takumar-a 70-200mm lens

2001-10-24 Thread Nitin Garg

I am new to photography and this list. So please point me to the faq if
that answers it.

I can buy this lens for a reasonable price but i want to find out about
its quality before i buy it. I have a k1000 and super takumar 1.4/50mm
lens and a kiron 28-210 f/4-5.6 (whose optical quality i haven't tested
yet).

So what i want to know is: How good is the quality of this lens ? Is it
worth investing in when i already have the kiron lens ? (if the kiron
lens is poor, i can sell it off and get this one).

any input appreciated, thanks,
nitin
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Chasseur d'Images Pentax Lens Ratings

2001-10-24 Thread RDJ92807

I just got the Oct 2001 editionexcellent tests on the Pentax 31/1.8 LTD 
(did very well), Pentax 200/4 FA Macro and Pentax 28-105/3.2-4.5 FA.

I missed the August and September 2001 issues.  Can someone email me the list 
of lenes tested in these issues?  I would greatly appreciate it.  Thanks.

Robert James
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A couple of Pentax 67 comments

2001-10-24 Thread David A. Mann

 After a couple of weeks of using the Pentax 6x7 I feel inclined to make a 
couple of comments.  Some positive, some not :)

1) This is a fun camera to use handheld.  I still like the clunk noise it makes.  
I was mindful to keep the shutter speed high [1/250 with the 45mm lens] just to 
be on the paranoid side, because I hadn't experimented very much with 
handheld shots before the trip.

2) It's a real pain trying to compose a portrait-orientation shot with the waist-
level finder, especially when you need to do it _quickly_ to shoot that waterfall 
before your cruise boat moves away, just after they gave you a total soaking 
by piloting to within a couple of metres of it :)  I come from the Mamiya RB67 
where shooting vertical means a quick twist of the film back and you just use 
the vertical composing lines in the viewfinder.  I might pick up a prism 
someday although I'm not too happy about the 85% coverage despite the 
weight saving this would give over 100% (the RB's prism weighs a ton).

3) Shooting verticals on a tripod isn't too great either, but thats the RB67 
speaking again.  Luckily enough the Pentax 6x7 is light enough that it doesn't 
significantly unbalance the tripod when tilted over... with the 45mm lens 
anyway.  I use a Manfrotto 055 with 029 head.  And my right arm still aches 
occasionally from carrying it around so much last week :)

4) I really don't like changing the film.  I find it hard to get enough grip on the 
exposed film spool to remove it.  I'm scared I'll get it out just far enough to lose 
my grip and drop the roll before sealing it.  I'll need to get some more practice 
but I am seriously thinking of going to 220 so I won't have to do it as often :)

5) I still don't know how the body knows exactly how far to wind the film on to 
get to the first frame after you've advanced to the start index before closing 
the back.  The film advance lever can be in any position at this time depending 
on how you fiddled with it to get the leader into the takeup spool, and it doesn't 
spring back when you close the back, as I'd expected.  So you get anywhere 
from 1% to 99% of a frame advance, then a certain amount of winds to get to 
the first frame.  I hope I haven't been doing it wrong :)

6) Battery dependence on the mirror lockup.  I wish there was at least a way 
to release the mirror without taking a picture, otherwise it either costs you a 
frame of film or a drained battery.

 Despite all my whinging I do like the camera and look forward to using it 
more.  I'd love to get some more glass for it but the credit card is looking a bit 
overweight at the moment (thankfully I got a pay rise at the start of the month).  
Maybe I'll ask Santa

Cheers,


- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up,
 while children are allowed to run free on the streets? -- Garfield
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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-24 Thread mike wilson

Hi too,

Bob Walkden wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 no - that's Artist...
 

My favourite definition of art: Lying with style - Ki
Longfellow Stanshall (widow of Vivian)

mike
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Re: Pentax teleconverters

2001-10-24 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

Frits J. Wüthrich wrote:
 
 I see 1.4X-S and 1.4X-L converters on the web and was wondering what the
 differences are. 

S converters are optimised for lenses up to (and including)
300mm, L converters for longer ones.

mike
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RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one

2001-10-24 Thread Jan van Wijk

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:12:58 -0700 (PDT), Juan J. Buhler wrote:


Ouch. That means a *really* tiny viewfinder then...

