date:20021221

Should it be necessary to reboot to get new hardware recognised?  In specific 
terms, in my struggle with usb devices, I have not yet got my camera 
recognised.  If I try different usb connections, will I need a reboot?  I 
have been assuming that I don't.  If I'm wrong, I need to start again.

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Re: [newbie] Getting new hardware recognised.

2002-12-21 Per discussione Paul

In reply to Anne's mail, d.d. Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:28:03 +:

Should it be necessary to reboot to get new hardware recognised?  In
specific terms, in my struggle with usb devices, I have not yet got my
camera recognised.  If I try different usb connections, will I need a
reboot?  I have been assuming that I don't.  If I'm wrong, I need to start
again.

USB is designed to recognise new stuff on the fly, so you should be fine
without a reboot.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 11:51, Sascha Noyes wrote:
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 I'm considering upgrading to silver membership. Not sure yet though.
 
 Sascha
 

I wish I could say that I was being optimistic about Mandrake right now,
but I think that there's going to be a bit of a shake up internally with
Mandrake, and in the linux community overall.

For those of us that have to pay USD for things, well, I'll hold onto my
money right now and wait until the second quarter of the US financial
year before spending it on services or products.
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Re: [newbie] Getting new hardware recognised.

2002-12-21 Per discussione Jonathan Dlouhy

On Saturday 21 December 2002 4:36 am, Paul wrote:
 In reply to Anne's mail, d.d. Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:28:03 +:
 Should it be necessary to reboot to get new hardware recognised?  In
 specific terms, in my struggle with usb devices, I have not yet got my
 camera recognised.  If I try different usb connections, will I need a
 reboot?  I have been assuming that I don't.  If I'm wrong, I need to start
 again.

 USB is designed to recognise new stuff on the fly, so you should be fine
 without a reboot.

 Paul

What Paul says is true. If you have problems with USB or something try usingg 
the poweer supply. Sometimes a reboot will help.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

2002-12-21 Per discussione Poogle

On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 H:51 am, Sascha Noyes wrote:
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 I'm considering upgrading to silver membership. Not sure yet though.

 Sascha

 On Saturday 21 December 2002 12:17 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
  Mandrake got slashdotted today, I just saw the article, then I saw an
  email from the Mandrake team.
 
  http://slashdot.org/articles/02/12/20/1815214.shtml?tid=147
 
  I also read
 
  http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3
 
  After reading that, and considering how much Mandrake linux has come to
  mean to me, I've decided to upgrade my membership.  I was wondering, how
  many peeps here are going to either join the Mandrake club or upgrade
  their membership?  I'm just curious, and was looking for a show of hands.
  ??
 
  --LX

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Re: [OT] - Boredom warning - Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought

On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 12:01 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
  Your non list mails will not be affected since all mail
  clients will address reply mails to the e-mail address they originated
  from if a 'Reply To' address is not specified.
 
 Do you mean like this
 
 John
 
 That's better
 Thank you. :)

 It would be nice if I could alter the composer setting for newbie.
 I cannot see that it is possible without altering the global settings.
 One has to remember to do this each time.

John - why are you worried about this?  In what circumstances do you need it?

Anne


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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 5:17 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
 Mandrake got slashdotted today, I just saw the article, then I saw an
 email from the Mandrake team.

 http://slashdot.org/articles/02/12/20/1815214.shtml?tid=147

 I also read

 http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3

 After reading that, and considering how much Mandrake linux has come to
 mean to me, I've decided to upgrade my membership.  I was wondering, how
 many peeps here are going to either join the Mandrake club or upgrade
 their membership?  I'm just curious, and was looking for a show of hands.
 ??
Although I feel their pain, I don't feel that I can do more.  I have silver 
membership and can't really afford to upgrade, have bought shares, and buy 
boxed sets.  What else can I do?

Anne


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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 21:43, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 5:17 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
  Mandrake got slashdotted today, I just saw the article, then I saw an
  email from the Mandrake team.
 
  http://slashdot.org/articles/02/12/20/1815214.shtml?tid=147
 
  I also read
 
  http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3
 
  After reading that, and considering how much Mandrake linux has come to
  mean to me, I've decided to upgrade my membership.  I was wondering, how
  many peeps here are going to either join the Mandrake club or upgrade
  their membership?  I'm just curious, and was looking for a show of hands.
  ??
 Although I feel their pain, I don't feel that I can do more.  I have silver 
 membership and can't really afford to upgrade, have bought shares, and buy 
 boxed sets.  What else can I do?
 
 Anne
 

I just wonder how someone that hasn't received their MDK 9 is going to
react to receiving an email like this...

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Re: [newbie] Getting new hardware recognised.

2002-12-21 Per discussione Peter Watson

On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 09:28, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Should it be necessary to reboot to get new hardware recognised?  In
 specific terms, in my struggle with usb devices, I have not yet got my
 camera recognised.  If I try different usb connections, will I need a
 reboot?  I have been assuming that I don't.  If I'm wrong, I need to
 start again.

 Anne

When I want to use my Fuji FinePix 2600z I pull the USB cable out of my 
printer, stick it into the in socket on the hub which is in the base of 
my LCD screen and plug the camera into an  out socket on the hub, issue 
a mount command and I'm in business. No reboots, everything happens on the 
fly.

Afterwards I reverse the above and the printer works again.


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Re: [OT] - Boredom warning - Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP inUS sought

Derek Jennings wrote:


On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 12:01 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Derek Jennings wrote:
   

On Friday 20 Dec 2002 10:23 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Derek Jennings wrote:
   

SNIP

 

WARNING - The following text will be of no interest to any non
Britons, and will be tediously boring to anyone who reads it.
--
-- -- -
 

SNIP

 

Well, there you are, it's not entirely bunk after all.
One further question though.
   

From the above explanation, all uk telephone appliances count as one of
 

those 4 devices, but does a computer modem connection count as well.

John
   

Yes

derek

PS: John could you alter your mozilla mail client settings please and
remove the Reply to Field.  It is not necessary, and means whenever
someone replies to one of your posts, it gets addressed directly to you
and not the list. We then have to enter the list address by hand which
is a PITA. Your non list mails will not be affected since all mail
clients will address reply mails to the e-mail address they originated
from if a 'Reply To' address is not specified.
 

Do you mean like this

John
   

That's better
Thank you. :)
 

It would be nice if I could alter the composer setting for newbie.
I cannot see that it is possible without altering the global settings.
One has to remember to do this each time.

John
   


No you don't.  Just leave the 'reply to' field blank and it will all be fine. 
No need to alter it when you send to different addresses.

(BTW: I am replying off list)

derek

 

On mine the reply to addresss comes up all filled in , so you have got to
remember to clear it, in most cases I probably do, but for these lists , if
you do forget to clear it  it means the other person the other end has to
reinclude  the newbie list address to keep the thread going.
It would ne nice  if in the case of list addresses , the cpmposer window,
came up without the replyto address being filled in, but without 
affecting the
global setting , where you do want the composser window setting to come
up with a replyto adress. However I cannot see how that can be accomplished.

I also notice that this reply of yours came up in my composser window to 
Derek
Jennings etc , the to newbie address was missing, I had to add it, that 
means
your composer altered the reply to newbie address to your own address,
which is why it came up in my composer window without the to newbie
address.

I don't think there is a simple answer here.



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Re: [OT] - Boredom warning - Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP inUS sought

Anne Wilson wrote:


On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 12:01 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Your non list mails will not be affected since all mail
clients will address reply mails to the e-mail address they originated
from if a 'Reply To' address is not specified.
 

Do you mean like this

John
   

That's better
Thank you. :)
 

It would be nice if I could alter the composer setting for newbie.
I cannot see that it is possible without altering the global settings.
One has to remember to do this each time.
   


John - why are you worried about this?  In what circumstances do you need it?

Anne

 

I don't think anyone is worried about this, it's just as Derek points 
out, easier for others
if in the case of list addressing policy, the composer window when it 
comes up didn't
have the reply to address of the replier, because when the email is 
received the other
end the recipient does not then have to add the newbie address as a 
little chore. It's
no big deal to alter it, but it's nice if you didn't have to. All derek 
is saying is that if
I remember to remove the replyto address in my composer window the 
little chore is
done away with, but I am saying it isn't every time you remember to do 
it, and so
if there were a way of altering the composer setting for newbies type 
lists so that
the composer winow didn't automatically come up with a reply to address, 
all would
be easier, but if such a policy were possible it has to be specificly 
for newbie type
lists because in all other cases you DO want replyto address to be 
included in
composer windows.
John

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Re: [OT] - Boredom warning - Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought

On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 1:00 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:

 be easier, but if such a policy were possible it has to be specificly
 for newbie type
 lists because in all other cases you DO want replyto address to be
 included in
 composer windows.

OK - if you say so :)  but I never use the reply to field, and it has never 
caused me a problem.  When people hit the reply button it automatically uses 
the sender field if no other has been set.  I presume that the newbie list 
administration sets newbie as an overrider.

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Re: [newbie] More 9.0 questions.

