Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[mike smith]

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
wrote:
> We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>
>
>
> Thoughts?

I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards
monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't
use the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop
tinkering with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't
move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different
versions of VS.  Do you have any idea how painful this is?

[image: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the equivalent
VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row]

Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?





-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Bill McCarthy]

Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the equivalent 
VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row 

 

Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?

 



 

It symbolises mankind’s struggle to represent things in black and white ;)

 

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 4:35 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean  wrote:
> We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>
>  
>
> Thoughts?

I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards 
monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use 
the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering 
with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't move on 
completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS.  Do 
you have any idea how painful this is? 

 Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the equivalent VS 11 
glyphs on the bottom row 
<http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-92-metablogapi/0601.dev10dev11iconsNEW_5F00_thumb_5F00_0CE4BE35.png>
  

 

Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?

 



 



-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

<>

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Ian Thomas]

Horrible - who designed that? Could Monty Hammontree even get a job in a
panel & paint shop? 

And I agree with meski - I also need to have multiple versions of VS, and
with VS11 it is not even consistency, more like recognition. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

  _  

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:35 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

 

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
wrote:
> We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>
>  
>
> Thoughts?

I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards
monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use
the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering
with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't move on
completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS.
Do you have any idea how painful this is? 

 Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the equivalent VS 11
glyphs on the bottom row
<http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-
weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-92-metablogapi/0601.dev10dev11iconsNEW_5F00_thumb_5F
00_0CE4BE35.png>  

 

Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?

 



 



-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[David Kean]

Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are you 
using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
> We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>
>
>
> Thoughts?

I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards 
monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use 
the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering 
with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't move on 
completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS.  Do 
you have any idea how painful this is?

[Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the 
equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row]

Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?





--
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
<>

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Greg Keogh]

>We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/

>Thoughts?

 

You used the word 'impact' figuratively 3 times, once in the dreadful form
of 'negatively impacting'. The word 'impact' has diseased the modern western
world. Respectable newspapers, TV news reports, journalists, scientists and
suburban people are now using the word with reckless abandon. It's a lazy
weasel word that betrays lack of imagination or literacy. Wherever you see
the word 'impact', you can always find a more articulate and expressive
replacement. For example, if you think the word 'impact' adds impact to what
they write, you probably want more gravitas. You can replace 'negatively
impact' with degrade or impair, or deteriorate, or hinder, or lots of other
real words.

 

Greg

 

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Dimaz Pramudya]

There is a reason why I memorized most of the keyboard shortcuts. So that I 
don't have to learn new icons on each release.

While I'm quite happy with monochrome icons, please make them more meaningful. 
The comment/uncomment icon is a classic example of icons that don't make sense.

Sent from my Windows Phone 7

On 24/02/2012, at 16:44, Bill McCarthy  wrote:

>  
>  
> Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?
>  
> 
>  
> It symbolises mankind’s struggle to represent things in black and white ;)
>  
>  
>  
> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
> Behalf Of mike smith
> Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 4:35 PM
> To: ozDotNet
> Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>  
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean  wrote:
> > We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
> >
> >  
> >
> > Thoughts?
> 
> I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards 
> monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use 
> the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering 
> with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't move on 
> completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS.  
> Do you have any idea how painful this is? 
> 
>  
>  
> Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -- 
> Meski
> 
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
> 
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
> get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[David Kean]

I think you'll find that "impact" is one of the more tolerable words of 
Microspeak: http://www.cinepad.com/mslex_3.htm

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:00 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

>We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>Thoughts?

You used the word 'impact' figuratively 3 times, once in the dreadful form of 
'negatively impacting'. The word 'impact' has diseased the modern western 
world. Respectable newspapers, TV news reports, journalists, scientists and 
suburban people are now using the word with reckless abandon. It's a lazy 
weasel word that betrays lack of imagination or literacy. Wherever you see the 
word 'impact', you can always find a more articulate and expressive 
replacement. For example, if you think the word 'impact' adds impact to what 
they write, you probably want more gravitas. You can replace 'negatively 
impact' with degrade or impair, or deteriorate, or hinder, or lots of other 
real words.

Greg

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Wallace Turner]

  
  
David, I havent downloaded it yet but given you're taking feedback
(and this request seems topical) can I ask if the 

Tools -> Options -> Environment - > Keyboard 

dialog has been fixed so you can resize it and not scroll thru 3
shortcuts at a time !





On 24/02/2012 2:07 PM, David Kean wrote:

  
  
  
  
I think you’ll
find that “impact” is one of the more tolerable words of
Microspeak:
http://www.cinepad.com/mslex_3.htm
 

  
From:
ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:00 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
        Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are
    your thoughts?
  

 
>We showed off the new look today: 
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>Thoughts?
 
You used the word ‘impact‘ figuratively 3
  times, once in the dreadful form of ‘negatively impacting’.
  The word ‘impact’ has diseased the modern western world.
  Respectable newspapers, TV news reports, journalists,
  scientists and suburban people are now using the word with
  reckless abandon. It’s a lazy weasel word that betrays lack of
  imagination or literacy. Wherever you see the word ‘impact’,
  you can always find a more articulate and expressive
  replacement. For example, if you think the word ‘impact’ adds
  impact to what they write, you probably want more gravitas.
  You can replace ‘negatively impact’ with degrade or impair, or
  deteriorate, or hinder, or lots of other real words.
 
Greg
 
  

  

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Scott Barnes]

Define: tyre fire


Sent from my iPhone

On 24/02/2012, at 3:15 PM, David Kean  wrote:

> We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>  
> Thoughts?

