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*ada berbagai radar yang biasa dijadikan acuan untuk mendeteksi adanya pesawat musuh. ada radar market cap, ada radar lq45 untuk likuiditas, ada radar low p/e, ada radar high div yield, ada pecah order ratusan kali dll. Ada pesawat yang diciptakan untuk masuk radar lq45 lagi, atau menjadi radar big cap lagi dengan cara create volume dan angkat keatas, sayangnya banyak yang begitu masuk radar trus ditembak eh pesawatnya ngilang lagi, jadi habis deh pelurunya :), jadi tetap aja full awareness kayak pa hmin, seperti di red cliff 2 salah menembak ribuan panah harus diganti ama kepala komandan yang nyuruhnya* Re: It's me again.. Posted by: jhon_veter jhon_ve...@yahoo.com.sgjhon_veter Fri Feb 6, 2009 9:02 pm(PST) Dear Elaine, Truthfully I have no heart feeling about all, this just a business and not personal matter. 2009 from my point of view is year of Opportunity, we can START anything we want this year. From starting business, investment, live, work, and others (you name it). Why? because we can have cheap Investment Capital together with highest yield, the two reasons we need to start anything. Beside that we will see the reduce of competition in business because of natural selection (specially from debt management). I give stock recomendation to my clients with all of that reasons. My concern is simple, find the survivor company in difficult time. It means we search copany with strong balace sheet, small debt, always give deviden, big player in domestic market, with big capitalization. So simple. Now is your turn, What is your concern in this time? Regards JV
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Tks Pa JV, tp jangan tanggung2 daripada nanti salah2 nebak, sekalian kasih Code nya aja dong hehehe. GBUs Always, SB Sent from my BlackBerry ® wireless device -Original Message- From: Hanif Mantiq hanif_man...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 01:07:55 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again.. *ada berbagai radar yang biasa dijadikan acuan untuk mendeteksi adanya pesawat musuh. ada radar market cap, ada radar lq45 untuk likuiditas, ada radar low p/e, ada radar high div yield, ada pecah order ratusan kali dll. Ada pesawat yang diciptakan untuk masuk radar lq45 lagi, atau menjadi radar big cap lagi dengan cara create volume dan angkat keatas, sayangnya banyak yang begitu masuk radar trus ditembak eh pesawatnya ngilang lagi, jadi habis deh pelurunya :), jadi tetap aja full awareness kayak pa hmin, seperti di red cliff 2 salah menembak ribuan panah harus diganti ama kepala komandan yang nyuruhnya* Re: It's me again.. Posted by: jhon_veter jhon_ve...@yahoo.com.sgjhon_veter Fri Feb 6, 2009 9:02 pm(PST) Dear Elaine, Truthfully I have no heart feeling about all, this just a business and not personal matter. 2009 from my point of view is year of Opportunity, we can START anything we want this year. From starting business, investment, live, work, and others (you name it). Why? because we can have cheap Investment Capital together with highest yield, the two reasons we need to start anything. Beside that we will see the reduce of competition in business because of natural selection (specially from debt management). I give stock recomendation to my clients with all of that reasons. My concern is simple, find the survivor company in difficult time. It means we search copany with strong balace sheet, small debt, always give deviden, big player in domestic market, with big capitalization. So simple. Now is your turn, What is your concern in this time? Regards JV + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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U're absolutely right, Sir. I have no doubt, the answer is UNVR. On 2/8/09, SbudianaYCS sbudi...@yahoo.com.sg wrote: Tks Pa JV, tp jangan tanggung2 daripada nanti salah2 nebak, sekalian kasih Code nya aja dong hehehe. GBUs Always, SB Sent from my BlackBerry (R) wireless device -Original Message- From: Hanif Mantiq hanif_man...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 01:07:55 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again.. *ada berbagai radar yang biasa dijadikan acuan untuk mendeteksi adanya pesawat musuh. ada radar market cap, ada radar lq45 untuk likuiditas, ada radar low p/e, ada radar high div yield, ada pecah order ratusan kali dll. Ada pesawat yang diciptakan untuk masuk radar lq45 lagi, atau menjadi radar big cap lagi dengan cara create volume dan angkat keatas, sayangnya banyak yang begitu masuk radar trus ditembak eh pesawatnya ngilang lagi, jadi habis deh pelurunya :), jadi tetap aja full awareness kayak pa hmin, seperti di red cliff 2 salah menembak ribuan panah harus diganti ama kepala komandan yang nyuruhnya* Re: It's me again.. Posted by: jhon_veter jhon_ve...@yahoo.com.sgjhon_veter Fri Feb 6, 2009 9:02 pm(PST) Dear Elaine, Truthfully I have no heart feeling about all, this just a business and not personal matter. 2009 from my point of view is year of Opportunity, we can START anything we want this year. From starting business, investment, live, work, and others (you name it). Why? because we can have cheap Investment Capital together with highest yield, the two reasons we need to start anything. Beside that we will see the reduce of competition in business because of natural selection (specially from debt management). I give stock recomendation to my clients with all of that reasons. My concern is simple, find the survivor company in difficult time. It means we search copany with strong balace sheet, small debt, always give deviden, big player in domestic market, with big capitalization. So simple. Now is your turn, What is your concern in this time? Regards JV + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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John. Darling. I know this' kinda late but please take my apologize for being an ass to you and everyone last year. Please share with us, what is your forecast for 2009, and of course enlight us with your stock picks. Thank you so much for your reply. Anyway enough with nukes, that's and old story, yes? [?] Elaine -- Forwarded message -- From: Veter jhon_ve...@yahoo.com.sg Date: Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:52 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again.. To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *How big is your Nuke* Miss EL ??? I think your statement is overreacting (with smile). Off course Energy + CPO sector may drop up to 25% in first semester 2008, but that still not nuke from my point of view…… if you not believe with my statement, try to calculate your portfolio profit / growth from both of this sector (I believe more than 120%)…… isn't it amazing ???. So 25% fall for Energy + CPO is not nuke at all…. Please dech ah, give us a definition from NUKE tooJ. BTW, nice to have you on this milis…. Thanks for your braveness to be different. Happy New Year JV and Fam *Re: It's me again.. *http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/53005;_ylc=X3oDMTJyNnQ2N2dtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NTIzNTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDAxNzc5BG1zZ0lkAzUzMDA1BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzExOTg5NDMzODU- ** *Posted by: Bandar Sedang bejtra...@gmail.com bejtra...@gmail.com?subject=%20re%3a%20it%27s%20me%20again%2e%2e* *Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:03 am (PST) * If you look back on the beginning of 2007. yes, it happened.now, will the history repeat itself ? we'll see.i bet it will happen as one of the bozz agenda.. BUT...if you guys together fight backthe bozz might think twice - Original Message - From: Elaine To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. Nobody likes bad news, but energy/cpo sector will be nuked in early 2008. It will be one hell of a shocker.. haha. One of the many examples of planned crash. The plan is to make another entry point. (But if you're smart, you can get a really good bargain price, again) EL On Dec 29, 2007 7:22 AM, abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman.ra...@gmail.com abdul.rahman.rahim%40gmail.com wrote: Hi Elaine. Everybody now you are still around. Happy new year. Do not hesitate to tell us about bozz' agenda from time to time. On Dec 28, 2007 12:27 PM, Elaine orkay...@gmail.comorkaybgt%40gmail.com wrote: Happy new year 2008 EL 330.gif
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Dear Elaine, Truthfully I have no heart feeling about all, this just a business and not personal matter. 2009 from my point of view is year of Opportunity, we can START anything we want this year. From starting business, investment, live, work, and others (you name it). Why? because we can have cheap Investment Capital together with highest yield, the two reasons we need to start anything. Beside that we will see the reduce of competition in business because of natural selection (specially from debt management). I give stock recomendation to my clients with all of that reasons. My concern is simple, find the survivor company in difficult time. It means we search copany with strong balace sheet, small debt, always give deviden, big player in domestic market, with big capitalization. So simple. Now is your turn, What is your concern in this time? Regards JV --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote: John. Darling. I know this' kinda late but please take my apologize for being an ass to you and everyone last year. Please share with us, what is your forecast for 2009, and of course enlight us with your stock picks. Thank you so much for your reply. Anyway enough with nukes, that's and old story, yes? [?] Elaine -- Forwarded message -- From: Veter jhon_ve...@... Date: Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:52 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again.. To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *How big is your Nuke* Miss EL ??? I think your statement is overreacting (with smile). Off course Energy + CPO sector may drop up to 25% in first semester 2008, but that still not nuke from my point of view if you not believe with my statement, try to calculate your portfolio profit / growth from both of this sector (I believe more than 120%) isn't it amazing ???. So 25% fall for Energy + CPO is not nuke at all . Please dech ah, give us a definition from NUKE tooJ. BTW, nice to have you on this milis . Thanks for your braveness to be different. Happy New Year JV and Fam *Re: It's me again.. *http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan- bandar/message/53005;_ylc=X3oDMTJyNnQ2N2dtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2 NTIzNTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDAxNzc5BG1zZ0lkAzUzMDA1BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bX NnBHN0aW1lAzExOTg5NDMzODU- ** *Posted by: Bandar Sedang bejtra...@... bejtra...@...?subject=%20re%3a%20it%27s%20me%20again%2e%2e* *Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:03 am (PST) * If you look back on the beginning of 2007. yes, it happened.now, will the history repeat itself ? we'll see.i bet it will happen as one of the bozz agenda.. BUT...if you guys together fight backthe bozz might think twice - Original Message - From: Elaine To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar% 40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. Nobody likes bad news, but energy/cpo sector will be nuked in early 2008. It will be one hell of a shocker.. haha. One of the many examples of planned crash. The plan is to make another entry point. (But if you're smart, you can get a really good bargain price, again) EL On Dec 29, 2007 7:22 AM, abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman.ra...@... abdul.rahman.rahim%40gmail.com wrote: Hi Elaine. Everybody now you are still around. Happy new year. Do not hesitate to tell us about bozz' agenda from time to time. On Dec 28, 2007 12:27 PM, Elaine orkay...@...orkaybgt% 40gmail.com wrote: Happy new year 2008 EL
