Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

2007-05-21 Thread jdd

Peter Czanik wrote:

Hello,
I work a lot with machines with limited amount of RAM, like:


I will add to this.

I don't remember if the yast install console (there is one available, 
don't remember the F-number) allow partitioning, but the rescue mode 
allows it.


however, with 10.2, when you _have_ made a swap partition, the 
automatic partitoner/installer is confused and don't allow to use it 
by default for the final install (it uses it for yast)


practically, what I did:

create a swap, mkswap, launch install... ok
when come to partitioning (free disk), I was said that 3 partitions 
where needed:

* my original swap one,
* a new yast proposed swap partition,
* the / partition.

I didn't too much look at the details (alas), go to expert mode, 
delete the new swap and / yast proposal, don't touch my swap one, and 
add all the rest as /


after that, yast complain it can't mount the /dev/hda1 partition on 
the swap mount point... may be my original swap part was reaffected 
by yast, but in a funny way :-).


I had only to go back to partitionner, assign and format my swap as 
swap, the rest as / and all goes well.


but, here, there are two potential problems:

* a pre-existing swap should be used as swap :-)) by default
* why was a swap mount point ever proposed :-)

on such system, when a swap part is needed, creating it should be proposed

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Re: [opensuse-factory] How can we support better Virtualization in openSUSE ?

2007-05-21 Thread Philipp Thomas
On Mon, 21 May 2007 01:26:22 +0100, Sid Boyce wrote:

I guessed that immediately I saw the no supported hardware found in 
dmesg.

I thought so, since you said that you got yourself new hardware :) I
just added it as info for others.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

2007-05-21 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Mon 21 May 2007 18:23:42 NZST +1200, Peter Czanik wrote:

 Installation on these machines is getting more and more difficult due to
 RAM requirements of the installer (especially the package manager).
 Right now the only way to install openSUSE on such a machine is to
 enable a swap partition at the beginning of installation.

You can only do that if the installer is able to proceed to the point
where it asks whether to enable a swap partition which already exists on
disk. The 10.2 one doesn't get that far with 128MB RAM, a black screen
and hard-hang results. Hmm I think that box had onboard shared-mem
graphics which prob effectively took 4-8MB off.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

2007-05-21 Thread M9.
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jdd schreef:
 Peter Czanik wrote:
 Hello,
 I work a lot with machines with limited amount of RAM, like:
 
 I will add to this.
 
 I don't remember if the yast install console (there is one available,
 don't remember the F-number) allow partitioning, but the rescue mode
 allows it.
 
 however, with 10.2, when you _have_ made a swap partition, the automatic
 partitoner/installer is confused and don't allow to use it by default
 for the final install (it uses it for yast)
 
 practically, what I did:
 
 create a swap, mkswap, launch install... ok
 when come to partitioning (free disk), I was said that 3 partitions
 where needed:
 * my original swap one,
 * a new yast proposed swap partition,
 * the / partition.
 
 I didn't too much look at the details (alas), go to expert mode, delete
 the new swap and / yast proposal, don't touch my swap one, and add all
 the rest as /
 
 after that, yast complain it can't mount the /dev/hda1 partition on the
 swap mount point... may be my original swap part was reaffected by
 yast, but in a funny way :-).
 
 I had only to go back to partitionner, assign and format my swap as
 swap, the rest as / and all goes well.
 
 but, here, there are two potential problems:
 
 * a pre-existing swap should be used as swap :-)) by default
 * why was a swap mount point ever proposed :-)
 
 on such system, when a swap part is needed, creating it should be proposed

I would very well welcome this proposition on the short term.

Yesterday i wanted to update 10.0  10.2, on a Compaq Armada E500, with
192MB Ram. (Not possible caused by unsolvable deps.)

Yast suggested to use the available swap-partition, and continued.
However, the new install somehow screwed the partition label, and
install was terminated.

W2K, and the 10.0 install unusable...

Now i did re-install W2K, and am facing the same prob.
It is solvable, but for people not as familiar, this would be:

Not possible to install SuSE OS.

This is the last thing we would want, i guess?
 
 jdd
 
 
 

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[opensuse-factory] SaX2 source

2007-05-21 Thread Rafał Miłecki

Hello,

Where may I find sources of SaX2?

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[opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.

2007-05-21 Thread M9.
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As the subject.
They stop the process of copying or comparing..very annoying.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.

2007-05-21 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
Not a solution for newbies, but you can shut beagle down temporarily
with:

beagle-shutdown

Ciao,
A.

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 They stop the process of copying or comparing..very annoying.
 
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.

2007-05-21 Thread M9.
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Alberto Passalacqua schreef:
 Not a solution for newbies, but you can shut beagle down temporarily
 with:
 
 beagle-shutdown

Might be not so bad, when on, it takes aaages to
synchronize.
 
 Ciao,
 A.
 
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.

2007-05-21 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
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 Alberto Passalacqua schreef:
  Not a solution for newbies, but you can shut beagle down temporarily
  with:
  
  beagle-shutdown
 
 Might be not so bad, when on, it takes aaages to
 synchronize.

What do you use to synchronize? I do my backups with rsync, and
excluding the first sync/copy, it's pretty fast.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.

2007-05-21 Thread M9.
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Alberto Passalacqua schreef:
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 Alberto Passalacqua schreef:
 Not a solution for newbies, but you can shut beagle down temporarily
 with:

 beagle-shutdown
 Might be not so bad, when on, it takes aaages to
 synchronize.
 
 What do you use to synchronize? I do my backups with rsync, and
 excluding the first sync/copy, it's pretty fast.

Is it cmd?
Is it standard in openSUSE?
Is there a manual?

I am not yet used to the huge amounts of data in a home dir ;-(
So i use something like Krusader, but it is so damn slow, one thinks it
stopped.

Second, i store on a networkdrive, with samba on it, using fat32...since
i got one, but i am not able to get nfs on it (can not get into set-up,
firmwareprotected) which would make a lot of things a lot easier..

Synchronising did not work:-(
I am now throwing the old back-up away, (which also takes too much
time!) to just copy my home again...
lost my whole afternoon.
I have to rearrange my partitions: /var and /usr are running out of
space very quick, and my /boot is still too small...

so i have too get rid off my old config, and start brandnew, with
updated 'needed space info' ;-)

This realy slows down the proces...

 
 Regards,
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Re: [opensuse-factory] SaX2 source

2007-05-21 Thread Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett
On Monday 21 May 2007 13:57:34 Rafał Miłecki wrote:
 Hello,

 Where may I find sources of SaX2?

http://www.google.com/search?q=sax2+x11

first and second result:

http://sax.berlios.de/
http://developer.berlios.de/projects/sax/

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.

2007-05-21 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
 Is it cmd?

Yes, it's a command line tool.

 Is it standard in openSUSE?

Yes, it's installed by default.

 Is there a manual?

You can just type man manual in a terminal and read there, but this
link provides you some useful hint to do backups:

http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/


You might consider also Unison, which is another tool to synchronise
directories. It's available in the OSS repository of openSUSE and you
can find more information here
http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/

Both the tools can use the network to synchronise, by means of SSH.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

2007-05-21 Thread Steffen Winterfeldt
On Mon, 21 May 2007, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

 On Mon 21 May 2007 18:23:42 NZST +1200, Peter Czanik wrote:
 
  Installation on these machines is getting more and more difficult due to
  RAM requirements of the installer (especially the package manager).
  Right now the only way to install openSUSE on such a machine is to
  enable a swap partition at the beginning of installation.
 
 You can only do that if the installer is able to proceed to the point
 where it asks whether to enable a swap partition which already exists on
 disk. The 10.2 one doesn't get that far with 128MB RAM, a black screen
 and hard-hang results. Hmm I think that box had onboard shared-mem
 graphics which prob effectively took 4-8MB off.

linuxrc in 10.2 is setup to ask for swap if you have less than about 256MB
RAM (provided you already have a swap partition.)

Just did a quick check and it works for me (even with mem=110m, which should
approximate your config).


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.

2007-05-21 Thread M9.
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Alberto Passalacqua schreef:
 Is it cmd?
 
 Yes, it's a command line tool.
 
 Is it standard in openSUSE?
 
 Yes, it's installed by default.
 
 Is there a manual?
 
 You can just type man manual in a terminal and read there, but this
 link provides you some useful hint to do backups:
 
 http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/
 
 
 You might consider also Unison, which is another tool to synchronise
 directories. It's available in the OSS repository of openSUSE and you
 can find more information here
 http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
 
 Both the tools can use the network to synchronise, by means of SSH.
 
 Regards,
 A.
 
Very usefull indeed! ;-)

I also discovered that the cause might be: ext3  fat32, in which is
deleting from pc, instead right off the networkdrive even slower than
comparing(!)(it is still deleting, while the new copy is ready for
at least 20 minutes... have too look into this!)

I now copied my home, which gets a little too fat if you ask me: 6,3 GB,
to an existing Reiserfs partition somewhere on another drive, which took
just a few minutes..:-)

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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

2007-05-21 Thread M9.
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Steffen Winterfeldt schreef:

 
 That sounds rather like bug. Please consider a bugreport.
 
 
 Steffen

Well, i never encountered this before, but i never installed 10.2 on
'small' machines before...

10.0 did install without running out of RAMspace..

I would rather wait untill someone else also gets this problem, and than
back up, unless you all say to file a bug offcourse..
(i can not reproduce it now)

But if it is possible to give Yast the ability to create a swap
partition, this would be logical. (since it is needing this huge amount
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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

2007-05-21 Thread Alexey Eremenko

The problem is known. See:
Instlux - setup openSUSE Linux from Windows:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=276450


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[opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...

2007-05-21 Thread M9.
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Well,

We see that the suggestion to create a serious partitioner, like PQ
Partition Magic was not so bad at all.
I constantly run into problems, because it is much too difficult too
change the sizes of existing partitions.

Now, one has too back-up his/her home, throw away all partitions, and
start all over again.

And in the low ram case, one is not even capable to reach the partioner,
which is off course not very sane..

More logic would be: Load the files nessesary to create what is needed
first, (the room for the system, and i am still convinced, that there
are seperate partitions needed, for: /boot,/,/opt,/usr,/var, (and evt
/tmp), swap, and /home.) and then, one should be able to change sizes,
without having to delete /home.

It must be possible to reduce the size of /home, if more room for fi:
/boot, /usr, and/or /var is needed.

I realy mean that it is totaly anoying, not being able to change your
available room, without spending hours to back-up the data you want to
save..

I hope it is not too late for 10.3 final, to change this, but this hope
might be in vane...

