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goldenpi wrote: Im still useing OE and I still use HTML. The options all say plain text but HTLM it is. I suspect that my settings are being ignored because OE wants to put links on the email addresses. - Original Message - From: Alan Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] want my linux work faster and networking Carroll Grigsby wrote: Alan: Yes, it is in good old plain honest-to-goodness non-html readable-everywhere format, just like it's supposed to be. -- cmg Alan Shoemaker wrote: I just went to a WinME box and configured Outlook Express. There were 3 settings in the 'send' tab to tell it to send in 'plain text'. Is this in 'plain text'? Hope so. Carrollthanks :-) This was actually intended for carjam/goldenpi who said he (they?) was (were) stuck with using HTML because he was stuck with using Outlook Express. So I tried Outlook Express out to see if it would output messages in plain text and to report what settings I used. Thanks again. -- Alan goldenpiYour message (the message I'm replying to) is in plain text. What makes you think that you are posting in HTML? -- Alan
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I will add only one thing. Worms are not written in C, particularly the windoze versions. The difference between a virus and a worm is this: A virus has a "leg" to stand-on, self-executing. A worm do not, it needs to use the programming language of the host system. Javascripts and Visual Basic Scripts are "worm" incubators. That is, the host "feeds" and "nurtures" the script. I hope I am coming through clear as I am suddenly hungry. If you need further clarification on the difference between a "worm" and a "virus", I can dig up my bookmarks or rummage through one of my old magazine articles and post it to this list. I hope that won't be neccessary, well at least until I have eaten first! Laters. Recall the first well-known worm - the Morris Worm, in 1988 (http://www.software.com.pl/newarchive/misc/Worm/darbyt/pages/worm.html). Neither JavaScript, VB Script nor HTML existed at the time, yet a worm it still was. Which is beside the point that that Tom was making about how "all HTML mail is bad and a security risk".
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Alan: Yes, it is in good old plain honest-to-goodness non-html readable-everywhere format, just like it's supposed to be. -- cmg Alan Shoemaker wrote: I just went to a WinME box and configured Outlook Express. There were 3 settings in the 'send' tab to tell it to send in 'plain text'. Is this in 'plain text'? Hope so.
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Carroll Grigsby wrote: Alan: Yes, it is in good old plain honest-to-goodness non-html readable-everywhere format, just like it's supposed to be. -- cmg Alan Shoemaker wrote: I just went to a WinME box and configured Outlook Express. There were 3 settings in the 'send' tab to tell it to send in 'plain text'. Is this in 'plain text'? Hope so. Carrollthanks :-) This was actually intended for carjam/goldenpi who said he (they?) was (were) stuck with using HTML because he was stuck with using Outlook Express. So I tried Outlook Express out to see if it would output messages in plain text and to report what settings I used. Thanks again. -- Alan
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carjam wrote: Probably, but some people (like me) are stuck with html. I use outlook express. I have set all the options to plain text. In 5 places I have set the options to plain text. And it still sends html. I am makeing my own mail client now :). Well, you must have convinced it cause you're sending plain text now. Good job! And, what are you writing your email client in? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
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Probably, but some people (like me) are stuck with html. I use outlook express. I have set all the options to plain text. In 5 places I have set the options to plain text. And it still sends html. I am makeing my own mail client now :). - Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] want my linux work faster and networking isn't there a way to filter HTML mail from the list? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
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On Friday 16 February 2001 08:30 pm, Tafta Zani wrote: ouch, sorry seems that outlook express turn my setting back to HTML format. (still using windoze coz I got WinModem, recommend me the right modem. I mean cheap, fast, and sure it isn't winmodem) http://www.kcdata.com/~gromitkc/winmodem.htmlhas a section that recommends some pci internals. Also you can go thru their link http://www.kcdata.com/~gromitkc/20010212a.htmlto check for a modem's linux compatibility before you buy it. A search of 'hardware modem' at http://www.pricewatch.com/ will return dozens of links, but you should still check any prospective modem against the the linux list above. My recommendation would be any internal pci or isa built around a Texas Instruments (TI) chipset. Phoebe/TI's are good/cheap. If you live in an area where the phone lines are only good for 28,800, you'll do better with a 33,6 modem than a 56K. -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay - Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] want my linux work faster and networking Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 15 February 2001 08:06 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: isn't there a way to filter HTML mail from the list? We could issue 12 ga shotguns ? -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay Now there's an idea...but why stop at shotguns? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
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On Saturday 17 February 2001 04:09 am, carjam wrote: Probably, but some people (like me) are stuck with html. I use outlook express. I have set all the options to plain text. In 5 places I have set the options to plain text. And it still sends html. I am makeing my own mail client now :). Nope, you sent this last post as plain text from your header Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Particularly Outlook Express users should use plain text, for their own safety. -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay - Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] want my linux work faster and networking isn't there a way to filter HTML mail from the list? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:09:25 - "carjam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably, but some people (like me) are stuck with html. I use outlook express. I have set all the options to plain text. In 5 places I have set the options to plain text. And it still sends html. I am makeing my own mail client now :). A suggestion for you. I recognise your difficulty with Outlook, there are alternatives. May I suggest that you take a look at Eudora, It allows plain ascii and has all of the other addons which Windows mailers have. http:/www.eudora.com That will get you to their d/l site where you have a number options, d/l the Lite version for Ver 3xx - it works very well. Cheers John --- Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected" (The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.)
