Re: [newbie-it] permessi connessione internet
Filippo wrote: Ciao a tutti, da poco tempo sono riuscito ad installare la Mandrake 8.1 ed a utilizzare il nuovo S.O., riesco anche a connettermi ad internet, ma solo come root (cliccando sull'icona rispettiva), qual'è la procedura per cambiare i permessi e a quali file per connettersi come utente normale? Premetto che ho una scheda ISDN interna che è riconosciuta perfettamente. Grazie per le eventuali risposte, Filippo. E` una questione di livello di sicurezza Quasi certamente ne hai impostato uno medio-alto che prevede che solo root possa compiere certe operazioni. Il quasi l'ho messo perche' non ho esperienza su collegamenti isdn. O abbassi il livello di sicurezza, oppure imposti il SUID al programma che gestisce il collegamento (chmod +s ) ciao, Andrea
Re: [newbie-it] Kernel e boot
Pollo wrote: Ho appena compilato il kernel 2.5.2 (quello generico, non della mdk), e sono riuscito ad ottimizzarlo per il mio sistema. L'unico inconveniente è che quando viene caricato il SO mi segnala molti messaggi con la scritta FALLITO in rosso. Domanda: come si possono eliminare? Come faccio a dire al SO cosa caricarmi e cosa trascurare? Spero di essermi spiegato. Ciao, Pollo. Dipende da cosa ha fallito ... Comunque, se non sai esattamente cosa stai facendo, ti sconsiglio vivissimamente i kernel con seconda cifra dispari. Sono per definizione utilizzati dagli sviluppatori per provare i futuri sviluppi, quindi sono assolutamemte instabili e al limite dell'usabilita`. Il 2.5.20 sara` forse un'accettabile pre-release del kernel 2.6.0, ma da un 2.5.2 non puoi aspettarti nulla di utilizzabile per tutti i giorni. ciao, andrea
Re: [newbie-it] emulazione scsi
Fabio Manunza wrote: Alle 18:02, sabato 9 marzo 2002, hai scritto: Tanto per iniziare ho notato che il masterizatore(Yamaha CRW2100E)è gia impostato come scd0 (penso sia stato fatto in automatico,io non ho messo mano) Ora per far emulare pure il lettore hdc che devo fare? Come prima cosa dovrei modificae la stringa in grub in una cosa del genere? title linux kernel (hd1,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb1 nobiospnp hdd=ide-scsi [hdc=ide-scsi] devfs=mount Aggiungo solo che e` meglio mettere masterizzatore e lettore CD su due canali diversi. In genere, per evitare code, e` meglio che i dati da masterizzare (hardDisk con immagine iso o CD da copiare) siano su un canale IDE (es. il primario, hda o hdb) o sul canale UDMA, da li fluiscano alla cpu e da li direttamente al masterizzatore sull'altro canale. Ogni canale funziona a senso unico alternato ;-) Per capirci con un esempio, sulla mia macchina ho disco fisso udma su /dev/hde cdrom atapi su /dev/hdb masterizzatore atapi su /dev/hdd. La superiorita` dello scsi vero sta proprio nella sua capacita` di gestire al meglio questi traffici, coinvolgendo al minimo la cpu/ram e passando direttamente i dati da un device all'altro. ciao, andrea
[newbie-it] supermount
ho appena installato una mdk 8.0 su un vecchio portatile 586... ora, prima di esporre i miei problemi, volevo chiedervi una cosa: come si elimina il supermount? ho provato a cercare fra i vecchi articoli ma non l'ho trovato...
Re: [newbie-it] supermount
Alle 15:57, lunedì 11 marzo 2002, hai scritto: ho appena installato una mdk 8.0 su un vecchio portatile 586... ora, prima di esporre i miei problemi, volevo chiedervi una cosa: come si elimina il supermount? ho provato a cercare fra i vecchi articoli ma non l'ho trovato... Prova ad andare in Mandrake Control Center quindi Hardware e Punti di Mount. Da li clicca su Removeable Media ed in opzioni. Dovresti trovare cosa fa per te.. -- - -- Fabio Manunza -- ## n° macchina 140545 ## -
[newbie-it] wine
Salute alla lista. Qualche giorno fa ho voluto installare l'RPM di wine, dalla mdk8.1, sul mio computer che, oltre alla succitata distribuzione, ha anche WinME. Il risultato però è alquanto miserello, poichè non sono riuscito a far partire alcuna applicazione win, ne cliccando sull'icona, ne con il comando da terminale /usr/bin/winereal eccetera. A questo punto presumo che la semplice installazione del Rpm non sia sufficiente, eche il tutto debba essere perfezionato con qualche settaggio. Chi sa dirmi di più? Ringraziamenti anticipati. -- - -- Fabio Manunza -- ## n° macchina 140545 ## -
Re: [newbie-it] supermount
Prova ad andare in Mandrake Control Center quindi Hardware e Punti di Mount. Da li clicca su Removeable Media ed in opzioni. Dovresti trovare cosa fa per te.. ma, alla fine ho deciso di passare alla 8.1, ma i miei problemi non sono migliorati...
[newbie-it] scheda audio
ho installato una mdk 8.1 su un portatile (pentium 166, 32 mb di ram) con scheda audio CrystalPNP Audio system 4236, dal sistema perfettamente riconosciuta. il problema é che non riesco a farla funzionare se lancio il tool di configurazione mi viene: modprobe: can't locate module isa-pnp tra láltro vedevo che in /dev non esiste né un file sound ne un file audio... qualcuno ha qualche suggerimento?? grazie stefano
[newbie-it] Sceda rete pcmcia
ho installato una mdk 8.1 su un portatile (pentium 166, 32 mb di ram) al momento dell'installazione il sistema riconosce la scheda di rete pcmcia e mi chiede di configurare indirizzo ip, dns... finita l'installazione, della scheda non ne so piú nulla... se lancio draknet, la scheda non viene riconosciuta! che fare?
Re: [newbie-it] Sceda rete pcmcia
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Stefano Bigotta wrote: ho installato una mdk 8.1 su un portatile (pentium 166, 32 mb di ram) al momento dell'installazione il sistema riconosce la scheda di rete pcmcia e mi chiede di configurare indirizzo ip, dns... finita l'installazione, della scheda non ne so piú nulla... se lancio draknet, la scheda non viene riconosciuta! Non viene riconosciuta o non viene vista? Se non viene vista potrebbe essere sufficiente attivare il giusto servizio dal centro di controllo. Non mi ricordo come si chiama ma basta andare su servizi e scorrerli tutti fino a quello buono CIao Luigi Hops, sembra che tu sia mio vicino di dipartimento -- Not all who wander are lost (Tolkien) Luigi De Pascale: Indirizzo: Dipartimento di Matematica Applicata U.Dini Via Bonanno Pisano 25/B, 56126 Pisa, ITALY Tel.: +39/050/844745 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie-it] scheda audio
Alle 18:48, lunedì 11 marzo 2002, Stefano Bigotta ha scritto: il problema é che non riesco a farla funzionare se lancio il tool di configurazione mi viene: modprobe: can't locate module isa-pnp tra láltro vedevo che in /dev non esiste né un file sound ne un file audio... Stessa cosa era sucessa a me! prova ad inserire nobiospnp nel lilo/grub se nn va ugualmente , prova a disabilitare il pnp dal bios se anche questo non fungedevi trovare qualcuno con la tua stessa scheda audio che ti dia le stringhe da inserire in modules.conf io alla fine avevo risolto cosi Ciao , Tom
[newbie-it] sistema bloccato per..inattivit
Problemino con MDK 8.1-2.4.8-26mdk: sia in modalità konsole che in kde se non tocco né mouse né tastiera per circa 20 minuti... non posso far altro che resettare da case. Dove devo sbirciare per risolvere? Grazie -- syd
Re: [newbie-it] emulazione scsi
Alle 16:51, domenica 10 marzo 2002, hai scritto: prima di spedire la mail sopra ho fatto alcuni esperimenti ho creato il link come segue ln -s /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/cd /dev/scd1 e mi sono accorto che ho fatto qualche danno. i dispositivi si sono invertiti cioè...ciccando sul masterizatore monto il CDrom e come se non bastasse ciccando sul CDrom mi da questo messagio d'errore: impossibile montare il dispositivo. l'errore.. /dev/hdc: input/output error mount:l could not determine the filesystem type , and none was specified in poche parole devo aver fatto fuori scd0 ragazzi ditemi che devo fare!!! io nn ci sto capendo piu nulla ;) Se hai letto il messaggio che ti ho mandato sabato dovresti trovare le risposte che cerchi... se lo hai cancellato... scrivimi. ;-P -- saluti Giovanni Mazzamati mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Linux Mandrake 8.1 KDE 2.2 user Registred User #183142 Un giorno le macchine riusciranno a risolvere tutti i problemi, ma mai nessuna di esse potrà porne uno. Albert Einstein
[newbie-it] c6 o non c6
esistono client linux per c6? grazie claudio
Re: [newbie-it] supermount
Alle 18:13, lunedì 11 marzo 2002, hai scritto: Prova ad andare in Mandrake Control Center quindi Hardware e Punti di Mount. Da li clicca su Removeable Media ed in opzioni. Dovresti trovare cosa fa per te.. ma, alla fine ho deciso di passare alla 8.1, ma i miei problemi non sono migliorati... ..beh, ma comunque è identico il procedimento. -- - -- Fabio Manunza -- ## n° macchina 140545 ## -
[newbie-it] kernel
di howto sulla compilazione del kernel ce ne sono a bizzeffe, forse troppi per seguirne uno con sicurezza. Quello che dicono tutti è la sequenza: make dep make clean make bzImage make modules make modules_install poi alcuni riportano operazioni da fare con system.map, altri sullo spostamento dei moduli vecchi, ecc... A me quello che interesserebbe fare è questo: compilare un nuovo kernel, lasciando intatto tutto (ma proprio tutto) quello che riguarda il kernel originale, compresi i moduli, in modo da rilanciare quello all'occorrenza. Qualcuno mi può dire cortesemente cosa devo fare ? Grazie Fer
Re: [newbie-it] emulazione scsi
Se hai letto il messaggio che ti ho mandato sabato dovresti trovare le risposte che cerchi... se lo hai cancellato... scrivimi. ;-P Ero convinto ke la mail fosse arrivata in listama a quanto pare non è arrivata..neanche a me Ti ringrazio ho fatto come mi avevi detto tuora sono emulati tutti e due senza alcun problema.ancora non ho provato a masterizzare.ma ora nn credo ci saranno problemi. Ciao , Tom
Re: [newbie] rpms and OpenOffice.
