[newbie-it] icewm e icone
Ciao a tutti. Una domandina: è possibile mettere delle icone sul dsktop con icewm? E, se si, come si fa? __ Yahoo! Mail: 6MB di spazio gratuito, 30MB per i tuoi allegati, l'antivirus, il filtro Anti-spam http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie-it] x session su netboot
On Monday 10 November 2003 01:02, miKe wrote: stesso monitor e stesso hardware? Si', monitor e scheda grafica sono uguali... Ho provato anche a mettere come scheda grafica standard VGA, ma il risultato e' lo stesso: schermo completamente nero e nessuna possibilita' di fermare x se non riavviando, visto che anche le console non funzionano piu'... Il boot della macchina e' via rete, e il filesystem e' su nfs, non so se queste cose possono essere un problema... Comunque, allego il file di configurazione di xfree e il log, sperando che da quelli riusciate a capire come aiutarmi... Grazie mille! Chiara spiega bene il problema Sigh, aiutatemi per favore... Bye, Chiara - -- bye miKe ^ Slackware 8.1 GNU/Linux 2.4.22--jl12 @ ASUS S1N 1330c R.U.219755 - S.R.U.705 - R.M.110932 - MajaGLUG Member -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rtWuF/9fksDJ4y0RArInAKCghZjWMBZnTnb4DMXQ+7P0tXouMwCfbQRJ aBpXrxmbVDtzpofa1R6YKfg= =ByL4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Darei la vita per essere morto... (Della Morte Dell'Amore) # File generated by xf86config. # # Copyright (c) 1999 by The XFree86 Project, Inc. # # Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a # copy of this software and associated documentation files (the Software), # to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation # the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, # and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the # Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: # # The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in # all copies or substantial portions of the Software. # # THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR # IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, # FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL # THE XFREE86 PROJECT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, # WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF # OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE # SOFTWARE. # # Except as contained in this notice, the name of the XFree86 Project shall # not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other # dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from the # XFree86 Project. # # ** # Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of # this file. # ** # ** # Module section -- this section is used to specify # which dynamically loadable modules to load. # ** # Section Module # This loads the DBE extension module. Loaddbe # Double buffer extension # This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables # initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module. SubSection extmod Optionomit xfree86-dga # don't initialise the DGA extension EndSubSection # This loads the Type1 and FreeType font modules Loadtype1 Loadspeedo #Loadfreetype #Loadxtt # This loads the GLX module #Load glx # This loads the DRI module #Load dri EndSection # ** # Files section. This allows default font and rgb paths to be set # ** Section Files # The location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like .txt or .db). There is normally # no need to change the default. RgbPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together), # as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath # command (or a combination of both methods) # # If you don't have a floating point coprocessor and emacs, Mosaic or other # programs take long to start up, try moving the Type1 and Speedo directory # to the end of this list (or comment them out). # FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled #FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled #FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/ #FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/ #FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/ #FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/freefont/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ #FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ # The module search path. The default path is
[newbie-it] Sempre x-session: framebuffer (x Mike)
Spulciando nell'archivio, ho trovato questa tua mail: puoi sempre entrare con un editor in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 e sostituire alla chiamata al modulo radeon, il modulo vga o vesa o fbdev il primo permette la massima compatibilità ma funziona solo a 256 colori e al massimo a 640*480 (mi pare che riconosca solo 256K di memoria video.. non ho installato i man di xfre.. .) poi hai vesa, il modulo che ti ho suggerito l'altra volta, hai risoluzione svga, quindi puoi intanto lanciare X se t servono i tool grafici l'ultimo è il framebuffer un modo un pò particolare, ma compatibile anche con le caffettiere richiede che la risoluzione sia passata da lilo ... Siccome che ho gia' provato con vga e non ho avuto esiti positivi, volevo chiederti se potresti spiegarmi cosa sarebbe questo framebuffer e come posso provare ad usarlo. Oppure indicami degli howto... Ho provato a passare al kernel in fase di boot vga=normal e vga=extended, e non ho riscontrato problemi. Ho provato anche con vga=788, letto da qualche parte in internet e quindi non so cosa voglia dire, ma il risultato e' lo stesso: schermo nero e pc frizzato... Qualche indicazione? Grazie, Chiara -- Darei la vita per essere morto... (Della Morte Dell'Amore)
[newbie-it] data nella shell
Come si fa a dire al caro linux che la data nella shell me la deve visualizzare gg-mm- e non -mm-gg? Che e' abbastanza fastidioso dover faticare ogni volta che si vuole capire quando e' stato creato un file... Grazie! Chiara -- Darei la vita per essere morto... (Della Morte Dell'Amore)
[newbie-it] server dhcp
Ciao. Vorrei sapere se esiste un modo per configurare il server dhcp in modo che risponda solo alle richieste che arrivano su una determinata scheda di rete, e dove posso trovare informazioni a riguardo. Grazie mille. Chiara -- Darei la vita per essere morto... (Della Morte Dell'Amore)
Re: [newbie-it] fetchmail, procmail et similia
E' inutile che tu faccia finta di nulla e ti guardi intorno, caro Nevermind, perche' ho le prove, il martedì 11 novembre 2003, alle 21:12 hai scritto: Alle 21:29, martedì 11 novembre 2003, Arwan ha scritto: Per configurare mutt (che e' alla fine della catena fetchmail+sendmail, ma puo' essere sostiutito da qualcos'altro) ho letto gli appunti di Michele Antonecchia, La posta con Mutt. E poi, Grazie Arwan, dove trovo questi appunti e magari qualcosa di pubblicato in rete su questa catena? Che poi magari ne faccio un how-to completo e lo pubblico sul sito che sto approntando sulla programmazione e sul mondo informatico... ;) Gli appunti di Antonecchia non ricordo, ma credo che Google possa aiutarti. Aspe'... la mia stampa non e' venuta bene, ma credo che il sito sia www.telug.it. Arwan -- MajaGlug: quando il Lug e' solo un pretesto - www.teppisti.it
[newbie-it] Sony Vaio GRT816M e Gnu/Linux
Ciao a tutti, ho un problema. Sto cercando di installare la Mandrake 9.2 su un portatile Sony Vaio GRT816M ma l'installazione si blocca credo sulla rilevazione delle porte USB, la stessa cosa succede con la Mandrake 9.1. C'e' nessuno che sa consigliarmi una distribuzione che possa funzionare con il Sony o che sappia come eseguire l'installazione. Fino ad ora utilizzo un Dell Inspiron 8000 senza nessun problema. Vorrei fosse lo stesso con il Sony. Grazie in anticipo. Walter.
[newbie-it] Connessione ad internet
Alle 20:14, lunedì 20 ottobre 2003, Pollo ha scritto: Scusate se ho già postato una mail con questo quesito, ma solo oggi sono riuscito a fare ciò che mi aveva consigliato Fabio: usare tcpdump per controllare il traffico di rete. Il problema è il seguente: ogni tanto la connessione ad internet si blocca. Mi spiego meglio. Per collegarmi ad internet ho una connessione dial-up 56k con Libero come ISP e mdk9.1 come SO; a volte, dopo qualche minuto che sono connesso, non riesco più a ricevere dati anche se la connessione in realtà non cade. Il tempo dopo il quale scatta il blocco e' casuale ed e' dell'ordine grossomodo della decina di minuti. Ho lanciato da root tcpdump sull'interfaccia ppp0 e ho provato a fare un ping a www.libero.it ed ecco l'output di tcpdump: 21:45:08.256230 151.25.182.151.32794 193.70.192.25.domain: 20143+ A? www.libero.it. (31) (DF) 21:45:13.259582 151.25.182.151.32795 193.70.152.25.domain: 20143+ A? www.libero.it. (31) (DF) 21:45:16.268394 151.25.182.151.32796 193.70.192.25.domain: 20143+ A? www.libero.it. (31) (DF) 21:45:22.278299 151.25.182.151.32794 193.70.192.25.domain: 20143+ A? www.libero.it. (31) (DF) 21:45:27.288293 151.25.182.151.32795 193.70.152.25.domain: 20143+ A? www.libero.it. (31) (DF) 21:45:30.298377 151.25.182.151.32796 193.70.192.25.domain: 20143+ A? www.libero.it. (31) (DF) 21:45:36.308412 151.25.182.151.32796 193.70.192.25.domain: 20144+ A? www.libero.it.gallonet.org. (44) (DF) 21:45:39.828286 151.25.182.151.33215 192.92.126.221.webcache: F 0:0(0) ack 1 win 62780 (DF) 21:45:41.318363 151.25.182.151.32797 193.70.152.25.domain: 20144+ A? www.libero.it.gallonet.org. (44) (DF) 21:45:44.329541 151.25.182.151.32798 193.70.192.25.domain: 20144+ A? www.libero.it.gallonet.org. (44) (DF) 21:45:50.338384 151.25.182.151.32796 193.70.192.25.domain: 20144+ A? www.libero.it.gallonet.org. (44) (DF) 21:45:55.348367 151.25.182.151.32797 193.70.152.25.domain: 20144+ A? www.libero.it.gallonet.org. (44) (DF) 21:45:58.358299 151.25.182.151.32798 193.70.192.25.domain: 20144+ A? www.libero.it.gallonet.org. (44) (DF) Da quanto ho capito non riesce a risolvere il nome www.libero.it. Allora ho provato a pingare l'ip remoto della connessione ppp ma non ho ricevuto nessun feed-back: 21:46:30.805743 151.25.182.151 193.70.192.25: icmp: echo request (DF) 21:46:31.818407 151.25.182.151 193.70.192.25: icmp: echo request (DF) 21:46:32.818361 151.25.182.151 193.70.192.25: icmp: echo request (DF) 21:46:33.818427 151.25.182.151 193.70.192.25: icmp: echo request (DF) 21:46:34.819226 151.25.182.151 193.70.192.25: icmp: echo request (DF) Qualcuno di voi ha idea di cosa succede alla mia connessione? Ho configurato male il mio pc linux oppure è libero che fa le bizze? Grazie mille, Pollo.
Re: [newbie-it] server dhcp
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Alle 12:02, mercoledì 12 novembre 2003, in merito a [newbie-it] server
dhcp , Chiara ha scritto a [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
Ciao.
Vorrei sapere se esiste un modo per configurare il server dhcp in
modo che risponda solo alle richieste che arrivano su una determinata
scheda di rete, e dove posso trovare informazioni a riguardo.
subnet 10.22.115.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
option domain-name-servers dns.gsi.it;
option domain-name gsi.it;
option routers 195.x.x.200;
range 195.x.x.21 195.x.x.160;
}
subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.100;
option routers 192.168.0.31;
}
in questo modo gestisco le due sottoreti,e non ho problemi
invece se vuoi che il dhcp ascolti solo su una scheda puoi lanciarlo con
lo switch -d ethx
Grazie mille.
