Re: [opensuse-factory] DVD iso?
Op vrijdag 6 oktober 2006 08:28, schreef Andreas Jaeger: Andreas Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, does anyone know, if the current factory tree is the same as 10.2 alpha5. If this is the case I don't have to download the images. I'll let you know when it is. To check yourself: ls -l FACTORY/inst-source/boot/i386/ currently has: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16676902 2006-10-04 10:20 root.fonts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86638592 2006-10-04 10:20 root But those should be: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16679829 2006-10-05 11:00 root.fonts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86634496 2006-10-05 11:00 root The sync should go this afternoon, I'll watch it and inform you, Andreas An bootdisk would be nice Andreas. For those without DVD-burner and that want to use the DVD-image as source. It's only +/- 20megs Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Building and packaging
So, it seems like y2pmsh will be completely dropped.. What would be replacing the y2pmbuild tool for building and packaging? Memoriam When all the others failed, it stand up Solid like the Rocky mountains It never let us down, always served it's duty. It's a shame we drop it. But we will all remember. y2pmsh, the installtool that struggled while ZEN and YaST gave up. The tool that made SL 10.1 possible to work with. y2pmsh, we will never forget about you Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] What is Yast/ZEN doing with so much info?
Bugzilla reports: 208451YaST: replace 'progressbar by task' with 'progressbar in ... 208452 YaST: do not download (as default) all architectures meta... 208457 YaST: Download only English and Local translation 208461 YaST: other (better) ways to add installation sources Looks to me I splitted all things in a good manner this way. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: SL10.2 installation report
Op dinsdag 19 september 2006 23:03, schreef Peter Nixon: On Tue 19 Sep 2006 12:24, Azerion wrote: Op dinsdag 19 september 2006 08:56, schreef Pavel Nemec: I use KDE and i realy like new menu, but with some exception: - it is not resizable (panel icon). So you had to have panel about 40px height for proper look. +1, see next points. +1 - Most people I know with notebook run with size small - menu pop up with mouseover should be configurable at least ( i found that when i turn of panel animation pop uping disapeard ... magic?) - when browsing trough all programs, there is nice animation between moving menu subfolders. It is nice at first look, but it slow down sometimes. I think it should honor global KDE configuration (panel animation setting in kcontrol) There should be a configuration anyway. At this moment there is none (only items in the menu, not more then that). For example, I do not want to show which documents I editted last. No real reason for that cause I am the only one that uses the profile butjust.I want it away :P +1 Finally i have to say, SL10.2 A4 is much faster than 10.1 even when i have beagle and zmd installed. Beagle I do not run, I will run it however to test it :P. ZMD is fast, but does not work. I hope the fix won't take any speed of it. (Installing with ZEN is slowww). Let's see the upcoming days what happens (hopefully a zypp-fix :D I also do not run Beagle or ZEN (smart for me :-) Cheers The newest way of updating Factory is: - yast2 inst_source -click edit source - click okey (it will refresh then) - accept agreement - accept that ZEN failed - accept that ZEN failed second time - run to yast2 sw_single -update all packages and hope it will finish before the factory repo is changed again. Will try this once more and hope things are fixed now (at least the refreshment of the source) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] upGrading upcoming releases
Usually durinf the alpha/beta stage it is sufficient to select 'upgrade distribution' from within, without booting. Not really. It should be OK after beta1, when we are in the feature freeze, but until then, it might strike back badly and it will cost quite some effort to find out the root of the problem. Stano Do I have to file a bugreport that since 10.1 the upgrader will always complain about a different version, own risk? If there is a new version, just install fresh. Then you can check the installer for (translation)bugs to :P Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] SL10.2 installation report
Op dinsdag 19 september 2006 08:56, schreef Pavel Nemec: I use KDE and i realy like new menu, but with some exception: - it is not resizable (panel icon). So you had to have panel about 40px height for proper look. +1, see next points. - menu pop up with mouseover should be configurable at least ( i found that when i turn of panel animation pop uping disapeard ... magic?) - when browsing trough all programs, there is nice animation between moving menu subfolders. It is nice at first look, but it slow down sometimes. I think it should honor global KDE configuration (panel animation setting in kcontrol) There should be a configuration anyway. At this moment there is none (only items in the menu, not more then that). For example, I do not want to show which documents I editted last. No real reason for that cause I am the only one that uses the profile butjust.I want it away :P Finally i have to say, SL10.2 A4 is much faster than 10.1 even when i have beagle and zmd installed. Beagle I do not run, I will run it however to test it :P. ZMD is fast, but does not work. I hope the fix won't take any speed of it. (Installing with ZEN is slowww). Let's see the upcoming days what happens (hopefully a zypp-fix :D Pavel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Proposal: Change in default fs for releases = 10.2
Op donderdag 14 september 2006 12:15, schreef Jeff Mahoney: Hi all - To be clear, my long term goal is to use OCFS2 (or another CFS if one shows a clear adoption advantage) for the root file system. This would enable single-instance clustering at both the physical and the virtual distribution level and get us ease of management and flexibility in HA deployments. Realistically, though, desktop users are likely to continue to use ext[34] for the foreseeable future. Until we have OCFS2 (and the rest of the distribution) ready for such a deployment described above on larger servers, ext3 would be a suitable choice across the board. -Jeff Just some support cause I really don't know anything about filesystems. It seems reasonable to switch. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Mockups: Installation openSUSE 10.x by Azerion
Again some mockups. Back to realism that Gimp is not the easy image-creator ;-). So they are not the way I want them to be but I cannot make it any better. The more I try the more they look to refuse. I think they are pretty clear in what I mean in generally. For those who don't know my self-made acronym: KICK IT! stands for Keep It Clean Kreator (I'll Try!) In those mockups some points (again). 1.) While loading the kernel (no message-popup!), you may explain what it is for. It does not have to be technical complete as long as the user understands that something important is loaded. It's just nicer then the awful YaST-popup. 2.) Do not show numbers as we can all see that the progressbar is at almost 50%. We don't need numbes for that. KICK IT! ---next slide 3.) Again some information. The second sentence is garbage but did not know what to tell about it. It's pretty late over here (have to stay up anyway). 4.) On request: the progress 'doublee' (variation of tree). No weird check-signs and so on. Users wil understand that the bold option is the screen they are at, and they will also know that the entries above the bold line are allready done (and visa versa). Who invented those list-style-icons anyway? KICK IT! 5.) Did still not add the help-button (image) and there are still no logo's 6.) I do not have a scrollbar for languages. I think the scroll-idea is widely known and I think that we can fullfill all needs by two arrows in the dark box. One up...and onegood guess, you'll get a sticker :D 7.) Little shadow. It does not grab the attention in anyway but does make it little less 'plain-looked'. Have to admit, it is the only thing I can do at this moment to spice it up a bit :P. And still it is TO boring. 8.) Then: Back, Abort and Next-button do not need hard borders. KICK IT! http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9825/installationkernelloadingbr7.jpg http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6946/installationselectlanguagehz0.jpg Please react. Not only about the mockups but about the installer in general. What can be improved, what is disturbing your ultimate installation-expierience. But, please also react on the mockups. I am not an graphic (Gimp) artist but I try to show my ideas on paper. That is easier talking then only...ehhh...talking. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Partition selection openSUSE (install)
Op dinsdag 12 september 2006 14:45, schreef Lukas Ocilka: Thomas Meindl wrote: Partitioner, as it is now, is a very-well done considering the unseen layer (e.g., API), on the other hand, dialogs need to be changed to match our needs better. This is work in progress... I reckon it should be something like this that needs to be implemented: *check for SL/openSUSE *if found check if there are root and home as separate partitions *if found ask user whether to format root, install there and use found data partition as mountpoint /home or use present implemented behaviour. Another comments from Thomas Fehr: Currently we simply do not want to mount all filesystems to be able to create the proposal. Mounting might possibly take a long time and could even hang the machine if the filesystem is in a weird state. I think we might discuss it here but it still depends on Thomas :) and he's the only one who has enough information (and responsibility). Lukas Maybe a button: read current partition-index? So you don't have to go true all the screens for an expert-partitioning. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RED ALERT: do not lock session with Factory
Op dinsdag 12 september 2006 17:58, schreef Adrian Schröter: Am Tuesday 12 September 2006 17:54 schrieb Andreas Jaeger: Azerion [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I filled a bugreport for this one, I guess, but cannot find it anymore. Any comments on that? If you lock qou're KDE-session you won't be able to return. It will allways return Incorrect password. It first happened tonight while I was updating to factory. Such blocking bugs should be documented on the most annoying bug package in the wiki. Could you do this, please? Well, that works for me. I suppose it did only happen because you replaced the packages under your running system ? Does it work after reboot ? No Bug and no reason to document this in this case ... bye adrian I allready thought about that adrian, but still it does not work. Also not under Gnome (probably the same engine huh :P). Ardrian says it works for him but here it does not. So, where is the problem? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Yast installation sources: now with *NEW* screens!
Op maandag 11 september 2006 14:57, schreef Stanislav Visnovsky: Dňa So 9. September 2006 00:36 Azerion napísal: Goodday, when i used SL 10.1 and went to Yast2 inst_sources I saw an Add button. Hen I clicked it showed me a sort of drop-down with some options. You selected, a pop-up came you filled in and Done. In 10.2 however you click Add, go to a new screen, select an option, click on Next, enter the information and again Next. It seems very weird to have a whole screen for 1 imput with the name URL Why had it changes. The old manner was better I thnik I don't see any difference between the old and the new way regarding complexity. It's exactly the same steps, just shown differently. Stano There was allready a tread about this and I admitted that I was wrong. Also I questioned if there could be an option 'iso' or 'image' cause now it is under Directory while it is a file. Does not look like a big problem to add. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Yast installation sources: now with *NEW* screens!