Ralph, I am having a problem with the dictionary. The spell checker flags all words in the document as wrong, which suggests that it does not have a valid dictionary. I checked the Tools-options-OpenOffice.org-Paths and the entry for Dictionary has the path /usr/share/OpenOffice.org641/share/wordbook/english. That directory has the following listing: ls -la /usr/share/OpenOffice.org641/share/wordbook/english/ total 3740 drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4096 Mar 9 18:34 . drwxrwxr-x3 root root 4096 Mar 9 18:32 .. -rw-r--r--1 root root 786 Dec 20 06:00 soffice.dic -rw-r--r--1 root root 666 Dec 20 06:00 sun.dic -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 3284160 Dec 20 06:00 th_en_US.dat -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 517205 Dec 20 06:00 th_en_US.idx Those are not much of a dictionary, no wonder it flags all words. Can I use the ispell dictionary? I have the following: ls -l /usr/lib/ispell/ total 4068 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 17 Oct 8 04:07 american.hash - americanmed+.hash -rw-r--r--1 root root 985536 Jun 28 2001 americanmed+.hash lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 16 Oct 8 04:07 british.hash - britishmed+.hash -rw-r--r--1 root root 998400 Jun 28 2001 britishmed+.hash -rw-r--r--1 root root 2156688 Jun 28 2001 britishxlg.hash -rw-r--r--1 root root 5733 Jun 28 2001 english.aff lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 17 Oct 8 04:07 english.hash - americanmed+.hash The format is not the same as those that came with Open Office. Ispell is binary. Are you using a dictionary? Thanks, Seedkum On Saturday 09 March 2002 05:45 pm, Ralph Slooten wrote: OK, You downloaded and unpacked the tar.gz file... there should be several files in the unzipped folder, or not? Well, there is a setup file... sorry, not install... my appologies. Try a ./setup /net and the rest should be pretty straight forward. I canot remember if the /net funtion is well documented, but it exists from StarOffice, and it still used in the OopenOffice.org. You will have to install this as root. One thing I must add... I had a big problem in the beginning where I could not read the install screen. I found out that this had to do with Abiword (some arial font that was contained in it), and uninstalling it first fixed everything :-) Ok, once installed, let's say in /usr/share/openoffice.org641 (I have no idea what 4.1 version you are referring to?), as a normal user type /usr/share/openoffice.org641/setup and it should install several files into your home directory. There are needed for your personal settings. In the folder created there are shortcuts to openoffice and so on. I think the rest is pretty straight forward. The version I use is : http://sf1.mirror.openoffice.org/641c/install641C_linux_intel.tar.gz but others should work too. Greetings Ralph Seedkum Aladeem wrote: | Ralph, | | You mentioned: | | Do an ./install /net if you want to use it for several users and don't | want to install a separate version in each users $HONE. | | I looked at the install man pages and there was no mention of the /net | switch. The man page said it was a file copy utility, all be it a more | sophisticated one. The one I have is version 4.1. What is this install | program you have in mind? | | I did the down load, the unzip, the untar and I am ready for the next step. | Thanx, | | Seedkum | | On Saturday 09 March 2002 03:51 pm, Ralph Slooten wrote: |Well, no, but you can always just delete the folder where it is |installed :-) In my case /usr/share/openoffice ... the shortcuts where |it is installed will be added to your local install directory (for each |user about 3 MB's in their $HOME somewhere...). There are no other |shortcuts or files installed anywhere else. | |Hope this helps, | |Ralph | |Seedkum Aladeem wrote: || Does it also come with an uninstall utility? || || Thanks, || || Seedkum | | | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] rpm and binary only installations - do they mix?
Hi,
I have just upgraded Xfree86 in Mdk 8.1 to 4.2.0. I used the
binaries on the XFree site. It was recommended i do this on the
gatos site where I wanted to grab a driver for my ATI card.
It occurs to me that the rpm database does not understand this
upgrade and is operating as if i have XFree86 4.1.0
So... what is the idea here - use rpms only? Is there a way of
telling rpm what I have installed?
I have binary for my ATI Radeon card I'd like to install - I
can't find an rpm for it. Should I do it or risk more of these
incompatibilities with my rpm database? Should i be using
rpmfind? I am just downloading it now.
I am interested in learning how to manage my machine. It seems
this is a messy process. I'd love to hear how others manage
their Mandrake files.
Walter
Some clips from the console follow.
~~~
1001 walter@psybernet:~ (12:14:53)
$ kpackage
kpackage: WARNING: KDE detected X Error: BadMatch (invalid
parameter attributes) 8 Major opcode: 42
~~
1004 walter@psybernet:~ (07:52:32)
$ rpm -qv XFree86
XFree86-4.1.0-17mdk
1005 walter@psybernet:~ (07:52:42)
$ X -version
XFree86 Version 4.2.0 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600)
Release Date: 18 January 2002
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/)
Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.9-13smp i686 [ELF]
Module Loader present
~~~
From the man page:
REBUILD DATABASE OPTIONS
The general form of an rpm rebuild
database command is
rpm {--initdb|--rebuilddb} [-v]
[--dbpath DIRECTORY] [--root DIRECTORY]
Use --initdb to create a new database,
use --rebuilddb to rebuild the database
indices from the installed package
headers.
~
I guess this means it just rebuilds its data from rpm related
installations.
--
Walter Logeman
Psychotherapist
http://www.psybernet.co.nz
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Re: [newbie] Re: ximian gnome
I've started to agree Shane. Gnome just keeps pissing me off. for me its the other way round, gnome is perfect duck -- Rick Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News Resources - http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x231E1CEA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake udate to 8.2
After upgrading Mandrake8.1 up to 8.2 it is impossible to start XWindows from any user except for root Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
What do you think StarOffice and OpenOffice do? I haven't found a ppt,xls, or doc file that it can't read yet, keeping the format intact. There is more to word docs than just the text and its formatting. Once you have grasped that you will realise that NON of the linux wordprocessors open word docs to anything more than the most basic standard. -- Rick Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News Resources - http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x231E1CEA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Keyboard repeat delay problem
Look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 you will see a line saying Option AutoRepeat 250 30 I think the 250 is the time in msec before autorepeat, and 30 is the time between repeats. You will need to restart X before changes take effect. HTH derek On Monday 11 March 2002 00:56, Pen Gwynne wrote: Running ML8.1 and KDE. I can't find where to set the keyboard repeat delay and speed. Right now the delay is way too short. Perhaps this is not a settable function? There is a section in the BIOS, but ML8.1 doesn't seem to honor that setting. Any Suggestions? Thanks, /Pen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
On Mon, 2002-03-11 at 01:49, FemmeFatale wrote: In a different post I agreed with Dvorak however I did forget why I still use M$, games. Gaming on Linux will only happen when there are enough boxes on desks. loki and the like failed because the market is just to small (that and once you have quake who cares right) Besides PC's make expensive game stations, better to buy a PS2 (etc) and buy games matched perfectly for your hardware. -- Rick Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News Resources - http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x231E1CEA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
On Monday 11 March 2002 05:30 am, Rick [Kitty5] wrote: What do you think StarOffice and OpenOffice do? I haven't found a ppt,xls, or doc file that it can't read yet, keeping the format intact. There is more to word docs than just the text and its formatting. Once you have grasped that you will realise that NON of the linux wordprocessors open word docs to anything more than the most basic standard. Good point, Rick I agree that there is a big difference between opening a doc and using a word processor It is common here to assume the former is the latter. I still use MS Word on a word doc and WordPerfect on a WordPerfect doc and now I will use Abiword on an Abiword doc. I have to do this so that office types don't have to sort out the resulting problems. Talk about usability after you try to take a doc to abiword or kword with normal office letterheads and imbedded graphics (as most arrive with), add an edit or comment, and shoot it back to the sender. Same scenario with other Windows apps I have to use. So (beat me with a stick) I have to have a Windows box right here next to my Linux box. So what? I have several different wrenches in my tool shed also. Lee -- Registered Linux user #223705 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
So (beat me with a stick) I have to have a Windows box right here next to my Linux box. VMWare :) -- Rick Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News Resources - http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x231E1CEA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
- Original Message - From: Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rick [Kitty5] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor So (beat me with a stick) I have to have a Windows box right here next to my Linux box. Hope I've got the right poster here :-)) As a total linux newbie I will add my two pennorth - I work as a coordinator and support person for housebound people - repairing pcs, getting them on the net etc etc. Whatever the level of skill, everyone here on this list is, by default, either a full blown 'techie' of some sort or an enthusiast who wants to learn more about OS innards. I would go further and say that everyone with a linux PC falls more or less in those categories. The day I can take a linux box round to one of my clients, and say 'there you go, you can get on and install your games/ISP/favourite app..' and leave them to it is the day linux will have blown windows away. I've been at it for a week and still haven't sussed how to get 2 way communication going between linux and windows, and learning this OS is going to take a hell of a lot of reading, swearing and sleepless nights :-)) I'm loving every minute of rediscovering my own stupidity, but I am not the average computer owner, and neither are any of you! I suspect that nearly all of us have 2 pcs at least running both windows and linux (apologies for sweeping statement :-)). Mr and Mrs Average have just one, and whats more, they want to turn it on, do their thing, turn it off and forget about it. Giving them linux would be rather like chucking them an unprogrammed cisco router and saying 'off you go and connect to the net!' Thats where windows scores, and what linux will have to offer eventually to take the market share away from M$. Thats my contribution - I'll crawl back down my hole now and figure out how to remove linneighbourhood when package manager keeps crashing :-)) Heather Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: ximian gnome
Please use KDE is wonderful. On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:35, you wrote: I've started to agree Shane. Gnome just keeps pissing me off. for me its the other way round, gnome is perfect duck Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
