Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 30 Apr 2010 at 9:42, Jay Dale  wrote:

> 
> Here´s a quick lowdown of the article:
> 
> Jobs: We're a closed system using open standards. 
> Adobe: Were an open system using closed standards.

>From one of my read-daily blogs:

= Included Stuff Follows =
Coyote Blog » Blog Archive » Pot Meet Kettle

  From Steve Jobs of Apple [1]

While Adobe´s Flash products are widely available, this does not mean 
they are open, since they are controlled entirely by Adobe and available 
only from Adobe. By almost any definition, Flash is a closed system.

  LOL.  Substitute "Apple" for "Adobe" and "i" for "Flash" and the 
  sentence still works fine.

= Included Stuff Ends =
Seen here:
  http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2010/04/pot-meet-kettle-2.html

[1] 
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
or here if the above wraps unusably: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2bfm94y

 

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-895-3270
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/



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~   ~

R: Open source 'ghost' product?

[HELP_PC]

And a really engaged IT wouldn't waste time in experiments and trials . If I 
have to image a server of a customer I feel more quiet using Storage craft or 
other paid products requiring one shot only 


GuidoElia
HELPPC

-Messaggio originale-
Da: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Inviato: venerdì 30 aprile 2010 21.09
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

It's been about a year since I looked at making a WinPE disk... so I could be 
completely wrong here, but:

1. Doesn't it require you download WAIK? Isn't that a HUGE Download? Doesn't it 
require that you burn the ISO (or have some other ISO mounting tool that 
Windows doesn't have nativity) to install?

2. Doesn't the creation of a Win PE image require a little command line? I seem 
to remember at least a few steps, which are well written in the docs, to 
successfully create the image. I also seem to remember that, while the 
instructions were there, they were burried within the rest of the documentation 
for WAIK, which is a fairly large doc.

3. Doesn't WinPE come with only the drivers of windows of which you created the 
PE disk with? I think the newest WinPE allows hot-installation of drivers 
(yay!), but if you wanted to include the drivers on the disk it requires more 
work before/while you create the image. Also, I hear that the newer version of 
the program that mounts the disk image runs a lot faster, as the old one had to 
completely copy the data to a temporary Read-Write volume, make the change, 
then re-image it in Read-Only mode.

4. Does Windows come nativity with a .iso burner? I think Windows 7 does 
(finally).

Easy is a relative term. What's easy for you, may not be so easy for me. Thus, 
when I called it "not super easy", I wasn't trying to say it was too difficult. 
But it isn't a single command, either. (I wish it was!)


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Joseph L. Casale
[mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 30 Apr 2010
11:22:30 -0700
Subject: RE: Open source 'ghost' product?


> >That being said, making a WinPE CD is not super easy
> 
> Well, I would disagree. The syntax is very accurately documented in 
> the chm's and technet. I use it all the time whip out custom iso's and 
> add drivers to do things. Just make a script to automate it, and 
> Voila!
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 
> 

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Re: Symantec Acquires PGP

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 20:37, Angus Scott-Fleming  wrote:
> On 29 Apr 2010 at 15:01, Jon Harris  wrote:
>
>> Another company to add to my personal do not purchase list!
>
> +1, unfortunately.  Now there is really no alternative to TrueCrypt.
>
> --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-290-5038
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/

I wouldn't go quite that far:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_disk_encryption_software

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Re: Symantec Acquires PGP

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 09:00, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid14_gci152,00.html?track=NL-102&ad=763391&asrc=EM_NLN_11453454&uid=9835724
>
> FRAK!

I share that sentiment. They bought Secure Computing last year, which
really bummed me out, because I love my Sidewinders.

Kurt

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Re: Compellent SAN

[Kurt Buff]

No, I don't, but on Wednesday of this week I went to a day-long
seminar on storage, from a Usenix guy who seems to be fairly
vendor-neutral, and he had some very nice things to say about them.

The presenters were Jacob Farmer (who gave three of the 4 lectures)
and one other fellow from this company:
http://cambridgecomputer.com/

I think you might benefit from looking at their site, and perhaps
talking with them - Jacob is an awesomely smart guy.

Kurt

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> We currently have an EMC Clariion CX3 series SAN and are looking to expand
> our DR capabilities by offsiting some hardware and doing replication.  A
> vendor is offering Compellent as an alternative to upgrading the CX3 to a
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RE: Deleting extend.dat while outlook is open

[Erik Goldoff]

Thanks ... but on this screwy project, I don't have access to the login
script ( amongst other things ) and the new software will be deployed via
SaaS from a web connection.  So I can only delete the file as part of the
install.  I cannot guarantee that anyone will close outlook even if asked
via memo, and if we have to force Outlook closed programattically the PHB
will have yet another fit for inconveniencing the users ...
Rock-ME-HardPlace


Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Deleting extend.dat while outlook is open

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Erik Goldoff  wrote:
> The issue at hand is after removal, when outlook starts, the SAV9 plug in
> information is still cached in the extend.dat and the end users get an
error
> message.

  When we ran into this issue (during an upgrade from one version of
SAV to another), we added a something to our user logon script that
deleted EXTEND.DAT on every logon.  Hasn't caused us any known
problems yet.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


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RE: Malwarebytes enterprise + Viper enterprise same pc / network

[Alex Eckelberry]

As an alternative, you could try using both active protections, but uncheck 
"Check files when they are opened or copied" in VIPRE. This turns off on-access 
scanning, but still checks files when they actually execute.   It would likely 
work.


From: Jeff Cain [mailto:je...@sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Malwarebytes enterprise + Viper enterprise same pc / network

Justino,

I would avoid running active protection with multiple security 
applications. While I have not tested it myself, there is always a chance of 
system instability due to conflicting actions taken by each app on a single 
file or process. I would recommend using VIPRE's AP (as it handles older 
threats as well as the newest) and Malwarebytes for routine scanning to 
compliment your VIPRE scans.

Thanks,
Jeff Cain
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From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Malwarebytes enterprise + Viper enterprise same pc / network

I see malwarebytes pro has active scanning, simmillar to viper.
So can I have both active scanner on, or just have viper active scanner, and 
malwarebytes ona  sechdule do a full scan, say staturday at 10 pm and quick 
scan monday thru friday at 10 pm and a flash scan at lunch time?

Also then have deep scan of viper on sunday at 11 pm
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Joseph Heaton 
mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov>> wrote:
Malwarebytes is not an AV.  It targets malware specifically, so yes.  I always 
scan with AV, and Malwarebytes when I have issues.

>>> justino garcia mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com>> 
>>> 4/26/2010 8:12 AM >>>
Can it be done.
I know it common knowledge not to have to AV's, but viper in active
protection, and malwarebytes scanning files on a sechdule???

what your opnion?

can they coexist
--
Justin
IT-TECH
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~   ~


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--
Justin
IT-TECH




...





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Re: Deleting extend.dat while outlook is open

[KenM]

I agree with Ben on this one. I have run into this a few times and
just put it in the users login or computer startup script through gpo



On 4/30/10, Ben Scott  wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Erik Goldoff  wrote:
>> The issue at hand is after removal, when outlook starts, the SAV9 plug in
>> information is still cached in the extend.dat and the end users get an
>> error
>> message.
>
>   When we ran into this issue (during an upgrade from one version of
> SAV to another), we added a something to our user logon script that
> deleted EXTEND.DAT on every logon.  Hasn't caused us any known
> problems yet.
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

-- 
Sent from my mobile device

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Benjamin Zachary - Lists]

HTC EVO is supposed to have flash IIRC.

On that note a good friend of ours is a fashion designer and shes been hired
to do a new Apple commercial. They are shooting this weekend in NY, she had
to get 100 'jobs' look alikes at different ages and dress them all up the
same. I joked that it was the Eminem awards from a few years back so I guess
we will see when it comes out. 

Just made me think about it with the 'ego' comment(s).





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Deleting extend.dat while outlook is open

[Crawford, Scott]

+1

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Deleting extend.dat while outlook is open

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Erik Goldoff 
wrote:
> The issue at hand is after removal, when outlook starts, the SAV9 plug
in
> information is still cached in the extend.dat and the end users get an
error
> message.

  When we ran into this issue (during an upgrade from one version of
SAV to another), we added a something to our user logon script that
deleted EXTEND.DAT on every logon.  Hasn't caused us any known
problems yet.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Matthew W. Ross]

What, that isn't a KB? Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

On Apr 30, 2010, at 12:55 PM, "John Cook"  wrote:


See link below (as provided by MBS)
http://www.microsoft.com/education/competencies/humor.mspx

John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Cell (352) 215-6944
Fax (352) 393-2746
MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mayo, Bill  
 wrote:

I just find your constant need to insult and belittle people to be
childish and annoying.


 While I readily admit that I do toss in the occasional snide remark,
I was unaware that I was constantly -- or even regularly -- insulting
and belittling people.  If that's the case, I sincerely apologize.
Additionally, I offer to provide a personal and on-list apology to
anyone who felt insulted by something I wrote.

 I can see how some of my snide remarks could be taken as insulting.
I generally thought I was making them in the spirit of "good-natured
banter" for comic relief, but I can see how that could be lost in
email.  On this list, I will attempt to curtail snide remarks made
towards private individuals, including list members.[1]  I would also
request anyone who feels I go stray to please call me out (on-list or
off).

[1]  I reserve the right to make snide remarks directed at products,
companies, public figures, situations, etc.  If that's still too much
for your tastes, we'll just have to agree to disagree about what
constitutes "insulting".


In regards to how you have diagnosed Apple's problems, were you using
Macs at that time?


 I was supporting them professionally.  Does that count as "use"?

 I recall users upset that:

* Macs were slow or unusable when something else was running
* Mac computers crashed a lot
* Mac networking was unstable
* Windows computers had more software available
* Windows computers crashed less often

 Note that this was in professional settings, such as engineering or
publishing.  Home users often have a different take on things; I'm not
qualified to speak to how home users perceived Macs at the time.

But you are completely incorrect that Mac OS X was what turned  
Apple around.
Instead, it was the first iMac, which ran the "toy" OS.  It was  
YEARS before
Mac OS X shipped, let alone became usable (with 10.1)--long after  
Apple was

back in the black.


 In my analysis, I didn't really see Apple start to gain serious
market attention again until Mac OS X.  Perhaps iMac was good for
Apple's finances because it was cheaper to make, but that didn't put
them on the path they are on now.  Perhaps my analysis is simply
incorrect.

 But for the sake of discussion, let's assume that Mac OS X had
nothing to do with Apple's success, and that the biggest problem was
that third-party development tools were the single biggest
contributing factor to Apple's near-death.  In that case, how do you
explain the widespread availability of third-party development tools
and software being available for Mac OS X *not* causing the downfall
of Apple again?


If you make a cross-platform development
tool, how many resources are you going to devote to implementing a  
feature

that is only on one platform?


 Presumably, if there is any demand for the feature, the
cross-platform developer will implement it, or the app developer will
jump ship and implement native code on the popular platform.


If the feature is not available in the development environment, it
cannot be incorporated into the resulting application.


 We have the following possible scenarios:

A1. Cross-platform tools are not available
A2. Cross-platform tools (third-party or not) are available

 Given A1, application developers must target the platform natively.
They have no choice.  So developers face the question: Is there is
enough demand to warrant re-implementing everything from scratch?  Two
possible outcomes:

B1. There is enough demand; develop natively
B2. There is not sufficient demand; do without

 Given A2, application developers have a new choice: Implement
natively anyway, or use a cross-platform tool.  If they already have
working code for the cross-platform tool, that's an easy choice, but
re-implementation is still an option

 Now let us suppose a new, unique feature appears on the native
platform.  The developers now face the same question ("Is there
sufficient demand?"), and have the same two possible outcomes (B1 and
B2).  However, there is a third possible outcome:

B3. Successfully convince the cross-platform tool developer to support
the feature

 To review: Given A1, we have B1 and B2.  Given A2, we have B1, B2,  
and B3.


 So I see the entire "third-party tools will kill Apple" argument as
based on faulty logic.

 Respectfully submitted,

-- Ben

~ Final

Re: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015

[Orland, Kathleen]

I have a couple of those still. They are a PITA to unjam, often tearing the
paper into small pieces, and lots of plastic parts that break. NOT a printer
for a high volume area.

Kathleen Orland
Please support me in my efforts: SPCA Friends for Life 2010 Walk-A-Thon
http://ontariospca.akaraisin.com/p/kathleenorland.aspx


- Original Message - 
From: "Ben Scott" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015


On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:56 PM,  wrote:
>> I am affilicted with a number of HP Laserjet 2015 network printers.
>
> We have a bunch. Pray you never get a paper jam in the bypass tray
> path. (You have to strip the thing down to the main frame to get to
> it.)

  Correction: It's the LaserJet 1320's which have the inaccessible paper
path.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[John Cook]

See link below (as provided by MBS)
http://www.microsoft.com/education/competencies/humor.mspx

John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Cell (352) 215-6944
Fax (352) 393-2746
MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I, A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mayo, Bill  wrote:
> I just find your constant need to insult and belittle people to be
> childish and annoying.