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BTW, ga semua Doa lho Paksembarangan dikabulkan^^ Lha masa YMK bisa ditipu apa? sama mau-nya manusia...hi hi Yg pasti Tuhan tdk akan mengurusi perkara yg kita sendiri bisa melakukannyaTAPI akan membantu atau mengambil alih semua perkara yg kita tdk sanggup melakukan(i.e REJEKI, JODOH, MATI), kecuali kalo kita SOK-SOKan ga mau dibantuin...atau MERASA paling bisa sampe TUHAN=SALAH...walah, kalo itu tunggu waktu aja, nanti juga bakal nangis2 kalo sudah kepentok sana sini hi hi hi Cerita Hasidin : Doa dari Hati Suatu hari sudah petang seorang petani miskin pulang dari pasar, menyadari bahwa ia lupa membawa buku doanya. Roda gerobagnya terlepas tepat di tengah hutan, dan ia menyesal bahwa hari akan lewat tanpa bisa mengucapkan doanya. Maka inilah doa yang dibuatnya: Perbuatanku amat bodoh, ya Tuhan. Aku meninggalkan rumah pagi ini tanpa membawa buku doa. Dan ingatanku itu sedemikian rupa hingga dia satu pun tak dapat kukatakan tanpa buku. Maka inilah yang hendak kukatakan : Aku akan mengucapkan a-b- c .. lima kali pelan-pelan dan Engkau, yang mengetahui semua doa, bisa mengatur huruf-hurufnya, untuk membentuk doa, yang tak dapat kuingat. Dan Tuhan berkata kepada para malaikatNya : Dari segala doa yang Aku dengar hari ini, satu ini niscaya yang paling baik, karena datang dari hati yang sederhana dan jujur CMIIW -- Hoki dech.^^ Best regards, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hehehe, namaku di bawa2, tp benar kan, kalo YMK sdh tentukan rezeki buat kita, maka ada aja jalan hingga rezeki itu masuk ke kantong kita, kalo bukan rezeki kita biar uda masuk dikantong ada aja jalan hingga muntah lg, jd ga mungkin jg kalo bs diminta atau sekalipun dg doa, Krn kalo dg begitu mudah bs diminta ataupun dg doa, sy mo tanya, apakah orang miskin ga bs minta atau berdoa, apa susahnya berdoa. Makanya selalu berpikir yg logis aja dg akal sehat yg sdh diberikan YMK kpd kita. SB Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from XL GPRS network -Original Message- From: PyRiEL PyRiEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:16:00 To:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. ihh koq namaku disebut2 huehehehehe kenapa pak DE? minat ma ABG juga?? hihihihihihi yuk kita hunting bareng2.. yang sekel yang mantep.. hihihi nyari yang seger2 pak!!! huahahahaahahahahaha sori neeh kawan2.. lagi error otakku.. thx pak DE buat mantra-nya.. saya percaya ma diri sendiri.. kalau memang akhirnya kalah, yang berarti itu memang takdirku.. tapi, so what gitu lho.. bawa fun aja kata Pak Sbudiana, rejeki gak akan kemana! ya toh?? liat noh si ABG.. cantik kan? On 1/14/08, Dean Earwicker dean.earwicker@ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] gmail.com wrote: Elu juga sih iseng, pake nanggepin...hehehe... udahlah trading masing-masing aja boleh lah denger kiri kanan buat wacana, tapi trading plan mah rahasia dapur masing-masing... Emosi sama sesuatu yang gak jelas cuma nyape2in aja.. sabar.. sabar... 2400 masih jauh ... --mentang2 gudang kosong... hehe Terus terang, saya gain di kebun juga tidak maksimal, istilahnya ejakulasi dini Gak cuma Elaine, saya dan mungkin rekan yang lain juga pasti ada yang belajar psikologi. Ini kalao gak salah istilahnya.. kalo anak kecil tuh... apa ya ... caper? Perkiraan gw sih si Elaine paling blm lebih dari 20thn umurnya... cmiiw.. kl dilihat dari gaya dan kedewasaan ya.. ATAU Mungkin dia mau ngetes kondisi publik (market) di OB, dan tampaknya (mnrt saya) agak down sedikit apakah ada yang nyangkut disini? Kalau dikasih umur panjang dan gak margin, nanti bisa balik modal. Tanya aja sama bos Pyriel dan saham ABG nya ..hahaha... Coba baca mantra ini sebelum trading: Take a deep breath. Relax. Inhale. Exhale. This is just a game. And game should be fun. Be patient. Be patient. Be patient. I know my target. I will get there. Everything else are just noises. I trust nobody but myself. I choose my own destiny. Regards, DE On 1/14/08, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ? (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...)
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okay..okay..its getting more complicated. can someone explain the real meaning, pleas..??? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, oBet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Conclusions are.. if something goes the other way around.. means the message is coded.. if things goes according to the message.. means the message is sincere.. sell means buy, buy means sell.. hehehe.. but, you are correct, we should study more - Original Message From: Forever Apprentice [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:53:11 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. Only the smart wins. Are you? My intention is you should STUDY before making any decision. It'd be RIDICULOUS if you think Energy/CPO sector is going to crash while the commodity prices are rising. Darn, you're abosultely right. Silly me :) Thanks for the tips. Keep on posting your coded messages EL, I'll be reading... and reading it CAREFULLY. cheers - Original Message From: Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:27:07 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. Read carefully. Only the smart wins. Are you? My intention is you should STUDY before making any decision. It'd be RIDICULOUS if you think Energy/CPO sector is going to crash while the commodity prices are rising. Now it's near the top, is this a good time to buy? Well, ask yourself, are you one of the PIG? :) EL On Dec 29, 2007 9:49 AM, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Nobody likes bad news, but energy/cpo sector will be nuked in early 2008. It will be one hell of a shocker.. haha. One of the many examples of planned crash. The plan is to make another entry point. (But if you're smart, you can get a really good bargain price, again) EL On Dec 29, 2007 7:22 AM, abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman. [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Hi Elaine. Everybody now you are still around. Happy new year. Do not hesitate to tell us about bozz' agenda from time to time. On Dec 28, 2007 12:27 PM, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Happy new year 2008 EL Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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Wah wah, gak sia-sia tadi pagi bad feeling :D Tadi market open langsung beli TINS, AALI, TBLA. rencana buat di-HOLD. Setelah 1 jam koq perasaan gak enak ya liatin roller coaster intraday begitu peak TINS AALI langsung jual lagi, TBLA blom peak langsung jual juga dah. Eh trus si EL posting. Nah loh, perasaan tambah gak enak tapi udah gak megang apa2 :D Barusan liat RTI... merah semua ya :) Slamet-slamet (elus2 dada) :D - Original Message From: donhako [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:05:34 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again.. okay..okay.. its getting more complicated. can someone explain the real meaning, pleas..? ?? --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, oBet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Conclusions are.. if something goes the other way around.. means the message is coded.. if things goes according to the message.. means the message is sincere.. sell means buy, buy means sell.. hehehe.. but, you are correct, we should study more - Original Message From: Forever Apprentice apprentice. [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:53:11 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. Only the smart wins. Are you? My intention is you should STUDY before making any decision. It'd be RIDICULOUS if you think Energy/CPO sector is going to crash while the commodity prices are rising. Darn, you're abosultely right. Silly me :) Thanks for the tips. Keep on posting your coded messages EL, I'll be reading... and reading it CAREFULLY. cheers - Original Message From: Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] . To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:27:07 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. Read carefully. Only the smart wins. Are you? My intention is you should STUDY before making any decision. It'd be RIDICULOUS if you think Energy/CPO sector is going to crash while the commodity prices are rising. Now it's near the top, is this a good time to buy? Well, ask yourself, are you one of the PIG? :) EL On Dec 29, 2007 9:49 AM, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Nobody likes bad news, but energy/cpo sector will be nuked in early 2008. It will be one hell of a shocker.. haha. One of the many examples of planned crash. The plan is to make another entry point. (But if you're smart, you can get a really good bargain price, again) EL On Dec 29, 2007 7:22 AM, abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman. [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Hi Elaine. Everybody now you are still around. Happy new year. Do not hesitate to tell us about bozz' agenda from time to time. On Dec 28, 2007 12:27 PM, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Happy new year 2008 EL Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _ _ _ _ _ _ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo. com/r/hs Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
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Mbah, Kalo postingan saya bisa memicu keributan tolong di-delete saja. Elaine, I am sorry. i don't mean to put you in the spotlight but this time it's just too much for me to swallow (maybe I am not smart enough :)). Please keep posting only good postings in the future... Maaf kalo ada yg tidak setuju sama saya. Salam, Rei --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa? Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine... boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ? (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...) so what do you mean by that ? do you state your self that you are a Big Player and it was you that made RALLY on CPO stocks? LOL ... (asli dah ngakak) Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector. now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating that the CPO will Explode in positive mean? Well, read your previous postings again, carefully : http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/52989 Nobody likes bad news, but energy/cpo sector will be nuked in early 2008. It will be one hell of a shocker.. haha. One of the many examples of planned crash. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/53049 Now, I want answers from you. WHICH stock/sector would defend the IHSG? Can we count on mining (again?), cpo? utility? property? banks? My answer is NO. Not yet. and EVEN you DECLARED that you have set the MARKET TRAP, (hehehe ... i rolled on the floor laughing at that moment, very entertaining posting) http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/53588 I'm really sorry, but my advisors said It's a lot better to do it when many have at skyhigh price. So we set a trap and It worked just fine. Now you're f***ed. To be honest, everyone with buy transaction in the last two days will be f***ed. I guess, I am evil, but I am NOT a liar. And before that http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/53569 ...whom can never distinguish between a reversal and a trap... ha ha ha ok, no need to get mad or anything, the money you spent today, you can get it back in maybe 6 to 12 months, don't worry... Do you get IT ??? Do you get my POINTS ??? DON'T CLAIM anythings, especially for what you didn't perform ! maybe MAYBE you are a BIG PLAYER, (maybe loh :-P ) But you are NOT that HUGE. do you think that all readers in this Group are foolish child ? hehehe please deh don't make yourself as a joke any further. and please don't take my reaction as a rude, attacking, offensive or all in negative means. Take it as a FRIENDLY reminder. salam, He who controls others (or big amount of money) may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still. NOTE: harap posting saya ini gak usah diperpanjang oleh rekan-2, males deh kalau baca posting isi-nya panas-panasan dan gak terlalu penting. to elaine, kalau mo balas mending lewat japri aja deh Elaine wrote: I said, The plan is to make another entry point. (But if you're smart, you can get a really good bargain price, again) I did tell you the plan. Did you make an entry? No? LOL. That was 2 wks ago... Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya... Meanwhile, most of utility, banking and defensive stocks are now like freezing to death... US and Japanese SUPER COMPANY are now pretty much undervalued. Becareful when the money starts to flow back... EL - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
