Re: [newbie] spam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 04 Jan 2005 08:47, Martin Hardie wrote: Hi All I have been getting a load of mail with docs attached such as: xx.pif It is prompting me to consider some spam filter like spamassassin but i have no idea where to start any suggestions? Martin http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MaiL Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2lu4kFAvMr/nNX8RAr5dAJ9qrIMomTqievjzhDgD4nB0zpXc9gCePa7R jBG/SvnKees8KfiHyE/NvvI= =1UMU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] spam
From: Martin Hardie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi All
I have been getting a load of mail with docs attached such as:
xx.pif
It is prompting me to consider some spam filter like spamassassin but i
have
no idea where to start
any suggestions?
Martin, for that kind of spam you need to consider a compound approach.
I'm happy with a simple postfix-procmail-nk-vir-SpamAssassin path.
Most want more AV protection and use ClamAV instead. I made the mistake
of learning at least some of the procmail syntax so that's easier for me
than setting Amavis and ClamAV with SpamAssassin.
Some things to remember.
1) SpamAssassin is not a filter. It is a spam scoring tool and annotating
tool. You use something following SpamAssassin to dispatch the spam to
/dev/null, a special spam folder, or a combination of those tricks.
2) ClamAV and nk-vir are at different ends of a spectrum of virus diverter
engines. I don't know ClamAV very well. But nk-vir diverts spam to a spam
storage place, on the linux machines. I check it there with the simple
command line utility, mail. It is WAY too dumb to infect me with anything
other than a social engineering virus.
3) None of the above tools works without some form of wrapper and dispatch
engine, procmail, milters, Amavis, or the like. Budget a day or so to get
it working. (It is worth it. Once it's working your life becomes ever so
much easier.)
4) All of the above feature false positives. Given that Murphy was an
optimist there will be false positives that include your job offer from
Google or something else equally critical to your future. Budget a little
time, 10-15 minutes at the outside, to scan at least the titles of the
spams and viruses to make sure nothing critical got into your dumpster.
5) With SpamAssassin there is a phenomenon called add on rule sets. There
are many publicly available rule sets. IMAO the best is at the SARE,
SpamAssassin Rules Emporium. Visit it. Install the rule sets. Watch the
spam tagging accuracy climb dramatically.
6) With SpamAssassin you MUST train the Bayes filter on YOUR mail mix.
Collect at least 200 (1000 preferred) each of spams and hams that you
have personally vetted. Feed them to SpamAssassin's salearn tool.
Bayes will kick in nicely.
7) Personal prejudices re SA: Turn off automatic Bayes training and
automatic whitelisting, at least until Bayes is well trained and you
have achieved high accuracy spam filtering. I've watched many newbies
experience munged Bayes databases and whitelists (which are miss named
anyway) due to false training via the automatic training features on
newly installed SpamAssassins. The SpamAssassin WIKI is a help. Sadly
it could all be better documented. (If you actually LIKE writing
documentation and fighting spam the SA developers would welcome you with
open arms! And if you know someone who wants to employ a perl expert
who happens to like fighting spam, Duncan, the chief SA developer, needs
some summer employment. ANYTHING that we all can do to support this team
is worthwhile.)
8) If you experience difficulties the SpamAssassin users mailing list
at Apache.org is well worth your time and effort.
{^_^} Joanne
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Re: [newbie] spam
From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tuesday 04 Jan 2005 08:47, Martin Hardie wrote:
Hi All
I have been getting a load of mail with docs attached such as:
xx.pif
It is prompting me to consider some spam filter like spamassassin but i
have no idea where to start
any suggestions?
Martin
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MaiL
Anne, once he gets there if he wants to use a splendid kludge to
allow something crappy like Outlook Express to be used as an MUA
and still enjoy easy training for new spam message formats that
slip through the filters I can help.
{^_-} It is a gnarly kludge but it works wonderfully for me.
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RE: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird
-Original Message- From: Erylon Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird On Friday 03 December 2004 05:44 am, Todd Slater wrote: | On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 04:12:39AM -0800, Tango Echo wrote: | Anyone?? Or is this rocket science? | | I've never used Spamassassin but I've heard that it can be a resource | hog. H--maybe, but I haven't had any problems with it. After a rather extensive learning period it becomes extremely efficient. | How much do you need it to do--virus filtering etc.? If you just | need a bayesian-type filter bogofilter is a good alternative. I'm pretty | sure SA requires you to have procmail set up and working; bogofilter can | work when called directly from an MUA but I prefer to use procmail with | it as well. Not true. I do not have procmail setup. I'm filtering KMail directly with a pipe through spamc. I haven't used bogofilter so I'm really neutral as to which is better. My hunch is that both are excellent. I began with SA because of the available rules and have stuck with it because it works. | | In any event, I don't think it's hard to set up SA. Have you read the | README and INSTALL files? | | Todd I haven't used Tbird, so I'm no help here. There are several places to go for SA setup, if you decide that is the filter you want to use, and hopefully, you can find something about running SA with Tbird. For rules, I would recommend that you peruse this site: http://www.rulesemporium.com/ | | -Original Message- | From: Tango Echo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:37 PM | To: newb-mdk | Subject: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird | | | How easy is to setup Spam assassin for Thunderbird? | I'm runnning 10.0 and have found that the spam | abilities in thunderbird are far from sufficient... Is | it easy enough for someone to supply the steps or can | you point me to a good doc for (a quick) setup? | | Thanks! Well, all I really need is a good spam filter that is fairly easy to setup (and of corse the directions to do so). The spam is getting to the point where it's unberable and my filter does more harm then good when it filters personal emails... I've always heard the SA was one of the best filters. And I thought Tunderbird was more popular... Surprising that nobody is using this config on the list though! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird
Anyone?? Or is this rocket science? -Original Message- From: Tango Echo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:37 PM To: newb-mdk Subject: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird How easy is to setup Spam assassin for Thunderbird? I'm runnning 10.0 and have found that the spam abilities in thunderbird are far from sufficient... Is it easy enough for someone to supply the steps or can you point me to a good doc for (a quick) setup? Thanks! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 04:12:39AM -0800, Tango Echo wrote: Anyone?? Or is this rocket science? I've never used Spamassassin but I've heard that it can be a resource hog. How much do you need it to do--virus filtering etc.? If you just need a bayesian-type filter bogofilter is a good alternative. I'm pretty sure SA requires you to have procmail set up and working; bogofilter can work when called directly from an MUA but I prefer to use procmail with it as well. In any event, I don't think it's hard to set up SA. Have you read the README and INSTALL files? Todd -Original Message- From: Tango Echo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:37 PM To: newb-mdk Subject: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird How easy is to setup Spam assassin for Thunderbird? I'm runnning 10.0 and have found that the spam abilities in thunderbird are far from sufficient... Is it easy enough for someone to supply the steps or can you point me to a good doc for (a quick) setup? Thanks! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird
On Friday 03 December 2004 05:44 am, Todd Slater wrote: | On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 04:12:39AM -0800, Tango Echo wrote: | Anyone?? Or is this rocket science? | | I've never used Spamassassin but I've heard that it can be a resource | hog. H--maybe, but I haven't had any problems with it. After a rather extensive learning period it becomes extremely efficient. | How much do you need it to do--virus filtering etc.? If you just | need a bayesian-type filter bogofilter is a good alternative. I'm pretty | sure SA requires you to have procmail set up and working; bogofilter can | work when called directly from an MUA but I prefer to use procmail with | it as well. Not true. I do not have procmail setup. I'm filtering KMail directly with a pipe through spamc. I haven't used bogofilter so I'm really neutral as to which is better. My hunch is that both are excellent. I began with SA because of the available rules and have stuck with it because it works. | | In any event, I don't think it's hard to set up SA. Have you read the | README and INSTALL files? | | Todd I haven't used Tbird, so I'm no help here. There are several places to go for SA setup, if you decide that is the filter you want to use, and hopefully, you can find something about running SA with Tbird. For rules, I would recommend that you peruse this site: http://www.rulesemporium.com/ | | -Original Message- | From: Tango Echo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:37 PM | To: newb-mdk | Subject: [newbie] Spam assassin with Thunderbird | | | How easy is to setup Spam assassin for Thunderbird? | I'm runnning 10.0 and have found that the spam | abilities in thunderbird are far from sufficient... Is | it easy enough for someone to supply the steps or can | you point me to a good doc for (a quick) setup? | | Thanks! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Tuesday 27 July 2004 22:27, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Tuesday 27 July 2004 10:32 am, Hoyt Bailey wrote: whack My spam load is very low: Ham=4105 Spam=981 about 24%. Hoyt: I wouldn't call 24% low -- my personal scream and yell threshold is about 15%, and I'm running comfortably below that at present. My ISP runs a reasonably effective spam filter (IIRC, Brightmail). Although things started to get out of hand last winter to the point where I was thinking about installing SpamAssassin, EL must have tightened their filters, because there was an abrupt drop in the amount of undetected spam that got through. It does seem to be starting to creep up again, though. One day at a time... -- cmg I was comparing my load to others who have said they run 75-85% I consider myself lucky. I just acquired enough spam to train my spamassassin 200 and the numbers I used included what had been rejected by spamassassin. I started with no spam for about 2 to 3 weeks and then it started and has been building every since presently since yesterday there are 99 rejects and some got through. I think its not bad for a start. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Sunday 25 July 2004 14:14, Erylon Hines wrote: On Saturday 24 July 2004 04:04 am, Hoyt Bailey wrote: | I need to install filters but have forgotten how they should be set | up and at the moment I cant find my notes. I have trained | spamassassin with enough email (spam ham) so they should be | useful but cant get it to function. Are you talking about filters in Kontact (Kmail), or are you talking about rules for SA? If filters, the uk site is an excellent step-by-step. For the *.cf rules, just download them and copy them to /etc/mail/spamassassin. Five of my favorites are antidrug.cf,backhair.cf, chickenpox.cf, Obfu.cf and weedsonly.cf. Be sure to run spamassassin --lint because of a typo or two in backhair. I'm attaching my /home/username/.spamassassin/user_prefs as a guide to what is working for me. Note that I am using SA 2.55, so you wouldn't want to use the am_biz section. Also, note that I filter very aggressively at 4.0 hits, but still, false positives are extremely rare. Thanks Erylon In the meantime I read the Settings drop down menu and there was a wizard there that took care of adding the proper filters and the first message input resulted in 27 spams. Good show. I was aware of the cf.rules but for now I want to monitor and check the rejects. My spam load is very low: Ham=4105 Spam=981 about 24%. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Tuesday 27 July 2004 10:32 am, Hoyt Bailey wrote: whack My spam load is very low: Ham=4105 Spam=981 about 24%. Hoyt: I wouldn't call 24% low -- my personal scream and yell threshold is about 15%, and I'm running comfortably below that at present. My ISP runs a reasonably effective spam filter (IIRC, Brightmail). Although things started to get out of hand last winter to the point where I was thinking about installing SpamAssassin, EL must have tightened their filters, because there was an abrupt drop in the amount of undetected spam that got through. It does seem to be starting to creep up again, though. One day at a time... -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Friday 23 Jul 2004 20:02, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 18:25, SME Server Admin wrote: Hiya I now use Kontact on Mandrake 10 for all email. At the moment I have a simple spam filter that I put in but I'm looking for something I can use that will handle it for me, one that can learn if that's possible? TIA Elwyn If you're really wanting to filter spam, why aren't you using your local postfix setup with procmail? stephen kuhn - proprietor Um, er, um, I dunno... What do those things do? Kontact does very well what I need for it now I have found SA. I don't want to make things tooo complicted Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Monday 26 Jul 2004 05:22, Rob Blomquist wrote: FN? FP? auto-learn 0? local.cf? I have no idea what these are. If you help me decode this, maybe I can figure out what you are asking. Rob Ahh, a man with more understanding of these things than I ;) At the moment I'm building up a collection of spammissed and then will do the next set of instructions :) Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Sunday 25 July 2004 11:22 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote: Rob, do you check your inbox and spam folder for FN's and FP's before running your script? I take it you have auto-learn 0 in your local.cf? FN? FP? auto-learn 0? local.cf? I have no idea what these are. If you help me decode this, maybe I can figure out what you are asking. Rob FN's = False Negatives, a 'spam' that has been marked as 'ham' by SA FP's = False Positives, a 'ham' that has been marked as 'spam' by SA Below is my /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf: # How many hits before a message is considered spam. required_hits 5.0 # Whether to change the subject of suspected spam rewrite_subject 1 # Text to prepend to subject if rewrite_subject is used subject_tag *SPAM* # Encapsulate spam in an attachment report_safe 0 # Use terse version of the spam report use_terse_report0 # Enable the Bayes system use_bayes 1 score BAYES_00 0 0 -6.400 -6.400 score BAYES_01 0 0 -6.600 -6.600 score BAYES_10 0 0 -6.400 -5.801 score BAYES_20 0 0 -5.801 -3.101 score BAYES_30 0 0 -1.246 -1.604 score BAYES_60 0 0 2.002 2.002 score BAYES_70 0 0 2.637 2.637 score BAYES_80 0 0 4.1 4.1 score BAYES_90 0 0 4.2 4.2 score BAYES_99 0 0 4.300 4.3 # Enable Bayes auto-learning auto_learn 0 # bayes_path /etc/mail/spamassassin bayes_path /home/chris/.spamassassin/bayes # bayes_file_mode 0777 bayes_file_mode 0666 bayes_auto_learn_threshold_nonspam 0.1 bayes_auto_learn_threshold_spam 10.0 bayes_auto_expire 1 bayes_expiry_max_db_size 25 bayes_ignore_header ReSent-Date bayes_ignore_header ReSent-From bayes_ignore_header ReSent-Message-ID bayes_ignore_header ReSent-Subject bayes_ignore_header ReSent-To bayes_ignore_header Resent-Date bayes_ignore_header Resent-From # Enable or disable network checks skip_rbl_checks 0 use_razor2 1 razor_timeout 10 use_dcc 1 dcc_add_header 1 dcc_timeout 10 dcc_body_max99 dcc_fuz1_max99 dcc_fuz2_max99 use_pyzor 1 pyzor_path /usr/bin/pyzor pyzor_add_header1 # add_header all Pyzor _PYZOR_ # Mail using languages used in these country codes will not be marked # as being possibly spam in a foreign language. ok_languagesall # Mail using locales used in these country codes will not be marked # as being possibly spam in a foreign language. ok_locales all score RCVD_IN_RFCI 0 Below is the link to the SA mailing list where you can definately get more information than I can give: list-subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Also check out www.surbl.org for the Spam URI Realtime Blocklist. There is also a mailing list for this: List-Subscribe: http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm no expert at all in this or anything, but, this is how I've running SA with Kmail and its very effective. If you need anymore info, let me know and I'll provide you with the list of rules I'm running (which are only about 19 or 20). -- Chris Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org 5:50am up 27 days, 11:13, 2 users, load average: 0.41, 0.40, 0.35 I'll defend to the death your right to say that, but I never said I'd listen to it! -- Tom Galloway with apologies to Voltaire Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
Rob, do you check your inbox and spam folder for FN's and FP's before running your script? I take it you have auto-learn 0 in your local.cf? FN? FP? auto-learn 0? local.cf? I have no idea what these are. If you help me decode this, maybe I can figure out what you are asking. Rob FN's = False Negatives, a 'spam' that has been marked as 'ham' by SA FP's = False Positives, a 'ham' that has been marked as 'spam' by SA I have KMail move all my mail that SA thinks is spam into a folder called SpamPile. I let KMail delete any message that is older than 3 days from there. If I get a FP, I put it in the box where it belongs, if I get a FN, I place it in SpamPile. I run a script I wrote called spam-learn that runs sa-learn for various folders, that I have classified as spam or ham. Below is my /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf: Never edited this one. Literally, all I do is place the FP or FN into the correct box (which rarely needs to be done) and run my_rules_du_jour once a week. I get very few spams in my inbox and about 20 a day are sent to me. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Saturday 24 July 2004 04:04 am, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
|
| I need to install filters but have forgotten how they should be set up
| and at the moment I cant find my notes. I have trained spamassassin
| with enough email (spam ham) so they should be useful but cant get it
| to function.
Are you talking about filters in Kontact (Kmail), or are you talking about
rules for SA?
If filters, the uk site is an excellent step-by-step. For the *.cf rules,
just download them and copy them to /etc/mail/spamassassin. Five of my
favorites are antidrug.cf,backhair.cf, chickenpox.cf, Obfu.cf and
weedsonly.cf. Be sure to run spamassassin --lint because of a typo or
two in backhair.
I'm attaching my /home/username/.spamassassin/user_prefs as a guide to what is
working for me. Note that I am using SA 2.55, so you wouldn't want to use
the am_biz section. Also, note that I filter very aggressively at 4.0 hits,
but still, false positives are extremely rare.
# This is the right place to customize your installation of SpamAssassin.
# See 'perldoc Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf' for details of what can be
# tweaked.
#
###
#
rewrite_subject 1
#report_header 1
#defang_mime 0
required_hits 4.0
spam_level_stars 3
subject_tag ***SPAM***
auto_whitelist_path/var/spool/spamassassin/auto-whitelist
auto_whitelist_file_mode 0666
score FROM_AND_TO_SAME_1 3
score MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE 0
score IN_REP_TO -1
score EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -1
score ORIGINAL_MESSAGE -1
local rules #
score HTML_10_202.0
score HTML_20_302.2
end local.cf
more local rules
describe MY_DOMAIN_NUMBERS_ONLYDomain names has numbers only
score MY_DOMAIN_NUMBERS_ONLY 2.0
# Domain name starts with number(s)
uri MY_DOMAIN_STARTS_NUMS
/[.\/@]+\d+[a-zA-Z\-]+[a-zA-Z0-9\-]*\.(com|net|biz|info)/i
describe MY_DOMAIN_STARTS_NUMS Domain name starts with numbers
score MY_DOMAIN_STARTS_NUMS1.0
# Domain name ends with number(s)
uri MY_DOMAIN_ENDS_NUMS
/[.\/@]+[a-zA-Z]+[a-zA-Z0-9\-]*\d+\.(com|net|biz|info)/i
describe MY_DOMAIN_ENDS_NUMS Domain name ends with numbers
score MY_DOMAIN_ENDS_NUMS 1.0
# Single letter hosts, like http://d.spammers.com - in my corpus
# 108 SPAM and 0 ham
uri MY_SINGLE_LETTER_HOST /(http:\/\/|@)\w{1}\./
describe MY_SINGLE_LETTER_HOST Host name single letter only
score MY_SINGLE_LETTER_HOST 2.0
#Note: this AM_BIZ_SITE rule has been superceded by a distribution rule,
#BIZ_TLD, as of SA version 2.60; Anyone running 2.6x or newer should avoid
#AM_BIZ_SITE unless you want to double the hits.