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Greg Keogh]

>I think you'll find that "impact" is one of the more tolerable words of
Microspeak: http://www.cinepad.com/mslex_3.htm

 

Intolerable when used figuratively.

 

My wife is an editor and proof reader, and she is also utterly fed up with
'impact'. For the last year she has been editing high school textbooks and
she is continually ripping impacts out of them. The words turns up much more
often in subjects like economics, psychology, business & management and
other "soft sciences" where the authors seem to be desperately striving for
credibility.

 

I have Julia Lerman's book Programming Entity Framework
  and she uses 'impact' in various forms about 100 times. On one page
she explains how using a certain expression can 'impact performance'. A few
pages later she tells us that turning on a certain option will 'impact
performance'. Only experienced readers would known that she actually means
the opposite in each case. Her book (and others I have) are full of
ambiguous, inappropriate or completely bizarre 'impacts'. Do what you can to
help me eradicate the word from within Microsoft and the USA.

 

Greg

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Joseph Cooney]

I'm disappointed that MS went after this instead of making an editor that can 
open a moderately large text file without halting for a few minutes.

Joseph

On 24/02/2012, at 3:15 PM, David Kean  wrote:

> We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
> 
>  
> 
> Thoughts?

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[David Kean]

I’m pretty sure you don’t want designers working on fixing that… ☺

I filed a couple of bugs around the perf issues I was seeing which they fixed 
last year. I haven’t done any measurements, but it’s good enough that I don’t 
notice them anymore.

What kind of files are you opening? Are they opened as text, or something 
structured, like XML? There were massive perf issues around XML (something 
around trying to calculate the regions for them), which they also fixed.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Joseph Cooney
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:45 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

I'm disappointed that MS went after this instead of making an editor that can 
open a moderately large text file without halting for a few minutes.

Joseph

On 24/02/2012, at 3:15 PM, David Kean 
mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/

Thoughts?

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Ian Thomas]

Greg - Perhaps the VS Team should recruit Don Watson for a Microsoft
sabbatical. Inappropriate use of 'Impact' is not confined to Microspeak or
tech-speak. 

(I assume that you have read Watson's several books about weaselwords, since
you used the term)   

 

But I don't have a remedy for Monty Hammontree - I read that blog post
carefully, and it sounds like job justification to me. I'm not at all
convinced. 

Gaining 42 pixels is a nonsense, when a larger, higher-resolution screen can
gain a developer centimetres of code space. 

And reducing "the toolbar command placements throughout the product by an
average of 35%" - big deal. Within prior versions, w can choose to add or
leave out a range of toolbars, or customize them. 

What I want to know is whether I would be able to replace those gawd-awful
B&W glyphs with recognizable equivalents from previous VS versions. 

To repeat - in my opinion, the VS11 UI design is rubbish! 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

  _  

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:38 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

 

>I think you'll find that "impact" is one of the more tolerable words of
Microspeak: http://www.cinepad.com/mslex_3.htm

 

Intolerable when used figuratively.

 

My wife is an editor and proof reader, and she is also utterly fed up with
'impact'. For the last year she has been editing high school textbooks and
she is continually ripping impacts out of them. The words turns up much more
often in subjects like economics, psychology, business & management and
other "soft sciences" where the authors seem to be desperately striving for
credibility.

 

I have Julia Lerman's book Programming
<http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Entity-Framework-Building-Centric/dp/0596
807260>  Entity Framework and she uses 'impact' in various forms about 100
times. On one page she explains how using a certain expression can 'impact
performance'. A few pages later she tells us that turning on a certain
option will 'impact performance'. Only experienced readers would known that
she actually means the opposite in each case. Her book (and others I have)
are full of ambiguous, inappropriate or completely bizarre 'impacts'. Do
what you can to help me eradicate the word from within Microsoft and the
USA.

 

Greg

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[djones147]

Seconded on different versions thing. 

Switching between 2010 and 2008 little  changes in menus really slow me down. 
Doing >of classname  in 2010 with the auto complete is very very annoying. 

(4.0, vsto projects and the frankinapp that's been converted from 
vs,2003,2005,2008)  

Davy .02€
Hexed into a portable ouija board. 

-Original Message-
From: David Kean 
Sender: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:58:26 
To: ozDotNet
Reply-To: ozDotNet 
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are you 
using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
> We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>
>
>
> Thoughts?

I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards 
monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use 
the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering 
with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't move on 
completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS.  Do 
you have any idea how painful this is?

[Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the 
equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row]

Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?





--
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
<>

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Iain Carlin]

YUK!

If I wanted to look at a black and white screen all day I would buy a black
and white monitor...what craziness is this? Have Microsoft employed some UI
designers from Apple or something. Leave the icons in colour, monochrome is
just going to make my already difficult job even harder.


On 24 February 2012 17:56,  wrote:

> Seconded on different versions thing.
>
> Switching between 2010 and 2008 little changes in menus really slow me
> down.
> Doing >of classname in 2010 with the auto complete is very very annoying.
>
> (4.0, vsto projects and the frankinapp that's been converted from
> vs,2003,2005,2008)
>
> Davy .02€
> Hexed into a portable ouija board.
> --
> *From: * David Kean 
> *Sender: * ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> *Date: *Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:58:26 +
> *To: *ozDotNet
> *ReplyTo: * ozDotNet 
> *Subject: *RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>
>  Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are
> you using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008?
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
> wrote:
> > We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
> >
> >
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards
> monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't
> use the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop
> tinkering with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't
> move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different
> versions of VS.  Do you have any idea how painful this is?
>
> [image: Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with
> the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row] 
>
> ** **
>
> Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?
>
> ** **
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>
<>

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[David Kean]

One of the “about bloody time” features that we’ve added to VS is round 
tripping of projects. Basically, the majority of projects can be opened back 
and forth between VS2010 and VS11 without any changes.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of djones...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:26 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

Seconded on different versions thing.