No, not really, that depends on magnification factor in the viewfinder 
optical system just as much as the actual covered area itself.

Regards, Jan van Wijk


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RE: Chasseur d'Images Pentax Lens Ratings

2001-10-24 Thread Ed

??? IS this a typo?

Thanks,
Ed
http://lightandsilver.com 

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 and Pentax 28-105/3.2-4.5 FA.
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RE: Real DOF the Pentax K1000

2001-10-24 Thread John Coyle

Which is exactly why, a couple of years ago, we had a thread on the utility of 
DOF and I said then I thought it a waste of time on 35mm cameras.  If you think 
you can judge depth of field accurately when you're stopped way down, as one 
usually is shooting macro, I believe, sir, you kid yourself!  (Not you, Bill)

John Coyle
Nicholas John Consultants
Brisbane, Australia


On Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:46 PM, Bill D. Casselberry 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
  John wrote:

  You could always look out for an old pre-set lens, where
  you get auto-DOF preview...:-)

   Sheesh Guys!   Depth of Field was one of the first concepts
   I worked on and learned when I got the serious photography
   bug. At the time I was using an old Agfa B2 Speedex 6x6 folder
   w/ no ttl viewing at all. Later a Canonet QL17 GIII rangefinder.
   It is, after all, a simple relationship between focal length
   and focus distance - these days,w/ SLR's, I just do it naturally,
   (in my head, as it 'twere) and/or w/ a quick glance at the
   lens' scale. Rarely do I actually use the DOF preview function
   on my Spotmatics. Of course, using m42 glass on the K-bodies
   gives Auto-DOF Preview even though it's a bit dark to tell
   anything anyway.

   Bill
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RE: Real DOF the Pentax K1000

2001-10-24 Thread Erik Nordin

But, as one other member said some time ago, it's useful for evaluating the
amount of fuzziness in out-of-focus areas. The opposite of DOF, in other
words.

-Original Message-
From: John Coyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: den 24 oktober 2001 09:22
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Real DOF  the Pentax K1000


Which is exactly why, a couple of years ago, we had a thread on the utility
of 
DOF and I said then I thought it a waste of time on 35mm cameras.  If you
think 
you can judge depth of field accurately when you're stopped way down, as one

usually is shooting macro, I believe, sir, you kid yourself!  (Not you,
Bill)

John Coyle
Nicholas John Consultants
Brisbane, Australia


On Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:46 PM, Bill D. Casselberry 
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
  John wrote:

  You could always look out for an old pre-set lens, where
  you get auto-DOF preview...:-)

   Sheesh Guys!   Depth of Field was one of the first concepts
   I worked on and learned when I got the serious photography
   bug. At the time I was using an old Agfa B2 Speedex 6x6 folder
   w/ no ttl viewing at all. Later a Canonet QL17 GIII rangefinder.
   It is, after all, a simple relationship between focal length
   and focus distance - these days,w/ SLR's, I just do it naturally,
   (in my head, as it 'twere) and/or w/ a quick glance at the
   lens' scale. Rarely do I actually use the DOF preview function
   on my Spotmatics. Of course, using m42 glass on the K-bodies
   gives Auto-DOF Preview even though it's a bit dark to tell
   anything anyway.

   Bill
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Re: Real DOF the Pentax K1000

2001-10-24 Thread Mark Roberts

Erik Nordin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But, as one other member said some time ago, it's useful for evaluating the
amount of fuzziness in out-of-focus areas. The opposite of DOF, in other
words.

Right. I use the depth-of-field preview more as a quality-of-bokeh preview. I
know the background's going to be out of focus, I just want to see *how* out of
focus it is.

-- 
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www.robertstech.com
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Re: Pentax 645n Rules !!!

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, October 23, 2001, at 03:24  PM, Ryan Charron wrote:

 It just does, that's all there is to it!

 No Canon or Nikon even comes close.

While I agree about the 645n's superiority over every device made by 
Canon and Nikon, I must respectfully voice the opinion that THE PENTAX 
67 KICKS ITS ASS.

Thank you for your attention.

-Aaron

:)
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Re: Our Faces

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, October 23, 2001, at 03:18  PM, Amita Guha wrote:

 http://www.picturesofmyfinger.com/aboutme.htm

That is one of the funniest URLs I've ever seen.

