[nysbirds-l] PEFA Bird Code App

[Phil]

Related to Andrew’s post below about his TRKI and subsequent objections to the 
use of banding codes in alerts, the PEFA Bird Code App provides a simple way to 
type in the code and definitively know what bird the post refers to. It’s in 
the Apple app store, I don’t know if it’s available for Android phones. 

Apologies in advance for the non-alert nature of this post but felt that this 
forum and moment was the best way to get the word out to eliminate future 
issues.

Phil Ribolow

On Oct 2, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:

Adult Hudsonian Godwit just now on the East Pond at the southend. Last seen 
flying north. 

My apologies to those of you who were put off by my use of the banding code for 
Tropical Kingbird the other day.  I am often doing the best that I can in cross 
posting to various groups and the use of banding code is often used by me to 
get a message out ASAP when in the field.

I’ll do my best to be mindful when posting to the list serves and try not to 
forget to spell out the full name.

Cheers,


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林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

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[nysbirds-l] PEFA Bird Code App

[Phil]

Related to Andrew’s post below about his TRKI and subsequent objections to the 
use of banding codes in alerts, the PEFA Bird Code App provides a simple way to 
type in the code and definitively know what bird the post refers to. It’s in 
the Apple app store, I don’t know if it’s available for Android phones. 

Apologies in advance for the non-alert nature of this post but felt that this 
forum and moment was the best way to get the word out to eliminate future 
issues.

Phil Ribolow

On Oct 2, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:

Adult Hudsonian Godwit just now on the East Pond at the southend. Last seen 
flying north. 

My apologies to those of you who were put off by my use of the banding code for 
Tropical Kingbird the other day.  I am often doing the best that I can in cross 
posting to various groups and the use of banding code is often used by me to 
get a message out ASAP when in the field.

I’ll do my best to be mindful when posting to the list serves and try not to 
forget to spell out the full name.

Cheers,


“Tenderness and Kindness are not signs of weakness and despair but 
manifestations of strength and resolution” ~ Khalil Gibran

"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

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[nysbirds-l] Central Park - Linnaean Society Hawkwatch

[Phil]

Since 1 PM, over 900 broadwings. 12 bald Eagles. 

Regards,

Phil

On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:

Congrat's to A.V. Ciancimino of Staten Island (Richmond Co., NY) for the 
late-Wednesday find of a N. WHEATEAR, a great bird for anywhere and, obviously 
so for N.Y. City, state, and the southernmost county of NY state (yes, that’s 
Richmond Co.), and for all the others who were able to get there as well!  
(although not, by definition, a vagrant in this region; the species is a 
*very*-rare, but still regular fall passage-migrant & is found, most-often, by 
very active, keen observers, especially those in coastal parts of eastern N. 
America in early calendar-Autumn. If seen again further reports are very 
warranted and welcomed to this and any other regional list-serves.)

- - -
Well worth a mention of the Magnificent Frigatebird seen soaring by at least 2 
observers at Oneida Shores park, out of Cicero, Onondaga County, NY on the 
morning of Mon., Sept. 27th; the report is confirmed in eBird, from obs. P. 
Novak & M. Fitzsimmons. (That bird could show yet again at some other 
localities, and perhaps in NY state.)

…...
New York City’s mayor announced on Tuesday that Governors Island will be opened 
YEAR-ROUND to all of the public this autumn - no more ending of entries to the 
general public on the last day of October.  This is great news for everyone, 
certainly including all birders.  There also may be new-increased ferry 
services.  (The island is part of N.Y. City, and is considered to be within New 
York County.)  One can walk the entire island, if one has the time, and 
fitness, in less than a day, and there is also the possibility of cycling (on a 
pedal-bike, no e-Bikes or other powered-vehicles), with pedal-power bicycles & 
others usually available for rent on the island, and if designated in one’s 
ferry reservation, the chance to bring your own human-powered cycle or scooter.

Another Clay-colored Sparrow for N.Y. County, found at Inwood Hill Park, where 
later also photographed and seen by further observers; this was in the area of 
the regenerating-marsh project, near the northern section of that park, 
Wednesday, 9/29. That bird was still seen later in the day. (Photos of it have 
been made available on eBird / Macaulay Library archives.)

. . .
Tuesday, 9/28 -
At Central Park (in Manhattan, N.Y. City) on Tuesday, 9/28, a (first-year) 
Yellow-crowned Night-Heron was (again) seen along the Lake shore (this latest 
at the n.-w. part of the lake, locally called the “upper lobe”), There were 
also at least several 1st-year Black-crowned Night-Herons in the same area of 
the Yellow-crowned, so scrutiny is warranted.  (Yellow-crowned Night-Heron also 
continued at Randall’s Island, also within N.Y. County).

A "male-plumaged" Hooded Warbler brightened the Ramble area of that park, 
presumably or at least very possibly same individual as seen in same area some 
days ago now. And again, it’s at least possible, unless the individual has been 
**observed** *singing*, (not merely a heard-bird, in that particular location) 
that the Hooded Warbler being seen is a female adult, as that gender in that 
species can sometimes show a plumage quite similar to and approaching that of a 
male in bright adult plumage, even at this season. In the ornithological 
journal “The Auk”, Wm. Palmer wrote a lot on this subject - in 1894. It may 
require more than one year, and possibly even more than 2 years for Hooded 
Warblers to acquire the fully-adult plumage. This has also been studied and 
written on, in more-recent times by among others, Douglass Morse (author of the 
excellent “American Warblers”) and also by E.S. Morton, each in the literature 
and in the more-modern era; interestingly, there are observations of 
same-gender activity (some at nests) by Hooded Warbler, as well as many other 
fascinating aspects of this species life-history (and of course also by some 
other species among the New World, or American warblers, of the family 
Parulidae). Some aspects of this also were studied by R. Mumme, also found in 
the literature.  

The first-of-season Brant (all presumed Atlantic Brant) came through on Tues. 
9/28, with many others having been seen to the north of Manhattan as well as 
elsewhere; these were moving nearly at day’s end.   Ruddy Ducks in Central Park 
numbered at least 12, by Tuesday.  There also are at least several Wood Ducks 
in several locations there.  A Solitary Sandpiper was reported from Inwood Hill 
Park.Both of our species of Cuckoo were again seen on Tuesday: Black-billed 
& Yellow-billed.  There was a noticeable passage of Wood Thrush, in particular, 
among migrant thrushes; some observers still were finding Veery - in the 
singular now; and certainly some Swainson’s Thrushes, along with the 
less-numerous Gray-cheeked (&/or that type!) and some Hermit Thrush as well.  
There were still at least 22 warbler species in N.Y. County 

[nysbirds-l] Central Park - Linnaean Society Hawkwatch

[Phil]

Since 1 PM, over 900 broadwings. 12 bald Eagles. 

Regards,

Phil

On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:

Congrat's to A.V. Ciancimino of Staten Island (Richmond Co., NY) for the 
late-Wednesday find of a N. WHEATEAR, a great bird for anywhere and, obviously 
so for N.Y. City, state, and the southernmost county of NY state (yes, that’s 
Richmond Co.), and for all the others who were able to get there as well!  
(although not, by definition, a vagrant in this region; the species is a 
*very*-rare, but still regular fall passage-migrant & is found, most-often, by 
very active, keen observers, especially those in coastal parts of eastern N. 
America in early calendar-Autumn. If seen again further reports are very 
warranted and welcomed to this and any other regional list-serves.)

- - -
Well worth a mention of the Magnificent Frigatebird seen soaring by at least 2 
observers at Oneida Shores park, out of Cicero, Onondaga County, NY on the 
morning of Mon., Sept. 27th; the report is confirmed in eBird, from obs. P. 
Novak & M. Fitzsimmons. (That bird could show yet again at some other 
localities, and perhaps in NY state.)

…...
New York City’s mayor announced on Tuesday that Governors Island will be opened 
YEAR-ROUND to all of the public this autumn - no more ending of entries to the 
general public on the last day of October.  This is great news for everyone, 
certainly including all birders.  There also may be new-increased ferry 
services.  (The island is part of N.Y. City, and is considered to be within New 
York County.)  One can walk the entire island, if one has the time, and 
fitness, in less than a day, and there is also the possibility of cycling (on a 
pedal-bike, no e-Bikes or other powered-vehicles), with pedal-power bicycles & 
others usually available for rent on the island, and if designated in one’s 
ferry reservation, the chance to bring your own human-powered cycle or scooter.

Another Clay-colored Sparrow for N.Y. County, found at Inwood Hill Park, where 
later also photographed and seen by further observers; this was in the area of 
the regenerating-marsh project, near the northern section of that park, 
Wednesday, 9/29. That bird was still seen later in the day. (Photos of it have 
been made available on eBird / Macaulay Library archives.)

. . .
Tuesday, 9/28 -
At Central Park (in Manhattan, N.Y. City) on Tuesday, 9/28, a (first-year) 
Yellow-crowned Night-Heron was (again) seen along the Lake shore (this latest 
at the n.-w. part of the lake, locally called the “upper lobe”), There were 
also at least several 1st-year Black-crowned Night-Herons in the same area of 
the Yellow-crowned, so scrutiny is warranted.  (Yellow-crowned Night-Heron also 
continued at Randall’s Island, also within N.Y. County).

A "male-plumaged" Hooded Warbler brightened the Ramble area of that park, 
presumably or at least very possibly same individual as seen in same area some 
days ago now. And again, it’s at least possible, unless the individual has been 
**observed** *singing*, (not merely a heard-bird, in that particular location) 
that the Hooded Warbler being seen is a female adult, as that gender in that 
species can sometimes show a plumage quite similar to and approaching that of a 
male in bright adult plumage, even at this season. In the ornithological 
journal “The Auk”, Wm. Palmer wrote a lot on this subject - in 1894. It may 
require more than one year, and possibly even more than 2 years for Hooded 
Warblers to acquire the fully-adult plumage. This has also been studied and 
written on, in more-recent times by among others, Douglass Morse (author of the 
excellent “American Warblers”) and also by E.S. Morton, each in the literature 
and in the more-modern era; interestingly, there are observations of 
same-gender activity (some at nests) by Hooded Warbler, as well as many other 
fascinating aspects of this species life-history (and of course also by some 
other species among the New World, or American warblers, of the family 
Parulidae). Some aspects of this also were studied by R. Mumme, also found in 
the literature.  

The first-of-season Brant (all presumed Atlantic Brant) came through on Tues. 
9/28, with many others having been seen to the north of Manhattan as well as 
elsewhere; these were moving nearly at day’s end.   Ruddy Ducks in Central Park 
numbered at least 12, by Tuesday.  There also are at least several Wood Ducks 
in several locations there.  A Solitary Sandpiper was reported from Inwood Hill 
Park.Both of our species of Cuckoo were again seen on Tuesday: Black-billed 
& Yellow-billed.  There was a noticeable passage of Wood Thrush, in particular, 
among migrant thrushes; some observers still were finding Veery - in the 
singular now; and certainly some Swainson’s Thrushes, along with the 
less-numerous Gray-cheeked (&/or that type!) and some Hermit Thrush as well.  
There were still at least 22 warbler species in N.Y. County 

[nysbirds-l] Marshlands Conservancy in Rye (Westchester Co): odd "egret" on 8/21

[Phil Jeffrey]

I sent this to NYSBirds-L although I don't see it yet, but this is close
enough to NYC to be of potential interest.  Note that this is a
non-definitive sighting.

Phil

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 9:52 PM Phil Jeffrey  wrote:

> I'm wondering if I saw a Great White Heron.
>
> I was on a non-birding visit (but with binoculars) to Marshlands
> Conservancy on the day before hurricane/TS Henri when I saw a large white
> heron/egret that has been troubling me.  Compared to the many Great Egrets
> that I saw today in NJ, this bird remains anomalous, so:
>
> Initially assumed to be Great Egret.  The bill appeared too massive, the
> upper mandible somewhat dark, and the culmen somewhat straight.  The
> overall bill color did not present as the intense yellow that I saw on all
> the Great Egrets today.  The legs were blackish on the lower 1/4 (mud?) but
> definitely not black for the remainder - more along the lines of olive but
> not yellow.  It flew from the shore (where I had assumed it was just a
> Great Egret) to one of the mid-channel platforms and it gave a call that
> reminded me of Great Blue, which is why I actually looked at it again.  No
> plumes.  Lores appeared greenish but this bird was viewed at range without
> a scope.
>
> On the face of it, it has potential to be Great White Heron but I assumed
> I was just going senile since I've only ever seen that in FL.  I may yet
> still be nute, but this evening I noticed:
> https://ebird.org/checklist/S74368904
> from Oct 2020 (Cos Cob, CT), also one report from Nov, and also references
> an initial report by James Muchmore in late Sept 2020.
>
> Anyone birding the north shore of the L.I. sound might want to check Great
> Egrets a little more carefully than usual.
>
> Phil Jeffrey
> Princetin-ish NJ
>
>

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[nysbirds-l] Marshlands Conservancy in Rye (Westchester Co): odd "egret" on 8/21

[Phil Jeffrey]

I sent this to NYSBirds-L although I don't see it yet, but this is close
enough to NYC to be of potential interest.  Note that this is a
non-definitive sighting.

