date:20120513

2012/5/11 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com:
 On 5/11/12 1:43 PM, Paolo Pozzan wrote:

 2012/5/11 Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com:

 Hi,

 I propose the following tasks for 3.4.1

 Integrate updated translation
 - Finnish - https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119329
 - British English - https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119330


 If it is not too time consuming please do it also for italian, taking
 the files from pootle. We made some small fixes after the 3.4
 integration.


 yes, will include it.

 In general for other potential updates, simply create an issue similar to
 119330 and describe where to find the updates. Either in pootle or via po
 files directly.

 See https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119333

 Thanks

 Juergen

The Spanish translation on Pootle was updated, fixing several typos
and other problems like a couple of keyboard accelerators. I created
this issue

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119343

but I do not have enough rights on issuezilla to assign it to you.

Volunteers on the es forums are testing the program, so it is possible
that new corrections will be added on following days.

Regards
Ricardo

Link to RSS or Atom update feed

2012-05-13 Thread Alexander Thurgood

Hi all,

Is there anywhere I can find a link to an RSS or Atom update feed ? I
want to include a link to announcements made about AOOo releases. I
tried looking around the website, but I didn't seem to be able to find
anything immediately obvious.

Any pointers gratefully received.

Alex

Re: Update release notes ( was: About the new spreadsheet functions )


On 12/05/2012 drew wrote:

On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:15 -0400, drew wrote:

On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 14:53 +0200, RGB ES wrote:

The release notes mention ODF Spreadsheet supports new Conditional
Functions: COUNTIFS, SUMIFS, AVERAGEIF and AVERAGEIF.


the release notes
http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/3.4.0.html
should be updated, removing the section on these functions, yes?
Will, wait an hour or so for anyone to comment, otherwise I'll go do
that.


Thanks, Italian version (on OOOUSERS cwiki) updated too.

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [4.0 brainstorming] Making Page Breaks more visible

2012-05-13 Thread Torokhov Sergey

On Sunday 13 of May 2012 01:26:41 Torokhov Sergey wrote:
 
 What about the same actions for Line Break and Column Break preferencies?
 
 --
 Regards

Sorry, LineBreak seems no need such complicated behaviour as it is now 
dispaying as nonprintable character that can be easily seen.

But what about position of ColumnBreak indication and menu 
as an example in case of three columns 
with it's Breaks before second and third columns?

Re: Link to RSS or Atom update feed

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Alexander Thurgood
alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 Is there anywhere I can find a link to an RSS or Atom update feed ? I
 want to include a link to announcements made about AOOo releases. I
 tried looking around the website, but I didn't seem to be able to find
 anything immediately obvious.


Hi Alex,

Our project blog is here:

http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/

Atom feed is:

https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/feed/entries/atom

Generally, important announcements will be made one the blog, as well
as via the ooo-announce mailing list.  But due to technical issues we
did not use the blog for the AOO 3.4 announcement.

-Rob

 Any pointers gratefully received.

 Alex

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1] propose following tasks for updating the translation

Hi Ricardo,

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 02:10:16PM +0200, RGB ES wrote:
  In general for other potential updates, simply create an issue similar to
  119330 and describe where to find the updates. Either in pootle or via po
  files directly.
 
  See https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119333
 
  Thanks
 
  Juergen
 
 The Spanish translation on Pootle was updated, fixing several typos
 and other problems like a couple of keyboard accelerators. I created
 this issue
 
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119343
 
 but I do not have enough rights on issuezilla to assign it to you.

I did it. You should ask for those rights (I'm not sure how it's done,
if you send a mail here, open a bug, or now that there is a qa mailing
list send a mail there).


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [Heads up][code] Apache Lucene updated to version 2.9.4

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi Ariel;

 On 05/12/12 16:10, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

 Hi Pedro,
 ...

 IMO when updating external dependencies, the tests should not only include
 the fact that it can be built on all the platforms we support, but
 mainly regressions tests that test if the functionality of the code that
 dependes on these external dependencies is still working.

 The steps would be:

 1. make sure it builds
 2. identify the code that depends on the dependency
 3. test that the functionality still works.

 This is valid also for the apache commons update you did recently.


 With Java code there are always two particular things:
 1) In theory Java code is platform independent, so even though
 I can't test every platform, having it work in UNIX is a really
 good sign.
 2) One might think the usual if it ain't broken don't fix it
 philosophy will keep things stable ... but it doesn't: even if we
 would like to keep the actual working code set in stone, the
 Java VM does get updated and previously working code stops
 working or doesn't even build anymore.

 Andrew Rist reported a broken case of a linux buildbot with
 openjdk7, and he requested the Apache commons update.

 Indeed, as you are aware, I am not perfect and you were hit
 with many of my early commits that caused breakage (even
 when I had all of them reviewed by someone else that knew
 the code better than me).


Whew!  I thought I was the only non-perfect person here ;-)

But seriously, no large development effort can ever rely on perfect
(or near-perfect) developers.  That approach doesn't scale.   We need
to rely on an overall process that can efficiently find errors, and
find them early.

So I wonder, in cases like this, where we're upgrading a library that
might cause functional regressions, whether we should do something
like this:

1) Open a BZ issue for the task, e.g., upgrading a particular library.

2) In the issue, describe the general functionality that may be
effected by the library upgrade

3) This then gives the QA volunteers a head's up that they should do
some deeper testing in this area.  (They probably don't read every
message on ooo-commits)

4) It also gives us a place where we can look for producing release
notes for 3.5.

Does this make sense?

-Rob


 To respond your points, which are perfectly reasonable, in the
 case of these last two big changes:

 1) The code builds on FreeBSD-amd64, which is my dev. platform.
 2) The code has been in use for a while on FreeBSD and/or Debian
 Linux for a while. I was very careful to choose only compatible
 updates.
 3) I did my best to check the specific functionality that may be
 affected: it is unlikely I can catch all the use-cases but doing
 such changes early in development will help detect any
 remaining issue.

 This said, we are reaching a level where updating this low-hanging
 fruit is not becoming viable anymore. Updating commons-lang to
 version 3.1 or Lucene to 3.5 would involve a *lot* of work but I
 guess it will get done when it's mandatory to use Java5+.

 I know my limitations and I can't really help beyond the updates
 I am doing but I am sure this is pretty useful for now.

 Pedro.

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1] propose following tasks for updating the translation

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
arie...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi Ricardo,

 On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 02:10:16PM +0200, RGB ES wrote:
  In general for other potential updates, simply create an issue similar to
  119330 and describe where to find the updates. Either in pootle or via po
  files directly.
 
  See https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119333
 
  Thanks
 
  Juergen

 The Spanish translation on Pootle was updated, fixing several typos
 and other problems like a couple of keyboard accelerators. I created
 this issue

 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119343

 but I do not have enough rights on issuezilla to assign it to you.

 I did it. You should ask for those rights (I'm not sure how it's done,
 if you send a mail here, open a bug, or now that there is a qa mailing
 list send a mail there).


If you change your BZ email address to be your apache.org email
address you will have additional permissions.  This applies to all
committers.

-Rob



 Regards
 --
 Ariel Constenla-Haile
 La Plata, Argentina

Re: [Heads up][code] Apache Lucene updated to version 2.9.4

Hi Pedro,

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 08:24:00PM -0500, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
 To respond your points, which are perfectly reasonable, in the
 case of these last two big changes:
 
 1) The code builds on FreeBSD-amd64, which is my dev. platform.
 2) The code has been in use for a while on FreeBSD and/or Debian
 Linux for a while. I was very careful to choose only compatible
 updates.
 3) I did my best to check the specific functionality that may be
 affected: it is unlikely I can catch all the use-cases but doing
 such changes early in development will help detect any
 remaining issue.

We have QA experts here ;) The idea behind my mail was: identify where
the libraries you are updating is used, then ask the QA people if they
can perform some tests (or ask here in the list for testing volunteers).
For people to test functionality, you must tell them first where/what to
test.

For example, with apache commons, I have no idea where this can be used,
opengrok suggests in the Report Builder (we don't build it anymore) and
the Wiki Publisher (this extension is not installed by default with the
office, and AFAIK we didn't upload a new version on the extensions
repository). 

In conclusion, for the third step, we should identify where the code is
used, ask for QA volunteers telling them what to test.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [Heads up][code] Apache Lucene updated to version 2.9.4

Hi Rob, Pedro,

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 09:57:55AM -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
  Hi Ariel;
 
  On 05/12/12 16:10, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
 
  Hi Pedro,
  ...
 
  IMO when updating external dependencies, the tests should not only include
  the fact that it can be built on all the platforms we support, but
  mainly regressions tests that test if the functionality of the code that
  dependes on these external dependencies is still working.
 
  The steps would be:
 
  1. make sure it builds
  2. identify the code that depends on the dependency
  3. test that the functionality still works.
 
  This is valid also for the apache commons update you did recently.
 
 
  With Java code there are always two particular things:
  1) In theory Java code is platform independent, so even though
  I can't test every platform, having it work in UNIX is a really
  good sign.
  2) One might think the usual if it ain't broken don't fix it
  philosophy will keep things stable ... but it doesn't: even if we
  would like to keep the actual working code set in stone, the
  Java VM does get updated and previously working code stops
  working or doesn't even build anymore.
 
  Andrew Rist reported a broken case of a linux buildbot with
  openjdk7, and he requested the Apache commons update.
 
