Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

[M Harris]

On Friday 11 May 2007 23:27, M Harris wrote:
> If the file system has problems then every system would display
> symptoms of those problems... under conditions that are (software remember)
> repeatable... reproduceable... and most importantly, fixable.  Where are
> the bug reports... ?  How come those "bugs" are not affecting my systems?
... and these are some interesting benchmarks for Reiser4


http://www.namesys.com/benchmarks.html






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Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

[M Harris]

On Friday 11 May 2007 23:27, M Harris wrote:
> If the file system has problems then every system would display
> symptoms of those problems... under conditions that are (software remember)
> repeatable... reproduceable... and most importantly, fixable.
... this FAQ from namesys is interesting:

http://www.namesys.com/faq.html





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Re: [opensuse] corrupt beryl on nvidia

[primm]

On Saturday 12 May 2007 03:59, you wrote:
> > It was the stable version hat gave me the problems in the first place. It
> > was opensuse wiki gave me the lead to the snapshot. The results are
> > identical.
> >
> >> Also your  fps rate seems to me a tuch slow.
> >
> > Would this explain the garbled and double windows?
> >
> >> Unfortunately, most of my experience is with gnome. Why don't you try it
> >> with a gnome desktop and see if the thing yu see is still happening.
> >
> > I tried metacity. No luck. Do you mean a gnome installation as opposed to
> > a kde installation?
> >
> > One other thing. It's a widescreen display at 1440x900. Maybe beryl
> > doesn't work with that.
> >
> > Thanks for your patience.
> >
> > Steve.
>
> You still have not mention which version you are using.

Sorry.

> If youare using the 
> Beryl project page, did you compile it?

No.

> Did you install it from the SUSE repository?

Yes. I tried both stable and snapshot versions and then followed the nvidia 
howto on opensuse.

> When I used gnome, I just followed the instructions on SUSE, disabling 3d
> and a few other things.

That's exactly what I did. But I thought that 3D had to be enabled.

> I started it up with Beryl-manager and the system came up with no problem.
>
> I have it now automtaically started in the startup of GNOME.
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Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

[M Harris]

On Friday 11 May 2007 23:27, M Harris wrote:
> If the file system has problems then every system would display
> symptoms of those problems... under conditions that are (software remember)
> repeatable... reproduceable... and most importantly, fixable.  Where are
> the bug reports... ?  How come those "bugs" are not affecting my systems?
... and another thing...

... I looked through the susebugs (on my system, archived for the past 
30 
days) all 7328 of them... and you know what... only two even referenced 
reiserfs...  the first seems to think that reiserfs 10.2 i/o speed is slower 
than 10.0. (266903)  The comment response is choice "Since you're able to 
reproduce the slowdown with hdparm, the file system has
nothing to do with it. "   ahahahahah
 And the second believes that reiserfs has changed the file system on his 
hd to ext3 and then destroyed the partition table on his usb disk?
(230720)   um... no one has responded to that one yet... wonder why?




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Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

[M Harris]

On Friday 11 May 2007 23:00, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> No, there are problems with reiserfs.  I also lost data when a
> reiserfs system crashed and was unrecoverable.
I have several questions for you:

1) Were you aware of the rebuild-index option, and did you try it?
2) Do you honestly believe that reiserfs caused the problem, or might 
you be 
honest enough to admit that "something else" may have "caused" the problem 
which left reiserfs with a broken index... which you did not know how to 
recover?
3) What were the circumstances which led you to "know" that reiserfs 
was the 
culprit?
4) If there are problems with reiserfs, why and how are so many systems 
able to run for years without any difficulty? --- how is this possible?  

If the file system has problems then every system would display 
symptoms of those problems... under conditions that are (software remember) 
repeatable... reproduceable... and most importantly, fixable.  Where are the 
bug reports... ?  How come those "bugs" are not affecting my systems?

Computer science is not voodoo and superstition folks... nor is it 
about how 
anyone religiously feels about their favorite file system (like  vi vs emacs 
discussions).  Think about this... if you believe that reiserfs has 
problems... and everyone knows that the technical reasons for using it in the 
first place are for the provided advantages... why don't you (suse) fix 
the problems??  So, Hans is in the slammer... its open source--- fix it!  
(if its broke, that is).

Last point... you lost data not because reiserfs was broke, or because 
raid 
stripe didn't work, or because of the phase of the moon or the length of a 
witches skirt... you lost data because YOU didn't have it backed up.  




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Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

[Patrick Shanahan]

* M Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-11-07 23:56]:
> On Friday 11 May 2007 21:50, George Osvald wrote:
> > My experience with Reiser is exact opposite. Exf3 has not caused any
> > problems to me ever. Reiser corrupted the file system a couple of
> > times beyond the point of recovery. Also the recovery in Exf3 is much
> > faster. Exf3 simply replays the journal and that's it. Reiser was
> > re-playing records one by one and that usually took much longer (both
> > tested on AMD 64 with 1GB of memory)
>   Your reported experience is irrelevant to the discussion.
> Reiserfs is technically what it is... no more... no less.  It is a
> superior filesystem to EXTx for several technical reasons which are
> incompatible with your experience. I would have to question your
> experience.  This is a technical discussion, not a religious
> testimony.

No, there are problems with reiserfs.  I also lost data when a
reiserfs system crashed and was unrecoverable.  Since, I have moved to
exf3 and have not lost data.  I will stand the extra four or five
minutes when I reboot every other month or so for the file system
checks.

Specs on paper and "superior" technology are not "always" the best
route.

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Re: [opensuse] [OT] - Australian extradited to US to stand trial

[M Harris]

On Friday 11 May 2007 21:42, Damon Register wrote:
> > On Wednesday 09 May 2007 18:08, George Osvald wrote:
> >> I bought a new fridge yesterday. Anybody cares to discuss?
> >
> >   Is it one of those smart fridges with an embedded linux server?
>
> Is that the one that makes ice cream?  I remember reading about an
> ice cream vending machine that was linux based.
I was thinking of the prototype that worked in conjunction with your 
smart 
card... it tells the card that you're low on milk... and then the card tells 
the system at the local grocery, and when you arrive at the checkout with 
your other stuff there is your milk--totalled and waiting in the bag... 
When you arrive home the smart card talks to the fridge and the fridge 
updates its inventory. 

(this is no joke)



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Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

[M Harris]

On Friday 11 May 2007 21:50, George Osvald wrote:
> My experience with Reiser is exact opposite. Exf3 has not caused any
> problems to me ever. Reiser corrupted the file system a couple of times
> beyond the point of recovery. Also the recovery in Exf3 is much faster.
> Exf3 simply replays the journal and that's it. Reiser was re-playing
> records one by one and that usually took much longer (both tested on AMD 64
> with 1GB of memory)
Your reported experience is irrelevant to the discussion. Reiserfs is 
technically what it is... no more... no less.  It is a superior filesystem to 
EXTx for several technical reasons which are incompatible with your 
experience. I would have to question your experience.  This is a technical 
discussion, not a religious testimony.

Having said all of that--- EXTx does work... very well... has for many 
many 
years and will continue to for many many more years. But, reiserfs is 
better... hands down. (or should I say Hans down)

The technical achievement of reiserfs is also completely not relevant 
to 
whether Hans Reiser allegedly murdered his own wife. From the looks of things 
the trial is going to be very complicated... her lover is a known (confessed) 
serial murderer... "he" probably did it. On the other hand we all may be 
looking at a simple case of murderous rage after jealousy.  It doesn't matter 
to the technical community... all of my systems are running reiserfs and have 
for several years now... flawlessly, I might add. 

As a postscript... I remember one problem I had with reiserfs with SuSE 
Professional 9.0--- the machine went down in a thunder storm and following 
would not reboot. The index was so honked that fsck would not run 
automatically.  I had to boot into recovery mode and manually run reiserfsck 
with a rebuild-index. It ran for about 22 seconds, rebuilt the index--- the 
journal restored the meta data... and whalla, the machine was back on-line in 
less than five minutes... and most of that time was spent trying to find my 
recovery CD.  :-P









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Re: [opensuse] wireless for Integrated Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG

[Gordon Holtslander]

Hi:

Worked like a charm :)  Doing my email via my now functional wireless

Thanks

Gord

On Thursday 10 May 2007 19:05, Ben Kevan wrote:
> Just install the ipw-firmware and ipw3945d packages from the non-oss
> repository
>
> You should be fine then.
>
> Ben
>
> On Thursday 10 May 2007 13:08, Gordon J. Holtslander wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > Just bought an hp nx 7400 laptop with  Integrated Intel PRO/Wireless
> > 3945ABG.
> >
> > I'm trying to get the wireless working with openSuse 10.2
> >
> > before wiping windows off the computer I set up my wireless router to
> > communicate with the laptop.
> >
> > After replacing Windows with OpenSuse 10.2, I am unable to use wireless
> > networking on the system.  I have configured the wireless with the same
> > parameters I used when Windows was on the system.
> >
> > The wireless hardware is recognized - I can configure the card in YAST -
> > both the wired card and the wireless card are recognized.
> >
> > There is a wireless switch on the computer.  I turn it on and the wirless
> > indicator lights up on the switch and on the indicator lamp on the front
> > of the laptop.
> >
> > When I run Network Manager it does not recognize that the system has
> > wireless. When I run the KDE wireless monitor it states that wireless has
> > been disabled.
> >
> > I see that Intel has a linux driver for this hardware:
> > http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > I am assuming installing this driver would get the wireless networking
> > functional.
> >
> > I assume that since YAST recognizes that there is a wireless networking
> > hardware on the computer that some of the necessary driver parts have
> > been installed.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me how to determine what needs to be done to get this
> > working, apart from completely installing the driver?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gord
> >
> >
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Re: [opensuse] wireless for Integrated Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG

[Gordon Holtslander]

thanks,  Works like a charm.  Replying via my functional wireless networking

Gord

On Thursday 10 May 2007 19:05, Ben Kevan wrote:
> Just install the ipw-firmware and ipw3945d packages from the non-oss
> repository
>
> You should be fine then.
>
> Ben
>
> On Thursday 10 May 2007 13:08, Gordon J. Holtslander wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > Just bought an hp nx 7400 laptop with  Integrated Intel PRO/Wireless
> > 3945ABG.
> >
> > I'm trying to get the wireless working with openSuse 10.2
> >
> > before wiping windows off the computer I set up my wireless router to
> > communicate with the laptop.
> >
> > After replacing Windows with OpenSuse 10.2, I am unable to use wireless
> > networking on the system.  I have configured the wireless with the same
> > parameters I used when Windows was on the system.
> >
> > The wireless hardware is recognized - I can configure the card in YAST -
> > both the wired card and the wireless card are recognized.
> >
> > There is a wireless switch on the computer.  I turn it on and the wirless
> > indicator lights up on the switch and on the indicator lamp on the front
> > of the laptop.
> >
> > When I run Network Manager it does not recognize that the system has
> > wireless. When I run the KDE wireless monitor it states that wireless has
> > been disabled.
> >
> > I see that Intel has a linux driver for this hardware:
> > http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > I am assuming installing this driver would get the wireless networking
> > functional.
> >
> > I assume that since YAST recognizes that there is a wireless networking
> > hardware on the computer that some of the necessary driver parts have
> > been installed.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me how to determine what needs to be done to get this
> > working, apart from completely installing the driver?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gord
> >
> >
> > --
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]   University of Saskatchewan
> > Tel 306 966-4433112 Science Place
> > Fax 306 966-4462Saskatoon SK., CANADA
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Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

[George Osvald]

On Saturday 12 May 2007 06:40, M Harris wrote:
> On Friday 11 May 2007 13:50, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> > > Without offering an epistle can a few people who do know give  me an
> > > answer. Some slight technical description for your logic would help me
> > > a lot .
>
>   Reiserfs:
>   1) is faster --organized on a b-tree (very efficient)
>   2) conserves significant disk space (not fixed cluster size)
>   3) recovers faster (way faster) on a crash
>   4) is more reliable (because of the first 1-3)

My experience with Reiser is exact opposite. Exf3 has not caused any problems 
to me ever. Reiser corrupted the file system a couple of times beyond the 
point of recovery. Also the recovery in Exf3 is much faster. Exf3 simply 
replays the journal and that's it. Reiser was re-playing records one by one 
and that usually took much longer (both tested on AMD 64 with 1GB of memory)


>
>   Detailed Epistle can be found in the openSUSE reference (suse 10.0) in
> section 34.2.1.
>
>   note: you will notice the speed difference under load, depending on the
> application.
>
>
>
>
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>
> M Harris <><

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Re: [opensuse] [OT] - Australian extradited to US to stand trial

[Damon Register]

M Harris wrote:

On Wednesday 09 May 2007 18:08, George Osvald wrote:

I bought a new fridge yesterday. Anybody cares to discuss?

