at a terminal try esd (this should make a r2d2 like sound) ctrl - c then start the game I no longer have the hang up but I'm missing some of the sound ... or so it seems you might also want to try export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=esd Oddly enough, most games that I've tried have tended to work better on a standard Mandrake install then Caldera. This one is the exception as it seems to work fairly well on my Caldera box. Larry Vic wrote: Same here, I sure as heck hope that the full version does not act like that too, I think the programmers when they told me it was the sound drivers were just making dumb excuses to sit around picking their noses and not do anything about it, or goodness knows maybe they were hopefully getting something done, I sure hope so. On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote: Vic wrote: Speaking of Gaming, has anyone had a problem with Heroes 3 for Linux freezing after the music stops? I downloaded the demo and after the music quit, the game froze and I had to get out the good ol' trusty virtual terminal and kill it. Hi Vic. I d/l'ed the Might and Magic 3 demo just the other day, and unfortunately, I have the same problem. Whenever I exit the game, end turn, etc, etc, the game music stops and the game is locked at that point, totally unresponsive. Hmm. I didn't kill it via terminal though. I just control alt F-10, shutting down the Xserver, then relogging back in. Guess either way works though, eh? ;-) If anybody knows a fix for this, please pass it along. Also, does anybody know if this problem is limited to the demo? I'd really like to know as this is one of the games that I'd really like to purchase the full version of. Thanks! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Larry Hignight Descent 3 Beta tester Caldera Linux 2.4 11:40am up 28 days, 19:48, 5 users, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00
Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT
I have that. Or at least I used to. - Original Message - From: bascule [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT ah! xtree gold: them were days (thick yorkshire brogue) bascule WC looks to be a very full featured utility and would appear to be much better then explorer. Perhaps MS should buyout the makers of WC and then incorporate it into the os instead of as an alternative to explorer. It actually reminds me of an older dos utility called gold something or rather.
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Hey Roman, Sorry this reply has taken so long. I was away in Frisco for the past five days Hey Larry, Have you seen the June 2000 issue of MaximumPC? The main article is How to Freshen Windows 98 for a Clean Start. So there are others out there like me who just can't seem to keep win98 from corrupting. Where can I read it ? I'm not sure if they have that article up on their site yet but try www.maximumpc.com Nope. I don't use windows enough anymore to bother., but I don't think the average user would know how to either or probably have a recent backup. I'll grant you that, but in my opinion he'd be lost in Linux. lol ... maybe they should try an imac ;-) reget is your friend. I've downloaded several distros on a 28.8 in the recent past. I guess you don't have to pay for local phone calls (to your ISP). Hell no. I consider it a therapeutic way for me to stick it to the phone company. There was an article, or, more of an opinion by John Carmack on /.org and there were many replies saying that either the Linux versions of their games do not work or they come out too late after the the original release, which makes them buy and play games under win rather than under Linux. I caught part of that article and was a bit bummed. However, they were able to recover the cost of the port and this is a totally different scenario then when Loki ports the game for a company as they take the risk of it not selling instead of the original developer/publisher. I think a large part of the broken game problem has more to do with people not having a new version of their distro or they have a distro that really just doesn't cater to gaming. Multimedia players - the reason why I like WinAMP more than XMMS is that plugin writers support it more than XMMS. That means that my favorite plugin (Geiss, www.geisswerks.com) runs with WinAMP and not with XMMS. Is there a way to make it run under Linux ? No, but we're catching up. Also, Mandrake/xmms does come with some plugins from the initial install. I found only one, which was... well, I've seen better. I think you'll prefer the 7.1 plugins to 7.0 XMMS can use winamp skins. Personally, I don't like most winamp skins and prefer a look more like Sonic which XMMS can do. Don't know Sonic. Do you mean Sonique ? And what is better about it looks compared to usual look of XMMS or WinAMP ? Yes, I meant Sonique. I should probably stop writing mails late at night. Just personal preference . I guess I'm getting tired of the square winamp skins. Don't get me wrong, there are awesome skins for winamp and xmms, I just want something a little different for the time being. Grip rules. I personally have quite a bit of experience with encoding mp3's in both linux and win98 and I far and away prefer to do it in linux. Why ? It is easy, full featured and free. I was disappointed with a few of the windows encoders because none of them actually did everything that I wanted. Either they were limited to 128 or didn't do cddb or cost bucks. Originally, I would rip the cd in windows transfer it to my linux box and encode it there with kblade. When I found Grip on the Mandrake distro,I was just overly impressed and ripping/encoding everything in sight. Grip can rip, cddb, and then encode for free. I always encode my personal cd's at 320 in the belief that quality is most important. Some of my friends complain about it, but hard drives are expected to be about $100 for 100gb next summer, and I also have a cd-r, so why not go for the best sound. Apart from that - I lacked a file manager at least equal or superior to Windows Commander. Is there anything under Linux that can offer me WC's power and effectivity ? I've never seen WC so I really couldn't say. Is it part of windows or a commerical program? It is shareware. www.ghisler.com I'll take a look when I get a chance. Right now I have about 999 more emails to get done. Even so, if it is more powerful and efficient then a bash shell, I'll eat a penguin. Well this would be like comparing the DOS command prompt to Norton Commander. Some might prefer the prompt, but I find that I can do things faster in NC. See, probably the major cause why I discontinued using Linux was that I haven't found anything like WC. I have WC to run on startup and I do everything from there - launch apps, browse my disk, copy, move, create dirs, there even is a command line so you don't have to run any terminal windows, it has built-in compression and decompression, FTP client, file compare... well I haven't seen anything better so far concerning all-in-one and having to run another util for everything I need to do in Linux is uncomfortable for me. Even if it only would mean to press alt-F2 or open the console - in WC I don't have to do that, I just type the command. There is quite a bit to address in those last two paragraphs, but I want
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Hey Larry, Sorry this reply has taken so long. I was away in Frisco for the past five days No problem, hope you enjoyed the trip. Nope. I don't use windows enough anymore to bother., but I don't think the average user would know how to either or probably have a recent backup. I'll grant you that, but in my opinion he'd be lost in Linux. lol ... maybe they should try an imac ;-) LOL yes ! ;-) reget is your friend. I've downloaded several distros on a 28.8 in the recent past. I guess you don't have to pay for local phone calls (to your ISP). Hell no. I consider it a therapeutic way for me to stick it to the phone company. ??? Sorry, I guess I am a bit unexperienced at English sarcasm, so please tell me in a way someone like me can understand ;-) I think a large part of the broken game problem has more to do with people not having a new version of their distro or they have a distro that really just doesn't cater to gaming. Might be, but who wants to have different distros for servers (Debian), desktop work (RedHat, MDK, Corel) and gaming (probably MDK and I don't know more) ? Grip can rip, cddb, and then encode for free. I always encode my personal cd's at 320 in the belief that quality is most important. Some of my friends complain about it, but hard drives are expected to be about $100 for 100gb next summer, and I also have a cd-r, so why not go for the best sound. Erm, if quality is most important, then why do you make MP3s and don't just let it be raw wav or something ? Apart from that - I lacked a file manager at least equal or superior to Windows Commander. Is there anything under Linux that can offer me WC's power and effectivity ? I've never seen WC so I really couldn't say. Is it part of windows or a commerical program? It is shareware. www.ghisler.com I'll take a look when I get a chance. Right now I have about 999 more emails to get done. Take a look. It's worth it. After you try it, you won't understand how someone can work with Explorer or My Computer. See, probably the major cause why I discontinued using Linux was that I haven't found anything like WC. I have WC to run on startup and I do everything from there - launch apps, browse my disk, copy, move, create dirs, there even is a command line so you don't have to run any terminal windows, it has built-in compression and decompression, FTP client, file compare... well I haven't seen anything better so far concerning all-in-one and having to run another util for everything I need to do in Linux is uncomfortable for me. Even if it only would mean to press alt-F2 or open the console - in WC I don't have to do that, I just type the command. There is quite a bit to address in those last two paragraphs, but I want to just make two points. First, comparing the dos cli to bash is like comparing doom to quake3 no contest. However, that isn't the main point I want to make. People tend to have preferences based on many reasons and sometimes it is because we are not aware of what the other side is capable of doing. I know I've done this on many an occasion. Yo man, right, but try WC and see for yourself. After a week you will not want to work in anything else in Win. With respect to WC, I think that you'll find KFM can do much of what you have listed. For instance, kfm is capable of the following: launching apps Well every file manager should be able to do that... however WC also has a "button bar" - you can place icons of your fav. progs in the top part of the window and launch them from there. browsing disks ... hd, fd, cd Yep, but HOW... To access my regular drive I have to go up (home), up (/), mnt, dos_hda5 to get to my stuff. I know I could do it somehow with ln, but in WC you have a dir hotlist, you just press ctrl-d and choose one of your fav. dirs to go to, and you're there. Of course I could cd or something, but this is just so easy. copy/move/create both files and directories With F5/F6/shift-F4 or F7 ? ftp web browser image viewer w/ thumb nails Actually, my main point is that KFM looks and behaves like windows Explorer, but I am used to something similarly pretty, but much more effective - WC. This leaves the following three items which either don't exist in kfm, need more clarification, or I don't know how to do it with kfm. commpression/decompression -- not sure what you mean by this one. Possibly a winzip like front end, proprietary compression algorithm, or hd compression supported by the os. By compression I meant that it uses the free zip source from the Info-ZIP group to create .zip files. You just select the files you want to compress, press alt-F5, name your archive and press enter. It also has an internal unarj and uses external archivers for other file types (ACE, UC2, RAR, etc.) BTW: WC also handles tar.gz archives ;-) file compare -- again, not sure if you mean a something like a md5 check
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ah! xtree gold: them were days (thick yorkshire brogue) bascule WC looks to be a very full featured utility and would appear to be much better then explorer. Perhaps MS should buyout the makers of WC and then incorporate it into the os instead of as an alternative to explorer. It actually reminds me of an older dos utility called gold something or rather.
