Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
FemmeFatale wrote: At 09:04 PM 2/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: snip You must have some artistic/creative/designer-type friends, because all of the HTML mail eye candy I get is spam. And from all the spam, most is not eye candy but really poorly designed (I know from seeing the wife's spam in Mozilla). But I do get HTML mail from some friends, and it is just plain--they don't spend hours designing a mail template, or spend any time doing anything remotely interesting with the mail. In fact, most don't have any idea they're sending HTML mail because they use Outhouse or something and they just go with the default settings. For that reason, I think HTML is a waste. I mean, if you're going to waste the bandwidth, at least spend some time designing a nice stylesheet or something! And, no tables--if you can't design columns using a stylesheet, you shouldn't be allowed to send HTML mail! But it is indeed wonderful for spam. Todd Shrugs my sister sends me these JPG's all the time sometimes some poetry written with HTML. Spam..well... nothing I can say there. FWIW you're right ... 90% of all my HTML mail is spam. But for some ppl as I said, its nice to use it in their mail. More power to them. I've used it on a couple of occasions in the last few years. Sometimes I need to use non-ascii characters, and can't rely on the receiver having the ability to decode any other way. Once I had to circulate a document that wanted very clear subtitles and colour - I _could_ have done it in ASCII, but it wouldn't have been as clear. Normally, though, I'd just use this wanderful thing they have with e-mail called an attachment. HTML mail is so popular with spammers because they knowmostpeople won't bother to open attachments (though the success of e-mail worms implies that there are still some who will!). Me, I'm wating for e-mail in LaTeX. Sir Robin -- Like these cutters, and hackers, who will take the wall of men, and picke quarrells. - G. Pettie Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Sunday 09 February 2003 01:18 am, robin wrote: snip I've used it on a couple of occasions in the last few years. Sometimes I need to use non-ascii characters, and can't rely on the receiver having the ability to decode any other way. Once I had to circulate a document that wanted very clear subtitles and colour - I _could_ have done it in ASCII, but it wouldn't have been as clear. Normally, though, I'd just use this wanderful thing they have with e-mail called an attachment. HTML mail is so popular with spammers because they knowmostpeople won't bother to open attachments (though the success of e-mail worms implies that there are still some who will!). Me, I'm wating for e-mail in LaTeX. Sir Robin I've sent html e-mail occasionally myself. Personal greetings for special occasions such as birthdays or anniversaries, or for somber occasions where condolences would be more fitting. Personalized one off cards I mean. Everything has it's place and trying to deny people the free use of any form of self expression or technology because of abuse by a few rotten apples seems mildly retarded (technologically speaking) in my opinion. I prefer plain text personally, but there are times Besides; I vaguely recall reading that in some few of the most recent mass mailer worms infection didn't actually require the recipient to open any attachments. All that was required was an un-patched Lookout and default settings. As well as no anti-virus scanner for that broken piece of Microsoft effluvium. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 http://counter.li.org Absolute: Independent, irresponsible. An absolute monarchy is one in which the sovereign does as he pleases so long as he pleases the assassins. Not many absolute monarchies are left, most of them having been replaced by limited monarchies, where the sovereign's power for evil (and for good) is greatly curtailed, and by republics, which are governed by chance. -- Ambrose Bierce Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:58:30 +0200, Gil Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any HTML e-mail client like outlook express? There are several. If you're familiar with Outlook Express you'll feel right at home with Evolution. It does everything Outlook does except propagate viruses. -- Warren Post Santa Rosa de Copán, Honduras http://srcopan.vze.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 09:14:36AM +0200, Gil Katz wrote: Ok i didn??? express myself ouite clear enough i got several accounts in hotmail and the easiest way to handel them is by outlook express so that what i need. Gil I'm not sure I understand what you want to do. Do you want to access your various Hotmail accounts using a mail client like Outlook or any other client that can read multiple accounts? I set my wife up with hotwayd, which lets your computer act like a pop3 server to interface with Hotmail. She can access her Hotmail account without going to that dreadful website. You can get hotwayd here: http://people.freenet.de/courierdave/ Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