Switching between 2010 and 2008 little changes in menus really slow me down.
Doing >of classname in 2010 with the auto complete is very very annoying.

(4.0, vsto projects and the frankinapp that's been converted from 
vs,2003,2005,2008)

Davy .02€
Hexed into a portable ouija board.

From: David Kean mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>>
Sender: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:58:26 +
To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
ReplyTo: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>>
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are you 
using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]<mailto:[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]>
 On Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
> We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>
>
>
> Thoughts?

I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards 
monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use 
the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering 
with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't move on 
completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS.  Do 
you have any idea how painful this is?

[Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the 
equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row]

Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?





--
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
<>

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Stephen Price]

I'd be happy if you could open a SMALL text file from explorer without
having to wait a few minutes.

Why do you think that everyone has a notepad replacement installed? If
Visual Studio loaded fast we wouldn't need them, VS would be the best
notepad replacement. Impress me. I dare you. Make VS fast enough that I
uninstall my notepad replacement.


On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Joseph Cooney wrote:

> I'm disappointed that MS went after this instead of making an editor that
> can open a moderately large text file without halting for a few minutes.
>
> Joseph
>
> On 24/02/2012, at 3:15 PM, David Kean  wrote:
>
>  We showed off the new look today: 
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>
> ** **
>
> Thoughts?
>
>

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Ian Thomas]

Stephen - I thought I was the only neo-luddite that did things like that . 

But round-tripping of projects - and other "tech" things - surely must be
given more promotion than the UX / UI nonsense in that blog post, which is
going to suck the oxygen from the real advancements in a new version. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

  _  

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:51 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

 

I'd be happy if you could open a SMALL text file from explorer without
having to wait a few minutes. 

 

Why do you think that everyone has a notepad replacement installed? If
Visual Studio loaded fast we wouldn't need them, VS would be the best
notepad replacement. Impress me. I dare you. Make VS fast enough that I
uninstall my notepad replacement.



 

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Geoff Appleby]

So very agreed. Give me  colour!
On Feb 24, 2012 6:35 PM, "Iain Carlin"  wrote:

> YUK!
>
> If I wanted to look at a black and white screen all day I would buy a
> black and white monitor...what craziness is this? Have Microsoft employed
> some UI designers from Apple or something. Leave the icons in colour,
> monochrome is just going to make my already difficult job even harder.
>
>
> On 24 February 2012 17:56,  wrote:
>
>> Seconded on different versions thing.
>>
>> Switching between 2010 and 2008 little changes in menus really slow me
>> down.
>> Doing >of classname in 2010 with the auto complete is very very annoying.
>>
>> (4.0, vsto projects and the frankinapp that's been converted from
>> vs,2003,2005,2008)
>>
>> Davy .02€
>> Hexed into a portable ouija board.
>> --
>> *From: * David Kean 
>> *Sender: * ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>> *Date: *Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:58:26 +
>> *To: *ozDotNet
>> *ReplyTo: * ozDotNet 
>> *Subject: *RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>>
>>  Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why
>> are you using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
>> wrote:
>> > We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>>
>> I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards
>> monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't
>> use the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop
>> tinkering with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't
>> move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different
>> versions of VS.  Do you have any idea how painful this is?
>>
>> [image: Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with
>> the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row] 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Meski
>>
>>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>>
>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>
>
>
<>

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[David Kean]

With regards to the notepad replacement, add some votes to this: 
http://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/131389-visual-studio-performance/suggestions/2255626-make-it-feasible-to-use-visual-studio-as-a-program

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:58 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

Stephen - I thought I was the only neo-luddite that did things like that ...
But round-tripping of projects - and other "tech" things - surely must be given 
more promotion than the UX / UI nonsense in that blog post, which is going to 
suck the oxygen from the real advancements in a new version.



Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]<mailto:[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]>
 On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:51 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

I'd be happy if you could open a SMALL text file from explorer without having 
to wait a few minutes.

Why do you think that everyone has a notepad replacement installed? If Visual 
Studio loaded fast we wouldn't need them, VS would be the best notepad 
replacement. Impress me. I dare you. Make VS fast enough that I uninstall my 
notepad replacement.

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Stephen Price]

Going against the grain here. I love the new look, the simpler
glyphs/icons.
Love the sexy black theme. Everything should have a sexy black theme.
Definitely make the UI resolution agnostic. Everything needs to resize to
whatever size monitor you have, and even multi screens.

To further reiterate the impact of my last email, VS needs to load so
lightning fast that it makes notepad look bloated. Seriously, what's so
hard about this? As i read in a blog post once, they are *just* text files
we're talking about here!!!