Phil

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 9:52 PM Phil Jeffrey  wrote:

> I'm wondering if I saw a Great White Heron.
>
> I was on a non-birding visit (but with binoculars) to Marshlands
> Conservancy on the day before hurricane/TS Henri when I saw a large white
> heron/egret that has been troubling me.  Compared to the many Great Egrets
> that I saw today in NJ, this bird remains anomalous, so:
>
> Initially assumed to be Great Egret.  The bill appeared too massive, the
> upper mandible somewhat dark, and the culmen somewhat straight.  The
> overall bill color did not present as the intense yellow that I saw on all
> the Great Egrets today.  The legs were blackish on the lower 1/4 (mud?) but
> definitely not black for the remainder - more along the lines of olive but
> not yellow.  It flew from the shore (where I had assumed it was just a
> Great Egret) to one of the mid-channel platforms and it gave a call that
> reminded me of Great Blue, which is why I actually looked at it again.  No
> plumes.  Lores appeared greenish but this bird was viewed at range without
> a scope.
>
> On the face of it, it has potential to be Great White Heron but I assumed
> I was just going senile since I've only ever seen that in FL.  I may yet
> still be nute, but this evening I noticed:
> https://ebird.org/checklist/S74368904
> from Oct 2020 (Cos Cob, CT), also one report from Nov, and also references
> an initial report by James Muchmore in late Sept 2020.
>
> Anyone birding the north shore of the L.I. sound might want to check Great
> Egrets a little more carefully than usual.
>
> Phil Jeffrey
> Princetin-ish NJ
>
>

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[nysbirds-l] Marshlands Conservancy in Rye (Westchester Co): odd "egret" on 8/21

[Phil Jeffrey]

I'm wondering if I saw a Great White Heron.

I was on a non-birding visit (but with binoculars) to Marshlands
Conservancy on the day before hurricane/TS Henri when I saw a large white
heron/egret that has been troubling me.  Compared to the many Great Egrets
that I saw today in NJ, this bird remains anomalous, so:

Initially assumed to be Great Egret.  The bill appeared too massive, the
upper mandible somewhat dark, and the culmen somewhat straight.  The
overall bill color did not present as the intense yellow that I saw on all
the Great Egrets today.  The legs were blackish on the lower 1/4 (mud?) but
definitely not black for the remainder - more along the lines of olive but
not yellow.  It flew from the shore (where I had assumed it was just a
Great Egret) to one of the mid-channel platforms and it gave a call that
reminded me of Great Blue, which is why I actually looked at it again.  No
plumes.  Lores appeared greenish but this bird was viewed at range without
a scope.

On the face of it, it has potential to be Great White Heron but I assumed I
was just going senile since I've only ever seen that in FL.  I may yet
still be nute, but this evening I noticed:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S74368904
from Oct 2020 (Cos Cob, CT), also one report from Nov, and also references
an initial report by James Muchmore in late Sept 2020.

Anyone birding the north shore of the L.I. sound might want to check Great
Egrets a little more carefully than usual.

Phil Jeffrey
Princetin-ish NJ

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[nysbirds-l] Marshlands Conservancy in Rye (Westchester Co): odd "egret" on 8/21

[Phil Jeffrey]

I'm wondering if I saw a Great White Heron.

I was on a non-birding visit (but with binoculars) to Marshlands
Conservancy on the day before hurricane/TS Henri when I saw a large white
heron/egret that has been troubling me.  Compared to the many Great Egrets
that I saw today in NJ, this bird remains anomalous, so:

Initially assumed to be Great Egret.  The bill appeared too massive, the
upper mandible somewhat dark, and the culmen somewhat straight.  The
overall bill color did not present as the intense yellow that I saw on all
the Great Egrets today.  The legs were blackish on the lower 1/4 (mud?) but
definitely not black for the remainder - more along the lines of olive but
not yellow.  It flew from the shore (where I had assumed it was just a
Great Egret) to one of the mid-channel platforms and it gave a call that
reminded me of Great Blue, which is why I actually looked at it again.  No
plumes.  Lores appeared greenish but this bird was viewed at range without
a scope.

On the face of it, it has potential to be Great White Heron but I assumed I
was just going senile since I've only ever seen that in FL.  I may yet
still be nute, but this evening I noticed:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S74368904
from Oct 2020 (Cos Cob, CT), also one report from Nov, and also references
an initial report by James Muchmore in late Sept 2020.

Anyone birding the north shore of the L.I. sound might want to check Great
Egrets a little more carefully than usual.

Phil Jeffrey
Princetin-ish NJ

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Tentatively identified as Gray-breasted Martin - Prospect Park

[Phil Jeffrey]

Gray-breasted Martin occurs in Mexico, for example along the Gulf Coast
within about 150 km of the US-MX border, so it's also in North America.
eBird also shows a historical record for Rio Grande City (Starr Co, TX) in
the late 19th Century, which appears to be the origin of Gray-breasted
Martin on the ABA list.
https://ebird.org/checklist/S10088282
and this would appear to be consistent with the general population
distribution.

Phil Jeffrey
NJ


On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 8:11 PM Rob Bate  wrote:

> Doug Gochfeld and some others are now tentatively calling the Prospect
> Park Lake Martin a Gray-breasted Martin, a species found in South and
> Central Americas.  eBird hasn't any sightings in the US listed for this
> species even in southernmost Texas.
>
> The Q train stop at Parkside is the closest station to the east side of
> the lake where the bird has been seen a lot in the last day or so.  It also
> has been over on the west side of the lake where the F train to Ft Hamilton
> Parkway exit gets you a few blocks away.  Parking shouldn't be too
> prohibitive if you are driving in.  Look for the cameras and scopes if you
> go and let's hope it sticks overnight for those who'd love to see this
> ultra rarity.  I know NYSARC (NYState Area Records Committee) must be
> having a joyous time pouring over photos and recordings.
>
> Rob Bate
> Brooklyn
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Tentatively identified as Gray-breasted Martin - Prospect Park

[Phil Jeffrey]

Gray-breasted Martin occurs in Mexico, for example along the Gulf Coast
within about 150 km of the US-MX border, so it's also in North America.
eBird also shows a historical record for Rio Grande City (Starr Co, TX) in
the late 19th Century, which appears to be the origin of Gray-breasted
Martin on the ABA list.
https://ebird.org/checklist/S10088282
and this would appear to be consistent with the general population
distribution.

Phil Jeffrey
NJ


On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 8:11 PM Rob Bate  wrote:

> Doug Gochfeld and some others are now tentatively calling the Prospect
> Park Lake Martin a Gray-breasted Martin, a species found in South and
> Central Americas.  eBird hasn't any sightings in the US listed for this
> species even in southernmost Texas.
>
> The Q train stop at Parkside is the closest station to the east side of
> the lake where the bird has been seen a lot in the last day or so.  It also
> has been over on the west side of the lake where the F train to Ft Hamilton
> Parkway exit gets you a few blocks away.  Parking shouldn't be too
> prohibitive if you are driving in.  Look for the cameras and scopes if you
> go and let's hope it sticks overnight for those who'd love to see this
> ultra rarity.  I know NYSARC (NYState Area Records Committee) must be
> having a joyous time pouring over photos and recordings.
>
> Rob Bate
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Sunflower Valley Farm and Liberty Lane in Pine Island, NY are closed to birders.

[Phil Jeffrey]

The original poster auto-blocks replies, so I'll post on here

The simplest idea - and something that clearly should have been done a
while back - is to change the name of the hotspot to append either
"private" or "closed to birders"

Phil Heffrey

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 9:24 AM AJIT ANTONY  wrote:

> To those birders from outside Orange County New York who bird in Orange
> County, NY.
> Please note that Sunflower Valley Farm
> in Pine Island New York has been out of bounds to birders for the past 3
> years or more. The owner has made it clear to a member of our club he knows
> that he does not want birders on his property, and we the members of the E
> A Mearns Club respect his wishes.
>
> However there was a message on the eBird RBA for Orange County New York:
>
> Upland Sandpiper (Bartramia longicauda) (1)
> - Reported Aug 18, 2020 10:00 by Anonymous eBirder
> - Sunflower Valley Farm, Orange, New York
> - Map:
> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8=p=13=41.3354014,-74.4864158=41.3354014,-74.4864158
> - Checklist: https://ebird.org/checklist/S72581069
> - Media: 2 Photos
> - Comments: "Was wading in a large puddle near the corn and sunflower
> fields with a Killdeer.  I am not familiar with sandpipers but ID's it from
> a photo on the NYS DEC web site.  Photo attached."
>
> This birder seems unaware of the prohibition on entering the property. I
> don't believe there is a sign at either end prohibiting birding, so I don't
> blame Anonymous Birder (Btw it was not an Upland Sandpiper).
> The farm is now open for sunflower picking and a sunflower maze with a fee
> of $5 pp, and to photographers for a fee of $30.00 an hour.
> https://www.sunflowervalleyfarm.com/
>
> For those who don't know the location of Sunflower Valley Farm.
> If you're go up Skinner's Lane (off CR 6 - Pulaski Highway) and continue
> on to Skinners Tract to its end and turn left on Iris Road along the
> Wallkill River, at the end of this road there is a bridge on your right.
> The property beyond that with a dirt road which continues to CR 12 - Lower
> Road where the large silos are, is the property in question.
>
> Liberty Lane which goes north on the opposite side of Oil City Road from
> the parking lot at Wallkill River NWR is also private property and closed
> to birders.
>
> Please respect the owners' wishes. If birders are seen on these
> properties, the owners may think it that members of the local Mearns Bird
> Club are the ones trespassing, i.e. we will get the blame for you!
>
> Please refer to the ABA Code of Birding Ethics which prohibits trespassing
> on private property.
> https://www.aba.org/aba-code-of-birding-ethics/
>
> Ajit I Antony MD
> E A Mearns Bird Club
> Orange County, New York
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Sunflower Valley Farm and Liberty Lane in Pine Island, NY are closed to birders.