2002-12-21 Per discussione Tom Brinkman

On Friday December 20 2002 10:24 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 On Friday 20 December 2002 07:06 pm, Dennis Myers wrote:
  Ron one of the other appends mentioned was nopentium. I'm just
  grabing at straws here. But what the heck, try it on one boot up
  and see. HTH

 Hmm, seems like I do remember seeing that - I'd forgotten about it.
 Thanks Dennis, I'll try it. (like you said - what the heck, I've
 got nothing to lose! smile)

   To disable: APIC, use 'noapic', for ACPI use 'acpi=off', to limit  
memory requests to 4k use 'mem=nopentium'EG,

append= mem=nopentium acpi=off noapic devfs=mount whatever_else

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Re: [OT] - Boredom warning - Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP inUS sought

Anne Wilson wrote:


On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 1:00 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

be easier, but if such a policy were possible it has to be specificly
for newbie type
lists because in all other cases you DO want replyto address to be
included in
composer windows.
   


OK - if you say so :)  but I never use the reply to field, and it has never 
caused me a problem.  When people hit the reply button it automatically uses 
the sender field if no other has been set.  I presume that the newbie list 
administration sets newbie as an overrider.

Anne


 


 


Well in mozilla messenger, when you select reply , the composer window 
automatically
has your replyto address there, you have to remember to remove it. thats 
all.
John

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 11:22 am, you wrote:
 On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 21:45, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 9:38 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
   On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 11:51, Sascha Noyes wrote:
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I'm considering upgrading to silver membership. Not sure yet though.
   
Sascha
  
   I wish I could say that I was being optimistic about Mandrake right
   now, but I think that there's going to be a bit of a shake up
   internally with Mandrake, and in the linux community overall.
 
  'Fraid so, and I don't want to see Mandrake go.
 
   For those of us that have to pay USD for things, well, I'll hold onto
   my money right now and wait until the second quarter of the US
   financial year before spending it on services or products.
 
  Sorry, Stephen - I don't understand.  Could you please explain more to an
  ignorant limey/pommie?
 
  Anne

 Ok...well, first and foremost, all of this is based on pure marketing.
 Marketing doesn't care if a product is viable, or foolproof, or even
 complete. The people that do the marketing go by demand, public opinion,
 and market analysis. Look at Mactintosh and Microsoft. Both are best
 known for throwing software to the public because it's expected. None of
 it is ever complete or fixed. As per the past 10 years, Microsoft is
 expected to release a new OS or version thereof every year. They've
 literally kept to exactly that. Whether or not it's viable or complete
 or really working doesn't matter at all.

 Redhat, Suse and Slackware literally hold their own - but in the past
 six months time, there has been a great demand by the public and by
 marketing analysts that a sleeker, more user friendly version of DESKTOP
 linux be released - immediately. So, Redhat, Xandros and Mandrake vied
 for the top slot. Mandrake did quite well with the initial installation
 and the user friendly configuration tools, but the engine behind was
 not complete - but it was released no matter what. Ditto with Redhat and
 version 8 of their distro. Too many unhappy campers have been made by
 both Redhat and Mandrake right now. And Mandrake really pushed things to
 the limits and now they're feeling the crunch from making too many sales
 and having to reorganize internally to be able to handle the load -
 which is costing them even more (bad planning). Redhat, on the other
 hand, have the cash to sit back and wait it out til the next release -
 besides, they're partnered with IBM - what better partner to have right
 now? Aside from that, Mandrake's marketing was aimed at the end user.
 NOT where the money is at. Selling to a few schmoe's here and there
 doesn't quite equal selling 10,000 copies to a large corporate entity.

 As things are moving faster than they have in the past four years, the
 changes in the linux community are moving swiftly - very swiftly. There
 are going to be some tough falls coming - and quite a bit of money lost
 - but overall, this is going to end up strengthening the linux community
 even moreso with stricter guidelines and more structured standards.

 Just as an example - you have two blokes - both pay $40USD for a linux
 distro. Bloke 1 installs and configures his distro and is able to
 quickly configure that distro to be a high-end server, a workstation, a
 network monitoring tool, a mail server, a firewall - all in a very short
 amount of time. Bloke 2 has to go back through his installation several
 times to get his OS to be used for development, or a server. Bloke 1
 gets his up and running in less than 2 hours time. Bloke 2 spends more
 than four hours getting his distro right and trying to update drivers
 for devices.

 Which is going to win?
 That is merely rhetorical, mind you. I'm not trying to put one above the
 other - just looking at things from an outsiders perspective - like an
 IT manager would if he had to deal with having a tech installing an OS.
 The quicker of the two wins. Less time paid to the tech, less time
 troubleshooting or fixing. That's the economics of it.

 In the next two to six months, things are going to move very fast, and I
 just have this niggling suspicion that Mandrake's quiet internal re-org
 is going to become more than just that - and that they're going to be
 making some rash decisions that are going to plonk them outta the market
 - or knock them back far enough to where they're going to have to fight
 to get up again.

 Just my humble opinion based on observation.

 ...not bad for an ex-yank, ya reckon?

Yeah - I understand what you are saying, Stephen, and you could well be right, 
I just hope that it isn't as bad as it looks.

Marketing to the gullible is, as you say, the way to survive, and one of the 
attractions of linux is getting out of that trap.  Yet the company has to 
survive, and if business partners are not forthcoming, what can they do, no 
matter how good the product is.

On the bad side there is the tendency to rush distros out to meet

Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

2002-12-21 Per discussione Mike Larson

Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
snip


After reading that, and considering how much Mandrake linux has come to
mean to me, I've decided to upgrade my membership.  I was wondering, how
many peeps here are going to either join the Mandrake club or upgrade
their membership?  I'm just curious, and was looking for a show of hands.
??

--LX


At the risk of offending some, I will give my thoughts, which will 
probably be unpopular (dons flame-retardant suit).

1. This whole situation leaves me with an unsettled feeling. I am not 
comfortable with begging as a business strategy and this is the second 
time this year. From other comments I have seen, this is already 
starting to get old for many.

2. Mandrake is one of the most popular distros. See 
http://www.distrowatch.com/  Of all the distros listed, why does 
Mandrake keep begging for cash? It looks to me like they are still 
suffering from some _very bad_ business decisions, mostly unrelated to 
Linux (the repositioning as an e-learning company fiasco). Are current 
Mandrake users supposed to bail out the company for the sins of the 
previous managment? Perhapsif Mandrake is to prosper (which is 
different from survival).

3. It appears that current management is under tremendous pressure from 
their venture capital investors to become profitable so their 
investments will pay off. I am not sure that it is my responsibility to 
contribute to this.

4. I use Mandrake, like it, and have purchased boxed sets. I wish them 
well and hope they develop a viable business plan, but frankly, begging 
is an embarrassment to the entire community. M$ must laughing its ass off.

5. If Mandrake dies the torch will be picked up by others and the Linux 
community will survive. Those who support Mandrake now will move to 
another distro and help it become stronger. The future of Linux is 
bright, but there will be shakeouts along the way. Remember, that which 
does not kill us makes us stronger. Will Mandrake still be standing at 
the end of the day? I don't know, but the Linux community will be stronger.

Just my honest opinion.flame away.

Mike


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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

2002-12-21 Per discussione jerry

- Original Message -
From: Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 9:17 PM
Subject: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

 Mandrake got slashdotted today, I just saw the article, then I saw an
 email from the Mandrake team.

 http://slashdot.org/articles/02/12/20/1815214.shtml?tid=147

 I also read

 http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3

 After reading that, and considering how much Mandrake linux has come to
 mean to me, I've decided to upgrade my membership.  I was wondering, how
 many peeps here are going to either join the Mandrake club or upgrade
 their membership?  I'm just curious, and was looking for a show of hands.
 ??

 --LX

I have to say I'm middle-of-the-road here.  I bought my distros and was
happy with 8.2.  However, I'm NOT happy with 9.0.  If 9.0 is all they can do
with the money I paid spent, then no, I'm not going to continue investing
money in a company who seems to be following in the footsteps of microsoft
when it comes to releasing something whether it's ready or not, and IMHO,
9.0 was not ready to be released.  In fact, my 2nd machine which I've been
fighting with using 9.0 will be downgrading back to 8.2 some time this
weekend.  Another thing is for sure, when future versions are released I'm
definitely going to wait and watch the forums/lists before shelling out 70
bucks again.  I was so happy with 8.2 that I bought 9.0 as soon as it was on
the shelf thinking it would be even better but that does not seem to be the
case, unfortunately.  I'm just waiting for the day when Debian steps up to a
2.4 kernel.  I'm getting comfortable enough with gnu/linux that I'm ready to
make a switch from a distro that's easy to use to one that emphasizes
stability.  IMO having apps freeze and crash doesn't seem very easy to
use.  If I want that, I'll go back to M$.
Now if Mandrake were to turn around with 9.1 and go back to the quality of
8.2, I'd sing its praises once again.

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Re: [OT] - Boredom warning - Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP inUS sought

Anne Wilson wrote:


On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 1:15 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Anne Wilson wrote:
   

On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 1:00 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

be easier, but if such a policy were possible it has to be specificly
for newbie type
lists because in all other cases you DO want replyto address to be
included in
composer windows.
   

