RE: Will it *really* not work virtualized?

[John Hornbuckle]

I've heard good things about Hyper-V's performance, and the server I'm
running it on is pretty beefy. So hopefully I'll be okay.

 

 

 

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Will it *really* not work virtualized?

 

Sorry not one I am running but if the load is not too heavy SQL 2005
does work in a virtual environment as well.  I have had that
virtuallized for more than a year now.  I will say it runs better on
Hyper-V than it ever did on Virtual Server.

 

Jon

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:33 PM, John Hornbuckle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This is Follett's "Destiny" product.

 

 

 

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:30 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Will it *really* not work virtualized?

 

I am getting a 404 on that page what is the name of the product.  I had
the Winnebago card catalogue system running on a virtual machine for
about a year with no issues.

 

Jon

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:25 PM, John Hornbuckle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It's a program to use in school libraries for checking books in and out.
It uses an SQL database
(http://www.fsc.follett.com/_files/fsc/secured/system_requirements/Dest%
20School%20sys%20reqs%2010685A%20PDF%20print%207_08a%20(2).pdf).

 

We're a small district with small schools, and no app we've ever run on
a server has  come anywhere close to fully utilizing the hardware.
That's one of the reasons I want to virtualize more.

 

If the app will run on an XP "server" with a Pentium 4 processor, I
can't imagine that it would be overly demanding. But they do say they
require RAID 1 or 5, so they must be counting on a fair amount of I/O
activity. But I wonder, what exactly is "high" I/O when it comes to
figuring out if something will run okay on a virtual server?

 

 

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:14 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Will it *really* not work virtualized? 

 

Why would a product not work on a virtual server, well, one that is high
I/O, as in a database server would possibly not work.  What application
specifically are you looking at that says this?  

We've used virtual servers for probably 5 years now, and we've always
taken the approach that we will try it on a virtual server and if it
doesn't work, then go to physical.  So far, we're doing really good with
that approach.  99% of what we've tried on a virtual server has worked.
Now to counter that, we have always looked at what the application will
be doing, evaluated the requirements and load, and made the decision on
whether or not it's a good candidate for virtualization or not a good
candidate for virtualization.   

Now with that said, I do have a caveat, I've never used Hyper-V and
probably will never use it, we've been VMWare since we started with
virtual server, first GSX now the latest release of ESX.  So, I can't
say how Hyper-V utilizes system resources compared to ESX.

On 7/22/08, John Hornbuckle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I was looking over the system requirements for a particular piece of
software we're looking at purchasing, and I noticed that it specifically
says it has to be on a physical (non-virtual) machine.

Now, this software doesn't have any special hardware requirements.
Processor requirements are modest, as are requirements for RAM and
storage space. And yet, the requirements explicitly say, "Microsoft
Windows Server 2008 Standard or Enterprise without Hyper-V" (if Server
2008 is the OS--it also supports Server 2003, XP, or Vista as the server
OS).

As I've mentioned before, I'm brand new to server virtualization. I'm
playing with Hyper-V right now for the first time. So, I'm sure I'm
missing something.

Why, exactly, would a product like this not work on a virtual server?




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us <http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us/> 


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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C. Clarke 

 

 

 

 


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RE: Will it *really* not work virtualized?

[John Hornbuckle]

Microsoft has said that it will support Exchange 2007 running in a Hyper-V 
guest environment. All roles except Unified Messaging.

 

 

 

 

From: René de Haas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Will it *really* not work virtualized?

 

If that's the case then would it be a problem with Exchange? Those databases 
are much bigger than 3-5GB.

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Will it *really* not work virtualized?

 

We don't use Vmware ESX for any databases above like 3-5GB, we usually put them 
on shared SQL systems, that are hardware and dedicated for SQL only. Just my 
recommendation. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

 


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Two Drives vs. One on a Server

[John Hornbuckle]

So, I've been playing around with Hyper-V for a few days, I've created a
couple of test servers, and I'm ready now to create a "real" one.

One thing I'm not sure of is whether I should create one drive or two
for the servers. A blog post from a member of Microsoft's Hyper-V team
recommend two as a matter of best practice--one for the OS, and the
other for data. We've always split up our physical servers this way,
since the Windows NT days. My question is, is it still necessary? If so,
why?

Back in the day, security was a big reason. For instance, if you had a
web server serving content on your D: drive and the server was hacked
making the whole drive accessible, the OS couldn't be touched since it
was on the C: drive.

With the current versions of Windows Server and IIS, is this still a
consideration?




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


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RE: Will it *really* not work virtualized?

[John Hornbuckle]

Good to know. Thanks for the feedback from both of you!

 

 

 

From: Walker, Clay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Will it *really* not work virtualized?

 

Same here but we're running it on MS Virtual Server (Free version).  No
issues. 4 campuses/libraries, ~2300 kids.

 



From: Jesse Rink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Will it *really* not work virtualized?

I've been running Destiny virtualized on ESX for serveral months.  Not a
single issue.

JR

 
 

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RE: Two Drives vs. One on a Server

[John Hornbuckle]

Good point. Although with virtualization, the drive can be expanded at
any time, so that wouldn't so much of a factor now...



-Original Message-
From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Two Drives vs. One on a Server

I never really did it for security reasons. I did it because if data is
on another drive it can't fill up the OS driveor if I needed to
expand data storage I didn't have to rebuild the OS.



> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:01 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Two Drives vs. One on a Server
>
> So, I've been playing around with Hyper-V for a few days, I've created
> a
> couple of test servers, and I'm ready now to create a "real" one.
>
> One thing I'm not sure of is whether I should create one drive or two
> for the servers. A blog post from a member of Microsoft's Hyper-V team
> recommend two as a matter of best practice--one for the OS, and the
> other for data. We've always split up our physical servers this way,
> since the Windows NT days. My question is, is it still necessary? If
> so,
> why?
>
> Back in the day, security was a big reason. For instance, if you had a
> web server serving content on your D: drive and the server was hacked
> making the whole drive accessible, the OS couldn't be touched since it
> was on the C: drive.
>
> With the current versions of Windows Server and IIS, is this still a
> consideration?
>
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> 318 North Clark Street
> Perry, FL 32347
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>
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RE: Two Drives vs. One on a Server

[John Hornbuckle]

Unfortunately, no.

He was actually writing about virtual IDE drives vs. virtual SCSI drives
in Hyper-V, and just mentioned in passing that it was a best practice to
have two drives.





-Original Message-
From: Miller Bonnie L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Two Drives vs. One on a Server

I would think your I/O could be a lot better with two physically
separate drives or drive sets (not sure from your post if that is the
case)--that is probably one of the biggest bottlenecks on newer
hardware.  Does the blogger say at all why they recommend the two sets?

-Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Two Drives vs. One on a Server

Good point. Although with virtualization, the drive can be expanded at
any time, so that wouldn't so much of a factor now...



-Original Message-
From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Two Drives vs. One on a Server

I never really did it for security reasons. I did it because if data is
on another drive it can't fill up the OS driveor if I needed to
expand data storage I didn't have to rebuild the OS.



> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:01 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Two Drives vs. One on a Server
>
> So, I've been playing around with Hyper-V for a few days, I've created
> a
> couple of test servers, and I'm ready now to create a "real" one.
>
> One thing I'm not sure of is whether I should create one drive or two
> for the servers. A blog post from a member of Microsoft's Hyper-V team
> recommend two as a matter of best practice--one for the OS, and the
> other for data. We've always split up our physical servers this way,
> since the Windows NT days. My question is, is it still necessary? If
> so,
> why?
>
> Back in the day, security was a big reason. For instance, if you had a
> web server serving content on your D: drive and the server was hacked
> making the whole drive accessible, the OS couldn't be touched since it
> was on the C: drive.
>
> With the current versions of Windows Server and IIS, is this still a
> consideration?
>
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> 318 North Clark Street
> Perry, FL 32347
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>

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RE: Two Drives vs. One on a Server

[John Hornbuckle]

http://blogs.msdn.com/tvoellm/archive/2008/01/02/hyper-v-scsi-vs-ide-do-
you-really-need-an-ide-and-scsi-drive-for-best-performance.aspx


He's not the best communicator, I'm afraid. For instance, he also
recommends making the second (data) drive SCSI--but he's not really
clear on why. With Integration Components installed, a virtual IDE drive
should be the same speed as a virtual SCSI drive.



-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Two Drives vs. One on a Server

Where is this blog post?

Cheers
Ken

> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2008 11:54 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Two Drives vs. One on a Server
>
> Unfortunately, no.
>
> He was actually writing about virtual IDE drives vs. virtual SCSI
drives
> in Hyper-V, and just mentioned in passing that it was a best practice
to
> have two drives.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Miller Bonnie L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:41 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Two Drives vs. One on a Server
>
> I would think your I/O could be a lot better with two physically
> separate drives or drive sets (not sure from your post if that is the
> case)--that is probably one of the biggest bottlenecks on newer
> hardware.  Does the blogger say at all why they recommend the two
sets?
>
> -Bonnie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:21 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Two Drives vs. One on a Server
>
> Good point. Although with virtualization, the drive can be expanded at
> any time, so that wouldn't so much of a factor now...
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:04 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Two Drives vs. One on a Server
>
> I never really did it for security reasons. I did it because if data
is
> on another drive it can't fill up the OS driveor if I needed to
> expand data storage I didn't have to rebuild the OS.
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:01 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Two Drives vs. One on a Server
> >
> > So, I've been playing around with Hyper-V for a few days, I've
created
> > a
> > couple of test servers, and I'm ready now to create a "real" one.
> >
> > One thing I'm not sure of is whether I should create one drive or
two
> > for the servers. A blog post from a member of Microsoft's Hyper-V
team
> > recommend two as a matter of best practice--one for the OS, and the
> > other for data. We've always split up our physical servers this way,
> > since the Windows NT days. My question is, is it still necessary? If
> > so,
> > why?
> >
> > Back in the day, security was a big reason. For instance, if you had
a
> > web server serving content on your D: drive and the server was
hacked
> > making the whole drive accessible, the OS couldn't be touched since
it
> > was on the C: drive.
> >
> > With the current versions of Windows Server and IIS, is this still a
> > consideration?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Hornbuckle
> > MIS Department
> > Taylor County School District
> > 318 North Clark Street
> > Perry, FL 32347
> >
> > www.taylor.k12.fl.us
> >
> >
>
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Copying VHD Files

[John Hornbuckle]

As I've mentioned before, I'm a noob when it comes to server
virtualization. Forgive me if this is a dumb question.

I need to create a couple of virtual servers in Hyper-V with the same
OS. Can I create a VHD, install the OS to it and patch it up, then just
make copies of that VHD to use in multiple virtual servers? Obviously in
each virtual server I'd rename the machine. Are there any problems with
doing this? Like the kinds of things you'd see with cloning hard drives
with Windows client OS's (e.g., duplicate SIDs)?




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


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RE: Copying VHD Files

[John Hornbuckle]

In Googling this, I'm finding recommendations to run sysprep on the
machine I'm cloning prior to cloning it...

 

 

 

 

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Copying VHD Files

 

Simple answer yes but you do have some loops to go through to use the
machine as separate machines.  You will have to export them base machine
and then re-import the machine.

 

Done right is not too bad.

 

Jon

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:37 AM, John Hornbuckle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

As I've mentioned before, I'm a noob when it comes to server
virtualization. Forgive me if this is a dumb question.

I need to create a couple of virtual servers in Hyper-V with the same
OS. Can I create a VHD, install the OS to it and patch it up, then just
make copies of that VHD to use in multiple virtual servers? Obviously in
each virtual server I'd rename the machine. Are there any problems with
doing this? Like the kinds of things you'd see with cloning hard drives
with Windows client OS's (e.g., duplicate SIDs)?




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us <http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us/> 


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Where the heck is sysprep?

[John Hornbuckle]

So, I want to run sysprep on my Hyper-V virtual servers before copying
their VHDs.

Where the heck *is* sysprep on a Server 2003 SP2 machine? I searched the
hard drive, and couldn't find it. I found this:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloadS/details.aspx?FamilyID=93f20bb1-97aa-4
356-8b43-9584b7e72556&displaylang=en

Downloaded, installed. Still can't find sysprep. The KB article seems to
say it's inside cab files, but I can't find the cab files it
references...




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


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RE: Where the heck is sysprep?

[John Hornbuckle]

Then how would it get updated with the version in the KB article?



-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Where the heck is sysprep?

On the install CD in the Support folder.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Where the heck is sysprep?

So, I want to run sysprep on my Hyper-V virtual servers before copying
their VHDs.