  Indeed, as you are aware, I am not perfect and you were hit
  with many of my early commits that caused breakage (even
  when I had all of them reviewed by someone else that knew
  the code better than me).
 
 
 Whew!  I thought I was the only non-perfect person here ;-)
 
 But seriously, no large development effort can ever rely on perfect
 (or near-perfect) developers.  That approach doesn't scale.   We need
 to rely on an overall process that can efficiently find errors, and
 find them early.
 
 So I wonder, in cases like this, where we're upgrading a library that
 might cause functional regressions, whether we should do something
 like this:
 
 1) Open a BZ issue for the task, e.g., upgrading a particular library.
 
 2) In the issue, describe the general functionality that may be
 effected by the library upgrade
 
 3) This then gives the QA volunteers a head's up that they should do
 some deeper testing in this area.  (They probably don't read every
 message on ooo-commits)
 
 4) It also gives us a place where we can look for producing release
 notes for 3.5.
 
 Does this make sense?

You expressed it more clearly than me :)


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [WWW] Common layout and content for NL sites (was: Some issues translating download/index.html)


On 10/05/2012 Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

It has been discussed on the list several times before the idea of
having a common set of pages in all NL sites, but the discussion didn't
have a conclusion. Now that AOO 3.4 is out, one can browse the NL sites


I'd say it's OK to standardize when a certain NL section is not being 
maintained or is easier to redo it from scratch; but I would also give 
actively maintained NL sections the possibility to differ from the 
standard template, while maybe keeping some basic consistence (at least 
using NL/download/ for downloads).


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1] propose following tasks for updating the translation

2012-05-13 Thread Shenfeng Liu

I wonder if Lily can help to create a query, with the condition
3.4.1_release_blocker = ? or +. And we can post this query on 3.4.1 wiki.
So that we will not miss any item. And Juergen can enjoy his vacation
without worrying too much about missing in the mail thread. :)

- Simon

2012/5/11 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com

 Hi,

 I propose the following tasks for 3.4.1

 Integrate updated translation
 - Finnish - 
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119329https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119329
 - British English - 
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119330https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119330


 Juergen

[PROPOSAL] Get it here community download promotion program

We get regular requests from individuals and companies that want to
add a link to the AOO download, and to use the logo with it. These
range from websites of individual users, to websites that aggregate
download links for many open source projects.

Currently, requesting and receiving such permission requires a request
to the PMC, approval and then additional approval by the Apache VP
Branding.

I'd like to propose a streamlined approach where we can give blanket
permission, without an additional request, for using a specific logo
(the one that Drew designed) for a specific download situation. If
there are no objections from the PMC, and we get a +1 from
Trademarks@, I'll write this up on the website.

=Use of the Apache OpenOffice Download Promotion Logo=

Anyone, without additional permission from this project, may use the
following logo subject to the following conditions:

The logo:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/get-aoo-300x100-cf.png?version=1modificationDate=1331970198000

[NB. We should move this to a more memorable location]

Conditions:

1. The logo may not be modified except to resize it. If translations
of the Get it here! text are required, send a request to the ooo-dev
list and we can provide a translated version for you.

2. The image must be linked to one of:

a) the http://www.openoffice.org webpage
b) one of the official Native Language pages at openoffice.org, e.g.,
http://de.openoffice.org
c) the download page for Apache OpenOffice:
http://download.openoffice.org or
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html

3. The logo must not link to a specific download file or mirror. This
causes problems with load balancing and fallbacks and may prevent
users from getting the latest version of OpenOffice.

4. Any use Apache-owned logos beyond the above is not covered by this
program an must be explicitly requested from the ASF.

Re: Can you please send less emails...

2012-05-13 Thread Shenfeng Liu

Juergen,
  Hope you can enjoy your vacation!
  I just proposed to create a query for 3.4.1, and post the contents in
wiki. So that we can help to consolidate the information and track the
status of 3.4.1. So that you don't need to miss so much about the hundreds
emails... :D

- Simon

2012/5/12 Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com

 Have fun on vacation.
 I will personally send 3.7 fewer emails.

 Wolf

 http://evergreen-community-01.lyrasistechnology.org
 http://sourcefreedom.com
 Apache developer:
 wolfhal...@apache.org
  On May 11, 2012 3:50 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:

 
  On May 11, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Juergen Schmidt wrote:
 
   ... the next 2 weeks. I will take a break and will go on vacation for 2
  weeks. It would be nice if I would not become overloaded with hundreds of
  emails when I  am back ;-)
 
  I know how you feel about the email when I am away for just a few days it
  becomes hard to reply to the threads I want to follow.
 
   Ok I  am joking a little bit and will probably read mails from time to
  time but don't wonder if I don't reply so fast as usual.
  
   Translators  feel free to send me emails and issues I will take care of
  your requests asap.
 
  When you get back let's find others who will also do what you do with the
  translations.
 
  Enjoy your vacation!
 
  Regards,
  Dave
 
 
 
  
   Juergen

Re: Can you please send less emails...

2012-05-13 Thread Ross Gardler

Here's a trick I use. Set up a filter for your name and have it mark such
mails as important. Then adopt a practice of using peoples names when you
specifically want them to comment, e.g. I'd like to know what Foo has
planned before we move on that. Others will follow suit.

When you come back you can skim subjects fairly quickly, safe in the
knowledge that if your opinion is needed for some reason the mail will have
been flagged.

Ross

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On May 11, 2012 8:45 PM, Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com
wrote:

 ... the next 2 weeks. I will take a break and will go on vacation for 2
 weeks. It would be nice if I would not become overloaded with hundreds of
 emails when I  am back ;-)

 Ok I  am joking a little bit and will probably read mails from time to
 time but don't wonder if I don't reply so fast as usual.

 Translators  feel free to send me emails and issues I will take care of
 your requests asap.

 Juergen

Re: Apache OpenOffice Presentation Template

2012-05-13 Thread Shenfeng Liu

I updated the template by adding one more keyword business.

I also forwarded to ooo-dev, hoping to get more feedback on the template
(before I make more templates with repeated mistakes inside them...).

One question is that, the upload check forced the template to point to the
license page http://templates.services.openoffice.org/bsd-license. I wonder
if any one can help to confirm if it is still correct?

Thanks very much!

- Simon



2012/5/9 Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com

 Hi, all,
   I just uploaded a presentation template with Apache OpenOffice logo,
 which I think can be used for AOO promotion events. Please try it:

 http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/node/8499

   The story is that I saw some one asked for templates previously ( I can
 not find the mail now unfortunately...). So I talked to Xin Li and Yun Chao
 Xu -- their are UX experts. They designed some background pictures and
 layouts. Then I implemented one of the design and uploaded it to try the
 publish process and hope to get feedback.
   I'm not a professional template designer, so there are still some
 problems in the template that I can not resolve. So please try it and give
 me your feedback or tell me if any problem.
   Thanks!

 - Simon

Re: Download stats script (in progress)

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote:
 On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:

 SourceForge has a nice REST API to query for download stats and return
 them in JSON objections.  Unfortunately, our directory structure for
 AOO 3.4 is rather odd, with English downloads in one place,
 translations in another directory, and mixing hashes, installs and
 languages packs altogether.  So getting these stats is a little
 painful.  You can't just get the numbers of a single directory and be
 done.  It is more complicated than that.

 Also, the SF API seems to be rate limited, or at least I'm getting
 errors if I query it too much.  That's understandable.


 Rob, can provide me with more info about this, so that we can investigate
 it further?


Hi Roberto,

At the python level the error is on a urllib.urlopen().read(), with an
returned error of:

IOError: [Errno socket error] [Errno 10054] An existing connection
was forcibly closed by the remote host

I find that this happens when I make many ( 50) requests in a short
period of time (1 or 2 minutes).  My solution right now is to maintain
a local disk cache of prior returned results.  Not only does this
reduce the number of requests I send SF, but it also improves the
speed of the report generation.

In any case, I'm happy with the caching solution, so this is not a
blocking issue for me right now.

-Rob

 We plan to share some stats figures next week, as we did previously for
 Extensions and Templates.


 Thanks,

 Roberto



 So I'm coding a simple download stats app, in python, that will
 collect together all the relevant stats and produce reports.  It
 caches on disk JSON objects that have already been retrieved, which
 eliminates the throttling issues as well as greatly improves
 performance.

 Not quite done, but I'll check it in (where?) when it is fully
 debugged and validated.  My goal is to have solid numbers for the one
 week mark next Tuesday.  And from what I'm seeing so far, the numbers
 will be amazing.

 But two quick questions to help me finish this:

 1) Historically, what did OOo report as downloads?  Was this just a
 count of full installs?  Or language packs as well?

 2) It is easy to produce downloads by language and platform, since our
 installs are already defined that way.  But I can also report
 per-country.  Is that interesting to anyone?   For example, in Canada,
 the most popular downloads are X, Y, Z.


 -Rob


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Re: [PROPOSAL] Get it here community download promotion program

2012-05-13 Thread Nancy K

Hi all,

Is there an alt description that can be added to the image link?  Search 
engines aren't smart enough to 'read' a picture/image - so the text within the 
picture makes no difference to the ranking - that is where the 'alt' 
description in the image source (src) comes in to play. This also allows 
OpenOffice to place the kind of information they want the search engines to 
rank all within the link - which adds to SEO trust.
img src= 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/get-aoo-300x100-cf.png?version=1modificationDate=1331970198000 ;
 width=300 height=100alt=Free complete Open Office official download site 
/ (The words you use are BEST after a keyword research - after that Google 
analytics takes place for awhile - I just placed a suggestion here). 