I simply can not understand that nobody else finds this nessesary.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

2007-05-21 Thread Steffen Winterfeldt
On Mon, 21 May 2007, Peter Czanik wrote:

 I work a lot with machines with limited amount of RAM, like:
 http://www.genesippc.com/openclient.php , but also many old PC's, which
 are still suitable for running xfce, Opera, vnc and rdesktop.
 Installation on these machines is getting more and more difficult due to
 RAM requirements of the installer (especially the package manager).
 Right now the only way to install openSUSE on such a machine is to
 enable a swap partition at the beginning of installation. Here comes a
 catch: one can not enable a swap partition, when a HDD is not yet
 partitioned, or partitioned for Windows, so the disk has to be
 partitioned manually with fdisk or parted before the installation can begin.
 I wonder, if support for swap file could be added to LinuxRC, so these
 machines could be installed a lot more easy. There are many ways
 implementing it. For 2-3 installations even an USB key would do the job
 (yes, I know that they don't like many write operations, but one does
 not install machines so often :-) ), or any existing ext2/reiserfs/FAT
 partition, which Linux can write. One could use a 'swfilepart=/dev/sdb1'
 parameter to choose a device and then create a  big enough
 'suseinstallswap' file, which can be deleted at the end. 'big enough' is
 about 350MB for factory / ftp installation source. Then mkswap, swapon
 could be ran on it, and installation of these low RAM machines could be
 done just as any other openSUSE install.
 This is of course only for 'advanced' users, who know what they do, just
 as installing from a partition, where the user needs to take care, that
 the installation source is not formatted during installation :-)

Really cool users can show their advancedness by booting with (for example):

insmod=vfat exec=mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/foo bs=1G 
count=1 ; mkswap /mnt/foo ; swapon /mnt/foo ; /usr/local/bin/umount -l /mnt

which does exactly what you want. :-)

No idea what evil things will happen if you resize that partition in yast, 
though.


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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

2007-05-21 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Monday 21 May 2007 08:37, Steffen Winterfeldt wrote:
 ...

 Really cool users can show their advancedness by booting with (for
 example):

 insmod=vfat exec=mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/foo
 bs=1G count=1 ; mkswap /mnt/foo ; swapon /mnt/foo ;
 /usr/local/bin/umount -l /mnt

 which does exactly what you want. :-)

That's definitely cool, but I'd turn down the dd buffer size and 
compensate by increasing the record count. If a buffer of the specified 
size (bs= argument) cannot be allocated by dd, it will fail. (It's not 
going to affect the speed unless the buffer size is ridiculously small, 
since the whole thing is utterly I/O-bound.) Given that no swap is 
available at the time, asking for a gigabyte would mean that many 
users' systems would not be able to accommodate this request.

Speaking of failure, you might want to replace the semicolons with 
double ampersands, so the later commands only execute if the earlier 
ones succeed.

By the way, why attempt to unmount /mnt? Since there's now an open file 
there, is it not guaranteed to fail?


 ...

 Steffen


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...

2007-05-21 Thread Steffen Winterfeldt
On Mon, 21 May 2007, M9. wrote:

 We see that the suggestion to create a serious partitioner, like PQ
 Partition Magic was not so bad at all.
 I constantly run into problems, because it is much too difficult too
 change the sizes of existing partitions.
 
 Now, one has too back-up his/her home, throw away all partitions, and
 start all over again.
 
 And in the low ram case, one is not even capable to reach the partioner,
 which is off course not very sane..
 
 More logic would be: Load the files nessesary to create what is needed
 first, (the room for the system, and i am still convinced, that there
 are seperate partitions needed, for: /boot,/,/opt,/usr,/var, (and evt
 /tmp), swap, and /home.) and then, one should be able to change sizes,
 without having to delete /home.
 
 It must be possible to reduce the size of /home, if more room for fi:
 /boot, /usr, and/or /var is needed.
 
 I realy mean that it is totaly anoying, not being able to change your
 available room, without spending hours to back-up the data you want to
 save..

IIRC there was a project once (long past) for a standalone-partitioner
(based on parted, if I'm not mistaken).

My personal opinion is that a really good partitioner is one of those
projects that will never be done for linux.

 I hope it is not too late for 10.3 final, to change this, but this hope
 might be in vane...
 
 I simply can not understand that nobody else finds this nessesary.

Actually, I don't partition my drives that much. Like, apparently, most
users. ;-)


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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

2007-05-21 Thread Steffen Winterfeldt
On Mon, 21 May 2007, Randall R Schulz wrote:

 On Monday 21 May 2007 08:37, Steffen Winterfeldt wrote:
  ...
 
  Really cool users can show their advancedness by booting with (for
  example):
 
  insmod=vfat exec=mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/foo
  bs=1G count=1 ; mkswap /mnt/foo ; swapon /mnt/foo ;
  /usr/local/bin/umount -l /mnt
 
  which does exactly what you want. :-)
 
 That's definitely cool, but I'd turn down the dd buffer size and 
 compensate by increasing the record count. If a buffer of the specified 
 size (bs= argument) cannot be allocated by dd, it will fail. (It's not 
 going to affect the speed unless the buffer size is ridiculously small, 
 since the whole thing is utterly I/O-bound.) Given that no swap is 
 available at the time, asking for a gigabyte would mean that many 
 users' systems would not be able to accommodate this request.

Granted. 'bs=1M count=1024' would be better.

 Speaking of failure, you might want to replace the semicolons with 
 double ampersands, so the later commands only execute if the earlier 
 ones succeed.

Bah! My commmands never fail. :-)

 By the way, why attempt to unmount /mnt? Since there's now an open file 
 there, is it not guaranteed to fail?

You need to get rid of it, because (a) yast uses /mnt and (b) yast might
want to mount the partition itself. umount will not fail as '-l' makes a
'lazy' umount (unmounts no matter what).


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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation

2007-05-21 Thread Steffen Winterfeldt
On Mon, 21 May 2007, M9. wrote:

 Steffen Winterfeldt schreef:
  
  That sounds rather like bug. Please consider a bugreport.
  
  
  Steffen
 
 Well, i never encountered this before, but i never installed 10.2 on
 'small' machines before...
 
 10.0 did install without running out of RAMspace..

I really wonder how we did that. :-/

 But if it is possible to give Yast the ability to create a swap
 partition, this would be logical. (since it is needing this huge amount
 of space...)

The swap-file suggestion sounds not bad. But the tricky part is of course to
track the partition as unchangeable.


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...

2007-05-21 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* M9. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-21-07 14:07]:
 Beagle is a disaster, which keeps creating unreadable files, that no
 one will ever use again. Beagle is the example of the
 'cluttermachine'.. in my vieuw..

No, it *is* handy, even if you have order.  You must have an older
version which had problems or you have mis-configured somehow.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Using Instlux: issues setting up SUSE from Windows

2007-05-21 Thread Alexey Eremenko

I would like to go even further and feature-request openSUSE setup on
NTFS entirely ! ! !

Is it possible to achieve ?
-NTFS capabilities: I don't know for sure, but it looks like NTFS-3g
has enough POSIX compatibility to make it possible to install openSUSE
on ntfs-3g partition entirely.
That is - mount / partition on NTFS, as well as swap-on-NTFS.

-How to install ?
I have theoretical alternative: use RPM for Cygwin to just install
openSUSE distro on local Windows folder, without rebooting and going
through Yast-setup.

Some easy setup could be built very quickly for Windows (using InnoSetup)

Then we will need just to reboot into openSUSE to start the new system !

-What this will require from openSUSE?
probably integrating ntfs-3g into the ditrso, plus building initrd
with ntfs-3g, so that the kernel can mount the / partition.

What do you think about it?

Please help me push ntfs-3g into openSUSE !
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=247750

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Re: [opensuse-factory] SaX2 source

2007-05-21 Thread Manfred Tremmel
Am Montag, 21. Mai 2007 19:02 schrieb Rafał Miłecki:
 2007/5/21, Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  http://www.google.com/search?q=sax2+x11

 Thanks, that was so easy. I did not think about typing x11.

 One more question: is there some way to avoid problems cause by lack
 of XFree86 devel libs? When typing make I get:

 parse.c:21:24: error: xf86Parser.h: No such file or directory

When you want to compile software, you should know pin. Just typ pin 
xf86Parser.h and let the computer search for the package.


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Using Instlux: issues setting up SUSE from Windows

2007-05-21 Thread Alexey Eremenko

This page indicates that it is indeed possible to run Linux OS on NTFS
partition:
http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#rootfs

Having Linux on NTFS can bring us to serious revolution across Windows
users ! A real revolution in how Windows users *think* about openSUSE
!

But we have to make it simple for the Windows crowd to install
openSUSE on the same NTFS partition as Windows. (such as C:\)

This means either enhance our current Basic Setup Routine and
Yast-setup to handle those new requirements easily, or we need to
write completely new (Windows-based) setup for openSUSE distro. Plus,
We can go both directions at once. :)

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...

2007-05-21 Thread Hans Witvliet
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 17:25 +0200, M9. wrote:

 We see that the suggestion to create a serious partitioner, like PQ
 Partition Magic was not so bad at all.
 I constantly run into problems, because it is much too difficult too
 change the sizes of existing partitions.

I would suggest using LVM!

 Now, one has too back-up his/her home, throw away all partitions, and
 start all over again.

What's wrong with that?
 More logic would be: Load the files nessesary to create what is needed
 first, (the room for the system, and i am still convinced, that there
 are seperate partitions needed, for: /boot,/,/opt,/usr,/var, (and evt
 /tmp), swap, and /home.) and then, one should be able to change sizes,
 without having to delete /home.

The systems i have to manage, have seperate /boot (normally not mounted)
/usr and /opt (both mounted RO),
seperate /tmp, /var, /var/log, /srv, /tmp and /home.
 It must be possible to reduce the size of /home, if more room for fi:
 /boot, /usr, and/or /var is needed.
Create them at minimum, and resize them when needed
 
 I realy mean that it is totaly anoying, not being able to change your
 available room, without spending hours to back-up the data you want to
 save..

As said, use LVM

with lvm+reiser you can enlarge them on-the-fly, but have to unmount
them for shrinking

 I simply can not understand that nobody else finds this nessesary.
(Some people only create root-partition and root-user ;-()
 
 
 Have a nice day,
 
Same to you,
Final remark, for small partitions (100MB) use ext3, not reiserfs
And for those that never change (usr, opt) journaling is not needed.

