RE: HIJACKED THREAD: Virtual Memory and Virtual Machines (WAS: RE: Why XP is doomed)

[Ken Schaefer]

So, you are talking about:


a)  Disabling the page file inside VMs (A), (B) and (C)

b)  Hoping that the OSes inside those machines never need more than 512MB 
of RAM

?

I suppose it's possible. But do you want to risk it? I'm not sure you'd gain 
very much. Most people put the VMs on a SAN (for performance as well as HA 
reasons), so raw IOps shouldn't be an issue.

Cheers
Ken

From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 4:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: HIJACKED THREAD: Virtual Memory and Virtual Machines (WAS: RE: Why XP 
is doomed)

Oooh... that brings up some questions...

I've always wondered if anybody has looked at Virtual Machines, and the use of 
Page files... Let me explain.

Let's say we have a box with 4 virtual machines. Each virtual machine is given 
512 megs of Memory, and is running windows 2003. The host server has 4 gigs of 
ram, so the 2 gigs being used by the VMs is no problem, and plenty of room to 
spare.

Of the four MVs, you have:

A) A DHCP/DNS/WINS server
B) An Active Directory server
C) An IIS server serving simple static pages
D) An SQL Server with a moderately heavy database

Could someone take VMs A, B, and C and give them a ZERO page file increasing 
performance for all parties? This is assuming that the jobs that VMs A, B, and 
C are all able to run their important but trivial tasks directly from memory, 
while VM D has less to compete with for IO to the harddrives?

Has anybody done this kind of thing with success?

Just a thought. It's ripe for the squashing. Sm:)e.

--Matt Ross



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HIJACKED THREAD: Virtual Memory and Virtual Machines (WAS: RE: Why XP is doomed)

[Matthew W. Ross]

Oooh... that brings up some questions...

I've always wondered if anybody has looked at Virtual Machines, and the use of 
Page files... Let me explain.

Let's say we have a box with 4 virtual machines. Each virtual machine is given 
512 megs of Memory, and is running windows 2003. The host server has 4 gigs of 
ram, so the 2 gigs being used by the VMs is no problem, and plenty of room to 
spare.

Of the four MVs, you have:

A) A DHCP/DNS/WINS server
B) An Active Directory server
C) An IIS server serving simple static pages
D) An SQL Server with a moderately heavy database

Could someone take VMs A, B, and C and give them a ZERO page file increasing 
performance for all parties? This is assuming that the jobs that VMs A, B, and 
C are all able to run their important but trivial tasks directly from memory, 
while VM D has less to compete with for IO to the harddrives?

Has anybody done this kind of thing with success? 

Just a thought. It's ripe for the squashing. Sm:)e.

--Matt Ross
  _  

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:36:38 -0700
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

Will this affect performance?
  
  If you are asking this type of question, then I suspect that you are probably 
not very familiar with the memory management architecture of Windows, so this 
isn't really something you should be doing. Michael has provided steps on how 
to configure this if you want to.
  
  In Windows, only the kernel sees physical memory
  
  All user mode applications (most of those processes you see listed in Task 
Manager) see "virtual memory" that's presented to them by the kernel. On a 
32bit version of Windows, each application sees 4GB of address space.
  
  Each application sees its own *unique* 4GB of address space - the application 
believes that there is nothing else running on the system. Out of that 4GB of 
address space, the upper 2GB is reserved for the kernel, and the application 
itself is free to use the lower 2GB. Because each process has the same layout 
for reserved kernel space, this is actually shared between all processes.
  
  OK - so now the virtual memory manager needs to map all this memory to real 
physical memory. E.g. iexplore.exe uses bytes 0x0001 -> 0x000F to store 
an image. The Windows VMM needs to store this somewhere in physical memory. It 
does so by using mapping tables.
  
  Now, what happens when you only have 1GB of physical RAM in your machine, but 
each application, thnking it has up to 2GB available, starts actually *using* 
all that virtual memory? The VMM runs out of physical memory to store all this 
stuff. So it moves some stuff to the page file. If you have no page file, 
nothing can be moved, and your applications will start crashing with 
out-of-memory exceptions (because the VMM will deny them memory allocations).
  
  If you system has plenty of physical RAM, then is no need for page file. If 
your machine doesn't, you need a page file to "fake" physical RAM.
  
  Cheers
  Ken
  
  
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  > Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
  >
  > Dear Ken,
  >
  >   How can I configure Windows to run without a page file? Will this
  > affect the performance ?
  >
  >   Thanks.
  >
  >
  > Paul Cheuk.
  
  
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[HELP_PC]

Done but didn't get reply
 
GuidoElia
HELPPC
 

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Da: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Inviato: martedì 13 maggio 2008 20.24
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: RE: Associate an external account in Exchange 2k3



You can do it with the gui. You just need to check the box for "associated 
external account".

 

Please ask these questions on the Exchange list.

 

Regards,

 

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From: HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Associate an external account in Exchange 2k3

 


 

As per MS KB 27 I understand that I must disable the current one but is not 
clear if  assigning permissions  is doable from the GUI (mailbox rights) or I 
must go to command line or programming ! I simply have to associate the mailbox 
to another user in  a trusted domain

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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Paul Cheuk]

Dear Ken,

  Thanks for the explanation.

Paul Cheuk

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Fax: (852) 2987 3542, (852) 2987 4843


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Will this affect performance?

If you are asking this type of question, then I suspect that you are
probably not very familiar with the memory management architecture of
Windows, so this isn't really something you should be doing. Michael has
provided steps on how to configure this if you want to.

In Windows, only the kernel sees physical memory

All user mode applications (most of those processes you see listed in Task
Manager) see "virtual memory" that's presented to them by the kernel. On a
32bit version of Windows, each application sees 4GB of address space.

Each application sees its own *unique* 4GB of address space - the
application believes that there is nothing else running on the system. Out
of that 4GB of address space, the upper 2GB is reserved for the kernel, and
the application itself is free to use the lower 2GB. Because each process
has the same layout for reserved kernel space, this is actually shared
between all processes.

OK - so now the virtual memory manager needs to map all this memory to real
physical memory. E.g. iexplore.exe uses bytes 0x0001 -> 0x000F to
store an image. The Windows VMM needs to store this somewhere in physical
memory. It does so by using mapping tables.

Now, what happens when you only have 1GB of physical RAM in your machine,
but each application, thnking it has up to 2GB available, starts actually
*using* all that virtual memory? The VMM runs out of physical memory to
store all this stuff. So it moves some stuff to the page file. If you have
no page file, nothing can be moved, and your applications will start
crashing with out-of-memory exceptions (because the VMM will deny them
memory allocations).

If you system has plenty of physical RAM, then is no need for page file. If
your machine doesn't, you need a page file to "fake" physical RAM.

Cheers
Ken


> -Original Message-
> From: paul cheuk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 11:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
> Dear Ken,
>
>   How can I configure Windows to run without a page file? Will this
> affect the performance ?
>
>   Thanks.
>
>
> Paul Cheuk.


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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Ken Schaefer]

Will this affect performance?

If you are asking this type of question, then I suspect that you are probably 
not very familiar with the memory management architecture of Windows, so this 
isn't really something you should be doing. Michael has provided steps on how 
to configure this if you want to.

In Windows, only the kernel sees physical memory

All user mode applications (most of those processes you see listed in Task 
Manager) see "virtual memory" that's presented to them by the kernel. On a 
32bit version of Windows, each application sees 4GB of address space.

Each application sees its own *unique* 4GB of address space - the application 
believes that there is nothing else running on the system. Out of that 4GB of 
address space, the upper 2GB is reserved for the kernel, and the application 
itself is free to use the lower 2GB. Because each process has the same layout 
for reserved kernel space, this is actually shared between all processes.

OK - so now the virtual memory manager needs to map all this memory to real 
physical memory. E.g. iexplore.exe uses bytes 0x0001 -> 0x000F to store 
an image. The Windows VMM needs to store this somewhere in physical memory. It 
does so by using mapping tables.

Now, what happens when you only have 1GB of physical RAM in your machine, but 
each application, thnking it has up to 2GB available, starts actually *using* 
all that virtual memory? The VMM runs out of physical memory to store all this 
stuff. So it moves some stuff to the page file. If you have no page file, 
nothing can be moved, and your applications will start crashing with 
out-of-memory exceptions (because the VMM will deny them memory allocations).

If you system has plenty of physical RAM, then is no need for page file. If 
your machine doesn't, you need a page file to "fake" physical RAM.

Cheers
Ken


> -Original Message-
> From: paul cheuk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 11:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
> Dear Ken,
>
>   How can I configure Windows to run without a page file? Will this
> affect the performance ?
>
>   Thanks.
>
>
> Paul Cheuk.


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Re: Why XP is doomed

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

System control panel.  Advanced tab.  Performance settings.  Advanced
tab.  Virtual memory settings.

2008/5/13 paul cheuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dear Ken,
>
>  How can I configure Windows to run without a page file? Will this
> affect the performance ?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>
> Paul Cheuk.
>
>
>
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>
>
> Windows has no dependence on a page file. I'm typing this on a machine that
> has no page file configured at the moment, and there is no "hell breaking
> lose"
>
> At the moment SSDs have pretty poor write performance - it's completely
> awful compared to a 7200 RPM drive (let alone faster drives that you get in
> desktops). Until *that* issue is fixed, you won't see them in anything but
> ruggedized laptops or ultralights or similar that are worried about battery
> life.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 6:34 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed
>
> More and more laptops these days are also shipping with SSDs, and with
> the price of flash plumetting, it may be all laptops will use them in
> the future. Biggest problem is wear leveling and Windows' dependence on
> the pagefile, which will kill a ssd in time. Maybe MS will fix that
> issue. I run Linux on my laptop without a pagefile and it runs like a
> dream, try running Windows without a pagefile and watch all hell break
> loose.
>
> Ken Schaefer wrote:
> >
> > There are lots of laptop models that have 7200 RPM as an option. All
> > of our new Latitudes are coming with 7200 RPM disks (probably a couple
> > of thousand this year). Over at MSFT, their IBM Thinkpads are
> > defaulting to 7200 RPM, and I expect their other vendors will be going
> > that way too.
> >
> > It's now only on the cheaper models, or the ultralights, where 7200
> > RPM isn't being offered. 7200 RPM still does have a price premium over
> > 5400 RPM (as well as reduced space).
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > *From:* HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 May 2008 2:29 AM
> > *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> > *Subject:* R: Why XP is doomed
> >
> > 15k for SAS were until a couple of monthes ago only for SAS 3.5'' .Now
> > they are out also for SAS 2.5'.
> >
> > Manufacturers started now to ship some models of laptops with 2.5''
> > 7200 rpm
> >
> > *GuidoElia*
> >
> > *HELPPC*
> >
> > 
> >
> > *Da:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Inviato:* lunedì 12 maggio 2008 17.21
> > *A:* NT System Admin Issues
> > *Oggetto:* RE: Why XP is doomed
> >
> > Ok, maybe the 80's was a stretch, I was kidding.
> >
> > But 72000 RPM 2.5" disks have been out for a few years I would
> > imagine. At least three years I would imagine, since I have been
> > working with laptops. Usually you have to buy them separately, as the
> > manufacturer does not ship them.
> >
> > Even 10,000 RPM 2.5" drives are out now. SAS and SATA.
> >
> > I just got a 15K RPM in my workstation now.
> >
> > *From:* HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 10:12 AM
> > *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> > *Subject:* RE: Why XP is doomed
> >
> >
> > You are wrong . On laptops 7200rpm disks are new! Some brands started
> > now to distribute them on laptops and for workstations 1 rpm SATA
> >
> > *GuidoElia*
> >
> > *HELPPC*
> >
> > 
> >
> > *Da:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Inviato:* lunedì 12 maggio 2008 16.48
> > *A:* NT System Admin Issues
> > *Oggetto:* RE: Why XP is doomed
> >
> > I never buy any laptops with 5400 RPM disks. That's so 1980's. I throw
> > 7200 in all our laptops,

Re: Why XP is doomed

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

+1

I've been running without a pagefile for years.  3gb, no problems with
very large files.  If you have enough memory, you do not need a
pagefile.


On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Windows has no dependence on a page file. I'm typing this on a machine that 
> has no page file configured at the moment, and there is no "hell breaking 
> lose"
>
> At the moment SSDs have pretty poor write performance - it's completely awful 
> compared to a 7200 RPM drive (let alone faster drives that you get in 
> desktops). Until *that* issue is fixed, you won't see them in anything but 
> ruggedized laptops or ultralights or similar that are worried about battery 
> life.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 6:34 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed
>
>
> More and more laptops these days are also shipping with SSDs, and with
> the price of flash plumetting, it may be all laptops will use them in
> the future. Biggest problem is wear leveling and Windows' dependence on
> the pagefile, which will kill a ssd in time. Maybe MS will fix that
> issue. I run Linux on my laptop without a pagefile and it runs like a
> dream, try running Windows without a pagefile and watch all hell break
> loose.
>
> Ken Schaefer wrote:
> >
> > There are lots of laptop models that have 7200 RPM as an option. All
> > of our new Latitudes are coming with 7200 RPM disks (probably a couple
> > of thousand this year). Over at MSFT, their IBM Thinkpads are
> > defaulting to 7200 RPM, and I expect their other vendors will be going
> > that way too.
> >
> > It's now only on the cheaper models, or the ultralights, where 7200
> > RPM isn't being offered. 7200 RPM still does have a price premium over
> > 5400 RPM (as well as reduced space).
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > *From:* HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 May 2008 2:29 AM
> > *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> > *Subject:* R: Why XP is doomed
> >
> > 15k for SAS were until a couple of monthes ago only for SAS 3.5'' .Now
> > they are out also for SAS 2.5'.
> >
> > Manufacturers started now to ship some models of laptops with 2.5''
> > 7200 rpm
> >
> > *GuidoElia*
> >
> > *HELPPC*
> >
> > 
> >
> > *Da:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Inviato:* lunedì 12 maggio 2008 17.21
> > *A:* NT System Admin Issues
> > *Oggetto:* RE: Why XP is doomed
> >
> > Ok, maybe the 80's was a stretch, I was kidding.
> >
> > But 72000 RPM 2.5" disks have been out for a few years I would
> > imagine. At least three years I would imagine, since I have been
> > working with laptops. Usually you have to buy them separately, as the
> > manufacturer does not ship them.
> >
> > Even 10,000 RPM 2.5" drives are out now. SAS and SATA.
> >
> > I just got a 15K RPM in my workstation now.
> >
> > *From:* HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 10:12 AM
> > *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> > *Subject:* RE: Why XP is doomed
> >
> >
> > You are wrong . On laptops 7200rpm disks are new! Some brands started
> > now to distribute them on laptops and for workstations 1 rpm SATA
> >
> > *GuidoElia*
> >
> > *HELPPC*
> >
> > 
> >
> > *Da:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Inviato:* lunedì 12 maggio 2008 16.48
> > *A:* NT System Admin Issues
> > *Oggetto:* RE: Why XP is doomed
> >
> > I never buy any laptops with 5400 RPM disks. That's so 1980's. I throw
> > 7200 in all our laptops, heat has never been a problem. Now, on an
> > ultra-portable or tablet, I could see how it could be... But then
> > again, there are many 7200 RPM drives that claim they are just as cool
> > as 5400 rpm drives...
> >
> > *From:* Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 9:04 AM
> > *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> > *Subject:* RE: Why XP is doomed
> >
> > Doesn't putting in a 7200 spin disk increase the heat factor? I always
> > thought that was the reason some laptops come with 5400 spin drives to
> > keep the heat down.
> >
> > Bill Lambert
> >
> > Concuity
> >
> > 847-941-9206
> >
> > *From:* Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:46 AM
> > *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> > *Subject:* RE: Why XP is doomed
> >
> > My wife has a top of the line Sony SZ48 series Vaio. Fantastic machine
> > - carbon fibre case, weighs next to nothing, two GPUs. Performance out
> > of the box is abysmal. I replaced the drive with a 7200 RPM disk,
> > upped the RAM, and tried to remove as much Sony crapware as possible
> > (it even comes with its own copy of SQL Server to manage your media -
> > because WMP obviously can't do that). Runs a lot better now, but I
> > suspect it'll run a lot better with a clean install.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > *From:* 

RE: Why XP is doomed

[paul cheuk]

Dear Ken,

  How can I configure Windows to run without a page file? Will this
affect the performance ?