[Phil Jeffrey]

The original poster auto-blocks replies, so I'll post on here

The simplest idea - and something that clearly should have been done a
while back - is to change the name of the hotspot to append either
"private" or "closed to birders"

Phil Heffrey

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 9:24 AM AJIT ANTONY  wrote:

> To those birders from outside Orange County New York who bird in Orange
> County, NY.
> Please note that Sunflower Valley Farm
> in Pine Island New York has been out of bounds to birders for the past 3
> years or more. The owner has made it clear to a member of our club he knows
> that he does not want birders on his property, and we the members of the E
> A Mearns Club respect his wishes.
>
> However there was a message on the eBird RBA for Orange County New York:
>
> Upland Sandpiper (Bartramia longicauda) (1)
> - Reported Aug 18, 2020 10:00 by Anonymous eBirder
> - Sunflower Valley Farm, Orange, New York
> - Map:
> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8=p=13=41.3354014,-74.4864158=41.3354014,-74.4864158
> - Checklist: https://ebird.org/checklist/S72581069
> - Media: 2 Photos
> - Comments: "Was wading in a large puddle near the corn and sunflower
> fields with a Killdeer.  I am not familiar with sandpipers but ID's it from
> a photo on the NYS DEC web site.  Photo attached."
>
> This birder seems unaware of the prohibition on entering the property. I
> don't believe there is a sign at either end prohibiting birding, so I don't
> blame Anonymous Birder (Btw it was not an Upland Sandpiper).
> The farm is now open for sunflower picking and a sunflower maze with a fee
> of $5 pp, and to photographers for a fee of $30.00 an hour.
> https://www.sunflowervalleyfarm.com/
>
> For those who don't know the location of Sunflower Valley Farm.
> If you're go up Skinner's Lane (off CR 6 - Pulaski Highway) and continue
> on to Skinners Tract to its end and turn left on Iris Road along the
> Wallkill River, at the end of this road there is a bridge on your right.
> The property beyond that with a dirt road which continues to CR 12 - Lower
> Road where the large silos are, is the property in question.
>
> Liberty Lane which goes north on the opposite side of Oil City Road from
> the parking lot at Wallkill River NWR is also private property and closed
> to birders.
>
> Please respect the owners' wishes. If birders are seen on these
> properties, the owners may think it that members of the local Mearns Bird
> Club are the ones trespassing, i.e. we will get the blame for you!
>
> Please refer to the ABA Code of Birding Ethics which prohibits trespassing
> on private property.
> https://www.aba.org/aba-code-of-birding-ethics/
>
> Ajit I Antony MD
> E A Mearns Bird Club
> Orange County, New York
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Re: [nysbirds-l] RBA's

[Phil Jeffrey]

http://birding.aba.org/mobiledigest/RBA01
perhaps ?
There's also 02 (Central) and 03 (Western)

Phil Jeffrey
NJ

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 10:35 AM John Kent  wrote:

> I don't know, but there's another one at http://digest.sialia.com
>
> John Kent
> Selkirk
>
> On Jan 19, 2019 9:08 AM, Andrew Block  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know what happened to the ABA page on their site that had all
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> isn't there.  I tried contacting therm but of course haven't heard
> anything.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
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Re: [nysbirds-l] RBA's

[Phil Jeffrey]

http://birding.aba.org/mobiledigest/RBA01
perhaps ?
There's also 02 (Central) and 03 (Western)

Phil Jeffrey
NJ

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 10:35 AM John Kent  wrote:

> I don't know, but there's another one at http://digest.sialia.com
>
> John Kent
> Selkirk
>
> On Jan 19, 2019 9:08 AM, Andrew Block  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know what happened to the ABA page on their site that had all
> the RBAs?  I've been using that for years and now all of a sudden the page
> isn't there.  I tried contacting therm but of course haven't heard
> anything.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] 110+ Tundra Swan

[Phil]

Huge flock, Seen 15 minutes ago, flying northwest, from Rye Playland parking 
lot. 2nd flock of 30 seen flying SE along LI Sound. Seen on Greenwich Audubon 
walk with Ryan MacLean and Stefan Martin. 

Regards,

Phil

On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:05 PM, zach schwartz-weinstein <zac...@gmail.com> wrote:

I saw several eastern chipmunks around Ausable Club road this morning while 
looking for Pine Grosbeaks and was surprised to see them out this early that 
far north.  I found several red crossbills (type 3) there, as well as roughly 
56 Pine Siskins, several purple finches and red-breasted nuthatches, and two 
Pine Grosbeaks perched in a tree near the Trailhead on Lake Road.  

> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 6:02 PM Joan Collins <joan.coll...@frontier.com> 
> wrote:
> Out birding on February, 22, 2018, the windless weather felt like such a gift 
> (for an ear birder anyway!).  We visited boreal habitat areas of Long Lake, 
> Piercefield, Newcomb, Minerva, and North Hudson, and owled in Long Lake after 
> dinner (Rt. 30, Sabattis Circle Road all the way to Sabattis Station, and 
> Lake Eaton) – (Hamilton, St. Lawrence, and Essex Counties).  The calm, cloudy 
> day, turned into a calm, clear night for owling.  The stars and moon were 
> spectacular.  The lakes made other-worldly sounds as the ice shifted and 
> cracked from so many temperature extremes during the past few days.  A 
> Snowshoe Hare bounced across Sabattis Road like a brilliant orb in our 
> headlights.  Snowmelt in February creates new dangers for a winter-white 
> animal.  During the day, two Eastern Chipmunks were actively running around – 
> I don’t recall ever seeing this hibernating mammal active in February and I 
> wondered what they will do if we return to “winter”.  Here is our species 
> list:
> 
>  
> 
> Ruffed Grouse – displaying bird at the side of Sabattis Circle Road!
> 
> Wild Turkey
> 
> Barred Owl – 3 calling at Lake Eaton in Long Lake
> 
> Northern Saw-whet Owl – 1 tooting along Sabattis Circle Road!
> 
> Downy Woodpecker
> 
> Hairy Woodpecker
> 
> Black-backed Woodpecker – female drumming and viewed along Route 30 (just 
> north of John Dillon Park)
> 
> Pileated Woodpecker – some drumming along Sabattis Circle Road and one 
> flyover near Horseshoe Lake
> 
> Gray Jay – 8; (pair at Round Lake Trailhead, 3 at Sabattis Bog, 2 at 
> Santanoni Dr. in Newcomb, and 1 heard one calling near Sand Pond Marsh in 
> North Hudson)
> 
> Blue Jay
> 
> American Crow
> 
> Common Raven
> 
> Black-capped Chickadee
> 
> Boreal Chickadee – 7 (flocks of at least 4 and 3 in the vicinity of Sand Pond 
> Marsh along the Blueridge Road) Nice views!
> 
> Red-breasted Nuthatch
> 
> White-breasted Nuthatch – 2 (rare to see this winter!)
> 
> Golden-crowned Kinglet
> 
> Purple Finch – lots of singing!
> 
> Red Crossbill – many!  Rt. 30, Sabattis Rd. (4 gritting with WWCRs), 
> Horseshoe Lake Rd. (Rt. 421) – 2 locations (2 gritting with PISIs, and 4 
> gritting with WWCRs), and several locations along the Blueridge Road (in the 
> Sand Pond Marsh vicinity, we observed 4 Red Crossbills feeding on Tamarack 
> cone seeds).
> 
> White-winged Crossbill – many! Rt. 30 – several (views past John Dillon Park 
> and a pair with a female picking nesting material where we fed Gray Jays), 
> Sabattis Rd. - 6, Horseshoe Lake Rd. (Rt. 421) - 2, and flock of at least 6 
> flying over us as we looked at the Boreal Chickadees in the Sand Pond Marsh 
> vicinity
> 
> Pine Siskin – many
> 
> American Goldfinch
> 
> American Tree Sparrow – several at a feeder in Newcomb
> 
> Dark-eyed Junco
> 
>  
> 
> I went out today (February 23, 2018) for a quick trip just before the 
> rain/ice began (in Long Lake).  A Pileated Woodpecker loudly foraged along 
> Sabattis Circle Road.  Gray Jays are in nesting mode and I only saw one pair 
> at Sabattis Bog.  I spotted 2 male Red Crossbills perched along Route 28N at 
> the edge of Shaw Pond.  One male was singing from the top of a Balsam Fir.  A 
> White-winged Crossbill was calling as it flew around Sabattis Bog.  I found 2 
> male White-winged Crossbills gritting in Sabattis Circle Road near a marsh 
> area, and then one flew up to the top of a spruce and began to sing.  It’s 
> nice to have nesting birds in winter!
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] 110+ Tundra Swan

[Phil]

Huge flock, Seen 15 minutes ago, flying northwest, from Rye Playland parking 
lot. 2nd flock of 30 seen flying SE along LI Sound. Seen on Greenwich Audubon 
walk with Ryan MacLean and Stefan Martin. 

Regards,

Phil

On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:05 PM, zach schwartz-weinstein  wrote:

I saw several eastern chipmunks around Ausable Club road this morning while 
looking for Pine Grosbeaks and was surprised to see them out this early that 
far north.  I found several red crossbills (type 3) there, as well as roughly 
56 Pine Siskins, several purple finches and red-breasted nuthatches, and two 
Pine Grosbeaks perched in a tree near the Trailhead on Lake Road.  

> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 6:02 PM Joan Collins  
> wrote:
> Out birding on February, 22, 2018, the windless weather felt like such a gift 
> (for an ear birder anyway!).  We visited boreal habitat areas of Long Lake, 
> Piercefield, Newcomb, Minerva, and North Hudson, and owled in Long Lake after 
> dinner (Rt. 30, Sabattis Circle Road all the way to Sabattis Station, and 
> Lake Eaton) – (Hamilton, St. Lawrence, and Essex Counties).  The calm, cloudy 
> day, turned into a calm, clear night for owling.  The stars and moon were 
> spectacular.  The lakes made other-worldly sounds as the ice shifted and 
> cracked from so many temperature extremes during the past few days.  A 
> Snowshoe Hare bounced across Sabattis Road like a brilliant orb in our 
> headlights.  Snowmelt in February creates new dangers for a winter-white 
> animal.  During the day, two Eastern Chipmunks were actively running around – 
> I don’t recall ever seeing this hibernating mammal active in February and I 
> wondered what they will do if we return to “winter”.  Here is our species 
> list:
> 
>  
> 
> Ruffed Grouse – displaying bird at the side of Sabattis Circle Road!
> 
> Wild Turkey
> 
> Barred Owl – 3 calling at Lake Eaton in Long Lake
> 
> Northern Saw-whet Owl – 1 tooting along Sabattis Circle Road!
> 
> Downy Woodpecker
> 
> Hairy Woodpecker
> 
> Black-backed Woodpecker – female drumming and viewed along Route 30 (just 
> north of John Dillon Park)
> 
> Pileated Woodpecker – some drumming along Sabattis Circle Road and one 
> flyover near Horseshoe Lake
> 
> Gray Jay – 8; (pair at Round Lake Trailhead, 3 at Sabattis Bog, 2 at 
> Santanoni Dr. in Newcomb, and 1 heard one calling near Sand Pond Marsh in 
> North Hudson)
> 
> Blue Jay
> 
> American Crow
> 
> Common Raven
> 
> Black-capped Chickadee
> 
> Boreal Chickadee – 7 (flocks of at least 4 and 3 in the vicinity of Sand Pond 
> Marsh along the Blueridge Road) Nice views!
> 
> Red-breasted Nuthatch
> 
> White-breasted Nuthatch – 2 (rare to see this winter!)
> 
> Golden-crowned Kinglet
> 
> Purple Finch – lots of singing!
> 
> Red Crossbill – many!  Rt. 30, Sabattis Rd. (4 gritting with WWCRs), 
> Horseshoe Lake Rd. (Rt. 421) – 2 locations (2 gritting with PISIs, and 4 
> gritting with WWCRs), and several locations along the Blueridge Road (in the 
> Sand Pond Marsh vicinity, we observed 4 Red Crossbills feeding on Tamarack 
> cone seeds).
> 
> White-winged Crossbill – many! Rt. 30 – several (views past John Dillon Park 
> and a pair with a female picking nesting material where we fed Gray Jays), 
> Sabattis Rd. - 6, Horseshoe Lake Rd. (Rt. 421) - 2, and flock of at least 6 
> flying over us as we looked at the Boreal Chickadees in the Sand Pond Marsh 
> vicinity
> 
> Pine Siskin – many
> 
> American Goldfinch
> 
> American Tree Sparrow – several at a feeder in Newcomb
> 
> Dark-eyed Junco
> 
>  
> 
> I went out today (February 23, 2018) for a quick trip just before the 
> rain/ice began (in Long Lake).  A Pileated Woodpecker loudly foraged along 
> Sabattis Circle Road.  Gray Jays are in nesting mode and I only saw one pair 
> at Sabattis Bog.  I spotted 2 male Red Crossbills perched along Route 28N at 
> the edge of Shaw Pond.  One male was singing from the top of a Balsam Fir.  A 
> White-winged Crossbill was calling as it flew around Sabattis Bog.  I found 2 
> male White-winged Crossbills gritting in Sabattis Circle Road near a marsh 
> area, and then one flew up to the top of a spruce and began to sing.  It’s 
> nice to have nesting birds in winter!
> 
>  
> 
> Joan Collins
> 
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> 
> Long Lake, NY
> 
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> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Henslow's & Dickcissel Yes

[Phil]

Both just showed. 

Regards,

Phil

On Jun 3, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Peter Feinberg <peter.feinb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Last observed 1:45 pm


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Henslow's & Dickcissel Yes

[Phil]

Both just showed. 

Regards,

Phil

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross' Gull update - Tupper Lake Franklin County

[Phil Jeffrey]

Actually the bird was seen initially seen from the boat launch, but not
near to it - seen  well to the north as we watched it move from in-line
with the smoke stacks, flying west to east across the lake and dropping
down over the causeway to the east of it, which is when the birders on the
causeway picked it up.  (I was at the boat launch from 8:30 until the
Ross's turned up).  Difficult to assess distance but probably north of the
causeway as it came across the lake - perhaps there was some open water
over on the west side.  I think the causeway is the place to stake out
initially, and it does scan that part of the lake - around 1pm just before
I left it flew pretty much right down the causeway, although I was the only
one there at the time.