Where the heck *is* sysprep on a Server 2003 SP2 machine? I searched the
hard drive, and couldn't find it. I found this:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloadS/details.aspx?FamilyID=93f20bb1-97aa-4
356-8b43-9584b7e72556&displaylang=en

Downloaded, installed. Still can't find sysprep. The KB article seems to
say it's inside cab files, but I can't find the cab files it
references...




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


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RE: "Windows - No Disk"

[John Hornbuckle]

I get this on a Dell workstation. Did some digging, and it appeared to
be related to Dell's update software.

But I'm assuming that wouldn't be running on a server.



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: "Windows - No Disk"

"Windows - No Disk"
"Exception processing message c013 Parameters
75a851d8fef8e6dc75a851d875a851d8"
Cancel, Try Again, Continue

This pop up box routinely occurs on my SBS2003 box.  I've done quite a
bit
of research on this and can't see to shake the issue.  Doesn't seem to
be a
USB drive issue either.

To try and track this down, I've also waited for the msg to appear, then
run filemon.exe, then hit "try again" and the error reappears.  However,
I
don't see anyhting in filemon.exe that clues me in except this:

188 10:05:35 AM store.exe:1584  OPENC:\WINNT\TEMP\  SUCCESS
Options: Open
Directory  Access: 0011 
189 10:05:35 AM store.exe:1584  OPENC:\WINNT\TEMP\  SUCCESS
Options: Open
Directory  Access: 0011 
190 10:05:35 AM store.exe:1584  DIRECTORY   C:\WINNT\TEMP\
NO SUCH
FILEFileBothDirectoryInformation:
{42D2756E-8650-4053-A1BA-143D0DDAA926}WIN32READ.dat 
191 10:05:35 AM store.exe:1584  DIRECTORY   C:\WINNT\TEMP\
NO SUCH
FILEFileBothDirectoryInformation:
{0B856260-DD89-43C4-BC95-1225259A}WIN32READ.dat
192 10:05:35 AM store.exe:1584  CLOSE   C:\WINNT\TEMP\  SUCCESS

193 10:05:35 AM store.exe:1584  CLOSE   C:\WINNT\TEMP\  SUCCESS


I'm not sure if this is the 'issue' or not.  Anyone have any ideas?

The error pops up every couple days or so it seems... for as long as I
can
remember.



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RE: Copying VHD Files

[John Hornbuckle]

That's what I ended up doing, and it seems to have worked fine. Hyper-V
assigned  a new MAC address to the new server, and sysprep took care of
the SID.

 

I'm absolutely loving Hyper-V. I don't have any experience with VMWare,
so I can't compare them, but as a server virtualization noob I have to
say this is just the coolest.

 

Of course, if my physical server that's hosting multiple virtual servers
konks out, I'll probably end up cussing the technology and longing for
the days when one server being down only meant that one server was down
rather than many...

 

 

 

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Copying VHD Files

 

You don't need to do any of that (the export/import stuff)

 

Just create your base machine, and shut it down (e.g. after sysprep)

 

Then copy/rename the VHD file. Create a new machine in Hyper-V, and say
to use an existing hard disk. Point it to the VHD you copied. Run NewSID
if you didn't sysprep your base image.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 24 July 2008 1:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Copying VHD Files

 

Simple answer yes but you do have some loops to go through to use the
machine as separate machines.  You will have to export them base machine
and then re-import the machine.

 

Done right is not too bad.

 

Jon

 

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RE: Group Policy Question

[John Hornbuckle]

Thanks for the response, Devin. I'm making use of the Central Store, as
I mentioned. But as you say, when new ADMX/ADML files come out, they
should be copied to the central store. My question is, how do I know
when they come out? How do I ensure that the versions in the CS aren't
old?

 

 

 

 

 

From: Devin Meade [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Group Policy Question

 

Late response here, but that's what a Central Store is for.  The gpmc
will look first for a central store, and if it doesnt find the template,
it will look at the local machine.  Update the CS once and be done, when
new ones come out, copy to central store.

hth,Devin

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:53 PM, John Hornbuckle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I pitched this to the AD list, but it's not nearly as active as this
one, so I figured I'd try here.


I'm looking for input on the best way to ensure that we're always using
the latest version of policy definitions (ADMX files and the ADML
language files). I know these files are periodically updated by MS--how
do I make sure that the versions I have in
\\domain\sysvol\domain\policies\policydefinitions are the most recent?

Looking in the %systemroot%\policydefinitions folder of my own machine
(fully-patched Vista), I see file versions newer than those on the
network store. Should I copy those into the store and replace the older
ones?




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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

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Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

[John Hornbuckle]

Our client machines (all XP and Vista) make use of roaming profiles and
folder redirection. They look to something like \\server1\profiles and
\\server1\folders for this. The "profiles" and "folders" shares are
located on a PowerVault SCSI storage system that's attached to Server1.

Server1 has reached its end of life, and is being replaced with Server2.
My plan is to disconnect the PowerVault from Server1 and plug it into
Server2 (more about that in another thread). I'll then need to
reconfigure users accounts and the relevant GPOs to point to
\\server2\profiles and \\server2\folders.

Has anyone ever done this? Any caveats? I've been doing some research,
and some of what I've read seems to indicate that this can be trickier
than it sounds--especially if Offline Folders are in use (which we have
enabled for all of our machines so users can access their stuff even if
disconnected from the network).




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


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Moving a PowerVault

[John Hornbuckle]

I've got a PowerVault SCSI RAID storage system attached to a server
that's being decommissioned. I want to move it over to a new replacement
server. I have no experience doing this, and want to make sure I don't
screw up the RAID configuration and data on it. Any pointers on how to
do this?




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


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RE: Moving a PowerVault

[John Hornbuckle]

The new server has its own controller.

I was thinking that the config info was actually stored in the
PowerVault, and could be loaded from it on to the new controller. I
can't recall why I thought that--some past experience I had. It's hazy
now.

I can rebuild and restore if I have to. But unless there's some
advantage to doing that, I'd rather not--it would save time and
headache.




-Original Message-
From: N Parr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving a PowerVault

If you are moving the controller card along with it then you don't have
any worries, it contains all the drive configuration.  If you're just
moving the array then I don't really know.  Someone else could probably
answer if a similar controller would detect the drive array.  I assume
it's a Perc card of some sort.  I would probably rebuild and restore
anyway.  I'm getting ready to do this myself but I'm going to move the
Perc card with the array. If the Powervault is only half full of drives
you could split the backplane on the array and put new drives in and
connect them to your new server and then just move your files over to
the other server and then decommission or reuse the old drives.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Moving a PowerVault

I've got a PowerVault SCSI RAID storage system attached to a server
that's being decommissioned. I want to move it over to a new replacement
server. I have no experience doing this, and want to make sure I don't
screw up the RAID configuration and data on it. Any pointers on how to
do this?




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


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RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

[John Hornbuckle]

Yeah, but for a while both servers have to exist simultaneously--so
that's not an option.

One alternative I had read about (a bit late now, I'm afraid) is to use
DFS for roaming profiles and folder redirection so as to avoid this
exact problem. But that seems to introduce a new problem, in that
offline files and DFS apparently don't play well together.



-Original Message-
From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

Wouldn't naming the replacement server the same name and assigning it
the same IP as the retired server handle that?

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer
Information Services Department
Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Ph: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
www.prufoxroach.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

Our client machines (all XP and Vista) make use of roaming profiles and
folder redirection. They look to something like \\server1\profiles and
\\server1\folders for this. The "profiles" and "folders" shares are
located on a PowerVault SCSI storage system that's attached to Server1.

Server1 has reached its end of life, and is being replaced with Server2.
My plan is to disconnect the PowerVault from Server1 and plug it into
Server2 (more about that in another thread). I'll then need to
reconfigure users accounts and the relevant GPOs to point to
\\server2\profiles and \\server2\folders.

Has anyone ever done this? Any caveats? I've been doing some research,
and some of what I've read seems to indicate that this can be trickier
than it sounds--especially if Offline Folders are in use (which we have
enabled for all of our machines so users can access their stuff even if
disconnected from the network).




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


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RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

[John Hornbuckle]

What I'm trying to figure out is whether these paths are hard-coded in
the registry somewhere. Changing the paths in AD (for each user account
plus in the GPOs) is no problem. But I'm concerned that this may not be
enough. Could be wrong, though...



-Original Message-
From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

Maybe a script to run against AD to change the path(s)? Quick Google
brought up quite a few.

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer
Information Services Department
Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Ph: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
www.prufoxroach.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

Yeah, but for a while both servers have to exist simultaneously--so
that's not an option.

One alternative I had read about (a bit late now, I'm afraid) is to use
DFS for roaming profiles and folder redirection so as to avoid this
exact problem. But that seems to introduce a new problem, in that
offline files and DFS apparently don't play well together.



-Original Message-
From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

Wouldn't naming the replacement server the same name and assigning it
the same IP as the retired server handle that?

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer
Information Services Department
Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Ph: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
www.prufoxroach.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

Our client machines (all XP and Vista) make use of roaming profiles and
folder redirection. They look to something like \\server1\profiles and
\\server1\folders for this. The "profiles" and "folders" shares are
located on a PowerVault SCSI storage system that's attached to Server1.

Server1 has reached its end of life, and is being replaced with Server2.
My plan is to disconnect the PowerVault from Server1 and plug it into
Server2 (more about that in another thread). I'll then need to
reconfigure users accounts and the relevant GPOs to point to
\\server2\profiles and \\server2\folders.

Has anyone ever done this? Any caveats? I've been doing some research,
and some of what I've read seems to indicate that this can be trickier
than it sounds--especially if Offline Folders are in use (which we have
enabled for all of our machines so users can access their stuff even if
disconnected from the network).




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


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RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

[John Hornbuckle]

That's what I'm hoping. I may just have to try it and see what happens.
Worst-case scenario, I've got 500 users who can't get to their stuff. No
biggie.

;-)




-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

If you do the folder redirection with a GPO, couldn't you just edit the
GPO and do a gpudate /force?

Joe Heaton
-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

What I'm trying to figure out is whether these paths are hard-coded in
the registry somewhere. Changing the paths in AD (for each user account
plus in the GPOs) is no problem. But I'm concerned that this may not be
enough. Could be wrong, though...



-Original Message-
From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

Maybe a script to run against AD to change the path(s)? Quick Google
brought up quite a few.

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer
Information Services Department
Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Ph: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
www.prufoxroach.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

Yeah, but for a while both servers have to exist simultaneously--so
that's not an option.

One alternative I had read about (a bit late now, I'm afraid) is to use
DFS for roaming profiles and folder redirection so as to avoid this
exact problem. But that seems to introduce a new problem, in that
offline files and DFS apparently don't play well together.



-Original Message-
From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

Wouldn't naming the replacement server the same name and assigning it
the same IP as the retired server handle that?

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer
Information Services Department
Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Ph: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
www.prufoxroach.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

Our client machines (all XP and Vista) make use of roaming profiles and
folder redirection. They look to something like \\server1\profiles and
\\server1\folders for this. The "profiles" and "folders" shares are
located on a PowerVault SCSI storage system that's attached to Server1.

Server1 has reached its end of life, and is being replaced with Server2.
My plan is to disconnect the PowerVault from Server1 and plug it into
Server2 (more about that in another thread). I'll then need to
reconfigure users accounts and the relevant GPOs to point to
\\server2\profiles and \\server2\folders.

Has anyone ever done this? Any caveats? I've been doing some research,
and some of what I've read seems to indicate that this can be trickier
than it sounds--especially if Offline Folders are in use (which we have
enabled for all of our machines so users can access their stuff even if
disconnected from the network).




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


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RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

[John Hornbuckle]

The issue is that the old server handles a ton of functions--it's not
just a simple file server, I'm afraid. Those functions can't be moved
over all at once; I'm doing them one at a time. Until the last function
is migrated, both servers will have to stay up and running.





-Original Message-
From: Don Guyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

Yeah, but he said they have to have both servers up at the same time for
awhile (didn't say exactly why). So that nixes that idea.

:)

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer
Information Services Department
Prudential Fox Roach/ Trident
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Ph: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
www.prufoxroach.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Miller Bonnie L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

We do this a LOT (keep the same name).  I get around the name remnant
issues by building server2 off the network with the original name
first--a trick our network admin taught me.  Rename to newserver1
shortly before plugging in (and joining the domain).

Rename the original server1 to oldserver1 at the right moment and then
rename newserver1 back to server1.  Just make sure you don't install
anything important in between the renames, like IIS (adds Iusr accounts)
or SQL.  You also have to clean up DNS (and WINS if you are using) to
get everything to come up just right, but it works really well.

-Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving Roaming Profiles & Redirected Folders

>Wouldn't naming the replacement server the same name and assigning it
>the same IP as the retired server handle that?

I have done both, removed the old server after a robocopy and share reg
import, and change it in AD. Its been my experience there are sometimes
places in the reg that retain the old server name.

At any rate, both methods work with the former being the easiest *if*
the old system can be removed or renamed as well.

jlc

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RE: IP addresses

[John Hornbuckle]

In that case, you could just walk them through running WINIPCFG or
IPCONFIG.

I had assumed that you were using NAT and needed to see what address the
outside world is seeing. Sounds like this isn't the case, though.



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 


-Original Message-
From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IP addresses


Actually I do know what ip address I am using. I was trying to find out
what ip address a client was using. Somehow there DNS records got
screwed up and an A record for a certain host was dropped. So now they
aren't receiving mail because there mx record points to this name which
doesn't resolve to an ip address. Rather than go all the way to there
location just to find out there routers ip address, I wanted to have
them locate it so that I can get the record associated with an ip
address ASAP.


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RE: chronic problems

[John Hornbuckle]

Any chance it's psychosomatic rather than physiological? Do you feel
stressed at work?

How's your posture? I've not had neck problems, but I occasionally get
those tingly wrists if I'm not sitting correctly while typing.


____
John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 


-Original Message-
From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: chronic problems


Anyone know how to shake the chronic neck discomfort?  It's my job to
sit here, write code and administer this network, yet the neck/shoulder
discomfort has been with me for 10 months, and seems to get better on
the weekends (when I'm not working), then Monday afternoon and Tuesday
it starts back up again.  I've changed everything from desks to chairs.
I even stretch all the time.  Doesn't help.  Been to chiropractic for
the last 4 months, message therapy, physical therapy for 3 months,
acupuncture for crying out loud, and nothing helps.  Yes,  I get plenty
of exercise, I'm on a summer league baseball team..  Even had an MRI and
they told me everything was fine.  Only way I can get it to feel better,
is if I'm not working.  But I have to make a living somehow eh?  College
students need all the bee.. money they can get =)   21 years old is
too young for this crap.  Am I just allergic to work?

Anyone?  Please?  For the love of god?  .. Figured I would ask here
since back/neck/shoulder problems are no stranger to people in the IT
industry :)


Paul 

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RE: MS patch-scanner for Win-NT, 2K, IIS, SQL

[John Hornbuckle]

You're not alone - I'm getting the same error. Some people have been
able to fix it by manually downloading the XML file, but this didn't fix
it for me.


____
John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 



-Original Message-
From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS patch-scanner for Win-NT, 2K, IIS, SQL


I downloaded this and followed the instructions on how to install but I
keep getting an error that it can't find the mssecure.cab or
mssecure.xml.  But (listed below) shows my directory with the
mssecure.xml file there and what my error message is.

Anyone tried this yet? Any idea on what I am doing wrong?

Diane

 ** Attempting to download the XML from
http://download.microsoft.com/download/x
ml/security/1.0/NT5/EN-US/mssecure.cab. **

 ** File was successfully downloaded. **

 ** Attempting to load E:\PatchChecker\mssecure.xml. **

Unable to load the XML file.  Neither mssecure.cab
or mssecurexml are available.

 Directory of E:\PatchChecker

08/15/2001  10:33a.
08/15/2001  10:33a..
08/14/2001  01:44p  13,346 HFNetChk License.txt
08/13/2001  01:44p 313,760 hfnetchk.exe
08/15/2001  10:35a 846,331 mssecure.xml
08/15/2001  10:31a 203,904 nshc.exe
08/14/2001  01:45p 298 Readme.txt
   5 File(s)  1,377,639 bytes
   2 Dir(s)   3,842,945,024 bytes free



-Original Message-
From: Phillips, Glen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS patch-scanner for Win-NT, 2K, IIS, SQL


>From here



http://download.microsoft.com/download/win2000platform/Utility/2.1/NT45/
EN-U
S/nshc.exe





-Original Message-
From: Luke Brumbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2001 15:09
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS patch-scanner for Win-NT, 2K, IIS, SQL


SO when can we download and from where?

-Original Message-
From: Nail, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS patch-scanner for Win-NT, 2K, IIS, SQL


Due to time outs at the register.

Frequently Asked Questions about the Microsoft Network Security Hotfix
Checker (Hfnetchk.exe) Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q305/3/85.ASP


-Original Message-
From: Phillips, Glen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 4:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: MS patch-scanner for Win-NT, 2K, IIS, SQL


This sounds like it will save everyone a lot of stress 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/21019.html



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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

Title: Message



That 
seems very, very unlikely. I heard earlier that a Palestinian group had claimed 
responsibility, and my hunch is that such a group (whether or not it was this 
specific group) is to blame.
John HornbuckleNetwork ManagerTaylor 
County School District318 North Clark StreetPerry, FL 32347 

 
 

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:43 AMTo: NT System 
  Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist 
  Attack
  You 
  can't retaliate for the sake of retaliating.  It could be 
  Americans.
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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

Well, "the world" will just have to get over it. I'm not advocating
blind retaliation, but clearly a targeted response is warranted.

And if "the world" is so opposed to the way we run our country, they're
welcome to stop doing business with us. I doubt that many are prepared
to put their money where their mouths are, though.


____
John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 




-Original Message-
From: Richard McClary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


Well, that's one of the reactions terrorism is trying to provoke.  Most
of 
the world finds US policy to be obnoxious, and a violent large scale 
reaction will effectively alienate the US from the rest of the world.


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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

How many were killed at Pearl Harbor?



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318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Nail, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


Try Perl Harbor...

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


This is an incredibly tragic day.

Probably the most tragic for the US since the assassination of JFK

 
- ASB


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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

As tragic as Pearl Harbor was, it pales in comparison to this event.
We've got estimates of something like 20,000 possible dead here, right?

It makes me sick just to think about it.



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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


I think just under 1800.


-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


How many were killed at Pearl Harbor?


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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

Title: Message



Right, 
but that attack was performed by just two or three nuts. This attack involved 
more people, and was much more organized and coordinated. I believe that an 
attack of this scale was most likely performed by a "professional" terrorist 
group rather than a couple of individual conspiracy 
theorists.
 
It 
will be interesting to see what develops in the days and weeks to come. We're 
living through one of the most tragic events in American--indeed, 
WORLD--history.
John HornbuckleNetwork ManagerTaylor 
County School District318 North Clark StreetPerry, FL 32347 


  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:57 AMTo: NT System 
  Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist 
  Attack
  unlikely, yes.  But Oklahoma City was done by an 
  American.
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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

Now is NOT the time to attack America's leaders. Please show some
decorum.



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Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Murray Binette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


Well, I just hope that Bush (or the 'Puppet' as many Canadians refer to
him as) doesn't fly off the handle and start WWIII.


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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

Title: Message



Good 
lord! What sort of items?
John HornbuckleNetwork ManagerTaylor 
County School District318 North Clark StreetPerry, FL 32347 


  
  -Original Message-From: Eric Brouwer 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 
  2001 12:58 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  NewYork Terrorist Attack
  There was already a listing on eBay for items from 
  the bombing.
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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

Title: Message



I 
would think that they would be relatively easy to find at this point, 
considering that no planes are supposed to be flying right now...
John HornbuckleNetwork ManagerTaylor 
County School District318 North Clark StreetPerry, FL 32347 


  
  -Original Message-From: Luke Brumbaugh 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 
  2001 12:49 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  NewYork Terrorist Attack
  I 
  heard that 4 more planes are missing.  I think something is 
  seriously wrong here.  How do you lose a plane?
  Radar???
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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

I have to disagree.

I'm generally a big fan of keeping things on-topic, but this is a very
unusual situation. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to use a
forum like this to discuss such an event with their peers for a limited
period of time.



____
John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Matt Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack


glad to see were all following the rule today.  this is a forum for nt
sys admin not current events.  how bout we break out the instant
messaging
(aol,msn,...)  for the of topic stuff.  we all agree it terrible and we
all have TV's and radios.


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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

Not that their words hold a great deal of credibility...



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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Kenneth Taira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


The head of the PLPF has denied PLPF involvement and Yassir Arafat has 
condemned the attack.


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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

Title: Message



As I 
said before, I truly don't believe that any internal U.S. groups are big enough, 
wealthy enough, or organized enough to coordinate such a massive and 
"professional" attack. There's a big difference between today's attacks and 
Oklahoma City, where a couple of yahoos simply parked a truck full of fertilizer 
outside a building.
 
But 
maybe I'm being naive.
 
Time 
will (hopefully) tell.
John HornbuckleNetwork ManagerTaylor 
County School District318 North Clark StreetPerry, FL 32347 

 
 

  
  -Original Message-From: Andrew Baker 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:12 
  PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork 
  Terrorist Attack
  Especially when we've had Internal Terrorism 
  before.
   
  I'm 
  almost hoping it's an external attack, because we will not be able to deal 
  with an internal attack of this magnitude.
   
   
  - 
ASB
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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

Again, I would call for some decorum.

Just as this isn't the time to attack America's leadership, it similarly
is not the time to attack their faith in a Higher Power.

Were you people raised by wolves or something?


____
John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: John Hanks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


Am I the only one that thinks that imaginary friends have caused enough
trouble. If our species could put this whole god thing behind us maybe,
just maybe, we could approach our problems rationally and find better
solutions than what has happened today and what will happen as a result
of it.

Some people will think the perpetrators are going to heaven as martyrs,
some will think they are destined for hell as sinners. I just think a
lot of people died needlessly today (and every day) because of the human
fascination with "supreme beings" and this constant struggle for who has
the better imaginary friend.

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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[John Hornbuckle]

Title: Message



>like many on 
this list, I'm not American. 
 
 
Oh, so this doesn't 
affect you? Think again!
John HornbuckleNetwork ManagerTaylor 
County School District318 North Clark StreetPerry, FL 32347 
 
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RE: To Mr. Hornbuckle, non-U.S. Citizen

[John Hornbuckle]

Title: Message



I am 
an American citizen. In my message, I was responding to someone else who was not 
one.
 
 
 
John

  
  -Original Message-From: Normand Dionne 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:16 
  PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: To Mr. Hornbuckle, 
  non-U.S. Citizen
  I 
  see Perry FL in your address Mr. Hornbuckle. Like through the internet, 
  everything that happens in this world touches everyone else.  It is still 
  my hope that direct communications from the one to the many via the internet 
  would help end this sort of violence in pursuit of senseless nationalistic 
  identities which are valued more than the people they are supposed to 
  benefit.
   
  This is not 
  about highly religious values of one group over another. The people who did 
  this and those who supported this are simply greedy for power themselves. They 
  sacrifice the integrity of their souls in doing this and drag a great number 
  of the unsuspecting with them.
   
  It 
  is my further hope that our response, the response of those who are American 
  Citizens and who believe in the freedoms which again today show their true 
  cost, will not become terrorists themselves, sweeping both the guilty and 
  innocent away in broad undisciplined strokes.
   
  So 
  let this American state for the record today that I am a Citizen of the World. 
  If you are not an American Citizen, please join in with me as Citizen of the 
  World. 
   
  My 
  prayers go to the victims, to those who must now react and to those who did 
  this, for those who did this will pay a dear price.
   
   
  Normand DionneUH HiloAcademic Computing 
  Services808-974-7768 (Voice and FAX) 
  
-Original Message-From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 
11, 2001 8:01 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
NewYork Terrorist Attack
>like many 
on this list, I'm not American. 
 
 
Oh, so this doesn't 
affect you? Think again!
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RE: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

[John Hornbuckle]

I think some conservatives would say that it's not the government's
position to tell a vendor what he can or can't charge for his products
or services. If a vendor chooses to charge obscene rates, he should have
the freedom to do so. By the same token, consumers have the freedom to
never spend a single penny with that vendor again--thus driving him out
of business as punishment for his foolish pricing move. A conservative
might argue that we can protect ourselves in this situation by voting
with our wallets, and that we don't need government to step in and do it
for us.





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John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Richard McClary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?


But the message of "Compassionate Conservatism" is supposed to let these

station owners do that...

At 09:15 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Darn right they are!
>
>-Original Message-
>
>I hope you guys in the Bloomington? Peoria area remember which gas 
>stations were gouging when things go back to normal. Those people are 
>the enemy too!


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RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about

[John Hornbuckle]

On top of Revelation, the book of Daniel also makes for an interesting
read.