As a Microsoft developer and using Microsoft product for many day. I want to tell u guys. Microsoft is going to survive, but remember. After using mandrake linux, I suspected linux is gonna sit in a conner. It is gonna take substantail amount of users from the server market as well as desktop. Few movies in Hollywood as done in linux. It is growing and no one is gonna stop it. But every operating system has to face the threat of Linux growing user base. As lond as it is gonna maintain standrad as a unique product of linux flavour. All the distributions are gonna see the same track. Linux mandrake took me with a surprise and I have virtually nothing to pay as well. On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:48, you wrote: about the taking or not taking on M$ .. don't you think that all those people ( i.e. me ) that leave windows and use linux are growing in number because of this kind of competition? M$ has blown away every single competitor till now, using incredibly agressive, unfair and probably illegal methods. they are scared, of course, because linux does not depend on a single company and thus there is no clear enemy to crush. but playing Ghandi is not going to help us, either. M$ is not giving away any territory, and if linux is going to grow, it will be by taking it out of them. and of course, much of this has to do with advertising and media in general. M$ with their FUD stuff, linux with our we are getting so much better stuff. i'm not entirely sure i'm making myself clear, i guess i'm too sleepy to think right .. :oP How is it better? Please name one thing I can't do in GIMP that you can in PShop, other than doing CMYK separations. Don't forget also to factor in that PhotoShop isn't free. well, ... i could make a list of every single plug-in .. but it could take years. i'm not saying gimp can't do this or that, it's just that PS's got a plug for everithing and it just makes it easier *** stop *** - let's try not to make a Gimp Vs. PS here... i'll drop this part of the discussion. it could be endless. oh and one more thing.. yeah i know that very few OS's were designed with multimedia in mind, but what i wanted to say is, linux was, as far as i can see ( someone with more knowledge will correct me here if needed ) built from the ground up to be a very stable and secure system, and over the years of development all the other stuff, from GUI installs to the Gimp and freeamp ... just grew afterwards. and this is not the case with windows, which is almost pure GUI ( wanna call it bloat? ok! let's call it that :o) Well I don't get your point, before windoze there was DOS. shrug my point is down here. i think it was civileme that said something like linux was not made with sound system in mind and it uses very little bandwidth for sound eventswell, this is exactly what i mean. i was just not built that way. of course this will change, and i think it will be soon enough. True, but the kernel can evolve. I find sound working just fine, but then I don't use bloated window managers like KDE that screw up more than they help out. ... after all, linux is about choice, huh? at least that's the feeling i got. i like this kind of discussion very much. i find them educative :oP please keep replying :o) nod However, I think I've had too much caffeine to-day, had a heavy workload to do, and well I think I over did it. It's 1:30am here, I have to work bright n early tomorrow and I can't sleep, 'casue I'm still on a caffeine induced bz. Excuse the rant. (:' ok, we can leave it for tomorrow ;oP ( it's 04:30 AM here. ) Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] programs running on wine
Thankyou Femme! PV. - Original Message - From: FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] programs running on wine Browse in a Filemanager to /root, then I believe /mnt, then the windows drive letter *mine are kind of mixed up*. Do same thing from a command line. There have been tons of threads on this lately, just look at the archives for this list. Femme Paul_Vortex wrote: Rick [Kitty5] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes... you could run max in vmware, but seriously, who would want to - dual boot and replace your windows shell with max :) Um You can boot directly into a program like Max??? Can you do it with Lightwave7? Wow! Could you set up a multiple boot system with Lightwave7, Painter7 and Linux? That would be tres cool! Actually... a question How does an individual get access to their other HD partitions (ie Windows and previously saved files ... I have MP3's I want to access in another partition on my drive) from the Command Line? Cheers, PV. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
Heather; As a Network Consultant, I fully understand your perspective. I hear these kinds of concerns every day from clients who are unfamiliar with Linux, but curious enough that they are willing to experiment. My best guess (for the moment) is that Linux will acheive gradual acceptance over the next few years, but until then, and until friendlier desktops show up, I can see where Newbie's and casual users might have a problem. I respect the work you do by the way. Our LUG here in Montreal has been refurbishing used PC's and installing Linux for low-income families and senior citizens for a while now. But, (here it comes!), I've seen a large number of PC owners/users migrate over to dual-boot systems, or completely to Linux, without any major problems. While they may be used to Windows, I've found that they're more used to finding their programs with conventional names. What I mean is that it's not Linux they're afraid of, but the unknown (Please do a web-search on the term cognitive dissonance). To ease their worries, I typically set up their Linux apps with names and/or icons that resemble their M$ counterparts. For Example, change the Kmail icon to an Outlook Express icon, and rename the icon. Then give them a quick demo on Kmail. If they're using a dial-up Internet account, name the Kppp icon Connect to the Internet or something similar. Most of the problems I see with new users is usually related to unfamiliarity, and these kinds of modifications seem to do the trick. By the way, if you still need help with Linux to Windows communication, email me off the list, and I'll be glad to help. Go figure! Lanman - Original Message - From: Heather Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor - Original Message - From: Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rick [Kitty5] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor So (beat me with a stick) I have to have a Windows box right here next to my Linux box. Hope I've got the right poster here :-)) As a total linux newbie I will add my two pennorth - I work as a coordinator and support person for housebound people - repairing pcs, getting them on the net etc etc. Whatever the level of skill, everyone here on this list is, by default, either a full blown 'techie' of some sort or an enthusiast who wants to learn more about OS innards. I would go further and say that everyone with a linux PC falls more or less in those categories. The day I can take a linux box round to one of my clients, and say 'there you go, you can get on and install your games/ISP/favourite app..' and leave them to it is the day linux will have blown windows away. I've been at it for a week and still haven't sussed how to get 2 way communication going between linux and windows, and learning this OS is going to take a hell of a lot of reading, swearing and sleepless nights :-)) I'm loving every minute of rediscovering my own stupidity, but I am not the average computer owner, and neither are any of you! I suspect that nearly all of us have 2 pcs at least running both windows and linux (apologies for sweeping statement :-)). Mr and Mrs Average have just one, and whats more, they want to turn it on, do their thing, turn it off and forget about it. Giving them linux would be rather like chucking them an unprogrammed cisco router and saying 'off you go and connect to the net!' Thats where windows scores, and what linux will have to offer eventually to take the market share away from M$. Thats my contribution - I'll crawl back down my hole now and figure out how to remove linneighbourhood when package manager keeps crashing :-)) Heather Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing sane plustek scanner driver
On Saturday 09 March 2002 20:36, you wrote: Hi Y'all Still trying to get my scanner to work using Mandrake 7.2 and Sane 1.03. Trying to make install the plustek driver, I got the following: [root@graham plustek_driver]# make install mkdir -p /lib/modules/2.2.17-21mdk/misc install -c -m 644 pt_drv.o /lib/modules/2.2.17-21mdk/misc /sbin/depmod -a depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.17-21mdk/misc/pt_drv.o It means nothing to me. Advice from anyone who has been down this road would be appreciated. I had no problems with this but I didn't rely on packages. I compiled Sane from source as the plustek driver needs the Sane source to make properly David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Reality STILL intrudes: the geek factor persists
Hi folks, I'm bck! Nothing much seems to have changed.. (sigh) Heather said (in part): Hope I've got the right poster here :-)) As a total linux newbie I will add my two pennorth - I work as a coordinator and support person for housebound people - repairing pcs, getting them on the net etc etc. Whatever the level of skill, everyone here on this list is, by default, either a full blown 'techie' of some sort or an enthusiast who wants to learn more about OS innards. I would go further and say that everyone with a linux PC falls more or less in those categories - The critical point she made was: as a total LINUX newbie. Like her, I am certainly no newbie to the PC - literally writing programs to get the originals ( BEFORE P.C.s existed) to actually do anything. I wrote the first ever user friendly thing for the portable microcomputer: a text-based ASCII Menu for the Osborne et al. I had to - nobody normal could remember the nonsensical command line inputs of CP/M ( the grandpa of MSDOS/PCDOS ) AND I've hated them since. :-) Linux in ANY flavour is a nightmare for the non-geek. The solution to getting Linux out there in any meaningful way is to consider the logistics: 1. Nobody installs their own OS in the real world. The PC is delivered - delivered with Doze already installed AND with a suite, typically. 2. The Mandrake distro is now up to 8.4. The problems are at exactly the same level as they were when I bought Mandrake's first offering. My last try was M8.0. I have tried every one and NEVER got a useful working system. ( Also everybody else's Redhat SUSE etc.) Never had sound, or CD's, or a decent Office suite(lousy font displays), or decent sane, Printing. Same as most people out there today.. 3. As in (1) the solution is to have the job done by a geek. Catch? Finding one who can actually do it!! THAT is how hard it is - I've lost count of the people who generously tried to help me along the way. I believe, after all my research, that there is a great business opportunity going to waste out there for tech-heads. Supplying FULLY-CONFIGURED (underpowered!) systems at a fraction of the Doze-based price in two forms: 1. For the Computer unaware. A completely Linux system. NEVER even mention Doze except to say it is old-hat, very expensive and hard to keep going. 2. Computer/Doze aware: Same thing, only add Win4lin. THAT is where I am finally going. a) find *known to work* specs - Mb, SC, VC, etc etc. Put the box together. b) install Win4lin so I can keep my beloved Frontpage98, VoiceXpress, Lotus Smartsuite and stop fooling around with enormous NEW learning curves instead of making money!! c) Enjoy the best of both worlds! NOW: Is there anyone out there who has done something like this? Setup a low-cost box (built-in sound,video sort of thing)? A businessperson - not a command-line freak? I WANT to use the GUI. If we can't do it via the GUI something is terribly wrong with the interface or something.really - after all this time and attempts. Someone who insists on not suffering the inanities of programs written by very strange people all over again and who has installed Win4lin? Maybe even got ViaVoice going? ( Came with M8.0 Big Retail Box I never got it to go) There! My hypothesis and Xmas wish all at once. HINT: It is 10 times harder to convert to a different system of operation than it is to start with one. Why bother? A!!! But geeks LOVE it! They love the strain, the pain, the anguish, the slow, inching forward in great danger... the non-physical equals of the nutters who climb high rocks. BUT - I must say this - I never saw more friendly and helpful people on any support list who worked harder to help others than here on the Newbie list. Thanks! Him Again (John Rigby) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] gimp v. photoshop [was minimizing the cult factor]
AND the lack of CMYK colorspace in the Gimp is a SERIOUS drawback for professional print design ... there is absolutely no way to do prepress work without CMYK, not to mention L.A.B., yet another colorspace used by some professional color technicians ... humbly, kennM | | Well having worked on PhotoShop often, I can tell you it is highly | over-rated. GIMP does everything and has the advantage of using a better | OS for the editing tasks. As I said previously the only thing that GIMP | doesn't do that PS does is CMYK. The Pantone colour matching system is | proprietary and prolly won't work with GIMP in the foreseeable future. | | well, photoshop by itself can do little more tan gimp, really.. but i think | the great power that photoshop wields is the incredible amount of free | plugins available for it... | i mean you do not need to invest any more money than you did when you | bought it.. ( yeah, i'm aware gimp is free )and.. well.. i got more plugins | on it than i can count.. i mean it's just endless.. | | just so you get this, i made a backup on cd of my plugins folder.. | 700 mb out of 89 kb files... | | in my opinion, photoshop is above the gimp just for now.. | because it's so expandible.. | | .but anyhow, linux is just a newborn in multimedia stuff, because it | was not designed with that in mind.. was it? | | and i agree with whoever said ( don't remember now ) that that guy should | have brought the games issue up as well, and he would be right to do so.. | | about the article, i agree with it partially.. i'd twist the order | of that list a little, of course... in my opinion, if you | are going to use linux in an office, ms-office compatibility is vital, | not only for in-office use, but to send and receive from/to many places | that will surely be using the ms suite... | | | Damian | | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com | _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] clock keeping correct time?