  Thanks.


Paul Cheuk.



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Windows has no dependence on a page file. I'm typing this on a machine that
has no page file configured at the moment, and there is no "hell breaking
lose"

At the moment SSDs have pretty poor write performance - it's completely
awful compared to a 7200 RPM drive (let alone faster drives that you get in
desktops). Until *that* issue is fixed, you won't see them in anything but
ruggedized laptops or ultralights or similar that are worried about battery
life.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2008 6:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed

More and more laptops these days are also shipping with SSDs, and with
the price of flash plumetting, it may be all laptops will use them in
the future. Biggest problem is wear leveling and Windows' dependence on
the pagefile, which will kill a ssd in time. Maybe MS will fix that
issue. I run Linux on my laptop without a pagefile and it runs like a
dream, try running Windows without a pagefile and watch all hell break
loose.

Ken Schaefer wrote:
>
> There are lots of laptop models that have 7200 RPM as an option. All
> of our new Latitudes are coming with 7200 RPM disks (probably a couple
> of thousand this year). Over at MSFT, their IBM Thinkpads are
> defaulting to 7200 RPM, and I expect their other vendors will be going
> that way too.
>
> It's now only on the cheaper models, or the ultralights, where 7200
> RPM isn't being offered. 7200 RPM still does have a price premium over
> 5400 RPM (as well as reduced space).
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
> *From:* HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 May 2008 2:29 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* R: Why XP is doomed
>
> 15k for SAS were until a couple of monthes ago only for SAS 3.5'' .Now
> they are out also for SAS 2.5'.
>
> Manufacturers started now to ship some models of laptops with 2.5''
> 7200 rpm
>
> *GuidoElia*
>
> *HELPPC*
>
> 
>
> *Da:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Inviato:* lunedì 12 maggio 2008 17.21
> *A:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Oggetto:* RE: Why XP is doomed
>
> Ok, maybe the 80's was a stretch, I was kidding.
>
> But 72000 RPM 2.5" disks have been out for a few years I would
> imagine. At least three years I would imagine, since I have been
> working with laptops. Usually you have to buy them separately, as the
> manufacturer does not ship them.
>
> Even 10,000 RPM 2.5" drives are out now. SAS and SATA.
>
> I just got a 15K RPM in my workstation now.
>
> *From:* HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 10:12 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
> You are wrong . On laptops 7200rpm disks are new! Some brands started
> now to distribute them on laptops and for workstations 1 rpm SATA
>
> *GuidoElia*
>
> *HELPPC*
>
> 
>
> *Da:* Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Inviato:* lunedì 12 maggio 2008 16.48
> *A:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Oggetto:* RE: Why XP is doomed
>
> I never buy any laptops with 5400 RPM disks. That's so 1980's. I throw
> 7200 in all our laptops, heat has never been a problem. Now, on an
> ultra-portable or tablet, I could see how it could be... But then
> again, there are many 7200 RPM drives that claim they are just as cool
> as 5400 rpm drives...
>
> *From:* Bill Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 9:04 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Why XP is doomed
>
> Doesn't putting in a 7200 spi

Re: Why XP is doomed

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

"That's how dad did it, that's how America does it, and it's worked
out pretty well so far."

;-)

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> What happens when someone wants a laptop, and to be able to work on files
> etc away from the office? Do you make them VPN in all the time to be able to
> edit something off an internal file server?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 1:11 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have to say I agree and disagree with both threads.
>
>
> I agree with Murray because in my org the pc's are just dumb terminals and
> all the work is done from the db on a server.
>
>
> If I was in an org where everyone was responsible for their own data storage
> and servers where mainly for print servers then I guess I see where a more
> secure, faster pc would come in handy.
>
>
> But right now I push policy from the DC and the pc is stuck with what I
> allow it to do not the user.
>
>
> If I don't want him storing files on it I don't allow it.  I don't have to
> worry about someone hacking the pc.  I just keep the data lines tethered
> with a tight string and I feel good when I go home at night.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
>
> From: Murray Freeman
>
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:06 AM
>
>
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
>
> No offense, but your post sounds like it was written bya MS Marketing Wiz.
> Increased Security is a good thing. But define "increased security". Since
> all our info is retained on servers, isn't that where I should be concerned
> about security? Improved ease of management is another good thing, but I'm
> not sure that Vista will improve management of my servers. Oh, and I'm not
> clear just how Vista will improve the ease of workstation management.
> Sleep/Hibernate isn't an issue here, but that's not to say it might not be
> an issue some day, I just don't see it. If Vista is more reliable than XP,
> that's a good thing, but we're not having a reliablity issue with our
> workstations or servers for that fact. Finally, SPEED, now that's a hot
> button for me. But what got me to respond the first time to this thread was
> the fact that one individual had a faster laptop, but Vista wasn't running
> any faster than XP on an older slower laptop. So, is there really an
> increase in speed?
>
>
>
>
> Murray
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:38 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If your organization doesn't need things like increased security, improved
> ease of management, and better performance with offline files and folders,
> then no—Vista probably wouldn't be of use to you. Ditto for improved
> sleep/hibernate and increased speed through ReadyBoost and SuperFetch.
>
>
>
> For my organization, these new features bring benefits over XP. In fact,
> most organizations benefit from improved speed, security, and reliability.
> But if yours doesn't, that's okay.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:31 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Now let me understand this. I should spend the money to acquire a new FASTER
> computer so that I can run Vista which runs at the very SAME speed that an
> older slower computer did running XP, but Vista really has little if any to
> offer in the way of benefits. Now I get it! I'm loving this thread,
> because so far I don't hear any good reasons to upgrade to Vista. I've been
> in IT for nearly 44 years. During that time I've seen a lot of changes, and
> in most cases more productivity for smaller amounts of financial investment.
> But I just have a real problem with spending MORE to get virtually nothing
> for my investment..other than I can tell people that I have VISTA!!!  I
> want to thank everyone for reaffirming the decision I had already made for
> my organization.
>
> Murray
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> From: Graeme Carstairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:29 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed
>
>
>
> I have 2.2 GHZ Centrino Duo laptop with 2GB of RAM and Vista works as fast
> as my previous XP Machine which was a 1.8GHX Centrino Duo and 2GB RAM.
>
> So your Pentium D 3 Ghz should be fine and dandy with or without the 4gb
> obviously 4gb would be better but then that goes for xp too.
>
> Graeme
> I have 2.2 GHZ Centrino Duo laptop with 2GB of RAM and 

RE: Why XP is doomed

[Ken Schaefer]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 4:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed


"John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/12/2008 08:29:20 PM:

> My Pentium D is only 2.8 GHz, so you've got me beat there. I've also
> got just 2 GB of RAM. I use Photoshop, but not working with huge
> images and no video editing. I don't think you can do 4 GB without
> going 64-bit, right?

You can install 4G, but XP won't see more than ... 3.2G? ... of it. Even on 64 
bit XP/Vista,

Huh? Simply not true. Covered many times on this list. Please read the links to 
the Microsoft Windows Hardware Developer Center (WHDC) posted previously

 Photoshop CS3 won't use more than 4G for images, and 2G for cache.

Photoshop is a user more application. All user mode applications, on 32bit 
Windows, see 4GB of virtual address space. That is regardless of whether there 
is 1GB of RAM in the machine, 256MB of RAMin the machine or 50GB of RAM in 
the machine

Cheers
Ken

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RE: Me so stupid..

[Ken Schaefer]

Huh?

AD is a multi-master system. If you are rebooting a virtual server host of some 
kind, then it means you need /other/ DCs elsewhere (virtualised or not).

The non-availability of DCs hosted on a virtual server is exactly the same 
issue as if those DCs were physical and not available because you had to reboot 
the physical box - which means just about nothing except in larger (say 25,000+ 
user) environments.

This argument is pretty much bogus in my book.

Microsoft has an excellent whitepaper on running DCs virtualised. Worth reading 
as it answers most of questions asked here.

Cheers
Ken

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 3:34 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Me so stupid..
>
> Yes, you should have a domain controller that hosts your FSMO roles and
> DNS
> on physical hardware, however, you can have other domain controllers
> which
> are virtual. Also, you can cluster domain controller and make other
> server
> virtual. This makes since because if you reboot your Virtual Server and
> the
> domain controller is on virtual server then that will cause issues.
>
> Mike
>
> Original Message:
> -
> From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:51:46 -0700
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: Me so stupid..
>
>
> I'm reading up on virtualizing domain controllers and found this:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888794
>
> It says, in part:
> "We recommend that you locate critical server roles on domain
> controllers that are installed directly on physical hardware. Critical
> server roles include the following:
> * Global catalog servers
> * Domain Name System (DNS) servers
> * Operations master roles, also known as flexible single master
> operations (FSMO)"
>
> How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
> associated with it?
>
> Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
> "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands"
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: Me so stupid..

[Ken Schaefer]

Actually, you can spread the forest and domain wide FSMO role holders, so it 
would be quite possible to have 5 different DCs, each holding one FSMO role.

Maybe that is what you meant to say, but it didn't quite read like that to me.

Cheers
Ken

> -Original Message-
> From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 3:08 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Me so stupid..
>
> By definition the FSMO roles are limited to one DC in the forest or in
> the
> domain.  So if you have more than one DC per domain, most likely one
> has all
> the FSMO roles and the others do not.
>
> Carl
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:52 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Me so stupid..
>
> I'm reading up on virtualizing domain controllers and found this:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888794
>
> It says, in part:
> "We recommend that you locate critical server roles on domain
> controllers that are installed directly on physical hardware. Critical
> server roles include the following:
> * Global catalog servers
> * Domain Name System (DNS) servers
> * Operations master roles, also known as flexible single master
> operations (FSMO)"
>
> How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
> associated with it?
>
> Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
> "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands"
>
>
>
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RE: WebEx alternatives

[Webster]

 

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives

 

I keep reading the subject as ExLax alternatives.

 

That was a crappy thing to say. J

 

 

Webster

 

 

From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives

 

We're M$ Gold Certified and AFAIK there's no way to get it for free.  We pay
(and it's not cheap like the old Placeware days).  It's a nice system
though.  

 

Sometimes I pine for WebEx when a customer says "Oh, I have to download this
control to get this to work".  Sometimes going with the leader is easier.
And, WebEx will probably deal with you if you hit them at the end of the
quarter...

 

As far as all the others, I don't know about some of them, but just remember
that Clueless Salespeople have to run them.  They want to put their
Powerpoint up and blab away. 

 

 

Alex


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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Ken Schaefer]

What happens when someone wants a laptop, and to be able to work on files etc 
away from the office? Do you make them VPN in all the time to be able to edit 
something off an internal file server?

Cheers
Ken

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 1:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed

I have to say I agree and disagree with both threads.
I agree with Murray because in my org the pc's are just dumb terminals and all 
the work is done from the db on a server.
If I was in an org where everyone was responsible for their own data storage 
and servers where mainly for print servers then I guess I see where a more 
secure, faster pc would come in handy.
But right now I push policy from the DC and the pc is stuck with what I allow 
it to do not the user.
If I don't want him storing files on it I don't allow it.  I don't have to 
worry about someone hacking the pc.  I just keep the data lines tethered with a 
tight string and I feel good when I go home at night.

- Original Message -
From: Murray Freeman
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

No offense, but your post sounds like it was written bya MS Marketing Wiz. 
Increased Security is a good thing. But define "increased security". Since all 
our info is retained on servers, isn't that where I should be concerned about 
security? Improved ease of management is another good thing, but I'm not sure 
that Vista will improve management of my servers. Oh, and I'm not clear just 
how Vista will improve the ease of workstation management. Sleep/Hibernate 
isn't an issue here, but that's not to say it might not be an issue some day, I 
just don't see it. If Vista is more reliable than XP, that's a good thing, but 
we're not having a reliablity issue with our workstations or servers for that 
fact. Finally, SPEED, now that's a hot button for me. But what got me to 
respond the first time to this thread was the fact that one individual had a 
faster laptop, but Vista wasn't running any faster than XP on an older slower 
laptop. So, is there really an increase in speed?


Murray




From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

If your organization doesn't need things like increased security, improved ease 
of management, and better performance with offline files and folders, then 
no-Vista probably wouldn't be of use to you. Ditto for improved sleep/hibernate 
and increased speed through ReadyBoost and SuperFetch.

For my organization, these new features bring benefits over XP. In fact, most 
organizations benefit from improved speed, security, and reliability. But if 
yours doesn't, that's okay.



John


From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed

Now let me understand this. I should spend the money to acquire a new FASTER 
computer so that I can run Vista which runs at the very SAME speed that an 
older slower computer did running XP, but Vista really has little if any to 
offer in the way of benefits. Now I get it! I'm loving this thread, because 
so far I don't hear any good reasons to upgrade to Vista. I've been in IT for 
nearly 44 years. During that time I've seen a lot of changes, and in most cases 
more productivity for smaller amounts of financial investment. But I just have 
a real problem with spending MORE to get virtually nothing for my 
investment..other than I can tell people that I have VISTA!!!  I want to 
thank everyone for reaffirming the decision I had already made for my 
organization.