I'm not going to use this forum (or my employer's time) to proselytize.
I would just encourage those who do not believe that the Bible is the
word of God to maybe reconsider when Israel becomes involved in an
all-out war in the Middle East. If I'm wrong and the war never happens,
you can thumb your nose at me and laugh. But if I'm right and the war
DOES happen, grab yourself a Bible and start reading it with the state
of mind that it may not just be a book full of fiction after all.
Intellectuality and faith are not mutually exclusive.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter, so please withhold the flames
(unless you want to send them to me personally off the list).


____
John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347



-Original Message-
From: Matthew Western [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about


Hi People,
I'd just like to express sadness to all the people in the US effected by
the attacks on US.  I think it's disgusting and should be punished.
While people everywhere are in a state of shock/uncertainty/fear it's
worth thinking about where each of us are going to spend our eternal
destiny.  The Bible predicts basically a World War 3 where everyone will
attack Israel and try to wipe them off the face off the earth...
Revelation is an interesting book to read through Have a good
day (and think about the following excert). Regards Matthew


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RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about

[John Hornbuckle]

For an interesting commentary on this particular Nostradamus prediction,
check this out:

http://www.ed.brocku.ca/~nmarshal/nostradamus.htm




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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 


-Original Message-
From: Greg J. Ewy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about


Thanks for the expressions of support.  Means much to us, knowing that
there are lots of others throughout the world who feel the pain, and are
supportive.

Revelations, Armaggeddon, and Nostradamus have been on my mind lots
today.

In the City of God there will be a great thunder, 
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, 
while the fortress endures, 
the great leader will succumb

The third big war will begin when the big city is burning
- Nostradamus 1654 



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RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about

[John Hornbuckle]

Hm... Maybe click on the link stamped at the bottom of every message you
receive from the list?



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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Blanco, Juan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about


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RE: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

[John Hornbuckle]

To which a conservative would reply that consumers have to live with the
consequences of their choices. If they're willing to knowingly put up
with being ripped off, perhaps they deserve to continue to be ripped
off...



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Witt, Michael S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?


A realist would figure out that it takes a full time effort to get
people to boycott anything.  People will put up with a lot for
convienence, even being ripped off...


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RE: Flags across America

[John Hornbuckle]

If you can find a store that isn't sold out...



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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 



-Original Message-
From: Luke Brumbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Flags across America


I just got this in the mail, (several times).  I don't know if there is
anything to it or if it is just one of those chain mails,but what the
heck.

To show those terrorists that we Americans stick together, FRIDAY
SEPTEMBER 14 is "Flags Across America." All Americans are asked to
display the American flag either in their homes or cars. Let's keep the
meaning of UNITED in "United States". Pass this onto as many people as
you know.

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OT: Automated e-mail-sending application?

[John Hornbuckle]

This isn't NT-specific, and for that I apologize. I wasn't sure where
else to turn, though, for some expert advice.

The Superintendent of our school district wants to be able to have an
e-mail message automatically sent to staff members on their birthday.
Can anyone recommend a simple application that will accomplish this?



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RE: A message to Stu

[John Hornbuckle]

Okay--I'll be the one to ask... Why would you subscribe to an NT System
Admin Issues mailing list if you weren't running or administering NT?


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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: genec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A message to Stu


Stu, this is Gene.  I have been trying for weeks to get unsubscribe to
the newsletter.  Mainly because of the so many e-mails to deal with.
Most of the information I cannot use, because I do not have NT.  It
sounds as though they have a multitude of problems with NT. Mercy.  I
have had as many as 1000 e-mails to deal with some days.  I enjoy
reading them, and learning, but it is too much some days.  Thanks for
your help

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RE: OT: Automated e-mail-sending application?

[John Hornbuckle]

Thanks, but I'm not a programmer. I'm afraid VB code would be a bit out
of my league.

Although I *can* handle some PERL, if anyone has any recommendations...


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John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

-Original Message-
From: Steve Kelsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: Automated e-mail-sending application?


I wrote a module for doing this in VB if you would like the code.

Steve Kelsay
Network Administration Group
South Carolina Department of Revenue
301 Gervais Street
Columbia, SC 29201

(803) 898-5522

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/13/01 11:09AM >>>
This isn't NT-specific, and for that I apologize. I wasn't sure where
else to turn, though, for some expert advice.

The Superintendent of our school district wants to be able to have an
e-mail message automatically sent to staff members on their birthday.
Can anyone recommend a simple application that will accomplish this?




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RE: [LIST ADMIN MESSAGE] NY ATTACK

[John Hornbuckle]

Did you miss it when this was addressed on Tuesday, the day the world
changed?

As life gets back underway, the list has been getting back on topic.
There are still some off-topic threads going on, but I personally don't
have a problem with it at this point. I feel confident that they'll
continue to taper off, and by Monday I would imagine that things will be
fairly well back to normal on the list.



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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

-Original Message-
From: Wil Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [LIST ADMIN MESSAGE] NY ATTACK


why is it ok to have non technical discussions in this list?
I don't think so.

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RE: Virus Liability

[John Hornbuckle]

Title: Message



In 
most cases, both companies would be equally at fault. The sending company and 
the receiving company both would be susceptible to the infection; the sending 
company just happened to get it first.
John HornbuckleNetwork ManagerTaylor 
County School District318 North Clark StreetPerry, FL 32347 


  
  -Original Message-From: David James 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 
  14, 2001 10:18 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  Virus Liability
  
  No.  I don't believe 
  so.
   
   
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: Martin 
  Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:07 
  AMTo: NT System Admin 
  IssuesSubject: Virus 
  Liability
   
  
  Can a company be held liable for 
  the damage a virus sent from their email system does to another companies 
  system?
  
   
  Martin 
  Blackstone
  
  Director, Information 
  Technologies
  
  Superior Access Insurance 
  Services
  
  949.470.2111 
  x279
  
   
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RE: Question for Stu:

[John Hornbuckle]

Title: Message



Re: 
the candles... My wife just e-mailed me that CNN is saying 10:00 PM EST, 7:00 PM 
PST...
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Security Bulletin Confusion - Can you help?

[John Hornbuckle]

Gang,
   I think I've been staring at this stuff too long... I'm starting to
go nuts!
   I'm going back over things and making sure all of my servers are
properly patched. I think the fact that NIMDA couldn't get to me was a
good sign. Still, I want to be sure.
   I'm looking at MS01-044 (the IIS cumulative patch), which apparently
came out on 8/15/01. When did the SRP come out? On 7/26/01? Was there a
security bulletin associated with the SRP, or just the Q299444 KB
article?
   I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what bulletins came out
AFTER the SRP. I've installed the SRP, but I also want to make sure I
haven't missed any post-SRP patches.


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Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2

[John Hornbuckle]

Grrr...

Now I'm looking at MS01-041, which is title "Malformed RPC Request Can
Cause Service Failure" and MS01-048, which is titled "Malformed Request
to RPC Endpoint Mapper can Cause RPC Service to Fail."

Are these two separate issues, or are they related?

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RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2

[John Hornbuckle]

Yeah, but HFNETCHK doesn't work on my server. Never has, and I've tried
every suggestion everyone has made to make it work.



-Original Message-
From: Jim Busick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2


I still think that nothing beats HFNETCHK as it compares your registry
settings with the current MS hotfix database. Nothing like realtime.

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q303/2/15.ASP

> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2
> 
> 
> Grrr...
> 
> Now I'm looking at MS01-041, which is title "Malformed RPC Request Can

> Cause Service Failure" and MS01-048, which is titled "Malformed 
> Request to RPC Endpoint Mapper can Cause RPC Service to Fail."
> 
> Are these two separate issues, or are they related?
> 
> 
> John Hornbuckle
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> 318 North Clark Street
> Perry, FL 32347
> 
> 
> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
> 

http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm



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RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2

[John Hornbuckle]

Well, that doesn't help me secure my servers--it's for workstations
only.

-Original Message-
From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 5:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2


http://www.microsoft.com/technet/mpsa/start.asp 

how about Microsoft personal security advisor? Try

Mal Sasalu
Information Systems & Facilities
Phone: (403) 295-4914 NovAtel Inc.
Fax:  (403) 295-45011120 68th Avenue
NE
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Calgary, AB  T2E
8S5
 
http://www.novatel.ca


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RE: Security Bulletin Confusion - Can you help?

[John Hornbuckle]

Windows Update?

Now I must be REALLY confused. I thought that only showed you updates
that needed to be installed for your browser. I've never seen it show me
that OS or IIS security updates needed to be installed.

It looks like MS01-026 was the most recent IIS-related update to go in
the SRP, and MS01-041 was the latest OS-related update. If that's so,
then it looks like the following should be installed after the SRP:

MS01-033
MS01-043
MS01-044
MS01-048

Does that sound about right?

MS01-044 is the IIS cumulative patch. I'm not sure what's in it that
isn't in the SRP.

MS01-041 and MS01-048 look to be nearly identical. Are they really, or
are they separate?




____
John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

-Original Message-
From: Dowling, Glenn M (Glenn)** CTR ** [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Security Bulletin Confusion - Can you help?


John:

There was no security bulletin associated with the SRP that I am aware
of. There is a MS website that provides more information about the SRP
--
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/itso
luti
ons/security/news/nt4srp.asp> (may be wrapped)

However, you can go to the MS Windows Update website
<http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com> and click on "Product Updates" to
see what your server(s) may be missing.

Hope that helps...

> Glenn M. Dowling
> IBM Global Services @ Lucent Technologies
> Work: 732.949.6456
> Fax: 732.834.6413
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 16:29
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Security Bulletin Confusion - Can you help?


Gang,
   I think I've been staring at this stuff too long... I'm starting to
go nuts!
   I'm going back over things and making sure all of my servers are
properly patched. I think the fact that NIMDA couldn't get to me was a
good sign. Still, I want to be sure.
   I'm looking at MS01-044 (the IIS cumulative patch), which apparently
came out on 8/15/01. When did the SRP come out? On 7/26/01? Was there a
security bulletin associated with the SRP, or just the Q299444 KB
article?
   I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what bulletins came out
AFTER the SRP. I've installed the SRP, but I also want to make sure I
haven't missed any post-SRP patches.


John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347


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RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2

[John Hornbuckle]

The problem is that on one server (the most important server, no less)
it keeps telling me it can't find the XML file even though the XML file
is clearly present.



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Greg Page [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2


How about creating a dir names hotfix on your computer with all the
files associated with hfnetchk and running HFNETCHK on you workstation,
then copying all that to the server and running c:\\hfnetchk -x
mssecure.xml

It's always works for me.

Greg


-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 5:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2


Yeah, but HFNETCHK doesn't work on my server. Never has, and I've tried
every suggestion everyone has made to make it work.



-Original Message-
From: Jim Busick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2


I still think that nothing beats HFNETCHK as it compares your registry
settings with the current MS hotfix database. Nothing like realtime.

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q303/2/15.ASP

> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2
> 
> 
> Grrr...
> 
> Now I'm looking at MS01-041, which is title "Malformed RPC Request Can

> Cause Service Failure" and MS01-048, which is titled "Malformed 
> Request to RPC Endpoint Mapper can Cause RPC Service to Fail."
> 
> Are these two separate issues, or are they related?
> 
> 
> John Hornbuckle
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> 318 North Clark Street
> Perry, FL 32347
> 
> 
> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
> 

http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm



http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm

http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm



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RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2

[John Hornbuckle]

Yepper. But it doesn't work.


John

-Original Message-
From: Greg Page [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 9:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2


Do you use the -x mssecure.xml switch?

Greg


-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 9:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2


The problem is that on one server (the most important server, no less)
it keeps telling me it can't find the XML file even though the XML file
is clearly present.


____
John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Greg Page [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2


How about creating a dir names hotfix on your computer with all the
files associated with hfnetchk and running HFNETCHK on you workstation,
then copying all that to the server and running c:\\hfnetchk -x
mssecure.xml

It's always works for me.

Greg


-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 5:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2


Yeah, but HFNETCHK doesn't work on my server. Never has, and I've tried
every suggestion everyone has made to make it work.



-Original Message-
From: Jim Busick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2


I still think that nothing beats HFNETCHK as it compares your registry
settings with the current MS hotfix database. Nothing like realtime.

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q303/2/15.ASP

> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 1:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Security Bulletin Confusion Part 2
> 
> 
> Grrr...
> 
> Now I'm looking at MS01-041, which is title "Malformed RPC Request Can

> Cause Service Failure" and MS01-048, which is titled "Malformed 
> Request to RPC Endpoint Mapper can Cause RPC Service to Fail."
> 
> Are these two separate issues, or are they related?
> 
> 
> John Hornbuckle
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> 318 North Clark Street
> Perry, FL 32347
> 
> 
> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
> 

http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm



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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

That's just SO embarrassing. I hope someone at Microsoft lost their job
over that.