Phil

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> Had some technology problems in the field so sent a brief message to get
> the word out quickly.
>
> The Ross' Gull was found around 10:30 by Bob Proniewych flying east
> (north?) of the causeway bridge that feeds into the town of Tupper Lake.
> This is a short distance past the town boat launch, near a cabin that is on
> the north side of the road. We later found out that apparently the gull was
> seen shortly before flying north past the town boat launch on route 30,
> about a mile or so south of the town of Tupper lake. The house where it was
> originally found was briefly checked before this and there is no open water
> or food there.
>
> As the day warmed up there was a bit more open water around the causeway.
> Specifically, the bird was seen on the ice next to some open water just
> north or west of the parking pulloffs near the beginning of the causeway.
>
> It later relocated a bit south to a small private pier just north of the
> town boat launch, easily viewed from this location. It seemed to be
> feeding on something frozen - fish? This was around 1:30 when we left.
>
> The Northern Shrike was seen near around 1 in trees opposite the tall
> smokestack on route 3. It was not seen there earlier. It was first spotted
> a bit west of this, but moved east along the trees, moving about 1/4 mile
> or so.
>
> No sign of anything of note in Newcomb.
>
> Gray Jays at feeders on Sabatis Circle Drive
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross' Gull update - Tupper Lake Franklin County

[Phil Jeffrey]

Actually the bird was seen initially seen from the boat launch, but not
near to it - seen  well to the north as we watched it move from in-line
with the smoke stacks, flying west to east across the lake and dropping
down over the causeway to the east of it, which is when the birders on the
causeway picked it up.  (I was at the boat launch from 8:30 until the
Ross's turned up).  Difficult to assess distance but probably north of the
causeway as it came across the lake - perhaps there was some open water
over on the west side.  I think the causeway is the place to stake out
initially, and it does scan that part of the lake - around 1pm just before
I left it flew pretty much right down the causeway, although I was the only
one there at the time.

Phil

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 9:09 PM, David Klauber  wrote:

> Had some technology problems in the field so sent a brief message to get
> the word out quickly.
>
> The Ross' Gull was found around 10:30 by Bob Proniewych flying east
> (north?) of the causeway bridge that feeds into the town of Tupper Lake.
> This is a short distance past the town boat launch, near a cabin that is on
> the north side of the road. We later found out that apparently the gull was
> seen shortly before flying north past the town boat launch on route 30,
> about a mile or so south of the town of Tupper lake. The house where it was
> originally found was briefly checked before this and there is no open water
> or food there.
>
> As the day warmed up there was a bit more open water around the causeway.
> Specifically, the bird was seen on the ice next to some open water just
> north or west of the parking pulloffs near the beginning of the causeway.
>
> It later relocated a bit south to a small private pier just north of the
> town boat launch, easily viewed from this location. It seemed to be
> feeding on something frozen - fish? This was around 1:30 when we left.
>
> The Northern Shrike was seen near around 1 in trees opposite the tall
> smokestack on route 3. It was not seen there earlier. It was first spotted
> a bit west of this, but moved east along the trees, moving about 1/4 mile
> or so.
>
> No sign of anything of note in Newcomb.
>
> Gray Jays at feeders on Sabatis Circle Drive
>
> 10 species total
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Re: [nysbirds-l] ADMIN: DMARC Alert! - using Gmail filters

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Under the "more" menu in Gmail select "Filter Messages Like These" and you
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"has the words" field it will show
list:()

click "create filter with this search" at lower right

select "never send it to spam" and whatever other actions you want and
create the filter.

There's certainly no need to disable spam filtering entirely.

Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

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> It appears that Gmail has joined the ranks of Yahoo, Hotmail, AOL, and
> others with respect to their DMARC policy: https://sendgrid.com/blog/
> gmail-dmarc-update-2016/.
>
(snip)

> Please take care to check your spam folder or turn off spam filtering
> altogether, should you find lots of NYSbirds-L eList messages going into
> your junk/spam folder.
>
> You can also check some of the archive sites to make sure your aren’t
> missing anything.
>
> Here are some archive websites:
>
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> http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>
> Hope this helps...somewhat!
>
> Sincerely,
> Chris T-H
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] ADMIN: DMARC Alert! - using Gmail filters

[Phil Jeffrey]

Under the "more" menu in Gmail select "Filter Messages Like These" and you
should see that Gmail recognizes the email as coming from a list.  In the
"has the words" field it will show
list:()

click "create filter with this search" at lower right

select "never send it to spam" and whatever other actions you want and
create the filter.

There's certainly no need to disable spam filtering entirely.

Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 3:03 AM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes <
c...@cornell.edu> wrote:

> It appears that Gmail has joined the ranks of Yahoo, Hotmail, AOL, and
> others with respect to their DMARC policy: https://sendgrid.com/blog/
> gmail-dmarc-update-2016/.
>
(snip)

> Please take care to check your spam folder or turn off spam filtering
> altogether, should you find lots of NYSbirds-L eList messages going into
> your junk/spam folder.
>
> You can also check some of the archive sites to make sure your aren’t
> missing anything.
>
> Here are some archive websites:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>
> Hope this helps...somewhat!
>
> Sincerely,
> Chris T-H
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] St. Paul's Church, Manhattan 1903-04 - 41 species

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I don't equate "interesting" with "rare".  Rare birds are often
well-characterized - not least of all in weekly RBA posts.  Interesting
birds (self-defined) run a much larger gamut than that, and I can point to
a lot of eBird checklists where there's no additional context whatsoever
for such species.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] St. Paul's Church, Manhattan 1903-04 - 41 species

[Phil Jeffrey]

I don't equate "interesting" with "rare".  Rare birds are often
well-characterized - not least of all in weekly RBA posts.  Interesting
birds (self-defined) run a much larger gamut than that, and I can point to
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for such species.

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> a genuine rarity eBird mandates some kind of commentary.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] St. Paul's Church, Manhattan 1903-04 - 41 species

[Phil Jeffrey]

The current intent of the list as given on the list's website is not what
Kevin McGowan indicated may or may not be the original intent - and I've
pointed this out recently - its even linked at the end of every message.
Certainly this has not been a purely RBA list for quite some time -
although that's more difficult to demonstrate given that there weren't any
list archives (!) for quite some time either.

eBird is only one tiny notch up from just a basic list of species.  The
eBird reports - and I use them for trip research - are frequently without
context so they read as:

an interesting bird was seen somewhere in tens of acres of habitat

and the lack of narrative is hopeless if you want to go find anything
that's of interest to you that might drop below the anointed level of
rarity.  I believe that eBird has damaged local birding lists by the
removal of context from sightings.  IMHO, that context is extremely
valuable to all level of birders and why I run my own list as I do.  I've
mostly stopped reporting sightings to eBird for this reason.

So no, eBird is not the solution.

Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

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>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] St. Paul's Church, Manhattan 1903-04 - 41 species

[Phil Jeffrey]

The current intent of the list as given on the list's website is not what
Kevin McGowan indicated may or may not be the original intent - and I've
pointed this out recently - its even linked at the end of every message.
Certainly this has not been a purely RBA list for quite some time -
although that's more difficult to demonstrate given that there weren't any
list archives (!) for quite some time either.

eBird is only one tiny notch up from just a basic list of species.  The
eBird reports - and I use them for trip research - are frequently without
context so they read as:

an interesting bird was seen somewhere in tens of acres of habitat

and the lack of narrative is hopeless if you want to go find anything
that's of interest to you that might drop below the anointed level of
rarity.  I believe that eBird has damaged local birding lists by the
removal of context from sightings.  IMHO, that context is extremely
valuable to all level of birders and why I run my own list as I do.  I've
mostly stopped reporting sightings to eBird for this reason.

So no, eBird is not the solution.

Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Paul R Sweet  wrote:

> Daily lists are great and as I mentioned previously E-bird is an excellent
> place to record such data. If everyone posted their Central Park lists to
> NYSBIRDS-L it would certainly dilute the power of the list. See Kevin
> McGowan's  post here https://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/
> msg20105.html regarding the original intent of the list.
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Another option to the drivel

[Phil Jeffrey]

Steve was wordily referring to daily digest mode, found via
http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

Daily digest mode has existed for about as long as list servers have.

In the same document tree is the source of at least one part of the
identity crisis:
http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
(bear in mind there are syntax errors on the originating page and you may
have to append ".htm" to some URLs)

"The primary purpose of the List is to disseminate information about wild
bird sightings in and around New York State in a timely manner and to
provide an effective electronic forum for New York State area birders.



Questions and limited discussion on topics such as bird behavior,
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subjects relate to wild birds in and around New York State, are welcomed
and encouraged. The List is not for the discussion of pet birds."

If it's allegedly an RBA list the description currently does not reflect
that, and has not done so for quite some time.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Another option to the drivel

[Phil Jeffrey]

Steve was wordily referring to daily digest mode, found via
http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

Daily digest mode has existed for about as long as list servers have.

In the same document tree is the source of at least one part of the
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http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
(bear in mind there are syntax errors on the originating page and you may
have to append ".htm" to some URLs)

"The primary purpose of the List is to disseminate information about wild
bird sightings in and around New York State in a timely manner and to
provide an effective electronic forum for New York State area birders.



Questions and limited discussion on topics such as bird behavior,
identification, conservation, and distribution, especially as these
subjects relate to wild birds in and around New York State, are welcomed
and encouraged. The List is not for the discussion of pet birds."

If it's allegedly an RBA list the description currently does not reflect
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[nysbirds-l] Apology

[Phil Uruburu]

Seems my contacts were hacked, sorry for the inconvenience.
Phil Uruburu 

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[nysbirds-l] Apology

[Phil Uruburu]

Seems my contact I n hacklist has bee

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[nysbirds-l] Apology

[Phil Uruburu]

Seems my contact I n hacklist has bee

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[nysbirds-l] Yellow throated Warblers

[Phil Uruguay]

Being heard and seen now at Connetquot River State Park by Blue Barn in pines.
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[nysbirds-l] Quick note about Ravens

[Phil Jeffrey]

A Common Raven that I encountered on Sandy Hook (NJ) this past Saturday was
seen to fly north over Raritan Bay towards NYC.  With recent sightings on
the eastern shore of Staten Island and also at Gravesend Bay/Coney Island
it's interesting to consider just how much ground individual Ravens might
be covering - does anyone have any information on the size of an
individual's winter foraging range for this species ?

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[nysbirds-l] Quick note about Ravens

[Phil Jeffrey]

A Common Raven that I encountered on Sandy Hook (NJ) this past Saturday was
seen to fly north over Raritan Bay towards NYC.  With recent sightings on
the eastern shore of Staten Island and also at Gravesend Bay/Coney Island
it's interesting to consider just how much ground individual Ravens might
be covering - does anyone have any information on the size of an
individual's winter foraging range for this species ?

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[nysbirds-l] Pink Footed Goose, Millers pond Smithtown LI NY

[Phil Uruguay]

Pink footed goose just arrived with large flock Canada's. Here now 3:35 pm, 
photos
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[nysbirds-l] Pink Footed Goose, Millers pond Smithtown LI NY

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Spizella sparrows

[Phil Jeffrey]

For the issue of the covert patterning figure 19E and the legend for that 
figure suggests an explanation.  As for tail length the pictures of the Queens 
bird that I saw did not show a fully grown shape and it seems very likely that 
it is still growing, making conjecture about relative or absolute tail length 
rather hazardous.