Sexy and fast. We don't ask for much, do we? ;)

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 3:36 PM, David Kean wrote:

>  One of the “about bloody time” features that we’ve added to VS is round
> tripping of projects. Basically, the majority of projects can be opened
> back and forth between VS2010 and VS11 without any changes. 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *djones...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:26 PM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>
>  ** **
>
> Seconded on different versions thing.
>
> Switching between 2010 and 2008 little changes in menus really slow me
> down.
> Doing >of classname in 2010 with the auto complete is very very annoying.
>
> (4.0, vsto projects and the frankinapp that's been converted from
> vs,2003,2005,2008)
>
> Davy .02€
>
> Hexed into a portable ouija board. 
>  --
>
> *From: *David Kean  
>
> *Sender: *ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
>
> *Date: *Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:58:26 +****
>
> *To: *ozDotNet
>
> *ReplyTo: *ozDotNet  
>
> *Subject: *RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are
> you using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008?
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
> wrote:
> > We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
> >
> >
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards
> monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't
> use the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop
> tinkering with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't
> move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different
> versions of VS.  Do you have any idea how painful this is?
>
> [image: Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with
> the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row] 
>
> ** **
>
> Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?
>
> ** **
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Nick Randolph]

Oh the sheltered life you live. Break out of the MS bubble for a while and 
watch what happens in the real world. Even some dev shops are stuck on VS2008 
in the same way as some enterprises are on WinXP.

 If you do anything related to the old Windows Mobile platform, for 
example, you have to use VS2008 – and no, there are some cases where we can’t 
just build a Windows Phone version. Microsoft officially screwed us when 
killing Windows Mobile as there is no alternative for line of business 
applications that require peripherals and/or ruggedized devices ☹ 

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Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 3:58 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are you 
using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008?

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]<mailto:[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]>
 On Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
> We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>
>
>
> Thoughts?

I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards 
monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use 
the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering 
with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't move on 
completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS.  Do 
you have any idea how painful this is?

[Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the 
equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row]

Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?





--
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
<>

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Peter Gfader]

#1 I love the new look too!  Or... maybe I should say that I am not too
fussed about it because for sure there are heaps of themes that let me
"fix" it.

But
#2 Please fix the docking. Let controls use up all space. There are at
least 4 places where that would be nice... as mentioned by others:
1 Project properties
2 Tools | Options Dialog (Keyboard shows 3 lines)
3 Exception dialog in Debugger
4 Debug | Exceptions Dialog

Thanks!
Looking forward to use it


BTW
+1 to performance



On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Nick Randolph  wrote:

> Oh the sheltered life you live. Break out of the MS bubble for a while and
> watch what happens in the real world. Even some dev shops are stuck on
> VS2008 in the same way as some enterprises are on WinXP.
>
> ** **
>
>  If you do anything related to the old Windows Mobile platform, for
> example, you have to use VS2008 – and no, there are some cases where we
> can’t just build a Windows Phone version. Microsoft officially screwed us
> when killing Windows Mobile as there is no alternative for line of business
> applications that require peripherals and/or ruggedized devices L *
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> *Nick Randolph** *| *Built to Roam Pty Ltd* | Microsoft MVP – Windows
> Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
> The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not
> the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this
> email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of
> any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the
> author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty
> Ltd.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Kean
> *Sent:* Friday, 24 February 2012 3:58 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are
> you using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008?
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
> wrote:
> > We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
> >
> >
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards
> monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't
> use the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop
> tinkering with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't
> move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different
> versions of VS.  Do you have any idea how painful this is?
>
> [image: Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with
> the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row] 
>
> ** **
>
> Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?
>
> ** **
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>



-- 


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  Check this before you go live
  http://blog.gfader.com/2011/07/website-check-list-part-1-aspnet-4.html
<>

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Ian Thomas]

Nick - I didn't think that needed explaining! 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

  _  

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:24 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

 

Oh the sheltered life you live. Break out of the MS bubble for a while and
watch what happens in the real world. Even some dev shops are stuck on
VS2008 in the same way as some enterprises are on WinXP.

 

 If you do anything related to the old Windows Mobile platform, for
example, you have to use VS2008 - and no, there are some cases where we
can't just build a Windows Phone version. Microsoft officially screwed us
when killing Windows Mobile as there is no alternative for line of business
applications that require peripherals and/or ruggedized devices :-( 

 

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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Ltd.

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Nick Randolph]

Ah you know I think that David just pushed the wrong button - the MS mobile dev 
community is still a little sore from the beating we took on that one.

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Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 6:39 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

Nick - I didn't think that needed explaining!



Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]<mailto:[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]>
 On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:24 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

Oh the sheltered life you live. Break out of the MS bubble for a while and 
watch what happens in the real world. Even some dev shops are stuck on VS2008 
in the same way as some enterprises are on WinXP.

 If you do anything related to the old Windows Mobile platform, for 
example, you have to use VS2008 - and no, there are some cases where we can't 
just build a Windows Phone version. Microsoft officially screwed us when 
killing Windows Mobile as there is no alternative for line of business 
applications that require peripherals and/or ruggedized devices :( 

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[David Kean]

Yep, fair call. :)

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Nick Randolph
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:46 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

Ah you know I think that David just pushed the wrong button - the MS mobile dev 
community is still a little sore from the beating we took on that one.

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]<mailto:[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]>
 On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 6:39 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

Nick - I didn't think that needed explaining!



Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia


From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]<mailto:[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]>
 On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:24 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

Oh the sheltered life you live. Break out of the MS bubble for a while and 
watch what happens in the real world. Even some dev shops are stuck on VS2008 
in the same way as some enterprises are on WinXP.