When a search engine sees alt descriptions such as 'get itfree' or 'try it 
free' (the current MS download trial button alt words) - they are missing out 
on the benefits of added SEO.  The search engines that read 'try openoffice 
now' where openoffice replaces 'it' are small but important ways to add to seo 
page ranking. You can write 'get it here' on the website, just code the img 
src= alt=something that says openoffice



I checked some of the back links to openoffice.org by typing the following into 
the Google Search box.  Taking the links should send you to the page that 
includes a link to openoffice.org(using openoffice.org here - but any page you 
want to check works).  The page has some options listed on the left - but the 
filter doesn't seem as good as the one you get in Google Analytics


link:openoffice.org



 
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 From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
Cc: tradema...@apache.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:45 AM
Subject: [PROPOSAL] Get it here community download promotion program
 
We get regular requests from individuals and companies that want to
add a link to the AOO download, and to use the logo with it.  These
range from websites of individual users, to websites that aggregate
download links for many open source projects.

Currently, requesting and receiving such permission requires a request
to the PMC, approval and then additional approval by the Apache VP
Branding.

I'd like to propose a streamlined approach where we can give blanket
permission, without an additional request, for using a specific logo
(the one that Drew designed) for a specific download situation.  If
there are no objections from the PMC, and we get a +1 from
Trademarks@, I'll write this up on the website.

=Use of the Apache OpenOffice Download Promotion Logo=

Anyone, without additional permission from this project, may use the
following logo subject to the following conditions:

The logo:  
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/get-aoo-300x100-cf.png?version=1modificationDate=1331970198000

[NB. We should move this to a more memorable location]

Conditions:

1. The logo may not be modified except to resize it.  If translations
of the Get it here! text are required, send a request to the ooo-dev
list and we can provide a translated version for you.

2. The image must be linked to one of:

a) the http://www.openoffice.org webpage
b) one of the official Native Language pages at openoffice.org, e.g.,
http://de.openoffice.org
c) the download page for Apache OpenOffice:
http://download.openoffice.org or
http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html

3. The logo must not link to a specific download file or mirror.  This
causes problems with load balancing and fallbacks and may prevent
users from getting the latest version of OpenOffice.

4. Any use Apache-owned logos beyond the above is not covered by this
program an must be explicitly requested from the ASF.

Re: [WWW] Common layout and content for NL sites (was: Some issues translating download/index.html)

2012-05-13 Thread Simon Brouwer


Hi Ariel,

Op 11-5-2012 13:25, Ariel Constenla-Haile schreef:


I wanted a left navigation div, like
http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/why-product-left-nav.png

It turns out it's not possible to do so without some hack:


What about the navigation menu on the right at 
http://www.openoffice.org/nl/ ?


Putting it on the left would be trivial.

--
Vriendelijke groet, Best regards,

Simon Brouwer

Re: [WWW] Common layout and content for NL sites (was: Some issues translating download/index.html)

Hi Andrea, *,

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 04:42:46PM +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
 On 10/05/2012 Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
 It has been discussed on the list several times before the idea of
 having a common set of pages in all NL sites, but the discussion didn't
 have a conclusion. Now that AOO 3.4 is out, one can browse the NL sites
 
 I'd say it's OK to standardize when a certain NL section is not
 being maintained or is easier to redo it from scratch; but I would
 also give actively maintained NL sections the possibility to differ
 from the standard template, while maybe keeping some basic
 consistence (at least using NL/download/ for downloads).

In this case, for the Spanish site, I've created
http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/index.html which is almost like
http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html In this example, the
standard template can be designed to make all pages alike while allowing
for customization (in the Additional Information, for example), just
like it's currently done with topnav.mdtext (where you can remove/add
items, make them link to the page you want).

There are many issues with the current state of things, the two most
important I found are:

* waste of resources: several people designing/maintaining/updating
  different NL sites

* difficult for the PPMC to control NL site content (and control
  internal disputes).

With a common set of pages (allowing for customization of these pages,
and also custom pages) I can think of a work-flow similar to:

* marketing people discuss general design and content
* documentation writers write the content
* web developers/designers implement the design
* translators translate the content

The current waste of resources is that all these tasks are currently
done for the main site *and* the (maintained) NL sites. Just to quote
the Spanish site example:

It had so many outdated and Apache-way-dubious content that it was
better to re-design the whole site; we took the content from the main
site and adapted it, then translate it. Adapting took me a month of
the time I dedicate to AOO in order to set up the Complete Local
Development (I first tried the CMS, but was not suitable for the task),
learn how to set it up in my local http server, etc.; in short, an
unpleasant job, as I am not a web designer nor a web developer, and an
awful translator.

Translation was done by the guys at the Spanish mailing lists, and here
again you can see the waste of resources and time in learning how to use
the CMS et. al., while it would have been simpler to have the strings to
translate in the Pootle server.

Concerning the PPMC control, we've all read the tone in the FR
dispute... It's not about freaking-PPMC-control.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1] propose following tasks for updating the translation

2012/5/13 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org:
 On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
 arie...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi Ricardo,

 On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 02:10:16PM +0200, RGB ES wrote:
  In general for other potential updates, simply create an issue similar to
  119330 and describe where to find the updates. Either in pootle or via po
  files directly.
 
  See https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119333
 
  Thanks
 
  Juergen

 The Spanish translation on Pootle was updated, fixing several typos
 and other problems like a couple of keyboard accelerators. I created
 this issue

 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119343

 but I do not have enough rights on issuezilla to assign it to you.

 I did it. You should ask for those rights (I'm not sure how it's done,
 if you send a mail here, open a bug, or now that there is a qa mailing
 list send a mail there).


 If you change your BZ email address to be your apache.org email
 address you will have additional permissions.  This applies to all
 committers.

 -Rob


Thanks, Rob, I'll change it.

Ricardo

Re: Feedback on the CMS

2012-05-13 Thread Kay Schenk




On 05/12/2012 08:49 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

While I don't quite grok what you are having issue with
regarding mdtext pages,  I can give you an example of how
to link to some named element within the current page:

 [Link text](#name)

where name is the id or name of the element you want
to link to.

More generally I've explained a few more of the UI design
elements just now at

 http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref#organization


Well I wasn't as clear as I could have been either. :/

When I use the CMS bookmarklet to edit one of the mdtext pages, I am 
presented with a very limited set of functions I can use vis a vis the 
toolbar presented to me. And the WMD link presented,

http://www.wmd-editor.com/,

doesn't seem to work -- I was going to use this to get to more information.

So thanks for the info you provided above. Because I couldn't get 
anywhere with the WMD link, I wasn't sure what to do. Maybe I put more 
thought into this then was needed, though...I guess i could have just 
entered markdown directly.





The CMS build scripts really don't need much explaining
as they don't actually contain very much rendering logic themselves,
all that information is in the per-project site's trunk/lib/path.pm
and trunk/lib/view.pm.


OK, well then, something that was suggested to me vis a vis using the 
build scripts to generate some dynamic elements in a page, might not 
work. This is a down the road project and something that would be nice 
for us but not absolutely needed now. I will get back on some options 
regarding this type of thing later. Higher priority items right now...





HTH


- Original Message -

From: Kay Schenkkay.sch...@gmail.com
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Feedback on the CMS

Hi Joe --

On 05/11/2012 11:18 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

  With 1100 builds so far the ooo-site CMS instance
  is only 350 builds behind www.apache.org as the
  most-used CMS tree so far.� I monitor the CMS logs
  daily to evaluate usage and this project publishes
  about as often as all our other projects combined,
  which really makes me wonder where we'd be here if
  the org had never created the CMS in the first place.


  The ooo-site is far and away the largest instance at
  over 9GB total.� The reason I'm writing here is to
  ask general questions about user satisfaction with
  the CMS:


WOW!



  1) Is there any aspect of the CMS that needs immediate
  �� improvement?


Oddly, the area I seem to have problems with in the current environment is the
editing of the mdtext files. I can't see to find, on the toolbar provided,
editing features such as adding a link name for local in-page links for example.
And I don't think I'm provided with direct access to mdtext from the CMS
(I could be wrong about this, but I didn't see a way), so that's my only
immediate suggestion.

I rarely use it for direct editing of www.openoffice.org, but it works great for
that too.



  2) Are you satisfied with the workflow, or are there areas
  �� that could stand improvement?


It's very good as far as I'm concerned. I've gotten into the habit
of checking the buildbot to ascertain buld completion to staging, but the
comments about notification BACK to the user would be a wonderful addition.



  3) Is there anything that should be done to encourage more
  �� users who are not committers to use the CMS to submit patches
  �� to the list?


Comments here about automatically submitting to BZ would be super!



  4) Are there any UI features you'd like to see implemented,
  �� either in the web interface or the publication script?


I can't think of any UI features right now except for the mdtext editing I
mentioned in 1).

But more information/instructions on items like where our build scripts are,
what can be done with them as for as additional customizations would be helpful.
Again, maybe this information is out there and I just haven't found it yet.



  Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer a few of these!


I think it goes without saying that Apache OpenOffice greatly appreciates the
effort infra has put into the CMS over the last few months to serve the
project's huge needs. Thank you!