Op maandag 11 september 2006 15:16, schreef Stanislav Visnovsky: Dňa Po 11. September 2006 15:05 Azerion napísal: Op maandag 11 september 2006 14:57, schreef Stanislav Visnovsky: Dňa So 9. September 2006 00:36 Azerion napísal: Goodday, when i used SL 10.1 and went to Yast2 inst_sources I saw an Add button. Hen I clicked it showed me a sort of drop-down with some options. You selected, a pop-up came you filled in and Done. In 10.2 however you click Add, go to a new screen, select an option, click on Next, enter the information and again Next. It seems very weird to have a whole screen for 1 imput with the name URL Why had it changes. The old manner was better I thnik I don't see any difference between the old and the new way regarding complexity. It's exactly the same steps, just shown differently. Stano There was allready a tread about this and I admitted that I was wrong. Also I questioned if there could be an option 'iso' or 'image' cause now it is under Directory while it is a file. Does not look like a big problem to add. Good point. File a bug report, so it does not get lost ;-) Stano I want to but have you seen the speed of bugzilla? I have about 3 reports on my desk but can't reach the forms. Having allready a tread (with solution maybe) in the -e-ML 1.) Problem with mounting encrypted disk in install (including a 'there is a workaround so it can probably easily be fixed) 2.) Iso/image radiobuttin in Yast Sources 3.) Shit, lost it :P Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Manager Update 3: Call for Testing
Op maandag 11 september 2006 16:58, schreef Andreas Jaeger: I'm just syncing out another update of the stack that fixes one more bug - found while testing script handling. Hope this is the last iteration, we plan to release this asap and welcome direct feedback! Andreas I went to 10.2 A4 so I cannot test this one. Sorry, hopefully the big bug is smashed :-) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Partition selection openSUSE (install)
Saw an request about partiotioning and though 'lets split things out'. So here is a thread about the parrtition-wizard from openSUSE-installer. I also recognized that openSUSE wants to delete my root AND also my home partition, when doing a fresh install. It would be better to have a detection that asks if one wants to keep the home partition. Personally I always update SUSE by installing in root and keeping all my data on /home. Good point. Add to that, that data on an encrypted disk probably haves an huge value. At this moment the installer would format it as /home cause it is my biggest partition. Won't report a wish yet, discussion comes first. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Pre-Beta Beta comments
4.In the KDE environment once the install is complete the user is confronted with an open 'K Menu' which obscures the desktop. For me it was not immediately obvious how to close it as the Icon didn't look at all like an Icon. May I suggest K Menu default to Closed. I hope this 'look and feel' has nothing to do with that other well know beta out there :-) Please file this as bugreport against KDE, Andreas I now realise the user can switch between 'KDE Menu Style' and 'openSUSE Menu Style' by right mouse clicking on the 'K Menu' icon. I don't see any advantage in having a customised 'K Menu' for openSUSE and I would like to see openSUSE startup with 'K Menu' closed in 'KDE Menu Style' for the reason stated above. Should I still bugreport this one? Check if the first reporter did not do so allready. I was not charmed by the new K-menu first. But now I use is for 2 days and guess whatI am beginning to like it. Will report that there is a delay in switching tabs. It does work quite nice. Try is for some time and you will see that it is not so bad. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Where in those KDE 3.5.4a menus is kcontrol hiding
But the search in the start menu is different, you should really try it. :-) Bye, Steve Have to admit, the search is very cool. Now let's work on the 'ba'd point and we may have a better start-menu. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Internet Installation openSUSE 10.2 Alpha4
On 9/8/06, Keith Goggin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, http://en.opensuse.org/Development_Version says in part 'If you choose this installation type, you download a small boot medium to start the installation from and the YaST installer does the rest for you' I have tried this method and cannot get beyond the error message 'Could not find the SUSE Linux Installation Source' Can someone tell me the name of these repositories. The manual setup program wants the IP address of an NFS server and the directory on that server. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can use HTTP for this part of the install. Also, you cannot use DNS at this point AFAIK, so you must use the following information: Server: 195.135.221.130 Folder: /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/ As I said: Do NOT use the factory-tree for an install. The tree is unstable and does not guarrantee that the install will finish at all. You may even get dependencieproblems with packages that are not available. Download the images of Alpha4 and learn how to loop so you don't need to burn all of them. At this moment it seems that makeSUSEdvd does not work for 10.2 (so I heard). Looping does work. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Discussion about starting BETA process earlier - by end of sep 2006
Op vrijdag 8 september 2006 16:19, schreef Alexey Eremenko: Hi all ! I would like to ask to start the BETA process of openSUSE 10.2 earlier. Alpha4 now is stable enough to be almost BETA - a few fixes here and there and we are BETA-ready. I think it is not-needed to waste another month of time to get to Alpha5 and then BETA1. I suggest, that, because we have almost-stable distro now, start the BETA process by end of this month (Sep, 2006), instead of end of next month, and make feature freeze earlier. So our BETA process will last 1 month longer, and in the end deadline (Dec,2006) we (Novell+Community) will be able to deliver a better and more stable OS for day-to-day use. I want openSUSE 10.2 to be better tested than previous OSes: SUSE Linux 10.0 and 10.1. What do you think? As I said earlier. Being faster then the schedule does not mean you have to cut the schedule but that there is an opportunity to test thing die hard and fix also the smallest bugs/annoyings. Maybe openSUSE-project can even do some extra wishes if there is so much time left. But I seems that 10.2 is right on schedule. Bet never laugh too fast, sometimes it backfires. /me is gonna install alpha4 now. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] discussing problems with Yast Package Setup patterns or problem
Hi all ! Also, while the GIMP is installed it's help is missing. I think the two packages must be tied to one another. +1. But then the helpfiles have to be updated also if Gimp is cause they are both in the same package. Is there in the new system an option to check a package as the motherpakacge is selected without making it a requirement? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Failed to initialize catalog. Try again?
Op vrijdag 8 september 2006 15:49, schreef Felix Miata: Last 3 tries to ftp install wednesday and today this happened, using ftp.cise.ufl.edu and mirrors.kernel.org. Factory does not guarantee an installable openSUSE. So I guess there is the problem for you. The catalog is probably out of date, syncing or whatever. Factory-install is a bad idea... Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 a4 install reviewed
Welcome welcome, as some of you all may know I am very interested in the installation of openSUSE. Big changes won't happen for 10.2 but I saw some things that prabably are easy to change. I also found a bug that I will report after I clicked send. No more bla bla, let's go! 1.] If you check the chechbox for addons and you add the addon-cd, the actual addon's are not shown in a patterngroup. That is not weird cause there is no natural pattern between the packages from the Addon-cd but people do not download the CD for fun. They download it because of Acrobat, Flash and some more. The problem is that with the behavior from the installer at this moment Flash for example is not checked and you can only find it by search or bij Installation-source. To badpeople will expect it to be installed. 2.] Please show after the restart a window/message in the mainwindow that you have to wait. At this moment you see only the mouse-loading-icon and that stopped. I am no noob so I checked top right away, but people will think that the install hangs cause we are used to have the mouse not freezed when a progam does. So only top was my indication that everything was fine. 3.] This is pure image-building. The screen from the installation is too 'busy'. I have talked about it at this ML and I know there won't be big changes as I said earlier, but small things can change a lot. This is only about the Package Installation:-screen cause that was the moment I checkd the interface, but I guess some point can be applied to all the screens without trouble. - remove the line under Package Installation. We can live without it cause the title is far above the rest so no splitter is needed. - connect the tabs to the inner-screen. At this moment they hover above it so there is a line between the tabs and the inner-screen. Everything seems much slicker when that splitline is gone. - remove the border around the slide. It is just another border and it does not make sens at all. Borders should only be used to 'order' things if without borders it would be a mess. Trust me, I can see the diference between the progress-bar and the slidetext without being confused :P - Make the inner-screen a bit more colored or a little bit lighter. At thos moment it is spartanian in the same color as the rest of the screen. It looks awful. - Some more comments about the slides but that will come some other day. I think that the presentation is going to show at more CD's then only at CD1 so there will be a discussion about that anyway. 4.] Just a little point but the theme have to be changed anyway I think (cause of those tabs). If there is a little message-window it does have some lines in the border. Probably to show that the window can be rezised but it looks weird if there is a little window where all those stripes are 2cm from their neigbours. So, that was it. I know I am a crybaby :P but I think those little things will make the YaST-installer much slicker and it seems to be really small things to change. I will report point 2 to Bugzilla and another bug (mouting crypted disk gives an error when checked as not mount at boot, if you first mount and the check it it is fine). Have a nice day Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Where in those KDE 3.5.4a menus is kcontrol hiding
Op vrijdag 8 september 2006 22:57, schreef Stephan Binner: On Friday 08 September 2006 22:27, Felix Miata wrote: Is there some config setting somewhere that will bring back the many years old tree/branch behavior? If so, where? The fastest way is to right-click the button and Switch to KDE Menu Style. Have to say that it is possible that he allready did this. When I tried the menu came up and not the ehmmm..menu. So I could not click that option. Took me a few times before it went okey. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Yast installation sources: now with *NEW* screens!