Cheers 
Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

> On Dec 24, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Shaibal Mitra  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Peter, for sharing this.
> 
> Although the original hard copy of the article is right here on my shelf, I 
> remembered it only dimly until you posted the link.
> 
> Among the many characters discussed by the authors are two that I'd like to 
> follow up on now, while everything is fresh in our minds. The first involves 
> the pattern of the secondary coverts, which in Brewer's Sparrow are described 
> as showing pointed black extensions along the shafts, described as absent in 
> Clay-colored Sparrow. I had noticed that the Queens bird showed such points, 
> and worried about this a little bit until I confirmed that multiple of my 
> images of Long Island Clay-colored Sparrows also clearly show this pattern:
> 
> https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/Spizella#
> 
> I don't have an explanation for this discrepancy, but it underscores the need 
> to look at multiple characters when trying to distinguish very similar 
> species.
> 
> The second involves the relative tail length character mentioned in a number 
> of posts. Whereas the article does not mention this as a useful field 
> character for distinguishing Brewer's and Clay-colored, it is well known that 
> these two species collectively differ from Chipping in being longer-tailed, 
> relative to body size. This may not be immediately obvious from the table of 
> measurements, because the tail length values for Chipping Sparrow are 
> basically identical to those for Brewer's and Clay-colored. But the key point 
> is that Chipping Sparrow is larger than the other two, as seen most obviously 
> in its much greater wing length values. Thus, what might appear to be an 
> obscure bander's formula, "wing minus tail" is in fact an elegant way of 
> expressing relative tail length, and it is evident from the table that 
> Brewer's and Clay-colored are similarly long-tailed compared to Chipping.
> 
> Using wing length as a proxy for body size is appealing because these data 
> are relatively accessible, but the validity of this approach is restricted to 
> closely related species that have similar wing shapes. In the case of the 
> Spizella sparrows, I think this is generally true. If anything, I think 
> Chipping might be a little be longer-winged (relative to body size) than the 
> other two, with a slightly longer primary projection, but I still think 
> Clay-colored looks consistently longer-tailed than Chipping in the field and 
> suspect that Brewer's does also.
> 
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
> 
> From: bounce-120008119-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
> [bounce-120008119-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Peter Reisfeld 
> [drpi...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 12:59 AM
> To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Spizella sparrows
> 
> For those wishing to delve a bit more into this topic, here is an old review 
> discussing the range of variation of features within species, and clues to 
> help separate them.
> 
> http://www.birdpop.org/docs/pubs/Pyle_and_Howell_1996_Spizella_Sparrows_Intraspecific_Variation_and_ID.pdf
> 
> Happy winter birding,
> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Spizella sparrows

[Phil Jeffrey]

For the issue of the covert patterning figure 19E and the legend for that 
figure suggests an explanation.  As for tail length the pictures of the Queens 
bird that I saw did not show a fully grown shape and it seems very likely that 
it is still growing, making conjecture about relative or absolute tail length 
rather hazardous.

Cheers 
Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

> On Dec 24, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Shaibal Mitra <shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Peter, for sharing this.
> 
> Although the original hard copy of the article is right here on my shelf, I 
> remembered it only dimly until you posted the link.
> 
> Among the many characters discussed by the authors are two that I'd like to 
> follow up on now, while everything is fresh in our minds. The first involves 
> the pattern of the secondary coverts, which in Brewer's Sparrow are described 
> as showing pointed black extensions along the shafts, described as absent in 
> Clay-colored Sparrow. I had noticed that the Queens bird showed such points, 
> and worried about this a little bit until I confirmed that multiple of my 
> images of Long Island Clay-colored Sparrows also clearly show this pattern:
> 
> https://picasaweb.google.com/109808209543611018404/Spizella#
> 
> I don't have an explanation for this discrepancy, but it underscores the need 
> to look at multiple characters when trying to distinguish very similar 
> species.
> 
> The second involves the relative tail length character mentioned in a number 
> of posts. Whereas the article does not mention this as a useful field 
> character for distinguishing Brewer's and Clay-colored, it is well known that 
> these two species collectively differ from Chipping in being longer-tailed, 
> relative to body size. This may not be immediately obvious from the table of 
> measurements, because the tail length values for Chipping Sparrow are 
> basically identical to those for Brewer's and Clay-colored. But the key point 
> is that Chipping Sparrow is larger than the other two, as seen most obviously 
> in its much greater wing length values. Thus, what might appear to be an 
> obscure bander's formula, "wing minus tail" is in fact an elegant way of 
> expressing relative tail length, and it is evident from the table that 
> Brewer's and Clay-colored are similarly long-tailed compared to Chipping.
> 
> Using wing length as a proxy for body size is appealing because these data 
> are relatively accessible, but the validity of this approach is restricted to 
> closely related species that have similar wing shapes. In the case of the 
> Spizella sparrows, I think this is generally true. If anything, I think 
> Chipping might be a little be longer-winged (relative to body size) than the 
> other two, with a slightly longer primary projection, but I still think 
> Clay-colored looks consistently longer-tailed than Chipping in the field and 
> suspect that Brewer's does also.
> 
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
> 
> From: bounce-120008119-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
> [bounce-120008119-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Peter Reisfeld 
> [drpi...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 12:59 AM
> To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Spizella sparrows
> 
> For those wishing to delve a bit more into this topic, here is an old review 
> discussing the range of variation of features within species, and clues to 
> help separate them.
> 
> http://www.birdpop.org/docs/pubs/Pyle_and_Howell_1996_Spizella_Sparrows_Intraspecific_Variation_and_ID.pdf
> 
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> 
> Peter
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[nysbirds-l] Tufted Duck , No

[Phil Uruguay]

Capri lake, 11:50 am Tufted Duck not found after 1 hr scoping, came back this 
morning hoping for photos.
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[nysbirds-l] Tufted Duck , No

[Phil Uruguay]

Capri lake, 11:50 am Tufted Duck not found after 1 hr scoping, came back this 
morning hoping for photos.
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[nysbirds-l] Eurasian Wigeon, Patchogue Mill pond, Suffolk Cty.

[Phil Uruguay]

Two very bright male Eurasian Wigeon in mixed flock of ducks present at 2:30 
pm, viewed from 4th Street ramp.
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[nysbirds-l] Eurasian Wigeon, Patchogue Mill pond, Suffolk Cty.

[Phil Uruguay]

Two very bright male Eurasian Wigeon in mixed flock of ducks present at 2:30 
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[nysbirds-l] Blue-Wing Teal at Millers Pond, Maple Ave Smithtown

[Phil Uruburu]

Drake Blue Wing Teal single located North of Dam along shore. Flushed by trail 
runner to back of pond. 4:00pm
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[nysbirds-l] Blue-Wing Teal at Millers Pond, Maple Ave Smithtown

[Phil Uruburu]

Drake Blue Wing Teal single located North of Dam along shore. Flushed by trail 
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[nysbirds-l] Bald Eagle & Eurasin Widgeon

[Phil Uruburu]

Connetquot River State Park, adult Bald Eagle perched in tree overlooking main 
pond. Eurasin Wigeon Drake in with large mixed group of Gadwalls and Wigeons. 
1:17pm
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[nysbirds-l] Bald Eagle Eurasin Widgeon

[Phil Uruburu]

Connetquot River State Park, adult Bald Eagle perched in tree overlooking main 
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[nysbirds-l] Rough-Legged Hawks still present Ocean Pky, LI NY

[Phil Uruburu]

Three separate birds, one along OP by Oak Beach Overlook, another by Gilgo and 
the last at Coast Guard Station. All dark Morph birds.
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[nysbirds-l] Rough-Legged Hawks still present Ocean Pky, LI NY

[Phil Uruburu]

Three separate birds, one along OP by Oak Beach Overlook, another by Gilgo and 
the last at Coast Guard Station. All dark Morph birds.
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[nysbirds-l] Eurasian Wigeon Sayville Golf Course 1:35 pm

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Drake Eurasian with large group American Wigeon at Golf Course pond along 
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[nysbirds-l] Eurasian Wigeon Sayville GC 1:35 PM

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[nysbirds-l] Eurasian Wigeon Sayville GC 1:35 PM

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Phil Jeffrey]

If it's fluttering around in the street about to get pretzeled by a taxi
I'm sure someone can get it to the Wild Bird Fund on the Upper West Side in
Manhattan.
http://wildbirdfund.org/

In contrast to Rick Cech's point of view, Selasphorus hummingbirds and
Western Tanagers show several records from Feb-Mar indicating overwintering
success in this region.  Western Kingbird or Ash-throated Flycatcher
essentially none.  If I were prone to wagering on survival rates of
vagrants I know where I'd put my money.

Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:

> It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.
> Wouldn't you want the same done for you?
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca,  NY
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their
>> normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return
>> home, or they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand
>> back and let nature take its course and not get directly involved.
>>
>> Will Raup
>> Glenmont, NY
>>
>>
>> --
>> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>> From: peter.co...@gmail.com
>> To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
>> CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
>>
>>
>> Good discussion,
>>
>> Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
>> climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
>> good bugs in this weather.
>>
>> Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case
>> of emergency. Birds get sick fast.
>>
>> From one who lived with birds, Peter
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick  wrote:
>>
>> True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
>> Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
>> years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
>> cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
>> into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
>> energy).
>>
>>
>>
>> In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
>> good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
>> small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
>> for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
>> traditional overwintering sites.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
>> bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Hugh McGuinness
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
>> *To:* Orhan Birol
>> *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
>> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
>>
>>
>>
>> My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
>> mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
>> diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
>> on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
>> many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday I observed both.
>>
>> The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.
>>
>> I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
>> community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
>> the cold.
>>
>> The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
>> The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.
>>
>> I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Orhan Birol
>>
>> Shelter Island
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

[Phil Jeffrey]

If it's fluttering around in the street about to get pretzeled by a taxi
I'm sure someone can get it to the Wild Bird Fund on the Upper West Side in
Manhattan.
http://wildbirdfund.org/

In contrast to Rick Cech's point of view, Selasphorus hummingbirds and
Western Tanagers show several records from Feb-Mar indicating overwintering
success in this region.  Western Kingbird or Ash-throated Flycatcher
essentially none.  If I were prone to wagering on survival rates of
vagrants I know where I'd put my money.

Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:

 It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.
 Wouldn't you want the same done for you?

 Linda Orkin
 Ithaca,  NY

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup hoaryredp...@hotmail.com
 wrote:


 Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their
 normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return
 home, or they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand
 back and let nature take its course and not get directly involved.

 Will Raup
 Glenmont, NY


 --
 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?
 From: peter.co...@gmail.com
 To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
 CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com; orhanbir...@gmail.com; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu


 Good discussion,

 Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm
 climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some
 good bugs in this weather.

 Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case
 of emergency. Birds get sick fast.

 From one who lived with birds, Peter

 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the
 Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few
 years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of
 cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go
 into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve
 energy).



 In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate
 good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of
 small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute
 for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder
 traditional overwintering sites.)



 Rick



 *From:* bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
 bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Hugh McGuinness
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM
 *To:* Orhan Birol
 *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L
 *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



 My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become
 mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their
 diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more
 on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the
 many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

 Hugh



 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol orhanbir...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Sunday I observed both.

 The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

 I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the
 community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from
 the cold.

 The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc.
 The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

 I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

 Any thoughts?

 Orhan Birol

 Shelter Island

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Re: [nysbirds-l] N. Wheater YES

[Phil Jeffrey]

Coloration-wise, sure.  However there are at least a few European N.
Wheatear photos on the web - tagged as first fall for whatever reason -
that show more pointed primary and retrix profiles than comparable adults.
My own photos of European/Greenland ssp aren't good enough for this
comparison.  I also have no idea how feather profile varies with population
- Greenland ssp being an extreme migrant, but the European and Alaskan ones
being no slouches either.  The Portland Bill entry for 26th March 2011
suggests that feather shape could be a useful feature, with the usual
caveat that you've got to get really good photographs to make that call:
http://www.portlandbirdobs.org.uk/latest_mar2011.htm

It might be really interesting to look at good tail-end-on photos of this
Wheatear in terms of feather shape rather than color.

First approximation likelihood on age would be: proportion of adult males
seen in the prior Wheatear invasions into the NorthEast ?

Phil Jeffrey
NJ


On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Shaibal Mitra 
wrote:

>  This is more difficult than it might seem. Although we can probably
> exclude an adult male, distinguishing the other three age/sex combos in the
> field is very difficult.
>
>  This puts us around the same place we found ourselves back in 2001, when
> Angus and others of us staked out the then state of the art in Long Island
> wheatear analysis:
>
>  http://www.oceanwanderers.com/NYWhtear.html
>
>  Another (also possibly unanswerable) question is whether this bird is a
> Greenland Wheatear, from eastern Arctic Canada, or possibly an Alaskan
> Wheatear, beating along the trail from Beringia to Plumb Beach, as though
> it were a Yellow Wagtail!
>
>  <http://www.oceanwanderers.com/NYWhtear.html>Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
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> Harold [elh...@ibiblio.org]
> *Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 6:55 AM
> *To:* Arie Gilbert
> *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L@cornell edu
> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] N. Wheater YES
>
>   Could more details be given about the birs itself? E.g is it male or
> female?
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] N. Wheater YES

[Phil Jeffrey]

Coloration-wise, sure.  However there are at least a few European N.
Wheatear photos on the web - tagged as first fall for whatever reason -
that show more pointed primary and retrix profiles than comparable adults.
My own photos of European/Greenland ssp aren't good enough for this
comparison.  I also have no idea how feather profile varies with population
- Greenland ssp being an extreme migrant, but the European and Alaskan ones
being no slouches either.  The Portland Bill entry for 26th March 2011
suggests that feather shape could be a useful feature, with the usual
caveat that you've got to get really good photographs to make that call:
http://www.portlandbirdobs.org.uk/latest_mar2011.htm

It might be really interesting to look at good tail-end-on photos of this
Wheatear in terms of feather shape rather than color.