OK - if you say so :)  but I never use the reply to field, and it has
never caused me a problem.  When people hit the reply button it
automatically uses the sender field if no other has been set.  I presume
that the newbie list administration sets newbie as an overrider.

Anne
 

Well in mozilla messenger, when you select reply , the composer window
automatically
has your replyto address there, you have to remember to remove it. thats
all.
John
   


I haven't used Mozilla for a while, I'm in KMail now, but IIRC in the 
Preferences, Mail  Newsgroups sheet there is a line for reply-to.  Leaving 
that blank causes the behaviour I described above.  Have you tried it?

Anne


 

If there is I don't see it.

John

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

2002-12-21 Per discussione Anthony Abby

 At the risk of offending some, I will give my thoughts, which will 
 probably be unpopular (dons flame-retardant suit).

Yes what you had to say will probably offend some, but honestly a
free-flow of ideas, expressed in a thoughtful manner such as you
presented your ideas, should never offend.


 1. This whole situation leaves me with an unsettled feeling. I am not 
 comfortable with begging as a business strategy and this is the second 
 time this year. From other comments I have seen, this is already 
 starting to get old for many.

I don't necessarily like begging either, but what makes me even more
uneasy is the though that Mandrake might fold in the not too distant
future, or than Mandrake 9.1 might be held up for lack of money.  That
is to say that a release should never go gold for purely monetary
reasons, but rather when it's genuinely ready.

I was strictly a Redhat user until a few months ago, when I converted to
Mandrake.  I absolutely hated Mandrake 8.2, but really liked 9.  And now
because I didn't like the path Redhat was taking I have converted my
laptop and two servers to Mandrake linux and would seriously hate to see
their services impacted in any way!


 2. Mandrake is one of the most popular distros. See 
 http://www.distrowatch.com/  Of all the distros listed, why does 
 Mandrake keep begging for cash? It looks to me like they are still 
 suffering from some _very bad_ business decisions, mostly unrelated to 
 Linux (the repositioning as an e-learning company fiasco). Are current 
 Mandrake users supposed to bail out the company for the sins of the 
 previous managment? Perhapsif Mandrake is to prosper (which is 
 different from survival).

Well unfortunately we all don't seem to have much of a choice.  They are
in the position and it's either sink or swim, and philosophy has nothing
to do with it truly.

 
 3. It appears that current management is under tremendous pressure from 
 their venture capital investors to become profitable so their 
 investments will pay off. I am not sure that it is my responsibility to 
 contribute to this.

It would probably help us all to understand this a bit better to know
exactly what is drawing down revenue still.  Contracts?  Would just be
nice to know.



 4. I use Mandrake, like it, and have purchased boxed sets. I wish them 
 well and hope they develop a viable business plan, but frankly, begging 
 is an embarrassment to the entire community. M$ must laughing its ass off.

Well I also purchased, or rather ordered a boxed set of Mandrake 9
months ago, but never received it and despite many contacts, both by
phone and via email I never found out what happened to my order, until I
received an email from one of their marketing people.  I vented on her
and my email quickly got passed to someone up their marketing chain who
promised to cancel my order and refund my credit card... which still
hasn't been done after quite some time.  Recent emails to the person who
personally promised me they would refund my credit card have gone
unanswered and I finally wrote a letter to my credit card issuer
refuting the charges.  They're now looking into it and can handle this
for me.

Despite Mandrake's money problems, they blew this whole roll out in a
major fashion.  I think too few people are talking about their problems
getting the software they purchased and it's that experience, in my mind
which causes me to now be a little more careful about how I give them my
money.  I'll wait from now on until the boxed sets are on store shelves
before I purchase.  At least that way I can guarantee I get what I paid
for!



 5. If Mandrake dies the torch will be picked up by others and the Linux 
 community will survive. Those who support Mandrake now will move to 
 another distro and help it become stronger. The future of Linux is 
 bright, but there will be shakeouts along the way. Remember, that which 
 does not kill us makes us stronger. Will Mandrake still be standing at 
 the end of the day? I don't know, but the Linux community will be stronger.
 

Honestly I think that's terrible, and reeks too much of scavenging. 
Mandrake has produced a great product but got itself in a bind by bad
business decisions, unrelated to their product.  For them to fail based
on unrelated business matters would be a terrible waste of time and
effort.  The object should be to make this thrive and succeed.  We
should help where we can, but we should also insist that Mandrake divest
itself of whatever is holding it down.

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Re: [newbie] Scanjet 3200c almost working...

2002-12-21 Per discussione Pilagá


 Thanks, I did it yet, but I can only get the scanner detected going in
 tools sane directory and typing ./umax_pp -p -t 1
 But still the frontends are saying no sane device found.

Strange. Before launching xsane do:
export SANE_DEBUG_UMAX_PP=255
and then send the output of xsane to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stephen is the 
developer of umax_pp, a very very friendly guy that help me a lot with all 
that stuff.

Suerte.
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[newbie] Realrekord error

2002-12-21 Per discussione Pilagá


Hola a todos: 

I just have installed 'Realrekord' from plf. 

'Urpmi realrekord' was OK, no errors, no dependencies failure, no warnings, 
no nada. But now, when a try to launch it, I get this error:

[carlos@localhost carlos]$ realrekord
realrekord: relocation error: realrekord: undefined symbol: 
static_QUType_varptr

Any idea?
Gracias

Realrekord is a RealPlayer recorder and Live Radio Station database. It 
enables converting .RM files to other formats, such as .wav, .mp3 and .ogg.
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Re: [newbie] XCDroast primary read device.

Anne,

Having fiddled with mtab my supermount works well. Whether that is mere
luck or otherwise I don't know. However, while fiddling I had a box pop
up referring to no entry in mtab.

You may notice the 'ro' read only and 'rw' read write in the cdrom lines
in mtab.

Prior to doing all of this, I did save the original files in case of
trouble and would advise others to do the same. 

With seasons greetings,

Malcolm Candlish.



On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 12:25, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Thursday 19 Dec 2002 11:13 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
  /etc/fstab
  /dev/hdb5 / ext3 defaults 1 1
  none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
  /dev/hdb6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
  none /mnt/cdrom supermount
  dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0
   0 0 none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount
  dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0
  0 0
 
  This is supermount, and it works for you with scsi-emulation  ?
  for me it doesn't.
 
 My cd-rw is scsi-em and works fine under supermount.
 
  none /mnt/floppy supermount
  dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850,umask=
  0 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/nt ntfs ro,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15 0 0
  none /proc proc defaults 0 0
  /dev/hdb7 swap swap defaults 0 0
  
  /etc/mtab
  /dev/hdb5 / ext3 rw 0 0
  none /proc proc rw 0 0
  none /dev devfs rw 0 0
  none /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620 0 0
  /dev/hdb6 /home ext3 rw 0 0
  none /mnt/cdrom supermount
  ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codep
  age=850,umask=0 0 0 none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount
  rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codep
  age=850,umask=0 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount
  rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,c
  odepage=850,umask=0 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/nt ntfs
   ro,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15 0 0
 
  I don't have any entries in mtab, maybe that's what I'm doing wrong, maybe
  I should have cdrom read device entries here as well and then supermount
  would work for me too, anyone got any experiences to add on this.
 
 I thought mtab was system written, showing what drives are mounted?  If so, 
 your mtab seems to be in trouble.  What entries do you have that relate to 
 your reader and writer devices?
 
 Anne
 
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Re: [newbie] XCDroast primary read device.

Charlie,

My /etc/mtab file would appear to be static, with a constant content as
follows:-

/dev/hdb5 / ext3 rw 0 0
none /proc proc rw 0 0
none /dev devfs rw 0 0
none /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620 0 0
/dev/hdb6 /home ext3 rw 0 0
none /mnt/cdrom supermount
ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0
0 0
none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount
rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0
0 0
none /mnt/floppy supermount
rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0
0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/nt ntfs ro,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15 0 0

It may follow that supermount may require this file. However, having
corresponded with you before, accept that you have a deeper knowledge of
this area than I.

Seasons greetings to an old friend from

Malcolm Candlish.

On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 19:22, Charlie wrote:
On December 19, 2002 10:00 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
snip
I find that very odd. I wondered at first if it was because you were using
'auto' mounting, not supermount, as I do. But then I realised that my
LS120 drive is set up to mount the way you do, and my mtab has the
following line:

/dev/sda /mnt/LS120 vfat
rw,noexec,sync,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0

which obviously is preparing it for mounting from the icon.

I'm not sure just what is happening here. As I undertand it you can, from
a desktop icon, mount and unmount cdrom and cd-rw without problems, yet
mtab doesn't recognise their existance.

Any help, anyone?

Anne

I don't think that's unusual at all Anne and John. The mtab file is the 'mount
table' (dynamic)as opposed to fstab; 'file system table' (static) which
contains instructions to the kernel for handling these devices including what
file systems to expect there as well as locations and permissions. Mtab
shouldn't show anything unless the device is mounted I believe.

When you read it with no devices mounted there won't be any there, ya think?
Try again with media in the drive maybe. You know, mount a disk?