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Pak Embah, Embah, Embah, yth, .. ... . sudahlah,.. . . ... di kedai Tuak (Bahasa Medan) ... di Warteg (bahasa Jawa).. . .. di Warkop (bahasa Jakarta)... . ternyata diskusi bisa LEBIH BERMARTABAT... ... LEBIH SANTUN. LEBIH INTELEKTUAL. LEBIH TIDAK EMOSIONAL. Embah, izinkan saya QUIT dari Obrolan Bandar, karena saya tidak berkemampuan untuk mengikuti diskusi seperti ini. Saya tidak ingin nantinya terpancing emosi seperti pak Boyz. Lagi pula akan menjadi sulit membedakan mana analisis yang dilatarbelakangi emosi dan maksud buruk, mana yg tidak. Thanks kpd Embah, DE, TBumi, dan Widhie dan semua OB Member lainnya yg telah memberi inspirasi sehat kepada saya. Embah tolong keanggotaan saya di OB ini di-delete. Saya mohon maaf bila ada kata-kata yang salah selama keanggotaan saya yang hanya beberapa hari saja. Cau, Aufwierdersehen. . . Regards and Danke, Rajauang == --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *duh ngomongin apaan sih ? (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...) so what do you mean by that ? do you state your self that you are a Big Player and it was you that made RALLY on CPO stocks? LOL ... (asli dah ngakak)* */Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya.../* oh yes, you have mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector. now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating that the CPO will Explode in positive mean? Well, read your previous postings again, carefully : http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/52989 *Nobody likes bad news, but energy/cpo sector will be nuked in early 2008. It will be one hell of a shocker.. haha. One of the many examples of planned crash.* http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/53049 *Now, I want answers from you. WHICH stock/sector would defend the IHSG? Can we count on mining (again?), cpo? utility? property? banks? My answer is NO. Not yet.* and EVEN you DECLARED that you have set the MARKET TRAP, (hehehe ... i rolled on the floor laughing at that moment, very entertaining posting) http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/53588 *I'm really sorry, but my advisors said It's a lot better to do it when many have at skyhigh price. So we set a trap and It worked just fine. Now you're f***ed. To be honest, everyone with buy transaction in the last two days will be f***ed. I guess, I am evil, but I am NOT a liar.* And before that http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/53569 *...whom can never distinguish between a reversal and a trap... ha ha ha ok, no need to get mad or anything, the money you spent today, you can get it back in maybe 6 to 12 months, don't worry...* Do you get IT ??? Do you get my POINTS ??? DON'T CLAIM anythings, especially for what you didn't perform ! maybe MAYBE you are a BIG PLAYER, (maybe loh :-P ) But you are NOT that HUGE. do you think that all readers in this Group are foolish child ? hehehe please deh don't make yourself as a joke any further. and please don't take my reaction as a rude, attacking, offensive or all in negative means. Take it as a FRIENDLY reminder. salam, He who controls others (or big amount of money) may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still. *NOTE: harap posting saya ini gak usah diperpanjang oleh rekan-2, males deh kalau baca posting isi-nya panas-panasan dan gak terlalu penting. to elaine, kalau mo balas mending lewat japri aja deh * Elaine wrote: /I said, The plan is to make another entry point. (But if you're smart, you can get a really good bargain price, again) // I did tell you the plan. Did you make an entry? No? LOL. That was 2 wks ago... Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya... Meanwhile, most of utility, banking and defensive stocks are now like freezing to death... US and Japanese SUPER COMPANY are now pretty much undervalued. Becareful when the money starts to flow back... *EL*/
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/duh kayaknya makin runyam nih, (perlu puasa lagi kayaknya)/ dear rajauang and friends, saya gak terpancing secara emosional, beneran deh. mungkin saja posting saya terkesan seperti itu. (mohon maaf juga kepada rekan2 jika tulisan saya terbaca seperti emosional dan kurang berkenan) inilah bedanya bertukar pikiran lewat verbal dan tulisan. kalau lewat verbal, mungkin anda dapat merasakan emosi lawan bicara dari tekanan suara. (atau melihat ekspresi muka jika bertemu langsung) kalau dari tulisan, bagaimana kita dapat memastikan emosi si penulis? dulu saya pernah bilang ke salah satu master yg hendak out dari milis ini just a little incident, masa gara2 serempetan sedikit di jalan, trus kapok nyetir mobil seumur-umur tentunya adalah hak masing2 individu untuk memilih, tapi, buat saya pribadi, milis OB adalah salah satu tempat belajar yg terbaik. apalagi dulu, saat milis ini dipenuhi oleh banyak master dari berbagai bidang. sekarang pun, milis ini masih punya banyak master yg berbaik hati mau mengajarkan ilmunya kepada kita-2. Gratis pula. Thanks to them. (nama gak usah disebut, rekan2 pasti sudah tahu siapa yg dimaksud). salam, rajauang wrote: Pak Embah, Embah, Embah, yth, .. ... . sudahlah,.. . . ... di kedai Tuak (Bahasa Medan) ... di Warteg (bahasa Jawa).. . .. di Warkop (bahasa Jakarta)... . ternyata diskusi bisa LEBIH BERMARTABAT... ... LEBIH SANTUN. LEBIH INTELEKTUAL. LEBIH TIDAK EMOSIONAL. Embah, izinkan saya QUIT dari Obrolan Bandar, karena saya tidak berkemampuan untuk mengikuti diskusi seperti ini. Saya tidak ingin nantinya terpancing emosi seperti pak Boyz. Lagi pula akan menjadi sulit membedakan mana analisis yang dilatarbelakangi emosi dan maksud buruk, mana yg tidak. Thanks kpd Embah, DE, TBumi, dan Widhie dan semua OB Member lainnya yg telah memberi inspirasi sehat kepada saya. Embah tolong keanggotaan saya di OB ini di-delete. Saya mohon maaf bila ada kata-kata yang salah selama keanggotaan saya yang hanya beberapa hari saja. Cau, Aufwierdersehen. . . Regards and Danke, Rajauang
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menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga.. seru liat nya kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: if you can stand the heat, get out of the kitchen' :) salam mrA --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa? Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine... boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ? (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...) so what do you mean by that ? do you state your self that you are a Big Player and it was you that made RALLY on CPO stocks? LOL ... (asli dah ngakak) Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector. now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating that the CPO will Explode in positive mean? Well, read your previous postings again, carefully :
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Asik asik... plok plok Setuju pak Arnold. Asik neh. Seru. Pak Boyz yang biasanya ngebanyol, masa gak tahan kelitikan Elaine, pak Boyz? Nurut gue sih seru... pak Rajauang, ngapain pake keluar segala. Justru yang kayak gini yang asik nih. Well, agak berlebihan dikit sih. Si Elaine kan udah komit gak pake F words and the gang lagi tuh. Nah tinggal saling ngejeknya yang masih belum ilang. Tapi gapapa koq saling ngejek dikit, biar yang panas diejek keluar ilmunya gitu lh. Kite kite tinggal mungutin aja. Hehehe Just like a nuke to our beloved stock market. When there is a nuke coming, just prepare yourself to pick as much as you can. Kalo ada yang lagi berantem (adu argumen), maka siap2lah mungutin ilmu sebanyak2nya. Sebenarnya hal seperti ini terjadi di milis yang banyak EGO berkeliaran. Ayo dong terusin Yang belum turun gunung, boleh deh ngintip buat ngetes kesaktian. Buat yang gak tahan ejekan. Ini nih rahasia tebal muka gue: Gue sih cuek abis, gue mau dibilang no brainer sekalipun, misalnya. Yang penting tujuan gue tercapai, dan yang penting gue gak bener2 no brainer koq... On Jan 14, 2008 5:09 PM, arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga.. seru liat nya kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: if you can stand the heat, get out of the kitchen' :) salam mrA --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa? Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine... boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ? (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...) so what do you mean by that ? do you state your self that you are a Big Player and it was you that made RALLY on CPO stocks? LOL ... (asli dah ngakak) Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector. now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating that the CPO will Explode in positive mean? Well, read your previous postings again, carefully :
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*I never suggest anyone to buy or sell anything. I was just expressing my own opinion, just like what everyone are doing here. I apologized and promised not to use the F word anymore. Please, If you don't agree with my opinion, then don't listen to me. It's that simple. In fact, I even SHARED my plan, which is TO BUY CPO stocks, and AVOID defensive stocks like TLKM, PGAS, and others. I'm not a trader nor investor, but I buy and sell stocks. That's a riddle :) Well, I'm sorry if you didn't get my message. You can call me anything you want, if that makes you feel better. EL* 2008/1/14 abdulrahim abdulrahim [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Asik asik... plok plok Setuju pak Arnold. Asik neh. Seru. Pak Boyz yang biasanya ngebanyol, masa gak tahan kelitikan Elaine, pak Boyz? Nurut gue sih seru... pak Rajauang, ngapain pake keluar segala. Justru yang kayak gini yang asik nih. Well, agak berlebihan dikit sih. Si Elaine kan udah komit gak pake F words and the gang lagi tuh. Nah tinggal saling ngejeknya yang masih belum ilang. Tapi gapapa koq saling ngejek dikit, biar yang panas diejek keluar ilmunya gitu lh. Kite kite tinggal mungutin aja. Hehehe Just like a nuke to our beloved stock market. When there is a nuke coming, just prepare yourself to pick as much as you can. Kalo ada yang lagi berantem (adu argumen), maka siap2lah mungutin ilmu sebanyak2nya. Sebenarnya hal seperti ini terjadi di milis yang banyak EGO berkeliaran. Ayo dong terusin Yang belum turun gunung, boleh deh ngintip buat ngetes kesaktian. Buat yang gak tahan ejekan. Ini nih rahasia tebal muka gue: Gue sih cuek abis, gue mau dibilang no brainer sekalipun, misalnya. Yang penting tujuan gue tercapai, dan yang penting gue gak bener2 no brainer koq... On Jan 14, 2008 5:09 PM, arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] arsu2%40yahoo.com wrote: menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga.. seru liat nya kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: if you can stand the heat, get out of the kitchen' :) salam mrA --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa? Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine... boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ? (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...) so what do you mean by that ? do you state your self that you are a Big Player and it was you that made RALLY on CPO stocks? LOL ... (asli dah ngakak) Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector. now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating that the CPO will Explode in positive mean? Well, read your previous postings again, carefully :