  While I readily admit that I do toss in the occasional snide remark,
I was unaware that I was constantly -- or even regularly -- insulting
and belittling people.  If that's the case, I sincerely apologize.
Additionally, I offer to provide a personal and on-list apology to
anyone who felt insulted by something I wrote.

  I can see how some of my snide remarks could be taken as insulting.
I generally thought I was making them in the spirit of "good-natured
banter" for comic relief, but I can see how that could be lost in
email.  On this list, I will attempt to curtail snide remarks made
towards private individuals, including list members.[1]  I would also
request anyone who feels I go stray to please call me out (on-list or
off).

[1]  I reserve the right to make snide remarks directed at products,
companies, public figures, situations, etc.  If that's still too much
for your tastes, we'll just have to agree to disagree about what
constitutes "insulting".

> In regards to how you have diagnosed Apple's problems, were you using
> Macs at that time?

  I was supporting them professionally.  Does that count as "use"?

  I recall users upset that:

* Macs were slow or unusable when something else was running
* Mac computers crashed a lot
* Mac networking was unstable
* Windows computers had more software available
* Windows computers crashed less often

  Note that this was in professional settings, such as engineering or
publishing.  Home users often have a different take on things; I'm not
qualified to speak to how home users perceived Macs at the time.

> But you are completely incorrect that Mac OS X was what turned Apple around.
> Instead, it was the first iMac, which ran the "toy" OS.  It was YEARS before
> Mac OS X shipped, let alone became usable (with 10.1)--long after Apple was
> back in the black.

  In my analysis, I didn't really see Apple start to gain serious
market attention again until Mac OS X.  Perhaps iMac was good for
Apple's finances because it was cheaper to make, but that didn't put
them on the path they are on now.  Perhaps my analysis is simply
incorrect.

  But for the sake of discussion, let's assume that Mac OS X had
nothing to do with Apple's success, and that the biggest problem was
that third-party development tools were the single biggest
contributing factor to Apple's near-death.  In that case, how do you
explain the widespread availability of third-party development tools
and software being available for Mac OS X *not* causing the downfall
of Apple again?

> If you make a cross-platform development
> tool, how many resources are you going to devote to implementing a feature
> that is only on one platform?

  Presumably, if there is any demand for the feature, the
cross-platform developer will implement it, or the app developer will
jump ship and implement native code on the popular platform.

> If the feature is not available in the development environment, it
> cannot be incorporated into the resulting application.

  We have the following possible scenarios:

A1. Cross-platform tools are not available
A2. Cross-platform tools (third-party or not) are available

  Given A1, application developers must target the platform natively.
They have no choice.  So developers face the question: Is there is
enough demand to warrant re-implementing everything from scratch?  Two
possible outcomes:

B1. There is enough demand; develop natively
B2. There is not sufficient demand; do without

  Given A2, application developers have a new choice: Implement
natively anyway, or use a cross-platform tool.  If they already have
working code for the cross-platform tool, that's an easy choice, but
re-implementation is still an option

  Now let us suppose a new, unique feature appears on the native
platform.  The developers now face the same question ("Is there
sufficient demand?"), and have the same two possible outcomes (B1 and
B2).  However, there is a third possible outcome:

B3. Successfully convince the cross-platform tool developer to support
the feature

  To review: Given A1, we have B1 and B2.  Given A2, we have B1, B2, and B3.

  So I see the entire "third-party tools will kill Apple" argument as
based on faulty logic.

  Respectfully submitted,

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ 

Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mayo, Bill  wrote:
> I just find your constant need to insult and belittle people to be
> childish and annoying.

  While I readily admit that I do toss in the occasional snide remark,
I was unaware that I was constantly -- or even regularly -- insulting
and belittling people.  If that's the case, I sincerely apologize.
Additionally, I offer to provide a personal and on-list apology to
anyone who felt insulted by something I wrote.

  I can see how some of my snide remarks could be taken as insulting.
I generally thought I was making them in the spirit of "good-natured
banter" for comic relief, but I can see how that could be lost in
email.  On this list, I will attempt to curtail snide remarks made
towards private individuals, including list members.[1]  I would also
request anyone who feels I go stray to please call me out (on-list or
off).

[1]  I reserve the right to make snide remarks directed at products,
companies, public figures, situations, etc.  If that's still too much
for your tastes, we'll just have to agree to disagree about what
constitutes "insulting".

> In regards to how you have diagnosed Apple's problems, were you using
> Macs at that time?

  I was supporting them professionally.  Does that count as "use"?

  I recall users upset that:

* Macs were slow or unusable when something else was running
* Mac computers crashed a lot
* Mac networking was unstable
* Windows computers had more software available
* Windows computers crashed less often

  Note that this was in professional settings, such as engineering or
publishing.  Home users often have a different take on things; I'm not
qualified to speak to how home users perceived Macs at the time.

> But you are completely incorrect that Mac OS X was what turned Apple around.
> Instead, it was the first iMac, which ran the "toy" OS.  It was YEARS before
> Mac OS X shipped, let alone became usable (with 10.1)--long after Apple was
> back in the black.

  In my analysis, I didn't really see Apple start to gain serious
market attention again until Mac OS X.  Perhaps iMac was good for
Apple's finances because it was cheaper to make, but that didn't put
them on the path they are on now.  Perhaps my analysis is simply
incorrect.

  But for the sake of discussion, let's assume that Mac OS X had
nothing to do with Apple's success, and that the biggest problem was
that third-party development tools were the single biggest
contributing factor to Apple's near-death.  In that case, how do you
explain the widespread availability of third-party development tools
and software being available for Mac OS X *not* causing the downfall
of Apple again?

> If you make a cross-platform development
> tool, how many resources are you going to devote to implementing a feature
> that is only on one platform?

  Presumably, if there is any demand for the feature, the
cross-platform developer will implement it, or the app developer will
jump ship and implement native code on the popular platform.

> If the feature is not available in the development environment, it
> cannot be incorporated into the resulting application.

  We have the following possible scenarios:

A1. Cross-platform tools are not available
A2. Cross-platform tools (third-party or not) are available

  Given A1, application developers must target the platform natively.
They have no choice.  So developers face the question: Is there is
enough demand to warrant re-implementing everything from scratch?  Two
possible outcomes:

B1. There is enough demand; develop natively
B2. There is not sufficient demand; do without

  Given A2, application developers have a new choice: Implement
natively anyway, or use a cross-platform tool.  If they already have
working code for the cross-platform tool, that's an easy choice, but
re-implementation is still an option

  Now let us suppose a new, unique feature appears on the native
platform.  The developers now face the same question ("Is there
sufficient demand?"), and have the same two possible outcomes (B1 and
B2).  However, there is a third possible outcome:

B3. Successfully convince the cross-platform tool developer to support
the feature

  To review: Given A1, we have B1 and B2.  Given A2, we have B1, B2, and B3.

  So I see the entire "third-party tools will kill Apple" argument as
based on faulty logic.

  Respectfully submitted,

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Deleting extend.dat while outlook is open

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Erik Goldoff  wrote:
> The issue at hand is after removal, when outlook starts, the SAV9 plug in
> information is still cached in the extend.dat and the end users get an error
> message.

  When we ran into this issue (during an upgrade from one version of
SAV to another), we added a something to our user logon script that
deleted EXTEND.DAT on every logon.  Hasn't caused us any known
problems yet.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:56 PM,   wrote:
>> I am affilicted with a number of HP Laserjet 2015 network printers.
>
>  We have a bunch.  Pray you never get a paper jam in the bypass tray
> path.  (You have to strip the thing down to the main frame to get to
> it.)

  Correction: It's the LaserJet 1320's which have the inaccessible paper path.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: PalmOS emulator (was: HP to buy Palm)

[Sam Cayze]

Try asking here:  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/treo/

Very good Palm group.They discuss this topic a lot.

 

Sam

 

 

 

From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: PalmOS emulator (was: HP to buy Palm)

 

Depends on the vintage of the app.  Many had to be written with a
mindset that it had to be coded to the least common denominator, which
for Palm apps, I think was what, 16 mhz?

 

 

Phillip Partipilo

Parametric Solutions Inc.

Jupiter, Florida

(561) 747-6107

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: PalmOS emulator (was: HP to buy Palm)

 

Seems like it would be slow on a handheld device...


-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Ben Scott 
wrote:

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
 wrote:
> I think you mean "WebOS".  "PalmOS" was what they used on their Palm
PDAs, and
> on the early Treo phones.  Different critter altogether, although
there is a
> PalmOS emulator that runs inside WebOS now.

 Has anyone here tried the PalmOS emulator, and care to comment?
I've been using Palm for a decade, have spent several hundred dollars
on software for it, have some apps I really like, and don't look
forward to migrating.  If I had a good PalmOS emulator on a handheld,
that would be a whole different ball game.  But most emulators I've
used in the past really suck at "real world" applications.

 For example, there's a PalmOS emulator for one of the Nokia tablets,
but I'm told you basically have to manually start a VM and then do
things.  Not really practically for a handheld calendar/reminder
application.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Matthew W. Ross]

It's been about a year since I looked at making a WinPE disk... so I could be 
completely wrong here, but:

1. Doesn't it require you download WAIK? Isn't that a HUGE Download? Doesn't it 
require that you burn the ISO (or have some other ISO mounting tool that 
Windows doesn't have nativity) to install?

2. Doesn't the creation of a Win PE image require a little command line? I seem 
to remember at least a few steps, which are well written in the docs, to 
successfully create the image. I also seem to remember that, while the 
instructions were there, they were burried within the rest of the documentation 
for WAIK, which is a fairly large doc.

3. Doesn't WinPE come with only the drivers of windows of which you created the 
PE disk with? I think the newest WinPE allows hot-installation of drivers 
(yay!), but if you wanted to include the drivers on the disk it requires more 
work before/while you create the image. Also, I hear that the newer version of 
the program that mounts the disk image runs a lot faster, as the old one had to 
completely copy the data to a temporary Read-Write volume, make the change, 
then re-image it in Read-Only mode.

4. Does Windows come nativity with a .iso burner? I think Windows 7 does 
(finally).

Easy is a relative term. What's easy for you, may not be so easy for me. Thus, 
when I called it "not super easy", I wasn't trying to say it was too difficult. 
But it isn't a single command, either. (I wish it was!)


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Joseph L. Casale
[mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 30 Apr 2010
11:22:30 -0700
Subject: RE: Open source 'ghost' product?


> >That being said, making a WinPE CD is not super easy
> 
> Well, I would disagree. The syntax is very accurately documented
> in the chm's and technet. I use it all the time whip out custom
> iso's and add drivers to do things. Just make a script to automate
> it, and Voila!
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 
> 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: PalmOS emulator (was: HP to buy Palm)

[Phillip Partipilo]

Depends on the vintage of the app.  Many had to be written with a mindset that 
it had to be coded to the least common denominator, which for Palm apps, I 
think was what, 16 mhz?


Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: PalmOS emulator (was: HP to buy Palm)

Seems like it would be slow on a handheld device...

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Ben Scott 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
mailto:angu...@geoapps.com>> wrote:
> I think you mean "WebOS".  "PalmOS" was what they used on their Palm PDAs, and
> on the early Treo phones.  Different critter altogether, although there is a
> PalmOS emulator that runs inside WebOS now.

 Has anyone here tried the PalmOS emulator, and care to comment?
I've been using Palm for a decade, have spent several hundred dollars
on software for it, have some apps I really like, and don't look
forward to migrating.  If I had a good PalmOS emulator on a handheld,
that would be a whole different ball game.  But most emulators I've
used in the past really suck at "real world" applications.

 For example, there's a PalmOS emulator for one of the Nokia tablets,
but I'm told you basically have to manually start a VM and then do
things.  Not really practically for a handheld calendar/reminder
application.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

[mck1012]

Bill

I could not agree more. I didnt see the first comment becuase long ago I set
up a rule to delete any mail from him for this exact thing. There are many
others on this list that have far more knowledge than him and I did not want
to keep getting his negative comments and insults he has for others.