You couldn't tell I'm guessing (maybe a logical guess but...) could you? :-)

Regards;
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Edmonton,AB,Canada
Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org
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little sleep and with great sacrifice to their first wives.
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Re: [newbie] XCDroast primary read device.

Alex,

Thank you for your kind input. My cdrom and cdrw now work under
ide-emulation and also my reader works correctly in supermount.

After much fiddling I changed mtab and it seemed to come together. The
respective files for this are as follows:-


/etc/lilo.conf
boot=/dev/hda
vga=normal
default=Mandrake
prompt
timeout=100
message=/boot/message
menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk
label=Mandrake
root=/dev/hdb5
initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.19-16mdk.img
append= quiet devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi
read-only
other=/dev/hda1
label=windows

/etc/fstab
/dev/hdb5 / ext3 defaults 1 1
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
/dev/hdb6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
none /mnt/cdrom supermount
dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount
dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0
0 0
none /mnt/floppy supermount
dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/nt ntfs ro,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hdb7 swap swap defaults 0 0

/etc/mtab
/dev/hdb5 / ext3 rw 0 0
none /proc proc rw 0 0
none /dev devfs rw 0 0
none /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620 0 0
/dev/hdb6 /home ext3 rw 0 0
none /mnt/cdrom supermount
ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0
 0 0
none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount
rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0
 0 0
none /mnt/floppy supermount
rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0
 0 0
/dev/hda1 /mnt/nt ntfs ro,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15 0 0

I include these as a matter of interest and hope that you may use
supermount effectively.

With thanks and seasons greetings,

Malcolm Candlish,


On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 16:44, A V Flinsch wrote:
 On Sunday 15 December 2002 02:32 pm, Malcolm Candlish wrote:
  Tom,
 
  Thank you for your comments.
 
  I can work the reader for XCDRoast if the cd reader is in scsi
  emulation form, but the trouble is it will not operate as a normal cd
  reader for other purposes.
 
 
 sure it will, all you need to do is change the symlink /dev/cdrom to point 
 to the now emulated device...
 
 example my lilo.conf contains 
 append=quiet hdc=ide-scsi devfs=mount hdd=ide-scsi
 
 /dev/hdc is my dvd reader, hdd is my cdrom
 
 in /dev
 
 /dev/cdr - cdroms/cdrom1
 /dev/cdrom - cdroms/cdrom0
 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 - ../scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/cd
 /dev/cdroms/cdrom1 - ../scsi/host1/bus0/target1/lun0/cd
 
 
 and /etc/fstab has
 
 /dev/cdr /mnt/cdr auto user,noauto,ro 0 0
 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto user,noauto,ro 0 0
 
  (not, I don't use super/automount)
 
 and everything works
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [newbie] XCDroast primary read device.

Anne,

I apologise I did not make myself sufficiently clear.

When I stated that It will enable you to burn 'on the fly', which can
have advantages in your working  'although not audio) ; I should have
stated that the disadvantage is that I cannot burn audio on the fly. I
can play music as before!

Seasons greetings,

Malcolm Candlish.

On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 11:11, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Do you mean that I have to choose between burning on the fly and being able to 
 listen to cds?  If so, I'll stick with the music.  I want that much more 
 often :)
 
 Anne
 
 On Thursday 19 Dec 2002 10:00 am, Malcolm Candlish wrote:
  Anne,
 
  The problem referred to is now resolved and think it may be worthwhile
  examining the following three files making allowances for your hd  scd
  numbers. It will enable you to burn 'on the fly', which can have
  advantages in your working  'although not audio).
 
  /etc/lilo.conf
  boot=/dev/hda
  vga=normal
  default=Mandrake
  prompt
  timeout=100
  message=/boot/message
  menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw
  image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk
  label=Mandrake
  root=/dev/hdb5
  initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.19-16mdk.img
  append= quiet devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi
  read-only
  other=/dev/hda1
  label=windows
 
  /etc/fstab
  /dev/hdb5 / ext3 defaults 1 1
  none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
  /dev/hdb6 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
  none /mnt/cdrom supermount
  dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0
  0 0 none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount
  dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0
  0 0
  none /mnt/floppy supermount
  dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,sync,codepage=850,umask=0
  0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/nt ntfs ro,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15 0 0
  none /proc proc defaults 0 0
  /dev/hdb7 swap swap defaults 0 0
 
  /etc/mtab
  /dev/hdb5 / ext3 rw 0 0
  none /proc proc rw 0 0
  none /dev devfs rw 0 0
  none /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620 0 0
  /dev/hdb6 /home ext3 rw 0 0
  none /mnt/cdrom supermount
  ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepa
 ge=850,umask=0 0 0 none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount
  rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepa
 ge=850,umask=0 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount
  rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-15,co
 depage=850,umask=0 0 0 /dev/hda1 /mnt/nt ntfs
  ro,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15 0 0
 
  Seasons greetings.
  Malcolm Candlish.
 
  On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 19:39, Anne Wilson wrote:
   On the other hand, you could take my solution - I use the cd-rw as both
   reader and writer.  I have to burn an image if I want a copy, but for
   most purposes it causes me no problems whatsoever.
  
   Anne
  
   On Sunday 15 Dec 2002 7:32 pm, Malcolm Candlish wrote:
Tom,
   
Thank you for your comments.
   
I can work the reader for XCDRoast if the cd reader is in scsi
emulation form, but the trouble is it will not operate as a normal cd
reader for other purposes.
   
In view of this I shall take your advice and drop emulation for the
reader and resort to the 'command line' for that occasion.
   
Thank you for your input.
   
Malcolm Candlish.
   
On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 00:29, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Thursday December 12 2002 12:57 pm, Malcolm Candlish wrote:
  Charles,
 
  Thank you for your reply.I had no idea that both the hdc reader and
  hdd writer rom were to be in scsi emulation mode. This I fear may
  disrupt my reader rom in other duties?

  It will

  At the end of my reply I am adding my significant files should you
  wish to look at them. I am grateful for your time.
 
  What is kb3? I have not heard of this; is it any good and how can I
  obtain it.

  Kb3 gets around this by completely modifying your mount points
 in /etc/fstab ... which also will cause 'disrupt my reader rom in
 other duties' problems, often even worse.  As does settin your CDrom
 up to be scsi emulated.

 GUI front ends for the programs of cdrecord and mkisofs try to
 work on several differnet distro's. IMO, not very well on any.  Even
 if you get a GUI setup to work with your drives, changing from
 supermount to supermount disabled will ruin the day again. Similar
 situations will be encountered when trying to use the various GUI
 burner apps to select files to be burned.

 You'll be better off in the long run reading the
 CD-writing-howto, and learning how to use your burner on the command
 line. You'll also find out that it's simpler, quicker an easier than
 GUI's anyhow. EG, to record an audio CD, all I hav'ta do is type
 'bacd' in a terminal as user. Much quicker, simpler, and bulletproof
 than any GUI.

 alias bacd='cdrecord -v -eject speed=8 dev=0,3,0 -pad -audio *.wav'
 --
 Tom Brinkman

Re: [newbie] ISP's and poor service

On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 08:23, John Richard Smith wrote:

 Thanks, Stephen,
 Say were do I check up for that,
 
 I attatch a few modem settings.
 
 John
 -- 
 John Richard Smith

Well, without having prior knowledge of your dialing habits, wherever it
is that you setup your modem, there should be the ability to either
add/modify your initialization string for the modem.

Personally, I use wvdial because it just plain works no matter what -
but to each their own...


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   .o0 linux user:267497 0o.

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Re: [newbie] ISP's and poor service

On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 08:23, John Richard Smith wrote:

Ok...I didn't see the attachment - where it says bot INIT 0 AND INIT 1;
you would then add:

AT F C1 D1 E1 Q0 V1

That should do it.

You should get better throughput with that init as well as have less
line noise - IF that is the problem.

Either which, this is a nicer string to send to the modem to make it
happy.

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   .o0 linux user:267497 0o.

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[newbie] Using Netscape 4.78 on LM8.1/8.2

2002-12-21 Per discussione Bob Read

Have been using Netscape 4.78 with LM 8.1/8.2
I have no major problems with it, but a minoir
annoyance --  I can't Increase/Decrease fonts.
The choices are shaded out on the View menu,
and I haven't been able to change that.  Has 
anyone been able to correct this?

Much thanks,

Bob

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[newbie] Mandrake update

2002-12-21 Per discussione Seth Williamson

I just installed Mandrake 9.0 on my system today for the first time.

I am puzzled by the behavior of the Mandrake update system.

When I start it, it (seemingly) just sits there for three or four or five minutes 
doing nothing.  The first time I tried the update, I thought the system had locked up 
or something and nothing was happening.  But apparently, it's working, but moving very 
S-L-O-W-L-Y.

Another two or three minutes elapses between all the other steps of determining what 
packages are needed, contacting the mirror sites, and finally downloading and 
installing the software.  The downloads themselves seem to proceed at a normal rate 
for my connection.

Then, once the software is downloaded and installed, I can't seem to kill rmpdrake.  
It just sits there.  After it tells me the software was installed successfully, and I 
OK out of that little box, then I hit the quit button, but the button won't depress, 
suggesting that the app is locked up or just not responding.  I have to kill it with 
xkill.