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[opensuse-factory] VJ decompression error

2007-05-21 Thread Juan Erbes

After a problems with my ISP (Timofonica), I must to go back to my old
56k sporster Robotics and my older ISP (in the absense of adsl), but I
has frequently disconnections problems with it.
The dmesg result is:

SFW2-INext-DROP-DEFLT-INV IN=modem0 OUT= MAC= SRC=62.189.244.228
DST=200.45.208.50 LEN=457 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=52 ID=13266 DF
PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=27556 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 ACK PSH FIN URGP=0
OPT (0101080A6A887173000C7C18)
PPP: VJ decompression error
PPP: VJ decompression error
SFW2-INext-DROP-DEFLT IN=modem0 OUT= MAC= SRC=221.208.208.86
DST=200.45.208.50 LEN=486 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=49 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP
SPT=55888 DPT=1026 LEN=466
PPP: VJ decompression error
PPP: VJ decompression error
PPP: VJ decompression error
PPP: VJ decompression error
PPP: VJ decompression error
PPP: VJ decompression error
PPP: VJ decompression error
PPP: VJ decompression error
PPP: VJ decompression error
SFW2-INext-DROP-DEFLT-INV IN=modem0 OUT= MAC= SRC=62.189.244.228
DST=200.45.208.50 LEN=457 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=52 ID=13931 DF
PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=27556 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 ACK PSH FIN URGP=0
OPT (0101080A6A888A73000C7C18)
SFW2-INext-DROP-DEFLT IN=modem0 OUT= MAC= SRC=221.208.208.96
DST=200.45.208.50 LEN=486 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=49 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP
SPT=47166 DPT=1026 LEN=466
PPP: VJ decompression error
PPP: VJ decompression error
PPP: VJ decompression error

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Re: [opensuse-factory] SUSE Linux Thin client solution

2007-05-21 Thread James Tremblay
On Thursday 05 April 2007 17:47, Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
 Adrian Schröter wrote:
  On Wednesday 04 April 2007 15:23:31 wrote Terje J. Hanssen:
  Novell recently introduced SUSE Linux Enterprise Thin Client Solution
  http://www.novell.com/news/press/novell-introduces-suse-linux-enterprise
 -th in-client-solution/
 
  Does someone here know if this TC solution is based on a netboot SLED10
  image only, or if it also possibly and alternatively can make use of
  the NX clients/server solution for Linux and Windows without the need to
  boot a new OS?
 
  SLED 10 only.
 
  Does possibly openSUSE 10.3 include this TC solution as OSS or non-OSS?
 
  You can create easily a ThinClient image with kiwi. IIRC Marcus has
  also a
  config for ThinClient in it (btw, kiwi is also used for the Novel
  ThinClient
  solution).
 
  If the config does not exist, please ask Marcus to add it.

 Thank you for the information and clarification.

 Rgds
 Terje J. Hanssen

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[opensuse-factory] Installing on SATA HDD with SATA DVD-Burner

2007-05-21 Thread Keith Goggin
Hi list,

I have installed openSUSE 10.3 alpha 4 on a SATA2 HDD using a SATA2 
DVD-Burner. So far so good.

However the mobo has Radeon Xpress 1250 integrated graphics which only runs in 
framebuffer mode on alpha 4.

I would like to exercise the graphics chip in 3D mode but so far there are no 
opensource drivers for the X1250 and the  ATI Proprietary Linux x86_64 
Display Driver 8.36.5 does not yet support X-Org 7.2 found in alpha 4.

Now openSUSE 10.2 GM is pre X-Org 7.2 so the Proprietary Driver would probably 
work there but sadly 10.2 does not support SATA HDDs and SATA Burners :-(

Can anyone tell me how to install 10.2 GM with the necessary SATA support? 

Hardware:

ASUS M2A-VM mobo (AMD690G chipset)
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ CPU
Kingston KVR667D2N5K2/2G (2GB DDR2/667 RAM)
320GB Seagate Barracuda Sata2 HDD
Pioneer DVR-212 Sata2 DVD Burner
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Using Instlux: issues setting up SUSE from Windows

2007-05-21 Thread Pascal Bleser
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Alexey Eremenko wrote:
 This page indicates that it is indeed possible to run Linux OS on NTFS
 partition:
 http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#rootfs
 
 Having Linux on NTFS can bring us to serious revolution across Windows
 users ! A real revolution in how Windows users *think* about openSUSE
 !

Oh, really.

 But we have to make it simple for the Windows crowd to install
 openSUSE on the same NTFS partition as Windows. (such as C:\)

we ?
Sure, go ahead, implement a proof-of-concept then come back with !!!.

 This means either enhance our current Basic Setup Routine and
 Yast-setup to handle those new requirements easily, or we need to
 write completely new (Windows-based) setup for openSUSE distro. Plus,
 We can go both directions at once. :)

Go ahead. The source code is available.

PS: opensuse-factory: Discussion about all Alpha, Beta, RC and Factory
versions of openSUSE
http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate#Development_Lists

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[opensuse] ntsc to pal

2007-05-21 Thread Primm
I've read the google articles filled with command line kernel jargon which I 
simply don't understand. 

All I want to do is convert my ntsc DVD's to pal so that I can watch them in 
Spain. Can SuSE 10.2 do that?

TIA

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Re: [opensuse] ntsc to pal

2007-05-21 Thread David SMITH
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:39:42AM +0200, Primm wrote:
 I've read the google articles filled with command line kernel jargon which I 
 simply don't understand. 
 
 All I want to do is convert my ntsc DVD's to pal so that I can watch them in 
 Spain. Can SuSE 10.2 do that?

OK, stupid question first - have you actually tried to play them on a DVD
player in Spain?  Most TVs nowadays take both NTSC and PAL.  Your main
problem is likely to be region coding rather than NTSC vs PAL.  Get
yourself a multiregion DVD player in Spain, and you'll probably be fine.

HTH...

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Re: [opensuse] FW: IPTABLES

2007-05-21 Thread Jerome R. Westrick
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 19:35, Tage Danielsen wrote:

 If I can use Jerrys suggest i like to try this, but it have to bee easy
 for the windows users to use rdp.

 Next what do I have to do?

 Regards Tage


Yes, it can be setup to be easy to use. but does require that the 
user do one additional step:
Step 1) Double Click Tunnels Icon, enter username/password
Step 2) Double click one (or more) RDP session Icons.


I would start by testing it yourself. Once you get the feel for it and have 
set up the configurations Icons ect. you can install putty on the other 
windows machines and pass it out to your clients.
Basically, all you have to do is to open the ssh port on the SUSE Firewall,
(check that ssh is started, I think that is default in SUSE)
Install putty and configure a tunnel...
Hmmm, I've done documentation for this once upon a time, let me look... 
See if the following document helps:
   http://home.intergga.ch/Westrick/Using SSH tunnels from M$ Windows.pdf
it uses VNC as example (instead of RDP as you are trying to Use)

I change the SUSE SSH Configuration as follows:

1- Create User Group to control access
     - Create Group remotesh,
     - Add users that are allowed remote access to the group.

2- In file /etc/ssh/sshd_config add the following lines:
    - AllowGroups remotesh
    - GatewayPorts yes
    - X11DisplayOffset 50
    - X11Forwarding yes

3- In file /etc/ssh/ssh_config Add lines:
    - ForwardAgent yes
    - ForwardX11 yes

Addtionally, I change the port of the ssh server so as to avoid 
the Password attack currently infetcting the internet.

Granting / Revoking remote acces on a user basis
can now be controlled via YAST;  by adding removing specific 
users from the remotesh group!


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[opensuse] OpenSUSE 10.2 install from USB stick

2007-05-21 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
I want to install OpenSUSE 10.2 only from a USB stick. I see info in the
OpenSUSE site about doing an install from a USB stick, getting all the
packages over the network. I want to get all from the USB stick. Is
there any reason I could not 'simply':

Copy the OpenSUSE install DVD to a USB stick.

Run syslinux to make the stick bootable

Boot/install from the stick.

I would imagine an autoyast.xml file could be placed in the root of the
USB stick as well.

Any known problems with this approach? Any obvious step I have missed?


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Re: [opensuse] Eudora in Wine

2007-05-21 Thread Russell Jones

Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
I am running the 64 bit OpenSUSE v10.2 and have installed Eudora 
running in wine.  Eudora works well in this environment, with the 
exception that when I attempt to import something, e.g., addresses or 
mail directories I get an unhand led exception error message and 
Eudora closes.


I was wondering if anyone has managed to get Eudora to work in wine 
and has been able to import files?  I realize that Eudora is going 
open source, but who knows when that will be available!


Any hep will be appreciated.
Have a look at the app db on www.winehq.org . You may find some tips, 
and you can report your experiences there too.


http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=62
http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=646 (this is a duplicate AFAICT)

I'm afraid I'm not at all hep.
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Re: [opensuse] ntsc to pal

2007-05-21 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Monday 2007-05-21 at 10:39 +0200, Primm wrote:

 All I want to do is convert my ntsc DVD's to pal so that I can watch them in 
 Spain. Can SuSE 10.2 do that?

AFAIK, DVD media are neither NTSC nor PAL.

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Re: [opensuse] ntsc to pal

2007-05-21 Thread Primm
On Monday 21 May 2007 11:03, David SMITH wrote:
 On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:39:42AM +0200, Primm wrote:
  I've read the google articles filled with command line kernel jargon
  which I simply don't understand.
 
  All I want to do is convert my ntsc DVD's to pal so that I can watch them
  in Spain. Can SuSE 10.2 do that?

 OK, stupid question first - have you actually tried to play them on a DVD
 player in Spain?  Most TVs nowadays take both NTSC and PAL.  Your main
 problem is likely to be region coding rather than NTSC vs PAL.  Get
 yourself a multiregion DVD player in Spain, and you'll probably be fine.

 HTH...

Hi. Yeah of course. Tried to play it but no go. I just thought that somehow 
SuSE would let me play the ntsc DVD's on my PC. Region coding is another new 
to me too. I can see the dvd as vob, bup and ifo files. The vob seems to be 
mpeg but mplayer gives me 'Seek failed'. Maybe it's not possible under SuSE.

Meanwhile I shall visit my local electodomseticos (shops where they sell 
video, fridges and televisions?) store and go to buy yet another dvd player!

Thanks for your advice.

Lynn
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Re: [opensuse] RE: Have you experienced a general sligish DNS resolution - OT - Just slightly

2007-05-21 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Monday 2007-05-21 at 12:06 +1000, Registration Account wrote:

 Thanks for your comment. I understand I can trust a cached DNS server to
 just do what is can do without defining zones, however in this case I
 don't want to let it do what it wants to - if I did it would probably
 just ask my ISP DNS servers first and then other local DNS servers.
 
 Why I elected to define external zones is that I wanted a cached answer
 from a source well outside the country - so in some ways I have
 circumvented a situation where a cached answer could come from a local
 source.

You don't need to define any zones to achieve that behaviour.

What you need is playing with the options in /etc/named.conf:

forward first;
forwarders { One_IP; Another_IP; };

with this two lines, the named daemon will ask first those DNSs servers 
you list there - and you choose them local or in the antipodes. Or remove 
those lines and it will always ask the root servers.

But you do not need to define any zone at all.

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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with syslog-ng syntax

2007-05-21 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Sunday 2007-05-20 at 21:44 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

 from /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf on openSUSE 10.1:
 
 # PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE!
 #
 # you can modify /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf.in instead

Yes, but this dissapeared in 10.2.