On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Mayo, Bill  wrote:

> Sorry to disappoint, but I don't find your comments "hurtful".  I just find
> your constant need to insult and belittle people to be childish and
> annoying.  If your arguments are as superior as you believe them to be, they
> can stand on their own.  There are a lot of different opinions on this list,
> but I don't see anybody else doing what you do.  Just state your opinion and
> keep the snide comments to yourself.
>
> In regards to how you have diagnosed Apple's problems, were you using Macs
> at that time?  Working for Apple?  If not, then I submit you don't know what
> issues the company had or the folks that used Apple's products had (and
> thefore what caused people to leave the platform).  Personally, I have been
> using Macs (and PCs) for over 20 years, so I feel have some perspective.
>  Apple was doing serious software development for what was to be "Copland"
> that included all the buzzword-friendly features of the time; the problem
> they had was in trying to make it backwards compatible.  When Amelio brought
> in the software head from IBM (don't remember her name), she killed the
> project and set things in motion that would ultimately lead to Mac OS X.
>  But you are completely incorrect that Mac OS X was what turned Apple
> around.  Instead, it was the first iMac, which ran the "toy" OS.  It was
> YEARS before Mac OS X shipped, let alone became usable (with 10.1)--long
> after Apple was back in the black.
>
> Nobody has said that third-party development tools makes features "go
> away".  The point is that it is then up to the makers of those tools to
> support the new features.  Apple is saying that, in their history, those
> makers are slow to adapt those new features or do not adapt them at all.  If
> you make a cross-platform development tool, how many resources are you going
> to devote to implementing a feature that is only on one platform?  If the
> feature is not available in the development environment, it cannot be
> incorporated into the resulting application.  Therefore, it doesn't matter
> if the feature is available on the hardware/OS or not.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Steve Jobs on Flash
>
>  On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Mayo, Bill 
> wrote:
> > I will refrain from saying what I would like to say about your last
> > comment.  I will not stoop to your typical level of verbal abuse.
>
>  If you really found the "Reality Distortion Field" remark hurtful, I
> apologize, and withdraw it.  However, I stand by the rest of my statements.
>
> > They are requiring that you use their development tools, based on the
> > past experience that cross-platform development aimed at the Mac
> > nearly destroyed the company.  If you have followed the history, then
> > you would know that this is not fiction.
>
>  I would call it fiction.
>
>  The Mac fell behind was because they didn't do any significant software
> development for nearly a decade.  While even freaking
> *Microsoft* was discovering security, preemptive multi-tasking, and memory
> protection, Apple was still trying to sell people their toy OS for a premium
> price.  So the rest of the world was introduced to things like reliable
> multimedia and video games, while apps on the Mac struggled to keep up. That
> also meant app developers found it harder and harder to support the Mac, so
> fewer and fewer apps were available.
>  Even *Linux* was making better inroads against Microsoft than Apple, and
> this was back when people still sometimes had to write X11 mode lines by
> hand.
>
>  Apple turned around with the release of an OS that could keep up with
> modern usage, and started producing software that people actually wanted to
> use.
>
>  It's not like third-party development tools aren't available for Mac OS X.
>  It's a BSD Unix underneath the pretty GUI; you can install and run whatever
> you want.  Heck, might it even ship with GCC?  If third-party development
> tools are the cause of Apple's downfall, why are they succeeding like never
> before, now that it's actually *easier* to build *ugly old Unix apps* for
> the Mac platform?
>
> > I am not sure why it is hard to understand that there is a competitive
> > advantage in having more advanced features than the competition.
>
>  Allowing third-party development tools (cross-platform *or not*) does not
> make those features go away.
>
>  I find the idea that the use of third-party development tools would cause
> the iPhone's features to become unavailable absolutely ludicrous.
>
>  

Deleting extend.dat while outlook is open

[Erik Goldoff]

 

 

Excuse me for cross posting this on two lists at once …

 

I am working on a contract with thousands of workstations, and moving
towards an enterprise installation of a single antivirus solution across 15
agencies.

Several of the agencies are running SAV9 ( Symantec AntiVirus version 9 )
and that is one version that doesn’t uninstall cleanly ( among others ! )

 

The issue at hand is after removal, when outlook starts, the SAV9 plug in
information is still cached in the extend.dat and the end users get an error
message.  Causing end user error messages is a no-no according to those in
charge.  The solution would be to delete the extend.dat file, but it’s also
an issue if the software deployment forces outlook to close.

 

So the question is :

 

Has anyone ever seen any issues with deleting the extend.dat file from the
users’ profile *while* Outlook is open ?  

 

( Primarily XP desktops but some 2000 professional, and mostly Outlook 2003,
but also some older 2000 and newer 2007 )

 

I know that after deletion of extend.dat Outlook will create a new copy when
Outlook launches again, and my limited virtual systems testing has shown no
issue.  But the client is insisting on assurances ( “are you willing to bet
your job on this issue?” ) that deleting the extend.dat file while Outlook
is open is not going to cause issues.

 

Also, if you have done this with no issue, I’d like to hear from you as
well, to help support my case.

 

Thanks in advance !

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Hotel room router with wifi and gigabit E-net

[Don Guyer]

"My boss travels a lot and sometimes carries several toys with her."

 

Dang, no one picked up on this yet?!

 

You guys (and gals) are slipping!

 

J

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com  

 

From: Jon B. Lewis [mailto:j...@myriadds.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hotel room router with wifi and gigabit E-net

 

You might try a home router flashed with DD-WRT or Tomato.  I know you
can get one to do 1, 2, and 3.  I have no idea on 4 and you could do 5
with an adapter couldn't you?  

 

From: Leif Wahlberg [mailto:lef...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hotel room router with wifi and gigabit E-net

 

Hi Greg,

 

Yes, you are right. PPTP client is the only VPN that will work thru a
hotel router in this case. Her computer can do that without problems,
but she wants to share the VPN with her other toys, that's why I am
looking for a router with PPTP VPN client functionality.

 

She tried a Linksys Wi-Fi access thing that could let her use a hotel
Wi-Fi in her room, but that is not the solution here. She wants to use
the copper cable in the room and give access to her  IPhone and iPad and
also let the iPad get to the corporate network via the VPN handled by
the router/Wi-Fi thing.

 

Bulky is NOT a problem. The company pays for excess baggage.

 

And Yes, she wants FAST transfer between wired laptops in her room.

 

Sigh!!

 

Leif

 

From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
[mailto:greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hotel room router with wifi and gigabit E-net

 

Leif,

 

The VPN is the only real issue.  That's mainly an issue with the type of
network at the hotel.  Some require you to get a static IP and then call
a helpdesk, others its never a problem, most require some type of
authentication before getting out to the internet..  Also if you put in
a commercial device its most likely going to pull a NATTED IP address
from the hotel and then you boss will grab another Natted IP from your
device, so you will be doing double natting.  This alone could cause you
some VPN issue, especially IPSEC.

 

Best bet is to get a portable WIFI AP that's not a router and will just
give you wifi in the room if hardwire is the only thing available.

http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=346  I use this in AP mode when I
need to.  Most hotels I stay at have wifi in the rooms so its not a
problem and rarely do I have VPN issues, never RDP issues.  Its not N
wireless, but I am sure there are some out there.  However N is going to
be quite bulky with all the antennas.  This doesn't have a USB
connection for storage.

 

As to Gigabit, there is no point as you wont benefit unless you are
transferring data between devices hardline in your room.


Greg

 

From: Leif Wahlberg [mailto:lef...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Hotel room router with wifi and gigabit E-net

 

My boss travels a lot and sometimes carries several toys with her. She
has expressed a wish to have the following added to her travel kit:

 

Hotel room router with the following capabilities:

1.   Gigabit wired Ethernet

2.   Wi-Fi, preferably multi type, including N

3.   PPTP client capabilities.  (Important)

4.   USB storage connection

5.   110-220 V power supply

 

I don't mind buying her a consumer type device as long as it fulfills
her requirements.

 

Just an explanation for the PPTP client requirement. She wants the
router to open a VPN to our corporate network and that connection should
be available to all the toys she connects to this router. I can set up a
filtered PPTP host in our firewall, so that is not a problem.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Leif Wahlberg

Admin by default

(Excessive sig deleted)

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Tim Evans]

It's not bad as long as you don't mind using the command line. You can script 
it to make it even easier.

It takes a few minutes to set a WinPE image up, but once you've got it done, 
you're set until you need to add more drivers. Mark Minasi had a great set of 
instructions on setting up WinPE and using ImageX in his newsletter a while 
back. see http://www.minasi.com/showdoc.asp?docname=nws0701orig.htm for the 
first one in the series, which explains how to set up a WinPE image.


...Tim


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Open source 'ghost' product?

Yes! But the support for using imagex.exe is only available for XP SP3 (and 
it's version of Sysprep), not with SP2 or earlier.

That being said, making a WinPE CD is not super easy, nor is using imagex. I 
think there are some projects out there that are trying to make it easier, 
though... and I've used gimagex, which is an AutoIT frontend to MS's 
imagex.exe. (See this page on gimagex: http://www.autoitscript.com/gimagex)

My solution is to boot from a Windows Vista, 7, or Server 2008 DVD (or PXE boot 
from WDS), press Shift-F10 to get a console, "net use" to a share witch has 
imagex.exe and gimagex... and viola!


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Ben Scott
[mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]

>   Is ImageX available for Windows XP?
> 
> 
> -- Ben
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Deleting extend.dat while outlook is open

[Erik Goldoff]

Excuse me for cross posting this on two lists at once …

 

I am working on a contract with thousands of workstations, and moving
towards an enterprise installation of a single antivirus solution across 15
agencies.

Several of the agencies are running SAV9 ( Symantec AntiVirus version 9 )
and that is one version that doesn’t uninstall cleanly ( among others ! )

 

The issue at hand is after removal, when outlook starts, the SAV9 plug in
information is still cached in the extend.dat and the end users get an error
message.  Causing end user error messages is a no-no according to those in
charge.  The solution would be to delete the extend.dat file, but it’s also
an issue if the software deployment forces outlook to close.

 

So the question is :

 

Has anyone ever seen any issues with deleting the extend.dat file from the
users’ profile *while* Outlook is open ?  

 

( Primarily XP desktops but some 2000 professional, and mostly Outlook 2003,
but also some older 2000 and newer 2007 )

 

I know that after deletion of extend.dat Outlook will create a new copy when
Outlook launches again, and my limited virtual systems testing has shown no
issue.  But the client is insisting on assurances ( “are you willing to bet
your job on this issue?” ) that deleting the extend.dat file while Outlook
is open is not going to cause issues.

 

Also, if you have done this with no issue, I’d like to hear from you as
well, to help support my case.

 

Thanks in advance !

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Joseph L. Casale]

>That being said, making a WinPE CD is not super easy

Well, I would disagree. The syntax is very accurately documented
in the chm's and technet. I use it all the time whip out custom
iso's and add drivers to do things. Just make a script to automate
it, and Voila!

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Matthew W. Ross]

Yes! But the support for using imagex.exe is only available for XP SP3 (and 
it's version of Sysprep), not with SP2 or earlier.

That being said, making a WinPE CD is not super easy, nor is using imagex. I 
think there are some projects out there that are trying to make it easier, 
though... and I've used gimagex, which is an AutoIT frontend to MS's 
imagex.exe. (See this page on gimagex: http://www.autoitscript.com/gimagex)

My solution is to boot from a Windows Vista, 7, or Server 2008 DVD (or PXE boot 
from WDS), press Shift-F10 to get a console, "net use" to a share witch has 
imagex.exe and gimagex... and viola!


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Ben Scott
[mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]

>   Is ImageX available for Windows XP?
> 
> 
> -- Ben
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Dell MD1000

[Richard Stovall]

Thanks to all who responded.  I found an MD3000 with 2 x dual port
controllers for a ridiculously low price and went with that instead of the
MD1000.  The timing was lucky.

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Brian Desmond wrote:

> *I have about a dozen of them at a customer I’m working at right now –
> they’ve been fine for over a year now. Haven’t touched them since I carved
> the raids. *
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *c   – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:34 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Dell MD1000
>
>
>
> Anyone have one (or more) of the Dell MD1000s?  Any comments, good or ill?
>
>
>
> I'm thinking about creating a new file server and this is a relatively
> inexpensive option from a big vendor.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> RS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015

[Steve Kistenmacher]

Could try telnet into the printer 

http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpj05
999#usetelnet

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015

 


OK, that works! 

It took entirely too long to get the IP set back to what the server says its
IP should be.  The HP crap says it would continue to get its IP
"automatically". 

The web GUI, though, shows that it is in fact "Manual IP".  Hope we can
remember this next time one of these goes wandering off! 

Thanks again... 
-- 
richard 

"Damien Solodow"  wrote on 04/30/2010 12:59:17
PM:

> Command line? Not that I'm aware of. 
> They do have an embedded web server that you can use to configure 
> the printer. So pull up the printer IP in your browser and poke it. 
>   
> Or just create a DHCP reservation for them. ;) 
>   
> From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:56 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015 
>   
> 
> Greetings! 
> 
> I am affilicted with a number of HP Laserjet 2015 network printers. 
> 
> Is there a command line by which I can: 
> 
> 1. Switch it from DHCP to static address? 
> 
> 2. Assign it a static address provided I know its MAC address? 
> 
> When these things decided to change IP addresses, it's a royal PITA 
> (including needing to re-boot m desktop machine to get the 
> management app to run) to change it back. 
> 
> Thanks...
> -- 
> Richard D. McClary 
> Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group 
> ASPCAR 
> 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 
> Urbana, IL  61802 
>   
> richardmccl...@aspca.org 
>   
> P: 217-337-9761 
> C: 217-417-1182 
> F: 217-337-9761 
> www.aspca.org 
>   
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Re: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:56 PM,   wrote:
> I am affilicted with a number of HP Laserjet 2015 network printers.

  We have a bunch.  Pray you never get a paper jam in the bypass tray
path.  (You have to strip the thing down to the main frame to get to
it.)