Jonathan Dlouhy wrote: I'm running Mandrake 8.1. Every time I reboot the time on the clock is off by usually 8 hours. I reset it then if I have to reboot to go to Window$ then I have to set it again. It's not a big deal, but doesn anyone have an idea? Yes! ;-) And yes, the clock in the BIOS is set correctly. If you are brave, try looking at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/TimeInLinux. If nothing else it gives you the instruction for syncing your computer clock to a remote clock, which may be a quick and dirty way of (mostly) solving your problem, especially if you do it periodically (at every boot or via a cron task, not explained on that page). The page mentioned is from WikiLearn, a site dedicated to dealing with computer problems and learnings -- this page is definitely under construction and some of the explanations (under rants) are definitely inaccurate. Corrections gratefully accepted, and in fact, since it is a wiki page, you can register (at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration) and edit the page yourself. The reason I mention this page in it's very unfinished state is to solicit help in getting it finished and correct. At one time this was a hot issue for me, but currently, getting the page 100% correct is pretty far down on my todo list. Nevertheless, I think it could be helpful for others. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] video conferencing
I have set up video conferencing on windows machines but not linux. This was a college project from 2 years ago -- I'm not a pro -- that I set up videoconferencing among 4 homes over the Internet. But I did learn a few things. Are you using wine? Not sure which cameras would work with linux. Intel makes a decent camera -- it's the common one you see in the stores -- which is what we used. Aside from compatibility issues, I can offer some general advice. From all the reviews I read, there's not much difference in performance among the low-end cameras. More expensive cameras come with a pci card that increases performance, but it doesn't sound like you will need that. Most, if not all, low-end *new* cameras use usb. I think any new video camera will work fine, if you have usb on your linux machines. Some older cameras use the parallel port, but that is a slower interface and usb is much better. Another consideration is the connection between your computers. As long as your home network uses ethernet, you'll have plenty of bandwidth. I know that there are alternatives out there for home networking, but the more bandwidth you have the better. Even with a 56K modem with a good connection, you get decent results. But with ethernet (and good lighting, see below) you can get flawless videoconferencing. Since you're not going across the internet, fortunately, you won't have to worry about latency, which can be a problem when using microphones. For microphones, I suggest that you get the headset kind: the hand held mics tend to have an irritating echo side effect while you're talking (but that going across the internet, so it might not be bad in a home network). Still, those desktop mics on a stand are just a pain to use. Headsets are much better. A lot of people install linux on older pcs; not sure if that will work well with videoconferencing. I'd use at least a PIII or equivalent. but that's something you can try and see. Videoconferencing is very cpu intensive, so good video cards might are also in order. Don't use old computers with cheap videocards, like the computer I have linux installed on :). The cameras don't do the processing or display the images on your monitor. Low-end cameras really depend on the computer and the video card. Higher end cameras have pci cards to handle that, but you probably won't be buying those, so you probably can't use any old computers. We used Dell PIII 500s. And they were really working sometimes just to produce decent results, with nothing else running. I would imagine that you all will want to be able to do other things while videoconferencing, like surf the net, do work, etc. But that's something you can try and see. Maybe you'll get better results that I would expect. The last thing I can think of is something that people tend to not consider: your rooms' lighting. I found this to be a real problem in one of the home I set up. That person kept having really bad performance problems. The other 3 homes were fine. I found out that the problem was not the camera (after reinstalling everything a few times); the problem was the room's lighting. This person had bad lighting in their living room, where the computer with the camera was located. Low lighting increases the amount of work the computers' cpu must do in order to process the video coming in from the camera. Really bad lighting can slow the computer -- and the video of course -- down a crawl or even freeze the computer. So: 1. get usb cameras (most are probably usb now, anyway). 2. use ethernet (which you probably are) 3. have good lighting, not just a small lamp but really bright lighting. 4. use good computer equipment Mitch PS. I'm glad I finally had something to say on this list! You've helped me out before, Paul. I hope this helps you. Paul Rodríguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] om cc: Sent by: Subject: [newbie] video conferencing newbie-owner@linux-m andrake.com 03/07/02 08:44 AM
Re: [newbie] Do I need 2 NIC for connection sharing ?
Hanan Shargi wrote: If I'm to set the NIC IP in the first machine to have 192.168.0.1 address , then where does the IP that I'm given by the ISP gonna go ?!? and I dont have a DSL modem, the building is prewired for DSL, there is a cable that comes out of the phone jack on the wall, and this cable's other end goes into my NIC card. My ISP will win the prize for the worst tech support ever and they dont support WIN$ not to mention linux !! but here are the settings they gave me to set the DSL connection: my host name : hanan domain name: company.com gateway : 10.0.0.x 2 DNS IP's : and my static IP: 10.0.0.xx and thats about it SO where do I go from here ?? Hanan, I know you've received several replies to this, some contradictory, and you've now ordered another NIC. That's fine, AFAIK, but this is a confusing setup and possibly easier to handle than some have suggested (and possibly not) -- it depends on exactly what your ISP has setup. If your system is set up as I suspect, the second NIC will not help you and you eventually will need a hub (or switch -- more discussion below). If you want to experiment until you get the second NIC, consider setting up one computer at a time, and see if you can make them each work separately. Since the ISP is giving you a gateway address, I'm assuming he has something set up as a gateway. This is reinforced because the IP he has given you for the static IP is a private address (not on the public Internet). Thus the setup he is using is something like what I am using at home. I happen to own the gateway computer (at 192.168.0.10) and can set up up to 254 computers on my private LAN using addresses like 192.168.0.x -- they will all have access to the Internet (via the gateway) but they cannot act as servers to the Internet. (I think there are ways to do that, but I've never bothered). (The difference between your ISP's setup and mine is that I've chosen to use the private address range at 192.168.x.x, your ISP has chosen to use the (larger) range at 10.x.x.x.) If you can get each computer to work separately, then, IMHO, your best bet is to ask the ISP to assign you a second static address (in the 10.0.0.xx range) for the second computer. Then the last problem is to get both computers connected to the cable coming out of the wall. (At home I use coax, which means I can do this without a hub or switch. Yes, I'll use those terms in the same sentence, because in some cases they serve the same (or similar) purpose, and right now, my brain is not functioning well enough to decide whether this is one of those cases of not.) To be safe (because I haven't thought through whether a switch will do the job), I'd recommend a hub -- connect the RJ-45 from the wall and RJ-45s from each computer to peer ports on the hub (not uplink), in each case using a straight through cable, not a crossover (because the hub serves as a crossover). There is a chance that the RJ-45 supplied by the ISP is already a crossover, in which case you need to replace it with a non-crossover cable. (And, if I was thinking better, it's possible that you can use the crossover cable by connecting it to the uplink port.) I guess the reason I bring this all up is because I'm afraid that a second NIC will not solve your problem -- with the setup you've described so far, you are not quite in the traditional share an Internet connection scenario. You are behind a gateway, and the gateway is inherently sharing the Internet. It's also possible that you have two ISPs to deal with, so to speak. Surely, there is an ISP somewhere that is making the connection available to the Internet. It's possible that your landlord, separate from the ISP, has set up the gateway in your building, and, even if he's done it with permission of the ISP, not everyone at the ISP may understand the setup you are working under. Thus, for example, I don't know if your ISP needs to give you another static IP or you need to get it from your landlord. (You could even try a number at random, but there is a chance that you will pick a number used by someone else in your building and just create more problems (potentially in the future, if that person is not currently using their connection). Sorry if this seems a little disjointed, I'm rushing a little bit this morning, and am definitely not a networking expert. I do know how my home system works, and the (possible) analogy to your system seems obvious to me. If you have questions post again. Maybe someone else can understand what I'm trying to say and say it more clearly. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Toshiba tecra800 Networking
I just installed Mandrake 8.1 on a Toshiba Tecra8000. I have a Xircom RealPort Ethernet 10/100 PCMCIA network card. I have not been able to get neworking up on this machine. I have gone through the setup process and configured networking much the same way that I have my other machines and they are working fine. The problem is a bit odd. If I ping another machine from the Tecra I can see the lights flashing on the hub for the Tecra and for the machine I am trying to ping. It seems like packets are being sent out just fine but are not getting back. If I try to ping the Tecra from another machine the Tecra doesn't respond. The light on the hub doesn't flash for the Tecra. Could someone give me some advice? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] video conferencing