In reply to Gil's mail, d.d. Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:58:30 +0200: Hi is there any HTML e-mail client like outlook express? Gil Evolution should be what you look for. Paul -- Some Windows were made to be broken. http://nlpagan.net - Linux by Mandrake - Sylpheed by Hiro Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:04, Paul wrote: In reply to Gil's mail, d.d. Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:58:30 +0200: Hi is there any HTML e-mail client like outlook express? Gil Evolution should be what you look for. Paul Evolution got POP or IMAP what i need is a e-mail client to connect to hotmail Gil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gil Katz Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 5:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:04, Paul wrote: In reply to Gil's mail, d.d. Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:58:30 +0200: Hi is there any HTML e-mail client like outlook express? Gil Evolution should be what you look for. Paul Evolution got POP or IMAP what i need is a e-mail client to connect to hotmail Gil What you need is another mail account :-) Adolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
In reply to Adolfo's mail, d.d. Sat, 8 Feb 2003 05:30:30 -0400: Evolution got POP or IMAP what i need is a e-mail client to connect to hotmail Gil What you need is another mail account :-) *grin* Hotmail is a Micro$osft proprietary 'protocol' as far as I know. I have not heard about any linux-based e-mail program that has access to such protocol. Best shot from Linux, to my knowledge, would be the cross-over plugin, so you can run LookOut with that. Good luck. Paul -- Some Windows were made to be broken. http://nlpagan.net - Linux by Mandrake - Sylpheed by Hiro Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 08 February 2003 04:15 am, Gil Katz wrote: On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:04, Paul wrote: In reply to Gil's mail, d.d. Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:58:30 +0200: Hi is there any HTML e-mail client like outlook express? Gil Evolution should be what you look for. Paul Evolution got POP or IMAP what i need is a e-mail client to connect to hotmail Gil Maybe this is usefull for you then: http://dot.kde.org/1035822985/1035828921/1035906330/ KMail can already handle hotmail http mail via gotmail (http://freshmeat.net/projects/gotmail/). Simply fetch your mail from your hotmail account with gotmail, save it in a local mbox-style mailbox (Warning: Don't save it in ~/Mail !) and then fetch the messages from this mailbox with KMail. You can even configure gotmail as precommand for a local account in KMail so that in order to fetch new mail from your hotmail account all you have to do is press the Check Mail button in KMail. Of course you can also enable interval checking for your hotmail account. That's the beauty of Unix. Don't reinvent the wheel a thousand times but use the tools that already exist. Regard, Ingo - From http://dot.kde.org/1035822985/1035828921/1035906330/ Gotmail is a utility to non-interactively download email from a Hotmail account. It can download messages from all folders, messages from certain folders, or new messages only. There are options to delete downloaded messages or mark them as read. Gotmail can forward messages to other email addresses or save them as local mbox-style mailboxes. I don't see why this wouldn't work in any other mail client that can read mailboxes althout I really like KMail and the precommand that really helps there may not be available in other clients. If you want KMail to look like outlook, hold your breath and wait for kde 3.2, the answer is Kontact: http://www.kontact.org http://trolls.troll.no/sanders/kontact/kontact1.png http://trolls.troll.no/sanders/kontact/kontact2.png http://trolls.troll.no/sanders/kontact/kontact3.png http://trolls.troll.no/sanders/kontact/kontact4.png for more information of what's going on in 3.2 related to PIM: http://dot.kde.org/1043346607/ Hope it helped. Anyway, the get a new account advice is still a good advice. - -- Pupeno: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pupeno.com/~pupeno - --- Help the hungry children of Argentina, please go to (and make it your homepage): http://www.porloschicos.com/servlet/PorLosChicos?comando=donar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+RTVLLr8z5XzmSDQRAhEYAJ9c+U/GjDmr5uSfzNbjtNZo2I9xbwCeLfqh MXNly2yN26ckfkGpP2lgDgs= =AjJE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