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What do you mean by their own safety? -Paul R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] want my linux work faster and networking On Saturday 17 February 2001 04:09 am, carjam wrote: Probably, but some people (like me) are stuck with html. I use outlook express. I have set all the options to plain text. In 5 places I have set the options to plain text. And it still sends html. I am makeing my own mail client now :). Nope, you sent this last post as plain text from your header Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Particularly Outlook Express users should use plain text, for their own safety. -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay - Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] want my linux work faster and networking isn't there a way to filter HTML mail from the list? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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ROFL! 12 gayge? I'm thinking slugs. Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 15 February 2001 08:06 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: isn't there a way to filter HTML mail from the list? We could issue 12 ga shotguns ? -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
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On Saturday 17 February 2001 12:17, Paul Rodrguez wrote: What do you mean by their own safety? -Paul R Sat Feb 17 12:54:29 2001 What Tom is telling you Paul , is that rogue programs can be imbedded into HTML that can damage your microsoft system when you read the HTML mail...so for your own safety you should not use HTML. Not only that it is poor brinkmanship to post to the list in HTML..you are also putting yourself (your system) at risk if you use it. (sorry Tom grin) -- Olly P Biloxi Mississippi *mailed from Linux Via Kmail*
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Paul Rodrguez wrote:
What do you mean by their own safety?
-Paul R
He means that Microsoft, by default when html is enabled, executes any
scripts embedded in a html email message. The extension "vbs" is a
Visual Basic scripting language file, standard and embedded in most of
all of M$ products. (ie macros, javascript, etc)
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Aston wrote: Tafta Zani wrote: ouch, sorry seems that outlook express turn my setting back to HTML format. (still using windoze coz I got WinModem, recommend me the right modem. I mean cheap, fast, and sure it isn't winmodem) dynalink made some excellent internal and external modems, including the rare PCI based Linmodem, which is a software modem with Linux drivers. I had used their ISA modem prior to changing to cable internet, and have no complaint. recently i was also pleasantly surprised to find that Mitsubushi diamond manufactured an external modem that is compatible with Linux and SCO Unix. this was a surprise to me, because i am starting to find alot of winmodems among the el - cheapo external modems as well. Aston Sydney, Australia Yes...definately. If you can get Cable service I wouldn't spend the money on a modem. Last summer I spent $104 on a 3Com-US Robotics 56K internel that works great, but all I can think about now is getting DSL. I'm not sorry I bought it cause what I was using was dying, but what I'm going to have to pay for a cable modem is going to be a lot more then this 3Com modem I'm using now. -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
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Remember that MS Word is a stand-alone of a whole family of MS Office products. Star Office launches the entire office suite. If MS Office did the same it would need to launch Word, Power Point, Excel, etc., etc. You are not comparing apples to apples. Ineed, but I would much rather just load and launch e.g. Star Word alone, as I don't want or need the rest. Few people need more than one or two of the apps ever, and certainly not at the same time! :-( Rgds Martin
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Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 15 February 2001 08:06 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: isn't there a way to filter HTML mail from the list? We could issue 12 ga shotguns ? -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay Now there's an idea...but why stop at shotguns? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:04, Martin Cleaver wrote: Remember that MS Word is a stand-alone of a whole family of MS Office products. Star Office launches the entire office suite. If MS Office did the same it would need to launch Word, Power Point, Excel, etc., etc. You are not comparing apples to apples. Ineed, but I would much rather just load and launch e.g. Star Word alone, as I don't want or need the rest. Few people need more than one or two of the apps ever, and certainly not at the same time! :-( Rgds Martin I believe that StarOffice 6, which will be based on OpenOffice code and is due later this year, will be componentised and less monolithic. This means that you should be able to load only what you want, not the entire suite at once. Also, the StarOffice desktop will be dumped in favour of GNOME integration, although this shouldn't stop users of other environments from using it. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