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Re: [opensuse] ntsc to pal

2007-05-21 Thread Petr Klíma
Carlos E. R. wrote:
 
 The Monday 2007-05-21 at 10:39 +0200, Primm wrote:
 
 All I want to do is convert my ntsc DVD's to pal so that I can watch them in 
 Spain. Can SuSE 10.2 do that?
 
 AFAIK, DVD media are neither NTSC nor PAL.

I'm afraid that there are differences in format. I googled a bit and
found this page:
http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Articles/PALvsNTSC/PALvsNTSC.asp

The problem here is DVD region though. I'm sorry to say that it's
American invention aimed to bother honest people. There is quite a
chance that you won't be able to play the DVD just because of different
DVD region (USA being 1 and Europe 2).

For such tasks I use combination of Wine (sort of Windows runtime
environment in Linux) and DVDShrink (freeware windows tool). On my old
Athlon XP2100+ it takes close to 45minutes to create region-free DVD.

Cheers, Tosuja
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[opensuse] Corrupted audio driver 10.2/64bit?

2007-05-21 Thread John
Hi, Am running Suse 10.2 X64, and up until the other day, working
perfectly (well, almost.) Have had a few issues intermittently with the
audio drivers (onboard, Realtek/Intel/VIA/Azalia HD Audio), with trying
to get some applications to 'share' the sound card, but nothing huge..
until now!
Thought I would be clever (1st mistake!) and see if there were any
drivers specifically for the sound card, so came across
realtek-linux-audiopack-4.05f on the Realtek site
(http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1PNid=24PFid=24Level=4Conn=3DownTypeID=3GetDown=false#High
Definition Audio Codecs)
Installed and since have no sound at all. in KDE if trying to play
sound, either get nothing, or the message xine was unable to initialize
any audio drivers. KMix shows up as empty. Trying to use Yast (it
recognises VIA High Definition Audio Controller - Not configured) to
update drivers gives me : an error occurred during the installation of
VIA High Defintion Audio Controller. The kernel module snd-hda-intel for
sound support could not be loaded. This can be caused by incorrect
module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. After having
done this, running lsmod shows that the module IS actually loaded, but
get the same messages
I REALLY don't want to have to rebuild the OS. Can't find any uninstall
for realtek-linux-audiopack-4.05f?? Have deleted the directory created
and makes no difference. I'm NOT an expert, but know a little I'm
assuming that there is a module loading that shouldn't be... or
something wrong with the loading of a module, but can't figure out where
all of that is done.
Any help appreciated!!

John.
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Re: [opensuse] ntsc to pal

2007-05-21 Thread David SMITH
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:59:03AM +0200, Primm wrote:
 Hi. Yeah of course. Tried to play it but no go. I just thought that somehow 
 SuSE would let me play the ntsc DVD's on my PC. Region coding is another new 
 to me too. I can see the dvd as vob, bup and ifo files. The vob seems to be 
 mpeg but mplayer gives me 'Seek failed'. Maybe it's not possible under SuSE.
 
 Meanwhile I shall visit my local electodomseticos (shops where they sell 
 video, fridges and televisions?) store and go to buy yet another dvd player!

AFAIK, there should be no reason why a PC shouldn't be able to play NTSC
DVDs.  PC DVD drives are, however, region locked.  You can usually change
the region a fixed number of times (e.g. 8), before you then can't change
them at all.  It is possible to download replacement firmware for some PC
DVD drives which overrides this.  However, if anything goes wrong, you
may make your DVD drive completely unusable.  i.e. do it at your own
risk!

If you already have a domestic DVD player, have you tried to see if it
can be region-unlocked?  Some players can be unlocked by entering a
secret code on the handset.  Do a bit of internet searching before going
out and spending more money.

As other people have mentioned, region coding is a scheme mandated by the
large US media corporations to allow them to control the markets, and is,
quite frankly, a royal PITA.

Oh, and given my profession, the above advice and opinions are my own, and
have nothing to do with my employer...

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[opensuse] amarok crashed while restoring manually saved session

2007-05-21 Thread Siegfried Wolkenstein
Hello,

I haven't got a clue why amarok crashes every time it tries to start on kde 
login...

I saved the lots of different sessions, but amarok always crashes during start 
up...

Thanks

 DEBUG INFORMATION  ===
Version:1.4.5
Engine: xine-engine
Build date: Mar 29 2007
CC version: 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux)
KDElibs:3.5.5 release 45 
Qt: 3.3.8
TagLib: 1.4.0
CPU count:  2
NDEBUG: true
 file `which amarokapp` ===
/opt/kde3/bin/amarokapp: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 
(SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.4, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for 
GNU/Linux 2.6.4, not stripped


 (gdb) bt =
Using host libthread_db library /lib64/libthread_db.so.1.
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[New Thread 47795796232896 (LWP 11298)]
0x2b784a8c8c5f in waitpid () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#0  0x2b784a8c8c5f in waitpid () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00405bac in Amarok::Crash::crashHandler ()
#2  signal handler called
#3  0x007f1200 in ?? ()
#4  0x2b784a3eefd5 in operator () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#5  0x2b784d0da6eb in DCOPProcessMessage ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libDCOP.so.4
#6  0x2b784d0e8a53 in KDE_IceProcessMessages ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libDCOP.so.4
#7  0x2b784d0d633b in DCOPClient::callInternal ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libDCOP.so.4
#8  0x2b784d0d6639 in DCOPClient::callInternal ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libDCOP.so.4
#9  0x2b784d0dab78 in DCOPClient::call ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libDCOP.so.4
#10 0x2b784d0daba3 in DCOPClient::call ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libDCOP.so.4
#11 0x2b7849464d42 in DeviceManager::getDeviceStringList ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libamarok.so.0
#12 0x2b78494650a9 in DeviceManager::getDeviceList ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libamarok.so.0
#13 0x2b78494e8a0d in MountPointManager::init ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libamarok.so.0
#14 0x2b78494e8ef7 in MountPointManager::MountPointManager ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libamarok.so.0
#15 0x2b78494e90ec in MountPointManager::instance ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libamarok.so.0
#16 0x2b784951946e in Playlist::Playlist ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libamarok.so.0
#17 0x2b784958a91c in PlaylistWindow::init ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libamarok.so.0
#18 0x2b7849387bbd in App::continueInit ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libamarok.so.0
#19 0x2b7849388452 in App::qt_invoke ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libamarok.so.0
#20 0x2b784a18f57c in QObject::activate_signal ()
   from /usr/lib/qt3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#21 0x2b784a474ce2 in QSignal::signal ()
   from /usr/lib/qt3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#22 0x2b784a1a8005 in QSignal::activate ()
   from /usr/lib/qt3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#23 0x2b784a1ae618 in QSingleShotTimer::event ()
   from /usr/lib/qt3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#24 0x2b784a138405 in QApplication::internalNotify ()
   from /usr/lib/qt3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#25 0x2b784a139037 in QApplication::notify ()
   from /usr/lib/qt3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#26 0x2b7849b7af88 in KApplication::notify ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libkdecore.so.4
#27 0x2b784a12ea4f in QEventLoop::activateTimers ()
   from /usr/lib/qt3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#28 0x2b784a0ee77d in QEventLoop::processEvents ()
   from /usr/lib/qt3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#29 0x2b784a14cfb3 in QEventLoop::enterLoop ()
   from /usr/lib/qt3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#30 0x2b784a14ce62 in QEventLoop::exec ()
   from /usr/lib/qt3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
#31 0x004049cf in main ()
#0  0x2b784a8c8c5f in waitpid () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#1  0x00405bac in Amarok::Crash::crashHandler ()
No symbol table info available.
#2  signal handler called
No symbol table info available.
#3  0x007f1200 in ?? ()
No symbol table info available.
#4  0x2b784a3eefd5 in operator () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3
No symbol table info available.
#5  0x2b784d0da6eb in DCOPProcessMessage ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libDCOP.so.4
No symbol table info available.
#6  0x2b784d0e8a53 in KDE_IceProcessMessages ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libDCOP.so.4
No symbol table info available.
#7  0x2b784d0d633b in DCOPClient::callInternal ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libDCOP.so.4
No symbol table info available.
#8  0x2b784d0d6639 in DCOPClient::callInternal ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libDCOP.so.4
No symbol table info available.
#9  0x2b784d0dab78 in DCOPClient::call ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libDCOP.so.4
No symbol table info available.
#10 0x2b784d0daba3 in DCOPClient::call ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libDCOP.so.4
No symbol table info available.
#11 0x2b7849464d42 in DeviceManager::getDeviceStringList ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libamarok.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#12 0x2b78494650a9 in DeviceManager::getDeviceList ()
   from /opt/kde3/lib64/libamarok.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#13 0x2b78494e8a0d in 

Re: [opensuse] cmd kdesu yast2: Su returned with an error

2007-05-21 Thread Siegfried Wolkenstein
Hey there,

thanks a lot. That was the reason... 
The file kdesurc wasn't there at all. 

On Monday 21 May 2007 07:44:54 Benji Weber wrote:
 On 20/05/07, Siegfried Wolkenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I get the error message Su returned with an error when I try to execute
  kdesu yast2 in an xterm (bash).

 Could be this problem again:

 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-amd64/2007-03/msg2.html

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Re: [opensuse] ntsc to pal

2007-05-21 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Monday 2007-05-21 at 12:15 +0200, Petr Klíma wrote:

  AFAIK, DVD media are neither NTSC nor PAL.
 
 I'm afraid that there are differences in format. I googled a bit and
 found this page:
 http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Articles/PALvsNTSC/PALvsNTSC.asp

Ah, I see.

|The first thing I need to clarify about DVD is that PAL and NTSC are 
| words and formats that are applied to DVD for convenience, and because 
| of historical convention. There is nothing fundamental about a DVD 
| which makes it either PAL or NTSC, but for simplicity and brevity, I 
| will continue to use these terms throughout this article.

It is the pixel numbers, and perhaps frame rate; not the real NTSC or PAL 
formats, but similar.


Anyway, NTSC or PAL should not make any difference paying in Linux. A 
stand alone player might be another matter.

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Re: [opensuse] ntsc to pal

2007-05-21 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Monday 2007-05-21 at 11:34 +0100, David SMITH wrote:

 AFAIK, there should be no reason why a PC shouldn't be able to play NTSC
 DVDs.  PC DVD drives are, however, region locked.  You can usually change
 the region a fixed number of times (e.g. 8), before you then can't change
 them at all.  It is possible to download replacement firmware for some PC
 DVD drives which overrides this.  However, if anything goes wrong, you
 may make your DVD drive completely unusable.  i.e. do it at your own
 risk!

However, region enconding is ignored by linux players; the reason is that 
they have to break the encryption anyway using the libdvdcss library. 
Once broken, why should they care about one more impediment?