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 


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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

That's just SO embarrassing. I hope someone at Microsoft lost their job
over that.



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 


http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm

RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

I didn't say that.

What I said was that the person at Microsoft who was responsible for
maintaining such a high-profile Web site should be fired if they failed
to keep that site up-to-date. Not having properly-patched servers is a
terrible embarrassment for Microsoft (assuming that this is how NIMDA
got through the gate).

And let me turn your question around... Should there be no
accountability? Should everyone who failed to maintain proper security
be patted on the back and told they're doing a good job? Aren't we
supposed to be professionals? Aren't we paid to do our best to prevent
this sort of thing from happening?

We all screw up sometimes. I'm certainly not perfect myself, and I don't
expect anyone else to be. What I *do* expect is that system
administrators will take reasonable measures to ensure the security of
their systems. I don't think it's unrealistic for the world to be able
to rely on us to do our best to ensure that our servers don't get
infected by a worm that exploits a vulnerability that was identified a
year ago (the web server folder traversal issue was first addressed in
MS00-057 in August of 2000).



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda


So everyone who got Nimda should be fired?


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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

No, I apparently didn't (thank goodness).

Information is still coming out about this nasty, but it appears that
none of my servers were vulnerable. I don't browse the Web or use them
for e-mail, which excludes two methods of infection. And they all have
the SRP installed (in addition to other patches), which (according to
the MS article on NIMDA) closes those vulnerabilities.


____
John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda


Did u get Nimda?


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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

What conclusions am I jumping to, and what releases do you presume I'm
not reading?

And you're correct... There IS a difference between a large organization
and a school district. The difference is that the large organization has
a greater responsibility to ensure security--not to mention vastly more
resources with which to do it.

I'm sorry, but I think sysadmins have been dropping the ball too much
lately. Again, I know we're not all perfect. I'm sure there are
vulnerabilities my servers have that I've missed. I know that if anyone
wanted badly enough to get into them, they would find success. But I
also know that we've not been vulnerable to Code Red, Code Red II, or
NIMDA because we've stayed up-to-date on patches and general security
issues.

We all know the saying: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame
on ME.

Code Red should've been a wakeup call to sysadmins everywhere
(personally, I was already awake because a prior hack attempt months
earlier had been MY wakeup call). Apparently, some people didn't learn
their lesson, though, and still had unpatched servers. What's their
excuse--particularly in a large company?



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda


I think it best that you read the releases. That way you will have a
better grasp of how the Virus/worm spreads and will not jump to
conclusions. Granted you have a point but I am sure that the differing
methods in which a large organisation works and a school cannot be
compared.


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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

 of a recovery.

5. There is a TFTPserver component to this I'm told, and it may well be
that its left up and running for anyone to connect to. Make sure you
check for any activity to/from the box and inspect it to see if it is
TFTP. TFTP normally uses UDP69, but might be using anything if its setup
by the virus/worm.

Cheers,
Russ - Surgeon General of TruSecure Corporation/NTBugtraq Editor
===









John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 



-Original Message-
From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda


How many users do you support?  How many servers and PC's do you
support? How many people are on your staff?

I WAS patched against Code Red.  I had several attempts to infect my
system, but it never got through.  THIS did.  I have NO idea how or why.

I applaud you being the admin guru that you'd have us believe that you
are.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda


I didn't say that.

What I said was that the person at Microsoft who was responsible for
maintaining such a high-profile Web site should be fired if they failed
to keep that site up-to-date. Not having properly-patched servers is a
terrible embarrassment for Microsoft (assuming that this is how NIMDA
got through the gate).

And let me turn your question around... Should there be no
accountability? Should everyone who failed to maintain proper security
be patted on the back and told they're doing a good job? Aren't we
supposed to be professionals? Aren't we paid to do our best to prevent
this sort of thing from happening?

We all screw up sometimes. I'm certainly not perfect myself, and I don't
expect anyone else to be. What I *do* expect is that system
administrators will take reasonable measures to ensure the security of
their systems. I don't think it's unrealistic for the world to be able
to rely on us to do our best to ensure that our servers don't get
infected by a worm that exploits a vulnerability that was identified a
year ago (the web server folder traversal issue was first addressed in
MS00-057 in August of 2000).



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda


So everyone who got Nimda should be fired?


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RE: Is IE4 vulnerable to nimda?

[John Hornbuckle]

I've not seen mention, either, but I'm curious. After all, Microsoft's
own IIS Security Checklist recommends using IE4 on IIS machines...


____
John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Is IE4 vulnerable to nimda?


I haven't seen any mention of it one way or the other.  Anyone know?

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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

Okay, okay... I'll back off and take a wait-and-see approach. Let's wait
a few days as research continues and find out if there's a way a server
could get infected other than the methods that have already been
discovered. If it turns out that Microsoft was "lazy on their end",
though, then my initial feeling that someone should lose their job will
be justified.

The other option is that there's some new, unknown exploit out there
that NIMDA used. I guess I was just lucky that my servers were
apparently not vulnerable to that exploit and that the 16 attempts it
uses to break in all result in 404 errors in the logs. If this turns out
to be the case, I'll be eating crow. But I'm not ashamed to admit when
I'm wrong, so this won't be too painful!

We'll have to disagree over whether admins are dropping the
ball--although surely we can agree that SOMEONE is dropping it. Code Red
exploited a vulnerability that had been fixed some time earlier (over a
month, as I recall). Why were so many servers unpatched? And whose
responsibility was it to patch them, if not ours?



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Clayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda


But are you sure that MS has all of the bits in place to protect your
network? They may have been infected because of something that has been
overlooked, and not because one of their sysadmins was playing quake.
They may have all of the patches they have in place, but were still hit
from the side door. If they overlooked it for themselves, how can you be
sure all of the patches you have will sort you out?

I don't agree that sysadmins have been dropping the ball lately either.
There is more than one ball to carry in most cases, and the trick is
keeping them all up in the air at the same time. It is much easier to
secure a small system than a large one as well, which only adds to the
challenges we all have the pleasure of dealing with daily.

I fully agree that we should always be prepared for all known threats,
but the key work there is known. I certainly don't know all of the
threats out there, and have to take MS on faith in terms of what Service
Pack or hotfix I need to protect my systems, so I hope they were lazy on
their end, at least that way I know we are cool here. If they had all of
the patches in, and still got it anyways, then I guess we are all in for
some long nights.

Clayton Doige 
IT Manager MCSE, MCP + I
Gameday International N.V. 
Bound in a nutshell, King of infinite space... 

T: +5 999 736 0309 ext 4537
C: +5 999 563 1845 
F: +5 999 733 1259 
E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

Wow... It's already time to eat a little crow!

Turns out that Microsoft was only SORT OF infected:

http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5097206,00.html?chkpt=zdnn
p1tp02

Their Web server was shootin', but it was shootin' blanks.


____
John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 


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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

Yes, that's correct.

Let's say a mechanic's hand slips when he's working on my car. What's
the worst that can happen? Maybe he damages a part and has to pay out of
his own pocket to replace it. No big deal.

Now let's a doctor's hand slips while he's operating on me. He ends up
cutting my heart, causing me to bleed to death. The consequences for his
mistake are going to be much harsher than the mechanic's, right?

Microsoft is asking people to trust sensitive information to their
servers (through the Passport initiative). Don't you think it's fairly
critical that their servers stay secure? And don't you think that if
someone fails to do their part in maintaining that security, there
should be serious consequences?



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda



Pardon me. Did I read this right?
Someone at MS makes a mistake and he should be fired.
You make a mistake and you eat crow?

--Charles


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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

Nah... It's such a tiny amount that I can handle it raw!




John 

-Original Message-
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 2:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda


I've heard it's better when fried...  ;o)

-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda


Wow... It's already time to eat a little crow!

Turns out that Microsoft was only SORT OF infected:

http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5097206,00.html?chkpt=zdnn
p1tp02

Their Web server was shootin', but it was shootin' blanks.


____
John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 


http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm



http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm



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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

There are certainly consequences if I don't do my job right. If I
couldn't keep the network running smoothly or my servers were constantly
getting infected by the worm du jour, I would find myself out of work in
no time.


____
John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda



The doc has malpractice insurance and stays employed. The mechanic
apoligies and tries not to repeat mistakes. You. no taxes for you!

--Charles


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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

Some mistakes are worse than others. The worse the mistake, the harsher
the punishment.

Sometimes people need to be fired.



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 



-Original Message-
From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda




If firing someone or cutting off somebody's head for any mistake was an
answer, you'd have heard bombs by now!


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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

I was beginning to think I was the only person who held this opinion!



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda


Being an IT professional it has hard to point fingers anywhere but
myself for my clients who have been infected. On that note, I quickly
remind them how the proposal for Antigen or Mail Essentials sat on their
desk for the past 6 months. However, if I was working at my previous job
and we got infected with similar means I would have to answer to
somebody. Once is a mistake, twice is neglicence. 

After most people got hit with code red and all the news surrounding it
I would think they would have patched their servers, and double checked
everything. Afterall codered was just a couple of months ago, on the
same exploit used by this one. 

I hope the FBI doesn't function this way else Im staying out of large
buildings for another few years.. :)

The bottom line is its hard to be 100%, 100% of the time, but to be hit
by the same vulnerability that was exploited months ago, and patched
months before that is really not an excuse. If you are Microsoft, Dell
etc etc this error is simply magnified due to the popularity of the
sites..





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RE: Bandwidth donation needed

[John Hornbuckle]

Hm... I went to that link, and the message from FotoTime says they think
it's a router utilization problem rather than a hosting problem. Maybe
their router was being overwhelmed from NIMDA, and they thought it was
because of this guy?



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Russ Braaten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Bandwidth donation needed


Sorry for the off-topic.  If any folks are so inclined, there is a site
memorializing the tragedy and the world wide response, that has run his
provider out of bandwidth.  It is a non-commercial site and is looking
for a new place (donated, possibly) to have the site hosted.  I am not
involved in the site, but thought I would ask. You can visit the site
at: http://clkoberg.com/9-11-01/index.html
Be sure to click on the "See here for more details" link at the top of
the first page.

Russ Braaten, MCSE, MCP+I

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RE: Microsoft Has Nimda

[John Hornbuckle]

But since organizations cannot force #2 to happen, they must instead opt
for #1 (at least for the time being).



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Dillon, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda


Operant Conditioning 101: behavior is controlled by its consequences,
but most IT depts are skilled at dodging those consequences (which
reinforces THAT behavior), so nothing changes/improves.  The problem
that management has is determining whether any given admin "crime" is
worthy of the death sentence, since a firing impacts morale and often
requires a new (expensive) hire.  I see two places where improvement
could be made:  1)upgrade the multitude of admins (not fast or easy or
cheap), or 2)upgrade the product's ability to keep ITSELF patched (which
is Microsoft's baby).  There seems to be a certain efficiency in #2.


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OT: Sending 0ut 0f 0ffice replies w/ Outlook

[John Hornbuckle]

I really ate to post OT like this, but I can't seem to find the answer
to this one.

How do I configure Outlook (XP/2002) to automatically send out-of-office
replies if I'm NOT using Exchange as my e-mail server? Is this even
possible? I've found lots of info on how to do it with Exchange, but not
without.

And if it's possible to do without Exchange, how do I go about making
sure that I don't send them to mailing lists? I've been so critical of
others who do this that I would be terribly embarrassed to do it myself!


____
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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 


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RE: Sending 0ut 0f 0ffice replies w/ Outlook

[John Hornbuckle]

That was my impression, too, but I was hoping that there was another
way. It seems like rules should be powerful enough to accomplish this
somehow without requiring any special functionality on the part of the
SMTP server...



John Hornbuckle
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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 



-Original Message-
From: Ian Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Sending 0ut 0f 0ffice replies w/ Outlook


Exeverything in OL2002 points to needing Exchange for this...I could be
wrong though...!

Ian

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-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: September 26, 2001 09:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Sending 0ut 0f 0ffice replies w/ Outlook


I really ate to post OT like this, but I can't seem to find the answer
to this one.

How do I configure Outlook (XP/2002) to automatically send out-of-office
replies if I'm NOT using Exchange as my e-mail server? Is this even
possible? I've found lots of info on how to do it with Exchange, but not
without.

And if it's possible to do without Exchange, how do I go about making
sure that I don't send them to mailing lists? I've been so critical of
others who do this that I would be terribly embarrassed to do it myself!


____
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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 


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RE: Sending 0ut 0f 0ffice replies w/ Outlook

[John Hornbuckle]

I can live with this, actually. When I'm out, I leave Outlook running
because I can't seem to HotSync my Palm with it properly if it's not
running.