-- 
MzK

Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out.
 -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette



--

MzK

Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
 And life has a funny way of helping you out
 Helping you out.
-- Ironic, Alanis Morissette

Re: [WWW] Common layout and content for NL sites (was: Some issues translating download/index.html)

Hi Simon,

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 05:47:01PM +0200, Simon Brouwer wrote:
 Hi Ariel,
 
 Op 11-5-2012 13:25, Ariel Constenla-Haile schreef:
 
 I wanted a left navigation div, like
 http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/why-product-left-nav.png
 
 It turns out it's not possible to do so without some hack:
 
 What about the navigation menu on the right at
 http://www.openoffice.org/nl/ ?
 
 Putting it on the left would be trivial.

It's nice, but it's part of a table design. I was thinking about
a general approach, using the new tools we have. You can see the example
in the API site: http://www.openoffice.org/api/ where the left navigator
DIV is simply a MardDown text file: simple to translate, no need to mess
up with HTML, etc.
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/api/leftnav.mdtext?revision=129view=markup

The issue here is that lib/view.pm only accepts a leftnav.mdtext for the
main site, or one of the subfolders, like conent/api, but not for more
internal subfolders like content/es/producto/


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Update release notes ( was: About the new spreadsheet functions )

2012-05-13 Thread Kay Schenk




On 05/12/2012 10:47 AM, drew jensen wrote:

On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 13:38 -0400, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:

Thanks.


On 2012-05-12, at 12:43 , drew wrote:


On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 10:15 -0400, drew wrote:

On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 14:53 +0200, RGB ES wrote:

The release notes mention ODF Spreadsheet supports new Conditional
Functions: COUNTIFS, SUMIFS, AVERAGEIF and AVERAGEIF.



snip





Well, checked the other functions against the ODF doc spec, it looks
like the release notes
http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/3.4.0.html

should be updated, removing the section on these functions, yes?

Will, wait an hour or so for anyone to comment, otherwise I'll go do
that.



Done.


Drew, thanks again. I also want to say that the release notes are very nicely 
written: informative, to the point. Nice.


They are - not sure who actually put them together but I'd like to say
tanks also.

//drew


The release notes were an import from the wiki --

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Release+Notes

If you look at the history, you will see that a number of folks 
contributed to this effort. A very good job indeed! :)


I tried to give them credit in the commit I did.






-louis


//drew











--

MzK

Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
 And life has a funny way of helping you out
 Helping you out.
-- Ironic, Alanis Morissette

Re: [PROPOSAL] Get it here community download promotion program

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Nancy K nancythirt...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi all,

Is there an alt description that can be added to the image link? Search
engines aren't smart enough to 'read' a picture/image - so the text within
the picture makes no difference to the ranking - that is where the 'alt'
description in the image source (src) comes in to play. This also allows
OpenOffice to place the kind of information they want the search engines to
rank all within the link - which adds to SEO trust.
img src=
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/get-aoo-300x100-cf.png?version=1modificationDate=1331970198000 ;
width=300 height=100alt=Free complete Open Office official download
site / (The words you use are BEST after a keyword research - after that
Google analytics takes place for awhile - I just placed a suggestion here).

Good point. alt text is good for accessibility as well. So we
should include some sample HTML that can be used for embedded this
into a webpage.

-Rob

When a search engine sees alt descriptions such as 'get itfree' or 'try it
free' (the current MS download trial button alt words) - they are missing out
on the benefits of added SEO. The search engines that read 'try openoffice
now' where openoffice replaces 'it' are small but important ways to add to
seo page ranking. You can write 'get it here' on the website, just code the
img src= alt=something that says openoffice

I checked some of the back links to openoffice.org by typing the following
into the Google Search box. Taking the links should send you to the page
that includes a link to openoffice.org(using openoffice.org here - but any
page you want to check works). The page has some options listed on the left
- but the filter doesn't seem as good as the one you get in Google Analytics

link:openoffice.org

Nancy Web Design
Free 24 hour pass to lynda.com.
Video courses on SEO, CMS,
Design and Software Courses

From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc: tradema...@apache.org
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:45 AM
Subject: [PROPOSAL] Get it here community download promotion program

Currently, requesting and receiving such permission requires a request
to the PMC, approval and then additional approval by the Apache VP
Branding.

=Use of the Apache OpenOffice Download Promotion Logo=

Anyone, without additional permission from this project, may use the
following logo subject to the following conditions:

The logo:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/get-aoo-300x100-cf.png?version=1modificationDate=1331970198000

[NB. We should move this to a more memorable location]

Conditions:

1. The logo may not be modified except to resize it. If translations
of the Get it here! text are required, send a request to the ooo-dev
list and we can provide a translated version for you.

2. The image must be linked to one of:

3. The logo must not link to a specific download file or mirror. This
causes problems with load balancing and fallbacks and may prevent
users from getting the latest version of OpenOffice.

4. Any use Apache-owned logos beyond the above is not covered by this
program an must be explicitly requested from the ASF.

Re: Unofficial OpenSolaris/SPARC 3.4 build

2012-05-13 Thread Edward


On 05/12/2012 03:46 AM, Nicolas Christener wrote:

At least our team tries to focus on the SPARC build for now.
But you can of course take a look at our build scripts which may help if
you want to build it for yourself:
http://adfinis-sygroup.ch/file-exchange-public/build-all_8475039.sh.txt
http://adfinis-sygroup.ch/file-exchange-public/env_8475039.sh.txt

kind regards
Nicolas Christener


Hi Nicolas:-)

Thank you for the build scripts.

Re: Feedback on the CMS

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
 - Original Message -

 From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
 Cc:
 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:32 PM
 Subject: Re: Feedback on the CMS

 On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  With 1100 builds so far the ooo-site CMS instance
  is only 350 builds behind www.apache.org as the
  most-used CMS tree so far.  I monitor the CMS logs
  daily to evaluate usage and this project publishes
  about as often as all our other projects combined,
  which really makes me wonder where we'd be here if
  the org had never created the CMS in the first place.

 Wow.  Impressive stats.  I know I use it nearly on a daily basis.

  The ooo-site is far and away the largest instance at
  over 9GB total.  The reason I'm writing here is to
  ask general questions about user satisfaction with
  the CMS:

  1) Is there any aspect of the CMS that needs immediate
     improvement?

 It works for me.

  2) Are you satisfied with the workflow, or are there areas
     that could stand improvement?

 For the novice, it would be useful to have more guidance text on what
 to do next.   So maybe a streamlined easy interface, and then the
 full version.

 Ok, thanks.  I dunno about a steamlined interface, but more inline
 documentation is probably called for.

That could help.  Or even a video tutorial/walk-through of the
interface, via Feathercast.

  3) Is there anything that should be done to encourage more
     users who are not committers to use the CMS to submit patches
     to the list?

 There is a live markdown preview of changes, but none given for HTML
 pages.  Since most of the openoffice.org site is still HTML, this
 would be very useful and help catch errors before staging.

 There are security implications about using a project's rendering code
 within the CMS- it complicates things well beyond my threshold for that
 sort of thing.  When all else fails the Static view will render the core
 HTML natively with many of the linkages preserved, so you'll at least get
 some idea from that how things will look on staging post-build.

  4) Are there any UI features you'd like to see implemented,
     either in the web interface or the publication script?

 In the web interface, something that would poll the build and
 automatically refresh to the staging server when the build is
 complete.

 Perhaps- I just added a similar feature to the publication script,
 and yes I'm having a hard time convincing users to pay attention
 to the build results before trying to publish.

 Thanks for the responses Rob!

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers

2012-05-13 Thread Albino Biasutti Neto

Hi.

The list has been approved ?

Best,

Send by Android
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Em 08/05/2012 17:05, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com escreveu:

On 05/07/2012 04:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
arie...@apache.org wrote:

Hi Albino,

On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 07:52:50PM -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:

Hi.

How is the progress of the vote ? [0]

I see no change yet. Waiting an result positive. :-)

0 -
issues.apache.org/jira/browse/**INFRA-4532http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532

The Spanish proposal only got one +1 ;)
http://markmail.org/message/**gxcn6ksi3cz26rjbhttp://markmail.org/message/gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb

And that is perfectly OK. Lazy consensus is about seeing if anyone
has objections. If they don't then there is no need to say +1.
Silence is consent.

Sometimes I think we overuse +1 to mean I have no objections. IMHO,
+1 should mean more like I strongly support this and am willing to
help.

You simply have to wait the 72 hrs :)
Then update the JIRA issue with the link to the proposal thread and the
name of the moderators.

And then please update this page, once the list is created:

http://incubator.apache.org/**openofficeorg/native-lang.htmlhttp://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/native-lang.html

-Rob

yes...

Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina

--
--**--**

MzK

Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out.
-- Ironic, Alanis Morissette

Re: [WWW] Common layout and content for NL sites (was: Some issues translating download/index.html)

On May 13, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

Hi Simon,

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 05:47:01PM +0200, Simon Brouwer wrote:
Hi Ariel,

Op 11-5-2012 13:25, Ariel Constenla-Haile schreef:

I wanted a left navigation div, like
http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/why-product-left-nav.png

It turns out it's not possible to do so without some hack:

What about the navigation menu on the right at
http://www.openoffice.org/nl/ ?

Putting it on the left would be trivial.