> Is there a command line by which I can:
> 1. Switch it from DHCP to static address?

  Command line?  Hmmm, you used to be able to Telnet to JetDirect
cards, but it appears that's not available anymore.  Only ports open
are HTTP, NetBIOS, LPR, and 9100.

  They are SNMP manageable.  You might be able to do something with an
SNMP command line tool.

  HP JetDirect Web Manager, or whatever it's called, had some
functionality for bulk changes, automation, and the like.  The thing
became so bloated I haven't used it in years, but it might be good for
you.

> When these things decided to change IP addresses, it's a royal PITA
> (including needing to re-boot m desktop machine to get the management app to
> run) to change it back.

  We used to use static addresses for all our printers, until we
discovered the P2015's have a distributing tendency to occasionally
spontaneously loose their NVRAM settings and revert to factory
defaults.

  Now use DHCP reservations for everything, so even when NVRAM is
lost, we can still find them at the correct IP address (and they
usually keep working in the meantime).

  You might go that route.

-- Ben

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RE: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015

[RichardMcClary]

OK, that works!

It took entirely too long to get the IP set back to what the server says 
its IP should be.  The HP crap says it would continue to get its IP 
"automatically".

The web GUI, though, shows that it is in fact "Manual IP".  Hope we can 
remember this next time one of these goes wandering off!

Thanks again...
--
richard

"Damien Solodow"  wrote on 04/30/2010 
12:59:17 PM:

> Command line? Not that I?m aware of.
> They do have an embedded web server that you can use to configure 
> the printer. So pull up the printer IP in your browser and poke it.
> 
> Or just create a DHCP reservation for them. ;)
> 
> From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:56 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015
> 
> 
> Greetings! 
> 
> I am affilicted with a number of HP Laserjet 2015 network printers. 
> 
> Is there a command line by which I can: 
> 
> 1. Switch it from DHCP to static address? 
> 
> 2. Assign it a static address provided I know its MAC address? 
> 
> When these things decided to change IP addresses, it's a royal PITA 
> (including needing to re-boot m desktop machine to get the 
> management app to run) to change it back. 
> 
> Thanks...
> -- 
> Richard D. McClary 
> Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group 
> ASPCA® 
> 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 
> Urbana, IL  61802 
> 
> richardmccl...@aspca.org 
> 
> P: 217-337-9761 
> C: 217-417-1182 
> F: 217-337-9761 
> www.aspca.org 
> 
> The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments 
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RE: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015

[Damien Solodow]

Command line? Not that I'm aware of.

They do have an embedded web server that you can use to configure the
printer. So pull up the printer IP in your browser and poke it.

 

Or just create a DHCP reservation for them. ;)

 

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015

 


Greetings! 

I am affilicted with a number of HP Laserjet 2015 network printers. 

Is there a command line by which I can: 

1. Switch it from DHCP to static address? 

2. Assign it a static address provided I know its MAC address? 

When these things decided to change IP addresses, it's a royal PITA
(including needing to re-boot m desktop machine to get the management
app to run) to change it back. 

Thanks...
-- 
Richard D. McClary 
Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group 
ASPCA(r) 
1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 
Urbana, IL  61802 
  
richardmccl...@aspca.org 
  
P: 217-337-9761 
C: 217-417-1182 
F: 217-337-9761 
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RE: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015

[Terry Dickson]

Not sure of a command line, but we have DHCP reservations  for our Printers so 
they always get the same IP.

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: #$*& HP Laserjet 2015


Greetings!

I am affilicted with a number of HP Laserjet 2015 network printers.

Is there a command line by which I can:

1. Switch it from DHCP to static address?

2. Assign it a static address provided I know its MAC address?

When these things decided to change IP addresses, it's a royal PITA (including 
needing to re-boot m desktop machine to get the management app to run) to 
change it back.

Thanks...
--
Richard D. McClary
Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group
ASPCA(r)
1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36
Urbana, IL  61802

richardmccl...@aspca.org

P: 217-337-9761
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#$*& HP Laserjet 2015

[RichardMcClary]

Greetings!

I am affilicted with a number of HP Laserjet 2015 network printers.

Is there a command line by which I can:

1. Switch it from DHCP to static address?

2. Assign it a static address provided I know its MAC address?

When these things decided to change IP addresses, it's a royal PITA 
(including needing to re-boot m desktop machine to get the management app 
to run) to change it back.

Thanks...
--
Richard D. McClary
Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group 
ASPCA®
1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36
Urbana, IL  61802
 
richardmccl...@aspca.org
 
P: 217-337-9761
C: 217-417-1182
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Re: PalmOS emulator (was: HP to buy Palm)

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> Seems like it would be slow on a handheld device...

  Handheld devices have come a long way.  The original Pilot had a 16
MHz CPU and 128 KB of storage.  My Centro has a 312 MHz CPU and 64 MB
of storage, and that's considered under-powered by many.

  And most modern[1] Palm devices are actually already running things
in an emulator.  They changed architecture from Motorola 68K to ARM.
Most Palm programs have not been recompiled.  The OS includes
functionality (named "PACE") which does transparent, on-the-fly
processor emulation.

[1] As modern as PalmOS gets, anyway.

-- Ben

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~   ~

RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Joseph L. Casale]

>  But can it *run* on XP, was my question.  :)

Yes

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RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Miguel Gonzalez]

There is a windows based tool called Drive XML

--- El vie, 30/4/10, Tim Evans  escribió:

> De: Tim Evans 
> Asunto: RE: Open source 'ghost' product?
> Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Fecha: viernes, 30 de abril, 2010 12:49
> I'm aware of tools like Ghost
> Explorer. The last time I looked at Ghost (which has been a
> few years, admittedly) it copied used blocks on drive.
> AFAIK, that what most imaging programs do. ImageX reads the
> file system, not the raw disk blocks. 
> 
> ...Tim
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:44 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Open source 'ghost' product?
> > 
> > Most of the imaging products I listed are "file based"
> then, as most
> > (or
> > all) of them will let you access the image and
> add/remove files...
> > 
> > Ghost included. Modern versions of Ghost include this
> thing called
> > "Ghost Explorer" that will let you open .gho files
> specifically for
> > the
> > purpose of manipulating the contents.
> > 
> > On 4/30/2010 11:16 AM, Tim Evans wrote:
> > > Imagex generates a file based image rather than a
> block based image
> > like ghost and the others do. You can mount an Imagex
> wim file and go
> > in and easily add/remove/replace files.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Phil Brutsche
> > p...@optimumdata.com
> > 
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
> resource hog! ~
> > ~  
> ~
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource
> hog! ~
> ~  
> ~
> 
> 


  

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~   ~

RE: Dell MD1000

[Brian Desmond]

I have about a dozen of them at a customer I'm working at right now - they've 
been fine for over a year now. Haven't touched them since I carved the raids.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Dell MD1000

Anyone have one (or more) of the Dell MD1000s?  Any comments, good or ill?

I'm thinking about creating a new file server and this is a relatively 
inexpensive option from a big vendor.

Thanks,
RS





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~   ~

RE: Current AD domain naming best practices

[Brian Desmond]

It doesn't really matter. There are basically three options:

foo.local
dfg.ca.gov
ad.dfg.ca.gov

The last two are my usual ones. The other thing I'll sometimes do is go use 
companyname.net for all internal stuff which I also like.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Current AD domain naming best practices

We are currently in the beginning phases of migrating from Novell e-Directory, 
to AD.  We are having discussions to decide on a new internal domain name.  I 
know that years ago, it was best practice to have a different internal domain 
name from your external domain name, which is what the Novell guy is holding 
onto, like a pitbull to a mailman's leg.  Is that still true today?  We are on 
private IPs internally, so external forces can't route to the inside anyway, so 
my thinking, and the other Windows admins, is that having the same FQDN 
internally would be ok.

TIA,

Joe


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~   ~

Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Andrew S. Baker]

Exactly.  And JavaFX, not that I'd use that.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker


On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:

> Silver Light.  Windows Phone 7.(also XNA).
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
> wrote:
> > And Silverlight, for that matter.
> > Even with HTML5, assuming rapid adoption, we'll still use plug-ins for a
> > while
> > -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Rod Trent 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Both Apple and Microsoft are on board with HTML5 – which eliminates the
> >> need Flash altogether.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
> >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:17 AM
> >>
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> He's talking about the browser.  Like Microsoft, Apple includes a bug
> >> report capability when an application crashes, so I believe that they
> know
> >> what they are talking about when they say Flash causes the crash
> (regardless
> >> of the Adobe CEO's dismissal of the notion).  As I understand it, this
> is
> >> the reason that Apple updated webkit/Safari to isolate plug-ins in their
> own
> >> process, so that when Flash crashed, it didn't take down the browser.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:12 AM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash
> >>
> >> Good read, not owning a mac (I use Intel hardware with free operating
> >> systems that aren’t resold for a fortuneJ )
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I was intrigued on the statement “Flash is the reason why macs crash.”
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Did he mean the browser tanking or literally “the mac”? Wow…
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:robbonfig...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:44 AM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: OT: Steve Jobs on Flash
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: PalmOS emulator (was: HP to buy Palm)

[Andrew S. Baker]

Seems like it would be slow on a handheld device...

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker


On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
>  wrote:
> > I think you mean "WebOS".  "PalmOS" was what they used on their Palm
> PDAs, and
> > on the early Treo phones.  Different critter altogether, although there
> is a
> > PalmOS emulator that runs inside WebOS now.
>
>  Has anyone here tried the PalmOS emulator, and care to comment?
> I've been using Palm for a decade, have spent several hundred dollars
> on software for it, have some apps I really like, and don't look
> forward to migrating.  If I had a good PalmOS emulator on a handheld,
> that would be a whole different ball game.  But most emulators I've
> used in the past really suck at "real world" applications.
>
>  For example, there's a PalmOS emulator for one of the Nokia tablets,
> but I'm told you basically have to manually start a VM and then do
> things.  Not really practically for a handheld calendar/reminder
> application.
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Friday Funny (on topic)

[Peter van Houten]

http://imagezoom.yellowgorilla.net

--
Peter van Houten


richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote:


Those of us in our late 50's will find this to be "illegible"

"David Mazzaccaro"  wrote on 04/30/2010
11:52:16 AM:


 For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"!
 http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg
 :)


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~   ~

Re: Friday Funny (on topic)

[Brian Richards]

You did click on it to enlarge?





From: "richardmccl...@aspca.org" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 12:57:00 PM
Subject: Re: Friday Funny (on topic)


Those of us in our late 50's will find this to be "illegible" 

"David Mazzaccaro"  wrote on 04/30/2010 
11:52:16 AM:

> For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"! 
> http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg 
> :) 
> 
> . 
>   
>   
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Re: Friday Funny (on topic)

[Jonathan Link]

That's what she said!

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Erik Goldoff  wrote:

>  I clicked on it and it enlarged
>
>
>
> *Erik Goldoff***
>
> *IT  Consultant*
>
> *Systems, Networks, & Security *
>
> '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
>
> *From:* richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 30, 2010 12:57 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Friday Funny (on topic)
>
>
>
>
> Those of us in our late 50's will find this to be "illegible"
>
> "David Mazzaccaro"  wrote on 04/30/2010
> 11:52:16 AM:
>
> > For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"!
> > http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg
> > :)
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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~   ~

Re: Friday Funny (on topic)

[Jonathan Link]

Or put on some darn glasses. :-)

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM,  wrote:

>
> Thanks, and it is all too familiar!
> --
> richard
>
> "John Aldrich"  wrote on 04/30/2010 11:58:52
> AM:
>
>
> > At least in FireFox, if you click on it, you can zoom a bit so that
> > it’s at least somewhat legible. J I’m in my mid-40’s and was unable
> > to read it until I zoomed.
>
> >
> > [image removed] [image removed]
>  >
> > From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org]
> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:57 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Friday Funny (on topic)
> >
> >
> > Those of us in our late 50's will find this to be "illegible"
> >
> > "David Mazzaccaro"  wrote on
> > 04/30/2010 11:52:16 AM:
> >
> > > For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"!
> > > http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg
> > > :)
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

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~   ~

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Mayo, Bill]

Sorry to disappoint, but I don't find your comments "hurtful".  I just find 
your constant need to insult and belittle people to be childish and annoying.  
If your arguments are as superior as you believe them to be, they can stand on 
their own.  There are a lot of different opinions on this list, but I don't see 
anybody else doing what you do.  Just state your opinion and keep the snide 
comments to yourself.

In regards to how you have diagnosed Apple's problems, were you using Macs at 
that time?  Working for Apple?  If not, then I submit you don't know what 
issues the company had or the folks that used Apple's products had (and thefore 
what caused people to leave the platform).  Personally, I have been using Macs 
(and PCs) for over 20 years, so I feel have some perspective.  Apple was doing 
serious software development for what was to be "Copland" that included all the 
buzzword-friendly features of the time; the problem they had was in trying to 
make it backwards compatible.  When Amelio brought in the software head from 
IBM (don't remember her name), she killed the project and set things in motion 
that would ultimately lead to Mac OS X.  But you are completely incorrect that 
Mac OS X was what turned Apple around.  Instead, it was the first iMac, which 
ran the "toy" OS.  It was YEARS before Mac OS X shipped, let alone became 
usable (with 10.1)--long after Apple was back in the black.