Is this normal behavior?  I don't have a particularly fast connection--I'm on dial-up 
at 56K--but coming from a Debian distro (Libranet), the whole thing seems clunky and 
slow to me, and it strikes me as a bad idea that newbies can't tell if the update 
operation is actually moving along, or if it's locked up.




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Re: [newbie] netatalk

2002-12-21 Per discussione T C

What I need to do is provide a means so that a Mac laptop can connect
to a network which has windows PCs accessing a linux file server
running Samba. I also have to insure that this same Mac laptop can
still be connected to a Mac network at another location.
I'm not aware of DAVE, I'll have to check it out.

TC

--- Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 07:30, T C wrote:
  Can someone please tell me where I can find Netatalk/Appletalk on
 the
  Mandrake 9.0 CD's? I have looked through the download version CD's
 and
  can't find it.
  Thanks for your help.
  
  TC
 
 Appletalk is a protocol that has to be loaded as a module. If open up
 a
 term window and type:
 
 insmod appletalk
 
 Location:
 
 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/drivers/net/appletalk
 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/drivers/net/appletalk/cops.o
 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/drivers/net/appletalk/ipddp.o
 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/drivers/net/appletalk/ltpc.o
 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/net/appletalk
 /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/net/appletalk/appletalk.o
 
 
 ...you should be able to find out if it's already compiled and
 usable...
 
 Netatalk can be found in:
 
 /usr/bin/add_netatalk_printer
 /usr/bin/netatalk-config
 
 ...now mind you, if you don't have those modules, you're going to
 have
 to do a kernel recompile - which you're going to have to install the
 kernel headers and sources along with ncurses (on CD 2 and 3).
 
 Are you trying to talk to a Mac, or have a Mac talk to you?
 
 We have a Mac on our network here - and another one coming - but
 instead
 of using Appletalk, I'm using DAVE 3.1 on the Mac so that it can use
 NetBIOS to talk to the Windows machines and the linux box - which is
 running Samba...
 
 (Or, you can resort to ftp/telnet...but that's rather primitive, ya
 reckon?)
 
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[newbie] How to set NIC mode

2002-12-21 Per discussione Jure Repinc

Hi all

How can I set the mode in which the NIC operates? How can I switch 
between full and half duplex and between 10 and 100 Mbit mode? I have 
seen no settings for this in Mandrake.

I have 3Com 3C905B and am using Mandrake 9.0.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake update

2002-12-21 Per discussione Dennis Myers

On Saturday 21 December 2002 04:17 pm, Seth Williamson wrote:
 I just installed Mandrake 9.0 on my system today for the first time.

 I am puzzled by the behavior of the Mandrake update system.

 When I start it, it (seemingly) just sits there for three or four or five
 minutes doing nothing.  The first time I tried the update, I thought the
 system had locked up or something and nothing was happening.  But
 apparently, it's working, but moving very S-L-O-W-L-Y.

 Another two or three minutes elapses between all the other steps of
 determining what packages are needed, contacting the mirror sites, and
 finally downloading and installing the software.  The downloads themselves
 seem to proceed at a normal rate for my connection.

 Then, once the software is downloaded and installed, I can't seem to kill
 rmpdrake.  It just sits there.  After it tells me the software was
 installed successfully, and I OK out of that little box, then I hit the
 quit button, but the button won't depress, suggesting that the app is
 locked up or just not responding.  I have to kill it with xkill.

 Is this normal behavior?  I don't have a particularly fast connection--I'm
 on dial-up at 56K--but coming from a Debian distro (Libranet), the whole
 thing seems clunky and slow to me, and it strikes me as a bad idea that
 newbies can't tell if the update operation is actually moving along, or if
 it's locked up.
Not normal behavior, but I can't say what might be wrong. Maybe uninstall 
rpmdrake and reinstall it from the CDs? HTH
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Re: [newbie] Mandrake update

2002-12-21 Per discussione Derek Jennings

On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 10:17 pm, Seth Williamson wrote:
 I just installed Mandrake 9.0 on my system today for the first time.

 I am puzzled by the behavior of the Mandrake update system.

 When I start it, it (seemingly) just sits there for three or four or five
 minutes doing nothing.  The first time I tried the update, I thought the
 system had locked up or something and nothing was happening.  But
 apparently, it's working, but moving very S-L-O-W-L-Y.

 Another two or three minutes elapses between all the other steps of
 determining what packages are needed, contacting the mirror sites, and
 finally downloading and installing the software.  The downloads themselves
 seem to proceed at a normal rate for my connection.

 Then, once the software is downloaded and installed, I can't seem to kill
 rmpdrake.  It just sits there.  After it tells me the software was
 installed successfully, and I OK out of that little box, then I hit the
 quit button, but the button won't depress, suggesting that the app is
 locked up or just not responding.  I have to kill it with xkill.

 Is this normal behavior?  I don't have a particularly fast connection--I'm
 on dial-up at 56K--but coming from a Debian distro (Libranet), the whole
 thing seems clunky and slow to me, and it strikes me as a bad idea that
 newbies can't tell if the update operation is actually moving along, or if
 it's locked up.


It is likely you have selected a slow server for updates.
Some of them are truly dreadful.
You can get a better idea of the update process if you run it from the command 
line instead of the GUI. You will then see a download progress indication.

In a root terminal

urpmi.update -a (to update the list of available updates)
urpmi --update --auto-select  (To update all packages for which an update is 
available)

If you want a fast update mirror try this one.
ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/updates/9.0/RPMS


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Re: [newbie] netatalk

On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 10:11, T C wrote:
 What I need to do is provide a means so that a Mac laptop can connect
 to a network which has windows PCs accessing a linux file server
 running Samba. I also have to insure that this same Mac laptop can
 still be connected to a Mac network at another location.
 I'm not aware of DAVE, I'll have to check it out.
 
 TC
 

DAVE 3.1 is a Netbios client that plugs into your Chooser - it allows
for browsing of Netbios shares (on Windows or linux) - does not
interfere with Appletalk network configurations at all.

I have been using it for quite some years as I was tasked to incorporate
Macs into a primarily Windows network - and being that the graphics
department would not part with their Macs - which would have been a
tremendous waste of money, it was easier to integrate them into the NT
domain via DAVE. That way, the Macs and PC's would all be seeing the
same network shares, the Macs would use Outlook for email and MS Office
for whatever else...everyone was happy, and it saved the company tens of
thousands of dollars - NOT that anyone thanked me in the end...

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Re: [newbie] How to set NIC mode

On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 10:12, Jure Repinc wrote:
 Hi all
 
 How can I set the mode in which the NIC operates? How can I switch 
 between full and half duplex and between 10 and 100 Mbit mode? I have 
 seen no settings for this in Mandrake.
 
 I have 3Com 3C905B and am using Mandrake 9.0.
 
 Thanks in advance for answers.
 
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 Live long and prosper!

You're going to need to check out the configuration for the module that
loads at system start up. There are switches that can be added - you
might want to look through your /etc/modules.conf for further
information as well as find the documentation on that particular module.

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[newbie] [Newbie]I have a sticky situation/installation issue, Triple booting WinXP, Win2K MDK

2002-12-21 Per discussione FemmeFatale




I wouldn't be concerned if this was all a normal clean set of installs.  It 
isn't.

I acquired WinXP today, and decided to give it a go as well.  I'm trying to 
see if it will suit my g/f's needs, as Win98 doesn't.  And don't suggest 
linux, she won't go for it. Shrugs.

Anyway, how may I install XP w/out fucking over my new MDK install  my old 
Win2k installation which is working flawlessly for once? Is there a nice  
easy way to do this?  I have a third party partitioning program, though I 
doubt I'll need it as I have set aside 10 GB for the OS already long ago.

Problem:  It is a logical partition and is on a totally different 
drive.  Now I know Winfucksme likes to redo your MBR w/out asking  without 
any prompting.  Lovely... so how can I fix that afterwards?  LILO is the 
boot manager right now, and it works fine.  Win2k is getting along nicely  
I want to keep it that way.

Am I playing with fire even thinking this can work?!
Thx
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[newbie] Can anyone use XMMS and select a dir to play in the playlist?

2002-12-21 Per discussione FemmeFatale



I know I cannot...  It freezes immediately.  With the MDK 8.2 version it 
worked flawlessly.  What the hell is wrong with it?  Does it need 
updating?  I haven't checked this yet...

If I use its playlist editor  try to select any directory to play (IE, 
play the contents of the whole dir) it freezes.  Even a Kill -9 pid# will 
NOT work.  It just sits there in TOP and refuses to die.  Wth?  I've never 
seen that behaviour before.  :(

Even Root cannot get rid of the damn thing.  Yet start it from a command 
line it doesn't work either properly.  But if I open a file manager, and 
drop the dir onto the play list editor manually, it works fine!  Umm 
serious bug? :\

-
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Re: [newbie] Can anyone use XMMS and select a dir to play in the playlist?

2002-12-21 Per discussione mycal62

I just tried it and it works fine for me in MDK 9  through a SB live 
gamer card, using a via chipset.