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Everybody in the market has the right position here that're hold, sold, buy, even cash to going to grow profit with capital protected, even preserved properly - Mr.Market is so generous, very kind to us - if and only if we're humble, pure hearted, hard-worked but smartly (3 H's) Happy chuan, Aria _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elaine Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:00 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again.. I never suggest anyone to buy or sell anything. I was just expressing my own opinion, just like what everyone are doing here. I apologized and promised not to use the F word anymore. Please, If you don't agree with my opinion, then don't listen to me. It's that simple. In fact, I even SHARED my plan, which is TO BUY CPO stocks, and AVOID defensive stocks like TLKM, PGAS, and others. I'm not a trader nor investor, but I buy and sell stocks. That's a riddle :) Well, I'm sorry if you didn't get my message. You can call me anything you want, if that makes you feel better. EL 2008/1/14 abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Asik asik... plok plok Setuju pak Arnold. Asik neh. Seru. Pak Boyz yang biasanya ngebanyol, masa gak tahan kelitikan Elaine, pak Boyz? Nurut gue sih seru... pak Rajauang, ngapain pake keluar segala. Justru yang kayak gini yang asik nih. Well, agak berlebihan dikit sih. Si Elaine kan udah komit gak pake F words and the gang lagi tuh. Nah tinggal saling ngejeknya yang masih belum ilang. Tapi gapapa koq saling ngejek dikit, biar yang panas diejek keluar ilmunya gitu lh. Kite kite tinggal mungutin aja. Hehehe Just like a nuke to our beloved stock market. When there is a nuke coming, just prepare yourself to pick as much as you can. Kalo ada yang lagi berantem (adu argumen), maka siap2lah mungutin ilmu sebanyak2nya. Sebenarnya hal seperti ini terjadi di milis yang banyak EGO berkeliaran. Ayo dong terusin Yang belum turun gunung, boleh deh ngintip buat ngetes kesaktian. Buat yang gak tahan ejekan. Ini nih rahasia tebal muka gue: Gue sih cuek abis, gue mau dibilang no brainer sekalipun, misalnya. Yang penting tujuan gue tercapai, dan yang penting gue gak bener2 no brainer koq... On Jan 14, 2008 5:09 PM, arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:arsu2%40yahoo.com com wrote: menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga.. seru liat nya kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: if you can stand the heat, get out of the kitchen' :) salam mrA --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa? Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine... boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ? (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...) so what do you mean by that ? do you state your self that you are a Big Player and it was you that made RALLY on CPO stocks? LOL ... (asli dah ngakak) Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector. now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating that the CPO will Explode in positive mean? Well, read your previous postings again, carefully :
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Ya betul juga...saya mungkin terpancing krn kalo seseorang berbelit-belit kita suka nggak sabaran...tapi ya saya rasa semua tetap nunggu postingan Elaine... If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen saya suka itu. arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga.. seru liat nya kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: if you can stand the heat, get out of the kitchen' :) salam mrA --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa? Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine... boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ? (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...) so what do you mean by that ? do you state your self that you are a Big Player and it was you that made RALLY on CPO stocks? LOL ... (asli dah ngakak) Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector. now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating that the CPO will Explode in positive mean? Well, read your previous postings again, carefully : - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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Don't you guys see? Somebody wants to be famous in this group... wants to be a celebrity... wants attention. Elaine or no Elaine, you guys make your own stock decision. As far as I can see Elaine got what she/he wants: THE SPOTLIGHT in the Group. No offense El... hihihi --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Wong Effendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EL, last time u want to bring index to 2400 but never happen. Now it's ur last chance to prove u right. Now or never. - Original Message From: Bandar Sedang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:06:07 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. If you look back on the beginning of 2007. yes, it happened .now, will the history repeat itself ? we'll see.i bet it will happen as one of the bozz agenda.. BUT...if you guys together fight backthe bozz might think twice - Original Message - From: Elaine To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. Nobody likes bad news, but energy/cpo sector will be nuked in early 2008. It will be one hell of a shocker.. haha. One of the many examples of planned crash. The plan is to make another entry point. (But if you're smart, you can get a really good bargain price, again) EL On Dec 29, 2007 7:22 AM, abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman. [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Hi Elaine. Everybody now you are still around. Happy new year. Do not hesitate to tell us about bozz' agenda from time to time. On Dec 28, 2007 12:27 PM, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Happy new year 2008 EL _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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El,if you trully very big player with your gank, can you buy this stock:BNBR , BUMI and TLKM up to auto reject on this day? if you a real bigest player, u can do it El bisa juga ga bikin SGRO dan ANTM autoreject bawah alias turun paling dalem dalam sehari? atau dalam seminggu SGRO bisa balik ke harga IPO nya. can you do it? jangan cuma ngomong doang, jangan cuma nebak manggis... buktikan kamu dan your gank itu bandar di IDX gitu lho.. itu baru El yang bener. Hidup ELaine... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, b2b1025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you guys see? Somebody wants to be famous in this group... wants to be a celebrity... wants attention. Elaine or no Elaine, you guys make your own stock decision. As far as I can see Elaine got what she/he wants: THE SPOTLIGHT in the Group. No offense El... hihihi --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Wong Effendy wongeffendy@ wrote: EL, last time u want to bring index to 2400 but never happen. Now it's ur last chance to prove u right. Now or never. - Original Message From: Bandar Sedang bejtrader@ To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:06:07 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. If you look back on the beginning of 2007. yes, it happened .now, will the history repeat itself ? we'll see.i bet it will happen as one of the bozz agenda.. BUT...if you guys together fight backthe bozz might think twice - Original Message - From: Elaine To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. Nobody likes bad news, but energy/cpo sector will be nuked in early 2008. It will be one hell of a shocker.. haha. One of the many examples of planned crash. The plan is to make another entry point. (But if you're smart, you can get a really good bargain price, again) EL On Dec 29, 2007 7:22 AM, abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman. [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Hi Elaine. Everybody now you are still around. Happy new year. Do not hesitate to tell us about bozz' agenda from time to time. On Dec 28, 2007 12:27 PM, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Happy new year 2008 EL _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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Sebenarnya sich ok-ok saja kalo Elaine mengeluarkan sebuah pendapat, dan akhirnya ada yang pro dan kontra dengan EL Justru itu yang membuat jadi semakin menarik. kenapa? Kalo semua setuju atau semua tidak setuju dengan EL maka sudah tidak menarik lagi. Yang terpenting kembali ke diri kita masing-masing, semua informasi yang kita dapatkan boleh kita ambil tapi ingat harus ada penyaringan di dalam diri kita apakah benar atau tidak. Akhirnya informasi yang kita terima akan menjadi tanggung jawab kita dimana bila informasi yang kita terima ternyata salah, jangan menyalahkan orang lain. Orang besar adalah orang yang berani mengakui bahwa dia salah Hidup penuh pilihan, Pilihan ada di tangan Anda. Jadi Anda bertanggung jawab dengan pilihan Anda -= Kita tidak perlu menjadi besar ketika mulai tapi kita harus mulai untuk menjadi besar =- Best Regards. KJ
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Elaine, sorry saya gak jago bahasa inggris spt Anda. jadi bahasa Indonesia aja ya. Setau saya ( koreksi kalo saya salah ), Milis ini diharapkan menjadi ajang Information Sharing dan ajang tempat ngobrol para para investor saham, khususnya para investor saham di Bursa Efek Jakarta (BEJ). So, kalo Elaine mau share sesuatu, please be honest, jangan menyesatkan, jangan pula pake teka-teki yang membingungkan. Kalo gak niat sharing, mending gak usah. Khan milis ini untuk umum khan, tidak hanya untuk yang sudah pakar. Kasian yang masih pada hijau, khan jadi bingung. Niatnya gabung di milis untuk berbagi informasi ( yang valid ), malah bisa2 tersesat. Bursa bukan permainan anak kecil. Kalo berhasil, bikin sejahtera. Kalo tersesat, bisa bikin bangkrut. Share tidak harus sesuatu yang pasti benar kok, namanya juga analisis. Just be honest dan tidak diputar-puter. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *I never suggest anyone to buy or sell anything. I was just expressing my own opinion, just like what everyone are doing here. I apologized and promised not to use the F word anymore. Please, If you don't agree with my opinion, then don't listen to me. It's that simple. In fact, I even SHARED my plan, which is TO BUY CPO stocks, and AVOID defensive stocks like TLKM, PGAS, and others. I'm not a trader nor investor, but I buy and sell stocks. That's a riddle :) Well, I'm sorry if you didn't get my message. You can call me anything you want, if that makes you feel better. EL* 2008/1/14 abdulrahim abdulrahim [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Asik asik... plok plok Setuju pak Arnold. Asik neh. Seru. Pak Boyz yang biasanya ngebanyol, masa gak tahan kelitikan Elaine, pak Boyz? Nurut gue sih seru... pak Rajauang, ngapain pake keluar segala. Justru yang kayak gini yang asik nih. Well, agak berlebihan dikit sih. Si Elaine kan udah komit gak pake F words and the gang lagi tuh. Nah tinggal saling ngejeknya yang masih belum ilang. Tapi gapapa koq saling ngejek dikit, biar yang panas diejek keluar ilmunya gitu lh. Kite kite tinggal mungutin aja. Hehehe Just like a nuke to our beloved stock market. When there is a nuke coming, just prepare yourself to pick as much as you can. Kalo ada yang lagi berantem (adu argumen), maka siap2lah mungutin ilmu sebanyak2nya. Sebenarnya hal seperti ini terjadi di milis yang banyak EGO berkeliaran. Ayo dong terusin Yang belum turun gunung, boleh deh ngintip buat ngetes kesaktian. Buat yang gak tahan ejekan. Ini nih rahasia tebal muka gue: Gue sih cuek abis, gue mau dibilang no brainer sekalipun, misalnya. Yang penting tujuan gue tercapai, dan yang penting gue gak bener2 no brainer koq... On Jan 14, 2008 5:09 PM, arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] arsu2%40yahoo.com wrote: menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga.. seru liat nya kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: if you can stand the heat, get out of the kitchen' :) salam mrA --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa? Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine... boyz m4573rs@ wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ? (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...) so what do you mean by that ? do you state your self that you are a Big Player and it was you that made RALLY on CPO stocks? LOL ... (asli dah ngakak) Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector. now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating that the CPO will Explode in positive mean? Well, read your previous postings again, carefully :
