Re: [opensuse-factory] Hunspell
Den Thursday 17 January 2008 11:25:10 skrev Kálmán Kéménczy: Are there any plan to make hunspell the system-wide spellcheck tools as Fedora working on it? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureDictionary Sounds like a great project by the Fedora dudes. I'm also somewhat interested in this topic. Still haven't managed to find out what is planned as default spell engine in KDE4 which I consider crucial - for me as a non-expert hunspell seems a non-brainer.. but what do I know.. If this is something that will be acted on, there's a hunspell-optimized dictionary for Danish being developed (very actively). Let me know if you need some help finding and getting the files. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] How to let FF find an installed Java-plugin?
Den Friday 11 January 2008 15:03:15 skrev M9.: Do you have a 32bit firefox installed? (I think you don't... I remember from other threads that you use nspluginwrapper for flash). if you have the 64bit FF, I think there is still no solution for Java yet... The only way would be to change to the 32bit version of FF. but then you have most likely other plugins not working (just in my mind comes vlc-mozillaplugin, which would need to be 32bit too, then you downgrade vlc to 32 bit...) I always suggest for people that really need java INSIDE the browser to go for a complete 32bit installation... less hassle for them. Dominique What about this pkg? jre-6u3-linux-amd64.rpm runtime != browser plugin However you can use 64-bit Konq with 64-bit java without the plugin. Rumour has it that the same goes for the Opera 9.5betas which are available as x86_64. Haven't tested it myself though. Rumour also has it that Fedora have this stuff working well with IcedTea. This theme has been discussed again and again.. and again. Complain to Sun Microsystems! .. or accept that 64-bit is only for servers.. as Adobe, MS and Sun seem to have agreed upon.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] How to let FF find an installed Java-plugin?
Den Friday 11 January 2008 16:55:28 skrev peter nikolic: This theme has been discussed again and again.. and again. Complain to Sun Microsystems! .. or accept that 64-bit is only for servers.. as Adobe, MS and Sun seem to have agreed upon.. E have you tried buying an 32 bit CPU recently ? think you may be in for a shock Most x86_64 CPUs support 32-bit very well you know. Don't all these new shiny 64-bit boxes come with 32-bit MS Vista? That should be an indication of how MS and PC-vendors feel about 64-bit on the desktop. I run 64-bit openSUSE myself on my primary box and have for some time. So I'm not agitating against doing that. I'm just slightly annoyed that people act all surprised and complain when they run into some problems with proprietary software I guess. Don't understand how anyone remotely involved can still be surprised that these issues exist. Maybe I was a bit harsh though, I'll try to keep my bitterness off the list. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] status report distribution week 2
Den Wednesday 09 January 2008 15:41:48 skrev Ladislav Michnovič: 2008/1/9, Stephan Kulow [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - we got a roadmap for openSUSE 11.0 - next milestone alpha 1 happening next week I read the Roadmap at http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap and my humble opinion is that we should have 4 beta releases, not only 3. The point is that many bugs are reported lately and sometimes users start to test higher Beta release (not the first one). And those lately reported bugs are often not really critical so they can't be fixed in RC so they stay unfixed in final release. I know it is probably too late to talk about this for 11.0, but we can observe if my point is correct. I think your point is well established, but increasing the freeze period, while good for stability, brings other problems, like the risk of the release being more outdated. It's a matter of striking the right balance. But maybe it should be considered renaming the last alpha to beta0, just for the psychological effect. Or maybe add a beta between a3 and b1. I note that compared to 10.3 schedule there's an extra week added between rc1 and internal gm, which I think is great. My greatest worry about the roadmap is the flexibility, in case of an early KDE 4.1. If we release with KDE3 as default KDE and KDE 4.0 as an option, Kubuntu, Mandriva and Fedora will probably kick our asses when they all presumably release with production ready KDE4.x as default in the fall, and openSUSE would have a hard time competing until 11.1 in early 2009. I hope openSUSE 11.0 roadmap will not be set in stone until KDE 4.1 schedule is decided. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Update from 10/23/07 broke X-Server
Den Wednesday 24 October 2007 13:07:55 skrev Juergen Orschiedt: At least on X86-64 X-Server dies with Signal 11 after applying the mandantory updates. See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=336266 I have x86_64 with nvidia-blob and xorg-update installed, and I don't have the problem. But there are two independant cases in Danish forum and usenet respectively. At least one is on intel graphics (Intel GM956 apparently), the other is also a laptop - so it's not unllikely he has Intel gfx too. It's a little sad after the amazing 10.3 release, we've managed to break X and Java for a lot people within 3 weeks.. :-( .. updating is starting to get a little scary. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: [opensuse-factory] Update from 10/23/07 broke X-Server
Jürgen mailed me personally with a fix, but I figure it would be good to post it to the list, to possibly help others. == It's solved - thanks Stefan - a problem special to the Intel driver Option monitor-LVDS Monitor[0] was missing in Device section of xorg.conf. cheers, Jürgen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Building rpms as normal user
Den Thursday 27 September 2007 13:09:07 skrev Igor Jagec: What is the easiest way I can (re)build rpm packages as normal user on openSUSE 10.3? Install the srpm .. modify the spec at /usr/src/packages/SPECS/.. Then see man rpmbuild .. or other documentation. But that is off topic here. This is not the support list, this is the dev release-list. Join [EMAIL PROTECTED] or use other support options (irc, fora etc.).. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 10.3 Community Repositories
Den Monday 24 September 2007 12:38:41 skrev Peter Nixon: What is the procedure to get extra repositories added to openSUSE 10.3's Community Repositories module in YaST? In particular I would like to get network:telephony added to the list now that Asterisk has been removed from the core distro. I assume the purpose of the community repos-thingy is to help Joe Sixpack, at least it should be. Personally I think that there are too many, and too risky repos there already. I expect that many, many users will go berserk and add everything in there, thinking just in case or why not? whatever could go wrong, more software must be better than less. If people can run a VoIP-server, they can find a repo and add it manually can't they? Clients are included in the distro. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] 3D KMPs
I was wondering about the status of the 3d-blob kmps. Are some available for testing somewhere? Can they be expected to be ready on release day? High expectations have been built up for 10.3, also outside of SUSE fanboy circles, I think it's important an effort is made to have the KMPs available on release day. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Den Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:53:59 skrev Benji Weber: Java works fine with 64bit konqueror btw. Konqueror doesn't require the sun plugin. People keep saying that. Could you please tell me this: 1) which path do you have set in konq for Java 2) which Sun Java version+arch do you have installed 3) a link to one or more websites with applets working - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Den Wednesday 19 September 2007 13:37:23 skrev Benji Weber: On 19/09/2007, Martin Schlander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Den Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:53:59 skrev Benji Weber: Java works fine with 64bit konqueror btw. Konqueror doesn't require the sun plugin. People keep saying that. Could you please tell me this: 1) which path do you have set in konq for Java The default is fine, or just use /usr/bin/java. 2) which Sun Java version+arch do you have installed java 1.6, x86_64 3) a link to one or more websites with applets working http://chir.ag/stuff/sand/ [warning, addictive] http://benjiweber.co.uk/konq-falling-sand.png Wow, it really does work. With Sun Java 1.6 x86_64 I could get it to work in konq when specifying this path: /usr/lib64/jvm/java-1.6.0.u1-sun-1.6.0.u1/jre/bin/java Checked the Falling sand game linked above and also verified installation on java.com. So this would be a good solution for most. Unfortunately my homebanking issues aren't solved by this. One of my banks crashes Konq when I try to accept their certificate - and the other one claims Konq doesn't support session cookies.. :-( - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Den Tuesday 18 September 2007 10:01:20 skrev Stephan Kulow: Easing the update path in adding conflicts is very fine with me though. This should be reported though. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=325912 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Den Tuesday 18 September 2007 16:27:22 skrev Gregg Nicholas: I reopened [Bug 264228] nspluginwrapper + java plugin problems [Bug 288750] Home bank issues with java+firefox on x86_64 to get a final decision. I know it's really late, but a 64bit system without a working firefox/java combination is a blocker in my eyes. I have to agree with Andreas Vetter. Firefox/java/flash should simply work, without manual intervention, on any gui installation (even x86_64). In my opinion, the decision to go with only OSS solutions - even though they don't work right - is likely to push end-users toward other distributions. As it can be seen from my bugreports that avetter reopened I share the opinion that 32-bit Firefox should be shipped. Especially since software.opensuse.org has no warning about downloading the x86_64 version. However I don't think the decision has anything to do with ideology. When people install x86_64 they don't want 32-bit Firefox - they want to run full 64-bit so they can enjoy all the imaginatory performance improvements. Now we even have 64-bit OOo.. Flash works with nspluginwrapper with 64-bit Firefox - I don't know how many people actually come across java webapplets - personally I only need it for homebanking - but that of course is enough to make me install 32-bit Firefox - which I tested and downgrading ran without incident, except for me having to remove classpath-webplugin - and that issue will be fixed. I think that x86_64 users should expect some bumps here and there - but I also think that this should be noted on s.o.o .. we had that discussion before, but since these events show it's relevance I'm bringing it up again. It should somehow be communicated that x86 is the safest/simplest choice - also with x86_64 hardware. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Den Saturday 15 September 2007 12:32:48 skrev Benji Weber: Francis pointed out to me that classpath-webplugin is installed by default on 10.3. This is a) rather pointless as I don't think it actually supports any applets ( I tried a dozen or so sites with java applets ) b) somewhat dangerous as I don't think I'd trust the security in the classpath webplugin. c) prevents the real sun java plugin from working when installed, until the user removes the classpath webplugin as this gets priority in both firefox and konqueror. Can I suggest - Making the sun plugin conflict with the classpath webplugin. - Preferably don't install the classpath version at all, if you're worried about completely free java go for java 7 it would be more reliable than classpath. I had this problem too. This was on x86_64 however, but I installed 32-bit firefox and sun java-plugin and had problems getting it to work until I figured out that I must manually remove classpath-webplugin. I thought classpath-webplugin was only installed by default on 64-bit installations, but apparently it's also done on 32-bit - it doesn't do much good anywhere - but on 32-bit it's extra problematic. I support Benji's proposed resolutions. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 10.3 Beta3 - YAST reports file size incorrectly when adding software after an install
Den Saturday 08 September 2007 21:09:37 skrev Clayton: I just installed 10.3 Beta3 in VMWare. The install went OK taking defaults only. Post install I started YAST and selected gcc and the kernel-sources. YAST then reported that this install would take +/- 265Gb of diskspace. Of course since there is only 5Gb in / YAST wasn't all that happy. I was able to ignore and complete the install. Anyone else bump into this? https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=308362 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] how to create a bootable CD from the DVD iso?