The question is, what type of rule do I set up? I'm no expert on Outlook
rules. I've created a sample one that seems to be on the right track,
but it's not quite working. I'm using a rule that is applied to all
messages addressed just to me, and I chose the "Reply using a specific
template" option. This seemed the most logical choice. I've not worked
with templates before, though.

Does anyone know if I'm headed in the right direction with this?



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

-Original Message-
From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Sending 0ut 0f 0ffice replies w/ Outlook


The problem is that the Outlook rules only run while the client is open.
The change Server processes the OOO rule when your mail arrives there.
If you left Outlook running and set a rule to auto reply to all messages
(excepting your mailing lists) with an OOO message I think it would
work. You'd also have to have it periodically connect to the mail
server.  

The weak side to this arrangement is if your computer crashes, someone
else closes Outlook, you have a power outage, etc. then the auto reply
stops working.

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Sending 0ut 0f 0ffice replies w/ Outlook


That was my impression, too, but I was hoping that there was another
way. It seems like rules should be powerful enough to accomplish this
somehow without requiring any special functionality on the part of the
SMTP server...



John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 



-Original Message-
From: Ian Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Sending 0ut 0f 0ffice replies w/ Outlook


Exeverything in OL2002 points to needing Exchange for this...I could be
wrong though...!

Ian

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---------
 


-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: September 26, 2001 09:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Sending 0ut 0f 0ffice replies w/ Outlook


I really ate to post OT like this, but I can't seem to find the answer
to this one.

How do I configure Outlook (XP/2002) to automatically send out-of-office
replies if I'm NOT using Exchange as my e-mail server? Is this even
possible? I've found lots of info on how to do it with Exchange, but not
without.

And if it's possible to do without Exchange, how do I go about making
sure that I don't send them to mailing lists? I've been so critical of
others who do this that I would be terribly embarrassed to do it myself!



John Hornbuckle
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Perry, FL 32347 


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RE: Outlook Security

[John Hornbuckle]

Title: Message



Is 
this Outlook XP/2002? If so, check out this KB article:
 
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q290/4/97.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0&qry=attachments%20security&rnk=3&src="DHCS_MSPSS_gn_SRCH&SPR=OL2002
 
It describes a registry entry you can create/modify to block files with 
specific extensions. The attachments will still come in, but users won't be able 
to open/view them.
John 
HornbuckleNetwork ManagerTaylor County School District318 North 
Clark StreetPerry, FL 3234 7
 
-Original 
Message-From: MHR(Michael Ross) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:45 AMTo: NT System 
Admin IssuesSubject: Outlook Security

  Anyone know how to block 
  attachments with the extention of .mp_?
   
   
  im running windows 2000 
  AD, and Exchange 5.5 , with the outlook security patches in 
  place.
  in addition we are 
  running NAVSE
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RE: Network Login

[John Hornbuckle]

http://www.optronics.gr/Tutorials/ethernet.htm
http://www.helmig.com/j_helmig/netrule.htm



John Hornbuckle
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Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 



-Original Message-
From: Dewar Charles R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Network Login


I give. What's the 5,4,3 rule?

-Original Message-
From: Neil Harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Network Login


how many devices do you have segmenting your network? Are you breaking
the 5,4,3 rule? Neil


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Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

[John Hornbuckle]

I'm having problems logging into and download from the
licensing.microsoft.com site. Is it just me? I'm getting "Internet
Explorer cannot display the webpage" at various points. Sometimes when
trying to login, or sometimes after logging in when trying to download.
This was happening on Friday, so I figured I'd give MS the weekend to
fix things. But it's Monday morning and I'm still having problems.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

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RE: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

[John Hornbuckle]

Well, at least I'm not the only one having problems. But I *really* need
to download something, so I hope they get their crap together soon...




-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

I'm having problems logging into and download from the
licensing.microsoft.com site. Is it just me? I'm getting "Internet
Explorer cannot display the webpage" at various points. Sometimes when
trying to login, or sometimes after logging in when trying to download.
This was happening on Friday, so I figured I'd give MS the weekend to
fix things. But it's Monday morning and I'm still having problems.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

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RE: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

[John Hornbuckle]

No, scratch that... The download manager pops up, shows the file it's
trying to download, and simply says "Error."

Not a very helpful error message...



-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

Interestingly, from my XP VM within this Vista machine, I don't have the
problem. I'm downloading my product now...


-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

No, IE 7 on Vista.



-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

Are you using Firefox by chance?

Joe Heaton
-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

I'm having problems logging into and download from the
licensing.microsoft.com site. Is it just me? I'm getting "Internet
Explorer cannot display the webpage" at various points. Sometimes when
trying to login, or sometimes after logging in when trying to download.
This was happening on Friday, so I figured I'd give MS the weekend to
fix things. But it's Monday morning and I'm still having problems.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us




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RE: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

[John Hornbuckle]

Interestingly, from my XP VM within this Vista machine, I don't have the
problem. I'm downloading my product now...


-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

No, IE 7 on Vista.



-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

Are you using Firefox by chance?

Joe Heaton
-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

I'm having problems logging into and download from the
licensing.microsoft.com site. Is it just me? I'm getting "Internet
Explorer cannot display the webpage" at various points. Sometimes when
trying to login, or sometimes after logging in when trying to download.
This was happening on Friday, so I figured I'd give MS the weekend to
fix things. But it's Monday morning and I'm still having problems.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us




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RE: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

[John Hornbuckle]

No, IE 7 on Vista.



-Original Message-
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

Are you using Firefox by chance?

Joe Heaton
-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Problems w/ licensing.microsoft.com

I'm having problems logging into and download from the
licensing.microsoft.com site. Is it just me? I'm getting "Internet
Explorer cannot display the webpage" at various points. Sometimes when
trying to login, or sometimes after logging in when trying to download.
This was happening on Friday, so I figured I'd give MS the weekend to
fix things. But it's Monday morning and I'm still having problems.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us




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RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

[John Hornbuckle]

I hear what you're saying, but when most employers want to hire people
with a degree, they don't care when that degree was earned. There are
very few jobs where it matters whether the degree was earned a month ago
or a decade ago-all that matters is that the degree was earned.

 

If I had to choose, I'd rather have a ten-year-old college degree than a
ten-year-old certification.

 

Of course, in a perfect world, one would have both degrees and
up-to-date certs.

 

 

 

John

 

 

 

From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

Hey John,

 

I am in a similar situation as you however I disagree with your
statement that "degrees are forever".

 

An AA or Bachelors Degree only shows you have invested more time in
yourself to gain insight into a specific field of study and/or proves
you have a higher level of education in the basics such as English, Math
etc.

 

A degree is basically the same as any certification. It only shows you
have invested more time in getting to know the basics of a specific
field of study.

 

Even Professors have to continue their studies as new discoveries are
made to keep up with the changing times.

 

My 2 (Uneducated) Cents,

Tom

 

 

________

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

I've got a young woman (early 20's) working for me as a PC technician.
The position requires A+ and Network+ certifications, which she has. She
was commenting earlier this week that very little of what she learned in
the certification process has helped her out in the field. The things
you come across in the real world just can't be duplicate in books.
That's not to say that certification is useless, but we all know that
certs alone aren't worth much.

 

I've got over 10 years of experience, and the only certs I have are A+,
Net+, and I-Net+. When I found myself with time to study, I didn't go
for more certs-I finished my Bachelor's degree (I had dropped out of
college as a junior, having already earned my AA). The next step for me
is a Master's; I'd rather spend my time and energy on that than certs.
Certs have a limited shelf life, but degrees are forever.

 

After the Master's, I may look into additional certs. But that will be a
few years.

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I can see where you are coming from, I find myself at this familiar
cross-roads. It seems that re-certification is necessary evil now, but
probably going the SSCP/CISSP ISC2 route because its vendor/neutral and
it really peaks my interest, and never gets boring. Plus it doesn't
pigeonhole me into supporting one OS over another or one technology over
another. 

 

But honestly, experience is the best teacher. How many times I have sat
in a class, and you knew the professor didn't have much real-world
experience, and basically was teaching you the theory of how things are
supposed to go, which we both know doesn't always work out to what it
really does, when you get down to it. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Netwok Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

The time to study + the time to commit to hands on related work that may
intefere with studying for a masters/phd..  

I've thought about pursuing one or the other but the current work load
just allow time. Of course there's also part-time and/or online
schooling as an option. I'd say it could depend on just how much you're
looking to get out of the classes and whether you function better in a
classroom or working from home. Having the 2000/2003 MS certs I'm now
having to consider tackling the 2008 certs or make the jump to another
industry platform like Cisco. Talk about wanting to pull the covers back
over my head! 

At this stage in my life I've come to the conclusion that I won't become
rich or wealthy working in this field unless I stumble across a nice
patent. I believe in the "glass ceiling" and that you can max out if
you're not constantly working to stay educated in some capacity. My fear
is the same I had when I was in college and that was that my real world
experiences were educating me a lot better than the classroom

RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

[John Hornbuckle]

I've got a young woman (early 20's) working for me as a PC technician.
The position requires A+ and Network+ certifications, which she has. She
was commenting earlier this week that very little of what she learned in
the certification process has helped her out in the field. The things
you come across in the real world just can't be duplicate in books.
That's not to say that certification is useless, but we all know that
certs alone aren't worth much.

 

I've got over 10 years of experience, and the only certs I have are A+,
Net+, and I-Net+. When I found myself with time to study, I didn't go
for more certs-I finished my Bachelor's degree (I had dropped out of
college as a junior, having already earned my AA). The next step for me
is a Master's; I'd rather spend my time and energy on that than certs.
Certs have a limited shelf life, but degrees are forever.

 

After the Master's, I may look into additional certs. But that will be a
few years.

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I can see where you are coming from, I find myself at this familiar
cross-roads. It seems that re-certification is necessary evil now, but
probably going the SSCP/CISSP ISC2 route because its vendor/neutral and
it really peaks my interest, and never gets boring. Plus it doesn't
pigeonhole me into supporting one OS over another or one technology over
another. 

 

But honestly, experience is the best teacher. How many times I have sat
in a class, and you knew the professor didn't have much real-world
experience, and basically was teaching you the theory of how things are
supposed to go, which we both know doesn't always work out to what it
really does, when you get down to it. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Netwok Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

The time to study + the time to commit to hands on related work that may
intefere with studying for a masters/phd..  

I've thought about pursuing one or the other but the current work load
just allow time. Of course there's also part-time and/or online
schooling as an option. I'd say it could depend on just how much you're
looking to get out of the classes and whether you function better in a
classroom or working from home. Having the 2000/2003 MS certs I'm now
having to consider tackling the 2008 certs or make the jump to another
industry platform like Cisco. Talk about wanting to pull the covers back
over my head! 

At this stage in my life I've come to the conclusion that I won't become
rich or wealthy working in this field unless I stumble across a nice
patent. I believe in the "glass ceiling" and that you can max out if
you're not constantly working to stay educated in some capacity. My fear
is the same I had when I was in college and that was that my real world
experiences were educating me a lot better than the classroom subject
matter. So I figure to work towards building some type of residual
income, start another venture, build, start etc. At that point I'd be
paying for classes or subject matter that's gonna help to keep the cycle
going. If I make it back to school it'll be because I'd have the time
and flexibility. (nothing like dreaming) 
 


 

On 2/6/08, Jim Majorowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

 

It depends on where you see yourself in 5 to 10 years.  Personally, I'd
go for the MBA if I had the time, even though I'd never use it.

 

From: Phil Guevara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I was wondering what everyone's opinion is on this.

 

Let's say you have your MCSE cert or other industry standard cert and
over 5 years solid experience, but no degree.

 

Which degree would be best to compliment this?

 

CIS degree, Computer Science Degree, Business Degree, other?

 

I noticed the CS program deals more with programming and not really the
stuff a systems administrator would do.  A CIS degree might be aligned
with it but wouldn't that just be redundant to the MCSE and experience?
Would a Business degree show you as a well rounded person?

Best Regards,

Phil

 

 

 




















 


 











 


 











 


 

 





 


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RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

[John Hornbuckle]

In my (limited) experience, many larger companies require both degrees
and certification. Maybe not for entry-level positions, but certainly
for folks who want to climb the ladder.

 

I may well be biased because I was just raised to believe that just
about everyone ought to try to get a college degree. There are
exceptions, of course, like the kids who go to vocational school to
learn to be welders or hairstylists (let me make it clear that there's
absolutely nothing wrong with professions such as those). But in the
21st century, the majority of professional positions require a degree.
Growing up, it just never occurred to me to consider skipping college.

