Re: Apache and ODF
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:58:25 +0100 Ian Lynch wrote: > On 26 October 2012 08:42, Fan Zheng wrote: > > > Hi, All: > > > > I am confused about the UX specifications of document representation > > requirement on mobile devices, that which is the most first important point > > should be, the different device condition adaptability of layout result? or > > the fidelity of the document originally recorded? > > > > For example. An ODT format text document with several pages sized as > > "Letter", which is physically defined as 279:216 (ratio as 1.29), and user > > want to render it in a Kindle Fire, which supplies a 1024:600 (ratio as > > 1.71) screen for presenting. > > > Is it possible to have choices? Keep the original page aspect ratio and > scroll (Never used a kindle so not sure if it can scroll but obviously > Android on phones can!) or have a "fit to aspect" where the page is scaled > to the kindle in AOO befor export. If one of the pre-defined page templates > in AOO was the kindle page size it would be possible to reformat the pages > in a document to that size just as you can change from say A4 to US letter. > Probably for complex documents with graphics this would break some parts of > the layout but for the sort of text only novels etc mostly used on these > devices it should work well enough. This assumes you can export to > epub/mobi format in any scale but I'm assuming that will be similar to > export to pdf. Of course the resulting document layout could be checked by > viewing the epub/mobi output. Having an odf viewer for the mobile devices > would be an alternative method and probably less constrained than using > epub formats but it is also more work to do it. OTOH a versatile odf reader > for mobile devices could be very useful in helping establish odf as the > open standard for all types of document. > > > > If we do much more care about the adaptability > > of representation, lots data recorded inside the file will be changed, > > removed or even ignored. But, if we care about the fidelity much more, we > > have to record all the document data inside, and rendering it on the > > devices dutifully. In the case, all we could do for the UX, is to give some > > adjustable scale. Such differences are meaning not only the pagination > > stuff, but also some solid data inside: thinking about a full > > page-width-size table for instance. > > > > There can be issues with documents that have both portrait and landscape > pages in them on normal computer screens. > > > > > Of cause, all the former document editor/viewer applications for desktop, > > will obey the "Keep Fidelity" as the very first rule. But what about the > > mobile device platforms? > > > > As such differences will actually lead the solution into the different > > direction, we maybe should make it clear before having a deeper discussion. > > > > Thanks. > > > > ZhengFan > > > > > > 2012/10/26 Andreas Säger > > > > > Am 25.10.2012 21:14, Rob Weir wrote: > > > > > > > > If you search for it, you will find various solutions for converting > > > > ODF to EPub. But I have not seen something that does the same for > > > > Kindle's MOBI format. > > > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. I know about the converters. The problem is that all our > > > office documents are ODF documents. The Kindle device does not provide > > > any access to our documents until they have been converted by some other > > > device. > > > In this discussion it is important to specify clearly which Kindle is the target device, as the screen ratio and pixel count varies from device to device with the newer Kindles. A stranger coming to this discussion might assume that Kindle genericly refers to the normal "reading" Kindle, with an 800h x 600w screen, which is the common Kindle in use. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Apache and ODF
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:38:25 -0700 Dave Fisher wrote: > As a member of the Apache POI and OpenOffice PMCs. The answer is yes ODF > toolkit might be the correct approach. The mentors on that podling Yegor and > Nick are key members of the POI project. They will both be at ApacheCon EU. > > Regards, > Dave > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 25, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Andreas Säger wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Today my wife got her new Kindle which comes with a document viewer > > based on Apache Freetype for the rendering job and Apache POI which is a > > Java library to parse Microsoft documents. > > It handles doc(x)/xls(x)/ppt(x) but no ODF. Although I am not deeply > > involved in this project, I feel somewhat embarrassed and alarmed > > because in the year 2012 the Apache foundation develops excellent tools > > to process proprietary file formats but fails to offer anything > > equivalent for the free and much simpler ODF standard. > > Is my assumption correct that http://incubator.apache.org/odftoolkit/ > > would be the remedy to solve that problem but due to a lack of > > development resources it is not ready for the job? > > > > Greetings, > > Andreas Säger > > > As an immediate work-around, Calibre will convert .odf files to almost every ebook format; its formatting is under user control. Admittedly it would be good if OpenOffice could directly support at least the more frequent ebook formats, without having to rely on an extension to do so. I remember that there is such an extension, but hae no time to look for the link just now. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Table of Contents Usability?
On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:53:47 +0100 Rory O'Farrell wrote: > A recent thread on the en-Forum threw up problems with the interface of the > Table of Contents generation. Perhaps Kevin Grignon might care to note this > as an area worthy of improvement. > > http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=56908 A further note on this in http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=106&t=56976&p=250998 -- Rory O'Farrell
Table of Contents Usability?
A recent thread on the en-Forum threw up problems with the interface of the Table of Contents generation. Perhaps Kevin Grignon might care to note this as an area worthy of improvement. http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=56908 -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Extensions website unavailable?
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:12:52 +0200 jan iversen wrote: > I have no problem with download, but extensions is down seen from spain as > well, but extensions have been rather unstable the last couple of days. > > I do not know why. > > jan > > On 23 October 2012 17:31, John Myerson wrote: > > > The link http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ from > > http://www.openoffice.org/download/ is not available at present. > > > > > > > > John Myerson It was OK at 10:30 (GMT+1) today. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Wiki robots.txt
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:29:18 +0200 Herbert Duerr wrote: > On 21.10.2012 15:13, imacat wrote: > > I found the following rule in the robots.txt of our wiki: > > > > User-Agent: * > > Disallow: / > > > > Does any know if there is any special reason why it is set so? Does > > any have any reason to keep it? I'm thinking of removing this rule. > > +1, blocking all search robots makes no sense. > Google etc. are also much more successful in finding relevant results to > non-trivial searches. The wiki-builtin search had many problems [1], > many of which are fixed in the meantime though. > > [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Search_issues > > Herbert > +1 -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Why a mailing list is superior to any web-based "forum"
On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 05:07:24 -0300 Fernando Cassia wrote: > -No captcha to solve anywhere to join a mailing list. > - No separate user-password to remember on a mailing list. > - You can read it anywhere you can get e-mail > - You don´t have to conciously go "fetch" or "look at" anything. > Email arrives "automagically" to your inbox. > - no waiting for forum web pages to load, no adverts, no footers, no > colors, no graphical sig files, no animated gifs to look > at, no delay to "log-in", messages just arrive to your mailbox > - Easy archival (just set a rule and archive your list email to a > given subfolder, or a given label if using GMail) > - Reply speed (many people´s work day involves reading and replying to > e-mail. A mailing list ensures messages with catch the interest of the > reader are clicked on and read immediately, or much faster then when > "visiting a web forum once a day". > - Sense of community: participating on a any mailing list for a period > of time helps breed a community feeling. Avtivity on web forums is > much more sparse... many people just join a forum to ask a question, > and when given an answer that suits them, they rarely return... they > do not "engage" as often as members of a mailing list. > - in part due to the above, it´s much easier to deal with > troublemakers, spammers and trolls etc on a mailing list (just ban his > email address) than on web forums. > -web based forums are more prone to spam than mailing lists (even with > the implementation of captcha for registration by many popular web > forums software) > -web forums are part of the involution of the Net... (imho) Without wishing to generate a long controversy, I'd answer Fernando like this, based on the en-Forum: Captcha only on registration - a one off event; I don't think one can complain about such a reasonable anti-spam measure. One can tell it to log one in automatically on each visit - I'm currently able to access the Forum (auto-login) from six computers. One can subscribe to a thread for notification, or (my choice) check "new postings" (link towards top of Forum screen). This only works if one has subscribed to the forum, No need to archive - the Forum does it automatically and provides a targetted search facility. Replies can be almost immediate, depending who is online. Sense of community applies among the Volunteers, who are chosen from regular and helpful posters. Admittedly many posters post to find a solution to one problem and are never seen again - surely this is the same on a mailing list? Troublemakers and spam are dealt with very quickly by the Moderators, aided by reports from Users and Volunteers. I think the en-Forum's spam record is better than the old OOo Forum and the current LibO Forum, although I recognise the work done on those forums by their administrators Another matter to consider: if the Forum(s) did not exist and the queries were instead posted to the mailing lists, could the list users cope with the added volume? I reckon there would be about 100 postings per day from the en-Forum, and certainly as many (perhaps even more) from the other national language Forums. And after that, there would (inevitably!) be many daily "Unsubscribe me" requests from posters whose quer has (hopefully) been answered. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Problem installing openoffice.org-3
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:45:30 + gringo lupo wrote: > > Hi, > I have a problem installing OpenOffice.org-3 > after: > cd /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3 ; make LOCALIZED_LANG=fr install > package > > it stopped at: > > Building module drawinglayer > = > > Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/inc > > > Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/inc > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/transitions > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/processor3d > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/slide > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/geometry > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/activities > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/processor2d > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/shapes > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/attribute > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/animationnodes > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/primitive3d > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/texture > > > Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/util > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/primitive2d > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/slideshow/source/engine/OGLTrans > > > Entering > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/source/animation > > slideshow deliver > > Entering /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/drawinglayer/util > > drawinglayer deliver > > 1 module(s): >connectivity > need(s) to be rebuilt > > Reason(s): > > ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/OOO330_m20/connectivity/source/parse > > Attention: if you fix the errors in above module(s) you may prolongue your > the build issuing command: > >build --from connectivity > > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3. > > Do I have to rebuild connectivity? and how to do it ? Is there another > solution? > Thank you for your help and direction to solve my problem > Regards > This is problem is referred here from the en-Forum; it is important to note that the poster is attempting to compile for FreeBSD, as one can se from the original thread http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=56733 -- Rory O'Farrell
[DISCUSS] Counter restrictions in AOO
For a future version of AOO, I suggest consideration of the following: New users of OpenOffice (all flavours?) do not realise that there are built-in restrictions on counter values. For example: OO cannot handle paragraphs with a character count greater than 64Kb. Those of us who cut our teeth on binary realise the historical reasons why this restriction exists. Has the time come to reconsider the internal arithmetic mechanisms and expand them? Along with such reconsideration, should we also examine the conservative memory allocations and maximum limits for memory usage? -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
later revision of AOO when some of the current suggestions are in place. > > Regards, > > -Rob > > > -Rob > > > >> So we are still getting a good amount of feedback. I added a mention > >> of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header. That > >> should give this even more visibility. > >> > >> I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we > >> can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to > >> help set priorities for AOO 4.0. > >> > >> Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st? > >> > >> At that point we can: > >> > >> 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop > >> accepting new suggestions. Point the users to the ooo-users or > >> ooo-dev mailing list instead, > >> > >> 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and > >> archive that someplace. > >> > >> 3) Discuss the results received > >> > >> 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the > >> results received? > >> > >> Any other ideas? > >> > >> I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to > >> finish it. But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please > >> volunteer. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >>> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth > >>> taking another look. It is good that all ideas are rated, not just > >>> the ones that came in early. > >>> > >>> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it > >>> and start analyzing the results? Or mid October? It would be good to > >>> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> -Rob > >>> > >>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> -Rob > -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Need help, I can't open a presentation on my computer ....
On Mon, 1 Oct 2012 02:04:32 -0400 "Koreen" wrote: > Hi. > > I was able to open 3 other PowerPoint presentations with the OpenOffice > Impress (or something), but I have a fourth one that will NOT open at all. I > even had trouble getting another open, it seemed to take forever and had to > try a half-dozen times. But this last one is pissing me off. I need it for > college, I can't even view it, let alone print it out. I attached it so you > can see what I can't open. It's for my Microbiolgy class at Erie Community > College. > > I've used OpenOffice for years, never a problem till this new Apache OO. If > I've contacted the wrong department, please forward this to the right one. I > couldn't find "technical" support or anything like that and it took me > forever to find this one. > > Thanks, > Sincerely, > Koreen Jones As a very quick fix, I suggest you download the free Microsoft Powerpoint Viewer from the Microsoft site, which will enable you to see the presentation and progress your studies http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/download/details.aspx?id=13 -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Short questionnaire about bachelor thesis
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 15:56:02 +0200 Sebastian Tischer wrote: > Good afternoon, > > my name is Sebastian Tischer and I am student of business and economics > at the university of technology in Dresden. > At the end of these studies it is mandatory to write a bachelor thesis > which is the last exam before having officially finished the studies. > > The topic of my thesis is: "Open Source Software - An analysis of the > integration of external knowledge carriers based on selected examples". > > What does this topic actually mean? > > I am investigating and analyzing various open source companies about the > way they handle external knowledge of users, contributors and developers. > These information will be compared with the structure of the company, > the used tools, techniques and documentations. > > At the end I want to draw a conclusion with the effect, telling which > company makes the best use of external knowledge and where might be > improvement. > > For that purpose I have a few question prepared and would be very happy > if you support me answering these questions in order to complete my > survey and the thesis resulting on them... > > 1. Who is allowed to contribute to the source code? > > 2. Which criteria need to be fulfilled to contribute? > > 3. What control mechanisms exist to check which code gets into the > productive system? > > 4. How is the approval process going on to let people contribute? > > 5. What can be contributed by developers or users? Where is the cut > within the development process (untouched parts of the application)? > > 6. What system is used to contribute? Git? > > 7. Is it possible to develop within the core sourcecode? Change core > functionalities or just fix bugs and create extensions? > > > If you don't like to get mentioned as source within these paper, then > this is no problem! I will only use the given information then and treat > your answers completely anonymous... > > If you have any further question regarding my survey feel free to ask > them anytime. > Best wishes and thank you in advance You might find it of use to review this topic on the en-Forum, where a number of Swedish students posed various questions to the Forum volunteers on the subject of OpenSource programming. http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=105 -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:27:04 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice > >> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big > >> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but > >> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of > >> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just > >> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we > >> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project > >> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a > >> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on > >> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0. > >> > >> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can > >> help us gather and rate ideas: > >> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5 > >> > >> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial > >> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as > >> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking > >> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones. > >> > >> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is > >> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others > >> to rate and comment on it. > >> > > > > This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now. So far, so good. > > The latest stats are: > > > > 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes > > > > Today, a week later: 633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes > > So we are still getting a good amount of feedback. I added a mention > of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header. That > should give this even more visibility. > > I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we > can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to > help set priorities for AOO 4.0. > > Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st? We should close feedback nominaly at end of September. > > At that point we can: > > 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop > accepting new suggestions. Point the users to the ooo-users or > ooo-dev mailing list instead, > > 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and > archive that someplace. This is probably the first step in the analysis of the feedback; many of the suggestions will amalgamate under more general headings, for example, suggestions for better doc/docx support will most probably amalgamate with suggestions for better MS format support. > > 3) Discuss the results received > > 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the > results received? > > Any other ideas? After the analysis process perhaps list the top ten on the Google Moderator site, without committment that they will be progressed into AOO 4.0 > > I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to > finish it. But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please > volunteer. > > Regards, > > -Rob > > > If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth > > taking another look. It is good that all ideas are rated, not just > > the ones that came in early. > > > > Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it > > and start analyzing the results? Or mid October? It would be good to > > wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there. > > > > Regards, > > > > -Rob > > > > > >> Regards, > >> > >> -Rob > -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: BItTorrents -- do we care?