It's nice, but it's part of a table design. I was thinking about
a general approach, using the new tools we have. You can see the example
in the API site: http://www.openoffice.org/api/ where the left navigator
DIV is simply a MardDown text file: simple to translate, no need to mess
up with HTML, etc.
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/api/leftnav.mdtext?revision=129view=markup

The issue here is that lib/view.pm only accepts a leftnav.mdtext for the
main site, or one of the subfolders, like conent/api, but not for more
internal subfolders like content/es/producto/

This is true for now, but we can always change what I did in view.pm and the
templates structure.

We can move ssi.mdtext from the templates tree to the content tree. In view.pm
we can scan for ssi.mdtext from the current folder up to the root.

This will allow the available rightnav.mdtext and leftnav.mdtext divs in the
page design to be triggered at any level.

There will need to be special procedures when ssi.mdtext files are changed.

Regards,
Dave

Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina

Re: Feedback on the CMS


On May 13, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:

 
 
 On 05/12/2012 08:49 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
 While I don't quite grok what you are having issue with
 regarding mdtext pages,  I can give you an example of how
 to link to some named element within the current page:
 
 [Link text](#name)
 
 where name is the id or name of the element you want
 to link to.
 
 More generally I've explained a few more of the UI design
 elements just now at
 
 http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref#organization
 
 Well I wasn't as clear as I could have been either. :/
 
 When I use the CMS bookmarklet to edit one of the mdtext pages, I am 
 presented with a very limited set of functions I can use vis a vis the 
 toolbar presented to me. And the WMD link presented,
 http://www.wmd-editor.com/,
 
 doesn't seem to work -- I was going to use this to get to more information.
 
 So thanks for the info you provided above. Because I couldn't get anywhere 
 with the WMD link, I wasn't sure what to do. Maybe I put more thought into 
 this then was needed, though...I guess i could have just entered markdown 
 directly.
 
 
 
 The CMS build scripts really don't need much explaining
 as they don't actually contain very much rendering logic themselves,
 all that information is in the per-project site's trunk/lib/path.pm
 and trunk/lib/view.pm.
 
 OK, well then, something that was suggested to me vis a vis using the build 
 scripts to generate some dynamic elements in a page, might not work. This is 
 a down the road project and something that would be nice for us but not 
 absolutely needed now. I will get back on some options regarding this type of 
 thing later. Higher priority items right now...

I've been modifying the path.pm and view.pm all along. What dynamic elements do 
you have in mind? It is totally possible to have certain pages auto-update 
every hour (like www.apache.org) and contain elements like twitter feeds.

Also, there is another thread where the site design is being discussed.

Regards,
Dave



 
 
 
 HTH
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Kay Schenkkay.sch...@gmail.com
 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
 Cc:
 Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:56 AM
 Subject: Re: Feedback on the CMS
 
 Hi Joe --
 
 On 05/11/2012 11:18 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
  With 1100 builds so far the ooo-site CMS instance
  is only 350 builds behind www.apache.org as the
  most-used CMS tree so far.� I monitor the CMS logs
  daily to evaluate usage and this project publishes
  about as often as all our other projects combined,
  which really makes me wonder where we'd be here if
  the org had never created the CMS in the first place.
 
 
  The ooo-site is far and away the largest instance at
  over 9GB total.� The reason I'm writing here is to
  ask general questions about user satisfaction with
  the CMS:
 
 WOW!
 
 
  1) Is there any aspect of the CMS that needs immediate
  �� improvement?
 
 Oddly, the area I seem to have problems with in the current environment is 
 the
 editing of the mdtext files. I can't see to find, on the toolbar provided,
 editing features such as adding a link name for local in-page links for 
 example.
 And I don't think I'm provided with direct access to mdtext from the CMS
 (I could be wrong about this, but I didn't see a way), so that's my only
 immediate suggestion.
 
 I rarely use it for direct editing of www.openoffice.org, but it works 
 great for
 that too.
 
 
  2) Are you satisfied with the workflow, or are there areas
  �� that could stand improvement?
 
 It's very good as far as I'm concerned. I've gotten into the habit
 of checking the buildbot to ascertain buld completion to staging, but the
 comments about notification BACK to the user would be a wonderful addition.
 
 
  3) Is there anything that should be done to encourage more
  �� users who are not committers to use the CMS to submit patches
  �� to the list?
 
 Comments here about automatically submitting to BZ would be super!
 
 
  4) Are there any UI features you'd like to see implemented,
  �� either in the web interface or the publication script?
 
 I can't think of any UI features right now except for the mdtext editing I
 mentioned in 1).
 
 But more information/instructions on items like where our build scripts are,
 what can be done with them as for as additional customizations would be 
 helpful.
 Again, maybe this information is out there and I just haven't found it yet.
 
 
  Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer a few of these!
 
 I think it goes without saying that Apache OpenOffice greatly appreciates 
 the
 effort infra has put into the CMS over the last few months to serve the
 project's huge needs. Thank you!
 
 -- 
 MzK
 
 Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
 And life has a funny way of helping you out
 Helping you out.
 -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
 
 
 --

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto
biasut...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi.

The list has been approved ?

You should read this page on decision-making in Apache projects:

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/docs/governance/lazyConsensus.html

Especially the section on stating lazy consensus.

So for most decisions at Apache (notable exceptions are release votes
and voting in new committers) you should not expect a formal vote.
Instead, someone makes a proposal, gives sufficient time for
objections to be raised (72 hours is typical). If no objections are
raised then you go forward to implement the proposal.

So in the case of a mailing list creation, you might include a link to
the proposal thread in your JIRA request, to show that there were no
objections.

-Rob

Best,

Send by Android
Mensagem enviada via Android.
Albino @bino28
Em 08/05/2012 17:05, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com escreveu:

On 05/07/2012 04:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
arie...@apache.org wrote:

Hi Albino,

On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 07:52:50PM -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:

Hi.

How is the progress of the vote ? [0]

I see no change yet. Waiting an result positive. :-)

0 -
issues.apache.org/jira/browse/**INFRA-4532http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532

The Spanish proposal only got one +1 ;)
http://markmail.org/message/**gxcn6ksi3cz26rjbhttp://markmail.org/message/gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb

And that is perfectly OK. Lazy consensus is about seeing if anyone
has objections. If they don't then there is no need to say +1.
Silence is consent.

Sometimes I think we overuse +1 to mean I have no objections. IMHO,
+1 should mean more like I strongly support this and am willing to
help.

You simply have to wait the 72 hrs :)
Then update the JIRA issue with the link to the proposal thread and the
name of the moderators.

And then please update this page, once the list is created:

http://incubator.apache.org/**openofficeorg/native-lang.htmlhttp://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/native-lang.html

-Rob

yes...

Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina

--
--**--**

MzK

Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out.
-- Ironic, Alanis Morissette

Change Case feature

2012-05-13 Thread Marco A.G.Pinto


  
  
Hi!
  
  I have installed AOO 3.4 and it doesn't have the same feature as
  M$ Office 2010 where there is an icon to change the case of words:
    - lower case
    - upper case
    - capitalise each word
    - toggle case
  
  This is very useful.
  
  Can it be added in the next update?
  
  Thanks!
  
  Kind regards,
   Marco A.G.Pinto
     ---
  
  

--

[bug] Quick start up issue V3.4

2012-05-13 Thread Marco A.G.Pinto


  
  
Hello!
  
  There is an issue with AOO 3.4:
  
  In the past the quick start up option would load some OOo
  libraries and place an icon in the tray area icon.
  
  Now, when I get to the desktop, it opens a full screen window
  asking which kind of document I want to create.
  
  I believe this is a bug.
  
  Kind regards,
   Marco A.G.Pinto
     ---
  

--

Re: Change Case feature

2012-05-13 Thread Rory O'Farrell

On Sun, 13 May 2012 18:02:02 +0100
Marco A.G.Pinto marcoagpi...@mail.telepac.pt wrote:

 Hi!
 
 I have installed AOO 3.4 and it doesn't have the same feature as M$ 
 Office 2010 where there is an icon to change the case of words:
- lower case
- upper case
- capitalise each word
- toggle case
 
 This is very useful.
 
 Can it be added in the next update?


There is a /Format /Case facility available.  You may possibly be able to 
customise a toolbar to add a button or buttons for this. 

Remember that there needs to be a reasonable limit on the number of standard 
toolbar button, or any program becomes too cumbersome.



-- 
Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie

Re: Change Case feature

2012/5/13 Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie:
 On Sun, 13 May 2012 18:02:02 +0100
 Marco A.G.Pinto marcoagpi...@mail.telepac.pt wrote:

 Hi!

 I have installed AOO 3.4 and it doesn't have the same feature as M$
 Office 2010 where there is an icon to change the case of words:
    - lower case
    - upper case
    - capitalise each word
    - toggle case

 This is very useful.

 Can it be added in the next update?


 There is a /Format /Case facility available.  You may possibly be able to 
 customise a toolbar to add a button or buttons for this.

Those options are also available or right click over selection.

Re: [WWW] Common layout and content for NL sites (was: Some issues translating download/index.html)

Hi Dave,

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 09:38:42AM -0700, Dave Fisher wrote:
  I wanted a left navigation div, like
  http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/why-product-left-nav.png
  
  It turns out it's not possible to do so without some hack:
  
  What about the navigation menu on the right at
  http://www.openoffice.org/nl/ ?
  