 

Clearly, degrees and certs both have value. I think we all agree on
that. Having both a degree and certs would be ideal for someone who
wants to have the most options available.

 

 

 

John

 

 

 

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

It is really an apples and oranges kind of comparison. What about the
question of a 1 year old cert or a 20 year old degree? Because that is
what will usually end up happening in the real world. A big part of the
equation is whether your long term goals are to be a "people" manager or
a "technology" manager. People managers will find an MBA much more
useful down the road than a manager of technology. The technologist will
generally find the certification much more valuable in the long run.

YMMV,

Tim

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I hear what you're saying, but when most employers want to hire people
with a degree, they don't care when that degree was earned. There are
very few jobs where it matters whether the degree was earned a month ago
or a decade ago-all that matters is that the degree was earned.

 

If I had to choose, I'd rather have a ten-year-old college degree than a
ten-year-old certification.

 

Of course, in a perfect world, one would have both degrees and
up-to-date certs.

 

 

 

John

 

 

 

From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

Hey John,

 

I am in a similar situation as you however I disagree with your
statement that "degrees are forever".

 

An AA or Bachelors Degree only shows you have invested more time in
yourself to gain insight into a specific field of study and/or proves
you have a higher level of education in the basics such as English, Math
etc.

 

A degree is basically the same as any certification. It only shows you
have invested more time in getting to know the basics of a specific
field of study.

 

Even Professors have to continue their studies as new discoveries are
made to keep up with the changing times.

 

My 2 (Uneducated) Cents,

Tom

 

 

____

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

I've got a young woman (early 20's) working for me as a PC technician.
The position requires A+ and Network+ certifications, which she has. She
was commenting earlier this week that very little of what she learned in
the certification process has helped her out in the field. The things
you come across in the real world just can't be duplicate in books.
That's not to say that certification is useless, but we all know that
certs alone aren't worth much.

 

I've got over 10 years of experience, and the only certs I have are A+,
Net+, and I-Net+. When I found myself with time to study, I didn't go
for more certs-I finished my Bachelor's degree (I had dropped out of
college as a junior, having already earned my AA). The next step for me
is a Master's; I'd rather spend my time and energy on that than certs.
Certs have a limited shelf life, but degrees are forever.

 

After the Master's, I may look into additional certs. But that will be a
few years.

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I can see where you are coming from, I find myself at this familiar
cross-roads. It seems that re-certification is necessary evil now, but
probably going the SSCP/CISSP ISC2 route because its vendor/neutral and
it really peaks my interest, and never gets boring. Plus it doesn't
pigeonhole me into supporting one OS over another or one technology over
anot

RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

[John Hornbuckle]

I'm looking at FSU's MIS degree. The cost is $423.53 per credit hour. Add in 
books, and you're looking at maybe $1500 per class. It looks like 11 classes 
are required, for a cost of $16,500. Not too horrible. Plus, you get a tax 
break on tuition costs.

 

 

 

John

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

Good view of it. 

 

Looking at Masters in IT/Information Science also, but borrowing like 40-60K at 
8% just to get through the course, and taking Graduate Placement Exams ( MCAT? 
MCAP) doesn't thrill me either. I got enough real-world experience, to breeze 
through possibly ¼ to ½ the cirrcumlum for the MSIT degree ( CISSP at most 
accredited colleges will count for about 12-15 credits towards the Masters, 
which helps get the degree quicker) 

 

True: Running the certification rat-race does get boring after a while, but in 
IT its basically the Icing on the cake in my eyes, doing the jobs, getting the 
experience is really what it comes down to.  And hell my undergrad was in 
Mechnical Engineering, wish they had the IT Degrees back in my day in college, 
all they had was CIS ( Coding, which I loathe)

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Netwok Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I've got a young woman (early 20's) working for me as a PC technician. The 
position requires A+ and Network+ certifications, which she has. She was 
commenting earlier this week that very little of what she learned in the 
certification process has helped her out in the field. The things you come 
across in the real world just can't be duplicate in books. That's not to say 
that certification is useless, but we all know that certs alone aren't worth 
much.

 

I've got over 10 years of experience, and the only certs I have are A+, Net+, 
and I-Net+. When I found myself with time to study, I didn't go for more 
certs-I finished my Bachelor's degree (I had dropped out of college as a 
junior, having already earned my AA). The next step for me is a Master's; I'd 
rather spend my time and energy on that than certs. Certs have a limited shelf 
life, but degrees are forever.

 

After the Master's, I may look into additional certs. But that will be a few 
years.

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I can see where you are coming from, I find myself at this familiar 
cross-roads. It seems that re-certification is necessary evil now, but probably 
going the SSCP/CISSP ISC2 route because its vendor/neutral and it really peaks 
my interest, and never gets boring. Plus it doesn't pigeonhole me into 
supporting one OS over another or one technology over another. 

 

But honestly, experience is the best teacher. How many times I have sat in a 
class, and you knew the professor didn't have much real-world experience, and 
basically was teaching you the theory of how things are supposed to go, which 
we both know doesn't always work out to what it really does, when you get down 
to it. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Netwok Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

The time to study + the time to commit to hands on related work that may 
intefere with studying for a masters/phd..  

I've thought about pursuing one or the other but the current work load just 
allow time. Of course there's also part-time and/or online schooling as an 
option. I'd say it could depend on just how much you're looking to get out of 
the classes and whether you function better in a classroom or working from 
home. Having the 2000/2003 MS certs I'm now having to consider tackling the 
2008 certs or make the jump to another industry platform like Cisco. Talk about 
wanting to pull the covers back over my head! 

At this stage in my life I've come to the conclusion that I won't become rich 
or wealthy working in this field unless I stumble across a nice patent. I 
believe in the "glass ceiling" and that you can max out if you're not 
constantly working to stay educated in some capacity. My fear is the same I had 
when I was in

RE: ms forefront?

[John Hornbuckle]

The Exchange Server component, or the client component?

 

We started migrating to Forefront Client Security here over the summer,
replacing Symantec Anti Virus Corporate Edition. The price was right (MS
pricing is very competitive in the education sector), and I liked the
fact that FCS could be updated using the update infrastructure we
already have in place (WSUS). We haven't run into any problems so far,
and have put it on 240 of our ~2,000 workstations.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Thomas Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: ms forefront?

 

 

Does anyone have any experience with MS Forefront? Any caveats to this
product? The CIO brought this up in a meeting and questioned the use in
our environment for this app.

 

However, I have no experience or knowledge and thought I asked the list
on this product.

 

 

TIA

 

Thomas 

 

 





 


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RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

[John Hornbuckle]

Mine is in English, with a focus on British Literature. I was going to be an 
English teacher, but couldn't resist technology's siren song!

 

 

 

John

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I'll one up you, Z.  My undergrad is in music (Percussion).  

 

Shook

http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook  



From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

Good view of it. 

 

Looking at Masters in IT/Information Science also, but borrowing like 40-60K at 
8% just to get through the course, and taking Graduate Placement Exams ( MCAT? 
MCAP) doesn't thrill me either. I got enough real-world experience, to breeze 
through possibly ¼ to ½ the cirrcumlum for the MSIT degree ( CISSP at most 
accredited colleges will count for about 12-15 credits towards the Masters, 
which helps get the degree quicker) 

 

True: Running the certification rat-race does get boring after a while, but in 
IT its basically the Icing on the cake in my eyes, doing the jobs, getting the 
experience is really what it comes down to.  And hell my undergrad was in 
Mechnical Engineering, wish they had the IT Degrees back in my day in college, 
all they had was CIS ( Coding, which I loathe)

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Netwok Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I've got a young woman (early 20's) working for me as a PC technician. The 
position requires A+ and Network+ certifications, which she has. She was 
commenting earlier this week that very little of what she learned in the 
certification process has helped her out in the field. The things you come 
across in the real world just can't be duplicate in books. That's not to say 
that certification is useless, but we all know that certs alone aren't worth 
much.

 

I've got over 10 years of experience, and the only certs I have are A+, Net+, 
and I-Net+. When I found myself with time to study, I didn't go for more 
certs-I finished my Bachelor's degree (I had dropped out of college as a 
junior, having already earned my AA). The next step for me is a Master's; I'd 
rather spend my time and energy on that than certs. Certs have a limited shelf 
life, but degrees are forever.

 

After the Master's, I may look into additional certs. But that will be a few 
years.

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I can see where you are coming from, I find myself at this familiar 
cross-roads. It seems that re-certification is necessary evil now, but probably 
going the SSCP/CISSP ISC2 route because its vendor/neutral and it really peaks 
my interest, and never gets boring. Plus it doesn't pigeonhole me into 
supporting one OS over another or one technology over another. 

 

But honestly, experience is the best teacher. How many times I have sat in a 
class, and you knew the professor didn't have much real-world experience, and 
basically was teaching you the theory of how things are supposed to go, which 
we both know doesn't always work out to what it really does, when you get down 
to it. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Netwok Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

The time to study + the time to commit to hands on related work that may 
intefere with studying for a masters/phd..  

I've thought about pursuing one or the other but the current work load just 
allow time. Of course there's also part-time and/or online schooling as an 
option. I'd say it could depend on just how much you're looking to get out of 
the classes and whether you function better in a classroom or working from 
home. Having the 2000/2003 MS certs I'm now having to consider tackling the 
2008 certs or make the jump to another industry platform like Cisco. Talk about 
wanting to pull the covers back over my head! 

At this stage in my life I've come to the conclusion that I won't become rich 
or wealthy working in this field unless I stumble across a 

RE: users file storage on C drives

[John Hornbuckle]

Are you using folder redirection or roaming profiles? Quotas might be an
option...



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us




-Original Message-
From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: users file storage on C drives

We do not allow staff to store data anywhere but on the servers but
every 
few months I have to go and look in peoples my docs folder or their
desktop 
and find a bunch a crap that shouldn't be there. How do you guys manage 
this? I was thinking maybe I would add some lines to the logon scripts
that 
would delete certain file types from these folders. Any thoughts?

James 


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RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

[John Hornbuckle]

Yes, that's an in-state rate-the non-resident rate is over $1,000 per credit 
hour!

 

I'm actually looking at two of FSU's programs:

 

http://www.cob.fsu.edu/mis/mmis.cfm

and

http://ci.fsu.edu/graduate/masters_degrees/default.asp

 

 

 

 

 

John

 

 

 

 

From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

John do you have info on that?  And that sounds like instate rate too, no?

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I'm looking at FSU's MIS degree. The cost is $423.53 per credit hour. Add in 
books, and you're looking at maybe $1500 per class. It looks like 11 classes 
are required, for a cost of $16,500. Not too horrible. Plus, you get a tax 
break on tuition costs.

 

 

 

John

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

Good view of it. 

 

Looking at Masters in IT/Information Science also, but borrowing like 40-60K at 
8% just to get through the course, and taking Graduate Placement Exams ( MCAT? 
MCAP) doesn't thrill me either. I got enough real-world experience, to breeze 
through possibly ¼ to ½ the cirrcumlum for the MSIT degree ( CISSP at most 
accredited colleges will count for about 12-15 credits towards the Masters, 
which helps get the degree quicker) 

 

True: Running the certification rat-race does get boring after a while, but in 
IT its basically the Icing on the cake in my eyes, doing the jobs, getting the 
experience is really what it comes down to.  And hell my undergrad was in 
Mechnical Engineering, wish they had the IT Degrees back in my day in college, 
all they had was CIS ( Coding, which I loathe)

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Netwok Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-----Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I've got a young woman (early 20's) working for me as a PC technician. The 
position requires A+ and Network+ certifications, which she has. She was 
commenting earlier this week that very little of what she learned in the 
certification process has helped her out in the field. The things you come 
across in the real world just can't be duplicate in books. That's not to say 
that certification is useless, but we all know that certs alone aren't worth 
much.

 

I've got over 10 years of experience, and the only certs I have are A+, Net+, 
and I-Net+. When I found myself with time to study, I didn't go for more 
certs-I finished my Bachelor's degree (I had dropped out of college as a 
junior, having already earned my AA). The next step for me is a Master's; I'd 
rather spend my time and energy on that than certs. Certs have a limited shelf 
life, but degrees are forever.

 

After the Master's, I may look into additional certs. But that will be a few 
years.

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

I can see where you are coming from, I find myself at this familiar 
cross-roads. It seems that re-certification is necessary evil now, but probably 
going the SSCP/CISSP ISC2 route because its vendor/neutral and it really peaks 
my interest, and never gets boring. Plus it doesn't pigeonhole me into 
supporting one OS over another or one technology over another. 