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bascule wrote: ah! xtree gold: them were days (thick yorkshire brogue) bascule WC looks to be a very full featured utility and would appear to be much better then explorer. Perhaps MS should buyout the makers of WC and then incorporate it into the os instead of as an alternative to explorer. It actually reminds me of an older dos utility called gold something or rather. that's the one :-) -- Larry Hignight Descent 3 Beta tester Caldera Linux 2.4 - 4:45pm up 27 days, 53 min, 5 users, load average: 0.63, 0.45, 0.29 -
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Roman, snip Hell no. I consider it a therapeutic way for me to stick it to the phone company. ??? Sorry, I guess I am a bit unexperienced at English sarcasm, so please tell me in a way someone like me can understand ;-) It was a bad joke not worth retelling :) Might be, but who wants to have different distros for servers (Debian), desktop work (RedHat, MDK, Corel) and gaming (probably MDK and I don't know more) ? Depends on your perspective. The typical home user wants something like Mandrake which has a pretty large bag of tricks. A sysadmin on the other hand may like using TurboLinux for his/her clustering solution, eServer for a thin client, and eDesktop for the employees desktops. More to the point of that thread I think that a lot of the dirstros just don't update fast enough to stay on top of all the developments in video/sound drivers and X. Therefore, they aren't really lending themselves as fully to the gaming market as say a Mandrake which tends to have a new version rather frequently. Grip can rip, cddb, and then encode for free. I always encode my personal cd's at 320 in the belief that quality is most important. Some of my friends complain about it, but hard drives are expected to be about $100 for 100gb next summer, and I also have a cd-r, so why not go for the best sound. Erm, if quality is most important, then why do you make MP3s and don't just let it be raw wav or something ? I've done several "taste tests" with a number of people and have yet to find someone who can tell the difference between the 320bit mp3 and the .wav file. Of course, a guy with an oscilloscope may do better ;-) Given that I think the quality of the 320bit mp3 is indestinguishable from the .wav file or cd, the compression is rather nice. A typically 50mb wav file compresses down to about 10mb at 320 which means I can burn anywhere from four to six cs's onto a single cdr. snip Take a look. It's worth it. After you try it, you won't understand how someone can work with Explorer or My Computer. Actually, I don't need WC to be baffled by the use of windows. :P WC looks to be a very full featured utility and would appear to be much better then explorer. Perhaps MS should buyout the makers of WC and then incorporate it into the os instead of as an alternative to explorer. It actually reminds me of an older dos utility called gold something or rather. snip Yep, but HOW... To access my regular drive I have to go up (home), up (/), mnt, dos_hda5 to get to my stuff. I know I could do it somehow with ln, but in WC you have a dir hotlist, you just press ctrl-d and choose one of your fav. dirs to go to, and you're there. Of course I could cd or something, but this is just so easy. Well, you address having to move from /home to /mnt/dos_hda5 in one of two ways that I can think of off the top of my head. First, you could create a symbolic line in your /home pointing to the dos partition. Second, you could just move the dos partition or files into /home and then access them there when using WC. BTW: WC also handles tar.gz archives ;-) That is actually a really nice feature about time some of the windows programmers started supporting tar and gzip. snip file compare -- again, not sure if you mean a something like a md5 check or just comparing dates and sizes. Comparing contents of two files and showing you the differences. This sounds a lot like a hexeditor which may explain why it isn't present in kfm. As a sysadmin, I don't think I would want to have a file manager that gave users the ability to peer inside of sensitive files and the opportunity to crack passwords. This would be doubly dangerous in windows where none of the files are off limits. snip :-) I guess I am not what you would call a true guru. I am a spoiled newbie used to the ease and power of WC and looking for something similar in Linux, which would neither stop me from using a terminal nor the GUI. Then Xemacs if for you and as a bonus you'll be able to use it in both Windows and Linux. snip :-) Hehe, and that's what the difference between WC and the Linux file managers I've seen is. In WC you press shift-F6 and just type the new name, then enter. No properties, no nothing like that. And shift-F6 is even faster than "mv oldname" IMHO ;-) Well, you had to select the file/directory that you wanted to move somehow ... which means that you either had to tab over to it, or use the arrows, or use the mouse to select it and then do the key sequence. We'll race sometime :) snip OK man, this seems to become a "WC against the rest of the world" discussion ;-)... still, give it a try, try not to be bothered by the initial 1-2-3 nag and see for yourself, then you can tell me what you think of it. Give yourself a bit of time with configuring it before using it fully and see how you like it. I'll give it a shot when I have a bit more time; however, I'm using
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Vic wrote: Speaking of Gaming, has anyone had a problem with Heroes 3 for Linux freezing after the music stops? I downloaded the demo and after the music quit, the game froze and I had to get out the good ol' trusty virtual terminal and kill it. Hi Vic. I d/l'ed the Might and Magic 3 demo just the other day, and unfortunately, I have the same problem. Whenever I exit the game, end turn, etc, etc, the game music stops and the game is locked at that point, totally unresponsive. Hmm. I didn't kill it via terminal though. I just control alt F-10, shutting down the Xserver, then relogging back in. Guess either way works though, eh? ;-) If anybody knows a fix for this, please pass it along. Also, does anybody know if this problem is limited to the demo? I'd really like to know as this is one of the games that I'd really like to purchase the full version of. Thanks! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/
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Same here, I sure as heck hope that the full version does not act like that too, I think the programmers when they told me it was the sound drivers were just making dumb excuses to sit around picking their noses and not do anything about it, or goodness knows maybe they were hopefully getting something done, I sure hope so. On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote: Vic wrote: Speaking of Gaming, has anyone had a problem with Heroes 3 for Linux freezing after the music stops? I downloaded the demo and after the music quit, the game froze and I had to get out the good ol' trusty virtual terminal and kill it. Hi Vic. I d/l'ed the Might and Magic 3 demo just the other day, and unfortunately, I have the same problem. Whenever I exit the game, end turn, etc, etc, the game music stops and the game is locked at that point, totally unresponsive. Hmm. I didn't kill it via terminal though. I just control alt F-10, shutting down the Xserver, then relogging back in. Guess either way works though, eh? ;-) If anybody knows a fix for this, please pass it along. Also, does anybody know if this problem is limited to the demo? I'd really like to know as this is one of the games that I'd really like to purchase the full version of. Thanks! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/
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Just testing reply here because I replied a few times but never appear in the list. What is wrong? Joe RLU#186063 Original Message On 8/25/00, 11:06:03 AM, Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT: Same here, I sure as heck hope that the full version does not act like that too, I think the programmers when they told me it was the sound drivers were just making dumb excuses to sit around picking their noses and not do anything about it, or goodness knows maybe they were hopefully getting something done, I sure hope so. On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote: Vic wrote: Speaking of Gaming, has anyone had a problem with Heroes 3 for Linux freezing after the music stops? I downloaded the demo and after the music quit, the game froze and I had to get out the good ol' trusty virtual terminal and kill it. Hi Vic. I d/l'ed the Might and Magic 3 demo just the other day, and unfortunately, I have the same problem. Whenever I exit the game, end turn, etc, etc, the game music stops and the game is locked at that point, totally unresponsive. Hmm. I didn't kill it via terminal though. I just control alt F-10, shutting down the Xserver, then relogging back in. Guess either way works though, eh? ;-) If anybody knows a fix for this, please pass it along. Also, does anybody know if this problem is limited to the demo? I'd really like to know as this is one of the games that I'd really like to purchase the full version of. Thanks! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/