Murray



From: Graeme Carstairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed
I have 2.2 GHZ Centrino Duo laptop with 2GB of RAM and Vista works as fast as 
my previous XP Machine which was a 1.8GHX Centrino Duo and 2GB RAM.

So your Pentium D 3 Ghz should be fine and dandy with or without the 4gb
obviously 4gb would be better but then that goes for xp too.

Graeme
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

"John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 
05/12/2008 03:53:29 PM:


> Well, it's moot that a crappy system being sold by a vendor is good
> enough to run XP. It's also good enough to run Windows for
> Workgroups and DOS-but that's not the point.

>
> Yes, Vista has higher hardware requirements. Just like XP has higher
> requirements than Win9x had, and just like Win9x had higher
> requirements than Win3x had. Every OS that comes out is likely to
> have higher requirements than the OS before it.
>
> But honestly, Vista's hardware requirements aren't crazy high. As I
> mentioned before, I'm

RE: WebEx alternatives

[Martin Blackstone]

I keep reading the subject as ExLax alternatives.

 

From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives

 

We're M$ Gold Certified and AFAIK there's no way to get it for free.  We pay
(and it's not cheap like the old Placeware days).  It's a nice system
though.  

 

Sometimes I pine for WebEx when a customer says "Oh, I have to download this
control to get this to work".  Sometimes going with the leader is easier.
And, WebEx will probably deal with you if you hit them at the end of the
quarter...

 

As far as all the others, I don't know about some of them, but just remember
that Clueless Salespeople have to run them.  They want to put their
Powerpoint up and blab away. 

 

 

Alex

 

 

  _  

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives

One thing that I I'm hearing internally is that the sales/marketing types
want Live Meeting mainly b/c of the integration with Outlook.  However, for
those of you who are M$ partners, can you use live meeting for free?  I'm
researching this, since we be a partner but I don't have an answer.yet.

 

Thanks for all the feedback thus far. 

 

Shook

  _  

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives

 

We've used Yugma for online demos and collaborative meetings.  It used to be
free, but is now affordably priced.

 

http://www.yugma.com/forbusiness/business.php

 

Roger Wright

 

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WebEx alternatives

 

List,

Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of WebEx.
I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All I'm looking
to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with the occasional
remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our firm and I
apprecialove any comments.  

 

Shook

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

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RE: Old Hardware

[Jim Majorowicz]

Do you at least light it on fire first?  :P

-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

I put my old equipment on my neighbor's porch, ring the doorbell and run.


-Original Message-
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

Is there a Goodwill place nearby?  They take old computers.  I would imagine
they recycle whatever isn't useful to somebody.

Carl

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Old Hardware

Let's get off of this Vista bashing... Not that I don't like taking a few
wacks at Vista... but beating a dead horse won't make it run faster.

So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated equipment?

When that Pentium II 266 just doesn't run the software like you need it too
anymore, What are your options?

Since we're a school, our policy is decided by committee... Which means we
recycle. And pay by the pound for it.

--Matt Ross



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RE: WebEx alternatives

[Alex Eckelberry]

We're M$ Gold Certified and AFAIK there's no way to get it for free.  We
pay (and it's not cheap like the old Placeware days).  It's a nice
system though.  
 
Sometimes I pine for WebEx when a customer says "Oh, I have to download
this control to get this to work".  Sometimes going with the leader is
easier. And, WebEx will probably deal with you if you hit them at the
end of the quarter...
 
As far as all the others, I don't know about some of them, but just
remember that Clueless Salespeople have to run them.  They want to put
their Powerpoint up and blab away. 
 
 
Alex
 



From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives



One thing that I I'm hearing internally is that the sales/marketing
types want Live Meeting mainly b/c of the integration with Outlook.
However, for those of you who are M$ partners, can you use live meeting
for free?  I'm researching this, since we be a partner but I don't have
an answer...yet.

 

Thanks for all the feedback thus far. 

 

Shook



From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives

 

We've used Yugma for online demos and collaborative meetings.  It used
to be free, but is now affordably priced.

 

http://www.yugma.com/forbusiness/business.php

 

Roger Wright

 

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WebEx alternatives

 

List,

Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of
WebEx.  I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All
I'm looking to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with
the occasional remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our
firm and I apprecialove any comments.  

 

Shook

 

 

 

 

 






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RE: Strange PC issue

[Jim Majorowicz]

I think Martin missed that you're not only working for a .gov, but for a
CA.gov.  You're lucky the state has enough money to make your regular pay.

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 7:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange PC issue

 

Sorry Martin, I had already left before you sent this.  7:00 - 4:00, an hour
lunch, overtime only when absolutely necessary, such as coming in this
Saturday to install the new firewall and test it out, which of course will
be paid for through comp time, not overtime pay...

 

Joe Heaton

 

 

  _  

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange PC issue

I'll need it done before you go home. 

Thanks

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange PC issue

 

Thanks Michael, I'll update the driver in the morning...

 

Joe Heaton

 

 

  _  

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange PC issue

Sure have. Take a look at the default printer and it's driver.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Strange PC issue

 

Anyone see an issue where you try to access printing preferences from an
application, and the app then crashes?  Or try to access printing
preferences straight from the printer icon, and explorer.exe crashes?  I've
got a user experiencing this, in pretty much all apps except Excel, and
before I just re-image the box, I was wondering if any of you guys had seen
anything like this.

 

Joe Heaton

AISA

Employment Training Panel

1100 J Street, 4th Floor

Sacramento, CA  95814

(916) 327-5276

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

 

 
 
 

 

 

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Re: Me so stupid..

[mck1012]

Your information is incorrect. The are 5 FSMO roles, 3 per domain and 2 forest 
wide. To find out who has the roles open a command prompt and type "netdom 
/query fsmo"

Domain Naming Master
Schema Master
RID Master
PDC
Infrastructure


- Original Message 
From: Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:09:48 PM
Subject: Re: Me so stupid..

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:51 PM, David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
>  associated with it?

  Each individual FSMO role runs on one DC and one DC only.  (You have
have multiple FSMO roles on a single DC.)  So if you've got a single
domain with two DCs, and one DC holds all four FSMO roles, the other
DC will not hold any FSMO roles.

  There are three FSMO roles per domain, and one per forest.

-- Ben

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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Jim Majorowicz]

I actually almost got thrown out of college for doing that.  In Advanced
Assembly my Sophomore year I used, with permission, the code from a fellow
student who had written a better piece of code for the previous assignment
that the current assignment was built from.  The only difference between my
code and the code of most of my other classmates, was I gave the "proper"
credit in the code itself, and got accused of cheating by the instructor and
got us both called in front of the student ethics committee.

Basically, the teacher was pissed that I cited my work, even though he gave
us the code in class.  Except he didn't cite the source.  It became one of
those stupid college politically footballs because everyone on the committee
had to admit (privately) that I followed proper coding procedure even if the
instructor didn't.  I had to redo the assignment using my code from the
previous assignment (which I don't think even the instructor could get to
work for the second part, which is why we all ended up with the other
student's code.)  Eventually the guy I borrowed from showed me how to imbed
his code into mine so the instructor wouldn't see it, then I submitted that
to pass the class.

Needless to say I never took that instructor for a programming class
again...

BTW, the lesson we learned was to not take hardware based programming
classes from the Software instructors.

-Original Message-
From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 7:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed


That's what happens with the use of everyone else's code.
Even in class the instructors would say if you have routine that gets you 
the results you want
just give credit to the originator and program around it.
That kind of patchwork programming is what we have laying around our 
Internet and bloating our pc's.

- Original Message - 
From: "John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed


I'm not a programmer, but it does seem to me that today's programmers
have been able to get sloppy in terms of memory usage. When I was a kid,
I had a Commodore 64. It took a lot of talent and creativity to be able
to program for a 64k machine. I think programmers these days figure the
end user will have 1-2 gigs of RAM, so they don't try too hard to write
ultra-efficient code. This is true at both the OS and the application
level.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us






-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed

It has just become ridiculous how much memory you need for a
workstation. I
remember upgrading workstations to 32MB of memory and then 64MB and we
thought that was a lot.
Servers back then only had 1-2GB of memory. I remember the old Novell
servers running with 512MB of memory.

Mike


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Re: Windows Vista Sysprep Woes

[Matthew W. Ross]

Any suggestions would be wonderful. If you wish, send them off list.

Thank you.

--Matt Ross

- Original Message -
From: Steve Ens
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To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue, 13 May 2008
14:14:36 -0700
Subject: Re: Windows Vista Sysprep Woes


> I just had my technician go through the WDS rigamarole...he did run into
> problems, but seemed to come up with a solution.  Let me if you want his
> suggestions.
> 
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Matthew W. Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hey List.
> >
> > So, we're looking at deployment options for Vista.
> >
> > Looking at Microsoft's Windows Deployment Services (WDS), and found it to
> > be very complicated...
> >
> > So, I've got a base WinPE 2.0 up and running, and now have imagex.exe
> > accessible from a server. (Maybe later I'll get it in the PE itself, but
> > this is good for now.) I can Sysprep a Vista machine, and make an image of
> > it... works great... but I want to automate it a little bit more.
> >
> > I took a look at how Sysprep does things differently from XP to Vista...
> > Whoa boy... new XML file format and everything! Okay, but what are the
> > settings I can set?
> >
> > WDS's Windows System Image Manager seems to be the Microsoft Prescribed
> > method of creating an unattended.xml file... but the documentation is...
> > well... WDS centered. I don't want all that. I just want to make a
> > self-imaged system to be easier to start up.
> >
> > If I could, I'd only ask that the OOBE ask me for the machine's name, then
> > do everything else... including bind to the domain. I've seen some example
> > unattended.xml files on the web, but nothing that seems easy enough for me
> > to digest.
> >
> > Any good resources for Vista Syspreping? Anybody here have experiance with
> > this without going through the entire WDS process?
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> >
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RE: Old Hardware

[Erik Goldoff]

Hey, I'm just north of ATL  (Duluth) holler when you're gonna 'surplus' some
stuff and I'll bring my .40 's !  
 
 

   _  

From: wjh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Old Hardware


I might be able to get away with it in my backyard.  I live inside the
Atlanta city limits...everyone expects some occasional gunplay.

Kim Longenbaugh wrote: 

You’re right, it was not a serious suggestion.

I would definitely not want to add ammunition (LOL) to the folks that would
like to take our guns away, since the idea of only criminals and government
agencies having firearms, so I withdraw the suggestion.

I do live in an un-incorporated county area, though…are you anywhere near
Fort Worth, TX?  LOL




   _  


From: Steve Kelsay [HYPERLINK
"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware



I know this was tongue in cheek, but shooting ranges are strictly
environmentally supervised by several state and federal agencies, have to
have on file a lead ( and other heavy metals) removal and recovery plan, and
they are checked on it constantly.  It is not an inexpensive concept. So
don’t take it to the local range, take in out in your backyard and shoot it
there! I can supply the firearms, ammunition, and training if you need it!
You supply the beer (for after the shoot, of course!)



From: Kim Longenbaugh [HYPERLINK
"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 16:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware



Take the monitors to a shooting range.  The shooters like popping those
CRTs!  We’re already talking about lead pollution out the wazoo, so what’s a
little bit of rare earths, mecury, etc added to it?




   _  


From: wjh [HYPERLINK
"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Old Hardware



We scavenge for anything we might find useful, then recycle the rest.  We
found a recycler that is free for everything but CRTs.  Seven bucks a pop
for those.

Bill

Ben Scott wrote: 

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Matthew W. Ross
HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

 So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated equipment?


 
  A few I keep around to get used for odd-ball jobs, like running a
web browser for a single web site needed for a certain employee
process.  (Like a kiosk.)  Some I load Linux on and turn them into
thin clients.  Some get stripped for parts.  Some get given to
employees.  Anything leftover goes to a local reclamation shop.  The
shop we use takes some stuff for free, depending on what it is and
market conditions.
 
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RE: Entirely weird explorer behavior

[Ben Schorr]

Sure, if you can find a discreet way to get them to create new folders. :)

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
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-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Entirely weird explorer behavior

Very weird :)  Sounds like a great hoax to play on someone! 

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Entirely weird explorer behavior

Yeah, I goofed.

ALZIP is the culprit.

Still weird.

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Sam Cayze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Check your Google syntax!
>
>  I didn't believe it, so I checked Google.
>
>  I used: 'bird new folder' (no quotes) and got tons of results...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:23 PM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: Entirely weird explorer behavior
>
>  One of my desktop support people has run across something I have
>  *never* seen before, and I can't find anything about it on google.
>
>  We have a machine that, when he right-mouse-clicks in the right-hand

> pane of Explorer to create a new folder, the new folder will be  
> populated with the name of a bird, instead of New Folder. The name of

> the bird is different every time - warbler, oriole, eagle, robin,  
> whatever. Strangest computer thing I've seen in a long time.
>
>  Anyone seen this before, and know what it is?
>
>  Kurt
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RE: Old Hardware

[Kim Longenbaugh]

:-)

 

 



From: wjh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Old Hardware

 

I might be able to get away with it in my backyard.  I live inside the
Atlanta city limits...everyone expects some occasional gunplay.

Kim Longenbaugh wrote: 

You're right, it was not a serious suggestion.

I would definitely not want to add ammunition (LOL) to the folks that
would like to take our guns away, since the idea of only criminals and
government agencies having firearms, so I withdraw the suggestion.

I do live in an un-incorporated county area, though...are you anywhere
near Fort Worth, TX?  LOL

 



From: Steve Kelsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

 

I know this was tongue in cheek, but shooting ranges are strictly
environmentally supervised by several state and federal agencies, have
to have on file a lead ( and other heavy metals) removal and recovery
plan, and they are checked on it constantly.  It is not an inexpensive
concept. So don't take it to the local range, take in out in your
backyard and shoot it there! I can supply the firearms, ammunition, and
training if you need it! You supply the beer (for after the shoot, of
course!)

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 16:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

 

Take the monitors to a shooting range.  The shooters like popping those
CRTs!  We're already talking about lead pollution out the wazoo, so
what's a little bit of rare earths, mecury, etc added to it?

 



From: wjh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Old Hardware

 

We scavenge for anything we might find useful, then recycle the rest.
We found a recycler that is free for everything but CRTs.  Seven bucks a
pop for those.