Pupeno wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 08 February 2003 04:15 am, Gil Katz wrote: On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:04, Paul wrote: In reply to Gil's mail, d.d. Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:58:30 +0200: Hi is there any HTML e-mail client like outlook express? Gil Evolution should be what you look for. Paul Evolution got POP or IMAP what i need is a e-mail client to connect to hotmail Gil Maybe this is usefull for you then: http://dot.kde.org/1035822985/1035828921/1035906330/ KMail can already handle hotmail http mail via gotmail (http://freshmeat.net/projects/gotmail/). Simply fetch your mail from your hotmail account with gotmail, save it in a local mbox-style mailbox (Warning: Don't save it in ~/Mail !) and then fetch the messages from this mailbox with KMail. You can even configure gotmail as precommand for a local account in KMail so that in order to fetch new mail from your hotmail account all you have to do is press the Check Mail button in KMail. Of course you can also enable interval checking for your hotmail account. That's the beauty of Unix. Don't reinvent the wheel a thousand times but use the tools that already exist. Regard, Ingo - From http://dot.kde.org/1035822985/1035828921/1035906330/ Gotmail is a utility to non-interactively download email from a Hotmail account. It can download messages from all folders, messages from certain folders, or new messages only. There are options to delete downloaded messages or mark them as read. Gotmail can forward messages to other email addresses or save them as local mbox-style mailboxes. I don't see why this wouldn't work in any other mail client that can read mailboxes althout I really like KMail and the precommand that really helps there may not be available in other clients. If you want KMail to look like outlook, hold your breath and wait for kde 3.2, the answer is Kontact: http://www.kontact.org http://trolls.troll.no/sanders/kontact/kontact1.png http://trolls.troll.no/sanders/kontact/kontact2.png http://trolls.troll.no/sanders/kontact/kontact3.png http://trolls.troll.no/sanders/kontact/kontact4.png for more information of what's going on in 3.2 related to PIM: http://dot.kde.org/1043346607/ If you use Mozilla, the Hermes addon apparently allows reading of hotmail and some other web-based account as though they were POP3 accounts. See http://hermes.mozdev.org/index.html Hope it helped. Anyway, the get a new account advice is still a good advice. Yep, with all those free account services out there, using hotmail is unnecessary. Some now even give free POP3 accounts, e.g. softhome.net , which my wife uses. Netscape will give you a free account on registration, which can be read in Netscape Messenger (but not in Mozilla Messenger, AFAIK). Sir Robin -- Like these cutters, and hackers, who will take the wall of men, and picke quarrells. - G. Pettie Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:56, robin wrote: If you use Mozilla, the Hermes addon apparently allows reading of hotmail and some other web-based account as though they were POP3 accounts. See http://hermes.mozdev.org/index.html Not quite.. all hermes does is add a sidebar which gives you a dropdown list of webmail sites. You select hotmail, and it gives you two input boxes, username and password. You hit the login button, and it redirects the main browser page to hotmail. So all it really is is a shortcut. Plus Hermes doesn't work in the latest versions of Mozilla.. I should know.. hermes is my project.. and I can't seem to find time to fix the latest bugs. Plus I get reports that the url old versions of hermes use for hotmail might be out of date. Still.. it's a pretty colour and got a nice logo :) Sir Robin -- Azrael (\''/).___..--'''-._ `0_ O ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' .' ((i).-'' ((i).' (((.-' Of all God's creatures there is only one that cannot be made the slave of the lash. That one is the cat. If man could be crossed with a cat it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat. ICQ#52944566 Registered Linux User: 269002 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
Hi is there any HTML e-mail client like outlook express? Gil Hi Gil, Sure there is. Evolution is one, kmail is another. The first one is fancier (more like complete Outlook version, but buggy, at least in the 1.0.8 version) and there is kmail which is a pure mail client, working very nicely. The only thing which GNU/linux software never managed to achieve is writing an email client capable to do what Outlook does best: expose your system to 6+ viruses ;-) Enjoy! Andrei Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
Does Kmail handle HTML?? Russ - Original Message - Hi is there any HTML e-mail client like outlook express? Gil Hi Gil, Sure there is. Evolution is one, kmail is another. The first one is fancier (more like complete Outlook version, but buggy, at least in the 1.0.8 version) and there is kmail which is a pure mail client, working very nicely. The only thing which GNU/linux software never managed to achieve is writing an email client capable to do what Outlook does best: expose your system to 6+ viruses ;-) Enjoy! Andrei Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi is there any HTML e-mail client like outlook express? Gil Hi Gil, Sure there is. Evolution is one, kmail is another. The first one is fancier (more like complete Outlook version, but buggy, at least in the 1.0.8 version) and there is kmail which is a pure mail client, working very nicely. The only thing which GNU/linux software never managed to achieve is writing an email client capable to do what Outlook does best: expose your system to 6+ viruses ;-) Enjoy! Andrei What this guy is looking for is a *HTTP* mail client, specially suited for Hotmail, like Outlook Express or Outlook. -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //cel: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / _/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager: www.tun-tun.com (# 609-6213) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