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Hey Larry, Since this mail was probably directed mostly to me, I'll try to reply to it. I can hardly believe this thread. There is no way in hell that any os company (even ms) can have enough time and resources to write drivers for all the hardware out there. I repeat ... not even MS. As Jon Robertson said (and I agree), it is not the OS companies' job to make the drivers. It's the hardware poducers job. Off the top of my head, x86 Linux has better hardware support then any other os except ms win95/98. See, and this is one of the reasons why it is more used than Linux or W2K or NT or Be or any other OS. what about ce? I guess CE doesn't need to, the same way as it doesn't need to run a web server. Third, if you can't wrap your mind around the idea of partitions and mount points then there just isn't much hope for you. In my initial mail I said it was at the point of installing Linux. At that idea I had no idea what they were and there was no help in the install program that would tell me or at least give me a hint. Ever upgraded or reinstalled a MS system (seems like I can't go more then 3 months)? Yes, I did once on my old computer, from W95 to W98. That was about two years ago and it still works fine. On the other hand, I must admit that on my new computer I had to reinstall windows twice already because of flashing new BIOSes three times, changing IRQs of BIOS devices and my graphics card. It should work now, though. At least I don't have to reboot after using it. It seems to me that the biggest complaint about windows is rebooting (apart from BSoD). IMNSHO this is because of misconfiguration of the system. Old drivers, bad settings, small swap file, etc. If you would take the time to learn windows the same way you are learning Linux I think then you would have windows stable, without BSoDs and reboots. This is not a personal attack, just my opinion acording to what I have read on this list. It took me some time to get windows running smoothly, but now it does. I guess it would be the same with Linux, but so far I haven't seen a compelling reason to change to Linux. I have it on my system in dualboot, but as you guys say, "Don't change a winning team.", which has been windows so far for me. more rantYou can't keep your applications on another partition, reinstall the os, and expect them to work with that freakin' Satanic registry./morerant Have you tried to export their registry keys ? Fourth, a bit closer to the original posting. Granted, a V5 What is a V5 ? isn't going to be the easiest thing to get working at this point, but in two or three months every distro will have X4.0 with fairly modern 3d drivers ... That means downloading 650 megs again. (I am currently downloading MDK 7.1) sarcasmYou mean there are problems with some games in Linux ... oh dear, I can't ever seem to recall any articles in either PC Gamer or MaximumPC bitching about broken games and patches for windows. Although I haven't said much about games, but as you say, "patches for windows". At least there are patches for windows. I wonder how I can get Aliens vs. Predator or StarCraft runing under Linux. WinE ? Fact: there games are just as broken as ours. OK, but I rather take broken games with the hope that I can have some patch soon than no (OK, few) games without much support for Linux. Does the win98 install give you either an easy install Easy install - I would say yes. What have you found difficult about it ? or much choice? Don't think so. Can Win98 install over a network? Nope. FTP? You are right, it doesn't. It wasn't designed for that, it was designed for the home/office desktop user, not for really heavy duty network jobs. Ever had a win98 system setup with 5 or 6 comilers/languages; all the internet tools you can use; graphics programs; multimedia players; mp3 rippers/encoders in under a hour? Compilers/langs - you are right, it doesn't and they are very expensive, too. Other things - internet tools - I don't know, since I don't have inet at home so I haven't tried them. Graphics programs - what other programs are there for image manipulation apart from GIMP ? Not saying that there are any for windows (the omnipotent mspaint not included), but you said "programs", not "program". Multimedia players - the reason why I like WinAMP more than XMMS is that plugin writers support it more than XMMS. That means that my favorite plugin (Geiss, www.geisswerks.com) runs with WinAMP and not with XMMS. Is there a way to make it run under Linux ? Is there any area in which XMMS (or any other MP3 player) is superior to WinAMP ? Cos I don't see any sense in using it if I already have such a thing (WinAMP) which I like more. MP3 rippers/encoders - haven't seen or used them (under Linux). Apart from that - I lacked a file manager at least equal or superior to Windows Commander. Is there anything under Linux that can offer me WC's power and effectivity ? A week?
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Larry, I think you missed the point of the original message. Sometimes people need to just be honest that yes, Linux has made a lot of improvements but still does have some of it's own problems. That's all it was - not a slam to Linux or Mandrake or anyone else. Of course, everybody has their own take on that depending on their experience, and how they got where they're at. The problem is that sometimes people try to deny that Linux has any problems at all, which just isn't true and that's what led to the long string of replies in this thread. That's the jist of the thread and yes, win2k does support usb (and I believe that one of the service packs also brought it to NT 4 - not sure on that however). Mike I can hardly believe this thread. There is no way in hell that any os company (even ms) can have enough time and resources to write drivers for all the hardware out there. I repeat ... not even MS. Off the top of my head, x86 Linux has better hardware support then any other os except ms win95/98. Does win2k/nt do usb? what about ce? Also, if more hardware companies would write unified drivers then that would solve a number of problems. Think Nvidia and not 3dfx in the future. Incidentally, 3dfx is a dinosaur and will be extinct very soon. -- Larry Hignight
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Hey Eric, Well if 80% of the cars support it then I guess I will choose the car which supports the biggest variety of tires. Crazy, totally crazy ! I don't want tires used by 80% of the manufactors of cars. I want GOOD tires. My live depend of them. And if they are FREE, I want them certainly. And I don't waithing to change them in time, because they are FREE + GOOD you know ? Eric MC There are free and good tires for both cars. With the windows car you have a wider range of tires to choose, however. I found good and free tires for windows and currently it is unnecessary for me to get a new (even if free) car and look for all the parts again because they're incompatible. (Only my opinion, as always.) Roman
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Did my 'if microsoft made cars' message reach the list? - Original Message - From: Roman Korcek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric MC.D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:30 PM Subject: Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT Hey Eric, Well if 80% of the cars support it then I guess I will choose the car which supports the biggest variety of tires. Crazy, totally crazy ! I don't want tires used by 80% of the manufactors of cars. I want GOOD tires. My live depend of them. And if they are FREE, I want them certainly. And I don't waithing to change them in time, because they are FREE + GOOD you know ? Eric MC There are free and good tires for both cars. With the windows car you have a wider range of tires to choose, however. I found good and free tires for windows and currently it is unnecessary for me to get a new (even if free) car and look for all the parts again because they're incompatible. (Only my opinion, as always.) Roman