Nobody has said that third-party development tools makes features "go away".  
The point is that it is then up to the makers of those tools to support the new 
features.  Apple is saying that, in their history, those makers are slow to 
adapt those new features or do not adapt them at all.  If you make a 
cross-platform development tool, how many resources are you going to devote to 
implementing a feature that is only on one platform?  If the feature is not 
available in the development environment, it cannot be incorporated into the 
resulting application.  Therefore, it doesn't matter if the feature is 
available on the hardware/OS or not.

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Mayo, Bill  wrote:
> I will refrain from saying what I would like to say about your last 
> comment.  I will not stoop to your typical level of verbal abuse.

  If you really found the "Reality Distortion Field" remark hurtful, I 
apologize, and withdraw it.  However, I stand by the rest of my statements.

> They are requiring that you use their development tools, based on the 
> past experience that cross-platform development aimed at the Mac 
> nearly destroyed the company.  If you have followed the history, then 
> you would know that this is not fiction.

  I would call it fiction.

  The Mac fell behind was because they didn't do any significant software 
development for nearly a decade.  While even freaking
*Microsoft* was discovering security, preemptive multi-tasking, and memory 
protection, Apple was still trying to sell people their toy OS for a premium 
price.  So the rest of the world was introduced to things like reliable 
multimedia and video games, while apps on the Mac struggled to keep up. That 
also meant app developers found it harder and harder to support the Mac, so 
fewer and fewer apps were available.
 Even *Linux* was making better inroads against Microsoft than Apple, and this 
was back when people still sometimes had to write X11 mode lines by hand.

  Apple turned around with the release of an OS that could keep up with modern 
usage, and started producing software that people actually wanted to use.

  It's not like third-party development tools aren't available for Mac OS X.  
It's a BSD Unix underneath the pretty GUI; you can install and run whatever you 
want.  Heck, might it even ship with GCC?  If third-party development tools are 
the cause of Apple's downfall, why are they succeeding like never before, now 
that it's actually *easier* to build *ugly old Unix apps* for the Mac platform?

> I am not sure why it is hard to understand that there is a competitive 
> advantage in having more advanced features than the competition.

  Allowing third-party development tools (cross-platform *or not*) does not 
make those features go away.

  I find the idea that the use of third-party development tools would cause the 
iPhone's features to become unavailable absolutely ludicrous.

  If you think that means I'm calling you a moron, so be it.

-- Ben

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  ~




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~   ~

Re: Friday Funny (on topic)

[Sherry Abercrombie]

Mid-40's here too, but thanks to lasik eye surgery, had no problems reading.

Looks very familiar..LOL

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:58 AM, John Aldrich  wrote:

>  At least in FireFox, if you click on it, you can zoom a bit so that it’s
> at least somewhat legible. J I’m in my mid-40’s and was unable to read it
> until I zoomed.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>
>
>
> *From:* richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 30, 2010 12:57 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Friday Funny (on topic)
>
>
>
>
> Those of us in our late 50's will find this to be "illegible"
>
> "David Mazzaccaro"  wrote on 04/30/2010
> 11:52:16 AM:
>
> > For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"!
> > http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg
> > :)
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>


-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Tim Evans]

I've never tried to run it on XP, I've always run it from WinPE 2.0

Yes, it is more like Zip than dd. I haven't dug into the details, but I've had 
no problem restoring bootable images (WinXP or Win7) and having them be 
bootable. You don't want to use ImageX for forensic purposes.

...Tim


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Open source 'ghost' product?

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
>>   Is ImageX available for Windows XP?
>
> ImageX will capture XP disk images.

  But can it *run* on XP, was my question.  :)

  Our plan is to begin the move to Win 6.x in late 2011 or early 2012.

>>   That statement worries me.  What does ImageX actually do if it's not
>> a "true image"?
>
> I believe the thinking is "the only true image is a dd dump". ImageX
> gets everything that Ghost and Acronis TrueImage and DriveImage XML and
>  does.

  Hmmm.

  I keep reading or being told that "ImageX is file based", but it
isn't clear to me what that actually means.  Does it mean ImageX is
more like a ZIP or tar.gz archive than a block-level disk image?  In
particular, when an ImageX image is written to disk, will blocks be
restored to the same logical address on disk?  That can matter for
some things (such as boot files).  How much it matters these days, I
don't know.  It *used* to matter quite a bit for Windows' boot
infrastructure, but I haven't looked at the problem since the 1990s,
so things could well have changed.  It matters for Linux in some cases
(which I'll spare you all the details of).

  Many disk imaging tools are filesystem-aware, which means while they
work at the block level, they're smart enough not to bother storing
unallocated disk blocks.  This will significantly reduce image size
and time.  So there is at least one useful point between "dd" and
"XCOPY".  :)

  (Imaging all blocks can be useful for forensic purposes, though.
Sometimes there is important data in unallocated blocks.  But I
digress.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Friday Funny (on topic)

[Damien Solodow]

That's what she said...

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Friday Funny (on topic)

 

I clicked on it and it enlarged

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Friday Funny (on topic)

 


Those of us in our late 50's will find this to be "illegible" 

"David Mazzaccaro"  wrote on 04/30/2010
11:52:16 AM:

> For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"! 
> http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg 
> :) 
> 
> . 
>   
>   

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Friday Funny (on topic)

[Steven M. Caesare]

Cybersex has gone too far.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Friday Funny (on topic)

 

I clicked on it and it enlarged

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Friday Funny (on topic)

 


Those of us in our late 50's will find this to be "illegible" 

"David Mazzaccaro"  wrote on 04/30/2010
11:52:16 AM:

> For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"! 
> http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg 
> :) 
> 
> . 
>   
>   

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Friday Funny (on topic)

[RichardMcClary]

Thanks, and it is all too familiar!
--
richard

"John Aldrich"  wrote on 04/30/2010 11:58:52 
AM:

> At least in FireFox, if you click on it, you can zoom a bit so that 
> it?s at least somewhat legible. J I?m in my mid-40?s and was unable 
> to read it until I zoomed.
> 
> [image removed] [image removed] 
> 
> From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:57 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Friday Funny (on topic)
> 
> 
> Those of us in our late 50's will find this to be "illegible" 
> 
> "David Mazzaccaro"  wrote on 
> 04/30/2010 11:52:16 AM:
> 
> > For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"! 
> > http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg 
> > :) 
> > 
> > . 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Steven M. Caesare]

Correct.

 

And there are some licensing issues that complicate matters.

 

-sc

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

Well, HTML5 doesn't provide the complete rich experience that either
Flash or Silverlight do. Granted, it goes a long way down that path...

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

And Silverlight, for that matter.

 

Even with HTML5, assuming rapid adoption, we'll still use plug-ins for a
while


-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Rod Trent 
wrote:

Both Apple and Microsoft are on board with HTML5 - which eliminates the
need Flash altogether.

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:17 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

He's talking about the browser.  Like Microsoft, Apple includes a bug
report capability when an application crashes, so I believe that they
know what they are talking about when they say Flash causes the crash
(regardless of the Adobe CEO's dismissal of the notion).  As I
understand it, this is the reason that Apple updated webkit/Safari to
isolate plug-ins in their own process, so that when Flash crashed, it
didn't take down the browser.

 



From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

Good read, not owning a mac (I use Intel hardware with free operating
systems that aren't resold for a fortune:-) )

 

I was intrigued on the statement "Flash is the reason why macs crash."

 

Did he mean the browser tanking or literally "the mac"? Wow...

 

From: Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:robbonfig...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Friday Funny (on topic)

[Erik Goldoff]

I clicked on it and it enlarged

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Friday Funny (on topic)

 


Those of us in our late 50's will find this to be "illegible" 

"David Mazzaccaro"  wrote on 04/30/2010
11:52:16 AM:

> For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"! 
> http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg 
> :) 
> 
> . 
>   
>   

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Friday Funny (on topic)

[Don Guyer]

All too familiar!

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com  

 

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Friday Funny (on topic)

 

For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"! 
http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg   

:) 


.

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Friday Funny (on topic)

[John Aldrich]

At least in FireFox, if you click on it, you can zoom a bit so that it's at
least somewhat legible. J I'm in my mid-40's and was unable to read it until
I zoomed.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Friday Funny (on topic)

 


Those of us in our late 50's will find this to be "illegible" 

"David Mazzaccaro"  wrote on 04/30/2010
11:52:16 AM:

> For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"! 
> http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg 
> :) 
> 
> . 
>   
>   

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Michael B. Smith]

Well, HTML5 doesn't provide the complete rich experience that either Flash or 
Silverlight do. Granted, it goes a long way down that path...

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

And Silverlight, for that matter.

Even with HTML5, assuming rapid adoption, we'll still use plug-ins for a while

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Both Apple and Microsoft are on board with HTML5 - which eliminates the need 
Flash altogether.

From: Mayo, Bill 
[mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:17 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

He's talking about the browser.  Like Microsoft, Apple includes a bug report 
capability when an application crashes, so I believe that they know what they 
are talking about when they say Flash causes the crash (regardless of the Adobe 
CEO's dismissal of the notion).  As I understand it, this is the reason that 
Apple updated webkit/Safari to isolate plug-ins in their own process, so that 
when Flash crashed, it didn't take down the browser.


From: Joseph L. Casale 
[mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash
Good read, not owning a mac (I use Intel hardware with free operating systems 
that aren't resold for a fortune:) )

I was intrigued on the statement "Flash is the reason why macs crash."

Did he mean the browser tanking or literally "the mac"? Wow...

From: Rob Bonfiglio 
[mailto:robbonfig...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Steve Jobs on Flash

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/






















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Steven Peck]

Silver Light.  Windows Phone 7.(also XNA).

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> And Silverlight, for that matter.
> Even with HTML5, assuming rapid adoption, we'll still use plug-ins for a
> while
> -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>>
>> Both Apple and Microsoft are on board with HTML5 – which eliminates the
>> need Flash altogether.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:17 AM
>>
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash
>>
>>
>>
>> He's talking about the browser.  Like Microsoft, Apple includes a bug
>> report capability when an application crashes, so I believe that they know
>> what they are talking about when they say Flash causes the crash (regardless
>> of the Adobe CEO's dismissal of the notion).  As I understand it, this is
>> the reason that Apple updated webkit/Safari to isolate plug-ins in their own
>> process, so that when Flash crashed, it didn't take down the browser.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:12 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash
>>
>> Good read, not owning a mac (I use Intel hardware with free operating
>> systems that aren’t resold for a fortuneJ )
>>
>>
>>
>> I was intrigued on the statement “Flash is the reason why macs crash.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Did he mean the browser tanking or literally “the mac”? Wow…
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:robbonfig...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:44 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: OT: Steve Jobs on Flash
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Friday Funny (on topic)

[RichardMcClary]

Those of us in our late 50's will find this to be "illegible"

"David Mazzaccaro"  wrote on 04/30/2010 
11:52:16 AM:

> For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"! 
> http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg 
> :) 
> 
> .
> 
> 
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Friday Funny (on topic)

[David Mazzaccaro]

For many of us, I am going to assume this is very much "on topic"!
http://i.imgur.com/OiEyM.jpg

:)

.
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Andrew S. Baker]

And Silverlight, for that matter.

Even with HTML5, assuming rapid adoption, we'll still use plug-ins for a
while

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker


On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Both Apple and Microsoft are on board with HTML5 – which eliminates the
> need Flash altogether.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 30, 2010 10:17 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Steve Jobs on Flash
>
>
>
> He's talking about the browser.  Like Microsoft, Apple includes a bug
> report capability when an application crashes, so I believe that they know
> what they are talking about when they say Flash causes the crash (regardless
> of the Adobe CEO's dismissal of the notion).  As I understand it, this is
> the reason that Apple updated webkit/Safari to isolate plug-ins in their own
> process, so that when Flash crashed, it didn't take down the browser.
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 30, 2010 10:12 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Steve Jobs on Flash
>
> Good read, not owning a mac (I use Intel hardware with free operating
> systems that aren’t resold for a fortuneJ )
>
>
>
> I was intrigued on the statement “Flash is the reason why macs crash.”
>
>
>
> Did he mean the browser tanking or literally “the mac”? Wow…
>
>
>
> *From:* Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:robbonfig...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 30, 2010 5:44 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT: Steve Jobs on Flash
>
>
>
> http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Tim Evans]

I'm aware of tools like Ghost Explorer. The last time I looked at Ghost (which 
has been a few years, admittedly) it copied used blocks on drive. AFAIK, that 
what most imaging programs do. ImageX reads the file system, not the raw disk 
blocks. 