When sending emails to lists and for general use, yes text only is acceptable and actually how it should be. This is NOT so for many family and friends that are spread the world over. Being able to dress up your letters and send pictures inline (so you can explain the photo) is a big thing and cannot be ignored. Between family and friends this is acceptable. You may have no use for HTML but others do have a valid desire to. That is why I want to write mail in HTML form. Thanks Russ BTW Mozilla's mail client sucks. Evolution is the way to go. - Original Message - Kmail will display html mails, but it will not write html mails. But then why would anyone want to write their mails in html? You would only piss people off. (Reasons being a/ Some clients cannot handle html and your mails would be unreadable. b/ A mail in html can look fine on one machine, and awful on another c/ Html mails are lots bigger and take longer to download d/ There is nothing you cannot express in plain text ) If you *really* want to write mails in HTML then Mozilla mail can do it. (But please send only plain text to this list) derek On Saturday 08 Feb 2003 4:40 pm, Russ wrote: Does Kmail handle HTML?? Russ - Original Message - Hi is there any HTML e-mail client like outlook express? Gil Hi Gil, Sure there is. Evolution is one, kmail is another. The first one is fancier (more like complete Outlook version, but buggy, at least in the 1.0.8 version) and there is kmail which is a pure mail client, working very nicely. The only thing which GNU/linux software never managed to achieve is writing an email client capable to do what Outlook does best: expose your system to 6+ viruses ;-) Enjoy! Andrei Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
BTW Mozilla's mail client sucks. Evolution is the way to go. I have not used Mozilla, but I think that Evolution is bloated, the use I would think for it would be in an office where you might need everything but the kitchen sink /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 11:15:18AM +0200, Gil Katz wrote: Evolution got POP or IMAP what i need is a e-mail client to connect to hotmail Gil As far as I know. hotmail uses a special protocol which outlook express and possibly the latest version of outlook can connect to... If you are using Linux, I think there might be something to pull it done to your system and possibly read it from there, if there is not, something could be written by using something like wget, probably. Ken -- Now I am depressed ... www.kenwstevens.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 09:23:18AM -0800, Russ wrote: When sending emails to lists and for general use, yes text only is acceptable and actually how it should be. This is NOT so for many family and friends that are spread the world over. Being able to dress up your letters and send pictures inline (so you can explain the photo) is a big thing and cannot be ignored. Between family and friends this is acceptable. You may have no use for HTML but others do have a valid desire to. That is why I want to write mail in HTML form. Yes, HTML mail can be ignored. It does not belong in emails. One reason not already listed is that a malicious person can really cause problems by coding html with javascript and.or activex objects (the latter only on MS machines) which may spread virii or worms. Ken -- Just to have it is enough. www.kenwstevens.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
Again, I must respectfully disagree with you. Unless they can come up with another way to dress up plain ol text between friends and family, it will stay. Most people want eye candy and without it they will move on. Linux does not need the various GUI's to operate, but in order to get more people on board it is necessary to make it more flashy and the same goes with email. It does not need flashy to work but that is what many many many many people want. You can rant and rave about it all you want but that is life. It is not about what makes it work but about what people want. Yes there are security risks involved but anytime you make things easier, you risk security. Russ - Original Message - On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 09:23:18AM -0800, Russ wrote: When sending emails to lists and for general use, yes text only is acceptable and actually how it should be. This is NOT so for many family and friends that are spread the world over. Being able to dress up your letters and send pictures inline (so you can explain the photo) is a big thing and cannot be ignored. Between family and friends this is acceptable. You may have no use for HTML but others do have a valid desire to. That is why I want to write mail in HTML form. Yes, HTML mail can be ignored. It does not belong in emails. One reason not already listed is that a malicious person can really cause problems by coding html with javascript and.or activex objects (the latter only on MS machines) which may spread virii or worms. Ken Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
