Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
On Fri 09 Mar 2007 09:01:58 NZDT +1300, Carlos E. R. wrote: Some system services use email to notify root or the user of some things. For instance, smart monitoring, raid monitoring, rm installs - there was a time when Yast mailed the user of some install notices. Yes, having an MTA which can deliver local email is absolutely essential. cron, smartmontools, fetchmail(!), you name it. What would be a very good idea(TM) is if the MTA in its default configuration was prevented from delivering email to other than localhost or one of localhost's domain aliases. I tried this with postfix and found that it's not possible, though there are 2 drastic and not very nice workarounds for this problem. I believe Debian and a few other distros have had a default of no mail is delivered externally for a long time. SUSE should do likewise. Note I'm talking about the default config only here. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Hi, Some system services use email to notify root or the user of some things. For instance, smart monitoring, raid monitoring, rm installs - there was a time when Yast mailed the user of some install notices. Yes, having an MTA which can deliver local email is absolutely essential. cron, smartmontools, fetchmail(!), you name it. What would be a very good idea(TM) is if the MTA in its default configuration was prevented from delivering email to other than localhost or one of localhost's domain aliases. I tried this with postfix and found that it's not possible, though there are 2 drastic and not very nice workarounds for this problem. I believe Debian and a few other distros have had a default of no mail is delivered externally for a long time. SUSE should do likewise. Note I'm talking about the default config only here. There used to be the following lines in /etc/sysconfig/mail: ## Type:yesno ## Default: no ## Config: postfix # # Set this to yes if mail from remote should be accepted # this is necessary for any mail server. # If set to no or empty then only mail from localhost # will be accepted. # SMTPD_LISTEN_REMOTE=no Why have they been removed? Regards, Gaël
Re: [opensuse-factory] Linux audio foks
Ludwig Nussel wrote: Sid Boyce wrote: I and several others have had similar permissions problems with gizmo which actually said there was no audio device. I did strace and submitted it to the forum, but the mystery continued. Then I had a brainwave, tried it as root and it was AOK. So I added the user to audio in /etc/group, also did the same for video a while back when kaffeine complained about no video, though OK with audio. Sound and DVB devices are supposed to be detected by hal. hal-resmgr will take care of device permissions when you log in then. There is no need to put users in the audio or video group. If permission handling doesn't work for some reason please file a bug report, assign it to me and attach the output of lshal, /usr/sbin/hal-resmgr --list-all and /sbin/resmgr sessions. cu Ludwig It didn't work before, now I've just removed the user from /etc/group and gizmo doesn't complain. I shall try it later after a reboot. # /usr/sbin/hal-resmgr --list-all UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_68e_f2_noserial_usbraw Device /dev/bus/usb/003/017 Class scanner UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_46d_928_noserial_video4linux Device /dev/video0 Class v4l UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_10de_8a_oss_pcm_0_0 Device /dev/audio Class sound UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_10de_8a_oss_pcm_0 Device /dev/dsp Class sound UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_10de_8a_oss_pcm_1 Device /dev/adsp Class sound UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_10de_8a_oss_mixer__1 Device /dev/mixer Class sound UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_alsa_sequencer Device /dev/snd/seq Class sound UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_LITE_ON_DVDRW_SOHW_1673S Device /dev/hdc Class cdrom UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_4b8_103_noserial_usbraw Device /dev/bus/usb/003/010 Class scanner UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pnp_PNP0501_serial_platform_0 Device /dev/ttyS0 Class modem UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_alsa_timer Device /dev/snd/timer Class sound UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_10de_8a_alsa_playback_2 Device /dev/snd/pcmC0D2p Class sound UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_10de_8a_alsa_capture_1 Device /dev/snd/pcmC0D1c Class sound UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_10de_8a_alsa_playback_0 Device /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p Class sound UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_10de_8a_alsa_capture_0 Device /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c Class sound UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_10de_8a_alsa_control__1 Device /dev/snd/controlC0 Class sound UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_14f1_8802_dvb_2 Device /dev/dvb/adapter0/net0 Class dvb UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_14f1_8802_dvb_1 Device /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 Class dvb UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_14f1_8802_dvb_0 Device /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 Class dvb UDI /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_14f1_8802_dvb Device /dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0 Class dvb # /sbin/resmgr sessions :0 lancelot /dev/tty1 root Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-03-14 at 11:24 +0100, Gaël Lams wrote: Yes, having an MTA which can deliver local email is absolutely essential. cron, smartmontools, fetchmail(!), you name it. What would be a very good idea(TM) is if the MTA in its default configuration was prevented from delivering email to other than localhost or one of localhost's domain aliases. I tried this with postfix and found that it's not possible, though there are 2 drastic and not very nice workarounds for this problem. I believe Debian and a few other distros have had a default of no mail is delivered externally for a long time. SUSE should do likewise. Note I'm talking about the default config only here. There used to be the following lines in /etc/sysconfig/mail: ## Type:yesno ## Default: no ## Config: postfix # # Set this to yes if mail from remote should be accepted # this is necessary for any mail server. # If set to no or empty then only mail from localhost # will be accepted. # SMTPD_LISTEN_REMOTE=no Why have they been removed? It hasn't been removed: I have it (10.2) However, notice that that line does not prevent mail from being _sent_ to outside. It just prevents mail from being sent to that system using smtp (ie, postfix or sendmail). - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF+DPjtTMYHG2NR9URAmviAJ9XXFBksQfnLDm+8B1/iR2VGkQRdwCeMVwT OvSAjHYI4x+ZPAdZtJSyA/w= =bFMN -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[opensuse-factory] Aqsis package for inclusion within openSUSE 10.3 (factory) repo
Hi all, I've been working with Marcus (darix) on your BuildService team to create an official (open)SUSE package for our open source rendering solution - Aqsis. http://software.opensuse.org/download/graphics:/rendering Though the packages will remain on the BS for older (open)SUSE releases we would like to have Aqsis included within your official repository for the forthcoming 10.3 release. http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/oss Our efforts are both stable and tested and we're happy to maintain this package for the necessary duration of your release (currently 2 active maintainers). This would be great help to our project as well as much appreciated, complimenting our existing packages within the official Fedora and Mandriva repos. Many thanks in advance, Leon Tony Atkinson Aqsis Team Member www.aqsis.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Problem with latest mozilla-xulrunner181 package
Hi,
Magnus Boman wrote:
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 07:14 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 07:51 +0200, Sorin Peste wrote:
I tried to update the mozilla-xulrunner181 package via ZMD and it failed
('invalid package'). So I downloaded the RPM from my mirror and tried to
do it by hand:
# rpm -Uvh /tmp/mozilla-xulrunner181-1.8.1.2-14.2.i586.rpm
Preparing...###
[100%]
1:mozilla-xulrunner181 ###
[100%]
error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.8.1:
cpio: rename failed - Is a directory
The package is in the mozilla repository, on my mirror the URL is
http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/SUSE_Linux_10.1/i586/mozilla-xulrunner181-1.8.1.2-14.2.i586.rpm
I also get problems with this package when installing from smart:
139:Installing mozilla-nss
140:Cleaning mozilla-nss
Output from [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.68434: line 3: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.8.1/xulrunner: No
such file or directory
141:Installing mozilla-xulrunner181
142:Cleaning mozilla-xulrunner181
143:Installing MozillaFirefox
144:Cleaning MozillaFirefox
rmdir: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.8.1b2: Directory not empty
Also, in /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.8.1b2, there are now two odd symbolic
links that point to themselves (and thus do not work):
xulrunner-1.8.1 - xulrunner-1.8.1
xulrunner-1.8.1.2 - xulrunner-1.8.1.2
I am not sure why the older versions ox xulrunner still have files on
the system when the rpms for them are gone. There are directories
for /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.8.1, /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.8.1.2,
and /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.8.1b2. Only mozilla-xulrunner181-1.8.1.2-14.2
is installed. A similar problem happened with xulrunner a year or so
ago. That one took months to fix...
Try to rename or remove those directories and reinstall the package(s)
to see if it works.
You also want to create a bug report for it (if there isn't one already)
I've tried to clean up and fix the xulrunner update to be able to update
correctly from the 10.2 version. This didn't work prior to -14 properly
for different reasons in some cases. The current package should be able
to update from 1.8.1b (aka 1.8.0.99) correctly but may fail for broken
installations from updates inbetween. The mess with xulrunner are
directories which should change to symlinks which doesn't work with RPM
easily.
I've just checked in a few changes to make it a bit more bullet-proof
(not completely) for updating messed up combinations.
If you got problems please uninstall all xulrunner packages and install
the latest one. Then you should have /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.8.1.2 as
directory and the symlinks /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.8.1 and
/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.8.1b (only on 10.2) to it.
Sorry,
Wolfgang
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Re: [opensuse] samba vs cifs ... what's the diff?
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 14:19, Paul Abrahams wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 9:37 am, Dan Winship wrote: The distinction you *can* make is between smbfs, which is an old, unmaintained and partly-broken SMB/CIFS client kernel module for Linux, and cifs, which is a newer, actively-developed SMB/CIFS client kernel module for Linux. The fact that one has smb in its name and the other has cifs in its name isn't really all that relevant. The point is just that they're two separate codebases, and SUSE used to ship smbfs, but doesn't any more (because cifs is maintained and smbfs isn't, so bugs reported against smbfs will never get fixed, while bugs against cifs will). So the choice is between an older, unmaintained client kernel that will continue to work in contexts where it worked previously and a newer client kernel that is not completely developed but is being actively maintained and improved. If that's the case, then the sensible path is to use smbfs for now and switch to cifs whenever it becomes interchangeable with smbfs for whatever one is doing. Paul Someone at novel must have been able to predict or even after the fact see that removing smbfs AND usbfs support from the kernel is bound to lead into at least some 10.2 sales losses. The fact that a recompile is required is guarranteed to turn some customers away and both file systems are needed for basic functionality in some major applications. imo both file systems should at the very minimum have been basic installation options, perhaps they should even added to an updated kernel. something might get done for usbfs because of vmware, but smbfs should be reconsidered as well. is there a serious lack of bean counters at the home office or is this the forerunner of the ms take it or take it attitude? d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] help me understand directory rights, please...
Hi, How can I make a directory to allow write access for me (user) and wwwrun, but not for everybody else? background: I have kind of a self made cms in php that creates my web pages and writes them into directories on my local computer. If these are my own directories their rights are drwxr-xr-x and therefore wwwrun cannot write into them. If I give write rights to everyone, then wwwrun can write into the directory, of course. But how can I achieve, that *only* me and wwwrun can write into that directory? thanks for your hints. Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] samba vs cifs ... what's the diff?
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 10:00:03PM -1000, kanenas wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 14:19, Paul Abrahams wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 9:37 am, Dan Winship wrote: The distinction you *can* make is between smbfs, which is an old, unmaintained and partly-broken SMB/CIFS client kernel module for Linux, and cifs, which is a newer, actively-developed SMB/CIFS client kernel module for Linux. The fact that one has smb in its name and the other has cifs in its name isn't really all that relevant. The point is just that they're two separate codebases, and SUSE used to ship smbfs, but doesn't any more (because cifs is maintained and smbfs isn't, so bugs reported against smbfs will never get fixed, while bugs against cifs will). So the choice is between an older, unmaintained client kernel that will continue to work in contexts where it worked previously and a newer client kernel that is not completely developed but is being actively maintained and improved. If that's the case, then the sensible path is to use smbfs for now and switch to cifs whenever it becomes interchangeable with smbfs for whatever one is doing. Paul Someone at novel must have been able to predict or even after the fact see that removing smbfs AND usbfs support from the kernel is bound to lead into at least some 10.2 sales losses. The fact that a recompile is required is guarranteed to turn some customers away and both file systems are needed for basic functionality in some major applications. sales losses are quite difficult for a product that is mostly downloaded. The next 10.2 kernel update will include USBFS again btw. ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Backup to Landisk
Dear list, In my LAN there is a Landisk with ip address and smb service. I try to backup my file to this Landisk by mounting it and then use tar. When I browse it through the M$ Windows machine the backup file name is good, but when I ls to /mnt/landisk there is strange character and I cannot extract all the file. I can extract it through Windows explorer but this is not what I want it. Anybody here has the same experience? Any help will be very helpfull for me. edwin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] mplayerplug-in, Firefox and Suse 10.2
Hello, In the Message; Subject: [opensuse] mplayerplug-in, Firefox and Suse 10.2 Message-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date Time: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:30:49 -0500 [Fred] == Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] has written: Fred and windows media streams you know all that... but mplayerplug-in Fred absolutely refuses to work. Which version of mplayerplug-in are you using? Does About Plugins on Firefox show mplayerplug-in? Fred and plugin. The links in the ~/firefox/plugins directory are extensive and Fred include everything but the kitchen sink. Usually. we put plugin files in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins directory. Regards, --- Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp Bill! You married with Computers. Not with Me! No..., with money. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] help me understand directory rights, please...
Daniel Bauer wrote: Hi, How can I make a directory to allow write access for me (user) and wwwrun, but not for everybody else? background: I have kind of a self made cms in php that creates my web pages and writes them into directories on my local computer. If these are my own directories their rights are drwxr-xr-x and therefore wwwrun cannot write into them. If I give write rights to everyone, then wwwrun can write into the directory, of course. But how can I achieve, that *only* me and wwwrun can write into that directory? thanks for your hints. Daniel You could do something like: chown -R username.group /path/to/folder# Folder and files owned by you (Recursively) chmod -R 700 username.group /path/to/folder # Folder and files only accessible to you (rwx) setfacl -R -m u:wwwrun:rwx /path/to/folder # Folder and files also accessible to wwwrun (rwx) setfacl -R -m d:u:wwwrun:rwx /path/to/folder # New folders and files will also be accessible to wwwrun (rwx) Please read the man pages of chmod and setfacl / getfacl before applying the new acl's, and changing your current file permissions. I'm not sure if this is the best way to do it, perhaps others on the list have better ways of doing it. Best regards Sylvester Lykkehus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] help me understand directory rights, please...
How can I make a directory to allow write access for me (user) and wwwrun, but not for everybody else? background: I have kind of a self made cms in php that creates my web pages and writes them into directories on my local computer. If these are my own directories their rights are drwxr-xr-x and therefore wwwrun cannot write into them. If I give write rights to everyone, then wwwrun can write into the directory, of course. If you use a cms, only wwwrun would need to have write access to the directory. Why don't use change the owner to wwwrun? But how can I achieve, that *only* me and wwwrun can write into that directory? www being wwwrun's group chown -R me.www /path_to/your_folder chmod -R 775 /path_to/your_folder Regards, Gaël
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 05:06:54 Stevens wrote: Media devices mount by the volume info which renders any software invalid that expects to see a fixed mount point. Yes, someone here posted a link to a workaround but my question is: why in Hell did Suse allow this bastardized code to make it into production in the first place? It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the system should provide static mount points for a device, not the %$#@ volume info of the media in it. /soapbox off If you add the device to fstab, the media system will ignore the device and not try to mount it. Now, for that you need a device name, and you can get one using /dev/dsk/by-id I guess. I don't think there is any functonality lost here. -- Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett Novell :: SUSE RD, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE, IBM ServeRAID, I/O Errors
Adam Williams wrote: I have an IBM xSeries with an IBM ServeRAID controller running openSUSE 10.1. Previously, for years, this server ran SuSE 9.2 and was absolutely ROCK solid. However, now it is constantly logging I/O errors, but no drive ever goes offline. It really seems to be a problem with the logical drive. ipssend says: Controller type: ServeRAID-3L Actual BIOS version: 7.12.02 Firmware version : 6.10.24 Boot block version : 3.00.21 Device driver version : 7.12.05 And there are four active drives, and one hot spare. Each report as active with no PFA. The status of the logical drive is Okay But dmesg is full of: sd 0:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x7 end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 4319748 sd 0:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x7 end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 4319748 Unless you screwed up the physical server the only changed component is the module for the raid controller. Try to find another module for the controller, maybe IBM has a more recent version available. If neccessary (and possible) compile the module from most recent source. -- Sandy List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless mouse battery life [OT?]
batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs I am using a Logitech trackball wireless mouse on my PC tower and a wired version on my son's notebook PC. The battery in the wireless seems to last about 3 to 6 months. I'm using a Targus optical mouse, which is powered by 2 AAA batteries. A new set of Duracells typically last a couple of days. I just use rechargeables, and have one set recharging while the other set is in the mouse. They go about a year before they need to be replaced. Yikes. couple days? Throw that thing away and get a Logitech wireless optical. My wife got one for christmas and she till has not replaced the batteries. She uses it for a couple hours every day and can't be bothered to shut it off. It has some auto-power save mode built in. Agree, the Logitech Mouseman is the way to go. I use it all day and replace the batteries about every six - nine months. And openSUSE will even display the mouse's battery status in the task bar. --- Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] weird keyboard layout problem with 2 monitors
Hi, I have this very very weird problem: Using 10.0 x86_64, KDE 3.5.6 release 31.3, xorg 6.8.2 and nVidia driver 1.0-9746. If I enable twinview support (using the nVidia setup tool) - my keyboard layout change breaks. In the tray the KDE keyboard tool displays err picture instead the flags of the languages, and the tooltip is Error changing keyboard layout to 'us'. If I right-click on it , it displays the flags and names for the 2 kbf layouts I have enabled, but selectin one of them does not work as well, just changes the tooltip text accordingly. The config of the kbd layouts, etc. is OK. Now, the weird thing is, that if I disable the twinvew mode, and get back to single monitor setup, the layout change starts to work again. Any clues how to fix that? -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless mouse battery life [OT?]
Doug McGarrett wrote: temporarily set up Linux on your brother's laptop (the same version you use) and then test, you could determine. if it's hardware or Linux. If it turns out to be hardware, you should alert the manufacturers of your machine and its video card. (And the mouse!) They will certainly want to know, since most of their customers are using Windows, where the problem will also exist. If it turns out the other way--Linux--you should file a bug report. A slightly more convenient variation on this would be to run Knoppix or similar on your machine, and if the problem occurs with that, try it on your brother's PC. That would avoid the installation. BTW, bear in mind that optical mice don't like blue things. They absorb all the red light and confuse the mouse. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Yast - to upgrade Distribution ?
- can yast be used to upgrade Distribution ? for example. upgrade from SuSE 10.2 to 13.0 ? thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Yast - to upgrade Distribution ?
Adding to that, can smart or any other package manager be used instead? I know in the past I heard you could not upgrade suse major revision upgrades, just minor. -rami On 3/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - can yast be used to upgrade Distribution ? for example. upgrade from SuSE 10.2 to 13.0 ? thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] VMware
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[opensuse] Running services as non-root user
Hello All, I seem to be a little confused, so I may already know the correct answer , or may be stating it in the question. I know that you should try and not run anything as root. For example, when you install mysql server, it starts with either the mysql user or the nobody user. #1. What is this nobody user? It seems that you cannot log in as nobody. Is this a generic guest like account just for running services? Is this like the mysql user but with a different name? what do you call these types of accounts? #2. Also, it seems to me that binding to a port would be a root level access thing. For example, if a start a program to bind to port 15000 then nothing else can bind to that port. Does it work like level of importance? If root wants to bind to that port does it drop the nobody user from that port? #3. Should you have a different nobody like user for each service you want to run? Or is that overkill? As always, thanks very much for any assistance or thoughts. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] stripping down opensuse, when does it break compatibility
Hi All, I was trying to get openSuse installed on my friends fighteningly old computer. While doing it, I thought it might be good to build him a custom install with autoyast with A LOT of stuff taken out. He will do e-mail, some chat and thats it. Nothing else at all. At what point do you break compatibility with openSuse, what is the base thing that must be installed for someone to say this is openSuse and I can patch it and that good stuff Also, is this type of thing true for all linux systems or openSuse only? As always, thanks for any help or advice. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Running services as non-root user
Hi,
You should each service running under a different user, each of these
service users having only access to what it really needs: for
instance having Tomcat running as a tomcat user , zope running as a
zope user, . The reason for this is improved security, and it's
really not overkilled (how many different daemons will you run on a
machine?)
You need to start the daemon as root only if it has to bind to a port
under 1024. If, for instance, you configure tomcat to listen to port
8080, you don't (shouldn't) have to start it as root.
There are a few services (for instance apache) that bind to port
1024: some of them start as root to bind to the port and, as soon as
it's done, they drop their privileges and use a normal user (on
OpenSUSE, wwwrun for apache)
I would not recommend to use the nobody user, unless you have to
(samba, NFS, ...): better to use a normal, dedicated user with the
least privileges
Kind regards,
Gaël
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Kernel Modules (WAS: Re: [opensuse] samba vs cifs ... what's the diff?)
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 01:05:26 am Marcus Meissner wrote: Someone at novel must have been able to predict or even after the fact see that removing smbfs AND usbfs support from the kernel is bound to lead into at least some 10.2 sales losses. The fact that a recompile is required is guarranteed to turn some customers away and both file systems are needed for basic functionality in some major applications. sales losses are quite difficult for a product that is mostly downloaded. The next 10.2 kernel update will include USBFS again btw. Just out of curiosity - why are some items called kernel modules and others not? For example, I often use the Cisco VPN client to telecommute. It seems that every few weeks - I guess when kernel update happens - the client fails. I'm then forced to recompile. Wouldn't developers want to put these things outside of the kernel so they are independent of such? -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE, IBM ServeRAID, I/O Errors
Hey, I have an IBM xSeries with an IBM ServeRAID controller running openSUSE 10.1. Previously, for years, this server ran SuSE 9.2 and was absolutely ROCK solid. a lot changed, also the driver, as you can (now) see it is now capable to fetch this special case errors, but no drive ever goes offline. It really seems to be a problem with the logical drive. ipssend says: Controller type: ServeRAID-3L Actual BIOS version: 7.12.02 Firmware version : 6.10.24 Boot block version : 3.00.21 Device driver version : 7.12.05 And there are four active drives, and one hot spare. Each report as active with no PFA. The status of the logical drive is Okay But dmesg is full of: sd 0:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x7 end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 4319748 sd 0:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x7 end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 4319748 I guess you still googled for the SCSI error code and what it stands for? sda is the logical drive # uname -a Linux cfsgroup 2.6.16.27-0.9-smp #1 SMP Tue Feb 13 09:35:18 UTC 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Anyone have *ANY* suggestions? If it's possible try 10.2 or 10.3 Alpha, just for working on the latest and greatest Kernel-tree. Greetings, -- Patrick Kirsch - Quality Assurance Department SUSE Linux Products GmbH GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Server for online-updates
Josef Wolf wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 06:49:28PM -0600, Rajko M. wrote: On Friday 09 March 2007 16:43, Josef Wolf wrote: In 10.2, the mirror for online-updates is randomly choosen. There's no chance anymore to choose a specific mirror. I'd rather choose the same mirror for all of my boxes because I want the packages be cached by my big fat squd that is sitting between my boxes and the ISP. With this, the updates would be dwnloaded only once for the first box and all the other boxes would get the update smuch faster from the squid cache. Why is in 10.2 no more chance to choose a specific mirror for online updates? Put in YaST Installation Source update repository, and it will be used. But the very first update, which is done right after the first reboot on a fresh install, will pull huge amounts from some random (potentially slow) mirror, and all the patches end up a second/third/fourth/... time in my squid cache. They could be delivered pretty fast from my cache, but since every install chooses a different mirror, I end up mirroring _all_ existing mirrors in my squid. And my squid cache is not used at all, it is just filled up :-( All this makes the installation procedure only slower and more tedious. Since I do installations from scratch often, this is a huge drawback for me. I don't understand. What would be so bad if the user could choose a specific mirror at installation time? A random mirror could still be selected by default. But there should be a button change mirror or something. This was possible in older suse releases, and nobody complained. This is still possible in all the other distributions I know. Why was this button removed in newer suse releasaes? What's the rationale? My suggestion would be to have a script to rsync a particular mirror of your choice with your SQUID cache or use wget and download the whole mirror once and then have the wget script run once a day via cron to check for updates. an idea but the commands used might need working on. Regards Hylton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] mplayerplug-in, Firefox and Suse 10.2
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 03:48, Masaru Nomiya wrote: [Fred] == Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] has written: Fred and windows media streams you know all that... but mplayerplug-in Fred absolutely refuses to work. Which version of mplayerplug-in are you using? mplayerplug-in 3.31 Does About Plugins on Firefox show mplayerplug-in? Shockwave Flash File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31 DivX Browser Plug-In File name: mplayerplug-in-dvx.so mplayerplug-in 3.31 Google VLC multimedia plugin 1.0 File name: mplayerplug-in-gmp.so mplayerplug-in 3.31 QuickTime Plug-in 6.0 / 7 File name: mplayerplug-in-qt.so mplayerplug-in 3.31 RealPlayer 9 File name: mplayerplug-in-rm.so mplayerplug-in 3.31 Windows Media Player Plugin File name: mplayerplug-in-wmp.so mplayerplug-in 3.31 mplayerplug-in 3.31 File name: mplayerplug-in.so mplayerplug-in 3.31 Helix DNA Plugin: RealPlayer G2 Plug-In Compatible File name: nphelix.so Helix DNA Plugin: RealPlayer G2 Plug-In Compatible version 0.4.0.622 built with gcc 3.3.3 on Jul 18 2006 Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0_10-b03 File name: libjavaplugin_oji.so Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0_10 Fred and plugin. The links in the ~/firefox/plugins directory are extensive and Fred include everything but the kitchen sink. Usually. we put plugin files in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins directory. They are there. Since I couldn't get media to play, I built links from there to my ~/firefox/plugins directory. That didn't help, either. Regards, --- Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 05:19, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2007 05:06:54 Stevens wrote: Media devices mount by the volume info which renders any software invalid that expects to see a fixed mount point. Yes, someone here posted a link to a workaround but my question is: why in Hell did Suse allow this bastardized code to make it into production in the first place? It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the system should provide static mount points for a device, not the %$#@ volume info of the media in it. /soapbox off If you add the device to fstab, the media system will ignore the device and not try to mount it. Now, for that you need a device name, and you can get one using /dev/dsk/by-id I guess. I don't think there is any functonality lost here. You are certainly entitled to your opinion which, in this case, is wrong. Functionality IS lost when I have programs that cannot access the CD/DVD drive because they are looking for a /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc mount point and wonderful Suse 10.2 won't provide it. Why not? Who knows. As one writer said here recently, Solaris has been providing both volume label mounts and links to device mount for years. Look, Mac, when a non-guru like my daughter or son-in-law runs into roadblocks like these, they don't have (and should not need) the expertise it takes to hammer out a command line workaround. The system should just work. No muss, no fuss, just work. And there are really important (to lots of folks) parts of Suse 10.2 that don't. At least they don't here. Just remember that Betamax was a superior video tape recording system but it lost out to VHS and became a historical footnote. I don't want Suse to do the same because the system development teams can't see the big picture. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [opensuse] Backup to Landisk
|From: edwin |In my LAN there is a Landisk with ip address and smb service. |I try to backup my file to this Landisk by mounting it and |then use tar. When I browse it through the M$ Windows machine |the backup file name is good, but when I ls to /mnt/landisk |there is strange character and I cannot extract all the file. |I can extract it through Windows explorer but this is not what |I want it. | |Anybody here has the same experience? |Any help will be very helpfull for me. Had the similar problem earlier with a lacie ethernet mini. But an update of cifs and the firmware on the lacie fixed it. It were probably a smb.conf setting there that were fixed. How does it look from within Konqueror? 'smb://'uses cifs It is a combination of charset used on client and on landisk and possibly mount point. On my servers I use the following setting under smb.conf global to avoid this problem: [global] dos charset = UTF-8 unix charset = UTF-8 display charset = UTF-8 You should set an utf-8 enabled charset to view the files. -- MortenB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] stripping down opensuse, when does it break compatibility
On 14 March 2007 at 13:09, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Abstract [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I was trying to get openSuse installed on my friends fighteningly old computer. While doing it, I thought it might be good to build him a custom install with autoyast with A LOT of stuff taken out. He will do e-mail, some chat and thats it. Nothing else at all. At what point do you break compatibility with openSuse, what is the base thing that must be installed for someone to say this is openSuse and I can patch it and that good stuff I suspect that providing you add/remove packages using the official Novell/OpenSuse package management tools, then it shouldn't matter how much you strip out. (I never install X on my servers for example) GTG -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] stripping down opensuse, when does it break compatibility
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 08:09, Abstract wrote: Hi All, I was trying to get openSuse installed on my friends fighteningly old computer. While doing it, I thought it might be good to build him a custom install with autoyast with A LOT of stuff taken out. He will do e-mail, some chat and thats it. Nothing else at all. At what point do you break compatibility with openSuse, what is the base thing that must be installed for someone to say this is openSuse and I can patch it and that good stuff Also, is this type of thing true for all linux systems or openSuse only? As always, thanks for any help or advice. I have an old AMD K6-2/400MHz computer that, IIRC, was a contemporary of the P1 but not equivalent to it. In other words, it is a real dog. It has maybe 128M ram, I don't remember. Its hard drive crashed so I removed it. It has a cd-rom drive, so I use a Knoppix 5 live cd and it works like a champ. I also put in a really cheap nic and it does dsl great. Can you say Thin Client? My grandkids get to use that one 'cause they can't break it or, if they do, so what? Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless mouse battery life [OT?]
Hi, On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:19:33 -0900 John Andersen . wrote: does this mouse require the rf dongle to be clipped under the mouse when not in use as it does on the Logitech i have that is almost a year old and still on the same pair of AA cles i installed when it was given to me last year i use it every day on my laptop running suse 10.2 and most evenings .. The point of the clipping that Peter mentions is that this often turns off the mouse for travel. Other mice have switches. Since the OP has a laptop, I wonder if he dumps the mouse in the bag with the computer only to have its buttons depressed constantly while in the bag, wasting battery? Thanks for all of your answers; there are plenty of things to check/ measure/etc! My mouse is an optical one as it was asked and has a little switch on its bottom side. It's always just turned ON, when it is in use, otherwise it's OFF! All the day the whole stuff is on my desk and if it would get temporally into a bag or something, the mouse would be anyway OFF. (+ the mouse travels in its original plastic wrap, where there is no way to push any buttons!) I have a three years old Acer TravelMate 803LMiB having Bluetooth as well. Maybe they really interfere with the mouse's dongle, later running at 27MHz as stated on its bottom side. This I will check first, because when patched my 2.6.5 kernel to use a BT headset, had serious quality problems and maybe that disturbing signals originally came from my mouse's hard- ware... In addition I would consider not to make any bug reports for the oldie Acer laptop, because nobody would care! It's _old_ and during the first week WinXP was erased from it, so was in fact never used as it should be. Acer would even not think that anyone just keeping all the genuine M$ recovery-type media in the cupboard; far away from the production sys- tem. Pelibali:) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
Functionality IS lost when I have programs that cannot access the CD/DVD drive because they are looking for a /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc mount point and wonderful Suse 10.2 won't provide it. Why not? Who knows. I'm curious what applications or programs you are having issues with. I've had just one application (X-Plane) take issue with the way mount points are handled in SUSE, and that is because the installer is poorly (or badly?) programed. The workaround in this case it to sym link /mnt/dvd to /media/XPLANE and it works fine... not the most elegant solution, but the fault (in my opinion) is the X-Plane installer not HAL or anything related to how SUSE implements mount points. Otherwise all applications I have that need to access the DVD writer or DVD reader I have in my PC work perfectly. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:06:54 -0500 Stevens . wrote: I am 2 months into Suse 10.2 and I still do not have a polished system running as well as my old Suse 9.1 that I ran for over 2 years. No wonder that some people got stuck with old releases! I also kept SUSE 9.1, which I consider best even if unsupported. During the beta tests I ran into several newer releases, but they just became more robust. It also could be, that I simply don't use features others nee- ding edge-stuff are interested in, therefore all the 10.x-s got repla- ced on the spare partition I have and now have an extra SUSE 9.1 there;) It's a shame, that on the opensuse list several of the oldie-related threads ended up with the answer do update :( Pelibali -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] I have a problem with grub.
Hi Carlos, Can you post your /boot/grub/menu.lst contents of testing and main system? Maybe you can append also - ls -la of hda06 - fdisk -l /dev/hda - fdisk -l /dev/hdd Michal Carlos E. R. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I added a new hard disk, and it's giving me problems booting the main system. Grub is installed in the MBR of /dev/hda - (hd0) It boots a test partition, /dev/hda9 (hd0,8). An entry in the menu.lst file allows me booting my main linux, in /dev/hdd6, with a separate /boot partition in /dev/hda6: /dev/hda9test system (suse 10.2) /dev/hda6 - /boot |\ /dev/hdd6 - / |= main system (suse 10.2) This grub is installed with: grub: setup --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0) (hd0,8) quit That's the current working situation. What I want to do and doesn't work, is to make the MBR in hda boot instead of the test/boot, the main /boot. I do this: grub root (hd0,5) Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 grub setup --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0) (hd0,5) Checking if /boot/grub/stage1 exists... yes Checking if /boot/grub/stage2 exists... yes Checking if /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 exists... yes Running embed /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0)... 15 sectors are embedded. succeeded Running install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+15 p (hd0,5)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst. .. succeeded Done. It claims to succeed. However, when I boot it enters a loop: after the bios screen goes off, it goes black, blinks twice, and starts the bios booting screen again, never ending. It never displays any error message, or it goes so fast I can't see it. I don't think there is any. I have to boot from a dvd, and reinstall grub booting the test partition again. I can not convince grub to use a different /boot partition. What is wrong? - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF9JVltTMYHG2NR9URAq80AKCSQB+5gD2vGUFpc2ipkwL6iWU+twCePHPH Y7icr69sBA/p4Lv+EuiS3Os= =SUc4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 09:51, Clayton wrote: Functionality IS lost when I have programs that cannot access the CD/DVD drive because they are looking for a /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc mount point and wonderful Suse 10.2 won't provide it. Why not? Who knows. I'm curious what applications or programs you are having issues with. I've had just one application (X-Plane) take issue with the way mount points are handled in SUSE, and that is because the installer is poorly (or badly?) programed. The workaround in this case it to sym link /mnt/dvd to /media/XPLANE and it works fine... not the most elegant solution, but the fault (in my opinion) is the X-Plane installer not HAL or anything related to how SUSE implements mount points. Otherwise all applications I have that need to access the DVD writer or DVD reader I have in my PC work perfectly. That's because you are working in a smaller universe. Never assume that just because something works there that it works everywhere. Dvdshrink is one app that I can think of right now. It runs under wine and expects a mounted device, not a damned media label. It worked just fine under Suse 9.1 and it should work fine now but it doesn't. No, I do not think that I should create a simlink each and every time that I want to use one of these programs that require a device mount point. Yes, I know what the problem is and I would like for the design team to realize that it is a problem that needs to be fixed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
That's because you are working in a smaller universe. Smaller? Naaah... just different. I work in Linux and Unix... work with it every day at home and on the job (no MS in my world). Just never run into problems with mount points and HAL. Dvdshrink is one app that I can think of right now. It runs under wine and expects a mounted device, not a damned media label. I use Linux native tools to rip and burn DVDs (there are some nice ones in the repositories=). It's simply too much hassle to futz around with Windows based applications in Wine. Heck, you could even use... XDVDShrink http://dvdshrink.sourceforge.net/index.html No, I do not think that I should create a simlink each and every time that Never suggested that. Just used the one and only case I have encountered where the way mountpoints for devices are handled created a problem... and that was due to bad programming on the application side. I'm not suggesting a solution here.. just trying to see where the problem is. Trying to understand what is breaking so catastrophically that if it's not fixed it'll drive SUSE into Betamax obscurity. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 10:13 -0500, Stevens wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2007 09:51, Clayton wrote: Functionality IS lost when I have programs that cannot access the CD/DVD drive because they are looking for a /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc mount point and wonderful Suse 10.2 won't provide it. Why not? Who knows. I'm curious what applications or programs you are having issues with. I've had just one application (X-Plane) take issue with the way mount points are handled in SUSE, and that is because the installer is poorly (or badly?) programed. The workaround in this case it to sym link /mnt/dvd to /media/XPLANE and it works fine... not the most elegant solution, but the fault (in my opinion) is the X-Plane installer not HAL or anything related to how SUSE implements mount points. Otherwise all applications I have that need to access the DVD writer or DVD reader I have in my PC work perfectly. That's because you are working in a smaller universe. No, it's because he is realistic! Never assume that just because something works there that it works everywhere. Dvdshrink is one app that I can think of right now. It runs under wine and expects a mounted device, not a damned media label. It worked just fine under Suse 9.1 and it should work fine now but it doesn't. Honestly, you don't try to insert VHS tapes in your CD recorder eh? So what makes OS's any different from that? Do you realise how many steps/versions there are between 9.1 and 10.2 (or whatever you decided to install)? No, I do not think that I should create a simlink each and every time that I want to use one of these programs that require a device mount point. Yes, I know what the problem is and I would like for the design team to realize that it is a problem that needs to be fixed. No, your choice of software needs to be fixed. Launch that thing called firefox and enter 'www.google.com', then do a search for a Linux program that does what you want it to do if your current choice of software doesn't work for you. Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 10:08, pelibali wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:06:54 -0500 Stevens . wrote: I am 2 months into Suse 10.2 and I still do not have a polished system running as well as my old Suse 9.1 that I ran for over 2 years. No wonder that some people got stuck with old releases! I also kept SUSE 9.1, which I consider best even if unsupported. During the beta tests I ran into several newer releases, but they just became more robust. It also could be, that I simply don't use features others nee- ding edge-stuff are interested in, therefore all the 10.x-s got repla- ced on the spare partition I have and now have an extra SUSE 9.1 there;) It's a shame, that on the opensuse list several of the oldie-related threads ended up with the answer do update :( Pelibali I agree. My hda drive is a bootable Suse 9.1. Problem is that I was having problem finding new and improved software that would run on it so I started looking at the new distros. I saw Suse 10.0 go up in flames, followed by horror stories about 10.1, then glowing reports about how much greater 10.2 was. Well, maybe in comparison to 10.0. Look, it generally is a good distro but maybe I can sum up my problems with it like this: The Suse development philosophy is very similar to the guy that won't put the toilet seat down after taking a leak. He figures that everyone should know to test first before flopping. What he doesn't take into account is human nature and he isn't showing consideration for anyone other than himself. Maybe that's a bit harsh, but you get my drift. I use graphical desktops a lot. After 20 years of systems work with various _nixes I detest more and more the inconvenience of CLI. By now the GUIs should have been perfected, but they have not. I copy dvd's and require programs like dvdshrink which has not been ported to linux so I have to run it in wine. It won't work with 10.2. Simple multimedia streams at Yahoo won't play. The default software updater is horrible. In short, I cannot hold Suse 10.2 up to the uninitiated and say, This is a great system when they all look at it and say, This sucks! Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] udev problem
Hey all, This is a problem I had a while back but am having again on a 10.2 install I am trying to get setup. The nvidia driver setup from their site runs fine and installs. Running openGL apps I get NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (Permission denied) Which makes sense because my LDAP user is not part of the video group and the perms on nvidiactl look like crw-rw root video Changing these permission via root and restarting the application as the user makes things peachy .. until they reboot and the perms are reset to these defaults. Now it is my understanding that udev creates the device nodes on startup according to the rules set forth by the various files in /etc/ udev/rules.d In /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules, there is a line that looks like: KERNEL==nvidia*|nvidiactl*, GROUP=video Reading through the man for udev rules tells me that I *should* be able to add a line like this: KERNEL==nvidia*|nvidiactl*, GROUP=video, MODE=0666 To give me the permissions I would like these device nodes created with upon bootup (again this is all under the assumption that udev is doing something). Furthermore I've gone ahead and turned on the debug mode for udev. After a reboot searching through /var/log/ messages brings up nothing regarding /dev/nvidia* and the permissions still remain 0660 instead of 0666. The only difference I can think of is that 10.2 installs with Novell's Apparmor by default. Whether that would interact at this level I am unsure because I haven't done a lot of reading in that direction. However I am now going to attempt a fresh install without any extraneous apps. Any help on this topic would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Todd Smith Systems Administrator - Soho VFX - Visual Effects Studio 99 Atlantic Avenue, Suite 303 Toronto, Ontario, M6K 3J8 (416) 516-7863 http://www.sohovfx.com - Systems Administrator - Soho VFX - Visual Effects Studio 99 Atlantic Avenue, Suite 303 Toronto, Ontario, M6K 3J8 (416) 516-7863 http://www.sohovfx.com - -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] NVidia driver and acpi on 10.2
I'm not sure how you connected to the FTP address you listed in your email, but I was unable to connect to it and find an rpm. If you are using Nvidia drivers from their site you will notice there is a readme there for SuSe users. It is best if you follow the instructions laid out there. I would also suggest NOT following the Yast update source instructions currently for 10.2 because they will give you an unresolvable package dependency error. The best bet you have to install the latest driver is to download and run the shell script. To do this you will have to be in mode 3 (init 3 for those of you who actually still have working X). You will then be thrown through the hoops of the shell script and when the module attempts to build a new kernel module it will fail (at least it did for me).If it didn't fail .. awesome .. if it did it may be because of a missing symlink. If you look at the installer log in /var/log/nvidia-installer.log (this may not be exact), you may see an error like Make: /usr/src/linux/arch/suse/Makefile: file or directory not found. Which is true. The src tree at the arch level is usually not given the name of a distro. As root descend into the src tree to the arch level and do an 'ls' and look at which architecture matches your own (for me its i386, for an AMD64 it would be x86_64). Now just make a simple symlink in /usr/src/linux/arch from whatever your architecture actually is to 'suse' For me its ln -s i386 suse Now rerun the installer script and follow the post install sax2 instructions. Hopefully that will help. Cheers Todd Smith Systems Administrator - Soho VFX - Visual Effects Studio 99 Atlantic Avenue, Suite 303 Toronto, Ontario, M6K 3J8 (416) 516-7863 http://www.sohovfx.com - -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Why I don't upgrade often
Clayton wrote: Functionality IS lost when I have programs that cannot access the CD/DVD drive because they are looking for a /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc mount point and wonderful Suse 10.2 won't provide it. Why not? Who knows. I'm curious what applications or programs you are having issues with. I've had just one application (X-Plane) take issue with the way mount points are handled in SUSE, and that is because the installer is poorly (or badly?) programed. The workaround in this case it to sym link /mnt/dvd to /media/XPLANE and it works fine... not the most elegant solution, but the fault (in my opinion) is the X-Plane installer not HAL or anything related to how SUSE implements mount points. Otherwise all applications I have that need to access the DVD writer or DVD reader I have in my PC work perfectly. C. Well, not exactly CD/DVD, but: -anytime I connect my external disk for backup, the two partitions on it are named differently, which does not really simply my rsync scripts that I use for backup. -anytime I connect my usb-Stick, it is named differently and I need to access it under a different name. Not a big issue, nothing I cannot handle but, please forgive me, seems to come from a hmmm... sick brain. If this is the way it is supposed to work, I REALLY prefer the classic unix way of mounting something manually, without any polish and bells and whistles. At least this worked how it was meant to be. just my 0.02 cents and regards and I apologize, but I could not resist. Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Dell to Expand Linux Options
http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/03/13/7985.aspx --- snip - Your feedback on Dell IdeaStorm has been astounding. Thank you! We hear your requests for desktops and notebooks with Linux. We’re crafting product offerings in response, but we’d like a little more direct feedback from you: your preferences, your desires. We recognize some people prefer notebooks over desktops, high-end models over value models, your favorite Linux distribution, telephone-based support over community-based support, and so on. We can’t offer everything (all systems, all distributions, all support options), so we’ve crafted a survey (www.dell.com/linuxsurvey) to let you help us prioritize what we should deliver for you. Taking a few minutes to complete this survey will help us define our forthcoming Linux-based system offerings. We will close the survey on Friday, March 23. From there, we’ll take some time to analyze your feedback and work to provide the platforms and options you choose. Thanks in advance for your participation. More details soon. Update: We're overwhelmed by your responses, and we know the survey server is overloaded too. We're working on it, and the survey will remain open until March 23, so you'll have plenty of time to make your vote count. --- snap - Survey at http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux Greetings from Stuhr hartmut -- Hartmut Meyer, EMEA NTS Business Development Project Manager SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Volker Smid, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg T: +49 421 3064385 - M: +49 179 2279480 F: +49 421 3064387 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE® Linux Enterprise 10 - Your Linux is ready http://www.novell.com/linux pgpthISyW68qO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] NVidia driver and acpi on 10.2
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 07:10, Stevens wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2007 01:27, Mike Noble wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 06:47, you wrote: On Mar 10, 07 21:26:55 -0800, Mike Noble wrote: I have tried installing the rpm's from SuSe and downloading the drivers from Nvidia, none of them have worked yet. What I get is when it starts graphic mode, it just goes blank and the system is locked. Basically it tells that the driver can not be loaded. If you find a way to get it to work, let me know. Try loading the nvidia kernel module by hand (modprobe nvidia) before switching to runlevel 5. If that helps, a workaround is pretty easy (add modprobe nvidia to /etc/init.d/boot.local). Matthias Tried that, did not help. Screen goes blank and all I can do is reset. Mike Mike: I use nVidia cards here (cheap, good performance) and find that on one system I have to use an older driver, on the older machine I can use the latest driver. Go figure. Do you have a built-in video on the mb? If so, sax2 might be picking it up instead of the nVidia card. man sax2 will help you along if you do. I have that problem on one box here and it is a bitch to remember what to do when I do a kernel upgrade if it's been a while since the last one. (no, I don't write this stuff down When I develop Alzheimers I can start using Windows.) Fred No the MB does not have built in vidio. Here is the system agian: MB: Gigabyte GA-K8NSC-939 Video: EVGA Nvidia 6200 LE Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VMware
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 06:00:49 am [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case of interest to List : [ I have no connection with vmware, other than as a satisfied customer.] ~ From now on, disaster may be too strong a word. VMware Infrastructure for disaster recovery. ~ VMware Infrastructure enables you to recover from disaster so simply and cost-effectively, it may no longer qualify as a disaster. marketing drivel snipped On an OT note, I've been going over the numbers for a virtualization environment. It is interesting to see how the vendors are more-and-more pushing a mainframe-like experience for systems. I just got a presentation by some vendor hawking the HP Superdome servers. Looking a the seven-digit cost for these things, I'm not sure I see the value. This particulary when compared to a series of $20K servers that can also run some form of virtualization for lesser-demand apps. Now back to figuring out my .jpg issues... -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] I have a problem with grub.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-03-14 at 16:09 +0100, Michal Libra wrote: Hi Carlos, Can you post your /boot/grub/menu.lst contents of testing and main system? Maybe you can append also - ls -la of hda06 - fdisk -l /dev/hda - fdisk -l /dev/hdd Ok! main system grub: # Main menu.lst (in /hda6 aka (hd0,5) gfxmenu (hd0,5)/message # default is 0 based default 0 timeout 8 title Linux Main -cer en hdd6 root (hd0,5) kernel /vmlinuz-cer root=/dev/disk/by-label/160_root vga=0x317 selinux=0 splash=verbose resume=/dev/hdd7 showopts apic initrd /initrd-cer title Linux Main (default) en hdd6 root (hd0,5) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/disk/by-label/160_root vga=0x317 selinux=0 splash=verbose resume=/dev/hdd7 showopts apic initrd /initrd and many entries more. The menu doesn't appear, it reboots before, in an infinite loop. 160_root is the label of hdd6. /boot partt. is /dev/hda6. mount -l: /dev/hda6 on /boot type ext2 (rw,noatime,acl,user_xattr) [320_boot1] /dev/hdd6 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,acl,user_xattr) [160_root] /dev/hda9 on /test_a type reiserfs (rw,noatime,acl,user_xattr) [320_test_a] Test system grub (/test_a/boot/grub/menu.lst) - the one that works: # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Thu Feb 8 16:23:28 CET 2007 default 2 timeout 8 gfxmenu (hd0,8)/boot/message title openSUSE 10.2 en 320_test_a root (hd0,8) # Yast no puso apic kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/disk/by-label/320_test_a vga=0x317 resume=/dev/hda5 splash=verbose showopts apic initrd /boot/initrd title Linux Main -cer en hdd6 kernel (hd0,5)/vmlinuz-cer root=/dev/disk/by-label/160_root vga=0x317 selinux=0 splash=verbose resume=/dev/hdd7 showopts apic initrd (hd0,5)/initrd-cer title Linux Main (default) en hdd6 kernel (hd0,5)/vmlinuz root=/dev/disk/by-label/160_root vga=0x317 selinux=0 splash=verbose resume=/dev/hdd7 showopts apic initrd (hd0,5)/initrd The first entry boots the test system. The second and third entries boot the main system correctly. See that they are the same as in the main system grub that doesn't work. nimrodel:~ # ls -la /boot total 13884 drwxr-xr-x 5 root root2048 Mar 13 10:57 . drwxr-xr-x 46 root root4096 Mar 13 13:37 .. - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jan 4 12:51 Este arranque y particion esta dedicada a la particion raiz 6 del disco hdd (label big_root) - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 717694 Mar 13 01:45 System.map-2.6.18.8-0.1-cer - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 744466 Mar 6 17:03 System.map-2.6.18.8-0.1-default - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 512 Nov 5 2005 backup_mbr drwxr-xr-x 4 root root1024 Mar 11 11:58 bck lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 Feb 8 00:01 boot - . - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 72721 Mar 6 17:07 config-2.6.18.8-0.1-default - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10 Mar 11 12:12 cual drwxr-xr-x 2 root root1024 Mar 12 12:16 grub lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Mar 12 12:03 initrd - initrd-2.6.18.8-0.1-default - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3391030 Mar 13 10:42 initrd-2.6.18.8-0.1-cer - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3345389 Mar 12 12:03 initrd-2.6.18.8-0.1-default lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Mar 13 10:46 initrd-cer - initrd-2.6.18.8-0.1-cer drwx-- 2 root root 12288 Nov 7 2002 lost+found - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 379904 Mar 11 21:31 message - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 83147 Jul 10 2003 message.SuSEconfig.2003.07.12-14.33 - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root1009 Mar 11 23:52 notas - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 505 Mar 11 23:52 notas~ - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 87770 Mar 6 17:08 symsets-2.6.18.8-0.1-default.tar.gz - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 344114 Mar 6 17:08 symtypes-2.6.18.8-0.1-default.gz - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 100632 Mar 6 17:08 symvers-2.6.18.8-0.1-default.gz - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1762171 Mar 6 17:07 vmlinux-2.6.18.8-0.1-default.gz lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Mar 12 12:03 vmlinuz - vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.1-default - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1611128 Mar 13 01:46 vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.1-cer - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1475297 Mar 6 17:04 vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.1-default lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Mar 13 10:57 vmlinuz-cer - vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.1-cer nimrodel:~ # Fdisk? Watch out, I have 20 partitions! :-) I'll use parted, it gives better info. /dev/hda: nimrodel:~ # parted /dev/hda print Disk /dev/hda: 320GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Number Start End SizeType File system Flags 1 32.3kB 23.0GB 23.0GB primary fat32boot, , , , , , lba, , , type=0c, , 2 23.0GB 320GB 297GB extended , , , , , , lba, , , type=0f, , 5 23.0GB 29.4GB 6449MB logical linux-swap , , , , , , , , , type=82, , 6 29.4GB 29.5GB 57.5MB logical ext2 , , , , , , , , , type=83, , 7 29.5GB 29.5GB 57.5MB logical ext2 , , , , , , , , , type=83, , 8 29.5GB 29.6GB 57.5MB
[opensuse] Dell Opens a Poll On Linux Options
In response to overwhelming user demand for Linux, Dell has posted a survey on a company blog that asks 'PC users to choose between Linux flavors such as Novell and openSUSE. More at: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Dell to Expand Linux Options
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 08:47:36 am Hartmut Meyer wrote: Update: We're overwhelmed by your responses, and we know the survey server is overloaded too. We're working on it, and the survey will remain open until March 23, so you'll have plenty of time to make your vote count. Yeah, it got slashdotted. I'm surprised at the response. I'm just waiting for MS to come out with MS Linux NT 3.51 -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Server for online-updates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-03-11 at 14:16 +0100, Josef Wolf wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 02:11:24AM +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: Just go to Yast, select source, type yours. You can't do that while installing. True... same thing as you can not select an addon source while upgrading, because network is down. You can type the external ftp/http source, sure: but networks is down, source is rejected. However... you could do a network install, I think. Create an ftp server, intranet side, load it with oss, non-oss, and updates... hold on, you might have the same problem with the updates. :-( If you mean during the install phase, I don't like to allow updates during the install. What's wrong with that? I find this very convenient. You get an up-to-date system right after the install. True, but the method is error prone. A problem, and system is hosed, need a restart procedure. I prefer having a running system earlier, start looking around, configure things, while YOU is fetching things. If it crashes, system is ok. Almost. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF+B6etTMYHG2NR9URAuGlAKCTsq69+Ha4hdDmyc0bqcNepMPQWACfZ+/U DSuQOmC9WCwGlUXiawQndBo= =copL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Server for online-updates
On Wed, 14 Mar, 2007 at 17:11:07 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote: snip However... you could do a network install, I think. Create an ftp server, intranet side, load it with oss, non-oss, and updates... hold on, you might have the same problem with the updates. :-( In the context of this happening 'behind' a proxy, would it not be possible to 'intercept' the install-system's get-a-list-of-update-servers call. And have the proxy answer the request with a 'list' of the proxy-server itself as the only update-server available? /Jon -- YMMV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Microsoft ordered to pay Alcatel-Lucent $1.5 bln in patent case - MarketWatch
David Brodbeck wrote: Russell Jones wrote: You misunderstand. If Vorbis v1.3 (say) infringes a (submarine or otherwise) patent, the next version, e.g. v2.0, will be changed such that it does not. You just won't be able to play v1.3 files on a v2.0 player. That seems like a serious disincentive to designing hardware around the format, though. People are going to be unhappy if they spend $300 a new Yoyodyne Oggmaster music player and it doesn't play their old Ogg files. Or if the music player they bought a year ago suddenly can't play new music. I'd hate to be the tech support person who had to explain that one. Quite correct. And a converter could not be provided without a license from the patent holder. It would be highly damaging, but not the end of Ogg/Vorbis per se. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Microsoft ordered to pay Alcatel-Lucent $1.5 bln in patent case - MarketWatch [OT]
Russell Jones wrote: David Brodbeck wrote: Russell Jones wrote: That is incorrect: http://www.vorbis.com/faq/#_fpsupport Their link to the integer-only implementation is broken. But I believe them that it exists. ;) Looks like one of Xiph's servers is down. SVN doesn't work and neither does their wiki. Back up now, FWIW. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [SLE] Slow transfers from Linux Server
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 21:14, John Andersen wrote: Have you tried to move a 650meg iso across nfs, and then do the same move across ssh from and to the same source/destination? I think you will find that on local networks where nothing is less than 100meg that ssh is quite a bit slower than a well tuned nfs. Just in case you're still interested, I'm doing this now, and I'm getting a constant data rate of over 10MB/s (in real data, not bits over the wire). This means a 100MB file transfers in 9 seconds, or 1024MB in 1 minute 34 seconds. All using scp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] suse 10.1 and sata II vt8251
How to install suse 10.1 on sata II vt8251? Any idea? thanks. []'s marcelo rocha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Microphone fixed on laptop
I have very good news. Hopefully this may help others. For the last 3-months or so my Microphone on my HP5237 laptop has not worked. I actually purchased a USB microphone which did work in the mean time. Now I have it worked. All I did was d/l and compile and install the latest ALSA drivers. http://www.alsa-project.org/ 1.0.14rc3 Cheers, Bob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Installing and starting Postgresql 8.2.3 from source
Hello, I have downloaded and compiled postgresql 8.2.3 from source. I have it running just fine under OpenSuse 10.1. My question is, how do I get postgresql to start at boot? When I installed postgresql 8.1 from rpm, it installed rcpostgresql and the server automatically started at boot. Is there somewhere I can find rcpostgresql? Much thanks, -Jeff -Jeff -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Dell Opens a Poll On Linux Options
In response to overwhelming user demand for Linux, Dell has posted a survey on a company blog that asks 'PC users to choose between Linux flavors such as Novell and openSUSE. More at: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/linux Of course Dell is smart enough to realize that web polls are worth a pile of something warm and stinky but anything that will draw people to their site is worth doing. If you don't have a legitimate interest/intention in buying a Dell with Linux preloaded then you shouldn't vote in the survey; a stuffed ballot box is obvious to anyone. Which I think explains: overwhelming user demand for Linux in the first place, but... it got them an appearance on Slashdot. Score one for the Dell marketing department. I'm not going to vote because (a) I'm never going to buy a Dell and (b) I don't care what OS comes preloaded since I'm going to wipe it anyway and reinstall. Anyone who matches (a) *or* (b) should also refrain from voting. --- Adam Tauno Williams Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Dell Opens a Poll On Linux Options
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 19:49, Adam Williams wrote: I'm not going to vote because (a) I'm never going to buy a Dell and (b) I don't care what OS comes preloaded since I'm going to wipe it anyway and reinstall. Anyone who matches (a) *or* (b) should also refrain from voting. Yes, that's right, let's all sit back and allow the MS Tax to continue. Let's not let anyone know how many we are, then we are free to grumble for all eternity that so-and-so many dollars out of every computer purchase go to Redmond regardless of what we actually use on it In fact, let's not tell anyone anything about what we do. Let's all just download in all quietness, set firefox to identify itself as internet explorer, and pretend we're using Vista. With a little luck, following your lead, in a few years, we won't have any support from any vendor regarding anything. Won't that be fun -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Dell Opens a Poll On Linux Options
On 3/14/07, Adam Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not going to vote because (a) I'm never going to buy a Dell and (b) I don't care what OS comes preloaded since I'm going to wipe it anyway and reinstall. Anyone who matches (a) *or* (b) should also refrain from voting. (b) is definitely not a good reason not to vote. One of the major issues is driver support for Dell hardware. So especially if you voting for some limited volume distro, it lets Dell know they need to ensure their hardware is supported by the vanilla kernel etc. iirc, I believe I've heard horror stories where the Dell hardware raid drivers were not working well in early 2.6.x kernels. Occasionally someone would boot a linux distro and cause all their data to be lost. Particularily in cases like storage Dell needs to be testing vanilla kernels and ensuring they at minimum do no harm. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 04:35, Stevens wrote: Look, Mac, when a non-guru like my daughter or son-in-law runs into roadblocks like these, they don't have (and should not need) the expertise it takes to hammer out a command line workaround. The system should just work. No muss, no fuss, just work. And there are really important (to lots of folks) parts of Suse 10.2 that don't. At least they don't here. What's wrong with that? All the above says is that some of the edges need to be smoothed. But it seems that the development team has not addressed that and apparently there is an attitude about it on this list and perhaps on some on the developers. Yet a simple indicator is the number of threads with similar content:update issues, usb, smb, menu, etc. If these issues were addressed the same way the new kde menu was, there would be a lot more happiness. examples? there are quite a few, and really it is not a matter of proper app choice. Sometimes there is only one choice. My wife should have no problem sending the fresh digicam pics to her xp machine from my 10.2, it is very frustrating that linux saiz she needs a login and a password when she can just walk to the next desk and pull the same pics, from the same shared linux directory, thru her xp, WITHOUT so much as a hint of a requirement for a pword or login!!! Yes, I have fixed that, BUT, that's not how the *default* install was!!! On the other hand I have not been able to fix the mplayer/flash/java roll of the dice with on line video. While this might also fall under the simple click and work category, I do not think that would be as easily fixable as Fred would like. But it should be considered a sin if the easy fixes are not imlemented. d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel Modules (WAS: Re: [opensuse] samba vs cifs ... what's the diff?)
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 14:45, Kai Ponte wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2007 01:05:26 am Marcus Meissner wrote: Someone at novel must have been able to predict or even after the fact see that removing smbfs AND usbfs support from the kernel is bound to lead into at least some 10.2 sales losses. The fact that a recompile is required is guarranteed to turn some customers away and both file systems are needed for basic functionality in some major applications. sales losses are quite difficult for a product that is mostly downloaded. The next 10.2 kernel update will include USBFS again btw. Just out of curiosity - why are some items called kernel modules and others not? Because some items are modules that plug into the kernel and some aren't? The kernel runs with complete access to hardware, it can (with some limitations) address memory that user space applications can't. Some things need that while others don't. In the case of samba, there are user space versions. You really only need the kernel support when you want to mount a samba share and make it part of the linux virtual file system For example, I often use the Cisco VPN client to telecommute. It seems that every few weeks - I guess when kernel update happens - the client fails. I'm then forced to recompile. In the case of a vpn client I would tend to agree, I see very little reason for placing that inside the kernel Incidentally (but I guess you know this) there is an ancient debate over the relative merits of monolithic (i.e. do everything in kernel space) vs. micro-kernels (kernels that do as little as possible in kernel space) It usually ends up being a question of performance. For design, micro kernels usually win hands down, while for performance, the micro kernels haven't even reached the starting line when the monolithic kernels drink the victory champagne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Running services as non-root user
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 14:06, Abstract wrote: Hello All, I seem to be a little confused, so I may already know the correct answer , or may be stating it in the question. I know that you should try and not run anything as root. For example, when you install mysql server, it starts with either the mysql user or the nobody user. #1. What is this nobody user? It seems that you cannot log in as nobody. Is this a generic guest like account just for running services? Is this like the mysql user but with a different name? what do you call these types of accounts? It's just an account where logins have been disabled, for security reasons #2. Also, it seems to me that binding to a port would be a root level access thing. No, only ports 0-1023 are restricted to root. For example, if a start a program to bind to port 15000 then nothing else can bind to that port. Does it work like level of importance? If root wants to bind to that port does it drop the nobody user from that port? No, not by default, root would get an error saying that the port is in use (although he can of course kill the process using the port if he wants to) #3. Should you have a different nobody like user for each service you want to run? Or is that overkill? There already are, for most of the normal services shipping in suse. e.g. wwwrun for apache, sshd for sshd, ntp for the ntp daemon and so on. Have a look in /etc/passwd for the complete list. All the lines that end in /bin/false have logins disabled -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
Look, Mac, when a non-guru like my daughter or son-in-law runs into roadblocks like these, they don't have (and should not need) the expertise it takes to hammer out a command line workaround. The system should just work. No muss, no fuss, just work. And there are really important (to lots of folks) parts of Suse 10.2 that don't. At least they don't here What's wrong with that? All the above says is that some of the edges need to be smoothed. But it seems that the development team has not addressed that and apparently there is an attitude about it on this list and perhaps on some on the developers. Yet a simple indicator is the number of threads with similar content:update issues, usb, smb, menu, etc. If these issues were addressed the same way the new kde menu was, there would be a lot more happiness. I don't know; if only the squeeky wheels post to the list maybe there are LOTS of people out there for whom it just works. For me video/flash/java works perfectly, on both my laptop and my workstation. Of course, it SHOULD work for everyone, but because it doesn't work for some people doesn't mean it doesn't work for anyone, or even most people. just walk to the next desk and pull the same pics, from the same shared linux directory, thru her xp, WITHOUT so much as a hint of a requirement for a pword or login!!! Yes, I have fixed that, BUT, that's not how the *default* install was!!! Did you file a bug report? --- Adam Tauno Williams Consultant - http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] gcc-34 c++ amd64 (to compile Oracle)
I am trying to install Oracle 10g on Xen with Suse 10.2. How do I find and install an older version. I am great with Yast, but not sure how to do it manually. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless mouse battery life [OT?]
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 22:21, Robert Lewis wrote: John Andersen wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007, Robert Smits wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 09:54, Damon Register wrote: pelibali wrote: batteries and max. 2 weeks they were empty. Now I'm using rechargeable 1,2V AAAs (850mAh) and they last no longer than 10 days with 1-2 hrs I am using a Logitech trackball wireless mouse on my PC tower and a wired version on my son's notebook PC. The battery in the wireless seems to last about 3 to 6 months. I'm using a Targus optical mouse, which is powered by 2 AAA batteries. A new set of Duracells typically last a couple of days. I just use rechargeables, and have one set recharging while the other set is in the mouse. They go about a year before they need to be replaced. Yikes. couple days? Throw that thing away and get a Logitech wireless optical. My wife got one for christmas and she till has not replaced the batteries. She uses it for a couple hours every day and can't be bothered to shut it off. It has some auto-power save mode built in. I use a Logitec cordless optical mouse with two batteries. It typically lasts two or three months with continuous usage by me and my wife. For those who like trackballs (I'm one) why not just plug one in? Since they don't use desk space, you're not hauling the cord around obstacles, etc. I don't care for the Logitek, I think the ball is too small and in the wrong place. I have 2 Kensington optical wired t/b's and they work fine. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Microphone fixed on laptop
Robert Lewis wrote: I have very good news. Hopefully this may help others. For the last 3-months or so my Microphone on my HP5237 laptop has not worked. I actually purchased a USB microphone which did work in the mean time. Now I have it worked. All I did was d/l and compile and install the latest ALSA drivers. http://www.alsa-project.org/ 1.0.14rc3 Cheers, Bob It can help for me. My microphone also doesn't work (Acer Aspire 5102); the rest of the sound works, including headphone. But just before I compile and install the latest ALSA drivers, I want to ask you (or someone else) some suse basics: - do I have to deinstall alsa first (via yast)? - if the result doesn't work, how do I uninstall it? does the install command automatically make a log? Thanks, André -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 10:35, Stevens wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2007 05:19, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2007 05:06:54 Stevens wrote: Media devices mount by the volume info which renders any software invalid that expects to see a fixed mount point. Yes, someone here posted a link to a workaround but my question is: why in Hell did Suse allow this bastardized code to make it into production in the first place? It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the system should provide static mount points for a device, not the %$#@ volume info of the media in it. /soapbox off If you add the device to fstab, the media system will ignore the device and not try to mount it. Now, for that you need a device name, and you can get one using /dev/dsk/by-id I guess. I don't think there is any functonality lost here. You are certainly entitled to your opinion which, in this case, is wrong. Functionality IS lost when I have programs that cannot access the CD/DVD drive because they are looking for a /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc mount point and wonderful Suse 10.2 won't provide it. Why not? Who knows. As one writer said here recently, Solaris has been providing both volume label mounts and links to device mount for years. Look, Mac, when a non-guru like my daughter or son-in-law runs into roadblocks like these, they don't have (and should not need) the expertise it takes to hammer out a command line workaround. The system should just work. No muss, no fuss, just work. And there are really important (to lots of folks) parts of Suse 10.2 that don't. At least they don't here. Just remember that Betamax was a superior video tape recording system but it lost out to VHS and became a historical footnote. I don't want Suse to do the same because the system development teams can't see the big picture. Fred I really don't have anything useful to the list to add, but perhaps useful to Novell and the developers: I agree 100% with the previous writer. If Linux is ever to have a significant proportion of the market, it must be at least as big as the Mac market to survive, and it _must be user-friendly_ or it will be as dead as CPM and DOS. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Running services as non-root user
On 3/14/07, Abstract [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anders, thanks for the help, I will look into this immediately. Just to add to what Anders said: using different users for different services is one more protection level, as if such a service get compromised, the atacker will not be able to mess with other services. Lets say, if both apache and mysql run as user nobody, then if someone compromises mysql and can make mysqld to execute arbitrary code - this new attack code will run as nobody as well. Now if apache is running as nobody , the attacker can mess with the apache process. So, in general, if you plan to run your own service, better create a new user for it. Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] udev problem
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:39:44AM -0400, M. Todd Smith wrote: debug mode for udev. After a reboot searching through /var/log/ messages brings up nothing regarding /dev/nvidia* and the permissions still remain 0660 instead of 0666. The only difference I can think of is that 10.2 installs with Novell's Apparmor by default. Whether that would interact at this level I am unsure because I haven't done a lot of reading in that AppArmor doesn't modify, enforce, or even notice, the standard unix permissions. AppArmor -can- cause applications to fail due to insufficient permissions, but that happens completely orthogonal to the standard unix discretionary access controls. When AppArmor rejects permissions, it will log the failure to /var/log/audit/audit.log (if the audit daemon is running) or /var/log/messages (if auditd isn't running, and syslog has a standard-enough-configuration). Run aa-logprof at an unconfined root prompt to be walked through modifying AppArmor profiles. If it quickly returns, then AppArmor isn't at fault. :) (The yast gui also has some online help, which may help to answer some questions; you may prefer it.) For the permissions changing, I can only think of /etc/permissions* -- but I don't know this system well. pgpyq6TVn45d3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Microphone fixed on laptop
On 3/14/07, drek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It can help for me. My microphone also doesn't work (Acer Aspire 5102); the rest of the sound works, including headphone. But just before I compile and install the latest ALSA drivers, I want to ask you (or someone else) some suse basics: - do I have to deinstall alsa first (via yast)? - if the result doesn't work, how do I uninstall it? does the install command automatically make a log? Thanks, André make make install make uninstall Works for most of the projects, I do not know for alsa. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap.
Re: [opensuse] Microphone fixed on laptop
drek wrote: Robert Lewis wrote: I have very good news. Hopefully this may help others. For the last 3-months or so my Microphone on my HP5237 laptop has not worked. I actually purchased a USB microphone which did work in the mean time. Now I have it worked. All I did was d/l and compile and install the latest ALSA drivers. http://www.alsa-project.org/ 1.0.14rc3 Cheers, Bob It can help for me. My microphone also doesn't work (Acer Aspire 5102); the rest of the sound works, including headphone. But just before I compile and install the latest ALSA drivers, I want to ask you (or someone else) some suse basics: - do I have to deinstall alsa first (via yast)? - if the result doesn't work, how do I uninstall it? does the install command automatically make a log? Thanks, André I did not uninstall the original. I just did: Configure make make install (as root on this one) The install command outputs to standard out everything it is doing. You could always use the tee command to capture the output Two benefits were observed. 1) output volume on speakers was louder 2) Microphone worked I was very happy after trying this and failing with earlier versions of alsa. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 14:56, Doug McGarrett wrote: ... I really don't have anything useful to the list to add, but perhaps useful to Novell and the developers: I agree 100% with the previous writer. If Linux is ever to have a significant proportion of the market, it must be at least as big as the Mac market to survive, and it _must be user-friendly_ or it will be as dead as CPM and DOS. I hear this again and again, but it's absurd. There is far more to computing that home and office desktops. CPM and DOS were never used to run large e-commerce and other Internet services. There was nothing compelling enough about them to keep them going and they had too many deficits to continue in the face of rapidly advancing technology and requirements. That is not true of Linux and will not be true for the foreseeable future. Linux will not die for the simple reason that it is absolutely essential to the likes of Google, Amazon and many, many others. I don't really have any idea (nor do I care) what it would take to make Linux displace Windows or give it a comparable share of users to Mac OS X. I don't need anything from Linux that it does not already have in order to make it invaluable to me in my day-to-day work. Nor does the continued existence of Windows really harm me. It sometimes makes my work a little harder, but it's just one among many sources of such challenges. We probably should not want any one operating system, be it proprietary, open-source or a hybrid, to displace all others. Monopolies and monocultures have bad consequences by their inherent nature. You claim that Linux's continued existence is contingent upon it satisfying the needs of non-technical users of computers. That's not true, nor will Windows disappear any time soon, and that's true regardless of how brilliantly Linux advances. Because Windows will continue to be a predominant OS for a very long time, I think computing professionals should pressure Windows to get its technological act together (especially regarding security). And institutional and government users, not to mention law-enforcement agencies, should be pressuring (or litigating) Microsoft to do business in a more honorable fashion. Were it not for all those easily compromised Windows boxes out there, the security and privacy landscape today would be a lot more benign. Then we could all just choose the platform that suits us and / or our customers best and let legitimate market forces play their role in driving the advancement of information technology. (And by the way, by getting Windows' security act together I do _not_ mean their so-called Trusted Computing Initiative.) --doug Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Installing and starting Postgresql 8.2.3 from source
Jeff Lanzarotta wrote: I have downloaded and compiled postgresql 8.2.3 from source. I have it running just fine under OpenSuse 10.1. My question is, how do I get postgresql to start at boot? When I installed postgresql 8.1 from rpm, it installed rcpostgresql and the server automatically started at boot. Is there somewhere I can find rcpostgresql? the src.rpm for the latest rpm you can find specifically for suse (though the rcxxx is just a link to /etc/init.d/program script name. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] how to run multiple version of firefox
Does anyone know how you can run multiple versions of firefox. I have version 2.0.0.2 installed on opensuse 10.2 and I downloaded firefox 1.5.0.10. When I have one version running and try to open up a new window using the other version it just runs the same version that I already have open. If I close both windows and then open up the other version the same thing happenshope this makes sense. Thanks, Dan. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] ssh
Hi! In the file: /etc/ssh/sshd_config you can change the line with #PermitRootLogin yes into PermitRootLogin without-pasword This retrict you either to do a su - from a nonpriviliged user, or use a key-pair. Works like a charm! But how can i tweak this value in xml for autoyast? Kind regards, hans -- pgp-id: 926EBB12#PermitRootLogin yes pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] samba vs cifs ... what's the diff?
On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 22:49 -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote: I have used the terms samba and cifs as essentially interchangeable. However lately on the list I have seen postings that discuss cifs as being not fully baked despite that SUSE has shifted to it ... I've done some googling, but the sheer volume of site having to do with these topics is over-whelming. Many seem to use the terms interchangeably, as I have. Can someone provide me a quick high-level description of the distinguishing characteristics? Peter Wasn't cifs intended to connect onto a different IP-port (3020) ??? (instead of the netbios 137,138,139) -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] udev problem
M. Todd Smith wrote: Running openGL apps I get NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (Permission denied) Which makes sense because my LDAP user is not part of the video group and the perms on nvidiactl look like crw-rw root video Changing these permission via root and restarting the application as the user makes things peachy .. until they reboot and the perms are reset to these defaults. Is there a reason you do not just add that user to the video group? -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] udev problem
M. Todd Smith wrote: [...] In /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules, there is a line that looks like: KERNEL==nvidia*|nvidiactl*, GROUP=video Reading through the man for udev rules tells me that I *should* be able to add a line like this: KERNEL==nvidia*|nvidiactl*, GROUP=video, MODE=0666 ^^^ quotation mark missing here I think it should read something like: KERNEL==nvidia*|nvidiactl*, NAME=%k, GROUP=video, MODE=666 Cheers, Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Why I don't upgrade often
Eberhard Roloff wrote: Well, not exactly CD/DVD, but: -anytime I connect my external disk for backup, the two partitions on it are named differently, which does not really simply my rsync scripts that I use for backup. What I did for that is first umount via /dev/node, then I went ahead and then added code to fsck if needed, then remount to a fixed mount point. It is working great. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how to run multiple version of firefox
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 06:25:26 pm Dan wrote: Does anyone know how you can run multiple versions of firefox. I have version 2.0.0.2 installed on opensuse 10.2 and I downloaded firefox 1.5.0.10. When I have one version running and try to open up a new window using the other version it just runs the same version that I already have open. If I close both windows and then open up the other version the same thing happenshope this makes sense. Did you install both in the same folder? Also, did you install both from RPM? I had both 1.5.x and 2.0.x running at the same time for awhile. I had 1.5 running from RPM and 2.0 running from my /home/kai/apps/firefox folder, where I installed it from the download. The only issue was that it kept checking for my extensions everytime I launched one version or another. -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 04:03:33 pm Randall R Schulz wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2007 14:56, Doug McGarrett wrote: ... I really don't have anything useful to the list to add, but perhaps useful to Novell and the developers: I agree 100% with the previous writer. If Linux is ever to have a significant proportion of the market, it must be at least as big as the Mac market to survive, and it _must be user-friendly_ or it will be as dead as CPM and DOS. I hear this again and again, but it's absurd. There is far more to computing that home and office desktops. CPM and DOS were never used to run large e-commerce and other Internet services. That's because Al Gore hadn't invented e-commerce yet. Linux will not die for the simple reason that it is absolutely essential to the likes of Google, Amazon and many, many others. Exactly. Even if it were to stumble and fail on the desktop, it will continue to thrive in the server room. Keep in mind - even the many Windows weenies I know have a linux server or two (or a hundred) in their cold rooms. I don't really have any idea (nor do I care) what it would take to make Linux displace Windows or give it a comparable share of users to Mac OS X. Aren't Linux and Macintosh about equivalent in market share? I seem to remember reading that somewhere. I don't need anything from Linux that it does not already have in order to make it invaluable to me in my day-to-day work. Nor does the continued existence of Windows really harm me. It sometimes makes my work a little harder, but it's just one among many sources of such challenges. We probably should not want any one operating system, be it proprietary, open-source or a hybrid, to displace all others. Monopolies and monocultures have bad consequences by their inherent nature. Bingo! Yeah, it makes things a little easier for lazy programmers, but the end result is lack of innovation and being force-fed something we may not want. You claim that Linux's continued existence is contingent upon it satisfying the needs of non-technical users of computers. That's not true, nor will Windows disappear any time soon, and that's true regardless of how brilliantly Linux advances. Because Windows will continue to be a predominant OS for a very long time, I think computing professionals should pressure Windows to get its technological act together (especially regarding security). And institutional and government users, not to mention law-enforcement agencies, should be pressuring (or litigating) Microsoft to do business in a more honorable fashion. Were it not for all those easily compromised Windows boxes out there, the security and privacy landscape today would be a lot more benign. Then we could all just choose the platform that suits us and / or our customers best and let legitimate market forces play their role in driving the advancement of information technology. Heh - I had to laugh today. While dealing with various comprimises to our Windows 2003 workstations in the cold room, I went to login. I was told the password (currently: p14yp0k3r) to one workstation but it turns out - at least they changed the administrator name from Administrator to supremebeing. Those server guys have one odd sense of humor. -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Wireless mouse battery life [OT?]
Robert Smits wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 17:41, John Andersen wrote: Yikes. couple days? Throw that thing away and get a Logitech wireless optical. My wife got one for christmas and she till has not replaced the batteries. She uses it for a couple hours every day and can't be bothered to shut it off. It has some auto-power save mode built in. Why would I do that? It's about 30 hours of use, and costs me nothing but a little bit of electricity. It's a nice mouse. Bob We bought a couple cheapie wireless keyboard/mouse combos from Wally World back before Christmas. My better half uses hers almost everyday and hasn't had to replace any batteries. I haven't tried mine 'cause I don't know if we can use them so close together. -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how to run multiple version of firefox
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 21:38, Kai Ponte wrote: Did you install both in the same folder? Also, did you install both from RPM? I had both 1.5.x and 2.0.x running at the same time for awhile. I had 1.5 running from RPM and 2.0 running from my /home/kai/apps/firefox folder, where I installed it from the download. The only issue was that it kept checking for my extensions everytime I launched one version or another. Point is, they both will run from the same ~/.mozilla/firefox directory for the setup and the LOCK file. (and bookmarks and history files, etc) Thus, I think it would be difficult to run both CONCURRENTLY and I don't know why anyone would want to do that. Run 1.5.xx or run 2.0.xxeach on its own, but not at the same time. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Yast - to upgrade Distribution ?
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 08:57, Abstract wrote: Adding to that, can smart or any other package manager be used instead? I know in the past I heard you could not upgrade suse major revision upgrades, just minor. -rami On 3/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - can yast be used to upgrade Distribution ? for example. upgrade from SuSE 10.2 to 13.0 ? WelllDon't know about now, but way back when, I upgraded 8.0 to 8.1 with apt-get. Just changed my source files from 8.0 to 8.1 and let it go. Worked pretty well but there were things that had to be fixed. Would be interesting to know if it can still be done. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how to run multiple version of firefox
On 3/14/07, Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point is, they both will run from the same ~/.mozilla/firefox directory for the setup and the LOCK file. (and bookmarks and history files, etc) Thus, I think it would be difficult to run both CONCURRENTLY and I don't know why anyone would want to do that. Run 1.5.xx or run 2.0.xxeach on its own, but not at the same time. There is this feature - profiles - which do make the difference. so you can run one of them with one profile, and the other with second one. One must check what is the commandline option to invoke the profile manager, or how to run specific profile. That way they will not reuse their configs and mess with each other. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how to run multiple version of firefox
On 3/14/07, Sunny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/14/07, Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point is, they both will run from the same ~/.mozilla/firefox directory for the setup and the LOCK file. (and bookmarks and history files, etc) Thus, I think it would be difficult to run both CONCURRENTLY and I don't know why anyone would want to do that. Run 1.5.xx or run 2.0.xxeach on its own, but not at the same time. There is this feature - profiles - which do make the difference. so you can run one of them with one profile, and the other with second one. One must check what is the commandline option to invoke the profile manager, or how to run specific profile. That way they will not reuse their configs and mess with each other. firefox -P profile - starts with the specific profile firefox -ProfileManager - starts with profile manager So, start with the profile manager, create a new profile for each version, and then change your shortcuts to use -P option. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:56, Doug McGarrett wrote: If Linux is ever to have a significant proportion of the market, it must be at least as big as the Mac market to survive, and it _must be user-friendly_ or it will be as dead as CPM and DOS. Hog wash ... ... MAC gave up being MAC and became MAC OSX (built on FreeBSD) because [in part] Linux market share (on the desktop) had exceeded MAC. MAC shifted to a unix-like format. The point is that MAC is a unix-like OS just as Linux is ... and they are both gaining significant market share threatening M$. Comparing a full multiuser true preemptive multitasking OS (like the Linux or FreeBSD Kernel) to CPM or DOS is like comparing a Ferrari to soap-box racer. Give me a break. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] suse 10.1 and sata II vt8251
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 14:33, anckerDJ wrote: How to install suse 10.1 on sata II vt8251? Any idea? thanks. Um. Put the disk in the drive and let it do it's thing? Seriously, it would help a lot if you described the problem you are having. There are lots of SuSE versions running on Sata 2 out here. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 18:03, Randall R Schulz wrote: CPM and DOS were never used to run large e-commerce and other Internet services. There was nothing compelling enough about them to keep them going and they had too many deficits to continue in the face of rapidly advancing technology and requirements. That is not true of Linux and will not be true for the foreseeable future. Well, actually, Windows 3.1 kept DOS very much alive for several years and long enough to be used in plenty of e-commerce applications... (I was there) of course before they were called e-commerce... :-))) In fact, DOS was still very much evident in Windows 95, 98, and even... yes even W2000. Linux will not die for the simple reason that it is absolutely essential to the likes of Google, Amazon and many, many others. Correct... and because (if you will) the genie (or cat, as you like) is out of the bag for the desk market as well... and growing strong. We probably should not want any one operating system, be it proprietary, open-source or a hybrid, to displace all others. Monopolies and monocultures have bad consequences by their inherent nature. Also correct. No one really wants Coke or Pepsi to die... what we want is choice, freedom, and honest competition. You claim that Linux's continued existence is contingent upon it satisfying the needs of non-technical users of computers. That's not true, nor will Windows disappear any time soon, and that's true regardless of how brilliantly Linux advances. Partially true... Windoze will die... and the first real nails in the coffin lid are M$ Fixta... this is definitely one of those times where giving them enough rope will eventually hang them... the competition will be among the unix-like OSs, and M$ will become unix-like or it will die. (My prediction) Because Windows will continue to be a predominant OS for a very long time, I think computing professionals should pressure Windows to get its technological act together (especially regarding security). And institutional and government users, not to mention law-enforcement agencies, should be pressuring (or litigating) Microsoft to do business in a more honorable fashion. Hog wash... I read every day about one or two more corporations or governments dropping windoze for linux desktop... every day. Folks are just fed up, period. Fixta took five years, millions of people, and billions of dollars--- and its crappy eye candy with all the same old problems that have always plagued it... except that it required MORE memory, MORE CPU, and MORE money... folks are sick and tired of the M$ tax... or should I say FUD money. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Mount problem
Hello SuSE people, First the background. (Please be patient - needed to understand the problem) Have three hard drives hda, which has Windows on it and several ext3 partitions where I put backups, work on graphics, etc. hdb, which has SuSE 10.0 on it, and sda which has a new 10.2 on it. When I am using 10.0 I can see the partitions on hda. (Backup, Workspace. etc.) and am able to mount them just fine. When I am using 10.2 I cannot. I can of course, mount them manually. I want 10.2 to be able to do the same thing as 10.0. (mount them at boot) I used the 10.0 fstab as an example to mount the hda partitions for my 10.2 fstab and added the hda lines I needed. No good. When I boot 10.2 it boots to a console and X is not started. I had to delete the new 10.2 fstab to restart the system. Don't know why this would happen. Ideas? Suggestions?? Bob S. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] ifroute problem
Hi, I have setup dsl0 interface to connect to a windows vpn server using pptp. Manual connect/disconnect. I have selected to not route all the traffic trou the vpn. I need to route only the internal subnet. So, now if I enable the interface (either by ifup dsl0 or using Kinternet) it only adds the route to the gateway at the other end (not default). If I execute route add -net , it establishes the route I need and I can connect to internal machines over the vpn. I want to automate this, and after a lot of reading, ended up to create /etc/sysconfig/network ifroute-dsl0 file, with the appropriate entries. But the routes are not established upon connect. I also tried to create my own bash script, which has only one line: /sbin/route add -net x If I run this script after the connection is established, it works and makes what it is supposed to do. Now I added this script to Kinternet various settings for this device, to be run upon every connect. But ... it does not establish the routes, i.e. looks like it is not called at all. So, my question is: how do I set these routes so I have them when the connection is established? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Mount problem
On 3/14/07, Bob S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello SuSE people, First the background. (Please be patient - needed to understand the problem) Have three hard drives hda, which has Windows on it and several ext3 partitions where I put backups, work on graphics, etc. hdb, which has SuSE 10.0 on it, and sda which has a new 10.2 on it. When I am using 10.0 I can see the partitions on hda. (Backup, Workspace. etc.) and am able to mount them just fine. When I am using 10.2 I cannot. I can of course, mount them manually. I want 10.2 to be able to do the same thing as 10.0. (mount them at boot) I used the 10.0 fstab as an example to mount the hda partitions for my 10.2 fstab and added the hda lines I needed. No good. When I boot 10.2 it boots to a console and X is not started. I had to delete the new 10.2 fstab to restart the system. Don't know why this would happen. Ideas? Suggestions?? Bob S. Without the fstab entries you try one can only guess what's going wrong. And, why not use YaST Partitioner to make the mounts in 10.2. It should do the job right. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 20:51, M Harris wrote: Also correct. No one really wants Coke or Pepsi to die... what we want is choice, freedom, and honest competition. Or Mountain Dew! Partially true... Windoze will die... and the first real nails in the coffin lid are M$ Fixta... this is definitely one of those times where giving them enough rope will eventually hang them... the competition will be among the unix-like OSs, and M$ will become unix-like or it will die. (My prediction) Good call, the next version of Windows, Longhorn, will come with Windows optional. Not only headless, which 2003 can do, but also gui-less. This only applies for core server configurations; if the server will do more, it will need a gui. However, this definitely sounds like a shift in philosophy for M$. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 18:03, Randall R Schulz wrote: I don't really have any idea (nor do I care) what it would take to make Linux displace Windows or give it a comparable share of users to Mac OS X. I don't need anything from Linux that it does not already have in order to make it invaluable to me in my day-to-day work. This is the essence of the attitude of which I wrote earlier. I could not have expressed it better. We probably should not want any one operating system, be it proprietary, open-source or a hybrid, to displace all others. Monopolies and monocultures have bad consequences by their inherent nature. Very true. Just as tool boxes are full of both metric and SAE sockets here, as well as phillips and slotted head screwdrivers. You claim that Linux's continued existence is contingent upon it satisfying the needs of non-technical users of computers. I didn't but it is an interesting point. What satisfying their needs would do is allow Linux to make inroads into a massively M$ world. As it stands now, it ain't ready for prime time. Close, but still no cigar. = By the way, I just spent 4 more hours trying to get the mplayer, mplayerplug-in and Firefox to work together and it still does not. This weekend I will flush 10.2 out of my daughter's puter and install FC-6/KDE and see what that does. If everything starts working after that. it is a good indication that there is something fundamentally wrong in Suse/KDE. I'll report back with the results, probably the first part of next week. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 22:32, Stevens wrote: I didn't but it is an interesting point. What satisfying their needs would do is allow Linux to make inroads into a massively M$ world. As it stands now, it ain't ready for prime time. Close, but still no cigar. Hog wash... ... Its in prime time now bubba... wake up and smell the coffee dude! Dell is in the process as we speak of deciding which flavors to serve up in their next wave of prime-time preloads... its here now and its looking like beauty babe ... have a cigar~ -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Lexmark X4270
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 3:49:01 am Johannes Meixner wrote: Regarding the old article about Problems with Lexmark Drivers under SuSE Linux 8.1: Even if current drivers from Lexmark support CUPS, they may fail for whatever reason if something in the print system is upgraded to a future version. That IS almost a certainty. Fred -- Remember, a consumer is a customer with no choice. DRM 'manages access' in the same way that jail 'manages freedom.' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 06:39:36 pm M Harris wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:56, Doug McGarrett wrote: If Linux is ever to have a significant proportion of the market, it must be at least as big as the Mac market to survive, and it _must be user-friendly_ or it will be as dead as CPM and DOS. Hog wash ... ... MAC gave up being MAC and became MAC OSX (built on FreeBSD) because [in part] Linux market share (on the desktop) had exceeded MAC. MAC shifted to a unix-like format. The point is that MAC is a unix-like OS just as Linux is ... and they are both gaining significant market share threatening M$. Comparing a full multiuser true preemptive multitasking OS (like the Linux or FreeBSD Kernel) to CPM or DOS is like comparing a Ferrari to soap-box racer. ...and don't forget that WinNT (XP/Vista/2003) is not preemptive multitasking either. At least not at the kernel level like Linux 2.6+ is. I was just trying to kill some processes on a Win2003 system today and had to wait for the kernel to finish some tasks before it would die. -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel Modules (WAS: Re: [opensuse] samba vs cifs ... what's the diff?)
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 01:21:03 pm Anders Johansson wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2007 14:45, Kai Ponte wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2007 01:05:26 am Marcus Meissner wrote: Someone at novel must have been able to predict or even after the fact see that removing smbfs AND usbfs support from the kernel is bound to lead into at least some 10.2 sales losses. The fact that a recompile is required is guarranteed to turn some customers away and both file systems are needed for basic functionality in some major applications. sales losses are quite difficult for a product that is mostly downloaded. The next 10.2 kernel update will include USBFS again btw. Just out of curiosity - why are some items called kernel modules and others not? Because some items are modules that plug into the kernel and some aren't? The kernel runs with complete access to hardware, it can (with some limitations) address memory that user space applications can't. Some things need that while others don't. In the case of samba, there are user space versions. You really only need the kernel support when you want to mount a samba share and make it part of the linux virtual file system Oh, okay. So those modules which want (or need) access to the hardware need to be compiled into the kernel? Now, wouldn't they use the HAL to get at the hardware? Just curious. For example, I often use the Cisco VPN client to telecommute. It seems that every few weeks - I guess when kernel update happens - the client fails. I'm then forced to recompile. In the case of a vpn client I would tend to agree, I see very little reason for placing that inside the kernel Incidentally (but I guess you know this) there is an ancient debate over the relative merits of monolithic (i.e. do everything in kernel space) vs. micro-kernels (kernels that do as little as possible in kernel space) Yep! In fact there's a beauty of a post with Mr. Torvalds arguing about it with Andy Tannenbaum back in '91. I remember reading it in the late '90s when I first switched to Linux on a few desktops and then my P133 laptop. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.minix/browse_frm/thread/c25870d7a41696d2/3f6b594a5b4eccb4?lnk=stq=rnum=1#3f6b594a5b4eccb4 http://tinyurl.com/34ojmg It usually ends up being a question of performance. For design, micro kernels usually win hands down, while for performance, the micro kernels haven't even reached the starting line when the monolithic kernels drink the victory champagne Yeah, it kind of reminds me of the old relational vs. hierarchical debate in DBM systems. -- k -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 18:51, M Harris wrote: On Wednesday 14 March 2007 18:03, Randall R Schulz wrote: ... Because Windows will continue to be a predominant OS for a very long time, I think computing professionals should pressure Windows to get its technological act together (especially regarding security). And institutional and government users, not to mention law-enforcement agencies, should be pressuring (or litigating) Microsoft to do business in a more honorable fashion. Hog wash... I read every day about one or two more corporations or governments dropping windoze for linux desktop... every day. Folks are just fed up, period. Fixta took five years, millions of people, and billions of dollars--- and its crappy eye candy with all the same old problems that have always plagued it... except that it required MORE memory, MORE CPU, and MORE money... folks are sick and tired of the M$ tax... or should I say FUD money. Then if MS is competing fairly in the marketplace of ideas within the constraints of limited hardware and software purchasing resources (money, i.e.), then the better player will win. But if MS exerts unjust force, outside proper market mechanisms, then they can continue to (appear to) succeed with an inferior and / or overpriced offering. That's why they must, if necessary, be forced legally to abide by proper competitive practices and not use their existing monopoly to strong-arm hardware vendors and large, institutional purchasers into choosing MS products when those purchasers would be better served by choosing an alternative. M Harris Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