-Aaron
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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-24 Thread Mark Roberts

mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Bob Walkden wrote:
 
 no - that's Artist...

My favourite definition of art: Lying with style - Ki
Longfellow Stanshall (widow of Vivian)

Viv Stanshall, one of the greats. Just heard a Public Radio interview with Niel
Innes a couple of weeks ago. Gonna have to break out my old Bonzo albums now.

-- 
Mark Roberts
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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

Someone ought to call whoever Canon buy their cheap 28-80 from and let 
'em know. :)

Seriously, does anyone believe that Canon make their cheapies?

-Aaron
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RE: Real DOF the Pentax K1000

2001-10-24 Thread Paris, Leonard

This thread demonstrates the principle of FLDSAC.
First Liar Doesn't Stand a Chance. Grin

Len
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-Original Message-
From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Real DOF  the Pentax K1000


Erik Nordin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But, as one other member said some time ago, it's useful for evaluating the
amount of fuzziness in out-of-focus areas. The opposite of DOF, in other
words.

Right. I use the depth-of-field preview more as a quality-of-bokeh
preview. I
know the background's going to be out of focus, I just want to see *how* out
of
focus it is.

-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com
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Re: Cheating

2001-10-24 Thread Sas Gabor

Hi,

On 21 Oct 2001 at 1:26, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?

I use:
- Kiev88 with 3.5/45, 2.8/80 and 2.8/150.
(also have a 4.5/300 and 3.5/65, for sale)
- Ricoh 500GX rangefinder
- the family's Canon Prima Mini II


Gabor
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Re: Pentax 645 News

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, October 23, 2001, at 06:46  PM, Brian Campbell (PM) wrote:

 Landscapes?  Night shots? anything where you have time
 to compose and consider your exposure?  The bigger neg
 wins out everytime.

Right on.  Now that I've got this SprintScan 120, I'm shooting 
EVERYTHING with my 67, and the only real failing so far is that it isn't 
very quiet, so I can't shoot mellow, intimate club music with it.  But I 
have an LX for that, so everything's okay. :)

-Aaron
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Re: Re: OT:Good weekend it was sunny to

2001-10-24 Thread David Brooks

Sorry Cotty,it was a typo i meant 70 not 90 but
it was an exceptional day,one i get once in a while.
Helps make the payments nudge nudge

Dave

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From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT:Good weekend  it was sunny to


Cotty.I assume you meant the D1 not 30-06 (ha ha)
The price for these in our area run from $20.00 to 
$25.00 Canadian for a 8x10.I charge $20.00, plus
air fare to your neck of the woods(hills)

Thanks Dave,

That's really very reasonable. I work out 25 Can bucks to be about 11 
GBP. I've just done a shoot on a tv set (news titles being shot with 
presenters sat round a big table looking like they know what they're 
doing etc while camera flies past on a crane etc) and am charging 10 
quid 
each. There are 20 shots to choose from.

I think I want to come over to Canada and shoot horses if you sold 90 
prints in an afternoon!

Nice one mate.

Cotty

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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-24 Thread mike wilson

Hi,

Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 Viv Stanshall, one of the greats. Just heard a Public Radio interview with Niel
 Innes a couple of weeks ago. Gonna have to break out my old Bonzo albums now.

Neil (i before e except after the N in Neil...) was in NY
recently and will be in Chicago soon, I think.  See the website:
http://www.neilinnes.org/
All my albums burgled last year (again) so I'm starting the
collection once more.  Looking for the Alberts/Bonzos/Temperance
Seven album.

Just to come slightly back to topic, I'm expecting my LX back
from servicing in St. Petersburg soon.  Interested to see what
it's going to feel like, having been serviced for the first
time.

mike
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Re: Unusual Shooting Technique

2001-10-24 Thread Eric Lawton

Thanks for the response Bob

Yes, Steve McCurry was the guy ... and his grip did look similar to the 
Pentax Grip M you mention.  But, from what I could see, the grip protruded 
down from the right side of the camera rather than the center of the camera. 
  The tv report showed him taking photos in NY on 9/11 using the technique I 
described.  No idea where he is now.