Sure there is. Evolution is one, kmail is another. The first one is fancier (more like complete Outlook version, but buggy, at least in the 1.0.8 version) and there is kmail which is a pure mail client, working very nicely. The only thing which GNU/linux software never managed to achieve is writing an email client capable to do what Outlook does best: expose your system to 6+ viruses ;-) Personally I love Sylpheed, although it doesn't handle HTML very well, but HTML is generally a nuicanse (sp!) anyway, but then again there are tonnes of emailclients in Windows that doesn't expose you to viruses either. /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
You are right about the bloat but it does send and receive in HTML. I am still looking for the slimmed down version like OutLook Ex is to OutLook. Russ - Original Message - BTW Mozilla's mail client sucks. Evolution is the way to go. I have not used Mozilla, but I think that Evolution is bloated, the use I would think for it would be in an office where you might need everything but the kitchen sink /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Saturday 08 February 2003 12:56 pm, Russ wrote: Again, I must respectfully disagree with you. Unless they can come up with another way to dress up plain ol text between friends and family, it will stay. Most people want eye candy and without it they will move on. Linux does not need the various GUI's to operate, but in order to get more people on board it is necessary to make it more flashy and the same goes with email. It does not need flashy to work but that is what many many many many people want. You can rant and rave about it all you want but that is life. It is not about what makes it work but about what people want. Yes there are security risks involved but anytime you make things easier, you risk security. There are many who believe that people that want to use those kinds of features should not be using a computer, and at a minimum should not be using Linux. It is a snobbish sort of approach. Although there are some good points in the arguments, people are willing to take the risk for the eye-candy, so as long as they are educated to the risk and are willing to accept it, then I say so be it. As for kmail, you can create html mails by specifying a different editor for composing mail. How I deal with the security risks of html mail is with filters that whitelist people I trust. If I receive an html e-mail from somebody not on my trusted list, it gets sent to a different folder that displays everything as plain text, so it can be examined without rendering the html. If the sender is on the list, the message is forwarded to my inbox. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 14:07, Russ wrote: You are right about the bloat but it does send and receive in HTML. I am still looking for the slimmed down version like OutLook Ex is to OutLook. Russ - Original Message - BTW Mozilla's mail client sucks. Evolution is the way to go. I have not used Mozilla, but I think that Evolution is bloated, the use I would think for it would be in an office where you might need everything but the kitchen sink /Anders We should remember that Evolution was thought, created and designed to be a Linux client for Exchange servers and turned out to be a nice MUA/PIM. It may be bloated but I use almost any feature in it: mail, calendar, todo (tasks), contacts and particularly helpful to me, an assistant reminding me through my cell phone/pager of every meeting or appointment that I may have. It has even saved me from some trouble reminding me my wedding anniversary :-) -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //cel: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / _/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager: www.tun-tun.com (# 609-6213) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
You are right about the bloat but it does send and receive in HTML. I am still looking for the slimmed down version like OutLook Ex is to OutLook. I have not used it myself but IIRC there is a client called Balsa that is supposed to be good. Perhaps somebody else has used it and can give us a review of it /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
It may be bloated but I use almost any feature in it: mail, calendar, todo (tasks), contacts and particularly helpful to me, an assistant reminding me through my cell phone/pager of every meeting or appointment that I may have. Personally I prefer the traditional UNIX approach, one program one task and do it well, but to each his own. This is also btw my strongest objection towards Emacs. It has even saved me from some trouble reminding me my wedding anniversary :-) *grins* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
At 01:27 PM 2/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: snipper How I deal with the security risks of html mail is with filters that whitelist people I trust. If I receive an html e-mail from somebody not on my trusted list, it gets sent to a different folder that displays everything as plain text, so it can be examined without rendering the html. If the sender is on the list, the message is forwarded to my inbox. -- Greg Hm... could you share how you do that? onlist or off pls. Ty - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