Chiara
- --
bye
miKe
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Re: [newbie-it] Sempre x-session: framebuffer (x Mike)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle 11:37, mercoledì 12 novembre 2003, in merito a [newbie-it] Sempre x-session: framebuffer (x Mike) , Chiara ha scritto a [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Spulciando nell'archivio, ho trovato questa tua mail: puoi sempre entrare con un editor in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 e sostituire alla chiamata al modulo radeon, il modulo vga o vesa o fbdev.. .. richiede che la risoluzione sia passata da lilo ... Siccome che ho gia' provato con vga e non ho avuto esiti positivi, volevo chiederti se potresti spiegarmi cosa sarebbe questo framebuffer e come posso provare ad usarlo. Oppure indicami degli howto... howto non ne ho sottomano Ho provato a passare al kernel in fase di boot vga=normal e vga=extended, e non ho riscontrato problemi. in questo caso non usi il framebuffer Ho provato anche con vga=788, letto da qualche parte in internet e quindi non so cosa voglia dire, ma il risultato e' lo stesso: schermo nero e pc frizzato... al lancio di X ? non vorrei che ci fosse qualche problema, hai sostituito il modulo vesa con fbdev? ti mando in attach un file , per usare fbdev in ogni caso, nei file che hai mandato prima non ho visto errori, certo aver il filesystem su nfs potrebbe comlicare le cose, ma se esporti una / per ogni client (come suppongo)e ipermessi sono settati correttamente... per iniziare prova a passare valori più conservativi di 788, usando questo schema: # Colours 640x480 800x600 1024x768 # +- # 256 | 769 771 773 # 32,768 | 784 787 790 # 65,536 | 785 788 791 # 16.8M | 786 789 792 modificato lilo e XF86Config riavvia e controlla i log Qualche indicazione? Grazie, Chiara - -- bye miKe ^ Slackware 8.1 GNU/Linux 2.4.22--jl12 @ ASUS S1N 1330c R.U.219755 - S.R.U.705 - R.M.110932 - MajaGLUG Member -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ssgXF/9fksDJ4y0RAtPoAJ47Eow5gGsffPUMtG2sJHPndg32jACfXQk6 Qlhv+fvjdL5Ct6q3BasqnqM= =bpfL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Al Garden Center Peraga fioriscono nuove iniziative: ecco i Tour Day Peraga, per andare alla scoperta del Canavese! INFO 0125 665500 Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=1613d=13-11# File generated by xf86config. # # Copyright (c) 1999 by The XFree86 Project, Inc. # # Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a # copy of this software and associated documentation files (the Software), # to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation # the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, # and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the # Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: # # The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in # all copies or substantial portions of the Software. # # THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR # IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, # FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL # THE XFREE86 PROJECT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, # WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF # OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE # SOFTWARE. # # Except as contained in this notice, the name of the XFree86 Project shall # not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other # dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from the # XFree86 Project. # # ** # Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of # this file. # ** # This XF86Config file is designed for use with the Linux framebuffer console. # This generic interface should work with nearly all video cards (although # not every card will support every resolution). To use the Linux framebuffer # console, you need to enable these kernel options: # Using 'make menuconfig', in 'console drivers', enable: # [*] VGA text console # [*] Video mode selection support # [*] Support for frame buffer devices (EXPERIMENTAL) # [*] VESA VGA graphics console # [*] Advanced low level driver options # * 8 bpp packed pixels support # * 16 bpp packed pixels support # * 24 bpp packed pixels support # * 32 bpp packed pixels support # * VGA characters/attributes support # [*] Select compiled-in fonts # [*] VGA 8x8 font # [*] VGA 8x16 font # If you have a Matrox or ATI Mach64, you might try enabling the options
Re: [newbie-it] condivisione della connessionead internet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle 20:52, martedì 11 novembre 2003, in merito a [newbie-it] condivisione della connessionead internet , Mauro ha scritto a [EMAIL PROTECTED] : da una parte un pc con mdk 9.0 che dovrebbe fungere come client dall'altra un pc qualsiasi come server. I due computer sono collegati in rete (verificato tramite il solito ping). Come faccio a navigare in rete con il pc n. 1 (quello con la mdk)? sul server abilita ip forwarding tra ppp0 e eth0 ip fisso sulla eth0 nessun gateway dns del provider firewall che chiude ogni connessione da ppp0 e apre tutto su eth0 sul client ip fisso sulla eth0 gateway=ip dl server dns del provider nessun firewall Grazie mauro - -- bye miKe ^ Slackware 8.1 GNU/Linux 2.4.22--jl12 @ ASUS S1N 1330c R.U.219755 - S.R.U.705 - R.M.110932 - MajaGLUG Member -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/stOFF/9fksDJ4y0RArJgAJ9aK0URn1Ii10hMXHAWE55V+7DMTQCfYIod VFTJhpJJ+oe04YaOb/DT720= =pdXU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Il mutuo su misura per te esiste! Si chiama [EMAIL PROTECTED], clicca e richiedi on line le condizioni esclusive Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=1935d=13-11
Re: [newbie-it] fetchmail, procmail et similia
E' inutile che tu faccia finta di nulla e ti guardi intorno, caro Nevermind, perche' ho le prove, il mercoledì 12 novembre 2003, alle 23:33 hai scritto: Ma a quanto ho capito mutt è un programam testuale, giusto? esatto. Bhe, ora non mi resta di capire come fetchmail e sendmail possano funzionare con kmail, e soprattutto come successivamente sfruttare fetchmail per scaricare la posta e poi girarla a dei client windows... Mi pareva che qualcuno in lista l'avesse fatto, ma non ricordo chi. In pratica, mi spiega, cerco un sistema per fare in modo che un programam come fetchmail mi scarichi la posta dai vari pop, la filtri, e poi la metta disponibile, magari mettendo in piedi un mail server locale, a dei client che però hanno windows sopra... Fetch scarica, procmail filtra e distribuisce... il resto riguarda la lettura. Arwan -- MajaGlug: quando il Lug e' solo un pretesto - www.teppisti.it
Re: [newbie] Download Mandrake and make discs
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 21:03, Miark wrote: You need to wait a few more days. They are delaying the release of the iso images due to the LG problem. The iso's will have the solution already in the OS and should cause no one any problems. That is just my take on what has been happening and messages I have seen. I'm still using 9.1 until all the dust settles, but I'm curious: has Mandrakesoft indicated whether the re-mastered ISOs will include all other available updates, too? I understand there are already a small mountain of updates released for 9.2. Miark Haven't heard yet but I'm anxiously awaiting this one too. I'm tempted to download the whole distro tree and the updates, and then use Warly's mkcd to figure a way to do it myself. Evidently there were quite a few other people that wanted to do this because cooker is slammed with mail about this subject right now; it looks like alot of people can't get it to work. One guy was saying that mdkkdm was stopping his show. Kinda funny how gdm or the KDE display manager never crapped anything out like that. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Lets face it if winblowz wasn't full of holes then it would probably look like Linux -- Aron Smith, Mandrake OT mailing list *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] post-install 9.2 issues with mozilla and openoffice
I have now installed 9.2 on 3 machines, 2 as upgrades and the other as a full install. The two upgraded machines both have small problems. On one - a laptop - mozilla won't start. No errors displayed when run in a console, just waits a while then goes away. On the other OOo sometimes hangs at the splash screen. I can't kill the processes. Restart X and up it comes. Any ideas on either of these? TIA Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] VCD programs
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 7:10 am, Merlin Zener wrote: On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 04:19, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: Hi does the download edition of MDK 9.1 come with programs that can play VCDs? Installing Xine gives me problems with MD5 signs. Mplayer can't play VCDs. well, it's supposed to be able to. On my system it plays too fast, and the video is all messed up. I expect it's some setting I haven't found yet - I haven't looked too much so far. If I rip the .dat file to my hard drive and then play it, it plays fine. I have 2 commercially produced vcds, and they play faultlessly. What version of xine are you using? Mine is 0.9.18. If you don't have the right codecs installed you will not have buttons for the various kinds of disk. The one for vcd is called vcdx - if you don't have that you need to get plf set up as one of your sources and search for anything that matches your version of xine. Download everything you can find. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] post-install 9.2 issues with mozilla and openoffice
Brian Parish wrote: I have now installed 9.2 on 3 machines, 2 as upgrades and the other as a full install. The two upgraded machines both have small problems. On one - a laptop - mozilla won't start. No errors displayed when run in a console, just waits a while then goes away. That is not new , it sometimes behaved that way in M9.1, and I have plenty of memory, so that cannot be the issue. I usually resorted to the other app command and ran that and then selected the one I really wanted from the little icon bottom lefthand corner, and that always worked for me. The three main CL's are, /usr/bin/mozilla /usr/bin/mozilla -mail /usr/bin/mozilla -news On the other OOo sometimes hangs at the splash screen. I can't kill the processes. Restart X and up it comes. Any ideas on either of these? ps -aef | grep OpenOffice root 20325 20232 0 09:37 pts/100:00:00 grep OpenOffice kill -9 20325 or, kill -9 20232 that should kill it, what you do after than ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading glibc? possible?
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:13:50 +0700 Fajar Priyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Can I upgrade glibc using rpm Uvh? Or what is the proper way? IIRC, glibc is *it*. Your whole system is built based on that version of glibc, so changing it would break your system, not just a few packages, but the whole enchilada. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ I gained nothing at all from Supreme Enlightenment, and for that very reason it is called Supreme Enlightenment. -- Gotama Buddha Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird things in 9.2
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:40:07 -0800 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Now I know that Haywire will chime in and say it's only a problem with KDE but that is my desktop of choice and some of these tool are important to me. Now, I wouldn't wanna disappoint, now would I? It's only a problem with KDE. EG -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Ah, but a man's grasp should exceed his reach, Or what's a heaven for ? -- Robert Browning, Andrea del Sarto Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Network Install Fail, Signal 11
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:01:04 -0700 Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Does this have anything to do with your firewall? It seems I should have read the errata page. Error scenario: When doing a network install, on some recent machines, the network card seems to not respond (ie. no DHCP response received). Why: Certain motherboards still have problems with enabling APIC. Solution: When booting the installer, press F1 at the splashscreen and type linux noapic to disable APIC support. Just thought I would post this in case anyone else encountered the same error, i might test it later, just to see. Many thanks to our new friend Melissa for pointing me to the errata page. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ For fast-acting relief, try slowing down. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] bittorrent
Greetings All, Although I find Bittorrent to be a great file sharing program, I find that the uploading rate get so high that it brings down my network connection. Thus, every time I return to my computer, it is necessary to 'service network restart'. Is there a way to control the upload/download rates? SourComet Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing 'un-official' mdk rpm's
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 3:08 am, Phil Newcombe wrote: Hi all Thanks for the help on rpmdrake. Now I have another question. What's the best way of installing an un-official mandrake rpm. I am trying to get gaim to work with msn now that they have apparently tinkered with the protocol. The gaim website says it should work with a version 7.1. They have a dl link that has a 7.2 mdk rpm at the top of the list so I grabbed that but now it won't install because of dep problems. Can I use urpmi, rpm, rpmdrake or anything else to install this? Either command line or gui? -- pn If you want gaim to work with msn, then Texstar has gaim-0.71 for Mandrake 9.1, and Charles Edwards has gaim-0.71 for Mandrake 9.2/Cooker http://www.eslrahc.com/ http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms/ Texstar is urpmi enabled. For Charles' package just click on it using konqueror and the magic of gurpmi will take over. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nullmailer
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 6:03 am, Fajar Priyanto wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, After abandoning effort to install esmtp, now I've installed null-mailer. It asked for daemontools, so I installed it too. There are 3 main programs in null-mailer: nullmailer-inject nullmailer-send nullmailer-queue The installation program said that I should make a script, so that daemontools will run nullmailer-send in background. The script is: #!/bin/sh exec setuidgid nullmail nullmailer-send 21 What I don't understand is, how do I run the script? Should I put it in rc.local or what. Any experience / idea? Thanks - -- Fajar http://linux.arinet.org No idea. But I do know that ssmtp is available in Contrib for 9.0 ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake-old/9.0/i586/Mandrake/RPMS2 and it is very easy to set up. A simple config file in /etc derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux grsecurity question
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 9:17 am, Lars Westergren wrote: I have tried to lower my Mandrake msec persmissons temporarily from Higher to Poor, but I still get permission denied. Even if I put Eclipse in my home directory, change all permissions to me and give all rights to all users recursively for all files. Try putting a line in /etc/security/console.perms. It should tell msec not to change that location. Also, take a look at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/SecurityLevels and http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeSecurity Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Register programs in MDK 9.1 - Mozilla?