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:13:24 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > I've recently seen a few requests for ability to download AOO via a > torrent. something we do not currently provide. > > I see that OOo did this for legacy versions: > http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/p2p/ > > According to the scripts on this page, it looks like it was run by a > "Mike" in the Netherlands (http://borft.student.utwente.nl/~mike). > > Is this worth doing for AOO? Is this critical for any class of user? > Or just "nice to have"? > > I'm willing to help seed the torrents if we think there is a definite > need for this. We'd want a few other volunteers willing to do this as > well. Of course, ideally we'd have the torrent seeded by an existing > mirror, but that may not be possible. > > -Rob > >From time to time on the Forum there are reports from frustrated posters of >repeated bad downloads; these are usually solved after they are recommended to >switch to a torrent download. Remember that in some areas of the world >communications are still limited to modem downloads over bad lines. If it is >reasonably possible to provide torrents, then we should do so. I'm off line (immediately) for the next week - London for art exhibitions en route to a meeting in Birmingham. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: OpenOffice file loss on crashes
On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:23:33 -0400 TJ Frazier wrote: > On 9/14/2012 05:52, RGB ES wrote: > > 2012/9/14 FR web forum > > > >> Hello, > >> > >>> I strongly suggest that an important alteration to all future releases of > >> AOO > >>> should be a file save protocol whereby at least a version of the file > >> being > >>> edited is saved as a backup file. > >> > >> See this issue: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=111290 > >> > >> Another way will be to modify by default Options > Load/Save > General. > >> Always create backup copy should be checked and Save AutoRecovery take > >> too much time. It shouldn't be 15 min, but 2-3 minutes. > >> > > > > +1. But with a difference: those backup files are saved on the user profile > > folder. That user profile is hidden on all OSs and for most users a hidden > > folder means they will not be able to find the backup file without > > guidance. > > > > Regards > > Ricardo > > > Hi, folks, > > The changes you're suggesting would probably help. But what would help > more is fixing the !#$%* problem! I use Writer heavily, and since 2.0 I > have never seen this bug. However, I run with a big UPS, and *never* > have power failures. AOO should behave gracefully for those. There > should be some way to rig a VM to simulate a power failure for the o/s > (which is much easier on the hardware than testing with actual power > failures). Then maybe the devs can find and fix the bug. > > /tj/ > Most of the subscribers to ooo-dev and many of the other ooo lists are experienced computer users who use their computers with care. They would not ignore a laptop "low power" warning and most probably have a regular backup policy in place. Not so, unfortunately, the ordinary user, for whom the computer is a "magic box"; such a user doesn't know or care how it works, and doesn't understand that the "magic" has limits, especially when confronted by rank stupidity. I agree with tj - I have never seen this bug in five years of heavy Writer use, but as I say above, I'm an experienced user. But working on the en-Forum we regularly see such postings as the one referenced at the start of this thread; we need to protect such users from themselves. There will of course be corner cases where nothing can help (catastrophic HD failure, for example), but OpenOffice should cope with sudden power failure or computer crash, at least to preserving a print of the file in its last opened state. The problem is that a crash often erases the last opened state. It should not do this. -- Rory O'Farrell
OpenOffice file loss on crashes
Another case reported on the Forum this morning http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=56285 I strongly suggest that an important alteration to all future releases of AOO should be a file save protocol whereby at least a version of the file being edited is saved as a backup file. I can recollect when programming in CP/M days (as I rode my dinosaur!) one had to learn how to do this by automatically naming and saving in a specific order; has such protocol been forgotten? -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Confusion between Macs and the rest of the world?
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:44:46 +0200 Raphael Bircher wrote: > Hi > > Am 13.09.12 10:34, schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > > In most implementations of OpenOffice the configuration information is > > accessed through /Tools /Options. On a Mac, this information is accessible > > through Preferences. This other path causes great confusion for Mac users > > when the problem advisor does not notice the use of the different operating > > system. > > > > Is there any reason why Macs use that path, and would it be possible to use > > the conventional /Tools /Options path on new builds, instead of, or as well > > as, the usual Preferences path on Macs? > > > Mac has UI Guide Lines who are much stronger then on many other Systems. > One of this Guide line is to keep any settings in the Preferences. It's > on the same places on any Mac Programm. You confuse all experianced Mac > Users, if you change this. > > So a big -100 from my side. > > We should maybe create a Tutorial about the differences. > > Greetings Raphael > Thank you for the explanation, Raphael. Would it be a good idea to provide _as well_ the standard /Tools /Options? Then Mac users would have the best of both worlds! -- Rory O'Farrell
Confusion between Macs and the rest of the world?
In most implementations of OpenOffice the configuration information is accessed through /Tools /Options. On a Mac, this information is accessible through Preferences. This other path causes great confusion for Mac users when the problem advisor does not notice the use of the different operating system. Is there any reason why Macs use that path, and would it be possible to use the conventional /Tools /Options path on new builds, instead of, or as well as, the usual Preferences path on Macs? -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download
On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:10:37 +0200 Raphael Bircher wrote: > Hi Rory > > Am 30.08.12 12:57, schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > > This morning the en-Forum received the following query > > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=55992 > > > > To save you looking it up, the User asked if there would be a torrent > > connection for AOO 3.4.x, as there had been for OOo 3.3 and earlier. > At the Moment no. But it's not the first request for torrent. Torrent > would be also interesting for unofficial Developer builds, to distribute > the load a bit on defferent computer. The problem is: at the Moment we > have no Torrent Tracker. > > But I could ask my brother if he is willing to setup a torrent tracker > for us. He was working on the torrent at the old OOo project. > > I'm willing to host a seeding peer > > Greetings Raphael > > Thank you, Raphael. I'll reply to the query that torrent downloads are under consideration and that I will post further information when/if available. -- Rory O'Farrell
Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download
This morning the en-Forum received the following query http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=55992 To save you looking it up, the User asked if there would be a torrent connection for AOO 3.4.x, as there had been for OOo 3.3 and earlier. -- Rory O'Farrell
Restricted search on Wiki
I note that when I search for OpenOffice information the wiki pages are retured with a comment to the effect that robots.txt limits accessibility. Is this necessary? -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Long Startup Delay
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:47:19 -0500 B G Scott wrote: > I just installed OO 3.4.1 and the package seems to work well. The only > problem noted thus far is that the startup process seems to take an > exceptionally long time. I'm driving a Mac Mini with 2Gb of ram at 2GHz > and have not experienced long startup delays with any other software. > The spinning CD of death is active for so long that I originally thought > the package was hung and did a force-quit. > > Long ago, the same problem occurred under MS Windows because they were > loading _all_ the fonts before opening access to the software instead of > employing a pay-as-you-go approach. Could you be encountering something > similar? Sometimes an abnormal start-up delay is because a file has been printed on a network printer, and OpenOffice is now trying to connect to that printer. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) released
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:26:53 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:44:34 -0400 > > Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > >> > On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:29:57 -0400 > >> > "Maurice Howe" wrote: > >> > > >> >> I use AVG 2012.0.2180 Free Edition > >> >> > >> > I installed AOO 3.4.1 on one of my Windows machines today and AVG didn't > >> > complain. I'll check in detail tomorrow when the machine is awake - > >> > near midnight here and I'm closing down. It is often the case that new > >> > OpenOffice releases trigger false positives from virus scanners. > >> > -- > >> > >> I put AVG free version on an XP VM, updated virus signatures, > >> installed AOO 3.4.1 Windows en-US from the website and did a full > >> scan. No issues reported. > >> > >> So if Maurice was indeed getting an AV hit, that suggests he might > >> actually have something, either preexisting on his machine, or from > >> downloading AOO from another website. If it were really a false > >> positive, wouldn't we be seeing it as well? > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >> > Rory O'Farrell >> > > > > I'm sure we would all be seeing a warning if there was an intrinsic problem > > in the compiled code. Normal reaction from Volunteers on en-Forum is that > > a virus/malware warning on a new release of OpenOffice from the approved > > download sites is a false positive and I think so it has always proved; > > with the transition to Apache special care is needed until the AOO releases > > become well established, lest there be adverse publicity/comment. > > > > It would be helpful if Maurice could tell us the URL of the download site, > > the actual file name and size. > > > > I finally found the image attachment that Maurice sent out originally. > It said of the download, it "is not commonly downloaded and could > harm your computer'". > > So this was not a false negative but part of the "reputation-based" > mechanisms that AV's are starting to use. They look at a variety > factors, including the age of the EXE and how many other users have > installed it. If the program is new and not well known, then you will > get warnings like this. The warnings go away over time. The only way > to prevent them initially is to have your code be signed, or to > whitelist your hashes in advance with the AV vendor. > > -Rob > > > > -- > > Rory O'Farrell > I've just seen on Forum a similar report, originating from an installed McAfee. I reassured the User, who downloaded and installed, with no further gripes reported from McAfee. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [Discuss] Triage of Brainstorming
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:49:02 -0700 Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Aug 24, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > >> > >> In due course, when we've all had a little rest after the release of AOO > >> 3.4.1, it will be necessary to do some triage work on the Brainstorming, > >> so that the most requested changes make their way onto the planning table > >> for AOO 4.0. Many of the suggestions can be amalgamated, for example > >> improved doc/docx, xls/xlsx etc support; within reason these can all be > >> amalgamated into "improved support for MS Office formats, current and > >> legacy". Other suggestions are readily achievable by existing faciites in > >> OpenOffice; such requests might indicate need for better education of > >> Users or more accessible documentation/tutorials. > >> > >> Supposing that the Brainstorm is continued beyond AOO 4.0, should we prune > >> it in the light of whatever choices are made for AOO 4.0; should we also > >> register comments against some of the already readily achievable > >> functions, to give pointers to (say) the Forums and/or tutorials which > >> indicate how to do that function? > >> > >> Could we have some discussion on how best to analyse and progress the > >> current nearly 300 suggestions [as of date of posting) > >> > > > > We're getting a lot more feedback than I expected: 305 people have > > submitted 284 ideas and cast 3,106 votes. > > > > IMHO, this is wonderful. In some sense the voting process itself > > helps triage, especially if project members are also submitting ideas > > and voting, which I hope we all are. > > Not all of us have the time. > > > > I like your idea of combining closely related or duplicate ideas. > > Maybe in the end we could promote a "top 10" list of ideas, in a blog > > post, and collect also commentary from project members related to > > these top 10 ideas. > > I think that coming back to ooo-dev with "Top" ideas is appropriate. One of my concerns was that the multiple requests for similar features/support might cause these to drop off the radar as their voting would be too fragmented. Hence my suggestion that we consider amalgamation of closely related suggestions; the coding for one specific suggestion might easily expand to cover the coding necessary for a particular range. Hence the need for some form of triage to make best use of coding resources. > > > > > Another approach would be to take the top ideas and use them as > > additional input to a survey design that Kevin and Graham were looking > > into. We could take the top 10 (or 20) ideas and in the survey ask > > users to rate them. > > FYI - The ASF Board has created a new TLP called Apache Steve which will > expose the Voting mechanism used by the ASF membership. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > > That help us get around the natural bias of Google Moderator, which is > > that ideas submitted first will get more votes because they've had > > more time to be voted on. > > > > Regards, > > > > -Rob > > > >> -- > >> Rory O'Farrell > > -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) released
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:44:34 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:29:57 -0400 > > "Maurice Howe" wrote: > > > >> I use AVG 2012.0.2180 Free Edition > >> > > I installed AOO 3.4.1 on one of my Windows machines today and AVG didn't > > complain. I'll check in detail tomorrow when the machine is awake - near > > midnight here and I'm closing down. It is often the case that new > > OpenOffice releases trigger false positives from virus scanners. > > -- > > I put AVG free version on an XP VM, updated virus signatures, > installed AOO 3.4.1 Windows en-US from the website and did a full > scan. No issues reported. > > So if Maurice was indeed getting an AV hit, that suggests he might > actually have something, either preexisting on his machine, or from > downloading AOO from another website. If it were really a false > positive, wouldn't we be seeing it as well? > > -Rob > > > Rory O'Farrell I'm sure we would all be seeing a warning if there was an intrinsic problem in the compiled code. Normal reaction from Volunteers on en-Forum is that a virus/malware warning on a new release of OpenOffice from the approved download sites is a false positive and I think so it has always proved; with the transition to Apache special care is needed until the AOO releases become well established, lest there be adverse publicity/comment. It would be helpful if Maurice could tell us the URL of the download site, the actual file name and size. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Extension downloading problem