Den Wednesday 25 July 2007 10:35:59 skrev Per Jessen: The new thing in Alpha6 is that it doesn't come with any CD isos, which is what I need. There's no 5-cd set, but the 1-cds for KDE and also GNOME are available (for x86 + x86_64). http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3-Alpha6/iso/cd/ All additionally needed packages can of course be gotten from the factory repo. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] how to create a bootable CD from the DVD iso?
Den Wednesday 25 July 2007 13:02:24 skrev Per Jessen: and I can boot and start an installation from those? I wasn't aware of that. Yes full KDE or GNOME desktop installation in English only (unless you add the online repo or add-on cd). If you want text-install or minimal window manager install you might be in trouble. I'm not quite sure about the availability of those on the 1-cds. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Gnome icons for YaST in KDE
Den Monday 23 July 2007 10:01:11 skrev Andreas Jaeger: YaST has the Tango icons - this is a feature. If you want the old icons, please use the opensuse-Crystal yast theme, Funny decision, given we now know that those icons will integrate badly for 2/3 users. But at least it's good to have the crystal-theme easily available so you can use YaST without getting depressed. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Martin Schlander] [opensuse-factory] compiz-fusion and 10.3
Den Monday 23 July 2007 12:27:17 skrev Matthias Hopf: What exactly are you refering to with compiz-fusion? The core package or the extras? compiz-fusion AFAIU stands for the community plugins only, and is provided in X11:Xgl in the openSUSE build service as compiz-extra. It should probably be renamed. Yes, I had misunderstood the new stucture. I thought there was only one project now, compiz-fusion - and that David R. was a principle developer of that, who might be able to pull some strings and give us some extra consideration. I realize now this is not how it works at all. One of the reasons I asked is that for 10.2 some Novell projects released with rather unfortunate timing from openSUSE perspective - iirc both Banshee and Mono released new versions very shortly after openSUSE feature-freeze. Personally I don't care about any of those projects, but I care about openSUSE and it seemed silly that there was no coordination. I was hoping we could avoid a repeat. But since the release of compiz + compiz-extra is not under our control at all, I'm just wasting people's time. So all I'm left with is just to express my hopes that we can ship both compiz(-core) _and_ compiz-extra with 10.3. I guess the new settings manager is in -extra... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] java plugin for firefox on x86_64, alpha6
Den Sunday 22 July 2007 20:11:32 skrev Silviu Marin-Caea: Is this supposed to work right now? Or is it still work in progress with the plugin wrapper... At least a very positive thing is that java in Konqueror does work. Hm, didn't try that with konq.. must do. A6 defaults to 32bit Firefox, but x86_64 Java. I have reopened this bug to suggest using i586 java in default installation, so java webapplets will work out of the box. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=264228 I wonder if it might be possible to have both archs of java 5... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] DVD torrents not effective?
Den Friday 20 July 2007 15:49:31 skrev Andreas Vetter: the DVD torrents for Alpha6 are annoying. Do others have the same problem? Is it just me? With Alpha5 it was no problem. Works great for me. However I only got a2 as full DVD. Since then I get the deltadvd (via BT, fast with no problems) apply it, and then seed the full DVD. Right now I seed a6 x86_64 DVD (and 10.2 DVD, and a5-a6 delta). Maybe you should have a look at your local situation. What BT-client do you use? Does it support DHT? Have you configured NAT and SuSEfirewall? It should work ok no matter what, but the above steps will improve performance. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [softwaremgmt] when to refresh?
Den Thursday 19 July 2007 17:51:39 skrev Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett: zypper sa http://foo bar Maybe zypper should ask already at this point: Repository added succesfully. Do you wish to download metadata (xx MB) now ? y/n? zypper search moo zypper install cuack for the search, you need cache, for the cache you need metadata. Should ZYpper exit and tell the user to refresh, or should it ask the user whether to refresh without exiting? Better to ask. In the case of YaST, should it download and refresh when adding the repos in inst_source, or should it do it during startup of the package selector? Could we have it ask Download repository metadata now? after adding repo in yast? Perhaps even with an estimated size of the download. If people select no, then it must do it on startup later. Personally I think it's more natural and intuitive that the metadata is downloaded when the repo is added. But of course most other package managers separate metadata download and repo adding completely. However to me the important thing is not so much when it's done, but mostly that the user gets clear information about what's happening when it's done. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6
Den Thursday 19 July 2007 19:46:16 skrev David Bolt: No mention of the normal CD ISOs, nor the alpha5_alpha6 delta ISOs, being released. Are there plans to create and release the normal CD ISOs? See the transscript of yesterday's status meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Status_Meeting_2007-07-18/transcript#Status_Distribution - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Java 6
Den Saturday 14 July 2007 13:46:30 skrev Glenn Holmer: What are the plans for Java 6 in openSUSE 10.3? Will it be included? Will the user be able to choose between Java 5 and Java 6 at install time? Will there be an easy way to switch between versions once the install is complete? Java 5+6 are both already in the factory non-oss repo. Dunno which will be default but switching will certainly be easy (as easy as adding a repo and removing/installing a package or two). Personally I'm a bit worried about 1.4.2 not even being availabe at all.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] opensuse-updater: Check for any kind updates option?
Den Monday 02 July 2007 22:12:01 skrev Rafał Miłecki: Could some developer focus on this bug before publishing 10.3? It wouldn't be nice to remove ZMD and don't give any alternative wayof watching repositories for updates of _any_ kind (not these securityones only). I think Duncan stated the position pretty clearly in the bugzilla comments (#54). This feature can be consideered. But it is not a priority. We are making the updater more modular so you can plugin backends and behaviour, that feature will come naturally. Personally I think it's a good position. I much prefer the package management devs to work on libzypp performance and the like, rather than a feature that does far more harm than good. .. and with the rewritten libzypp and the cachestore it'll be pretty fast to check. zypper lu -t package or yast sw_single - Package - all packages - update if newer avaialable - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] new change on main page
Den Thursday 21 June 2007 11:54:22 skrev Michael Loeffler: Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise [novell.com/linux] products. No. That sounds like come and work for Novell enterprise products for free. That's not attractive to people. If there should be any mention of SLE it should be in a way that's advantagous to openSUSE like: Novells award winning enterprise products use openSUSE as their codebase. However like jdd I have doubts about the whole deal. Like potential enterprise customers are going to be shopping around on opensuse.org? I'm not sure that too much mention of SLE really does any good - my associations with it are mostly ZMD/10.1-disaster, GNOME, patents and Microsoft.. needless to say those are not particularly pleasant associations. I doubt that promoting SLE on opensuse.org will help anybody - neither sell more SLE nor attract people to openSUSE. But if someone slick with words can phrase it in a way that makes it sound like a seal of quality for openSUSE I'm ok with it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] How do I get my package, peless into opensuse?