...Tim

> -Original Message-
> From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Open source 'ghost' product?
> 
> Most of the imaging products I listed are "file based" then, as most
> (or
> all) of them will let you access the image and add/remove files...
> 
> Ghost included. Modern versions of Ghost include this thing called
> "Ghost Explorer" that will let you open .gho files specifically for
> the
> purpose of manipulating the contents.
> 
> On 4/30/2010 11:16 AM, Tim Evans wrote:
> > Imagex generates a file based image rather than a block based image
> like ghost and the others do. You can mount an Imagex wim file and go
> in and easily add/remove/replace files.
> 
> --
> 
> Phil Brutsche
> p...@optimumdata.com
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Kennedy, Jim]

I would assume either the HTC or the Motorola if he is on VZW. He will be fine 
with 2.2.



-Original Message-
From: Jeramey Valley [mailto:vall...@bcreek.k12.mi.us] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

Thanks, same stuff I found. Skyfire is a proxy agent that will convert Flash 
video to something else but does not otherwise give any Flash support to the 
device. The rest is "announced" but not "available".

Hopefully Android 2.2 will actually run on his Droid (VZW) and Flash will 
actually run on _that_ once both are released.


At 12:25 PM -0400 4/30/10, Kennedy, Jim wrote:
>May 19th it will download itself, it will be in 2.2.
>
>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2363274,00.asp
>
>
>If you need it sooner fire up Skyfire as the browser.
>
>http://www.appscout.com/2010/04/skyfire_releases_android_brows.php?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Jeramey Valley [mailto:vall...@bcreek.k12.mi.us]
>Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:21 PM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash
>
>Please include a link where I can download Flash for my existing 
>Android phone or order such an Android Phone itself. Last check, 
>there was no shipping "mobile" Flash, nor anyway to use it with 
>Android.
>
>Have a first-gen Droid User here that really could benefit from it.
>
>At 10:27 AM -0400 4/30/10, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
>  >

-- 

Regards,

Jeramey Valley
vall...@bcreek.k12.mi.us
Network Manager
Bullock Creek Schools

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Jeramey Valley]

Thanks, same stuff I found. Skyfire is a proxy agent that will 
convert Flash video to something else but does not otherwise give any 
Flash support to the device. The rest is "announced" but not 
"available".


Hopefully Android 2.2 will actually run on his Droid (VZW) and Flash 
will actually run on _that_ once both are released.



At 12:25 PM -0400 4/30/10, Kennedy, Jim wrote:

May 19th it will download itself, it will be in 2.2.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2363274,00.asp


If you need it sooner fire up Skyfire as the browser.

http://www.appscout.com/2010/04/skyfire_releases_android_brows.php?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


-Original Message-
From: Jeramey Valley [mailto:vall...@bcreek.k12.mi.us]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

Please include a link where I can download Flash for my existing 
Android phone or order such an Android Phone itself. Last check, 
there was no shipping "mobile" Flash, nor anyway to use it with 
Android.


Have a first-gen Droid User here that really could benefit from it.

At 10:27 AM -0400 4/30/10, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
 >


--

Regards,

Jeramey Valley
vall...@bcreek.k12.mi.us
Network Manager
Bullock Creek Schools

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Sean Rector]

The Droid Incredible is doing a pretty good job of handling flash - and
not just Flash Lite...

Sean Rector, MCSE

-Original Message-
From: Jeramey Valley [mailto:vall...@bcreek.k12.mi.us] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

Please include a link where I can download Flash for my existing Android
phone or order such an Android Phone itself. Last check, there was no
shipping "mobile" Flash, nor anyway to use it with Android.

Have a first-gen Droid User here that really could benefit from it.

At 10:27 AM -0400 4/30/10, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
>


-- 

Regards,

Jeramey Valley
vall...@bcreek.k12.mi.us
Network Manager
Bullock Creek Schools

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Re: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Phil Brutsche]

Most of the imaging products I listed are "file based" then, as most (or
all) of them will let you access the image and add/remove files...

Ghost included. Modern versions of Ghost include this thing called
"Ghost Explorer" that will let you open .gho files specifically for the
purpose of manipulating the contents.

On 4/30/2010 11:16 AM, Tim Evans wrote:
> Imagex generates a file based image rather than a block based image like 
> ghost and the others do. You can mount an Imagex wim file and go in and 
> easily add/remove/replace files.

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> The graphic was more along the lines the companies are taking I think...
> Google is working hard to bring it, Apple is saying "No way".

  I liked FoxTrot's version better:

http://www.foxtrot.com/2010/03/03212010/

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
>>   Is ImageX available for Windows XP?
>
> ImageX will capture XP disk images.

  But can it *run* on XP, was my question.  :)

  Our plan is to begin the move to Win 6.x in late 2011 or early 2012.

>>   That statement worries me.  What does ImageX actually do if it's not
>> a "true image"?
>
> I believe the thinking is "the only true image is a dd dump". ImageX
> gets everything that Ghost and Acronis TrueImage and DriveImage XML and
>  does.

  Hmmm.

  I keep reading or being told that "ImageX is file based", but it
isn't clear to me what that actually means.  Does it mean ImageX is
more like a ZIP or tar.gz archive than a block-level disk image?  In
particular, when an ImageX image is written to disk, will blocks be
restored to the same logical address on disk?  That can matter for
some things (such as boot files).  How much it matters these days, I
don't know.  It *used* to matter quite a bit for Windows' boot
infrastructure, but I haven't looked at the problem since the 1990s,
so things could well have changed.  It matters for Linux in some cases
(which I'll spare you all the details of).

  Many disk imaging tools are filesystem-aware, which means while they
work at the block level, they're smart enough not to bother storing
unallocated disk blocks.  This will significantly reduce image size
and time.  So there is at least one useful point between "dd" and
"XCOPY".  :)

  (Imaging all blocks can be useful for forensic purposes, though.
Sometimes there is important data in unallocated blocks.  But I
digress.)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Steven M. Caesare]

There's an alternate browser with it now (Skyfire?), and it's coming for
Android with 2.2.

The graphic was more along the lines the companies are taking I think...
Google is working hard to bring it, Apple is saying "No way".

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Jeramey Valley [mailto:vall...@bcreek.k12.mi.us]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:21 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash
> 
> Please include a link where I can download Flash for my existing
Android
> phone or order such an Android Phone itself. Last check, there was no
> shipping "mobile" Flash, nor anyway to use it with Android.
> 
> Have a first-gen Droid User here that really could benefit from it.
> 
> At 10:27 AM -0400 4/30/10, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
> >
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jeramey Valley
> vall...@bcreek.k12.mi.us
> Network Manager
> Bullock Creek Schools
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Kennedy, Jim]

May 19th it will download itself, it will be in 2.2.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2363274,00.asp


If you need it sooner fire up Skyfire as the browser.

http://www.appscout.com/2010/04/skyfire_releases_android_brows.php?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


-Original Message-
From: Jeramey Valley [mailto:vall...@bcreek.k12.mi.us] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

Please include a link where I can download Flash for my existing Android phone 
or order such an Android Phone itself. Last check, there was no shipping 
"mobile" Flash, nor anyway to use it with Android.

Have a first-gen Droid User here that really could benefit from it.

At 10:27 AM -0400 4/30/10, Steven M. Caesare wrote:
>


-- 

Regards,

Jeramey Valley
vall...@bcreek.k12.mi.us
Network Manager
Bullock Creek Schools

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Mayo, Bill  wrote:
> I will refrain from saying what I would like to say about your last
> comment.  I will not stoop to your typical level of verbal abuse.

  If you really found the "Reality Distortion Field" remark hurtful, I
apologize, and withdraw it.  However, I stand by the rest of my
statements.

> They are requiring that you use their development tools, based on
> the past experience that cross-platform development aimed at the
> Mac nearly destroyed the company.  If you have followed the history,
> then you would know that this is not fiction.

  I would call it fiction.

  The Mac fell behind was because they didn't do any significant
software development for nearly a decade.  While even freaking
*Microsoft* was discovering security, preemptive multi-tasking, and
memory protection, Apple was still trying to sell people their toy OS
for a premium price.  So the rest of the world was introduced to
things like reliable multimedia and video games, while apps on the Mac
struggled to keep up. That also meant app developers found it harder
and harder to support the Mac, so fewer and fewer apps were available.
 Even *Linux* was making better inroads against Microsoft than Apple,
and this was back when people still sometimes had to write X11 mode
lines by hand.

  Apple turned around with the release of an OS that could keep up
with modern usage, and started producing software that people actually
wanted to use.

  It's not like third-party development tools aren't available for Mac
OS X.  It's a BSD Unix underneath the pretty GUI; you can install and
run whatever you want.  Heck, might it even ship with GCC?  If
third-party development tools are the cause of Apple's downfall, why
are they succeeding like never before, now that it's actually *easier*
to build *ugly old Unix apps* for the Mac platform?

> I am not sure why it is hard to understand that there is a competitive
> advantage in having more advanced features than the competition.

  Allowing third-party development tools (cross-platform *or not*)
does not make those features go away.

  I find the idea that the use of third-party development tools would
cause the iPhone's features to become unavailable absolutely
ludicrous.

  If you think that means I'm calling you a moron, so be it.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Jeramey Valley]

Please include a link where I can download Flash for my existing 
Android phone or order such an Android Phone itself. Last check, 
there was no shipping "mobile" Flash, nor anyway to use it with 
Android.


Have a first-gen Droid User here that really could benefit from it.

At 10:27 AM -0400 4/30/10, Steven M. Caesare wrote:





--

Regards,

Jeramey Valley
vall...@bcreek.k12.mi.us
Network Manager
Bullock Creek Schools

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Tim Evans]

Imagex generates a file based image rather than a block based image like ghost 
and the others do. You can mount an Imagex wim file and go in and easily 
add/remove/replace files.

...Tim


-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Open source 'ghost' product?

On 4/30/2010 11:03 AM, Ben Scott wrote:
>> Aside from ghost (which pretty well is flawless) the next best "free"
>> thing is probably imagex properly configured for _windows_.
> 
>   Is ImageX available for Windows XP?

ImageX will capture XP disk images. You don't get all the fancy
deployment image servicing features you get with with NT6.0+ though (ie
add drivers directly to image, slipstream .msu packages directly into
image).

>   That statement worries me.  What does ImageX actually do if it's not
> a "true image"?

I believe the thinking is "the only true image is a dd dump". ImageX
gets everything that Ghost and Acronis TrueImage and DriveImage XML and
 does.

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Phil Brutsche]

On 4/30/2010 11:03 AM, Ben Scott wrote:
>> Aside from ghost (which pretty well is flawless) the next best "free"
>> thing is probably imagex properly configured for _windows_.
> 
>   Is ImageX available for Windows XP?

ImageX will capture XP disk images. You don't get all the fancy
deployment image servicing features you get with with NT6.0+ though (ie
add drivers directly to image, slipstream .msu packages directly into
image).

>   That statement worries me.  What does ImageX actually do if it's not
> a "true image"?

I believe the thinking is "the only true image is a dd dump". ImageX
gets everything that Ghost and Acronis TrueImage and DriveImage XML and
 does.

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Joseph L. Casale
 wrote:
> Easy on that reco, partimage support for ntfs is far from perfect.
> In fact, you can't go down in size when cloning a partition.

  I've never had a problem with partimage.  I've also never had a need
to downsize an image, though.  But then, going to a *smaller* hard
disk is pretty rare.

> Aside from ghost (which pretty well is flawless) the next best "free"
> thing is probably imagex properly configured for _windows_.

  Is ImageX available for Windows XP?

> Its faster than dd ...

  Using dd or other programs which are not aware of the filesystem you
are using will always be much slower, since

> It's just not a true "image", if that matters.

  That statement worries me.  What does ImageX actually do if it's not
a "true image"?

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Windows Vista licensing question

[Phil Brutsche]

No, any XP Pro disk from any OptiPlex, Precision, Dimension, Latitude,
or Inspiron will "work". The biggest thing you need to worry about is
having a Dell XP Pro install disk that has the AHCI drivers integrated.

You should have gotten a suitable CD with that OptiPlex. If not, I have
ISO images I can share.

On 4/30/2010 9:38 AM, Jonathan Link wrote:
> When you say Optiplex restory disks, you mean the ones that came with
> that specific machine, right?

-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Carl Houseman]

But DIXML is free for private use, not commercial.

I mentioned earlier this week Todo Backup, free for any use.
www.todo-backup.com

Carl

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Open source 'ghost' product?

Bill,

I just used DriveImage XML this past weekend, and it was extremely easy to
use.  Recovery is done through a UBCD.  Can save the image as one file, or
break it down to CD-size chunks, for off-disk storage...

>>> "Bill Lambert"  4/30/2010 7:55 AM >>>
I need to image a machine quickly and I don't have Ghost (yet).  Is
there an open source product that you can recommend?

 

Thanks, all.

 

Bill Lambert

Windows System Administrator

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Re: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Joseph Heaton]

Bill,

I just used DriveImage XML this past weekend, and it was extremely easy to use. 
 Recovery is done through a UBCD.  Can save the image as one file, or break it 
down to CD-size chunks, for off-disk storage...

>>> "Bill Lambert"  4/30/2010 7:55 AM >>>
I need to image a machine quickly and I don't have Ghost (yet).  Is
there an open source product that you can recommend?