First approximation likelihood on age would be: proportion of adult males
seen in the prior Wheatear invasions into the NorthEast ?

Phil Jeffrey
NJ


On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Shaibal Mitra shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu
wrote:

  This is more difficult than it might seem. Although we can probably
 exclude an adult male, distinguishing the other three age/sex combos in the
 field is very difficult.

  This puts us around the same place we found ourselves back in 2001, when
 Angus and others of us staked out the then state of the art in Long Island
 wheatear analysis:

  http://www.oceanwanderers.com/NYWhtear.html

  Another (also possibly unanswerable) question is whether this bird is a
 Greenland Wheatear, from eastern Arctic Canada, or possibly an Alaskan
 Wheatear, beating along the trail from Beringia to Plumb Beach, as though
 it were a Yellow Wagtail!

  http://www.oceanwanderers.com/NYWhtear.htmlShai Mitra
 Bay Shore
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 Harold [elh...@ibiblio.org]
 *Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 6:55 AM
 *To:* Arie Gilbert
 *Cc:* NYSBIRDS-L@cornell edu
 *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] N. Wheater YES

   Could more details be given about the birs itself? E.g is it male or
 female?



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Re: [nysbirds-l] bird in distress -- Midtown, rehab?

[Phil Jeffrey]

Try:

The Wild Bird Fund
565 Columbus Avenue
New York, 10024
[between 87th and 88th Streets]

646-306-2862

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Re: [nysbirds-l] bird in distress -- Midtown, rehab?

[Phil Jeffrey]

Try:

The Wild Bird Fund
565 Columbus Avenue
New York, 10024
[between 87th and 88th Streets]

646-306-2862

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Cheers,
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Black Skimmers in Prospect Park, NYC

[Phil Jeffrey]

They've been seen in both Central and Prospect Parks over the years,
irregularly and invariably nocturnally, so it's by no means unprecedented.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Black Skimmers in Prospect Park, NYC

[Phil Jeffrey]

They've been seen in both Central and Prospect Parks over the years,
irregularly and invariably nocturnally, so it's by no means unprecedented.

Phil Jeffrey
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[nysbirds-l] LOWT at Fuchs Pond

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Return visit today to get photos of PRWA, while photographing, a LOWT flew in 
and landed 10 feet away at water edge, good looks by myself and Bob and Colleen 
from Queens, bird flew off to center of pond brush at 2:50pm.
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BWTE at Timber Point GC east Marina now,12:43 pm, also Glossy Ibis and GRYL and 
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[nysbirds-l] Blue winged Teal

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[nysbirds-l] Sometimes it just happens

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Couldn't sit in the house any longer today, inspite of the driving rain and 30 
MPH wind, I decided to check the local Marinas and docks in West Islip in 
search of FOS Laughing gulls. At EIM the usual flock of Brant were on the ball 
field along with a group of Herring Gulls. In the marsh at the entrance were 
both greater and Snowy Egrets. No sign of the LAGU. I proceeded to Lakeview 
Drive ponds and the docks across Montauk with nothing of note. Time to go home, 
I decided to stop at Mcdonalds for coffee and check the pond behind. As I 
pulled in, there sitting on a concrete  wall were two Laughing Gulls. Go figure.
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[nysbirds-l] Sometimes it just happens

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Couldn't sit in the house any longer today, inspite of the driving rain and 30 
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both greater and Snowy Egrets. No sign of the LAGU. I proceeded to Lakeview 
Drive ponds and the docks across Montauk with nothing of note. Time to go home, 
I decided to stop at Mcdonalds for coffee and check the pond behind. As I 
pulled in, there sitting on a concrete  wall were two Laughing Gulls. Go figure.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Phil Uruburu]

Well stated Alicia.
Phil Uruburu

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> On Mar 21, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Alicia Plotkin  wrote:
> 
> I agree completely with Mr. Voisine.  I don't know anyone who has 
> participated in one of these shooting contests, but where I live lots of 
> people hunt, and while they generally eat the venison or duck or turkey they 
> kill, they can perfectly well afford to go to the supermarket for their meat, 
> they don't need to hunt to eat.  It's a sport, and they definitely prefer 
> getting a 10 or 12 point buck to a 4 point one for the bragging rights.  But 
> this doesn't make them ignorant, crass, or otherwise violent people - they 
> love the outdoors and they pay attention to the birds and animals around 
> them, they just enjoy hunting and I don't think anyone should feel morally 
> superior to them unless they are a vegetarian.  Moreover, I would match their 
> knowledge of NYS wildlife with that of most people on this list.  They don't 
> know the Latin names, but they can point out the Scarlet Tanager nest and 
> notice when the cuckoos are back since they are out hunting turkeys then.  
> And please note they are not even necessarily members of the NRA or against 
> banning assault rifles.  
> 
> I know this email has gone very far afield from bird talk, but if people 
> understand hunters better, then this lobbying will be more likely to succeed. 
>  Many, probably most, hunters would not lift a finger in support this crow 
> shoot  - they probably won't be willing to speak out against it, but neither 
> would they actively support it - unless the discussion surrounding the 
> lobbying makes them feel like hunting and hunters more generally are being 
> disrespected.  So it would be helpful to understand that most hunters are in 
> fact people you would enjoy meeting and talking with - and definitely taking 
> a walk in the woods with - and your only dispute is with the few people who 
> want to have these competitive body count events.  You shouldn't think of 
> those people as hunters any more than you would think of the extremely 
> competitive people who think nothing of crossing onto private property to 
> twitch a rare bird as birders: technically you would be right in each case, 
> but that label would be pretty misleading.
> 
> Alicia
> 
> 
>> On 3/21/2014 11:38 AM, Voisine, Matthew NAN02 wrote:
>> I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience is hunters 
>> know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The conversation is 
>> beginning to criticize hunters unduly.
>> 
>> Whether they know about something that they are not hunting is another story 
>> and not really relevant
>> 
>> Matthew Voisine
>> Biologist
>> USACE- NY District
>> 26 Federal Plaza
>> Room 2151
>> NY, NY 10278
>> 917.790.8718 voice
>> 702.271.0496 mobile
>> 212.264.0961 fax
>> matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32
>> To: 
>> Cc: Larry Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller; 
>> NYSBIRDS-L
>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
>> 
>> I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow 
>> (fish of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd 
>> be surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these 
>> "black" birds. 
>> 
>> 
>> Glenn Wilson
>> Endicott, NY
>> www.WilsonsWarbler.com
>> 
>> On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM,  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone:
>> 
>> While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events 
>> is important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY 
>> conservation community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto 
>> tomorrow, individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven 
>> months (Sept 1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by 
>> Lynne Hertzog illustrates)  and shoot as many crows as they desire. 
>> 
>> Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have 
>> state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as 
>> songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate 
>> approach.. 
>> 
>> John Turner 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Larry Federman 
>> Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIE

Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Phil Uruburu]

Well stated Alicia.
Phil Uruburu

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 21, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Alicia Plotkin t...@zoom-dsl.com wrote:
 
 I agree completely with Mr. Voisine.  I don't know anyone who has 
 participated in one of these shooting contests, but where I live lots of 
 people hunt, and while they generally eat the venison or duck or turkey they 
 kill, they can perfectly well afford to go to the supermarket for their meat, 
 they don't need to hunt to eat.  It's a sport, and they definitely prefer 
 getting a 10 or 12 point buck to a 4 point one for the bragging rights.  But 
 this doesn't make them ignorant, crass, or otherwise violent people - they 
 love the outdoors and they pay attention to the birds and animals around 
 them, they just enjoy hunting and I don't think anyone should feel morally 
 superior to them unless they are a vegetarian.  Moreover, I would match their 
 knowledge of NYS wildlife with that of most people on this list.  They don't 
 know the Latin names, but they can point out the Scarlet Tanager nest and 
 notice when the cuckoos are back since they are out hunting turkeys then.  
 And please note they are not even necessarily members of the NRA or against 
 banning assault rifles.  
 
 I know this email has gone very far afield from bird talk, but if people 
 understand hunters better, then this lobbying will be more likely to succeed. 
  Many, probably most, hunters would not lift a finger in support this crow 
 shoot  - they probably won't be willing to speak out against it, but neither 
 would they actively support it - unless the discussion surrounding the 
 lobbying makes them feel like hunting and hunters more generally are being 
 disrespected.  So it would be helpful to understand that most hunters are in 
 fact people you would enjoy meeting and talking with - and definitely taking 
 a walk in the woods with - and your only dispute is with the few people who 
 want to have these competitive body count events.  You shouldn't think of 
 those people as hunters any more than you would think of the extremely 
 competitive people who think nothing of crossing onto private property to 
 twitch a rare bird as birders: technically you would be right in each case, 
 but that label would be pretty misleading.
 
 Alicia
 
 
 On 3/21/2014 11:38 AM, Voisine, Matthew NAN02 wrote:
 I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience is hunters 
 know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The conversation is 
 beginning to criticize hunters unduly.
 
 Whether they know about something that they are not hunting is another story 
 and not really relevant
 
 Matthew Voisine
 Biologist
 USACE- NY District
 26 Federal Plaza
 Room 2151
 NY, NY 10278
 917.790.8718 voice
 702.271.0496 mobile
 212.264.0961 fax
 matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com] 
 Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32
 To: redk...@optonline.net
 Cc: Larry Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller; 
 NYSBIRDS-L
 Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
 
 I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow 
 (fish of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd 
 be surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these 
 black birds. 
 
 
 Glenn Wilson
 Endicott, NY
 www.WilsonsWarbler.com
 
 On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM, redk...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 
 Hi everyone:
 
 While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events 
 is important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY 
 conservation community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto 
 tomorrow, individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven 
 months (Sept 1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by 
 Lynne Hertzog illustrates)  and shoot as many crows as they desire. 
 
 Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have 
 state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as 
 songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate 
 approach.. 
 
 John Turner 
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Larry Federman 
 Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
 Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
 To: Voisine, Matthew NAN02 , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L 
 Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02 
 
 Thanks, Matthew,
 It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but 
 the shoot 
 is just outside the NYC watershed.
 
 Larry Federman
 President, Northern Catskills Audubon
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
 To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L
 Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
 Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
 
 Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
 Caveats: NONE
 
 I picked up

[nysbirds-l] Red-Neck Grebe, Connetquot SP

[Phil Uruburu]

Met Ken Thompson at the parking lot at  noon, proceeded to main pond and saw 
the previously reported RNG off shore about 30 yards. Still there when we left 
about 1:10 PM.
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[nysbirds-l] Northern Shrike. WE 2 YES

[Phil Uruburu]

The Shrike was observed by Dave Lamagna , myself and 8 other birders at the 
south west corner of the parking lot around 10:30 am. Observed for a couple 
minutes, clear views before it dropped down into the Phrags.
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[nysbirds-l] Northern Shrike. WE 2 YES

[Phil Uruburu]

The Shrike was observed by Dave Lamagna , myself and 8 other birders at the 
south west corner of the parking lot around 10:30 am. Observed for a couple 
minutes, clear views before it dropped down into the Phrags.
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[nysbirds-l] Eurasian Wigeon, Saville GC

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Two male EU at Sayville  GC  now, feeding on knoll above pond. 2:12 pm
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[nysbirds-l] Patchogue, Sayville Golf Ponds

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Took a ride to Patchogue Lake this morning, all frozen over with the only open 
water at Roe Blvd Bridge, Red Head, Am Wigeon, Lesser Scaup, Gadwall, H 
Mergansers, Rudy and 3 Pie billed Grebes.
Proceeded to Sayville Golf course, 2 imm Eurasian Wigeon and all the usual 
suspects. One rather ragged looking Great Blue Heron huddled on shore line. 
Open water is getting scarce.
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[nysbirds-l] Patchogue, Sayville Golf Ponds

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water at Roe Blvd Bridge, Red Head, Am Wigeon, Lesser Scaup, Gadwall, H 
Mergansers, Rudy and 3 Pie billed Grebes.
Proceeded to Sayville Golf course, 2 imm Eurasian Wigeon and all the usual 
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[nysbirds-l] Eurasian Wigeon

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There was a beautiful Drake EW at Patchouge Lake  this afternoon. Also seen was 
a large flock of Ring Neck with American Wigeon, Red Heads, Gadwall, Rudy, RB  
And Hooded Mergansers,  and a few Horned Grebes. South east corner.
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[nysbirds-l] Eurasian Wigeon

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There was a beautiful Drake EW at Patchouge Lake  this afternoon. Also seen was 
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And Hooded Mergansers,  and a few Horned Grebes. South east corner.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Iceland gulls

[Phil Jeffrey]

To me it makes no more sense to dismiss hybridization amongst those two
species as a mechanism for primary darkening than it does to invoke it.
 Just because it's not proven doesn't mean the alternative is true either.
 It would be one thing if, say, glaucoides in Iceland (the country) were
darkening its primaries or Glaucous Gulls or even (American) Herring Gulls
were seen to do so, but I'm not aware of any such trend.  A Western birder
might find the idea that two similar gull species *not* hybridizing to be
alien to their experience, for example.