On Monday 11 March 2002 09:36, you wrote: I have set up video conferencing on windows machines but not linux. This was a college project from 2 years ago -- I'm not a pro -- that I set up videoconferencing among 4 homes over the Internet. But I did learn a few things. Are you using wine? Not sure which cameras would work with linux. Intel makes a decent camera -- it's the common one you see in the stores -- which is what we used. Aside from compatibility issues, I can offer some general advice. From all the reviews I read, there's not much difference in performance among the low-end cameras. More expensive cameras come with a pci card that increases performance, but it doesn't sound like you will need that. Most, if not all, low-end *new* cameras use usb. I think any new video camera will work fine, if you have usb on your linux machines. Some older cameras use the parallel port, but that is a slower interface and usb is much better. I always suggest a wintv card and your home video cam. by far the best color and speed, and you can use the same setup to save your home movies to cd, with a CDwriter. Another consideration is the connection between your computers. As long as your home network uses ethernet, you'll have plenty of bandwidth. I know that there are alternatives out there for home networking, but the more bandwidth you have the better. Even with a 56K modem with a good connection, you get decent results. But with ethernet (and good lighting, see below) you can get flawless videoconferencing. Since you're not going across the internet, fortunately, you won't have to worry about latency, which can be a problem when using microphones. For microphones, I suggest that you get the headset kind: the hand held mics tend to have an irritating echo side effect while you're talking (but that going across the internet, so it might not be bad in a home network). Still, those desktop mics on a stand are just a pain to use. Headsets are much better. A lot of people install linux on older pcs; not sure if that will work well with videoconferencing. I'd use at least a PIII or equivalent. but that's something you can try and see. Videoconferencing is very cpu intensive, so good video cards might are also in order. Don't use old computers with cheap videocards, like the computer I have linux installed on :). The cameras don't do the processing or display the images on your monitor. Low-end cameras really depend on the computer and the video card. Higher end cameras have pci cards to handle that, but you probably won't be buying those, so you probably can't use any old computers. We used Dell PIII 500s. And they were really working sometimes just to produce decent results, with nothing else running. I would imagine that you all will want to be able to do other things while videoconferencing, like surf the net, do work, etc. But that's something you can try and see. Maybe you'll get better results that I would expect. The last thing I can think of is something that people tend to not consider: your rooms' lighting. I found this to be a real problem in one of the home I set up. That person kept having really bad performance problems. The other 3 homes were fine. I found out that the problem was not the camera (after reinstalling everything a few times); the problem was the room's lighting. This person had bad lighting in their living room, where the computer with the camera was located. Low lighting increases the amount of work the computers' cpu must do in order to process the video coming in from the camera. Really bad lighting can slow the computer -- and the video of course -- down a crawl or even freeze the computer. So: 1. get usb cameras (most are probably usb now, anyway). 2. use ethernet (which you probably are) 3. have good lighting, not just a small lamp but really bright lighting. 4. use good computer equipment Mitch PS. I'm glad I finally had something to say on this list! You've helped me out before, Paul. I hope this helps you. Paul Rodríguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] om cc: Sent by: Subject: [newbie] video conferencing newbie-owner@linux-m andrake.com 03/07/02 08:44 AM Please respond to newbie What programs are people using (or know about) for video-conferencing? I am setting up Mandrake computers for my whole family and would like to set up some video-conferencing for us. I need an easy and convenient way to set up a video-conferencing connection with Linux and non-unix users. Any help would be greatly appreciated. - Paul Rodriguez _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
| On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 11:34:55AM +0100, Kaj Haulrich wrote: | Indeed, thinking that Linux needs PhotoShop, man what do you think the | GIMP does? Clearly not well researched as the only thing PhotoShop does | that GIMP doesn't yet is CYMK colour - that's coming though. | I think the point's being missed here. Yes, GIMP will do most of the things that Photoshop does, but is it as familiar and as widely used as Photoshop? Photoshop has become a very well known, accepted standard, for image editing. Being used on Macs as well PCs. I know quite a few people who started out just playing with Photoshop for the hell of it, then turned into Photoshop gurus. For all I know that's possible and true with GIMP, but who do you know that doesn't know about Photoshop? When it comes down to it, it's what are people used to and comfortable using? And if Linux were get Photoshop, it could take over more of the PC market. I think most would agree with that. tdh -- T. Holmes | UNIXTECHS.org | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | UIN: 17021091 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
On Monday 11 March 2002 10:03, you wrote: On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 10:30:04AM +, Rick [Kitty5] wrote: What do you think StarOffice and OpenOffice do? I haven't found a ppt,xls, or doc file that it can't read yet, keeping the format intact. There is more to word docs than just the text and its formatting. Once you have grasped that you will realise that NON of the linux wordprocessors open word docs to anything more than the most basic standard. B$ - OpenOffice and StarOffice work 99% of the time on more than basic .doc,xls and ppt files. That's the experience of more than just I. there is more folks spreading FUD for M$ than anything more than the most basic standard. too IMHO Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Do I need 2 NIC for connection sharing ?
Hanan Shargi wrote: Randy Wrote : with the setup you described so far, you are not quite in the traditional share an internet connection scenario. You are behind a gateway, and the gateway is inherently sharing the internet. BINGO !! This is EXACTLY what's been mkaing me go in circles here, since I knew from the 10.0.0.x IP they gave me and from the fact that I just plug the rj45 to the wall which makes it obviously like an office environment == we in the building are on a LAN and the gateway ( which they say is running Linux by the way ) is giving us a way out to the internet !! Thats why whenever I read the howtos and tutorils on the net I feel that for somereason I cant apply it in my case ## SO Finally If I may rephrase the question here: How do I connect my small LAN ( of 2 pc's ) to the bigger LAN ( the buildin's ) to make the smaller LAN see the internet ?! BOY it took me more than 15 msgs just to ask the correct question ... talk about newbies !! - Hanan AL-Shargi If it was me - yes i'd use two NICs. One to the building LAN / internet One to the other computer/s That way you can test each seperately. - ie you can get your linux box talking to the lan as client and to the other box as server/gateway. Set each systen up individually so they work then see if you can get the server passing through the net to the other box/s. By the way it is recommended to use different NICs so that it doesn't confuse linux. And a second NIC is cheaper than a hub or is it? Michael -- NT (as in Windows NT) is short for Nasty Technology. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] alias problem
Okay, let's back up here a second.
1) If you want ot add an alias, let's do this right.
a) Edit your ~/.bashrc, adding this line at the very bottom
of the file:
source ~/.aliases
2) Create your ~/.aliases by opening your favorite editor.
vim ~/.aliases
alias l=ls -alF --color=yes |more
** note **
An alias will work with quotes () or an apostrophe (').
This is the correct way about doing this. Use this method before you start
editing /etc/profile, or /etc/bashrc. The reason for this is that those files
access another file that you didn't seem to know about, and it's reading those
files first, since they're higher in the pecking order.
At a prompt, type this command: type l
$ type l
l is aliased to `ls'
It's already alisted to that. Editing my ~/.aliases to reflect the line of:
alias l=ls -alF --color=yes |more
$ source ~/.aliases
$ type l
l is aliased to `ls -alF --color=yes |more'
It's reading my ~/.aliases, which is what YOU want, and is behaving as it should.
So you know, these bash aliases are stored in /etc/profile.d/alias.sh. That's where
the aliases for rm -i and more are kept. I would not suggest editing those. If you
don't like those things, change them in your ~/.aliases, but leave the sytem wide
settings as they are.
SO... the reason why l is still giving you ls output is because you've edited the
wrong file and added your aliases. Follow steps 1 and 2 above and your problem will
be fixed.
tdh
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Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
On Monday 11 March 2002 02:48, you wrote: about the taking or not taking on M$ .. don't you think that all those people ( i.e. me ) that leave windows and use linux are growing in number because of this kind of competition? M$ has blown away every single competitor till now, using incredibly agressive, unfair and probably illegal methods. they are scared, of course, because linux does not depend on a single company and thus there is no clear enemy to crush. but playing Ghandi is not going to help us, either. M$ is not giving away any territory, and if linux is going to grow, it will be by taking it out of them. I Dis-agree, the very best thing for GNU linux is MS lic. schemes, that is (and will be) driving people and companies to GNU-Linux. without M$ driving businesses away, GNU-Linux would not have a prayer. (Linus said the very best thing he has going for him is that he is not Bill Gates) and of course, much of this has to do with advertising and media in general. M$ with their FUD stuff, linux with our we are getting so much better stuff. i'm not entirely sure i'm making myself clear, i guess i'm too sleepy to think right .. :oP How is it better? Please name one thing I can't do in GIMP that you can in PShop, other than doing CMYK separations. Don't forget also to factor in that PhotoShop isn't free. well, ... i could make a list of every single plug-in .. but it could take years. i'm not saying gimp can't do this or that, it's just that PS's got a plug for everithing and it just makes it easier *** stop *** - let's try not to make a Gimp Vs. PS here... i'll drop this part of the discussion. it could be endless. oh and one more thing.. yeah i know that very few OS's were designed with multimedia in mind, but what i wanted to say is, linux was, as far as i can see ( someone with more knowledge will correct me here if needed ) built from the ground up to be a very stable and secure system, and over the years of development all the other stuff, from GUI installs to the Gimp and freeamp ... just grew afterwards. and this is not the case with windows, which is almost pure GUI ( wanna call it bloat? ok! let's call it that :o) Well I don't get your point, before windoze there was DOS. shrug my point is down here. i think it was civileme that said something like linux was not made with sound system in mind and it uses very little bandwidth for sound eventswell, this is exactly what i mean. i was just not built that way. of course this will change, and i think it will be soon enough. True, but the kernel can evolve. I find sound working just fine, but then I don't use bloated window managers like KDE that screw up more than they help out. ... after all, linux is about choice, huh? at least that's the feeling i got. i like this kind of discussion very much. i find them educative :oP please keep replying :o) nod However, I think I've had too much caffeine to-day, had a heavy workload to do, and well I think I over did it. It's 1:30am here, I have to work bright n early tomorrow and I can't sleep, 'casue I'm still on a caffeine induced bz. Excuse the rant. (:' ok, we can leave it for tomorrow ;oP ( it's 04:30 AM here. ) Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] alias problem
I have made an alias in /etc/bashrc, $HOME/.bashrc and $HOME/.bash_profile as given below alias l=ls -alF --color=yes |more this doesn't give the desired/actual result as given in command line. I'm no expert but I'd figure that you would have to tell it which colour otherwise it could be any of 64 million colours I guess. Else how is it going to know what colour? No, thats not what it means at all. The color=yes means that whenever you do a ls it will use the colours defined in /etc/DIR_COLORS to determine what colour to make files, dirs, links, etc. H Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reality STILL intrudes: the geek factor persists