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"Martin Cleaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember that MS Word is a stand-alone of a whole family of MS Office products. Star Office launches the entire office suite. If MS Office did the same it would need to launch Word, Power Point, Excel, etc., etc. You are not comparing apples to apples. Ineed, but I would much rather just load and launch e.g. Star Word alone, as I don't want or need the rest. Few people need more than one or two of the apps ever, and certainly not at the same time! :-( Rgds Martin I may be wrong, but I believe that the next major iteration of SO (6.0??) will be able to open any one of the progams alone, w/o the overhead of the other programs or desktop takeover. Hoping, Mike -- "Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing, and dreadful idolatry took place there." --Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, 16th century __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
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ouch, sorry seems that outlook express turn my setting back to HTML format. (still using windoze coz I got WinModem, recommend me the right modem. I mean cheap, fast, and sure it isn't winmodem) - Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] want my linux work faster and networking Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday 15 February 2001 08:06 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: isn't there a way to filter HTML mail from the list? We could issue 12 ga shotguns ? -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay Now there's an idea...but why stop at shotguns? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
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On Friday 16 February 2001 08:30 pm, you wrote: ouch, sorry seems that outlook express turn my setting back to HTML format. (still using windoze coz I got WinModem, recommend me the right modem. I mean cheap, fast, and sure it isn't winmodem) Jaton Communicator V.90 or a Best Data Smart One , both internal modems and both fast. Best Data had the best rating in some of the modem reviews I found on the net. They both run right around $80 US. -- Dennis Myers registered linux user #180842
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Tafta Zani wrote: ouch, sorry seems that outlook express turn my setting back to HTML format. (still using windoze coz I got WinModem, recommend me the right modem. I mean cheap, fast, and sure it isn't winmodem) dynalink made some excellent internal and external modems, including the rare PCI based Linmodem, which is a software modem with Linux drivers. I had used their ISA modem prior to changing to cable internet, and have no complaint. recently i was also pleasantly surprised to find that Mitsubushi diamond manufactured an external modem that is compatible with Linux and SCO Unix. this was a surprise to me, because i am starting to find alot of winmodems among the el - cheapo external modems as well. Aston Sydney, Australia
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Well, I've had an easy time with Diamond SupraExpress ISA and USRobotics 5610 pci. Both were easy to set up and work really well. Both run about $75. -s On Friday 16 February 2001 08:30 pm, you wrote: ouch, sorry seems that outlook express turn my setting back to HTML format. (still using windoze coz I got WinModem, recommend me the right modem. I mean cheap, fast, and sure it isn't winmodem)
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Remember that MS Word is a stand-alone of a whole family of MS Office products. Star Office launches the entire office suite. If MS Office did the same it would need to launch Word, Power Point, Excel, etc., etc. You are not comparing apples to apples. -Original Message-From: Tafta Zani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:51 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [newbie] want my linux work faster and networking hi guys, I have heard that linux is relatively faster then windows. But why do windows can open such large application like MS Word 2000 in less than five seconds but LM 7.2 needs more than that to open Star Office 5.2 Could any body recommend mesomething to be done (kernel compiling, turning off services, upgrade kernel, hdparm or something) ? By the way, where shouldI go ifI want to learnbasic networkingunder Linux and to activatemyATA66 harddisk? AMDDuron 700 Mhz Gigabyte GA-7ZX UDMA 66 onboard NVidia Riva TNT2 M64 16 Mb Compex RE100TX 10 Gb Quantum FB UDMA 66 TIA, Tafta
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Star Office is an astounding resource hog. I think Sun's promoting Star Office (and now Open Office) as a relatively inexpensive way to irritate Microsoft and create warm, fuzzy feelings about their "support" for Linux. It depresses me to see all the effort being put into Open Office. It's like Mozilla all over again. I simply can't believe that a functional office suite NEEDS to be such a pig. M. On Thursday 15 February 2001 07:51, Tafta Zani wrote: I have heard that linux is relatively faster then windows. But why do windows can open such large application like MS Word 2000 in less than five seconds but LM 7.2 needs more than that to open Star Office 5.2 -- Michael O'Henly TENZO Design
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Open StarOffice 5.2 in Windows and take the time You can't compare with two tools differents... See ya. Tafta Zani escribi: hi guys,I have heard that linux is relatively faster then windows.But why do windows can open such large application like MS Word 2000in less than five seconds but LM 7.2 needs more than that to open Star Office 5.2Could any body recommend me something to be done (kernel compiling,turning off services, upgrade kernel, hdparm or something) ?By the way, where should I go if I want to learn basic networking under Linux andto activate my ATA66 harddisk?AMD Duron 700 MhzGigabyte GA-7ZX UDMA 66 onboardNVidia Riva TNT2 M64 16 MbCompex RE100TX10 Gb Quantum FB UDMA 66TIA,Tafta -- dison Andrs Rivera Norea Ingeniero de Sistemas Departamento de Informtica Universidad de San Buenaventura Medelln - Colombia [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usb-med.edu.co/~neos