uri AM_BIZ_SITE /S*\.biz/i
describe AM_BIZ_SITE Body has link to a *.biz site
scoreAM_BIZ_SITE 4.0
end more local rules
use_bayes 1
score BAYES_00 0 0 -6.400 -6.400
score BAYES_01 0 0 -6.600 -6.600
score BAYES_10 0 0 -6.400 -5.801
score BAYES_20 0 0 -5.801 -3.101
score BAYES_30 0 0 -1.246 -1.604
#score BAYES_60 0 0 2.002 2.002
score BAYES_60 0 0 2.5005 2.5005
#score BAYES_70 0 0 2.637 2.637
score Bayes_70 0 0 3.003 3.003
score BAYES_80 0 0 4.1 4.1
score BAYES_90 0 0 4.2 4.2
score BAYES_99 0 0 4.300 4.3
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Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Sunday 25 July 2004 6:26 pm, SME Server Admin wrote: Well. I've installed Spam Assassin via the instructions, however since setting it up my inbound spam has dropped considerably :( Drat. No, really, I wanted to sort out the rules... Anyway, it's monday tomorrow and everything is busy in the week. Spamming me is a 9-5 Job? Unlikely but... I filter all my mail with SA through KMail. Which I guess is what you do too, as Kontact just brings up KMail. As you have probably done, pipe all your mail through SA with a filter setup like for all mail less than 250,000 bytes pipe through spamc. Then filter all mail that has X-Spam-Status=yes to your spam box, mine is SpamPile Now, I have a little script that runs spam-learn on my inbox, SpamPile and a few others daily. Mine runs from KAlarm. Now, get and setup my_rules_du_Jour and rules_du_jour. You can get it from the Exit0 SA Wiki Page at http://www.exit0.us/index.php/MyRulesDuJour. Follow the directions there to use up my_rules_du_jour and rules_du_jour. Then all I do is Friday after I get home from work I run a little script manually that updates my_rules_du_jour, and my machine by urpmi. The rules_du_jour part takes about 2 minutes to run. So it takes about 8 minutes a month to control spam with SA. Rob a very happy SA user. -- Linux Desktop user since 2000, Home networker since shortly after. Linux User #183693 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Sunday 25 July 2004 09:54 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote: Now, I have a little script that runs spam-learn on my inbox, SpamPile and a few others daily. Mine runs from KAlarm. Now, get and setup my_rules_du_Jour and rules_du_jour. You can get it from the Exit0 SA Wiki Page at http://www.exit0.us/index.php/MyRulesDuJour. Follow the directions there to use up my_rules_du_jour and rules_du_jour. Then all I do is Friday after I get home from work I run a little script manually that updates my_rules_du_jour, and my machine by urpmi. The rules_du_jour part takes about 2 minutes to run. Rob, do you check your inbox and spam folder for FN's and FP's before running your script? I take it you have auto-learn 0 in your local.cf? -- Chris Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org 10:01pm up 27 days, 3:24, 2 users, load average: 0.26, 0.32, 0.37 No evil can happen to a good man. -- Plato Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Sunday 25 July 2004 8:05 pm, Chris wrote: On Sunday 25 July 2004 09:54 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote: Now, I have a little script that runs spam-learn on my inbox, SpamPile and a few others daily. Mine runs from KAlarm. Now, get and setup my_rules_du_Jour and rules_du_jour. You can get it from the Exit0 SA Wiki Page at http://www.exit0.us/index.php/MyRulesDuJour. Follow the directions there to use up my_rules_du_jour and rules_du_jour. Then all I do is Friday after I get home from work I run a little script manually that updates my_rules_du_jour, and my machine by urpmi. The rules_du_jour part takes about 2 minutes to run. Rob, do you check your inbox and spam folder for FN's and FP's before running your script? I take it you have auto-learn 0 in your local.cf? FN? FP? auto-learn 0? local.cf? I have no idea what these are. If you help me decode this, maybe I can figure out what you are asking. Rob -- Linux Desktop user since 2000, Home networker since shortly after. Linux User #183693 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Saturday 24 July 2004 00:42, Erylon Hines wrote: On Friday 23 July 2004 10:04 am, Hoyt Bailey wrote: | On Friday 23 July 2004 10:13, Erylon Hines wrote: | On Friday 23 July 2004 01:25 am, SME Server Admin wrote: snip http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/mailserver_config.html I'm not doing my SA that way, but am config'd this way: http://www.softwaredesign.co.uk/Information.SpamFilters.html Be sure to download rulesets (*.cf files) from the rules emporium and place them in /etc/mail/spamassassin These sets are extremely effective! e. I need to install filters but have forgotten how they should be set up and at the moment I cant find my notes. I have trained spamassassin with enough email (spam ham) so they should be useful but cant get it to function. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Friday 23 July 2004 01:25 am, SME Server Admin wrote: | Hiya | | I now use Kontact on Mandrake 10 for all email. | | At the moment I have a simple spam filter that I put in but I'm looking for | something I can use that will handle it for me, one that can learn if | that's possible? | | TIA | | Elwyn There are several, but quite a few of us use SpamAssassin. SA takes a bit of teaching, but once you parse a couple of thousand messages it gets extremely good at filtering out the junk. It is on your disks, and probably already installed. To begin your adventure go here: http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/modules.php?name=Sectionsop=viewarticleartid=15 http://www.ee.columbia.edu/systems/spam.html http://www.softwaredesign.co.uk/Information.SpamFilters.html http://www.rulesemporium.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Friday 23 Jul 2004 16:13, Erylon Hines wrote: On Friday 23 July 2004 01:25 am, SME Server Admin wrote: | Hiya | | I now use Kontact on Mandrake 10 for all email. | | At the moment I have a simple spam filter that I put in but I'm looking | for something I can use that will handle it for me, one that can learn if | that's possible? | | TIA | | Elwyn There are several, but quite a few of us use SpamAssassin. SA takes a bit of teaching, but once you parse a couple of thousand messages it gets extremely good at filtering out the junk. It is on your disks, and probably already installed. To begin your adventure go here: http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/modules.php?name=Sectionsop=viewarticle; artid=15 http://www.ee.columbia.edu/systems/spam.html http://www.softwaredesign.co.uk/Information.SpamFilters.html http://www.rulesemporium.com/ Thanks, gone for a look :) I may be gone some time. Cheers Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Friday 23 July 2004 10:13, Erylon Hines wrote: On Friday 23 July 2004 01:25 am, SME Server Admin wrote: | Hiya | | I now use Kontact on Mandrake 10 for all email. | | At the moment I have a simple spam filter that I put in but I'm | looking for something I can use that will handle it for me, one | that can learn if that's possible? | | TIA | | Elwyn There are several, but quite a few of us use SpamAssassin. SA takes a bit of teaching, but once you parse a couple of thousand messages it gets extremely good at filtering out the junk. It is on your disks, and probably already installed. To begin your adventure go here: http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/modules.php?name=Sectionsop=viewar ticleartid=15 http://www.ee.columbia.edu/systems/spam.html snip These two refrences do not resolve on the server. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Friday 23 Jul 2004 18:04, Hoyt Bailey wrote: http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/modules.php?name=Sectionsop=viewar ticleartid=15 http://www.ee.columbia.edu/systems/spam.html snip These two refrences do not resolve on the server. The Columbia Link has gone, but the other is there hidden away... I think I've bookmarked it here somewhere.. Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 18:25, SME Server Admin wrote: Hiya I now use Kontact on Mandrake 10 for all email. At the moment I have a simple spam filter that I put in but I'm looking for something I can use that will handle it for me, one that can learn if that's possible? TIA Elwyn If you're really wanting to filter spam, why aren't you using your local postfix setup with procmail? stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. I have examined Bogota, he said, and the case is clearer to me. I think very probably he might be cured. That is what I have always hoped, said old Yacob. His brain is affected, said the blind doctor. The elders murmured assent. Now, what affects it? Ah! said old Yacob. This, said the doctor, answering his own question. Those queer things that are called the eyes, and which exist to make an agreeable soft depression in the face, are diseased, in the case of Bogota, in such a way as to affect his brain. They are greatly distended, he has eyelashes, and his eyelids move, and cosequently his brain is in a state of constant irritation and distraction. Yes? said old Yacob. Yes? And I think I may say with reasonable certainty that, in order to cure him completely, all that we need do is a simple and easy surgical operation -- namely, to remove those irritant bodies. And then he will be sane? Then he will be perfectly sane, and a quite admirable citizen. Thank heaven for science! said old Yacob. -- H.G. Wells, The Country of the Blind Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Friday 23 July 2004 10:04 am, Hoyt Bailey wrote: | On Friday 23 July 2004 10:13, Erylon Hines wrote: | On Friday 23 July 2004 01:25 am, SME Server Admin wrote: | | Hiya | | | | I now use Kontact on Mandrake 10 for all email. | | | | At the moment I have a simple spam filter that I put in but I'm | | looking for something I can use that will handle it for me, one | | that can learn if that's possible? | | | | TIA | | | | Elwyn | | There are several, but quite a few of us use SpamAssassin. SA takes | a bit of teaching, but once you parse a couple of thousand messages | it gets extremely good at filtering out the junk. It is on your | disks, and probably already installed. To begin your adventure go | here: | | http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/modules.php?name=Sectionsop=viewar | ticleartid=15 | | http://www.ee.columbia.edu/systems/spam.html | | snip | These two refrences do not resolve on the server. My apologies. Looks like my bookmarks need an update 8(. The Columbia U is a dead link now, but Derek's site is still a go and is excellent for Postfix + Spamassassin configuration, should you decide to go that route. http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/mailserver_config.html I'm not doing my SA that way, but am config'd this way: http://www.softwaredesign.co.uk/Information.SpamFilters.html Be sure to download rulesets (*.cf files) from the rules emporium and place them in /etc/mail/spamassassin These sets are extremely effective! e. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Assassin / M8.2