Now, Primm, have you installed libdvdcss? Without it, any linux player 
will fail. Plus, you can not use the players that come with the distro: 
either compile them yourself, or use those repackaged by some one like 
packman (try xine or mplayer).

Also, don't try to play the vob files directly, that doesn't work.

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   Carlos E. R.

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[opensuse] X hangs, when konqueror tries to open some https-urls...

2007-05-21 Thread Siegfried Wolkenstein
Hello,

When I try to open this link 
(https://www.sparkasse.it/public/ddw.aspx?n=1431l=3ly=10h=s=1id=cd=1)
in konqueror, X crashes sometimes - X doesn't respond to any usercommands but 
[ctrl-alt-backspace].

What can I do about this?

This bug lurks around since SuSE 8.0. I just never felt like telling 
anyone :-). It is no big deal to me, since I use firefox instead (just for 
this link and some other ssl-pages...

The same thing happens, when I do this:
I have a hotmail account and use Kopete's msn chat service. Kopete is also 
capable of telling when new mails arrived. Also on every log in it propagates 
unread mails in your hotmail mailbox. Clicking on open unread mails 
or open new mails results in the bug described above - X simple hangs and 
denies the service.

Sometimes also kded uses up all the cpu time (this might be some other problem 
not related to this, though)

Thanks very much! Any other folks bothered by this bug?

PS: About software-versions and so on: I always use the latest stable version 
of openSuSE and the packages provided by the buildservice.
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Re: [opensuse] ntsc to pal

2007-05-21 Thread David SMITH
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 01:08:15PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
 However, region enconding is ignored by linux players; the reason is that 
 they have to break the encryption anyway using the libdvdcss library. 
 Once broken, why should they care about one more impediment?

I assumed that Linux DVD players were still bound by the region encoding
on the drive, but ICBW; I don't bother playing DVDs on my PC as I've got a
proper DVD player downstairs.

Of course, the next question for the OP is - Can you play PAL (region 2)
DVDs on your PC?  Is it just the NTSC ones that you can't play, or is
it all commercial DVDs?

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Re: [opensuse] ntsc to pal

2007-05-21 Thread Carlos E. R.
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The Monday 2007-05-21 at 12:29 +0100, David SMITH wrote:

 On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 01:08:15PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
  However, region enconding is ignored by linux players; the reason is that 
  they have to break the encryption anyway using the libdvdcss library. 
  Once broken, why should they care about one more impediment?
 
 I assumed that Linux DVD players were still bound by the region encoding
 on the drive, but ICBW; I don't bother playing DVDs on my PC as I've got a
 proper DVD player downstairs.

My case is the reverse, but the number of DVDs I own is less than my 
fingers (in one hand), so I have little justification to buy a unit, even 
if they are cheap. There is almost no room near the TV set...


I have heard of region issues, but I'm not clear on it. The dvd readers 
are installed without region code selected. If used on windows, the 
software will activate one region, but not in Linux. If you only use it in 
Linux no region is selected at all and it works. However, it has been said 
that once a region is selected, it will refuse to play dvds from other 
regions, in linux - this I can not verify nor certify. It's just a 
posibility, but I don't think it is true.


 Of course, the next question for the OP is - Can you play PAL (region 2)
 DVDs on your PC?  Is it just the NTSC ones that you can't play, or is
 it all commercial DVDs?

That's a good question. :-)

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Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

2007-05-21 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Sun, 2007-05-20 at 20:21 -0700, Carl Spitzer wrote:
 On Sat, 2007-05-12 at 22:38 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Sat 12 May 2007 22:18, James Knott wrote:
   Also, anyone  who's used audio cassettes for data storage can tell you 
  about failures!   ;-)
  
  TRS-80 days . . .  probs with wobbly plugs!
 
 TRS 80-4p yeah those where sturdy little machines attached KB, no HD
 unless you wanted to buy one the size of a turntable which cost $500.
 I still have a disk notch-er for making use of dual sided single density
 5.25 floppies.  I donated it many years ago and its probably in a
 museum.  Came standard with green or black screen and two floppy drives.
 I can not remember trashing any disks except when someone set a drink on
 one.
 
 Nice to meet another old timer.
 

Ah... nostalgia. Atari 800  1200, no HD and TV as monitor. Also
Commodore Amiga (A500). Still have all three but haven't fired them up
in a while.

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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video

2007-05-21 Thread Jim Flanagan
M Harris wrote:
 On Sunday 20 May 2007 23:01, Jim Flanagan wrote:
   
 In KDEconfigure
 desktopscreensaver, I get the message:
The specified library screensaver could not be found.
The diagnosis is:
/usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce
 
   I'm sorry Jim, I missunderstood you... thought you couldn't get the X 
 configured correctly.  Just to make sure we're on the same page... does you X 
 setup work... in other words, do you get a desktop ?  

   So, the problem is the screensaver?  Does   xscreensaver work?  

   Just remove and reinstall the following packages:

   kdeartwork3-kscreensaver
   kdeartwork3-xscreensaver
   xscreensaver

   If this does not work, just to be clean about it, remove kde and 
 reinstall 
 kde.




   
Sorry for not being clear. I DO get a desktop. But there are a few
things broken with my setup. One is screensaver as mentioned. Another is
glxgears, it won't run, returning the same error that screensaver does, 

/usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce. This is what lead me to 
beleive that x is not configured properly, but it may be something else. Not 
sure what exactly the problem is. Another problem is clicking in My Computer 
returns an i/o error. 

I tried uninstalling the screensavers, but that did not help. I'll try 
uninstalling KDE and see if that fixes the problem. 

Thanks,

Jim Flanagan
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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video

2007-05-21 Thread BandiPat
On Monday 21 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
 I had already tried running sax2 with the -r and -m and 0=radeon.
 Just now I tried again, but first renaming xorg.conf. This did write
 a new xorg.conf file, but nothing is improved. In KDEconfigure
 desktopscreensaver, I get the message:
    The specified library screensaver could not be found.
    The diagnosis is:
    /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce

    Possible reasons:
       - An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an
 orphaned control module
       - You have old third party modules lying around.

    Check these points carefully and try to remove the module
 mentioned in the error message.
    If this fails, consider contacting your distributor or packager.

 Not sure that this is about, but has been a problem since I
 uninstalled the ATI rpm. Screensaver was working fine before I tried
 the ATI driver.

 Jim F

===

Ok, it sounds like you did not turn on 3D while in sax2 then.  It's 
possible that your screensavers are zonked, but more than likely, I 
would guess that you failed to accomplish everything while in sax2.  If 
you do glxinfo from the shell, do you see direct rendering = yes 
there?  If it's no then guess what?  Yep, 3d is not turned on and you 
need to go back into sax2 to take care of that.  I'm guessing you are 
trying to run a 3D screensaver when you get the error?

Lee
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Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

2007-05-21 Thread Kevin Thorpe



Came standard with green or black screen and two floppy drives.
I can not remember trashing any disks except when someone set a drink on
one.

8 inch floppies were the business. I had an 8 inch floppy drive and a 
7.5 inch letterbox. Work the creases out and they still read. This on a 
Research Machines 380Z which ran MP/M as a network server - in 48k! 
Sadly my watch is more powerful now, not to mention my mobile phone.





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Re: [opensuse] OpenOffice.org 2.2

2007-05-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 2007-05-20 at 18:53 -0400, James Knott wrote:

 
  http://software.opensuse.org/download/OpenOffice.org/
 
  -JP

 I just downloaded the latest 64 bit and noticed the splash screen is now


Just what I needed, Thanx, I had the i586 version on last week; Writer
often freezes the whole KDE on the x86_64 system.

:-)
Al

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Re: [opensuse] RE: Siutable File Systems

2007-05-21 Thread jdd

Kevin Thorpe wrote:



Came standard with green or black screen and two floppy drives.
I can not remember trashing any disks except when someone set a drink on
one.


8 inch floppies were the business.


I had on CP/M machine. Had to umount them to don't lose data (and no 
other drive :-) this made me very cautious when beginning the use of 
Linux :-))


I remember I got 64Kb 5 floppies, I couldn't understand they could 
fill so much data is so tiny drive :-))


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[opensuse] Re: Suse + NFS Client

2007-05-21 Thread Joachim Schrod

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a problem using NFS with SLES 9. I can access our NAS server
and mount the share. It's used for maildir and pub directories of the
users. Everything works and the data are readable and writable.
But I can't lock the files and therefore no quotas are available.

The kernel shows the following error:

May 14 14:23:38 vrwtb2 kernel: lockd/statd: failed to create /var/lib/
nfs/sm/nas01: err=-2
May 14 14:23:38 vrwtb2 kernel: lockd: failed to monitor nas01


Did you try to force NFSv3 (mount option nfsvers).
I encountered several problems with NFSv4 between Linux and 
Solaris, some of them in the locking area. Forcing Linux and 
Solaris to use v3 made it work again; maybe there's a similar issue 
at your situation.


Joachim

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Re: [opensuse] [OT] Now this gives Playing with your pingus a whole new meaning

2007-05-21 Thread Brad Bourn
There is a hellova lot more complaints about how people post than offending 
posts..

Get over it.


B-)

On Sunday 20 May 2007 5:49 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 * Pueblo Native [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-20-07 16:50]:
  Actually, GT Smith, it is more on topic than you think, in that first
  off, I need to check the contents of my klipper before I do a
  cut-copy-paste job.  THIS was the article that I was referring to:
  
  http://cbs4.com/entertainment/local_story_137115622.html
  
  The Arkansas child support story was something completely unrelated
  
  Anyway, I pulled up that story, then started looking through my games,
  just thought it was an odd one (and a slow news day at that matter)
 
 NO, it is still OT and you even advertise the fact in the Subject:
 line.  It belongs in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Why do you insist on bringing offtopic into the opensuse users list?
 
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Re: [opensuse] X hangs, when konqueror tries to open some https-urls...

2007-05-21 Thread John E. Perry
Siegfried Wolkenstein wrote:
 Hello,
 
 When I try to open this link 
 (https://www.sparkasse.it/public/ddw.aspx?n=1431l=3ly=10h=s=1id=cd=1)
 in konqueror, X crashes sometimes - X doesn't respond to any usercommands but 
 [ctrl-alt-backspace].
 
 What can I do about this?
 
 This bug lurks around since SuSE 8.0. I just never felt like telling 
 anyone :-). It is no big deal to me, since I use firefox instead (just for 
 this link and some other ssl-pages...
 

Works fine for me, though, since I don't have an account, I can't go any
farther.

John Perry
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Re: [opensuse] X hangs, when konqueror tries to open some https-urls...

2007-05-21 Thread Siegfried Wolkenstein
On Monday 21 May 2007 16:49:02 John E. Perry wrote:
 Siegfried Wolkenstein wrote:
  Hello,
 
  When I try to open this link
  (https://www.sparkasse.it/public/ddw.aspx?n=1431l=3ly=10h=s=1id=cd=
 1) in konqueror, X crashes sometimes - X doesn't respond to any
  usercommands but [ctrl-alt-backspace].
 