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:17:57 +0100 Rory O'Farrell wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:12:58 +0200 > Joost Andrae wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I just checked the Writer2Epub v1.1.7 extension on the extension site. > > The extension downloads correctly with oxt file extension. > > > > It is correct that from technical view an oxt file is a zip archive > > containing all content needed to install as an extension into Apache > > OpenOffice. > > > > Am 24.08.2012 15:00, schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > > > On the en-Forum I have seen a number of reports of downloading problems. > > > Today there was this report > > > " I tried to download and install the ePub 1.1.17 extension. A zip file > > > filled with various folders containing all kinds of files is downloaded. > > > Nothing that looks like an installer. How do I install this extension? > > > When a program is offered to me in the shape of a zip file full of > > > different files, I never know what to do with it, to be honest." > > > > > > I suggested this might be a browser problem, as some browsers (definitely > > > IE in some versions, there may be others) rename the OpenOffice > > > extensions silently to type .zip. > > > > > > The user renamed the .zip to .oxt and it installed correctly. He then > > > send me the following additional comment > > > "Thanks! I download the Dutch Spelling Checker and it also arrived in the > > > shape of a zip file. Now I've renamed them both and they both snapped > > > into being .oxt files. Perhaps this trick should be mentioned on the > > > Extensions "Introductory Page"? It must be a problem for many users." > > > > > > I have asked what browser he is using and will post that detail when > > > available. But in the meantime I think his suggestion of a mention of > > > this problem on the Extensions page is valid and worthwhile. > > > > > > > Kind regards, Joost > > > > > I am certain the download page is correct as to the extension. The change to > zip seems to depend on the browser in use. I know that some earlier version > of IE did this, without notification. When I get further information I'll > post it to this thread. Most of the active members of this list will use a > browser of choice rather than a default browser, and will also update it, so > won't be aware of this problem with some older browser. > > > -- > Rory O'Farrell > I understand that this problem comes from IE8. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Extension downloading problem
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:12:58 +0200 Joost Andrae wrote: > Hi, > > I just checked the Writer2Epub v1.1.7 extension on the extension site. > The extension downloads correctly with oxt file extension. > > It is correct that from technical view an oxt file is a zip archive > containing all content needed to install as an extension into Apache > OpenOffice. > > Am 24.08.2012 15:00, schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > > On the en-Forum I have seen a number of reports of downloading problems. > > Today there was this report > > " I tried to download and install the ePub 1.1.17 extension. A zip file > > filled with various folders containing all kinds of files is downloaded. > > Nothing that looks like an installer. How do I install this extension? When > > a program is offered to me in the shape of a zip file full of different > > files, I never know what to do with it, to be honest." > > > > I suggested this might be a browser problem, as some browsers (definitely > > IE in some versions, there may be others) rename the OpenOffice extensions > > silently to type .zip. > > > > The user renamed the .zip to .oxt and it installed correctly. He then send > > me the following additional comment > > "Thanks! I download the Dutch Spelling Checker and it also arrived in the > > shape of a zip file. Now I've renamed them both and they both snapped into > > being .oxt files. Perhaps this trick should be mentioned on the Extensions > > "Introductory Page"? It must be a problem for many users." > > > > I have asked what browser he is using and will post that detail when > > available. But in the meantime I think his suggestion of a mention of this > > problem on the Extensions page is valid and worthwhile. > > > > Kind regards, Joost > > I am certain the download page is correct as to the extension. The change to zip seems to depend on the browser in use. I know that some earlier version of IE did this, without notification. When I get further information I'll post it to this thread. Most of the active members of this list will use a browser of choice rather than a default browser, and will also update it, so won't be aware of this problem with some older browser. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: How many AOO 3.4.1 downloads?
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:45:18 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > > > Rob > > > > Might we have a count of AOO 3.4.1 downloads in first 24 hours? No need > > for fancy graphics - a list would be OK. > > > > First, you need to know that the SF numbers are daily numbers, and > based on a UTC day. Since we announced mid-day on the 23rd (UTC) that > means that the stats for that day include a large portion of the day > when 3.4.1 had not been announced, and when 3.4.1 was not linked to > from the website. So I wouldn't read too much into that initial day. > We'll know better by looking at next week's numbers. > > So given those caveats here's what I see, giving a other Thursday's in > August as a comparison, since we have a strong day-of-week pattern to > our downloads: > > August 2nd: 113469 > August 9th: 107397 > August 16th: 109834 > > And the day where AOO 3.4.1 was announced mid-day: > > August 23rd: 145146 > > So a 30% boost, which is rather good. I expect it will be even better > when we can look at full-day. Thanks. This is most useful - we might expect a similar increase in Forum traffic, although perhaps timeshifted. -- Rory O'Farrell
Extension downloading problem
On the en-Forum I have seen a number of reports of downloading problems. Today there was this report " I tried to download and install the ePub 1.1.17 extension. A zip file filled with various folders containing all kinds of files is downloaded. Nothing that looks like an installer. How do I install this extension? When a program is offered to me in the shape of a zip file full of different files, I never know what to do with it, to be honest." I suggested this might be a browser problem, as some browsers (definitely IE in some versions, there may be others) rename the OpenOffice extensions silently to type .zip. The user renamed the .zip to .oxt and it installed correctly. He then send me the following additional comment "Thanks! I download the Dutch Spelling Checker and it also arrived in the shape of a zip file. Now I've renamed them both and they both snapped into being .oxt files. Perhaps this trick should be mentioned on the Extensions "Introductory Page"? It must be a problem for many users." I have asked what browser he is using and will post that detail when available. But in the meantime I think his suggestion of a mention of this problem on the Extensions page is valid and worthwhile. -- Rory O'Farrell
How many AOO 3.4.1 downloads?
Rob Might we have a count of AOO 3.4.1 downloads in first 24 hours? No need for fancy graphics - a list would be OK. -- Rory O'Farrell
[Discuss] Triage of Brainstorming
In due course, when we've all had a little rest after the release of AOO 3.4.1, it will be necessary to do some triage work on the Brainstorming, so that the most requested changes make their way onto the planning table for AOO 4.0. Many of the suggestions can be amalgamated, for example improved doc/docx, xls/xlsx etc support; within reason these can all be amalgamated into "improved support for MS Office formats, current and legacy". Other suggestions are readily achievable by existing faciites in OpenOffice; such requests might indicate need for better education of Users or more accessible documentation/tutorials. Supposing that the Brainstorm is continued beyond AOO 4.0, should we prune it in the light of whatever choices are made for AOO 4.0; should we also register comments against some of the already readily achievable functions, to give pointers to (say) the Forums and/or tutorials which indicate how to do that function? Could we have some discussion on how best to analyse and progress the current nearly 300 suggestions [as of date of posting) -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) released
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:31:05 +0100 sebb wrote: > On 24 August 2012 09:20, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:01:42 -0400 > > "Maurice Howe" wrote: > > > >> Got a warning msg that your product was unsafe, so I deleted the download. > >> Here's the msg. > > > > > > I have this morning scanned my Windows XP computer on which is installed > > yesterday's release of AOO 3.4.1 using AVG Free edition 2012.0.2197 (this > > morning's update) at the most detailed settings and it has received a clean > > bill of health. > > > > The question that might arise in connection with the original post is that > > of the filename/download site; if it is from a legitimate (i.e. Apache > > controlled site) there should be no worries. > > > > It was in the past not unusual for new releases of OOo to give false > > positives on many virus scanners - the hooks for online updating registered > > sometimes as poentialy unwanted programs/possible trojans. > > > > As another poster (Dan?) pointed out, it is possible to check the Md5Sums > > of the downloaded file against the MD5Sum list on the Apache site, to be > > certain that it is exactly the file prepared and released by Apache. If > > these sums check out then all should be well. > > AIUI that's not possible to be *certain* that the file is identical [1]. > Hashes are fine for checking that a download has not been > corrupted/truncated in transit, because the chance of a hash collision > in such a case is vanishingly small. > > But they are not generally considered sufficiently robust to *prove* > that the download is what it appears to be. > It is theoretically possible to create two different downloads with > the same hash. > > Obviously if the hash check fails, then there is a problem, but a > successful check does not provide 100% proof. > > Checking the detached signature for the download is much more secure, > but is of course a bit harder to do. > > [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/release-signing#secure-hash-algorithms > > > -- > > Rory O'Farrell > I'm not doubting your remarks above about the possibility of duplicate hashes, but for most purposes the hash check is probably sufficient. In any event, the timescale involved of some few hours after release would make the possibility of a rogue hash matching file quite remote (I hope!). -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) released
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:01:42 -0400 "Maurice Howe" wrote: > Got a warning msg that your product was unsafe, so I deleted the download. > Here's the msg. I have this morning scanned my Windows XP computer on which is installed yesterday's release of AOO 3.4.1 using AVG Free edition 2012.0.2197 (this morning's update) at the most detailed settings and it has received a clean bill of health. The question that might arise in connection with the original post is that of the filename/download site; if it is from a legitimate (i.e. Apache controlled site) there should be no worries. It was in the past not unusual for new releases of OOo to give false positives on many virus scanners - the hooks for online updating registered sometimes as poentialy unwanted programs/possible trojans. As another poster (Dan?) pointed out, it is possible to check the Md5Sums of the downloaded file against the MD5Sum list on the Apache site, to be certain that it is exactly the file prepared and released by Apache. If these sums check out then all should be well. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Misleading header on download pages for AOO 3.4.1
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:52:45 +0200 "Marcus (OOo)" wrote: > Am 08/24/2012 12:27 AM, schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > > On the en-Forum we have received the following message > > "The download page http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html says the > > Windows version is an MSI file, but what I download is an EXE." > > > > I have replied pointing out that the MSI is contained in the EXE, but > > perhaps this misleading header ought be fixed. > > Good hint. The table header should indicate which file type the user is > going to download. > > I've changed the table headers and also the green box on the inital > download webpage should show now "Windows (EXE)". > > Good night > > Marcus > > Thank you, Marcus. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) released
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:29:57 -0400 "Maurice Howe" wrote: > I use AVG 2012.0.2180 Free Edition > I installed AOO 3.4.1 on one of my Windows machines today and AVG didn't complain. I'll check in detail tomorrow when the machine is awake - near midnight here and I'm closing down. It is often the case that new OpenOffice releases trigger false positives from virus scanners. -- Rory O'Farrell
Misleading header on download pages for AOO 3.4.1
On the en-Forum we have received the following message "The download page http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html says the Windows version is an MSI file, but what I download is an EXE." I have replied pointing out that the MSI is contained in the EXE, but perhaps this misleading header ought be fixed. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:33:13 -0700 Dave Fisher wrote: > I'm not comfortable having a PMC Chair election and nomination on ooo-dev. > > I also agree that we should form the PMC membership first. > > Regards, > Dave > > On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > > I suggest that the initial Project Management Committee (PMC) needs to be > > identified before the election of a Chair from that body is undertaken. > > > > Also, this seems like a very good time to review, for the benefit of all > > here, what the duties of PMC members are and, with respect to that, what > > the specific responsibilities of the Chair are and what the special > > standing of the Chair is so its accountability can be carried out. > > > > - Dennis > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:36 > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Subject: [DISCUSS] Proposed PMC Chair nomination process > > > > Now that the community graduation ballot has passed, one of our next > > tasks is to identify a PMC Chair. > > > > You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: > > http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair > > > > How do we want to do this? > > > > A strawman proposal: > > > > 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate > > someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course > > nominations can be declined. > > > > 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there > > are no sustained objections. > > > > 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for > > another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some > > subjects might be directed to ooo-private. > > > > 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees > > then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes > > would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates we > > would probably need to use a more complicated voting system, or have a > > run-off vote if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. > > > > Any improvements or alternatives to this basic scheme? > > > > Regards, > > > > -Rob > > > > This seems to be a "chicken and egg" situation. Normally a committee will elect a Chair from its membership. If a Chair is imposed from outside, either by specific election or appointment by a governing body, then is he a full member of the committee, with all rights and privileges of membership? Take a theoretical case - a chair is specifically elected or appointed; he is extra to the committee. Then, for reasons of health say, he decides he can not continue to act as chair; does he lose his position on the committee or does he remain on the committee, increasing its number by one over the statutory structure? One could see this process repeating to "pack" the committee with extra members over and above the statutory structure. Does the procedure for appointing a chair start again, with a new chair elected or nominated? It seems to me, wih many years of commttee work behind me, that one first needs to elect the committee, who then, from their number, nominate a candidate or ca ndidates for chair. These nominees are either filtered out by an election process (whether of the committee or of the wider membership of the association, depending on the rules) until a sole person remains. If the governing body have reservations about the suitability of any candidate, the time for these to be expressed is before the filtration process, and preferably privately before the list of candidates is issued publicly. My remarks above are general, not based on any existing rules of any specific organisation. I'm trying to show what seems to me the necessary logic. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: update on the current status ...