Eric


From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi,

that's Steve McCurry, a Magnum photographer. I have all of his books
and have seen some videos of him shooting, but never saw him use that
technique. The kind of grip you mention sounds like the vertical motor
drive grip that you can get for the MX and LX, and presumably also for
Nikons since that's what he uses. On Planet Pentax it's called the
Battery Grip M, and you can screw it directly into the tripod socket -
you don't need the motor drive. I think the Grip M has a shutter
release, so with the motor attached you wouldn't have to contort your
wrist.

It's also possible, I suppose, that he was using something like the
Leitz table-top tripod with the legs removed.

Inceidentally, Steve McCurry made his name from his coverage of the
Russian invasion of Afghanistan, and has spent most of his life since
then covering the Indian subcontinent (although he also covered the
Gulf War quite spectacularly). I wouldn't be surprised if he's in or
around Afghanistan at the moment.

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Upcoming weekend

2001-10-24 Thread Bill Owens

The wife and I are taking our last camping trip of the year this weekend.
We'll be at the Linville Falls Campground near, needless to say, Linville
Falls.  Hopefully there'll still be some fall colors left in the lower
areas.  I hope to be able to shoot some film at Linville Falls, Grandfather
Mountain, along the Blue Ridge Parkway and Linville Gorge from Wiseman's
View.  The Linville Gorge area is some of the most rugged terrain in the
Eastern US, and is sometimes used as a training area for U.S. Special
Forces.

If any of you are possibly going to be in the area, let me know and we'll
get together.  The weather forecast is calling for lows in the 20's and
highs in the 40's.

Bill, KG4LOV
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Re: Fast 35mm Lenses

2001-10-24 Thread tom

Bob Rapp wrote:
 
 From my experience, the K35 f2.0 is sharper than the M/A f2s. The K3.5 is
 the sharpest of the manual focus lenses and the auto focus FA 35 f2.0 AL is
 reported to knock that marvellous lens over.

The FA is very nice in my limited experience of it.

I had an M 35/2 for a while which I loved. Colors were a bit muted, but
b+w was fantastic.

tv
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Re: Pentax 645n Rules !!!

2001-10-24 Thread tom

Aaron Reynolds wrote:
 
 On Tuesday, October 23, 2001, at 03:24  PM, Ryan Charron wrote:
 
  It just does, that's all there is to it!
 
  No Canon or Nikon even comes close.
 
 While I agree about the 645n's superiority over every device made by
 Canon and Nikon, I must respectfully voice the opinion that THE PENTAX
 67 KICKS ITS ASS.

The 67 is too fat and slow to catch a 645n in order to kick it's ass...

tv
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Re: OT: Pentax 645n Rules !!!

2001-10-24 Thread LEDMRVM

In a message dated 10/24/2001 8:32:56 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  On Tuesday, October 23, 2001, at 03:24  PM, Ryan Charron wrote:
   
It just does, that's all there is to it!
   
No Canon or Nikon even comes close.
   
   While I agree about the 645n's superiority over every device made by
   Canon and Nikon, I must respectfully voice the opinion that THE PENTAX
   67 KICKS ITS ASS.
  
  The 67 is too fat and slow to catch a 645n in order to kick it's ass...
  
  tv
  

...more like rec.photo.35mm every day...

Ed M.
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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-24 Thread Brendan

This sounds like Nikon users saying their 28-80 F4-5.6
is the sharpest cause it's nikon.

--- Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Someone ought to call whoever Canon buy their cheap
 28-80 from and let 
 'em know. :)
 
 Seriously, does anyone believe that Canon make their
 cheapies?
 
 -Aaron
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Bonzos (was: Funny OT: Canon ad= 29

2001-10-24 Thread Mark Roberts

mike wilson wrote:

See the website:
http://www.neilinnes.org/
All my albums burgled last year (again) so I'm starting the
collection once more.  Looking for the Alberts/Bonzos/Temperance
Seven album.

Got it. Want a tape?
My Brother Makes the Noises for the Talkies

-- 
Mark Roberts
www.robertstech.com
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Re: OT: Pentax 645n Rules !!!

2001-10-24 Thread tom

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In a message dated 10/24/2001 8:32:56 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   On Tuesday, October 23, 2001, at 03:24  PM, Ryan Charron wrote:
   
 It just does, that's all there is to it!

 No Canon or Nikon even comes close.
   
While I agree about the 645n's superiority over every device made by
Canon and Nikon, I must respectfully voice the opinion that THE PENTAX
67 KICKS ITS ASS.
 