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Ed Tharp amongst others wrote (with a lot of snipping): And Mike is right about the platforms, too. OSs (plural) for the x86 platform should be able to support all the hardware available for the platform. But it isn't the responsibility of the OS company to support all hardware. All hardware for the x86 platform should support every OS available. So while I'll agree with you, I'll disagree about who is toblame. A decent hardware company should support every OS they can. And they should start with the most common. I'd like Linux to support my Matrox Marvel G400, PS/2 mouse, CD-RW and HP DeskJet 930 I can hardly believe this thread. There is no way in hell that any os company (even ms) can have enough time and resources to write drivers for all the hardware out there. I repeat ... not even MS. Off the top of my head, x86 Linux has better hardware support then any other os except ms win95/98. Does win2k/nt do usb? what about ce? Also, if more hardware companies would write unified drivers then that would solve a number of problems. Think Nvidia and not 3dfx in the future. Incidentally, 3dfx is a dinosaur and will be extinct very soon. Second, whoever wrote that the mandrake drivers aren't broke and that there the best probably has to much coding experience to be on this newbie list. Sorry for being arrogant and rude but they came across in the same manner. Third, if you can't wrap your mind around the idea of partitions and mount points then there just isn't much hope for you. Is it really any harder to grasp then chapter /usr in the book hda begins on page hda1. Not to mention those partitions/mount points are kind of nice when it comes time to upgrade. Ever upgraded or reinstalled a MS system (seems like I can't go more then 3 months)? What a pain in the ass (ms trademark); I mean really. The best application that comes with the os is notepad and I'm not dissin' notepad either. It might be the best thing MS ever made. At least I don't have to reboot after using it. more rantYou can't keep your applications on another partition, reinstall the os, and expect them to work with that freakin' Satanic registry./morerant Fourth, a bit closer to the original posting. Granted, a V5 isn't going to be the easiest thing to get working at this point, but in two or three months every distro will have X4.0 with fairly modern 3d drivers ... until then you've got to either wait it out or install some drivers. I've read a few hardware reviews of the V5 in Linux so it must work. sarcasmYou mean there are problems with some games in Linux ... oh dear, I can't ever seem to recall any articles in either PC Gamer or MaximumPC bitching about broken games and patches for windows. Fact: there games are just as broken as ours. Maybe not Quake or Unreal (actually, Unreal has been nothing short of hell for me in windows) but a lot of win98 games are just as big a pain to setup and tweak to stability./sarcasm I have a friend that laughed hysterically when he saw me playing a q3 match to 500 at a lan party a while back. What's so damn funny? I'd be lucky if my (win98) system made it to 20. Who cares about the buffet when the ship is sinking. Fifth, there is no "easiest" to install distro. Mandrake is easy; no doubt about it. Caldera might be a bit easier because it doesn't have quite as many hardware setup choices. Corel a bit easier still. You can get a Fry's system with a custom version of Linux. Pop in the cd and bam ... the system is installed. No questions asked. But you get what you pay for in a sense. I can't install either X3.6 or X4 in Caldera. That Fry's system is totally closed unless you know how to boot in as single user and replace root's password. So the added bit of complexity can be a good thing. Does the win98 install give you either an easy install or much choice? Don't think so. Can Win98 install over a network? Nope. FTP? With that silly ftp client?! Ever had a win98 system setup with 5 or 6 comilers/languages; all the internet tools you can use; graphics programs; multimedia players; mp3 rippers/encoders in under a hour? A week? Maybe w/ dsl or cable. Ever had a win98 system reinstall an older version of DirectX on top of the one you just dl'ed? Would a newbie know what just happened? Nope. Need another 50 examples of crappy software design? Hopefully not. Moral of the story: Linux is somewhat more complex at times; however that complexity gives us a much more robust and flexible os. And don't forget we won't be paying MS taxes any time soon either. Should we dumb down Linux just so a bunch of windows weenies can use it? Never. Let evolution replace them keep Linux pristine. -- Larry Hignight Descent 3 Beta tester Caldera Linux 2.4 - 5:10pm up 18 days, 1:18, 4 users, load average: 0.04, 0.09, 0.03 -
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This was in response to Roman, not your message; surprise though, I do have another response! g --- Actually --- my point is that Linux users need to pick the right hardware. Don't purchase a winmodem and then expect it to work under Linux. Why not? It's intel platform and if one OS can do it, then so can another ;-) --- My second point was that by choosing the right hardware, the installation is very easy. I don't use a cd/rw for an office machine. A typical office machine is used by someone who sets appointments, sends email, prints documents. The people in these types of jobs don't typically burn a cd. My example was that an office Linux box is very fast to install. It really is very fast. And I grant to everyone - that if a cd/rw was put in to the box -- or I was expected to put games on the machine - I'd choose different video, different amounts of RAM - and I wouldn't say that configuring Linux is fast. I have my computer(s) here at home set up with multiple OS's and they're all capable of handling whatever task I put to them. --- Next, when I go to the store, I never expect any new hardware that I purchase to work with the equipment that I already have ... upgrading hardware rarely works. snip What?!? Do you replace your computer everytime you buy a new piece of hardware??? I don't have that kind of money. Wouldn't you really like to look at the code behind Windows? -- and then be able to tell your neighbor. :-) Not especially, Windows is Windows, Linux is Linux - I like them both for what they do. Mike
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Carroll Grigsby wrote: ... and it has Firestone tires. -- Carroll Grigsby dont go out in the rain then!!! peter bunce uk
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> If you buy a new tire for your car and the car starts pulling so bad >> that you can't keep it on the road, who is to blame? Don't blame the >> car manufacturer just because the car doesn't support whatever tire you >> want to buy. > Well if 80% of the cars support it then I guess I will choose the car > which supports the biggest variety of tires. But you didn't. That car is named Windows. :) Jon Bull when IBM showed os2 to your mr gates he is reported as saying os2 is the best op software he had ever seen , but they then fell out and m$ then cobbelled together 95 followed by 98 hardley reliable ! and NO multitasking. linux is the future but it aint' easy. peter bunce (old newbe)
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Hey, And Mike is right about the platforms, too. OSs (plural) for the x86 platform should be able to support all the hardware available for the platform. But it isn't the responsibility of the OS company to support all hardware. All hardware for the x86 platform should support every OS available. So while I'll agree with you, I'll disagree about who is to blame. A decent hardware company should support every OS they can. OK, sorry, you are right, I didn't put my thoughts to paper correctly. I meant that every device should have support under every OS, not saying it's the OS's job. It's not the OS's job to do so. But Linux won't get far unless someone persuades the companies to make drivers for Linux, too. And they should start with the most common. I'd like Linux to support my Matrox Marvel G400, PS/2 mouse, CD-RW and HP DeskJet 930 The OS company may not know a single thing about the Matrox Marvel G400. On the other hand, the most OSs have published documentation on creating device drivers for the OS. But if the OS company wants to succeed it has to convince to the companies to use their specs and write a driver. I can program an OS, too (well, I can't), and put my specs out but why should the companies care ? That's the problem. If Linux wants to be mainstream it has to be attractive to the companies. I am much like Mike I guess - I like computers and love to learn about them no matter what platform or OS, but I want my mouse to work. Then buy a better mouse. :) I am fine with this one. It's great when it works. If you buy a new tire for your car and the car starts pulling so bad that you can't keep it on the road, who is to blame? hey and while we are on the subject, I have a diesel powered Subaru pickup, and I am sure pissed it will not haul that semi trailer up hill as fast as the kenworth... heck they are both diesel they both run on the same fuel, they both have air in the tires, and a manual shift transmission... who should I blame, the jap government for exporting this piece of piddle?