Den Tuesday 12 June 2007 14:50:01 skrev Paul Elliott: I want to know how to get my package, peless into opensuse? Build it in the buildservice and request it in the wiki - those are good first steps. http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Wishlist - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-ux] Liberation fonts as default
Den Thursday 14 June 2007 06:02:29 skrev Mohammad Bhuyan: Just installed Liberations Fonts (Red Hat) and changed KDE Desktop fonts to use them. I am not using sub pixel hinting and don't plan to use them due to MS patent over it. Now that there is an open replacement for MS fonts to distribute freely (I assume that is the point of Liberation fonts), I was thinking if the future distributions install them as default fonts in Desktop and apps, then it will look good out of the box. Think this is more a matter for -factory than for -ux. Therefore CC'ing. I also think this is something that needs to be reviewed. If it's not ready to be default it should at least be available on repos. In any case we need an official comment on it, and a good reason not to use it, if we won't, or people will automatically assume it's about politics and RedHat. Perhaps liberation fonts can replace Agfa-fonts.. one less proprietary package to worry about. From what I can tell Liberation Fonts is definitely a project we should support. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-ux] Liberation fonts as default
Den Thursday 14 June 2007 16:40:04 skrev du: You confuse me. Your mail implies the package is not in Factory - which is simply not the case. So it is. http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=liberationdistro=SUSE_Factory Sorry. Everything is great. Looking forward to testing them when I install a5 later today. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] No torrent for the ppc CD delta isos? (was [opensuse-announce] openSUSE 10.3 Alpha5 Released)
Den Thursday 14 June 2007 18:58:30 skrev David Bolt: Is there going be a torrent released for the Alpha4_Alpha5-ppc deltas? So far, as of this posting time, there isn't one on the gwdg.de mirror. Same problem for x86_64. But of course the deltas are available via http/ftp.. but it would be nice to be able to seed it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug Day/s Lets Get it going.
Den Sunday 03 June 2007 01:19:55 skrev Ted Bullock: Why do you believe that waiting until later is a good idea? AJ said he'd like a bugday sometime before feature freeze. So sometime between last alpha and first beta, seems a good idea. Having an earlier bugday too might be doable and would be good practice. This should not be just house cleaning for bugzilla, this should be a real drive to improve the quality of the release by fixing bugs that have persisted for ages. That would mean the devs are aware of them and haven't been able to fix them for ages? Do you mean community people should be able to fix them in an afternoon? If not all we can do is provide info and perhaps alter status of some bugs.. house cleaning. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] New Download Page
Den Thursday 10 May 2007 16:59:59 skrev Frank Sundermeyer: it's been a long time since you have last heard about the openSUSE.org redesigning efforts. Robert and I have been busy with it the last few weeks and we would like to present you the first milestone we have reached: a new and improved download page which will be hosted on download.opensuse.org: http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/download/ We got a lot of feedback from users who were confused by the existing download page, so we decided to use JavaScript to make the page interactive. For users having deactivated JavaScript the old download interface will still be present. It's very nice. I have a few concerns, but I have no good suggestion on how to address them without confusing people. Maybe a button that shows advanced information - or perhaps a link to a different page. - there should be some kind of recommendation to use a download manager for http/ftp. - there should be some kind of explanation about md5sum - I fear the way it looks now people with support for 64bit will feel they must get the 64bit version. Which is likely to cause them a few problems they would not face if they installed the 32bit version. Just something to consider. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] New Download Page
Den Friday 11 May 2007 12:05:03 skrev Martin Schmidkunz: Do we really need md5sums? The medias are checked during installation anyway. Good point about the media check, though everyone skips it. I just think broken isos is quite common. It could be nice to discretely inform people that they can actually check for that - and take some steps to reduce the risk (download manager/bittorrent). Maybe link to troubleshooting section is good enough. - I fear the way it looks now people with support for 64bit will feel they must get the 64bit version. Which is likely to cause them a few problems they would not face if they installed the 32bit version. Like what? Honestly if there are problems running 64bit stuff on a 64bit system then these problems should be reported and we should try to fix them. Little things that are not really fixable by a distributor. - There are more x86-packages. - w32codecs don't work with 64bit players (I believe). Of course you can play almost everything with free codecs these days, but still.. - Java apps such as limewire or azureus tend to cause problems - tarballs compile more often without problems on 32bit I think, - biarch can cause some problems, people must remember to keep 32bit firefox to have working java webplugin. Stuff like that.. Just came up with another idea/suggestion: Could we perhaps recommend a media+method. I think it could be wise to gently push people towards bittorrent DVD download. - reduces risk of broken iso - reduces load on mirrors - no need for add-on cd/manual install of ipw-firmware, java, flash etc. - not many media changes during burning+installation. Of course this requires dvd-burner, good bandwidth and a bittorrent client. But I still think that we should recommend it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Configuring the yast online update
Den Wednesday 09 May 2007 14:05:12 skrev Anil Kalasa: I have to configure a server in our local network for online update, can any one help me how to do that? from the scratch. zypper sa http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/ftp.suse.com/suse/update/10.2/ update (or another mirror) done.. I'm not sure whether updates can be automated these days, if that's what you're looking for.. of course a zypper up -y cronjob could handle most. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: OpenSUSE PuTTY ?
Den Wednesday 09 May 2007 15:55:17 skrev Jonathan Arnold: I don't see kssh anywhere. a quick search on the brilliant webpin http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index.jsp?searchTerm=ksshdistro=openSUSE_102 says it's in the kde community repo. http://software.opensuse.org/download/KDE:/Community/openSUSE_10.2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] KDE vs GNOME default FAQ
Den Saturday 05 May 2007 11:28:34 skrev Francis Giannaros: In general, there's a very clear ignorance out there on the openSUSE case with the desktop environments, so could someone who has the powah add it to the http://en.opensuse.org/Faq ? I think it should go here: http://en.opensuse.org/Users_FAQ Which doesn't require special powers. The other FAQ is more project oriented, whereas the latter is distro oriented. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Java packages changes for 10.3
Den Wednesday 02 May 2007 14:12:16 skrev Daniel Bornkessel: ok, as no further objections but javamail (which will stay) came, I will go forward with dropping the following packages: java-1_4_2-sun* Sorry, wasn't paying attention the first post it seems. I always had a strange problem on AMD64. My home bank would never work with Firefox (32bit), java 1.5+plugin (32bit). With Firefox (32bit) java 1.4.2+plugin (32bit) there were never any problems. On my 32bit system on my laptop Firefox + Java 1.5 always worked nicely however - which is where the strangeness appears. I know many other Danish people have had the problem also. And it's been the exact same issue since 9.3. I'll test java 1.5 (32bit) + Firefox (32bit) again on next alpha - expect a whiney bugreport if I can't get it to work. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Software Updater 10.3 Alpha 2
Damn it. I accidentally answered directly instead of sending to the list, sending here also, so noone will waste time repeating my answer. Den Saturday 28 April 2007 23:55:19 skrev Donn Washburn: As a user (not root or su) on this system with root permissions while using KDE3 the Software Updater showed that there some 1400 updates. Yes! 1400. I called up the updater yesterday and it stated Resolving dependencies Here it is today and it is still trying to Resolving dependencies. It is grayed out with no escape/abandon button. With the mouse pointer over the image I have a running clock. I think kill -9 may be in order Anyone with an idea? That sounds suspiciously like zen-updater, aren't you aware that zmd+friends are being dropped for 10.3? Using and testing them is rather pointless now imho. So my idea is to kill that process, remove all zenworks package management (zmd, zen-updater, rug, libzypp-zmd-backend) as quickly as possible and update using the 10.3 tools instead: * YaST software management (Package - All packages - Update if newer version available) or; * zypper (zypper up -t package) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] YaST meta-package module