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:24:43 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Jürgen Schmidt > > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> as the so called release manager I would like to give an update where we > >> are with the release and the final release preparation. > >> > >> You all know we passed the PPMC and IPMC vote successful, the first > >> important step towards our release. > >> > >> The second important step is the final preparation what I would call the > >> release publishing process. This include updates of the download page > >> and several other pages that are related to the release. Preparing a > >> blog, the release notes etc. and reviewing this. > >> > >> We did a good job here as team and many many hands were involved to put > >> everything together. I have also finished my final last minute tests and > >> think we are done. Based on the collected info and feedback from all of > >> you and my own tests I would say we are done and ready . > >> > >> We can go live and can publish everything that is in our pipeline!!! > >> > >> Potential minor problems can be addressed on the fly ;-) > >> > >> I would like to say thank you to all of you for your hard work and the > >> patience with me and too many and too fast prepared snapshot builds and > >> potential RC's. The good thing is we learned again some things and can > >> improve the lessons we learned in the future. > >> > >> But again thank you very much to all of you for the hard work. > >> > >> Let's go public now! > >> > > > > Website is published and blog posted: > > > > https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/announcing_apache_openoffice_3_41 > > > > Do we have some volunteers to help spread the news? > > > > Facebook. Twitter, identi.ca, Google+, ooo-announce, ooo-dev, > > ooo-users, forum, etc. > > > > Raphael took care of Facebook. I did the mailing lists and Twitter. > > -Rob > > > -Rb > > > >> Juergen > >> > Announced on the en-Forum and by PM to the Volunteers. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Easy Crashing with 3.4.1 RC2
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:49:15 +0800 imacat wrote: > On 2012/8/23 03:20pm, Rory O'Farrell said: > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:00:52 +0200 > > Raphael Bircher wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> Is this a random crash that you add no more informations. I tested it on > >> mac without any problem. > >> > >> Greetings Raphael > >> > >> Am 23.08.12 08:57, schrieb imacat: > >>> Dear all, > >>> > >>> I've been using 3.4.1 since last Friday. It became very easy to > >>> crash. I'm not sure if this is a local problem or not. Has anyone > >>> experience the same issue with me? > >>> > >>> I'm still diagnotise. I hope this is only a local problem. > >>> > > > > Have you tried the usual first course with OpenOffice, namely renaming your > > User Profile, or logging on as a different User, so as to iuse a default > > profile? > > Hmm... This worth a try. I was not reminded of it. I shall come > back later. > > My OSs are Windows 7, Debian Squeeze, Fedora 17, openSUSE 12.1, etc. > > > > > Also, please let us know your Operating System. > > > I have 3.4.1 running on Ubuntu 11.10. My use is mainly for text editing, but I have done very little of that in the past few days; I have had no crashes. Personal experience and reports on the User Forum indicate that the default startup User Profile can sometimes be corrupt, even on "clean" (i.e, no previous OO) installs. We on the Forum know that a very large proportion of OpenOffice problems can be cured by using a new User Profile. In the case of an advanced user, with much customisation in the profile, it is possible to rename the old profile and later bring forward components individually to the new profile until the bad component is isolated. Life is not long enough for this, in my opinion! -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Easy Crashing with 3.4.1 RC2
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:00:52 +0200 Raphael Bircher wrote: > Hi > > Is this a random crash that you add no more informations. I tested it on > mac without any problem. > > Greetings Raphael > > Am 23.08.12 08:57, schrieb imacat: > > Dear all, > > > > I've been using 3.4.1 since last Friday. It became very easy to > > crash. I'm not sure if this is a local problem or not. Has anyone > > experience the same issue with me? > > > > I'm still diagnotise. I hope this is only a local problem. > > Have you tried the usual first course with OpenOffice, namely renaming your User Profile, or logging on as a different User, so as to iuse a default profile? Also, please let us know your Operating System. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:24:31 +0200 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 8/22/12 4:03 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote: > > Agreed, Moderator is a great tool to rank our ideas. > > 196 people have submitted 164 ideas and cast 1,852 votes until now > > Juergen > > > > > On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 , Rob Weir wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Shenfeng Liu > >> > > >> wrote: > >>> Back to the topic... :) The page looks great! I submitted 1 UI proposal > >> and > >>> voted for some others... > >>> > >> > >> So far: 117 people have submitted 103 ideas and cast 902 votes > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >>> - Simon > >>> > >>> > >>> 2012/8/22 Rob Weir > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice > >>>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future. A big > >>>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0. That once seemed so very far away, but > >>>> 2013 is getting closer every day. Will it be a large collection of > >>>> small ideas? Will it have a major overarching theme? Or will it just > >>>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we > >>>> release 4.0? The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project > >>>> members/volunteers decide to do. It is a good time now, as a > >>>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on > >>>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0. > >>>> > >>>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can > >>>> help us gather and rate ideas: > >>>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5 > >>>> > >>>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial > >>>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as > >>>> rate the ideas of others. Try not to censor yourself from thinking > >>>> outside-of-the-box. We need big ideas as well as incremental ones. > >>>> > >>>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is > >>>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others > >>>> to rate and comment on it. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> -Rob When Rob passed the address to this list, I took the liberty of posting it on the User Experience subforum of the en Forum http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=106 so that interested Users might contribute their ideas. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:52:33 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > Per the IPMC's "Guide to Successful Graduation" [1] this is the > optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our > willingness/readiness to govern ourselves. If this vote passes then > we continue by drafting a charter, submitting it for IPMC endorsement, > and then to the ASF Board for final approval. Details can be found > in the "Guide to Successful Graduation". > > Everyone in the community is encouraged to vote. Votes from PPMC > members and Mentors are binding. This vote will run 72-hours. > > > [ ] +1 Apache OpenOffice community is ready to graduate from the > Apache Incubator. > [ ] +0 Don't care. > [ ] -1 Apache OpenOffice community is not ready to graduate from the > Apache Incubator because... +1 Apache OpenOffice community is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: For AOO 3.5: rectify an omission in AOO 3.4
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:16:36 +0100 Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > In AOO 3.4 Impress and Draw, it is possible to name a slide/page. Such names > are shown in Navigator, but are omitted on the Pages pane. They were > available in earlier OOo versions (prob 3.3, but I can't check as I have no > running OOo 3.3 or earlier) and can be useful at various times in Handouts, > Slide Sorting, and even in presentation preparation. Could we please have > this reinstated? > > Discussion at > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=55711 This may possibly be associated with bug https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=42866 -- Rory O'Farrell
For AOO 3.5: rectify an omission in AOO 3.4
In AOO 3.4 Impress and Draw, it is possible to name a slide/page. Such names are shown in Navigator, but are omitted on the Pages pane. They were available in earlier OOo versions (prob 3.3, but I can't check as I have no running OOo 3.3 or earlier) and can be useful at various times in Handouts, Slide Sorting, and even in presentation preparation. Could we please have this reinstated? Discussion at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=55711 -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: NewWikiMainPage
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:47:34 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM, wrote: > > Hello, > > I am trying to determine if there is an OpenOffice equivalent to MS > > Publisher. > > OpenOffice Draw has some desktop publishing features. You could try > that. Or depending on your needs another open source option is > Scribus: > > http://www.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus > > Regards, > > -Rob > > > Thank you, > > Anne K, > It depends how complex your DTP needs are. For layout of a book of mostly text, OpenOffice will do a very good job quite easily (Pace typesetting purists!). For more complex layouts with many illustrations/tables etc, reports vary - some succeed, some don't. If you are trying to do cutting edge graphical book layout you should certainly look elsewhere. In any case, a stable computer and a regular backup policy is a necessity. On any substantial work I am doing, I back up morning and evening under time stamped copies. Fortunately I have never had rely on a backup (3500 edits on each of two substabtial works over four years), but there are many reports of work being wiped out at the eleventh hou, for reasons not yet clear. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: current status update
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:56:22 +0200 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to give a short update where we are and what I would like > to propose. > > We had investigated in > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120476 - Inserting a slide > in presentation will freeze AOO with clean environment. > > It seemed to be a threading issue in this special scenario where many > things have influence. Bundled extension are using a separate new uno > process the first time the office is started and until the office gets > restarted. We found a fix to prevent the deadlock but the risk is high > to break something else and we looked for an alternative fix. > > We analyzed pre-registered (prereg) extension and tried to prereg the > minimizer and the presenter screen. This worked quite well so far but it > means that both extension are not longer visible in the extension > manager. This is the designed and expected behaviour for prereg > extensions because some "clever" people thought that these extension are > part of the office and can be seen as by default supported features. > > I would like to suggest that we integrate the minimizer and presenter > screen extensions as prereg extensions in AOO 3.4.1. We probably all > agree that both extensions provide useful features that should be > available by default. > > For the future we can think of an integration in the core and drop the > extensions completely to reduce the complexity. But this can be defined > later. > > We do currently some further tests ... > > Juergen As a long term objective, it would be really useful to expand the minimizer so that it minimised Writer documents, targetted for a specific resolution output. Obviously this is not something that could happen overnight, but I suggest it as a worthwhile extension. Such a module might be shared between Writer and Impress, so might not add much bulk. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: current status
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:47:39 +0200 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 8/6/12 12:30 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:10:00 -0300 > > Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > > > >> Hi Jürgen, * > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 11:36:01AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> we have currently 2 issues that need further investigation > >>> > >>> - print problem with multiple pages > >>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120464 > >>> I can't reproduce it on MacOS but reproducable on Windows and others > >>> confirmed Linux as well > >>> > >>> - documents with password can't be loaded. This seems to be Linux only > >>> problem because we can't reproduce it on MacOS and Windows (clean builds > >>> on rev. 1369110) > >> > >> > >> I assume it's a 64 bits only issue (it happens that we support 64 bits > >> only in Linux), I base my assumption in the following: > >> > >> - I can't reproduce it on Ubuntu 10.4 32 bits > >> - I can reproduce it on > >> - Ubuntu 10.4 64 bits > >> - Fedora 1764 bits > >> - Josef reproduced it on Ubuntu 12.04 64 bits > >> - Rory couldn't reproduce it on Ubuntu 11.10 32 bits > >> > >> > >> This can't be a build bug: I made a full clean build (and just for > >> testing once again, I rebuilt it just now, and is still reproducible). > > > > I've just installed rev. 1369110 on a dual boot machine (Ubuntu 11.10 32 > > bit and Windows XP 32 bit). Working to the same printer, Ubuntu printed the > > four pages of the test file correctly, Windows printed the first page, > > followed by three blank pages (correct page count). I tried Windows > > printing to page 1-4, with same result. But if I tell it to print in > > reverse order, it prints all pages! It will also print any page selected > > by number. Having done all that, it still will only print page 1 followed > > by three blank pages if I tell it to print "all". > > > > So Ubuntu 11:10 32bit passes > > Windows XP 32 bit fails > > > > build 9110 contains no fix for both described issues above. > > - the print problem is analyzed and already fixed, it will be in the > next snapshot > > - the password problem is under investigation ... > 64 bit only problem sounds reasonable but we have to check what's going > wrong. As soon as next snapshot builds are available I'll check the 32bit Windows printing. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: current status
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:10:00 -0300 Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > Hi Jürgen, * > > On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 11:36:01AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > we have currently 2 issues that need further investigation > > > > - print problem with multiple pages > > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120464 > > I can't reproduce it on MacOS but reproducable on Windows and others > > confirmed Linux as well > > > > - documents with password can't be loaded. This seems to be Linux only > > problem because we can't reproduce it on MacOS and Windows (clean builds > > on rev. 1369110) > > > I assume it's a 64 bits only issue (it happens that we support 64 bits > only in Linux), I base my assumption in the following: > > - I can't reproduce it on Ubuntu 10.4 32 bits > - I can reproduce it on > - Ubuntu 10.4 64 bits > - Fedora 1764 bits > - Josef reproduced it on Ubuntu 12.04 64 bits > - Rory couldn't reproduce it on Ubuntu 11.10 32 bits > > > This can't be a build bug: I made a full clean build (and just for > testing once again, I rebuilt it just now, and is still reproducible). I've just installed rev. 1369110 on a dual boot machine (Ubuntu 11.10 32 bit and Windows XP 32 bit). Working to the same printer, Ubuntu printed the four pages of the test file correctly, Windows printed the first page, followed by three blank pages (correct page count). I tried Windows printing to page 1-4, with same result. But if I tell it to print in reverse order, it prints all pages! It will also print any page selected by number. Having done all that, it still will only print page 1 followed by three blank pages if I tell it to print "all". So Ubuntu 11:10 32bit passes Windows XP 32 bit fails -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [RELEASE][3.4.1]: current status
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:36:01 +0200 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > Hi, > > we have currently 2 issues that need further investigation > > - print problem with multiple pages > https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120464 > I can't reproduce it on MacOS but reproducable on Windows and others > confirmed Linux as well > > - documents with password can't be loaded. This seems to be Linux only > problem because we can't reproduce it on MacOS and Windows (clean builds > on rev. 1369110) > > Both problems seems to be regression issues and we analyzing the problems. > > The latest available snapshot is based on 1369110 and should be used for > any further testing. > > I will keep you informed. An important point, Jürgen: rev. 1369110 can save and open passworded files. It is legacy passworded files that do not open, as I understand it. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: From 3.2.1 to OpenOffice 3.4
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:56:36 +0800 (SGT) aseem sharma wrote: > not able to download after few minuets showing error. > > --- On Sun, 5/8/12, aseem sharma wrote: > > >From: aseem sharma > Subject: From 3.2.1 to OpenOffice 3.4 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Date: Sunday, 5 August, 2012, 1:01 PM > > Dear Development Team members, > I am having open office 3.2.1. After instillation massage showing update. Now > start updating 3.4 it showing 145MB / 11 hrs to download. 11Hrs > for downloading is very big time,not able to download for personal use. For > cooperate office is OK team can do it. > It should not be take more than few minutes to download & instillation. Do > some improvement on it. > Thanks Aseem > Sharma If you have slow download speeds because of poor Internet connection, you should use a P2P (torrent) option to download. If you can get the 145 MB file from a corporate downloa, trabsfer it to your personal machine by USB stick or by CD, and install it there. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: What to say in AOO 3.4.1 release announcement about the ports? (BSD, Solaris, OS/2)?