Hi all, I recently urpme'd my orginal mozilla installation on my 9.1 box and installed Mozilla 1.5 using the mozilla installer from the Mozillia site. Now it seems Mozilla isn't my default browser. For example, when I click on a link in GAIM or Evolution, nothing happens. Does the new installation need to be 'registered' with MDK 9.1 so it knows the new 1.5 install is my default browser? How do i fix this? Thank in advance, Tango __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:33 am, Melissa Reese wrote: Questions: 1) Why would the PowerPack ship with so many things missing, while the download site would have the more complete package? I don't think that I saw the post that prompted this but the Powerpack edition should have all of the installation files and some extras not included in the download edition. Of course, there have been a lot of patches to the original final release of 9.2 and that may be what you are referring to. If that is the case, you will be fully able to download all patches without joining the Mandrake Club as a paying member. No worries. 2) Why was this issue not presented to those of us who decided to go to the MandrakeStore and purchase our packages directly? N/A 3) Is it really fair, and indeed in keeping with the Linux philosophy to charge those of us who did purchase the PowerPack even more just to complete our installation packages? After all, even if I join the club at the lowest rate, my final purchase price will be more than if I had joined at the $120 USD Silver membership rate without purchasing the PowerPack. In fact, it will be just a few dollars less than if I had purchased the PowerPack subscription package, with the next two version upgrades included! The Mandrake Club is different, in that it provides ongoing support, ongoing RPM's that are not available elsewhere and the benefit of knowing that you are supporting the next version of your OS. Think of it this way, with Windows, you pay ~$150 for the OS but then you have to buy Antivirus software, firewall software, email client, CD Burner software, etc. ad nauseum. You can join the Mandrake Club for much less, get all of the same software and help installing it on your system. Or, you can not join Mandrake, download the software yourself and compile and install it yourself. You are essentially paying someone to do your research for you and figure things out so that you don't have to. Not a bad deal if you have more money than time. Apparently, in addition to the LG based CD ROM/CD-RW problem, there are several other possible unhappy issues listed on that site that can cause other problems during and after installation. Some of the issues don't seem so minor. Welcome to the world of running a non-Windows OS on Windows designed hardware. By definition, much of what we do is not intended by hardware manufacturers and not supported. We have to figure things out through trial and error. That is the nature of Linux and the price that we pay for freedom. Well worth it, IMHO. I'll be reading up and trying to understand all these issues more thoroughly, and about the installation patches mentioned, but my impending installation is making me a bit more nervous as the time draws closer. Forewarned is forearmed and the fact that you are doing your own research puts you miles ahead of most Windows users. There is always an answer if we look long and hard enough. A few more questions: 1) Are these sorts of problems just the way it is with this product? Or is it just that this particular version release is especially troublesome? Either way, I'm not feeling exactly wonderful about all this. Just the way it is. The exact same sort of things happen with Windows, the only difference is that you never hear about it because MS doesn't publish their bug reports. Think of it as being like Neo in the Matrix movie once he was told that his entire life had been a dream. It is certainly unsettling but the unsettling truth is still preferable to blissful ignorance. Windows is the blue pill, Linux is the red pill. 2) Does any of this mean that my soon to arrive PowerPack is expected to be kind of a lemon out of the box? Absolutely not. I am still expecting my package and expect to upgrade to 9.2 using that software and then judicious use of patches where necessary. Thanks to all my more adventurous brethren who have gone before me and helped to blaze my trail. I salute you. 3) As a total newbie getting ready to perform my first Linux installation, should I be concerned enough about these various issues that I should perhaps pay my local computer tech to come over here and hold my hand as I go through this process? It would possibly provide more certainty but you would be robbing yourself of a prime learning opportunity. The question is, do you want to remain dependent upon others or gain the knowledge for yourself. Doing is the quickest way to learning. I don't want to sound like a whining Windows wimp, but I really want to get this right, and at this point, I must say that I'm not feeling quite as optimistic as I was just a few days ago. Any ideas and/or encouragement would be greatly appreciated. Well, given that 98% of most Windows users would have already given up and gone right back to Windows, I don't think that we
Re: [newbie] 9.2 Power Pack is here
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 05:11 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: The UPS guy just delivered my 9.2 Power Pack CD's. It took them five days to get here (NC) from the Left Coast via UPS 2nd day air delivery. There's probably a Dale Jarrett joke in here somewhere... FWIW, I've seen several reports on the Club fora that the DVD's have been received -- mostly in Europe and Japan. What kernel is included? We're dying to know. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] tv tunning
mike wrote: Anarky wrote: Anarky wrote: how's mandrake on tv tuning? I'm considering buying a tv tuner .. so I'm wondering if there is hardware support for stuff like this ... how well spread is it .. any chance of having a cheapest I can find tvtuner work? Any way to check on particular models? Is there software to go with tv tuners in mandrake? How good is it? Is it just tv tuning .. or does it suport recording at certain hours or something like that ? greets thanks, well .. I bought it ... it's an Xpert TV-PVR pci (does pvr mean something?) ... I can't intal xawtv ... it gives me instalation failed, some files are missing ... weird .. though I inserted the cds stuff .. anyway .. I'll be trying it again soon with the 9.2 as soon as it becomes available for download. From what you guys are saying I could expect it to work ... but one thing I'm afraid of is that it might not encode into mpeg 2/4 as are it's hardware capabilities .. and I'd really like that ... still ... if it'll work ... well .. I'll brag about it to all my windows friends :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com PVR means Personal Video Recorder thanks PS: I have sad news ... I have re-started using windows ... I like using the remote that came with the tv tuner ... and I haven't been able to get one working in Linux ... I wish hardware manufacturers would work for Linux too :-( I'd like to be able to fully enjoy new hardware like my Palm my recent Tuner in Linux too ... not with patched software ... but with hardware manufacturer, best there is drivers :( Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] another network.img install issue (HELP) (updated)
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 12:09, Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tuesday 11 November 2003 7:20 am, Thinker wrote: I tried to ftp install it but something has gone very wrong. Using the mirror ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrake/9.2/i586/ I made the network.img floppy using rawwritewin.exe (on my Windows 2000 box) from the dosutils directory. I booted to it, brought up the network and directed it to the proper location on the server. Once everything loaded into memory, I only selected LSB, Workstation, Configuration, for the installation options. Something like 700MB or so. It took about 90 minutes and then the installation was complete. I rebooted and once in, I brought up the MCC to update the installation. Once I updated the install, everything seemed to be fine. Then I noticed the 'writing' light was on on the front of my HP 9150 8x4x32 CD-R/RW Drive. Of course I wasn't writing anything (There was no disc in the drive). The eject button gave me no response so, in true newbie fashion I assume, I rebooted. When the machine came back up and I logged in to KDE, half of the information that had been in my menu was gone. I couldn't get to the MCC, no terminals or anything. Only a few items, none of which can help me get my system back to the state it was in before I rebooted. HELP! -=Thinker Would you please, in the name of all that you consider Holy _remove that fscking reply to_ from your mail client? Charlie M. Um.. I am using Evolution 1.4.5 for mail and a quick check of ToolsSettingsMail Accounts[EMAIL PROTECTED](edit) shows that the Reply-To field you are so upset about is empty. It has been since the last time you made a big deal about one of my posts. Newbie me doesnt quite know what else to do to make it so you can get more sleep at night. :-) snip To your menu problem: Log out, or don't log-in as user from a fresh boot. From the log-in screen use Ctrl+Alt+F1 and log-in there as root. Then run the following commands: (Note: ALL commands are one liners. You can assume there are only single spaces between flags and options, mail client word wrap kills that though.) urpmi.addmedia ftp://ftp.cs.ucr.edu/pub/mirrors/mandrake/Mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS with ../base/hdlist.cz Enter This did not work. I tried it twice and all I got was a help menu. Since the first command didn't work, I didn't go any further. I did Clt+Alt+F1, logged in as root and ran update-menus -v Then Clt+Alt+F7 and all was well. Thanks Haywire/Derek. Next prompt: urpmi --auto-select Enter After you install all the relevant updates, run the next compound command. rpm --rebuilddb updatedb update-menus -n -v ldconfig enter Next prompt: Ctrl+D to exit, then Ctrl+Alt+F7 to return to the log-in screen. You should be OK. For the CD-RW problem; is that drive a re-badged LG by any chance? If so you likely killed it, which you would know if you had read any of the multitude of posts, or the warnings on the Mandrake site, in the past three weeks. I read the multitude of post and warnings on the Mandrake site. Remember, I am one of the few that keeps asking when the ISO's will be released with the fix (which you would know if you had read the multitude of posts I have made concerning the desire to install 9.2). My drive says HP so I assumed it was an HP. However, now my drive isn't even showing up in the BIOS. When I boot the machine, the lights come on but there is no mention of it in the BIOS (used to be IDE Secondary Master) and no desktop item for it in KDE (after the installation there were two CDROM icons on the desktop, now there is just one). Still, I just physically removed it from the machine. No mention of anything LG. 8x4x32 IDE Recordable/Rewritable HP C4462-5600 HP S/N PHCH02482C Where should I go from here on the drive? Is this a new issue or am I missing something? -=Thinker Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nullmailer
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 01:03 am, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
Dear all,
After abandoning effort to install esmtp, now I've installed null-mailer.
It asked for daemontools, so I installed it too.
There are 3 main programs in null-mailer:
nullmailer-inject
nullmailer-send
nullmailer-queue
The installation program said that I should make a script, so that
daemontools will run nullmailer-send in background. The script is:
#!/bin/sh
exec setuidgid nullmail nullmailer-send 21
What I don't understand is, how do I run the script? Should I put it in
rc.local or what.
Copy the script to /usr/sbin and then you can create a startup script in
/etc/init.d . I would model it after some of the others that are there to
make sure that you have a nice value set, and start and stop commands and
that it loads on the right init levels. You can use Webmin to look at your
startup and shutdown scripts and simply copy one and add the values for
nullmailer to create a startup and shutdown script for that.
Example:
#!/bin/sh
#
# nullmailer This shell script takes care of starting and stopping
# nullmailer.
#
# chkconfig: 2345 99 10
# description: nullmailer provides support for injecting mail.
[ -f /etc/nullmailer.conf ] || exit 0
. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions
# See how we were called.
case $1 in
start)
# Start daemons.
echo -n Starting nullmailer:
touch /var/lock/subsys/nullmailer
/usr/sbin/nullmailer
echo
;;
stop)