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Simple aja kog menyelesaikannya. Gak usah direply. --- SEKILAS INFO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sebenarnya sich ok-ok saja kalo Elaine mengeluarkan sebuah pendapat, dan akhirnya ada yang pro dan kontra dengan EL Justru itu yang membuat jadi semakin menarik. kenapa? Kalo semua setuju atau semua tidak setuju dengan EL maka sudah tidak menarik lagi. Yang terpenting kembali ke diri kita masing-masing, semua informasi yang kita dapatkan boleh kita ambil tapi ingat harus ada penyaringan di dalam diri kita apakah benar atau tidak. Akhirnya informasi yang kita terima akan menjadi tanggung jawab kita dimana bila informasi yang kita terima ternyata salah, jangan menyalahkan orang lain. Orang besar adalah orang yang berani mengakui bahwa dia salah Hidup penuh pilihan, Pilihan ada di tangan Anda. Jadi Anda bertanggung jawab dengan pilihan Anda -= Kita tidak perlu menjadi besar ketika mulai tapi kita harus mulai untuk menjadi besar =- Best Regards. KJ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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Justru sengaja dibikin ngga jelas, teka-teki, muter-muter, etc... EL bilang biar FUN.., padahal biar GAMPANG NGELES... he..he.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, donhako [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elaine, sorry saya gak jago bahasa inggris spt Anda. jadi bahasa Indonesia aja ya. Setau saya ( koreksi kalo saya salah ), Milis ini diharapkan menjadi ajang Information Sharing dan ajang tempat ngobrol para para investor saham, khususnya para investor saham di Bursa Efek Jakarta (BEJ). So, kalo Elaine mau share sesuatu, please be honest, jangan menyesatkan, jangan pula pake teka-teki yang membingungkan. Kalo gak niat sharing, mending gak usah. Khan milis ini untuk umum khan, tidak hanya untuk yang sudah pakar. Kasian yang masih pada hijau, khan jadi bingung. Niatnya gabung di milis untuk berbagi informasi ( yang valid ), malah bisa2 tersesat. Bursa bukan permainan anak kecil. Kalo berhasil, bikin sejahtera. Kalo tersesat, bisa bikin bangkrut. Share tidak harus sesuatu yang pasti benar kok, namanya juga analisis. Just be honest dan tidak diputar-puter. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine orkaybgt@ wrote: *I never suggest anyone to buy or sell anything. I was just expressing my own opinion, just like what everyone are doing here. I apologized and promised not to use the F word anymore. Please, If you don't agree with my opinion, then don't listen to me. It's that simple. In fact, I even SHARED my plan, which is TO BUY CPO stocks, and AVOID defensive stocks like TLKM, PGAS, and others. I'm not a trader nor investor, but I buy and sell stocks. That's a riddle :) Well, I'm sorry if you didn't get my message. You can call me anything you want, if that makes you feel better. EL* 2008/1/14 abdulrahim abdulrahim abdul.rahman.rahim@: Asik asik... plok plok Setuju pak Arnold. Asik neh. Seru. Pak Boyz yang biasanya ngebanyol, masa gak tahan kelitikan Elaine, pak Boyz? Nurut gue sih seru... pak Rajauang, ngapain pake keluar segala. Justru yang kayak gini yang asik nih. Well, agak berlebihan dikit sih. Si Elaine kan udah komit gak pake F words and the gang lagi tuh. Nah tinggal saling ngejeknya yang masih belum ilang. Tapi gapapa koq saling ngejek dikit, biar yang panas diejek keluar ilmunya gitu lh. Kite kite tinggal mungutin aja. Hehehe Just like a nuke to our beloved stock market. When there is a nuke coming, just prepare yourself to pick as much as you can. Kalo ada yang lagi berantem (adu argumen), maka siap2lah mungutin ilmu sebanyak2nya. Sebenarnya hal seperti ini terjadi di milis yang banyak EGO berkeliaran. Ayo dong terusin Yang belum turun gunung, boleh deh ngintip buat ngetes kesaktian. Buat yang gak tahan ejekan. Ini nih rahasia tebal muka gue: Gue sih cuek abis, gue mau dibilang no brainer sekalipun, misalnya. Yang penting tujuan gue tercapai, dan yang penting gue gak bener2 no brainer koq... On Jan 14, 2008 5:09 PM, arnold arsu2@ arsu2%40yahoo.com wrote: menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga.. seru liat nya kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: if you can stand the heat, get out of the kitchen' :) salam mrA --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa? Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine... boyz m4573rs@ wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ? (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...) so what do you mean by that ? do you state your self that you are a Big Player and it was you that made RALLY on CPO stocks? LOL ... (asli dah ngakak) Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector. now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating that the CPO will Explode in positive mean? Well, read your previous postings again, carefully :
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Setuju sekali...pak...gunanya kita gabung di milis ini untuk belajar dari para senior dan pakar di bursa sehingga kita yang baru tidak mengalami kerugian karena belum mengerti medan pertempurannya bagaimana. forum ini digunakan untuk sharing pengalaman dan pengetahuan serta informasi yang benar tdk perlu akurat sehingga tidak merugikan orang lain yang mungkin menerima informasi itu bulat-bulat tks ch -Original Message- From: donhako [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:59 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: It's me again.. Elaine, sorry saya gak jago bahasa inggris spt Anda. jadi bahasa Indonesia aja ya. Setau saya ( koreksi kalo saya salah ), Milis ini diharapkan menjadi ajang Information Sharing dan ajang tempat ngobrol para para investor saham, khususnya para investor saham di Bursa Efek Jakarta (BEJ). So, kalo Elaine mau share sesuatu, please be honest, jangan menyesatkan, jangan pula pake teka-teki yang membingungkan. Kalo gak niat sharing, mending gak usah. Khan milis ini untuk umum khan, tidak hanya untuk yang sudah pakar. Kasian yang masih pada hijau, khan jadi bingung. Niatnya gabung di milis untuk berbagi informasi ( yang valid ), malah bisa2 tersesat. Bursa bukan permainan anak kecil. Kalo berhasil, bikin sejahtera. Kalo tersesat, bisa bikin bangkrut. Share tidak harus sesuatu yang pasti benar kok, namanya juga analisis. Just be honest dan tidak diputar-puter. --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *I never suggest anyone to buy or sell anything. I was just expressing my own opinion, just like what everyone are doing here. I apologized and promised not to use the F word anymore. Please, If you don't agree with my opinion, then don't listen to me. It's that simple. In fact, I even SHARED my plan, which is TO BUY CPO stocks, and AVOID defensive stocks like TLKM, PGAS, and others. I'm not a trader nor investor, but I buy and sell stocks. That's a riddle :) Well, I'm sorry if you didn't get my message. You can call me anything you want, if that makes you feel better. EL* 2008/1/14 abdulrahim abdulrahim [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Asik asik... plok plok Setuju pak Arnold. Asik neh. Seru. Pak Boyz yang biasanya ngebanyol, masa gak tahan kelitikan Elaine, pak Boyz? Nurut gue sih seru... pak Rajauang, ngapain pake keluar segala. Justru yang kayak gini yang asik nih. Well, agak berlebihan dikit sih. Si Elaine kan udah komit gak pake F words and the gang lagi tuh. Nah tinggal saling ngejeknya yang masih belum ilang. Tapi gapapa koq saling ngejek dikit, biar yang panas diejek keluar ilmunya gitu lh. Kite kite tinggal mungutin aja. Hehehe Just like a nuke to our beloved stock market. When there is a nuke coming, just prepare yourself to pick as much as you can. Kalo ada yang lagi berantem (adu argumen), maka siap2lah mungutin ilmu sebanyak2nya. Sebenarnya hal seperti ini terjadi di milis yang banyak EGO berkeliaran. Ayo dong terusin Yang belum turun gunung, boleh deh ngintip buat ngetes kesaktian. Buat yang gak tahan ejekan. Ini nih rahasia tebal muka gue: Gue sih cuek abis, gue mau dibilang no brainer sekalipun, misalnya. Yang penting tujuan gue tercapai, dan yang penting gue gak bener2 no brainer koq... On Jan 14, 2008 5:09 PM, arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] arsu2%40yahoo.com wrote: menurut saya biarin aja lah pak EL mau ngomong apa sebagai member milis hak nya sama dengan yang lain.. asal tidak menghina member yg lain / melangar etika kesopanan kalau kata embah kan tujuan milsi utk menampung provokasi juga.. seru liat nya kalau nga tahan spt kata pepatah: if you can stand the heat, get out of the kitchen' :) salam mrA --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: C7 Pak Boyz! Si Elaine ini mah 100% B/S lah...kita ini goblok apa? Cuma ada nubie2 yg percaya ama dia, kasihan aja. Mau ngeles cuma karangannya kurang cohesive. Elaine...elaine... boyz m4573rs@ wrote: duh ngomongin apaan sih ? (sebenernya gak pingin comment, useless, tapi gatel juga ...) so what do you mean by that ? do you state your self that you are a Big Player and it was you that made RALLY on CPO stocks? LOL ... (asli dah ngakak) Do you realize what NUKE is? It's an explosion. CPO did explode. Big time. Well, I could just tell you to buy this and that, but that's no fun at all. Be creative a bit, will ya...oh yes, you have mentioned on your previous posting about NUKE on CPO sector. now, Do you claimed that your previous postings were indicating that the CPO will Explode in positive mean? Well, read your previous postings again, carefully :
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Jadi ingat jaman dulu waktu masih ada Porkas. Pernah beli prediksinya yg dibuat aneh2, hurufnya dibuat nyambung2. Nah, pada saat nomor porkasnya keluar, si dukun bilang kalau prediksinya sesuai (dimirip-miripin) Elaine ya seperti itu, hehehe 2008/1/15 jsxtrader [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Justru sengaja dibikin ngga jelas, teka-teki, muter-muter, etc... EL bilang biar FUN.., padahal biar GAMPANG NGELES... he..he.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, donhako [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elaine, sorry saya gak jago bahasa inggris spt Anda. jadi bahasa Indonesia aja ya. Setau saya ( koreksi kalo saya salah ), Milis ini diharapkan menjadi ajang Information Sharing dan ajang tempat ngobrol para para investor
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Tp kl kita berperang tidak tahu medan perang juga sangat bahaya, jadi sebelum perang kita harus tahu dulu medan perangnya seperti apa. Sebenarnya kita bisa ambil sisi positifnya. Kl postingan di OB aja ada yg menyesatkan, begitu juga barang di market banyak yang menyesatkan jadi di sini kita perlu hati2 dalam menanggapi semua informasi yg ada. -=Jangan seperti anak kecil yang selalu disuapi, kadang2 anak tersebut harus belajar makan sendiri=- Best Regards, KJ