On Monday 11 March 2002 13:04 pm After a lifetime spent studying flat-pack furniture assembly instructions [EMAIL PROTECTED],finally published his translation to a waiting world as :- : Hi folks, I'm bck! Nothing much seems to have changed.. (sigh) Big Snip Linux in ANY flavour is a nightmare for the non-geek. The solution to getting Linux out there in any meaningful way is to consider the logistics: 1. Nobody installs their own OS in the real world. The PC is delivered - delivered with Doze already installed AND with a suite, typically. I'd agree but only to a point, software written for Windows is regularly updated and a lot of people feel the need to upgrade, e,g, Word/Excel95 to Office97 to Office2000, likewise with non-MS software such as Photoshop. Similarly hardware gets upgraded or replaced due to breakages, by this I am thinking of printers/scanners etc which today are almost consumables All of this requires the user to re-configure (in it's broadest sense) their Windows installation, sometimes even from day1. for example a work colleague who describes herself as computer illiterate has just bought a new PC, it has Windows installed but as she already owns a printer she has to install it herself. 2. The Mandrake distro is now up to 8.4. [8.2 but whose counting :-)] The problems are at exactly the same level as they were when I bought Mandrake's first offering. My last try was M8.0. I have tried every one and NEVER got a useful working system. ( Also everybody else's Redhat SUSE etc.) Never had sound, or CD's, or a decent Office suite(lousy font displays), or decent sane, Printing. Same as most people out there today.. I have to disagree, I started with Caldera 1.2 (IIRC) and it took me about a week to get it up and running and needed me to search out old components such as graphics cards, printers etc which were supported, new ones simply would not work as they were too new to be supported, secondhand was the only way. Today the graphical installer is in my opinion as easy if not easier than Windows98 installation (I have no experience of any newer MS products) and even my USB scanner worked with a minimal amount of tweaking, which I accept did require me to be at least a bit of a geek, but this is my scanner which is quite new and no doubt within a release or two it will work out of the box, while other models already work. Sound works, CD-RW work out of the box. As for office suites, I am not really competent to comment as I don't use them in an office environment but as a home user the ones available are fully useable for my purposes. Another snip too save bandwidth THAT is where I am finally going. a) find *known to work* specs - Mb, SC, VC, etc etc. Put the box together. b) install Win4lin so I can keep my beloved Frontpage98, VoiceXpress, Lotus Smartsuite and stop fooling around with enormous NEW learning curves instead of making money!! c) Enjoy the best of both worlds! I bought Frontpage to enable me to maintain my partners's company's website, it's now redundant because the tools are available either graphically or in the form of HTML editing packages to enable me to do the job from my Linux box. With regard to the enormous learning curve, I agree it is steep but any new product has a learning curve, whether it be Linux, Windows (witness the difficulties a lot of people appear to be having with Windows XP with older hardware/software) or even getting to grips with new domestic appliances such as VCRs microwaves (this is not a facetious comment I am thinking of the difficulties experienced by my partner's parents when they recently moved house and needed to set up their TVs and VCRs) Similarly, they bought a telephone which is e mail equipped and despite a fairly straightforward handbook and a menu driven system of operation, they found it extremely difficult to use for about a month and needed to refer to me for help. NOW: Is there anyone out there who has done something like this? Setup a low-cost box (built-in sound,video sort of thing)? A businessperson - not a command-line freak? Someone, was it Dell ? do/did this. I WANT to use the GUI. If we can't do it via the GUI something is terribly wrong with the interface or something.really - after all this time and attempts. Someone who insists on not suffering the inanities of programs written by very strange people all over again and who has installed Win4lin? Maybe even got ViaVoice going? ( Came with M8.0 Big Retail Box I never got it to go) Yes, I got ViaVoice to work There! My hypothesis and Xmas wish all at once. HINT: It is 10 times harder to convert to a different system of operation than it is to start with one. Why bother? A!!! But geeks LOVE it! They love the strain, the pain, the anguish, the slow, inching forward in great danger... the non-physical equals of the nutters who climb high rocks.
Re: [newbie] alias problem
| Okay, let's back up here a second.
|
| 1) If you want ot add an alias, let's do this right.
|
| a) Edit your ~/.bashrc, adding this line at the very bottom
| of the file:
|
| source ~/.aliases
|
| 2) Create your ~/.aliases by opening your favorite editor.
|
| vim ~/.aliases
| alias l=ls -alF --color=yes |more
|
| ** note **
| An alias will work with quotes () or an apostrophe (').
|
| This is the correct way about doing this. Use this method before you start
| editing /etc/profile, or /etc/bashrc. The reason for this is that those files
| access another file that you didn't seem to know about, and it's reading those
| files first, since they're higher in the pecking order.
Sorry, one more comment. Once you've done this, source your ~/.aliases, either
of the two lines will do that for you
. ~/.aliases
source ~/.aliases
I forget a step. So make that step 3.
tdh
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Re: [newbie] descent3 demo install
Stojs wrote: I downloaded the descent3 demo, it is a file called descent3-demo-x86.run. How do I run it? When I click it nothing happens. Thanks in advance, Stojs From a shell type in sh descent3-demo-x86.run, and you might have to do it as root to access the various places its going to install stuff... (I'd try my normal user first, and see if I got any errors). Hope this helps! ;-) PS Descent is a great game! -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] gaim - I did it - here's how :-))
- Original Message - From: FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] gaim - I did it - here's how :-)) Ya but he may remember my names Heather too ;p Is why I use Femme instead. Keeps me easier to find in a list of names. And its my Quake 3 name. Really? Mine's bfgqueen :- I'll keep an eye out - I thought I might try installing the linux version soon! H Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] network md8.1 w/ w2k for lan and internet
ya'll will have to type real slow because I am from deep in the piney woods of east texas and can't read very fast. In fact so far back in the woods that chickens wear overalls. I have a toshiba cable modem that uses usb (mandrake set it up and it works. Yea!). I have a nic and with a crossed cat5 to my w2k machine (no hub). I want for the w2k machine to be able to get to the internet. With very little knowledge on the subject, what should I do. Thanks Rick Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
(Linus said the very best thing he has going for him is that he is not Bill Gates) Linus also said 'I am you're God' .. -- Rick Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News Resources - http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x231E1CEA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Samba networking VMware
Dear All, I have vmware 2.04 operating my guest Win95 in LM 8.1. I have studied Samba and I am using the vmware samba for my networking setup. I finally have it set up so that I can go to Win95(vmware guest) and open and work with my Linux files. However, I have not been able to view my Windows95 files on my Linux Host. Can this be done from Komba 2 and/or from Windows Shares? I am not sure how to operate these for mounting Windows shares. I have been reading up on it all but have not found anything yet that explains how to use these gui's to view guest operating system's files, namely Win95. Any help here will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Marcia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reality STILL intrudes: the geek factor persists
On Monday 11 March 2002 19:55, poogle wrote: [snippets] I'd agree but only to a point, software written for Windows is regularly updated and a lot of people feel the need to upgrade, e,g, Word/Excel95 to Office97 to Office2000, likewise with non-MS software such as Photoshop. Similarly hardware gets upgraded or replaced due to breakages, by this I am thinking of printers/scanners etc which today are almost consumables All of this requires the user to re-configure (in it's broadest sense) their Windows installation, sometimes even from day1. for example a work colleague who describes herself as computer illiterate has just bought a new PC, it has Windows installed but as she already owns a printer she has to install it herself. Tell me about it. Yesterday I moved the office printer/scanner from one doze box to another. Took me over an hour to get everything working normally (that's not counting the time it took to download the drivers), and this on a system I'd set up myself. Anyone who thinks Linux networking is complicated should try the vagaries of MS Network Neighborhood. 2. The Mandrake distro is now up to 8.4. [8.2 but whose counting :-)] The problems are at exactly the same level as they were when I bought Mandrake's first offering. My last try was M8.0. I have tried every one and NEVER got a useful working system. ( Also everybody else's Redhat SUSE etc.) Never had sound, or CD's, or a decent Office suite(lousy font displays), or decent sane, Printing. Same as most people out there today.. I have to disagree, I started with Caldera 1.2 (IIRC) and it took me about a week to get it up and running and needed me to search out old components such as graphics cards, printers etc which were supported, new ones simply would not work as they were too new to be supported, secondhand was the only way. Today the graphical installer is in my opinion as easy if not easier than Windows98 installation (I have no experience of any newer MS products) and even my USB scanner worked with a minimal amount of tweaking, which I accept did require me to be at least a bit of a geek, but this is my scanner which is quite new and no doubt within a release or two it will work out of the box, while other models already work. Sound works, CD-RW work out of the box. As for office suites, I am not really competent to comment as I don't use them in an office environment but as a home user the ones available are fully useable for my purposes. Same experience. I started with RH 6.0 and it took me over a week and a lot of mailing and RTFM to hack the XF86Config file to get a devent display with my card. Mandrake from 7.2 onwards has worked perfectly with my not-terribly-standard hardware. I should say, though, that traffic on mailing lists could be reduced by including sndconfig in the installation program, or at least putting in something on the last installation screen informing the newbie user that they need to do it. or even getting to grips with new domestic appliances such as VCRs microwaves (this is not a facetious comment I am thinking of the difficulties experienced by my partner's parents when they recently moved house and needed to set up their TVs and VCRs) Similarly, they bought a telephone which is e mail equipped and despite a fairly straightforward handbook and a menu driven system of operation, they found it extremely difficult to use for about a month and needed to refer to me for help. Hey, no OS has given me as much grief as the tangle of boxes and wires that make up my, er, home entertainment system! HINT: It is 10 times harder to convert to a different system of operation than it is to start with one. Why bother? A!!! But geeks LOVE it! They love the strain, the pain, the anguish, the slow, inching forward in great danger... the non-physical equals of the nutters who climb high rocks. Not neccessarily, I find it harder now to solve Windows based problems than I do Linux ones, I think it's a question of familiarity with the tools you are using. I also find that when I have a problem with Linux and manage to solve it, I generally learn something useful. When I solve a problem with Windows, it's like Duh, well _that_ seemed to work. Hope it doesn't do it again. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] 8.1 install error /tmp/imm.o no such device