  Putting it on the left would be trivial.
  
  It's nice, but it's part of a table design. I was thinking about
  a general approach, using the new tools we have. You can see the
  example in the API site: http://www.openoffice.org/api/ where the
  left navigator DIV is simply a MardDown text file: simple to
  translate, no need to mess up with HTML, etc.
  http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/api/leftnav.mdtext?revision=129view=markup
  
  The issue here is that lib/view.pm only accepts a leftnav.mdtext for
  the main site, or one of the subfolders, like conent/api, but not
  for more internal subfolders like content/es/producto/
 
 This is true for now, but we can always change what I did in view.pm
 and the templates structure.
 
 We can move ssi.mdtext from the templates tree to the content tree. In
 view.pm we can scan for ssi.mdtext from the current folder up to the
 root.
 
 This will allow the available rightnav.mdtext and leftnav.mdtext divs
 in the page design to be triggered at any level.

I tried to do it, with my almost null Perl skills:
http://people.apache.org/~arielch/patches/0001-Add-left-navigativon-div-in-product-and-why.patch
I guess it's more clever to check first if there is a ssi.mdtext in the
current folder than searching recursively upper levels for every and
each file (my dummy solution).


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [WWW] Common layout and content for NL sites (was: Some issues translating download/index.html)

On May 13, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

Hi Dave,

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 09:38:42AM -0700, Dave Fisher wrote:
I wanted a left navigation div, like
http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/why-product-left-nav.png

It turns out it's not possible to do so without some hack:

What about the navigation menu on the right at
http://www.openoffice.org/nl/ ?

Putting it on the left would be trivial.

It's nice, but it's part of a table design. I was thinking about
a general approach, using the new tools we have. You can see the
example in the API site: http://www.openoffice.org/api/ where the
left navigator DIV is simply a MardDown text file: simple to
translate, no need to mess up with HTML, etc.
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/api/leftnav.mdtext?revision=129view=markup

The issue here is that lib/view.pm only accepts a leftnav.mdtext for
the main site, or one of the subfolders, like conent/api, but not
for more internal subfolders like content/es/producto/

This is true for now, but we can always change what I did in view.pm
and the templates structure.

We can move ssi.mdtext from the templates tree to the content tree. In
view.pm we can scan for ssi.mdtext from the current folder up to the
root.

This will allow the available rightnav.mdtext and leftnav.mdtext divs
in the page design to be triggered at any level.

I tried to do it, with my almost null Perl skills:
http://people.apache.org/~arielch/patches/0001-Add-left-navigativon-div-in-product-and-why.patch
I guess it's more clever to check first if there is a ssi.mdtext in the
current folder than searching recursively upper levels for every and
each file (my dummy solution).

Two changes would be done.

(a) Move ssi.mdtext to the content tree.

(b) Change and rename the templates_folder routine into a find_ssi routine that
starts in the current content directory and then moves up levels until one is
found.

The only challenge is how to make changes in an ssi.mdtext cause rebuilds to
all pages in that directory. Currently we use a change to view.pm to trigger
that. I'll ask Joe on the Apache CMS thread.

Regards,
Dave

Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina

Re: Feedback on the CMS

Hi Joe,

An enhancement idea:

On May 11, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

 With 1100 builds so far the ooo-site CMS instance
 is only 350 builds behind www.apache.org as the
 most-used CMS tree so far.  I monitor the CMS logs
 daily to evaluate usage and this project publishes
 about as often as all our other projects combined,
 which really makes me wonder where we'd be here if
 the org had never created the CMS in the first place.
 
 
 The ooo-site is far and away the largest instance at
 over 9GB total.  The reason I'm writing here is to
 ask general questions about user satisfaction with
 the CMS:
 
 1) Is there any aspect of the CMS that needs immediate
improvement?
 
 2) Are you satisfied with the workflow, or are there areas
that could stand improvement?

In discussing improvements to the site we are planning to move the ssi.mdtext 
from the templates tree to the content tree.

It would be really handy if we could trigger rebuilds within a subtree of 
content when a special file like ssi.mdtext is modified.

Perhaps there is a way by using path.pm to grab the ssi.mdtext (which we don't 
want to make into an html) and call a routine in view.pm that will rebuild a 
subtree? Any tricks? Callbacks into the CMS?

Regards,
Dave


 
 3) Is there anything that should be done to encourage more
users who are not committers to use the CMS to submit patches
to the list?
 
 4) Are there any UI features you'd like to see implemented,
either in the web interface or the publication script?
 
 Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer a few of these!

Re: [PROPOSAL] Get it here community download promotion program

On May 13, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Rob Weir wrote:

Currently, requesting and receiving such permission requires a request
to the PMC, approval and then additional approval by the Apache VP
Branding.

=Use of the Apache OpenOffice Download Promotion Logo=

Anyone, without additional permission from this project, may use the
following logo subject to the following conditions:

The logo:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/get-aoo-300x100-cf.png?version=1modificationDate=1331970198000

[NB. We should move this to a more memorable location]

Conditions:

1. The logo may not be modified except to resize it. If translations
of the Get it here! text are required, send a request to the ooo-dev
list and we can provide a translated version for you.

There should be a minimum size.

2. The image must be linked to one of:

3. The logo must not link to a specific download file or mirror. This
causes problems with load balancing and fallbacks and may prevent
users from getting the latest version of OpenOffice.

4. Any use Apache-owned logos beyond the above is not covered by this
program an must be explicitly requested from the ASF.

+1 to the proposal.

Regards,
Dave

Re: Feedback on the CMS

2012-05-13 Thread Joe Schaefer

- Original Message -

 From: Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
 Cc: 
 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 2:20 PM
 Subject: Re: Feedback on the CMS

 Hi Joe,

 An enhancement idea:

 On May 11, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

  With 1100 builds so far the ooo-site CMS instance
  is only 350 builds behind www.apache.org as the
  most-used CMS tree so far.  I monitor the CMS logs
  daily to evaluate usage and this project publishes
  about as often as all our other projects combined,
  which really makes me wonder where we'd be here if
  the org had never created the CMS in the first place.

  The ooo-site is far and away the largest instance at
  over 9GB total.  The reason I'm writing here is to
  ask general questions about user satisfaction with
  the CMS:

  1) Is there any aspect of the CMS that needs immediate
     improvement?

  2) Are you satisfied with the workflow, or are there areas
     that could stand improvement?

 In discussing improvements to the site we are planning to move the ssi.mdtext 
 from the templates tree to the content tree.

 It would be really handy if we could trigger rebuilds within a subtree of 
 content when a special file like ssi.mdtext is modified.

 Perhaps there is a way by using path.pm to grab the ssi.mdtext (which we 
 don't want to make into an html) and call a routine in view.pm that will 
 rebuild a subtree? Any tricks? Callbacks into the CMS?

Doesn't sound all that smart to me tbh, but you could setup %path::dependencies
with something along these lines in path.pm:

    my @html_files_in_foo_dir = glob content/foo/**/*.html;
    for (@html_files_in_foo_dir) {
 s/content//;
 $dependencies{$_} = /foo/ssi.mdtext;
    }

Just don't try this outside the foo dir or that glob call will take forever
and be totally pointless: just leave the file in templates.

Re: Feedback on the CMS

2012-05-13 Thread Joe Schaefer

- Original Message -

 From: Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
 Cc: 
 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 2:28 PM
 Subject: Re: Feedback on the CMS

 - Original Message -

  From: Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
  To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
  Cc: 
  Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 2:20 PM
  Subject: Re: Feedback on the CMS

  Hi Joe,

  An enhancement idea:

  On May 11, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

   With 1100 builds so far the ooo-site CMS instance
   is only 350 builds behind www.apache.org as the
   most-used CMS tree so far.  I monitor the CMS logs
   daily to evaluate usage and this project publishes
   about as often as all our other projects combined,
   which really makes me wonder where we'd be here if
   the org had never created the CMS in the first place.

   The ooo-site is far and away the largest instance at
   over 9GB total.  The reason I'm writing here is to
   ask general questions about user satisfaction with
   the CMS:

   1) Is there any aspect of the CMS that needs immediate
      improvement?

   2) Are you satisfied with the workflow, or are there areas
      that could stand improvement?

  In discussing improvements to the site we are planning to move the 
 ssi.mdtext 
  from the templates tree to the content tree.

  It would be really handy if we could trigger rebuilds within a subtree of 
  content when a special file like ssi.mdtext is modified.

  Perhaps there is a way by using path.pm to grab the ssi.mdtext (which we 
  don't want to make into an html) and call a routine in view.pm that 
 will 
  rebuild a subtree? Any tricks? Callbacks into the CMS?

 Doesn't sound all that smart to me tbh, but you could setup 
 %path::dependencies
 with something along these lines in path.pm:

     my @html_files_in_foo_dir = glob content/foo/**/*.html;
     for (@html_files_in_foo_dir) {
  s/content//;
  $dependencies{$_} = /foo/ssi.mdtext;

Bug: that should read

   $dependencies{$_} = [ /foo/ssi.mdtext ];

     }

 Just don't try this outside the foo dir or that glob call will take forever
 and be totally pointless: just leave the file in templates.