Benjamin Weber has been writing about his metapackage project a few times recently but hasn't received much feedback. So I thought I'd try to help promoting it a bit, since I think it has the potential to solve some very common issues, like the never ending debate about multimedia codecs. Of course we won't be able to include the codecs, but with Benjamins project in the distro we could make such things as installing those codecs ridiculously simple. You'll find a package of the metapackage yast2-module here: http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/mp/yast2-mpp-0.0-0.suse102.noarch.rpm I've set up a quick proof of concept web page to show some examples of how this metapackage handling can help users: http://suse.linuxin.dk/ymp The page is optimized for Konq only, which doesn't matter much, as this is just a proof of concept, and currently only konqueror has support for the metapackages in the abovementioned package anyway. Here are some screenshots of what happens when the user clicks a link to a metapackage: http://suse.linuxin.dk/ymp/catalogue.png http://suse.linuxin.dk/ymp/packages.png http://suse.linuxin.dk/ymp/settings.png http://suse.linuxin.dk/ymp/status.png The metapackage (*.ymp) itself is an xml file, with information about repositories and packages to install, the syntax is very self explanatory, try downloading this file and opening it with your favourite text editor: http://suse.linuxin.dk/ymp/kde.ymp The metapackage handler can do much more than what has been described above. It could pontentially also be used to add repos only, without installing any packages. It can be used to install packages instantly when you find them in the package search, also developed by Benjamin. See: http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/index-test.jsp (hint: look for the install now links in search results). I'm sure Benjamin would be happy with any testing and comments. And it would be nice to have some sort of official comment as to whether this is something we have a chance of seing included in the distro. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST meta-package module
Den Friday 27 April 2007 20:34:38 skrev M9.: Maybe i am just stupid, but i certainly do not have the intention to torpedo the work of Benji. But what is the difference with normal Yast installer? I thought that one only had to add the source-url into Yast2, to add the repo(that is the way I allways did it..and still do.) I turn refreshing or use of the url on or off, the way i see fit. My screenshots were a bit antiquated. The newest version has an option to select whether you'd like to keep a certain repo after installing something. (Like the 10.1 packman repo, i only used to install libxine1 W32codecs-all onto 10.2, when the 10.2 packman-repo was not yet available...) Does this module allready have the repo source-urls installed? The repo urls are in the metapackage. Which is the xml-file. This is not very different from normal package management, and it also uses libzypp. The service that it really adds is information: * What's the repo url * How do I add the repo * What packages should I install to achieve something * How do I install packages Take the multimedia example, I think it takes about 5 minutes on average for new users to discover lacking multimedia support, then they want that added instantly. Can't wait to learn about repositories and package management first. The metapackage is kind of comparable to patterns, add-on cds and such, it's a method for making common actions faster and simpler to do. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Locking packages ...
Den Friday 20 April 2007 12:00:25 skrev Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett: On Thursday 19 April 2007 11:33:42 Henne Vogelsang wrote: Is that not the same as we have now? Henne No, now packages from other vendors are locked. Nothing should be locked unless the user locks it. I am just saying the solver should not take a update from a _different_ vendor (different from what you have right now, not != SUSE) in consideration (unless the user explicitly do it) , that does not mean you lock it. For example, right now if you install MPlayer from packman, mplayer gets locked, because vendor != SUSE, and wont be changed even if there is an updated from the same packman! I like this suggestion a lot. Especially if combined with an obvious way of showing that versions from more than one vendor are available - without requiring the user to actively go to Versions to check. Be that an '*', a [+] or whatever. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Locking packages ...
Den Friday 20 April 2007 14:42:42 skrev Henne Vogelsang: I like the suggestion a lot. The user will specifically want to install the packman versions of crippled packages, but won't want build service re-cripped newer versions to override them. This is is such a special usecase that you will only be able to solve this, without user knowledge, if you can mark repos as leading, authorative or whatever. I dont think you can (and should) solve these usecases on a package level. I think this is a quite common usecase actually. Many users will have KDE-backports, Packman and Guru and many packages exist on two out of the three repos. And if you're not paying attention you'll be playing 'ping-pong' as so elegantly put by Duncan. Amarok (most people will want Guru, BS version is crippled wrt. database support I believe) Ktorrent (most people will want Guru, BS-version crippled wrt. DHT) Digikam (most people will want the backported version cuz the packman version causes problems with some libs) K3b (sometimes packman has had development builds, which not all will want) Alsa (if your sounds working nicely why would you want to do a risky upgrade automatically for something like that). To name a few very popular packages where I'm aware of problems (presently or in the past). I wonder, do kde-backports and kde-playground have same vendor? If not this behaviour would also make it possible to have kde-playground enabled for certain packages, without constantly having to be alert as to whether you're updating to something alphaish. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Locking packages ...
Den Friday 20 April 2007 14:24:53 skrev Benji Weber: I like the suggestion a lot. The user will specifically want to install the packman versions of crippled packages, but won't want build service re-cripped newer versions to override them. Also it would help discourage upgrade all mentality which would replace all suse supported packages with the newer unsupported versions on packman when the user doesn't require the newer version. I see and i dont like it. Because that would mean that you never get anything updated from a 3rd party repo because there the vendor will always be != what you have now a.k.a. SUSE after a install User would still be able to request upgrade to a different vendor, but automatic upgrades to different vendor are more likely to cause problems than be useful imo. I agree. But Henne makes a good point too, and I have no doubt that many, many users will be very unhappy if upgrade all-behaviour is made more difficult for them - even if it is for their own good ;-) Many already want it to be even easier than now - for example by opensuseupdater supporting it. Maybe it could be possible to have two options. Only do semi-automatic updates from same vendor (default) and Do semi-automatic upgrade of any package where newer version is avaialable, (break-my-SUSE) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Announcement: Software management for openSUSE
Den Thursday 19 April 2007 11:25:21 skrev Jiri Srain: In order to keep the package names reasonably short, what about updater-kde updater-gnome ? Or any other idea? I like the current naming. opensuseupdater was the name Narayan gave it. But since we're at it, how about changing gnome-xgl-switch to xgl-switch. It doesn't seem to depend heavily on GNOME, and it works surprisingly well under KDE. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Announcement: Software management for openSUSE
Den Wednesday 18 April 2007 15:17:33 skrev Andreas Jaeger: ZENworks Linux Management is Novell's solution for enterprise-class resource management for desktops and servers. ZENworks components are fully available and supported for SUSE Linux Enterprise based products and not longer part of the openSUSE distribution. Great. A load off everyone's shoulders, not least bugzilla. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Locking packages ...
Den Tuesday 17 April 2007 14:56:30 skrev Klaus Kaempf: Package locks try to provide a solution for the following use-cases Proposals anyone ? First of all I think these benefits are far outweighed by the problems the locks cause. So in my view the auto-locking could be just removed. Worst case a few people lose some functionaly temporarily. They would always be able to downgrade again if they have issues. And after trying that a couple of times they'll hopefully learn to pay attention to what they upgrade. But of course it's a valid point. For example you install Pascal's nice ktorrent package - and if you don't pay attention when updating you might get the crippled one from OBS with no DHT. Don't know if this could be taken care of with some versioning conventions, that could perhaps ensure that 3rd party packages are always considered newer. One thing that could possibly diminish the problems that having no locks could cause, and at the same time solve a different issue, would be if it was somehow made more apparent in sw_single when more versions of a package are available. In the present state the user has to actively go to the versions tab and check. In the Smart-gui all packages are listed as individual packages even if they're different versions of the same package. Maybe sw_single could be made to behave in a way that's a kind of compromise between the two radical approaches. Maybe the list could have some kind of tree-format, like with folders - and a little [+] showing that there are actually more versions of this package avaialable. Maybe it should only be done in case there are packages available from different vendors - otherwise it could become messy on x86_64 (biarch) systems. Hopefully if people are informed that more versions are available they'll think twice about which they update to. Another issue is that if you update using sw_single - Package - All packages - Update if newer version is available the locks are disregarded anyway. So in the ktorrent example you are very likely to have your guru-package replaced with the OBS-package despite the lock. If there were no locks at all, this way of updating could assume the user actively locked locked packages, and therefore respect the locks. The way it is now, whether Pascals package is locked or not, it will be updated if I use this method of updating. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Locking packages ...