 If you do anything related to the old Windows Mobile platform, for 
example, you have to use VS2008 - and no, there are some cases where we can't 
just build a Windows Phone version. Microsoft officially screwed us when 
killing Windows Mobile as there is no alternative for line of business 
applications that require peripherals and/or ruggedized devices :( 

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[David Connors]

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Joseph Cooney wrote:

> I'm disappointed that MS went after this instead of making an editor that
> can open a moderately large text file without halting for a few minutes.
>

Or how about fixing fundamentals like this:

error  : The Web Application Project  is configured to use IIS. To
access local IIS Web sites, you must run Visual Studio in the context of an
administrator account.

WTF. Glad to see reduced colour focuses us on content - meanwhile the IDE
focuses us on insanely bad development practices.

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Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Tony McGee]

  
  
Seconded - we still support a really old Windows Mobile apps that
requires Visual Studio 2003, database projects that need to support
both SQL Server Reporting Services 2005 and 2008 incompatible
versions of RDL and report viewer controls, and some ASP.NET 4/.NET
4 web projects that require VS2010.
I reckon our case of having to install up to four different versions
of Visual Studio side by side is not that uncommon. It's maddening
having to fight against the VS project upgrade wizard that always
seems to be waiting in ambush.


On 24/02/2012 6:24 PM, Nick Randolph wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
Oh
the sheltered life you live. Break out of the MS bubble for
a while and watch what happens in the real world. Even some
dev shops are stuck on VS2008 in the same way as some
enterprises are on WinXP.
 

 If you do anything related to the old Windows
Mobile platform, for example, you have to use VS2008 – and
no, there are some cases where we can’t just build a Windows
Phone version. Microsoft officially screwed us when killing
Windows Mobile as there is no alternative for line of
business applications that require peripherals and/or
ruggedized devices L

 

  Nick
Randolph
  |
  Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows
  Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
The
  information contained in this email is confidential. If
  you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose
  or use the information in this email in any way. Built to
  Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any
  emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed
  are the author's own and may not reflect the views or
  opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.

 

  
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of
David Kean
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 3:58 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are
    your thoughts?
  

 
Thanks for the feedback. On the three different
versions things, why are you using three? What you building
that still requires 2005/2008?
 
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your
    thoughts?
 
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at
4:15 PM, David Kean <david.k...@microsoft.com>
wrote:
> We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>
>  
>
> Thoughts?

I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone
too far towards monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new
set of damned icons, I won't use the bloody thing.  This is
one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering with.
 Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't
move on completely from one version to another, but use 3
different versions of VS.  Do you have any idea how painful
this is? 

 

   


  Take the
  comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?


   


  


   


  
  
  -- 
  Meski
  
   http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
  
  "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for
  sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" -
  Adam Hills

  


  

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[mike smith]

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:58 PM, David Kean wrote:

>  Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are
> you using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008?
>
> **
>

Ok, we do builds for products that were released when 2005 (and 2008) were
current, and it's not convenient, or safe, to update them to 2010 (or 2012)
- we're only doing maintenance fixes on them.  It'd be nice if you could
open a 2005 project with 2012, without converting it to 2012 format, and
then compile it with the 2005 version of CL.  That would give you the 2012
UI, and not alter the project/solution/binary more than necessary.



>  **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
> wrote:
>
> > We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
> >
> >
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards
> monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't
> use the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop
> tinkering with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't
> move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different
> versions of VS.  Do you have any idea how painful this is?
>
> [image: Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with
> the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row] 
>
>  ** **
>
> Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?
>
> ** **
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>



-- 
Meski

   http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
<>

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[mike smith]

Also, IIRC, and I think I do, you can't do Sharepoint work with VS2010 -
because of dotnet 4, so you are forced to use 2008.

Mike

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Nick Randolph  wrote:

> Oh the sheltered life you live. Break out of the MS bubble for a while and
> watch what happens in the real world. Even some dev shops are stuck on
> VS2008 in the same way as some enterprises are on WinXP.
>
> ** **
>
>  If you do anything related to the old Windows Mobile platform, for
> example, you have to use VS2008 – and no, there are some cases where we
> can’t just build a Windows Phone version. Microsoft officially screwed us
> when killing Windows Mobile as there is no alternative for line of business
> applications that require peripherals and/or ruggedized devices L *
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> *Nick Randolph** *| *Built to Roam Pty Ltd* | Microsoft MVP – Windows
> Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
> The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not
> the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this
> email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of
> any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the
> author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty
> Ltd.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Kean
> *Sent:* Friday, 24 February 2012 3:58 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are
> you using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008?
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
> wrote:
> > We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
> >
> >
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards
> monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't
> use the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop
> tinkering with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't
> move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different
> versions of VS.  Do you have any idea how painful this is?
>
> [image: Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with
> the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row] 
>
> ** **
>
> Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?
>
> ** **
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>



-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
<>

RE: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[David Kean]

Starting in VS 11, you can now round-trip VS 2010 projects/solutions without 
modification in most cases.

Can you clarify on the “not safe” part? Is there anything in particular you are 
worried about? In 2008/2010, in most cases, all that’s really changing 
underneath is a version number stored in the project/solution. Everything else 
will build normally.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:50 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?


On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:58 PM, David Kean 
mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are you 
using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008?

Ok, we do builds for products that were released when 2005 (and 2008) were 
current, and it's not convenient, or safe, to update them to 2010 (or 2012) - 
we're only doing maintenance fixes on them.  It'd be nice if you could open a 
2005 project with 2012, without converting it to 2012 format, and then compile 
it with the 2005 version of CL.  That would give you the 2012 UI, and not alter 
the project/solution/binary more than necessary.



From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM

To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> wrote:

> We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
>
>
>
> Thoughts?