# Stop daemons.
echo -n Shutting down nullmailer:
killproc nullmailer
#killall nullmailer
echo
rm -f /var/lock/subsys/nullmailer
;;
restart)
$0 stop
$0 start
;;
status)
status nullmailer
;;
*)
echo Usage: nullmailer {start|stop|restart|status}
exit 1
esac
exit 0
--
Bryan Phinney
Software Test Engineer
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Re: [newbie] nullmailer
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 01:03 am, Fajar Priyanto wrote: Dear all, After abandoning effort to install esmtp, now I've installed null-mailer. It asked for daemontools, so I installed it too. esmtp 4.1 is in contrib for 9.2. All you have to do to install it is set up a contrib source and 'urpmi esmtp' There are 3 main programs in null-mailer: nullmailer-inject nullmailer-send nullmailer-queue The installation program said that I should make a script, so that daemontools will run nullmailer-send in background. The script is: #!/bin/sh exec setuidgid nullmail nullmailer-send 21 What I don't understand is, how do I run the script? Should I put it in rc.local or what. Any experience / idea? Thanks -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 7:33 am, Melissa Reese wrote: Questions: 1) Why would the PowerPack ship with so many things missing, while the download site would have the more complete package? 2) Why was this issue not presented to those of us who decided to go to the MandrakeStore and purchase our packages directly? 3) Is it really fair, and indeed in keeping with the Linux philosophy to charge those of us who did purchase the PowerPack even more just to complete our installation packages? After all, even if I join the club at the lowest rate, my final purchase price will be more than if I had joined at the $120 USD Silver membership rate without purchasing the PowerPack. In fact, it will be just a few dollars less than if I had purchased the PowerPack subscription package, with the next two version upgrades included! As I said, I'm all for supporting Mandrake, but this policy, if that's what this is, seems a bit peculiar to me. Calm down. The download edition, and the Powerpack edition have always had a slightly different composition. The Powerpack include commercial packages not in the download edition such as modem and nvidia drivers. However sometimes to make space for these there are sometimes useful packages left out of the Powerpack edition. But do not worry because **all** the non commercial packages are available on public servers already and your system can easily be configured to suck them down when it needs them. The only things not on public servers are the commercial packages (which you have) and 'iso images' which would enable people to create CDs of the download edition. For the next few weeks those 'iso images' are only available through Mandrake Club. This is a way to justify the Club membership by allowing Club members to burn iso's before the general public. As a purchasor of a Powerpack you have automatically become a complimentary member of Mandrake Club (is it 3 months?) so you could immediately start downloading and burning the download edition as much as you want. For the low cost of your Powerpack you have software that would cost many thousands of dollars in the Windows world. Believe me it is a bargain!! And then there is this: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3 Apparently, in addition to the LG based CD ROM/CD-RW problem, there are several other possible unhappy issues listed on that site that can cause other problems during and after installation. Some of the issues don't seem so minor. I'll be reading up and trying to understand all these issues more thoroughly, and about the installation patches mentioned, but my impending installation is making me a bit more nervous as the time draws closer. A few more questions: 1) Are these sorts of problems just the way it is with this product? Or is it just that this particular version release is especially troublesome? Either way, I'm not feeling exactly wonderful about all this. 2) Does any of this mean that my soon to arrive PowerPack is expected to be kind of a lemon out of the box? Yes there are bugs in Linux. Mandrake in particular is a leading edge distro. It has the latest and greatest of everything. In 9.2 one of the 'latest technologies' introduced was CD packet writing. (Yes I know Windows has had it for ages) The trouble is however. Whereas all hardware manufacturers pay Microsoft for the privilege of testing their hardware with the latest Windows, with Linux it is up to the community to validate hardware with the latest Linux. In this instance a very nasty firmware bug in LG CD-Roms was exposed by the packet writing software. It is entirely due to non compliance with ATAPI standards by LG. But that is no comfort to people whose drives got zapped :-( Mandrake are very good at finding these problems and fixing them. The update servers already have many updated packages. Just make sure after installing that you declare an update site and run Mandrake Update. 3) As a total newbie getting ready to perform my first Linux installation, should I be concerned enough about these various issues that I should perhaps pay my local computer tech to come over here and hold my hand as I go through this process? It really is not that hard. Installing Linux is *easier* than installing Windows. At least you do not have to keep shuffling CDs and rebooting over and over again. Just make sure you do not have an LG-CDROM I hope like me you will completely 'gobsmacked' at just how good Linux is :-) I don't want to sound like a whining Windows wimp, but I really want to get this right, and at this point, I must say that I'm not feeling quite as optimistic as I was just a few days ago. Any ideas and/or encouragement would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
[newbie] Mandrake Linux grsecurity question
Hi, A basic security question here, please be kind. :-) I have some problems with grsec and Mandrake 9.1. I downloaded Eclipse the IDE, and installed it in my home directory. I ran it as root to see that everything worked (it did), and then started configuring the system for more users. I chowned the whole Eclipse directory to a group I made for the programmers, and gave just about all permissions to User and Group with chmod. However, I can still only run the program as root. Whenever I try to run it as another user, I get Permission denied in bash and the following message in the system log: kernel: grsec: denied exec of ./eclipse by (bash:29587) UID(501) EUID(501), parent (bash:24566) UID(501) EUID(501) reason: untrusted I have tried to lower my Mandrake msec persmissons temporarily from Higher to Poor, but I still get permission denied. Even if I put Eclipse in my home directory, change all permissions to me and give all rights to all users recursively for all files. I have looked around a lot on Google. So far, I have found a handful of other people asking this same question in different forums (Always Mandrake 9.1 users in High security mode that I can see, though with other programs that they try to run), but none of them recieve any answers. The documentation for msec from Mandrake is very sparse, they usually just say use the drakperm tools to fine tune msec, but they don't say how. Looking up grsecurity manuals, they usually begin with Edit your Acess Control List permissions in the directory /etc/grsec by... but I don't have that directory, nor can I find it or anything relating to grsec anywhere on the machine, except in the log. What to do? Have I missed something very basic with file permissions in Linux, does it have anything to do with PAM, or is there a bug that came when I downloaded all the Mandrake security patches? I guess I could compile my own kernel for the first time and make sure that grsec is out, but if there is any easier and safer solution...? I would be very grateful for any help. Thanks, Lars Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:33 am, Melissa Reese wrote: 1) Why would the PowerPack ship with so many things missing, while the download site would have the more complete package? 2) Why was this issue not presented to those of us who decided to go to the MandrakeStore and purchase our packages directly? Any of the missing packages should be available for free download from the ditribution mirrors. INstall from the cd's you received and then set up your urpmi sources to point at an ftp mirror and then install anything missing. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My system crashes on Mandrake 9.2 ??!! Is linux really stable ??-new findings !!
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 7:48 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all that helped me , first of all thanks for your considerations. My new situation is : 1) I ran memtest-96 3.0 for 7.5 hours ( all night long) and it did not give me any error. I think this means memory is OK. 2) If the heat is problem how can I detect ( my CPu temperature is between 49 - 54 C and system temp is 30-30 C ) is this temp. OK ? 3) I have Asus FX 5600 vga card. Could it possible that the heat is problem with this vga card. ?? 4) I think there is something wrong between nvidia vga driver and Asus mobo . Since I experienced almost the same things on XP too. Thanks Have a nice day / night Memory and thermals seem fine. (That was while running cpuburn was it?) The next favourite cause that springs to my mind is the good old IRQ conflict. Take a look at KDE Control CentreInformationInterrupts IRQ lines shared between video and ethernet are a favourite for causing random lockups. Reassigning IRQs depends on your BIOS in some BIOS' you can specifically assign IRQ. With others you have to move cards. With some of the really bad BIOS' you have to go around disabling unused on board devices. It might also be worth adding the 'nopentium' option to the append line of your Lilo config (It hides a bug in the Athlon to do with memory page swapping. I thought it was fixed in later Athlons, but you never know) derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 12:51 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:33 am, Melissa Reese wrote: 1) Why would the PowerPack ship with so many things missing, while the download site would have the more complete package? 2) Why was this issue not presented to those of us who decided to go to the MandrakeStore and purchase our packages directly? Any of the missing packages should be available for free download from the ditribution mirrors. INstall from the cd's you received and then set up your urpmi sources to point at an ftp mirror and then install anything missing. To set up sources, go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/ Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:33 am, Melissa Reese wrote: 1) Are these sorts of problems just the way it is with this product? Or is it just that this particular version release is especially troublesome? Either way, I'm not feeling exactly wonderful about all this. 2) Does any of this mean that my soon to arrive PowerPack is expected to be kind of a lemon out of the box? The problem is people really not being clear in their posts and feeling a need to bash Mandrake for fun. It is a sport, especially on a.o.l.m I just checked out his post, and here is the translation What he is referring to is the 3 cd set download edition vs the 3 cd set PowerPack download that were both offered to the Club members for downlaod through bittorrent and not the 7 cd PowerPack boxed set. The 3 cd set of PowerPack that was offered for download was simply the first three cds of the PowerPack, which has 7 cds total. A bunch of stuff was removed from the first three cds in order to make room for the commercial stuff, but I am sure the other four cd's in the box that you bought contain most, if not all, of the missing packages. That in addition to the fact that any missing package will be found either in the main or contrib trees of any Mandrake mirror. There is no need for you to pay again and no, your PowerPack is not broken. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] bittorrent
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 11:21 am, Sour Comet wrote: Greetings All, Although I find Bittorrent to be a great file sharing program, I find that the uploading rate get so high that it brings down my network connection. Thus, every time I return to my computer, it is necessary to 'service network restart'. Is there a way to control the upload/download rates? SourComet Yes use the --max_upload_rate [number] switch derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 Power Pack is here
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 07:32 am, Greg Meyer wrote: What kernel is included? We're dying to know. I did a quick scan of the directories and files on the first install CD -- they are all dated September 23 or earlier. It looks like this is the as-released version. Curiously, no one bothered to stick a piece of paper in the envelope about the LG bother. Hell, they could even have printed it on the packing list. (Actually, that shouldn't be a problem on either of the systems here.) It will probably be a few days before I get around to installing this. If/when I do so, anyone know how long is it going to take me to download all of the updates via dialup? -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird things in 9.2
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 21:40, John Wilson wrote: kdesu -c konqueror What is the difference between kdesu and su? Thank you. Powered by SuSE Linux 8.2 Professional KDE 3.1.1 KMail 1.5.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 Power Pack is here
On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 08:14, Carroll Grigsby wrote: It will probably be a few days before I get around to installing this. If/when I do so, anyone know how long is it going to take me to download all of the updates via dialup? -- cmg __ The updates are 177 meg..not sure how long that takes with dialup Walt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] My system crashes on Mandrake 9.2 ??!! Is linux really stable ??-new findings !!
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:48 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all that helped me , first of all thanks for your considerations. My new situation is : 1) I ran memtest-96 3.0 for 7.5 hours ( all night long) and it did not give me any error. I think this means memory is OK. That seems okay. 2) If the heat is problem how can I detect ( my CPu temperature is between 49 - 54 C and system temp is 30-30 C ) is this temp. OK ? This one is trickier - keep in mind that your actual CPU temp can be 10 -20 degrees C. higher than what is reported. Did you run cpuburn? If not, install it and run it. There are specific versions for whatever flavor CPU you're using. If your system locks up or does anything else funny in less than 15 mins, then something is not quite right. If it will run for 20-30 mins, you're in pretty good shape. If it will run for over an hour, then your system is bullet-proof. grin. You might want to monitor your temps 'n stuff when you run cpuburn, so you can see what is happening. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
-Original Message- From: Lanman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up ! Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. It might prove to be an interesting source of information for newbie's to know what can be done with Linux, especially when it's applied in a production environment. We see all kinds of articles regarding Linux, but it's very hard to contact those people to see how something was done, and what Tips 'n' Tricks were used to accomplish a particular task. MandrakeSoft has a special site (http://www.mandrakebizcases.com ), that allows anyone to post their particular application of Linux, but for the most part you can't get the hands-on info from those companies or individuals. Is this something we could/should add to the Twiki site? Comments? Lanman site? Comments? Lanman You're probably already aware lanman, but I'll say it for everyone to hear... I currently have one MNF box on one of our sites that performs firewalling, IDS, and WebProxy. I'd be lying if I said it's been flawless, but I must also admit the problems have come from my lack of admin knowledge. Still, the problems have been quite minimal and I believe it's at a point where you plug it in and forget about it... The Twiki suggestion is great. One addition to it may be more of an industry HOWTO. For example, people could post HOWTOs that pertain to their industry. Weather its government, insurance, production, retail, or something else, each industry has its own specific needs from the software it uses. Even if it's just a list of apps they use, it would give people a good idea where to start and what tool(s) is recommended for the job. Add some contact info for each bizcase/howto and you have a rather powerful tool for Windows to Linux migrations =). (I'm actually still in search of the Win to Lin migration myself) Tango __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?
This was a good chuckle. USA Today has a piece about problems with the computers in certain BMW's--a cd player that spits cd's at passengers, engines that shut down while running at highway speeds etc. Now, didn't BMW choose Microsoft for that system? Oh, and if you want to fix your beamer, you have to sign an NDA!! (Is that BMW or M$ talking?) http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-11-11-carrepairs_x.htm http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/mar02/03-04BMWpr.asp Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] another network.img install issue (HELP) (updated)
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 07:38 am, Thinker wrote: Would you please, in the name of all that you consider Holy _remove that fscking reply to_ from your mail client? Charlie M. Um.. I am using Evolution 1.4.5 for mail and a quick check of ToolsSettingsMail Accounts[EMAIL PROTECTED](edit) shows that the Reply-To field you are so upset about is empty. It has been since the last time you made a big deal about one of my posts. Newbie me doesnt quite know what else to do to make it so you can get more sleep at night. :-) Looks like you fixed it. Your original posting to this thread, however, did have your address in the reply-to field. My drive says HP so I assumed it was an HP. However, now my drive isn't even showing up in the BIOS. When I boot the machine, the lights come on but there is no mention of it in the BIOS (used to be IDE Secondary Master) and no desktop item for it in KDE (after the installation there were two CDROM icons on the desktop, now there is just one). Still, I just physically removed it from the machine. No mention of anything LG. 8x4x32 IDE Recordable/Rewritable HP C4462-5600 HP S/N PHCH02482C Where should I go from here on the drive? Is this a new issue or am I missing something? There is no mention of any HP drives at www.linux-mandrake.com/en/lgerrata.php3 Anyway, you've got a reader/writer; as others have noted, those guys had better handle FLUSH_CACHE correctly since that would be a common instruction during the writing process. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] another network.img install issue (HELP)
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:17 am, Merlin Zener wrote: On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 13:07, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 4:53 am, Eric Huff wrote: However LG Electronics admits that other LG products DVD and CD/RW are affected http://www.lge.com/support/support.jsp Jeeze, they have a crappy website, too... Presumably that means you saw something. All I got was a 404 when you click on the FAQ link you get lgecom.com could not be found... I still haven't found anything relating to the CDR problem yet. Aha -- you clicked on the fancy image, didn't you? Try the menu in the LH column. Evidently the moron who decided that using FLUSH_CACHE would be a cool way to rewrite the BIOS is now doing LG's web site. (Hey, guy, that little period between lge and com isn't dirt on your screen -- it really means something.) -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] My system crashes on Mandrake 9.2 ??!! Is linux really stable ??