I am trying to install 8.1 from distrib cdroms and i have such messages when I get to the try config: /tmp/imm.o no such device /tmp/ppa.o no such device and system hangs. if I reboot linux boots but hangs on login or blinks on login video card config seems okay - S3savage screen is a lcd monitor acer FP563 and should support various resolutions I have tried in install I have asked for X 4. thanks for help trying to install on my friend's pc (trying to add another..) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
On Monday 11 March 2002 17:05, Zlatko Savic wrote: I think there is a great divide among current linux users. Some want to see linux become commercialized so that the average Joe can use linux as if it was winblows and they make every attempt to market linux as a great OS (I am such a person). But the other linux party highly disagrees, those are the people who want to (and like to) struggle to get the cd-burner, modem, soundcard, scanner,etc working. it would be NO FUN if you'd get everything spoon-fed to you. But this is exactly necessary for linux in order to dominate the OS world. I have to admit that one of the things I like about Linux is the ability to mess around with the innards of my system and learn interesting stuff that may one day be useful. However, I do not like struggling to get my hardware working, and don't think anyone else does. Hardware compatibility problems generally arise because writing device drivers is a long, difficult and usually dull process. Fortunately, an increasing number of hardware manufacturers are co-operating with, or actively supporting the open source community in this area, so such problems should become a thing of the past. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: ximian gnome
*wonders what I can throw Rick* Go die! I didn't ask for your input :P Maybe I'm doing something wrong? Oh right, I opened your post :) Femme Rick [Kitty5] wrote: I've started to agree Shane. Gnome just keeps pissing me off. for me its the other way round, gnome is perfect duck -- Rick Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
Thats not a stick Rick, thats a tree trunk. :) Femme Rick [Kitty5] wrote: So (beat me with a stick) I have to have a Windows box right here next to my Linux box. VMWare :) -- Rick Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
Must congratulate you, I believe you're right on the money my dear. Heather Reed wrote: So (beat me with a stick) I have to have a Windows box right here next to my Linux box. Hope I've got the right poster here :-)) As a total linux newbie I will add my two pennorth - I work as a coordinator and support person for housebound people - repairing pcs, getting them on the net etc etc. Whatever the level of skill, everyone here on this list is, by default, either a full blown 'techie' of some sort or an enthusiast who wants to learn more about OS innards. I would go further and say that everyone with a linux PC falls more or less in those categories. And if we weren't we wouldn't enjoy beating ourselves over the head with this OS I think. The day I can take a linux box round to one of my clients, and say 'there you go, you can get on and install your games/ISP/favourite app..' and leave them to it is the day linux will have blown windows away. I've been at it for a week and still haven't sussed how to get 2 way communication going between linux and windows, and learning this OS is going to take a hell of a lot of reading, swearing and sleepless nights :-)) I'm loving every minute of rediscovering my own stupidity, but I am not the average computer owner, and neither are any of you! See!??? Damn, am I prescient or what ;P I suspect that nearly all of us have 2 pcs at least running both windows and linux (apologies for sweeping statement :-)). Mr and Mrs Average have just one, and whats more, they want to turn it on, do their thing, turn it off and forget about it. Giving them linux would be rather like chucking them an unprogrammed cisco router and saying 'off you go and connect to the net!' Heather So true. *sigh* Had something similar done to me. It was called windows 95 after a 5 year gap w/out a PC. Oh the headaches! FF Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] programs running on wine
NP. Now help me fix my own probs! :) Femme Paul_Vortex wrote: Thankyou Femme! PV. - Original Message - From: FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] programs running on wine Browse in a Filemanager to /root, then I believe /mnt, then the windows drive letter *mine are kind of mixed up*. Do same thing from a command line. There have been tons of threads on this lately, just look at the archives for this list. Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
Sorry to cut your post by 3/4 but the rest is irrelevant. You've said it all right here. :) A true activist/anarchist in the making. Well said Sir. Femme Zlatko Savic wrote: I think there is a great divide among current linux users. Some want to see linux become commercialized so that the average Joe can use linux as if it was winblows and they make every attempt to market linux as a great OS (I am such a person). But the other linux party highly disagrees, those are the people who want to (and like to) struggle to get the cd-burner, modem, soundcard, scanner,etc working. it would be NO FUN if you'd get everything spoon-fed to you. But this is exactly necessary for linux in order to dominate the OS world. LINUX CAN DOMINATE BUT DOESN'T WANT TO. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
I hate to debate. However you're sucking me in. *Sigh* shane wrote: the real point here is that you can have the full KDE or the CL only and about 20 flavors in between. how many can you get on most other operating systems? ok now how many of those come with it? Yes I'll agree with that. But I still contend its not easy to do or setup properly for the avg user. I disregard 4 year olds, they know nothing, ergo they have nothing to learn but what you present to them. IOW, we've got habits as adults need to sometimes re-learn. It's tough. really it is, you just have to be totally new. i never could get the second graders i taught linux to understand why they had to know there was a c drive and a d drive and that the d drive on one machine is a CD and on another it the CD is e and... see above :) a _very_ large part of that is the install. if you could walk into your local compfryusacityeletric superstore and try out a few windows, a few linux and maybe a bsd before you buy, and go home with it all installed, huge parts of that would go away. Doubtful, and the install is not the largest problem. The largest problem is the way *Nix was evolved. It wasn't meant to be anything but a distributed computing environment. So it was not meant either to be used by anything but gurus. Configuration use aren't easy on Linux. Maybe that will change. I hope so. I mean, why do I have to edit a cfg file in *nix to get a modem to HUP NOHUP properly(If that's a good example?). My point...I can't even give a decent example because this OS is not intuitive. Granted M$'s isn't either in some ways, however they at least *attempt* to make it so, and do well at it for the most part. I'll leave the IRQ conflicts installation problems out of this. That's normal for any OS. Either way, we all will use the programs/software we find best for us. optimist! :-) Ya ya, sue me ;) I am, always will be. Life's too good not to be. Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OK New Q, OT Small Linux! ;)
Yes yes, stop groaning, I haven't even asked yet! :) From the README: Q: How do I get images onto diskettes? A: Make sure both root and boot diskettes are formated 1.44 dd if=root of=/dev/fd0 where root equals file name of the root image as stored on your system. Is that the only way to put the images onto diskette? Can I do it from a windows machine? THX Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] descent3 demo install
Only with a SPOrb (Space Orb, out of business now I believe :() Femme Ronald J. Hall wrote: PS Descent is a great game! -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] gaim - I did it - here's how :-))
*S* Very cool nick. :P I don't play much anymore, but should you wish to play, email me. I'm always interested in playing with other women, we're too few. And I don't get hit on by them as much (oh i wish? :) Femme Heather Reed wrote: - Original Message - From: FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] gaim - I did it - here's how :-)) Ya but he may remember my names Heather too ;p Is why I use Femme instead. Keeps me easier to find in a list of names. And its my Quake 3 name. Really? Mine's bfgqueen :- I'll keep an eye out - I thought I might try installing the linux version soon! H Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] network md8.1 w/ w2k for lan and internet
Pray? Sorry I have no other answer other than a facetious one ;) FF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ya'll will have to type real slow because I am from deep in the piney woods of east texas and can't read very fast. In fact so far back in the woods that chickens wear overalls. I have a toshiba cable modem that uses usb (mandrake set it up and it works. Yea!). I have a nic and with a crossed cat5 to my w2k machine (no hub). I want for the w2k machine to be able to get to the internet. With very little knowledge on the subject, what should I do. Thanks Rick Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
Doubtful, and the install is not the largest problem. The largest problem is the way *Nix was evolved. It wasn't meant to be anything but a distributed computing environment. So it was not meant either to be used by anything but gurus. Configuration use aren't easy on Linux. Maybe that will change. I hope so. Huh? This already has already changed--quite drastically, I think. Everything hooked up to my Linux box works fine including sound, video, printing, networking, and CD burning, and I never once touched a config file! The only config files I mess with are server files. When it comes to just getting the computer to work, I'd have to say that messing with config files is the -exception- rather than the rule. I mean, why do I have to edit a cfg file in *nix to get a modem to HUP NOHUP properly(If that's a good example?). I don't have a modem in my Linux box, so I really don't know how tough it is to get one to work. Neverthless, even if it is tough, it's still the exception. My point...I can't even give a decent example because this OS is not intuitive. Granted M$'s isn't either in some ways, however they at least *attempt* to make it so, and do well at it for the most part. I'd have to disagree because I think this is a learn/relearn issue. Setting up a video card, for example, is really no more intuitive in Winsux than it is in Linux, and I see this all the time whilst consulting. All my clients use Winsux, and not one of them could tell you how to even change the screen resolution. I think it just seems more intuitive because most people learn the M$ method first. Miark P.S. I hope no Mandrake developers are reading this--I think they'd take great exception to the idea that they don't even attempt to make things easy. I understand it's one of their driving goals! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Where are the sources???