I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards 
monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't use 
the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop tinkering 
with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't move on 
completely from one version to another, but use 3 different versions of VS.  Do 
you have any idea how painful this is?
[Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with the 
equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row]

Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?





--
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills



--
Meski
 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills

<>

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Scott Barnes]

I've also done a blog post decoding the grey into more finite principles,
ie "i dont like grey.." isn't enough, so i've made a feeble attempt to
decode the problem with flat grey vs depth based grey.

Decoding the use of grey in Visual Studio vNext
http://www.riagenic.com/archives/858

---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:53 PM, David Kean wrote:

>  Starting in VS 11, you can now round-trip VS 2010 projects/solutions
> without modification in most cases.
>
> ** **
>
> Can you clarify on the “not safe” part? Is there anything in particular
> you are worried about? In 2008/2010, in most cases, all that’s really
> changing underneath is a version number stored in the project/solution.
> Everything else will build normally.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:50 PM
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:58 PM, David Kean 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback. On the three different versions things, why are
> you using three? What you building that still requires 2005/2008?
>
> ** **
>
> Ok, we do builds for products that were released when 2005 (and 2008) were
> current, and it's not convenient, or safe, to update them to 2010 (or 2012)
> - we're only doing maintenance fixes on them.  It'd be nice if you could
> open a 2005 project with 2012, without converting it to 2012 format, and
> then compile it with the 2005 version of CL.  That would give you the 2012
> UI, and not alter the project/solution/binary more than necessary. 
>
> ** **
>
>  
>
>   
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:35 PM
>
>
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?
>
>  
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, David Kean 
> wrote:
>
>
> > We showed off the new look today: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/
> >
> >
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> I agree, somewhat, about the colour, but feel you've gone too far towards
> monochrome.  And if you make me learn a new set of damned icons, I won't
> use the bloody thing.  This is one thing I wish Microsoft would stop
> tinkering with.  Icons, menu layouts, dialog layouts.   Some of us don't
> move on completely from one version to another, but use 3 different
> versions of VS.  Do you have any idea how painful this is? 
>
> [image: Description: Pictographic icons from VS 2010 on the top row with
> the equivalent VS 11 glyphs on the bottom row] 
>
>  
>
> Take the comment/uncomment icons. WTF are they meant to represent?
>
>  
>
> 
>
>  
>
>
>
> --
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>
>
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> --
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>
> ** **
>
<>

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[David Rhys Jones]

Hi,

I read Scott's blog, and then went back to the Microsoft blog to take a
second look.

*Things that I use a lot that are missing.*

Solution Explorer, Properties and Macro Explorer icons in the tool-bar.


*Toolbar changes.*

[image: Inline image 1]

*Comment / Uncomment .  *
I use CTRL+K C  / CTRL+K U ,  so no problem there.

*New Project. *
Never use it from there, always do it from the solution explorer.

*File Open.*
Always click this Icon, it's the same in Word, Excel, Sql Server Management
basically all windows applications.
not looking for the biggest splodge of yellow on the screen will be annoying

*Save*
Ctrl+S  or CTRL+SHIFT+S

*Find In Files, *
Always use, because it's next to the quick find, if quick find doesn't work
I click the little icon next to it and try again. except. in 2011, it's
completely in the wrong place.

*Bookmarks*
Ctrl + K + K, Ctrl + K + N , CTRL + K + P


Overall, it won't effect me too much, except when I do support, (searching
in files, and opening source files).

*
A quick glance at the Solution Explorer window*

[image: Inline image 2]

There are Six icons there,  Back, Forward, Home?, Cascade Windows?,
synchronize views?, Find in Files (white) ? and Settings?

In VS  you have Properties, Show Hidden Files, Refresh,, view code,
(view designer), Class Diagram.

I'm not sure how those match up in the new Visual studio, but switching
between versions is going to be a major pain in the arse.
*
Properties Box*
The 2010 version looks much better than the 2011 version, the tabs are well
separated and the highlighted tab is clear that it's a part of the form on
the right. The 2011 version looks disassociated.

On my machine, (XP 32bit) I have.

VS2005
VS2008
VS2010
Sql Server Management 2008
Office 2003

The company I work for will not upgrade to the Ribbon version of office,
because of all the support calls it would generate. So I have to do VSTO
projects in 2008,   I have an app that won't upgrade (.xsd files) to 2005
or 2010. And we are currently doing desktop UI application in .net 4.0.

In any one week I will have used all three version of VS, and accessed a
number of different DB's some with auto-completion some without, all using
the same UI.

Please provide a "Classic Skin" as well. to emulate the VS2010 icons so the
switching will not be as shocking.

Davy,

The US Congress voted Pizza sauce a vegetable. Don't even try to convince
me of anything in the states is sane any more!



On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Scott Barnes wrote:

> I've also done a blog post decoding the grey into more finite principles,
> ie "i dont like grey.." isn't enough, so i've made a feeble attempt to
> decode the problem with flat grey vs depth based grey.
>
> Decoding the use of grey in Visual Studio vNext
> http://www.riagenic.com/archives/858
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
>

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Stephen Price]

OMG I forgot about the ribbon. I want a ribbon.