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Title: RE: Re[4]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT Mike is right, I didn't mean such extremes... Of course not. My first response was meant to be sarcasm. And Mike is right about the platforms, too. OSs (plural) for the x86 platform should be able to support all the hardware available for the platform. But it isn't the responsibility of the OS company to support all hardware. All hardware for the x86 platform should support every OS available. So while I'll agree with you, I'll disagree about who is to blame. A decent hardware company should support every OS they can. And they should start with the most common. I'd like Linux to support my Matrox Marvel G400, PS/2 mouse, CD-RW and HP DeskJet 930 The OS company may not know a single thing about the Matrox Marvel G400. On the other hand, the most OSs have published documentation on creating device drivers for the OS. I am much like Mike I guess - I like computers and love to learn about them no matter what platform or OS, but I want my mouse to work. Then buy a better mouse. :) If you buy a new tire for your car and the car starts pulling so bad that you can't keep it on the road, who is to blame? Don't blame the car manufacturer just because the car doesn't support whatever tire you want to buy. Jon
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Hey, And Mike is right about the platforms, too. OSs (plural) for the x86 platform should be able to support all the hardware available for the platform. But it isn't the responsibility of the OS company to support all hardware. All hardware for the x86 platform should support every OS available. So while I'll agree with you, I'll disagree about who is to blame. A decent hardware company should support every OS they can. OK, sorry, you are right, I didn't put my thoughts to paper correctly. I meant that every device should have support under every OS, not saying it's the OS's job. It's not the OS's job to do so. But Linux won't get far unless someone persuades the companies to make drivers for Linux, too. And they should start with the most common. I'd like Linux to support my Matrox Marvel G400, PS/2 mouse, CD-RW and HP DeskJet 930 The OS company may not know a single thing about the Matrox Marvel G400. On the other hand, the most OSs have published documentation on creating device drivers for the OS. But if the OS company wants to succeed it has to convince to the companies to use their specs and write a driver. I can program an OS, too (well, I can't), and put my specs out but why should the companies care ? That's the problem. If Linux wants to be mainstream it has to be attractive to the companies. I am much like Mike I guess - I like computers and love to learn about them no matter what platform or OS, but I want my mouse to work. Then buy a better mouse. :) I am fine with this one. It's great when it works. If you buy a new tire for your car and the car starts pulling so bad that you can't keep it on the road, who is to blame? Don't blame the car manufacturer just because the car doesn't support whatever tire you want to buy. Well if 80% of the cars support it then I guess I will choose the car which supports the biggest variety of tires. Roman
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Title: RE: Re[6]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT If you buy a new tire for your car and the car starts pulling so bad that you can't keep it on the road, who is to blame? Don't blame the car manufacturer just because the car doesn't support whatever tire you want to buy. Well if 80% of the cars support it then I guess I will choose the car which supports the biggest variety of tires. But you didn't. That car is named Windows. :) Jon
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Hey, If you buy a new tire for your car and the car starts pulling so bad that you can't keep it on the road, who is to blame? Don't blame the car manufacturer just because the car doesn't support whatever tire you want to buy. Well if 80% of the cars support it then I guess I will choose the car which supports the biggest variety of tires. But you didn't. That car is named Windows. :) I have such a perfect thing here - it's called "dualdrive". With it you can keep your old car and try a new one. I repeat, you can keep your old one, so you can use BOTH, the new one and the old one at the same time ! Unbelievable, isn't it ? And the price ? It isn't $99.95, not even $49.95 and not $9.95 ! It's for FREE ! Yes, you heard right, it's FREE ! I did choose it but I am giving Linux a try. So far I personally haven't seen any benefit for me. I am using MDK 7.0, downloading 7.1, maybe 7.1 will change my mind, but I don't think so. Roman
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Tracy Holt Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 6:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT But - seriously - with the right parts Linux is very easy to install. This doesn't seem ok, having to choose my hardware according to what OS I want to use. You are absolutely correct. I wish I could run Win98 on my Amiga. For that matter, it would be really neat if I could run Win2000 on my Mac. :) Disclaimer: I'm far from a *nix expert. I've only been using Linux on a regular basis for a couple of months. I actually like Windoze. I've been a computer geek for 19 years playing with various hardware during that time. So I found your comment quite humorous. No OS is going to work on every piece of hardware. It just isn't going to happen. In order to get the most stable system you want, you need to match your hardware to your OS. All the big boys do it. That is why Dell/Gateway/whoever won't support a workstation that was sold with Win98 but now has Win2000. We deal with this constantly at work... I also wonder if there is any other OS that supports as many different architectures as Linux (x86 - PCs, 68k - Mac / Amiga, PPC - Mac / whoknows, and countless others). Just my $.02... Jon I don't think that's quite what he meant Jon, and it's those sort of answers that keep the divide so wide between different OS users. Picking hardware is different than picking an entire platform; when I go to the computer store to buy a cd/rw, I bring it home - plug it in - load the software (under windows) and I'm up burning cd's within the hour. --- Actually --- my point is that Linux users need to pick the right hardware. Don't purchase a winmodem and then expect it to work under Linux. And that statement can really be OS independent -- You wouldn't want to buy a video card, only to discover that it doesn't work with your motherboard (e.g. a Voodoo 3 3000 will not work with certain versions of the Tyan Tiger 133 -- so it's best to not try it). --- My second point was that by choosing the right hardware, the installation is very easy. I don't use a cd/rw for an office machine. A typical office machine is used by someone who sets appointments, sends email, prints documents. The people in these types of jobs don't typically burn a cd. My example was that an office Linux box is very fast to install. It really is very fast. And I grant to everyone - that if a cd/rw was put in to the box -- or I was expected to put games on the machine - I'd choose different video, different amounts of RAM - and I wouldn't say that configuring Linux is fast. --- Next, when I go to the store, I never expect any new hardware that I purchase to work with the equipment that I already have ... upgrading hardware rarely works. Something else gets stressed, something breaks, something that worked will not work with the new part ... etc. Maybe I just have bad luck or maybe it's just an expectation that others have that I don't have ... that's why I try to choose all the hardware together at the same time. snip Let's stop the quibbling, the truth is obvious - people love to hate Bill. Let's just realize where we're at and then we can be clear about where we want to go. --- Finally, as a Linux advocate, I don't hate Bill. I would never hit him with a pie and I certainly didn't like it (nor did I laugh) when he was hit with a pie. The man was visibly shaken after that episode - and quite frankly cruelty isn't my specialty. But as a Linux advocate, I do like the thought of being able to make changes to code if I desire. I also happen to agree with Mr. Stallman (founder of GNU) that NDA agreements are difficult to sign - let alone tolerate - because if something is really exciting - it's a great temptation to share it. Wouldn't you really like to look at the code behind Windows? -- and then be able to tell your neighbor. :-)
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Roman Korcek wrote: Hey, If you buy a new tire for your car and the car starts pulling so bad that you can't keep it on the road, who is to blame? Don't blame the car manufacturer just because the car doesn't support whatever tire you want to buy. Well if 80% of the cars support it then I guess I will choose the car which supports the biggest variety of tires. Crazy, totally crazy ! I don't want tires used by 80% of the manufactors of cars. I want GOOD tires. My live depend of them. And if they are FREE, I want them certainly. And I don't waithing to change them in time, because they are FREE + GOOD you know ? Eric MC But you didn't. That car is named Windows. :) I have such a perfect thing here - it's called "dualdrive". With it you can keep your old car and try a new one. I repeat, you can keep your old one, so you can use BOTH, the new one and the old one at the same time ! Unbelievable, isn't it ? And the price ? It isn't $99.95, not even $49.95 and not $9.95 ! It's for FREE ! Yes, you heard right, it's FREE ! I did choose it but I am giving Linux a try. So far I personally haven't seen any benefit for me. I am using MDK 7.0, downloading 7.1, maybe 7.1 will change my mind, but I don't think so. Roman
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Wierd Hardware List: Athlon 800, GeForce DDR, SB-LIVE!, SmartFriendly CD-R/W, Pioneer DVD-ROM, 3COM 10/100 NIC, MS IntellimouseExplorer. Mandrake 7.1 identified and correctly configured it all right out of the box, on 'custom'. I could use everything with a few exceptions: 3D Acceleration, SBLive's Daughter Board, all the buttons on the IntellimouseExplorer and the actual DVD playing ability of my DVD player. Setting up 3D acceleration invloved installing XFree86 4.0.1 from binaries, deleting a few Mesa files, compiling and installing the drivers from nvidia's sight and finally figuring out how not to mess up /etc/X11/XF86Config when I modified it. The IntelliMouse explorer was a few fairly straight forward modifications to the same file, that is, straight forward having read the README.mouse file. Then some heavy web browsing trying to figure out how to get the side buttons to work. (used xmodmap for the first time). The DVD bit is apparently going to have to wait until the release of the 2.4.x kernel - as I refuse to patch my kernel with (almost) everything else working. Also, it's been difficult finding out how to configure the damned Live daughterboard... a pity. So, almost everything with no real pre-palnning ... all in all, I wouldn't expect my parents ... or any of my friends for that matter ... to have the ability/patience to figure it all out. Mostly, I was motivated by quake withdrawls from leaving Win98. :) Never underestimate and addict... - John