Goodday, when i used SL 10.1 and went to Yast2 inst_sources I saw an Add button. Hen I clicked it showed me a sort of drop-down with some options. You selected, a pop-up came you filled in and Done. In 10.2 however you click Add, go to a new screen, select an option, click on Next, enter the information and again Next. It seems very weird to have a whole screen for 1 imput with the name URL Why had it changes. The old manner was better I thnik Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] [Bug 141443] reentry to KDE from VC via Alt-F7 submits F7 to focused app
Op vrijdag 8 september 2006 22:09, schreef Felix Miata: On 06/09/05 18:33 (GMT-0700) Andreas apparently typed: El Martes, 5 de Septiembre de 2006 15:29, Felix Miata escribió: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=141443 sorry if I didn't make myself clear: With a weird bug like this I think it's best to try and install the system not as always, but instead just chose the minimal install for say a kde system, with no tweaking or additional packages, start it up, create some dummy accounts and see if you still have the problem with the F7 key. I tried to re-created your bug with three different keyboards, two different layouts and two different connections: my old german keyboard with ps2 connector and two us-layout keyboards with usb and ps2 connectors, and they all behave as expected. No F7 anomaly. It was tough, but I finally got it to install on a 4th machine. Same problem. 100% failure. I once heard a story from my boss and he told me that one of our emplyees always got an error. It was very weird and nobody understood what was going wrong. Untill..my boos saw that every time the employee entered data he checkd it from clode to his screen and hit with his arm (?) a button. That causes clicking OK to give an error. Maybe you should asking someone to do exacly the same at you're PC. Miracles can happen... Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] gnome-screensaver doesn't recognize password!
Op donderdag 7 september 2006 09:43, schreef Émeric Maschino: Hi, With today's updates, I cannot wake up my GNOME session once the screensaver has been started: the connexion dialog box tells me that my password is incorrect. And I'm sure it's absolutely correct since I log in my GNOME session with the exact same password (obviously).This is with gnome-screensaver-2.15.7-3 on an Itanium workstation (IA-64 architecture). I hadn't this problem with previous gnome-screensaver release (don't remember the version though). Is there anybody out there experiencing the same issue? Cheers, Emeric Happened to me in KDE after an update. Restart Gnome and check if the problem still exist. If so, they a PC reboot and try again. If ot still exist there is a bigger problem. Otherwise it is probably a call to a changed function (?) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Most annoying bugs: usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug #203609 Workaround: Use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the kernel line. What about: do not have an mouse connected to your USB-port? I mean, with ps2 it should go fine right? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Op donderdag 7 september 2006 15:09, schreef Vahis: Azerion wrote: Most annoying bugs: usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug #203609 Workaround: Use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the kernel line. What about: do not have an mouse connected to your USB-port? I mean, with ps2 it should go fine right? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, what about it? It should go fine. What's the reason for your posting? Please don't answer. Vahis I do. This is what is posted at the Most Annoying Bug-list and it's a bit underkill :P to start in textmode. You don't have to as long as you do not have a mouse connected to the USB-port. My version is better :P Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
On 9/7/06, Vahis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Azerion wrote: Op donderdag 7 september 2006 15:09, schreef Vahis: Azerion wrote: Most annoying bugs: usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug #203609 Workaround: Use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the kernel line. What about: do not have an mouse connected to your USB-port? I mean, with ps2 it should go fine right? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, what about it? It should go fine. What's the reason for your posting? Please don't answer. Vahis I do. This is what is posted at the Most Annoying Bug-list and it's a bit underkill :P to start in textmode. You don't have to as long as you do not have a mouse connected to the USB-port. My version is better :P Azerion In my opinion to choose another installation option is far easier than to go to a shop to buy another mouse just for installing, don't you think? If you OTOH want to install without the mouse at all then you need to do it in text mode anyway, huh? Vahis -- Sometimes I reply to top posters. Seldom. And usually just once. http://waxborg.servepics.com/English/Linux/SUSE.10.1/suse10.1.html SUSE Linux 10.1 Suomi: http://waxborg.servepics.com/Linux/10.1/suse-10.1.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Even that is easier than to go to a shop to get a new mouse. See what happened when you top posted. Vahis Sometimes people do have a p2-mouse connected or somewhere around. I do have a plug-thing that makes the USB-connector a ps2. Changed to: usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug #203609 Workaround: Make sure you don't have a mouse connected to an USB-port or use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the kernel line. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE-10.2-Alpha3_Alpha4-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso on ftp.gwdg.de broken ?
Op donderdag 7 september 2006 17:26, schreef Vahis: Azerion wrote: Sometimes people do have a p2-mouse connected or somewhere around. I do have a plug-thing that makes the USB-connector a ps2. Changed to: usb mouse is not working in X, this breaks especially installation Bug #203609 Workaround: Make sure you don't have a mouse connected to an USB-port or use textmode for installation, e.g. textmode=1 on the kernel line. Azerion Sometimes when people have a ps2 mouse this annoyance does not concern them at all. It's all clear in the original most annoying bug info. That's why I asked why your post was necessary in the first place. Vahis I understand. People that install an Alpha should not concern about it. But I rather see the GUI tested then the text-mode. GUI was not stable in other Alpha's so it have to be tested and I hope some people will now try using a p2/mouse. The first Workaround-line looked like a GUI-install was not able at all. And I guess it is not as long as a mouse is attached to the USB-port. Azerion. ps. let's close this discussion now. I think we both made our point very clear :D There are more important topics around. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Games on openSUSE 10.2
Op woensdag 6 september 2006 14:27, schreef Ludwig Nussel: On Wednesday 06 September 2006 10:23, Stefan Dirsch wrote: On SUSE Linux 10.1 we had about 5 small game packages in our default installation + an additional Games selection used for all game packages. Should we do it similar for openSUSE 10.2? Any other proposals? This one is nice: http://ri-li.sourceforge.net/ Looks very good! But is it a adult game or something for children? Last update: 19/07/2006 : version 1.2.0. This one looks interesting (check the video). I didn't try it yet as it has some exotic build dependencies: http://louhi.kempele.fi/~skyostil/uv/fretsonfire/ It looks good, it seems to be fun but have you heard the text in the tutorial? I guess that is not in the SUSE policy. == You suck *Bigtime* == Anyway, the video is very cool. And maybe we can have a Fortune-message. But I guess it won't be in the pattern then Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Games on openSUSE 10.2
There is a midgetgolf-game and a game with a big ball on a platform where you have to turn/angle the platform...can't that be included? Those show some nice graphics and have to say: wehen you start you can't stop (that's the reason I don't have it installed right now ;-) ) Where can I find it? Best regards, Stefan Sounds like neverball and it's close relative, neverputt. Aren't those already in the distribution? Thank you for the names. I know they are in the dist but I think they should be in the default-install. They are both well designed and I think those two are very much liked by (new) users. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
Op woensdag 6 september 2006 15:44, schreef Andreas Jaeger: I've split the yast packages out now from my list into two lists: * A server pattern that is not installed by default * A YaST base pattern The default install will require the base pattern. Here's an updated list of files, I removed also a couple of packages From it that are in other patterns or unneccesary for openSUSE: I don't know the '+Prq'-thing and so on, so I don't know what it means, but I do not see ANY Yast packages anymore.. Anyway, good that there are 2 patterns now and that the serverstuff is out at default. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
Op woensdag 6 september 2006 15:57, schreef Christoph Thiel: On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote: I've split the yast packages out now from my list into two lists: * A server pattern that is not installed by default * A YaST base pattern The default install will require the base pattern. Here's an updated list of files, I removed also a couple of packages From it that are in other patterns or unneccesary for openSUSE: Maybe people can cut the post and only show usefull parts. It does save me valueable scroll-time. So please only use those parts that you need. if you have something to say about sql-lite just cut the other parts of the post. Maybe not ML-ethical but far more easier. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] [Bug 141443] reentry to KDE from VC via Alt-F7 submits F7 to focused app
Op dinsdag 5 september 2006 07:10, schreef Adrian Schröter: Am Monday 04 September 2006 21:38 schrieb Felix Miata: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=141443 The assignee claims he cannot reproduce this, but I can't NOT reproduce this highly annoying bug on every system I've installed 10.0 or higher on, systems that with other distros have no such problem. Can anyone else repro this? If so, please comment in the bug. I can't either. jfyi adrian I can't either. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] [Bug 141443] reentry to KDE from VC via Alt-F7 submits F7 to focused app
Op maandag 4 september 2006 21:38, schreef Felix Miata: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=141443 The assignee claims he cannot reproduce this, but I can't NOT reproduce this highly annoying bug on every system I've installed 10.0 or higher on, systems that with other distros have no such problem. Can anyone else repro this? If so, please comment in the bug. TIA Maybe you should clean your keyboard or the keyboard connector from your motherboard. I thought KDE had problems with clicks until I discovered tgat my mouse was slightly damaged. A new mouse changed everything. Check what is the same on all those configuration you tried this on. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Manager Update 3: Call for Testing
Op dinsdag 5 september 2006 08:44, schreef Stanislav Visnovsky: Dňa Po 4. September 2006 23:26 Azerion napísal: Op maandag 4 september 2006 13:51, schreef Andreas Jaeger: I updated the repository with some additional fixes for those issues that were reported. Thanks for your testing! Andreas Does that include a fix for the wait-time if you want to see the patches that have to be installed? Otherwise I will file a bugzilla for that one..very annoying. What do you mean exactly? Stano The icon is orange cause there are a lot of updates (36). So I click on the icon and the screen appears. Getting update list.. 5 minutes later the patches show up. And the update-button is available. This behavior kind of sucks. I guess it is going to get all the repo-data again and parse it to have it very up to date. Well, I don't care if it maybe misses 1 patch cause it is 1 hour old. I JUST WANT TO UPDATE! ps. I have 10 repo's Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] [Bug 141443] reentry to KDE from VC via Alt-F7 submits F7 to focused app