 

But honestly, experience is the best teacher. How many times I have sat in a 
class, and you knew the professor didn't have much real-world experience, and 
basically was teaching you the theory of how things are supposed to go, which 
we both know doesn't always work out to what it really does, when you get down 
to it. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Netwok Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Certs + Experience + which degree?

 

 

The time to study + the time to commit to hands on related work that may 
intefere with studying for a masters/phd..  

I've thought about pursuing one or the other but the current work load just 
allow time. Of course there's also part-time and/or online schoolin

RE: Vista SP1 Bug Already?

[John Hornbuckle]

For what it's worth:

 

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=364&tag=nl.e539

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vista SP1 Bug Already?

 

For me - it made a major difference. I'm very glad I was on the beta.

 

Other people report little or no impact.

 

I'm one of the weird ones though J I like Vista anyway. 

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Christopher J. Bosak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vista SP1 Bug Already?

 

Too bad I'm not an Enterprise customer... *sigh*

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:16 hrs
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vista SP1 Bug Already?

 

SP1 went RTM last week. Enterprise/Select customers can get it today
(along with Connect and TAP customers).

 

It'll make it into the rest of the channel over the next four to six
weeks.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vista SP1 Bug Already?

 

Isn't this still listed as Beta or at least pre-release at this time?

 

Jon

On Feb 11, 2008 11:02 AM, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Guess I should have changed the subject. Time to go get some more
coffee.

James


- Original Message -
From: "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Vista SP1 Bug Already?


> If I run VSS on a volume that contains a VM Ware server, will it cause
me
> problems? Will the virtual server be unresponsive while the VSS
service is
> looking at it? Is it a bad idea to run VSS on a volume with a virtual
> server? An inquiring mind wants to know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
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RE: Going back to XP?

[John Hornbuckle]

This article makes some good points.

Windows 7 may be leaner/faster and more stable than Vista-definitely valid 
concerns. But it won't use a different security and driver model, as far as I 
know; applications and drivers that don't work correctly with Vista aren't 
going to magically work correctly with Windows 7. The only difference is that 
Windows 7 apparently will have a smarter application compatibility tool to help 
users troubleshoot why apps have problems.

I've been running Vista since it went gold. What was that, two years ago? I run 
it at work on a Dell tower that came with it preinstalled. I run it on a laptop 
that came with Vista. I run it on a home-built desktop that originally had XP 
(I built it long before Vista was released). My wife runs it on her Dell 
desktop that came with it preinstalled.

Oh, and we also have it installed on several hundred machines here.

And I can say with confidence that contrary to the FUD circulating out there, 
VISTA WORKS. We've had no more trouble integrating Vista into our environment 
than we did when we integrated XP back in the day. Some apps and drivers don't 
work. Most do. The OS is stable; I experience no more crashes with it than I 
did with XP, and on the rare occasions I do experience crashes they don't pull 
down the whole system the way XP's crashes often did. And there are quite a few 
tasks I can accomplish more quickly with Vista than I could with XP.

Obviously, everyone's mileage may vary. But in our environment, there's no 
benefit for us to skip Vista and wait another year for Windows 7.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>




From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Going back to XP?


Oh, and add this to my fanboy rant:)

http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/08/10/23/Five_reasons_why_skipping_Windows_Vista_could_backfire_1.html



Article:

Is Windows 
Vista<http://www.cio.com/article/455911/subject/Microsoft+Windows+Vista> really 
skippable? As organizations weigh what to do with Windows 
XP<http://www.cio.com/article/455911/subject/Microsoft+Windows+XP> OS upgrades, 
the thought of leapfrogging the much-maligned Vista often comes to mind. But be 
warned, says a recent report from research firm 
Gartner<http://mediaproducts.gartner.com/reprints/microsoft/vol4/article4/article4.html>:
 Bypassing Vista and migrating directly from XP to the next release, Windows 7, 
could be a dicey proposition.



The report, written by Gartner 
analyst<http://www.cio.com/article/455911/subject/Gartner+Inc.> Michael 
Silver<http://www.cio.com/article/455911/subject/Michael+Silver>, states that 
most organizations should not skip Windows Vista entirely and should install 
Vista on new PCs as they are deployed, with the main reason being that ISVs 
don't support old versions of Windows long enough, or new versions of Windows 
soon enough.

Also, Silver suggests in the report, Windows 7 is not likely not to arrive on 
time.

"What many enterprises don't realize from their initial analyses is that the 
next version of Windows may be delivered later than 
Microsoft<http://www.cio.com/article/455911/subject/Microsoft+Corporation> 
says, and be just as unsuitable for immediate deployment," writes Silver.

For example, organizations that skipped Windows 98, Windows 2000 and Windows XP 
often had ISV support issues, as well as difficult and rushed migrations.

"Organizations that try to skip Windows Vista are likely to have the same 
problems," Silver added, in an interview.

In general, skipping a version of Windows means deploying the next version very 
early in its lifecycle. You become an early adopter of an unproven OS, which 
carries the risk of waiting 12 to 18 months for ISV support, testing 
applications, building images, and piloting before the new OS can actually be 
deployed, Silver says.

The only companies that may be able to skip Vista entirely are ones doing 
forklift migrations (updating hardware and OS all at once) and that also don't 
plan to deploy Windows 7 until mid-2011, Silver says. This would be 18 months 
after Microsoft's stated Windows 7 ship 
date<http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/062408-microsoft-windows7-ship-date.html?hpg1=bn>,
 the estimated time that Windows 7 will be mature and stable enough to deploy, 
in Gartner's view.

But even those companies are somewhat vulnerable to skipping Vista, Silver 
says, because, "Windows 7 is an unknown entity with unknown features and an 
uncertain time frame<http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1417&tag=rbxccnbzd1>. 
Skipping Windows Vista doesn't mean that the work necessary to remediate 

Hyper-V Boot Order

[John Hornbuckle]

I read this somewhere but am now drawing a blank... Can I control the startup 
order of Hyper-V VMs on a host (i.e., to have a VM that's a DC up and running 
before other VMs start)? I thought I read that I could, but now I can't figure 
out how...



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us



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RE: Hyper-V Boot Order

[John Hornbuckle]

Not elegant, but it should do the trick. Thanks!!!



-Original Message-
From: Bryan Garmon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hyper-V Boot Order

i asked this question serveral months ago - and the answer is yes - sort of.

Each Hyper-V Vm has a "Startup Delay" - if you work the math out, you
can get the first one started at Host boot time, and then delay the
others for X number of minutes until the one you want has has a chance
to load. Not as elegant a solution as I had hoped, but it does work.
this delay is under the properties for each VM.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:35 PM, John Hornbuckle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I read this somewhere but am now drawing a blank... Can I control the startup 
> order of Hyper-V VMs on a host (i.e., to have a VM that's a DC up and running 
> before other VMs start)? I thought I read that I could, but now I can't 
> figure out how...
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> 318 North Clark Street
> Perry, FL 32347
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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RE: IT Departmental Meetings

[John Hornbuckle]

I want to throw in my two cents and agree with the others who have mentioned 
the importance of meetings that include people from multiple functional areas. 
I know both from personal experience and what I've been studying in school that 
great things can happen when cross-functional communication occurs, and bad 
things can happen when it doesn't.

That doesn't mean the meetings have to last an eternity, though, or that each 
team needs to know all of the minutiae of the other teams. But the DBAs need to 
know what the Network guys are doing, and the techs need to know what the 
system guys are doing-at least in a broad sense. There's something each of them 
could learn from the other, and their combined knowledge is greater than their 
separate knowledge.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>




From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: IT Departmental Meetings

Hi Everyone,

Right now we have the most boring meetings for our IT Dept.  We have weekly 
meetings with 15 members of our staff in them from the CIO to lower level techs 
and everyone in between.  We fill out an agenda with what we are working on 
etc.  The meeting lasts forever and the DBAs don't want to hear what the 
Network guys are doing and the techs don't want to hear what the systems guys 
are doing etc. etc.  just awful meetings and nothing gets accomplished.  We 
were told since we don't like the meetings and they are highly ineffective to 
come up with a better way to hold them.  I was thinking about every 2 weeks 
have the CIO meet with the management in each division together so we still 
know what is going on with the "team".  Every week is way too often and doesn't 
give enough time to report on completed projects etc.

I was wondering how dept. meetings are held at your places of employment for 
the IT dept.

Thanks..BC






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~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: staff to equipment to end users ratios

[John Hornbuckle]

~650 users and ~2,100 computers spread across 7 school sites, for which three 
field technicians are responsible.

I help them when they're stumped, plus manage the network (e.g., servers, 
switches, e-mail, web). We have 13 physical servers.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>





From: Jake Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: staff to equipment to end users ratios

What is everyone's ratio of staff to servers and/or network equipment?  Staff 
to end user support?

We have 225+ end users supported by 1 person whom I have to help if she gets 
backed up.
I am in charge of the network infrastructure and 10+3 servers (Prod+Dev) and 
have no one to help me when I get backed up, and that's not a complaint!  I 
don't like people screwing up my servers.
There are 3 developers in IT for our internal apps, and I need to support them 
like a babysitter sometimes.   If you are a developer and can't research your 
own error messages... don't talk to me and seriously don't tell me my server is 
misconfigured!   ;)




Thanks,

Jake Gardner
TTC Network Administrator
Ext. 246







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Problems using alias for server?

[John Hornbuckle]

We're using a combination of folder redirection and roaming profiles, with 
users' data stored somewhere like \\oldserver\sharename. That server has an 
external PowerVault RAID system attached to it, and that's where "sharename" is 
located.

"Oldserver" is at the end of its lifecycle and needs to be decommissioned. This 
means I need to move the PV to the new server, which means that 
\\oldserver\sharename won't work anymore--it'll need to be something like 
\\newserver\sharename.

So here's what I was thinking of doing... I'd like to create a DNS record for a 
new, generic server name--maybe "profiles"--and point it to the IP address of 
oldserver. Then I'd reconfigure users' accounts / AD settings to point to 
\\profiles\sharename. After giving that some time to make sure it works and 
everyone's account is looking for that new, generic server name and their 
profiles and redirected folders are working fine on the old server, I would 
move the PV over to the new server and change the DNS entry for "profiles" to 
point to the IP address of the new server. The idea is that the move would be 
transparent to the users and their computers. And a few years from now when I 
need to once again relocate their stuff, I would again just change the DNS 
entry to keep the change transparent.

Is there any reason this shouldn't work? Or that it's just not a good way of 
accomplishing what I want?



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Problems using alias for server?

[John Hornbuckle]

Thanks to all for the feedback. For some reason, I hadn't thought of DFS, even 
though I already have the infrastructure in place. Duh.

That definitely sounds like the way to go, so I'll give that a shot.




-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Problems using alias for server?

We're using a combination of folder redirection and roaming profiles, with 
users' data stored somewhere like \\oldserver\sharename. That server has an 
external PowerVault RAID system attached to it, and that's where "sharename" is 
located.

"Oldserver" is at the end of its lifecycle and needs to be decommissioned. This 
means I need to move the PV to the new server, which means that 
\\oldserver\sharename won't work anymore--it'll need to be something like 
\\newserver\sharename.

So here's what I was thinking of doing... I'd like to create a DNS record for a 
new, generic server name--maybe "profiles"--and point it to the IP address of 
oldserver. Then I'd reconfigure users' accounts / AD settings to point to 
\\profiles\sharename. After giving that some time to make sure it works and 
everyone's account is looking for that new, generic server name and their 
profiles and redirected folders are working fine on the old server, I would 
move the PV over to the new server and change the DNS entry for "profiles" to 
point to the IP address of the new server. The idea is that the move would be 
transparent to the users and their computers. And a few years from now when I 
need to once again relocate their stuff, I would again just change the DNS 
entry to keep the change transparent.

Is there any reason this shouldn't work? Or that it's just not a good way of 
accomplishing what I want?



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Antivirus Pro 2009 How can we get rid of it and prevent it from coming back

[John Hornbuckle]

Outside of my department, nobody in our school district--not even the 
Superintendent of Schools--has admin rights. Even my direct supervisor doesn't.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Antivirus Pro 2009 How can we get rid of it and prevent it from 
coming back

Good lord, makes me glad the educational environments my boss pays me to
volunteer in trust my judgement!

Darin McHenry wrote:
> Thanks to all for the response.  I do agree with the responses of
> tighter security and Local admin rights as I once walked in Corporate IT
> as well...Then I was introduced to IT in the educational world where
> standards and procedures are given away to politics and "nimrods" in
> higher positions that do not know or understand Best Practice and
> Business practice as a whole...

-- 

Phil Brutsche
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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