  What can I do about this?
 
  This bug lurks around since SuSE 8.0. I just never felt like telling
  anyone :-). It is no big deal to me, since I use firefox instead (just
  for this link and some other ssl-pages...

 Works fine for me, though, since I don't have an account, I can't go any
 farther.
If it hangs, then it hangs even before I can see the login form.


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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video

2007-05-21 Thread Jim Flanagan

BandiPat wrote:

On Monday 21 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
  

I had already tried running sax2 with the -r and -m and 0=radeon.
Just now I tried again, but first renaming xorg.conf. This did write
a new xorg.conf file, but nothing is improved. In KDEconfigure
desktopscreensaver, I get the message:
   The specified library screensaver could not be found.
   The diagnosis is:
   /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce

   Possible reasons:
  - An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an
orphaned control module
  - You have old third party modules lying around.

   Check these points carefully and try to remove the module
mentioned in the error message.
   If this fails, consider contacting your distributor or packager.

Not sure that this is about, but has been a problem since I
uninstalled the ATI rpm. Screensaver was working fine before I tried
the ATI driver.

Jim F



===

Ok, it sounds like you did not turn on 3D while in sax2 then.  It's 
possible that your screensavers are zonked, but more than likely, I 
would guess that you failed to accomplish everything while in sax2.  If 
you do glxinfo from the shell, do you see direct rendering = yes 
there?  If it's no then guess what?  Yep, 3d is not turned on and you 
need to go back into sax2 to take care of that.  I'm guessing you are 
trying to run a 3D screensaver when you get the error?


  
No, I did not turn on 3D in sax, but the screensaver is not 3D either. 
I'll have to wait until later in the day to work on this again, but I 
did not see how to enable 3D in sax. There is a check box, but it was 
greyed out. Is there another command in sax that will enable this?


Many thanks,

Jim F
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Re: [opensuse] Seeking Simple Image Editing Tool for Web Development -- RESOLVED

2007-05-21 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Saturday 19 May 2007 09:58, Randall R Schulz wrote:
 I need to create some textures for a Web interface in PNG (or GIF)
 form that include transparency. ...

 Is there some other package, ... that I can use to quickly create a
 simple stipple pattern with transparency?


I found a Wikipedia article that compares image editing software 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_raster_graphics_editors) 
and it mentions an open-source Java program called JDraw 
(http://jdraw.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=6). JDraw is intended to 
be used for the sort of task I have (creating small bitmaps for Web  
sites edited with simple drawing tools and pixel-by-pixel 
manipulation).

JDraw has its own quirks and limitations, but it seems to be manageable. 
I still have to learn how best to create the kind of image I need (a 
translucent texture that suggests the draggability of a UI element). 
But I've got something now, which is better than nothing--where if you 
did not know the element could be dragged, you'd be unlikely to even 
try to reposition it.


Thanks for the suggestions.


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[opensuse] Simple RPM question

2007-05-21 Thread Jorge Fábregas
Hello guys,

Is there a way to remove a package and ALL its dependencies? For example, I 
installed mplayer and I had to install 9 other packages to satisfy 
dependencies.  If I no longer want mplayer I'll do this:

rpm -q --last

to see the last packages I installed. Ill then do rpm -e with EACH one of 
them.  I noticed that you can only specify one package with the remove 
switch...It will be great If I could rpm -e this,that,the-other-one, blabla 
or something like rpm -e MPlayer --along-dependencies :)  (if and only 
those packages are needed only by MPlayer of course...).

I'm not interested in a shell script. I just would like to know if there's a 
switch I'm missing (I read the man page but found nothing).

Thanks!
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[opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop?

2007-05-21 Thread Kai Ponte
I just got my new HP/Compaq 9440 laptop on Friday. It is pre-loaded  
with Windows Vista, which looks nice...


http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/64

...but is already starting to irritate me. In any case, I want to dual  
boot. I don't suppose I can wipe Vista off of it, since it is a work  
laptop.


I've read that dual-booting under Vista is not as easy as 2k/xp  
because the partitioning is different. Every guide I've read so far  
says to have the Windows installer create a partition to be used later  
for Linux. Well, HP created the partitions for me, so I have little  
choice.


Can I safely (at least reasonably) resize or am I screwed?




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[opensuse] What Novell?

2007-05-21 Thread Kai Ponte

I know this is probably OT to many of you, but I thought you'd appreciate it.

As many of you know I work for LA county, which has 98,000 employees.  
I currently am in charge of computers for one department, with about  
1,100 employees and roughly 800 PCs/60 servers. We are entirely  
Windows based.


One of my buddies works for our retirement association - connected to  
us but separate at the same time. They run GroupWise, Netware and  
several dozen SLED machines. I was talking to him about the situation  
with Novell's marketing this weekend, when he brought up Brainshare.  
Apparently he ended up at a round table discussion with Ron H. where  
Ron started talking about Novell and SUSE marketing. My buddy  
point-blank asked Ron, what Novell?  Essentially no one ever hears  
of SUSE or Novell.


He went on further to describe how pathetic the marketing is compared  
to the onslaught of MS marketing that he and his management must fight  
every day. Ron apparently gave some wimpy reply that they are working  
on it and that marketing should get better. To which my buddy - a CNA  
from the 3.12 days - replied that he'd heard this for over a dozen  
years.


Nice to hear we're at least talking to the Novell management.  :P


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Re: [opensuse] Simple RPM question

2007-05-21 Thread Pueblo Native
Jorge Fábregas wrote:
 Hello guys,

 Is there a way to remove a package and ALL its dependencies? For example, I 
 installed mplayer and I had to install 9 other packages to satisfy 
 dependencies.  If I no longer want mplayer I'll do this:

 rpm -q --last

 to see the last packages I installed. Ill then do rpm -e with EACH one of 
 them.  I noticed that you can only specify one package with the remove 
 switch...It will be great If I could rpm -e this,that,the-other-one, blabla 
 or something like rpm -e MPlayer --along-dependencies :)  (if and only 
 those packages are needed only by MPlayer of course...).


   

And therein lies the catch.  To do what you would suggest you would have
to have to recode rpm to do what you are talking about.  And what's so
bad about a shell script?  I'll grant you, it's not easy, but if I
wanted easy I would have stayed with Microsoft.  On the plus side, you
don't have to wait around for somebody to recode rpm (of course, you
could also attempt that).

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[opensuse] OpenSuse vs MyRealBox again

2007-05-21 Thread Carl Spitzer
Now again its happening I can post to the list from here but not
receive.  Why is the server having these problems.  Just because
Messaging Archetects took over Myrealbox from novell is no reason to
have these issues for now the third time in a year.


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Re: [opensuse] [OT] Now this gives Playing with your pingus a whole new meaning

2007-05-21 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Brad Bourn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-21-07 10:47]:
 There is a hellova lot more complaints about how people post than
 offending posts..

Yes, yours.  You set a fine example, top-posting, full quoting
including sigs *and* bitching about bitching.

 Get over it.

Yes  :^)

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Re: [opensuse] Simple RPM question

2007-05-21 Thread Alexey Eremenko

Let's make it clear: RPM does not resolve dependencies. Not for
install and not for uninstall.

Basically this means, that you should use Yast: it can remove unneeded
dependencies, yes.

RPM is low-level package manager.
Yast is hi-level package manager.

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse vs MyRealBox again

2007-05-21 Thread Alexey Eremenko

On 5/21/07, Carl Spitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Now again its happening I can post to the list from here but not
receive.  Why is the server having these problems.  Just because
Messaging Archetects took over Myrealbox from novell is no reason to
have these issues for now the third time in a year.



It worst case scenario I can give you a GMail invitaion. It is  a very
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Re: [opensuse] [OT] Now this gives Playing with your pingus a whole new meaning

2007-05-21 Thread Brad Bourn
LET ME GIVE YOU THE ALL CAPS ONE THEN, FOR MORE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.


B-)


On Monday 21 May 2007 10:10 am, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 * Brad Bourn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-21-07 10:47]:
  There is a hellova lot more complaints about how people post than
  offending posts..
 
 Yes, yours.  You set a fine example, top-posting, full quoting
 including sigs *and* bitching about bitching.
 
  Get over it.
 
 Yes  :^)
 
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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse vs MyRealBox again

2007-05-21 Thread Sunny

On 5/21/07, Alexey Eremenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 5/21/07, Carl Spitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Now again its happening I can post to the list from here but not
 receive.  Why is the server having these problems.  Just because
 Messaging Archetects took over Myrealbox from novell is no reason to
 have these issues for now the third time in a year.


It worst case scenario I can give you a GMail invitaion. It is  a very
powerful email service.

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[opensuse] [OT] Linux in the classroom (K-12)

2007-05-21 Thread Greg Freemyer

All,

I just saw this on another mailing list.  I know there has previously
been a little discussion here about using Linux in a classroom
environment. (K-12 I assume).

Apparently, the below is fairly big deal and if there are any of you
from the Atlanta GA area you may want to volunteer.

===
From: Steve Hargadon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [K12OSN] NECC 2007 Open Source Pavilion - Looking for Volunteers!
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],  Support list for open
source software in schools. [EMAIL PROTECTED]


OK, NECC is coming up (June 25 - 27 in Atlanta), and this is a
combination of a status report and a call for volunteers.

Please forward this email to your Free and Open Source Software friends!

NECC is the National Educational Computing Conference
(center.uoregon.edu/ISTE/NECC2007), and it attracts over 15,000
educators each year.  It's arguable one of the largest (if not the
largest) educational technology shows in the world.  For the last
several years NECC has supported an Open Source Pavilion (apologies
to Richard Stallman) with an Linux thin-client lab for demonstration
purposes.  Last year we added a speaker series, which is now a part of
their main program.  This year we are getting our own large room (!!)
and adjacent hallway space.  Hurrah!

This year's speakers can be seen at our organizing wiki:
http://necc2007.wikispaces.com/Speakers.  There will also be two
Birds of a Feather sessions on FLOSS:
http://necc2007.wikispaces.com/Birds+of+a+Feather.

OK.  Now, about getting help!

We could really use:

1.  Setup volunteers.  We'll set up the lab and computers late
Saturday afternoon / evening (June 23).  Maybe we'll get some pizzas
and make it a party.

2.  Volunteer for milling around Monday through Wednesday (25th - 27th).
The Open Source Pavilion needs folks who'll just answer questions
(mostly really basic) about what FLOSS is.  Come for an hour, or come
for three days.

3.  Playground booths, same three days.  These are 5 - 10 stations
where we'll be
demonstrating different FLOSS programs.  Previously we've showcased
OpenOffice, GIMP, Audacity, Linspire, SchoolTool, Edubuntu, Moodle,
Firefox, and Knoppix.  We're open to just about anything that you'd
like to demonstrate that will give our attendees some good hands-on,
one-on-one demonstrations.  If you can bring your own computer, that
helps, but if you can't just let us know.  We also welcome proposals
from commercial vendors who will commit themselves to also supporting
the FLOSS ideals
and helping out in general.

You can go to the wiki (http://necc2007.wikispaces.com) to sign up to
volunteer or send me and email letting me know what you can do.

Take care,

Steve


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Re: [opensuse] [OT] Linux in the classroom (K-12)

2007-05-21 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Monday 21 May 2007 10:21, Greg Freemyer wrote:
 All,

I suppose the others trying to staunch the flood of off-topic posts on 
this list are getting tired of having to say it and perhaps some think 
there's only a few who care, so I'll chime in this time and say:

If you know it's off-topic and go so far as to mark it as such, then
SEND IT TO THE OFF-TOPIC LIST!

Please!


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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video

2007-05-21 Thread M Harris
On Monday 21 May 2007 10:06, Jim Flanagan wrote:
 There is a check box, but it was
 greyed out. Is there another command in sax that will enable this?
Well, supposedly, the card you are using should allow 3D with the 
out-of-box 
drivers... but my experience is that you need to use the ATI proprietary 
driver to get 3D working, and in that case you don't want to use the 
check-box in yast anyway   on my card the 3D check box was also grayed 
out...  



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Re: [opensuse] Simple RPM question

2007-05-21 Thread Richard Bos
Op Monday 21 May 2007 17:13:57 schreef Jorge Fábregas:
 Is there a way to remove a package and ALL its dependencies? For example, I
 installed mplayer and I had to install 9 other packages to satisfy
 dependencies.  If I no longer want mplayer I'll do this:

 rpm -q --last

 to see the last packages I installed. Ill then do rpm -e with EACH one
 of them.  I noticed that you can only specify one package with the remove
 switch...It will be great If I could rpm -e this,that,the-other-one,
 blabla or something like rpm -e MPlayer --along-dependencies :)  (if and
 only those packages are needed only by MPlayer of course...).

 I'm not interested in a shell script. I just would like to know if there's
 a switch I'm missing (I read the man page but found nothing).

rpmorphan?
Alright here is a webpage ;)
http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/home:/rbos/openSUSE_10.2/repodata/repoview/rpmorphan-0-0.8-2.1.html

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Re: [opensuse] Simple RPM question

2007-05-21 Thread S Glasoe
On Monday May 21 2007 11:12:16 am Alexey Eremenko wrote:
 Let's make it clear: RPM does not resolve dependencies. Not for
 install and not for uninstall.

Correct.

YaST/Smart/Apt/whatever-your-choice-of-package-manager-is all use RPM to check 
and report dependencies that an RPM package requires against the RPM database 
of packages. It is still left up to us humans to resolve any reported 
conflicting or missing dependencies. That's why we get paid the big bucks and 
not RPM.

 Basically this means, that you should use Yast: it can remove unneeded
 dependencies, yes.

YaST/Smart/Apt/whatever-your-choice-of-package-manager-is; Yes, use a 
package manager to inform you of conflicts and allow you to deal with them. 
You can do this maunally on the command line via rpm if GUI is too much 
trouble.

 RPM is low-level package manager.
As low a level as you can go using RPM...

 Yast is hi-level package manager.
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Re: [opensuse] [OT] Now this gives Playing with your pingus a whole new meaning

2007-05-21 Thread Brad Bourn
woot!

last word


naner, naner, naner.


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:^)   you are demonstrating an IQ countable on one hand  :^)
 
 
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Re: [opensuse] Simple RPM question

2007-05-21 Thread Jorge Fábregas
On Monday 21 May 2007 2:44 pm, Richard Bos wrote:
 rpmorphan?

Agh Richard this is great !!! I had NO IDEA this existed.  
THANKS!  That would help in cleaning da'house a little bit !!

All the best,
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Re: [opensuse] Simple RPM question

2007-05-21 Thread Jorge Fábregas
On Monday 21 May 2007 2:48 pm, S Glasoe wrote:
 What was the question? Seems like you know the answers already.?.?

Thanks guys for the comments. I'm 95% sure that I can't do what I want to do 
with rpm. I just wanted to make sure that there in fact ISN'T an option to 
accomplish what I want. 

Jorge

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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop?

2007-05-21 Thread Mike McMullin
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 08:35 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:
 I just got my new HP/Compaq 9440 laptop on Friday. It is pre-loaded  
 with Windows Vista, which looks nice...
 
 http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/64
 
 ...but is already starting to irritate me. In any case, I want to dual  
 boot. I don't suppose I can wipe Vista off of it, since it is a work  
 laptop.
 
 I've read that dual-booting under Vista is not as easy as 2k/xp  
 because the partitioning is different. Every guide I've read so far  
 says to have the Windows installer create a partition to be used later  
 for Linux. Well, HP created the partitions for me, so I have little  
 choice.
 
 Can I safely (at least reasonably) resize or am I screwed?

  I honestly don't know, did it come with the install disks, or has
HP/Compaq created an image that resides in the first (hidden) partition
that you can do a restore from?  I haven't heard anything on M$ tweaking
NTFS, or did they ship Vista with the new(?) WinFS?

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[opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop - Not Solved!

2007-05-21 Thread Kai Ponte
Figuring I would just go for it and install SUSE on my laptop, I  
booted the DVD.  Unfortunately, when I got to the partition menu, I  
got the following choice:


Delete Windows partition /dev/sda1 (85.1 GB). Resize impossible due  
to inconsistent fs. Try checking fs under Windows.


The same went for my 6.4 and 1.5 GB partitions.

I'll have to wait for *nix to catch up with the filesystem.

Maybe I can run VMWare instaead

Darn! I really wanted to play Chromium and Planet Penguin Racer on my  
17 screen...




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[opensuse] Evolution/palm sync woes

2007-05-21 Thread Simon Roberts
Hi all,

I'm trying to get my girlfriend a Linux system, and am making a fool of myself 
:(

She needs to have a working mechanism for syncing her palm device. I proudly 
told her that evolution would do this without difficulty. Hah, bloody wrong :( 
I've been round the houses with 10.2, first it didn't recognize the device, 
then I tried to install new versions, all manner of nonsense. I've tried 
compiling and installing from source, but now I think I'm close.

I finally figured out that the system wasn't doing the patch downloads, so when 
I got that configured properly, I found hundreds of updates, including 
evolution and gnome-pilot updates. Well, next I found that the system would 
recognize the palm, and would sync, but that there were no evolution conduits 
offered. Then I located them in /opt/gnome/share/blahblah/conduits, but worked 
out that the set the system was working with are in /usr/local...blah. So, I 
copied them over.

Now I have been able to select the evolution conduits, but they don't work :( 
If I enable the calendar conduit and hit sync, It shows the top progress bar at 
about 1/8 of the way across, then the bottom one just bounces back and forth 
really fast. Then eventually the palm times out and it's all over.

Any suggestions? Surely this can't be so hard? I must have broken something in 
all my long trials, but how do I reset everything to the out of the box 
configuration (without reinstalling the whole machine!)

Cheers,
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Re: [opensuse] Evolution/palm sync woes

2007-05-21 Thread Kai Ponte

Quoting Simon Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hi all,

I'm trying to get my girlfriend a Linux system, and am making a fool  
 of myself :(


Nah, you're looking like a true geek!




She needs to have a working mechanism for syncing her palm device. I


Good bloody luck!  I've had no end of difficulty trying to  
successfully and consistently sync various palm devices. This goes all  
the way back to me trying with my Palm III under Mandrake 6 in '99.


I'm not sure about gnome but in kde there are various options for  
synching - all which work to some degree of success. Your main issues  
are the user permissions to the usb virtual port that is created for  
palm - which is usually /dev/pilot but symlinks to /TTY/USB/USB1 or  
soemthinglikethat - and the timeouts on the palm device.


What Palm Pilot does she have?

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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop - Not Solved!

2007-05-21 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Mon, 21 May 2007 12:58:12 -0700
Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Figuring I would just go for it and install SUSE on my laptop, I  
 booted the DVD.  Unfortunately, when I got to the partition menu, I  
 got the following choice:
 
 Delete Windows partition /dev/sda1 (85.1 GB). Resize impossible due  
 to inconsistent fs. Try checking fs under Windows.
 
 The same went for my 6.4 and 1.5 GB partitions.
 
 I'll have to wait for *nix to catch up with the filesystem.
 
 Maybe I can run VMWare instaead
I understand that Vista comes with a built-in partitioner. I've also
found that running QTParted from a Knoppix boot tends to work better
than the SuSE or Fedora partitioners. 

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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop - Not Solved!

2007-05-21 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-21-07 16:00]:
 Figuring I would just go for it and install SUSE on my laptop, I  
 booted the DVD.  Unfortunately, when I got to the partition menu, I  
 got the following choice:
 
 Delete Windows partition /dev/sda1 (85.1 GB). Resize impossible due  
 to inconsistent fs. Try checking fs under Windows.

Well, one thing about it.  You will not be messing anything up.  No
loss for windoz to disappear.

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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop - Not Solved!

2007-05-21 Thread Alexey Eremenko

I never tried Vista, but !

Well, there is a complex way:
1. install Win XP
2. install openSUSE
3. upgrade XP to Vista.

This will work for sure.

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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop - Not Solved!

2007-05-21 Thread Alexey Eremenko

If you want sefety through, stick with VMware/VirtualBox/VirtualPC

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[opensuse] Strange behaviour of ACPI on laptop

2007-05-21 Thread torben
I have a laptop with a strange behaviour. If I turn on ACPI when I boot 
the machine, the USB connections do not work (or at least, they work 
very bad. A USB mouse is very very slow).


If I turn off ACPI when I boot the boot the machine, the USB connections 
do work but the wireless card does not work.


I would like to have a setup, where both the wireless network card and 
the USB ports are working at the same time.


I had been looking at  
http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse102/opensuse102_reference/data/sec_pmanage_acpi.html 
but I have my problems to find oout, which module I should include, and 
which I should exclude.


I hope someone know how to help me.

I could imagine some information of the BIOS system would be a great 
help, but I do not know how to get the information for the BIOS. Only 
thing I can see is, the BIOS is based on software from Inside Software CDU.



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Re: [opensuse] Evolution/palm sync woes

2007-05-21 Thread Simon Roberts

- Original Message 
From: Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I'm trying to get my girlfriend a Linux system, and am making a fool  
  of myself :(

Nah, you're looking like a true geek!

 She needs to have a working mechanism for syncing her palm device. I

Good bloody luck!  I've had no end of difficulty trying to  
successfully and consistently sync various palm devices. This goes all  
the way back to me trying with my Palm III under Mandrake 6 in '99.

I'm not sure about gnome but in kde there are various options for  
synching - all which work to some degree of success. Your main issues  
are the user permissions to the usb virtual port that is created for  
palm - which is usually /dev/pilot but symlinks to /TTY/USB/USB1 or  
soemthinglikethat - and the timeouts on the palm device.

What Palm Pilot does she have?



Oh dear! I didn't think it would be that bad (and here's me hoping to get this 
working with a whinedoze mobile device too!)

The devices and permissions seem fine. It will run the core/original set of 
conduits. That is, it does backup etc.  (I don't know where it puts the data, 
but it does the backup and a bunch of the other conduits that are enabled!)

However, it's the evolution-specific conduits that don't work. As I say, 
initially they weren't listed, then I discovered the files that represent them 
were present but in a directory other than where evolution was looking. Then I 
copied the files and they just don't seem to work, but don't give error 
messages.

I'm not at her place right now, but if memory serves, it's a Palm Z1 (cheap and 
cheerful, genuine Palm, about a year or so old, color screen).

Cheers,
Simon

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Re: [opensuse] Evolution/palm sync woes

2007-05-21 Thread Teruel de Campo MD
I have not had any problems to sync the treo 700p (and before 650) with
kpilot. Kpilot offer two choices kaddress and evolution. I use kaddress.
It works very well. I am running suse 10.2

-=terry(Denver)=-

On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 13:26 -0700, Simon Roberts wrote:
 - Original Message 
 From: Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  I'm trying to get my girlfriend a Linux system, and am making a fool  
   of myself :(
 
 Nah, you're looking like a true geek!
 
  She needs to have a working mechanism for syncing her palm device. I
 
 Good bloody luck!  I've had no end of difficulty trying to  
 successfully and consistently sync various palm devices. This goes all  
 the way back to me trying with my Palm III under Mandrake 6 in '99.
 
 I'm not sure about gnome but in kde there are various options for  
 synching - all which work to some degree of success. Your main issues  
 are the user permissions to the usb virtual port that is created for  
 palm - which is usually /dev/pilot but symlinks to /TTY/USB/USB1 or  
 soemthinglikethat - and the timeouts on the palm device.
 
 What Palm Pilot does she have?
 
 
 
 Oh dear! I didn't think it would be that bad (and here's me hoping to get 
 this working with a whinedoze mobile device too!)
 
 The devices and permissions seem fine. It will run the core/original set of 
 conduits. That is, it does backup etc.  (I don't know where it puts the 
 data, but it does the backup and a bunch of the other conduits that are 
 enabled!)
 
 However, it's the evolution-specific conduits that don't work. As I say, 
 initially they weren't listed, then I discovered the files that represent 
 them were present but in a directory other than where evolution was looking. 
 Then I copied the files and they just don't seem to work, but don't give 
 error messages.
 
 I'm not at her place right now, but if memory serves, it's a Palm Z1 (cheap 
 and cheerful, genuine Palm, about a year or so old, color screen).
 
 Cheers,
 Simon
 
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Re: [opensuse] Strange behaviour of ACPI on laptop

2007-05-21 Thread Kai Ponte

Quoting torben [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


I have a laptop with a strange behaviour. If I turn on ACPI when I boot
the machine, the USB connections do not work (or at least, they work
very bad. A USB mouse is very very slow).

If I turn off ACPI when I boot the boot the machine, the USB
connections do work but the wireless card does not work.

I would like to have a setup, where both the wireless network card and
the USB ports are working at the same time.


They should. I've yet to boot 10.2 on a laptop but 9.3  10.0 all work  
fine in this regard.





I had been looking at
http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse102/opensuse102_reference/data/sec_pmanage_acpi.html but I have my problems to find oout, which module I should include, and which I   
should

exclude.

I hope someone know how to help me.

I could imagine some information of the BIOS system would be a great
help, but I do not know how to get the information for the BIOS. Only
thing I can see is, the BIOS is based on software from Inside Software
CDU.


Well, we can probably guess the bios from your laptop model and  
processor. What is the laptop, and what does it say on the screen when  
you open My Computer (KDE) or Computer (GNOME)?



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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop - Not Solved!

2007-05-21 Thread Kai Ponte

Quoting Patrick Shanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


* Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-21-07 16:00]:

Figuring I would just go for it and install SUSE on my laptop, I
booted the DVD.  Unfortunately, when I got to the partition menu, I
got the following choice:

Delete Windows partition /dev/sda1 (85.1 GB). Resize impossible due
to inconsistent fs. Try checking fs under Windows.


Well, one thing about it.  You will not be messing anything up.  No
loss for windoz to disappear.


LOL!

Unfortunately, I probably need it. It IS a work laptop, after all...

Can XEN run Vista?



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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop - Not Solved!

2007-05-21 Thread Kai Ponte

Quoting Jerry Feldman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Mon, 21 May 2007 12:58:12 -0700
Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Figuring I would just go for it and install SUSE on my laptop, I
booted the DVD.  Unfortunately, when I got to the partition menu, I
got the following choice:

Delete Windows partition /dev/sda1 (85.1 GB). Resize impossible due
to inconsistent fs. Try checking fs under Windows.

The same went for my 6.4 and 1.5 GB partitions.

I'll have to wait for *nix to catch up with the filesystem.

Maybe I can run VMWare instaead

I understand that Vista comes with a built-in partitioner. I've also
found that running QTParted from a Knoppix boot tends to work better
than the SuSE or Fedora partitioners.


Ahh, so it does!

The disk management tool now does partition shrinking. I just tried it  
out and was successful.




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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop?

2007-05-21 Thread Kai Ponte

Quoting Mike McMullin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 08:35 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:

I just got my new HP/Compaq 9440 laptop on Friday. It is pre-loaded
with Windows Vista, which looks nice...

http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/64

...but is already starting to irritate me. In any case, I want to dual
boot. I don't suppose I can wipe Vista off of it, since it is a work
laptop.

I've read that dual-booting under Vista is not as easy as 2k/xp
because the partitioning is different. Every guide I've read so far
says to have the Windows installer create a partition to be used later
for Linux. Well, HP created the partitions for me, so I have little
choice.

Can I safely (at least reasonably) resize or am I screwed?


  I honestly don't know, did it come with the install disks, or has
HP/Compaq created an image that resides in the first (hidden) partition
that you can do a restore from?  I haven't heard anything on M$ tweaking
NTFS, or did they ship Vista with the new(?) WinFS?


I have a restore disk that I can use. I don't need to worry too much,  
since I haven't even installed Office or anything beyond Pan and  
Thunderbird.


I wonder if SUSE has fingerprint recognition. I need to check that  
out. The login by swiping concept is cool.


I think I'm gonna go for it.



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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop?

2007-05-21 Thread M Harris
On Monday 21 May 2007 10:35, Kai Ponte wrote:
 I've read that dual-booting under Vista is not as easy as 2k/xp  
 because the partitioning is different. Every guide I've read so far  
 says to have the Windows installer create a partition to be used later  
 for Linux. Well, HP created the partitions for me, so I have little  
 choice.

 Can I safely (at least reasonably) resize or am I screwed?
hi Kai,

You can do this, but the other way around. I assume that your HP came 
with 
either a restore disk or a restore partition?

The technique is to blow the disk away and install openSUSE *first* 
leaving a 
workable partition at the front-end of the drive (appropriate and large 
enough) for you to *restore* vista into when you are done installing 
openSUSE. 

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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop?

2007-05-21 Thread James Knott
M Harris wrote:
 On Monday 21 May 2007 10:35, Kai Ponte wrote:
   
 I've read that dual-booting under Vista is not as easy as 2k/xp  
 because the partitioning is different. Every guide I've read so far  
 says to have the Windows installer create a partition to be used later  
 for Linux. Well, HP created the partitions for me, so I have little  
 choice.

 Can I safely (at least reasonably) resize or am I screwed?
 
   hi Kai,

   You can do this, but the other way around. I assume that your HP came 
 with 
 either a restore disk or a restore partition?

   The technique is to blow the disk away and install openSUSE *first* 
 leaving a 
 workable partition at the front-end of the drive (appropriate and large 
 enough) for you to *restore* vista into when you are done installing 
 openSUSE. 

   

And also create a FAT32 partition, where My Documents can be moved to,
for data interchange between the two systems.


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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop?

2007-05-21 Thread Kai Ponte

Quoting James Knott [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


M Harris wrote:

On Monday 21 May 2007 10:35, Kai Ponte wrote:


I've read that dual-booting under Vista is not as easy as 2k/xp
because the partitioning is different. Every guide I've read so far
says to have the Windows installer create a partition to be used later
for Linux. Well, HP created the partitions for me, so I have little
choice.

Can I safely (at least reasonably) resize or am I screwed?


hi Kai,

You can do this, but the other way around. I assume that your HP came 
with
either a restore disk or a restore partition?

	The technique is to blow the disk away and install openSUSE   
*first* leaving a

workable partition at the front-end of the drive (appropriate and large
enough) for you to *restore* vista into when you are done installing
openSUSE.




And also create a FAT32 partition, where My Documents can be moved to,
for data interchange between the two systems.


Okay, thanks.  I'll give it a go tonight and see what happens.


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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop?

2007-05-21 Thread M Harris
On Monday 21 May 2007 16:32, James Knott wrote:
    The technique is to blow the disk away and install openSUSE *first*
  leaving a workable partition at the front-end of the drive (appropriate
  and large enough) for you to *restore* vista into when you are done
  installing openSUSE.
 
   

 And also create a FAT32 partition, where My Documents can be moved to,
 for data interchange between the two systems.
Yes, yes... and another thing...

... when you restore vista (after installing opensuse) your machine 
will only 
boot into vista... because the grub mbr will be gone... not to worry.

After you restore vista, and make sure it works, then boot into 
opensuse from 
the DVD (like you are going to install) only don't update/install... take the 
*other* install option and from there *repair* the installation.  One of the 
options is to restore the mbr... which will allow opensuse to boot from grub.  
But there is more... once you can boot into opensuse again.

Then you will need to modify the /boot/grub/menu.lst  file so that you 
can 
boot vista from grub.

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Re: [opensuse] Dual Boot Vista on Laptop - Not Solved!

2007-05-21 Thread Robin Knapp

Kai Ponte schrieb:
Figuring I would just go for it and install SUSE on my laptop, I 
booted the DVD.  Unfortunately, when I got to the partition menu, I 
got the following choice:


Delete Windows partition /dev/sda1 (85.1 GB). Resize impossible due 
to inconsistent fs. Try checking fs under Windows.
I guess that you did not shutdown Vista, but have put it in an 
s2disk-like mode. This is default when pressing the switch off button.
In this case, boot into Vista and perform a clean shutdown (iirc there's 
a little arrow next to the pseudo-shutdown button).
If this does'n work, run chkdsk C: /f and reboot (at least this worked 
in XP).



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