Op dinsdag 5 september 2006 12:59, schreef Felix Miata: On 06/09/05 10:01 (GMT+0200) Azerion apparently typed: Op maandag 4 september 2006 21:38, schreef Felix Miata: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=141443 The assignee claims he cannot reproduce this, but I can't NOT reproduce this highly annoying bug on every system I've installed 10.0 or higher on, systems that with other distros have no such problem. Can anyone else repro this? If so, please comment in the bug. Maybe you should clean your keyboard or the keyboard connector from your motherboard. I thought KDE had problems with clicks until I discovered tgat my mouse was slightly damaged. A new mouse changed everything. Check what is the same on all those configuration you tried this on. Did you actually read the bug? I did. I guess you are doomed as no other person on this list can repo the problem. I say: bug closed and let it stay that way. It takes time to examine the bugreport every time, and if only one person does have the problem that is not worth the time. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Packages in default installation
Op dinsdag 5 september 2006 16:51, schreef Lukas Ocilka: Andreas Jaeger wrote: Hi, during one of our IRC meetings, I've been asked to discuss the size of our core distribution. I'm appending the list below and would like to hear your concrete suggestions. Some of the packages are needed by dependencies, we could split some packages into separate (optional) patterns, Andreas Required (must have): I miss SuSEfirewall2 here because we configure it in the installation. Some firewall should be in the core for security reasons. yast2-dhcp-server yast2-dns-server yast2-instserver yast2-nfs-server yast2-nis-server yast2-samba-server yast2-tftp-server Configuring servers is not needed for clients, it could be in some server-related pattern. Recommended (should have): SuSEfirewall2 It's only recommended... Lukas I tatally agree with this. We have talked about this earlier but can't find it now. Andreas said that they are Required by YaST, but then is my question: does openSUSE not manage YaST also? We have to delete those requirements so 1. It does not have to be installed (duhhh) and the server-stuff won't appear in YaST (one of my wishes for default install). Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] [Bug 141443] reentry to KDE from VC via Alt-F7 submits F7 to focused app
Op woensdag 6 september 2006 00:29, schreef Felix Miata: On 06/09/06 00:05 (GMT+0200) Azerion apparently typed: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=141443 I guess you are doomed as no other person on this list can repo the problem. I say: bug closed and let it stay that way. It takes time to examine the bugreport every time, and if only one person does have the problem that is not worth the time. I don't think we know that more than 6-7 people have even tried, much less how many systems have been tried. I repro on 3 systems, and a commenter in the bug he says I often see this too. Upthread Andreas wrote try a plain vanilla installation, which, if I can figure out exactly what means, I think I will try on a 4th system soon. == I often see this too, especially on my main desktop machine running SuSE 10.0 and a development one with 10.1. However I have several other machines with 9.3, 10.0 and 10.1 where I rarely see it. Clearly some hardware is more prone to the problem than others. Does anyone know if it occurs with other recent distributions? Maybe KDE version makes a difference? HTH Maybe you two should compare hardware and especially keyboards? Maybe you two have something in common that causes the problem. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 Features and Roadmap
I will make some mockups this month. Have to use PaintShopPro cause Gimp I can't handle. Maybe Krita is something but have to find out yet. Andreas did get a mockup but that was only one screen and horrible design-work (read: no design at all) Will mockup a part (or the whole) of the installation. Probably with a splisscnreen to Normal/Expert and from that point two screens per tep. You'll see. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Manager Update 3: Call for Testing
WARNING! WARNING! Fine, ZEN-updater did not abort because of dependencies problems. Not so fine, it did not complain and suggested to delete X11-xorg! As noob-user ;-) I just clicked okey hoping that ZEN would say: no you can't do that. As you can guess after reading my first line: it did not complain and delete X11-xorg! Gald I am not a noob-user and yast did the job well. And this was supposed to be released this week? Probably a bad idea huh Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 Features and Roadmap
People are confused by seeing Httpserver, DNS-server and so on in YaST. why confused? may be these options are not uptodate, but it's good to have them DNS-server, HTTP-server. Normal people don't know what they are and don't want to know. I think it must me 'there' but not with 21 shortcuts. Try to group them. Idea 1: Do not use 'windows' like we do use it now. the goal is probably to have the same look we get after the install... Maybe, or it's just like we use YaST all the time and that is just a YaST-look. But the install is very important for users that want to checkout SUSE. A graphical install that looks slick will make people trust the software. Don't know why but it's like that. Idea 2: Let the user select what screens he/she wants to use default: default/expert. On every screen in default there will be an option to see expert-options but you don't have to make the choice every time. yes For the asker: Options confuses people. The will read the options but probably they don't understand everything of it. Just make them hidden. Idea 3: This one is stolen from Vista. Drop those radiobuttons (round things) and replace it with an nice arrow that directly reponse. don't always try to mimics windows. I don't know vista and don't want to know about it :-). I like to be able to groups my answers, the less screens the better Don;t get you're point. This thing does not generate more pages. It just makes sure you only have to click ones instead of select option C - Next. It feels more 'direct' to do it with action-buttons. Don't be afraid to mimic Vista on some point. Maybe we won't agree with their bussiness and source-model but that does not mean their graphical design is bad. Brr, ik dislike Linux-fanboys that ban everything from MS only because it is MS. Idea 4: Do not show more information the needed in default. I don't care what step I have had and which one will come next. I do care much. this is a very good thing, don't change it, please. It's very fequent to be disturbed during a work (phone call...) and you must know where you are when coming back True, you want to know where you ARE. You don't have to know where you HAVE BEEN. I know that I have partitionized and selected a language.. Lees info in the screen, as default, is good. Idea 5: Take care of that you show a lot of nice things in the slideshow. 3 buttons: prev, next, diashow. It uses some space on the disk but new users will welcome it honestly I don't like the slideshow, I HATE advertisements. If slide show tyhere is, it should be _usefull_ (list of new points, some help...) YOU hate them, YOU won't watch them if you are installing openSUSE. YOU are expert and YOU know what openSUSE brings to your desktop. I do also, new users don't. And I guess we will have to focus on new users at some points. Experts won't see the slide-show after all (even if it includes release-notes) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Excess bloat must be removed!
I think a lot of this comes with the package-cleanup but I agree that 2nd lever menu's are too-much. On the other hand: if you have a lot of packages it will be nice to have then in 2nd level organized. Maybe an idea to ask the KDE/Gnome-team to implement an option for that or only 2nd-level when more then 2 of the same 2nd-level-category are installed..? This is already implemented in KDE desktop (I think it's SUSE-specific patch). And where can we find it? If I am not able to find it how does Joe Avarage has to find itif it is there as you said. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] openSUSE 10.2 Features and Roadmap
--- Thu, Oct 26 openSUSE 10.2 Beta1 release (feature complete) --- Thu, Nov 9 openSUSE 10.2 Beta2 release --- Thu, Nov 23 openSUSE 10.2 RC1 release --- Thu, Nov 30 openSUSE 10.2 GM release --- Thu, Dec 7 openSUSE 10.2 public release Hello? Hello? What did we learn from the last SUSE Linux edition? 1.) Never change features in beta 3 2.) Work until everything is fixed despite stores waiting 1.) It can't happen again, we have planned 2 beta's. Is this a real solution? I would rather see a list as followed: Thu, Oct 26 openSUSE 10.2 Beta1 release (feature complete) Thu, Nov 9 openSUSE 10.2 Beta2 release Thu, Nov 16 openSUSE 10.2 Beta3 release notice only 1 week Thu, Nov 30 openSUSE 10.2 RC1 release Thu, Dec 7 openSUSE 10.2 RC2 release notice only one week Thu, Dec 21openSUSE 10.2 GM release (or the 14th) Thu, Dec 28 openSUSE 10.2 public release (or the 21th) 2-3 more weeks dev-time and 1 extra beta and 1 extra RC. It will probably come to that after all so let's just plan it right away. I know we won't have zen-shit this time but we don't have to hurry. If there are no blockers/showstoppers anymore there are little things that can be fixed. Vista will come out around begin 2007 and websites will compare both. Let's make sure we win the contest by having all those irritating little bugs smashed also (and certainly the big ones). We don't have to hurry, we have to deliver quality. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Excess bloat must be removed!
Op woensdag 23 augustus 2006 00:43, schreef Steve Barnhart: Second is the ridiculous amount of packages that are installed on first installation. Perhaps trim down default GNOME and KDE desktop choices like Ubuntu does (basically good packages from each, can install more later). The system after first boot shouldnt be more then 2GB imo. I know I can configure packages in Yast manually and I guess I'll probably just have to go through that annoying task for now on. Just like the KDE is going to do (http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE+4+Application+Cleanup). They are dumping/merging a lot of programs because they are 'the same'. But I know that the openSUSE-team wants to cut down de distribution to 3 cd's so I guess a lot of those double-packages will be dropped then. and Finally, and this is my big peeve. FIX THE FREAKIN MENUS! The organization takes WAY too much time and maybe it won't matter if slab is integrated but we do not need categories and then ANOTHER category and then 5 different web browsers! Basically we do not need second level categories and 5 different web browser and terminal apps (ESPECIALLY WHEN I SELECTED GNOME AS THE DE). Its ridiculous that when one selects the defaults that they are given 5-10 of everything. Please PLEASE PLEASE Clean it up! I think a lot of this comes with the package-cleanup but I agree that 2nd lever menu's are too-much. On the other hand: if you have a lot of packages it will be nice to have then in 2nd level organized. Maybe an idea to ask the KDE/Gnome-team to implement an option for that or only 2nd-level when more then 2 of the same 2nd-level-category are installed..? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: new discussion on what kind of patterns we should have
Having a defined CORE has its merits, Andreas Required (must have packages): .. yast2 yast2-bootloader yast2-core yast2-country etc etc May I ask why all YaST-packages are required. My cutlist is not great cause those packages are indeed required but why is ea yast2-dns-server required? Or am I walking on the wrong road? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Call for testing: upcoming smart 0.42
What is smart-ksmarttray? Thanks A small applet that show up in you're systray to inform you when there are updates. (like suseWatcher/Zen-thing). For KDE. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Malformed url Opera/Buildservice repos
Goodday everybody, who are we gonna blame for the fact that Opera is gonna complain about malformed url when you are browsing in a Build-service generated repository? ( ftp://ftp.skynet.be/pub/software.opensuse.org/ ) As soon as you click in the directory KDE: it is gonna complain. Solutions are using another browser of typing it yourself. Who are we gonna blame for this? The Buildservice-team or Opera? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] y2pmsh refresh hangs (is this a bug?)