At 07:24 PM 2/8/2003 +0100, you wrote: You are right about the bloat but it does send and receive in HTML. I am still looking for the slimmed down version like OutLook Ex is to OutLook. I have not used it myself but IIRC there is a client called Balsa that is supposed to be good. Perhaps somebody else has used it and can give us a review of it /Anders I can post a review I had of it from a very long time ago (2001 April/May issue) in an issue of Maximum Linux (a now defunct magazine). If anyone is interested that is, contact me offlist or post it to the list. - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
I can post a review I had of it from a very long time ago (2001 April/May issue) in an issue of Maximum Linux (a now defunct magazine). If anyone is interested that is, contact me offlist or post it to the list. Please share with us /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Saturday 08 February 2003 07:42 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: At 01:27 PM 2/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: snipper How I deal with the security risks of html mail is with filters that whitelist people I trust. If I receive an html e-mail from somebody not on my trusted list, it gets sent to a different folder that displays everything as plain text, so it can be examined without rendering the html. If the sender is on the list, the message is forwarded to my inbox. -- Greg Hm... could you share how you do that? onlist or off pls. Ty KMail has the ability to create quite advanced filters. You configure them from Settings == Configure Filters. The rule I use is a match all rule. The first criteria is if the body of the message contains the string html, and the next rules are basically a list of the from addresses that contain the addresses I want to receive html mail from. These are addresses that I trust. I basically set the rule to say that if the message body contains html, and does not contain [EMAIL PROTECTED], and does not contain [EMAIL PROTECTED], move to folder html-mail. If the message meets all the rules, it is html and it does not contain any of the addresses I specify it gets moved to the html folder, if not it goes on to the next filter or to the inbox if you don't have any more.. Of course, I have created a folder called html-mail and set it's preferences to display all messages as text. Now I can review the message without fear of someone that has created a malformed html string crashing my box. If it looks like I can trust it, I'll manually move it back to my inbox so I can view the rendered document as it is intended to be displayed. If it looks like I cannot trust it, I delete it. I have another filter that has rules that deletes any message that contains the words p*nis enlargement, viagra, dvd burning, and a few other well known phrases used by spammers -- basically a simple spam filter that cuts a lot of crap out of my inbox. Another thing I do is create a rule where every message that has the string [newbie] in the subject line is moved to a folder just for this list. Also one for Cooker and Expert, as well as the myriad of other lists I subscribe to. Keeps the inbox nice and tight. I hope this is clear as I wrote this very quickly. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
At 01:59 AM 2/9/2003 +0100, you wrote: I can post a review I had of it from a very long time ago (2001 April/May issue) in an issue of Maximum Linux (a now defunct magazine). If anyone is interested that is, contact me offlist or post it to the list. Please share with us /Anders Balsa: Gnome Intergration: Balsa is an email client specifically tailored to the Gnome Desktop environment. It was started virtually as soon as Gnome was released continued to develop into what it is today. Balsa had a rather long developmental lull period (almost one year) but has recently been more actively developed. At press time, Balsa 1.0 (April/May of 2001) was the latest release. The old Linux saying There is more than one way to do it or TIMTOWTDI, seems very applicable to Balsa. With the exception of the preferences dialog, Balsa has a nice clean user interface. But it is not always obvious how to accomplish certain things. For example, in order to get a nested folder hierarchy, you must physically create a directory in your mail directory (/home/username/mail by default) and then move the mailboxes you want into that directory. The fact that this tip is clearly documented in the FAQ document suggests to us that Balsa needs to develop better methods for doing many common tasks. One of the big Balsa pluses is the integration between the Gnome Card Balsa's address book. Balsa can read write e-mail addresses to the Gnome card Address file. Additionally, Balsa can use an LDAP address book-giving corp. or educational users easy access to the main e-mail directory system w/out jumping through a lot of hoops. The downside of this is that most pre-packaged versions of Balsa (Like RPM or Debian packages) do not have LDAP support built