On Tuesday 11 Nov 2003 9:23 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends , I have Asus A7n8x-deluxe , 2500 + athlon and Asus FX 5600 vga card. I installed Mandrake 9.2 and I also installed latest original mainboard and vga drivers from Nvidia's site. Everything ( even 3com lan adapter ) works fine. I see no fail message during boot -up. I also installed some styles( aqua ) from www.kde-look.org and normally there seems no any error. But my system crashes randomly ( stops responding , no mouse and no keyboard !! ) . I experienced this while I was scrolling with mouse ( mouse stopped suddenly ) . This happened twice in 3 hours. When I was using Win XP I had the same problem ( The system crashed randomly in 3 hours or sometimes did not crash at all several days. I mean This happened randomly . But after installing latest XP drivers for mobo and VGA I did not experience any crash since 7 days of hardwork on XP. It seems It is OK on XP , but how about on Mandrake 9.2 ??. My rams are Kingston. My power supply unit is 400 W Zalman. Is there any possibility of hardware failure if so how can I understand ?? And if the reason is somehow Mandrake 9.2 ; I heard always that linux is much more stable , so what is this ? And what can I do if such crash happens on Mandrake ? should I wait ? or should I reset the computer ?? since keyboard and mouse does not respond. Thanks.. Hertas. The fact that it crashes in Linux and in Windows immediately indicates a hardware problem. Typical causes of crashes are usually memory problems or thermal. You are using good quality components, but if you are over clocking or using aggressive memory timings you could be operating in marginal stability. Often memory problems are more obvious in Linux than in Windows because Linux uses all the memory (for disc caching) while in Windows the upper memory areas can be virtually unused. To find the problem install memtest86 from your Mandrake CDs. It will put a new entry in Lilo. Boot into memtest86 and run a test for several hours. There should be *no* failures at all. As for what to do when a crash happens. It is possible the crash has only affected your Window Manager in which case the kernel is still running. There is a page in the Mandrake On line manual which tells you how to do a graceful shutdown using Alt+SysRq+r, Alt+SysRq+s, Alt+SysRq+t, Alt+SysRq+e, but if it is a kernel panic then the only thing to do is power off. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org -Original Message- From: Derek Jennings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] My system crashes on Mandrake 9.2 ??!! Is linux really stable ?? Derek, Doh! I should have thought of memtest but never crossed my mind, I am using Corsair value matched pairs so I expect them to have had some testing done but being value does that mean they didn't make the grade as fully fledged matched pairs? I will install that tonight when I get home from work and run over night. As for undoing the freeze I have tried all the key combinations from the page and nothing happens at all. Thanks, Tony. -Original Message- From: Tony S. Sykes Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] My system crashes on Mandrake 9.2 ??!! Is linux really stable ?? Well mine has gone belly up again since I did an urpmi --update. Seemed to load my kernel source again? Now it just stops after lilo. Never got chance to do the memtest or cpuburn. Not able to get back to it until Thursday so I will be debugging it then. Any hints/tips much appreciated. Thanks, Tony. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird things in 9.2
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 05:43 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:40:07 -0800 John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Now I know that Haywire will chime in and say it's only a problem with KDE but that is my desktop of choice and some of these tool are important to me. Now, I wouldn't wanna disappoint, now would I? It's only a problem with KDE. I assume that you will not be seeking a job with KDE ;-) EG Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 1:49 pm, Tango Echo wrote: The Twiki suggestion is great. One addition to it may be more of an industry HOWTO. For example, people could post HOWTOs that pertain to their industry. Weather its government, insurance, production, retail, or something else, each industry has its own specific needs from the software it uses. Even if it's just a list of apps they use, it would give people a good idea where to start and what tool(s) is recommended for the job. Add some contact info for each bizcase/howto and you have a rather powerful tool for Windows to Linux migrations =). (I'm actually still in search of the Win to Lin migration myself) Brilliant idea, Tango. Anyone care to start us off? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
Lanman wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. I'm using Linux at work in a university department for the usual office stuff and as a local FTP server (though I seem to be the only person who makes much use of this). I use LyX for my own academic writing and OpenOffice for correcting/commenting on student papers (I've set up a series of styles and macros for this, which makes it a lot easier). However, my boss has just informed me that there is a new policy requiring all teachers to use Windows 98. War may be declared. Sir Robin -- The other major kind of computer is the Apple, which I do not recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you basically just plug in and use. - Dave Barry Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
Robin, I am sure that they must have checked their licence's and found out they hadn't got any newer one's than 98. Can't think of any other reason. You can put your pen (mightier than the sword) down and hopefully not have to fight when you explain that it does not cost a penny. Tony. -Original Message- From: Robin Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up ! Lanman wrote: Just curious about something. How many of the list members are using Linux in the workplace and how? I think it would be encouraging to see who's doing what with it, and which distro's, whether they're seeing an increase in business because of Linux and what interesting things they're doing with Linux. I'm using Linux at work in a university department for the usual office stuff and as a local FTP server (though I seem to be the only person who makes much use of this). I use LyX for my own academic writing and OpenOffice for correcting/commenting on student papers (I've set up a series of styles and macros for this, which makes it a lot easier). However, my boss has just informed me that there is a new policy requiring all teachers to use Windows 98. War may be declared. Sir Robin -- The other major kind of computer is the Apple, which I do not recommend, because it is a wuss-o-rama New-Age computer that you basically just plug in and use. - Dave Barry Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake Linux grsecurity question
Hello Anne, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 5:25:51 AM, you wrote: Anne Registered Linux User No.293302 I'm just curious, but what exactly does the above registration give the registrant? Is it a membership of sorts, or does that registration come if you purchase a commercial copy of a Linux Distribution? -- -=Nick Andriash=- -=Creston, B.C. Canada=- Using The Bat! v2.01.26 on Windows 98 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] bittorrent
On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 08:06, Derek Jennings wrote: Yes use the --max_upload_rate [number] switch Perfect. Thanks! SC Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] post-install 9.2 issues with mozilla and openoffice
Brian Parish wrote: I have now installed 9.2 on 3 machines, 2 as upgrades and the other as a full install. The two upgraded machines both have small problems. On one - a laptop - mozilla won't start. No errors displayed when run in a console, just waits a while then goes away. On the other OOo sometimes hangs at the splash screen. I can't kill the processes. Restart X and up it comes. Any ideas on either of these? TIA Brian I removed Mozilla 1.4 and installed 1.5. I had to redirect my desktop/menu icons to /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla Also, it may help to call it thru 'soundwrapper', thusly: soundwrapper /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla if you intend to visit a lot of RealAudio links, etc. Harv Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Setting up RAID
Hi All, I'm looking at getting a RAID card to put in my box. I'm running Mandrake 9.1 and wondered what would be the best card. Here is what I'm looking at so far: Promise SuperTrak 100 or 66, 3WARE DiskSwitch AccelerATA 8 port UDMA100 EIDE RAID Card, or the Promise FastTrak 66 or 100. What I would like to know is: which one is best supported under Linux (i.e. in kernel, with drivers, etc.)? which one is the easiest to install? I would like to eventually do RAID level 5 but I will start with RAID 1 and go from there. I have looked on Google to find support and on the respective Web sites but would like to know if anyone has specific experience. Thanks! Travis Crook Visions Beyond Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries
Hi, If I install LM9.2, will the last install step of automatic update take care of updating everything installed including the kernel itself? Or is there something peculiar to LM9.2 that is not so automatic? Is there something else I would need to do? Will the kernel be updated automatically too? If the people paying have so many problems, God help those who do not. Linux keeps shooting itself in the foot. It is its own killer. Thanks, Ayoub Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 12:51 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:33 am, Melissa Reese wrote: 1) Why would the PowerPack ship with so many things missing, while the download site would have the more complete package? 2) Why was this issue not presented to those of us who decided to go to the MandrakeStore and purchase our packages directly? Any of the missing packages should be available for free download from the ditribution mirrors. INstall from the cd's you received and then set up your urpmi sources to point at an ftp mirror and then install anything missing. To set up sources, go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/ Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Reality or Urban Legend
Is 9.2 being difficult to install really true, or is it just an urban legend? My personal experience is that it is a piece of cake, but I leave open the possibility that others have had significant problems. I have now installed it on 3 different desktop systems and my Thinkpad and all is well. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reality or Urban Legend
On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 12:40, Greg Meyer wrote: Is 9.2 being difficult to install really true, or is it just an urban legend? My personal experience is that it is a piece of cake, but I leave open the possibility that others have had significant problems. I have now installed it on 3 different desktop systems and my Thinkpad and all is well. I have had no problem installing LM9.2 at all and it is on 2 boxes. Any problems I have had is because of my own doing. The installation was very easy. Walt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries
On November 11, 2003 11:33 pm, Melissa Reese wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, A few days ago, I ordered the Mandrake 9.2 PowerPack from the mandrakestore.com site, and I guess it'll arrive in a week or so. snip First set of questions answered elsewhere far better than I could :-) Apparently, in addition to the LG based CD ROM/CD-RW problem, there are several other possible unhappy issues listed on that site that can cause other problems during and after installation. Some of the issues don't seem so minor. I'll be reading up and trying to understand all these issues more thoroughly, and about the installation patches mentioned, but my impending installation is making me a bit more nervous as the time draws closer. I've been at this for years and I always get nervous about these things. I think its a good thing. A few more questions: 1) Are these sorts of problems just the way it is with this product? Or is it just that this particular version release is especially troublesome? Either way, I'm not feeling exactly wonderful about all this. It's not only the way it is with Mandrake it applies to every every known OS there is, including Windows. At least with Mandrake, and Linux in general, you get to see the bugs in quick order and they're often repaired very quickly as well. At least in comparison to Microsoft. 2) Does any of this mean that my soon to arrive PowerPack is expected to be kind of a lemon out of the box? Nah. It's perfectly good. Anything missing can be downloaded with urpmi once the sources are set and you're off and running. 3) As a total newbie getting ready to perform my first Linux installation, should I be concerned enough about these various issues that I should perhaps pay my local computer tech to come over here and hold my hand as I go through this process? You could if your computer tech isn't a Windows weenie who only knows wizards and the MS bible of reinstall if it doesn't work. A hard habit to get out of, I can tell you. Mandrake should install trouble free. One thing I have noticed is don't let it install upgrades. Skip that part and then do it from a running system. It seems to be much faster that way. I don't want to sound like a whining Windows wimp, but I really want to get this right, and at this point, I must say that I'm not feeling quite as optimistic as I was just a few days ago. Any ideas and/or encouragement would be greatly appreciated. Be encouraged and be optimistic. Some issues may/will present themselves and that's what this list is here for. Also bookmark Twiki as soon as you get going as it's a wonderful resource. Mandrake installs as easily as Windows, in fact more easily in a lot of cases. And take some time to learn. One of the joys of this operating system is the chance to get under the hood and tweak till it runs just the way you want it to. And don't worry a great deal about the complaints and issues you see here or on usenet. We tend to be hard on Mandrake but that's only because we, as a community, expect a great deal and care a great deal about it. Have fun! ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Weird things in 9.2
On November 12, 2003 05:17 am, Bryan Tyson wrote: On Tuesday 11 November 2003 21:40, John Wilson wrote: kdesu -c konqueror What is the difference between kdesu and su? Thank you. Powered by SuSE Linux 8.2 Professional KDE 3.1.1 KMail 1.5.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sheer boneheaded laziness? :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ADSL Itex driver for Mandrake 9.0?