Probably not xmms , more likely a hardware, or config problem

Mike McNeese

Springdale, 
Arkansas USA

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MDK 9.0 kernel 2.4.19-16 Registered Linux User #248955

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Then you have lost sight of your goal!  



FemmeFatale wrote:



I know I cannot...  It freezes immediately.  With the MDK 8.2 version 
it worked flawlessly.  What the hell is wrong with it?  Does it need 
updating?  I haven't checked this yet...

If I use its playlist editor  try to select any directory to play 
(IE, play the contents of the whole dir) it freezes.  Even a Kill -9 
pid# will NOT work.  It just sits there in TOP and refuses to die.  
Wth?  I've never seen that behaviour before.  :(

Even Root cannot get rid of the damn thing.  Yet start it from a 
command line it doesn't work either properly.  But if I open a file 
manager, and drop the dir onto the play list editor manually, it works 
fine!  Umm serious bug? :\

-
FemmeFatale

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We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that
character from Peanuts.

- Source: Dilbert





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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

2002-12-21 Per discussione Joseph Braddock

Jerry,

Maybe you would be willing to contribute some of your time to improve Mandrake's 
stability.  There were numerous beta and release candidates for Mandrake 9.0.  If you 
are having stability issues, the time to have them fixed is prior to the release being 
official.  When Mandrake 9.1 is in beta and release candidate status, maybe you can 
download a copy (or buy one from cheapbytes) and submit the problems you've been 
experiencing to the development team.

This is by no means an effort to slam you, it's simply that if we want the distro to 
work flawlessly and support all kinds of hardware combinations, then the more who join 
the testing effort the better.

Joeb


On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:55:44 -0800
jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 - Original Message -
 From: Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 9:17 PM
 Subject: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital
 
 
 
 
  Mandrake got slashdotted today, I just saw the article, then I saw an
  email from the Mandrake team.
 
  http://slashdot.org/articles/02/12/20/1815214.shtml?tid=147
 
  I also read
 
  http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3
 
  After reading that, and considering how much Mandrake linux has come to
  mean to me, I've decided to upgrade my membership.  I was wondering, how
  many peeps here are going to either join the Mandrake club or upgrade
  their membership?  I'm just curious, and was looking for a show of hands.
  ??
 
  --LX
 
 
 
 I have to say I'm middle-of-the-road here.  I bought my distros and was
 happy with 8.2.  However, I'm NOT happy with 9.0.  If 9.0 is all they can do
 with the money I paid spent, then no, I'm not going to continue investing
 money in a company who seems to be following in the footsteps of microsoft
 when it comes to releasing something whether it's ready or not, and IMHO,
 9.0 was not ready to be released.  In fact, my 2nd machine which I've been
 fighting with using 9.0 will be downgrading back to 8.2 some time this
 weekend.  Another thing is for sure, when future versions are released I'm
 definitely going to wait and watch the forums/lists before shelling out 70
 bucks again.  I was so happy with 8.2 that I bought 9.0 as soon as it was on
 the shelf thinking it would be even better but that does not seem to be the
 case, unfortunately.  I'm just waiting for the day when Debian steps up to a
 2.4 kernel.  I'm getting comfortable enough with gnu/linux that I'm ready to
 make a switch from a distro that's easy to use to one that emphasizes
 stability.  IMO having apps freeze and crash doesn't seem very easy to
 use.  If I want that, I'll go back to M$.
 Now if Mandrake were to turn around with 9.1 and go back to the quality of
 8.2, I'd sing its praises once again.
 
 
 


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Re: [newbie] Getting new hardware recognised.

2002-12-21 Per discussione Joseph Braddock

On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:28:03 +
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Should it be necessary to reboot to get new hardware recognised?  In specific 
 terms, in my struggle with usb devices, I have not yet got my camera 
 recognised.  If I try different usb connections, will I need a reboot?  I 
 have been assuming that I don't.  If I'm wrong, I need to start again.
 
 Anne
 
Have you disabled Supermount?  If I'm not mistaken, a USB camera is seen as USB 
storage (maybe /dev/sda1??).  If Supermount is disabled, then you would have to 
manually mount it.  Is your usb hub powered?  Some USB devices require more power than 
what can be delivered from the computer's USB port and need a powered hub to operate 
reliably. 

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Re: [newbie] netatalk

2002-12-21 Per discussione T C

I'm not terribly familier with setting up Samba with the tools now
available. The last time I dealt with Samba I had to hack the config
file for it by hand, but now it doesn't seem to be that difficult. You
mentioned NetBIOS, does NetBIOS have to be installed for DAVE to work,
or is it already a part of a Linux installation?
And thanks for your help, I appreciate your assistance. 

TC
 
 DAVE 3.1 is a Netbios client that plugs into your Chooser - it allows
 for browsing of Netbios shares (on Windows or linux) - does not
 interfere with Appletalk network configurations at all.
 
 I have been using it for quite some years as I was tasked to
 incorporate
 Macs into a primarily Windows network - and being that the graphics
 department would not part with their Macs - which would have been a
 tremendous waste of money, it was easier to integrate them into the
 NT
 domain via DAVE. That way, the Macs and PC's would all be seeing the
 same network shares, the Macs would use Outlook for email and MS
 Office
 for whatever else...everyone was happy, and it saved the company tens
 of
 thousands of dollars - NOT that anyone thanked me in the end...
 


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Re: [newbie] Can anyone use XMMS and select a dir to play in the playlist?

2002-12-21 Per discussione [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It freezes for about 5 min for me when I try to look at something in the mnt 
dir.  But I think that's a bug in something else.  I believe konqueror does 
the same thing on the same dir.

On Saturday 21 December 2002 05:59 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
 I know I cannot...  It freezes immediately.  With the MDK 8.2 version it
 worked flawlessly.  What the hell is wrong with it?  Does it need
 updating?  I haven't checked this yet...

 If I use its playlist editor  try to select any directory to play (IE,
 play the contents of the whole dir) it freezes.  Even a Kill -9 pid# will
 NOT work.  It just sits there in TOP and refuses to die.  Wth?  I've never
 seen that behaviour before.  :(

 Even Root cannot get rid of the damn thing.  Yet start it from a command
 line it doesn't work either properly.  But if I open a file manager, and
 drop the dir onto the play list editor manually, it works fine!  Umm
 serious bug? :\

 -
 FemmeFatale

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 We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that
 character from Peanuts.

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[newbie] StarOffice Wrong Parameter?

2002-12-21 Per discussione Bob Read

Star Office 6.0  will let me create a documemt
and print it -- but not save it.  It tells me
it has been started under a wrong parameter,
and then closes abruptly.

What am I doing wrong?

TIA

Bob

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Re: [newbie] Can anyone use XMMS and select a dir to play in the playlist?

2002-12-21 Per discussione Derek Jennings

That freezing when looking in the /mnt directory happens on my laptop when the 
removable floppy drive is not plugged in.

The solution for me was to either disable the drive in the BIOS, or to disable 
supermount on it.

HTH

derek


On Sunday 22 Dec 2002 1:37 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It freezes for about 5 min for me when I try to look at something in the
 mnt dir.  But I think that's a bug in something else.  I believe konqueror
 does the same thing on the same dir.

 On Saturday 21 December 2002 05:59 pm, FemmeFatale wrote:
  I know I cannot...  It freezes immediately.  With the MDK 8.2 version it
  worked flawlessly.  What the hell is wrong with it?  Does it need
  updating?  I haven't checked this yet...
 
  If I use its playlist editor  try to select any directory to play (IE,
  play the contents of the whole dir) it freezes.  Even a Kill -9 pid#
  will NOT work.  It just sits there in TOP and refuses to die.  Wth?  I've
  never seen that behaviour before.  :(
 
  Even Root cannot get rid of the damn thing.  Yet start it from a command
  line it doesn't work either properly.  But if I open a file manager, and
  drop the dir onto the play list editor manually, it works fine!  Umm
  serious bug? :\
 
  -
  FemmeFatale
 
  Good Decisions You boss Made:
  We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that
  character from Peanuts.
 
  - Source: Dilbert

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

2002-12-21 Per discussione Ronald J. Hall

On Saturday 21 December 2002 12:17 am, you wrote:
 Mandrake got slashdotted today, I just saw the article, then I saw an
 email from the Mandrake team.

 http://slashdot.org/articles/02/12/20/1815214.shtml?tid=147

 I also read

 http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3

 After reading that, and considering how much Mandrake linux has come to
 mean to me, I've decided to upgrade my membership.  I was wondering, how
 many peeps here are going to either join the Mandrake club or upgrade
 their membership?  I'm just curious, and was looking for a show of hands.
 ??

 --LX

Well, I'm already a club member, and just renewed. I don't know about 
upgrading...

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Re: [newbie] More 9.0 questions.

2002-12-21 Per discussione Ronald J. Hall

On Saturday 21 December 2002 08:12 am, you wrote:

To disable: APIC, use 'noapic', for ACPI use 'acpi=off', to limit
 memory requests to 4k use 'mem=nopentium'EG,

 append= mem=nopentium acpi=off noapic devfs=mount whatever_else

Well, stuff me and bake me in my own sauce :-(

I was using noapic nopentium and noacpi. Guess that doesn't work, huh? 
using closest heavy metal object to bang various parts of head

Geez, i just spent the last 8-10 hours reinstalling 8.2 and setting it up my 
way.

sigh Guess I'll go try 9.0 just - ONE - more time

Thanks Tom, I appreciate the post...