 

Thanks, all.

 

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Windows System Administrator

Concuity

Phone  847-941-9206

Fax  847-465-9147

 

 

 

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RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Mayo, Bill]

Kind as always, Ben.  I think you should check some of your recent posts
with the part about "actually reading".  The issue I am addressing
specifically is the recent change to the app store developer agreement
that says you can't use cross-compiler programs for submitted
applications.  Apple doesn't prevent anyone from downloading their
development tools and using them, not even Adobe.  They are requiring
that you use their development tools, based on the past experience that
cross-platform development aimed at the Mac nearly destroyed the
company.  If you have followed the history, then you would know that
this is not fiction.  This is not to say that crappy 3rd party
applications is the only reason that Apple nearly went out of business,
but it was a huge one.  I am not sure why it is hard to understand that
there is a competitive advantage in having more advanced features than
the competition.

I will refrain from saying what I would like to say about your last
comment.  I will not stoop to your typical level of verbal abuse.  But
do repeat after me: If you don't agree with Ben, you are a moron.

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Mayo, Bill 
wrote:
> It is also true that a key differentiator for these devices is that 
> they are rapidly adding new features/functions and if developers are 
> using cross platform environments, it is a perfectly valid point that 
> those applications will not take advantage of the new features.

  That's rich.  Apple doesn't allow others access to their stuff because
they might not use it.

  Check with a health professional.  I think you are suffering from
exposure to a Reality Distortion Field.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Joseph L. Casale]

>  I use partimage.  It is NTFS-aware and won't image empty space.
>Available as a Linux utility, and also included on the bootable
>SystemRescueCD.  http://www.sysresccd.org/

Easy on that reco, partimage support for ntfs is far from perfect.
In fact, you can't go down in size when cloning a partition.

Aside from ghost (which pretty well is flawless) the next best "free"
thing is probably imagex properly configured for _windows_.

Its faster than dd, and allows you the flexibility all
the rest don't. It's just not a true "image", if that matters.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Mayo, Bill  wrote:
> It is also true that a key differentiator for these devices is that
> they are rapidly adding new features/functions and if developers are using
> cross platform environments, it is a perfectly valid point that those
> applications will not take advantage of the new features.

  That's rich.  Apple doesn't allow others access to their stuff
because they might not use it.

  Check with a health professional.  I think you are suffering from
exposure to a Reality Distortion Field.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Steven M. Caesare]

I'm with you on Adobe. I have no delusions that Adobe is noble (or even
not downright stupid in some cases).

 

Nonetheless, just about everything about the iPhone experience can be
enabled by default, and the 99.9 who simply want the cool streamlined
experience get to keep it. The App store can have a "Apple Sanctioned"
section that meets all of the developer guidelines, and then people who
opt to get apps elsewhere run the risk.

 

It's the "We can't" stuff that's BS.

 

-sc

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

I am also a Mac user and an iPhone user.  While I agree that Jobs is a
bit of a "character" (to put it nicely), I believe all the points that
he makes in the open letter are valid.  It is a complete joke that Adobe
claims Flash is "open"; it's kind of like saying that Windows is "open"
because it is so prevalent. The ironic thing about that whole
Apple/Adobe feud is that Adobe is around because of the Mac market.  It
wasn't until Apple had their "near death experience" that Adobe really
started selling applications to Windows users.  While you can't fault
Adobe for shifting their focus at that point, the reality is that they
did, and their Mac products have suffered for it.

 

As for the logic in prohibiting cross-platform development tools, this
very thing was a large reason that Apple had their "near death
experience" in the first place.  Back when Apple relied on 3rd parties
to provide the development environment, folks started making these
cross-platform compilers, and what you got were all these hideous,
non-Mac like programs that ran like crap on the Mac--the most notable of
which was Office.  It didn't matter if Apple added all kinds of all cool
things to the OS if these development environments didn't support it.

 

As for the part about not running what you want on your own hardware, I
would just point out that the iPhone/et al are very different from the
Mac.  As has been discussed here numerous times, Mac OS X is based on
BSD Unix, and you can compile and run any number of open source programs
and can buy/download any application and run it.  You can debate the
merits of the different approach (and the reasons) they have with the
iPhone, but I think there is an important distinction to be made there.
Apple is not targeting folks like many people on this list with this
device.  Your Joe Average user just wants something that works and the
app store model suits that very well.  It is also true that a key
differentiator for these devices is that they are rapidly adding new
features/functions and if developers are using cross platform
environments, it is a perfectly valid point that those applications will
not take advantage of the new features.  If the applications don't take
advantage of the new features, then the differentiation factor between
the iPhone and other devices begins to fade.  In other words, Apple is
doing what is best for Apple (at least in their judgment, you might not
agree).  I don't know of any other company that operates any
differently.

 

As for me, I wish that they wouldn't do some of the things that they do,
but the positives of the iPhone still far outweigh any negatives for me.
That is obviously true for a whole lot of people, as Apple apparently
was the number 1 cell phone provider last quarter (edging out Motorola
for the first time ever).

 



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

And was completed when they changed their name to just "Apple".

 

-sc

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

That ship sailed long ago, when Woz was marginalized and the Mac became
a reality.

 

Note: I am a Mac user, an iPhone owner and I recognize the limitations
and strengths of both platforms.  I'm in my bootcamp partition more than
I'm in OS X, except when I'm working with photos or video.

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

We were talking about this on the fun^h^h^h^h^h^h another list.

 

Jobs is a megalomaniac. The notion that I can't run what I want on my
own hardware I bought is the very antithesis of where Apple started.

 

 

 

-sc

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

He's talking about the browser.  Like Microsoft, Apple includes a bug
report capability when an application crashes, so I believe that they
know what they are talking about when they say Flash causes the crash
(regardless of the Adobe CEO's dismissal of the notion).  As I
understand it, this is the reason that Apple updated webkit/Safari to
isolate plug-ins in their own 

RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

[John Aldrich]

http://g4l.sourceforge.net (Ghost 4 Linux) is good. OTOH, someone already
mentioned Partimage from System Rescue CD. That would be very good as well.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Bill Lambert [mailto:blamb...@concuity.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Open source 'ghost' product?

 

I need to image a machine quickly and I don't have Ghost (yet).  Is there an
open source product that you can recommend?

 

Thanks, all.

 

Bill Lambert

Windows System Administrator

Concuity

Phone  847-941-9206

Fax  847-465-9147

ConcuityLogoSmall3-29-10

 

 

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RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Mayo, Bill]

I am also a Mac user and an iPhone user.  While I agree that Jobs is a
bit of a "character" (to put it nicely), I believe all the points that
he makes in the open letter are valid.  It is a complete joke that Adobe
claims Flash is "open"; it's kind of like saying that Windows is "open"
because it is so prevalent. The ironic thing about that whole
Apple/Adobe feud is that Adobe is around because of the Mac market.  It
wasn't until Apple had their "near death experience" that Adobe really
started selling applications to Windows users.  While you can't fault
Adobe for shifting their focus at that point, the reality is that they
did, and their Mac products have suffered for it.
 
As for the logic in prohibiting cross-platform development tools, this
very thing was a large reason that Apple had their "near death
experience" in the first place.  Back when Apple relied on 3rd parties
to provide the development environment, folks started making these
cross-platform compilers, and what you got were all these hideous,
non-Mac like programs that ran like crap on the Mac--the most notable of
which was Office.  It didn't matter if Apple added all kinds of all cool
things to the OS if these development environments didn't support it.
 
As for the part about not running what you want on your own hardware, I
would just point out that the iPhone/et al are very different from the
Mac.  As has been discussed here numerous times, Mac OS X is based on
BSD Unix, and you can compile and run any number of open source programs
and can buy/download any application and run it.  You can debate the
merits of the different approach (and the reasons) they have with the
iPhone, but I think there is an important distinction to be made there.
Apple is not targeting folks like many people on this list with this
device.  Your Joe Average user just wants something that works and the
app store model suits that very well.  It is also true that a key
differentiator for these devices is that they are rapidly adding new
features/functions and if developers are using cross platform
environments, it is a perfectly valid point that those applications will
not take advantage of the new features.  If the applications don't take
advantage of the new features, then the differentiation factor between
the iPhone and other devices begins to fade.  In other words, Apple is
doing what is best for Apple (at least in their judgment, you might not
agree).  I don't know of any other company that operates any
differently.
 
As for me, I wish that they wouldn't do some of the things that they do,
but the positives of the iPhone still far outweigh any negatives for me.
That is obviously true for a whole lot of people, as Apple apparently
was the number 1 cell phone provider last quarter (edging out Motorola
for the first time ever).



From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash



And was completed when they changed their name to just "Apple".

 

-sc

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

That ship sailed long ago, when Woz was marginalized and the Mac became
a reality.

 

Note: I am a Mac user, an iPhone owner and I recognize the limitations
and strengths of both platforms.  I'm in my bootcamp partition more than
I'm in OS X, except when I'm working with photos or video.

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

We were talking about this on the fun^h^h^h^h^h^h another list.

 

Jobs is a megalomaniac. The notion that I can't run what I want on my
own hardware I bought is the very antithesis of where Apple started.

 

 

-sc

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

He's talking about the browser.  Like Microsoft, Apple includes a bug
report capability when an application crashes, so I believe that they
know what they are talking about when they say Flash causes the crash
(regardless of the Adobe CEO's dismissal of the notion).  As I
understand it, this is the reason that Apple updated webkit/Safari to
isolate plug-ins in their own process, so that when Flash crashed, it
didn't take down the browser.

 



From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

Good read, not owning a mac (I use Intel hardware with free operating
systems that aren't resold for a fortune:-) )

 

I was intrigued on the statement "Flash is the reason why macs crash."

 

Did he mean the browser tanking or literally "the mac"? Wow...

 

From: Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:robbonfig...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject

Re: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Bill Lambert  wrote:
> I need to image a machine quickly and I don’t have Ghost (yet).
> Is there an open source product that you can recommend?

  I use partimage.  It is NTFS-aware and won't image empty space.
Available as a Linux utility, and also included on the bootable
SystemRescueCD.  http://www.sysresccd.org/

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Charles Whitby]

http://ping.windowsdream.com/

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Bill Lambert wrote:

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RE: Open source 'ghost' product?

[Crawford, Scott]

clonezilla

 

From: Bill Lambert [mailto:blamb...@concuity.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:56 AM
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Subject: Open source 'ghost' product?

 

I need to image a machine quickly and I don't have Ghost (yet).  Is
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Open source 'ghost' product?

[Bill Lambert]

I need to image a machine quickly and I don't have Ghost (yet).  Is
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RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

[Steven M. Caesare]

In Ken's defense, although we think of RT in terms of "to the remote
machine and back", it was not uncommon for the term within the satellite
industry to mean up to the bird and back down.

Particularly as early implementations were asymmetrical in that the head
end would talk to the remote node via the sat, but the remote replies
came back via analog modem. This you often spoke of each leg of the
communication individually...

But ya, I get what you mean.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:48 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?
> 
> With all due respect, why would I care about to the satellite and
back, I do
> NOT ever communicate with the satellite.  I do not know of ANY VSAT
> customer that communicates with the satellite that would define round
trip
> as did you.
> 
> 
> My round trip is to the node I communicate with.  I though that would
be
> obvious within the context of the discussion ...
> 
> 
> 
> Erik Goldoff
> IT  Consultant
> Systems, Networks, & Security
> 
> '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:40 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?
> 
> It depends on how you define "round trip". I was thinking in terms of
a round
> trip meaning to the satellite and back. But, you are correct in that a
ping
> packet would travel 100,000 miles "round trip" from client to host to
client.
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~

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Re: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Jay Dale  wrote:
> Here’s a quick lowdown of the article:
>
> Jobs: We're a closed system using open standards.
> Adobe: Were an open system using closed standards.

  I view this situation as:

Jobs says: We're open and rock; Adobe is closed and sucks
Adobe says: We're open and rock; Apple is closed and sucks
Reality: They're both closed; they both suck in different ways

  Flash does suck, and does crash/hang a lot, and process separation
for plugins is a good thing because of that.  (Coming in Firefox 3.7,
now in beta.  Already released in Google Chrome.  Dunno about MSIE.)

  However, the fact that Flash sucks doesn't make Apple's fascist
nature okay with me.  You never really own Apple products; you're just
renting them from Steve Jobs.  Obviously, lots of people are happy
with that situation.  I'm not about to tell them they're wrong, but
it's not for me.

-- Ben

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RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

[Jeff Cain]

I figure I didn't take into account the other two trips. =P My only excuse is 
that it's Friday.

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-Original Message-
From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

It depends on how you define "round trip". I was thinking in terms of a round 
trip meaning to the satellite and back. But, you are correct in that a ping 
packet would travel 100,000 miles "round trip" from client to host to client. 

-Original Message-
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

How do you figure ???