in, leaving the user or Sys Admin to download the source and compile it with LDAP enabled. One major thing we found sorely missing from Balsa is mail filtering. Development of mail filters is actively ongoing, much like the development of Balsa in general. However the current lack of built-in filter may be a problem for some POP3 users. Don't let this stop you. If you try Balsa and like it, we have the solution to this temp prob: If you have a POP3 acct, use fetchmail to download your mail from the mail server. Then use procmail to perform all your filtering into local mailbox files, which Balsa will then proceed to check. You can find out more info about fetchmail procmail from their respective MAN pages. Conclusion: Balsa is a very nice e-mail client that is currently in active development for the Gnome desktop. However, Balsa can do with some user interface improvements in the areas of account creation, folder hierarchy preferences options. Once these issues are addressed mail filtering has been added, Balsa will become a damn good alternative. Highs: == Integration with Gnome, Easy to use, HTML support, LDAP support IMAP support. Lows: = Must recompile for LDAP support, UI bugs, Mail account creation not obvious, No filters (in progress). Required: Any Linux distro, GTK and Gnome Libs. This article was dated April/May of 2001 - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
At 08:22 PM 2/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Saturday 08 February 2003 07:42 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: At 01:27 PM 2/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: snipper How I deal with the security risks of html mail is with filters that whitelist people I trust. If I receive an html e-mail from somebody not on my trusted list, it gets sent to a different folder that displays everything as plain text, so it can be examined without rendering the html. If the sender is on the list, the message is forwarded to my inbox. -- Greg Hm... could you share how you do that? onlist or off pls. Ty KMail has the ability to create quite advanced filters. You configure them from Settings == Configure Filters. SNIP I hope this is clear as I wrote this very quickly. -- Greg Ty luv. Perfectly Clear. :) - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 05:35:43PM -0700, FemmeFatale wrote: I'm going to risk abolishment to M$hits camp here or excommunication from the Linux community by saying this... but what else is new? Russ I have to agree with you luvy. Most ppl love eye candy. I know I do. I use Evolution for now but I love Sylpheed too. For the avg person, HTML mail is wonderfully put together eye candy. People are visually inclined mostly. (Men moreso than women; women are more auditorially oriented). OTOH, there are still tons of ppl out there on very lowed comps with very simple email programs on those computers. For them, HTML email is a PITA just chokes their bandwidth/computers. snip You must have some artistic/creative/designer-type friends, because all of the HTML mail eye candy I get is spam. And from all the spam, most is not eye candy but really poorly designed (I know from seeing the wife's spam in Mozilla). But I do get HTML mail from some friends, and it is just plain--they don't spend hours designing a mail template, or spend any time doing anything remotely interesting with the mail. In fact, most don't have any idea they're sending HTML mail because they use Outhouse or something and they just go with the default settings. For that reason, I think HTML is a waste. I mean, if you're going to waste the bandwidth, at least spend some time designing a nice stylesheet or something! And, no tables--if you can't design columns using a stylesheet, you shouldn't be allowed to send HTML mail! But it is indeed wonderful for spam. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Saturday 08 February 2003 8:04 pm, Todd Slater wrote: *snip* You must have some artistic/creative/designer-type friends, because all of the HTML mail eye candy I get is spam. And from all the spam, most is not eye candy but really poorly designed (I know from seeing the wife's spam in Mozilla). But I do get HTML mail from some friends, and it is just plain--they don't spend hours designing a mail template, or spend any time doing anything remotely interesting with the mail. In fact, most don't have any idea they're sending HTML mail because they use Outhouse or something and they just go with the default settings. For that reason, I think HTML is a waste. I mean, if you're going to waste the bandwidth, at least spend some time designing a nice stylesheet or something! And, no tables--if you can't design columns using a stylesheet, you shouldn't be allowed to send HTML mail! You forgot something. Some people have friends that like to change their font styles, sizes, and colors (colours for you brits out there). And txt mode email doesnt allow that at all. -- Chuck Burns Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