Install the libzypp update via YaST Online Update, then reboot once ( to get zmd restarted nicely) and rug/zmd/you will work better. Ciao, Marcus I do allready have all updates but it all is still not 100% and y2pmsh does have this problem since I --started-- using it (around beta2). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
Here comes my view: At this point users will be confused. And that is not so weird. When I only look at how ZEN is fragmented: ZEN-remover ZEN-updater ZEN-installer Why in Earth aren't these together? It similar with having a Calculator with: the components: Calculate Decrease Calculate Increase Calculate Round === YaST2 was/is almost perfect. You can start the center: install, remove, update. It is a solid center for the packagemanagement. The only thing it misses is the patches that is handled by YOU/Watcher. We have to choose one solution. If we want ZEN (and it is bugfixed) we have to make a YaST2/ZEN combination. One center that does everything based on the options it gets. We have to combine the best of both worlds. YaST2 works fenomenal with searching thru information, selection on source and more. ZEN must not replace, but extend YaST2 in my opinion. For consolemode I recommend using rug and y2pmsh (second it more relaxed if you want to do a lot). And of course we just need to have yast like it is now. === Here comes my plan: - Combo Yast2/Zen (under Yast2) handles all GUI-package/patches-management. - rug and y2pmsh (rugsh) for CLI (replaces rpm) - yast ncurse - repodata will have to be downloaded once in total and after that only update-parts. (maybe some sort of system like in p2p that can download chunks of a total-file. Don't know if that is possible). - update check only haves to see the filesize then, to see if there are updates in that repo. That is a _lot_ faster I guess. - Maybe a sensor would be nice. If the user need CPU/Memory then the progress will pause/low prio. If the user is gonna work in Kwrite it can take some CPU/mMemory to do the parsing and stuff. -If you select a package and click 'Install this', YaST must know is just have to install without showing the big window. Just a little progressbar with a detail-tab would be nice (and it must be tray-able). - Patches/updates exactly the same. The icon in the tray gives a proper color of majority (just like Watcher did), you click, windows displays some options, update/patch all, done. === Yast2-center has to be cleaned. That is not a problem cause Yast is going to take over Patches also ;-) and some other things fit well under 1 name. - Software Management includes: install, remove, update, patch - Installation Sources Add-On product will be included as well as Patch CD. CD-check will be an option here. Does not make any sense to have it all separated. - Setup Online Update includes also Novell Customers bla bla... - Upgrade Suse-version -- dropped - Installation in a Directory: What? dump it somewhere only the experts can find it. Back to the basic. Back to the roots from Joe Avarage who does not understand/use a lot of options. If someone has a better way of ordering this please tell us Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Whilst I'm looking forward to RC2 ...
Op maandag 24 april 2006 08:14, schreef Ulrich Windl: On 1 Jan 2001 at 19:48, Azerion wrote: I guess you've been told meanwhile: Please fix your Date! Ulrich Allready did ;-) Otherwise all those keycheck go crazy about keys from the future :P Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Whilst I'm looking forward to RC2 ...
There is also no bugfree distribution (and there will perhaps never be one). So the release depends on the amount of open bugs and the severity of the bugs. And do not forget: we can see all the bugs now in a list. I can see a bug about fonts in yast that do not work correctly. Fonts I would never use/require, so I would not know the bug. Probably, if we used RC2 for release nobody would directly call it buggy. But when they see the list they all think: Sheiza, this is garbage. It is NOT. It looks slick, it sucks with Zenupdater (but hey, that's gnome-style ;-) ) but for Avarage Joe 10.1 makes live more easy then before. +10 for the dev-team! (and the wallpaper.so nice :P ) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Software-Updates Packman
Op vrijdag 14 april 2006 15:50, schreef Martin Soltau: Hi @ all, I just installed RC1 and I am quite impressed. Very good work! Unfortunately two / three things are not working and I don't know whether it's a user-thing or some tech stuff: 1) Online Update: I see the orange exclamation mark in the tray, but when I tell the system to update I get an error message saying either - Updating kaffeine-0.7.1-23.i586[System packages] to kaffeine-0.8.1-0.pm.0.i586[20060414-150517] There are no installable providers of libgstreamer-0.8.so.1 for kaffeine-0.8.1-0.pm.0.i586[20060414-150517] libxine1-1.1.1-14.pm.0.i686[20060414-150517] needed by kaffeine-0.8.1-0.pm.0.i586[20060414-150517] or (when I deselect kaffeine: - Package transaction failed, Installation aborted by User But i can guarantee I didn't abort anything... There are allready a lot of bugreports about it. So I guess its a known problem (and it sucks) 3) Packman: I am trying to load xine, mp3 and some other stuff from Packman. When I add a suse/10.1-Directory of any packman mirror to the installation sources (tried tu-ilmenau, uni-erlangen and packman.tu-bremen) I get some packages, but KDE-MP3-Support (kde-mad), libxine1and xine-ui are missing. Are they just not ready yet? Or have I missed something? Normally Packman was always a bit later then the SUSE linux-release. This time the began early but the repo is not fully filled yet. So no worries, it will come before or short after the official release. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Software-Updates Packman
Op zaterdag 15 april 2006 00:45, schreef houghi: On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 12:14:42AM +0200, Martin Soltau wrote: So: Do I have to reinstall everything??? I would always do a re-install to a machine. I would never trust a Alpha, Beta or RC to be installed on an operational machine. Even if I would later plan to do an upgrade to the full version, I would not let it do from Alpha, Beta or RC. With Alpha, Beta or RC I also understand that sometimes (frequent) re-installation might be needed, no matter what others say or experience. That is then the moment you start filing bugreports. houghi But after RC1 we can also test upgrading :-). That part has to be tested to, but upgrading from beta3 or 5/9 is not a good idea. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RC1, makeSUSEdvd, or my bad luck?
Op zaterdag 15 april 2006 02:41, schreef Tom Horsley: Just installed 10.1 RC1 from DVDs I made with latest and greatest makeSUSEdvd and create_package_descr, and now I see these package signing problems: If I run online update in yast, I always get a popup about this every time: The GnuPG key 'A84EDAE89C800ACA (SuSE Package Signing Key [EMAIL PROTECTED])' has been found. If I say import, or don't import, I still get the popup each time. Answering yes or no to this makes no difference, I get the same question again next time. I did go through the list of package groups and check just about everything when I installed. Perhaps some package is incorrectly signed in the RC1 media? Perhaps my disk had a boo-boo on that file? Just wondering if anyone else has seen the problem. Hard to find between all the other problems but yes: here the same. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Installation source operations take a lot of time
Op donderdag 13 april 2006 14:21, schreef Silviu Marin-Caea: While installation source management in RC1 is a definite improvement (like: it actually works), there's a usability issue: Whatever operation I do in YaST Installation Source, it takes a lot of time, and there's no progress bar, no please wait, no indication that it's not stuck. Just like Yast updates the sources without the popup from old-times. It's just like it is not gonna start. For example, after adding 2 sources from the internet and pressing Finish, it took 30+ minutes for the window to close. It is in any way a slow way, in the old days it took max 2 minutes and now it takes a livetime, can't this be reduced? I know that it must have been downloading repository metadata stuff from the internet, but the average user Joe will be very confused. Anyway, I suppose that this could be optimized later. I guess also that it can be optimezed later, but as you allready said: average user Joe will be very confused. and that is not a good thing. For example: reviewers don't know it about the metapack (and they should not) and they will say that it is awful slow and not user-friendlyopppss After you guys pull this release through, you'll be heroes. It has been epic :-) +10 ;-) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Product Registration?
We made really great progress the last 10 days, so it's only a small number of further changes (see opensuse-commit), Andreas That is clear. Very great progress you just feel that SUSE becomes usable and done. Little work to do still (have some bugreports still open :) ) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Product Registration?
I always use 'Product Registration' for setting up Zenupdater. After my reinstall I tried it to and now it fails with: No products to register What should i do? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Product Registration?
When should go out RC1? http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap That does not say anything ;-). Andreas, is the team gonna make it? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] New DepSolver?