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:36:48 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > I'm drafting the 3.4.1 release announcement blog post. I have a > bullet list where I highlight what is in 3.4.1. I list what platforms > are supported, mention the Windows 8 compatibility improvements, and > then follow with this bullet item: > > "Community members are also working on BSD, Solaris and OS/2 ports, > with plans to release these outside of Apache." > > Is this accurate and worth saying? Would it make sense to also > include links for each of these ports, where the reader can go for > more information? > > Although these are not Apache releases, they are part of the close > ecosystem, with developers working directly in our project to support > these ports. So I think there is some logic to mentioning them in the > release announcement. But work that happens entirely outside of the > project, like portable applications versions, would not get a mention. > > Does this seem fair and appropriate? > > If we agree to do this, I'll need a link for each of BSD, Solaris and > OS/2, for more information. > > The alternative would be to not mention the ports at all. > It would be worthwhile to mention a download count for AOO 3.4.0 and/or a download rate of so many per day. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: how to open
On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:45:33 -0500 Ann Harris wrote: > I wanted to download open office.org and followed the instructions to > download. I want to be able to use a version of Word. I don't see anything > to open. > Could you please help? > Ann Double click on the downloaded file to cause it to install. After that it should show up on your Programs menu. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Announcement: OpenOffice at ApacheCon Europe: Call for Papers now Open!
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:27:28 +0200 RGB ES wrote: > 2012/7/26 Rob Weir : > > More details in the blog post here: > > > > http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_conference_within_a > > > > We welcome paper proposals, not only from project members, but also > > from the larger community. User stories, adoption/migration > > experience, extension and solution demos, etc., are all welcome. > > > > (Can someone post a sticky link to the blog post on the Forums as well?) > > > > I just published a short notice on EN forums(1) but I'm not moderator > there so I cannot make it sticky. > > Regards > Ricardo > > (1) http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=55333 > > > Regards, > > > > -Rob > I've made it sticky, Ricardo. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Java
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:30:56 +0530 suhail ansari wrote: > OpenOffice should be rewritten in JavaFX Identical post to one from same poster on 5th July 2012. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Should quickstarter be enabled or disabled by default?
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:51:43 + (UTC) Armin Le Grand wrote: > Hi, > > one interesting thing I just stumbled upon; when waiting after the boot > without quickstarter for some time (I left the system unattended after boot > and login for ca. 10 minutes) the first startup of AOO goes down to 8-9 > seconds (without quickstarter!). Maybe Win7 already has some mechanism > which measures which dlls are most used and loads these after some time > when nothing was to do...? I was surprised, I will try to repeat this. > > Armin Le Grand wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > [..] > >> > >> +1 for turn it off by default. > >> > >> About set it on the help menu, there is no relation between help > >> functions and the quickstart so IMO it will be completely out of place > >> there. > >> > >> Most users I know do not even realize that the quickstarter is running > >> and in fact I cannot remember anyone using the right click menu on > >> it... > > > > Just wanted to collect pros and cons, so... > > > > Pros: > > - (p1) Faster first program start after system boot (highly > > system-dependent) > > - (p2) Extra context menus over quickstart icon > > > > Cons: > > - (c1) Uses system memory even when AOO is never used > > - (c2) System boot takes longer > > - (c3) Code complexity is higher, more stuff to maintain > > - (c4) Installation problems/conflicts with running quickstarter > > - (c5) Users do not know about it and what it means > > > > If someone knows more, please add these. We should then think about the > > pros and if they are worth it. > > > > p2: I myself never used it, it's hard to say if it is used or not. The > > functionality would be better placed in a system menu (e.g. start menu on > > Win which tries to hold the last used app starts automatically). My guess > > is that it is rarely used. > > > > p1: I rebooted my Win7 a view times to measure (roughly) the difference. > > Opening a test document with standard text as test. Version used is AOO3.4 > > Without quickstarter: > > -booting: > > -first doubleclick on document: 17 seconds > > -Second doubleclick: 1 second or less > > With quickstarter: > > -booting: The tray icons appear asynchonously, but with the 3.4 error > > (office starts) good to detect. the quickstarter boot steals some runitme > > ressources (feels not responsible until fully loaded) > > -first doubleclick on document: 8 seconds > > -Second doubleclick: 1 second or less > > > > I can just guess, but the quickstarter seems to load roughly half of the > > libs needed into memory (17 compared to 8), so it should use roughly 9 secs > > on my system on booting/preparing desktop. > > > > Could others evtl. add numbers for mac and win...? > > > > It shows that the quickstarter still makes the first startup faster on > > todays systems (at least on win7). The original reason to add it was > > (AFAIR) a huge waiting time for first startup (more than 30 secs, years > > ago) which was not tolerable. When looking at Win8 and (as it seems) > > improved startup there (Herbert?) and the problems I would also opt for > > removal for the future. It may also pay to invest time in further reduce > > startup time tha in keeping the quickstarter alive. > > > > It would be interesting to get infos about the behaviour on other systems > > (I would guess quickstarter is most useful on Win anyways...?). > > > >> Regards > >> Ricardo > > > > > > -- > ALG > > Armin: as far as I remember, Windows will remove any previously loaded DLL files from memory after about 10 minutes of un-use. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: open office
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:03:58 +1000 Ian MacDonald wrote: > i had open office and started pressing anything and every thing i could in > order to get an update and somewhere along the line i got a new open office > now called appache not mancon but now the old files wont open so how do i make > my letters fixed up so i can read mod and send them. it says cant open > > -- > Thankyou in Advance for your time and consideration. > ianjamesmacdon...@telstra.com Can you open Apache OpenOffice (which is the successor to Oracle OpenOffice), and using /File /Open open one of your previous files? What format were they saved in? This is told by the three letter extension appended to the file name. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: open office
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:03:58 +1000 Ian MacDonald wrote: > i had open office and started pressing anything and every thing i could in > order to get an update and somewhere along the line i got a new open office > now called appache not mancon but now the old files wont open so how do i make > my letters fixed up so i can read mod and send them. it says cant open > > -- > Thankyou in Advance for your time and consideration. > ianjamesmacdon...@telstra.com Can you open Apache OpenOffice (which is the successor to Oracle OpenOffice), and using /File /Open open one of your previous files? What format were they saved in? This is told by the three letter extension appended to the file name. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [RELEAASE][3.4.1]: propose the next build for 3.4.1 based on revision 1364583
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:21:32 +0800 Yan Ji wrote: > Thanks for your clarify. we will also verify the language pack. > > I notice that the RC build is now available. But same as previous build, I > cannot download Windows build. It saids: 403 Forbidden. Would you please help > check the file permission? > > > > Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji > > On Jul 24, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > > > On 7/24/12 3:24 AM, Ji Yan wrote: > >> Jurgen, > >> > >> Will this build provide language pack? > >> > >> 2012/7/24 Ariel Constenla-Haile > >> > >>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 05:41:57PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >>>>>>> To avoid potential confusion this build is intended to become > >>> released > >>>>>>> as AOO3.4.1 if no serious issues will be found. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The related voting procedure will be started when we have the builds > >>>>>>> available. > >>> > >>> Then I guess we should build also language packs, shouldn't we? > >>> > > > > yes, we should build language packs as well. > > > > Sorry for being not clear enough > > > > Juergen > > > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> -- > >>> Ariel Constenla-Haile > >>> La Plata, Argentina > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > It looks as if the entire column of Windows rc candidates does not have correct permissions. I tried four or five in that column ad got 403 Forbidden errors. The Ubuntu candidate D/Led OK. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Another Quickstarter adjustment
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:04:56 +0800 lou ql wrote: > When upgrade on Windows, the installer will kill the quickstarter > automatically without warning. Is this a new feature in AOO 3.4.x? It was not my experience with earlier OOo versions. If the Quickstarter was present in the System Tray under Windows, without OpenOffice running as an application, then one got the message. > > But if upgrade with openoffice running, with the window opening, there will > be a message asks user to close openoffice or quickstarter. Info in this > message can be adjust and remove the quickstarter string? It would be helpful to users (and a least effort temporary fix) to say in the error message that the Quickstarter might be running. As a long term aim the Quickstarter should be autmatically killed by the Installation. > > But for multi-user system, if quickstarter is running by another user, this > warning massage is still needed. > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > > > > A common problem with installation is that it objects to having the > > Quickstarter running. Inexperienced users often are baffled by a message > > to close Openoffice before installation can proceed; they are not aware > > that the Quickstarter may be running in the System tray. Would it be > > possible to modify the Installation procedure so that it automatically > > kills any running Quickstarter? > > > > -- > > Rory O'Farrell > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Lou QingLe -- Rory O'Farrell
Another Quickstarter adjustment
A common problem with installation is that it objects to having the Quickstarter running. Inexperienced users often are baffled by a message to close Openoffice before installation can proceed; they are not aware that the Quickstarter may be running in the System tray. Would it be possible to modify the Installation procedure so that it automatically kills any running Quickstarter? -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:17:28 -0700 "Dennis E. Hamilton" wrote: > The following text is boilerplate on the model that is sent to all who are > invited to be committers on AOOi. It is derived from a model document that > is to be found on the Apache site: > > Hello , > > The Apache OpenOffice Podling Project Management Committee (PPMC) > hereby offers you committer rights to the project ... . > > Being a committer enables you to more easily make changes without > needing to go through the patch submission process. This applies > not only to the code base but other project areas, such as the > web sites. ... > > Being a committer does not require you to participate any more > than you already do. It does tend to make one even more committed. > You will probably find that you spend more time here. > > That same text was in the invitation that Hagar received from the PPMC on > 2012-03-04. > > This is my sole contribution to this thread. I am disappointed that Hagar > left the PPMC. > > - Dennis > > -Original Message- > >From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 14:42 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) > > - Original Message - > > > From: Rory O'Farrell > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:29 PM > > Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) > > > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:20:02 -0700 (PDT) > > Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > >> If Hagar has a debilitating illness that prevents him from > >> acquiring the requisite skills, let me apologize for asking > >> him to try to do something a normal person on this mailing > >> list can accomplish for themselves. > >> > >> That's the best you're going to get Larry. > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> > From: Larry Gusaas > >> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >> > Cc: > >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:14 PM > >> > Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) > >> > > >> > > >> > On 2012-07-17 3:04 PM Rob Weir wrote: > >> >> Please, everyone. Let's not pile on this thread with more > > name > >> >> calling, etc., in the heat of the moment. > >> >> > >> >> Let's set it aside and see tomorrow if there is anything more > > that > >> >> should be said. We accomplish nothing with rapid-fire, emotional > >> >> responses. > >> > > >> > I will quit responding when Hagar gets the apology he deserves. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > _ > >> > > >> > Larry I. Gusaas > >> > Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada > >> > Website: http://larry-gusaas.com > >> > "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far > > behind > >> > theirs." - Edgard Varese > >> > > >> > > > > I suggest the other Mentors should _urgently review_ this thread and > > consider > > what behaviour is expected from a mentor. > > > > It is unfair to require a volunteer to change his level of committment, or > > to > > Relax- nobody is *requiring* anything of anyone. This is about expected and > model behavior. For reasons that escape me at this point, Hagar was made a > committer on this project, and that comes with certain expectations. > Additionally > there are expectations on how *anyone* subscribed to this mailing list SHOULD > apply > community documentation as it pertains to website maintenance. That is of no > surprise > to anyone either. > > > suggest that he might need (I quote) "a debilitating illness that prevents > > him from acquiring the requisite skills." If he has not the time or the > > inclination to extend his role, that is sufficient. > > It was, at the end of the day, a *challenge* to either accept or pass on. > Expect > there to be more of them when others approach this mailing list with bug > reports > about web pages, because we want people to use the tools provided by the org > to > fix those bugs themselves. Will everyone comply? Of course not. This is > just > the first example of that- pity it's coming from a committer. > > Many of you do not realise that the boiler plate quoted is _permissive_ not _compulsory_. There is no obligation on any committer to advance his involvement with the project more than his circumstances enable him to offer. This argument arose because Hagar was unfairly and ungraciously told that he should do just that. The much vaunted "Apache Way" seems to be subject to very selective interpretation! -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Joe Schaefer wrote: > If Hagar has a debilitating illness that prevents him from > acquiring the requisite skills, let me apologize for asking > him to try to do something a normal person on this mailing > list can accomplish for themselves. > > That's the best you're going to get Larry. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Larry Gusaas > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:14 PM > > Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) > > > > > > On 2012-07-17 3:04 PM Rob Weir wrote: > >> Please, everyone. Let's not pile on this thread with more name > >> calling, etc., in the heat of the moment. > >> > >> Let's set it aside and see tomorrow if there is anything more that > >> should be said. We accomplish nothing with rapid-fire, emotional > >> responses. > > > > I will quit responding when Hagar gets the apology he deserves. > > > > -- > > _ > > > > Larry I. Gusaas > > Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada > > Website: http://larry-gusaas.com > > "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind > > theirs." - Edgard Varese > > > I suggest the other Mentors should _urgently review_ this thread and consider what behaviour is expected from a mentor. It is unfair to require a volunteer to change his level of committment, or to suggest that he might need (I quote) "a debilitating illness that prevents him from acquiring the requisite skills." If he has not the time or the inclination to extend his role, that is sufficient. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:54:29 -0600 Larry Gusaas wrote: > > On 2012-07-17 2:38 PM Joe Schaefer wrote: > >> > >> From: Hagar Delest > >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:10 PM > >> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) > >> > >> Let's be clear: I don't have the desire to take the effort to do such > >> thing. > >> I volunteer to this project on my free time because I like it. But the deal > >> is that I've to like it. I give my time to help users because I find some > >> fun in it. > >> So I won't engage in things that bore me. If you can't understand this > >> simple > >> fact, there is no point discussing further. > > Yes you've made that abundantly clear that you find website work boring and > > beneath you. As I've tried to make clear to you, people here who do that > > sort of work on your behalf or provide you with the tools to make that work > > less boring for you will often find your attitude insulting and degrading > > and > > yes unfun. Others won't mind in the least. Such is life. > > > > > >> If I had not the committer status, would you have asked me to do it myself > >> too? > > Of course I would. Had you been paying attention you would have realized > > that. > > > >> I think not. And again, I'm a committer only because I accepted to report > >> for > >> the forums on the blog (meaning a new account to handle, a new tool and a > >> new responsibility). > > Committer status has nothing to do with blog credentials. > > > > > >> Which is something that I don't greatly enjoy. > >> > >> I accepted the ASF invitation to get more involved in AOO because I > >> thought there > >> would be some interesting development for the future of AOO and it could > >> be fun to > >> contribute to it. But if it means being bashed like that (thinking it > >> would be a good > > thing to report a problem), then no way. You've taken the fun out of it. > > > > > > I haven't attacked you not a single time; I'm not bashing you either. I > > have > > challenged you to increase your level of contribution to this project to > > match > > the expectations of the other participants and committers on this mailing > > list. > > Having said no there's no penalty to pay- nobody's going to strip your karma > > for not trying. The worst thing that will likely happen to you are the > > usual > > social consequences of not meeting the expectations of many of your peers, > > which > > may not bother you either. Different strokes for different folks- there is > > no > > need for further drama here. > > Your attacks on Hagar have been insulting and demeaning. Your use of language > is insulting, > despite your claims otherwise. You need to learn how to encourage people. > > Hagar was a very valuable member of this project. Your mean spirited attacks > have caused him to > resign. > > Congratulations on the wonderful job you are doing as a mentor. Not. > > -- I agree with Larry Gusaas. It is important to remember that many of the participants to this and other projects have real lives with concommitant duties and responsibilities, which we may not wish to divulge publicly. We give freely of our time, as permitted by those requirements; for some (many) things we have not the spare time or leisure to devote, as in this case learning how to edit a Wiki or a web page and/or making corrections to it. You say "I have challenged you to increase your level of contribution to this project to match the expectations of the other participants and committers on this mailing list"; this is utter arrogance. You and other contributors to this list have no knowledge of Hagar's responsibilities, or of mine or of most other participants and are not entitled to demand that he do more, simply because you think he ought. You are perhaps not aware of the full level of Hagar's contribution to one aspect of OpenOffice, the running of the Forum. The Forum takes some hundred a day postings off your lists, in terms of actual queries posted, and some several hundred (perhaps more) per day which are answered by users accessing its knowledge base, which if that were not there could materialise as extra queries posted to your lists. If the Forum collapses, your lists will become unworkable! All you, and all other contributors, are entitled to expect is that we deal honestly and fairly with you, reading nothing beyond that into our words and requiring nothing beyond that; part of that honesty is to say "I have not this or that ability, or the time/inclination to learn it." If someone points to a flaw, in whatever, and indicates that he has not the time or knowledge or inclination to fix it, then that flaw and fix become fair game for anyone else to fix, and that is as it should be. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Problems encountered eliminating some default tabs, and changing one to a 'right tab'....
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:37:55 -0700 "Nancy" wrote: > Hi - I'm a retired legal secretary (lots of Word Perfect knowledge) and our > new CPU with Windows 7 would not run my older Word Perfect Ver.8, so I > downloaded your Open Office 3.0 and 3.4 (I think the last version is). I'm > very happy with the product you have put together so far (I've used it a LOT > over the last 6-8 months) - but I have run into a snag on fixing some tab > stops in a document I've been adding to since February - an 8 page long, 4 > column list of Zentangle pattern names with the page # they can be found in > my 2 Moleskin Notebooks - so basically lots of pattern names, followed by a > page # (or 2 or 3) > > > > I find the default is a tab every 1/2" or so in the 4 columns I've set up, > but I don't like that, and want one tab at the righthand end of the column > to be a right aligned tab. I can change the tabs individually for each > entry/"Zentangle name/page#" - but with 8 pages of these with 4 columns each > to do (over 1,350 patterns), I would like a 'faster' method.. and I can't > find the answer I need in your help menus or write ups about changing > tabs/deleting tabs, etc. > > > > Can you help me out on this problem? (is there an 'easy button' for this > task? lol) I would appreciate your help greatly! You need to learn how to use Styles - OpenOffice formatting hinges on these. You should read up what the Help file says about Styles; you might also find this reference of use http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/5/52/0206WG33-IntroductionToStyles.pdf and its following chapter. It might be best if you bring this problem to the User Forum at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ particularly as there you can post your sample file, whereas this list does not permit attachments. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: NewWikiMainPage
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:20:13 -0400 "S&M MIELNICKI" wrote: > how do I stop open office from loading right away? Forgot to mention that this will be fixed in AOO 3.4.1 (end of July). -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: NewWikiMainPage
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:20:13 -0400 "S&M MIELNICKI" wrote: > how do I stop open office from loading right away? /Tools /Options /OpenOffice./org : Memory and uncheck "enable Systray Quickstarter". Then close OpenOffice, incl;uding Quickstarter and start up again. Best way is to close down and power off computer. If using a Mac above path is (I believe) under Preferences. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: NewWikiMainPage
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:30:26 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:13:55 +0100 > > "James Loring" wrote: > > > >> Don't understand where I am supposed to pas my comments on to the software > >> developers > >> > >> I have reloaded open office about 3 times in the last 24 hours as impress > >> crashes every time I open a power point article and it fails to convert > >> correctly, detail is missing. I was an old fan of open office but seem to > >> be > >> having nothing right with impress, I am not impressed. > >> > >> I am running windows xp with all service packs and MS office 2003 > >> > > Is this the one powerpoint file, or all? Remember that the file formats of > > MS Office have been reverse engineered and the conversion may not be fully > > correct or complete. It is worth trying to delete or rename your User > > Profile. Details on this are at > > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426 > > > > It is not generally understood, but un/re-installing of OpenOffice does not > > in general make a new User Profile; it picks up the existing profile. It > > can happen that the initial profile generated is corrupt; deleting or > > renaming it (as outlined in above url) causes OpenOffice to generate a new > > profile on next startup; this cures a very high percentage of OpenOffice > > quirks. > > -- > > Since this seems to be such a common "solution", I wonder if we should > add this directly to the product? Something like a Help menu item, or > Help/Support menu for "reset profile on restart" or something like > that. We don't want to make it so prominent that someone clicks it > by accident. But it would allow us to better support users if we > could point them to this menu option instead of scary command-line > instructions. > > -Rob As the User Profile is actually open when OpenOffice is in use, such a "solution" might need to be an external tool of some sort. It would be good if such a "solution" renamed the profile rather than deleting it. As the profile contains all User customisation, it would be bad to zap that beyond recovery. A renamed profile would allow a reasonably competent user to bring forward his customisation from the old to the new profile on an item by item basis. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: NewWikiMainPage
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:13:55 +0100 "James Loring" wrote: > Don't understand where I am supposed to pas my comments on to the software > developers > > I have reloaded open office about 3 times in the last 24 hours as impress > crashes every time I open a power point article and it fails to convert > correctly, detail is missing. I was an old fan of open office but seem to be > having nothing right with impress, I am not impressed. > > I am running windows xp with all service packs and MS office 2003 > Is this the one powerpoint file, or all? Remember that the file formats of MS Office have been reverse engineered and the conversion may not be fully correct or complete. It is worth trying to delete or rename your User Profile. Details on this are at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426 It is not generally understood, but un/re-installing of OpenOffice does not in general make a new User Profile; it picks up the existing profile. It can happen that the initial profile generated is corrupt; deleting or renaming it (as outlined in above url) causes OpenOffice to generate a new profile on next startup; this cures a very high percentage of OpenOffice quirks. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: spelling
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Ninka Albada wrote: > Hi There > > I have been using openoffice for some years now, but for a longtime the > spelling check does not work, I down loaded the openoffice programme a couple > of times. > Then i tried your help page, not much of a help, you have to become member > and sign in? did it twice one time on wiki (what is that?) and ones for > openoffice, but I could not post anything as I did not use it enough > Anyway I am getting a little bit cranky.. I m not a computer expert and if > you go through your website, you have to be a computer expert to understand > it. > So please help me out here > I downloaded the latest version and I use windows vista, just give me some > clear, easy to follow, step by step advise (just like in the dummies books ) > regards > Haseler There are two tutorials on the User Forum which may be of assistance Spell check and language configurations at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=67 Troubleshooting Spell check at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=16512 If your spell check does not work promptly, reinstallation of OpenOffice does not help. You need to delete your User Profile, as that holds configuration information which a reinstall does _not_ replace. Details on how to do this are at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426. OpenOffice then creates a new default profile on next startup. If your spellcheck is not then working, you need to print out the tutorials and work your way sytematically through them, checking off each item as you adjust or confirm its setting. Spellcheck works with minimal adjustment and configuration; when it doesn't it is frequently due to user misconfiguration. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: AOO 3.4 Impress not recognising Dual monitors?
On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 10:42:44 +0800 Ji Yan wrote: > Hi Rory, > > Could you please tell us how did you set the two monitors? I test Windows > XP and Mac on my laptop with projector connected, there is no problem and > will try Ubuntu later. > > 2012/7/4 Rory O'Farrell > > > I'm not yet in a position to raise a formal bug, but I would appreciate > > input from other users who may have occasion to use AOO 3.4 to give a > > presentation. > > > > I have not been able to get AOO 3:4 Impress to successfully recognise the > > second monitor on later *ubuntu systems (say 11:10 and later). > > > > I have requested information from others on the Forum in thread > > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=54875 > > > > I would welcome input from users from the Apache lists; I bring it to the > > attention of the ooo-dev list as some developer working on Impress may test > > this in passing. > > > > > > -- > > Rory O'Farrell > > The fix in the bug report referred to by Ariel Constenla-Haile earlier in this thread, and incorporated into the current AOO 3.4.1 dev builds works. On Ubuntu I was able to hotplug a monitor/beamer and by selecting System Settings /Displays (/ Monitors on earlier Ubuntus) I could turn off "mirror displays", then drag the two monitors to desired positions on the display space. In Lubuntu I hotplugged the monitor/beamer and ran arandr which had the same effect. arandr can save ones configuration (either single monitor or dual - perhaps multiple? - monitors) as a script file. Running the appropriate batch file sets Lubuntu up to recognise the dual monitor positioning; the script files can be linked to hotkeys (arandr gives instructions). All is now working well on my presentation netbook. Many disgruntled listeners may shorty be making little wax dolls labeled "Ariel" and sticking pins into them, so, if you don't feel well, Ariel, you know what is the cause :-) -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: AOO 3.4 Impress not recognising Dual monitors?
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 10:18:16 +0200 Joost Andrae wrote: > Hi, > > in the moment I have just one "question" in mind when I read "Ubuntu" in > this context: > > Does your system run X11 or Wayland ? > > > Am 03.07.2012 20:47, schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > > I'm not yet in a position to raise a formal bug, but I would appreciate > > input from other users who may have occasion to use AOO 3.4 to give a > > presentation. > > > > I have not been able to get AOO 3:4 Impress to successfully recognise the > > second monitor on later *ubuntu systems (say 11:10 and later). > > > > I have requested information from others on the Forum in thread > > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=54875 > > > > Kind regards, Joost > > All running X11. I'm an old fashioned User, coming from punched cards and tape (1965) via text based editors on home assembled computers (ah! the Z80...) to PCs, using them as tools, so I don't need any fancy screens and effects. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: AOO 3.4 Impress not recognising Dual monitors?
On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 23:55:49 -0300 Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > Hi Rory, > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > I'm not yet in a position to raise a formal bug, but I would appreciate > > input from other users who may have occasion to use AOO 3.4 to give a > > presentation. > > > > I have not been able to get AOO 3:4 Impress to successfully recognise the > > second monitor on later *ubuntu systems (say 11:10 and later). > > > > I have requested information from others on the Forum in thread > > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=54875 > > > > I would welcome input from users from the Apache lists; I bring it to the > > attention of the ooo-dev list as some developer working on Impress may test > > this in passing. > > this is a known bug: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119327 > > Regards > Thank you for the pointer, Ariel. I had made a quick bug search, but missed that one. I'll post the pointer to the Forum thread, for completeness. -- Rory O'Farrell
AOO 3.4 Impress not recognising Dual monitors?