At 09:04 PM 2/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: snip You must have some artistic/creative/designer-type friends, because all of the HTML mail eye candy I get is spam. And from all the spam, most is not eye candy but really poorly designed (I know from seeing the wife's spam in Mozilla). But I do get HTML mail from some friends, and it is just plain--they don't spend hours designing a mail template, or spend any time doing anything remotely interesting with the mail. In fact, most don't have any idea they're sending HTML mail because they use Outhouse or something and they just go with the default settings. For that reason, I think HTML is a waste. I mean, if you're going to waste the bandwidth, at least spend some time designing a nice stylesheet or something! And, no tables--if you can't design columns using a stylesheet, you shouldn't be allowed to send HTML mail! But it is indeed wonderful for spam. Todd Shrugs my sister sends me these JPG's all the time sometimes some poetry written with HTML. Spam..well... nothing I can say there. FWIW you're right ... 90% of all my HTML mail is spam. But for some ppl as I said, its nice to use it in their mail. More power to them. - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Saturday 08 February 2003 09:12 pm, Chuck Burns wrote: You forgot something. Some people have friends that like to change their font styles, sizes, and colors (colours for you brits out there). And txt mode email doesnt allow that at all. Don't forget, they top post too. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 09:04:20PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote: On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 05:35:43PM -0700, FemmeFatale wrote: I'm going to risk abolishment to M$hits camp here or excommunication from the Linux community by saying this... but what else is new? Russ I have to agree with you luvy. Most ppl love eye candy. I know I do. I use Evolution for now but I love Sylpheed too. For the avg person, HTML mail is wonderfully put together eye candy. People are visually inclined mostly. (Men moreso than women; women are more auditorially oriented). OTOH, there are still tons of ppl out there on very lowed comps with very simple email programs on those computers. For them, HTML email is a PITA just chokes their bandwidth/computers. Only one in the past year have I received email in HTML form that was not spam. -- hendrik. snip You must have some artistic/creative/designer-type friends, because all of the HTML mail eye candy I get is spam. And from all the spam, most is not eye candy but really poorly designed (I know from seeing the wife's spam in Mozilla). But I do get HTML mail from some friends, and it is just plain--they don't spend hours designing a mail template, or spend any time doing anything remotely interesting with the mail. In fact, most don't have any idea they're sending HTML mail because they use Outhouse or something and they just go with the default settings. For that reason, I think HTML is a waste. I mean, if you're going to waste the bandwidth, at least spend some time designing a nice stylesheet or something! And, no tables--if you can't design columns using a stylesheet, you shouldn't be allowed to send HTML mail! But it is indeed wonderful for spam. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HTML e-mail client
Ok i didnṫ express myself ouite clear enough i got several accounts in hotmail and the easiest way to handel them is by outlook express so that what i need. Gil On Sunday 09 February 2003 06:11, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 09:04:20PM -0500, Todd Slater wrote: On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 05:35:43PM -0700, FemmeFatale wrote: I'm going to risk abolishment to M$hits camp here or excommunication from the Linux community by saying this... but what else is new? Russ I have to agree with you luvy. Most ppl love eye candy. I know I do. I use Evolution for now but I love Sylpheed too. For the avg person, HTML mail is wonderfully put together eye candy. People are visually inclined mostly. (Men moreso than women; women are more auditorially oriented). OTOH, there are still tons of ppl out there on very lowed comps with very simple email programs on those computers. For them, HTML email is a PITA just chokes their bandwidth/computers. Only one in the past year have I received email in HTML form that was not spam. -- hendrik. snip You must have some artistic/creative/designer-type friends, because all of the HTML mail eye candy I get is spam. And from all the spam, most is not eye candy but really poorly designed (I know from seeing the wife's spam in Mozilla). But I do get HTML mail from some friends, and it is just plain--they don't spend hours designing a mail template, or spend any time doing anything remotely interesting with the mail. In fact, most don't have any idea they're sending HTML mail because they use Outhouse or something and they just go with the default settings. For that reason, I think HTML is a waste. I mean, if you're going to waste the bandwidth, at least spend some time designing a nice stylesheet or something! And, no tables--if you can't design columns using a stylesheet, you shouldn't be allowed to send HTML mail! But it is indeed wonderful for spam. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