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Title: RE: Re[6]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT If microsoft made cars: The fuel, temperature, alarm, and battery lights would al be replaced with a general car error light. The engine would need a driver update every 2 days. The doors would not shut without a call to technical support. the locks would cost extra. No matter how big the boot, it would always get full. Most of the battery power would be needed to power the buy from microsoft banner on the back. Airbrakes would take 10 minutes to respond, and an hour to start up again. You would need to format the daskboard every 6 months. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 2:44 PM Subject: RE: Re[6]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT If you buy a new tire for your car and the car starts pulling so bad that you can't keep it on the road, who is to blame? Don't blame the car manufacturer just because the car doesn't support whatever tire you want to buy. Well if 80% of the cars support it then I guess I will choose the car which supports the biggest variety of tires. But you didn't. That car is named Windows. :) Jon
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... and it has Firestone tires. -- Carroll Grigsby
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But - seriously - with the right parts Linux is very easy to install. This doesn't seem ok, having to choose my hardware according to what OS I want to use. You are absolutely correct. I wish I could run Win98 on my Amiga. For that matter, it would be really neat if I could run Win2000 on my Mac. :) Disclaimer: I'm far from a *nix expert. I've only been using Linux on a regular basis for a couple of months. I actually like Windoze. I've been a computer geek for 19 years playing with various hardware during that time. So I found your comment quite humorous. No OS is going to work on every piece of hardware. It ABIT/Gentus... just isn't going to happen. In order to get the most stable system you want, you need to match your hardware to your OS. All the big boys do it. That is why Dell/Gateway/whoever won't support a workstation that was sold with Win98 but now has Win2000. We deal with this constantly at work... I also wonder if there is any other OS that supports as many different architectures as Linux (x86 - PCs, 68k - Mac / Amiga, PPC - Mac / whoknows, and countless others). Just my $.02... Jon
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Title: RE: Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT But - seriously - with the right parts Linux is very easy to install. This doesn't seem ok, having to choose my hardware according to what OS I want to use. You are absolutely correct. I wish I could run Win98 on my Amiga. For that matter, it would be really neat if I could run Win2000 on my Mac. :) Disclaimer: I'm far from a *nix expert. I've only been using Linux on a regular basis for a couple of months. I actually like Windoze. I've been a computer geek for 19 years playing with various hardware during that time. So I found your comment quite humorous. No OS is going to work on every piece of hardware. It just isn't going to happen. In order to get the most stable system you want, you need to match your hardware to your OS. All the big boys do it. That is why Dell/Gateway/whoever won't support a workstation that was sold with Win98 but now has Win2000. We deal with this constantly at work... I also wonder if there is any other OS that supports as many different architectures as Linux (x86 - PCs, 68k - Mac / Amiga, PPC - Mac / whoknows, and countless others). Just my $.02... Jon
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I wasn't refureing to os install, I was talking about installing apps. I know the rpm stuff make it easy to install in linux, but under windows you dont even have to open the file. Put in the cd and the install starts itsself. Windows is easeier to install than linux for me, because windows manages all the disk partitioning, formating and hardware detection itsself. And windows auto detects isa devices. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 8:16 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT I don't mean to be argumentative .. but I disagree with one of your ideas. The Crown for fastest installation of an OS belongs to Linux. Linux-Mandrake has got to be THE easiest installation when the correct hardware is matched with the OS. A fully usable office desktop is complete after very little effort. Even SAMBA and printing to a printer on a Win98 machine is easy with Mandrake! In contrast, I spend hours more installing, downloading and reinstalling drivers for Windows systems. Linux deserves a better PR than the statement that it is difficult to install. Can't get much easier than - boot off the CD - answer a few questions --- poof -- ta da. In fact, my 8 and 10 year old daughters have installed Linux on several machines (about 20 installs each). They love Mandrake which in their opinion is only second to SuSE (only because of the name - girls ya know!). But - seriously - with the right parts Linux is very easy to install. Now - I realize you mean to set it up as a game machine. That I agree - but give it time! There is a whole army of volunteers working on making it easier to set up a game machine. Office machines - Linux has already won - the press just needs to figure that out. Oh well - enjoy your day ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Goldenpi Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 11:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT Right there, linux is a great os for expert users but before it goes into common use it must get easeier. For a start it must get that fast install that windows has, and wine must be improved so it will run old windows software. When it runs AOL it should be able to run most things. It will need to automate more, I have just installed my new hdd which windows set up automatically while for linux I had to edit fstab. These things will all come with time. Most importantly, it must not get too easy to use because then it would go the way of windows and I wouldn't be able to show off :-) - Original Message - From: Mike Tracy Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT I completely agree with you; I've been frustrated for the last four months that I haven't been able to play quake 3 even though the box said my card was supported! I spent $40 on a game that I can't use and I've tried the howto's and all with no luck. The closest I've been to getting X working with it was loading SuSE 7.0 (just released) and I still have so many lines across the screen that I can't begin to play the game - I can just tell that my old problem is gone (choppy video and way to much delay to actually play). Linux may at some point rival Windows on the home users desktop, but I don't think it will be in the very near future; if that's the end goal, then it will have to become A LOT more intuitive and user manageable (i.e. - buy a game or an app off of the shelf, put the cdrom in the computer, few minutes later you're off and running). Mike p.s. - I still love Linux! Its true, but when I want to play a game I want to play a game not spend three days upgrading X and checking dependencies so I can play. For example, I have spent the last week trying to install X 4.01 so I can use my voodoo5 in linux. I have totally ruined my install 3 times. I actually got it working once but my mouse wouldn't work. I turned the computer off and went to bed. When I booted the next morning X wouldn't even start. Windows 98 first edition took the card fine. No problems. Works great out of the box. I've been playing games in windows for a week. Yesterday I bought, installed and played Unreal Tournament. It was about as easy as that too. Now, before you go off on me for not being hardcore enough about linux let me say that I use linux because I enjoy the challenge. I get frustrated just like any other person though. All of this is to support my explanation that windows is an excellent gaming playform. Like a nintendo on steroids. By the way, has anyone managed to install 4.01 and get a voodoo5 running? Mind sharing with me how you did it? I've followed the directions on Xfree86.org for upgrading to 4.01
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But - seriously - with the right parts Linux is very easy to install. This doesn't seem ok, having to choose my hardware according to what OS I want to use. You are absolutely correct. I wish I could run Win98 on my Amiga. For that matter, it would be really neat if I could run Win2000 on my Mac. :) Disclaimer: I'm far from a *nix expert. I've only been using Linux on a regular basis for a couple of months. I actually like Windoze. I've been a computer geek for 19 years playing with various hardware during that time. So I found your comment quite humorous. No OS is going to work on every piece of hardware. It just isn't going to happen. In order to get the most stable system you want, you need to match your hardware to your OS. All the big boys do it. That is why Dell/Gateway/whoever won't support a workstation that was sold with Win98 but now has Win2000. We deal with this constantly at work... I also wonder if there is any other OS that supports as many different architectures as Linux (x86 - PCs, 68k - Mac / Amiga, PPC - Mac / whoknows, and countless others). Just my $.02... Jon I don't think that's quite what he meant Jon, and it's those sort of answers that keep the divide so wide between different OS users. Picking hardware is different than picking an entire platform; when I go to the computer store to buy a cd/rw, I bring it home - plug it in - load the software (under windows) and I'm up burning cd's within the hour. Under Linux, it's going to require a kernel recompile (if you didn't previously have a burner attached) to start with; a task that's not really for the beginner! I've compiled my kernel a number of times, and while I'm getting better at it, I'm still no expert. I understand that quite a number of people that use linux now were once (if not still) windows users, and are possibly still mad at Bill; that's what we're really talking about here. Is Windows really horrible at everything? Is Linux REALLY better with the average desktop app? Come on, be honest! I use all those same apps, you're not kidding anybody! I'm studying for my MCSE, but I really want to work with Linux and Unix - I also want to play with Mac - I LOVE COMPUTERS!!! Let's stop the quibbling, the truth is obvious - people love to hate Bill. Let's just realize where we're at and then we can be clear about where we want to go. Mike (just my $.02...) == Mike Tracy Holt Kirkland, WA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==
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which video card are you trying top use with quake3? I actually had quite a bit of luck with that game so I might be able top help you out. Dacia I've got a Matrox G400 max (dual head; 360 ramdac) with 32MB ram. I've checked out the howto's, but have really not had any luck. Could you guide me through step by step (which .rpm versions of whatever do I need, etc.)? Thanks! Mike p.s. you can write me off-list if necessary.