Bill

Ben Scott wrote: 

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Matthew W. Ross
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   wrote:
  

 So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated
equipment?


 
  A few I keep around to get used for odd-ball jobs, like running a
web browser for a single web site needed for a certain employee
process.  (Like a kiosk.)  Some I load Linux on and turn them into
thin clients.  Some get stripped for parts.  Some get given to
employees.  Anything leftover goes to a local reclamation shop.  The
shop we use takes some stuff for free, depending on what it is and
market conditions.
 
-- Ben
 
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RE: WebEx alternatives

[Michael B. Smith]

I've got LiveMeeting for free because I'm an MVP (quite a number of MVPs
hold regular online conferences - I don't think any of the Exchange MVPs
have though). I don't believe, when I was a Gold Partner, that that was one
of the benefits.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives

 

One thing that I I'm hearing internally is that the sales/marketing types
want Live Meeting mainly b/c of the integration with Outlook.  However, for
those of you who are M$ partners, can you use live meeting for free?  I'm
researching this, since we be a partner but I don't have an answer.yet.

 

Thanks for all the feedback thus far. 

 

Shook

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From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives

 

We've used Yugma for online demos and collaborative meetings.  It used to be
free, but is now affordably priced.

 

http://www.yugma.com/forbusiness/business.php

 

Roger Wright

 

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WebEx alternatives

 

List,

Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of WebEx.
I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All I'm looking
to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with the occasional
remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our firm and I
apprecialove any comments.  

 

Shook

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Old Hardware

[wjh]

I might be able to get away with it in my backyard.  I live inside the 
Atlanta city limits...everyone expects some occasional gunplay.

Kim Longenbaugh wrote:
> 
>
> You're right, it was not a serious suggestion.
>
> I would definitely not want to add ammunition (LOL) to the folks that 
> would like to take our guns away, since the idea of only criminals and 
> government agencies having firearms, so I withdraw the suggestion.
>
> I do live in an un-incorporated county area, though...are you anywhere 
> near Fort Worth, TX?  LOL
>
> 
>
> *From:* Steve Kelsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:11 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Old Hardware
>
> I know this was tongue in cheek, but shooting ranges are strictly 
> environmentally supervised by several state and federal agencies, have 
> to have on file a lead ( and other heavy metals) removal and recovery 
> plan, and they are checked on it constantly.  It is not an inexpensive 
> concept. So don't take it to the local range, take in out in your 
> backyard and shoot it there! I can supply the firearms, ammunition, 
> and training if you need it! You supply the beer (for after the shoot, 
> of course!)
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 13, 2008 16:02 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Old Hardware
>
> Take the monitors to a shooting range.  The shooters like popping 
> those CRTs!  We're already talking about lead pollution out the wazoo, 
> so what's a little bit of rare earths, mecury, etc added to it?
>
> 
>
> *From:* wjh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:48 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Old Hardware
>
> We scavenge for anything we might find useful, then recycle the rest.  
> We found a recycler that is free for everything but CRTs.  Seven bucks 
> a pop for those.
>
> Bill
>
> Ben Scott wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Matthew W. Ross
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
>   
>
>  So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated 
> equipment?
>
> 
>
>  
>   A few I keep around to get used for odd-ball jobs, like running a
> web browser for a single web site needed for a certain employee
> process.  (Like a kiosk.)  Some I load Linux on and turn them into
> thin clients.  Some get stripped for parts.  Some get given to
> employees.  Anything leftover goes to a local reclamation shop.  The
> shop we use takes some stuff for free, depending on what it is and
> market conditions.
>  
> -- Ben
>  
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Re: Windows Vista Sysprep Woes

[Steve Ens]

I just had my technician go through the WDS rigamarole...he did run into
problems, but seemed to come up with a solution.  Let me if you want his
suggestions.

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Matthew W. Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hey List.
>
> So, we're looking at deployment options for Vista.
>
> Looking at Microsoft's Windows Deployment Services (WDS), and found it to
> be very complicated...
>
> So, I've got a base WinPE 2.0 up and running, and now have imagex.exe
> accessible from a server. (Maybe later I'll get it in the PE itself, but
> this is good for now.) I can Sysprep a Vista machine, and make an image of
> it... works great... but I want to automate it a little bit more.
>
> I took a look at how Sysprep does things differently from XP to Vista...
> Whoa boy... new XML file format and everything! Okay, but what are the
> settings I can set?
>
> WDS's Windows System Image Manager seems to be the Microsoft Prescribed
> method of creating an unattended.xml file... but the documentation is...
> well... WDS centered. I don't want all that. I just want to make a
> self-imaged system to be easier to start up.
>
> If I could, I'd only ask that the OOBE ask me for the machine's name, then
> do everything else... including bind to the domain. I've seen some example
> unattended.xml files on the web, but nothing that seems easy enough for me
> to digest.
>
> Any good resources for Vista Syspreping? Anybody here have experiance with
> this without going through the entire WDS process?
>
> --Matt Ross
>
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Windows Vista Sysprep Woes

[Matthew W. Ross]

Hey List.

So, we're looking at deployment options for Vista.

Looking at Microsoft's Windows Deployment Services (WDS), and found it to be 
very complicated...

So, I've got a base WinPE 2.0 up and running, and now have imagex.exe 
accessible from a server. (Maybe later I'll get it in the PE itself, but this 
is good for now.) I can Sysprep a Vista machine, and make an image of it... 
works great... but I want to automate it a little bit more.

I took a look at how Sysprep does things differently from XP to Vista... Whoa 
boy... new XML file format and everything! Okay, but what are the settings I 
can set?

WDS's Windows System Image Manager seems to be the Microsoft Prescribed method 
of creating an unattended.xml file... but the documentation is... well... WDS 
centered. I don't want all that. I just want to make a self-imaged system to be 
easier to start up.

If I could, I'd only ask that the OOBE ask me for the machine's name, then do 
everything else... including bind to the domain. I've seen some example 
unattended.xml files on the web, but nothing that seems easy enough for me to 
digest.

Any good resources for Vista Syspreping? Anybody here have experiance with this 
without going through the entire WDS process?

--Matt Ross

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Online IP Handset seller

[Joseph L. Casale]

Anyone got any recos for preferably but not exclusively Canadian online 
resellers for either Snom or Aastra phones?

Thanks!
jlc

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RE: SQL 2000 Reinstall

[Joseph L. Casale]

Thanks Tom and Eric.
I will be doing this after hours so I am glad there wont be any suprises!
jlc

From: Eric Wittersheim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SQL 2000 Reinstall

I am pretty sure that you do not need a key for SQL
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Joseph L. Casale <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> wrote:
Our ERP system's SQL 2k server went south and I am just pulling in media from 
our eopen site. I am new to SQL as our only SQL guy left, so I was I looking 
for the product keys in our eopen site and I don't see any. I have never 
installked SQL before, so do I assume the download the eopen site (an 
compressed exe file) doesn't need a key?

Thanks!
jlc

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RE: OT Intrusion Protection systems

[Erik Goldoff]

not sure of the site size or budget, but I've had good experiences with
TopLayer's IPS devices

   _  

From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT Intrusion Protection systems



I have a site that is looking to replace their Forescout “Active Scout” IPS
system. I have no idea what’s out there. I know Cisco has a couple of things
including a card for their ASA box. Anyone with recommendations for these or
are IPS systems even relevant anymore?

TIA

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RE: Old Hardware

[Kim Longenbaugh]

You're right, it was not a serious suggestion.

I would definitely not want to add ammunition (LOL) to the folks that
would like to take our guns away, since the idea of only criminals and
government agencies having firearms, so I withdraw the suggestion.

I do live in an un-incorporated county area, though...are you anywhere
near Fort Worth, TX?  LOL

 



From: Steve Kelsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

 

I know this was tongue in cheek, but shooting ranges are strictly
environmentally supervised by several state and federal agencies, have
to have on file a lead ( and other heavy metals) removal and recovery
plan, and they are checked on it constantly.  It is not an inexpensive
concept. So don't take it to the local range, take in out in your
backyard and shoot it there! I can supply the firearms, ammunition, and
training if you need it! You supply the beer (for after the shoot, of
course!)

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 16:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

 

Take the monitors to a shooting range.  The shooters like popping those
CRTs!  We're already talking about lead pollution out the wazoo, so
what's a little bit of rare earths, mecury, etc added to it?

 



From: wjh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Old Hardware

 

We scavenge for anything we might find useful, then recycle the rest.
We found a recycler that is free for everything but CRTs.  Seven bucks a
pop for those.

Bill

Ben Scott wrote: 

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Matthew W. Ross
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   wrote:
  

 So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated
equipment?


 
  A few I keep around to get used for odd-ball jobs, like running a
web browser for a single web site needed for a certain employee
process.  (Like a kiosk.)  Some I load Linux on and turn them into
thin clients.  Some get stripped for parts.  Some get given to
employees.  Anything leftover goes to a local reclamation shop.  The
shop we use takes some stuff for free, depending on what it is and
market conditions.
 
-- Ben
 
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Re: carbonite

[Lee Douglas]

I was part of the beta test for Mozy and have been quite pleased with it.
Their encryption may be a bit heavy duty for some, but they get it done.




On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Roger Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Are you looking at backing up a server or a desktop machine?
>
> I compared Carbonite and Mozy a few months ago, and opted to go with Mozy
> for my personal home system backup.  I liked the features of Mozy a little
> more than Carbonite at that time.  Test restores were reasonably fast and
> easy to do.  My backup set is about 13 GB now.
>
> I did not try either company's "PRO" backup systems, but I'm sure you'd
> need that to backup a server.
>
>
> Roger Wright
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Miguel Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:07 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: carbonite
>
> Anyone uses carbonite to back up critical data? Any
> feedback?
>
> I'm thinking of making an offsite backup of the most
> critical data
>
> Miguel
>
>
>  __
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>
>
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Re: WebEx alternatives

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

What kind of Outlook "integration" are you looking for?

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Andy Shook
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> One thing that I I'm hearing internally is that the sales/marketing types
> want Live Meeting mainly b/c of the integration with Outlook.  However, for
> those of you who are M$ partners, can you use live meeting for free?  I'm
> researching this, since we be a partner but I don't have an answer…yet.
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the feedback thus far.
>
>
>
>
>
> Shook
>
>  
>
>
> From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:57 PM
>
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives
>
>
>
>
>
> We've used Yugma for online demos and collaborative meetings.  It used to be
> free, but is now affordably priced.
>
>
>
> http://www.yugma.com/forbusiness/business.php
>
>
>
> Roger Wright
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:21 PM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: WebEx alternatives
>
>
>
> List,
>
> Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of WebEx.
> I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All I'm looking
> to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with the occasional
> remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our firm and I
> apprecialove any comments.
>
>
>
>
> Shook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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RE: carbonite

[Roger Wright]

Are you looking at backing up a server or a desktop machine?

I compared Carbonite and Mozy a few months ago, and opted to go with Mozy for 
my personal home system backup.  I liked the features of Mozy a little more 
than Carbonite at that time.  Test restores were reasonably fast and easy to 
do.  My backup set is about 13 GB now.

I did not try either company's "PRO" backup systems, but I'm sure you'd need 
that to backup a server.


Roger Wright



-Original Message-
From: Miguel Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: carbonite

Anyone uses carbonite to back up critical data? Any
feedback? 

I'm thinking of making an offsite backup of the most
critical data

Miguel


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RE: WebEx alternatives

[Andy Shook]

One thing that I I'm hearing internally is that the sales/marketing
types want Live Meeting mainly b/c of the integration with Outlook.
However, for those of you who are M$ partners, can you use live meeting
for free?  I'm researching this, since we be a partner but I don't have
an answer...yet.

 

Thanks for all the feedback thus far. 

 

Shook



From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives

 

We've used Yugma for online demos and collaborative meetings.  It used
to be free, but is now affordably priced.

 

http://www.yugma.com/forbusiness/business.php

 

Roger Wright

 

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WebEx alternatives

 

List,

Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of
WebEx.  I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All
I'm looking to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with
the occasional remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our
firm and I apprecialove any comments.  

 

Shook

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: Old Hardware

[Steve Kelsay]

I know this was tongue in cheek, but shooting ranges are strictly
environmentally supervised by several state and federal agencies, have
to have on file a lead ( and other heavy metals) removal and recovery
plan, and they are checked on it constantly.  It is not an inexpensive
concept. So don't take it to the local range, take in out in your
backyard and shoot it there! I can supply the firearms, ammunition, and
training if you need it! You supply the beer (for after the shoot, of
course!)

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 16:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

 

Take the monitors to a shooting range.  The shooters like popping those
CRTs!  We're already talking about lead pollution out the wazoo, so
what's a little bit of rare earths, mecury, etc added to it?

 



From: wjh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Old Hardware

 

We scavenge for anything we might find useful, then recycle the rest.
We found a recycler that is free for everything but CRTs.  Seven bucks a
pop for those.

Bill

Ben Scott wrote: 

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Matthew W. Ross
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   wrote:
  

 So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated
equipment?


 
  A few I keep around to get used for odd-ball jobs, like running a
web browser for a single web site needed for a certain employee
process.  (Like a kiosk.)  Some I load Linux on and turn them into
thin clients.  Some get stripped for parts.  Some get given to
employees.  Anything leftover goes to a local reclamation shop.  The
shop we use takes some stuff for free, depending on what it is and
market conditions.
 
-- Ben
 
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RE: Entirely weird explorer behavior

[Sam Cayze]

Very weird :)  Sounds like a great hoax to play on someone! 

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Entirely weird explorer behavior

Yeah, I goofed.

ALZIP is the culprit.

Still weird.

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Sam Cayze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Check your Google syntax!
>
>  I didn't believe it, so I checked Google.
>
>  I used: 'bird new folder' (no quotes) and got tons of results...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:23 PM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: Entirely weird explorer behavior
>
>  One of my desktop support people has run across something I have
>  *never* seen before, and I can't find anything about it on google.
>
>  We have a machine that, when he right-mouse-clicks in the right-hand

> pane of Explorer to create a new folder, the new folder will be  
> populated with the name of a bird, instead of New Folder. The name of

> the bird is different every time - warbler, oriole, eagle, robin,  
> whatever. Strangest computer thing I've seen in a long time.
>
>  Anyone seen this before, and know what it is?
>
>  Kurt
>
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RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone south

[Ziots, Edward]

Forward it to SANS if you please, so as to get the word out. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: David L Herrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

Alex,

Thanks for the confirmation

David

-Original Message-
From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

The site has been compromised and is serving malware.  You need to shut
this down asap. 

To list:  Please don't visit this site, unless in a vmware. 