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ic...ic...kalo dah punya templatenya sih cepet kali yah. pengalaman pribadi sih kemaren ini pakai template xls yang kang ocoy pernah kirim, kesulitan menemukan angka2x yg diperlukan. kan harusnya semua angka2x itu berasal dari 1 sumber, entah itu laporan keuangan si emiten ato dari reuters etc. mungkin karena istilah yang dipakai berbeda, atau memang ga tersedia, atau yg paling mungkin sayanya yg ga mudeng... :D thanks yah. best, /satria On Jan 3, 2008, at 1:27 PM, kang_ocoy_maen_saham wrote: tergantung kualitas laporannya pak... kalo modelling processnya mingkin 1 hari dikerjain sendiri jg bisa... biasanya yg lama / ribet sih bikin proyeksi financial performancenya pak... biasanya yg dibutuhin buat input model itu mau ga mau mesti buat projection income statement, projection balance sheet sama projection free cashflow nya... standarnya analisa laporan keuangan / valuasi sih biasanya cuman ngelanjutin laporan keuangan versi audit tahun ini dan terus bikin proyeksi laporan keuangan ke depan sesuai asumsi2 perkembangan dan tren perusahaan ke depan.. nah cuman analis yg lebih ahli / nguasain proses auditing biasanya nguji lagi quality of report dr laporan audit tersebut.. saya sih biasanya cuman ngelanjutin dr laporan keuangan audit aja.. tp ada jg temen analis yg punya background akunting jg yg kadang2 suka saya minta bantuannya... kalo mo cepet en gampang sebenernya tinggal pake angka proyeksi konsensus analis2... trus dibuat CAGRnya tahun2 ke depan, ato sekalian ambil report dr analis2 yg kita tau punya integritas (analis yg biasanya presisi dan jujur) trus kita pake angka2 proyeksinya.. tinggal kita masukkin pake model yg kita pengen pake, ato malah modelnya sama ama yg di konsensus/analis cuman discount factor, market premium, sama terminal growth ratenya aja yg kita rubah sesuai preferensi sendiri.. kalo cuman ganti model mungkin setengah hari jg beres, apalagi kalo cuman ganti variabel input modelnya... paling sejam-dua jam jg beres... proses plg ribet (tp plg krusial) ya di proyeksi laporan keuangan aja... saya ga mungkin bilang ini pekerjaan gampang, saya jg masih belajar.. but i think its worth to do.. it makes a real different ketika kita membuat valuasi sendiri ketika menentukan keputusan investasi... lagian buat saya yg ga bisa nebak market timing, this investing style methodis suits me more, its like batting for a perfect ball without called strike, simply wait for the perfect ball.. dan perfect ball is defined by good valuation itu tadi... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Satria P. Winata Jap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kang ocoy, biasanya berapa lama sih waktu yg diperlukan utk melakukan proper valuation or fundamental analysis sperti yang dilakukan kang ocoy? 1 day? 1 week? trus dikerjain sendiri ato rame rame (team work)? soalnya koq saya ngeliatnya kalo untuk individual investor (retailer), kerjaan tersebut lumayan berat yah? ato ini hanya perkiraan saya saja yang salah? ato it's a matter of habit (bisa karena biasa)? kalo it takes weeks to analyze, resikonya bisa ketinggalan kereta yah? btw, thanks buat posting awal taon yg enlightening ini... best, /satria
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nikkei drop. bomnya sekarang aja heheheh. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sell? I want to buy, not sell, you silly :) On Jan 3, 2008 8:07 AM, Jack Cowok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *SELL ALL YOUR STOCK ELAINE !* *WE HAVE $900mio FRESH MONEY SPARE AFTER VACATION.* ** *IHSG will GO 3000 and you will SLEEP BEAUTY WITH YOUR MONEY. * ** ** ** *JACK* *Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] * wrote: LOL James.. Some called me tricky, liar, antagonist, bad girl, evil... Yeah maybe I missed the numbers. The hell with em. -2% today wouldn't hurt, right? After all, my target is only $400mio, -15% in two weeks IF things go well. You don't have to sell if you don't want to. Just pretend nothing happens. It helps me a lot if you guys don't get along. Blame it on the rain, yeah yeah. *EL* On Jan 2, 2008 3:54 PM, James Arifin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First time she told you and you believe, IT'S GOING WRONG. Second time she told you again and you believe, but another SUCKS. Third time she told again, everybody think that she may get wrong again and play contrarian and at that time the NUKE may happened as she had saved her major investment.. ..hehehe, so please be prepared yourself with any possible scenario. There is high possibility IHSG will face big BEARISH on February On 1/2/08, james rajasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Old trick, Elaine comes with bad news, IHSG may go down but it will not be anything like nuke, new years firecrackers at best. ELAINE = Diversion, Watch major rebound from sleeping stocks like Antm Just a thought. JRA On 12/31/07, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have to prove anything, right? And don't challenge me. Any smart investor here would know that IHSG performance lately is very ABNORMAL. Out of sync. The biggest cap in BEI is downed *-20%*from its highest. Once called the safest stock, this DEFENSIVE one I'm talking about here is not playing defense anymore. Once the defense is breached, things will get ugly. Other defensive stocks WILL follow. Thanks to new IPOs and BUMI/ANTM race, the IHSG is saved until the closing bell of 2007. It has NEVER been like this before, so you might not be prepared. If there weren't any race, IHSG would be 2400,.. or worse. Now, I want answers from you. WHICH stock/sector *would defend *the IHSG? Can we count on mining (again?), cpo? utility? property? banks? My answer is NO. Not yet. Btw, I create statements. YOU are the one who were overreacting. :) If you believe in your stocks, *hold'em tight*, or you may want to stay away. Whether you want to hold or sell, it's not my business. I am not evil. I don't like bears either, but I'd be the first to warn. You'll be glad if I am around, than hearing sweet lies... *EL **Thanks Embah for allowing me to be here again. ** * On Dec 31, 2007 7:55 AM, Wong Effendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EL, last time u want to bring index to 2400 but never happen. Now it's ur last chance to prove u right. Now or never. - Original Message From: Bandar Sedang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:06:07 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. If you look back on the beginning of 2007. yes, it happened .now, will the history repeat itself ? we'll see. i bet it will happen as one of the bozz agenda.. BUT...if you guys together fight backthe bozz might think twice -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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huai to all bro sis.. met taon baru dulu ah.. kangen jg euy.. akhir taun kmaren was really hectic, massive portfolio rebalance dizzy end-year job.. makanya ambil liburannya duluan en balik k jakartanya malah entaran... tp skrg dah balik lg ke bursa tercinta... a tough year this year yah kayanya... beuhh 900 400 million dollar... bagi dikit aja tuhh bisa ga kerja lagi en tinggal foya2 keliling dunia ajahh... hehe.. ckkckk bandar OB kuat2 benerr yehh... gimana prospek tahun ini guys??.. as usual im idiot if its bout timing or sentiment or bandarmology, hence i rely on u guys to comprehend me of such stuffs... but from my point of view, for better or worse this year remains opportunity for us all... nowadays its a range-bound market rather than bull or bear... looking how the season starts, this year may be a bargain hunting season yahh... saya selalu melihat harga dan market lebih condong ke pandangan valuasi drpd harga... what make market's market is kinda 2 thing... 1. PE Rating Level (Is it Contracting or Expanding) 2. Revenue / Income Growth this is how it works ; what justified a market level is the 2 things above what do the level 2400 means to u?? or even 3000?? or might be 2000?? whether the answer is cheap or fair or expensive is subject of timing (1st point) and fundamental (2nd point) PE Rating is moving as the way economy industry is going, Sometimes on 1-2 to 5 consecutive year its EXPANDING (tahun 1 di rating 12 trus 14 trus naek hingga 18) or sometimes it starts contracting on 1-2 year (settling down) or even shrinking by consecutive 3-5 year(depression)... on economy growing time the PE Rating is expected to be expanding (if the economy and bussiness is good and next 2-3 years everything is remain safe and sound, then likely if the PE rating of today is 14 or so we could expect next year that it would grow to 15 or 16 - everything remain unchanged/ceteris paribus) that happen to our market 2004 to half 2007, our PE rating keep expanding.. on economy slowing down phase (biasanya sehabis puncak pertumbuhan) either its settle at current level or it shrinking down to offset the late too rapid expansion of the usual peak time period... the overvalued is settling down to be fairly-valued, sometime if the economy is depressing it goes furtherly down to undervalued mode... nah, the E of PE Rating is subject to Fundamental or Internal Strength of the bussiness economy... the Justifying PE Rating is often based on E Growth level... if the overall market E is growing 25% u would expect the rating is growing at about that amount if the growth is likely to last. jadi contohnya begini; MISALNYA BURSA X : mARKET BERADA DI LEVEL 2000 DI tahun 2004 itu PE Ratingnya 12 nah economy is good dan taun depannya indeks 2500, people would say its insane (level harga segitu) but dengan kenaikan 25% YOY ternyata PE ratingnya hanya naik dr 12 ke 14.. nah it would be just normal considering the high growth of the E.. if the growth rate of E is lasting and economy is fine we would expect the index level to mount to even higher PE rating. it means the PE Rating of the economy is on the expansion mode (keep on going up), biasanya ini kejadian berturut2 3-5 tahun selama ekonomi okay2 sajah (thats why china was valued at those rating lately) tp every good thing must come to an end , nah kadang ketika waktunya kontraksi (natural phase on economic cycle), it goes down dan kadang diperparah turunnya dengan turunnya E dr si overall market tadi nah kadang PE Rating ini juga sifatnya relatif alias liat2an sama index tetangga juga... rating yg edan sometime dijustifikasi krn si tetangga lebih edan lagi.. a rather silly thinking sih sebenernya... so, now our index is 2700 level.. is it on the way to keep expanding or start contracting?? is it cheap or expensive by fundamental basis??.. wah itu mah selera personal aja yah.. hehe... but nevertheless.., we all know that economy goes in cycle, never were more than a decade economy is declining... after the darkness the light will catching up.. so here goes my idea, if its the darkness that gonna come.. dont waste it, pick the one that gonna lite up even on the darkest time... gimana milihnya?? haha, being a value-investing wannabe player.. mungkin ini waktu yg sudah saya tunggu2 untuk menswitch sejenak mode valuasi growth ke mode value-investing ortodoks.. hehe... pertama mungkin set-up a bigger margin of safety of entry point (yg biasanya 20% jd 30/40%) the margin of safety protect us from bad economy time... pick a company with stellar balance sheet and high free cash flow in hand (they make up for bad time sales, dan bahkan kalo punya banyak di cash... saat harga di pasar jelek company bisa dengan asyik en enjoynya nge-buyback saham yg dihargai murah, hence nambah pendapatan equity nantinya.. dan cash yg banyak di tangan menjamin pembayaran dividen even in the bad time...) seek a good quality of management lahh... yang sering bokiss2 mah