>From my POV it makes sense to attempt to normalize intra-(sub)species
variation by looking at that spread in Iceland glaucoides populations in,
say, Iceland itself.  While more or less anything can happen with gulls,
I'd be a lot less likely to find the "intrinsic variation" idea worthy of
Occam's Razor if the range of variation in the
bird-oft-referred-to-as-Kumlein's substantially exceeds that in the
glaucoides subspecies.

Or, more plainly put - point me to the preponderance of evidence that
hybridization is *not* going on in this form of Iceland Gull (or whatever
it is).

Phil




On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:29 PM, julian hough  wrote:

> Shai distilled down some common-sensical aspect of the complications
> surrounding Iceland Gulls and what our perceptions are about how solid
> these are as a taxon. As an exiled Brit, I grew up on nominate 
> glaucoidesIceland Gull and it often involved searching through these for a 
> vagrant
> kumlieni "Kumlien's" Iceland Gull.
> It is more a continuing bad-habit that I refer to them as Kumlien's Gull
> here since, as Shai points out, there really isn't that much of a need for
> separating them to sub-species level in the US, as perhaps there is in
> Europe where kumlieni shows up more regularly.
>
> Interestingly, adult iceland Gulls were scarce here in New England
> compared to the numbers of first-cycle birds so it was always cool to see
> an adult. The ones I have seen here in CT have all been mid-grey – to  pale
> grey pigmented and black-primaried individuals seem rather uncommon at this
> latitude. Not sure that as quantitative evidence it amounts to anything
> from a scientific aspect but I wonder what drives the range of pigmentation
>  in these birds…hormones, geography, actual hybridization?
>
> There seems to be a lot of talk – confusion – is perhaps more apt about
> what these birds are based on perpetuated myths about "hybrid swarms "of
> kumlieni or interbreeding populations of kumlieni x thayeri etc and as
> Shai points out it may not benefit us, in lieu of quantitative and
> qualitative scientific study, to continue thinking that black-primaries
> Iceland Gulls here in the US have "x" amounts of thayeri genes flowing
> through them and more whiter-primaried birds have perhaps a more
> glaucoides influence.
>
> As for separating adults from nominate glaucoides Iceland Gulls from
> Northern Europe, certain birds in Newfoundland seem to check the right
> boxes so with care the odd bird might be identifiable by sharp observers.
>
> Intrestingly, the long-calls of these white-winged gulls was recently
> studied and written up by Belgium birder Peter Adriaens here:
>
> http://birdingfrontiers.com/2014/01/09/calls-of-thayers-kumliens-and-iceland-gulls
> /
>
> Good birding,
>
> Julian
>
> Julian Hough
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Iceland gulls

[Phil Jeffrey]

To me it makes no more sense to dismiss hybridization amongst those two
species as a mechanism for primary darkening than it does to invoke it.
 Just because it's not proven doesn't mean the alternative is true either.
 It would be one thing if, say, glaucoides in Iceland (the country) were
darkening its primaries or Glaucous Gulls or even (American) Herring Gulls
were seen to do so, but I'm not aware of any such trend.  A Western birder
might find the idea that two similar gull species *not* hybridizing to be
alien to their experience, for example.

From my POV it makes sense to attempt to normalize intra-(sub)species
variation by looking at that spread in Iceland glaucoides populations in,
say, Iceland itself.  While more or less anything can happen with gulls,
I'd be a lot less likely to find the intrinsic variation idea worthy of
Occam's Razor if the range of variation in the
bird-oft-referred-to-as-Kumlein's substantially exceeds that in the
glaucoides subspecies.

Or, more plainly put - point me to the preponderance of evidence that
hybridization is *not* going on in this form of Iceland Gull (or whatever
it is).

Phil




On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:29 PM, julian hough jrhou...@snet.net wrote:

 Shai distilled down some common-sensical aspect of the complications
 surrounding Iceland Gulls and what our perceptions are about how solid
 these are as a taxon. As an exiled Brit, I grew up on nominate 
 glaucoidesIceland Gull and it often involved searching through these for a 
 vagrant
 kumlieni Kumlien's Iceland Gull.
 It is more a continuing bad-habit that I refer to them as Kumlien's Gull
 here since, as Shai points out, there really isn't that much of a need for
 separating them to sub-species level in the US, as perhaps there is in
 Europe where kumlieni shows up more regularly.

 Interestingly, adult iceland Gulls were scarce here in New England
 compared to the numbers of first-cycle birds so it was always cool to see
 an adult. The ones I have seen here in CT have all been mid-grey – to  pale
 grey pigmented and black-primaried individuals seem rather uncommon at this
 latitude. Not sure that as quantitative evidence it amounts to anything
 from a scientific aspect but I wonder what drives the range of pigmentation
  in these birds…hormones, geography, actual hybridization?

 There seems to be a lot of talk – confusion – is perhaps more apt about
 what these birds are based on perpetuated myths about hybrid swarms of
 kumlieni or interbreeding populations of kumlieni x thayeri etc and as
 Shai points out it may not benefit us, in lieu of quantitative and
 qualitative scientific study, to continue thinking that black-primaries
 Iceland Gulls here in the US have x amounts of thayeri genes flowing
 through them and more whiter-primaried birds have perhaps a more
 glaucoides influence.

 As for separating adults from nominate glaucoides Iceland Gulls from
 Northern Europe, certain birds in Newfoundland seem to check the right
 boxes so with care the odd bird might be identifiable by sharp observers.

 Intrestingly, the long-calls of these white-winged gulls was recently
 studied and written up by Belgium birder Peter Adriaens here:

 http://birdingfrontiers.com/2014/01/09/calls-of-thayers-kumliens-and-iceland-gulls
 /

 Good birding,

 Julian

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Re: [nysbirds-l] About Iceland Gulls

[Phil Jeffrey]

As far as the literature goes, K.M. Olsen and H. Larrson "Gulls of North
America, Europe and Asia" show an adult Kumlein's "Iceland" Gull with
extensive black in the primaries in photo 275 on page 223 and over the page
on 224 photo 276 shows an adult with pale eyes.

Now the whole thing just comes down to just how much thayeri we consider
being present in a Kumlein's Gull with that much black in the wingtips, but
that's probably about as fruitful as debating the length of a piece of
string.

Phil Jeffrey


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Mike  wrote:

> Coincidentally, on the same day that I photographed the classic Kumliens
> Gull at Iron Pier Beach, I also photo'd an adult with black in the
> wingtips. That bird was on Artist Lake in Middle Island, also in Suffolk
> County. Photo at
> http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/35575873@N02/11913883496/sizes/m/
> In addition, that bird had pale yellow eyes, a characteristic I've never
> noticed on an adult Kumliens.
> http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/35575873@N02/11973681755/sizes/m/
>
> For comparison purposes, here is the Iron Pier Beach bird.
> http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/35575873@N02/11913257573/sizes/m/
>
> Mike Cooper
> Ridge, LI NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 15, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Steve Walter  wrote:
>
> Pictures relating to the following are at
> http://www.stevewalternature.com/
>
> It was good to hear Mike Cooper's January 12 report that the presumably
> same
> Iceland Gull is back and doing well at Iron Pier Beach. I photographed this
> bird on January 7, 2012 (lower left) and as an immature February 16, 2009,
> making it over 5 years old now. Mike's report was timely in that I consider
> this to be the prototypical Kumlien's Gull, with gray in the wingtips, and
> I
> referred to it for comparison to a surprising looking individual at Jones
> Beach West End Sunday (wing, upper right). The markings in its wings were
> black and a bit more extensive than the Iron Pier bird, and its head a bit
> more angular than might be expected. I discussed this with Shai Mitra, who
> indicated that a bird matching my description has been seen there
> sporadically over the years. In fact, he produced a picture he took January
> 2, 2006 (top left). If indeed the same bird, it would be at least 11 years
> old now. But on top of that, he mentioned seeing a black marked individual
> in Suffolk county. The next day, Sean Sime reported a black marked bird in
> Brooklyn. What's up with that? I haven't seen literature mentioning the
> existence of Iceland Gulls with black in the wingtips. The absence of
> markings is, however, mentioned for a tiny percentage, as seen in the bird
> photographed at Point Lookout February 24, 2013 (bottom right).
> Appreciating
> a variability in Kumlien's Gulls that they may not get enough credit for.
>
>
> Steve Walter
> Bayside, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] About Iceland Gulls

[Phil Jeffrey]

As far as the literature goes, K.M. Olsen and H. Larrson Gulls of North
America, Europe and Asia show an adult Kumlein's Iceland Gull with
extensive black in the primaries in photo 275 on page 223 and over the page
on 224 photo 276 shows an adult with pale eyes.

Now the whole thing just comes down to just how much thayeri we consider
being present in a Kumlein's Gull with that much black in the wingtips, but
that's probably about as fruitful as debating the length of a piece of
string.

Phil Jeffrey


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Mike mike...@optonline.net wrote:

 Coincidentally, on the same day that I photographed the classic Kumliens
 Gull at Iron Pier Beach, I also photo'd an adult with black in the
 wingtips. That bird was on Artist Lake in Middle Island, also in Suffolk
 County. Photo at
 http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/35575873@N02/11913883496/sizes/m/
 In addition, that bird had pale yellow eyes, a characteristic I've never
 noticed on an adult Kumliens.
 http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/35575873@N02/11973681755/sizes/m/

 For comparison purposes, here is the Iron Pier Beach bird.
 http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/35575873@N02/11913257573/sizes/m/

 Mike Cooper
 Ridge, LI NY

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 15, 2014, at 7:04 PM, Steve Walter swalte...@verizon.net wrote:

 Pictures relating to the following are at
 http://www.stevewalternature.com/

 It was good to hear Mike Cooper's January 12 report that the presumably
 same
 Iceland Gull is back and doing well at Iron Pier Beach. I photographed this
 bird on January 7, 2012 (lower left) and as an immature February 16, 2009,
 making it over 5 years old now. Mike's report was timely in that I consider
 this to be the prototypical Kumlien's Gull, with gray in the wingtips, and
 I
 referred to it for comparison to a surprising looking individual at Jones
 Beach West End Sunday (wing, upper right). The markings in its wings were
 black and a bit more extensive than the Iron Pier bird, and its head a bit
 more angular than might be expected. I discussed this with Shai Mitra, who
 indicated that a bird matching my description has been seen there
 sporadically over the years. In fact, he produced a picture he took January
 2, 2006 (top left). If indeed the same bird, it would be at least 11 years
 old now. But on top of that, he mentioned seeing a black marked individual
 in Suffolk county. The next day, Sean Sime reported a black marked bird in
 Brooklyn. What's up with that? I haven't seen literature mentioning the
 existence of Iceland Gulls with black in the wingtips. The absence of
 markings is, however, mentioned for a tiny percentage, as seen in the bird
 photographed at Point Lookout February 24, 2013 (bottom right).
 Appreciating
 a variability in Kumlien's Gulls that they may not get enough credit for.


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Gilgo Gyr - Yes

[Phil Jeffrey]

Currently perched straight out in the saltmarsh from Gilgo beach (2:30 pm)

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> flushed by boat traffic and flew east, perching on a low dock frame across 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Gilgo Gyr - Yes

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Currently perched straight out in the saltmarsh from Gilgo beach (2:30 pm)

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Re: [nysbirds-l] South Fork LI: A little more information on the Montauk Lapwings

[Phil Jeffrey]

That bird was in Mercer County NJ.
The confusion probably arises because the nearest town (Allentown) is in
Monmouth.
The bird was not seen since the original sighting and wasn't evident on
checking the most likely areas around Allentown on Saturday morning - but
there's a great deal of habitat in that area.