Re: [Heads up][code] Apache Lucene updated to version 2.9.4


On 05/13/12 09:10, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

Hi Pedro,

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 08:24:00PM -0500, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

To respond your points, which are perfectly reasonable, in the
case of these last two big changes:

1) The code builds on FreeBSD-amd64, which is my dev. platform.
2) The code has been in use for a while on FreeBSD and/or Debian
Linux for a while. I was very careful to choose only compatible
updates.
3) I did my best to check the specific functionality that may be
affected: it is unlikely I can catch all the use-cases but doing
such changes early in development will help detect any
remaining issue.

We have QA experts here ;) The idea behind my mail was: identify where
the libraries you are updating is used, then ask the QA people if they
can perform some tests (or ask here in the list for testing volunteers).
For people to test functionality, you must tell them first where/what to
test.


Ahh.. OK.. so we are in the same channel, because that was the
reason for the [heads up] tag :). I do want the Lucene change tested
on Windows: specifically for looking up long paths in the help system.

The old port had an awful hack that requires an effort to update: in
general adding system independent hacks in Java code is not good
so I want to know if that extra effort is needed at all.


For example, with apache commons, I have no idea where this can be used,
opengrok suggests in the Report Builder (we don't build it anymore) and
the Wiki Publisher (this extension is not installed by default with the
office, and AFAIK we didn't upload a new version on the extensions
repository).


Those are used for logging and http access in extensions, however,
I am not worried about Apache Commons. I only updated lang
and codec which are used by http-client: the updated versions have
been in use in FreeBSD's ports for a long time and I verified the
changelogs of both updated to make sure there were no surprises
like deprecated APIs.


In conclusion, for the third step, we should identify where the code is
used, ask for QA volunteers telling them what to test.


Hm ... I guess I will have to join the QA list in addition to the heads-up.

Pedro.

Re: Link to RSS or Atom update feed

2012-05-13 Thread Alexander Thurgood

Le 13/05/12 15:51, Rob Weir a écrit :

Hi Rob,

 
 Our project blog is here:
 
 http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/
 
 Atom feed is:
 
 https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/feed/entries/atom

Oh thanks, not really what I was looking for, but better than nothing.

 
 Generally, important announcements will be made one the blog, as well
 as via the ooo-announce mailing list.  But due to technical issues we
 did not use the blog for the AOO 3.4 announcement.
 

Hmm, I'd rather use that instead, will check out the archivers to see if
there's anything I can use there.

Thanks anyway,

Alex

Re: [Heads up][code] Apache Lucene updated to version 2.9.4


On 05/13/12 08:57, Rob Weir wrote:

...
Whew!  I thought I was the only non-perfect person here ;-)


:)


But seriously, no large development effort can ever rely on perfect
(or near-perfect) developers.  That approach doesn't scale.   We need
to rely on an overall process that can efficiently find errors, and
find them early.

So I wonder, in cases like this, where we're upgrading a library that
might cause functional regressions, whether we should do something
like this:

1) Open a BZ issue for the task, e.g., upgrading a particular library.

2) In the issue, describe the general functionality that may be
effected by the library upgrade

3) This then gives the QA volunteers a head's up that they should do
some deeper testing in this area.  (They probably don't read every
message on ooo-commits)

4) It also gives us a place where we can look for producing release
notes for 3.5.

Does this make sense?



Makes perfect sense.

In this case I reused BZ issue 115241 which already existed for
the Lucene update. I didn't note it on the top as there were more
changes going on. After committing the change (and this time
the log was rather descriptive of the change) I added a
reference to the commit as I always do.

The issue, I think, is not really what to do but how to improve
the workflow: I set the bug to RESOLVED FIXED. Is this the
correct way to give a heads up for QA?

Pedro.

Re: manuals on OpenOffice


Hello Raul;

On 05/13/12 11:17, Raul Pacheco da Silva wrote:

Good morning, I am a simple end user and fan of this software and am not
very good thing in these licenses, and would assist the project with the
translation of manuals as I did with the LO, manuals found on this page of
the wiki:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT

I saw that these manuals are under the GNU


ThisDocument is excellant Copyright © 2005-2010 by the contributors listed
below. You may distributeit and / or modify it under the terms of the GNU
General PublicLicense Either (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version
3 or later, or the Creative Commons Attribution License (http:// /
creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0 /), version 3.0 or later.

Within this guide Alltrademarks Belong To Their legitimate owners. 

and footer

You can download
an editable version of this document from
http://oooauthors.org/english/userguide3/published/ 


Indeed. Those files don't belong to the project and we can't
relicense them.

To make a long story short, we had to backup the old SUN/Oracle
server and move it into Apache but we haven't cleaned out the
content yet.

I think we will need volunteers for a new documentation project,
or at least to clean up the old content.

Pedro.

[ooo-site]

2012-05-13 Thread Lou Devlin

I cannot see a UK version for download
Can you help?

Re: manuals on OpenOffice

2012-05-13 Thread Raul Pacheco da Silva

Hello Pedro,

Thanks for your reply, I am a volunteer in Brazil for the translation of
manuals for Portuguese language (Brazil), I believe in the same way these
manuals (esttilos and formatting with some variations) and even for
creating these.
2012/5/13 Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org

 Hello Raul;


 On 05/13/12 11:17, Raul Pacheco da Silva wrote:

 Good morning, I am a simple end user and fan of this software and am not
 very good thing in these licenses, and would assist the project with the
 translation of manuals as I did with the LO, manuals found on this page of
 the wiki:

 http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/**Documentation/OOo3_User_**
 Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODThttp://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT

 I saw that these manuals are under the GNU

 
 ThisDocument is excellant Copyright © 2005-2010 by the contributors listed
 below. You may distributeit and / or modify it under the terms of the GNU
 General PublicLicense Either 
 (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/**gpl.htmlhttp://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html),
 version
 3 or later, or the Creative Commons Attribution License (http:// /
 creativecommons.org/licenses/**by/3.0http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/),
  version 3.0 or later.

 Within this guide Alltrademarks Belong To Their legitimate owners. 

 and footer

 You can download
 an editable version of this document from
 http://oooauthors.org/english/**userguide3/published/http://oooauthors.org/english/userguide3/published/


 Indeed. Those files don't belong to the project and we can't
 relicense them.

 To make a long story short, we had to backup the old SUN/Oracle
 server and move it into Apache but we haven't cleaned out the
 content yet.

 I think we will need volunteers for a new documentation project,
 or at least to clean up the old content.

 Pedro.




-- 
Raul Pacheco da Silva

Fone (11) 8536-6340
Skipe: raulpachecodasilva
Messenger: rp...@hotmail.com
Suzano - SP

Re: manuals on OpenOffice

2012-05-13 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima

2012/5/13 Raul Pacheco da Silva raulpachecodasi...@gmail.com

 Hello Pedro,

 Thanks for your reply, I am a volunteer in Brazil for the translation of
 manuals for Portuguese language (Brazil), I believe in the same way these
 manuals (esttilos and formatting with some variations) and even for
 creating these.
 2012/5/13 Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org


Hi. I think I can help on this issue too.

Rgds.\
--

Raul Pacheco da Silva

 Fone (11) 8536-6340
 Skipe: raulpachecodasilva
 Messenger: rp...@hotmail.com
 Suzano - SP




-- 
Paulo de Souza Lima
Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador
http://www.pasl.net.br
http://almalivre.wordpress.com
Curitiba - PR
Linux User #432358
Ubuntu User #28729

Para que as pessoas conquistem a paz em suas relações, a paz espiritual e
a paz entre os povos, é preciso que antes se ganhe a batalha interna das
virtudes sobre os defeitos - Talal Husseini - Filósofo Acropolitano

For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and
the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle
between virtues and defects - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher

Re: manuals on OpenOffice

(sorry for top posting)
Well, theres a lot to do ...

In the past we spend some time discussing if we should
keep using MW or move everything to CWiki. It seems like
infra@ is OK with having both but perhaps we should define
better how each will be used.

I guess you guys could start be removing all the outdated
information.

Next we need an inventory of the valuable information and
some migration plan to make clear how new information is
under ALv2.

Pedro.


--- Dom 13/5/12, Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@varekai.org ha scritto:
...
  Hello Pedro,
 
  Thanks for your reply, I am a volunteer in Brazil for
 the translation of
  manuals for Portuguese language (Brazil), I believe in
 the same way these
  manuals (esttilos and formatting with some variations)
 and even for
  creating these.
  2012/5/13 Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org
 
 
 Hi. I think I can help on this issue too.
 
 Rgds.\
 --
 
 Raul Pacheco da Silva
 
  Fone (11) 8536-6340
  Skipe: raulpachecodasilva
  Messenger: rp...@hotmail.com
  Suzano - SP
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Paulo de Souza Lima
 Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador
 http://www.pasl.net.br
 http://almalivre.wordpress.com
 Curitiba - PR
 Linux User #432358
 Ubuntu User #28729
 
 Para que as pessoas conquistem a paz em suas relações, a
 paz espiritual e
 a paz entre os povos, é preciso que antes se ganhe a
 batalha interna das
 virtudes sobre os defeitos - Talal Husseini - Filósofo
 Acropolitano
 
 For people to achieve peace in their relationships,
 spiritual peace and
 the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the
 internal battle
 between virtues and defects - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan
 Philosopher

Re: manuals on OpenOffice


Raul Pacheco da Silva wrote:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT
I saw that these manuals are under the GNU ...
are showing that these documents OOOautohrs
We can make some indication in this direction and use the license at the end of
the Apache Incubator


I don't completely understand what you mean (and of course I am not a 
lawyer), but if you mean that you translated the OOoAuthors 
documentation and you would like to relicense your translation under the 
Apache license, this is not possible nor necessary:


- not possible because translation counts as derived work, so it 
inherits the GPL[+CC-BY] license and you can't change it unless the 
English version changes its license too.