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Tanggal 15 Feb 2001, dari Tafta Zani : hi guys, I have heard that linux is relatively faster then windows. But why do windows can open such large application like MS Word 2000 in less than five seconds but LM 7.2 needs more than that to open Star Office 5.2 thats because windows already load another part of it during boot up. im sure you noticed that windows tooks more time to boot after the office apps installed. TIA, Tafta -- Ribbo "Consider yourself lucky. I only let the Adrianator do that." -- Slash, "Quake 3 Arena"
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Tafta Zani wrote: hi guys, I have heard that linux is relatively faster then windows. But why do windows can open such large application like MS Word 2000 in less than five seconds but LM 7.2 needs more than that to open Star Office 5.2 SO is a real pig. It basically takes over your entire machine, desktop and all. That's why it takes so long to open. If you want to be lean and mean, use abiword or give koffice a try. Could any body recommend me something to be done (kernel compiling, turning off services, upgrade kernel, hdparm or something) ? Probably won't help, because of the inherent design of the SO application. By the way, where should I go if I want to learn basic networking under Linux go here: http://www.q-linux.com/Tutorials_Guides/Samba/samba-Diagnosis.html
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Notice that office is only about 10 meg? Where does it go? Well, the windows directory grows by a few hundred meg. - Original Message - From: Ribbo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] want my linux work faster and networking Tanggal 15 Feb 2001, dari Tafta Zani : hi guys, I have heard that linux is relatively faster then windows. But why do windows can open such large application like MS Word 2000 in less than five seconds but LM 7.2 needs more than that to open Star Office 5.2 thats because windows already load another part of it during boot up. im sure you noticed that windows tooks more time to boot after the office apps installed. TIA, Tafta -- Ribbo "Consider yourself lucky. I only let the Adrianator do that." -- Slash, "Quake 3 Arena"
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isn't there a way to filter HTML mail from the list? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
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On Thursday 15 February 2001 08:06 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: isn't there a way to filter HTML mail from the list? We could issue 12 ga shotguns ? -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
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Try http://mandrakecampus.com/ "Owens, Blaine C" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 02/15/2001 08:23:14 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Max Bernard/BCP/International Thomson Publishing) Subject: RE: [newbie] want my linux work faster and networking Remember that MS Word is a stand-alone of a whole family of MS Office products. Star Office launches the entire office suite. If MS Office did the same it would need to launch Word, Power Point, Excel, etc., etc. You are not comparing apples to apples. -Original Message- From: Tafta Zani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] want my linux work faster and networking hi guys, I have heard that linux is relatively faster then windows. But why do windows can open such large application like MS Word 2000 in less than five seconds but LM 7.2 needs more than that to open Star Office 5.2 Could any body recommend me something to be done (kernel compiling, turning off services, upgrade kernel, hdparm or something) ? By the way, where should I go if I want to learn basic networking under Linux and to activate my ATA66 harddisk? AMD Duron 700 Mhz Gigabyte GA-7ZX UDMA 66 onboard NVidia Riva TNT2 M64 16 Mb Compex RE100TX 10 Gb Quantum FB UDMA 66 TIA, Tafta Remember that MS Word is a stand-alone of a whole family of MS Office products. Star Office launches the entire office suite. If MS Office did the same it would need to launch Word, Power Point, Excel, etc., etc. You are not comparing apples to apples. -Original Message-From: Tafta Zani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:51 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [newbie] want my linux work faster and networking hi guys, I have heard that linux is relatively faster then windows. But why do windows can open such large application like MS Word 2000 in less than five seconds but LM 7.2 needs more than that to open Star Office 5.2 Could any body recommend mesomething to be done (kernel compiling, turning off services, upgrade kernel, hdparm or something) ? By the way, where shouldI go ifI want to learnbasic networkingunder Linux and to activatemyATA66 harddisk? AMDDuron 700 Mhz Gigabyte GA-7ZX UDMA 66 onboard NVidia Riva TNT2 M64 16 Mb Compex RE100TX 10 Gb Quantum FB UDMA 66 TIA, Tafta
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On Thursday 15 February 2001 21:24, you wrote: On Thursday 15 February 2001 08:06 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: isn't there a way to filter HTML mail from the list? We could issue 12 ga shotguns ? Set the email reader to only display text? :) Or... in Kmail's case... uncheck " Prefer HTML to plain text" under folder options :) daniel in NJ