Alex



-Original Message-
From: David L Herrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

www.mgilists.com

select current button - at your own risk

Symantec reports

Discovered: June 8, 2001
Updated: February 13, 2007 11:50:11 AM
Type: Trojan Horse
Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me,
Windows NT, Windows XP



Downloader connects to the Internet and downloads other Trojan horses or
components.

Note: Virus definitions dated June 1, 2006 or earlier may detect this
threat as Download.Trojan. 
ProtectionInitial Rapid Release version June 11, 2001 Latest Rapid
Release version May 13, 2008 revision 008 Initial Daily Certified
version June 11, 2001 revision 007 Latest Daily Certified version May
13, 2008 revision 004 Initial Weekly Certified release date June 13,
2001 Click here for a more detailed description of Rapid Release and
Daily Certified virus definitions.

Threat AssessmentWildWild Level: Low
Number of Infections: 0 - 49
Number of Sites: 0 - 2
Geographical Distribution: Low
Threat Containment: Easy
Removal: Easy
DamageDamage Level: Low
DistributionDistribution Level: Low 

Writeup By: Gor Nazaryan

thanks

David



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RE: Old Hardware

[Kim Longenbaugh]

Take the monitors to a shooting range.  The shooters like popping those
CRTs!  We're already talking about lead pollution out the wazoo, so
what's a little bit of rare earths, mecury, etc added to it?

 



From: wjh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Old Hardware

 

We scavenge for anything we might find useful, then recycle the rest.
We found a recycler that is free for everything but CRTs.  Seven bucks a
pop for those.

Bill

Ben Scott wrote: 

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Matthew W. Ross
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   wrote:
  

 So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated
equipment?


 
  A few I keep around to get used for odd-ball jobs, like running a
web browser for a single web site needed for a certain employee
process.  (Like a kiosk.)  Some I load Linux on and turn them into
thin clients.  Some get stripped for parts.  Some get given to
employees.  Anything leftover goes to a local reclamation shop.  The
shop we use takes some stuff for free, depending on what it is and
market conditions.
 
-- Ben
 
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RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone south

[Ziots, Edward]

I hope they aint restoring from a hacked backup, 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: David L Herrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

It may be over the site owners just called me saying they had been
hacked and have totally reloaded their website. 

I did not get details darn it. Hopefully they rebuilt from scratch



David

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

Got details?  Other than some broken SQL queries I haven't seen
anything bad - yet...

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Alex Eckelberry
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The site has been compromised and is serving malware.  You need to
shut
>  this down asap.
>
>  To list:  Please don't visit this site, unless in a vmware.
>
>  Alex
>
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: David L Herrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:14 PM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
>  south
>
>
>
> www.mgilists.com
>
>  select current button - at your own risk
>
>  Symantec reports
>
>  Discovered: June 8, 2001
>  Updated: February 13, 2007 11:50:11 AM
>  Type: Trojan Horse
>  Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me,
>  Windows NT, Windows XP
>
>
>
>  Downloader connects to the Internet and downloads other Trojan horses
or
>  components.
>
>  Note: Virus definitions dated June 1, 2006 or earlier may detect this
>  threat as Download.Trojan.
>  ProtectionInitial Rapid Release version June 11, 2001 Latest Rapid
>  Release version May 13, 2008 revision 008 Initial Daily Certified
>  version June 11, 2001 revision 007 Latest Daily Certified version May
>  13, 2008 revision 004 Initial Weekly Certified release date June 13,
>  2001 Click here for a more detailed description of Rapid Release and
>  Daily Certified virus definitions.
>
>  Threat AssessmentWildWild Level: Low
>  Number of Infections: 0 - 49
>  Number of Sites: 0 - 2
>  Geographical Distribution: Low
>  Threat Containment: Easy
>  Removal: Easy
>  DamageDamage Level: Low
>  DistributionDistribution Level: Low
>
>  Writeup By: Gor Nazaryan
>
>  thanks
>
>  David
>
>
>
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Re: Entirely weird explorer behavior

[Kurt Buff]

Yeah, I goofed.

ALZIP is the culprit.

Still weird.

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Sam Cayze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Check your Google syntax!
>
>  I didn't believe it, so I checked Google.
>
>  I used: 'bird new folder' (no quotes) and got tons of results...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:23 PM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: Entirely weird explorer behavior
>
>  One of my desktop support people has run across something I have
>  *never* seen before, and I can't find anything about it on google.
>
>  We have a machine that, when he right-mouse-clicks in the right-hand
>  pane of Explorer to create a new folder, the new folder will be
>  populated with the name of a bird, instead of New Folder. The name of
>  the bird is different every time - warbler, oriole, eagle, robin,
>  whatever. Strangest computer thing I've seen in a long time.
>
>  Anyone seen this before, and know what it is?
>
>  Kurt
>
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RE: WebEx alternatives

[Roger Wright]

We've used Yugma for online demos and collaborative meetings.  It used
to be free, but is now affordably priced.

 

http://www.yugma.com/forbusiness/business.php

 

Roger Wright

 

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WebEx alternatives

 

List,

Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of
WebEx.  I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All
I'm looking to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with
the occasional remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our
firm and I apprecialove any comments.  

 

Shook

 

 

 

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Re: Entirely weird explorer behavior

[Sherry Abercrombie]

LOL, now that's funny.

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Sam Cayze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Check your Google syntax!
>
> I didn't believe it, so I checked Google.
>
> I used: 'bird new folder' (no quotes) and got tons of results...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Entirely weird explorer behavior
>
> One of my desktop support people has run across something I have
> *never* seen before, and I can't find anything about it on google.
>
> We have a machine that, when he right-mouse-clicks in the right-hand
> pane of Explorer to create a new folder, the new folder will be
> populated with the name of a bird, instead of New Folder. The name of
> the bird is different every time - warbler, oriole, eagle, robin,
> whatever. Strangest computer thing I've seen in a long time.
>
> Anyone seen this before, and know what it is?
>
> Kurt
>
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RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[David L Herrick]

Please ignore if I previously posted this update as I don't see it and that's 
the way the day is going

Have now updated two AMD boxes and one Windows Media box with no issues - 
caveat non had OEM installed OS


David

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

You should create this on your own to be certain you have these very
important settings configured properly.

Modify the registry on a test system.  Verify that it is working
appropriately by testing WU/AU on it.  If you are successful in
blocking the update, export the registry settings to a .REG file and
use the REG2ADM.EXE utility to convert the settings into a .ADM
administrative template file.


On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Miguel Gonzalez
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for your answer. Is there any adm template that
>  I can use for not creating this from scratch?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>
>
>  Miguel
>
>
>  --- Micheal Espinola Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  escribió:
>
>  > you certainly will need administrative privs to
>  > modify this setting.
>  > it is the same setting that the tool that Sam
>  > referenced modifies.
>  >
>  > On 5/12/08, Miguel Gonzalez
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > Do I need admin permissions to add this registry
>  > entry
>  > > when run from the logon script or any user could
>  > add
>  > > it?
>  > >
>  > > Miguel
>  > >
>  > > --- Micheal Espinola Jr
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > > escribió:
>  > >
>  > > > Yes, via a registry hack:
>  > > >
>  > > > Registry location:
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > >
>  >
>  HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
>  > > >
>  > > > Key DWORD value name:
>  > > >
>  > > >   DoNotAllowSP
>  > > >
>  > > > Values:
>  > > >
>  > > >   1 = WU/MU/AU delivery is disabled
>  > > >   anything else =  delivery is enabled
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Miguel Gonzalez
>  > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > > > Is there any way to control in the GPO that
>  > > > service
>  > > > >  packs are not downloaded automatically in the
>  > > > domain
>  > > > >  machines?
>  > > > >
>  > > > >  I want to have the flexibility that minor
>  > updates
>  > > > are
>  > > > >  installed but not service packs
>  > > > >
>  > > > >  Is that possible?
>  > > > >
>  > > > >  Miguel
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >  --- David L Herrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > > > >  escribió:
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >  > Clean on the first dozen machines
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > David
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>
> > > > >  > From: Joe Heaton
>  > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > > >  > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:18 AM
>
> > > > >
>  > > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues
>  > > > >
>  > > > > > Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming
>  > through
>  > > > WSUS?
>  > > > >  >  I have it listed
>  > > > >  > there now, but the approval is Detect Only
>  > at
>  > > > the
>  > > > >  > moment.  Would like to
>  > > > >  > know how that avenue went/is going for some
>  > > > others
>  > > > >  > before I approve the
>  > > > >  > update.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Thanks,
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Joe Heaton
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>
> > > > >  > 
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > From: David W. McSpadden
>  > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > > >  > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
>
> > > > >
>  > > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>
>
> > > > > > Subject: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Had a couple family members call last night
>  > > > about
>  > > > >  > SP3 killing their
>  > > > >  > machines.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > They use Windows Updates nightly and when
>  > they
>  > > > >  > rebooted their machine it
>  > > > >  > wouldn't come up.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > After many SafeMode boots I called
>  > TechSupport
>  > > > and
>  > > > >  > they told me there is
>  > > > >  > an issue with the WindowsUpdate
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > version of SP3 and to have it blocked from
>  > > > being
>  > > > >  > downloaded on any other
>  > > > >  > machine until it is resolved.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > They seemed to know all about it because
>  > they
>  > > > >  > stepped me through the
>  > > > >  > correct SafeMode fix for it.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Didn't know what anybody else knew.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Good night.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >

RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone south

[David L Herrick]

It may be over the site owners just called me saying they had been
hacked and have totally reloaded their website. 

I did not get details darn it. Hopefully they rebuilt from scratch



David

-Original Message-
From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

Got details?  Other than some broken SQL queries I haven't seen
anything bad - yet...

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Alex Eckelberry
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The site has been compromised and is serving malware.  You need to
shut
>  this down asap.
>
>  To list:  Please don't visit this site, unless in a vmware.
>
>  Alex
>
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: David L Herrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:14 PM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
>  south
>
>
>
> www.mgilists.com
>
>  select current button - at your own risk
>
>  Symantec reports
>
>  Discovered: June 8, 2001
>  Updated: February 13, 2007 11:50:11 AM
>  Type: Trojan Horse
>  Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me,
>  Windows NT, Windows XP
>
>
>
>  Downloader connects to the Internet and downloads other Trojan horses
or
>  components.
>
>  Note: Virus definitions dated June 1, 2006 or earlier may detect this
>  threat as Download.Trojan.
>  ProtectionInitial Rapid Release version June 11, 2001 Latest Rapid
>  Release version May 13, 2008 revision 008 Initial Daily Certified
>  version June 11, 2001 revision 007 Latest Daily Certified version May
>  13, 2008 revision 004 Initial Weekly Certified release date June 13,
>  2001 Click here for a more detailed description of Rapid Release and
>  Daily Certified virus definitions.
>
>  Threat AssessmentWildWild Level: Low
>  Number of Infections: 0 - 49
>  Number of Sites: 0 - 2
>  Geographical Distribution: Low
>  Threat Containment: Easy
>  Removal: Easy
>  DamageDamage Level: Low
>  DistributionDistribution Level: Low
>
>  Writeup By: Gor Nazaryan
>
>  thanks
>
>  David
>
>
>
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solely
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RE: Entirely weird explorer behavior

[Sam Cayze]

Check your Google syntax!

I didn't believe it, so I checked Google.

I used: 'bird new folder' (no quotes) and got tons of results...






-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Entirely weird explorer behavior

One of my desktop support people has run across something I have
*never* seen before, and I can't find anything about it on google.

We have a machine that, when he right-mouse-clicks in the right-hand
pane of Explorer to create a new folder, the new folder will be
populated with the name of a bird, instead of New Folder. The name of
the bird is different every time - warbler, oriole, eagle, robin,
whatever. Strangest computer thing I've seen in a long time.

Anyone seen this before, and know what it is?

Kurt

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RE: WebEx alternatives

[Edwards, David]

You can also check out www.webduddle.com  .
The even let you download and setup your own hosting server if you want.
Not as pretty as the others but functional. 

 

Regards, 

Dave



From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WebEx alternatives

 

List,

Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of
WebEx.  I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All
I'm looking to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with
the occasional remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our
firm and I apprecialove any comments.  

 

Shook

 

 

 

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Entirely weird explorer behavior

[Kurt Buff]

One of my desktop support people has run across something I have
*never* seen before, and I can't find anything about it on google.

We have a machine that, when he right-mouse-clicks in the right-hand
pane of Explorer to create a new folder, the new folder will be
populated with the name of a bird, instead of New Folder. The name of
the bird is different every time - warbler, oriole, eagle, robin,
whatever. Strangest computer thing I've seen in a long time.

Anyone seen this before, and know what it is?

Kurt

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Re: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone south

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Got details?  Other than some broken SQL queries I haven't seen
anything bad - yet...

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Alex Eckelberry
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The site has been compromised and is serving malware.  You need to shut
>  this down asap.
>
>  To list:  Please don't visit this site, unless in a vmware.
>
>  Alex
>
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: David L Herrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:14 PM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
>  south
>
>
>
> www.mgilists.com
>
>  select current button - at your own risk
>
>  Symantec reports
>
>  Discovered: June 8, 2001
>  Updated: February 13, 2007 11:50:11 AM
>  Type: Trojan Horse
>  Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me,
>  Windows NT, Windows XP
>
>
>
>  Downloader connects to the Internet and downloads other Trojan horses or
>  components.
>
>  Note: Virus definitions dated June 1, 2006 or earlier may detect this
>  threat as Download.Trojan.
>  ProtectionInitial Rapid Release version June 11, 2001 Latest Rapid
>  Release version May 13, 2008 revision 008 Initial Daily Certified
>  version June 11, 2001 revision 007 Latest Daily Certified version May
>  13, 2008 revision 004 Initial Weekly Certified release date June 13,
>  2001 Click here for a more detailed description of Rapid Release and
>  Daily Certified virus definitions.
>
>  Threat AssessmentWildWild Level: Low
>  Number of Infections: 0 - 49
>  Number of Sites: 0 - 2
>  Geographical Distribution: Low
>  Threat Containment: Easy
>  Removal: Easy
>  DamageDamage Level: Low
>  DistributionDistribution Level: Low
>
>  Writeup By: Gor Nazaryan
>
>  thanks
>
>  David
>
>
>
>  This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely
>  for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you
>  should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or
>  opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not
>  represent those of the Names in the News company. Warning: Although
>  precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this
>  email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage
>  that arise from the use of this email or attachments.
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Re: Why XP is doomed

[Michael . Leone]

Phillip Partipilo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/13/2008 02:18:31 PM:

> Right, some apps may be compiled in such a fashion where they can 
> utilize a 3gb application address space if a 32-bit os is booted with 
> the /3gb switch, but of course they need to be specially compiled to do 
> so, otherwise 2gb is all you can get in application space. 64-bit is 
> really a nice change. Is PS available in a 64-bit version yet?

Not yet. Next version (CS4) is supposed to be 64 bit, on Windows first, 
then Mac.

> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > "John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 
> > 05/12/2008 08:29:20 PM:
> >
> > > My Pentium D is only 2.8 GHz, so you?ve got me beat there. I?ve also
> > > got just 2 GB of RAM. I use Photoshop, but not working with huge
> > > images and no video editing. I don?t think you can do 4 GB without
> > > going 64-bit, right?
> >
> > You can install 4G, but XP won't see more than ... 3.2G? ... of it. 
> > Even on 64 bit XP/Vista, Photoshop CS3 won't use more than 4G for 
> > images, and 2G for cache.

-- 
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Network Administrator, ISM
Philadelphia Housing Authority
2500 Jackson St
Philadelphia, PA 19145
Tel:  215-684-4180
Cell: 215-252-0143


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Re: Me so stupid..

[Michael . Leone]

"David Lum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/13/2008 12:51:46 PM:

> I'm reading up on virtualizing domain controllers and found this:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888794
> 
> It says, in part:
> "We recommend that you locate critical server roles on domain
> controllers that are installed directly on physical hardware. Critical
> server roles include the following: 
> * Global catalog servers 
> * Domain Name System (DNS) servers 
> * Operations master roles, also known as flexible single master
> operations (FSMO)"

Yeah, yeah. :-) I used to have a DC with no FSMO roles as a VMware image. 
We wanted it for D/R. We testing bringing the image back up, and 
forecfully seized all roles. And it worked for us ...

We kept the "real" DCs on physical hardware.

> 
> How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
> associated with it?
> 
> Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
> "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: WebEx alternatives

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Genesys here too.  Ditto.

Although annoyed with the Outlook toolbar.  The current version has
corrected the issue, but upgrading is not as easy as it should be.


On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Sam Cayze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Genesys here.  It's been good for us.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:21 PM
>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: WebEx alternatives
>
>
>
>
> List,
>
> Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of WebEx.
> I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All I'm looking
> to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with the occasional
> remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our firm and I
> apprecialove any comments.
>
>
>
>
> Shook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

You should create this on your own to be certain you have these very
important settings configured properly.

Modify the registry on a test system.  Verify that it is working
appropriately by testing WU/AU on it.  If you are successful in
blocking the update, export the registry settings to a .REG file and
use the REG2ADM.EXE utility to convert the settings into a .ADM
administrative template file.


On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Miguel Gonzalez
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for your answer. Is there any adm template that
>  I can use for not creating this from scratch?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>
>
>  Miguel
>
>
>  --- Micheal Espinola Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  escribió:
>
>  > you certainly will need administrative privs to
>  > modify this setting.
>  > it is the same setting that the tool that Sam
>  > referenced modifies.
>  >
>  > On 5/12/08, Miguel Gonzalez
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > Do I need admin permissions to add this registry
>  > entry
>  > > when run from the logon script or any user could
>  > add
>  > > it?
>  > >
>  > > Miguel
>  > >
>  > > --- Micheal Espinola Jr
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > > escribió:
>  > >
>  > > > Yes, via a registry hack:
>  > > >
>  > > > Registry location:
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > >
>  >
>  HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
>  > > >
>  > > > Key DWORD value name:
>  > > >
>  > > >   DoNotAllowSP
>  > > >
>  > > > Values:
>  > > >
>  > > >   1 = WU/MU/AU delivery is disabled
>  > > >   anything else =  delivery is enabled
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Miguel Gonzalez
>  > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > > > Is there any way to control in the GPO that
>  > > > service
>  > > > >  packs are not downloaded automatically in the
>  > > > domain
>  > > > >  machines?
>  > > > >
>  > > > >  I want to have the flexibility that minor
>  > updates
>  > > > are
>  > > > >  installed but not service packs
>  > > > >
>  > > > >  Is that possible?
>  > > > >
>  > > > >  Miguel
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >  --- David L Herrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > > > >  escribió:
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >  > Clean on the first dozen machines
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > David
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>
> > > > >  > From: Joe Heaton
>  > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > > >  > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:18 AM
>
> > > > >
>  > > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues
>  > > > >
>  > > > > > Subject: RE: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Has anyone seen issues with SP3 coming
>  > through
>  > > > WSUS?
>  > > > >  >  I have it listed
>  > > > >  > there now, but the approval is Detect Only
>  > at
>  > > > the
>  > > > >  > moment.  Would like to
>  > > > >  > know how that avenue went/is going for some
>  > > > others
>  > > > >  > before I approve the
>  > > > >  > update.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Thanks,
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Joe Heaton
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>
> > > > >  > 
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > From: David W. McSpadden
>  > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > > >  > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:14 AM
>
> > > > >
>  > > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>
>
> > > > > > Subject: WinXpSP3 from Windows Updates
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Had a couple family members call last night
>  > > > about
>  > > > >  > SP3 killing their
>  > > > >  > machines.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > They use Windows Updates nightly and when
>  > they
>  > > > >  > rebooted their machine it
>  > > > >  > wouldn't come up.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > After many SafeMode boots I called
>  > TechSupport
>  > > > and
>  > > > >  > they told me there is
>  > > > >  > an issue with the WindowsUpdate
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > version of SP3 and to have it blocked from
>  > > > being
>  > > > >  > downloaded on any other
>  > > > >  > machine until it is resolved.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > They seemed to know all about it because
>  > they
>  > > > >  > stepped me through the
>  > > > >  > correct SafeMode fix for it.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Didn't know what anybody else knew.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Good night.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > IT works,
>  > > > >  > but keeping IT working is the hard part.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  > Automation is great,
>  > > > >  > until it breaks.
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > > >  >
>  > > >

RE: WebEx alternatives

[Andy Shook]

www.tinymanparts.com   screams out
TVK...so there.  No I did not try the url...

 

Shook



From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives

 

That site name just screams out SHOOK!!!

 

 

From: Cliff Partlow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives

 

Andy,

 

I have used this without problems: http://www.dimdim.com/

 

"From The Sunny Side Of The Street !"

 

Cliff P.

 



 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WebEx alternatives

 

List,

Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of
WebEx.  I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All
I'm looking to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with
the occasional remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our
firm and I apprecialove any comments.  

 

Shook

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone south

[David L Herrick]

Alex,

Thanks for the confirmation

David

-Original Message-
From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

The site has been compromised and is serving malware.  You need to shut
this down asap. 

To list:  Please don't visit this site, unless in a vmware. 

Alex



-Original Message-
From: David L Herrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

www.mgilists.com

select current button - at your own risk

Symantec reports

Discovered: June 8, 2001
Updated: February 13, 2007 11:50:11 AM
Type: Trojan Horse
Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me,
Windows NT, Windows XP



Downloader connects to the Internet and downloads other Trojan horses or
components.

Note: Virus definitions dated June 1, 2006 or earlier may detect this
threat as Download.Trojan. 
ProtectionInitial Rapid Release version June 11, 2001 Latest Rapid
Release version May 13, 2008 revision 008 Initial Daily Certified
version June 11, 2001 revision 007 Latest Daily Certified version May
13, 2008 revision 004 Initial Weekly Certified release date June 13,
2001 Click here for a more detailed description of Rapid Release and
Daily Certified virus definitions.

Threat AssessmentWildWild Level: Low
Number of Infections: 0 - 49
Number of Sites: 0 - 2
Geographical Distribution: Low
Threat Containment: Easy
Removal: Easy
DamageDamage Level: Low
DistributionDistribution Level: Low 

Writeup By: Gor Nazaryan

thanks

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Re: Visio Side by Side Install

[Joe Fox]

Thanks for all the replies.  I found out if you already have 2007 installed,
you can just install 2003.  No complaints from either and MBSA 2.1 and the
Visio plugin-in 3.0 work great!.

Joe

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Bryan Garmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  Yes – use a software virtualization app like Altiris Software
> Virtualization.  http://juice.altiris.com/node/86
>
>
>
> *From:* Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:12 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Visio Side by Side Install
>
>
>
> I was wondering if there was a way to do a side by side install of Visio
> 2003 with Visio 2007.
>
>
>
> I have some Visio 2003 diagrams of my datacenter that have been modified
> by the MBSA 2.0 Visio plug-in and the 2.1 version under 2007 breaks the
> diagrams, so I would like to keep the 2.0 version.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Joe Fox
> Systems/Network Administrator
>
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RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone south

[Alex Eckelberry]

The site has been compromised and is serving malware.  You need to shut
this down asap. 

To list:  Please don't visit this site, unless in a vmware. 

Alex



-Original Message-
From: David L Herrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

www.mgilists.com

select current button - at your own risk

Symantec reports

Discovered: June 8, 2001
Updated: February 13, 2007 11:50:11 AM
Type: Trojan Horse
Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me,
Windows NT, Windows XP



Downloader connects to the Internet and downloads other Trojan horses or
components.

Note: Virus definitions dated June 1, 2006 or earlier may detect this
threat as Download.Trojan. 
ProtectionInitial Rapid Release version June 11, 2001 Latest Rapid
Release version May 13, 2008 revision 008 Initial Daily Certified
version June 11, 2001 revision 007 Latest Daily Certified version May
13, 2008 revision 004 Initial Weekly Certified release date June 13,
2001 Click here for a more detailed description of Rapid Release and
Daily Certified virus definitions.

Threat AssessmentWildWild Level: Low
Number of Infections: 0 - 49
Number of Sites: 0 - 2
Geographical Distribution: Low
Threat Containment: Easy
Removal: Easy
DamageDamage Level: Low
DistributionDistribution Level: Low 

Writeup By: Gor Nazaryan

thanks

David



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Re: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone south

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

ESET NOD32 3.0.621 has no complaints.

Symantec SEP11 MR2 has no complaints.


On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM, David L Herrick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> www.mgilists.com
>
>  select current button - at your own risk
>
>  Symantec reports
>
>  Discovered: June 8, 2001
>  Updated: February 13, 2007 11:50:11 AM
>  Type: Trojan Horse
>  Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me,
>  Windows NT, Windows XP
>
>
>
>  Downloader connects to the Internet and downloads other Trojan horses or
>  components.
>
>  Note: Virus definitions dated June 1, 2006 or earlier may detect this
>  threat as Download.Trojan.
>  ProtectionInitial Rapid Release version June 11, 2001
>  Latest Rapid Release version May 13, 2008 revision 008
>  Initial Daily Certified version June 11, 2001 revision 007
>  Latest Daily Certified version May 13, 2008 revision 004
>  Initial Weekly Certified release date June 13, 2001
>  Click here for a more detailed description of Rapid Release and Daily
>  Certified virus definitions.
>
>  Threat AssessmentWildWild Level: Low
>  Number of Infections: 0 - 49
>  Number of Sites: 0 - 2
>  Geographical Distribution: Low
>  Threat Containment: Easy
>  Removal: Easy
>  DamageDamage Level: Low
>  DistributionDistribution Level: Low
>
>  Writeup By: Gor Nazaryan
>
>  thanks
>
>  David
>
>
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RE: WebEx alternatives

[Tim Vander Kooi]

That site name just screams out SHOOK!!!


From: Cliff Partlow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: WebEx alternatives

Andy,

I have used this without problems: http://www.dimdim.com/

"From The Sunny Side Of The Street !"

Cliff P.

[cid:image001.jpg@01C8B4FE.1AFF7020] [cid:image002.png@01C8B4FE.1AFF7020]

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WebEx alternatives

List,
Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of WebEx.  I 
like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All I'm looking to do 
with it are sales presentations and demo's along with the occasional remote 
support.  I'm still assessing needs within our firm and I apprecialove any 
comments.

Shook








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RE: Old Hardware

[Tom Strader]

EZ,

TVK has NOTHING BIG that would surprise anyone.
DOH!!



-Original Message-
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

Yeah yeah after you leave a big surprise in it I am sure. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

I put my old equipment on my neighbor's porch, ring the doorbell and
run.


-Original Message-
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

Is there a Goodwill place nearby?  They take old computers.  I would
imagine
they recycle whatever isn't useful to somebody.

Carl

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Old Hardware

Let's get off of this Vista bashing... Not that I don't like taking a
few
wacks at Vista... but beating a dead horse won't make it run faster.

So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated
equipment?

When that Pentium II 266 just doesn't run the software like you need it
too
anymore, What are your options?

Since we're a school, our policy is decided by committee... Which means
we
recycle. And pay by the pound for it.

--Matt Ross



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Re: WebEx alternatives

[Sherry Abercrombie]

Someone on this list recommended Yugma a while back when I asked this
question.   So to whomever that was, thanks, we love it, our manager loves
it, so that makes us happy.  It's working well for us.

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Andy Shook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  List,
>
> Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of
> WebEx.  I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All I'm
> looking to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with the
> occasional remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our firm and I
> apprecialove any comments.
>
>
>
> Shook
>
>
>
>


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RE: WebEx alternatives

[Cliff Partlow]

Andy,

 

I have used this without problems: http://www.dimdim.com/

 

"From The Sunny Side Of The Street !"

 

Cliff P.

 

cliffp11 mcse1 

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WebEx alternatives

 

List,

Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of WebEx.
I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All I'm looking
to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with the occasional
remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our firm and I
apprecialove any comments.  

 

Shook

 

 

 

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RE: Associate an external account in Exchange 2k3

[Michael B. Smith]

You can do it with the gui. You just need to check the box for "associated
external account".

 

Please ask these questions on the Exchange list.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Associate an external account in Exchange 2k3

 


 

As per MS KB 27 I understand that I must disable the current one but is
not clear if  assigning permissions  is doable from the GUI (mailbox rights)
or I must go to command line or programming ! I simply have to associate the
mailbox to another user in  a trusted domain

TIA 

 

GuidoElia 
HELPPC 

 

 

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RE: WebEx alternatives

[Sam Cayze]

Genesys here.  It's been good for us.

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: WebEx alternatives

 

List,

Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of
WebEx.  I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All
I'm looking to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with
the occasional remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our
firm and I apprecialove any comments.  

 

Shook

 

 

 

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WebEx alternatives

[Andy Shook]

List,

Just wanted to solicit feedback on what everyone is using instead of
WebEx.  I like WebEx's functionality, I just don't like the price.  All
I'm looking to do with it are sales presentations and demo's along with
the occasional remote support.  I'm still assessing needs within our
firm and I apprecialove any comments.  