I'll report back in a few hours as to how it comes out...

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[newbie] Mozilla

2002-12-21 Per discussione David Williams

In my effort to fix my SAMBA problem, I have somehow broken Mozilla.
This occurred when the system lost the ethernet card and wouldn't connect 
online. I get that fixed but Mozilla was broke.
When I run Mozilla, it acts like it is loading and then goes away.
I have the Gnome system monitor running and Mozilla gobbles up a huge chunk of 
memory (256MBytes) before it stops trying to load.
This occurs under root as well as my user name.
Anyone have any ideas that I could try before I go and re-install it.
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Re: [newbie] [Newbie]I have a sticky situation/installation issue,Triple booting WinXP, Win2K MDK

On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 10:55, FemmeFatale wrote:
 
 Problem:  It is a logical partition and is on a totally different 
 drive.  Now I know Winfucksme likes to redo your MBR w/out asking  without 
 any prompting.  Lovely... so how can I fix that afterwards?  LILO is the 
 boot manager right now, and it works fine.  Win2k is getting along nicely  
 I want to keep it that way.
 
 Am I playing with fire even thinking this can work?!
 Thx
 -
 FemmeFatale

1.) Format that partition with VFAT.
2.) Start the XP installation and make sure you point to that partition
- do not let it format the partition.

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Re: [newbie] netatalk

On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 11:53, T C wrote:
 I'm not terribly familier with setting up Samba with the tools now
 available. The last time I dealt with Samba I had to hack the config
 file for it by hand, but now it doesn't seem to be that difficult. You
 mentioned NetBIOS, does NetBIOS have to be installed for DAVE to work,
 or is it already a part of a Linux installation?
 And thanks for your help, I appreciate your assistance. 
 
 TC

The only two things you should have to do with your /etc/samba/smb.conf
is to make sure your workgroup name is setup correctly, and setup at
least the one share publicly.

Restart smb and you're good to go (or at least should be).

SMB/NMBD emulate netbios protocol - so for linux to see/touch/feel
Windows machines (or a Mac running DAVE), you're going to have to deal
with Samba.

EZ'ier way to deal with Samba is through Webmin and SWAT.

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Re: [newbie] Can anyone use XMMS and select a dir to play in the playlist?

2002-12-21 Per discussione Dennis Myers

On Saturday 21 December 2002 06:23 am, mycal62 wrote:
 I just tried it and it works fine for me in MDK 9  through a SB live
 gamer card, using a via chipset.


 Probably not xmms , more likely a hardware, or config problem

 Mike McNeese

 Springdale,
 Arkansas USA

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  Then you have lost sight of your goal! 

 FemmeFatale wrote:
  I know I cannot...  It freezes immediately.  With the MDK 8.2 version
  it worked flawlessly.  What the hell is wrong with it?  Does it need
  updating?  I haven't checked this yet...
 
  If I use its playlist editor  try to select any directory to play
  (IE, play the contents of the whole dir) it freezes.  Even a Kill -9
  pid# will NOT work.  It just sits there in TOP and refuses to die.
  Wth?  I've never seen that behaviour before.  :(
 
  Even Root cannot get rid of the damn thing.  Yet start it from a
  command line it doesn't work either properly.  But if I open a file
  manager, and drop the dir onto the play list editor manually, it works
  fine!  Umm serious bug? :\
 
  -
  FemmeFatale
 
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  We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that
  character from Peanuts.
 
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Re: [newbie] More 9.0 questions.

On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 13:27, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 On Saturday 21 December 2002 08:12 am, you wrote:
 
 To disable: APIC, use 'noapic', for ACPI use 'acpi=off', to limit
  memory requests to 4k use 'mem=nopentium'EG,
 
  append= mem=nopentium acpi=off noapic devfs=mount whatever_else
 
 Well, stuff me and bake me in my own sauce :-(
 
 I was using noapic nopentium and noacpi. Guess that doesn't work, huh? 
 using closest heavy metal object to bang various parts of head
 
 Geez, i just spent the last 8-10 hours reinstalling 8.2 and setting it up my 
 way.
 
 sigh Guess I'll go try 9.0 just - ONE - more time
 
 Thanks Tom, I appreciate the post...
 
 I'll report back in a few hours as to how it comes out...
 
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...some undocumented kernel parameters to pass to the kernel at boot:

append=crash-and-burn ide=erasembr idebus=8mhz --disable-other-boot

append=actlikebootbutenterkernelpanic

append=thrash-ide-relentlessly

append=boot-only-initrd --wait-60-seconds --kernel-panic

append=--nobios --nopnp --noisa --nopci --noide --noagp

append=endless-loop

append=erase-mandrake-install-redhat

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

2002-12-21 Per discussione Pat Koch

On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 00:17, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
 Mandrake got slashdotted today, I just saw the article, then I saw an
 email from the Mandrake team.
 
 http://slashdot.org/articles/02/12/20/1815214.shtml?tid=147
 
 I also read
 
 http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3
 
 After reading that, and considering how much Mandrake linux has come to
 mean to me, I've decided to upgrade my membership.  I was wondering, how
 many peeps here are going to either join the Mandrake club or upgrade
 their membership?  I'm just curious, and was looking for a show of hands.
 ??
 
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power pack at the store. I just hope they can hang in there. I really
enjoy Mandrake and do not look forward to time when they are not around.
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Re: [newbie] [Newbie]I have a sticky situation/installation issue, Triple booting WinXP, Win2K MDK

2002-12-21 Per discussione bascule

just a comment, when i installed winxp pro corp it left the mbr alone lilo was 
already there it was there afterwards, all i had to do was alter lilo.conf to 
add an entry for winxp and run /sbin/lilo

bascule


 Problem:  It is a logical partition and is on a totally different
 drive.  Now I know Winfucksme likes to redo your MBR w/out asking  without
 any prompting.  Lovely... so how can I fix that afterwards?  LILO is the
 boot manager right now, and it works fine.  Win2k is getting along nicely 
 I want to keep it that way.

 Am I playing with fire even thinking this can work?!
 Thx
 -
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Re: [newbie] .....S.....l.....o.....w..... Printing in The GIMP

2002-12-21 Per discussione James Dawson

I managed to get it to work by printing through KPrinter. Everything seems to 
be working fine now.

On Thursday 19 December 2002 10:35 pm, Erik Farnsworth wrote:
 On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 21:58, James Dawson wrote:
  On Thursday 19 December 2002 12:39 am, Erik Farnsworth wrote:
   In ConfigurationKDESystemPrinting Manger printer propertieswhat
   are your settings?
 
  I assume these are the settings you are talking about:
 
  Output Mode:Color
  Resolution: 360 DPI
  Media Size: Letter
  Media Type: Plain Paper
  Brightness: 1.000
  Contrast:   1.000
  Cyan:   1.000
  Density:1.000
  Dither Algorithm:   Adaptive Hybrid
  Image Type: Photograph
  Ink Type:   Six Color Photo
  Magenta:1.000
  Saturation: 1.000
  Yellow: 1.000

 o.kmine is similar, although I have a Stylus Color 740.  My
 resolution is set to 720X720 (ghostscript) and 720 dpi (resolution).
 also, my ink type is set to 4 color standard (but there may be a
 difference in the color cartridges available for your epson--??)  my
 setup is foomatic+gimp-print with CUPS and image type is continuous-tone
 photographs.

 That setup works great for me in the gimp, plus mozilla, Oo, and
 others.  A lot of darker colors in the image seems to slow it a
 little...but only by a minute or so

   Have you set the correct number of colors?  have you set it for
   photographic?  Have you set a reasonable dpi?...overkill on the
   resolution, especially if other settings are incorrect or marginal,
   will make a huge difference in the output
  
   have you turn mtink in a terminal window (as superuser) to make sure
   all is set correctly there?
 
  Yes. Everything is fine save for some minor head cloging...
 
   On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 22:09, James Dawson wrote:
Help!
   
I am trying to print a picture in The GIMP but there are two
problems.
   
First is that the printing is unberably slow. It takes something like
3 hours (no exageration!) to print out the 2x3 picture I'm working
on.
   
Second, when the printout is finally complete it is so washed out
that it is almost invisible!
   
I am using Mandrake 9.0 (GIMP 1.2.3 included on the Mandrake CD)
printing to an Epson Stylus Photo 820 via USB. Printing in other
applications (including the printer test page) is fine. When I print
to my other printer (a Brother HL-1850 laser printer) it prints out
fine (albeit not in color...)
   
Does anyone know what might be the problem?
   
Thanks in advance.
   

   
   
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[newbie] Mice Issues

2002-12-21 Per discussione Michael Paul



Hi there everyone..

 Been lurking for awhile and have learned some stuff. This one has got me
stumped. My laptop has a glidepad mouse, but I also like to use a USB mouse
when there is room. I've messed around with mouse stuff and now have managed
to kill both of them! heh..