I'm not yet in a position to raise a formal bug, but I would appreciate input from other users who may have occasion to use AOO 3.4 to give a presentation. I have not been able to get AOO 3:4 Impress to successfully recognise the second monitor on later *ubuntu systems (say 11:10 and later). I have requested information from others on the Forum in thread http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=54875 I would welcome input from users from the Apache lists; I bring it to the attention of the ooo-dev list as some developer working on Impress may test this in passing. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Twitter Word Cloud for OpenOffice
On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:47:00 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > I took all the tweets from June that mentioned 'OpenOffice' and then > removed the word 'OpenOffice' as well as the string 'RT/. (If they > were left in they would dominate over the other terms). I then > created a 'world cloud' using the Wordle applet: > http://www.wordle.net/ > > Here's what I got: http://people.apache.org/~robweir/twitter-cloud.png > > This gives a sense of what words are most closely associated with > OpenOffice in recent Twitter conversations. > > What does it mean? I dunno. You tell me. > > -Rob > The prominence of Paperback might suggest that it is being used for book layout, which it does very well, within the limits that it is not a specialised DTP program. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Replacing old Publisher with Open Office
On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:08:42 +0100 Rory O'Farrell wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:23:56 +0200 > RGB ES wrote: > > > 2012/6/26 : > > > Hello, > > > I am a observer for the National Weather Service and I use a old version > > > of Microsoft Publisher to enter and publish my daily observations...with > > > publisher I can set up a file/folder and insert multiple pages at once, > > > putting the same text on each page thereby eliminating having to type or > > > copy and paste to every page, can just enter the numerical data from my > > > instruments on a daily basis… > > > I have been researching and experimenting with Open Office but unable at > > > this time to find a method where I can do on Open Office, what I can on > > > Publisher..it seems all you have is “Page Break”..is there a method with > > > your program that I can use like in Publisher??. Would appreciate any > > > feedback or assistance you can give me at this time as I am looking for a > > > replacement for Publisher.. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Larry Woller > > > COOP/SWOP Observer, NWS, ILX > > > Ogden, Illinois 61859 > > > > > > > Writer is not a DPT program: it is based on content flow, not on page > > layout like, for example, scribus. Bot nothing prevent you from > > copy/paste that "unit of content" you want to repeat several times, > > separating each one with a page break. You can even automate those > > page breaks: it is really easy to associate a page break with a > > particular paragraph style so you can set the first paragraph of the > > "block" to automatically insert a page break before it. > > > > With Writer you can also think of keeping a one page document and pick > > you data from a database... but that's another question ;) > > > > For any problem with Writer or any other component, you can use our > > community forums: > > > > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/index.php > > > > Regards > > > > It should be possible to set up a Template which had all the headings and > spaces laid out; it is only then necessary to fill in the particulars. See > this tutorial on creating a new default template > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=1161 > > I would suggest you bring this query to the Forum at > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ > which will advise how best to approach this problem. > > It might also be approached by linking a database to OpenOffice's Base (a > front end) and using that to populate a report form. > There may be helpful information at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/0/0d/0215WG33-UsingFormsInWriter.odt This is for v3.3 of OpenOffice, but in respect of Writer the information should still be valid for 3.4. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Replacing old Publisher with Open Office
On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:23:56 +0200 RGB ES wrote: > 2012/6/26 : > > Hello, > > I am a observer for the National Weather Service and I use a old version of > > Microsoft Publisher to enter and publish my daily observations...with > > publisher I can set up a file/folder and insert multiple pages at once, > > putting the same text on each page thereby eliminating having to type or > > copy and paste to every page, can just enter the numerical data from my > > instruments on a daily basis… > > I have been researching and experimenting with Open Office but unable at > > this time to find a method where I can do on Open Office, what I can on > > Publisher..it seems all you have is “Page Break”..is there a method with > > your program that I can use like in Publisher??. Would appreciate any > > feedback or assistance you can give me at this time as I am looking for a > > replacement for Publisher.. > > > > Thank you, > > Larry Woller > > COOP/SWOP Observer, NWS, ILX > > Ogden, Illinois 61859 > > > > Writer is not a DPT program: it is based on content flow, not on page > layout like, for example, scribus. Bot nothing prevent you from > copy/paste that "unit of content" you want to repeat several times, > separating each one with a page break. You can even automate those > page breaks: it is really easy to associate a page break with a > particular paragraph style so you can set the first paragraph of the > "block" to automatically insert a page break before it. > > With Writer you can also think of keeping a one page document and pick > you data from a database... but that's another question ;) > > For any problem with Writer or any other component, you can use our > community forums: > > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/index.php > > Regards > It should be possible to set up a Template which had all the headings and spaces laid out; it is only then necessary to fill in the particulars. See this tutorial on creating a new default template http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=1161 I would suggest you bring this query to the Forum at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ which will advise how best to approach this problem. It might also be approached by linking a database to OpenOffice's Base (a front end) and using that to populate a report form. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Must use the incubating qualifier
On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:58:48 +0200 Andrea Pescetti wrote: > David McKay wrote: > > On 24/06/12 00:05, drew wrote: > >> here it is with text a little smaller and a bevel: > >> http://lo-portal.us/aoo/temp/get-aoo-300x100-btn.png > > It's nice. I especially like that the incubator logo is included there > (since we are forced to refer to the incubating state everywhere) but is > unobtrusive. (For the same reasons, I find also nice the solution Rob > adopted for blog posts). > > > That does look better. Personally I'd still prefer something that > > reflects what will happen when you click it. Something along the lines > > of 'Click for download page'. > > To an international audience "Download" will be more understandable than > "Get it here". And the fact that the button takes you to a download page > instead of serving immediately a file is quite irrelevant: users won't > be confused, and the extra click is a really minor annoyance. > > Regards, >Andrea. > One could say "Link to Download site" or "Download Site" -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Frequent crashes when opening files with AOO 3.4.0?
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 23:12:33 +0200 Hagar Delest wrote: > I've been facing some weird behavior rather recently (since last week > perhaps) on my Vista system with AOO 3.4.0. No OS udpdate that I know of > (corporate machine, important updates have to be run manually, some patches > applied live but we usually see the script that installs them and it has not > been the case for a long time). > > I work with files between 1MB and 6MB containing up to 100 pictures embedded > (each smaller than 100kB), and a lot of tables (up to 500). > Content is mail pasted in .odt files with removal of most of the formatting. > I also use macros to remove any custom style that is not applied so styles > number is under control. > It can happen on small .ods files too (the file without being edited > previously!). > > Crash usually occurs when I open a file or within few seconds (link with > repagination?) or as soon as I reach some place (can reproduce the crash > easily: if I don't do anything, no crash, the moment I move the cursor to a > certain place, crash). If I type something before the crash and save (no need > to close), it usually fixes the problem. > Had never experienced such behavior before. Probability is quite the same > between small and big files. > > Has anyone experienced such problem? > NB: had reset the user profile when installing AOO. > > All files are confidential so can't upload any. Can't make a sample one that > would reproduce the issue yet so no bug report possible for the moment. > Something not tried yet: reset the profile just after a crash to see if it > still crashes with a new profile. > NB: no data loss, either auto-recovery does its job or it occurs before I can > type anything. > > Hagar > For testing purposes and upload could you not change every character to x (I remember a regular expression in the Forum to do that) and replace all photos with something non private? -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Apache OpenOffice 3.4
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:51:44 -0400 (EDT) pain...@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to know how to disable the autostart > function. When I login to my computer, v 3.4 starts > automatically. V 3.3 did not do that, and I would > like v 3.4 not to start everytime I login. Please help! In OpenOffice go to /Tools /Options /OpenOffice.org : Memory and uncheck Enable Systray Quickstarter. This small annoyance is due to be fixed in AOO 3.4.1 (about end of July). -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: fonts
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:51:49 +0930 frankie lee wrote: > Hello i want to add my native language fonts into my openoffice, from the > uni instructions i need to add to font file though i cannot find a font > file in openoffice. > from the openoffice help i dont seem to have spadmin, searched through all > program files, or i dont understand can you help > frankie lee > 0413602686 > waterfr...@gmail.com Fonts are added at system level; you need to refer to your operating system instructions to find how to add a font there. Then restart your computer (shut down, power off, count 20, power on again) for all programs on your computer to see the newly installed font. If you need more specific instructiuons we need to know what operating system you are using. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: 3,027,168 downloads
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 09:57:52 -0400 Donald Harbison wrote: > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > We hit 3 million early this morning. > > > > Onwards! > > This is great to see. The sidebar link on the main landing page http://www.openoffice.org/ ought be updated. It is still reporting 1 Million downloads! -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: The reason I removed the program called Open Office 3.4
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 16:44:28 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:37 PM, drew wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-06-02 at 09:30 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> > > >> > On Jun 1, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Jihui Choi wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Alexandro Colorado > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> When you install it you agreed to open doc files in OpenOffice > >> >>> > >> >> Basically installing AOO doesn't mean we agreed to open MS office > >> >> formats in AOO. > >> >> And it's supposed there's an option page to choose whether we'll open > >> >> them in AOO or not. > >> >> But I couldn't find any similar option. I installed AOO 3.4 twice to > >> >> check this on Windows 7 32bit. > >> >> It's very strange and shame. It should be checked and fixed. > >> > > >> > I am unsure from your statement Choi (is it proper to use the second > >> > name in conversation?) whether you were confirming the user's report. > >> > > >> > If what the reporter says is true then this needs to be a bugzilla and > >> > possible blocker for 3.4.1. How is this being tested on Windows? And is > >> > the result that installing AOO 3.4 on it does in fact cause (or even has > >> > as a default) the shifting of MS Office document types to be opened with > >> > AOO instead of MS Office. If MS Office is present then this must not be > >> > the the default option. > >> > > >> > The check must not be implicit to the user who just clicks continue and > >> > accept buttons through the WIndows installation process. Users must > >> > explicitly choose to have AOO override MS Office for MS Office documents. > >> > > >> > >> Making the opposite default could be wrong as well. For example, the > >> user could have had one of those 30-day trial versions of MS Office > >> that are commonly bundled with new PC's. The trial expires and they > >> install AOO. If we don't default to taking the file extensions, then > >> the user is left in a tough position. > >> > >> Ideally we'd have a dialog the user could reach both in the install > >> and in the product where they could see what app currently owns each > >> file extension and then switch the owner. So they could assign an > >> extension to AOO, but also change their mind and set it back to MS > >> Office if they wanted. > > > > Well, I admit that I didn't do it this last time - but there has been an > > option for this, for a long time. The person running the installer has > > to choose custom install to see it is all - or did this change along the > > way. > > > > Making an intelligent choice for default behavior is important and needs > > to be, the desire being to server most users best by limiting the amount > > of interaction required to perform the installation. > > > > It is my feeling, given the small of number of (small but also of a > > frequency over time) individuals commenting in the negative on this > > choice, that for the majority it is the correct choice. > > > > Good point. 2.7 million downloads and a handful of complaints. > Certainly there are more complaints unreported, but this is still very > small percentage wise. > > > It also seems to me that in most of the cases where a person did contact > > one of our support channels regarding the changes that a fairly quick > > response about file associations did the trick. > > > > I'm sure however that a better way of informing the user of the option > > could be found, as most things can be improved. Though it seems to me > > that in the particular this has not a big issue for most Windows users. > > > > Do we have any FAQ's for AOO 3.4? Do we have a sense of what the > common questions are at this point, based on the forums and ooo-users? > Putting such FAQ's in a prominent place would help. > Three immediate subjects for such an FAQ come to mind: 1) The file associations just discussed 2) When Java is needed for Windows it should be 32bit and version 1.6 3) that there is currently no 64 bit AOO for Windows -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [Comment] Apache software is always free
On Tue, 22 May 2012 10:46:58 -0400 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > Jim Jagielski wrote: > > Please avoid the loaded term "free"... > > I started to laugh. :-) > /me wishes this or that US presidential candidate could read this, or > for that matter, George Orwell. :-/ I suggest, then, we use, rather, > "unencumbered"--a term which actually has real meaning. > "no charge" or "no cost" might be better. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [HEADS UP] Re: [UPDATE SERVICE] proposal for a AOO 3.4 update service
On Tue, 22 May 2012 10:28:15 +0200 Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: > > Thus, you got an error in the AOO 3.4 update functionality, because you > > have an own redirect from openoffice.org to another host. Right? > > Does the update functionality works, if you do not have your own redirect? > > I am asking in order to be sure that I got the right message. > > It worked correctly. I had setup that redirect on my machine just to > moderate lists on the legacy infrastructure after the DNS change (Oracle > to Apache) had been completed; it is now useless of course. When I > removed my redirect, everything worked as expected and I received a > message saying that no updates were available. > Worked very nicely for me using AOO 3.4. Will try later with an OOo 3.3 machine when it is awake. Congratulations! -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [Comment] Apache software is always free
On Mon, 21 May 2012 21:37:54 -0400 Shane Curcuru wrote: > Since this question is coming up much much more now that we have AOO, I > figured we need an official URL and resource to point to when people ask. > >http://www.apache.org/free > > Any glaring errors? Anything I should add, or express more clearly? > > The immediate driver for this as a memorable URL is the AOO podling, > since you clearly have the greatest need (with the huge non-technical > user base). Is there anything in particular we should consider adding > to address AOO or OOo users specifically? > > - Shane > The Project list might benefit from a few explanatory words attached to each Project name, as these names can be rather esoteric; remember we are not preaching to the converted who know Apache software is free, but to a puzzled stranger. As this request for review is posted on an OpenOffice list, I remark that the presence of OpenOffice is not readily apparent. I have not statistics before me of uptake of all Apache projects, but I would expect that OpenOffice (although Incubating) is or shortly will be among the front runners and deserves a presence. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [EXT] LanguageTool extension may be included in AOO?