   The 67 is too fat and slow to catch a 645n in order to kick it's ass...
 
   tv
 
 
 ...more like rec.photo.35mm every day...

Shut up!

BTW, what's the best film for taking pictures of various things?

tv
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Re: A Week in the Life (long response to everyone)

2001-10-24 Thread tom

Well, I don't think I can afford *not* to do digital proofs now...the
client forwarded the link to friends and family yesterday and I've
already got 2 bookings and a couple of orders.

This is good.

So I need to figure out a way to get better b+w scans. Does anyone have
experience with that Kodak scanner that'll scan an entire roll of film
at a time? What are my options for batch scanning?

Probably I should just look for a better lab.

Thanks.

tv
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re: Featured in Shuttebug

2001-10-24 Thread Francis_Alviar

Interesting article Juan.  Photographing people is something that always
interested me.  However, I am not quite too sure how to approach people and
just take their photos.  Do I just fire away without even composing a
little bit of my photograph or simply pretend I'm taking someone else's
picture and not being too obvious shoot at the intended subject?  Do I ask
the person first if I can take their picture.  Then it won't be a candid
shot anymore.

How did you get started?  I'd like to know.

Thanks.


Francis M. Alviar
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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-24 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Aaron Reynolds 
Subject: Re: Funny OT: Canon ad


 Someone ought to call whoever Canon buy their cheap 28-80 from
and let
 'em know. :)

 Seriously, does anyone believe that Canon make their cheapies?

Who else would be willing to?
William Robb
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OT: Amita's Web Page [was RE: Our Faces ]

2001-10-24 Thread oscar7300

Amita,

I enjoyed your web pages -- both the funny and serious 
ones.  Some very interesting links.

I see you've visited the Bronx Botanical Gardens.  
Between the gardens and the zoo, my wife and I never 
tire of the photo opportunites presented by the Bronx 
only 15 minutes from home.

Steve





If anyone wants to see a picture of me,
  look here:

  http://www.picturesofmyfinger.com/aboutme.htm
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Re: OT: Pentax 645n Rules !!!

2001-10-24 Thread Norman Baugher

tom wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 PM, Ryan Charron wrote:

  It just does, that's all there is to it!
 
  No Canon or Nikon even comes close.

 While I agree about the 645n's superiority over every device made by
 Canon and Nikon, I must respectfully voice the opinion that THE PENTAX
 67 KICKS ITS ASS.
  
The 67 is too fat and slow to catch a 645n in order to kick it's ass...
  
tv
  
 
  ...more like rec.photo.35mm every day...

 Shut up!

 BTW, what's the best film for taking pictures of various things?

Yeah, and what's the best lens?
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Re: OT: Pentax 645n Rules !!!

2001-10-24 Thread Norman Baugher

tom wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 PM, Ryan Charron wrote:

  It just does, that's all there is to it!
 
  No Canon or Nikon even comes close.

 While I agree about the 645n's superiority over every device made by
 Canon and Nikon, I must respectfully voice the opinion that THE PENTAX
 67 KICKS ITS ASS.
  
The 67 is too fat and slow to catch a 645n in order to kick it's ass...
  
tv
  
 
  ...more like rec.photo.35mm every day...

 Shut up!

 BTW, what's the best film for taking pictures of various things?

Yeah, and what's the best lens to use, Canon or Nikon?
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K2 shutter vibration question

2001-10-24 Thread Robert Soames Wetmore

I've always admired the K2 as the ultimate of the Pentax K's.  It has a 
feeling of solidity and a weight that bothers some but pleases me.  Like the 
KX, it has DOF preview and MLU, but in some other respects is specified even 
better.  For its time it is a fine manual camera - and quite useful today.

However, I keep hearing that its (Seiko-sha?) metal focal plane shutter 
induces a fair amount of vibration [see typical excerpt below]; this would 
sort of defeat the whole idea of MLU (which is the main reason I am thinking 
of investing in some K2's, to be used with larger glass, as upgrades of my 
K1000's, which I will keep for more portable photography).  Can anyone 
confirm that this is true?  Is there noticeable degradation of image clarity 
- and under what conditions?