*runs*

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM, David Rhys Jones wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I read Scott's blog, and then went back to the Microsoft blog to take a
> second look.
>
> *Things that I use a lot that are missing.*
>
> Solution Explorer, Properties and Macro Explorer icons in the tool-bar.
>
>
> *Toolbar changes.*
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> *Comment / Uncomment .  *
> I use CTRL+K C  / CTRL+K U ,  so no problem there.
>
> *New Project. *
> Never use it from there, always do it from the solution explorer.
>
> *File Open.*
> Always click this Icon, it's the same in Word, Excel, Sql Server
> Management basically all windows applications.
> not looking for the biggest splodge of yellow on the screen will be
> annoying
>
> *Save*
> Ctrl+S  or CTRL+SHIFT+S
>
> *Find In Files, *
> Always use, because it's next to the quick find, if quick find doesn't
> work I click the little icon next to it and try again. except. in 2011,
> it's completely in the wrong place.
>
> *Bookmarks*
> Ctrl + K + K, Ctrl + K + N , CTRL + K + P
>
>
> Overall, it won't effect me too much, except when I do support, (searching
> in files, and opening source files).
>
> *
> A quick glance at the Solution Explorer window*
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> There are Six icons there,  Back, Forward, Home?, Cascade Windows?,
> synchronize views?, Find in Files (white) ? and Settings?
>
> In VS  you have Properties, Show Hidden Files, Refresh,, view code,
> (view designer), Class Diagram.
>
> I'm not sure how those match up in the new Visual studio, but switching
> between versions is going to be a major pain in the arse.
> *
> Properties Box*
> The 2010 version looks much better than the 2011 version, the tabs are
> well separated and the highlighted tab is clear that it's a part of the
> form on the right. The 2011 version looks disassociated.
>
> On my machine, (XP 32bit) I have.
>
> VS2005
> VS2008
> VS2010
> Sql Server Management 2008
> Office 2003
>
> The company I work for will not upgrade to the Ribbon version of office,
> because of all the support calls it would generate. So I have to do VSTO
> projects in 2008,   I have an app that won't upgrade (.xsd files) to 2005
> or 2010. And we are currently doing desktop UI application in .net 4.0.
>
> In any one week I will have used all three version of VS, and accessed a
> number of different DB's some with auto-completion some without, all using
> the same UI.
>
> Please provide a "Classic Skin" as well. to emulate the VS2010 icons so
> the switching will not be as shocking.
>
> Davy,
>
> The US Congress voted Pizza sauce a vegetable. Don't even try to convince
> me of anything in the states is sane any more!
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Scott Barnes wrote:
>
>> I've also done a blog post decoding the grey into more finite principles,
>> ie "i dont like grey.." isn't enough, so i've made a feeble attempt to
>> decode the problem with flat grey vs depth based grey.
>>
>> Decoding the use of grey in Visual Studio vNext
>> http://www.riagenic.com/archives/858
>>
>> ---
>> Regards,
>> Scott Barnes
>> http://www.riagenic.com
>>
>>
>

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Scott Barnes]

I'm not onboard with Ribbon for VS :)

The Ribbon is such a cliche now.
---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Stephen Price wrote:

> OMG I forgot about the ribbon. I want a ribbon.
>
> *runs*
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM, David Rhys Jones wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I read Scott's blog, and then went back to the Microsoft blog to take a
>> second look.
>>
>> *Things that I use a lot that are missing.*
>>
>> Solution Explorer, Properties and Macro Explorer icons in the tool-bar.
>>
>>
>> *Toolbar changes.*
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> *Comment / Uncomment .  *
>> I use CTRL+K C  / CTRL+K U ,  so no problem there.
>>
>> *New Project. *
>> Never use it from there, always do it from the solution explorer.
>>
>> *File Open.*
>> Always click this Icon, it's the same in Word, Excel, Sql Server
>> Management basically all windows applications.
>> not looking for the biggest splodge of yellow on the screen will be
>> annoying
>>
>> *Save*
>> Ctrl+S  or CTRL+SHIFT+S
>>
>> *Find In Files, *
>> Always use, because it's next to the quick find, if quick find doesn't
>> work I click the little icon next to it and try again. except. in 2011,
>> it's completely in the wrong place.
>>
>> *Bookmarks*
>> Ctrl + K + K, Ctrl + K + N , CTRL + K + P
>>
>>
>> Overall, it won't effect me too much, except when I do support,
>> (searching in files, and opening source files).
>>
>> *
>> A quick glance at the Solution Explorer window*
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>
>> There are Six icons there,  Back, Forward, Home?, Cascade Windows?,
>> synchronize views?, Find in Files (white) ? and Settings?
>>
>> In VS  you have Properties, Show Hidden Files, Refresh,, view code,
>> (view designer), Class Diagram.
>>
>> I'm not sure how those match up in the new Visual studio, but switching
>> between versions is going to be a major pain in the arse.
>> *
>> Properties Box*
>> The 2010 version looks much better than the 2011 version, the tabs are
>> well separated and the highlighted tab is clear that it's a part of the
>> form on the right. The 2011 version looks disassociated.
>>
>> On my machine, (XP 32bit) I have.
>>
>> VS2005
>> VS2008
>> VS2010
>> Sql Server Management 2008
>> Office 2003
>>
>> The company I work for will not upgrade to the Ribbon version of office,
>> because of all the support calls it would generate. So I have to do VSTO
>> projects in 2008,   I have an app that won't upgrade (.xsd files) to 2005
>> or 2010. And we are currently doing desktop UI application in .net 4.0.
>>
>> In any one week I will have used all three version of VS, and accessed a
>> number of different DB's some with auto-completion some without, all using
>> the same UI.
>>
>> Please provide a "Classic Skin" as well. to emulate the VS2010 icons so
>> the switching will not be as shocking.
>>
>> Davy,
>>
>> The US Congress voted Pizza sauce a vegetable. Don't even try to convince
>> me of anything in the states is sane any more!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Scott Barnes wrote:
>>
>>> I've also done a blog post decoding the grey into more finite
>>> principles, ie "i dont like grey.." isn't enough, so i've made a feeble
>>> attempt to decode the problem with flat grey vs depth based grey.
>>>
>>> Decoding the use of grey in Visual Studio vNext
>>> http://www.riagenic.com/archives/858
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Regards,
>>> Scott Barnes
>>> http://www.riagenic.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[Michael Minutillo]