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lupa, takutnya sesat.. hehe.. the hunting method im talking about is expected to paid off on yearly basis... haha.. oom buffet jg kan kalo dapet untung kan bukan keliatan setaon dua taon... but on right timing (right valuation on bargain-time period)... we would harvest well on the future... so to say lah.. im an investor afterall... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, kang_ocoy_maen_saham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: huai to all bro sis.. met taon baru dulu ah.. kangen jg euy.. akhir taun kmaren was really hectic, massive portfolio rebalance dizzy end-year job.. makanya ambil liburannya duluan en balik k jakartanya malah entaran... tp skrg dah balik lg ke bursa tercinta... a tough year this year yah kayanya... beuhh 900 400 million dollar... bagi dikit aja tuhh bisa ga kerja lagi en tinggal foya2 keliling dunia ajahh... hehe.. ckkckk bandar OB kuat2 benerr yehh... gimana prospek tahun ini guys??.. as usual im idiot if its bout timing or sentiment or bandarmology, hence i rely on u guys to comprehend me of such stuffs... but from my point of view, for better or worse this year remains opportunity for us all... nowadays its a range-bound market rather than bull or bear... looking how the season starts, this year may be a bargain hunting season yahh... saya selalu melihat harga dan market lebih condong ke pandangan valuasi drpd harga... what make market's market is kinda 2 thing... 1. PE Rating Level (Is it Contracting or Expanding) 2. Revenue / Income Growth this is how it works ; what justified a market level is the 2 things above what do the level 2400 means to u?? or even 3000?? or might be 2000?? whether the answer is cheap or fair or expensive is subject of timing (1st point) and fundamental (2nd point) PE Rating is moving as the way economy industry is going, Sometimes on 1-2 to 5 consecutive year its EXPANDING (tahun 1 di rating 12 trus 14 trus naek hingga 18) or sometimes it starts contracting on 1-2 year (settling down) or even shrinking by consecutive 3-5 year(depression)... on economy growing time the PE Rating is expected to be expanding (if the economy and bussiness is good and next 2-3 years everything is remain safe and sound, then likely if the PE rating of today is 14 or so we could expect next year that it would grow to 15 or 16 - everything remain unchanged/ceteris paribus) that happen to our market 2004 to half 2007, our PE rating keep expanding.. on economy slowing down phase (biasanya sehabis puncak pertumbuhan) either its settle at current level or it shrinking down to offset the late too rapid expansion of the usual peak time period... the overvalued is settling down to be fairly-valued, sometime if the economy is depressing it goes furtherly down to undervalued mode... nah, the E of PE Rating is subject to Fundamental or Internal Strength of the bussiness economy... the Justifying PE Rating is often based on E Growth level... if the overall market E is growing 25% u would expect the rating is growing at about that amount if the growth is likely to last. jadi contohnya begini; MISALNYA BURSA X : mARKET BERADA DI LEVEL 2000 DI tahun 2004 itu PE Ratingnya 12 nah economy is good dan taun depannya indeks 2500, people would say its insane (level harga segitu) but dengan kenaikan 25% YOY ternyata PE ratingnya hanya naik dr 12 ke 14.. nah it would be just normal considering the high growth of the E.. if the growth rate of E is lasting and economy is fine we would expect the index level to mount to even higher PE rating. it means the PE Rating of the economy is on the expansion mode (keep on going up), biasanya ini kejadian berturut2 3-5 tahun selama ekonomi okay2 sajah (thats why china was valued at those rating lately) tp every good thing must come to an end , nah kadang ketika waktunya kontraksi (natural phase on economic cycle), it goes down dan kadang diperparah turunnya dengan turunnya E dr si overall market tadi nah kadang PE Rating ini juga sifatnya relatif alias liat2an sama index tetangga juga... rating yg edan sometime dijustifikasi krn si tetangga lebih edan lagi.. a rather silly thinking sih sebenernya... so, now our index is 2700 level.. is it on the way to keep expanding or start contracting?? is it cheap or expensive by fundamental basis??.. wah itu mah selera personal aja yah.. hehe... but nevertheless.., we all know that economy goes in cycle, never were more than a decade economy is declining... after the darkness the light will catching up.. so here goes my idea, if its the darkness that gonna come.. dont waste it, pick the one that gonna lite up even on the darkest time... gimana milihnya?? haha, being a value-investing wannabe player.. mungkin ini waktu yg sudah saya tunggu2 untuk menswitch sejenak mode valuasi growth ke mode value-investing ortodoks.. hehe... pertama mungkin set-up a bigger margin of safety of
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sombong ngga sombong biarin aja.. di internet mah apa lu kate.. malah menarik ketemu yang unik-2, bsia banyak belajar orang sombong biasanya juga kesandung/kejedut.. soalnya liatnya atas terus trus dompetnya jatuh/ berantakan trus kita pungut deh :) salam mrA --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, frombatamwithcuan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yah biarin aje si Neng Sombong.. mungkin dari sononya begitu. Udah kaya dari sononya mungkin, mangkenye kayak gitu. Belum pernah nyobain trading pake modal 5 juta rupiah.. hehe Kalo udah pernah, dijamin nggk bakal sombong.. On Jan 3, 2008 10:30 AM, Dick Q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: duh si Neng sombongnya, padahal CUMA kebetulan aje postingnya kemarin bener. Maaf Neng, bukannya gak respect ama statement anda. Tapi gaya bahasanya itu lho yg gak tahan. kayak ente yg punya BEI aje ;) cheers, = Dick Q =
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ruar biasa kang ocoy. thanks atas pencerahannya. eniwe kalo modenya investor mah kudu modal kuat. soalnya horison timingnya long term. retail mah trading aja kale. soalnya butuh menggandakan capital-nya dalam waktu singkat. kalo boleh di share, stock pick kang ocoy untuk mid cap stock taon 2008 dong dari valuation analysis-nya. saya suka mid-cap soalnya yang tengah-2 itu kan lebih asyikhehehe +++ mo cuan belajar FA dari kang ocoy +++ --- kang_ocoy_maen_saham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: huai to all bro sis.. met taon baru dulu ah.. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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yah, ngeliat kondisi yg dibilang bakal jelek taun ini sih kayanya stancenya liat2 dulu q1 kali yah... soalnya wether yg digembar-gemborin slowing2an itu kejadian ya kita liat Q1 aja nanti... meski sebenernya efek langsung ke indo dr depresi ekonomi harusnya ga ada (kecuali oil stay diats $100 dan lebih dlm jangka waktu lama..)... nah kalo oil nya bisa nurun... saya rasa plantation jg masih oke - CPO kan banyaknya dipake buat makanan(bukan biodiesel), harga ga bakal turun banyak krn permintaan mah kuat terus krn mau ga mau populasi dunia kan makan terus... CPO mah mo minyak naek ato engga sama2 okehh sihh... lastingnya juga lama.. lagian revaluasi harga aset (baca lahan) kalo misalnya harga2 naek jg pasti ada... semen dan infrastruktur asal oil mulai reda harusnya juga bisa mulai tumbuh... banking yg punya basis mikro juga lumayan... tlkm asal H108 terbukti penjualan dan laba ga turun juga murahh... ya banyak sihh... apalagi kalo pada dihajar turun nantinyaa... cuman ya itu, tahun ini entry poin gede2annya pake margin of safety yg lebih gede dari taun kemaren.. mempertimbangkan segala isu dan kondisi yg ga enak akhir2 ini... the key is on Q1 - H1 report, kalo fine2 ajah.. yah sikat ajalahh... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Mo_Cuan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ruar biasa kang ocoy. thanks atas pencerahannya. eniwe kalo modenya investor mah kudu modal kuat. soalnya horison timingnya long term. retail mah trading aja kale. soalnya butuh menggandakan capital-nya dalam waktu singkat. kalo boleh di share, stock pick kang ocoy untuk mid cap stock taon 2008 dong dari valuation analysis-nya. saya suka mid-cap soalnya yang tengah-2 itu kan lebih asyikhehehe +++ mo cuan belajar FA dari kang ocoy +++ --- kang_ocoy_maen_saham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: huai to all bro sis.. met taon baru dulu ah.. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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kang ocoy, biasanya berapa lama sih waktu yg diperlukan utk melakukan proper valuation or fundamental analysis sperti yang dilakukan kang ocoy? 1 day? 1 week? trus dikerjain sendiri ato rame rame (team work)? soalnya koq saya ngeliatnya kalo untuk individual investor (retailer), kerjaan tersebut lumayan berat yah? ato ini hanya perkiraan saya saja yang salah? ato it's a matter of habit (bisa karena biasa)? kalo it takes weeks to analyze, resikonya bisa ketinggalan kereta yah? btw, thanks buat posting awal taon yg enlightening ini... best, /satria On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:25 AM, kang_ocoy_maen_saham wrote: huai to all bro sis.. met taon baru dulu ah.. kangen jg euy.. akhir taun kmaren was really hectic, massive portfolio rebalance dizzy end-year job.. makanya ambil liburannya duluan en balik k jakartanya malah entaran... tp skrg dah balik lg ke bursa tercinta... a tough year this year yah kayanya... beuhh 900 400 million dollar... bagi dikit aja tuhh bisa ga kerja lagi en tinggal foya2 keliling dunia ajahh... hehe.. ckkckk bandar OB kuat2 benerr yehh... gimana prospek tahun ini guys??.. as usual im idiot if its bout timing or sentiment or bandarmology, hence i rely on u guys to comprehend me of such stuffs... but from my point of view, for better or worse this year remains opportunity for us all... nowadays its a range-bound market rather than bull or bear... looking how the season starts, this year may be a bargain hunting season yahh... saya selalu melihat harga dan market lebih condong ke pandangan valuasi drpd harga... what make market's market is kinda 2 thing... 1. PE Rating Level (Is it Contracting or Expanding) 2. Revenue / Income Growth this is how it works ; what justified a market level is the 2 things above what do the level 2400 means to u?? or even 3000?? or might be 2000?? whether the answer is cheap or fair or expensive is subject of timing (1st point) and fundamental (2nd point) PE Rating is moving as the way economy industry is going, Sometimes on 1-2 to 5 consecutive year its EXPANDING (tahun 1 di rating 12 trus 14 trus naek hingga 18) or sometimes it starts contracting on 1-2 year (settling down) or even shrinking by consecutive 3-5 year (depression)... on economy growing time the PE Rating is expected to be expanding (if the economy and bussiness is good and next 2-3 years everything is remain safe and sound, then likely if the PE rating of today is 14 or so we could expect next year that it would grow to 15 or 16 - everything remain unchanged/ceteris paribus) that happen to our market 2004 to half 2007, our PE rating keep expanding.. on economy slowing down phase (biasanya sehabis puncak pertumbuhan) either its settle at current level or it shrinking down to offset the late too rapid expansion of the usual peak time period... the overvalued is settling down to be fairly-valued, sometime if the economy is depressing it goes furtherly down to undervalued mode... nah, the E of PE Rating is subject to Fundamental or Internal Strength of the bussiness economy... the Justifying PE Rating is often based on E Growth level... if the overall market E is growing 25% u would expect the rating is growing at about that amount if the growth is likely to last. jadi contohnya begini; MISALNYA BURSA X : mARKET BERADA DI LEVEL 2000 DI tahun 2004 itu PE Ratingnya 12 nah economy is good dan taun depannya indeks 2500, people would say its insane (level harga segitu) but dengan kenaikan 25% YOY ternyata PE ratingnya hanya naik dr 12 ke 14.. nah it would be just normal considering the high growth of the E.. if the growth rate of E is lasting and economy is fine we would expect the index level to mount to even higher PE rating. it means the PE Rating of the economy is on the expansion mode (keep on going up), biasanya ini kejadian berturut2 3-5 tahun selama ekonomi okay2 sajah (thats why china was valued at those rating lately) tp every good thing must come to an end , nah kadang ketika waktunya kontraksi (natural phase on economic cycle), it goes down dan kadang diperparah turunnya dengan turunnya E dr si overall market tadi nah kadang PE Rating ini juga sifatnya relatif alias liat2an sama index tetangga juga... rating yg edan sometime dijustifikasi krn si tetangga lebih edan lagi.. a rather silly thinking sih sebenernya... so, now our index is 2700 level.. is it on the way to keep expanding or start contracting?? is it cheap or expensive by fundamental basis??.. wah itu mah selera personal aja yah.. hehe... but nevertheless.., we all know that economy goes in cycle, never were more than a decade economy is declining... after the darkness the light will catching up.. so here goes my idea, if its the darkness that gonna come.. dont waste it, pick the one that gonna lite up even on the darkest time... gimana milihnya?? haha, being a value-investing wannabe player.. mungkin ini waktu yg sudah saya tunggu2 untuk menswitch sejenak mode valuasi growth ke mode