From http://ca.geocities.com/spirope/PentaxSLR.htm; :

In addition to its weight, it has two significant drawbacks:  its ASA 
 setting must be the most difficult of any camera ever made, and its 
 first-generation electronic shutter is noisy and vibration prone.   The 
camera gives a kick that is not solved by locking up its mirror (a feature 
it has), which no doubt degrades image quality at slow shutter speeds.

Thanks,

Rob

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RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one

2001-10-24 Thread Matamoros, Cesar A.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Roberts [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:27 PM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
 
 Juan J. Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Matamoros, Cesar A. wrote:
 
 We received our Nikon D1H and D1X yesterday afternoon.  I
  will begin playing with them today.
  
 The manual states that the viewfinder shows 96% of the frame
  recorded. 
 
 Ouch. That means a *really* tiny viewfinder then...
 
 No, I think perhaps you're confusing image coverage with image
 magnification.
 96% coverage (which is what's being discussed here) just means that 4% of
 what's
 recorded by the CCD will be cropped from the view in the viewfinder. The
 remaining 96% can be *magnified* (or reduced or presented life size).
 
 
 -- 
 Mark Roberts
 www.robertstech.com
 
Looking at the specifications - 

Magnification  0.8x with 50-mm  lens set to infinity
and -1.0 m(-1)

César Matamoros II
Panama City, Florida
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New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread Takehiko Ueda

Hi all,

Just a quick news.

MZ-L:
Min shutter speed of 1/4000(synch 1/125), Three spot
AF(Wide and Spot), Auto picture programme with illumination,
and Pentax Function.  W135.5x H92x L63mm, 400g.  JPY67,000,
released in late November

SMC Pentax FA Zoom 28-90/3.5-5.6:
Min distance 0.4m, JPY26,000, released in late November

Pentax has officially announced its stopping producing 6M
CCD digital SLR.  It's because the price will be very high to
achieve the quality level which Pentax is pursuing and
therefore the product will not be very competitive.  They
will continue to strive to make more suitable digital SLR
to the market, and they will do their best to develop
competitive and excellent product with know-how and
experience through the RD.

Sincerely,


Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.tripod.co.jp/hayatama/photo/
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Re: Pentax 645n Rules !!!

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 12:25  PM, tom wrote:

 The 67 is too fat and slow to catch a 645n in order to kick it's ass...

Slow and fat, eh?  Beware of men brandishing 67s and wearing Team Canada 
hockey jerseys, Tom, cuz I forsee a beating in your future. ;)

-Aaron
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Re: Funny OT: Canon ad

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 10:12  AM, William Robb wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Aaron Reynolds 

 Seriously, does anyone believe that Canon make their cheapies?

 Who else would be willing to?

Tamron and Sigma.

-Aaron
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Re: Pentax 645n Rules !!!

2001-10-24 Thread Brendan

I agree the 67 is slow and fat, especially with a
300mm F4 ( or Aaron ) stuck to it, but if it did catch
a 645n or any other camera for that matter it would
definitly kick A$$ :)

 
--- tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Aaron Reynolds wrote:
  
  On Tuesday, October 23, 2001, at 03:24  PM, Ryan
 Charron wrote:
  
   It just does, that's all there is to it!
  
   No Canon or Nikon even comes close.
  
  While I agree about the 645n's superiority over
 every device made by
  Canon and Nikon, I must respectfully voice the
 opinion that THE PENTAX
  67 KICKS ITS ASS.
 
 The 67 is too fat and slow to catch a 645n in order
 to kick it's ass...
 
 tv
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Re: My new 6x7! (questions)

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Tuesday, October 23, 2001, at 09:12  PM, Chris Brogden wrote:

 Ok, since everyone's asking... :)  $580 CAN for the body, 150/2.8, 
 90/2.8
 leaf shutter, AE prism finder, folding waist-level finder, and a wood 
 grip
 with a coldshoe on top.

Holy crap.  I nominate this as the PDML deal of the week.

If you wanna get rid of any parts of that kit, lemme know.  I need the 
waist level finder and maybe the grip.  And the AE prism.  :)

 Do you like the Optex one?  It feels pretty flimsy to me, like I could
 pull it apart with my bare hands easily enough.  Not sure I want to 
 trust
 a 6x7 to it.

Took some getting used to, but yeah, it's a good strap, and the best 
I've tried so far for distributing the weight.  It's one of the older 
ones (with no border around the outside).  I haven't tried the new ones.