On Sun, 20 May 2012 17:09:11 +0100 "Marco A.G.Pinto" wrote: > Hello! > > I was wondering if the extension "LanguageTool" ( > http://www.languagetool.org ) could be included in the release packages > of AOO since it is a grammar checker. > > I asked this to its author, Daniel Naber, and he told me to ask in the > Mailing List. > > So, here I am. > > Thanks! > > Kind regards, > >Marco A.G.Pinto > --- Note that a side effect of the excellent LanguageTool extension being active is slower opening of large files (90K word) while LT scans them. (Perhaps 25 seconds instead of 1 or 2). Such perceived slowness may be undesireable. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Linux install issues
On Sat, 19 May 2012 10:00:39 -0700 Kay Schenk wrote: > Hi all-- > > It seems we are running into a number of very difficult problems with Linux > installs, the latest just e-mailed to this list this morning, due to the > way some vendors have installed LO. > > see: > > http://markmail.org/message/qz72ouzjvcm7uyfn > > > I'd really like to provide additional help in the install guide: > > http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html > > but I'm at a loss as to what this should say. > > I took a look at SOME of the postings on the support forums and well, still > at a loss. Generally, it seems that completely uninstall the old OOo 3.3 is > a given (please correct me if I'm wrong about this), but how to handle some > of the LO overlap? > > Can we get some opinions on what's the most accurate way to go about > installing AOO 3.4 on linux? > > * completely de-install LO first? install AOO 3.4, the re-install LO? > * completely de-install old OOo 3.3? and then? > > Thankfully, I did not run into these kinds of issues with my distro. > > -- > > MzK > > "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." > -- Mark Twain Kay My experience with OOo 2.3- AOO 3.4 on Ubuntu distros from 8.04 forward was that it was always best to remove the distro version of OOo before installing the Oracle OOo. I used do this by using the package manager Synaptic to remove openoffice.org-core, which took the other packages (Writer, Calc etc) with it. In more recent Ubuntus OOo was replaced by LibO, and I removed that in a similar fashion (libreoffice.org-core). After such removals I never had ant difficulty installing the Oracle/Apache OpenOffice versions. It may not have been strictly necessary to remove an earlier version so completely, but after having installation difficulties in my early days I now do this as a matter of course on the seven machines under my control. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [UX] The Save Process continued
On Fri, 18 May 2012 16:11:51 +0200
RGB ES wrote:
> 2012/5/18 Rory O'Farrell :
> > On Fri, 18 May 2012 06:26:33 +0100
> > Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> >
> >> One aspect of the User Experience which frequently manifests itself for
> >> Users is a bad file save, leading to a corrupt file, which is partially or
> >> totally irrecoverable
> >
> > Sorry! My previous posting got away before I had completed it.
> >
> > In my programming days (some 25-30 years ago) it was de rigeur that the
> > original file was never over-written until the new file had been completely
> > saved, so that if there was a crash (app, OS, or power failure) the
> > original file existed, perhaps as a .bak file, but there, untouched. This
> > does not happen in OpenOffice (all forks as far as I know). Some thought
> > needs to be given to this and to the defaults of the backup ("always create
> > backup" to be on by default).
> >
> > Many of the instances of corrupt files are caused by User error (too quick
> > shutdown before write buffers are flushed?); a part of the User Experience
> > is to ensure against the stupidity of Users.
> >
>
> +1
>
> There is also a second, less harmful, problem with the save file
> work-flow: it is quite easy to accidentally uncheck the "add file
> extension" on the save dialogue so every now and then we get on the
> forums windows users that do not know how to open a file because when
> they double click on it the OS do not recognize it. Maybe we need to
> eliminate that option and always save with the correct file extension?
Yes, Ricardo, I agree. That option should bbe the default and the switch to
turn it off should be well hidden (but available to those who really need it).
On the Forum we often get Users complaining that the OS cannot identify their
file; diagnosis is almost always that the file has no extension (Windows is
stupid about identifying file applications if no extension!).
--
Rory O'Farrell
Re: [UX] The Save Process continued
On Fri, 18 May 2012 06:26:33 +0100
Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> One aspect of the User Experience which frequently manifests itself for Users
> is a bad file save, leading to a corrupt file, which is partially or totally
> irrecoverable
Sorry! My previous posting got away before I had completed it.
In my programming days (some 25-30 years ago) it was de rigeur that the
original file was never over-written until the new file had been completely
saved, so that if there was a crash (app, OS, or power failure) the original
file existed, perhaps as a .bak file, but there, untouched. This does not
happen in OpenOffice (all forks as far as I know). Some thought needs to be
given to this and to the defaults of the backup ("always create backup" to be
on by default).
Many of the instances of corrupt files are caused by User error (too quick
shutdown before write buffers are flushed?); a part of the User Experience is
to ensure against the stupidity of Users.
--
Rory O'Farrell
[UX] The Save Process
One aspect of the User Experience which frequently manifests itself for Users is a bad file save, leading to a corrupt file, which is partially or totally irrecoverable -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Registeration Request...
On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:25:46 -0400 (EDT) amyjo10...@aol.com wrote: > Almost weekly I receive a request to register with OpenOffice even tho > I've registered several times. Can someone tell me what I should do to get > rid of this constant annoyance? The registration was only a counting process, now outmoded with the recent transfer of code from Oracle to Apache. Next time tell it you do not wish to register - you will lose no functionality. If the registration screen keeps popping up, it is because either you have no rights to right in the storage directory, or something on your system is removing the record of the registration, prehaps some form of hyperactive disk clean-up utility. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: HELP NEEDED
On Mon, 14 May 2012 11:35:37 +0200 (CEST) "kod...@libero.it" wrote: > Hello, I'm sorry if I'm writing to the wrong email adres but i can't find the > support email adress. i need help! i saved last night an odt file 28 apges > long terribly important to me and now when i tried to open it it asks about > the ASCII FILTER wich i have no idea what it is. how can a solve this > problem? seraching in the net i found no solution... please help me or at > least tell me what email adress i should write to.thank youmarco datola As OpenOffice is distributed at no cost, there is no formal support service, other than the goodwil of Users who give of their time in supporting it, eith on a mailing list such as this, or on the User Forum http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum Tha ASCII filter message means that OpenOffice canot understand your file. This is _bad_ news. In OpenOffice, go to /Tools /Options/ Openoffice.org : Paths and write down the path listed there for temporary files. Now exit OpenOffice. Go to the location listed and see if there are any files there with arbitrary names (example:xryt.bak or sqfge.tmp) and approximately the correct date. Copy these to another directory and rename them to type .odt, then see if they will open with OpenOffice. If not, forget about them. Copy your damaged file to another file called Filename.zip. See if that will open with WinZip or 7zip. If it does, copy out content.xml; this will contain your data, but you will have to edit it heavily to get it reformated to your desire. If you are not computer savvy, get someone who is to help you. Why did this happen? Were you working to a USB stick? If so, you may not have observed the correct procedure to remove a USB device. If you were working to the hard disk, you may have closed down the computer too quickly, before the disk buffers flushed, and the file may be only partially written. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [ooo-site]
On Sun, 13 May 2012 20:17:23 +0100 "Lou Devlin" wrote: > I cannot see a UK version for download > Can you help? Only en-US currently available of en-XX versions.. en-GB in preparation, I understand, projected release with v3.4.1 at end July/early August, unless available earlier for testing. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: "Change Case" feature
On Sun, 13 May 2012 18:02:02 +0100 "Marco A.G.Pinto" wrote: > Hi! > > I have installed AOO 3.4 and it doesn't have the same feature as M$ > Office 2010 where there is an icon to change the case of words: >- lower case >- upper case >- capitalise each word >- toggle case > > This is very useful. > > Can it be added in the next update? There is a /Format /Case facility available. You may possibly be able to customise a toolbar to add a button or buttons for this. Remember that there needs to be a reasonable limit on the number of standard toolbar button, or any program becomes too cumbersome. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [WWW] AOOo french website
On Sat, 12 May 2012 07:22:04 +0200 eric b wrote: > Hi, > Le 12 mai 12 à 00:40, Hagar Delest a écrit : > > > Le sam. 12 mai 2012 00:07:35 CEST, Pedro Giffuni a > > écrit : > > > >> I would suggest: > >> > >> "User community support forum for Apache OpenOffice and all the > >> OpenOffice.org derivatives" > >> > >> There's no need to favor any particular fork. > > > > This was my first proposal but we can't obliterate the fact that > > LibO has already a strong user base too. > > > > > LibreOffice does not respect Apache OpenOffice, neither does TDF. > > For me, the point is NOT to make the best number of hits, but to > respect free software ethical, and reward the people doing the right > thing. > > > > Moreover, since many GNU/Linux distros have switched to LibO, > > > Many GNU/Linux distros did very bad things, not only switching to Libo > > > > many users don't know about AOO. It can be a way to make them aware > > about that. > > > > > Why ? Because a group pf people controls all the communication > around us. > > ... and put Libo on first line encourages them to continue. > > > > > As long as the codes give a common ground for users, we can benefit > > from both sides (users point of view). > > > > "benefit" is a consumer word here, while ethical should be our first > concern. > > Maintain this consumer spirit will kill free software one day. The general view among the active volunteers on the Forum (and, indeed, off Forum in private communications) was that it was appropriate for the Forum to specify the two major versions at this time and use inclusive language for the lesser and older versions. We are aware that a serious shift in code base may require Forum specialisation, but that day has not yet come; until then, we serve to best of our ability all strains of OpenOffice. We made our decision in 10 hours; there has been no objection. On this list we should continue to support AOO, showing generosity to others who support different forks. If we close up and ignore them, then we are behaving in the same manner for which we criticise them. Either this is a truely openSource project or it is not. There is nothing one does but someone else can object to it. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: [BUGZILLA] Maximum size of attachment in bugzilla ?
On Fri, 11 May 2012 13:00:07 +0200 Giuseppe Castagno wrote: > Hi there, > > I'd like to open a AOO 3.4.0 segment violation bug, but the document > triggering it is a master/slave document structure that, when zipped, is > around 55 Mb (the full document is around 800 pages). > > What is the maximum allowed size of a bugzilla attachment ? > I couldn't find any info on bugzilla. > > If my zipped file is too big, I'm going to post it somewhere else and > provide a link. When you got the segment violation error, were the OpenOffice settings "out of the box" or had /Tools /Options /Openoffice.org : Memory been adjusted to reduce the number of undo steps from 100 to something one could remember, such as 10 or perhaps 20, and had the other memory allocations in that step been increased? If not, I suggest that these be adjusted, OpenOffice restarted (just to be sure the settings are in force) and then try your failing file again. If it fails at a different stage then it gives a clue to a possible cause. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: "How To Install Apache OpenOffice 3.4 Via PPA On Ubuntu 12.04/11.10"
On Thu, 10 May 2012 13:43:30 -0400 drew wrote: > On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 13:21 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > > http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/05/how-to-install-apache-openoffice-34-via.html > > > > Is there someplace on the website or wiki where we could add this > > link? Maybe the release notes? > > I'm trying the (11.10) install just now - no idea who this is, glad they > got to it so directly, however. > > A mention someplace on the site would be great, imo. > > //drew I downloaded a prebuilt (en-US) for 32 bit Ubuntu and installed in the usual way as set out on Forum tutorial. No problems except it complained on first startup, needing a Java. I forced it closed, restarted and setup the Java quickly under /Tools /Options before it could complain. Been editing with it all day, no problems. en-GB version or Language pack would be nice. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Troll warning
On Wed, 9 May 2012 13:01:19 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > > The important thing is to maintain a generosity towards others and not to > > be drawn into argument with them about the pros and cons of their/our > > choices. The situation is likely to proceed to one of two directions: > > either the codebases and the features start to diverge dramatically, in > > which case they move away and any other product becomes sufficiently > > different that there need be no conflict, or there is some for of > > reconcilliation/amalgamation, in which case all have to work together, so > > the less aggravation that has arisen before that, the better. > > > > It is a generous thing to be able to agree to differ. > > > > But what about when their preference is that you don't exist at all? > For example, when a LO leader comes onto the Apache list and says that > he would like us to fail and that he wants to "put us out of our > misery", then do we treat that as a mere "difference of opinion"? I'm > happy to be generous when it is a matter of taste, Coke versus Pepsi > or whatever. But when someone is denying our right to exist and > taking active steps to cause our votes to fail, etc., then I think > that is something else. > > We're called on to be generous and professional. We're not called on > to be martyrs. > > -Rob You simply reply "You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong!" and walk away. If he is obstructive/agressive on list, he should be banned. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: Troll warning
The important thing is to maintain a generosity towards others and not to be drawn into argument with them about the pros and cons of their/our choices. The situation is likely to proceed to one of two directions: either the codebases and the features start to diverge dramatically, in which case they move away and any other product becomes sufficiently different that there need be no conflict, or there is some for of reconcilliation/amalgamation, in which case all have to work together, so the less aggravation that has arisen before that, the better. It is a generous thing to be able to agree to differ. -- Rory O'Farrell
Re: PROB
On Tue, 8 May 2012 17:08:17 +0100 Rory O'Farrell wrote: ERROR!! The second line in my last posting should read sudo apt-get --purge remove openoffice-core -- Rory O'Farrell