Hey everyone, I downloaded MD 8.1 (all 3 cds) recently but i noticed a backdraw...the source rpms for my apps are missing. I checked the rpms on all 3 cds and the only source i found was apache source. Isn't it required by the GPL and all the other licenses to INCLUDE source codes in the the distro cd? Correct me if I am wrong. Regards, Zlatko Savic --- Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. - Antoine de Saint Exupery __ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Re: [expert] I have no CD mount entry on my desktop
How can I get the CD mounting icon/utility on to my desktop? I had reformat the drive that had my home directory, when I made a new user the desktop is now missing the CDrom mounter. right click on the Desktop, choose create new -- CDRM drive. fill in the info, ( name of the shortcut, and in the final tab, the device that it refers to. i.e. /dev/hdb ) that's about it! Damian --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] fpversion
Hi, Unix has a real nice command called fpversion that gives you information on your system from a terminal. I'm guessing there is a version of this for Linux, but I can't find it. Where can I obtain a copy? Which package is it in? Thanks, Paul __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] programs running on wine
FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... NP. Now help me fix my own probs! :) Femme HA!... If they *aren't* Linux related, then there might be a hope in hell I could help you out! :o) -PV. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
On Tuesday 12 March 2002 01:42, Miark wrote: Doubtful, and the install is not the largest problem. The largest problem is the way *Nix was evolved. It wasn't meant to be anything but a distributed computing environment. So it was not meant either to be used by anything but gurus. Configuration use aren't easy on Linux. Maybe that will change. I hope so. Miark is right - it already has. I've used Windows from 3.1 to 98, RedHat 6.* and Mandrake from 7.0 on. Mandrake 8.* is the easiest OS I've ever worked with (big thanks to the Mandrake development team). When it comes to just getting the computer to work, I'd have to say that messing with config files is the -exception- rather than the rule. IMHO, it used to be the rule; now it's the exception. I mean, why do I have to edit a cfg file in *nix to get a modem to HUP NOHUP properly(If that's a good example?). I don't have a modem in my Linux box, so I really don't know how tough it is to get one to work. Neverthless, even if it is tough, it's still the exception. It would have to be a pretty weird modem not to run kppp out of the box. My point...I can't even give a decent example because this OS is not intuitive. Granted M$'s isn't either in some ways, however they at least *attempt* to make it so, and do well at it for the most part. I'd have to disagree because I think this is a learn/relearn issue. Setting up a video card, for example, is really no more intuitive in Winsux than it is in Linux, and I see this all the time whilst consulting. All my clients use Winsux, and not one of them could tell you how to even change the screen resolution. I think it just seems more intuitive because most people learn the M$ method first. I couldn't agree more. MS is sometimes amazingly counter-intuitive, but they've convinced people that computers are like that. Take clicking on icons - lots of people in my office are still stuck in Win95 mode, and reflexively double-click an icon in KDE, thus opening two instances of the same program. And when it doesn't open immediately, they keep clicking - the record is 16 instances of Netscape (which is such a RAM-hog that the computer slowed so much I couldn't move the mouse to close them and had to do Ctrl-Esc and have a coffee while I waited for the window to come up). But I don't blame people - unlearning is always more difficult than learning. When I was teaching t'ai chi, the students who drove me crazy were generally not the martial arts newbies with no flexibility or co-ordination, but the ones who'd done karate. No matter how often I said Relax! Drop your shoulders! Don't lock your knees!, the muscle memory was still there. If developers want to make interfaces more user-friendly, instead of trying to mimic Windows, they might be better off looking at Macintosh. I've never had a Mac, but I have never, ever heard a Mac user complain about Macs (even those Windows users who refuse to consider any other OS still bitch about Windows - except they think they're bitching about computers in general). Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fpversion
Paul, Try the command uname -a standard bsd unix command. Output from SunOs is as below. SunOS servername 5.6 Generic_105181-28 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-4 David Cooper Senior Computer Systems Officer Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: 08 9486 3157 Fax : 08 9486 3162 This correspondence is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information or both. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose, copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. Pauljames Dimitriu [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/03/02 8:16:06 Hi, Unix has a real nice command called fpversion that gives you information on your system from a terminal. I'm guessing there is a version of this for Linux, but I can't find it. Where can I obtain a copy? Which package is it in? Thanks, Paul __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
On Monday 11 March 2002 18:04, you wrote: I hate to debate. However you're sucking me in. *Sigh* shane wrote: the real point here is that you can have the full KDE or the CL only and about 20 flavors in between. how many can you get on most other operating systems? ok now how many of those come with it? Yes I'll agree with that. But I still contend its not easy to do or setup properly for the avg user. I disregard 4 year olds, they know nothing, ergo they have nothing to learn but what you present to them. IOW, we've got habits as adults need to sometimes re-learn. It's tough. really it is, you just have to be totally new. i never could get the second graders i taught linux to understand why they had to know there was a c drive and a d drive and that the d drive on one machine is a CD and on another it the CD is e and... see above :) a _very_ large part of that is the install. if you could walk into your local compfryusacityeletric superstore and try out a few windows, a few linux and maybe a bsd before you buy, and go home with it all installed, huge parts of that would go away. Doubtful, and the install is not the largest problem. The largest problem is the way *Nix was evolved. It wasn't meant to be anything but a distributed computing environment. So it was not meant either to be used by anything but gurus. Configuration use aren't easy on Linux. Maybe that will change. I hope so. I mean, why do I have to edit a cfg file in *nix to get a modem to HUP NOHUP properly(If that's a good example?). My point...I can't even give a decent example because this OS is not intuitive. can I butt in here? no machine can be considered to be intuitive it can only be either be more or less intuitive, in relation to some other object. what if at some point some of the gurus said lets take this great open software, and make it ...well... use-able? by joe desktop? and to do that, lets start with hardware compatiblity and say easy install in a computer that already has windows installed hey since it is suppossed to be automagic, we can name it after a magician from the 60's comics,,, Mandarke The Magician. now mind you this is all a fantasy. and a sign I have way too much time to think and not enough to do with my hands. Granted M$'s isn't either in some ways, however they at least *attempt* to make it so, and do well at it for the most part. I'll leave the IRQ conflicts installation problems out of this. That's normal for any OS. Either way, we all will use the programs/software we find best for us. optimist! :-) Ya ya, sue me ;) I am, always will be. Life's too good not to be. Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Minimizing the cult factor
On Monday 11 March 2002 17:38, shane wrote: Either way, we all will use the programs/software we find best for us. optimist! :-) Yep - if only. I once read (OK, skimmed) a book called Butterfly Economics (after the notorious butterfly effect) which explained, amongst other things, why the rational actor model of economics doesn't work. Classical economics dictate that all consumers will purchase the product that provides the greatest returns for the minimum cost - the law of supply and demand. If this were true, no one would have ever bought a Cabbage Patch Kid, a Furbie, a VHS recorder or Windows. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the sources???
2 CD's of source code are included in the powerpack derek On Tuesday 12 March 2002 00:01, Zlatko Savic wrote: Hey everyone, I downloaded MD 8.1 (all 3 cds) recently but i noticed a backdraw...the source rpms for my apps are missing. I checked the rpms on all 3 cds and the only source i found was apache source. Isn't it required by the GPL and all the other licenses to INCLUDE source codes in the the distro cd? Correct me if I am wrong. Regards, Zlatko Savic --- Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. - Antoine de Saint Exupery __ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the sources???
i believe the sources come with the boxed (i can check, i have it here somewhere) but, do you really want to download a few more cd's just to get the source? i am sure the files are on the ftp download tree somewhere though. On Monday 11 March 2002 16:01, Zlatko Savic opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: Hey everyone, I downloaded MD 8.1 (all 3 cds) recently but i noticed a backdraw...the source rpms for my apps are missing. I checked the rpms on all 3 cds and the only source i found was apache source. Isn't it required by the GPL and all the other licenses to INCLUDE source codes in the the distro cd? Correct me if I am wrong. -- Doing my part to piss off the religious right. shane http://shentzu.home.mindspring.com/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org/ cause humans do it better! Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] descent3 demo install
On Monday 11 March 2002 20:44, you wrote: Stojs wrote: I downloaded the descent3 demo, it is a file called descent3-demo-x86.run. How do I run it? When I click it nothing happens. Thanks in advance, Stojs From a shell type in sh descent3-demo-x86.run, and you might have to do it as root to access the various places its going to install stuff... (I'd try my normal user first, and see if I got any errors). Hope this helps! ;-) PS Descent is a great game! Yes, but I can't get hold of it since the demise of Loki. Does anyone know where I can download the demo? Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] descent3 demo install
On Tuesday 12 March 2002 03:23, Robin Turner wrote: Yes, but I can't get hold of it since the demise of Loki. Does anyone know where I can download the demo? Sorry, ignore that question - the answer is ftp.chemo.tuniv.szczecin.pl Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OK New Q, OT Small Linux! ;)
On Monday 11 March 2002 15:13, FemmeFatale opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: A: Make sure both root and boot diskettes are formated 1.44 dd if=root of=/dev/fd0 where root equals file name of the root image as stored on your system. Is that the only way to put the images onto diskette? Can I do it from a windows machine? the older mandrake (and possibly the new ones, i haven't touched a win machine in sometime so i haven't looked) have an autorun for windows that includes a button to format disks for install. the rawwrite program that starts will write an image to disk in windows. you could also try looking up rawwrite in fav search engine-o-choice. -- Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows '95, Windows '98, Windows 2000! shane http://shentzu.home.mindspring.com/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org/ cause humans do it better! Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
OT games Was: [newbie] gaim
On Monday 11 March 2002 15:27, FemmeFatale opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: I don't play much anymore, but should you wish to play, email me. I'm always interested in playing with other women, we're too few. And I don't get hit on by them as much (oh i wish? :) not to jump in here, but am i the only one who doesn't understand why, when you thought you were playing a little TFC or Quake arena, a female sounding nick joins and suddenly it is date night? i like long walks on the beach, quad damage, and men who aren't affraid to cry, ICQ me sometime. -- Hold (ESC)(CTRL)(ALT)(TAB)(SHIFT)(ENTER) click here # shane http://shentzu.home.mindspring.com/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org/ cause humans do it better! Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] clock keeping correct time?
El Dom 10 Mar 2002 03:28, escribió: I'm running Mandrake 8.1. Every time I reboot the time on the clock is off by usually 8 hours. I reset it then if I have to reboot to go to Window$ then I have to set it again. It's not a big deal, but doesn anyone have an idea? And yes, the clock in the BIOS is set correctly. Thanks, Install rdate rpm. As root, type: rdate -s clock-1.cs.cmu.edu hwclock --systohc Enter I don't know how to automate this task; any idea? Carlos Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] OK New Q, OT Small Linux! ;)
F Yes yes, stop groaning, I haven't even asked yet! :) F From the README: F Q: How do I get images onto diskettes? F A: Make sure both root and boot diskettes are formated 1.44 F dd if=root of=/dev/fd0 F where root equals file name of the root image as stored on your F system. F Is that the only way to put the images onto diskette? Can I do it from a F windows machine? F THX F Femme You can use rawrite (dos) or rawwrite (windows) Regards, Onur Kucuk _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] USB memory stick access
I found a good web site for my memory stick reader: http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~hjew/zio/ There is a SDDR09-HOWTO the help point me in the right direction. I was able to read the memory stick. Thanks Joe FemmeFatale wrote: If you'd like I can scan an article on how to get USB any device with USB to work, including the stick. Would that be helpful? I got the article from a UK magazine called Linux Format. Femme Dr Joe Brand wrote: Hi, How can I access my memory stick reader via the USB port? Joe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] OK New Dumb question on Small Linux
Which one 8 or 8.1? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FemmeFatale Sent: March 11, 2002 11:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] OK New Dumb question on Small Linux I know I know, this is a LM8 list... tell me to shoo if i get annoying. Has anyone tried this distro? If so, can you email me offlist possibly? Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