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 8:58 pm, Paolo Bonavoglia wrote: I don't know weather this is a newbie or expert question, so I send it to both lists. I have installed Mandrake 9.0 in a partition of my PC. Everything went OK, but not for my ADSL Itex PCI card: Mandrake didn't recongnize it and I have a Linux PC which cannot connect to the Internet. I have searched the Web, found some drivers but none worked; the last is an itex1577-2.4.16.o driver; I installed it, but when I try to activate it with the insmod commad, the computer crashes, even the mouse is frozen and I have to restart. Maybe it is a problem of kernel; this driver is for kernel 2.4.16, while Mandrake 9.0 has 2.4.19. Does anyone know a working driver for this unfortunate ADSL card? Obviously I mean a driver which works with Mandrake 9.0 and kernel 2.4.19. Regards Paolo Bonavoglia Unfortunately that driver is a binary closed source driver, and the manufacturer Itex went out of business http://www.itexinc.com/ That is the trouble with closed source drivers. It is not possible to maintain them. From what I read the driver you have will work with RedHat 8.-0 derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bryan, On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 4:28:08 AM PST, you wrote: It would possibly provide more certainty but you would be robbing yourself of a prime learning opportunity. The question is, do you want to remain dependent upon others or gain the knowledge for yourself. Doing is the quickest way to learning. Thanks Bryan, for all your comments. I'm a bit short on time at the moment, so I'll only comment on the above for now... I can go along with Doing is the quickest way to learning, and in fact would take it further and say that it can, very often anyway, be a more in depth and complete path to learning...though in some cases, not necessarily quicker. This, of course, can depend on what it is one really has the desire to learn. When it comes to computers and my use of them, I often feel like I'm caught between a wimpy and a geeky place. :-) To some degree, I really do enjoy mucking about with the inner workings of my OS (currently, of course, Windows) and the certain programs I use for this or that *when necessary*, but there's also an entirely practical reason for me to appreciate whatever I find to be practical and expedient. I don't do any work on a computer (meaning that I don't use a computer for my job...never have, and hopefully never will, being a musician who plays on 300 year old wooden instruments), nor do I work with computers themselves *as any sort of a job* (though, when dealing with helping my mother with hers, it can sometimes feel that way!). By choice, I have a busy life, and while my computer is a wonderful tool for me for communications, research, a bit of chess playing/learning, and for my daily journal writing, my other interests demand much more of my time and energies. In the philosophical/political sense, I certainly favor the Linux way over the Windows way...no question about that. On the practical side, however, I guess I can be a bit more, well, practical and expedient when it comes to my personal computer usage and the time I spend on this or that aspect of it. My interest in Linux is not in any way related to an overwhelming urge to get down and geeky with it. In addition to my philosophical/political leanings, which I admit I can be persuaded to compromise when it comes to favoring one OS over another, I'm interested to see *what a Linux distro and its associated programs can do for me* in terms of my needs for this type of tool. That said, and I'm sure this will seem like heresy to some here, I'm currently very pleased with how WinXP, and the programs I use on it (mostly non-MS software) is/are working for me. Just as a small example... I deal with a lot of email, and I'm quite particular about the type of power I expect in terms of both email management and composition. After trying and using just about every email client available for Windows (including those that have Linux based counterparts), I've found my current Windows email client (The Bat!) to be my dream come true email handler, and anything in Linux that might replace it would have to be *very impressive indeed* for me to consider a complete switch to a Linux-only client. For instance, I've seen many Linux users using Mozilla/Thunderbird, and though I don't know if there are some essential differences with how these work on Linux as opposed to the Windows versions, I'm frankly not impressed when I compare them to The Bat!. I also have the Windows version of Sylpheed on here, and again, I'm not impressed. Perhaps there is an email client on Linux that will impress me. I hope so. I will make a promise though... Once I get Mandrake up and running, I'll look for an email client that works decently for me there, and even if I still prefer The Bat! in Windows for my daily heavy email usage, I'll use Mandrake, and the Linux email client I decide upon for reading/posting to this list! :-) I leave open all possibilities, up to and including dropping Windows entirely and making a complete switch to Linux (which, if it happens, would quite please me), but it all depends on if I can find specific Linux based programs that do at least as much or more for me in the areas that are important to me. I may well even discover very useful applications in Linux that I never even considered during my use of Windows, and that would please me as well. I may end up switching back and forth between both OSs...each for its unique strengths with regards to my needs and preferences. In any event, I feel comfortable that I can take my time learning about Linux/Mandrake via trial and error or any other means, because I won't lose any essential functionality I currently have with Windows during this learning period. I do look forward to this new adventure. PS: As you may have noticed by now, I can be fairly sound-byte challenged, and wander off on meandering digressions. Please feel free to tell me to shut up and stick to the basics. I promise I'll try! :-) - --
[newbie] Linux in Thailand
http://www.linuxinsider.com/perl/story/32110.html just thought a few ppl here might be slightly interested :) -- Merlin Zener Piano, Synthesizer Thailand. registered Linux user number 328618 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] mailman issues... using seperate web/mail servers.
Hello guys, I am relatively new to mailman, but for the last year or so I have run several lists using it... I recently split my web server and mail server up, (they were previously on the same machine, now they are on the same internal network, but different machines.) Mailman is the only thing I've not been able to sort out with this new setup.. I setup postfix on the new server and installed mailman. (2.1.2) with no probs.. I then set relayhost in that postfix to use the real mail server for any mail to go out... Then on the old machine which is now just the mail server, but used to be both web and mail, I changed the aliases for mailman in /etc/postfix/aliases so that instead of piping commands to the mailman binary, they instead directed list posts to the web servers postfix (I used a fake internal domain internal.com for the web servers postfx mydestination and added it to the hosts file of both machines) Then on the web server, I put the real mailman aliases that pipe to the mailman binary.. This seems something of a mess.. and I'm also having a problem that internal.com is resolved via dns to an external site (who'd have thought :-) postfix seesm to ignore the hosts entries (and the /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts) entries and is just using dns to resolve, (even though resolv.conf and hosts.conf are set to seach locally first).. Anyway, after much scratching of my head, searching the net, reading mailman docs I am not really any closer to getting this working... I am not a postfix guru (or any MTA for that matter.) so I am not even sure how I should be naming an internal mailserver that only has access to the external net via my real mail server. Can you guys give me any pointers as to the best way I can achive this??? kindest regards Franki -- Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com, Free web developer resources. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 minor niggles
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:28 pm, Margot wrote: I can't get the 'Lock Screen' button to work - little blue button with a white padlock. Click on it and nothing happens! I used to use this a lot, when leaving the computer unattended while something is running - essential feature for cat-owners! I just added it to my kicker and it works here. Try removing it and adding it again. Right click on kicker and choose add = applet and select 'lock/logout applet' -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 minor niggles
Glenn wrote: On Wed November 12 2003 13:28, Margot wrote: Huge ugly icons in the KDE Kicker bar - I've played around with desktop themes etc, and managed to shrink the icons on the main desktop, but the kicker icons are still enormous. Is it possible to resize them? Hope I'm not misunderstanding the problem. Right-click on the Kicker panel, click on Configure Panel, then in the Arrangement tab you can pick the icon size on the bottom left. Brilliant! That is exactly what I wanted - icons now successfully reduced to sensible size. Many thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 minor niggles
Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:28 pm, Margot wrote: I can't get the 'Lock Screen' button to work - little blue button with a white padlock. Click on it and nothing happens! I used to use this a lot, when leaving the computer unattended while something is running - essential feature for cat-owners! I just added it to my kicker and it works here. Try removing it and adding it again. Right click on kicker and choose add = applet and select 'lock/logout applet' Tried that, but it still isn't working. The 'logout' applet is working fine, but the applet for 'lock' doesn't work from the Start Applications menu either. Link missing from button to command maybe? I have no idea what the command might be, or how to reset the missing link! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Timidity++
I'm having far too many problems trying to get my interfaces working. I have enabled all of the interfaces during ./configure and they appear on timidity -h but none of them work. Some of them will launch, but won't do anything else. I mainly want the timidity -ia interface working. Does anyone have an idea of what might be going on? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
At 01:56 PM 11/12/2003, Anne Wilson said something remarkably like (but somehow subtly different from): And don't forget to tell them that all support/updates/fixes for 98 have ceased. Ummm...No. They just released fixes for Win98 again. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Information is not knowledge, Knowledge is not wisdom, Wisdom is not truth, Truth is not beauty, Beauty is not love, Love is not music, Music is THE BEST -- Frank Zappa Help fight SPAM. Join CAUCE. http://www.cauce.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in Thailand
At 04:44 PM 11/12/2003, Merlin Zener said something remarkably like (but somehow subtly different from): http://www.linuxinsider.com/perl/story/32110.html just thought a few ppl here might be slightly interested :) It was interesting, and it echoes something I have been saying. The conventional wisdom is that Linux is only for the most experienced PC users, and that people who are new to computers should stick to Windows. I have maintained that the opposite is true now: the experienced users will have problems because it isn't what they are used to, but newbies will do fine. Regards, -- Kevin B. O'Brien TANSTAAFL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux User #333216 Information is not knowledge, Knowledge is not wisdom, Wisdom is not truth, Truth is not beauty, Beauty is not love, Love is not music, Music is THE BEST -- Frank Zappa Help fight SPAM. Join CAUCE. http://www.cauce.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 PowerPack confusion/worries
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 04:41 pm, Melissa Reese wrote: I can go along with Doing is the quickest way to learning, and in fact would take it further and say that it can, very often anyway, be a more in depth and complete path to learning...though in some cases, not necessarily quicker. This, of course, can depend on what it is one really has the desire to learn. When it comes to computers and my use of them, I often feel like I'm caught between a wimpy and a geeky place. :-) Well, I don't consider myself to be a geek necessarily although perhaps slightly more geeky than some others. You don't necessarily have to go that deep to administer Linux, there are a lot of tools that will ease the process for you. Enough so that if your needs are fairly limited, Linux out of the box at list with Mandrake might suit you very well. To some degree, I really do enjoy mucking about with the inner workings of my OS (currently, of course, Windows) and the certain programs I use for this or that *when necessary*, but there's also an entirely practical reason for me to appreciate whatever I find to be practical and expedient. I don't do any work on a computer (meaning that I don't use a computer for my job...never have, and hopefully never will, being a musician who plays on 300 year old wooden instruments), nor do I work with computers themselves *as any sort of a job* (though, when dealing with helping my mother with hers, it can sometimes feel that way!). By choice, I have a busy life, and while my computer is a wonderful tool for me for communications, research, a bit of chess playing/learning, and for my daily journal writing, my other interests demand much more of my time and energies. Obviously, I work with computers so my interests are different although there are an awful lot of computer people that do nothing with computers after they leave work and have no interest in delving into anything computer related outside of work. So, there you are not all that different perhaps. In the philosophical/political sense, I certainly favor the Linux way over the Windows way...no question about that. On the practical side, however, I guess I can be a bit more, well, practical and expedient when it comes to my personal computer usage and the time I spend on this or that aspect of it. My own interest is eminently practical and almost not at all philosophical. I value freedom to do the things that I want to do and do not wish to let anyone dictate what I can do with my computer based on the premise that they can't figure out how to make money off of it. Some might describe that as a philosophy but I regard it as practicality. My interest in Linux is not in any way related to an overwhelming urge to get down and geeky with it. In addition to my philosophical/political leanings, which I admit I can be persuaded to compromise when it comes to favoring one OS over another, I'm interested to see *what a Linux distro and its associated programs can do for me* in terms of my needs for this type of tool. The good news is that it can do almost anything that you want it to do. The bad news is that you definitely have to pay some price for wanting to do some things, be that material or time or work. That said, and I'm sure this will seem like heresy to some here, I'm currently very pleased with how WinXP, and the programs I use on it (mostly non-MS software) is/are working for me. Actually, I thought that WinXP was a pretty good OS myself, if you disregard the security holes, straightjacket UI, and general bloat. My concerns lie more with what I can't see versus what I do see. However, MS has embarked on a path to close their system up and to extract ever greater revenues for those that stay on that system and I definitely don't want to be a part of that. There is a lot of deals with the devil going on in the background there and no matter how it ultimately turns out, I trust the Linux community with my interests much more than I do corporate management. It is not so much where I want to go today as where MS wants to drag me tomorrow. Just as a small example... I deal with a lot of email, and I'm quite particular about the type of power I expect in terms of both email management and composition. After trying and using just about every email client available for Windows (including those that have Linux based counterparts), I've found my current Windows email client (The Bat!) to be my dream come true email handler, and anything in Linux that might replace it would have to be *very impressive indeed* for me to consider a complete switch to a Linux-only client. I have never used The Bat!, Eudora was my favored email client before I switched to Linux which was quite a while ago now that I think about it. I use Kmail now and am quite happy with it but a lot of stuff that I do with email occurs before I ever open my email client. I use
Re: [newbie] 9.2 minor niggles
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:28 pm, Margot wrote: I can't get the 'Lock Screen' button to work - little blue button with a white padlock. Click on it and nothing happens! I used to use this a lot, when leaving the computer unattended while something is running - essential feature for cat-owners! I just added it to my kicker and it works here. Try removing it and adding it again. Right click on kicker and choose add = applet and select 'lock/logout applet' -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Great Interview with RMS
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:09:19 -0500, Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 11 November 2003 08:45 am, HaywireMac wrote: Stallman's answers really strike a chord with me, though I have to say I think his stance on Debian is a bit much. Anyway, he has some interesting things to say about DRM, Free Software, and the linkage between software and politics. http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=260 Can FS users be apolitical, can we separate politics from our choice of an OS? Or maybe the question should be, can we *risk* being apolitical when our choice of OS is under attack so to speak? I was fortunate enough to hear RMS speak on a Linux Lunacy tour a few years ago. Awesome stuff, I was really impressed. Saw him in Sheffield a few weeks ago. He spoke for nearly two hours without notes, and without hesitation, repetition or deviation. Unfortunately the talk was about European Software Patents, which is inherently boring, but even so I'm glad I saw him. I'd hoped to smuggle my five month old daughter in, in case some of the genius rubbed off, but she's discovered yodelling. Richard -- Art is not a reproducible result. Creativity is a profoundly subjective act. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reality or Urban Legend
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:40:52 -0500 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is 9.2 being difficult to install really true, or is it just an urban legend? My personal experience is that it is a piece of cake, but I leave open the possibility that others have had significant problems. I have now installed it on 3 different desktop systems and my Thinkpad and all is well. Installation went fine for me. Very easy and boring. It was actually booting it that became dificult. I have to boot into failsafe then telinit 3 otherwise it gets stuck when replaying the journal for some odd reason. (it still replays the journal when booting into failsafe but it doesn't get stuck). Anyone else had this happen? Any ideas on a fix/workaround? TIA Jerry. -- _||_ Registered linux user #300600 (o_ Registered linux machine # 185855 //\at V_/_ http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ADSL Itex driver for Mandrake 9.0?