Phil Jeffrey

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Mike  wrote:

> **
> In addition to the recent Lapwings mentioned by Angus, another wa in
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Re: [nysbirds-l] South Fork LI: A little more information on the Montauk Lapwings

[Phil Jeffrey]

That bird was in Mercer County NJ.
The confusion probably arises because the nearest town (Allentown) is in
Monmouth.
The bird was not seen since the original sighting and wasn't evident on
checking the most likely areas around Allentown on Saturday morning - but
there's a great deal of habitat in that area.

Phil Jeffrey

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Mike mike...@optonline.net wrote:

 **
 In addition to the recent Lapwings mentioned by Angus, another wa in
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: [SINaturaList] Hooded Crow in NJ

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It's probably not a Hooded Crow - see:
http://www.howardsview.com/HoodedCrowOct21st_12/HoodedCrowBrigOct21st_12.html
where it's now tagged as a leucistic American Crow, which seems the more
appropriate ID in light of the photos on that page (the ones on the lower
part of the page are from the actual Hooded Crow, on LBI last year).

Phil Jeffrey

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jean Loscalzo  wrote:

>  As noted, this was forwarded to the SI list from NJ and might be of
> interest to some in NY.
>
> Jean Loscalzo
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>
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> From: Mike 
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> Subject: [SINaturaList] Hooded Crow in NJ
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>  Date:Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:37:34 -0400
> From:Sam Galick 
> Subject: Hooded Crow, Atlantic County
>
> Most likely the same Hooded Crow from NY --> LBI this past year, Howard
> Eskin reports that a Hooded Crow is presently along Jen's trail at Forsythe
> NWR.
>
> Good birding,
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: [SINaturaList] Hooded Crow in NJ

[Phil Jeffrey]

It's probably not a Hooded Crow - see:
http://www.howardsview.com/HoodedCrowOct21st_12/HoodedCrowBrigOct21st_12.html
where it's now tagged as a leucistic American Crow, which seems the more
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part of the page are from the actual Hooded Crow, on LBI last year).

Phil Jeffrey

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jean Loscalzo dm5...@aol.com wrote:

  As noted, this was forwarded to the SI list from NJ and might be of
 interest to some in NY.

 Jean Loscalzo


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  Date:Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:37:34 -0400
 From:Sam Galick sam.gal...@gmail.com
 Subject: Hooded Crow, Atlantic County

 Most likely the same Hooded Crow from NY -- LBI this past year, Howard
 Eskin reports that a Hooded Crow is presently along Jen's trail at Forsythe
 NWR.

 Good birding,

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[nysbirds-l] Tonight: The Central Park Effect on HBO

[Phil Jeffrey]

Although this isn't a TV listing service, I thought this might
interest at least some on this list.
"The Central Park Effect" - a documentary on birds and birding in CPK
- will be showing on HBO at 9pm tonight (EDT, I assume)

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http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/birders-the-central-park-effect/index.html


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[nysbirds-l] Tonight: The Central Park Effect on HBO

[Phil Jeffrey]

Although this isn't a TV listing service, I thought this might
interest at least some on this list.
The Central Park Effect - a documentary on birds and birding in CPK
- will be showing on HBO at 9pm tonight (EDT, I assume)

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http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/birders-the-central-park-effect/index.html


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it

[Phil Jeffrey]

The usual line is that it is just "two bad apples".  Since I spend a
fair amount of my birding time photographing, I've seen a lot of
photographers.  The number of bad apples is more in the range twenty
to forty.  (Think: in the course of one day two of us we documented 3
of them - how many more went undocumented ?).  In the case of Snowy
Owls I'd expect about 1/4 of the photographers to be wandering the
dunes.  Owls in particular reward bad behavior with better
photographs.

Or should I cite the case of the NY photographer who visited a local
birding spot and was apparently taping in the breeding Kentucky
Warblers for a better shot ?

There are lots of examples of this because there are lots of people
doing it, not just two.  While it is still the minority it's quite a
significant minority, and therefore a quite a significant problem for
sedentary wintering birds and breeding birds.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it

[Phil Jeffrey]

The usual line is that it is just two bad apples.  Since I spend a
fair amount of my birding time photographing, I've seen a lot of
photographers.  The number of bad apples is more in the range twenty
to forty.  (Think: in the course of one day two of us we documented 3
of them - how many more went undocumented ?).  In the case of Snowy
Owls I'd expect about 1/4 of the photographers to be wandering the
dunes.  Owls in particular reward bad behavior with better
photographs.

Or should I cite the case of the NY photographer who visited a local
birding spot and was apparently taping in the breeding Kentucky
Warblers for a better shot ?

There are lots of examples of this because there are lots of people
doing it, not just two.  While it is still the minority it's quite a
significant minority, and therefore a quite a significant problem for
sedentary wintering birds and breeding birds.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

[Phil Jeffrey]

The photographers shown in Rob's video were not the only instances.
This photographer:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BqOGEhoql4A/Ty8zKetR49I/BLo/NhfyRUrXTrE/s1600/BozoBirdPhotographer_W5G7596.jpg
was walking all over the dune area too in pursuit of the owls as of
8:30am.  One of the owls may have flushed as a result, although they
were also observed moving independently.  I also have a photograph of
this guy's SUV and NY license plate.

Birders need to understand that bird photographers are parasitic of
the sightings on this list (this particular photographer was aware of
the original NYSBirds-L post).

Phil Jeffrey


On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Rob Jett  wrote:
> I really hate to have to post this note, but ...
>
> Today at Breezy Point two photographers decided to ignore common sense, 
> birding ethics and clearly posted NPS signs to get close to the reported 
> owls. They had walked a long distance into the protected dune habitat and 
> stationed themselves close to the bird to take photos. I've uploaded a video 
> of the two geniuses here:

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

[Phil Jeffrey]

The photographers shown in Rob's video were not the only instances.
This photographer:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BqOGEhoql4A/Ty8zKetR49I/BLo/NhfyRUrXTrE/s1600/BozoBirdPhotographer_W5G7596.jpg
was walking all over the dune area too in pursuit of the owls as of
8:30am.  One of the owls may have flushed as a result, although they
were also observed moving independently.  I also have a photograph of
this guy's SUV and NY license plate.

Birders need to understand that bird photographers are parasitic of
the sightings on this list (this particular photographer was aware of
the original NYSBirds-L post).

Phil Jeffrey


On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Rob Jett citybir...@earthlink.net wrote:
 I really hate to have to post this note, but ...

 Today at Breezy Point two photographers decided to ignore common sense, 
 birding ethics and clearly posted NPS signs to get close to the reported 
 owls. They had walked a long distance into the protected dune habitat and 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Black-throated Gray Warbler- central park

[Phil Jeffrey]

The Rambles Shed is the building at the north end of what we call the
Maintenance Field (confirmed by Jack Meyer):

40.778372,-73.967907

Your LatLong was pointing at the structure in the parking lot of the
Boathouse, further to the south.

Phil Jeffrey

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Jim Osterlund  wrote:
> Embarrassed to say I don't know Central Park well enough.  The only
> qualifying object I can pick up in satellite view is marked;  can someone
> comment?
> 40.775713,-73.968099 - Google Maps

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Black-throated Gray Warbler- central park

[Phil Jeffrey]

The Rambles Shed is the building at the north end of what we call the
Maintenance Field (confirmed by Jack Meyer):

40.778372,-73.967907

Your LatLong was pointing at the structure in the parking lot of the
Boathouse, further to the south.

Phil Jeffrey

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Jim Osterlund james...@optonline.net wrote:
 Embarrassed to say I don't know Central Park well enough.  The only
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Re: [nysbirds-l] the bottom line....

[Phil Jeffrey]

The list partitioning into rare and common birds is basically
illusory.  NJ makes a go of it but most of the rare birds are carried
on the "general" list, and often get there first.  If you compare the
rarity reporting this spring, BTBlue seems to have covered very few of
them.  Some have been reported here (NYSBirds) or eBirdsNYC (most).

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rare/common partitioning.  Jack Siler wrote software on
birdingonthe.net to pull species out of RBAs, but that's simpler since
RBAs have a fairly structured format.  Nevertheless that was clearly
some hours of coding to create that.  To run a rare bird list would
require an effort during migration that dwarfs the minimal effort
needed to clobber 20 emails.  But rather than complain about current
lists, ante up and put in that effort.  Ben C and Karen F take a
certain amount of time out of their lives to make sure that the RBA
now appears online.  Then there's the RBA compilers themselves, etc.
This stuff does not magically appear.

Probably one's best bet for someone that wants to put in no effort
would be something like the BirdsEye smartphone app, which relies on
Cornell's eBird reporting and can pull out unusual sightings in local
areas.  Of course, people have to report to eBird in the first place,
which circles back onto requiring some sort of effort.

Most people on lists join and read and do not post.  I understand why
this happens, but those people also need to understand that people
that *do* post take time out of their lives to do so.  And lost in
this whole discussion is one point: I think it's fair to say that
Ruby-throated Hummingbird is not a widespread breeder in NYC, although
perhaps someone will tell me if I'm wrong in that.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] hummer at feeder

[Phil Jeffrey]

Lots of solutions for this:
1.  Aforementioned delete key
2.  Mail programs like Gmail allow you to filter user by name (e.g.
kedenb...@optonline.net) , for example straight into the trash
3.  We can figure out your contributions to the list via
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=Kedenburg=nysbirds-l%40cornell.edu
 - in this regard the average signal/noise level of Andrew Block's
posts considerably exceeds yours.
4.  The definitive alternative is to leave the list


On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Rick & Linda Kedenburg
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> We don't find this interesting or unusual. Linda & I have feeders here on
> the North Fork of LI and get breeding RT Hummingbirds every year that nest

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Re: [nysbirds-l] hummer at feeder

[Phil Jeffrey]

Lots of solutions for this:
1.  Aforementioned delete key
2.  Mail programs like Gmail allow you to filter user by name (e.g.
kedenb...@optonline.net) , for example straight into the trash
3.  We can figure out your contributions to the list via
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=Kedenburgl=nysbirds-l%40cornell.edu
 - in this regard the average signal/noise level of Andrew Block's
posts considerably exceeds yours.
4.  The definitive alternative is to leave the list


On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Rick  Linda Kedenburg
kedenb...@optonline.net wrote:
 We don't find this interesting or unusual. Linda  I have feeders here on
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Re: [nysbirds-l] the bottom line....

[Phil Jeffrey]

The list partitioning into rare and common birds is basically
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on the general list, and often get there first.  If you compare the
rarity reporting this spring, BTBlue seems to have covered very few of
them.  Some have been reported here (NYSBirds) or eBirdsNYC (most).

What a lot of birders don't get is that it takes effort to do the
rare/common partitioning.  Jack Siler wrote software on
birdingonthe.net to pull species out of RBAs, but that's simpler since
RBAs have a fairly structured format.  Nevertheless that was clearly
some hours of coding to create that.  To run a rare bird list would
require an effort during migration that dwarfs the minimal effort
needed to clobber 20 emails.  But rather than complain about current
lists, ante up and put in that effort.  Ben C and Karen F take a
certain amount of time out of their lives to make sure that the RBA
now appears online.  Then there's the RBA compilers themselves, etc.
This stuff does not magically appear.

Probably one's best bet for someone that wants to put in no effort
would be something like the BirdsEye smartphone app, which relies on
Cornell's eBird reporting and can pull out unusual sightings in local
areas.  Of course, people have to report to eBird in the first place,
which circles back onto requiring some sort of effort.

Most people on lists join and read and do not post.  I understand why
this happens, but those people also need to understand that people
that *do* post take time out of their lives to do so.  And lost in
this whole discussion is one point: I think it's fair to say that
Ruby-throated Hummingbird is not a widespread breeder in NYC, although
perhaps someone will tell me if I'm wrong in that.

Phil

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Snow geese at JBNWR

[Phil Jeffrey]

But pertinently Jamaica Bay WR is not the full extent of Jamaica Bay.
So eBird flagging 200 for Jamaica Bay in February is not as
unreasonable as it sounds, because I've been there in February during
a freeze and seen *none*.  In fact as pointed out there probably
aren't all that many within the WR boundaries during the freeze, and
it's certainly well down from the pre-freeze counts during December
(i.e. don't use December counts to indicate likely February counts).
I'm all for accurate information too.

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