 

Shook

 


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Re: Why XP is doomed

[Phillip Partipilo]

Right, some apps may be compiled in such a fashion where they can 
utilize a 3gb application address space if a 32-bit os is booted with 
the /3gb switch, but of course they need to be specially compiled to do 
so, otherwise 2gb is all you can get in application space. 64-bit is 
really a nice change. Is PS available in a 64-bit version yet?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


"John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 
05/12/2008 08:29:20 PM:


> My Pentium D is only 2.8 GHz, so you’ve got me beat there. I’ve also
> got just 2 GB of RAM. I use Photoshop, but not working with huge
> images and no video editing. I don’t think you can do 4 GB without
> going 64-bit, right?

You can install 4G, but XP won't see more than ... 3.2G? ... of it. 
Even on 64 bit XP/Vista, Photoshop CS3 won't use more than 4G for 
images, and 2G for cache.


> My system rates 4.7 on the Windows Experience Index, with the lowest
> subscore being on the processor.

Haven't bothered running the Experience yet ...

>
>
> John
>
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
>
>
> Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped
> the RAM to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC
> for photoediting (Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my
> case is converting PAL to NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files,
> using Nero 7).
>
> Feel free to reply offlist 
>

>
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>
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carbonite

[Miguel Gonzalez]

Anyone uses carbonite to back up critical data? Any
feedback? 

I'm thinking of making an offsite backup of the most
critical data

Miguel


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RE: Why XP is doomed

[Michael . Leone]

"John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/12/2008 
08:29:20 PM:

> My Pentium D is only 2.8 GHz, so you?ve got me beat there. I?ve also
> got just 2 GB of RAM. I use Photoshop, but not working with huge 
> images and no video editing. I don?t think you can do 4 GB without 
> going 64-bit, right?

You can install 4G, but XP won't see more than ... 3.2G? ... of it. Even 
on 64 bit XP/Vista, Photoshop CS3 won't use more than 4G for images, and 
2G for cache.

> My system rates 4.7 on the Windows Experience Index, with the lowest
> subscore being on the processor.

Haven't bothered running the Experience yet ...

> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
> 
> 
> Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped 
> the RAM to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC 
> for photoediting (Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my 
> case is converting PAL to NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files, 
> using Nero 7). 
> 
> Feel free to reply offlist  
> 

> 
> 

> 
> 

> 

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Re: Why XP is doomed

[Michael . Leone]

"Graeme Carstairs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/12/2008 04:28:33 PM:

> I have 2.2 GHZ Centrino Duo laptop with 2GB of RAM and Vista works 
> as fast as my previous XP Machine which was a 1.8GHX Centrino Duo and 
2GB RAM.
> 
> So your Pentium D 3 Ghz should be fine and dandy with or without the 4gb
> obviously 4gb would be better but then that goes for xp too.

Good to know, thanks!

> 
> Graeme
> 

> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> "John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 
> 05/12/2008 03:53:29 PM:
> 
> 
> > Well, it's moot that a crappy system being sold by a vendor is good 
> > enough to run XP. It's also good enough to run Windows for 
> > Workgroups and DOS?but that's not the point.
> 
> > 
> > Yes, Vista has higher hardware requirements. Just like XP has higher
> > requirements than Win9x had, and just like Win9x had higher 
> > requirements than Win3x had. Every OS that comes out is likely to 
> > have higher requirements than the OS before it. 
> > 
> > But honestly, Vista's hardware requirements aren't crazy high. As I 
> > mentioned before, I'm running it at home on a Pentium D processor?
> > which is a very modest CPU by today's standards. Vista works just 
> > fine with it. The biggest issue with the hardware vendors, as seen 
> > in the ZDNet piece, is the crapware installed at the factory. The 
> > author of the article got the Sony laptop working perfectly with 
> > Vista without changing the hardware at all. 

> Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped 
> the RAM to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC 
> for photoediting (Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my 
> case is converting PAL to NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files, 
> using Nero 7). 
> 
> Feel free to reply offlist  
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > John Hornbuckle 
> > MIS Department 
> > Taylor County School District 
> > 318 North Clark Street 
> > Perry, FL 32347 
> > 
> > www.taylor.k12.fl.us 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:35 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed 
> > 
> > 
> > Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008 03:58:17 AM:
> > 
> > > If a vendor sells an underpowered machine, then perhaps the vendor 
> > > should take some blame. 
> > 
> > I believe the point is that the hardware is not underpowered for Xp,
> > but is underpowered for Vista. Especially if the vendor isn't (or 
> > can't ... ) offer XP on that hardware. 
> > 
> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Carbon credits are a bit like beating someone up on this side of the
> world and sponsoring one of those poor starving kids on the other 
> side of the world to make up for the fact that you're a complete 
> shit at home. 
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RE: OT Intrusion Protection systems

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

You might look at Secure Computing's website. they have a list of different
vendors and comparisons for Intrusion Prevention Systems.

http://www.scmagazineus.com/Intrusion-Prevention-Systems/Directory/66/0/

Tipping Point makes models in different price ranges and is highly rated.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: Mike French [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:28:16 -0500
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT Intrusion Protection systems


We looked at Top Layer's offering: http://www.toplayer.com/

We are also looking at this: http://www.paloaltonetworks.com/ (PA-4020)

What I like about the PA offering is the ability to "Man-in-the-middle"
an SSL connection. I've had concerns with encrypted (Malicious)traffic
over known ports, currently hard to spot.  


From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT Intrusion Protection systems

I have a site that is looking to replace their Forescout "Active Scout"
IPS system. I have no idea what's out there. I know Cisco has a couple
of things including a card for their ASA box. Anyone with
recommendations for these or are IPS systems even relevant anymore?
TIA
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Re: Old Hardware

[wjh]

We scavenge for anything we might find useful, then recycle the rest.  
We found a recycler that is free for everything but CRTs.  Seven bucks a 
pop for those.

Bill

Ben Scott wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Matthew W. Ross
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>  So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated equipment?
>> 
>
>   A few I keep around to get used for odd-ball jobs, like running a
> web browser for a single web site needed for a certain employee
> process.  (Like a kiosk.)  Some I load Linux on and turn them into
> thin clients.  Some get stripped for parts.  Some get given to
> employees.  Anything leftover goes to a local reclamation shop.  The
> shop we use takes some stuff for free, depending on what it is and
> market conditions.
>
> -- Ben
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RE: File Server Read / Write Tests

[Ziots, Edward]

IOMeter ROCKS...

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Server Read / Write Tests

 

Ahh yeah http://iometer.org/ is something I'm going to look at as well

 



From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Server Read / Write Tests

Ixia Qcheck is good, you might want to try Iometer to test the disks
themselves. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: File Server Read / Write Tests

 

Hey All;

 

So we have this new NS20 NAS that replaced an existing W2K3 File server,
folks around here are complaining about Read / Write Speeds (mostly when
using excel on huge files, but that's another problem in itself). I've
been looking for some tools to check out the performance outside of the
crappy Analyzer tools that EMC provides in their Navisphere.

 

So what do yoll use normally for testing network / file speeds? I've
used things like Ixia Qcheck in the past but that requires two windows
endpoints. I am looking for some basic stats I can test from users
workstations, some servers and the NAS and come up with some baseline
numbers of what decent speeds should be when copying or reading files.

 

thx!

 

Carlos Garcia-Moran

Server / Storage Engineer

Sprague Energy

www.spragueenergy.com  

P: 603-430-5355

C: 857-234-0343

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RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone south

[Ziots, Edward]

Have you found others seeing the same thing across many AV engines?
Might be worthy of forwarding to SANS storm center and let them have a
independent look at it. You might have stumbled on a new attack vector,
or a new flava on an existing one. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: David L Herrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

www.mgilists.com

select current button - at your own risk

Symantec reports

Discovered: June 8, 2001
Updated: February 13, 2007 11:50:11 AM
Type: Trojan Horse
Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me,
Windows NT, Windows XP



Downloader connects to the Internet and downloads other Trojan horses or
components.

Note: Virus definitions dated June 1, 2006 or earlier may detect this
threat as Download.Trojan. 
ProtectionInitial Rapid Release version June 11, 2001 
Latest Rapid Release version May 13, 2008 revision 008 
Initial Daily Certified version June 11, 2001 revision 007 
Latest Daily Certified version May 13, 2008 revision 004 
Initial Weekly Certified release date June 13, 2001 
Click here for a more detailed description of Rapid Release and Daily
Certified virus definitions.

Threat AssessmentWildWild Level: Low 
Number of Infections: 0 - 49 
Number of Sites: 0 - 2 
Geographical Distribution: Low 
Threat Containment: Easy 
Removal: Easy 
DamageDamage Level: Low 
DistributionDistribution Level: Low 

Writeup By: Gor Nazaryan

thanks

David



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RE: Me so stupid..

[David Lum]

That's my problem, I thought (but wasn't sure) DC meant it held at least
one FSMO role. I learn something new every day...

 

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"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 

 

 

 

From: mck1012 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Me so stupid..

 

Most of my DC's do not have any FSMO rules. However all my DC's are
GC's.





- Original Message 
From: David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:51:46 PM
Subject: Me so stupid..

I'm reading up on virtualizing domain controllers and found this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888794

It says, in part:
"We recommend that you locate critical server roles on domain
controllers that are installed directly on physical hardware. Critical
server roles include the following: 
* Global catalog servers 
* Domain Name System (DNS) servers 
* Operations master roles, also known as flexible single master
operations (FSMO)"

How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
associated with it?

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 





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RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone south

[Ziots, Edward]

I think it looks like a bad SQL statement, they could also be
compromised from the mass SQL Injection attack from the last week. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

Interesting 

Thanks

David

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM, David L Herrick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> www.mgilists.com
>
>  select current button - at your own risk

  I just get a SQL database error:

SELECT tc.ContentID, tc.Content, ts.SectionName, ts.SectionType,
ts.Title, ts.Description FROM tblContent tc, tblSections ts WHERE
tc.SectionID = ts.SectionID AND ts.SectionID = 18
Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80040e37'
Invalid object name 'tblContent'.
/Default.asp, line 18

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RE: OT Intrusion Protection systems

[Ziots, Edward]

We looked at Paloalto, not a bad system just a little too pricey. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Mike French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT Intrusion Protection systems

We looked at Top Layer's offering: http://www.toplayer.com/

We are also looking at this: http://www.paloaltonetworks.com/ (PA-4020)

What I like about the PA offering is the ability to "Man-in-the-middle"
an SSL connection. I've had concerns with encrypted (Malicious)traffic
over known ports, currently hard to spot.  


From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT Intrusion Protection systems

I have a site that is looking to replace their Forescout "Active Scout"
IPS system. I have no idea what's out there. I know Cisco has a couple
of things including a card for their ASA box. Anyone with
recommendations for these or are IPS systems even relevant anymore?
TIA
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RE: Me so stupid..

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Yes, you should have a domain controller that hosts your FSMO roles and DNS
on physical hardware, however, you can have other domain controllers which
are virtual. Also, you can cluster domain controller and make other server
virtual. This makes since because if you reboot your Virtual Server and the
domain controller is on virtual server then that will cause issues.

Mike

Original Message:
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From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:51:46 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Me so stupid..


I'm reading up on virtualizing domain controllers and found this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888794

It says, in part:
"We recommend that you locate critical server roles on domain
controllers that are installed directly on physical hardware. Critical
server roles include the following: 
* Global catalog servers 
* Domain Name System (DNS) servers 
* Operations master roles, also known as flexible single master
operations (FSMO)"

How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
associated with it?

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 





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RE: OT Intrusion Protection systems

[Mike French]

We looked at Top Layer's offering: http://www.toplayer.com/

We are also looking at this: http://www.paloaltonetworks.com/ (PA-4020)

What I like about the PA offering is the ability to "Man-in-the-middle"
an SSL connection. I've had concerns with encrypted (Malicious)traffic
over known ports, currently hard to spot.  


From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT Intrusion Protection systems

I have a site that is looking to replace their Forescout "Active Scout"
IPS system. I have no idea what's out there. I know Cisco has a couple
of things including a card for their ASA box. Anyone with
recommendations for these or are IPS systems even relevant anymore?
TIA
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RE: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone south

[David L Herrick]

Interesting 

Thanks

David

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From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone
south

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM, David L Herrick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> www.mgilists.com
>
>  select current button - at your own risk

  I just get a SQL database error:

SELECT tc.ContentID, tc.Content, ts.SectionName, ts.SectionType,
ts.Title, ts.Description FROM tblContent tc, tblSections ts WHERE
tc.SectionID = ts.SectionID AND ts.SectionID = 18
Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80040e37'
Invalid object name 'tblContent'.
/Default.asp, line 18

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Re: is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone south

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM, David L Herrick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> www.mgilists.com
>
>  select current button - at your own risk

  I just get a SQL database error:

SELECT tc.ContentID, tc.Content, ts.SectionName, ts.SectionType,
ts.Title, ts.Description FROM tblContent tc, tblSections ts WHERE
tc.SectionID = ts.SectionID AND ts.SectionID = 18
Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80040e37'
Invalid object name 'tblContent'.
/Default.asp, line 18

-- Ben

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Re: Old Hardware

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Matthew W. Ross
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated equipment?

  A few I keep around to get used for odd-ball jobs, like running a
web browser for a single web site needed for a certain employee
process.  (Like a kiosk.)  Some I load Linux on and turn them into
thin clients.  Some get stripped for parts.  Some get given to
employees.  Anything leftover goes to a local reclamation shop.  The
shop we use takes some stuff for free, depending on what it is and
market conditions.

-- Ben

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RE: Visio Side by Side Install

[Bryan Garmon]

Yes - use a software virtualization app like Altiris Software
Virtualization.  http://juice.altiris.com/node/86 

 

From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Visio Side by Side Install

 

I was wondering if there was a way to do a side by side install of Visio
2003 with Visio 2007.

 

I have some Visio 2003 diagrams of my datacenter that have been modified by
the MBSA 2.0 Visio plug-in and the 2.1 version under 2007 breaks the
diagrams, so I would like to keep the 2.0 version.

 

Does anyone have any suggestions?

 

Thanks.

 
Joe Fox
Systems/Network Administrator

Mobile# (716) 846-9308
http://www.linkedin.com/in/josephfoxjr

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is this site compromised or is my symantec enterprise gone south

[David L Herrick]

www.mgilists.com

select current button - at your own risk

Symantec reports

Discovered: June 8, 2001
Updated: February 13, 2007 11:50:11 AM
Type: Trojan Horse
Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me,
Windows NT, Windows XP



Downloader connects to the Internet and downloads other Trojan horses or
components.