Den Tuesday 17 April 2007 23:13:12 skrev Herbert Graeber: But sometimes it would be nice to have some form of locking. For example, at the moment using KDE:Backprots and Packman togehter does'nt work if you are using digikam. Noone wants to remove the functionality completely. Only the automatic locking with no user interaction is being discussed. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] Title style in wiki
Den Friday 13 April 2007 05:59:44 skrev Rajko M.: Here is an idea for section title ie. the one that has == tags. http://en.opensuse.org/GIMP Is it any better readable than old style without color? Hm.. I think I like it. Assuming that ===, etc. do not get the background colour. It might be problematic that the sections become more eye-catching than the actual page title, not sure. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] openSUSE 10.3 Alpha3 released
Den Thursday 12 April 2007 14:43:25 skrev Lenz Grimmer: Was mich daran erinnert: bis wann ist Package Freeze? Wir versuchen, innerhalb der kommenden zwei Wochen eine neue Version des MySQL Community Servers zu releasen (5.0.39). Damit werden auch ein paar security bugs (nichts gravierendes) gefixt. Ist das noch im Zeitplan für die 10.3, oder kommen wir zu spät? This list is English language. And you're not too late. No precise roadmap is ready for 10.3 yet - but feature freeze will likely be early August, maybe late July. With release expected to be late September. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] Web design consolidation - please comment
Den Tuesday 10 April 2007 13:20:22 skrev Robert Lihm: After your suggestions, some discussions with my designer-colleague and some sleepless nights :) ... ... here is a new draft: http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/9/91/Wiki_mockup.jpg I like the general concept. But I must say I don't care much for the dominant green colour. It reminds a lot of the green colour used in many tango icons. I don't want to mention the word Pascal Bleser usually uses to describe that colour. But I must say I agree with him. Can't we find a more lively green? Maybe look at the chlorophylux colour scheme for GNOME for inspiration. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Chlorophylux?content=42799 I've personally themed my KDE after that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ERROR: The ZENworks Management Daemon is not running
Den Thursday 05 April 2007 20:20:02 skrev Felix Miata: Is rug not the simplest way to get Factory updated? Not running Factory yet myself. But Zmd+friends is being removed from default installation. You should use zypper. # zypper up -t package or YaST sw_single - Package - All packages - Update if a newer version is available. Assuming libzypp is in a useful state, it appears to be under heavy development. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ERROR: The ZENworks Management Daemon is not running
Den Friday 06 April 2007 10:14:25 skrev Dominique Leuenberger: oh.. and zypper lu for some strange reasons shows no updates to be done on my installation; if I do rug lu, I see a bunch of updates. funny, zypper in can install them too.. so it knows about the catalogs :-) So probably also not the oh-wonder-it-s-magic tool (yet) zypper lu only lists patches, not regular package upgrades like those from factory, for that you use: zypper lu -t package (package as opposed to patch which is the default option). In general, I think there are to many programs for the same thing being developed at the moment withing openSUSE: we have yast(you), zmd, zypper, all of them using libzypp (so far very good) but still, all of them failing in different places on libzypp bugs. (so not all use libzypp the same way). This work should be concentrated to one big stream... THAT would probably give the best package manager ever. That work _is_ being concentrated right now by removing zmd+friends from default and focusing on yast+zypper+desktop-specific-updater applets+libzypp. That is also why I think you should support that process with testing and feedback, instead of clinging on to the dreaded zmd-stuff - even though zypper is presently a bit rough and libzypp is of course not blazingly fast. You should also see Duncan speak about libzypp at FOSDEM: http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/FOSDEM/2007/fosdem2007-17_Common_package_and_patch_management_for_SUSE_Linux-640.ogg And maybe have a look at some of the libzypp wiki pages: http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp_Ng/Speed http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp_NG - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ERROR: The ZENworks Management Daemon is not running
Den Friday 06 April 2007 10:14:25 skrev Dominique Leuenberger: zypper always does everything when I give it an order. If you're doing multiple operations you can avoid the metadata refreshing and parsing each time by using zypper sh (like smart --shell). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-wiki] HOWTOs
Hey Just writing to let you know that I went through all pages on the wiki and added all howtos to http://en.opensuse.org/HOWTOs in case someone else had the same idea, they'd be wasting their time. Of course I might have missed a couple, but I was pretty thorough. So if you're looking for a HOWTO - please go to http://en.opensuse.org/HOWTOs - before using google even ;-) Actually there's a lot of nice documentation on the wiki it turns out, and now I hope there's a chance people can find it, which should also improve the odds of it being maintained and improved - and _not_ dublicated. We'll see what happens ;-) Next step on my personal cleanup vendetta: Merge dublicate pages, and mark obsolete pages for deletion. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] Operation cleanup
Den Monday 26 March 2007 18:05:23 skrev Martin Schlander: I'm trying to help clean up the wiki a bit. One of the problems is dublicate pages. I came across the deletion policy-page. Have requested the pages to be deleted in the correct way now. Sorry. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Den Thursday 08 March 2007 23:52:14 skrev Christian Boltz: AppArmor has no running daemon It loads the profiles on boot. But: I prefer security over saving a second of boot time ;-) Maybe you should unplug your internet connection then ;-) It's overkill for home desktop users imo, which make up the majority of users I expect. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug Day/s Lets Get it going.
Den Wednesday 07 March 2007 21:50:52 skrev Ted Bullock: I think that a bug review should be scheduled as soon as reasonable. While your statements about it being too early are true for the bugs listed against the 10.3 release, the bugs listed against the older releases should really be addressed as quickly as possible so that they stand a chance of making it into the 10.3 at all. If you wait too long on this, they will skip yet another release cycle. I think that the early alpha time frame is ideal to review bugs against the older releases otherwise fixing them might introduce too much churn to be included after a feature freeze. I agree. A bugday relatively soon could be useful and good fun. It seems the devs need help with getting around the ~1200 bugs open for 10.2. Though I realize that everybody is busy working on the service pack. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
There's been talk about improving boot speed and stopping unnecessary services from running by default. I believe postfix, sshd and AppArmor are not necessary on most installations, I certainly always disable them. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] OpenSUSE, bugs and some considerations
Den Monday 05 March 2007 14:49:15 skrev Alberto Passalacqua: Many (if not all) users use a mixture of GNOME and KDE apps. So, don't worry :-) Stop giving GNOME credit for Firefox, GIMP, Azureus, Xchat, Thunderbird etc. People use GTK-apps, noone uses true GNOME apps. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting
Den Tuesday 20 February 2007 14:59:07 skrev Andreas Jaeger: Note that we're looking very closely at rug/zmd problems right now to see what to do for the future. Please let us know what you find out, as soon as you know. A lot of us got the impression from a status meeting that it was already decided to not install zmd by default on 10.3, and the above remarks are a bit worrying in that respect. Hopefully the looking at zmd is about SLE customers and the handful of openSUSE users with unusual needs and preferences. So please, keep us informed, to avoid nasty disappointing surprises for optimistic openSUSE users. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE KDE / Gnome Menu
Tirsdag 23 januar 2007 12:26 skrev Dominique Leuenberger: (kicker, right?) Kickoff.. kicker is the panels, systray, old menu etc. Kickoff is a part of kicker. What are other peoples thoughts about these menus? They seem to vary a lot. Many switch back to classic finding kickoff too complex. But there seems to be a general agreement among gnome-users that Kickoff is better than Slab, I've heard it many times now, and I haven't heard anyone state the opposite. Haven't used Slab enough to have an opinion. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 'incomplete pattern' should be ok
Mandag 15 januar 2007 11:50 skrev Klaus Kaempf: Patterns are used for grouping of packages (and patterns). This grouping is accomplished by dependencies, either Requires (must) or Recommends (should). Installing a pattern means honor its dependencies. So removing a package required by an installed pattern will break this dependency. YaST, being an interactive tool, should give you a warning. rug, being a batch tool, will also de-install the pattern in order to maintain sane dependencies of installed objects. This is certainly one of the bigger, if not the biggest, issue with 10.2. A couple of examples: I installed from DVD5, when I wanted to remove RealPlayer I got a lot of conflicts with the other non-oss stuff, I eventually found out that I could solve the problem by removing the non-oss pattern. To me it makes absolutely no sense that RealPlayer should require Java. And I'm thinking maybe the costs of patterns outweigh the benefits. The other day I wanted to mess with zeroconf, so I tried installing avahi-msdnresponder-stuff, since the zeroconf-kio-slave said no daemon was running I wanted to remove it again and try using the real mdnsresponder, to see if it worked better. This was impossible however, since all of a sudden removing avahi would mean removing kdebase-ksysguard and loads of other stuff with absolutely no connection with avahi. Apparently avahi is not in any pattern, so it most be some avahi-deps that are tied into something. I thought it might be libzypp doing some strange resolving, but smart also wants to remove 25-30 packages in order to remove avahi. Many of them essential stuff. For now I've just let it be. But I can think of no other solution than a) removing all patterns or b) ignoring all the conflicts. Neither is particularly satisfying. I wonder if the patterns could be made to only have effect when being installed, but with no (pattern) requirements being honoured when removing individual packages - guess it would be tricky. Or how about a disable-patterns-switch? I'm also hearing n00bs complaining about dependency conflcts in forums, of course their error descriptions aren't very good, but it smells like patterns causing problems. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] unable to open man page in Suse 10.2
Lørdag 06 januar 2007 02:48 skrev Digvijoy Chatterjee: I am not able to read man pages on my x86_64 Suse 10.2 box ?? Sorry. But support is on opensuse@opensuse.org - or one of it's the localized versions of it: http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate#User.2FSupport_Lists This list is for development issues, not released versions. I can say however that I can't reproduce the problem on my x86_64 box, so it would seem that the problem is caused by changes you've made. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] rug / zypper comparision
Fredag 05 januar 2007 15:45 skrev Jan Kupec: Last thing to add is that zypper is still in an early development stage and will improve. Does rug have an equivalent to the zypper sh functionality? Maybe it's irrelevant because of the daemon, not sure, haven't used rug/zmd much. I also believe that if you add repos with zypper you can assign an alias that applies to YaST2, don't think that works with rug - not 100% sure. But for me I have to say that I find working directly with libzypp is a very, very important feature that makes zypper a clear number one in my book. Saves synchronization, works around the unreliability of zmd etc. I think it was a great idea to do zypper and I can't wait for it to mature more and be more polished. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] rug / zypper comparision
Fredag 05 januar 2007 17:44 skrev Martin Schlander: Fredag 05 januar 2007 15:45 skrev Jan Kupec: Last thing to add is that zypper is still in an early development stage and will improve. Does rug have an equivalent to the zypper sh functionality? Maybe it's irrelevant because of the daemon, not sure, haven't used rug/zmd much. I also believe that if you add repos with zypper you can assign an alias that applies to YaST2, don't think that works with rug - not 100% sure. Thought of another thing. I guess zypper supports deltarpms, but rug doesn't, does it? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] bcm43xxx on Asus A2D Laptop
Mandag 27 november 2006 15:39 skrev Stanislav Brabec: Peter Buschbacher wrote: bcm43xx: Error: Microcode bcm43xx_microcode5.fw not available or load failed. Known problem: [Bug 204826] Bcm43xx driver needs non-oss firmware https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204826 I haven't tested the scripts that should be available in factory now. But I extracted firmware with fwcutter manually and my bcm4306 works like a charm with (K)NetworkManager, wpa-personal and everything. Life's a lot better than it was using Ndiswrapper. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Tier-2 languages in RC1
Fredag 24 november 2006 16:41 skrev Andreas Jaeger: We're planning to put all languages that have according to the translation statistics page (http://i18n.opensuse.org/stats/index.php) more than 98 % translated to the media. We're working on the details on how exactly to do this - just DVD or also CDs (in that case on CD4+5) - but we're trying to do what can be done. Awesome. It's still unclear to me what will and won't be on the dvd9 though. * Danish (100 %) * Finnish (100 %) * Hungarian (100 %) * Cambodian (99 %) * Norwegian (99 %) * Dutch (98 %) * Polish (99 %) I'm impressed with the level of translation that these teams have done! Thanks. I hope that's an acceptable solution for all, No more complaints from me. But you'd better figure out a good solution for 10.3 - by then everybody will make sure they have at least 98% translated ;-) Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Tier-2 languages in RC1
After I, and my three team members have invested a lot of time and emotions in translating 10.2 into Danish I was shocked to find out that no tier-2 translations were included on RC1 dvd5, since they were there in beta2. If my information is correct, this is what happened. There was no room for translations on dvd9, noone knows why. Since it was planned to not include the language addon cd in the box, again noone understands why, this meant no tier-2 translations in the box. To avoid hurting the feelings of paying customers the tier-2 translations were removed from dvd5 too. Maybe I'm too emotional about this, but I'm literally in shock. This will make things pretty difficult for all non-english, non-german, non-french, non-spanish, non-czech, non-italian, non-certain asians to get a localized product. People already complain a lot about the download size of openSUSE.. now they need a dvd _and_ an addon cd, and people buy a box and they don't get a localized product. Furthermore I think this is disrespectful to the volunteer tier-2 language translators, that noone will use now. Because if the MS-deal and FUD didn't scare 'em the download size and trouble involved with localzing the stuff will. And the solution is simple I think. Put the damn language add-on CD in the freaking box or _make_ room on the DVD9. And then put the translations back on the damn DVD5. If necessary raise the price for the box with €1 or €2.. or make a special box for tier-2 countries that costs €2 more, so only those of us who've made the mistake of living in small countries will bare the costs, without others having to suffer. Martin PS. How does one instruct zen-updater to use a different language? I have installed the Danish packages in the Language filter in YaST, but zen-updater remains English. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Tier-2 languages in RC1
Torsdag 23 november 2006 19:36 skrev Michael Loeffler: I can understand your dissappointment but reality shows that what ever is done somebody complains. Thanks for your answer, this calms me a (little) bit. However you didn't mention the box set. I take it that means that it is correct that tier2 languages won't be included in the box on neither dvd9 nor cd. If translations were included in the box that would be a good selling point for people to buy the box in tier2 countries, instead of just downloading. Furthermore I'd suggest that functionality is developed for 10.3 to unstall the translations from the net (if available), during installation.. I'll put it on the wiki. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Media for openSUSE 10.2 - additional sources, Idea?
Fredag 17 november 2006 16:53 skrev Birger Kollstrand: I noticed an earlier discussion on adding additional sources. And I also find it tedious to add additional sources and I can not get my kids to use openSUSE without them :-) Would it be possible to make a link that triggered Yast and added the source when the user manually clicked on it? this is a bit cryptic for the average user. This has been discussed endlessly.. There can be no links to packman or guru for fear of lawsuits. It's is possible since 10.1 to add repos to both yast and zen-updater without having to split the url into different parts, but by copying in a complete url. You should be happy that now at least the official repos can be added automatically. Finally you might wanna take a look at this, a revised version will be available for 10.2: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378 Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] amarok-helix
Tirsdag 14 november 2006 16:18 skrev Andreas Jaeger: Yes, we needed to reorganise our complete packaging for banshee and amarok. We can only use the real codecs from Real - or Helix - packages like Helix Banshee, Can as in Real will only allow.. or as in technical necessity? Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] 10.2B2 DVD
Søndag 12 november 2006 17:47 skrev Kenneth Schneider: I wish to seed the 10.2B2 DVD but need the name of a tracker. Can someone supply me with one? I dunno, but a workaround (I've done it with Ktorrent and Azureus) is to get the torrent and start downloading, pause the download, replace the new file with the already downloaded iso, ask the client to re-verify the data (right click the download), when it has verified that you actually have the entire file it'll be ready to seed. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Repository stripping
I just read Pascals blog on his stripping of the guru mirror. http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2006/11/repository-stripping.html The obvious question now is why don't we do something similar with our repos? Of course we should provide easy acces to debuginfo and source packages - but maybe these could be moved to a seperate repo for easy access for those who needs them. Advantages: - Less metadata for parse-metadata to choke on - Less n00bs installing debuginfo by mistake. I wanted to install thunderbird, why does it take up huge amounts of space?.. oh, yes, I installed debuginfo too, just to be safe, I didn't know what it was or if I needed it - Quicker refresh, less bandwidth needed - Quicker package manager startup because of less package information needing to be read etc. (PS. actually I'm not quite sure how the src.rpms are handled right now, but moving the debuginfo packages would improve performance substantially I guess) Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Use Ctrl+Arrows to walk through the desktops
Søndag 12 november 2006 20:36 skrev Rasmus Plewe: On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 05:35:44PM +, Hugo Costelha wrote: I usually use the Ctrl+Arrows to walk through the desktops, and untill openSUSE 10.2 Beta 2, I think KDE came allways with that sortcut on. Is there a reason openSUSE 10.2 does not have these shortcuts on by default on KDE? I've had to manually define this very behaviour in every Suse Linux KDE version for as long as I can remember. I've always been using ctrl+tab. Alt+arrow sounds Compizish to me. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Seeds for openSUSE-10.2-Beta1_Beta2-DVD-x86_64.torrent
Fredag 10 november 2006 14:56 skrev Hugo Costelha: On Friday 10 November 2006 13:37, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote: Would be nice to have :-) Nonetheless, it was amazing how the all Beta2 DVD got downloaded through bittorrent in about 3 hours!!! (but I am still in favor of seeding the delta also) I seed the 64bit deltaiso :-) Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] openSUSE 10.2 Beta2 is available
Fredag 10 november 2006 17:32 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are md5sums available for the DVD iso images created from the DVD delta isos? e.g. openSUSE-10.2-Beta2-DVD-i386.iso openSUSE-10.2-Beta2-DVD-x86_64.iso I had problems finding them the last time too. Here's my amd64: 4bc8210ca4205ec56f91d614f7bac799 openSUSE-10.2-Beta2-DVD-x86_64.iso It's verified by the mediacheck during installation and by the torrent. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ZMD consumes 70-85% cpu during more than 150 minutes...
Mandag 06 november 2006 14:43 skrev Robby (M9.) Verberne: You don't need to prove anything. If it's useless for you, just uninstall it and use another tool as so many other people do. Did you you try to uninstall it in 102? There are so many dependencies, that we are stuck with the bloody app. and that is one of the reasons I do not trust this app at all. On a 10.2 KDE install I believe Zmd only depends on rug. Maybe also libzypp-zmd-backend, can't remember. I believe a pattern is being provided (in b2) for lightweight package management replacing zen-updater with opensuse-updater and rug with zypper, making zmd obsolete, and YaST much faster. Personally I think this setup shows much promise. But of course both zypper and opensuse-updater are still young. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] ZMD consumes 70-85% cpu during more than 150 minutes...
Mandag 06 november 2006 15:16 skrev Robby (M9.) Verberne: Ok, i get you, but Am i serving any purpose here? Or am i on my own? What I am asking is: Which way do we want to go? You're not alone, and you're definitely not the first person to raise the issue, which has been discussed heavily for about 6 months. But you are a bit late, since we are late in development and our last beta is out in a few days. See, for example: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215649 and this thread: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-10/msg00583.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-11/msg7.html Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Remove zen-installer from gnome-main-menu
Lørdag 04 november 2006 19:44 skrev Claes Bäckström: I would like that when I choose install software in gnome-main-menu it will start yast2 sw_single instead of zen-installer. Should I file a enhancement bug in bugzilla? I doubt your request would be accepted, but you can file it as an enhancement and find out. You can also just edit the menu entry to run yast2 sw_single as root or with gnomesu instead of zen-updater. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 bug prioritization
Lørdag 04 november 2006 18:18 skrev Christoph Thiel: openSUSE 10.2 is going to be released rather soon. With the current bug count of 910 open bugs filed for 10.2, we will certainly have to postpone fixing some of them to 10.3. Therefore, I'd like to ask YOU to help identify those bugs, that are currently hiding under the radar (ie. aren't red) and should be elevated. I'd propose posting the bug numbers in this thread + giving a short rationale. Please keep in mind that we should try to focus on the bugs that really affect a majority of the users! Maybe we should also help you guys clean up a little? Some of the 900+ bugs are mine, and some of those have either been resolved already or are wontfixes, but their status hasn't been changed. I assume this applies to other reports than mine too. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204826 I understand that the evil bastards at broadcom won't allow redistribution of their stupid firmware. Might as well close it if no progress is going on. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215649 Obviously a wontfix. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215269 The localization will be in b2 or b2+ - the report is pretty irrelevant. 3 down, 907 to go. I also have some for 10.1 that are either fixed or irrelvant, will close em up now. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 bug prioritization
Lørdag 04 november 2006 20:31 skrev Randall R Schulz: Where does one see this status indication? And how does one alter or influence it? I'd still like to hear answers to these questions. Go to any bug, this for instance: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=216097 The status is clearly marked in red, New. You can change it at the bottom but in this particular case Christoph asked to post to the mailinglist with reasons for making a given bug a blocker, not changing it autonomously, as we'd then soon have 800 blockers. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Insatiable zmd
Fredag 03 november 2006 15:16 skrev Andreas Jaeger: 1) Is zmd slated for replacement before 10.2 final arrives? No, it will be in 10.2. But you can remove it manually. And you will not lose any functionality as zypper and opensuse-updater can replace rug and zen-updater respectively. It seems there will even be a pattern for performing this action. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Insatiable zmd
Fredag 03 november 2006 16:15 skrev Randall R Schulz: What is this thing, anyway? Where have you been for the last 7 months? Here you can see the different parts of the packagemanagement in default 10.1+10.2 http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Package-management-in-code10.png And here is how it looks if you replace the zenworks pattern with the lightweight packagemanagement pattern on 10.2b2 and onwards: http://suse.linuxin.dk/pm102.png Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] tiny-nvidia-installer removed from factory
Torsdag 02 november 2006 10:33 skrev Stefan Dirsch: On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 08:55:22AM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect it's unlikely packman would want to host these as they're dodgy both legally and morally. Only nvidia should have to take the risk. (Although no-one seems to have sued Debian and canonical yet) Hmm. Sure that Debian/Ubuntu provides prebuilt NVIDIA packages? I'm pretty sure packages exist for Ubuntu, although they might be 3rd party. I'm absolutely sure FC have them via the 3rd party ilvna repo: http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/6/i386/ The idea of Packman hosting the packages was presented before. I believe their hesitation was not so much fear of GPL violation. More a matter of (1) redistribution rights for Nvidia/ATi and (2) building the packages in the first place, iirc. I think the redistribution rights issue was cleared up, not sure about the building issue. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package management architecture
Torsdag 02 november 2006 15:25 skrev Klaus Kaempf: From an openSUSE perspective, ZENworks features are not very rewarding. The SLE (SuSE Linux Enterprise) perspective however is quite different. The integration of ZENworks and YaST is very welcome. Going forward, we will work more towards a unified architecture for openSUSE and SLE. Could you elaborate? Does that mean huge rewrites of zmd and rug? .. or does it mean more of the stuff we've already gotten used to with the synchronization and the helpers? I've done a quick mock-up of how it could look in the future for comparison - maybe already in 10.2 for KDE users: http://suse.linuxin.dk/pm102.png That should match 10.2Beta1 ;-) No, on 10.2b1 you would have to add zmd+helpers and rug, and on GNOME also an updater applet using Zmd. At least until the user manually cleans it up. On 10.2b1 the package management stack is even more complex than on 10.1, with zypper and opensuse-updater added and nothing cleaned up. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package management architecture
Torsdag 02 november 2006 17:31 skrev Klaus Kaempf: No, on 10.2b1 you would have to add zmd+helpers and rug, and on GNOME also an updater applet using Zmd. At least until the user manually cleans it up. On 10.2b1 the package management stack is even more complex than on 10.1, with zypper and opensuse-updater added and nothing cleaned up. Well, we cleaned up the stack dependencies. You can deselect the ZENworks pattern without loosing functionality (update applet and command line tool). The resulting package management stack should match your picture. Yes, and for that I'm personally very thankful, and I can't wait to use it on a daily basis. Only I had hopes that it would be the default for openSUSE if not now, then for 10.3 at least, but we'll wait and see what happens, maybe the stack can be made even nicer. If zypper is built for 10.1 like Mvidner mentioned on bugzilla I'll surely be happy to use it and test it here too. If a package is made available please make sure to announce it. We can't appreciate all the cool stuff that you do for us if we don't know about it. In my capacity of translator I just noticed that a pattern has been made for lightweight package management, very nice. I wonder however if this means changes wrt. zypper and opensuse-updater installed by default on KDE. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] KSynaptics
Fredag 27 oktober 2006 03:07 skrev Michael Riess: because it is a notebook i was always fighting with the touchpad till i read about KSynaptics are there any plans to integrate KSynaptics http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net into 10.2 or is there a equivalent Tool for configuring the Touchpad? Ksynaptics is on factory, dunno if it's on any of the media. Maybe it should. It's certainly a nice piece of software to have on ones touchpad having laptop. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Package management architecture
Presently discussion is on-going in bugzilla about the architecture of package management, mostly wrt. 10.2. I think that we should clarify longer term goals. Which imho must be to not have zmd installed by default on openSUSE, as it causes problems and unnecessary complexity without adding functionality that the openSUSE users need. I'm curious if official people agree with this? With zypper (cli) and opensuse-updater (updater applet) it is within grasp to not have zmd+friends on KDE installations. It's more problematic for GNOME as removing zmd would mean no updater applet would be available for them. But this should be fixable for 10.3. Nat Budin did this image to illustrate package management on 10.1: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Package-management-in-code10.png I've done a quick mock-up of how it could look in the future for comparison - maybe already in 10.2 for KDE users: http://suse.linuxin.dk/pm102.png Whether or not this architecture is feasible for 10.2, depends on the stability of zypper and opensuse-updater. Therefore I recommend to test it a lot. To be able to test it thouroughly we need updates though. One of the lessons learned from the 10.1 debacle was that a lot of the problems didn't become apparent until we had multiple repositories and update repos to test with. This repo exists: http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/suse/suse/update/10.1.42/ But there are no packages there. Would it be possible to provide some sort of dummy updates? Also some repos exist for Factory on the buildservice with newer packages than the ones in factory. Which is useful for testing the package management in more of a real life scenario. Note that at the present zypper is missing from factory, but I assume that'll be remedied soon. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=216585 At the very least 10.2 users should be able to remove zmd+friends and still have cli (zypper) and an updater applet (KDE users only), which in it self is one of many improvements in 10.2 over 10.1. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Proposal for new PAckage for 10.2
Mandag 30 oktober 2006 08:12 skrev Marcus Meissner: What do you think? Can we manage to replace FB1 by FB2 until final release of 10.2? http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-commit/2006-10/msg01555.html Ciao, Marcus Now, don't get me wrong, I don't want to make a bad habit of this, especially not with the short testing period we have.. but: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Source It's only a maintenance release.. and very nice new magnatune.com-feature. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] DVD
Mandag 30 oktober 2006 23:23 skrev Hugo Costelha: Just wanted to thank you guys for providing the DVD for beta1. It is some much better to just insert the DVD and go for a coffee while the 15 installation minutes pass... And it took just a day to get the DVD through torrent, the 64-bit one, which for sure has less people seeding, and it will probably just get better over time. I hope that there was no problems with the DVD release, and that the DVD keeps being realesed through all the alpha/beta stages. Yes, good point. Thanks a bunch for providing this service, both to AJ and co., and Peter Czanik, Christoph and gwdg.de and to the users seeding. While the initial dvd download is pretty big, getting the deltaisos later is nice and smooth. I couldn't wait for the seeders to come online though. So I got the deltaiso via ftp, applied it, and seeded both iso and deltaiso at the time of the announce. According to Peter Czanik who's admin of a couple of the seeding servers more people get 64bit than 32bit, at least via bittorrent. I'm one of them. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Media for openSUSE 10.2
Lørdag 21 oktober 2006 04:03 skrev Sid Boyce: In my exprince of bittorrent in downloading CD's, it takes days to get a set, whereas using ftp it's a matter of hours using a 10M cable broadband link. However I have set download/upload weights, it's been just too slow. If that is not the common experience, I would like to know the proper setup. It is not a matter of setup (primarily at least), it is not a matter of protocols either. It's a simple matter of how many people seed, their allowed upload bandwidth and their share ratio. If many people seed bittorrent can potentially be a lot faster than ftp and with a lot less load on the mirrors. In the current state of things bittorrent is not the fastest way - but _you_ could help change that by not only thinking about your immediate convenience. I hope Peter Czanik's offer is accepted. And that if it doesn't mean a lot of extra work we can have fast bittorrent downloads of dvd isos. Is Eberhard out there somewhere trying to avoid this issue? Can gwdg.de seed? Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Media for openSUSE 10.2
Lørdag 21 oktober 2006 13:13 skrev Eberhard Moenkeberg: But at release time Christoph will prepare a bittorrent seeder again at GWDG, in a different server, like he did before. Great. Between you guys, Peter Czanik and perhaps some of the official servers it should be possible to get some momentum going I'd think and more bittorrent users would appear. Which would benefit users and mirror admins alike. And at the same time it would be possible to provide DVD isos, solving many issues with one stroke. Am I not correct? Maybe Christoph, like Peter, should _only_ seed the DVD isos. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Media for openSUSE 10.2
Fredag 20 oktober 2006 12:56 skrev Andreas Jaeger: * 1 AddOn CD with only binary packages on it * 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for our tier 2 languages (tier 1 languages are english, french, italian, spanish, german, chinese, japanese and czech - and support for those is on the standard 5 CDs) (the 5 CDs have support for installation in *all* languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media) * 1 DVD containing the contents of the above 7 media (the DVD will only come with the final version to save bandwidth and mirror space) * a FTP tree with open source packages (only for the final version) * a FTP tree with binary packages (only for the final version) Couple of questions. Since you say 'only for the final version' for the ftp trees, and not the removable media, can we assume that cds '6' and '7' will be available for testing with beta1? Do you expect the cd layout to be in order by beta1? It's nice to know beforehand how many cds are needed, for alpha5 cds 1-3 didn't suffice for standard install ;-) Any reason you don't mention box/dvd9? I hope it isn't dropped. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Icon Set for YaST
Onsdag 18 oktober 2006 13:54 skrev Andreas Jaeger: Would this plan be ok? I posted the below comments on bugzilla, better post em here too: Sounds like a fully acceptable plan to me. A few points though. If 10.3 won't have KDE4, at least KDE4 will definitely be around for 10.3+1 (11.0). Which means we'll have Oxygen icons then. I hear rumours that the main Oxygen guy is on the Novell payroll (correct?). Maybe we should think even a step further ahead than 10.3. And I guess it's not even entirely impossible that KDE4 can be out in time for 10.3, if we continue the 8 month release cycle. KDE4 and Oxygen should definitely be taken under consideration with regards to those plans. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] YAST new icons
I've backed up my 10.1 icons and will use the 10.1 theme on 10.2 for sure. Should one or two icons for new modules look out of place I'd prefer that over _all_ the icons being badly out of place. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] YOU vs Zen Updater
Onsdag 18 oktober 2006 00:30 skrev Terje J. Hanssen: Now I wonder what is the real use difference between YOU and Zen Updater? The short version is that they're two different frontends to do the same thing. No need to get into the backend stuff. Is Zen meant to replace YOU? Nope, more supplement/offer an alternative for people who are confused and scared by YOU. How to find out if I've got upgraded to the 10.1 Mastered or not? 10.1 remastered is 10.1 + updates up until October 9th, as AJ's announce clearly stated. If you've installed the updates provided by the official update repo you'll have '10.1 remastered' + a few updates provided since October 9th. Don't worry, you're not missing anything. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] SPAM: cd/dvd-layout for 10.2
I just installed alpha5, and was a bit surprised to be told that for complete Danish language an addon cd is needed. I understand that some languages will be placed on an addon cd (cd7). .. it's a bit sad, being the coordinator of Danish translations, to find out that Danish users will have to jump through hoops to use the translations we make. Which wasn't necessary in the past.. And this time around 100% will be translated, and at a decent quality - I guarantee it. Which languages will be put on the addon cd? How are these selected? Who will need the addon cd. DVD5 users? DVD9 users? CD1-5 users? Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] XGL with KDE (was: Musings on the New SUSE Menu System)
Torsdag 21 september 2006 10:08 skrev Jordi Massaguer i Pla: Will we be able to use the 3D effects (Xgl) with Kde? We were considering to move from kde to gnome because we wanted to use the new menu and 3D effects we saw on SLD10.0. However, if Kde will have a new menu and Xgl supported, we may not. KDE _will_ have the Kickoff menu on 10.2.. no if http://en.opensuse.org/Kickoff Lot's of people have used Xgl with KDE. Whether or not it's supported is a matter of definition. http://suse.linuxin.dk/images/screenshots/xgla.jpg Xgl is not only in SLED but also in SUSE Linux 10.1 btw. A couple of projects that might interest you: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=46021 http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15888 A rephrasing of the question might be, how close do SUSE devs follow these projects? And if they're usable by end of October will they be included? flamebaitso we can maybe have eyecandy _and_ functionality at the same time, without major nuissances/flamebait. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Musings on the New SUSE Menu System
Torsdag 21 september 2006 04:01 skrev Jim Pye: This is cool however to make it UberCool... :-) I'd suggest kcontrol (or personal settings) moved to my computer-tab. Also vote for launch on hover to be configurable. Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] opensuse-updater .po-file
I'm now maintainer and coordinator of Danish localization. I miss a po-file for opensuse-updater in svn. Are the translations hidden in some other po-file? Some other reason I can't find it? Should I file a bugzilla? Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