On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 8:58 pm, Paolo Bonavoglia wrote: Does anyone know a working driver for this unfortunate ADSL card? Obviously I mean a driver which works with Mandrake 9.0 and kernel 2.4.19. Many of these ADSL modems are well closed source as another responder says and next to impossible to get working, particularly if you are a 'newbie'. I had an Alcatouch Speedmodem 330 (ugly beetle looking thing) that my ISP gave me when I signed up. Drivers existed for the standard Speedtough that would work with some poking apparently but getting the 330 to work seemed like a MAJOR headache. Often with linux I find it more frustration to be told something MAY work rather than being told it won't because i usually envisage weeks of stress messing aroudn with drivers and kernel patches that usually result in me needing ot reinstall my system again from scratch... Someone gave me their old D-Link DSL-300+g ADSL modem that connects up to the ethernet port managing the whole connection on it's onw which made my life SO much easier I wish to unplug it at night so i can take it ot be with me. Which would sadly mean dropping the connection... unless I got some extension cable... Anyway I reccomend it or something similar. Often in the end it saves a lot of headaches, unless banging away at a peice of uncompatable hardware in the hope of proving the naysayers wrong is your bag :) (It has it's merits, i got my 'paperweight' printer working under linux despite being told it won't work many times) -- PRAEst76 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reality or Urban Legend
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 12:02 pm, Jerry Barton wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:40:52 -0500 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is 9.2 being difficult to install really true, or is it just an urban legend? My personal experience is that it is a piece of cake, but I leave open the possibility that others have had significant problems. I have now installed it on 3 different desktop systems and my Thinkpad and all is well. Installation went fine for me. Very easy and boring. It was actually booting it that became dificult. I have to boot into failsafe then telinit 3 otherwise it gets stuck when replaying the journal for some odd reason. (it still replays the journal when booting into failsafe but it doesn't get stuck). Anyone else had this happen? Any ideas on a fix/workaround? TIA Jerry. Installed on three computers one was clean the other two updates, nothing to report. Smooth as silk. I may find something later on, but for now the only problem I had was the LG thing and I solved that by putting in two DVDRoms. Now I can watch DVDs with xine and even do screen capture. Mercy, I do love linux. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] SpamAssassin and DNS Black Lists
In case anyone is using SpamAssassin and wants to increase their use of the
available DNS Blacklists, I have a configuration file that I can make
available that includes connections to some of the blacklists that I find to
be more valuable. These include SPEWS, SORBS, Easynet, Blackholes.us,
Spamcop and some others. Some of these blacklists were removed from current
version of SpamAssassin because the original locations, like OSIRUSOFT went
offline due to DDOS attacks by spammers. I have found some new locations for
those so that I can continue to benefit from the blacklists that were so
effective that spammers actually hired virus writers to shut them down.
You can adjust the scores to your desired level depending on how much you
trust the blacklist in question. Thus, a lower score will reduce the
importance of that particular list, a higher score will increase its
relevance. You just edit the .cf file and then copy it into
/etc/mail/spamassassin, restart SA and watch it start to work.
I have found this blackhole list especially useful in targeting direct to MX
spam from compromised zombie windows machines on DSL and Cable networks. If
anyone would like a copy, let me know. If you are not running SpamAssassin,
I am afraid that this configuration file will do you no good.
Using this .cf along with a couple of edits to the local.cf file that place a
higher score on html only mail among other body checks, I have gotten only
one false negative out of some 4000 spam messages over the last two weeks and
no false positives at all. (I do have a whitelist of commercial merchants
that I actually expect to send me html mail).
The file is attached below:
#dnsbl.cf - Place this file in /etc/mail/spamassassin/dnsbl.cf
#Note that files are loaded in alphabetical order, any entries in local.cf
#will override the entries in this configuration file.
# EASYNET_NL is the Easynet.nl List: http://blackholes.easynet.nl .
header RCVD_IN_EASY rbleval:check_rbl('relay', 'blackholes.easynet.nl.')
describe RCVD_IN_EASY Received via EASYed relay, see
http://blackholes.easynet.nl
tflags RCVD_IN_EASY
# use *.blackholes.us DNSBL's
# $Id: blackholes.cf,v 1.2 2002/08/07 06:23:58 pancrace Exp $
header RCVD_IN_ARGENTINAeval:check_rbl('country', 'argentina.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_ARGENTINA Received from Argentina
header RCVD_IN_BRAZIL eval:check_rbl('country', 'brazil.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_BRAZIL Received from Brazil
header RCVD_IN_CHINAeval:check_rbl('country', 'china.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_CHINA Received from China
header RCVD_IN_JAPANeval:check_rbl('country', 'japan.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_JAPAN Received from Japan
header RCVD_IN_KOREAeval:check_rbl('country', 'korea.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_KOREA Received from Korea
header RCVD_IN_NIGERIA eval:check_rbl('country', 'nigeria.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_NIGERIAReceived from Nigeria
header RCVD_IN_RUSSIA eval:check_rbl('country', 'russia.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_RUSSIA Received from Russia
header RCVD_IN_SINGAPOREeval:check_rbl('country', 'singapore.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_SINGAPORE Received from Singapore
header RCVD_IN_TAIWAN eval:check_rbl('country', 'taiwan.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_TAIWAN Received from Taiwan
header RCVD_IN_THAILAND eval:check_rbl('country', 'thailand.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_THAILAND Received from Thailand
score RCVD_IN_ARGENTINA 2.0
score RCVD_IN_BRAZIL2.0
score RCVD_IN_CHINA 2.0
score RCVD_IN_JAPAN 2.0
score RCVD_IN_KOREA 2.0
score RCVD_IN_NIGERIA 2.0
score RCVD_IN_RUSSIA2.0
score RCVD_IN_SINGAPORE 2.0
score RCVD_IN_TAIWAN2.0
score RCVD_IN_THAILAND 2.0
header RCVD_IN_BROADWINGeval:check_rbl('isp', 'broadwing.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_BROADWING Received from Broadwing network space
header RCVD_IN_CIBERLYNXeval:check_rbl('isp', 'ciberlynx.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_CIBERLYNX Received from Ciberlynx network space
header RCVD_IN_CW eval:check_rbl('isp', 'cw.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_CW Received from Cable and Wireless network space
header RCVD_IN_ELI eval:check_rbl('isp', 'eli.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_ELIReceived from ELI network space
header RCVD_IN_EPOCHeval:check_rbl('isp', 'epoch.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_EPOCH Received from Epoch network space
header RCVD_IN_HE eval:check_rbl('isp', 'he.blackholes.us.')
describe RCVD_IN_HE Received from Hurricane Electric network space
header RCVD_IN_INFLOW eval:check_rbl('isp', 'inflow.blackholes.us.')
describe
Re: [newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 03:20 pm, John Wilson wrote: On November 12, 2003 05:41 am, Todd Slater wrote: This was a good chuckle. USA Today has a piece about problems with the computers in certain BMW's--a cd player that spits cd's at passengers, engines that shut down while running at highway speeds etc. Now, didn't BMW choose Microsoft for that system? Oh, and if you want to fix your beamer, you have to sign an NDA!! (Is that BMW or M$ talking?) http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-11-11-carrepairs_x.htm http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/mar02/03-04BMWpr.asp Todd Ahhh, ain't M$ grand! Pay $80,000 for a shiny new beamer and it dies because CE hiccups. Can you imagine that happening on one of the freeways around LA? wicked grin Though I have heard that BMW is going to dump CE. I wonder why? ttfn John Excuse me I thought that code was Assembly code Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reality or Urban Legend
My experience is - no upgrades, tried one and it was crappy, and I installed it on 5 PC's with only minor problems but when I went to upgrade a friends computer that had been running 9.1 fine it seemed fine and I left it doing updates and when it finished it totally crapped out kde and Gnome. He now wants to go back to 9.1 but I have not been able to get back and take a look at it yet. Roly On Wednesday 12 November 2003 09:40 am, Greg Meyer wrote: Is 9.2 being difficult to install really true, or is it just an urban legend? My personal experience is that it is a piece of cake, but I leave open the possibility that others have had significant problems. I have now installed it on 3 different desktop systems and my Thinkpad and all is well. -- MicroSoft - The company that made the internet unsafe! Linux Counter #241069 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux in the Business World - Speak Up !
That's only because they want 98 to be able to get worm's etc, like 2k and xp. Roly On Wednesday 12 November 2003 03:01 pm, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: At 01:56 PM 11/12/2003, Anne Wilson said something remarkably like (but somehow subtly different from): And don't forget to tell them that all support/updates/fixes for 98 have ceased. Ummm...No. They just released fixes for Win98 again. Regards, -- MicroSoft - The company that made the internet unsafe! Linux Counter #241069 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] NEC versa E600 laptop install.