Damn, now I keep thinking of what I paid for my 67!

-Aaron
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Re: OT: Pentax 645n Rules !!!

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 12:58  PM, tom wrote:
 BTW, what's the best film for taking pictures of various things?

Kodak, because Fuji film is too green and Agfa film is too orange.  The 
yellow and red of the Kodak film is just right.

-Aaron
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Re: My new 6x7! (questions)

2001-10-24 Thread Norman Baugher

I'm still green with envy and I thought I got a good deal on my 6x7...
Norm

Aaron Reynolds wrote:

 Damn, now I keep thinking of what I paid for my 67!
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Re: A couple of Pentax 67 comments

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 03:08  AM, David A. Mann wrote:

 2) It's a real pain trying to compose a portrait-orientation shot with 
 the waist-
 level finder, especially when you need to do it _quickly_ to shoot that 
 waterfall
 before your cruise boat moves away, just after they gave you a total 
 soaking
 by piloting to within a couple of metres of it :)  I come from the 
 Mamiya RB67
 where shooting vertical means a quick twist of the film back and you 
 just use
 the vertical composing lines in the viewfinder.  I might pick up a prism
 someday although I'm not too happy about the 85% coverage despite the
 weight saving this would give over 100% (the RB's prism weighs a ton).

Get the prism.  You won't regret it.

I haven't yet had a problem with unwanted stuff creeping into the 
frame.  Sure, I'd like a prism with a larger percentage of the neg area 
visible, but I'd rather have this 85% prism for most shooting than the 
waist level finder.

 3) Shooting verticals on a tripod isn't too great either, but thats the 
 RB67
 speaking again.  Luckily enough the Pentax 6x7 is light enough that it 
 doesn't
 significantly unbalance the tripod when tilted over...

See?  Take that, naysayers, the Pentax 67 is LIGHT. :)

Verticals, again, are really helped by the prism.

 4) I really don't like changing the film.  I find it hard to get enough 
 grip on the
 exposed film spool to remove it.  I'm scared I'll get it out just far 
 enough to lose
 my grip and drop the roll before sealing it.  I'll need to get some 
 more practice
 but I am seriously thinking of going to 220 so I won't have to do it as 
 often :)

You get better and faster at it with practice.  At least, I did.  I have 
no trouble unloading the film.  The only slow part of my loading process 
is getting the sprockets to catch on the left hand spool...sometimes it 
takes a bit of jiggling.  Maybe my technique is poor...anyone got any 
suggestions?

 5) I still don't know how the body knows exactly how far to wind the 
 film on to
 get to the first frame after you've advanced to the start index 
 before closing
 the back.

I've wondered this myself, but I've decided that it doesn't bother me, 
since I've never lost a frame due to improper winding.  I have, however, 
gotten into the habit of winding a bit past the arrows, for two reasons:

1) there's lots of space left at the end of the film (usually about 3/4 
of a frame)
2) when I go to labs that aren't me, sometimes people running daylight 
loaders put the 120 film in backwards (because nobody has told them they 
need to roll the film back the opposite way in the darkbox before 
putting it into the cassette), causing the edge of the first frame to be 
fogged.

 6) Battery dependence on the mirror lockup.  I wish there was at least 
 a way
 to release the mirror without taking a picture, otherwise it either 
 costs you a
 frame of film or a drained battery.

I'd like this, too.

What's nice, though, is that the Pentax 67 is a camera with so few 
shortcomings. :)

-Aaron
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Re: Fast 35mm Lenses

2001-10-24 Thread Sas Gabor

Hi,

On 24 Oct 2001 at 9:22, tom wrote:
 I had an M 35/2 for a while which I loved. Colors were a bit muted,
 but b+w was fantastic.

Could you describe these muted colors in detail?
I haven't noticed anything like this so far with M lenses...
(Just bought the M2/35.)


Gabor
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Re: K2 shutter vibration question

2001-10-24 Thread Sas Gabor

Hi, 

On 24 Oct 2001 at 10:29, Robert Soames Wetmore wrote:
 I've always admired the K2 as the ultimate of the Pentax K's.  

It is.

 However, I keep hearing that its (Seiko-sha?) metal focal plane
 shutter induces a fair amount of vibration (...)
 Can anyone confirm that this is true?  Is
 there noticeable degradation of image clarity - and under what
 conditions?