 Of course, navigating around kde is a real pain without a mouse. So, I need
to know how to 1, get my mouse back, and 2, configure mandrake so that I can
use both mice together if I want. Or even so I can use one or the other. I
would prefer to be able to use both at once, that way I can just unplug the
USB mouse and move the lappy if I need to without reconfiguring.

Thanks for the help!
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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

2002-12-21 Per discussione Lee

On Saturday 21 December 2002 11:19 am, you wrote:
  At the risk of offending some, I will give my thoughts, which will
  probably be unpopular (dons flame-retardant suit).

 Yes what you had to say will probably offend some, but honestly a
 free-flow of ideas, expressed in a thoughtful manner such as you
 presented your ideas, should never offend.

  1. This whole situation leaves me with an unsettled feeling. I am not
  comfortable with begging as a business strategy and this is the second
  time this year. From other comments I have seen, this is already
  starting to get old for many.

 I don't necessarily like begging either, but what makes me even more
 uneasy is the though that Mandrake might fold in the not too distant
 future, or than Mandrake 9.1 might be held up for lack of money.  That
 is to say that a release should never go gold for purely monetary
 reasons, but rather when it's genuinely ready.

 I was strictly a Redhat user until a few months ago, when I converted to
 Mandrake.  I absolutely hated Mandrake 8.2, but really liked 9.  And now
 because I didn't like the path Redhat was taking I have converted my
 laptop and two servers to Mandrake linux and would seriously hate to see
 their services impacted in any way!

  2. Mandrake is one of the most popular distros. See
  http://www.distrowatch.com/  Of all the distros listed, why does
  Mandrake keep begging for cash? It looks to me like they are still
  suffering from some _very bad_ business decisions, mostly unrelated to
  Linux (the repositioning as an e-learning company fiasco). Are current
  Mandrake users supposed to bail out the company for the sins of the
  previous managment? Perhapsif Mandrake is to prosper (which is
  different from survival).

 Well unfortunately we all don't seem to have much of a choice.  They are
 in the position and it's either sink or swim, and philosophy has nothing
 to do with it truly.

  3. It appears that current management is under tremendous pressure from
  their venture capital investors to become profitable so their
  investments will pay off. I am not sure that it is my responsibility to
  contribute to this.

 It would probably help us all to understand this a bit better to know
 exactly what is drawing down revenue still.  Contracts?  Would just be
 nice to know.

  4. I use Mandrake, like it, and have purchased boxed sets. I wish them
  well and hope they develop a viable business plan, but frankly, begging
  is an embarrassment to the entire community. M$ must laughing its ass
  off.

 Well I also purchased, or rather ordered a boxed set of Mandrake 9
 months ago, but never received it and despite many contacts, both by
 phone and via email I never found out what happened to my order, until I
 received an email from one of their marketing people.  I vented on her
 and my email quickly got passed to someone up their marketing chain who
 promised to cancel my order and refund my credit card... which still
 hasn't been done after quite some time.  Recent emails to the person who
 personally promised me they would refund my credit card have gone
 unanswered and I finally wrote a letter to my credit card issuer
 refuting the charges.  They're now looking into it and can handle this
 for me.

 Despite Mandrake's money problems, they blew this whole roll out in a
 major fashion.  I think too few people are talking about their problems
 getting the software they purchased and it's that experience, in my mind
 which causes me to now be a little more careful about how I give them my
 money.  I'll wait from now on until the boxed sets are on store shelves
 before I purchase.  At least that way I can guarantee I get what I paid
 for!

  5. If Mandrake dies the torch will be picked up by others and the Linux
  community will survive. Those who support Mandrake now will move to
  another distro and help it become stronger. The future of Linux is
  bright, but there will be shakeouts along the way. Remember, that which
  does not kill us makes us stronger. Will Mandrake still be standing at
  the end of the day? I don't know, but the Linux community will be
  stronger.

 Honestly I think that's terrible, and reeks too much of scavenging.
 Mandrake has produced a great product but got itself in a bind by bad
 business decisions, unrelated to their product.  For them to fail based
 on unrelated business matters would be a terrible waste of time and
 effort.  The object should be to make this thrive and succeed.  We
 should help where we can, but we should also insist that Mandrake divest
 itself of whatever is holding it down.

 Anthony

Curious as a businessman of some experience.  Can you say what these bad 
business decisions were?  I don't mind shovelling a bit more down the tube, 
but I would be interested in  why it's necessary.

And I can't stand the grovelling.

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla

2002-12-21 Per discussione Mark Weaver

David Williams wrote:

In my effort to fix my SAMBA problem, I have somehow broken Mozilla.
This occurred when the system lost the ethernet card and wouldn't connect 
online. I get that fixed but Mozilla was broke.
When I run Mozilla, it acts like it is loading and then goes away.
I have the Gnome system monitor running and Mozilla gobbles up a huge chunk of 
memory (256MBytes) before it stops trying to load.
This occurs under root as well as my user name.
Anyone have any ideas that I could try before I go and re-install it.
David

David,

try starting mozilla from a terminal window and see what output comes to 
the screen as mozilla is starting and then subsequently fails. You could 
also start mozilla using gdb.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake update

2002-12-21 Per discussione Lee

On Saturday 21 December 2002 06:26 pm, you wrote:
 On Saturday 21 December 2002 04:17 pm, Seth Williamson wrote:
  I just installed Mandrake 9.0 on my system today for the first time.
 
  I am puzzled by the behavior of the Mandrake update system.
 
  When I start it, it (seemingly) just sits there for three or four or five
  minutes doing nothing.  The first time I tried the update, I thought the
  system had locked up or something and nothing was happening.  But
  apparently, it's working, but moving very S-L-O-W-L-Y.
 
  Another two or three minutes elapses between all the other steps of
  determining what packages are needed, contacting the mirror sites, and
  finally downloading and installing the software.  The downloads
  themselves seem to proceed at a normal rate for my connection.
 
  Then, once the software is downloaded and installed, I can't seem to kill
  rmpdrake.  It just sits there.  After it tells me the software was
  installed successfully, and I OK out of that little box, then I hit the
  quit button, but the button won't depress, suggesting that the app is
  locked up or just not responding.  I have to kill it with xkill.
 
  Is this normal behavior?  I don't have a particularly fast
  connection--I'm on dial-up at 56K--but coming from a Debian distro
  (Libranet), the whole thing seems clunky and slow to me, and it strikes
  me as a bad idea that newbies can't tell if the update operation is
  actually moving along, or if it's locked up.

 Not normal behavior, but I can't say what might be wrong. Maybe uninstall
 rpmdrake and reinstall it from the CDs? HTH

The upgrade is much more satisfying information-wise when done from terminal. 
 Instead of sitting there you can watch all sorts of things happen.

Some day I'll understand what's happening, but for the time being, it's just 
gratifying to know I've not frozen.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

2002-12-21 Per discussione Lyvim Xaphir


--- Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Curious as a businessman of some experience.  Can you say what these bad 
 business decisions were?  I don't mind shovelling a bit more down the tube, 
 but I would be interested in  why it's necessary.
 
 And I can't stand the grovelling.
 
 Lee

I find it disagreeable to call this grovelling.  I think it's more along the lines
of honesty, and having integrity enough to be honest with both their customers and
their employees.  Nobody is under some kind of illusion of being in a rosegarden
right now, tiptoeing through the tulips.

But just for the sake of argument, let's call it grovelling for a moment.  If you
want to look at it that way, then I feel sure that the employees of Enron, Golden
Crossing, Worldcom, or various and sundry other enterprises in recent months
probably feel very strongly that the business executives of said corporations
could have benefitted in the extreme from some grovelling instead of making
consious adult choices to be a bunch of self interested, arrogant greedy dirtbags. 
Those bastards could benefit from a dumptruck load of grovelling.

Whatever you want to call it, a decided lack of arrogance and a decided bonus of
honesty at the top is genuinely a diamond in the business world these days.  I
commend the Mandrake people for doing it.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital

2002-12-21 Per discussione Lee

On Sunday 22 December 2002 01:41 am, you wrote:
 --- Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Curious as a businessman of some experience.  Can you say what these bad
  business decisions were?  I don't mind shovelling a bit more down the
  tube, but I would be interested in  why it's necessary.
 
  And I can't stand the grovelling.
 
  Lee

 I find it disagreeable to call this grovelling.  I think it's more along
 the lines of honesty, and having integrity enough to be honest with both
 their customers and their employees.  Nobody is under some kind of illusion
 of being in a rosegarden right now, tiptoeing through the tulips.

 But just for the sake of argument, let's call it grovelling for a moment. 
 If you want to look at it that way, then I feel sure that the employees of
 Enron, Golden Crossing, Worldcom, or various and sundry other enterprises
 in recent months probably feel very strongly that the business executives
 of said corporations could have benefitted in the extreme from some
 grovelling instead of making consious adult choices to be a bunch of self
 interested, arrogant greedy dirtbags. Those bastards could benefit from a
 dumptruck load of grovelling.

 Whatever you want to call it, a decided lack of arrogance and a decided
 bonus of honesty at the top is genuinely a diamond in the business world
 these days.  I commend the Mandrake people for doing it.

 --LX


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Re: [newbie] Mice Issues