Hi group! I have sucessfully installed Mandrake 9.2 on the home pc, and managed to convince my wife to let me put it on her work laptop. We formatted last night and re-installed XP home on one half of the disk, then ran the mandrake disks, installing linux on the other half (10 gig each) The installation goes fine, but then when I reboot to run it for the first time things go wrong. As the system boots up, the progress bar freezes approx 2/3 of the way along. When I restart and press 'esc' for verbose mode, I see all the things I see on my desktop machine - all the devices and services that it starts, then it starts scrolling through lines and lines of text, too fast for me to read in detail. The text takes the following approximate form: [cea17814] ??? [supermount] the cea17814 is constantly changing, this is just one I managed to read as it flew past. The supermount also often says kernel and as for the question marks, I can't pause the screen so I'll never know what that says. The longest I have left this screen scrolling past is half an hourwith no progress. The versa E600 is a pentium4 1.9GHZ mobile with 256M RAM. The graphics card is an ATI raedon 340M (as recognized in Windoze). This is the only thing I can think of that would trip the computer up. On the final options screen, the X server is not configured like it was with my desktop. I go through and give it the following options: Flatpanel 1024X768 and graphics card raedon under ati - it had no option for the raedon 340M or anything else closer. Could this be the problem, and is it possible to finish setup with out configuring the X server? Has this happened to anyone else? Any / all suggestions greatly appreciated. Aidan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing 'un-official' mdk rpm's
Derek Jennings wrote: On Wednesday 12 Nov 2003 3:08 am, Phil Newcombe wrote: Hi all Thanks for the help on rpmdrake. Now I have another question. What's the best way of installing an un-official mandrake rpm. I am trying to get gaim to work with msn now that they have apparently tinkered with the protocol. The gaim website says it should work with a version 7.1. They have a dl link that has a 7.2 mdk rpm at the top of the list so I grabbed that but now it won't install because of dep problems. Can I use urpmi, rpm, rpmdrake or anything else to install this? Either command line or gui? -- pn If you want gaim to work with msn, then Texstar has gaim-0.71 for Mandrake 9.1, and Charles Edwards has gaim-0.71 for Mandrake 9.2/Cooker http://www.eslrahc.com/ http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/mandrake/9.1/rpms/ Texstar is urpmi enabled. For Charles' package just click on it using konqueror and the magic of gurpmi will take over. derek Thanks - I'll try that as soon as my daughter lets me on the computer. ;-) -- pn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OT-Kind of - Attempt to insert backdoor into Linux kernal
Although this is not Mandrake related, I feel its worth posting the link to the story. This was posted in the Risks Digest: On 5 Nov 2003, an attempt to insert a very cleverly crafted backdoor into Linux was averted. This is a really good example of the subtle kinds of hacks a source code examiner must be waiting to catch if we want genuinely secure voting systems under the current model of proprietary DRE systems with a closed-door source code examination. Someone broke into a server at kernel.kbits.net and inserted the following code into the Linux kernel: if ((options == (__WCLONE|__WALL)) (current-uid = 0)) retval = -EINVAL; For the complete story of this attack on Linux, including the actual E-mail exchange documenting the discovery of the attack, see: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/1584 Linux: Kernel Back Door Attempt This attack has only made the mainstream media in one place, so far: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/07/1068013371170.html Bid to backdoor Linux kernel detected - smh.com.au -- Regards Chris A 100% Microsoft free computer Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org 9:16pm up 4 days, 11:22, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.05, 0.01 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] mirror speed checker
Hi all.
Here's a bash script I found looking for something that would poll
(ping) Mandrake mirrors and return the result rated by speed like
apt-netselect does in Debian. I hacked it up a bit to make it work with
the mirror list (README_mirrors) and I'm no guru so.
The author has a version 2 that is easy to find on google but this one
worked for me. The mirror list is below the script (130 lines) - I
copied the Mandrake web page and cut it up in a text editor (in Mandrake
9.2 :-) ).
--
pn
###
#!/bin/sh
# sort_mirrors_by_speed by A.Mennucci Nov 97
#
# this program is subject to the
# GNU general public license
#
# this program will scan the file in $1 using
# grep \.[a-zA-Z]*: $1 | awk '{print $1}'
# to find mirror site host names.
#
# the string before the : character is considered to be a
# mirror site host name
#
# Mirror sites are pinged and statistics are collected and sorted
#
if [ $1 = -h -o $1 = --help ] ; then
echo Usage: $0 mirrorfile
echo Argument must be the file README.mirrors
echo containing a list of debian mirrors.
echo This program will ping all mirrors with 4 packets
echo to test their speed and reliability, and then will
echo sort the result, put it in file mirrors_by_speed and show the
best.
exit 0
fi
tmpdir=~/tmp
# warning: using the directory /tmp and running this script
# as root is a potential security problem
if ! [ -w $tmpdir ] ; then
echo $0 ERROR dir $tmpdir is not writable
echo please create it if it does not exist
exit 1
fi
if [ ! -r $1 -o $1 = ] ; then
echo $0 ERROR Give as argument the file README.mirrors
echo containing a list of debian mirrors
exit 1
fi
if [ -r mirrors_by_speed ] ; then
echo $0 ERROR the file mirrors_by_speed already exists
exit 1
fi
#touch $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed
n=0
echo -n Testing
grep [a-zA-Z] $1 | awk '{print $1}' | wc --lines | tr \n
echo debian mirror sites for speed and reliability.
echo -n Tests done :
#for i in ` grep [a-zA-Z]*: $1 | awk '{print $1}' ` ;
for i in `grep [a-z]* $1 | cut -d/ -f 1 | awk '{print $1}' ` ;
do
n=`expr $n + 1 `
(
h=$n
#echo TEST $h for $i
#if ping -c 6 `echo $i | cut -d: -f 1` $tmpdir/ping$$_$h;
if ping -c 6 `echo $i` $tmpdir/ping$$_$h;
then grep rtt $tmpdir/ping$$_$h | cut -d/ -f 5 | tr \n
$tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
echo -n ms AVERAGE , $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
grep received $tmpdir/ping$$_$h | cut -d, -f 3 | tr \n ,
$tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
echo SITE $i $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
#cat $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
cat $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h mirrors_by_speed
rm $tmpdir/mirrors_by_speed_$h
fi
rm $tmpdir/ping$$_$h
echo -n $h
)
# we do not want to flood the net; we test 30 sites at a time
# then we wait 8 seconds so that most of the pings will be done
if [ `expr $n % 30 ` = 0 ] ; then sleep 8 ; fi
done
wait
echo .
echo Fastest mirrors are:
mv mirrors_by_speed mirrors_by_speed~
sort -n mirrors_by_speed~ mirrors_by_speed
head mirrors_by_speed
# end of script
README.mirrors #
ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.tugraz.at/mirror/Mandrake-linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.univie.ac.at/systems/linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.belnet.be/packages/mandrake/9.2/i586/
mirror.fis.unb.br/pub/linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
gulus.usherb.ca/pub/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.ucr.ac.cr/pub/Unix/linux/mandrake/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.cesnet.cz/OS/Linux/Mandrake/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.fi.muni.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
mandrake.contactel.cz/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/OS/Linux/Dist/Mandrake/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.darenet.dk/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.sunsite.dk/mirrors/mandrake/9.2/i586/
klid.dk/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
www.klid.dk/sw/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.aso.ee/pub/os/Linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.song.fi/pub/linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/unix/linux/distributions/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.cs.univ-paris8.fr/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.ens-cachan.fr/mirror/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.lip6.fr/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/mandrake/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.u-strasbg.fr/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.univ-lille1.fr/pub/os/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/
linux.ups-tlse.fr/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
med.univ-angers.fr/pub/mirror/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/linux/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.de.uu.net/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.fh-giessen.de/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.fh-wolfenbuettel.de/pub/os/linux/mandrake/dist/9.2/i586/
ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/os/unix/linux/Mandrake/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
ftp.mki.fh-duesseldorf.de/Mirror/Mandrake/9.2/i586/
Re: [newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?
On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 14:52, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Wednesday 12 November 2003 08:41 am, Todd Slater wrote: This was a good chuckle. USA Today has a piece about problems with the computers in certain BMW's--a cd player that spits cd's at passengers, engines that shut down while running at highway speeds etc. Now, didn't BMW choose Microsoft for that system? Oh, and if you want to fix your beamer, you have to sign an NDA!! (Is that BMW or M$ talking?) http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-11-11-carrepairs_x.htm http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/mar02/03-04BMWpr.asp Todd Todd, thats hilarious! Reminds me of the US Navy cruiser that went dead in the water (defenseless, literally) for hours when they were using Windows NT. :-) I heard about that one but I never did see the news releases on it. Have you still got a link or two to that story? LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Lets face it if winblowz wasn't full of holes then it would probably look like Linux -- Aron Smith, Mandrake OT mailing list *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?
Todd Slater wrote: This was a good chuckle. USA Today has a piece about problems with the computers in certain BMW's--a cd player that spits cd's at passengers, engines that shut down while running at highway speeds etc. Now, didn't BMW choose Microsoft for that system? Oh, and if you want to fix your beamer, you have to sign an NDA!! (Is that BMW or M$ talking?) http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-11-11-carrepairs_x.htm http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/mar02/03-04BMWpr.asp Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com And how long will it be before all these car owners will have to pay a yearly license fee to M$? or What happens if you swap engines? I don't get these business egg-heads - the _proven_ most reliable operating system on the planet is *Free* and they choose to go with the _proven_ most bug-ridden software available and pay through the nose for it!!! Brother... -- pn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] LG has posted Firmware Fixes for Bum Drives
It looks as though LG has posted revised firmware for affected drives and also published a method for reflashing already dead ones. Point your browser to http://us.lgservice.com/ click Device Driver icon click CD-ROM link The first hit is Emergency download for Physical Dead Drive from Mandrake Linux 9.2 There is a .gif attached that explains how to reflash the drives. There are also firmware upgrades for 9 drive models. WDYT? -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] testing.
this is a test.. smtp.tsoft.com outbound gateway -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 10:45 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I heard about that one but I never did see the news releases on it. Have you still got a link or two to that story? LX Hey Lyvim! As usual several sources covered it, but here is a pretty good one: http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2.htm BTW - still can't get an e-mail thru to your yahoo account - bounces like one of my $10,000 personal checks... :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux Power Tools (WAS Good Article on Linux Filesystems)
Somebody scribbled about [newbie] Linux Power Tools (WAS Good Article on Linux Filesystems) One thing that's a rarity in the part of Canada that I live in is a book that acknowledges that Mandrake even exists. So you can imagine my delight when the cover of a recent release by Sybex called Linux Power If this is anything like Unix Power Tools put out a few years ago by O'Reilly -- it's a must have. John -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT Windows crashes BMW's?
Hello Phil, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 7:58:00 PM, you wrote: PN And how long will it be before all these car owners will have to PN pay a yearly license fee to M$? or What happens if you swap PN engines? PN I don't get these business egg-heads - the _proven_ most reliable PN operating system on the planet is *Free* and they choose to go with the PN _proven_ most bug-ridden software available and pay through the nose for PN it!!! Brother... Simple. M$ has an army of smooth talking con... errr sales men, complete with lots of expensive entertainment and slick presentations. Linux does not. No contest. This way, they don't have to think, and nobody's head rolls when these things happen. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] broken sym links (was many perl things broken)
here is what I found #ls -la /usr/bin/perl #lrwxrwxrwx1 root root5 Nov 3 07:23 /usr/bin/perl - perl5 #ls -la /usr/bin/perl5 #lrwxrwxrwx1 root root9 Nov 3 07:22 /usr/bin/perl5 - perl5.6.1 #locate perl5.6.1 #(nothing) #locate perl5. #/usr/bin/sperl5.8.0 #/usr/bin/perl5.8.0 does this mean that the symlink is looking for 5.6.1 and I only have 5.8.0? is it easy to change or replace the symlink? tia Rich B Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6 *almost* trojaned
HaywireMac wrote: One thing that occurred to me, thinking about Eric's adage, there are really *no* eyes on the Windows kernel (or whatever you call it). How many unknown/deliberate backdoors could be in *there*? Some time ago I was speaking to a MS employee at a party, he mentioned that MS was having a lot of trouble with people sabotaging their projects so that if it got transferred to another programmer group it wouldn't work quite right. They also had to ban backdoors because people were getting into other groups' projects and flaying them so they would seem less successful. There are probably not enough eyes to see all the holes... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] many perl things broken
Symlinks are cake, do a `man ln`. You're looking for the -s option (Symbolic Link) Basic usage in your case would be ln -s /real/path/to/perl5.8.0 /usr/bin/perl5 It certainly looks like it's looking for perl 5.6.1, try the new symlink and see what happens. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Phoenix bios
One might try asking in the correct mailing list. Or as an alternative try googling for the answer since it's most likely already been asked about 400 times. /Polite RTFM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.6 *almost* trojaned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chuck, On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 9:22:26 PM PST, you wrote: There are probably not enough eyes to see all the holes... Or maybe too many eyes looking in the wrong directions. My sister works at MS, and she's under the impression that everyone there is cross-eyed. :-) - -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/syXFjVbXUvsE8ukRAmmOAKDhha6sj5XGK7crybWN0F7oTa8KYACgh+yU na5ho1RBgWlTyv4Vkw2fze8= =5TT1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