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which video card are you trying top use with quake3? I actually had quite a bit of luck with that game so I might be able top help you out. Dacia --- Mike Tracy Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I completely agree with you; I've been frustrated for the last four months that I haven't been able to play quake 3 even though the box said my card was supported! I spent $40 on a game that I can't use and I've tried the howto's and all with no luck. The closest I've been to getting X working with it was loading SuSE 7.0 (just released) and I still have so many lines across the screen that I can't begin to play the game - I can just tell that my old problem is gone (choppy video and way to much delay to actually play). Linux may at some point rival Windows on the home users desktop, but I don't think it will be in the very near future; if that's the end goal, then it will have to become A LOT more intuitive and user manageable (i.e. - buy a game or an app off of the shelf, put the cdrom in the computer, few minutes later you're off and running). Mike p.s. - I still love Linux! Its true, but when I want to play a game I want to play a game not spend three days upgrading X and checking dependencies so I can play. For example, I have spent the last week trying to install X 4.01 so I can use my voodoo5 in linux. I have totally ruined my install 3 times. I actually got it working once but my mouse wouldn't work. I turned the computer off and went to bed. When I booted the next morning X wouldn't even start. Windows 98 first edition took the card fine. No problems. Works great out of the box. I've been playing games in windows for a week. Yesterday I bought, installed and played Unreal Tournament. It was about as easy as that too. Now, before you go off on me for not being hardcore enough about linux let me say that I use linux because I enjoy the challenge. I get frustrated just like any other person though. All of this is to support my explanation that windows is an excellent gaming playform. Like a nintendo on steroids. By the way, has anyone managed to install 4.01 and get a voodoo5 running? Mind sharing with me how you did it? I've followed the directions on Xfree86.org for upgrading to 4.01 and I've installed the 3dfx drivers but all I get is software mode or my mouse slides to the bottom right hand corner of the screen and stays there. ug. Dacia __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
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Right there, linux is a great os for expert users but before it goes into common use it must get easeier. For a start it must get that fast install that windows has, and wine must be improved so it will run old windows software. When it runs AOL it should be able to run most things. It will need to automate more, I have just installed my new hdd which windows set up automatically while for linux I had to edit fstab. These things will all come with time. Most importantly, it must not get too easy to use because then it would go the way of windows and I wouldn't be able to show off :-) - Original Message - From: Mike Tracy Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT I completely agree with you; I've been frustrated for the last four months that I haven't been able to play quake 3 even though the box said my card was supported! I spent $40 on a game that I can't use and I've tried the howto's and all with no luck. The closest I've been to getting X working with it was loading SuSE 7.0 (just released) and I still have so many lines across the screen that I can't begin to play the game - I can just tell that my old problem is gone (choppy video and way to much delay to actually play). Linux may at some point rival Windows on the home users desktop, but I don't think it will be in the very near future; if that's the end goal, then it will have to become A LOT more intuitive and user manageable (i.e. - buy a game or an app off of the shelf, put the cdrom in the computer, few minutes later you're off and running). Mike p.s. - I still love Linux! Its true, but when I want to play a game I want to play a game not spend three days upgrading X and checking dependencies so I can play. For example, I have spent the last week trying to install X 4.01 so I can use my voodoo5 in linux. I have totally ruined my install 3 times. I actually got it working once but my mouse wouldn't work. I turned the computer off and went to bed. When I booted the next morning X wouldn't even start. Windows 98 first edition took the card fine. No problems. Works great out of the box. I've been playing games in windows for a week. Yesterday I bought, installed and played Unreal Tournament. It was about as easy as that too. Now, before you go off on me for not being hardcore enough about linux let me say that I use linux because I enjoy the challenge. I get frustrated just like any other person though. All of this is to support my explanation that windows is an excellent gaming playform. Like a nintendo on steroids. By the way, has anyone managed to install 4.01 and get a voodoo5 running? Mind sharing with me how you did it? I've followed the directions on Xfree86.org for upgrading to 4.01 and I've installed the 3dfx drivers but all I get is software mode or my mouse slides to the bottom right hand corner of the screen and stays there. ug. Dacia
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I don't mean to be argumentative .. but I disagree with one of your ideas. The Crown for fastest installation of an OS belongs to Linux. Linux-Mandrake has got to be THE easiest installation when the correct hardware is matched with the OS. A fully usable office desktop is complete after very little effort. Even SAMBA and printing to a printer on a Win98 machine is easy with Mandrake! In contrast, I spend hours more installing, downloading and reinstalling drivers for Windows systems. Linux deserves a better PR than the statement that it is difficult to install. Can't get much easier than - boot off the CD - answer a few questions --- poof -- ta da. In fact, my 8 and 10 year old daughters have installed Linux on several machines (about 20 installs each). They love Mandrake which in their opinion is only second to SuSE (only because of the name - girls ya know!). But - seriously - with the right parts Linux is very easy to install. Now - I realize you mean to set it up as a game machine. That I agree - but give it time! There is a whole army of volunteers working on making it easier to set up a game machine. Office machines - Linux has already won - the press just needs to figure that out. Oh well - enjoy your day ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Goldenpi Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 11:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT Right there, linux is a great os for expert users but before it goes into common use it must get easeier. For a start it must get that fast install that windows has, and wine must be improved so it will run old windows software. When it runs AOL it should be able to run most things. It will need to automate more, I have just installed my new hdd which windows set up automatically while for linux I had to edit fstab. These things will all come with time. Most importantly, it must not get too easy to use because then it would go the way of windows and I wouldn't be able to show off :-) - Original Message - From: Mike Tracy Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT I completely agree with you; I've been frustrated for the last four months that I haven't been able to play quake 3 even though the box said my card was supported! I spent $40 on a game that I can't use and I've tried the howto's and all with no luck. The closest I've been to getting X working with it was loading SuSE 7.0 (just released) and I still have so many lines across the screen that I can't begin to play the game - I can just tell that my old problem is gone (choppy video and way to much delay to actually play). Linux may at some point rival Windows on the home users desktop, but I don't think it will be in the very near future; if that's the end goal, then it will have to become A LOT more intuitive and user manageable (i.e. - buy a game or an app off of the shelf, put the cdrom in the computer, few minutes later you're off and running). Mike p.s. - I still love Linux! Its true, but when I want to play a game I want to play a game not spend three days upgrading X and checking dependencies so I can play. For example, I have spent the last week trying to install X 4.01 so I can use my voodoo5 in linux. I have totally ruined my install 3 times. I actually got it working once but my mouse wouldn't work. I turned the computer off and went to bed. When I booted the next morning X wouldn't even start. Windows 98 first edition took the card fine. No problems. Works great out of the box. I've been playing games in windows for a week. Yesterday I bought, installed and played Unreal Tournament. It was about as easy as that too. Now, before you go off on me for not being hardcore enough about linux let me say that I use linux because I enjoy the challenge. I get frustrated just like any other person though. All of this is to support my explanation that windows is an excellent gaming playform. Like a nintendo on steroids. By the way, has anyone managed to install 4.01 and get a voodoo5 running? Mind sharing with me how you did it? I've followed the directions on Xfree86.org for upgrading to 4.01 and I've installed the 3dfx drivers but all I get is software mode or my mouse slides to the bottom right hand corner of the screen and stays there. ug. Dacia
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My sentiments exactly, Heroes 3 won't run for poop on my system , I have soundblaster awe 64 card and Mandrake 7.0-2 so it should work, but the stupid thing will freeze sometime after the music quits and they tried to tell me its my sound drivers, shyeah, as if. I don't have any other problems with my sound and Mandrake sound drivers kicks butt there is none better (in my opinion), because alsa dont work with the awe 64 midi chip in Mandrake 7.0-2 although the sound port works fine. On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, you wrote: I completely agree with you; I've been frustrated for the last four months that I haven't been able to play quake 3 even though the box said my card was supported! I spent $40 on a game that I can't use and I've tried the howto's and all with no luck. The closest I've been to getting X working with it was loading SuSE 7.0 (just released) and I still have so many lines across the screen that I can't begin to play the game - I can just tell that my old problem is gone (choppy video and way to much delay to actually play). Linux may at some point rival Windows on the home users desktop, but I don't think it will be in the very near future; if that's the end goal, then it will have to become A LOT more intuitive and user manageable (i.e. - buy a game or an app off of the shelf, put the cdrom in the computer, few minutes later you're off and running). Mike p.s. - I still love Linux! Its true, but when I want to play a game I want to play a game not spend three days upgrading X and checking dependencies so I can play. For example, I have spent the last week trying to install X 4.01 so I can use my voodoo5 in linux. I have totally ruined my install 3 times. I actually got it working once but my mouse wouldn't work. I turned the computer off and went to bed. When I booted the next morning X wouldn't even start. Windows 98 first edition took the card fine. No problems. Works great out of the box. I've been playing games in windows for a week. Yesterday I bought, installed and played Unreal Tournament. It was about as easy as that too. Now, before you go off on me for not being hardcore enough about linux let me say that I use linux because I enjoy the challenge. I get frustrated just like any other person though. All of this is to support my explanation that windows is an excellent gaming playform. Like a nintendo on steroids. By the way, has anyone managed to install 4.01 and get a voodoo5 running? Mind sharing with me how you did it? I've followed the directions on Xfree86.org for upgrading to 4.01 and I've installed the 3dfx drivers but all I get is software mode or my mouse slides to the bottom right hand corner of the screen and stays there. ug. Dacia