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tergantung kualitas laporannya pak... kalo modelling processnya mingkin 1 hari dikerjain sendiri jg bisa... biasanya yg lama / ribet sih bikin proyeksi financial performancenya pak... biasanya yg dibutuhin buat input model itu mau ga mau mesti buat projection income statement, projection balance sheet sama projection free cashflow nya... standarnya analisa laporan keuangan / valuasi sih biasanya cuman ngelanjutin laporan keuangan versi audit tahun ini dan terus bikin proyeksi laporan keuangan ke depan sesuai asumsi2 perkembangan dan tren perusahaan ke depan.. nah cuman analis yg lebih ahli / nguasain proses auditing biasanya nguji lagi quality of report dr laporan audit tersebut.. saya sih biasanya cuman ngelanjutin dr laporan keuangan audit aja.. tp ada jg temen analis yg punya background akunting jg yg kadang2 suka saya minta bantuannya... kalo mo cepet en gampang sebenernya tinggal pake angka proyeksi konsensus analis2... trus dibuat CAGRnya tahun2 ke depan, ato sekalian ambil report dr analis2 yg kita tau punya integritas (analis yg biasanya presisi dan jujur) trus kita pake angka2 proyeksinya.. tinggal kita masukkin pake model yg kita pengen pake, ato malah modelnya sama ama yg di konsensus/analis cuman discount factor, market premium, sama terminal growth ratenya aja yg kita rubah sesuai preferensi sendiri.. kalo cuman ganti model mungkin setengah hari jg beres, apalagi kalo cuman ganti variabel input modelnya... paling sejam-dua jam jg beres... proses plg ribet (tp plg krusial) ya di proyeksi laporan keuangan aja... saya ga mungkin bilang ini pekerjaan gampang, saya jg masih belajar.. but i think its worth to do.. it makes a real different ketika kita membuat valuasi sendiri ketika menentukan keputusan investasi... lagian buat saya yg ga bisa nebak market timing, this investing style methodis suits me more, its like batting for a perfect ball without called strike, simply wait for the perfect ball.. dan perfect ball is defined by good valuation itu tadi... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Satria P. Winata Jap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kang ocoy, biasanya berapa lama sih waktu yg diperlukan utk melakukan proper valuation or fundamental analysis sperti yang dilakukan kang ocoy? 1 day? 1 week? trus dikerjain sendiri ato rame rame (team work)? soalnya koq saya ngeliatnya kalo untuk individual investor (retailer), kerjaan tersebut lumayan berat yah? ato ini hanya perkiraan saya saja yang salah? ato it's a matter of habit (bisa karena biasa)? kalo it takes weeks to analyze, resikonya bisa ketinggalan kereta yah? btw, thanks buat posting awal taon yg enlightening ini... best, /satria On Jan 3, 2008, at 11:25 AM, kang_ocoy_maen_saham wrote: huai to all bro sis.. met taon baru dulu ah.. kangen jg euy.. akhir taun kmaren was really hectic, massive portfolio rebalance dizzy end-year job.. makanya ambil liburannya duluan en balik k jakartanya malah entaran... tp skrg dah balik lg ke bursa tercinta... a tough year this year yah kayanya... beuhh 900 400 million dollar... bagi dikit aja tuhh bisa ga kerja lagi en tinggal foya2 keliling dunia ajahh... hehe.. ckkckk bandar OB kuat2 benerr yehh... gimana prospek tahun ini guys??.. as usual im idiot if its bout timing or sentiment or bandarmology, hence i rely on u guys to comprehend me of such stuffs... but from my point of view, for better or worse this year remains opportunity for us all... nowadays its a range-bound market rather than bull or bear... looking how the season starts, this year may be a bargain hunting season yahh... saya selalu melihat harga dan market lebih condong ke pandangan valuasi drpd harga... what make market's market is kinda 2 thing... 1. PE Rating Level (Is it Contracting or Expanding) 2. Revenue / Income Growth this is how it works ; what justified a market level is the 2 things above what do the level 2400 means to u?? or even 3000?? or might be 2000?? whether the answer is cheap or fair or expensive is subject of timing (1st point) and fundamental (2nd point) PE Rating is moving as the way economy industry is going, Sometimes on 1-2 to 5 consecutive year its EXPANDING (tahun 1 di rating 12 trus 14 trus naek hingga 18) or sometimes it starts contracting on 1-2 year (settling down) or even shrinking by consecutive 3-5 year (depression)... on economy growing time the PE Rating is expected to be expanding (if the economy and bussiness is good and next 2-3 years everything is remain safe and sound, then likely if the PE rating of today is 14 or so we could expect next year that it would grow to 15 or 16 - everything remain unchanged/ceteris paribus) that happen to our market 2004 to half 2007, our PE rating keep expanding.. on economy slowing down phase (biasanya sehabis puncak pertumbuhan) either its settle at current level or it shrinking down to offset the late too rapid expansion
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i think what she(or he) said is a no-brainer.. things that went up, will go down and vice versa she(or he) said being no#2 after China seems ABNORMAL. so i think EL is a conservative type of trader (or investor) whether you accept teh news or not, that depends on your personal type again, which is also as no-brainer.. so trade safe, as always.. salam mrA --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, james rajasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Old trick, Elaine comes with bad news, IHSG may go down but it will not be anything like nuke, new years firecrackers at best. ELAINE = Diversion, Watch major rebound from sleeping stocks like Antm Just a thought. JRA On 12/31/07, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have to prove anything, right? And don't challenge me. Any smart investor here would know that IHSG performance lately is very ABNORMAL. Out of sync. The biggest cap in BEI is downed *-20%* from its highest. Once called the safest stock, this DEFENSIVE one I'm talking about here is not playing defense anymore. Once the defense is breached, things will get ugly. Other defensive stocks WILL follow. Thanks to new IPOs and BUMI/ANTM race, the IHSG is saved until the closing bell of 2007. It has NEVER been like this before, so you might not be prepared. If there weren't any race, IHSG would be 2400,.. or worse. Now, I want answers from you. WHICH stock/sector *would defend *the IHSG? Can we count on mining (again?), cpo? utility? property? banks? My answer is NO. Not yet. Btw, I create statements. YOU are the one who were overreacting. :) If you believe in your stocks, *hold'em tight*, or you may want to stay away. Whether you want to hold or sell, it's not my business. I am not evil. I don't like bears either, but I'd be the first to warn. You'll be glad if I am around, than hearing sweet lies... *EL **Thanks Embah for allowing me to be here again.** *
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mana bom cpo na ?? barang bagus mau dibom ya susyahhh hehehe --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, boyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Elaine, How do you do? i hope your rejoin will make another color to this group, again, and off course, this year i hope with more calm temper :-D . hehehe ... and how about your challenge of naked pics ? i quote from your post, *I'll give you my nude pic if JCI does NOT go down below 2400 in the next 3 months.* or you can see in this link to remind http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/42287 hehehe ... sorry, i don't mean to offend. i got the pictures anyway. i just curious. perhaps you can share your projection of market in this year. Toodle, Elaine wrote: I don't have to prove anything, right? And don't challenge me. Any smart investor here would know that IHSG performance lately is very ABNORMAL. Out of sync. The biggest cap in BEI is downed * -20%* from its highest. Once called the safest stock, this DEFENSIVE one I'm talking about here is not playing defense anymore. Once the defense is breached, things will get ugly. Other defensive stocks WILL follow. Thanks to new IPOs and BUMI/ANTM race, the IHSG is saved until the closing bell of 2007. It has NEVER been like this before, so you might not be prepared. If there weren't any race, IHSG would be 2400,.. or worse. Now, I want answers from you. WHICH stock/sector *would defend *the IHSG? Can we count on mining (again?), cpo? utility? property? banks? My answer is NO. Not yet. Btw, I create statements. YOU are the one who were overreacting. :) If you believe in your stocks, *hold'em tight*, or you may want to stay away. Whether you want to hold or sell, it's not my business. I am not evil. I don't like bears either, but I'd be the first to warn. You'll be glad if I am around, than hearing sweet lies... *EL */Thanks Embah for allowing me to be here again./
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Hi... dear OB, baru 2 hari pulang dr tugas... Met Tahun baru 2008, moga2 gain semua. NB : Miss Elaine Nuke masuk juga yah Sip lah
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How big is your Nuke Miss EL ??? I think your statement is overreacting (with smile). Off course Energy + CPO sector may drop up to 25% in first semester 2008, but that still not nuke from my point of view.. if you not believe with my statement, try to calculate your portfolio profit / growth from both of this sector (I believe more than 120%).. isn't it amazing ???. So 25% fall for Energy + CPO is not nuke at all.. Please dech ah, give us a definition from NUKE too:-). BTW, nice to have you on this milis.. Thanks for your braveness to be different. Happy New Year JV and Fam http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/53005;_ylc=X3oDMTJyNnQ 2N2dtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2NTIzNTUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDAxNzc5BG1zZ0lkAzU zMDA1BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzExOTg5NDMzODU- Re: It's me again.. Posted by: Bandar Sedang mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:03 am (PST) If you look back on the beginning of 2007. yes, it happened.now, will the history repeat itself ? we'll see.i bet it will happen as one of the bozz agenda.. BUT...if you guys together fight backthe bozz might think twice - Original Message - From: Elaine To: mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] It's me again.. Nobody likes bad news, but energy/cpo sector will be nuked in early 2008. It will be one hell of a shocker.. haha. One of the many examples of planned crash. The plan is to make another entry point. (But if you're smart, you can get a really good bargain price, again) EL On Dec 29, 2007 7:22 AM, abdulrahim abdulrahim mailto:abdul.rahman.rahim%40gmail.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Elaine. Everybody now you are still around. Happy new year. Do not hesitate to tell us about bozz' agenda from time to time. On Dec 28, 2007 12:27 PM, Elaine mailto:orkaybgt%40gmail.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy new year 2008 EL
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Hi Elaine.. any BAD news ? :) just to balance everything.. salam mrA --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy new year 2008 EL