Note: Virus definitions dated June 1, 2006 or earlier may detect this
threat as Download.Trojan. 
ProtectionInitial Rapid Release version June 11, 2001 
Latest Rapid Release version May 13, 2008 revision 008 
Initial Daily Certified version June 11, 2001 revision 007 
Latest Daily Certified version May 13, 2008 revision 004 
Initial Weekly Certified release date June 13, 2001 
Click here for a more detailed description of Rapid Release and Daily
Certified virus definitions.

Threat AssessmentWildWild Level: Low 
Number of Infections: 0 - 49 
Number of Sites: 0 - 2 
Geographical Distribution: Low 
Threat Containment: Easy 
Removal: Easy 
DamageDamage Level: Low 
DistributionDistribution Level: Low 

Writeup By: Gor Nazaryan

thanks

David



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Re: Me so stupid..

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:51 PM, David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
>  associated with it?

  Each individual FSMO role runs on one DC and one DC only.  (You have
have multiple FSMO roles on a single DC.)  So if you've got a single
domain with two DCs, and one DC holds all four FSMO roles, the other
DC will not hold any FSMO roles.

  There are three FSMO roles per domain, and one per forest.

-- Ben

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RE: Me so stupid..

[Carl Houseman]

By definition the FSMO roles are limited to one DC in the forest or in the
domain.  So if you have more than one DC per domain, most likely one has all
the FSMO roles and the others do not.

Carl

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Me so stupid..

I'm reading up on virtualizing domain controllers and found this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888794

It says, in part:
"We recommend that you locate critical server roles on domain
controllers that are installed directly on physical hardware. Critical
server roles include the following: 
* Global catalog servers 
* Domain Name System (DNS) servers 
* Operations master roles, also known as flexible single master
operations (FSMO)"

How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
associated with it?

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 



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RE: Me so stupid..

[John Cook]

Same here.

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Cell (352) 215-6944
Fax (352) 393-2746
MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

From: mck1012 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Me so stupid..

Most of my DC's do not have any FSMO rules. However all my DC's are GC's.



- Original Message 
From: David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:51:46 PM
Subject: Me so stupid..

I'm reading up on virtualizing domain controllers and found this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888794

It says, in part:
"We recommend that you locate critical server roles on domain
controllers that are installed directly on physical hardware. Critical
server roles include the following:
* Global catalog servers
* Domain Name System (DNS) servers
* Operations master roles, also known as flexible single master
operations (FSMO)"

How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
associated with it?

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands"





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RE: File Server Read / Write Tests

[Garcia-Moran, Carlos]

Ahh yeah http://iometer.org/ is something I'm going to look at as well



From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 1:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Server Read / Write Tests



Ixia Qcheck is good, you might want to try Iometer to test the disks
themselves. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: File Server Read / Write Tests

 

Hey All;

 

So we have this new NS20 NAS that replaced an existing W2K3 File server,
folks around here are complaining about Read / Write Speeds (mostly when
using excel on huge files, but that's another problem in itself). I've
been looking for some tools to check out the performance outside of the
crappy Analyzer tools that EMC provides in their Navisphere.

 

So what do yoll use normally for testing network / file speeds? I've
used things like Ixia Qcheck in the past but that requires two windows
endpoints. I am looking for some basic stats I can test from users
workstations, some servers and the NAS and come up with some baseline
numbers of what decent speeds should be when copying or reading files.

 

thx!

 

Carlos Garcia-Moran

Server / Storage Engineer

Sprague Energy

www.spragueenergy.com  

P: 603-430-5355

C: 857-234-0343

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OT Intrusion Protection systems

[Eldridge, Dave]

I have a site that is looking to replace their Forescout "Active Scout"
IPS system. I have no idea what's out there. I know Cisco has a couple
of things including a card for their ASA box. Anyone with
recommendations for these or are IPS systems even relevant anymore?

TIA




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RE: File Server Read / Write Tests

[Ziots, Edward]

Ixia Qcheck is good, you might want to try Iometer to test the disks
themselves. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: File Server Read / Write Tests

 

Hey All;

 

So we have this new NS20 NAS that replaced an existing W2K3 File server,
folks around here are complaining about Read / Write Speeds (mostly when
using excel on huge files, but that's another problem in itself). I've
been looking for some tools to check out the performance outside of the
crappy Analyzer tools that EMC provides in their Navisphere.

 

So what do yoll use normally for testing network / file speeds? I've
used things like Ixia Qcheck in the past but that requires two windows
endpoints. I am looking for some basic stats I can test from users
workstations, some servers and the NAS and come up with some baseline
numbers of what decent speeds should be when copying or reading files.

 

thx!

 

Carlos Garcia-Moran

Server / Storage Engineer

Sprague Energy

www.spragueenergy.com  

P: 603-430-5355

C: 857-234-0343

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RE: Old Hardware

[Ziots, Edward]

Yeah yeah after you leave a big surprise in it I am sure. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

I put my old equipment on my neighbor's porch, ring the doorbell and
run.


-Original Message-
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

Is there a Goodwill place nearby?  They take old computers.  I would
imagine
they recycle whatever isn't useful to somebody.

Carl

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Old Hardware

Let's get off of this Vista bashing... Not that I don't like taking a
few
wacks at Vista... but beating a dead horse won't make it run faster.

So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated
equipment?

When that Pentium II 266 just doesn't run the software like you need it
too
anymore, What are your options?

Since we're a school, our policy is decided by committee... Which means
we
recycle. And pay by the pound for it.

--Matt Ross



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Re: Me so stupid..

[mck1012]

Most of my DC's do not have any FSMO rules. However all my DC's are GC's.





- Original Message 
From: David Lum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:51:46 PM
Subject: Me so stupid..

I'm reading up on virtualizing domain controllers and found this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888794

It says, in part:
"We recommend that you locate critical server roles on domain
controllers that are installed directly on physical hardware. Critical
server roles include the following: 
* Global catalog servers 
* Domain Name System (DNS) servers 
* Operations master roles, also known as flexible single master
operations (FSMO)"

How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
associated with it?

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 





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Re: Me so stupid..

[Klint Price - ArizonaITPro]

This is done in the SBS world all the time in that a secondary server in 
a SBS environment running active directory can not hold any of the FSMO 
roles, or SBS breaks.


To accomplish it, you need to follow these steps:

http://www.petri.co.il/transferring_fsmo_roles.htm



David Lum wrote:

I'm reading up on virtualizing domain controllers and found this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888794

It says, in part:
"We recommend that you locate critical server roles on domain
controllers that are installed directly on physical hardware. Critical
server roles include the following: 
* Global catalog servers 
* Domain Name System (DNS) servers 
* Operations master roles, also known as flexible single master

operations (FSMO)"

How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
associated with it?

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 






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RE: Me so stupid..

[Joe Heaton]

You can assign FSMO roles to whatever DC you want, so as long as you
have multiple DCs you could easily have one without any FSMO roles. 


Joe Heaton

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Me so stupid..

I'm reading up on virtualizing domain controllers and found this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888794

It says, in part:
"We recommend that you locate critical server roles on domain
controllers that are installed directly on physical hardware. Critical
server roles include the following: 
* Global catalog servers
* Domain Name System (DNS) servers
* Operations master roles, also known as flexible single master
operations (FSMO)"

How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
associated with it?

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 





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RE: Old Hardware

[Tim Vander Kooi]

I put my old equipment on my neighbor's porch, ring the doorbell and run.


-Original Message-
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Old Hardware

Is there a Goodwill place nearby?  They take old computers.  I would imagine
they recycle whatever isn't useful to somebody.

Carl

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Old Hardware

Let's get off of this Vista bashing... Not that I don't like taking a few
wacks at Vista... but beating a dead horse won't make it run faster.

So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated equipment?

When that Pentium II 266 just doesn't run the software like you need it too
anymore, What are your options?

Since we're a school, our policy is decided by committee... Which means we
recycle. And pay by the pound for it.

--Matt Ross



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Me so stupid..

[David Lum]

I'm reading up on virtualizing domain controllers and found this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888794

It says, in part:
"We recommend that you locate critical server roles on domain
controllers that are installed directly on physical hardware. Critical
server roles include the following: 
* Global catalog servers 
* Domain Name System (DNS) servers 
* Operations master roles, also known as flexible single master
operations (FSMO)"

How do you have a domain controller that doesn't have a FSMO role
associated with it?

Dave Lum  - Systems Engineer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025
"When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" 





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Re: Why XP is doomed

[Klint Price - ArizonaITPro]

I don't know. That new 3D application switcher is probably worth every 
dollar invested.

What pushed my organization over the edge to upgrade to Vista is the new 
built in Chess game.  The AI is incredible.

Klint


Murray Freeman wrote:
> Now let me understand this. I should spend the money to acquire a new 
> FASTER computer so that I can run Vista which runs at the very SAME 
> speed that an older slower computer did running XP, but Vista really 
> has little if any to offer in the way of benefits. Now I get it! 
> I'm loving this thread, because so far I don't hear any good reasons 
> to upgrade to Vista. I've been in IT for nearly 44 years. During that 
> time I've seen a lot of changes, and in most cases more productivity 
> for smaller amounts of financial investment. But I just have a real 
> problem with spending MORE to get virtually nothing for my 
> investment..other than I can tell people that I have VISTA!!!  I 
> want to thank everyone for reaffirming the decision I had already made 
> for my organization.
>
> *Murray*
>
>  
>
> 
> *From:* Graeme Carstairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2008 3:29 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Why XP is doomed
>
> I have 2.2 GHZ Centrino Duo laptop with 2GB of RAM and Vista works as 
> fast as my previous XP Machine which was a 1.8GHX Centrino Duo and 2GB 
> RAM.
>
> So your Pentium D 3 Ghz should be fine and dandy with or without the 4gb
> obviously 4gb would be better but then that goes for xp too.
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
>
> "John Hornbuckle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote on 05/12/2008
> 03:53:29 PM:
>
>
> > Well, it's moot that a crappy system being sold by a vendor is good
> > enough to run XP. It's also good enough to run Windows for
> > Workgroups and DOS---but that's not the point.
>
> >  
> > Yes, Vista has higher hardware requirements. Just like XP has higher
> > requirements than Win9x had, and just like Win9x had higher
> > requirements than Win3x had. Every OS that comes out is likely to
> > have higher requirements than the OS before it.
> >  
> > But honestly, Vista's hardware requirements aren't crazy high. As I
> > mentioned before, I'm running it at home on a Pentium D processor---
> > which is a very modest CPU by today's standards. Vista works just
> > fine with it. The biggest issue with the hardware vendors, as seen
> > in the ZDNet piece, is the crapware installed at the factory. The
> > author of the article got the Sony laptop working perfectly with
> > Vista without changing the hardware at all.
>
> Really ... I have a Pentium D, 3GHz, 2M RAM. You think if I bumped
> the RAM to 4G that Vista would be OK with it? I mostly use this PC
> for photoediting (Photoshop CS3), and video editing (which in my
> case is converting PAL to NTSC, or making a DVD out of AVI files,
> using Nero 7).
>
> Feel free to reply offlist 
>
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > John Hornbuckle
> > MIS Department
> > Taylor County School District
> > 318 North Clark Street
> > Perry, FL 32347
> >  
> > www.taylor.k12.fl.us 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ]
> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:35 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Why XP is doomed
> >  
> >
> > Ken Schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/11/2008 03:58:17 AM:
> >
> > > If a vendor sells an underpowered machine, then perhaps the
> vendor
> > > should take some blame.
> >
> > I believe the point is that the hardware is not underpowered for Xp,
> > but is underpowered for Vista. Especially if the vendor isn't (or
> > can't ... ) offer XP on that hardware.
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Carbon credits are a bit like beating someone up on this side of the 
> world and sponsoring one of those poor starving kids on the other side 
> of the world to make up for the fact that you're a complete shit at home.
>
>


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Re: Old Hardware

[Peter van Houten]

I have an old Compaq Presario 700 with 256MB ram running Acronis OS
Selector wrapped around quadruple-boot Ubuntu 8.04, FreeBSD 7.0, Vista
SP1 and XP SP2.  Not fast when booted from Vista but it works and it was 
a challenge to get it going.  Interestingly, when Vista is running, it 
only uses 170MB.


That's what I do with my outdated equipment...

On the 13/05/2008 18:23, Matthew W. Ross wrote the following:

Let's get off of this Vista bashing... Not that I don't like taking a
 few wacks at Vista... but beating a dead horse won't make it run 
faster.


So I have a question for the list: What do you do with outdated 
equipment?


When that Pentium II 266 just doesn't run the software like you need 
it too anymore, What are your options?


Since we're a school, our policy is decided by committee... Which 
means we recycle. And pay by the pound for it.


--Matt Ross


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Re: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

[Klint Price - ArizonaITPro]

I use PcHelpWare, which is the latest version published by the old VNC 
SingleClick folks.  It runs great on Vista, can be run from behind a 
NAT'd network, and best of all, is free.


Klint



Roger Wright wrote:

I've had solid success with CrossLoop in many support sessions over the
internet.  The only issues were with early CrossLoop versions and
Vista's UAC.  Those have been resolved in release 2.1 however.
 
CrossLoop is very user-friendly and is perfect for an on-demand remote

control solution.  It's not applicable for an always-available situation
where you don't have a user at the remote end.
 
 
Roger Wright




-Original Message-
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:05 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Thanks ... I've done some trials with it at home, from an XP laptop
to/from
an XP desktop, but not at two physically different sites (yet) ...
Worked OK
for me on the local tests (even though it still  uses the Internet as
connection intermediary) 


-Original Message-
From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:37 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

It just never would connect for me.  It's been a month or two but when I
tried it it said "waiting for connection" for the longest time then
finally
said "connecting" but it never did.  Just checked my IM log and it was
early
March.  Maybe they've got some kinks worked out.  


Jon Lewis


-Original Message-
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Can you elaborate on how crossloop failed for you ?  I'm considering
using
it to support some remote clients and am interested in your experience.

Thanks

Erik 


-Original Message-
From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Remote Helpdesk Solutions

Hello all.  I'm looking for some suggestions and opinions from this
group.
Our company services a handful of small businesses in our area.
Currently we have no remote helpdesk solution in place but we're wanting
to
move in that direction.  With gas prices what they are it makes little
sense
to drive 20 miles to tell someone their caps lock is one when they're
typing
their password.  I've looked around at a few of the companies in this
space
and wanted to see what suggestions you guys might have.  I've currently
used
logmein which is nice but a little over our price range as we don't have
THAT many clients.  I've tried crossloop but didn't have much luck with
that.  I've also used iremotepc.com which is looking kind of promising
for
me.  What are the others that I'm missing?  Or any other tidbits that I
should know.  


Jon Lewis



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