John I assume you got this off cooker? I do not know what is wrong with your rebuild, but spamassassin-2.31-1mdk.rpm is on Mandrake Club for 8.2 and it installs perfectly. If you are not a club member let me know and I will send you the rpm as an attachment. BTW: In order for spamassassin to perform the full suite of tests you should also install perl-Net-DNS RPM and also edit the file ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs file to add these lines (the file will not appear until you run spamassassin for the first time) score RCVD_IN_RBL 10 score RCVD_IN_RSS 1 score RCVD_IN_DUL 1 score RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET 4 This will cause spamassassin to perform those tests which require a paid subscription for commercial use, but which are free for personal use. The documentation on the spamassasssin site tells you how to configure procmail or kmail to interface into it. derek On Monday 09 Sep 2002 10:59 am, John Richard Smith wrote: I downloaded spamassassin-2.31-2mdk.src.rpm and attempted to rebuild:- # cd /pk # rpm --rebuild spamassassin-2.31-2mdk.src.rpm Installing spamassassin-2.31-2mdk.src.rpm Executing(%prep): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6485 big snip Executing(%install): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.62869 + umask 022 + cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD + cd Mail-SpamAssassin-2.31 + '[' /var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root '!=' / ']' + rm -rf /var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root + make prefix=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root/usr exec_prefix=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root/usr bindir=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root /usr/bin sbindir=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root/usr/sbin sysconfdir=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root/etc datadir=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root /usr/share includedir=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root/usr/include libdir=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root/usr/lib libexecdir=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root /usr/lib localstatedir=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root/var/lib sharedstatedir=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root/usr/com mandir=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root /usr/share/man infodir=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root/usr/share/info install PREFIX=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root//usr INSTALLMAN1DIR=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root/ /usr/share/man/man1 INSTALLMAN3DIR=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root//usr/share/man/man3 LOCAL_RULES_DIR=/var/tmp/spamassassin-2.31-root/etc/mail/spamassassin make: *** No rule to make target `pure_vendor_install', needed by `pure_install'. Stop. error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.62869 (%install) RPM build errors: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.62869 (%install) Needless to say nothing in /usr/src/rpm/rpms/i586 So what is it actually saying, and how do I proceed from here ? John John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam (new newsgroup project to kill spam at grc)
SystemAdmin ABC Mini Storage LLC wrote: Yes indeed. The best I've come so far is reporting the spam to spamcop.net (including the one I recently received from Microsoft, heh heh). Sir Robin -- Try the newsgroups at www.grc.com gr.spam and grc.spam.news a newsgroup project is starting up on getting rid of spam in your e-mail box. Pros and Cons of how to do it. Be a newsgroup beta tester. Become a spammer's worst nightmare! From the same newsgroups that bought bind-pe (a DNS server) to local computer systems. Many thanks for that suggestion which I will folow up. I have tried installing postfix , procmail and spamassassin, on mu M8.2 OS and so far have hit a wall of dependency problems.So for the moment I'm fiddling with mozilla's filters. one particular problem, I'm having is many of these quite legitimate blue movie websites which do provide a cancel facility and do operate it, but rather cunningly they merely move your email address to another of their own email addresses, so the darn thing evades cancellation.I think this may be an area for ledgislation, only all my basic instincts tell me that once you ask government to start enacting ledgislation to prohibit things they also use it to pass laws that afterwards benifit to silence oposition rather than protect the inocent.In other words I don't trust governments. So if there are quite legitimate software options to combat this kind of antisocial behavious I'm for that avenue of approach. Maybe some of you have some ideas. This morning I had [EMAIL PROTECTED], I,ve enacted the cancellation proceedure, ok fair enough, but I just know it will be back on another email address tomorrow. So far none of this antisocial mail has been totally beyond the ken. and I'm no prig. I like a shapely lady like the next, and I'm very reluctant to let this kind of thing be the excuse to start censorship as a regular part of electronic daily life, so it seems to me that probably the only answer is a personal one, to keep a vigil, and to try to find some way to at least compartmentalise it.I guess we are just going to have to live with it. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam
Miark wrote: John, Seems to me I would like to be able to set something up in mozilla to send spam to, which either redirects it back to them, or zaps it. Can't send it back cuz you never know where it really came from. But you can set up a filter to set aside spam in a suspect folder. (You could automatically delete it, but it's nice to check what's actually getting snagged by setting it aside first.) Have the filter look for things like xxx, $$, dear friend, viagra, and the like. Then every couple days, look in the suspect folder, and if everything looks like trash, nuke 'em all in one swoop. Miark Procmail works best for just such an occassion. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Control (was: Living in the johns world)
* shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] [21 Mar 02 17:10]: also they should not include any known address of john the mandrake list spammer. A practical question (I hope!) on spam control: Can procmail handle more than one address in a recipe? e.g. :0 * ^From.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ^From.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null or is it one instruction per recipe? Are there easier ways for users to initiate spam control from mailing lists? I checked googled and found much in German, but not much in English. Thanks! Kipling Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Control (was: Living in the johns world)
Have a look at SpamAssassin. I installed it a few weeks ago and with a little tweaking it's getting nearly 100% of the spam that comes through my machine Ed ~~ At 06:45 PM Thursday, 3/21/2002, you wrote -= * shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] [21 Mar 02 17:10]: also they should not include any known address of john the mandrake list spammer. A practical question (I hope!) on spam control: Can procmail handle more than one address in a recipe? e.g. :0 * ^From.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ^From.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null or is it one instruction per recipe? Are there easier ways for users to initiate spam control from mailing lists? I checked googled and found much in German, but not much in English. Thanks! Kipling Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Ed Kasky Los Angeles, CA . . . . . . . . Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts. -Albert Einstein Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam
On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:48:34 -0500 (EST) adam.e.willcox.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: I heard a second hand story from someone who had setup a defined list of people who he could receive e-mail from in his evolution client. Anyone whom wasn't on his list would receive an automated warning saying if they e-mail him again they must pay a 5,000 dollar fine. Eventually it caught someone; he took them to court and won just an idea. Adam On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Alan Dunford wrote: I believe that fella ought to be arrested for abuse of an already over burdened court system and then publically flogged for being such a prick. sorry for the strong language. just my two cents, but I hate abuse and find blatent intolerance intolerable. ... is that a double negitive? -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 8:05am up 10 days, 23:54, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.11, 0.11 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam
I heard a second hand story from someone who had setup a defined list of people who he could receive e-mail from in his evolution client. Anyone whom wasn't on his list would receive an automated warning saying if they e-mail him again they must pay a 5,000 dollar fine. Eventually it caught someone; he took them to court and won just an idea. Adam On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Alan Dunford wrote: Has anyone had experience with spam filters - I am thinking of those routines which will identify spammed messages and send relevant data to the growing spam filter servers? I have had a cursory look at spamassassin and mailscanner but have not got either running successfully. Having had this new account for two weeks only, I am now starting to receive spam and would like to do my bit to reduce this annoying menace. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards -- Alan Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Coming to you from a Microsoft - free zone Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:47:10 + Alan Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: Has anyone had experience with spam filters - I am thinking of those routines which will identify spammed messages and send relevant data to the growing spam filter servers? I have had a cursory look at spamassassin and mailscanner but have not got either running successfully. Having had this new account for two weeks only, I am now starting to receive spam and would like to do my bit to reduce this annoying menace. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards -- Ala Alan, I've found _the_ two most effective means of de-spamming your mail on a Linux machine is procmail and the header_check feature in Postfix/Sendmail. when filtering from the MTA it's quite powerful. Whether filtering on the client side with procmail, or filtering on the server side with your local MTA, (that would be the mailserver right there on your Linux machine) both methods will require you to do some research and reading before you can actually implement the filtering scheme. ONce you've gotten this underway though killing spam becomes somewhat of a onesided game. you 100 spammers 0 know what I mean? -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 11:05pm up 9 days, 14:54, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.09, 0.08 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam
No, nothing like that, just an HTML attachment which when opened produced a form inviting me to subscribe to some sort of credit checking/e commerce service, I have just noticed that there is an e mail on this list from Tomek Nowinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the source of my mysterious e mail contains From: Mel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Your Competition Will #6C65 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] of course the poczta may be coincidental. On Friday 07 December 2001 19:56 pm, you wrote: that might be stuff generated from the hard drive of the user whos computer the worm was generated last by. it sometimes takes a file name and a file as well as sending itself. was there a filename with a .pif, .exe. .bat, .com extension mentioned ? On Friday 07 December 2001 09:18, you wrote: No, not a worm some sort of invitation to subscribe to an internet trading service - I send details, they set it up for free... yeah, right. On Friday 07 December 2001 10:53 am, you wrote: Spam? maybe, worm? more than likely. i got to you because Uncle Bill wants to drag the internet to his knees so he can sell more stuff. On Friday 07 December 2001 05:20, you wrote: I received an e mail, obviously spam, which came to the e mail address which I use exclusively for this list, it appears that addresses may have been harvested (has any one alse had it ?) Strangely though, it does not appear to be addressed to me, any ideas how it got to me, the message source is pasted below. Received: from poczta.tvfamilijna.pl ([212.45.227.198]) by neodymium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16CEDi-00025E-00; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 06:10:50 + Received: from host (10-089.024.popsite.net [66.19.6.89]) by poczta.tvfamilijna.pl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id fB7663ND021747; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 07:06:05 +0100 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Your Competition Will #6C65 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE VÐßD.1712.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:25:02 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary==_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Status: R X-Status: N This is a MIME Message --=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 --=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * This is an HTML Message ! * (I have not included the HTML attachment). -- Poogle Registered Linux user 182657 (added to sig for the benefit of those irritated by it) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam
I wonder what country has .PL? I always think .pl is a perl script? On Saturday 08 December 2001 05:46, you wrote: poczta.tvfamilijna.pl Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam ok .pl is poland
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Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
Take a look at Postini http://www.google.com/search?q=Postinichk=on Alex Matt Greer wrote: From: Matt Koppelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a new sysadmin for my ISP.. we have a horrible spam problem here, and no one has done anything in the past to resolve it. I have decent linux experience, but i wouldnt exactly call myself a pro.. :) i have been looking into blackmail, but it seems very difficult to install. I was wondering if anyone out there knew of an AWESOME spam filter, that can be used system-wide (for ISP use) and is EASY to install and administer.. can anyone please help me?!?!? :) Give procmail a try. I'm about to set it up for my network as well. I don't actually have it running yet, but I've seen nothing but positive things about it. http://www.procmail.org/ Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam
.pl is poland, I believe. Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida At 11:17 AM 12/08/2001 -0500, you wrote: I wonder what country has .PL? I always think .pl is a perl script? On Saturday 08 December 2001 05:46, you wrote: poczta.tvfamilijna.pl Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam
Spam? maybe, worm? more than likely. i got to you because Uncle Bill wants to drag the internet to his knees so he can sell more stuff. On Friday 07 December 2001 05:20, you wrote: I received an e mail, obviously spam, which came to the e mail address which I use exclusively for this list, it appears that addresses may have been harvested (has any one alse had it ?) Strangely though, it does not appear to be addressed to me, any ideas how it got to me, the message source is pasted below. Received: from poczta.tvfamilijna.pl ([212.45.227.198]) by neodymium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16CEDi-00025E-00; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 06:10:50 + Received: from host (10-089.024.popsite.net [66.19.6.89]) by poczta.tvfamilijna.pl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id fB7663ND021747; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 07:06:05 +0100 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Your Competition Will #6C65 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE VÐßD.1712.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:25:02 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary==_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Status: R X-Status: N This is a MIME Message --=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 --=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * This is an HTML Message ! * (I have not included the HTML attachment). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam
On Friday 07 December 2001 10:20, you wrote: About half my daily spam is e-mail that does not have my e-mail address. I got around this by setting up a filter that puts to trash anything that does not contain any of my actuall e-mail adresses. I received an e mail, obviously spam, which came to the e mail address which I use exclusively for this list, it appears that addresses may have been harvested (has any one alse had it ?) Strangely though, it does not appear to be addressed to me, any ideas how it got to me, the message source is pasted below. Received: from poczta.tvfamilijna.pl ([212.45.227.198]) by neodymium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16CEDi-00025E-00; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 06:10:50 + Received: from host (10-089.024.popsite.net [66.19.6.89]) by poczta.tvfamilijna.pl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id fB7663ND021747; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 07:06:05 +0100 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Your Competition Will #6C65 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE VÐßD.1712.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:25:02 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary==_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Status: R X-Status: N This is a MIME Message --=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 --=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * This is an HTML Message ! * (I have not included the HTML attachment). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam
No, not a worm some sort of invitation to subscribe to an internet trading service - I send details, they set it up for free... yeah, right. On Friday 07 December 2001 10:53 am, you wrote: Spam? maybe, worm? more than likely. i got to you because Uncle Bill wants to drag the internet to his knees so he can sell more stuff. On Friday 07 December 2001 05:20, you wrote: I received an e mail, obviously spam, which came to the e mail address which I use exclusively for this list, it appears that addresses may have been harvested (has any one alse had it ?) Strangely though, it does not appear to be addressed to me, any ideas how it got to me, the message source is pasted below. Received: from poczta.tvfamilijna.pl ([212.45.227.198]) by neodymium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16CEDi-00025E-00; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 06:10:50 + Received: from host (10-089.024.popsite.net [66.19.6.89]) by poczta.tvfamilijna.pl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id fB7663ND021747; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 07:06:05 +0100 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Mel Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Your Competition Will #6C65 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE VÐßD.1712.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:25:02 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary==_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Status: R X-Status: N This is a MIME Message --=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 --=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * This is an HTML Message ! * (I have not included the HTML attachment). -- Poogle Registered Linux user 182657 (added to sig for the benefit of those irritated by it) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:20:33 -0800 (PST) Paul Schwebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt, have you looked into setting up some regex's in the SMTP's configuration file. This is one good way to start taking a bite out of all that crap they're sending at your mailservers. snip Could you explain what regex's in the SMTP'S configuration file is? Thanks, -Paul He can be taught! Schwebel Paul, regex is a geek-speak for regular expression. what it referes to is a search function used in Unix/PERL/C/C++ and other high level languages, both interpreted and compiled to find alpha-numeric string patterns. since i'm most familiar with the way PERL does it i'll show you an example for PERL. regular expression == s/pattern/replace s = substitute /pattern/ = what you're looking for /replace/ = what you want to replace with once you've found the pattern s/a-z/A-Z/ ( this regex would change everything in lower case to uppercase. Pattern-matching Operators -- m/pattern/gimosx m = matching /pattern/ = the pattern being searched for to be matched /gimsox = the operators to be used to dictate the terms of the matching search modifire | meaning -+-- g| Match globaly i.e., find all occurences i| Do case sensitive patter matching m| Treat string as multiple line o| Only compile pattern once s| treat string as single line x| Use extended regular expressions this is how it is explained in O'Reilly PERL in a Nutshell Desktop Quick Reference. With bash scripting and Unix needs it's much the same but does vary according to application. it would be best to get to know exactly the needs of the application, but this is the basic idea of what regex is. -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Registered Linux User # 186492 We love and desire the things most that will kill us! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Regular Expressions. WAS: Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
On Wednesday 05 December 2001 11:19 am, you wrote: Thanks, Mark. I am familiar with regular expressions from years ago when I ran an SCO 4.2-based BBS (remember BBSes?). I'm getting back into *nix with Linux, and I'm amazed at the number of things I've forgotten. Concise, clear explanations like yours are very helpful. -Paul He can be taught! Schwebel --- Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:20:33 -0800 (PST) Paul Schwebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Could you explain what regex's in the SMTP'S configuration file is? Thanks, -Paul He can be taught! Schwebel Paul, regex is a geek-speak for regular expression. what it referes to is a search function used in Unix/PERL/C/C++ and other high level languages, both interpreted and compiled to find alpha-numeric string patterns. since i'm snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com Of course his explanation was concise and clear! He doesn't work for Microshaft! Nice for a change, eh? Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Regular Expressions. WAS: Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
Thanks, Mark. I am familiar with regular expressions from years ago when I ran an SCO 4.2-based BBS (remember BBSes?). I'm getting back into *nix with Linux, and I'm amazed at the number of things I've forgotten. Concise, clear explanations like yours are very helpful. -Paul He can be taught! Schwebel --- Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:20:33 -0800 (PST) Paul Schwebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Could you explain what regex's in the SMTP'S configuration file is? Thanks, -Paul He can be taught! Schwebel Paul, regex is a geek-speak for regular expression. what it referes to is a search function used in Unix/PERL/C/C++ and other high level languages, both interpreted and compiled to find alpha-numeric string patterns. since i'm snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
You can try junkbusters this link is from their FAQ http://www.junkbusters.com/ht/en/ijbfaq.html#isps hope this helps John Pisini http://www.cafecomputer.com Registered Linux User #100542 No. Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. -- Yoda From: Matt Koppelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Newbie@Linux-Mandrake. Com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] SPAM FILTER Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:12:16 -0500 I am a new sysadmin for my ISP.. we have a horrible spam problem here, and no one has done anything in the past to resolve it. I have decent linux experience, but i wouldnt exactly call myself a pro.. :) i have been looking into blackmail, but it seems very difficult to install. I was wondering if anyone out there knew of an AWESOME spam filter, that can be used system-wide (for ISP use) and is EASY to install and administer.. can anyone please help me?!?!? :) THANKS! - Matt _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
Spam Assassin is worth looking at http://spamassassin.sourceforge.net
It performs textual analysis of mails and scores them. It also looks up known
spammers and includes the Vipul's Razor collective spam database that was
featured on Slashdot a couple of days ago.