Op donderdag 6 april 2006 14:40, schreef Philipp Wollermann: I finally decided to not use rug anymore until it is usable (reporting bugs though, as I find them) and use smart for all tasks. It handled this downgrading issue perfectly while yum did not. :) Philipp https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=164045 Tell Klaus about it. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Add-On icon kicked out
Seems that the 'Add-On Product' incons has been kicked out in last factory-package. It was just fixed, and now it is broken again? Can someone confirm or reject this bug (before I reopen it in Bugzilla) newer yast2 (2.13.41-3 / 2.13.42-2) yast2-core (2.13.19-3 / 2.13.20-2) yast2-theme-SuSELinux (2.13.5-2 / 2.13.5-2) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Houghi's project
Op dinsdag 4 april 2006 11:31, schreef houghi: On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 10:58:12AM +0200, Azerion wrote: How is you're xml-thing going? (switch topic :P ) Lousy. I just can't get the hang of XML. I am afraid I will have to give up on it, because my technical knowledge is not sufficent. After all this time I still don't have anything real to show for. houghi Why do you want it in XML anyway? Can't this be done with a proper database? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: makeSUSEdvd broken for beta9
Sorry, I wasn't root. Now y2pmsh does work. Will do another install-try. ps. Why can you start y2pmsh when you are no root? You can start it but you cannot use it, so why not a root-check? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] y2pmsh fails while upgrading
Don't know if I mailed this before but this happens sometimes when I try to upgrade: y2pmsh: auto refreshing sources newer: shows a lot of new packages upgrade: some packages installed fetching yast2-bootfloppy (71.2 kB) *** failed: ERROR(Media:file not found)[HTTP return code: 404 (URL: http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/i586/yast2-bootfloppy-2.13.33-2.i586.rpm)] ERROR(InstSrc:E_cancel_media) Maybe it is related to the fact that if a source does have newer packages and have to be updated, y2pmsh stops after it shower the message that the source is updated. If you have more then one and source 1 is updated, it just hangs there. You have to restart y2pmsh and the it shows that list 1 is up to date and continues with the other sources. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Wallpaper changed after update
It's me again, I have updated to factory and after the next boot my wallpaper was changed to default (nice!). However it is that nice, it was not supposed to be that way. Is something changed about the settings of KDE (means: is it normal that that happens) or is there something wrong? comment: I updated with y2pmsh and not with Yast2-Upgrade Computer or whatever it is called. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] State of 10.1 (Was: Re: [opensuse-factory] Conflicts only resolvable one by one?)
I'm currently trying to get an overview of where we are with SUSE Linux 10.1. If you have issues that you consider real showstoppers, please tell them here publically - with bugzilla numbers if possible. I'll read everything but won't have time to comment on it in as much details as appropriate - but will look at them. Once the anaconda installer started to probe for my hardware, my screen turned into a jumbled screen of garbage. In SUSE Linux 10.1 it is even worser for some pleople. I don't know how many people will have this problem but I have with my older hardware. I think I am pretty unique at this moment with that old hardware so maybe that's why there are not so many people complaining about. But I know there are a lot of Windows-users out there that want to try SUSE Linux and it wuld be a shame if this happend to them. bug id: 157376 link: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=157376 Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] YOU
I can't find your answer any more, but could it be solved before release, that one does not have to fix dependency problems one-by-one? It takes a lot more time and clicks and would give a much better overview of problems. A summary page with all problems would be much more efficient. Bye, We will not be able to do this for 10.1 :-( Andreas Seems to be a blocker that is ignored :-(. How much time is it gonna take to fix that so we have summary-pages again? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] YOU
Op vrijdag 24 maart 2006 13:56, schreef Robert Schiele: On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 01:27:51PM +0100, Azerion wrote: I can't find your answer any more, but could it be solved before release, that one does not have to fix dependency problems one-by-one? It takes a lot more time and clicks and would give a much better overview of problems. A summary page with all problems would be much more efficient. Bye, We will not be able to do this for 10.1 :-( Andreas Seems to be a blocker that is ignored :-(. How much time is it gonna take to This is not a blocker. It is annoying but not more. It does not prevent a user from installing the system or single packages. Do will call it annoying when you have 20 dependencies that you have to fix one by one? Trust me, a new or almost new SUSE Linux-user won't understand that thought. We want SUSE to be a distro for all people, we want to make it easy to usethis is not. If _this_ was considered a blocker then almost every bug would be one as well and you would _never_ ship a release. Yeah, cause all those little bugs are in the packagemanager that is the hart of the operating system...no? The hart of the system should be perfect and polished. Dependencies are allready difficult on their own for people that don't know anything or just a little about SUSE Linux. fix that so we have summary-pages again? Nobody knows in advance but you can just do a patch on your own and you will see how long it does take. Hahaha, not. Robert Do you even smile when you post? I allways tried not to reply on youre posts but it is becoming more then annoying that you always approach thing in the negative way. Try to contribute some post with positive comments :-D. Have to say that I admire you're work with you're repo. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] YOU
Almost new SUSE Linux user will just install with default selections without ever seeing dependency problems, won't he? For the first 3 days: yes. Sure we want a product to be usable in an easy way but _this_ bug is just not a bug that justifies to stop the world turning around. You don't reject a new car at your car dealer just because there is not enough air in the tires. It is quite annoying to drive a car that does not have enough air in the tires but you can easily work around the problem by filling more air into. No, but I will reject a car that won't start by turning the key once but only if you turn the key 5 times. It is not more than annoying but it does not give me faith in the rest of the car. Yeah, cause all those little bugs are in the packagemanager that is the hart of the operating system...no? The hart of the system should be perfect and Sure. And in a perfect world nobody should have to die and there should be no deseases, everybody is everybody's friend and the food should directly grow into your mouth. --- Unfortunately the world is far from perfect and there are some drawbacks. One of these drawbacks is that newly developed software has bugs that you have to live with until someone fixes them. Just declaring bugs that can be worked around as blockers does not move the world forward because it might happen that delaying the product might do more harm to people than living with some bugs they could work around. Sure. And because we live in an imperfect world where bugs exist and in a world that you can 'work around' we should not polish SUSE-releases. We just have to live with the problems and work around them. Who is harmed when 10.1 is delayed? What do you think is negative in my posts? The fact that my opinion is sometimes different from yours? No, the fact that it is alway like you have a bad mood. I mean: can't be serious abut that perfect-world story from you. But if this is helpful for you: :-)) Have to say that I admire you're work with you're repo. Thanks. Unfortunately my repository is not available without suffering from my comments on a regular basis. So if I stop using it you stop with the negative reactions? I stopped right away. Robert Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] State of 10.1 (Was: Re: [opensuse-factory] Conflicts only resolvable one by one?)
I'd like to add to this that I just tried to add factory to rug: rug sa --type=yum http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/ suse factory The progress bar stopped at 33% - but my harddisk, cpu and ram (512 megs) consumption ran amok - using at a time all my 500 megs of swap - I powered off after 20 minutes as I couldn't get it to stop - not even ctrl+alt+backspace would do it. Am I the only one to experience something like this? Did you ever ping the daemon? No, well you shouldn't. Even that takes minutes before it print some result. Adding a service will hang @ 33% for a log time and then finally completes. But it is not usefull in this way. So that is a blocker but I guess it will be in the list allready :D. Generally it seems to me that the packagemanager - whether using rug or yast is considerably slower and more ressource demanding than before - and it's not like it was blazingly fast then. Seesm to mme that Yast is still not doing the thing and even y2pmsh stops ATM while refreshing sources :/. When you have 5 sources you can update by havind them update automatically and killing the process 5 times to start it over and over again till all the sources are updated Lot of work to go but I see that the last 3 days some things are going a lot faster then before... Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] YaST becomes a mess with Novell AppArmor
Hello all, its me again. I made a mind-review of YaST and one thing really bothers me. Why is Novell AppArmor not under Security and placed with THAT name under the root-structure? Is it promotion or something? - The icon does not fit in the list. It is different then all the others, and that does not look nice. - We have 6 icons to do something with a profile. Can't those be bundled under one and ... be placed under Security? - Oops, it is not translated yet. Can there be a positive points mailinglist. I feel so dark when I can only post here with problems/discussion-material :D Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Conflicts only resolvable one by one?
Hi! I'd suggest not to release 10.1 unless ready. The damage of a bad release will chase away a lot of people from SuSE, and from Linux in general. The current state seems alpha to me: It's not clear what the final features should be, and it's still full with bugs. It would be a real surprise if all these bugs vanish automagically until release. Just my personal optinion. Regards, Ulrich Have to give this an +1, I am sorry. I have a busy life and cannot (not with my knowledge) post error-logs all the time. Some serious bugs are at this moment on-hold because another dude and I can't deliver those files fast enough (have little time today so I'll try). Concerning problems with internet-installation and PC-freeze when Setup tries to find my monitor-resolution. Even now, beta 8, my monitor goes blank at the end off the installation cause Sax2 is gonna find the resolution on it's own. Taking the libzypp/ZEN problems with it (and all those other bugs) and there is still a lot off work to do. Maybe reschedule does look bad when it hits the news, but having new users with broken systems and 200mb patches at new install does not look a good solution to me. Just my personal optinion. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Conflicts only resolvable one by one?
Fedora Core 5 is out and the first review is out, nice reviewfor Linux-experts. Every Windows-user will think twice or trice :D: http://lunapark6.com/?p=481 I hope SUSE won't have the same. There was enough glitches in the second install, that I can say if you have a Nvidia card or a motherboard with the Nvidia nForce chipset, you should look elsewhere for a linux o.s. or be prepared to do a fair amount of tweaking. Once the anaconda installer started to probe for my hardware, my screen turned into a jumbled screen of garbage. A minor pain but I --manually-- added the other operating systems to the grub menu after the installation was complete. These types of small quirks would definitely put off windows users trying out linux for the first time. Something tells me Fedora could have gone through a longer test cycle to iron out these quirks, Especially the last one I really don't want to see. I want 10.1 out, I really do. When I got beta3 I thought that it would be out in a month or so. I was on the edge everytime to see new things and see the improvements, so I am not lay back about the release. But the problems have to be solved before 10.1 is released. Otherwise I really have a -1 for SUSE Linux, despite my 100% fan-status. Azerion (smiling that SUSE is not the only one with problems) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Conflicts only resolvable one by one?