- not necessary because these guides have never been included in a 
release of OpenOffice and are not officially part of the project, and 
these would be the cases where license incompatibility matters. So if 
you wish to update/translate them, nothing changed due to the OpenOffice 
codebase license change.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: Feedback on the CMS


On 11/05/2012 Joe Schaefer wrote:

1) Is there any aspect of the CMS that needs immediate
improvement?


I don't see any critical issues.


2) Are you satisfied with the workflow, or are there areas
that could stand improvement?


I'd like to have (or to find, if it already exists) a way to publish 
only changes within a directory; from time to time, when I publish the 
website after working on the it directory, some other commits from 
other people and other directories slip in, and I haven't found a way to 
tell the CMS Publish the 'it' directory only.



3) Is there anything that should be done to encourage more
users who are not committers to use the CMS to submit patches
to the list?


This affects much more than the CMS. I see higher barriers in other 
parts of the project (localization/Pootle being a clear example).



4) Are there any UI features you'd like to see implemented,
either in the web interface or the publication script?


If my request at 2) is already possible, then the interface to do so 
should be more visible.


Thanks,
  Andrea.

Re: [ooo-site]

2012-05-13 Thread Rory O'Farrell

On Sun, 13 May 2012 20:17:23 +0100
Lou Devlin loudev...@gmail.com wrote:

 I cannot see a UK version for download
 Can you help?

Only en-US currently available of en-XX versions.. en-GB in preparation, I 
understand, projected release with v3.4.1 at end July/early August, unless 
available earlier for testing.
-- 
Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie

Re: [ooo-site]

2012-05-13 Thread Larry Gusaas


On 2012-05-13 3:08 PM  drew wrote:

On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 20:17 +0100, Lou Devlin wrote:

I cannot see a UK version for download
Can you help?

Hello Lou,

I presume you are asking in regards to a binary package marked en_GB
rather then en_US, yes? For this release there was none, language
support for the project is fully dependent on volunteer support and no
one was available to produce the en_GB version.

There are dictionary files available for en_GB, but these will not
correct the small English spelling foibles, you would perceive, in the
GUI/Help files. These dictionary files would be available on the project
extensions site.[1]

I believe there is now someone working on en_GB, though can't say that
for sure without going back over the mailing lists.

Having said all that I would also like to ask you - Can you help?

Best wishes,

//drew

[1] http://extensions.services.openoffice.org


AOO 3.4 en-US includes, in the dict-en.oxt extension, dictionaries for en-US, en-GB, en-CA, 
en-AU, and en-ZA.


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Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - 
Edgard Varese

Re: Feedback on the CMS

2012-05-13 Thread Kay Schenk




On 05/13/2012 09:42 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:


On May 13, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:




On 05/12/2012 08:49 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

While I don't quite grok what you are having issue with regarding
mdtext pages,  I can give you an example of how to link to some
named element within the current page:

[Link text](#name)

where name is the id or name of the element you want to link
to.

More generally I've explained a few more of the UI design
elements just now at

http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref#organization


Well I wasn't as clear as I could have been either. :/

When I use the CMS bookmarklet to edit one of the mdtext pages, I
am presented with a very limited set of functions I can use vis a
vis the toolbar presented to me. And the WMD link presented,
http://www.wmd-editor.com/,

doesn't seem to work -- I was going to use this to get to more
information.

So thanks for the info you provided above. Because I couldn't get
anywhere with the WMD link, I wasn't sure what to do. Maybe I put
more thought into this then was needed, though...I guess i could
have just entered markdown directly.




The CMS build scripts really don't need much explaining as they
don't actually contain very much rendering logic themselves, all
that information is in the per-project site's trunk/lib/path.pm
and trunk/lib/view.pm.


OK, well then, something that was suggested to me vis a vis using
the build scripts to generate some dynamic elements in a page,
might not work. This is a down the road project and something
that would be nice for us but not absolutely needed now. I will get
back on some options regarding this type of thing later. Higher
priority items right now...


I've been modifying the path.pm and view.pm all along. What dynamic
elements do you have in mind? It is totally possible to have certain
pages auto-update every hour (like www.apache.org) and contain
elements like twitter feeds.

Also, there is another thread where the site design is being
discussed.


well it...it concerned culling the native language lists that had been 
setup and automatically inserting this info into:


http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/native-lang.html

We can start a new thread...and I'm starting a page on web site 
enhancements in the planning wiki to include items like this for 
further discussion. Might be easier/cleaner to do a wiki whiteboard 
approach rather than e-mail.


more later...






Regards, Dave








HTH


- Original Message -

From: Kay Schenkkay.sch...@gmail.com To:
ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012
11:56 AM Subject: Re: Feedback on the CMS

Hi Joe --

On 05/11/2012 11:18 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

With 1100 builds so far the ooo-site CMS instance is only 350
builds behind www.apache.org as the most-used CMS tree so
far.� I monitor the CMS logs daily to evaluate usage and this
project publishes about as often as all our other projects
combined, which really makes me wonder where we'd be here if
the org had never created the CMS in the first place.


The ooo-site is far and away the largest instance at over 9GB
total.� The reason I'm writing here is to ask general
questions about user satisfaction with the CMS:


WOW!



1) Is there any aspect of the CMS that needs immediate ��
improvement?


Oddly, the area I seem to have problems with in the current
environment is the editing of the mdtext files. I can't see to
find, on the toolbar provided, editing features such as adding
a link name for local in-page links for example. And I don't
think I'm provided with direct access to mdtext from the CMS (I
could be wrong about this, but I didn't see a way), so that's
my only immediate suggestion.

I rarely use it for direct editing of www.openoffice.org, but
it works great for that too.



2) Are you satisfied with the workflow, or are there areas ��
that could stand improvement?


It's very good as far as I'm concerned. I've gotten into the
habit of checking the buildbot to ascertain buld completion to
staging, but the comments about notification BACK to the user
would be a wonderful addition.



3) Is there anything that should be done to encourage more ��
users who are not committers to use the CMS to submit
patches �� to the list?


Comments here about automatically submitting to BZ would be
super!



4) Are there any UI features you'd like to see implemented,
�� either in the web interface or the publication script?


I can't think of any UI features right now except for the
mdtext editing I mentioned in 1).

But more information/instructions on items like where our build
scripts are, what can be done with them as for as additional
customizations would be helpful. Again, maybe this information
is out there and I just haven't found it yet.



Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer a few of
these!


I think it goes without saying that Apache OpenOffice greatly
appreciates the effort infra has put into the CMS over the last
few months to serve the project's

Re: Regaining access to the Norwegian projects on Pootle?

Hi Olav,

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 08:40:36PM +0200, Olav Dahlum wrote:
2012/5/8 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org
 
  Hi JA 1/4rgen,
 
  Olav is not subscribed to the list, I'm Ccing him now, so he gets your
  answer.
  On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 10:46:51PM +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote:
   On Tuesday, 8. May 2012 at 21:19, Olav Dahlum wrote:
Hi.
   
Before the original server was taken down I managed both the
Norwegian BokmAYENl and Norwegian Nynorsk projects on
http://pootle.services.openoffice.org/. However, I no longer have an
account, meaning there's no way to gain access to continue the work
at this point. A The username was AolorinA at that point, and
  the
credentials is still saved locally at my computer, so if it's
possible to restore these on the server I'll be grateful.
   
   
Regards,
   
Olav Dahlum
   Hi Olav,
  
   welcome back at OpenOffice. The setup of the new pootle server took
   longer as expected and we had to cover some lost knowledge. The old
   accounts are not longer working. A But we support all volunteers to
   join the translation efforts ... A Are you able to work with po files
   directly? If yes I can send you the po files via email and you can
   work on it. A When you have finished the update you can send the po
   files back to me and I will integrate them on pootle to reflect the
   current status and will integrate them as well as in the build to
   include them in the next update release. A Everything else will come
   then automatically. If you are interested to help with translations
   long term you should send an iCLA back to Apache to guarantee that the
   work you are doing is your own. I will send you further details...
   But again welcome back at OpenOffice and we appreciate your Interest
   and we are looking forward to support you.
  
   Juergen
  
  --
  Ariel Constenla-Haile
  La Plata, Argentina
 
Hi.
 
Yes, I can work that way for now. More details about the iCLA is required
as well.

you can start with
http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html#cla


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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OpenOffice for iPhone/iPad

2012-05-13 Thread Steven Ball

Are you working on a version of OpenOffice for iOS?

[Extension site]Apache licence is not offered

Following an indication from a forum colleague, I just checked that
when you upload an extension to the extension site the Apache licence
is absent from the list of open source licences. It is easy to
workaround the problem by selecting Not specified copy pasting the
licence into Licence text field, but I think it is better to list
it.

Regards
Ricardo

Re: OpenOffice for iPhone/iPad

2012-05-13 Thread Raphael Bircher

Am 14.05.12 00:11, schrieb Steven Ball:
 Are you working on a version of OpenOffice for iOS?
No, there are ODF Viewers from IBM. But I don't know, maybe sameone will
work on this.

Greetings Raphael

Re: manuals on OpenOffice