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mean to be argumentative .. but I disagree with one of your ideas. The Crown for fastest installation of an OS belongs to Linux. Linux-Mandrake has got to be THE easiest installation when the correct hardware is matched with the OS. A fully usable office desktop is complete after very little effort. Even SAMBA and printing to a printer on a Win98 machine is easy with Mandrake! In contrast, I spend hours more installing, downloading and reinstalling drivers for Windows systems. Linux deserves a better PR than the statement that it is difficult to install. Can't get much easier than - boot off the CD - answer a few questions --- poof -- ta da. In fact, my 8 and 10 year old daughters have installed Linux on several machines (about 20 installs each). They love Mandrake which in their opinion is only second to SuSE (only because of the name - girls ya know!). But - seriously - with the right parts Linux is very easy to install. Now - I realize you mean to set it up as a game machine. That I agree - but give it time! There is a whole army of volunteers working on making it easier to set up a game machine. Office machines - Linux has already won - the press just needs to figure that out. Oh well - enjoy your day ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Goldenpi Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 11:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT Right there, linux is a great os for expert users but before it goes into common use it must get easeier. For a start it must get that fast install that windows has, and wine must be improved so it will run old windows software. When it runs AOL it should be able to run most things. It will need to automate more, I have just installed my new hdd which windows set up automatically while for linux I had to edit fstab. These things will all come with time. Most importantly, it must not get too easy to use because then it would go the way of windows and I wouldn't be able to show off :-) - Original Message - From: Mike Tracy Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT I completely agree with you; I've been frustrated for the last four months that I haven't been able to play quake 3 even though the box said my card was supported! I spent $40 on a game that I can't use and I've tried the howto's and all with no luck. The closest I've been to getting X working with it was loading SuSE 7.0 (just released) and I still have so many lines across the screen that I can't begin to play the game - I can just tell that my old problem is gone (choppy video and way to much delay to actually play). Linux may at some point rival Windows on the home users desktop, but I don't think it will be in the very near future; if that's the end goal, then it will have to become A LOT more intuitive and user manageable (i.e. - buy a game or an app off of the shelf, put the cdrom in the computer, few minutes later you're off and running). Mike p.s. - I still love Linux! Its true, but when I want to play a game I want to play a game not spend three days upgrading X and checking dependencies so I can play. For example, I have spent the last week trying to install X 4.01 so I can use my voodoo5 in linux. I have totally ruined my install 3 times. I actually got it working once but my mouse wouldn't work. I turned the computer off and went to bed. When I booted the next morning X wouldn't even start. Windows 98 first edition took the card fine. No problems. Works great out of the box. I've been playing games in windows for a week. Yesterday I bought, installed and played Unreal Tournament. It was about as easy as that too. Now, before you go off on me for not being hardcore enough about linux let me say that I use linux because I enjoy the challenge. I get frustrated just like any other person though. All of this is to support my explanation that windows is an excellent gaming playform. Like a nintendo on steroids. By the way, has anyone managed to install 4.01 and get a voodoo5 running? Mind sharing with me how you did it? I've followed the directions on Xfree86.org for upgrading to 4.01 and I've installed the 3dfx drivers but all I get is software mode or my mouse slides to the bottom right hand corner of the screen and stays there. ug. Dacia I think that every one has been so used to using Windows, and they had forgotten how easy it really is to install Linux. I think NDK7.1 is the easiest to install. Also, Linux challenges the mind and makes you think about what you are doing. Windows doesn't. That's just my 2 cents. -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Penguin Powered E-mail
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Its true, but when I want to play a game I want to play a game not spend three days upgrading X and checking dependencies so I can play. For example, I have spent the last week trying to install X 4.01 so I can use my voodoo5 in linux. I have totally ruined my install 3 times. I actually got it working once but my mouse wouldn't work. I turned the computer off and went to bed. When I booted the next morning X wouldn't even start. Windows 98 first edition took the card fine. No problems. Works great out of the box. I've been playing games in windows for a week. Yesterday I bought, installed and played Unreal Tournament. It was about as easy as that too. Now, before you go off on me for not being hardcore enough about linux let me say that I use linux because I enjoy the challenge. I get frustrated just like any other person though. All of this is to support my explanation that windows is an excellent gaming playform. Like a nintendo on steroids. By the way, has anyone managed to install 4.01 and get a voodoo5 running? Mind sharing with me how you did it? I've followed the directions on Xfree86.org for upgrading to 4.01 and I've installed the 3dfx drivers but all I get is software mode or my mouse slides to the bottom right hand corner of the screen and stays there. ug. Dacia --- Carjam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux could do those games easeily, but most of them have only been writen for windows. Some of them, such as half-life, are out for linux and run fine on it. - Original Message - From: Dacia and AzureRose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 9:57 PM Subject: [newbie] OT *delicate cough* OT Windows is the best damn video game machine I've ever seen. For me, it is nothing but a glorified nintendo and it is VERY good at that. I thank those freaks at microsoft every time I sit down and play my favorite games because those games are beautiful and they would never run on a console. As someone else pointed out, every OS has its strengths and its weaknesses. Its not a matter of better or worse its a matter of which one will do the job you need to do. Dacia --- Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who is being racist here. windows sucks and that's the truth. no racism there. :) -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message... | Registered Linux user #182496 On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Darren Hall wrote: Yes i agree. But, 1. this is for linux news not personal views on Windows. 2. The claims (which are obviously biased) that Win9x is not on operating system is just rediculous. Despite any personal feeling you may have about the OS it is still plain and simply, an Operating System. I would prefer to not spend my time dealing with this subject anymore. This is a mailing list for people seeking knowledge and one bad "opinion" from a person may have a severe effect on someone just starting out. Limiting their experience and personal growth in everything that is out there. Each OS has something to offer. Let us try to not be so racist. That is my only point. - Original Message - From: "Tom Brinkman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] *delicate cough* On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, you wrote: It would be better if you actually researched something before you went spouting off. You really have done an outstanding job at making yourself look completely incompetant. We don't need personal attacks here either. Everyone is _entitled_ to give their opinions, experience, etc... right or wrong Gawd I know sometimes it's just a little brain fade on my part ;) Chill out a little. In the meantime, I hear cooker's fixin to be in an internal code freeze in 'bout 2 weeks. KDE2 and XF-4 should be release grade by then also. My guess, look for Mandrake 7.2 come late September/early October. XF-4, KDE2, and the fixable problems fixed with those some of y'all had with 7.1 -- ~~ Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Adrian Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] *delicate cough* somebody said: "Windows 3.0 thru 3.11 are not opperating systems. They are just shells, running on top of dos. Windows 95 is an opperating system. It contains a completly new filesystem(fat32 and fat16 with changes to support long filenames) and a new io.sys. windows 98 is really windows 95 with a few
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, you wrote: Now, before you go off on me for not being hardcore enough about linux let me say that I use linux because I enjoy the challenge. Has anyone ever studied the similarities between adventure gaming and installing Linux ? I find the one an excellent surrogate for the other ;-) Cheers, Ron the Frog, on the banks of the Paraguay River. -- If voting could really change things, it would be illegal. --- http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati ---
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I completely agree with you; I've been frustrated for the last four months that I haven't been able to play quake 3 even though the box said my card was supported! I spent $40 on a game that I can't use and I've tried the howto's and all with no luck. The closest I've been to getting X working with it was loading SuSE 7.0 (just released) and I still have so many lines across the screen that I can't begin to play the game - I can just tell that my old problem is gone (choppy video and way to much delay to actually play). Linux may at some point rival Windows on the home users desktop, but I don't think it will be in the very near future; if that's the end goal, then it will have to become A LOT more intuitive and user manageable (i.e. - buy a game or an app off of the shelf, put the cdrom in the computer, few minutes later you're off and running). Mike p.s. - I still love Linux! Its true, but when I want to play a game I want to play a game not spend three days upgrading X and checking dependencies so I can play. For example, I have spent the last week trying to install X 4.01 so I can use my voodoo5 in linux. I have totally ruined my install 3 times. I actually got it working once but my mouse wouldn't work. I turned the computer off and went to bed. When I booted the next morning X wouldn't even start. Windows 98 first edition took the card fine. No problems. Works great out of the box. I've been playing games in windows for a week. Yesterday I bought, installed and played Unreal Tournament. It was about as easy as that too. Now, before you go off on me for not being hardcore enough about linux let me say that I use linux because I enjoy the challenge. I get frustrated just like any other person though. All of this is to support my explanation that windows is an excellent gaming playform. Like a nintendo on steroids. By the way, has anyone managed to install 4.01 and get a voodoo5 running? Mind sharing with me how you did it? I've followed the directions on Xfree86.org for upgrading to 4.01 and I've installed the 3dfx drivers but all I get is software mode or my mouse slides to the bottom right hand corner of the screen and stays there. ug. Dacia