I chose to install xmms with yast sw (beta8) - apparently xmms depends on xmms-lib which is also installed. This is all very nice - except in earlier versions of SL you would be informed of dependencies before they're installed - enabling you to change your mind - or at least know what's going on before it's too late. Is this behaviour a bug or is it intended? - that dependencies are installed automatically without consulting the user beforehand. I prefer the old way. Though I'm aware that some users panic when yast asks them any questions whatsoever. Of course in the xmms case it's not important - but if I (or some other user) were to by accident install some GNOME-package and thus installaing 100s of megs of dependencies without warning it would be a problem. cb400f +1, it's really scary if Gnome comes around for some packages cause ir takes (most of the time) hunderd(s) mb of space so I really want to change my mind then :P Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] YaST - Software Management
The real question is this: Shouldn't it be asked before SuSEconfig runs? Regards, Ulrich That is an intersting question..Why is it the way it is now? Seems to be not a vital orderAnd this would probably better Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Show during installation
Note: You have to use the reply-button if you want to react within the mailing. Now we have 2 of them about the same subject. Original: Why so few sheets in the install? == And there's too much boring text in a fluvial manner! Like the gates of the word lake have yielded and words are overflowing. If you put up 10 lines of text of you can do a, and b, and c, and d, and e, and... people will not remember more than a and b, so the rest is wasted. Also a point that I wanted to complain about. I thought it was done by de Dutch translator but if this is the standardauch. You can contact with youre friends, organise youe bussiness, edit photographs, make presentation, etc etc etc Jut to much. I suggest to have more slides, but with less text each. The ammount doen't have to be changed. The content can be changed so there is more 'real info' Use bullets. One idea/program per slide. (don't say you can use gimp or kooka to edit photos in the same slide). Instead use a header Photo editing that remains unchanged and describe gimp and kooka in two consecutive slides. Pretty nice, or if we prefer one sheet you can summarize them with the own title above the summary. Pictures, screenshots of the program. YYup, the eye is requesting some pics. Some SVG animations would be uber cool. Also sound (that can be turned off by the user). I know that sound card detection and configuration is at the end of installation, but maybe there can be some separate auto-configuration, like the LiveDVD does it, especially to have sound during installation. How cool would it be to hear some music and explanations of the stuff shown on screen? You could even use a voice synthetiser, to keep the space requirements low. I thin that is a bit to much. We do not want an extra cd (they eventhink about decreasing it to 3! :/ ) The Next Slide button is a great idea. It is :) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Overload: parse-metadata
process: parse-metadata 600m virtual memory 194m memory (that makes about 50-65% of my memory) What does it do, when does it do it and why do we have a process that almost kills my PC? Really, you cant work with it being active. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] suse xp home sp2?
The same would also apply for python or bash scripts for example, which also run as python $somepath/program.py . No one complained here so far. .exe is only the logical consequence when you run apps which comes from a windows enviroment and there is .exe the right suffix. We know, but at this moment you know .exe, don use it it is for Windows. When we keep using .exe one day we have to be very carefull for seeing if it is an Windows-prog or a Linux-prog. Now you basicly can see it by looking at the suffix. What is the problem with removing the suffix? I mean, we can discuss this for hours and days but are there negative sides if we remove the suffix? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Auto detection screen-resolution for install
At this moment you can, in the install-bootscreen, select what resolution you want to use. As being a 'not total-noob' I know that I have to select the proper resolution for my screen. But I guess new users don't see that option and they end up with an install-screen that is to small (or deformed) and does have a refreshrate less then 60. We have to fix that problem, and there are a few options (maybe more then 2?): 1.) Auto-detection, don't know i that is possible but I assume so. 2.) A 'pop-up' question so people will set the proper resolution. 3.) Use 1024x768 as default. Most people will have a minimum resolution like that allready, but it would still not be 'the end' and 'final solution' /me is checking SUSE Linux as a noob ATM and things like this are not noob-friendly. ps. cannot test if setup auto-detects cause of a bug that is allready reported. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=157376 But seeing that option makes me assume it does not. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Auto detection screen-resolution for install
Op zaterdag 11 maart 2006 14:14, schreef Carl-Daniel Hailfinger: Azerion schrieb: At this moment you can, in the install-bootscreen, select what resolution you Right. Can!=must. But the default is much higher then my screen supports... I guess that the setup will use the setting you see does have a refreshrate less then 60. Very unlikely. You would have to spend considerable efforts trying to get that slow refresh rates. make it 64 and we have a deal? ;-) The screen resolution has been autodetected since years. And it worked for all of my beta installations on i386 and x86_64. I have different flat panels (1024x768, 1280x1024, 1400x1050 flat panel resolutions) and CRTs (mostly in either 1024x768 or 1600x1200) and the optimal resulution and refresh rate were always chosen. So the setup does not use the default setting from the bootscreen if it is not changed, or what? Regards, Carl-Daniel As I said, I cannot test it at the moment, so this can be trash. But wanted to be sure before we reach beta8 cause that would be a bit late to come up with something like this. I had once the problem with YaST using a resolution that was far to high as default...once But the thing is that what 'was' does not mean that is works 'at this moment'. I mean I never had the -only vesa-problem before and now it suddenly occurs... But if auto-detection works well, then there is not problem at all. Will wait for the only-vesa-fix so I can check if it works at my older computer :) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Having a touchpad and a trackball - only on set-up
It's me (again), Once I had a laptop and installed SUSE Linux 10.0. I used a trackball but it had also a touchpad. As being a left-handed user I tried to change the settings to 'left-handed'. Problem was that only one of the two (dont know which one) was set-up as being 'left-handed', the other was still 'right-handed'. Could someone check this in SUSE Linux 10.1? I do not have a laptop anymore. Things to check: 1.) Can you configure the touchpad and trackball seperated? 2.) If not (would be not so fine), is the change of settings applied to both of the devices? If not, we probably need a bugreport Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Releasesnotes before hardware Configuration
What other place would you place it? Perhaps they could be more to the beginning, just after the licence agreement. Add it to the slide show ;-) Ulrich Will we see the slideshow with an Network-install? I thought that when you network it that you do not see the slide-show.. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] suse xp home sp2?
I'm a bit put off by this for another reason; for such a significant change, I would have thought the openSUSE community would have been asked for input on the matter, which I did not see. Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin We have allready two points off that matter in the mailinglists: - no binaries in the kernel (just announced, not explained) - package-management change :( Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Why so few sheets in the install?
Don't promote anything that is not available. Otherwise I like the idea. Something for 10.2 perhaps. We just show what Linux can be like. People like to know that. They all have seen the images of Vista and Linux still does have the 'console-thing'-problem. A bit show-off is not that bad And for some users it is available. It should still not be too long and if there is real info, it should be available at a later moment after you have installed. Indeed, I forgot to post that. We have SUSE Help on the desktop, but maybe a little tutorial would be nicer. Just like the installer-thing. So what sort of tabs do we have? 1) slideshow 2) programs installing 3) Some readme files 4) Tetris 5) Mini SUSE users course 1+ 5 Mini SUSE users course can be combined with the slide-show I guess. Users have to be able to click 'next' themselves. Nothing is more annoying then have to wait till the next slide comes... 3.) We call that release-notes...for the peepz that are interested. 4.) Smile, and a soon if we have connection it uploads the score to the scorelist ;-). Check out how long some dudes will stay behind the desk if that happens. But tetris is not that much fun. Probably 'pong' will be better (and old-school addicting (can you say that?)). *Daddy + Kid * I am installing SUSE Linux kiddy, I will bring you to bed in a few minutes + I know that promise, what are you doing? * I am playing an old game, would you like to try + Sure...tick,,,ticktick + Hey this is fun. I like SUSE Linux. Should be about the maximum, unnless you would want something like DSL running. ;-) Hehehe, no way. Seriously, it would be nice to see if we can use the install time for anything else then it is used now. We are totally on the same line. Did some XML-devver allready volunteer? otherwise I can bumb it if you like ;-) houghi Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] suse xp home sp2?
On Thursday, March 09, 2006 at 12:31:08, Burkhard Carstens wrote: Ahm, zmd.exe? ZenUpdater.exe? You are kidding, right? Wow. We must do a really good job if everything you have to complain about are file suffixes ;-) Henne Hey, exe is related to windows/virus in my mind. I dont like the .exe suffix neither. Maybe we could use .mon instead ;-). Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] suse xp home sp2?
It doesn't really matter if Novell uses the MS .net initiative for own software products in a mixed environment. However, if software updates and distribution for any kind of linux product will _depend_ on mono or any other linux implementation of .net, people like me (former MD of Gartner Group) will help kill Novell Linux in marketplace. And very efficiently, believe me. But there is no need to get emotional here since Novell people are smart enough to exclude this risk, I am sure. ;-) FMF It doesn't really matter if people like FMF (former MD of Gartner Group) will help kill some Linux-distro's in marketplace. However, if he touches SUSE Linux or things that depends on it, people like me (Azerion, noob beta-tester that should not be doing that) will help kill FMF in real life. And very efficiently, believe me. Azerion :P - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] suse xp home sp2?
You must have better reasons to not like something. Otherwise its a rather dull statement that you hate microsoft. I like that from a emotional perspective. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. We against them. Youre my brother in arms. We will overthrow the big evil. Okey then, I linked wine to .exe cause .exe is related Windows as apple to fruit (but there IS 'apple' that you cant eat) :P And btw, Beagle is also .exe/mono and that is prooted as a 'large search engine for desktop-users'. Why could we not use another suffix for mono-apps? Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] suse xp home sp2?
Nothing in the software world deserves a death threat. No matter what happens with SUSE Linux, no one's life needs to be threatened for any reason whatsoever. Stan But sometimes a joke can make people smile. Maybe you should compare both posts ;-) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Releasesnotes before hardware Configuration
You asume people will read it if it were somewhere else. They don't, iiregardless of their training or level. I meant they will never read the releases-notes on the CD before they start the setup. I think 50% of the noob-peoplewill read the release-notes though if they show up during the setup. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] suse xp home sp2?
KDE! GNOME! KDE! GNOME! Please start another mailing then I can simply deny it in Kmail. Thank you. Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Adding Factory Repo using rug
Thanks Adrian What is the best way to update beta6 from the factory tree then? Sorry if this is on the wiki but I can't find it. Good question, cause everything is broken (and when it is all broken trying to trace the bug is not worth it anymore. Could someone do a fresh install and log everything the computer does, cause all managers are broken as soon if *something* goes wrong. rug can add only once a yum-source and then it is 'kaput', but we kow yum is broken, yast and y2pmsh doe not handle added repos well (yast does not add them and hangs when you try to do so, and y2pmsh cannot be uses for upgrading === 0: [x] SUSE LINUX Version 10.0.42 (http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source) cmd: upgrade (cmd: solve) cmd:commit Installing from 'SUSE LINUX Version 10.0.42', media nr. 1 fetching rug (111.8 kB) ... *** failed: ERROR(InstSrc:E_skip_media) ERROR(InstSrc:E_cancel_media) 0 packages installed === Azerion (and no I do not complain, cause I should not use a beta. That's the same reason I do not fill in a bugreport. Will do so when 8 is out and then I will test as 'noob user' for little things) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Adding Factory Repo using rug
Op donderdag 9 maart 2006 00:59, schreef Joseph M. Gaffney: and y2pmsh cannot be uses for upgrading Why not? I did, when I couldn't use other means. Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin I reported the output under it, ill install beta6 fresh tommorow and keep it that way :D. Trying to use Zen-updater was too much :D Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.1 Beta6 is ready
Fixed list: Download URLs for the torrents of the DELTA-ISOs: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-i386.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-ppc.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-x86_64.torrent Download URLs for the torrents of the ISOs: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-i386.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-ppc.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-x86_64.torrent Download URLs for the full Delta ISOs: x86 architecture (Intel 32-bit) architecture: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-i386-CD1.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-i386-CD2.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-i386-CD3.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-i386-CD4.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-i386-CD5.delta.iso For x86-64 (AMD64 / EM64T) 64-bit architecture: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-x86_64-CD1.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-x86_64-CD2.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-x86_64-CD3.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-x86_64-CD4.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso For PowerPC architecture: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-ppc-CD1.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-ppc-CD2.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-ppc-CD3.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-ppc-CD4.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-ppc-CD5.delta.iso Download URLs for the full ISOs: x86 architecture (Intel 32-bit) architecture: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-i386-CD1.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-i386-CD2.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-i386-CD3.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-i386-CD4.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-i386-CD5.iso For x86-64 (AMD64 / EM64T) 64-bit architecture: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-x86_64-CD1.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-x86_64-CD2.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-x86_64-CD3.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-x86_64-CD4.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-x86_64-CD5.iso For PowerPC architecture: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-ppc-CD1.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-ppc-CD2.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-ppc-CD3.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-ppc-CD4.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-ppc-CD5.iso - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Fixed download-urls beta 6
Andreas is doing a good job, but as we sometimes little things are going just a bit wrong. The iso's use SUSE-Linux instead of SL. So here is the proper list. Azerion === Download URLs for the torrents of the DELTA-ISOs: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-i386.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-ppc.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-x86_64.torrent Download URLs for the torrents of the ISOs: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-i386.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-ppc.torrent http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-x86_64.torrent Download URLs for the full Delta ISOs: x86 architecture (Intel 32-bit) architecture: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-i386-CD1.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-i386-CD2.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-i386-CD3.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-i386-CD4.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-i386-CD5.delta.iso For x86-64 (AMD64 / EM64T) 64-bit architecture: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-x86_64-CD1.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-x86_64-CD2.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-x86_64-CD3.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-x86_64-CD4.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-x86_64-CD5.delta.iso For PowerPC architecture: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-ppc-CD1.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-ppc-CD2.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-ppc-CD3.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-ppc-CD4.delta.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/delta-iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta5_beta6-ppc-CD5.delta.iso Download URLs for the full ISOs: x86 architecture (Intel 32-bit) architecture: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-i386-CD1.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-i386-CD2.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-i386-CD3.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-i386-CD4.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-i386-CD5.iso For x86-64 (AMD64 / EM64T) 64-bit architecture: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-x86_64-CD1.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-x86_64-CD2.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-x86_64-CD3.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-x86_64-CD4.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-x86_64-CD5.iso For PowerPC architecture: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-ppc-CD1.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-ppc-CD2.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-ppc-CD3.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-ppc-CD4.iso http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.1-beta6/iso/SUSE-Linux-10.1-beta6-ppc-CD5.iso - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.1 Beta6 is ready (revised)
Maybe it is an idea to fix the announcement at the web also :D. Some links do link to SUSE-Linux and some only to SUSE http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-announce/2006-Mar/0002.html Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.1 Beta6 is ready
Congratz, the most annoying buglist is a lot shorter this time. Grz, Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux Schedule
Op vrijdag 3 maart 2006 08:18, schreef Ulrich Windl: On 2 Mar 2006 at 15:37, Andreas Jaeger wrote: RC1 will be followed by several release candidates. We will only put out the FACTORY tree and delta ISOs during the RC phase. Hi, this staement is absolutely confusing to me: Does it mean RC release WILL be visible, or does it mean they will NOT? Or what does put out refer to? No beta images? Regards, Ulrich There won't be full-RC-iso's (maybe only RC1?). Cause RC should not have blockers and other enormeous bugs there won't be fixed huge things and it would be a waste off bandwidth to spread everytime full iso's (if only 3 packages changed or so). But the packages will come into the factory tree so I think you can easily upgrade/update the packages. And there are delta-iso's too. But that's what I think ;-) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] XML File for repositories
Op woensdag 1 maart 2006 10:45, schreef houghi: On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 08:57:25AM +0100, Ulrich Windl wrote: On 1 Mar 2006 at 0:25, houghi wrote: Again, I have no real experience with XML, so I have no idea how to get to what you are talking about above. The PLEASE, visit http://www.w3c.org/ and learn XML before you design!!! If I would do that, this whole process will come to a standstill. I have looked into XML and could not figure it out. That is the reason I asked people with a lot more insight and experience. houghi And I only wanted to show that using a good structure probably will decrease the amount of double info. I have exams so I don't sleep a lot and @ 2:00am it all went wrong (so the replies about de are alleready outdated cause I fixed it within an hour ;-) ) But hey, the topic was almost closed and LOOK, there are some experts that can help houghi! I will back off (cause I don't know shit about XML :P, but there are enough guys that houghi can contact cause they showed that they have experience) Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] XML File for repositories
Hey, there is an method for designing databases the best way. Maybe you should take a look at that cause it causes the most efficient way of datahandling. Check this :D Product table: 1 | Cookies | 4$ 2 | Milk| 50ct 3 | Potatoes| 4$ 4 | Cola| 50ct 5 | Water | 50ct 6 | Beer| 50ct As you can see, there is a lot of the same info in it (50ct). So a database like the next one would be better: Product table: 1 | Cookies 2 | Milk 3 | Potatoes 4 | Cola 5 | Water 6 | Beer ProductPrices table: 50ct| 2,4,5,6 4$ | 1,3 I know you do not design a database-structure but maybe it helps a hand anyway. Make sure there is not much 'the same text' in the file. But dont make it unreadable either :D. Maybe trying to style the xml like a ftp-directory is the best way? be skynet ftp.skynet.be ftp http pub/ftp.opensuse.org/opensuse/distribution/ 10.0 i386 delta-iso inst_source i586 delta-iso inst_source 10.1 i386 delta-iso inst_source i586 delta-iso inst_source packman.mirrors.skynet.be ftp http pub/packman i386 i586 belnet ... de gwdg ftp etc - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] XML File for repositories
Again, I have no real experience with XML, so I have no idea how to get to what you are talking about above. houghi I dont have that neither: The key is to prevent double info. Things that don't change have to be in the top of the structure. It is stupid to have a line about the FTP-address every time while it is clear that the skynet-tree -always- uses ftp.skynet.be. This: 10.0 ftp ftp.skynet.be /pub/suse/distribution/ i386 i586 10.1 ftp ftp.skynet.be /pub/suse/distribution/ i386 i586 Can also be written as: ftp.skynet.be ftp /pub/suse/distribution/ 10.0 i386 i586 10.1 i386 i586 As you can see, the 2nd does contain the same information but it is more effective. It is still logical if you 'read' the tree, so it is not a hard way to code it this way. (that last one could be-386 and under that 10.0 and 10.1 but that would make it a lot harder to code/use and then 10.0 and 10.1 would be repeated in i586 and i686 anyway. Choices have to be made, solutions have to be found.) Don't have a lot of time at the moment but will have in a while (1 or 2 weeks). Maybe can design a structure that does the job nicely :D Azerion - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