The first thing that I do when I install VS2010 on a new PC these days is
install the Color Theme Editor extension and leach all of the saturation
out of the IDE colors (making them all shades of grey). I then turn off all
of the tool bars. If you're going to do something enough that hunting in
the menus is painful, learn the shortcuts for it. Both of these things
minimize the noise in the IDE and let me concentrate on the thing that's
important: the code. Couple that with R# for navigation and I can close
most of the docked windows as well.

Having said that, I'm not convinced on the new look. I haven't really spent
a bunch of time with it so it might grow on me or I may just turn most of
it off and not notice.


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Scott Barnes wrote:

> I'm not onboard with Ribbon for VS :)
>
> The Ribbon is such a cliche now.
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
>> OMG I forgot about the ribbon. I want a ribbon.
>>
>> *runs*
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM, David Rhys Jones wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I read Scott's blog, and then went back to the Microsoft blog to take a
>>> second look.
>>>
>>> *Things that I use a lot that are missing.*
>>>
>>> Solution Explorer, Properties and Macro Explorer icons in the tool-bar.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Toolbar changes.*
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> *Comment / Uncomment .  *
>>> I use CTRL+K C  / CTRL+K U ,  so no problem there.
>>>
>>> *New Project. *
>>> Never use it from there, always do it from the solution explorer.
>>>
>>> *File Open.*
>>> Always click this Icon, it's the same in Word, Excel, Sql Server
>>> Management basically all windows applications.
>>> not looking for the biggest splodge of yellow on the screen will be
>>> annoying
>>>
>>> *Save*
>>> Ctrl+S  or CTRL+SHIFT+S
>>>
>>> *Find In Files, *
>>> Always use, because it's next to the quick find, if quick find doesn't
>>> work I click the little icon next to it and try again. except. in 2011,
>>> it's completely in the wrong place.
>>>
>>> *Bookmarks*
>>> Ctrl + K + K, Ctrl + K + N , CTRL + K + P
>>>
>>>
>>> Overall, it won't effect me too much, except when I do support,
>>> (searching in files, and opening source files).
>>>
>>> *
>>> A quick glance at the Solution Explorer window*
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>>
>>> There are Six icons there,  Back, Forward, Home?, Cascade Windows?,
>>> synchronize views?, Find in Files (white) ? and Settings?
>>>
>>> In VS  you have Properties, Show Hidden Files, Refresh,, view code,
>>> (view designer), Class Diagram.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how those match up in the new Visual studio, but switching
>>> between versions is going to be a major pain in the arse.
>>> *
>>> Properties Box*
>>> The 2010 version looks much better than the 2011 version, the tabs are
>>> well separated and the highlighted tab is clear that it's a part of the
>>> form on the right. The 2011 version looks disassociated.
>>>
>>> On my machine, (XP 32bit) I have.
>>>
>>> VS2005
>>> VS2008
>>> VS2010
>>> Sql Server Management 2008
>>> Office 2003
>>>
>>> The company I work for will not upgrade to the Ribbon version of office,
>>> because of all the support calls it would generate. So I have to do VSTO
>>> projects in 2008,   I have an app that won't upgrade (.xsd files) to 2005
>>> or 2010. And we are currently doing desktop UI application in .net 4.0.
>>>
>>> In any one week I will have used all three version of VS, and accessed a
>>> number of different DB's some with auto-completion some without, all using
>>> the same UI.
>>>
>>> Please provide a "Classic Skin" as well. to emulate the VS2010 icons so
>>> the switching will not be as shocking.
>>>
>>> Davy,
>>>
>>> The US Congress voted Pizza sauce a vegetable. Don't even try to
>>> convince me of anything in the states is sane any more!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Scott Barnes wrote:
>>>
 I've also done a blog post decoding the grey into more finite
 principles, ie "i dont like grey.." isn't enough, so i've made a feeble
 attempt to decode the problem with flat grey vs depth based grey.

 Decoding the use of grey in Visual Studio vNext
 http://www.riagenic.com/archives/858

 ---
 Regards,
 Scott Barnes
 http://www.riagenic.com


>>>
>>
>

Re: New look of Visual Studio, what are your thoughts?

[mike smith]

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Michael Minutillo <
michael.minuti...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The first thing that I do when I install VS2010 on a new PC these days is
> install the Color Theme Editor extension and leach all of the saturation
> out of the IDE colors (making them all shades of grey). I then turn off all
> of the tool bars. If you're going to do something enough that hunting in
> the menus is painful, learn the shortcuts for it. Both of these things
> minimize the noise in the IDE and let me concentrate on the thing that's
> important: the code. Couple that with R# for navigation and I can close
> most of the docked windows as well.
>
> Having said that, I'm not convinced on the new look. I haven't really
> spent a bunch of time with it so it might grow on me or I may just turn
> most of it off and not notice.
>
>
>
Then again, I could go back to Wordstar shortcuts.  Even after all this
time, I remember a lot of them.


-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills