Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
The root of the problem seems to be, that all homes are on nfs and users are allowed to login multiple times on the same box (e.g. localhost:0 and localhost:2 (F9)) I'm gone to the "root" of the problem for a bugreport: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510137 Andreas Jaeger schrieb: > Bart Whiteley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> I think there are some beagle bugs, possibly triggered by certain file >> types or file system layout, that cause beagle to spin out of control. >> I have two boxes running 10.3. One of them runs beagle all the time, >> and I don't notice it. If I did notice it, I would certainly disable it >> because this laptop is my main system and I don't really even use beagle >> that much. On the other box running 10.3, whenever I reboot I'm quickly >> reminded to go shut down beagle because the fans on that box will crank >> up and make lots of noise as beagle is stuck at 99% CPU usage (even if >> left running overnight). >> > > If you - or anybody with this problem - could figure out why this > occurs, e.g. what file it indexes, and create a bug report such that > others can reproduce it, it would be really great! > > Andreas > -- Joachim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
Bart Whiteley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think there are some beagle bugs, possibly triggered by certain file > types or file system layout, that cause beagle to spin out of control. > I have two boxes running 10.3. One of them runs beagle all the time, > and I don't notice it. If I did notice it, I would certainly disable it > because this laptop is my main system and I don't really even use beagle > that much. On the other box running 10.3, whenever I reboot I'm quickly > reminded to go shut down beagle because the fans on that box will crank > up and make lots of noise as beagle is stuck at 99% CPU usage (even if > left running overnight). If you - or anybody with this problem - could figure out why this occurs, e.g. what file it indexes, and create a bug report such that others can reproduce it, it would be really great! Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgp4uIH2EUbxm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
Hello, on Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2008, JP Rosevear wrote: ... > Before this goes on and on like the opensuse@ thread, I propose that > I (being someone interested in the beagle decision and somewhat > responsible for its packaging) put together a summary of the issues > real/perceived, known bugs and a list of the options. I should be > able to do this sometime next week. Good idea, the thread got too long already, and probably there won't be a perfect solution[tm]. Besides that, I propose to have a separate pattern for beagle and all its related packages (pattern title: "Desktop search"). This way, it would be easy for everybody to choose if he wants to install beagle or not. And no, I won't vote for or against beagle here ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- Und wenn du denkst dich mag niemand mehr, dann kommt der Christopher und siggt dich sehr. [Christopher Splinter in dag°] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 18:44 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote: > FYI, 0.3.2 will be available in Factory next week probably. That's nice to hear, thanks! This is the part from changelog I like best: * Many speed and memory performance improvements in both indexing and searching throughout the code. :) Cheers! -- Igor Jagec signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 00:34 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: > On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 14:43 -0600, Hans Petter Jansson wrote: > > > > BTW I've noticed that it indexes fewer file formats than GDS (which is > > > one of the reasons why I use GDS), but I'll test it on Factory anyway. > > > On my openSUSE 10.3 I'll keep using GDS for now. > > Ok, but I think he meant that GDS indexes fewer file formats than > > Beagle :) > > Whoops... :o) > > I see it's been a very long time since I've played with Beagle last, and > now is right time to test it on my Factory installation :) FYI, 0.3.2 will be available in Factory next week probably. -JP -- JP Rosevear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Novell, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 14:43 -0600, Hans Petter Jansson wrote: > > BTW I've noticed that it indexes fewer file formats than GDS (which is > > one of the reasons why I use GDS), but I'll test it on Factory anyway. > > On my openSUSE 10.3 I'll keep using GDS for now. > Ok, but I think he meant that GDS indexes fewer file formats than > Beagle :) Whoops... :o) I see it's been a very long time since I've played with Beagle last, and now is right time to test it on my Factory installation :) -- Igor Jagec signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 19:25 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 19:26 -0600, Hans Petter Jansson wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 01:53 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: > > > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 14:59 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:48 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: > > > > > Me too. I use Google Desktop Search because it is more mature tool and > > > > > consumes less CPU power. > > > > Its also indexes far less last time I checked. > > > That's nice to hear, thanks! I'll test it on Factory over the weekend. > > I suspect that what JP is saying, is that it indexes far fewer file > > formats, not that its indexer runs faster. At least, that's how I read > > it. It looks like you read it differently, since your reply is so > > positive :) > Yep, I've read it differently :( > > BTW I've noticed that it indexes fewer file formats than GDS (which is > one of the reasons why I use GDS), but I'll test it on Factory anyway. > On my openSUSE 10.3 I'll keep using GDS for now. Ok, but I think he meant that GDS indexes fewer file formats than Beagle :) -- Hans Petter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 16:59 -0800, Joe Sloan wrote: > Not to sound a discordant note, but I found that with google desktop > running, thunderbird (and some other apps I can't recall off hand) would > not start. Thunderbird works just fine with GDS on my openSUSE 10.3. > Once I saw that stopping google desktop fixed the problem, I > didn't troubleshoot further due to lack of time/interest. It would be very interesting to see what stops it running since it works just fine with GDS on my machine. I've never experienced any problem with GDS so far. Maybe I was just lucky, I don't know. Cheers! -- Igor Jagec signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 19:26 -0600, Hans Petter Jansson wrote: > On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 01:53 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 14:59 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote: > > > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:48 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: > > > > Me too. I use Google Desktop Search because it is more mature tool and > > > > consumes less CPU power. > > > Its also indexes far less last time I checked. > > That's nice to hear, thanks! I'll test it on Factory over the weekend. > I suspect that what JP is saying, is that it indexes far fewer file > formats, not that its indexer runs faster. At least, that's how I read > it. It looks like you read it differently, since your reply is so > positive :) Yep, I've read it differently :( BTW I've noticed that it indexes fewer file formats than GDS (which is one of the reasons why I use GDS), but I'll test it on Factory anyway. On my openSUSE 10.3 I'll keep using GDS for now. Cheers! -- Igor Jagec signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M9. schreef: > > > It is such a drag, not to be able to use the mouse.. :-( - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.24-rc7-git5-2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha0 KDE: 3.5.8 "release 34" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkeQZT0ACgkQX5/X5X6LpDgOTgCbBMCOY67dmBihd4mANg1V4006 0R0AoLn0AkidcA1wbVOJqgU83/u3+lhy =f4c9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Jäger schreef: > The problem is that this whole Beagle-debate that we had in the early > days quickly turned into a question of belief. Some swear Beagle is the > root of all evi... ah, slowness, some don't see what the fuss is all > about. > > And we have/had the 'initial indexing' problem where people deinstall > Beagle directly after installation which of course gives them a > speed-up. But they (so is my opinion) would have experienced the same if > they'd just waited it out. > > So, agreeing with Rajko M., unless a credible source provides benchmarks > that show a _considerable_ performance-drawback caused by Beagle, I > think there is no objective reason to dump it from the default > installation. > > Greets, > Chris Over here Beagled uses 0.7 % CPU, and 0.1% Memory. You do not even notice it is there. I agree with all those people about the start index with beagle, is realy disastrous. It is such a drag, not to be able touse the mouse.. :-( But if all is indexed, it just has to keep up with what is added to it.. It might be not bad idea, to give beagle only to work in the background, and full, when no other activity is present, like 'away from pc', no mouse movements for 'x' minutes, like screensaver.. But whenever the user moves, it must imediately stop the activities, and go low profile. I find it amazing to see, how fast, and the kind of info it comes with... I think it is a usefull toy, and not only for them who have 'all their files organised'.. like me.. ;-) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.24-rc7-git5-2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha0 KDE: 3.5.8 "release 34" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkeQV3sACgkQX5/X5X6LpDhO3gCcCKzskds2xC1d5oMgkBP721bz VRQAoMDu6EN8CS1Fdj1LRfiKfMFtbuaV =aEC1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 09:11:00PM +, peter nikolic wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2008, Christian Jäger wrote: > > It is perfectly normal that an indexing tool is especially active when > > building an initial index. Whoever doesn't have the patience to wait > Beagle should be an OPTION not a preset thing . > > I would think very few people using Opensuse on the desktop either at work or > at home do not need Beagle and prefere a faster more responsive machine to > one that is faffing around building an unwanted index of some form , As for > Mac users nuff said . My gripes with beagle are just two: 1) It tends to use quite a lot of disk space (at least during its initial run) even it the disk is almost full, resulting in 100% disk usage. 2) It runs even when my laptop is running on battery shortening battery life. I don't think that either point is something that most users have problems with/care about so my solution to my problems was: I removed all beagle packages from my system and added *beagle* to /etc/zypper/locks. I'm running factory. Ciao Joerg -- Joerg Mayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We are stuck with technology when what we really want is just stuff that works. Some say that should read Microsoft instead of technology. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 19:26 -0600, Hans Petter Jansson wrote: > On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 01:53 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 14:59 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:48 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: > > > > Me too. I use Google Desktop Search because it is more mature tool and > > > > consumes less CPU power. > > > > Its also indexes far less last time I checked. > > > That's nice to hear, thanks! I'll test it on Factory over the weekend. > > I suspect that what JP is saying, is that it indexes far fewer file > formats, not that its indexer runs faster. At least, that's how I read > it. It looks like you read it differently, since your reply is so > positive :) Yes, fewer file formats is what I meant. -JP -- JP Rosevear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Novell, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 01:53 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 14:59 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:48 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: > > > Me too. I use Google Desktop Search because it is more mature tool and > > > consumes less CPU power. > > Its also indexes far less last time I checked. > That's nice to hear, thanks! I'll test it on Factory over the weekend. I suspect that what JP is saying, is that it indexes far fewer file formats, not that its indexer runs faster. At least, that's how I read it. It looks like you read it differently, since your reply is so positive :) -- Hans Petter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
Igor Jagec wrote: > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 14:59 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote: > >> On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:48 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: >>> Me too. I use Google Desktop Search because it is more mature tool and >>> consumes less CPU power. >> Its also indexes far less last time I checked. > > That's nice to hear, thanks! I'll test it on Factory over the weekend. Not to sound a discordant note, but I found that with google desktop running, thunderbird (and some other apps I can't recall off hand) would not start. Once I saw that stopping google desktop fixed the problem, I didn't troubleshoot further due to lack of time/interest. Just a data point FYI Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 14:59 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote: > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:48 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: > > Me too. I use Google Desktop Search because it is more mature tool and > > consumes less CPU power. > Its also indexes far less last time I checked. That's nice to hear, thanks! I'll test it on Factory over the weekend. Cheers! -- Igor Jagec signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
Patrick Shanahan wrote: > Might be, and I *am* less demanding. The most I do is process > 60K > 10MB raw images for web display while serving my own email and web > site and listening to web-fm radio. Oh, and administering remotely 2 > openSUSE boxes and 8 windoz machines. You do all that on your desktop? Interesting. Even so, those types of tasks don't seem to require smooth low latency operation, as long as the throughput is acceptable. Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Joe Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-17-08 18:01]: > It could well be that you are not nearly as demanding of your computer > as other are. For some of us, having the computer go comatose for a few > hundred milliseconds is absolutely unacceptable, while you might not > even notice. > > Those who do multimedia or gaming, especially, are the type who will > most likely find beagle an unacceptable drag on performance and remove it. > > Those who use the computer only for less demanding tasks, such as > reading email, browsing the web or writing the occasional document, may > not see any problem with beagle and wonder what all the fuss is about. Might be, and I *am* less demanding. The most I do is process > 60K 10MB raw images for web display while serving my own email and web site and listening to web-fm radio. Oh, and administering remotely 2 openSUSE boxes and 8 windoz machines. But I do not game `:^) - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHj+KvClSjbQz1U5oRAkaIAJ94i9kx3GU/HOxPJL/rTKBKjfdBrACbBYrD YCFkgLveN+I9rFXo1APYOlQ= =RQ1w -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
Patrick Shanahan wrote: > ps: I have three machines, 10.1 and 2 10.3, w/o *any* problems. It could well be that you are not nearly as demanding of your computer as other are. For some of us, having the computer go comatose for a few hundred milliseconds is absolutely unacceptable, while you might not even notice. Those who do multimedia or gaming, especially, are the type who will most likely find beagle an unacceptable drag on performance and remove it. Those who use the computer only for less demanding tasks, such as reading email, browsing the web or writing the occasional document, may not see any problem with beagle and wonder what all the fuss is about. Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
Clayton wrote: > Now.. if that was consistent for everyone, it would point to a problem > with Beagle, but there are people here saying it works great, and they > can't imagine being without it. > > We have a group on one side who have real issues with Beagle... and on > the other, a group who have no issues at all. The group who find it > kills all system performance want it removed.. or at the very least, > an opt-in option at install... the others think we're crazy... that > we're whining... that we're trolling etc. It's a no win situation. > > I don't know what else to say... and I won't keep commenting here > beyond this email... I'm willing to give Beagle a try now and then... > as I do with all software included in the default install. I don't > hate it.. I don't love it either. What I would like to understand is > why there is a significant number of us that have real issues with it > when it runs... even after a reasonable time for indexing... even when > using the latest build... or at least the build that came with the > 10.3 release ISOs. > I think there are some beagle bugs, possibly triggered by certain file types or file system layout, that cause beagle to spin out of control. I have two boxes running 10.3. One of them runs beagle all the time, and I don't notice it. If I did notice it, I would certainly disable it because this laptop is my main system and I don't really even use beagle that much. On the other box running 10.3, whenever I reboot I'm quickly reminded to go shut down beagle because the fans on that box will crank up and make lots of noise as beagle is stuck at 99% CPU usage (even if left running overnight). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
> (being someone interested in the beagle decision and somewhat > responsible for its packaging) put together a summary of the issues > real/perceived, known bugs and a list of the options. I should be able > to do this sometime next week. This would be very interesting (at least to me). the problem with Beagle that some of us are having could very well be down to perception... myself included. Maybe there is a clue in there that can be used to change the default behavior of Beagle... like for example to limit it's indexing particularly immediately after install... and so on... Ooops, I said I wasn't going to send any more messages on this topic :-) C. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
The problem is that this whole Beagle-debate that we had in the early days quickly turned into a question of belief. Some swear Beagle is the root of all evi... ah, slowness, some don't see what the fuss is all about. And we have/had the 'initial indexing' problem where people deinstall Beagle directly after installation which of course gives them a speed-up. But they (so is my opinion) would have experienced the same if they'd just waited it out. So, agreeing with Rajko M., unless a credible source provides benchmarks that show a _considerable_ performance-drawback caused by Beagle, I think there is no objective reason to dump it from the default installation. Greets, Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 22:57 +0100, Christian Jäger wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 17.01.2008, 21:11 + schrieb peter nikolic: > > On Thursday 17 January 2008, Christian Jäger wrote: > > > It is perfectly normal that an indexing tool is especially active when > > > building an initial index. Whoever doesn't have the patience to wait > > Beagle should be an OPTION not a preset thing . > > > > I would think very few people using Opensuse on the desktop either at work > > or > > at home do not need Beagle and prefere a faster more responsive machine to > > one that is faffing around building an unwanted index of some form > > . > Again, I strongly doubt that; few people are properly organized (I'm > not), otherwise Google Desktop wouldn't be the success it is. Before this goes on and on like the opensuse@ thread, I propose that I (being someone interested in the beagle decision and somewhat responsible for its packaging) put together a summary of the issues real/perceived, known bugs and a list of the options. I should be able to do this sometime next week. One note is that there really hasn't been a precedent for discussing distro changes like this in public, its generally been up to "the powers that be" - either the team leads or developers at Novell for various components or coolo/aj to make this decision so this is kind of a change. -JP -- JP Rosevear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Novell, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Clayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-17-08 17:06]: ... > Now.. if that was consistent for everyone, it would point to a problem > with Beagle, but there are people here saying it works great, and they > can't imagine being without it. > > We have a group on one side who have real issues with Beagle... and on > the other, a group who have no issues at all. The group who find it > kills all system performance want it removed.. or at the very least, > an opt-in option at install... the others think we're crazy... that > we're whining... that we're trolling etc. It's a no win situation. > > I don't know what else to say... and I won't keep commenting here > beyond this email... I'm willing to give Beagle a try now and then... > as I do with all software included in the default install. I don't > hate it.. I don't love it either. What I would like to understand is > why there is a significant number of us that have real issues with it > when it runs... even after a reasonable time for indexing... even when > using the latest build... or at least the build that came with the > 10.3 release ISOs. > > It's something I can't solve personally... nor will it be resolved > with endless debates on the mailing lists. No, that is correct. The solution will be accomplished by those having problems bug reporting and providing substance. All the debate in the email forums only heightens tempers and leads to frustrated rants. Report the bugs and affect a remedy! ps: I have three machines, 10.1 and 2 10.3, w/o *any* problems. - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHj9KnClSjbQz1U5oRAkWjAJ9fUm5p4TWNhgRrriVbDtXNSP8tuACfcyGv YCxUCa/VL29wDHmWWPv6vjU= =cLRZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
> We had almost endless discussion in [EMAIL PROTECTED] It did kind of get out of hand... granted a few participants were more interested in inflammatory remarks. > nasty resource hog. That contradicts my experience, but except taking under > loop google results, where it showed mix of obsolete articles and opinions, I > had no much tools to prove my point that beagle is not a problem, at least > not in that many cases. I really don't understand that. My experience with Beagle has always been negative. Everyone I know (personally, not through mailing lists) who runs openSUSE also has the same experience. I was chatting with a friend yesterday about his computer. He mentioned that he had installed openSUSE10.3 about 2 weeks ago, and was commenting on the performance... how frustratingly slow it was at times. I suggested (from my own experience) that he stop and/or remove Beagle and see of that made any difference. He removed it and immediately the computer started working better. This was after Beagle was running for about 2 weeks. This fits in with my personal experiences... even after more than enough time for it to index. Same issue with my brother's computer.. an install with at least a week up constant uptime and he was having performance issues... especially while gaming... all resolved by removing Beagle. Now.. if that was consistent for everyone, it would point to a problem with Beagle, but there are people here saying it works great, and they can't imagine being without it. We have a group on one side who have real issues with Beagle... and on the other, a group who have no issues at all. The group who find it kills all system performance want it removed.. or at the very least, an opt-in option at install... the others think we're crazy... that we're whining... that we're trolling etc. It's a no win situation. I don't know what else to say... and I won't keep commenting here beyond this email... I'm willing to give Beagle a try now and then... as I do with all software included in the default install. I don't hate it.. I don't love it either. What I would like to understand is why there is a significant number of us that have real issues with it when it runs... even after a reasonable time for indexing... even when using the latest build... or at least the build that came with the 10.3 release ISOs. It's something I can't solve personally... nor will it be resolved with endless debates on the mailing lists. C - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
Am Donnerstag, den 17.01.2008, 21:11 + schrieb peter nikolic: > On Thursday 17 January 2008, Christian Jäger wrote: > > It is perfectly normal that an indexing tool is especially active when > > building an initial index. Whoever doesn't have the patience to wait > Beagle should be an OPTION not a preset thing . > > I would think very few people using Opensuse on the desktop either at work or > at home do not need Beagle and prefere a faster more responsive machine to > one that is faffing around building an unwanted index of some form > . Again, I strongly doubt that; few people are properly organized (I'm not), otherwise Google Desktop wouldn't be the success it is. If responsiveness and speed are the only qualities we are looking for in a distribution, then we should throw out Tomboy first because it slows down startup of GNOME considerably - oh yeah; and GNOME main-menu. Don't misunderstand me, I love Tomboy - but please understand that your own usage of a computer might not be the typical case. And, as said, there are features in openSUSE which have a much more negative impact on machine responsiveness than Beagle. Ultimately you have to decide whether you want a feature-oriented distribution or a slim and speedy distribution. SUSE has always tended to be feature-oriented, and that is why I am using it. Greets, Chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Thursday 17 January 2008, Christian Jäger wrote: > It is perfectly normal that an indexing tool is especially active when > building an initial index. Whoever doesn't have the patience to wait Beagle should be an OPTION not a preset thing . I would think very few people using Opensuse on the desktop either at work or at home do not need Beagle and prefere a faster more responsive machine to one that is faffing around building an unwanted index of some form , As for Mac users nuff said . Pete . -- People may not like my thoughts so what as the saying in that strange TV program goes" Am i Bothered " i think not i am a human i have a right to my thoughts and opinions . SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Thursday 17 January 2008 02:37:40 pm Christian Jäger wrote: > It is perfectly normal that an indexing tool is especially active when > building an initial index. Whoever doesn't have the patience to wait > this out and instead uninstalls Beagle instantly cannot really say > anything about its footprint or usefulness IMHO. > > Apple users, for example, just _know_ that their search-tool (Sherlock > or whatever it's called) put quite a load on in the beginning. > > I think removing Beagle would mean a serious regression. Someone that knows about search tools and required properties should create benchmarks or anything like that. We had almost endless discussion in [EMAIL PROTECTED] with bunch of opinions, and even google search results that should confirm that beagle is nasty resource hog. That contradicts my experience, but except taking under loop google results, where it showed mix of obsolete articles and opinions, I had no much tools to prove my point that beagle is not a problem, at least not in that many cases. I can agree that Beagle is development version, with bugs that can make it chase its tail, but I really can't see, in last couple of months, that it hogs resources. I had literally no 99% CPU usage where beagle would be the culprit, so I can't confirm any claim that tells so. What is needed is some comparative study, with numbers that will describe real situation. -- Regards, Rajko - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It is perfectly normal that an indexing tool is especially active when building an initial index. Whoever doesn't have the patience to wait this out and instead uninstalls Beagle instantly cannot really say anything about its footprint or usefulness IMHO. Apple users, for example, just _know_ that their search-tool (Sherlock or whatever it's called) put quite a load on in the beginning. I think removing Beagle would mean a serious regression. Just my 2 Cents. Chris Am Donnerstag, den 17.01.2008, 15:30 -0500 schrieb Hubert Figuiere: > > > Me too. I use Google Desktop Search because it is more mature tool and > > > consumes less CPU power. > > > > Its also indexes far less last time I checked. > > Not counting that we can't even fix it because it is non-Free software. > > > Hub > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Me too. I use Google Desktop Search because it is more mature tool and > > consumes less CPU power. > > Its also indexes far less last time I checked. Not counting that we can't even fix it because it is non-Free software. Hub - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:48 +0100, Igor Jagec wrote: > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:31 +0100, Andreas Vetter wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: > > > I for myself always uninstall it after the setup... bu I learnt to > ... > > I also uninstall it on every machine > > Me too. I use Google Desktop Search because it is more mature tool and > consumes less CPU power. Its also indexes far less last time I checked. -JP -- JP Rosevear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Novell, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:14 +0100, Joachim Reichelt wrote: > Hi, > > can anyone tell me any reson for installing beagle? > All I see is garbage on ~/.beage and endless/uncounted beagled-helper > (we are using nfs) > Just now a system run out of memory only by these uncountable number of > beagled-helper jobs There seem to be some issues with nfs in 10.3 at least, please file a bug. -JP -- JP Rosevear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Novell, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
Il giovedì 17 gennaio 2008, Rafał Miłecki scrisse: > 2008/1/17, Joachim Reichelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > can anyone tell me any reson for installing beagle? > > All I see is garbage on ~/.beage and endless/uncounted > > beagled-helper (we are using nfs) > > Just now a system run out of memory only by these uncountable > > number of beagled-helper jobs > > I do remove this on every computer I installed openSUSE. This eats > too much CPU/memory. Me too. /dev/brain works well here, with a lot of ram avaible :) Please, don't start beagle/strigi/tracker/ by default.. Bye. -- *** Linux user # 198661 ---_ ICQ 33500725 *** *** Home http://www.kailed.net *** *** Powered by openSUSE *** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Joachim Reichelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [01-01-70 12:34]: > can anyone tell me any reson for installing beagle? > All I see is garbage on ~/.beage and endless/uncounted beagled-helper > (we are using nfs) > Just now a system run out of memory only by these uncountable number of > beagled-helper jobs you should issue a bug report. I use beagle and appreciate it. I see very little resources utilized and have only had occasional problems where I have stopped beagle, killed all the helper pid's and restarted beagle. Then it is fine. I have only had to do this twice in the last 5-6 months, iirc. - -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHj6YGClSjbQz1U5oRAvPiAJ9gSSLLa95VS7VSyB+1E4ZHM48bvQCgmnGW p+rB94oG/bZGmejSobMaQYw= =V2Uj -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Jan 17, 2008 5:32 PM, Rafał Miłecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/1/17, Joachim Reichelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > can anyone tell me any reson for installing beagle?
> > All I see is garbage on ~/.beage and endless/uncounted beagled-helper
> > (we are using nfs)
> > Just now a system run out of memory only by these uncountable number of
> > beagled-helper jobs
>
> I do remove this on every computer I installed openSUSE. This eats too
> much CPU/memory.
So do I.
I would prefer not install it as default. Who know what it is and
wants it, he/she can install it additionally.
IMHO Now it consumes cpu + mem on every newly installed machine and
very few people really use it.
Regards Ladislav
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Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
2008/1/17, Joachim Reichelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > can anyone tell me any reson for installing beagle? > All I see is garbage on ~/.beage and endless/uncounted beagled-helper > (we are using nfs) > Just now a system run out of memory only by these uncountable number of > beagled-helper jobs I do remove this on every computer I installed openSUSE. This eats too much CPU/memory. -- Rafał Miłecki
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
Joachim Reichelt wrote: > can anyone tell me any reson for installing beagle? Beagle is a daemon that crawls and indexes documents on your harddrive, so you can search them very quickly. Similar programs are: * Strigi http://strigi.sourceforge.net/ * Tracker http://www.gnome.org/projects/tracker/ * Google Desktop Search (proprietary) http://desktop.google.com/ -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o Package MaintainerLihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9, CR prusnak[at]suse.czhttp://www.suse.cz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 12:31 +0100, Andreas Vetter wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: > > I for myself always uninstall it after the setup... bu I learnt to ... > I also uninstall it on every machine Me too. I use Google Desktop Search because it is more mature tool and consumes less CPU power. -- Igor Jagec signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dominique Leuenberger schreef: On 17-01-2008 at 13:18, Druid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Jan 17, 2008 9:14 AM, Joachim Reichelt >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> can anyone tell me any reson for installing beagle? >> What does this have to do with this list? >> > > could be the moment to decide wether beage shall be included in the default > installation set or not? So perfectly a valid question for this list, when > targeting it at openSUSE 11.0 > I for myself always uninstall it after the setup... bu I learnt to organize > my files with folders and filenames ;) > > Dominique > I allways uninstalled beagle until now. it works in the background, but answers my questions very fast.. The way it is now, is for me completely acceptable... If these things change, i will notice, and ring a bell. ;-) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.24-rc7-git5-2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha0 KDE: 3.5.8 "release 34" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkePPv0ACgkQX5/X5X6LpDgzSwCg210yar8mcGBuqTFidHvPigp9 kq8AoK1z+yHpjm4pSZYcwm4K4JZ2V8Ru =Cxhg -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: > >>> On 17-01-2008 at 13:18, Druid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 17, 2008 9:14 AM, Joachim Reichelt > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> can anyone tell me any reson for installing beagle? > > > > What does this have to do with this list? > > > > could be the moment to decide wether beage shall be included in the default > installation set or not? So perfectly a valid question for this list, when > targeting it at openSUSE 11.0 > I for myself always uninstall it after the setup... bu I learnt to organize > my files with folders and filenames ;) I also uninstall it on every machine -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On 17-01-2008 at 13:18, Druid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 17, 2008 9:14 AM, Joachim Reichelt > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> can anyone tell me any reson for installing beagle? > > What does this have to do with this list? > could be the moment to decide wether beage shall be included in the default installation set or not? So perfectly a valid question for this list, when targeting it at openSUSE 11.0 I for myself always uninstall it after the setup... bu I learnt to organize my files with folders and filenames ;) Dominique -- TMF is a global management and accounting outsourcing firm with 77 offices in 60 countries and over 2,500 professionals (2007). TMF is expanding rapidly throughout the world. Learn more about our unique network and our services and visit our website at www.tmf-group.com. The information contained in this e-mail communication is confidential and solely intended for the person to whom it is addressed. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to notify the sender and to destroy the original e-mail communication. TMF is neither liable for the correct and complete transmission of the information contained in this e-mail communication nor for any delay in its receipt. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been checked for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle
On Jan 17, 2008 9:14 AM, Joachim Reichelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > can anyone tell me any reson for installing beagle? What does this have to do with this list? Marcio Ferreira --- Druid - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, can anyone tell me any reson for installing beagle? All I see is garbage on ~/.beage and endless/uncounted beagled-helper (we are using nfs) Just now a system run out of memory only by these uncountable number of beagled-helper jobs -- Joachim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle-thunderbird has too many dependencies.
Joe Shaw wrote: On 9/24/07, Rajko M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm merely amused that small package pulls in bits that I would never install, like evolution-data-server, and in any case it is funny to see 123.4 MB as precondition for 144 kB. Indeed. It's unfortunate that Thunderbird doesn't provide the functionality we need, and it definitely feels that something is amiss dependency-wise. Is a bug filed in our bugzilla.mozilla.org about this missing functionality? Mabe there's someone who can code it up in our Mozilla community or someone from elsewhere who can do a patch to get this at least for a future version. Robert Kaiser - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle-thunderbird has too many dependencies.
Hi, On 9/24/07, Rajko M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm merely amused that small package pulls in bits that I would never install, > like evolution-data-server, and in any case it is funny to see 123.4 MB as > precondition for 144 kB. Indeed. It's unfortunate that Thunderbird doesn't provide the functionality we need, and it definitely feels that something is amiss dependency-wise. > > So I think there is something else wrong in the chain here at a lower > > level in the GNOME stack. Is there a way with zypper to see why > > dependencies are being pulled in? > > If would know easy way I would probably walk little bit further to find a > culprit. Looking in the /var/log/zypper.log even after extraction of > yesterdays logs is not viable option (3 MB) for me. I don't know enough about zypper to help. Anyone else on the list know? (With rcd and rug, it would tell you why a pulled in package was needed...) Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle-thunderbird has too many dependencies.
On Monday 24 September 2007 10:04:14 am Joe Shaw wrote: > Hi, > > On 9/23/07, Rajko M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > linux-kw92:~ # zypper in beagle-thunderbird > > > > The following NEW packages are going to be installed: > > MozillaThunderbird art-sharp2 beagle-gui beagle-thunderbird > > control-center2 eel > > evolution-data-server gail gconf-sharp2 glade-sharp2 gnome-desktop > > gnome-keyring gnome-main-menu gnome-menus gnome-panel gnome-sharp2 > > gnome-vfs-sharp2 gtk2-engines libbonoboui libcroco libgnome-certauth0 > > libgnomecanvas libgnomecups libgnomekbd libgnomeprint libgnomeprintui > > libgnomesu libgnomeui libgtop libgtop-2_0-7 librsvg libsoup libssui > > libwnck-1-22 libwnck metacity nautilus yast2-control-center-gnome > > bundle-lang-gnome-en gnome-audio gnome-icon-theme gnome-themes > > gnome2-user-docs tango-icon-theme > > > > Though to have it you need 123.4 M of other software, where without > > detailed checking: > > control-center2 evolution-data-server gnome-desktop gnome-main-menu > > gnome-menus gnome-panel metacity nautilus yast2-control-center-gnome > > bundle-lang-gnome-en gnome-audio > > seems to be essential for the package to work ;-) > > I'm not really sure why all these additional packages are necessary. > I am guessing you are a KDE user though. :) Yes Joe. I would like to have some mix between 2 desktops, but there is too many differences to make easy switch between them. GIMP is my favorite, so there is already plenty of GNOME installed, and there is no problem. Hard disks are large nowadays. I'm merely amused that small package pulls in bits that I would never install, like evolution-data-server, and in any case it is funny to see 123.4 MB as precondition for 144 kB. > The only explicit dep beagle-thunderbird has is on MozillaThunderbird. > It does require beagle-gui though, because Thunderbird has no way to > display an addressbook contact externally, and the tool to do that > lives in beagle-gui. Thunderbird alone requires much lesser. > beagle-gui, in turn, only explicitly requires gconf-sharp2, > glade-sharp2, glib-sharp2, gtk-sharp2. These are all only Mono > bindings for GNOME libraries, and shouldn't require bringing in things > like gnome-desktop, gnome-main-menu, metacity, etc. I tried some other gnome packages and they require lesser. For instance metacity: metacity bundle-lang-gnome-en Hmm... It seems that the rest of GNOME desktop is already installed. > So I think there is something else wrong in the chain here at a lower > level in the GNOME stack. Is there a way with zypper to see why > dependencies are being pulled in? If would know easy way I would probably walk little bit further to find a culprit. Looking in the /var/log/zypper.log even after extraction of yesterdays logs is not viable option (3 MB) for me. -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] beagle-thunderbird has too many dependencies.
Hi, On 9/23/07, Rajko M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > linux-kw92:~ # zypper in beagle-thunderbird > > The following NEW packages are going to be installed: > MozillaThunderbird art-sharp2 beagle-gui beagle-thunderbird control-center2 > eel > evolution-data-server gail gconf-sharp2 glade-sharp2 gnome-desktop > gnome-keyring gnome-main-menu gnome-menus gnome-panel gnome-sharp2 > gnome-vfs-sharp2 gtk2-engines libbonoboui libcroco libgnome-certauth0 > libgnomecanvas libgnomecups libgnomekbd libgnomeprint libgnomeprintui > libgnomesu libgnomeui libgtop libgtop-2_0-7 librsvg libsoup libssui > libwnck-1-22 libwnck metacity nautilus yast2-control-center-gnome > bundle-lang-gnome-en gnome-audio gnome-icon-theme gnome-themes > gnome2-user-docs tango-icon-theme > > Though to have it you need 123.4 M of other software, where without detailed > checking: > control-center2 evolution-data-server gnome-desktop gnome-main-menu > gnome-menus gnome-panel metacity nautilus yast2-control-center-gnome > bundle-lang-gnome-en gnome-audio > seems to be essential for the package to work ;-) I'm not really sure why all these additional packages are necessary. I am guessing you are a KDE user though. :) The only explicit dep beagle-thunderbird has is on MozillaThunderbird. It does require beagle-gui though, because Thunderbird has no way to display an addressbook contact externally, and the tool to do that lives in beagle-gui. beagle-gui, in turn, only explicitly requires gconf-sharp2, glade-sharp2, glib-sharp2, gtk-sharp2. These are all only Mono bindings for GNOME libraries, and shouldn't require bringing in things like gnome-desktop, gnome-main-menu, metacity, etc. So I think there is something else wrong in the chain here at a lower level in the GNOME stack. Is there a way with zypper to see why dependencies are being pulled in? Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] beagle-thunderbird has too many dependencies.
linux-kw92:~ # zypper in MozillaThunderbird beagle-thunderbird * Reading repository 'Main Update Repository' cache * Reading repository 'Main Repository (NON-OSS)' cache * Reading repository 'Main Repository (OSS)' cache * Reading repository 'openSUSE BuildService - Virtualization (QEMU)' cache * Reading repository 'openSUSE-10.3-OSS-KDE 10.3' cache * Reading installed packages [100%] The following NEW packages are going to be installed: MozillaThunderbird art-sharp2 beagle-thunderbird beagle-gui control-center2 eel evolution-data-server gail gconf-sharp2 glade-sharp2 gnome-desktop gnome-keyring gnome-main-menu gnome-menus gnome-panel gnome-sharp2 gnome-vfs-sharp2 gtk2-engines libbonoboui libcroco libgnome-certauth0 libgnomecanvas libgnomecups libgnomekbd libgnomeprint libgnomeprintui libgnomesu libgnomeui libgtop libgtop-2_0-7 librsvg libsoup libssui libwnck-1-22 libwnck metacity nautilus yast2-control-center-gnome bundle-lang-gnome-en gnome-audio gnome-icon-theme gnome-themes gnome2-user-docs tango-icon-theme Overall download size: 46.4 M. After the operation, additional 123.4 M will be used. Continue? [yes/no]: n *** It seems to much. linux-kw92:~ # zypper in MozillaThunderbird * Reading repository 'Main Update Repository' cache * Reading repository 'Main Repository (NON-OSS)' cache * Reading repository 'Main Repository (OSS)' cache * Reading repository 'openSUSE BuildService - Virtualization (QEMU)' cache * Reading repository 'openSUSE-10.3-OSS-KDE 10.3' cache * Reading installed packages [100%] The following NEW packages are going to be installed: MozillaThunderbird gail gnome-keyring libbonoboui libgnomecanvas libgnomeui gnome-icon-theme Overall download size: 12.9 M. After the operation, additional 39.3 M will be used. Continue? [yes/no]: n *** linux-kw92:~ # zypper in beagle-thunderbird * Reading repository 'Main Update Repository' cache * Reading repository 'Main Repository (NON-OSS)' cache * Reading repository 'Main Repository (OSS)' cache * Reading repository 'openSUSE BuildService - Virtualization (QEMU)' cache * Reading repository 'openSUSE-10.3-OSS-KDE 10.3' cache * Reading installed packages [100%] The following NEW packages are going to be installed: MozillaThunderbird art-sharp2 beagle-gui beagle-thunderbird control-center2 eel evolution-data-server gail gconf-sharp2 glade-sharp2 gnome-desktop gnome-keyring gnome-main-menu gnome-menus gnome-panel gnome-sharp2 gnome-vfs-sharp2 gtk2-engines libbonoboui libcroco libgnome-certauth0 libgnomecanvas libgnomecups libgnomekbd libgnomeprint libgnomeprintui libgnomesu libgnomeui libgtop libgtop-2_0-7 librsvg libsoup libssui libwnck-1-22 libwnck metacity nautilus yast2-control-center-gnome bundle-lang-gnome-en gnome-audio gnome-icon-theme gnome-themes gnome2-user-docs tango-icon-theme Overall download size: 46.4 M. After the operation, additional 123.4 M will be used. Continue? [yes/no]: n *** Information for package beagle-thunderbird: Repository: Main Repository (OSS) Name: beagle-thunderbird Version: 0.2.18-21 Arch: i586 Installed: No Status: not installed Installed Size: 144.1 K Summary: Thunderbird plugin for the Desktop search application Beagle *** Who said that beagle(-thunderbird) is a resource hog? It is only 144.1 K. Though to have it you need 123.4 M of other software, where without detailed checking: control-center2 evolution-data-server gnome-desktop gnome-main-menu gnome-menus gnome-panel metacity nautilus yast2-control-center-gnome bundle-lang-gnome-en gnome-audio seems to be essential for the package to work ;-) -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Juan Erbes schreef: > 2007/5/21, M9. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> As the subject. >> They stop the process of copying or comparing..very annoying. >> >> - -- >> >> > > I uninstalled beagle, and installed the old "locate", for me is better. Right now, i am feeling like uninstalling also, but B in 10.1 was worse than this one...( works in the background more, less cpu usage..) > I have'nt removed the beagle dbs or files; for example what names has > those files, and where are it to remove completely it? > > Have a nice night! Thnx;-) Keeps most of it in your /home, in hidden files ofcourse.. ( i noticed that is impossible to make a back-up with beagle running in FF..had to shut it down indeed..) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45.4" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUrg+X5/X5X6LpDgRAnVuAKCalK/dbUkKBsbVi52+zHHLYJKWUwCgzz8Q 95lTcUZ/ZByuE2IhnCr9h7s= =C11I -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.
2007/5/21, M9. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the subject. They stop the process of copying or comparing..very annoying. - -- I uninstalled beagle, and installed the old "locate", for me is better. I have'nt removed the beagle dbs or files; for example what names has those files, and where are it to remove completely it? Have a nice night! Regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alberto Passalacqua schreef: >> Is it cmd? > > Yes, it's a command line tool. > >> Is it standard in openSUSE? > > Yes, it's installed by default. > >> Is there a manual? > > You can just type "man manual" in a terminal and read there, but this > link provides you some useful hint to do backups: > > http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ > > > You might consider also Unison, which is another tool to synchronise > directories. It's available in the OSS repository of openSUSE and you > can find more information here > http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ > > Both the tools can use the network to synchronise, by means of SSH. > > Regards, > A. > Very usefull indeed! ;-) I also discovered that the cause might be: ext3 > fat32, in which is deleting from pc, instead right off the networkdrive even slower than comparing(!)(it is still deleting, while the new copy is ready for at least 20 minutes... have too look into this!) I now copied my home, which gets a little too fat if you ask me: 6,3 GB, to an existing Reiserfs partition somewhere on another drive, which took just a few minutes..:-) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45.4" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUa22X5/X5X6LpDgRAhUrAKC2vW7aIKw6LQcDcasTTI2oQiVu5wCfW1EK ss2a8tIJPotYV5pkHSJTcRo= =/mnO -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.
> Is it cmd? Yes, it's a command line tool. > Is it standard in openSUSE? Yes, it's installed by default. > Is there a manual? You can just type "man manual" in a terminal and read there, but this link provides you some useful hint to do backups: http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ You might consider also Unison, which is another tool to synchronise directories. It's available in the OSS repository of openSUSE and you can find more information here http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ Both the tools can use the network to synchronise, by means of SSH. Regards, A. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alberto Passalacqua schreef: > Il giorno lun, 21/05/2007 alle 14.50 +0200, M9. ha scritto: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >> Alberto Passalacqua schreef: >>> Not a solution for newbies, but you can shut beagle down temporarily >>> with: >>> >>> beagle-shutdown >> Might be not so bad, when on, it takes aaages to >> synchronize. > > What do you use to synchronize? I do my backups with rsync, and > excluding the first sync/copy, it's pretty fast. Is it cmd? Is it standard in openSUSE? Is there a manual? I am not yet used to the huge amounts of data in a home dir ;-( So i use something like Krusader, but it is so damn slow, one thinks it stopped. Second, i store on a networkdrive, with samba on it, using fat32...since i got one, but i am not able to get nfs on it (can not get into set-up, firmwareprotected) which would make a lot of things a lot easier.. Synchronising did not work:-( I am now throwing the old back-up away, (which also takes too much time!) to just copy my home again... lost my whole afternoon. I have to rearrange my partitions: /var and /usr are running out of space very quick, and my /boot is still too small... so i have too get rid off my old config, and start brandnew, with updated 'needed space info' ;-) This realy slows down the proces... > > Regards, > A. > > - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45.4" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUabVX5/X5X6LpDgRAtM+AJ4siJhBnjN+ai9Yb+sC5NByH1YbEgCePIfG V5gN27+JS/RA7m36Tt1x+GM= =nc15 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.
Il giorno lun, 21/05/2007 alle 14.50 +0200, M9. ha scritto: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Alberto Passalacqua schreef: > > Not a solution for newbies, but you can shut beagle down temporarily > > with: > > > > beagle-shutdown > > Might be not so bad, when on, it takes aaages to > synchronize. What do you use to synchronize? I do my backups with rsync, and excluding the first sync/copy, it's pretty fast. Regards, A. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alberto Passalacqua schreef: > Not a solution for newbies, but you can shut beagle down temporarily > with: > > beagle-shutdown Might be not so bad, when on, it takes aaages to synchronize. > > Ciao, > A. > > Il giorno lun, 21/05/2007 alle 14.18 +0200, M9. ha scritto: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> As the subject. >> They stop the process of copying or comparing..very annoying. >> >> - -- >> >> >> Have a nice day, >> >> M9. Now, is the only time that exists. >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45.4" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUZWlX5/X5X6LpDgRAszXAJsHliH9M0aXvOKQry9yXXcQJaEEFgCfUH5p EHg0o3QUS5RRK9EvwLctKm4= =901+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.
Not a solution for newbies, but you can shut beagle down temporarily with: beagle-shutdown Ciao, A. Il giorno lun, 21/05/2007 alle 14.18 +0200, M9. ha scritto: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > As the subject. > They stop the process of copying or comparing..very annoying. > > - -- > > > Have a nice day, > > M9. Now, is the only time that exists. > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the subject. They stop the process of copying or comparing..very annoying. - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45.4" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUY4uX5/X5X6LpDgRApZ9AKCTn8MzhBdtP2iA/Yimb4jD+d1qPgCgmtbG dNnY3aqPZx3DN1IGlqI9X8M= =BiBU -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