... if the orbital height is approx 22,000 to 26,000 miles, then 100,000 miles 
is a pretty close approximation as it takes 4 legs for a complete round trip :
Outbound Uplink25,000 miles
Outbound Downlink  25,000
Inbound  Uplink25,000
Inbound  Downlink  25,000
100,000 miles total 

Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '



-Original Message-
From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

You are off by a factor of two on your round trip distance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit


-Original Message-
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

Quick approximations :

Speed of light is 186,000 miles per second.
Round-trip distance of VSAT is approx 100,000 miles ( up-down-up-back ) The 
mechanisms of the network always add to slow the theoretical max speed So I 
stick with my 600-700ms best case scenario


Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '



-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

Hmm, that's about double what I remember, but maybe I was thinking of 
single-leg latency.

Too busy to do the math on a Friday. :)

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:d...@parkviewmc.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:12 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?
> 
> Same here. very painful. 1500 ms ping times with HughesNet
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:06 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?
> 
> Hehe... I've done it. It's painful. But better than having to book a
plane ticket
> for emergencies.
> 
> Actually, TightVNC with local cursor update was bearable...
> 
> -sc
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:03 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?
> >
> > With anything bird based, you'll never get less than about 600-700ms
> latency
> > as a best case scenario, and then latency delays get worse from
there.
> > Don't even bother trying to use Citrix ICA or Terminal Server RDP
over
> a VSAT
> > link 
> >
> >
> > Erik Goldoff
> > IT  Consultant
> > Systems, Networks, & Security
> >
> > '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:27 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?
> >
> > To hell with fixed wireless get an earth station installed!
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ben Scott" 
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Stu Sjouwerman 
> > >  wrote:
> > >> So we were 3 for 3 with internet services going down for a little 
> > >> while there.
> > >
> > >  Thanks for the

RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

[Erik Goldoff]

With all due respect, why would I care about to the satellite and back, I do
NOT ever communicate with the satellite.  I do not know of ANY VSAT customer
that communicates with the satellite that would define round trip as did
you.


My round trip is to the node I communicate with.  I though that would be
obvious within the context of the discussion ...  



Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '



-Original Message-
From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

It depends on how you define "round trip". I was thinking in terms of a
round trip meaning to the satellite and back. But, you are correct in that a
ping packet would travel 100,000 miles "round trip" from client to host to
client. 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Windows Vista licensing question

[John Aldrich]

Nope. I'm talking about one I got with another Optiplex machine awhile back.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Windows Vista licensing question

 

When you say Optiplex restory disks, you mean the ones that came with that
specific machine, right?

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
> ... new Optiplex ...opted for Vista Business ... XP Pro shop .. use one of

> the Optiplex "Restore" disks that puts a "Vanilla" XP Pro image on the
machine.
> So, would that violate the licensing or would that be legal?

 That would be compliant with Microsoft's licensing guidelines, as I
understand them.

 I guess the Win 7 license limits downgrades to within 2 years of
release or something like that, but Microsoft didn't think up that
particular bit of evil until Win 7.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

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~   ~<><>

Re: Windows Vista licensing question

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> When you say Optiplex restory disks, you mean the ones that came with that
> specific machine, right?

  Dell's Windows XP discs are almost completely generic Microsoft OEM
install discs.  The only thing Dell does is add a few SATA drivers,
plus the OEMBIOS.* files to bypass activation.  Since it's one
OptiPlex to the next, I would expect the activation bypass to still
work.  That's always been the case when I've tried it with Dell and
XP.

  Unlike, say, HP.  Grrr.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

[Ken Cornetet]

It depends on how you define "round trip". I was thinking in terms of a round 
trip meaning to the satellite and back. But, you are correct in that a ping 
packet would travel 100,000 miles "round trip" from client to host to client. 

-Original Message-
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

How do you figure ???

... if the orbital height is approx 22,000 to 26,000 miles, then 100,000
miles is a pretty close approximation as it takes 4 legs for a complete
round trip :
Outbound Uplink25,000 miles
Outbound Downlink  25,000
Inbound  Uplink25,000
Inbound  Downlink  25,000
100,000 miles total 

Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '



-Original Message-
From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

You are off by a factor of two on your round trip distance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit


-Original Message-
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

Quick approximations :

Speed of light is 186,000 miles per second.
Round-trip distance of VSAT is approx 100,000 miles ( up-down-up-back )
The mechanisms of the network always add to slow the theoretical max speed
So I stick with my 600-700ms best case scenario


Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '



-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?

Hmm, that's about double what I remember, but maybe I was thinking of
single-leg latency.

Too busy to do the math on a Friday. :)

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Eldridge, Dave [mailto:d...@parkviewmc.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:12 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?
> 
> Same here. very painful. 1500 ms ping times with HughesNet
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:06 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?
> 
> Hehe... I've done it. It's painful. But better than having to book a
plane ticket
> for emergencies.
> 
> Actually, TightVNC with local cursor update was bearable...
> 
> -sc
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:03 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?
> >
> > With anything bird based, you'll never get less than about 600-700ms
> latency
> > as a best case scenario, and then latency delays get worse from
there.
> > Don't even bother trying to use Citrix ICA or Terminal Server RDP
over
> a VSAT
> > link 
> >
> >
> > Erik Goldoff
> > IT  Consultant
> > Systems, Networks, & Security
> >
> > '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:27 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?
> >
> > To hell with fixed wireless get an earth station installed!
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ben Scott" 
> > To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: www.Sunbelt-software.com down?
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Stu Sjouwerman
> > >  wrote:
> > >> So we were 3 for 3 with internet services going down for a little
> > >> while there.
> > >
> > >  Thanks for the info, Stu.  Sharing info is good.
> > >
> > >  You may want to look into fixed-wireless connectivity.  Here at
> > > %WORK%, we have two 'net feeds.  One is an ordinary Comcast cable
> > > Internet feed.  The other is fixed-wireless, provider is a local
> ISP.
> > > Antenna on our roof goes to a tower at the top of a local hill.
> From
> > > that station they can hop to their local office a few towns over.
> > > From there they have landlines to two different major providers.
> The
> > > local ISP even has plans to go wireless from their local office to
> > > their POP in Boston, about 50 miles away.
> > >
> > > -- Ben
> > >
> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~
> > >   ~
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> >   ~
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerf

Re: Windows Vista licensing question

[Jonathan Link]

When you say Optiplex restory disks, you mean the ones that came with that
specific machine, right?

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> > ... new Optiplex ...opted for Vista Business ... XP Pro shop .. use one
> of
> > the Optiplex “Restore” disks that puts a “Vanilla” XP Pro image on the
> machine.
> > So, would that violate the licensing or would that be legal?
>
>  That would be compliant with Microsoft's licensing guidelines, as I
> understand them.
>
>  I guess the Win 7 license limits downgrades to within 2 years of
> release or something like that, but Microsoft didn't think up that
> particular bit of evil until Win 7.
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

PalmOS emulator (was: HP to buy Palm)

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
 wrote:
> I think you mean "WebOS".  "PalmOS" was what they used on their Palm PDAs, and
> on the early Treo phones.  Different critter altogether, although there is a
> PalmOS emulator that runs inside WebOS now.

  Has anyone here tried the PalmOS emulator, and care to comment?
I've been using Palm for a decade, have spent several hundred dollars
on software for it, have some apps I really like, and don't look
forward to migrating.  If I had a good PalmOS emulator on a handheld,
that would be a whole different ball game.  But most emulators I've
used in the past really suck at "real world" applications.

  For example, there's a PalmOS emulator for one of the Nokia tablets,
but I'm told you basically have to manually start a VM and then do
things.  Not really practically for a handheld calendar/reminder
application.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Satellite/high-latency links (was: www.Sunbelt-software.com)

[Steven M. Caesare]

Indeed.

It's really a last-resort/occasional maintenance type of thing for
needing to remote a box. Not something you would recommend to a user.

When we rolled out Win2K- and later XP-based "appliances" to vertical
market customers as part of a national infrastructure, the image was
loaded with a number of extra tools to enable command line
configuration/scripting of most everything we needed to do. 

Batching up commands to run as scripts and retrieving the result was
also not exactly snappy, but preferable to a remote GUI over the link.

But if there's no other choice than to drive the mouse, local-update of
the pointer made the experience more accurate, but not any faster
really... it just eliminated overshoots. Of course, you had to make sure
you didn't try to click buttons that weren't really there any more
either :)


-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:25 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Satellite/high-latency links (was: www.Sunbelt-software.com)
> 
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Webster 
wrote:
> > Citrix ICA, by default, will easily handle 500ms latency.
> 
>   It's not a question of the protocol handling it, it's a question of
actually using
> the damn thing.
> 
>   As has been pointed out, with a geosync sat, you're talking a
> *minimum* 650 ms latency from the sat hops alone.  (Landline time has
to be
> added to that.)  This is a speed-of-light issue, and as far as modern
science
> can tell us, *will never be overcome*.  "186,000 miles per second.
Not just a
> good idea, it's the law."  With the link a client of mine tried, the
typical RTT we
> saw was 1.1 seconds (1100
> ms), with routine spikes as high as 3 or 4 seconds.For comparison,
> with a dial-up modem, typical latency is 250 to 350ms.
> 
>   So: You click your mouse, it takes from 1 to 4 seconds for the click
to make it
> to the other end, and for the result to make it back.
> Citrix ICA can't do anything about that.  Remote control at that
latency is
> technically possible, but unless (like Mr. Caesare says) the only
alternative is
> a plane ticket, just about anything else is preferable.  A dial-up
modem is
> much better.  I would prefer a one hour drive in heavy traffic.
Perhaps if the
> drive was more than an hour I'd think about it.
> 
>   For most protocols, you can do things like caching, but for remote
control,
> you don't know what the result will be before the remote computer does
it.
> 
> -- Ben
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Windows Vista licensing question

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
> ... new Optiplex ...opted for Vista Business ... XP Pro shop .. use one of
> the Optiplex “Restore” disks that puts a “Vanilla” XP Pro image on the 
> machine.
> So, would that violate the licensing or would that be legal?

  That would be compliant with Microsoft's licensing guidelines, as I
understand them.

  I guess the Win 7 license limits downgrades to within 2 years of
release or something like that, but Microsoft didn't think up that
particular bit of evil until Win 7.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Steven M. Caesare]

Not exactly, but it's a start in the right direction.

 

-sc

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

Both Apple and Microsoft are on board with HTML5 - which eliminates the
need Flash altogether.

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

He's talking about the browser.  Like Microsoft, Apple includes a bug
report capability when an application crashes, so I believe that they
know what they are talking about when they say Flash causes the crash
(regardless of the Adobe CEO's dismissal of the notion).  As I
understand it, this is the reason that Apple updated webkit/Safari to
isolate plug-ins in their own process, so that when Flash crashed, it
didn't take down the browser.

 



From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

Good read, not owning a mac (I use Intel hardware with free operating
systems that aren't resold for a fortune:-) )

 

I was intrigued on the statement "Flash is the reason why macs crash."

 

Did he mean the browser tanking or literally "the mac"? Wow...

 

From: Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:robbonfig...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Satellite/high-latency links (was: www.Sunbelt-software.com)

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Webster  wrote:
> Citrix ICA, by default, will easily handle 500ms latency.

  It's not a question of the protocol handling it, it's a question of
actually using the damn thing.

  As has been pointed out, with a geosync sat, you're talking a
*minimum* 650 ms latency from the sat hops alone.  (Landline time has
to be added to that.)  This is a speed-of-light issue, and as far as
modern science can tell us, *will never be overcome*.  "186,000 miles
per second.  Not just a good idea, it's the law."  With the link a
client of mine tried, the typical RTT we saw was 1.1 seconds (1100
ms), with routine spikes as high as 3 or 4 seconds.For comparison,
with a dial-up modem, typical latency is 250 to 350ms.

  So: You click your mouse, it takes from 1 to 4 seconds for the click
to make it to the other end, and for the result to make it back.
Citrix ICA can't do anything about that.  Remote control at that
latency is technically possible, but unless (like Mr. Caesare says)
the only alternative is a plane ticket, just about anything else is
preferable.  A dial-up modem is much better.  I would prefer a one
hour drive in heavy traffic.  Perhaps if the drive was more than an
hour I'd think about it.

  For most protocols, you can do things like caching, but for remote
control, you don't know what the result will be before the remote
computer does it.

-- Ben

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RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

[Rod Trent]

Both Apple and Microsoft are on board with HTML5 - which eliminates the need
Flash altogether.

 

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

He's talking about the browser.  Like Microsoft, Apple includes a bug report
capability when an application crashes, so I believe that they know what
they are talking about when they say Flash causes the crash (regardless of
the Adobe CEO's dismissal of the notion).  As I understand it, this is the
reason that Apple updated webkit/Safari to isolate plug-ins in their own
process, so that when Flash crashed, it didn't take down the browser.

 

  _  

From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Steve Jobs on Flash

Good read, not owning a mac (I use Intel hardware with free operating
systems that aren't resold for a fortuneJ )

 

I was intrigued on the statement "Flash is the reason why macs crash."

 

Did he mean the browser tanking or literally "the mac"? Wow.

 

From: Rob Bonfiglio [mailto:robbonfig...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Steve Jobs on Flash

 

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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