Is it one of those smart fridges with an embedded linux server?


Is that the one that makes ice cream?  I remember reading about an
ice cream vending machine that was linux based.

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Re: [opensuse] Firefox on AMD64 X2

[Joseph Loo]

Kenneth Schneider wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 10:31 +1000, George Osvald wrote:
>> I use to favour Firefox for my web browsing. Recently I upgraded my computer 
>> to AMD core duo processor and a 64 bit version of Firefox does not work 
>> properly. Java does not work, flash animations fail and the major problem is 
>> that when I try to access HTTPS servers. I get this message:
>>
>> The connection was reset
>> The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.
>> *   The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few
>>   moments.
>>  *   If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
>>   connection.
>> *   If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make 
>> sure
>>   that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.
>>
>> I can still access the same page with OPERA without any trouble.
>>
> 
> You must be fairly new to the list. This has been covered many times,
> the 64bit version of Firefox does not yet have 64bit plugins for java
> and flash. You will need to install the 32bit version of Firefox for
> them to work.
> 
You might want to check out nspluginwrapper for flash. I can not verify anything
for the Java portion since I do not generally do not visit sites with Java that
I am aware of.

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Re: [opensuse] Firefox on AMD64 X2

[Ken Jennings]

On Friday 2007-05-11 22:13, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 10:31 +1000, George Osvald wrote:
> > I use to favour Firefox for my web browsing. Recently I upgraded my
> > computer to AMD core duo processor and a 64 bit version of Firefox does
> > not work properly. Java does not work, flash animations fail and the
> > major problem is that when I try to access HTTPS servers. I get this
> > message:
> >
> > The connection was reset
> > The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.
> > *   The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a
> > few moments.
> >  *   If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
> >   connection.
> > *   If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make
> > sure that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.
> >
> > I can still access the same page with OPERA without any trouble.
>
> You must be fairly new to the list. This has been covered many times,
> the 64bit version of Firefox does not yet have 64bit plugins for java
> and flash. You will need to install the 32bit version of Firefox for
> them to work.

I'm running 10.2 on AMD 64 X2 4600+ and see the same frustrating reset 
connections to many HTTPS sites in Firefox.  Are plug-ins the reason for this 
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Re: [opensuse] Firefox on AMD64 X2

[Kenneth Schneider]

On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 10:31 +1000, George Osvald wrote:
> I use to favour Firefox for my web browsing. Recently I upgraded my computer 
> to AMD core duo processor and a 64 bit version of Firefox does not work 
> properly. Java does not work, flash animations fail and the major problem is 
> that when I try to access HTTPS servers. I get this message:
> 
> The connection was reset
> The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.
> *   The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few
>   moments.
>  *   If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
>   connection.
> *   If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure
>   that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.
> 
> I can still access the same page with OPERA without any trouble.
> 

You must be fairly new to the list. This has been covered many times,
the 64bit version of Firefox does not yet have 64bit plugins for java
and flash. You will need to install the 32bit version of Firefox for
them to work.

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Re: [opensuse] Build Service Index or Search?

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Joe Morris (NTM) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-11-07 20:41]:
> Since the Build Service has become such a wealth of packages, is there
> any way to search for a package there?  I realize there is individual
> indexes for a particular version for adding as a Yast source, but
> there are a number of times I have wondered if a certain package was
> available, but searching through every directory and subdirectory is a
> daunting task.  Just wondering if there already exists such a thing,
> which I think would be a very helpful feature.

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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-05-11 at 15:46 -0400, James Knott wrote:

> What utter nonsense.
> 
> Memory read & write, I/O performance etc., are determined entirely by
> the hardware, with some involvement by BIOS settings.  There is nothing
> that Linux or Windows or any other OS can do, that will change that. 

That's not completely correct. For instance, if you check the old 
specifications for the printer parallel port you will see that you need to 
set up certain signal, then wait for so many milliseconds then activate 
other signal, or place the data on the bus, etc. If you check 
specifications for old video cards (I speak of old devices because those 
are the ones I studied) there are signals that have to be activated at 
certain times, waits etc, and some of them do not have a sync signal for 
that precise event. All devices that are no synced to the CPU clock have 
to take into account external timings. If you peruse the kernel code a bit 
you will see many places where they are waiting for things to happen.

Then there are devices that can be worked in several different ways, and an 
OS can chose one way, and a different OS another, maybe newer or less 
tested. And many times they have to find out the ways because they are not 
documented, and then something unexpected happens. But I can not give 
specific details because I'm not a kernel developer - though I can guess, 
I did develop hardware and drivers and I know what I'm talking about.

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Re: [opensuse] More display problems

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Bob Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-11-07 18:47]:

then copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.save.0511

> > as root from a console in runlevel 3, 
> > run either:
> >   nvidia-xconfig
> >   or
> >   sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia

and do as above:  nvidia-xconfig --force-generate --sli=auto

and try "glxinfo | grep direct" again looking for:
  direct rendering: Yes
if you don't get it, then try:  sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia
and do "glxinfo | again.

If none of these achieve desired results, I would reinstall the nvidia
driver, which you didn't identify, and try again.

note that I have had many problems with my present system.  openSUSE
10.1 install with 2.6.16 kernel does not recognize my usb ports and
all nvidia drivers until NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.03-pkg2.run and
the stock nv drivercause a kernel segfault/video reset.  I am running
a 10.2 2.6.18.8-396-default kernel (x86_64 SMP) with the
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.03 driver and *everything* works as
expected.

gud luk,
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[opensuse] Build Service Index or Search?

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

Since the Build Service has become such a wealth of packages, is there
any way to search for a package there?  I realize there is individual
indexes for a particular version for adding as a Yast source, but there
are a number of times I have wondered if a certain package was
available, but searching through every directory and subdirectory is a
daunting task.  Just wondering if there already exists such a thing,
which I think would be a very helpful feature.

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[opensuse] Firefox on AMD64 X2

[George Osvald]

I use to favour Firefox for my web browsing. Recently I upgraded my computer 
to AMD core duo processor and a 64 bit version of Firefox does not work 
properly. Java does not work, flash animations fail and the major problem is 
that when I try to access HTTPS servers. I get this message:

The connection was reset
The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.
*   The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few
  moments.
 *   If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
  connection.
*   If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure
  that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.

I can still access the same page with OPERA without any trouble.


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Re: [opensuse] More display problems

[George Osvald]

On Saturday 12 May 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Bob Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-11-07 13:52]:
> > Having been unsuccessful with my ATI Radeon card, I treated myself to
> > an nVidia 7600 graphics card. I've added the download.nvidia
> > repository and installed the drivers, but running glxgears gives the
> > following
> >
> > :~> glxgears
> >
> > Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
> > 1074 frames in 5.0 seconds = 214.689 FPS
> > 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.026 FPS
> > 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.039 FPS
> > 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.031 FPS
> > 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.034 FPS
> >
> > I'm sure it should do better than that, and I'm not sure what to do
> > about that missing extension :(
> >
> > Any suggestions, please?
>
> sounds like it is using the provided 'nv' instead of the new nvidia
> driver.  btw, which version did you install?  I am successfully using
> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.03-pkg2.run


I have used both NVIDIA and ATI from RPMs provided. It is the easiest way as 
you do not have to rebuild the driver every time you update your kernel. For 
nvidia rpm put this:

http://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/10.2/

in your installation sources and update your drivers through YAST. Then 
configure as suggested bellow.


> do from command-line:  glxinfo | grep direct
> you should get:  direct rendering: Yes
>
> if not, do from command-line:  grep -i nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> if it returns nv and not nvidia, as root from a console in runlevel 3,
> run either:
>   nvidia-xconfig
>   or
>   sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia
>
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Re: [opensuse] opensuse and problem of poland users

[George Osvald]

On Saturday 12 May 2007, M Harris wrote:
> On Friday 11 May 2007 05:06, Jan Tiggy wrote:
> > > I know Poles are stubborn, and hold to old fashioned values, which is
> > > usually a good thing. But sticking to ADSL modems is not a useful
> > > national characteristic.
> >
> > This statement sounds like prejudice to me and proves that you do not
> > understand the polish market at all. And complaining about being
> > stubborn do only folks who are stubborn themselves.
>
>   Remember... world peace through world trade...
>
>   ... the stubbornness would seem to be with suse. And suse will loose to
> Ubuntu if they do not quickly figure out that the free market is "market
> driven" ...  if they want ADSL support you better give it to them... if
> suse doesn't, somebody else will...


I came late to this thread so I appologize if I repeat something that was said 
before.
What do you mean if they need ADSL support? I am running 5 computers all with 
SUSE on them and they are all connected to internet via ADSL. There is 
absolutely no problem with it.


>   If I were suse I might try to solicit some talent in Poland to work on
> these details (and pay them for it) and stop whining.   But for crying out
> loud, don't call a segment of your client base stubborn... that just isn't
> nice.  :)
>
>
>
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Re: [opensuse] Re: Where is perl-YAML?

[Boyd Lynn Gerber]

On Fri, 11 May 2007, Josef Wolf wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 02:37:31PM -0400, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> > Josef Wolf wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > In 10.2, I'm missing the perl-YAML package.  It was included in 10.1,
> > > but seems not to be part of 10.2 anymore.  Is there any reason why it
> > > was removed and where to find it?
> >
> > Just run YaST and search for YAML. Seems to be easily available in mine.
>
> Unfortunately, yast can't find anything when I search for "yaml".  Why
> is it working for you but not for me?

I use it all the time.  I have to have it as well.  I have the on-line ftp
available.  I am not sure it that is where I got it or from the Build
Service (BS).  You can use the link provide to search for putty but
instead search for perl-YAML.  And I am on 10.2 for all my machines in
house.  And they all have it.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: Yast Update

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

Susemail wrote:
> myhome:~ # grubonce
> 0: XEN -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3
> 1: openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3
> 2: Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3
> 3: openSUSE 10.2
> 4: Floppy
> 5: Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2
>
> Using openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3 or openSUSE 10.2 gives me a blank screen 
> except for a ~1 inch line at the top of the screen.
>
> Using Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3 or Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2
> gives me the output from my original post:
>
>   
It looks like that is the only kernel you now have installed.  Check
with rpm -qa | grep kernel and if the xen kernel is the only kernel
installed, and that is not what you want, go to Yast and install the
correct kernel and uninstall or leave the xen kernel.

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Re: [opensuse] More display problems

[Bob Williams]

On Friday 11 May 2007 20:02:57 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Bob Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-11-07 13:52]:
> > Having been unsuccessful with my ATI Radeon card, I treated myself to
> > an nVidia 7600 graphics card. I've added the download.nvidia
> > repository and installed the drivers, but running glxgears gives the
> > following
> >
> > :~> glxgears
> >
> > Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
> > 1074 frames in 5.0 seconds = 214.689 FPS
> > 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.026 FPS
> > 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.039 FPS
> > 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.031 FPS
> > 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.034 FPS
> >
> > I'm sure it should do better than that, and I'm not sure what to do
> > about that missing extension :(
> >
> > Any suggestions, please?
>
> sounds like it is using the provided 'nv' instead of the new nvidia
> driver.  btw, which version did you install?  I am successfully using
> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.03-pkg2.run
>
> do from command-line:  glxinfo | grep direct
> you should get:  direct rendering: Yes
>
No, I get direct rendering: No

> if not, do from command-line:  grep -i nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> if it returns nv and not nvidia, 

and this gives me

~> grep -i nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf
# nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
# nvidia-xconfig:  version 1.0  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])  Thu Nov  9 17:55:59 
PST 2006
Driver "nvidia"
VendorName "NVIDIA"

> as root from a console in runlevel 3, 
> run either:
>   nvidia-xconfig
>   or
>   sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia
>
so I fall between two stools. It's nearly midnight here, so I'm off to bed. 
Thanks for your input, Patrick.

Bob
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Re: [opensuse] KDE kdeinit $display not set

[peter nikolic]

On Friday 11 May 2007, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> peter nikolic wrote:
> > Hi .
> >
> > Just had to restart KDE for the first time so far on 10.3 alpha2  and now
> > getting the message
> >
> > kdeinit  $DISPLAY not set than it does nothing  , i think i saw something
> > about  this not long ago but cant find the item   anyone remember what
> > the fix was   simple i think ! but what ..
> >
> > Cheers Pete .
>
> short answer -- try this:
>
> export DISPLAY=:0.0

Hi ..


Yup tried that one already before i got onto the list  this is something 
stupid . if it were the laptop i could understand it cus i was faffing about 
with KDE on that but not the main box  Oh well guess I'll wait a little 
longer before re-installing ..

Pete .


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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Hans Witvliet]

On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 15:32 -0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

> 
> I call bullshit.
> 
> NO software works properly with bad memory.
> 

So you can easily run M$, that never runs properly ;-))
The bugware will crash your system before some mem-fault will cause any
decent O.S. to fail...
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Re: [opensuse] Linux server company info

[Theo v. Werkhoven]

Fri, 11 May 2007, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> On Friday 11 May 2007 14:47, Jack Malone wrote:
> > I'm in the market for a new server for work here. I'm looking for some
> > company that builds server class machines that are pretty much certified to
> > run suse linux either version (enterprise or opensuse). I do not have to
> > the have the os installed on it but it would be ok if it came with the
> > machine. I need a raid 10 setup in the machine. I just want some good
> > sources to start looking at that are known linux vendors. I know I can
> > build my own machine up but at this point I'm ready to get a machine that I
> > know will run suse with no problems, just have to plug the os into the
> > machine an start working.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> > Jack Malone
> 
> 
> you look at dell poweredge servers yet?

I agree, very cool stuff too, specially the inside.
Every little bit of hardware is (de-)mountable without any tool
usage.
The Server Management DVD give you choises for SLES or RHE or
several flavors of "the others".
I've setup a couple of 2950 systems, the customers needed 2003
server on those unfortunatly, but the whole setup is done in a
custom Linux environment, which even lets you use X remotely.
The only nag was that the IP address, the Linux setup OS uses,
happened to be right in the middle of our own LAN range, so a couple
of unhappy people came in while I was doing this, asking if I knew
about some address, suddenly unavailable to others..

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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[James Knott]

Mike McMullin wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 20:38 +0200, Richard Bos wrote:
>   
>> Op Friday 11 May 2007 20:24:49 schreef Petr Klíma:
>> 
>>> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>>   
 I think it's more of an observation effect.

 Windows is so buggy, that when hardware errors do occur,
 it's just background noise in the all-too-typical crashing
 and failing...
 
>>> Well, I don't agree at all. What I experienced was correct Windows
>>> behaviour (no errors, at least none reported) while in LInux programs
>>> crashed now and then without apparent reason.
>>>
>>> I agree with Carlos that LInux most probably uses hardware more
>>> aggressively, something like leaving less time between successive
>>> actions therefore leaving less time for the things (signal levels etc.)
>>> to settle down. That wouldn't be a problem for perfectly stable hardware
>>> whose critical operating frequencies are quite higher than the real
>>> operating ones (e.g. all transients finished soon enough). Once you got
>>> hardware which is operating at (or behind) the edge, you may get anything.
>>>   
>> As example: we once obtained a computer that had been running windows fine 
>> for 
>> ages.  The moment we started installing linux on it, it failed.  Indeed it 
>> already failed during the installation!  Running a memory check tool showed 
>> that memory was bad => computer to the IT department, they stated that there 
>> was nothing wrong with the system using their tools!  After talking a bit 
>> longer the faulty memory got replaced and the machine started to behave 
>> correctly.
>>
>> From this we learned that linux uses indeed all resources that it has 
>> available, while MS does probably not
>> 
>
>   From my experience, Linux has more of the robustness required to run
> on shoddy hardware, once you get it up and running, than XP does.
>
>   
Quite so.  I have both SUSE 10.2 and XP on my ThinkPad.  Linux is very
reliable on it, but XP frequently locks up.


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Re: [opensuse] Linux server company info

[Petr Klíma]

Dell is worth checking. In my case, there was a strong requirement to 
choose company to make the machine up&running within 24 hours no matter 
what goes wrong. You can opt for such service and it's much less 
expensive than the offer I've got from several other local companies.


In my case the price of Dell NAS was about the same compared to other 
offers with the advantage of superior service.


I've got PowerEdge 2950 server with directly connected PowerVault MD 
1000 (just quite dumb disk enclosure) with 10 750GB disks in RAID5


It came with SLES10 preinstalled (RHEL being other option). All I had to 
do was the storage and change a few settings in YAST to blend into 
current network. Works flawlessly, only problem is that I have to buy 
new switch with port bonding capability because single 1Gb ethernet NIC 
is sometimes a limitation here.


Cheers, Tosuja

Jack Malone wrote:

I'm in the market for a new server for work here. I'm looking for some
company that builds server class machines that are pretty much certified to
run suse linux either version (enterprise or opensuse). I do not have to the
have the os installed on it but it would be ok if it came with the machine.
I need a raid 10 setup in the machine. I just want some good sources to
start looking at that are known linux vendors. I know I can build my own
machine up but at this point I'm ready to get a machine that I know will run
suse with no problems, just have to plug the os into the machine an start
working. 


Thanks in advance.


Jack Malone



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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Mike McMullin]

On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 20:38 +0200, Richard Bos wrote:
> Op Friday 11 May 2007 20:24:49 schreef Petr Klíma:
> > Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > > I think it's more of an observation effect.
> > >
> > > Windows is so buggy, that when hardware errors do occur,
> > > it's just background noise in the all-too-typical crashing
> > > and failing...
> >
> > Well, I don't agree at all. What I experienced was correct Windows
> > behaviour (no errors, at least none reported) while in LInux programs
> > crashed now and then without apparent reason.
> >
> > I agree with Carlos that LInux most probably uses hardware more
> > aggressively, something like leaving less time between successive
> > actions therefore leaving less time for the things (signal levels etc.)
> > to settle down. That wouldn't be a problem for perfectly stable hardware
> > whose critical operating frequencies are quite higher than the real
> > operating ones (e.g. all transients finished soon enough). Once you got
> > hardware which is operating at (or behind) the edge, you may get anything.
> 
> As example: we once obtained a computer that had been running windows fine 
> for 
> ages.  The moment we started installing linux on it, it failed.  Indeed it 
> already failed during the installation!  Running a memory check tool showed 
> that memory was bad => computer to the IT department, they stated that there 
> was nothing wrong with the system using their tools!  After talking a bit 
> longer the faulty memory got replaced and the machine started to behave 
> correctly.
> 
> From this we learned that linux uses indeed all resources that it has 
> available, while MS does probably not

  From my experience, Linux has more of the robustness required to run
on shoddy hardware, once you get it up and running, than XP does.

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Re: [opensuse] Linux server company info

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On Friday 11 May 2007 14:47, Jack Malone wrote:
> I'm in the market for a new server for work here. I'm looking for some
> company that builds server class machines that are pretty much certified to
> run suse linux either version (enterprise or opensuse). I do not have to
> the have the os installed on it but it would be ok if it came with the
> machine. I need a raid 10 setup in the machine. I just want some good
> sources to start looking at that are known linux vendors. I know I can
> build my own machine up but at this point I'm ready to get a machine that I
> know will run suse with no problems, just have to plug the os into the
> machine an start working.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Jack Malone


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RE: [opensuse] might be solved error code 1008 message on installing

[Jack Malone]

Well it seems I got bit by the 4 gigs of ram in the system. I took out 2
gigs an tried to install an so far it got past the partitioning an
formatting of the disks. I'm at 45 % of the install process. So for now this
is solved or should be. Now after the installation process I will see if I
can add back in the other 2 gigs of ram. 

Jack malone

> 
> 
> Ok I'm finally have a working 3ware card in my system ( old 9500 8mi).
> on
> trying to install with ex3 partition for root an one swap partition. /
> is
> 460 gb an swap is 5gb. I go thrue an select what I want to install an
> how I
> want the partitions to be then it starts to install an format the
> partitions. I get this error message coming up:
> 
> Error
> Failure occurred during following action
> Setting disk label  of disk /dev/sdb/ to ms-dos
> System error code  was -1008
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone every seen this an know what the fix is.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jack Malone
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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Petr Klíma]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
As example: we once obtained a computer that had been running windows 
fine for ages.  The moment we started installing linux on it, it 
failed.  Indeed it already failed during the installation!  Running a 
memory check tool showed that memory was bad => computer to the IT 
department, they stated that there was nothing wrong with the system 
using their tools!  After talking a bit longer the faulty memory got 
replaced and the machine started to behave correctly.


And upon re-installing windows, it MAGICALLY worked properly
with bad memory???


I call bullshit.

NO software works properly with bad memory.


Let me tell you my story. Again, Windows XP and Linux on the very same 
machine. Suddenly, Linux applications started crashing while Windows did 
show no problem. I tracked it down to bad memory too. But this time the 
erroneous field at one of the top addresses. And as you may know, memory 
errors come in different flavors and they may show up only in some 
circumstances. This one was one of those hideous ones.


We all know that Linux uses all the memory it has got. Windows don't do 
that, you can frequently see quite a lot of free memory (while the 
system accesses swap file which is IMHO brain-dead).


Realising that you can tell with quite some confidence that top 
addresses are accessed much more frequently in Linux than in Windows 
therefore there's much bigger chance to get error in Linux.


Now, software MAY work properly with erroneous memory provided it simply 
does not access the bad area, either by purpose or just a luck


Tosuja

P.S.: We're getting off topic here.
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RE: [opensuse] Linux server company info

[taharka]

On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 15:55 -0500, Jack Malone wrote:
> Hey taharka I will give them a look see. Thanks for info. 

Please do, they'll appreciate your business & go the extra mile for you.
Bear in mind, I'm slightly biased towards them, as they're located in my
home town {^_-} Also, note the selection of operating systems that they
preinstall {^_^}

> Jack 

taharka

Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.

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RE: [opensuse] Linux server company info

[Jack Malone]

Hey taharka I will give them a look see. Thanks for info. 

Jack 

> -Original Message-
> From: taharka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:39 PM
> To: Jack Malone
> Cc: opensuse@opensuse.org
> Subject: Re: [opensuse] Linux server company info
> 
> How do,
> 
> On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 13:47 -0500, Jack Malone wrote:
> > I'm in the market for a new server for work here. I'm looking for
> some
> > company that builds server class machines that are pretty much
> certified to
> > run suse linux either version (enterprise or opensuse). I do not have
> to the
> > have the os installed on it but it would be ok if it came with the
> machine.
> > I need a raid 10 setup in the machine. I just want some good sources
> to
> > start looking at that are known linux vendors. I know I can build my
> own
> > machine up but at this point I'm ready to get a machine that I know
> will run
> > suse with no problems, just have to plug the os into the machine an
> start
> > working.
> 
> How about giving these guys a try?
> http://www.rcubedtech.com/
> 
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> > Jack Malone
> 
> taharka
> 
> Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.

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Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

[M Harris]

On Friday 11 May 2007 15:40, M Harris wrote:
> Detailed Epistle can be found in the openSUSE reference (suse 10.0)
> in section 34.2.1.

Officially one of the key features of the 2.4 kernel release, ReiserFS has 
been available as a kernel patch for 2.2.x SUSE kernels since SUSE Linux 
version 6.4. ReiserFS was designed by Hans Reiser and the Namesys development 
team. It has proven itself to be a powerful alternative to the old Ext2. Its 
key assets are better disk space utilization, better disk access performance, 
and faster crash recovery.

In ReiserFS, all data is organized in a structure called B*-balanced tree. The 
tree structure contributes to better disk space utilization because small 
files can be stored directly in the B* tree leaf nodes instead of being 
stored elsewhere and just maintaining a pointer to the actual disk location. 
In addition to that, storage is not allocated in chunks of 1 or 4 kB, but in 
portions of the exact size needed. Another benefit lies in the dynamic 
allocation of inodes. This keeps the file system more flexible than 
traditional file systems, like Ext2, where the inode density must be 
specified at file system creation time.

For small files, file data and “stat_data” (inode) information are often 
stored next to each other. They can be read with a single disk I/O operation, 
meaning that only one access to disk is required to retrieve all the 
information needed. Using a journal to keep track of recent metadata changes 
makes a file system check
a matter of seconds, even for huge file systems.

ReiserFS also supports data journaling and ordered data modes similar to the 
concepts outlined in the Ext3 section, Section 34.2.3, “Ext3” (page 500). The 
default mode is data=ordered, which ensures both data and metadata integrity, 
but uses
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Re: [opensuse] Linux server company info

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How do,

On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 13:47 -0500, Jack Malone wrote:
> I'm in the market for a new server for work here. I'm looking for some
> company that builds server class machines that are pretty much certified to
> run suse linux either version (enterprise or opensuse). I do not have to the
> have the os installed on it but it would be ok if it came with the machine.
> I need a raid 10 setup in the machine. I just want some good sources to
> start looking at that are known linux vendors. I know I can build my own
> machine up but at this point I'm ready to get a machine that I know will run
> suse with no problems, just have to plug the os into the machine an start
> working. 

How about giving these guys a try?
http://www.rcubedtech.com/

> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Jack Malone

taharka

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Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

[M Harris]

On Friday 11 May 2007 13:50, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> > Without offering an epistle can a few people who do know give  me an
> > answer. Some slight technical description for your logic would help me a
> > lot .
Reiserfs:
1) is faster --organized on a b-tree (very efficient)
2) conserves significant disk space (not fixed cluster size)
3) recovers faster (way faster) on a crash
4) is more reliable (because of the first 1-3)

Detailed Epistle can be found in the openSUSE reference (suse 10.0) in 
section 34.2.1.

note: you will notice the speed difference under load, depending on the 
application.




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Re: [opensuse] Where is perl-YAML?

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Josef Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-01-70 11:34]:
> In 10.2, I'm missing the perl-YAML package.  It was included in 10.1,
> but seems not to be part of 10.2 anymore.  Is there any reason why it
> was removed and where to find it?


You haven't looked for it.

 
http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=yaml&distro=openSUSE_102

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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[James Knott]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Richard Bos wrote:
>> Op Friday 11 May 2007 20:24:49 schreef Petr Klíma:
>>> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
 I think it's more of an observation effect.

 Windows is so buggy, that when hardware errors do occur,
 it's just background noise in the all-too-typical crashing
 and failing...
>>> Well, I don't agree at all. What I experienced was correct Windows
>>> behaviour (no errors, at least none reported) while in LInux programs
>>> crashed now and then without apparent reason.
>>>
>>> I agree with Carlos that LInux most probably uses hardware more
>>> aggressively, something like leaving less time between successive
>>> actions therefore leaving less time for the things (signal levels etc.)
>>> to settle down. That wouldn't be a problem for perfectly stable
>>> hardware
>>> whose critical operating frequencies are quite higher than the real
>>> operating ones (e.g. all transients finished soon enough). Once you got
>>> hardware which is operating at (or behind) the edge, you may get
>>> anything.
>>
>> As example: we once obtained a computer that had been running windows
>> fine for ages.  The moment we started installing linux on it, it
>> failed.  Indeed it already failed during the installation!  Running a
>> memory check tool showed that memory was bad => computer to the IT
>> department, they stated that there was nothing wrong with the system
>> using their tools!  After talking a bit longer the faulty memory got
>> replaced and the machine started to behave correctly.
>
> And upon re-installing windows, it MAGICALLY worked properly
> with bad memory???
>
>
> I call bullshit.
>
> NO software works properly with bad memory.
>

That would depend on whether parity checking is enabled.  If not, you
could easily have errors and not know about them.  If the bad memory
contains executable code, you could have a crash.  If data, you might
have an error and not realize it.  Incidentally, parity memory
introduces another failure mode, in that you don't know if the parity
bit or parity check circuitry is bad.  You only know you're getting
errors from somewhere.  There's a better system called CRC, which can
not only check for errors, but can also correct many.  That system
should also generate an interupt, so that the OS knows there's bad
memory and can notify the admin.


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[opensuse] error code 1008 message on installing

[Jack Malone]

Ok I'm finally have a working 3ware card in my system ( old 9500 8mi). on
trying to install with ex3 partition for root an one swap partition. / is
460 gb an swap is 5gb. I go thrue an select what I want to install an how I
want the partitions to be then it starts to install an format the
partitions. I get this error message coming up:

Error
Failure occurred during following action
Setting disk label  of disk /dev/sdb/ to ms-dos
System error code  was -1008



Anyone every seen this an know what the fix is. 

Thanks

Jack Malone

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Re: [opensuse] Windows mount is ReadOnly

[James Knott]

Mike McMullin wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 09:55 -0400, James Knott wrote:
>   
>> Mike McMullin wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 07:36 -0400, James Knott wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 Clayton wrote:
 
 
>> I think this definately calls for a conservative approach! I'll find a
>> different way of moving files between Linux and Windows, 
>>
>> Many thanks to everyone who offered help on this issue.
>> 
>> 
> The way used to I do this was relatively simple... My Linux partitions
> are Reiser, my XP partition was NTFS.  Linux can read NTFS with no
> problems... so on the rare occasion I needed to snag a file from the
> XP partition, I can.  On the other hand if I happened to be booted to
> Windows (err.. something I haven't done in ages) I had a small util
> installed there that could read Reiser partitions... so I could copy
> from the Linux partitions to the NTFS partitions.
>
> OK, it's one way.. copying from the foreign fs to the local... but it
> works.. and no risk of corrupting the foreign fs because you're
> accessing in ro mode.
>   
>   
 What I did on my notebook, was create a FAT32 partition and move the "My
 Documents" folder to it.  This way either OS can read & write the files.
 
 
>>>   Did you create the mount point at the usual location on C: root?
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> No, Windows drives get mounted under /windows, so this would be mounted 
>> on /windows/d.  I also created a link to my home directory, where it 
>> appears as another folder.
>> 
>
>   Interesting  I dug into XP(Home)'s help on mounting drives and it said
> that you can use any unused folder.  I've been tempted to set up a
> separate partition for all the user documents, kind of like a /home, and
> see if I can get this to fly under XP.  I'm afraid that this would take
> some heavy kludging on my part and outright snarf everything at a
> re-install.
>
>   
It's not as easy in Windows, as in Linux (so what else is new) and IIRC,
the procedure for "My Documents" is different from other folders.

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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[James Knott]

Petr Klíma wrote:
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> I think it's more of an observation effect.
>>
>> Windows is so buggy, that when hardware errors do occur,
>> it's just background noise in the all-too-typical crashing
>> and failing...
>
> Well, I don't agree at all. What I experienced was correct Windows
> behaviour (no errors, at least none reported) while in LInux programs
> crashed now and then without apparent reason.
>
> I agree with Carlos that LInux most probably uses hardware more
> aggressively, something like leaving less time between successive
> actions therefore leaving less time for the things (signal levels
> etc.) to settle down. That wouldn't be a problem for perfectly stable
> hardware whose critical operating frequencies are quite higher than
> the real operating ones (e.g. all transients finished soon enough).
> Once you got hardware which is operating at (or behind) the edge, you
> may get anything.
>

What utter nonsense.

Memory read & write, I/O performance etc., are determined entirely by
the hardware, with some involvement by BIOS settings.  There is nothing
that Linux or Windows or any other OS can do, that will change that. 
Further, interrupts are used by hardware, to tell the OS when it's ready
for something else.  Back in the DOS, Win3, Win95 & Win98 days, there
were some differences in the way the hardware was accessed, i.e.
polling, timing loops etc., that a *REAL* OS, such as OS/2 or Linux
didn't use.  A real OS wouldn't waste CPU time that way.  It would use
interrupts.  Now, if there was a problem in the interrupt system, then
it would show on a real OS, but not DOS & Windows.  Software can also be
written to ignore errors, so if that was done with Windows, but not
Linux, then Linux is more likely to find errors and therefore more
likely to be reliable.

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[opensuse] Re: Where is perl-YAML?

[Jonathan Arnold]

Josef Wolf wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 02:37:31PM -0400, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
>> Josef Wolf wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> In 10.2, I'm missing the perl-YAML package.  It was included in 10.1,
>>> but seems not to be part of 10.2 anymore.  Is there any reason why it
>>> was removed and where to find it?
>> Just run YaST and search for YAML. Seems to be easily available in mine.
> 
> Thanks for the quick reply, Jonathan.
> 
> Unfortunately, yast can't find anything when I search for "yaml".  Why
> is it working for you but not for me?

Maybe because I installed from the DVD and you installed from the CD? Did you
follow these instructions about adding other package sources:

http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.2

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Re: [opensuse] Re: Where is perl-YAML?

[Josef Wolf]

On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 02:37:31PM -0400, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> Josef Wolf wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > In 10.2, I'm missing the perl-YAML package.  It was included in 10.1,
> > but seems not to be part of 10.2 anymore.  Is there any reason why it
> > was removed and where to find it?
> 
> Just run YaST and search for YAML. Seems to be easily available in mine.

Thanks for the quick reply, Jonathan.

Unfortunately, yast can't find anything when I search for "yaml".  Why
is it working for you but not for me?

> It was probably removed due to not being necessary. I don't have it
> installed and don't seem to have missed it.

Well, it is similar to Data::Dumper, but much more human-readable.  This
is a very fine thing to store persitent data.  I have written a very
important (for me) program which depends on it.  And I can't upgrade
to 10.2, unless this package is available.
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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Aaron Kulkis]

Richard Bos wrote:

Op Friday 11 May 2007 20:24:49 schreef Petr Klíma:

Aaron Kulkis wrote:

I think it's more of an observation effect.

Windows is so buggy, that when hardware errors do occur,
it's just background noise in the all-too-typical crashing
and failing...

Well, I don't agree at all. What I experienced was correct Windows
behaviour (no errors, at least none reported) while in LInux programs
crashed now and then without apparent reason.

I agree with Carlos that LInux most probably uses hardware more
aggressively, something like leaving less time between successive
actions therefore leaving less time for the things (signal levels etc.)
to settle down. That wouldn't be a problem for perfectly stable hardware
whose critical operating frequencies are quite higher than the real
operating ones (e.g. all transients finished soon enough). Once you got
hardware which is operating at (or behind) the edge, you may get anything.


As example: we once obtained a computer that had been running windows fine for 
ages.  The moment we started installing linux on it, it failed.  Indeed it 
already failed during the installation!  Running a memory check tool showed 
that memory was bad => computer to the IT department, they stated that there 
was nothing wrong with the system using their tools!  After talking a bit 
longer the faulty memory got replaced and the machine started to behave 
correctly.


And upon re-installing windows, it MAGICALLY worked properly
with bad memory???


I call bullshit.

NO software works properly with bad memory.



From this we learned that linux uses indeed all resources that it has 
available, while MS does probably not






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Re: [opensuse] Windows mount is ReadOnly

[Mike McMullin]

On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 09:55 -0400, James Knott wrote:
> Mike McMullin wrote:
> > On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 07:36 -0400, James Knott wrote:
> >   
> >> Clayton wrote:
> >> 
>  I think this definately calls for a conservative approach! I'll find a
>  different way of moving files between Linux and Windows, 
> 
>  Many thanks to everyone who offered help on this issue.
>  
> >>> The way used to I do this was relatively simple... My Linux partitions
> >>> are Reiser, my XP partition was NTFS.  Linux can read NTFS with no
> >>> problems... so on the rare occasion I needed to snag a file from the
> >>> XP partition, I can.  On the other hand if I happened to be booted to
> >>> Windows (err.. something I haven't done in ages) I had a small util
> >>> installed there that could read Reiser partitions... so I could copy
> >>> from the Linux partitions to the NTFS partitions.
> >>>
> >>> OK, it's one way.. copying from the foreign fs to the local... but it
> >>> works.. and no risk of corrupting the foreign fs because you're
> >>> accessing in ro mode.
> >>>   
> >> What I did on my notebook, was create a FAT32 partition and move the "My
> >> Documents" folder to it.  This way either OS can read & write the files.
> >> 
> >
> >   Did you create the mount point at the usual location on C: root?
> >
> >   
> No, Windows drives get mounted under /windows, so this would be mounted 
> on /windows/d.  I also created a link to my home directory, where it 
> appears as another folder.

  Interesting  I dug into XP(Home)'s help on mounting drives and it said
that you can use any unused folder.  I've been tempted to set up a
separate partition for all the user documents, kind of like a /home, and
see if I can get this to fly under XP.  I'm afraid that this would take
some heavy kludging on my part and outright snarf everything at a
re-install.

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[opensuse] Maximum PC's article and shot about Linux gaming

[Pueblo Native]

http://www.maximumpc.com/linux?page=0%2C5

In regards to this:
Games have always been and still are the Achilles’ heel of Linux. There
are two ways to play games on Linux: Play a limited number of native
Linux games or emulate Windows using Transgaming’s Cedega subscription
service, which supports high-profile titles like World of Warcraft and
Battlefield 2 but lacks support for many newer titles

i thought that this was a rather unfair and inaccurate shot about Linux
gaming. Maybe it's just that my definition of "limited" is, well,
limited, but when you get around 100 games (arcade, strategy, board,
card, etc), it may be a finite number but you will burn a lot of hours
going through those games.
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Re: [opensuse] More display problems

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Bob Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-11-07 13:52]:
> Having been unsuccessful with my ATI Radeon card, I treated myself to
> an nVidia 7600 graphics card. I've added the download.nvidia
> repository and installed the drivers, but running glxgears gives the
> following
> 
> :~> glxgears
> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
> 1074 frames in 5.0 seconds = 214.689 FPS
> 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.026 FPS
> 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.039 FPS
> 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.031 FPS
> 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.034 FPS
> 
> I'm sure it should do better than that, and I'm not sure what to do
> about that missing extension :(
> 
> Any suggestions, please?

sounds like it is using the provided 'nv' instead of the new nvidia
driver.  btw, which version did you install?  I am successfully using
NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.03-pkg2.run

do from command-line:  glxinfo | grep direct
you should get:  direct rendering: Yes

if not, do from command-line:  grep -i nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf
if it returns nv and not nvidia, as root from a console in runlevel 3, 
run either:
  nvidia-xconfig
  or
  sax2 -r -m 0=nvidia


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Re: [opensuse] Re: Yast Update

[Susemail]

On Friday 11 May 2007 08:33, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> Susemail wrote:
> > It seems that I'm booting using the xen kernel:
> > :~> uname -a
> >
> > Linux myhome 2.6.18.8-0.3-xen #1 SMP Tue Apr 17 08:42:35 UTC 2007 x86_64
> > x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> >
> > How do I change this to boot from the correct or previous kernel?
>
> You should be able to select it at boot time. You can also practice by
> using the 'grubonce' command:
>
> http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/archives/000862.html#000862
>
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:~> su -
Password:
myhome:~ # grubonce
0: XEN -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3
1: openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3
2: Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3
3: openSUSE 10.2
4: Floppy
5: Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2

Using openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3 or openSUSE 10.2 gives me a blank screen 
except for a ~1 inch line at the top of the screen.

Using Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3 or Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2
gives me the output from my original post:

> From: susemail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: May 10, 2007 3:26:41 PM HST
> To: opensuse@opensuse.org
> Subject: Yast Update
>
> I ran Yast Update today and rebooted.  Now I get these error messages:
>
> BIOS EDD facility v0.16 2004-Jun-25, 0 devices found
> EDD information not available.
> Loading edd
> Loading fan
> FATAL: Error inserting fan (lib/modules/2.6.18.8-0.3-default/kernel/ 
> drivers/acpi/fan.ko: No such device
> Loading jbd
> Loading mbcache
> Loading ext3
> Waiting for device /dev/sda1 to appear:..not found-- 
> exiting to /bin/sh
> Sh: no job control in this shell
> $
>
> Everything worked fine before this update.  What can I do to  
> correct this?

Thanks,
Jerome
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Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

[Doug McGarrett]

Registration Account wrote:

The current default file system for any new installation is now ex3.
I have a RAID0 over 2 x 186GIG + 2 x 20GB over 2 HDD. The current file
system format is reiser + Encryption.
Previous to that I had the same RAID0 config however I was using ex3.
The / partition is also reiser, without encryption unencrypted
The /home mounted partition is reiser without encryption
I have noted that using reiser in both / and /home directory appears to
offer a speed boot load that is just a small bit faster and mounting of
the RAID0 partition (encrypted) takes a shorter time.
Overriding factor change in O/S from 10.1 -10.2.
Just going back to file systems - which is known to be faster and which
is know to be the most stable.
I understand the 2 may not be ==
Without offering an epistle can a few people who do know give  me an
answer. Some slight technical description for your logic would help me a
lot .
With respect to file systems info you don't need to dumb down your words
much for me in this respect - believe me - there will be other times
where I I will really need to lower the level of usage of language.
Many Thanks and Good Morning
Scott 03:22 GMT +10
  

I may be wrong, but I believe that Reiser is now decried because
1:  Reiser is in the justice system for criminal activity not related to 
software, and

2:  Because of item 1, Reiser will probably not be writing any improvements.

I'm using Reiser on my Linux machine, and it works fine.  I don't know 
if it's

faster than ext3.

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[opensuse] Linux server company info

[Jack Malone]

I'm in the market for a new server for work here. I'm looking for some
company that builds server class machines that are pretty much certified to
run suse linux either version (enterprise or opensuse). I do not have to the
have the os installed on it but it would be ok if it came with the machine.
I need a raid 10 setup in the machine. I just want some good sources to
start looking at that are known linux vendors. I know I can build my own
machine up but at this point I'm ready to get a machine that I know will run
suse with no problems, just have to plug the os into the machine an start
working. 

Thanks in advance.


Jack Malone


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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Petr Klíma]

Randall R Schulz wrote:
Possible, but it's still not a well-formed idea. Computers are digital 
devices. They don't really have any continuous properties, other than, 
perhaps, some issues around failure probabilities (or inter-arrival 
times) w.r.t. device temperature.


Well, they are presented to the end users like digital devices. But over 
the time operating frequencies got that high that speed of light 
matters. You have to take into consideration the time it takes for the 
impulse to reach the other end of the wire. At 3GHz the light makes only 
 10cm during one period. In other words, connect a piece of wire 5cm 
long to the 3GHz sine generator and compare the voltages on both ends. 
They'll differ by a half-wave...
Slow light speed (it's still faster than Terry Pratchett's Discworld 
light) requires for all those delays in practically any communication in 
computer. You (well, I mean the circuitry) simply HAVE to wait for the 
signal to travel from transmitter to receiver.

By the way, the real signals are not like square wave too much

And people still call all THIS digital :-) It's magic to me.

Tosuja
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[opensuse] Re: Where is perl-YAML?

[Jonathan Arnold]

Josef Wolf wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> In 10.2, I'm missing the perl-YAML package.  It was included in 10.1,
> but seems not to be part of 10.2 anymore.  Is there any reason why it
> was removed and where to find it?

Just run YaST and search for YAML. Seems to be easily available in mine.
It was probably removed due to not being necessary. I don't have it installed
and don't seem to have missed it.

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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Richard Bos]

Op Friday 11 May 2007 20:24:49 schreef Petr Klíma:
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > I think it's more of an observation effect.
> >
> > Windows is so buggy, that when hardware errors do occur,
> > it's just background noise in the all-too-typical crashing
> > and failing...
>
> Well, I don't agree at all. What I experienced was correct Windows
> behaviour (no errors, at least none reported) while in LInux programs
> crashed now and then without apparent reason.
>
> I agree with Carlos that LInux most probably uses hardware more
> aggressively, something like leaving less time between successive
> actions therefore leaving less time for the things (signal levels etc.)
> to settle down. That wouldn't be a problem for perfectly stable hardware
> whose critical operating frequencies are quite higher than the real
> operating ones (e.g. all transients finished soon enough). Once you got
> hardware which is operating at (or behind) the edge, you may get anything.

As example: we once obtained a computer that had been running windows fine for 
ages.  The moment we started installing linux on it, it failed.  Indeed it 
already failed during the installation!  Running a memory check tool showed 
that memory was bad => computer to the IT department, they stated that there 
was nothing wrong with the system using their tools!  After talking a bit 
longer the faulty memory got replaced and the machine started to behave 
correctly.

From this we learned that linux uses indeed all resources that it has 
available, while MS does probably not

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Re: [opensuse] KDE kdeinit $display not set

[Aaron Kulkis]

peter nikolic wrote:

Hi .

Just had to restart KDE for the first time so far on 10.3 alpha2  and now 
getting the message  

kdeinit  $DISPLAY not set than it does nothing  , i think i saw something 
about  this not long ago but cant find the item   anyone remember what the 
fix was   simple i think ! but what ..


Cheers Pete .



short answer -- try this:

export DISPLAY=:0.0




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[opensuse] Re: Yast Update

[Jonathan Arnold]

Susemail wrote:
> It seems that I'm booting using the xen kernel:
> 
> :~> uname -a
> Linux myhome 2.6.18.8-0.3-xen #1 SMP Tue Apr 17 08:42:35 UTC 2007 x86_64 
> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> How do I change this to boot from the correct or previous kernel?

You should be able to select it at boot time. You can also practice by
using the 'grubonce' command:

http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/archives/000862.html#000862

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Re: [opensuse] corrupt beryl on nvidia

[primm]

On Friday 11 May 2007 02:37, Joseph Loo wrote:
> primm wrote:
> > On Thursday 10 May 2007 03:04, you wrote:
> >> primm wrote:
> >>> I've installed the nvidia only method of getting beryl to work as per
> >>> the opensuse wiki. On loading beryl-manager everything is double. Two
> >>> desktops, two taskbars, two windows of everything. . . I'm using kde so
> >>> I did:
> >>>
> >>> aquamarine --replace &
> >>> [1] 12417
> >>> Found not compatible window manager. Waiting...
> >>>
> >>> beryl-manager fires up fine with no errors.
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone help?
> >>>
> >>> 10.2 and nvidia 6100
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Steve.
> >>
> >> What version of Beryl are you using?
> >
> > The beryl-snapshot. But I've tried beryl too.
> >
> >> How did you start it up? Did you type
> >> the commands?
> >> Beryl-manager
> >> beryl
> >
> > No. I used:
> >
> > beryl-manager
> > beryl
> >
> >> ?
> >> Have you tried it in a clean user directory?
> >
> > Yes. I deleted .beryl and tried again.
> >
> >> Which desktop are you using?
> >
> > KDE
> >
> >> What king of number are you getting with glxgears? I get about 19k-20K
> >> fps.
> >
> > 10k
> >
> >> I run with gnome on SUSE 10.2 with Beryl 2.6.5 using an Nvidia 5700 LE,
> >> Emerald Interface with no problem
>
> Just deleting .beryl is not sufficient. There are other directories. In my
> setup, there were .berylrc, .emerald. That is the reason I say a clean
> user.

Did that. The same.
>
> When you are using the snapshot, most bets are off. You need to install the
> stable version first, and exactly which version are you using?
>

It was the stable version hat gave me the problems in the first place. It was 
opensuse wiki gave me the lead to the snapshot. The results are identical.

> Also your  fps rate seems to me a tuch slow.
>

Would this explain the garbled and double windows?

> Unfortunately, most of my experience is with gnome. Why don't you try it
> with a gnome desktop and see if the thing yu see is still happening.
>
I tried metacity. No luck. Do you mean a gnome installation as opposed to a 
kde installation?

One other thing. It's a widescreen display at 1440x900. Maybe beryl doesn't 
work with that.

Thanks for your patience.

Steve.
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[opensuse] Re: Yast Update

[Susemail]

It seems that I'm booting using the xen kernel:

:~> uname -a
Linux myhome 2.6.18.8-0.3-xen #1 SMP Tue Apr 17 08:42:35 UTC 2007 x86_64 
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

How do I change this to boot from the correct or previous kernel?

Thanks,
Jerome

> From: susemail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: May 10, 2007 3:26:41 PM HST
> To: opensuse@opensuse.org
> Subject: Yast Update
>
> I ran Yast Update today and rebooted.  Now I get these error messages:
>
> BIOS EDD facility v0.16 2004-Jun-25, 0 devices found
> EDD information not available.
> Loading edd
> Loading fan
> FATAL: Error inserting fan (lib/modules/2.6.18.8-0.3-default/kernel/ 
> drivers/acpi/fan.ko: No such device
> Loading jbd
> Loading mbcache
> Loading ext3
> Waiting for device /dev/sda1 to appear:..not found-- 
> exiting to /bin/sh
> Sh: no job control in this shell
> $
>
> Everything worked fine before this update.  What can I do to  
> correct this?
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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Petr Klíma]

Aaron Kulkis wrote:

I think it's more of an observation effect.

Windows is so buggy, that when hardware errors do occur,
it's just background noise in the all-too-typical crashing
and failing...


Well, I don't agree at all. What I experienced was correct Windows 
behaviour (no errors, at least none reported) while in LInux programs 
crashed now and then without apparent reason.


I agree with Carlos that LInux most probably uses hardware more 
aggressively, something like leaving less time between successive 
actions therefore leaving less time for the things (signal levels etc.) 
to settle down. That wouldn't be a problem for perfectly stable hardware 
whose critical operating frequencies are quite higher than the real 
operating ones (e.g. all transients finished soon enough). Once you got 
hardware which is operating at (or behind) the edge, you may get anything.


Tosuja
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Re: [opensuse] More display problems

[Sloan]

Bob Williams wrote:

On Friday 11 May 2007 19:03:36 Sloan wrote:
  

Bob Williams wrote:


Having been unsuccessful with my ATI Radeon card, I treated myself to an
nVidia 7600 graphics card. I've added the download.nvidia repository and
installed the drivers, but running glxgears gives the following

:~> glxgears

Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
1074 frames in 5.0 seconds = 214.689 FPS
1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.026 FPS
1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.039 FPS
1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.031 FPS
1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.034 FPS

I'm sure it should do better than that, and I'm not sure what to do about
that missing extension :(

Any suggestions, please?
  

Did you run nvidia-xconfig?



OK. Tried that, but glxgears still gives same output.

  
To make sure the nvidia drivers are loaded, you might try a hail mary 
play: run "depmod -a" and then "modprode nvidia" and restart the X 
session with CTRL-ALT-BKSP


Joe

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Re: [opensuse] More display problems

[Bob Williams]

On Friday 11 May 2007 19:03:36 Sloan wrote:
> Bob Williams wrote:
> > Having been unsuccessful with my ATI Radeon card, I treated myself to an
> > nVidia 7600 graphics card. I've added the download.nvidia repository and
> > installed the drivers, but running glxgears gives the following
> >
> > :~> glxgears
> >
> > Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
> > 1074 frames in 5.0 seconds = 214.689 FPS
> > 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.026 FPS
> > 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.039 FPS
> > 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.031 FPS
> > 1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.034 FPS
> >
> > I'm sure it should do better than that, and I'm not sure what to do about
> > that missing extension :(
> >
> > Any suggestions, please?
>
> Did you run nvidia-xconfig?
>
OK. Tried that, but glxgears still gives same output.

> > BTW, should I remove the ATI drivers, if so, how?
>
> If you installed an ati driver rpm, remove the rpm.
OK



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[opensuse] Where is perl-YAML?

[Josef Wolf]

Hello,

In 10.2, I'm missing the perl-YAML package.  It was included in 10.1,
but seems not to be part of 10.2 anymore.  Is there any reason why it
was removed and where to find it?

Thanks,
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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-05-11 at 10:03 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

> > My guess is that linux tries to use all the capacity the hardware
> > should have, in order to improve speed and throughput. This also
> > means that if the hardware fails to do wht it should do, linux will
> > also fail.
> 
> That doesn't really explain it, does it? If there's some subset of a 
> machine's capabilities not used by Windows but used by Linux, why would 
> it exactly correspond to that which tends to fail or misfire in all 
> those cases of systems that run without overt error on Windows but 
> cause crashes or malfunctions under Linux?

For example, because as windows does not use them, errors are not reported 
to the manufacturer. What does it matter if Linux fails? That just a toy 
OS, not a serious one; they don't pay us.

For example, because linux tries to get closer to the limits, uses 
ignored features that windows doesn't use because it can't (like 32 bits 
from the start).

> > Probably windows is more conservative, uses a more genereic approach
> > - or they used more faulty harware when testing, or use conservative
> > generic specifications.
> 
> Possible, but it's still not a well-formed idea. Computers are digital 
> devices. They don't really have any continuous properties, other than, 
> perhaps, some issues around failure probabilities (or inter-arrival 
> times) w.r.t. device temperature.

Yes, but not exact. 

There are timing constraints of hardware, for instance. If you develop a 
driver for a piece of hardware by observing how it works, by trial and 
error - because you know that historically hackers had to hack because 
manufacturers denied giving their specifications to developers - and 
timings have to measured or estimated. If then you put that driver in a 
machine that goes a bit slower on those timings, it will fail.

You could ask kernel developers to be more precise on this.

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Re: [opensuse] automating the wlan connect

[Ed Harrison]

Mohamed Haidar wrote:
> Hello pro's, I have a simple question. Every time I boot my computer I
> have to type the KDE wallet password to log on to the wlan. How do you
> do it so the connection to the wlan is automatic without the need to
> type the password every time ??
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Here is how I do mine; may not be kosher but it works.  To the end of
/etc/init.d/boot.local, add the 3 lines shown at the bottom here.


#! /bin/sh
#
# Copyright (c) 2002 SuSE Linux AG Nuernberg, Germany.  All rights reserved.
#
# Author: Werner Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 1996
# Burchard Steinbild, 1996
#
# /etc/init.d/boot.local
#
# script with local commands to be executed from init on system startup
#
# Here you should add things, that should happen directly after booting
# before we're going to the first run level.
#

ifdown-dhcp wlan0
iwconfig wlan0 essid "Your_LAN_Name without quotes"  key "Your wireless
key to router without quotes"
ifup-dhcp wlan0 -o debug,auto
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Re: [opensuse] More display problems

[Sloan]

Bob Williams wrote:
Having been unsuccessful with my ATI Radeon card, I treated myself to an 
nVidia 7600 graphics card. I've added the download.nvidia repository and 
installed the drivers, but running glxgears gives the following


:~> glxgears
Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
1074 frames in 5.0 seconds = 214.689 FPS
1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.026 FPS
1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.039 FPS
1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.031 FPS
1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.034 FPS

I'm sure it should do better than that, and I'm not sure what to do about that 
missing extension :(


Any suggestions, please?
  


Did you run nvidia-xconfig?

BTW, should I remove the ATI drivers, if so, how?
  


If you installed an ati driver rpm, remove the rpm.

Joe



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[opensuse] More display problems

[Bob Williams]

Having been unsuccessful with my ATI Radeon card, I treated myself to an 
nVidia 7600 graphics card. I've added the download.nvidia repository and 
installed the drivers, but running glxgears gives the following

:~> glxgears
Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
1074 frames in 5.0 seconds = 214.689 FPS
1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.026 FPS
1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.039 FPS
1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.031 FPS
1221 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.034 FPS

I'm sure it should do better than that, and I'm not sure what to do about that 
missing extension :(

Any suggestions, please?

BTW, should I remove the ATI drivers, if so, how?
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[opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

[Registration Account]

The current default file system for any new installation is now ex3.
I have a RAID0 over 2 x 186GIG + 2 x 20GB over 2 HDD. The current file
system format is reiser + Encryption.
Previous to that I had the same RAID0 config however I was using ex3.
The / partition is also reiser, without encryption unencrypted
The /home mounted partition is reiser without encryption
I have noted that using reiser in both / and /home directory appears to
offer a speed boot load that is just a small bit faster and mounting of
the RAID0 partition (encrypted) takes a shorter time.
Overriding factor change in O/S from 10.1 -10.2.
Just going back to file systems - which is known to be faster and which
is know to be the most stable.
I understand the 2 may not be ==
Without offering an epistle can a few people who do know give  me an
answer. Some slight technical description for your logic would help me a
lot .
With respect to file systems info you don't need to dumb down your words
much for me in this respect - believe me - there will be other times
where I I will really need to lower the level of usage of language.
Many Thanks and Good Morning
Scott 03:22 GMT +10


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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Aaron Kulkis]

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Friday 11 May 2007 07:29, Petr Klíma wrote:

Well, it's quite surprising, but Linux is by order of magnitude more
sensitive to hardware stability. Memory errors, overclocking and such
may cause Linux to produce weird errors while Windows run
smoothly. ... 


I know this is the conventional wisdom, and I don't really dispute it, 
but I am at a loss to explain why it would be so.


Does anyone know where this extra sensitivity to marginal hardware 
originates? Why would Windows be more tolerant? Do they do something to 
be more robust (e.g., catch hardware fault exceptions and attempt 
retries or some such tactic)?


I think it's more of an observation effect.

Windows is so buggy, that when hardware errors do occur,
it's just background noise in the all-too-typical crashing
and failing...


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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[James Knott]

Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Friday 11 May 2007 07:29, Petr Klíma wrote:
  

Well, it's quite surprising, but Linux is by order of magnitude more
sensitive to hardware stability. Memory errors, overclocking and such
may cause Linux to produce weird errors while Windows run
smoothly. ... 



I know this is the conventional wisdom, and I don't really dispute it, 
but I am at a loss to explain why it would be so.


Does anyone know where this extra sensitivity to marginal hardware 
originates? Why would Windows be more tolerant? Do they do something to 
be more robust (e.g., catch hardware fault exceptions and attempt 
retries or some such tactic)?


  


There should be no difference.  There's nothing any OS can do, that 
works hardware more than another.  What may happen though is ignoring 
errors.



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Re: [opensuse] How to configure the text displayed in the StarWars screen saver?

[Aaron Kulkis]

peter nikolic wrote:

On Thursday 10 May 2007, Clayton wrote:

You mean someone wasted their time writing text editors other than vi ?

Thank the various gods for that!!!

This quote about vi about sums it up:
-
I thought it was the stupidest, most perverse and irritating thing
imaginable. I couldn't believe that people sat down to write a text
editor and came up with this.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a7601dc8c9af9d7d

I've tried using vi off and on for at least 15 years.  It is the
single most infuriating and annoying piece of software ever written...
well, except for MS Windows.  You really have to wonder what the
developers of this masochistic editor were smoking when they sat down
and designed vi.  Every time I have to use that horrible little
editor, I learn at least 4 new swear words and have to go lay down for
a while to recover.




Having used several screen-oriented editors, on various operating
systems even, I have yet to use anything with the power:ease of use
ratio that vi has.

While emacs is more powerful, it's...maddening to learn.

By comparison, I've also used se (and old BSD Screen Editor complete
with a "hint" bar on the bottom of the screen), and the ubiquitous
XEDIT on IBMs, plus the various offerings on computers in the
8- and 16-bit microcomputer eras







C.


There is one even more infuriating piece of editor ware   anyone 
remember   "Edlin"ye gads ..   no that even makes "vi" look good


or "ed" which is still found on all Unix and Linux systems (mainly
because there are some programs that use it in a sort of batch mode)

(google for ed-is-the-one-true-editor :-)






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[opensuse] automating the wlan connect

[Mohamed Haidar]

Hello pro's, I have a simple question. Every time I boot my computer I
have to type the KDE wallet password to log on to the wlan. How do you
do it so the connection to the wlan is automatic without the need to
type the password every time ??
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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Randall R Schulz]

On Friday 11 May 2007 09:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Friday 2007-05-11 at 07:47 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > Does anyone know where this extra sensitivity to marginal hardware
> > originates? Why would Windows be more tolerant? Do they do
> > something to be more robust (e.g., catch hardware fault exceptions
> > and attempt retries or some such tactic)?
>
> My guess is that linux tries to use all the capacity the hardware
> should have, in order to improve speed and throughput. This also
> means that if the hardware fails to do wht it should do, linux will
> also fail.

That doesn't really explain it, does it? If there's some subset of a 
machine's capabilities not used by Windows but used by Linux, why would 
it exactly correspond to that which tends to fail or misfire in all 
those cases of systems that run without overt error on Windows but 
cause crashes or malfunctions under Linux?


> Probably windows is more conservative, uses a more genereic approach
> - or they used more faulty harware when testing, or use conservative
> generic specifications.

Possible, but it's still not a well-formed idea. Computers are digital 
devices. They don't really have any continuous properties, other than, 
perhaps, some issues around failure probabilities (or inter-arrival 
times) w.r.t. device temperature.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: mail headers

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-05-11 at 16:34 +0200, Joachim Schrod wrote:

> > The mail in question is marked with "*" as an answer to mail number 4447,
> > whereas it is in fact an answer to 4448 from Sandy. The thread may be
> > correctly identified, but the exact parent email is not, and this happens
> > because the In-Reply-To header is incorrect.
> 
> You're right. As I replied already to Masaru-san, I didn't realize that the
> References header are changed as well. Pine pseudo-threading feature saves
> your day, it orders it below the 2nd 
>  item from the references thread.

Perhaps you could report the problem to the chaps handling the news server 
you use. Is it open source? If so, it will have a manual, perhaps it is a 
feature that can be configured.


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Re: [opensuse] Bug report

[Ed Harrison]

CETIN OVALI wrote:
> After we increase the version to 10.2 our customers told me
> that they can not reach the site http://tcmbf40.tcmb.gov.tr/cbt.html  .
> I could not find any reason why we can not connect this site.
It may not be a 10.2 problem.  My browser times out trying to resolve
the address.  I cannot ping the address--same reason. SSH times out also.

Ed Harrison
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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

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The Friday 2007-05-11 at 07:47 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

> On Friday 11 May 2007 07:29, Petr Klíma wrote:
> > Well, it's quite surprising, but Linux is by order of magnitude more
> > sensitive to hardware stability. Memory errors, overclocking and such
> > may cause Linux to produce weird errors while Windows run
> > smoothly. ... 
> 
> I know this is the conventional wisdom, and I don't really dispute it, 
> but I am at a loss to explain why it would be so.
> 
> Does anyone know where this extra sensitivity to marginal hardware 
> originates? Why would Windows be more tolerant? Do they do something to 
> be more robust (e.g., catch hardware fault exceptions and attempt 
> retries or some such tactic)?

My guess is that linux tries to use all the capacity the hardware should 
have, in order to improve speed and throughput. This also means that if 
the hardware fails to do wht it should do, linux will also fail.

Probably windows is more conservative, uses a more genereic approach - or 
they used more faulty harware when testing, or use conservative generic 
specifications.

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Re: [opensuse] cron problems

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2007-05-11 10:16, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> The Friday 2007-05-11 at 09:44 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
>
> 
> > Apologies again to the list. Next time I'll wait a day :-)
>
> :-)
>
> You know you can check the archive.
I did; it wasn't there either.

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Re: [opensuse] How to configure the text displayed in the StarWars screen saver?

[M Harris]

On Thursday 10 May 2007 13:35, peter nikolic wrote:
> There is one even more infuriating piece of editor ware   anyone
> remember   "Edlin"    ye gads ..   no that even makes "vi" look good
I still remember the days when we had to use:

copy con 
...
...
ctrl-Z

... just to get a file into that stupid dos machine... and when we 
discovered 
edlin we were sooo happy.  



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Re: [opensuse] cron problems

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-05-11 at 09:44 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

> > Tri-plicate, in fact.
> I sent another one after 8.5 hours.
> 
> I see in the headers that #1 made it to mail.suse..de within seconds of
> my sending it, but it sat there until Friday morning, 0600 GMT. From
> then back to me was another very few seconds.

Yes, I noticed. I didn't say more, I expected to see more people 
complaining, but I only saw one.

> Apologies again to the list. Next time I'll wait a day :-)

:-)

You know you can check the archive.


> > ... have to /edit and parse/ the [system crontab],
> > which is way more dificult than simply copying over a file.
> >
> Very true. I'm probably just nit-picking -- how often do any ever
> install anything as non-root that wants a cron job? :-)

In that case you can only edit manually the user crontab, no alternative.

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Re: [opensuse] rsync errors

[Greg Freemyer]

On 5/11/07, Patrick Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

* James D. Parra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-10-07 20:22]:
> I am getting 'skipping non-regular file' errors when running rsync. Any
> ideas on why and how to fix them?
>
> Using rsync -rpvougt .
>
> skipping non-regular file "rd/programs/unixODBC-2.2.11/samples/helper.o"
> skipping non-regular file
> "rd/programs/unixODBC-2.2.11/sqp/.libs/libsqplc.la"
> skipping non-regular file
> "rd/programs/wxwidgets/wxBase-2.6.2/lib/libwx_baseu-2.6.so"
> skipping non-regular file
> "rd/programs/wxwidgets/wxBase-2.6.2/lib/libwx_baseu-2.6.so.0"


I guess, when in doubt check the doc's.  The FIRST step when you have
a problem.

From TFM:

SYMBOLIC LINKS
   Three basic behaviors are possible when rsync encounters a
   symbolic link in the source directory.

   By default, symbolic links are not transferred at all.  A
   message "skipping non-regular" file is emitted for any symlinks
   that exist.


There are other issues that cause the same error.

In my case I get them because I have several "sockets" that are in my
/home directory structure  (all from beagle I think) that I rsync to a
backup each night.

You can get an idea of what your issue is by doing a "ls -l" on the
offending files.  If there not symbolic links, look at the first
character of the ls output and see what kind of file it is.  If the
first char is a "s", then you have sockets as well.

All the possible values are documented in "info ls", but not in the
man page.  I have not verified if rsync can handle sockets or not.
I'm basically just assuming that sockets in my /home directory
structure are not critical to my backup.

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Re: [opensuse] opensuse and problem of poland users

[M Harris]

On Friday 11 May 2007 05:06, Jan Tiggy wrote:
> > I know Poles are stubborn, and hold to old fashioned values, which is
> > usually a good thing. But sticking to ADSL modems is not a useful
> > national characteristic.
>
> This statement sounds like prejudice to me and proves that you do not
> understand the polish market at all. And complaining about being
> stubborn do only folks who are stubborn themselves.
Remember... world peace through world trade...

... the stubbornness would seem to be with suse. And suse will loose to 
Ubuntu if they do not quickly figure out that the free market is "market 
driven" ...  if they want ADSL support you better give it to them... if suse 
doesn't, somebody else will...  

If I were suse I might try to solicit some talent in Poland to work on 
these 
details (and pay them for it) and stop whining.   But for crying out loud, 
don't call a segment of your client base stubborn... that just isn't 
nice.  :)




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Re: [opensuse] Re: cron problems

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2007-05-11 06:10, Joachim Schrod wrote:
>  
>
> You discarded the other two reasons that I give. This gives the
> impression that you don't find them essential.
Actually, no I do not. I was only comparing using the system crontab
file with using individual /etc/cron.d files, not the cron. ones.
Sorry for not making that clear. I do have tasks of my own in the system
crontab, including one that runs @reboot.


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Re: [opensuse] cron problems

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2007-05-11 04:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> The Thursday 2007-05-10 at 23:49 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
>
> > My apologies if this is a duplicate post; 12-1/2 hours later, it still
> > hasn't arrived here from the listserver.
>
> Tri-plicate, in fact.
I sent another one after 8.5 hours.

I see in the headers that #1 made it to mail.suse..de within seconds of
my sending it, but it sat there until Friday morning, 0600 GMT. From
then back to me was another very few seconds.

Apologies again to the list. Next time I'll wait a day :-)
>
>
> > On 2007-05-09 18:36, Joachim Schrod wrote:
>
> >> 
> >> No, sorry, not at all. /etc/cron.d/ is *very* valuable.
> >>
> >> It is needed if one
> >>  (a) wants to be able to install and de-install a cron file without
> >>  changing /etc/crontab, e.g., by a package,
> > In 9.3, non-root users don't have write permission in /etc/cron.d, so
> > only packages installed by root could create a cron file there.
>
> Packages are always installed by root; users can not install rpms (ie,
> packages).
Not just RPMs, whatever Debian calls their equivalent thingy and binary
tarballs are also included :-)  I was also including locally compiled
packages under the term "packages", and those can be installed by a
non-root user.
>
> ... have to /edit and parse/ the [system crontab],
> which is way more dificult than simply copying over a file.
>
Very true. I'm probably just nit-picking -- how often do any ever
install anything as non-root that wants a cron job? :-)

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[opensuse] KDE kdeinit $display not set

[peter nikolic]

Hi .

Just had to restart KDE for the first time so far on 10.3 alpha2  and now 
getting the message  

kdeinit  $DISPLAY not set than it does nothing  , i think i saw something 
about  this not long ago but cant find the item   anyone remember what the 
fix was   simple i think ! but what ..

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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Randall R Schulz]

On Friday 11 May 2007 07:29, Petr Klíma wrote:
> Well, it's quite surprising, but Linux is by order of magnitude more
> sensitive to hardware stability. Memory errors, overclocking and such
> may cause Linux to produce weird errors while Windows run
> smoothly. ... 

I know this is the conventional wisdom, and I don't really dispute it, 
but I am at a loss to explain why it would be so.

Does anyone know where this extra sensitivity to marginal hardware 
originates? Why would Windows be more tolerant? Do they do something to 
be more robust (e.g., catch hardware fault exceptions and attempt 
retries or some such tactic)?


> ...
>
> Cheers, Tosuja


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[opensuse] Re: mail headers

[Joachim Schrod]

Carlos E. R. wrote:


Not completely. Look:

4447 07-05-09 19:36 G T Smith (7123) . |   |->
4448 07-05-09 21:24 Sandy Drobic  (5853)   | |->  
*   4449 07-05-10 12:16 Joachim Schrod(5720) . | |->  
  A 4450 07-05-10 20:12 Masaru Nomiya (5731) . |   |->
4451 07-05-10 14:02 To: OS-en (6096)   |   | |->  
4452 07-05-10 14:36 Joachim Schrod()   |   |-[opensuse]  Re: mail headers (was:


The mail in question is marked with "*" as an answer to mail number 4447, 
whereas it is in fact an answer to 4448 from Sandy. The thread may be 
correctly identified, but the exact parent email is not, and this happens 
because the In-Reply-To header is incorrect.


You're right. As I replied already to Masaru-san, I didn't realize 
that the References header are changed as well. Pine 
pseudo-threading feature saves your day, it orders it below the 2nd 
 item from the references thread.


Sigh.

Joachim

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[opensuse] Re: mail headers

[Joachim Schrod]

Masaru Nomiya wrote:


Don't you know?
Your MUA changed Message-ID in the Reference field, too!

Like this;

Original Message-ID is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In your mail;

References:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[...]
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Is this reasonable with respect to RFC?


No, I didn't know; and I stand corrected.

Nevertheless, I don't know how to change it since the articles that 
I'm replying to have those message ids, after all. (Well, besides 
reading the mailing list and/or changing my MUA; but both is so 
inconvenient that I would rather stop posting recommendations and 
answers.) I'm sorry, but I can't help it.


Joachim

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Re: [opensuse] 4GB computer slowdown

[Petr Klíma]

Well, it's quite surprising, but Linux is by order of magnitude more 
sensitive to hardware stability. Memory errors, overclocking and such 
may cause Linux to produce weird errors while Windows run smoothly. I 
don't recognize this as a Linux weakness though, it just requires stable 
hardware. Stable OS run on stable HW, it's that simple :-)


I know it's not helpfull, but I have no difficulties running 64bit 
OpenSuse 10.2 on machines with lots of RAM. I've got several Core 2 Duo 
Xeons with 32GB RAM with nVidia Quadro FX4500 graphic cards and I 
haven't experienced any slowdown either during install nor everyday 
work. They are by far the fastest machines I ever used (comparing e.g. 
with 3.4GHz P4 with 4GB RAM). I've got 16 core Opteron with 64GB of RAM 
and I've got no problems as well. There's no reason for 64bit OS to do 
anything different with 4GB instead of 2,8 or 128GB.


The slowdown is most probably caused by your hardware/BIOS setup vs. 
kernel clash. I don't recall exactly WHEN the "Loading drivers" takes 
place but I can safely guess that the there is some long timeout 
somewhere within hardware detection section. One example - I experienced 
such pauses on several Intel workstations - it could take 3+ minutes to 
detect SATA disks (well, it timed out on unoccupied SATA ports).


Different kernel, updated BIOS or even simple BIOS settings change might 
help (or might not as well...). I would suggest to start with updating 
the kernel (if possible) as well as BIOS (definitely, makes miracles 
sometimes).


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Re: [opensuse] UniTTY: A better way to SSH. And SFTP. And VNC!

[Sunny]

On 5/11/07, Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thursday 10 May 2007 12:16, Randall R Schulz wrote:

The product's page is
.

I decided to give this a try, just for kicks (I'm not looking for any
new terminal emulators). It's proprietary, closed-source software, but
it is free to use for sites with 25 or fewer users. It's written in
Java, so requires a JVM (Java Virtual Machine) installed.



Yes, and comes with all the problems of a closed source ... I found a
problem with it (function keys not working in midnight commander) and
tried to ask them. I found only a generic support email address, from
where they asked me to go to register (giving names, address, phones -
all required). No way ... this is not the greatest thing, so it
doesn't worth the effort.

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Re: [opensuse] UniTTY: A better way to SSH. And SFTP. And VNC!

[Randall R Schulz]

On Thursday 10 May 2007 12:16, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> :
>
> "UniTTY
>
> "Like all Linux users, you probably have certain tools you rely on to
> get your job done. For example, if you’re a system administrator, a
> web developer, or a hacker, a good SSH client is a must. Add to that
> a nice, graphical SFTP client and a VNC client and you can do almost
> anything. What about a secure VNC client — VNC tunneled through SSH?
> The latter would be great, but it’s a pain to set up, right?
>
> ..."

The product's page is 
.

I decided to give this a try, just for kicks (I'm not looking for any 
new terminal emulators). It's proprietary, closed-source software, but 
it is free to use for sites with 25 or fewer users. It's written in 
Java, so requires a JVM (Java Virtual Machine) installed.

It seems to be quite featureful, though I only tried using SSH terminal 
emulation. It has such poor scrolling speed that I can't see anyone 
being able to tolerate using it, especially with a large window size 
(scrolling slows down markedly as the virtual size increases).

There are some anomalous, though non-fatal behaviors. E.g., when 
connecting (at least using keyboard interactive authentication), 
there's a small, blank alert box displayed after you enter your 
password. If you confirm it, login proceeds normally and you get the 
SSH session you wanted.

There are installers for Linux, Mac OS X and Windows, so at least you 
could have a terminal emulator that's familiar on all three major 
platforms.

But unless they improve the scrolling behavior (and I've seen lots of 
Java applications do far better than this, so probably it's a naive 
implementation that they could improve), I don't see it being useful, 
at least as an ordinary terminal emulator.


Randall Schulz
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Re: [opensuse] fatal error in chmod-ing on root partition /

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-05-11 at 14:12 +0200, jdd wrote:

> did you try "SuSEconfig"?
> 
> I think there is a "permission" module that set all at the /etc/permission
> status

Yes, you are correct. But those permissions changes are applied to the 
files already installed from the rpm; if the rpm is correct, there is no 
need to modify them. Also, the script doesn't make a file executable or 
not.

So, first chika has to restore the original permissions, then run 
"SuSEconfig --module permissions". Then, he will have to manually see to 
his personal and data files all over the place... Ouch.

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Re: [opensuse] Windows mount is ReadOnly

[James Knott]

Mike McMullin wrote:

On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 07:36 -0400, James Knott wrote:
  

Clayton wrote:


I think this definately calls for a conservative approach! I'll find a
different way of moving files between Linux and Windows, 

Many thanks to everyone who offered help on this issue.


The way used to I do this was relatively simple... My Linux partitions
are Reiser, my XP partition was NTFS.  Linux can read NTFS with no
problems... so on the rare occasion I needed to snag a file from the
XP partition, I can.  On the other hand if I happened to be booted to
Windows (err.. something I haven't done in ages) I had a small util
installed there that could read Reiser partitions... so I could copy
from the Linux partitions to the NTFS partitions.

OK, it's one way.. copying from the foreign fs to the local... but it
works.. and no risk of corrupting the foreign fs because you're
accessing in ro mode.
  

What I did on my notebook, was create a FAT32 partition and move the "My
Documents" folder to it.  This way either OS can read & write the files.



  Did you create the mount point at the usual location on C: root?

  
No, Windows drives get mounted under /windows, so this would be mounted 
on /windows/d.  I also created a link to my home directory, where it 
appears as another folder.




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Re: [opensuse] wireless for Integrated Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG

[Matthias Titeux]

Le Jeudi 10 Mai 2007 22:08, Gordon J. Holtslander a écrit :
> Hi:
>
> Just bought an hp nx 7400 laptop with  Integrated Intel PRO/Wireless
> 3945ABG.
>
> I'm trying to get the wireless working with openSuse 10.2
>
> before wiping windows off the computer I set up my wireless router to
> communicate with the laptop.
>
> After replacing Windows with OpenSuse 10.2, I am unable to use wireless
> networking on the system.  I have configured the wireless with the same
> parameters I used when Windows was on the system.
>
> The wireless hardware is recognized - I can configure the card in YAST -
> both the wired card and the wireless card are recognized.
>
> There is a wireless switch on the computer.  I turn it on and the wirless
> indicator lights up on the switch and on the indicator lamp on the front of
> the laptop.
>
> When I run Network Manager it does not recognize that the system has
> wireless. When I run the KDE wireless monitor it states that wireless has
> been disabled.
>
> I see that Intel has a linux driver for this hardware:
> http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/
>
> I am assuming installing this driver would get the wireless networking
> functional.
>
> I assume that since YAST recognizes that there is a wireless networking
> hardware on the computer that some of the necessary driver parts have been
> installed.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to determine what needs to be done to get this
> working, apart from completely installing the driver?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gord
>
>
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Hi,

I jump into this thread because I experienced a similar problem lately.
I have a Dell laptop (inspiron 6400) with an Intel Pro Wireless 3945 wlan card 
and Opensuse 10.2 installed. Until the last kernel update (2.6.18.0.3 i 
believe) the card was properly detected and knetwork manager prompt me at 
every boot up for the wap key of my wireless network (which is handle through 
kwallet). Oddly, after the kernel update, the card is not recognize onto YaST 
-> network -> network adpater. And the wireless card is not active. If I 
manualy load the driver (modprobe ipw3945) and restart the network (rcnetwork 
retstart), it is then detected (but does not appear in the available adapter 
list under YaST), knetwork manager starts and network is available. 

Any ideas ?

Thanks in advance

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Re: [opensuse] Windows mount is ReadOnly

[Mike McMullin]

On Fri, 2007-05-11 at 07:36 -0400, James Knott wrote:
> Clayton wrote:
> >> I think this definately calls for a conservative approach! I'll find a
> >> different way of moving files between Linux and Windows, 
> >>
> >> Many thanks to everyone who offered help on this issue.
> >
> > The way used to I do this was relatively simple... My Linux partitions
> > are Reiser, my XP partition was NTFS.  Linux can read NTFS with no
> > problems... so on the rare occasion I needed to snag a file from the
> > XP partition, I can.  On the other hand if I happened to be booted to
> > Windows (err.. something I haven't done in ages) I had a small util
> > installed there that could read Reiser partitions... so I could copy
> > from the Linux partitions to the NTFS partitions.
> >
> > OK, it's one way.. copying from the foreign fs to the local... but it
> > works.. and no risk of corrupting the foreign fs because you're
> > accessing in ro mode.
> 
> What I did on my notebook, was create a FAT32 partition and move the "My
> Documents" folder to it.  This way either OS can read & write the files.

  Did you create the mount point at the usual location on C: root?

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Re: [opensuse] rsync errors

[Patrick Shanahan]

* James D. Parra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-10-07 20:22]:
> I am getting 'skipping non-regular file' errors when running rsync. Any
> ideas on why and how to fix them?
> 
> Using rsync -rpvougt .
>  
> skipping non-regular file "rd/programs/unixODBC-2.2.11/samples/helper.o"
> skipping non-regular file
> "rd/programs/unixODBC-2.2.11/sqp/.libs/libsqplc.la"
> skipping non-regular file
> "rd/programs/wxwidgets/wxBase-2.6.2/lib/libwx_baseu-2.6.so"
> skipping non-regular file
> "rd/programs/wxwidgets/wxBase-2.6.2/lib/libwx_baseu-2.6.so.0"


I guess, when in doubt check the doc's.  The FIRST step when you have
a problem.

>From TFM:

SYMBOLIC LINKS
   Three basic behaviors are possible when rsync encounters a
   symbolic link in the source directory.
   
   By default, symbolic links are not transferred at all.  A
   message "skipping non-regular" file is emitted for any symlinks
   that exist.
 
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Re: [opensuse] Bug report

[CETIN OVALI]

Thanks for your help. It solved my problem
Best

>>> Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11.05.2007 14:38 >>>
On 2007/05/11 13:54 (GMT+0300) CETIN OVALI apparently typed:

> After we increase the version to 10.2 our customers told me
> that they can not reach the site http://tcmbf40.tcmb.gov.tr/cbt.html 
.
> I could not find any reason why we can not connect this site

Maybe this:
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Problem_with_establishing_TCP/IP_connection_in_openSUSE_10.2

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=229848 
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Re: [opensuse] Windows mount is ReadOnly

[Patrick Shanahan]

* John Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [05-10-07 22:07]:
 [...]
> In any event, my statement was tongue in cheek, which is why
> it was phrased the way it was, and there is no need to pull
> this thread further off topic to revisit that open wound.

More like "Foot in MOUTH".

IF you weren't *goading* further bashing (debate and discussion will
not fit here), you would have stayed silent.  

Probably an impossible situation!

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Re: [opensuse] fatal error in chmod-ing on root partition /

[jdd]

did you try "SuSEconfig"?

I think there is a "permission" module that set all at the 
/etc/permission status


not sure, though

jdd


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[opensuse] Re: cron problems

[Joachim Schrod]

Darryl Gregorash wrote:

On 2007-05-09 18:36, Joachim Schrod wrote:


No, sorry, not at all. /etc/cron.d/ is *very* valuable.

It is needed if one
 (a) wants to be able to install and de-install a cron file without
 changing /etc/crontab, e.g., by a package,

In 9.3, non-root users don't have write permission in /etc/cron.d, so
only packages installed by root could create a cron file there.


All packages are installed by root, that's no question.

But there are more packages in the world than SUSE packages.
Some folks, in particular, especially in large IT environments, 
package their own local software; to be able to install it 
controlled and automatically on a large number of systems.



(the question then is do the entries in cron.d inherit the /etc/crontab
settings?).


No, each crontab file needs the settings anew.

The only advantage I can see to using /etc/cron.d at all (which of
course on some installations might be a tremendous advantage) is that
you can have a separate environment, eg. different MAILTO, for each of
the files.


You discarded the other two reasons that I give. This gives the 
impression that you don't find them essential.


So, please tell me: How do you create a cron job that is executed 
every 15 minutes and that shall be installed by an rpm package, 
without /etc/cron.d/?


You can also tell me if you don't see the need for this requirement.

Joachim

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