The Perl version is probably a bit slow for ISP use, but they have now
introduced a daemon version with ISP's in mind.
Here is an example of the header it adds to any Spam mail it finds
SPAM: Start SpamAssassin results --
SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered
SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future, using
SPAM: the built-in mail filtering support in your mail reader.
SPAM:
SPAM: Content analysis details: (16 hits, 5 required)
SPAM: Hit! (3 points)Faked To Undisclosed-Recipients
SPAM: Hit! (0.1 points) Subject has an exclamation mark
SPAM: Hit! (1 point) Subject has lots of exclamation marks
SPAM: Hit! (2.7 points) BODY: /SCRIPT.*LANGUAGE.*JavaScript/i
SPAM: Hit! (0.7 points) BODY:
/on(?:Blur|Error|KeyDown|KeyUp|Load|MouseOver|Resize|Unload)/i
SPAM: Hit! (2.5 points) /\n\n.{0,160}!-- saved from urlc
SPAM: Hit! (2 points)/click here.{0,100}\/a/is
SPAM: Hit! (2 points)Received via a relay in relays.ordb.org
SPAM:[RBL check: found relay
135.67.13.61.relays.ordb.org.]
SPAM: Hit! (2 points)Received via a relay in relays.osirusoft.com
SPAM:[RBL check: found relay
15.35.134.209.relays.osirusoft.com., type: 127.0.0.4]
SPAM:
SPAM: End of SpamAssassin results -
HTH
Derek
On Tuesday 04 December 2001 16:12, you wrote:
I am a new sysadmin for my ISP.. we have a horrible spam problem here, and
no one has done anything in the past to resolve it. I have decent linux
experience, but i wouldnt exactly call myself a pro.. :) i have been
looking into blackmail, but it seems very difficult to install. I was
wondering if anyone out there knew of an AWESOME spam filter, that can be
used system-wide (for ISP use) and is EASY to install and administer.. can
anyone please help me?!?!? :)
THANKS!
- Matt
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Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
From: Matt Koppelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a new sysadmin for my ISP.. we have a horrible spam problem here, and no one has done anything in the past to resolve it. I have decent linux experience, but i wouldnt exactly call myself a pro.. :) i have been looking into blackmail, but it seems very difficult to install. I was wondering if anyone out there knew of an AWESOME spam filter, that can be used system-wide (for ISP use) and is EASY to install and administer.. can anyone please help me?!?!? :) Give procmail a try. I'm about to set it up for my network as well. I don't actually have it running yet, but I've seen nothing but positive things about it. http://www.procmail.org/ Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
i dunno.. i dont have THAT much experience.. i've heard procmail is a nightmare to install, i'm looking for something quick, and easy.. - Original Message - From: Matt Greer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER From: Matt Koppelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a new sysadmin for my ISP.. we have a horrible spam problem here, and no one has done anything in the past to resolve it. I have decent linux experience, but i wouldnt exactly call myself a pro.. :) i have been looking into blackmail, but it seems very difficult to install. I was wondering if anyone out there knew of an AWESOME spam filter, that can be used system-wide (for ISP use) and is EASY to install and administer.. can anyone please help me?!?!? :) Give procmail a try. I'm about to set it up for my network as well. I don't actually have it running yet, but I've seen nothing but positive things about it. http://www.procmail.org/ Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
As far as mail sorting, I've found getmail works well and is easier to set up than procmail. You can then feed mail from getmail into a spam filtering program, but I think you'd have to do that with procmail as well. -Paul Well, how did I get here? Schwebel --- Matt Koppelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dunno.. i dont have THAT much experience.. i've heard procmail is a nightmare to install, i'm looking for something quick, and easy.. - Original Message - From: Matt Greer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER From: Matt Koppelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a new sysadmin for my ISP.. we have a horrible spam problem here, and no one has done anything in the past to resolve it. I have decent linux experience, but i wouldnt exactly call myself a pro.. :) i have been looking into blackmail, but it seems very difficult to install. I was wondering if anyone out there knew of an AWESOME spam filter, that can be used system-wide (for ISP use) and is EASY to install and administer.. can anyone please help me?!?!? :) Give procmail a try. I'm about to set it up for my network as well. I don't actually have it running yet, but I've seen nothing but positive things about it. http://www.procmail.org/ Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
--- Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt, have you looked into setting up some regex's in the SMTP's configuration file. This is one good way to start taking a bite out of all that crap they're sending at your mailservers. snip Could you explain what regex's in the SMTP'S configuration file is? Thanks, -Paul He can be taught! Schwebel __ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
What I do from my e mail server is to make the file /etc/mail/access (used by sendmail) and in the file called access, you can bounce mail that you don't want, for example my /etc/mail/access file reads liek the one below, however please note that some of the addresses are obscured to protect people, not all on my list are poopybottoms, some are just annoying me temporarily, but from the addresses, ip numbers, or hostnames you can get a jist of the format, but then again, if not, please mail me back and ask me for help like from who do you want to bounce mail back to and stuff. The lines that say ERROR: in them will bounce mail back I think, then you can put in the standard error message or you can think up one of your own razzes hehehe. # Check the /usr/share/doc/sendmail-8.11.6/README.cf file for a description # of the format of this file. (search for access_db in that file) # The /usr/share/doc/sendmail-8.11.6/README.cf is part of the sendmail-doc # package. # # by default we allow relaying from localhost... localhost.localdomain RELAY localhost RELAY 127.0.0.1 RELAY [EMAIL PROTECTED] RELAY [EMAIL PROTECTED]RELAY xxx@RELAY kittypuss.org OK [EMAIL PROTECTED]ERROR:550 We don't accept mail from stupid XX like you mail-out.namezero.com ERROR:550 I hate namezero [EMAIL PROTECTED] ERROR:550 Sorry, I don't like auto-replyers pickabooger.cec.eu.int ERROR:550 Sorry, I don't like auto-replyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] ERROR:550 shove your stupid virus [EMAIL PROTECTED] ERROR:550 Please stop spamming me mm-outgoing-104.amazon.com ERROR:550 Please stop spamming me 202.123.31.186 ERROR:550 Spam has been rejected. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ERROR:550 Spam has been rejected. 61.135.4.203ERROR:550 you success-secrets.org ERROR:550 you and your xxx spam too [EMAIL PROTECTED] ERROR:550 Your mail is not welcome here On Tuesday 04 December 2001 10:59 am, you wrote: i dunno.. i dont have THAT much experience.. i've heard procmail is a nightmare to install, i'm looking for something quick, and easy.. - Original Message - From: Matt Greer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER From: Matt Koppelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a new sysadmin for my ISP.. we have a horrible spam problem here, and no one has done anything in the past to resolve it. I have decent linux experience, but i wouldnt exactly call myself a pro.. :) i have been looking into blackmail, but it seems very difficult to install. I was wondering if anyone out there knew of an AWESOME spam filter, that can be used system-wide (for ISP use) and is EASY to install and administer.. can anyone please help me?!?!? :) Give procmail a try. I'm about to set it up for my network as well. I don't actually have it running yet, but I've seen nothing but positive things about it. http://www.procmail.org/ Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
Matt Koppelman wrote: I am a new sysadmin for my ISP.. we have a horrible spam problem here, greetings matt, congrats on your new position. everyone has a horrible time with spam. so do not feel alone. no one has done anything in the past to resolve it. because it is such a problem, is most likely why none prior to you have tried to relieve it. you have had several fine suggestions thru this list and may well get more. just which one you settle with is not going to be an easy decision to make. once you do, your biggest problem is still ahead of you. what are you going to decide is spam and what is desired my isp customers? you will need to set up some sort of 'spam abuse' address for customers to send complaints to. and you are going to find some of those complaints are ging to be that customers are no longer receiving their spam. what is spam to goose, is reading pleasure for gander. to me, casino ads are spam, to others it is a 1 in 1,000,000 chance for them to make money. to me, nude site ads are spam, to others it is a place to get their jollies. so, as a suggestion, before your keep anyone from become a millionare, or make someone who is over sexed become selibate, ask... also, because you have disabled your html, [i would advise getting out of targeted ole], if you would like, i would be glad to send you my list of spam filters. i imagine some others on this list might do same. but do remember, ask before you filter. else someone else may be faced with problem you are now facing. and remember, nothing worth having ever comes easy. good luck. tc,hago. g . =+= think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send text email.. text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy made in america. =+= Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Matt Koppelman wrote: I don't know anything about procmail!] But I'm using it with spamfilter (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]). And it's perfect!! I just followed the instructions and that's it!! Must likely you DO have procmail installed on your system... you're just NOT using it! It's pitty I've lost the URL (for English I meam)! If you dutch. it's::http://nl.linux.org/ There was a English version, I can't find it now!! Rik, one of the creator/maintainers speaks Dutch, English and Portuguese! Drop him a line, if you are lucky, he'll answer you back! [EMAIL PROTECTED] This spamfilter 'creates' your filter, and will keep it update! And you can contribute with spammers email!! I'll try to find it! HTH Ricardo Castanho i dunno.. i dont have THAT much experience.. i've heard procmail is a nightmare to install, i'm looking for something quick, and easy.. - Original Message - From: Matt Greer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER From: Matt Koppelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a new sysadmin for my ISP.. we have a horrible spam problem here, and no one has done anything in the past to resolve it. I have decent linux experience, but i wouldnt exactly call myself a pro.. :) i have been looking into blackmail, but it seems very difficult to install. I was wondering if anyone out there knew of an AWESOME spam filter, that can be used system-wide (for ISP use) and is EASY to install and administer.. can anyone please help me?!?!? :) Give procmail a try. I'm about to set it up for my network as well. I don't actually have it running yet, but I've seen nothing but positive things about it. http://www.procmail.org/ Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com - -- Whenever possible mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] == Linux user # 102240 = Machine # 96125 = Seti@home user == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75-6 iEYEARECAAYFAjwNkpYACgkQ9I0k95pf9XumRwCgk91c16SMSBlu3HmywaD3Wu1K mF4An2KXgh4rsvr+3f0RRbMgCbX6+bRW =0u+g -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
Matt, have you looked into setting up some regex's in the SMTP's configuration file. This is one good way to start taking a bite out of all that crap they're sending at your mailservers. That is definatelythe first place i would start to look as opposed to finding a third party app to take care of this. Another good alternative would be Procmail. That would/is my second step in a tiered filtering scheme. -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Registered Linux User # 186492 Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Matt Koppelman wrote: I am a new sysadmin for my ISP.. we have a horrible spam problem here, and no one has done anything in the past to resolve it. I have decent linux experience, but i wouldnt exactly call myself a pro.. :) i have been looking into blackmail, but it seems very difficult to install. I was wondering if anyone out there knew of an AWESOME spam filter, that can be used system-wide (for ISP use) and is EASY to install and administer.. can anyone please help me?!?!? :) THANKS! - Matt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER
Matt, Procmailis fairly simple and straightforware and just requires a bit of time to get to know it and the syntax it uses to filter mail. it's very nice once you get to know it. -- daRcmaTTeR =/\=??? |%C++ Registered Linux User # 186492 Beware of little sins. Mosquitoes drink more blood than lions. Author unknown On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Matt Koppelman wrote: i dunno.. i dont have THAT much experience.. i've heard procmail is a nightmare to install, i'm looking for something quick, and easy.. - Original Message - From: Matt Greer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM FILTER From: Matt Koppelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am a new sysadmin for my ISP.. we have a horrible spam problem here, and no one has done anything in the past to resolve it. I have decent linux experience, but i wouldnt exactly call myself a pro.. :) i have been looking into blackmail, but it seems very difficult to install. I was wondering if anyone out there knew of an AWESOME spam filter, that can be used system-wide (for ISP use) and is EASY to install and administer.. can anyone please help me?!?!? :) Give procmail a try. I'm about to set it up for my network as well. I don't actually have it running yet, but I've seen nothing but positive things about it. http://www.procmail.org/ Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM
Hi SPAM is any unsolicetied, unwanted mail that is sent in bulk/to multiple recipients. I didn't want the trash that CHris Harvey sent, nor did I request it and it was sent in bulk (via the Newbie list) thus it is SPAM. Robert MacLean - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: [newbie] SPAM Could someone define what spam is for me? That is is there a dictionary definition for Spam. I thought spam was sending e-mail that someone is trying to sell me something or someone sending me repeated e-mail even when I have asked them not to. Get your own FREE E-mail address at http://www.linuxfreemail.com Linux FREE Mail is 100% FREE, 100% Linux, and 100% yours! -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] SPAM
Actually... SPAM is a lovely meat *food* product that comes vacuum-packed in a tin. The taste is so wonderful, it can be used at practically any (non-kosher) meal in combination with any other *food* product. SPAM is a first cousin to the good old Christmas fruitcake, commonly known as a paperweight, doorstop, or just brick. To get the full gist of what SPAM really entails, you need to sit yourself down with the entire Monty Python's Flying Circus video library... 'Nuff said there. Hence the term SPAM has been stretched (nice visual image there folks!) to include all that lovely unsolicited email that knowone really wanted in the first place. Have a nice day, Mike --- Robert MacLean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi SPAM is any unsolicetied, unwanted mail that is sent in bulk/to multiple recipients. I didn't want the trash that CHris Harvey sent, nor did I request it and it was sent in bulk (via the Newbie list) thus it is SPAM. Robert MacLean - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: [newbie] SPAM Could someone define what spam is for me? That is is there a dictionary definition for Spam. I thought spam was sending e-mail that someone is trying to sell me something or someone sending me repeated e-mail even when I have asked them not to. Get your own FREE E-mail address at http://www.linuxfreemail.com Linux FREE Mail is 100% FREE, 100% Linux, and 100% yours! -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com = May the Force be with you. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Spam mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 04 August 2001 07:03, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: I read that the list administrators send the junk mail to different organizations. Could someone indicate one of them? I have some spam I want to send to them in order to stop the spammers. You don't send the spam to the anti-spam organizations. They get enough of their own. :-) You complain to the ISPs providing connectivity for the spammer. You need to know how to expand and read headers to determine where the spam really came from and what the appropriate targets of your wrath might be. Don't overlook drop boxes and web pages listed in the spam. You can get preferred abuse addresses for ISPs at http://abuse.net. abuse.net also runs a forwarding service for spam complaints. For instance, if you get a spam from an aol user, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will auto forward to whatever address aol is using this week to handle spam complaints. Include the entire spam with expanded headers in your complaint. Best place for a newbie getting started on spam fighting to get help is the usenet news group news.admin.net-abuse.email. They'll help you with confusing or forged spam headers. I also have some links to tutorials on my spam fighting page at http://oriez.org Once you're comfortable, good tools to use include http://combat.uxn.com. Sam Spade was my favorite tool in my M$ days, but it hasn't been ported to linux yet and it blows up under wine. I have a query in to the author about his plans for a linux port. I'm using procmail now with good success, except my ISP's security setting blocks me from invoking sendmail from the script for bounces. - -- - --- Oh come now. At least pretend to be scared. The media spent millions trying to psyche you up for this - User Friendly, 08/01/01 on the Code Red virus scare -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBO2wUEH+bkeP849+WEQJL4gCgmMT19w/ywzKdpN4Laqlyvq8KGDsAoMvp vITVrvivx7j1R5isviBmioXQ =6Npn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie] SPAM
Adam, What is it that you're trying to say? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, adam wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:08:43 -0600 From: adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM - Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM maybe English is a second language for this person. In which case their english isn't all that bad. Certainly much better then some folks I know that speak and write the language as their mother tongue! -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Kyle Baker wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot... --- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is, as an example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot. Rob On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote: I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] SPAM
Ummm...Ok, I'll bite. what is it that you're trying to say? -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, adam wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:08:25 -0600 From: adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM - Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM maybe English is a second language for this person. In which case their english isn't all that bad. Certainly much better then some folks I know that speak and write the language as their mother tongue! -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Kyle Baker wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot... --- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is, as an example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot. Rob On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote: I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] SPAM
I was wondering what was up with that too, but it wouldn't do them any
good sending that way cause the filters take care of those kinds of
things.
--
Mark
"If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless,"
"Sharing is what makes them powerful."
On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Dennis Myers wrote:
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:20:49 -0600
From: Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM
If you are trying to hit the guy with a blast of copies you have set your
email to send everything in multiple copies, at least it looks that way from
here, I recieved about 5 copies of this mail.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, you wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM
maybe English is a second language for this person. In which case their
english isn't all that bad. Certainly much better then some folks I know
that speak and write the language as their mother tongue!
--
Mark
"If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being
worthless,"
"Sharing is what makes them powerful."
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Kyle Baker wrote:
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Kyle Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM
The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability
was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot...
--- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is,
as an
example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot.
Rob
On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote:
I don't really know which is more annoying-the
autoreply, or the
poor spelling.
Cyber Sam wrote:
You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email
is not
spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list
it is
considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal
business on
the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply
to all of
there queries.
I have had my legal department look at what constitutes
'SPAM' and in
there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or
solicited you to
do anything, only supplies information, it can not be
legally
considered 'SPAM'.
If you do not like the fact that my company has an
autoreply assigned
to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or
ignoring
it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me
to change
how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in
the net.
__
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] SPAM
Anthony,
It's right there on the message. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Mark
"If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless,"
"Sharing is what makes them powerful."
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Anthony Daniell wrote:
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:41:54 +1000
From: Anthony Daniell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM
Does anyone know adam's email address as he keeps sending the same email to
the list
Just visiting this planet,
Please sign the Linux Driver petition
http://www.libranet.com/petition.html
http://ants.www4.50megs.com/linux.html
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Anthony Daniell
- Original Message -
From: "adam" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM
- Original Message -
From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM
maybe English is a second language for this person. In which case their
english isn't all that bad. Certainly much better then some folks I know
that speak and write the language as their mother tongue!
--
Mark
"If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being
worthless,"
"Sharing is what makes them powerful."
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Kyle Baker wrote:
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Kyle Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM
The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability
was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot...
--- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is,
as an
example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot.
Rob
On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote:
I don't really know which is more annoying-the
autoreply, or the
poor spelling.
Cyber Sam wrote:
You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email
is not
spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list
it is
considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal
business on
the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply
to all of
there queries.
I have had my legal department look at what constitutes
'SPAM' and in
there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or
solicited you to
do anything, only supplies information, it can not be
legally
considered 'SPAM'.
If you do not like the fact that my company has an
autoreply assigned
to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or
ignoring
it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me
to change
how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in
the net.
__
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Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
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Re: [newbie] SPAM
Hi, sorry about that, Thanks for that also. Just visiting this planet, Please sign the Linux Driver petition http://www.libranet.com/petition.html http://ants.www4.50megs.com/linux.html http://www.50megs.com Anthony Daniell - Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM Anthony, It's right there on the message. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Anthony Daniell wrote: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:41:54 +1000 From: Anthony Daniell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] SPAM
On Tuesday 27 February 2001 05:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday I posted that I had not come across this - I have now ! My question, I use Kmail and would like to bounce these but there does not appear to be a filter rule "bounce" does anyone no how to do this ? If not will forwarding it to /dev/null get rid of it without me even seeing it ? --- Thu Mar 1 00:01:40 2001 I can't answer your bounce question Poogle, but what I do ,on particularily irritating threads is to set a filter to put them into trash, and I don't see them unless I am digging in the trash ,grin out they go when I dump the trash. of course none of your messages. 8-) -- Olly P Biloxi Mississippi *mailed from Linux Via Kmail*
Re: [newbie] SPAM
Well...just speaking for myself, auto-replies don't bother me a bit, but bad spilling annoies the hill out-a me! -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Carl Kehley wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:56:59 -0500 From: Carl Kehley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net.
Re: [newbie] SPAM
maybe English is a second language for this person. In which case their english isn't all that bad. Certainly much better then some folks I know that speak and write the language as their mother tongue! -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Kyle Baker wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot... --- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is, as an example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot. Rob On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote: I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] SPAM
- Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM maybe English is a second language for this person. In which case their english isn't all that bad. Certainly much better then some folks I know that speak and write the language as their mother tongue! -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Kyle Baker wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot... --- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is, as an example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot. Rob On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote: I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] SPAM
- Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM maybe English is a second language for this person. In which case their english isn't all that bad. Certainly much better then some folks I know that speak and write the language as their mother tongue! -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Kyle Baker wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot... --- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is, as an example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot. Rob On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote: I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] SPAM
- Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM maybe English is a second language for this person. In which case their english isn't all that bad. Certainly much better then some folks I know that speak and write the language as their mother tongue! -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Kyle Baker wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot... --- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is, as an example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot. Rob On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote: I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] SPAM
- Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM maybe English is a second language for this person. In which case their english isn't all that bad. Certainly much better then some folks I know that speak and write the language as their mother tongue! -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Kyle Baker wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot... --- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is, as an example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot. Rob On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote: I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] SPAM
- Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM maybe English is a second language for this person. In which case their english isn't all that bad. Certainly much better then some folks I know that speak and write the language as their mother tongue! -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Kyle Baker wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot... --- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is, as an example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot. Rob On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote: I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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- Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM maybe English is a second language for this person. In which case their english isn't all that bad. Certainly much better then some folks I know that speak and write the language as their mother tongue! -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Kyle Baker wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot... --- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is, as an example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot. Rob On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote: I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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If you are trying to hit the guy with a blast of copies you have set your email to send everything in multiple copies, at least it looks that way from here, I recieved about 5 copies of this mail. On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM maybe English is a second language for this person. In which case their english isn't all that bad. Certainly much better then some folks I know that speak and write the language as their mother tongue! -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Kyle Baker wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kyle Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot... --- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is, as an example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot. Rob On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote: I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Dennis M. registered linux user # 180842
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it's jest one-O-those topics that borders on religious ferver and fanatisism. -- Mark "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," "Sharing is what makes them powerful." On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Adam Baxter wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:46:29 -0500 From: Adam Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] SPAM Actually, this whole kinda thing is getting annoying. You guys are becomming no better than the spammer. Please don't hate me for asking this, but why are we dragging this out? Its getting kinda boring. You know where he lives. Anyone who's in the general area go kick his butt, in the meantime, lets go back to help people, K? KC
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legal arguments aside, its unsolicited email that i (and others) receive from you it is rude and inconsiderate, you can just as easily filter it Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. -- "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck, is probably the day Microsoft starts making vacuum cleaners." - Ernst Jan Plugge
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For starters, you could be a little more apologetic and have explained your position, rather than trying to make into a "list" problem, especially in light of the fact you are apparently on this list for help;-) How does it go..."You can catch more flies with sugar than with sh*t"Don't bite the hand that feeds you" etc. etc. While legally it may not be considered SPAM, it can still be annoying. You could sign up for a separate email account as one possibility. There are many free services out there and it wouldn't cost you a dime. Of course, I guess it is easier to have hundreds of people set up a filter to accomodate your choice of using your existing acount;-) Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net.
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less see. a quick look at a whois database on cybersam shows... registrant: qq corporation ( cybersam3-dom ) 126 belmont drive, unit 42 london, on n6j 4w1 ca ca domain name: cybersam.com administrative contact, billing contact: a., sam ( sa6132 ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] qq corporation 126 belmont drive, unit 42 london, on n6j 4w1 ca (519) 686-4452 technical contact: support, technical ( ts7426 ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] my free office online 2320 main street 2nd floor bridgeport, ct 06606 us 203-335-8804 203-335-8656 record last updated on 08-jan-2001. record expires on 04-nov-2000. record created on 04-nov-1998. database last updated on 26-feb-2001 08:31:31 est. domain servers in listed order: ns.skyport.net 216.169.96.10 ns2.skyport.net - Original Message - From: "angry" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] SPAM legal arguments aside, its unsolicited email that i (and others) receive from you it is rude and inconsiderate, you can just as easily filter it Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is snip I wonder what QQ corp does... h maybe if i look here.
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Presumably you subscribed to this list becuase you're a LInux-Mandrake user who can benefit from the help of other users. The request that you not send autoreplies to the list is perfectly legitimate. (And if one person actually expressed it, you can be sure lots of others are at least thinking it.) Your reply is an obnoxious and inconsiderate way to treat people who, as a rule, go out of their way to share what they know. I hope, rather than consulting your legal department (hubba, hubba!), you'll ask your IT department for some help configuring your emailer. Have a nice day. M. On Monday 26 February 2001 16:55, Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. -- Michael O'Henly TENZO Design
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wither "YOUR LEGAL department" considers Spam or not .. I consider it Spam, I will do everythingin my power to see that no one I know will do any sort of business with any one as pompass (THAT is how I wanted it spelled) asyourself.. consider yourself bozo-filtered.. I will be setting up a system that sends as many as say,10 replies to each e-mail you send that reaches my box, reflecting each piece that you send automatically...ten timeseach.. heck that will be fun soon... and my legal department informed me that Spam is a registered trademark of the Hormel corp.. and they can sue you for miss-using the name... I may not know the definition of obscene, but I know when I see it... the legal department may not think it is Spam but I know it when I see it... get off this mail list you creep - Original Message - From: Cyber Sam To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:55 PM Subject: [newbie] SPAM You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net.
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I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net.
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the truth is that unsolicited e-mail IS Spam. and just what kind of BS business are you hoping for help here.. maybe that someday you will have a "real" website.. instead of just a "dotcom" name your mommy thinks is catchy.??? If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net.
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I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is, as an example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot. Rob On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote: I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net.
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Actually, this whole kinda thing is getting annoying. You guys are becomming no better than the spammer. Please don't hate me for asking this, but why are we dragging this out? Its getting kinda boring. You know where he lives. Anyone who's in the general area go kick his butt, in the meantime, lets go back to help people, K? KC
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I agree.. Adam Baxter wrote: Actually, this whole kinda thing is getting annoying. You guys are becomming no better than the spammer. Please don't hate me for asking this, but why are we dragging this out? Its getting kinda boring. You know where he lives. Anyone who's in the general area go kick his butt, in the meantime, lets go back to help people, K? KC -- Registered Linux User: 167369 = http://www.kompukit.com = [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ# 7110071 Personal WebServer: http://kompukit.dyndns.org WebDesigner: http://www.kompukit.com/kitdesigns (Personal Server runs: M-F= 7pm-12am S+S=12pm-12am)
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The incredibly poor grammar and egregious spelling (in)ability was far worse than the autoreply, which is saying a lot... --- rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I vote for the poor spelling and improper grammar (it's=it is, as an example). Spam can be dealt with. Incorrigibles cannot. Rob On Monday 26 February 2001 21:56, you wrote: I don't really know which is more annoying-the autoreply, or the poor spelling. Cyber Sam wrote: You my knowledge, having an autoreply assigned to my email is not spamming, if in the opinion of the moderators of this list it is considered spam, I should let you know that I run a legal business on the web that requires that my customers get a timely reply to all of there queries. I have had my legal department look at what constitutes 'SPAM' and in there opinion, since the autoreply does not imply or solicited you to do anything, only supplies information, it can not be legally considered 'SPAM'. If you do not like the fact that my company has an autoreply assigned to it's email, you have the choice of filtering it out, or ignoring it. Reporting it to the anti-spam groups will not cause me to change how I or how thousands of other businesses do business in the net. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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At 08:19 20/12/99 +0200, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't we have filters for this crap??? There has been a lot of this sort of shit coming through for the past couple of days. Can it be blocked please... I think this is now the time for linux-mandrake.com to switch its mail transport agent with newer version (not just sendmail 8.8.5) and subscribe to MAPS RBL, RSS, and DUL , and ORBS to prevent spamming like this (ref : www.mail-abuse.org , www.orbs.org) PS: why this mailling list is still using sendmail ?, I see there are many mailling list use postfix, exim and qmail as their mta