With my M4/100 macro and Soligor 4.5/300 macro and 
some wides, nothing special. You can easily feel the heavy 
vibration, but as far as I can tell, the most of it happens when
the shutter closes, so it shakes the camera after the exposure.
 
 From http://ca.geocities.com/spirope/PentaxSLR.htm; :
 In addition to its weight, it has two significant drawbacks:  its ASA
 setting must be the most difficult of any camera ever made, 

IMO the ISO setting isn't bad at all. The exposure compensation is another thing: full 
stops only, 
too easy to move without notice.

  and its
  first-generation electronic shutter is noisy and vibration prone. 
  The camera gives a kick that is not solved by locking up its mirror (a
  feature it has), which no doubt degrades image quality at slow
  shutter speeds.

Modern shutters are better at this, no doubt.
Use MLU, a good tripod, and try to avoid speeds between 1/4 and 1/15...

I like my K2 a lot! 


Gabor
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RE: Cheating

2001-10-24 Thread David Hatfield

Gabor,

I've always wanted to hear from someone who actually used a Kiev88 and get
their opinion since I have frequently considered purchasing one.  I've often
heard, though, of serious reliability issues with them and wanted to get the
input of someone with hands-on experience.

I'd love to have your opinion.  Since this is considerably OT for this list
if you want to reply off list just write me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks!

Dave

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Sas Gabor
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cheating

Hi,

On 21 Oct 2001 at 1:26, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Any of you all use equipment other than
 Pentax at times?

I use:
- Kiev88 with 3.5/45, 2.8/80 and 2.8/150.
(also have a 4.5/300 and 3.5/65, for sale)
- Ricoh 500GX rangefinder
- the family's Canon Prima Mini II


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RE: New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread Mick Maguire

or now, it would seem. Little

Regards,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Dayton
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New products and No-production


L could mean LAST

Bruce Dayton

- Original Message - 
From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: New products and No-production


 On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 10:47  AM, Takehiko Ueda wrote:
  MZ-L:
 
 L for...*gasp* LIMITED??
 
 -Aaron
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Re: New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread Robert Harris

Bruce Dayton wrote:

 L could mean LAST

Or even Lousy. :)
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More official info on Digital SLR

2001-10-24 Thread Mark Erickson

This came up on the DPReview site:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp 

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RE: Chasseur d'Images Pentax Lens Ratings

2001-10-24 Thread RDJ92807

No typo.  The Pentax lens is FA 28-105/3.2-4.5.  It's the new one.

Robert
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Re: New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread Bruce Dayton

I believe it means LATE

Bruce Dayton

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Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: New products and No-production


 Bruce Dayton wrote:
 
  L could mean LAST
 
 Or even Lousy. :)
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Re: OT: Leica (fwd)

2001-10-24 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Paul Jones wrote:

 Its a strange lense, the bokeh does look like fog.

It's called Industar glow.

:-)

j
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RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one

2001-10-24 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Matamoros, Cesar A. wrote:

   Looking at the specifications - 
 
   Magnification  0.8x with 50-mm  lens set to infinity
 and -1.0 m(-1)

So that *does* mean a tiny viewfinder. Keep in mind that not all the
24x36 original frame is shown, so you start with a small image. Add
that .8x magnification, and you get what, about 1/3 to 1/4 of the size
of the MX viewfinder?

Or am I still missing something?

j

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Re: New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread Bruce Dayton

Maybe L as in LX?

Bruce Dayton

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: New products and No-production


 On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 10:47  AM, Takehiko Ueda wrote:
  MZ-L:
 
 L for...*gasp* LIMITED??
 
 -Aaron
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RE: Non-Pentax equipment

2001-10-24 Thread John Francis

 If your need is so great, fine. Lie to us. We won't know the 
 difference. You will. The question is then, Will it matter
 to you that you lied to  show off your shot? I can't answer
 this. Only you can.
 
 Regards,
 Bob...

My, Shel was right - it *did* get nasty, didn't it?

I don't need to lie to you to get my images shown anywhere.
But if it matter to you that much, don't worry - I'd be quite
happy to have all my images removed from the Pentax gallery.
I don't think I'll bother to submit to any future galleries,
either.   In fact I think I'll just unsubscribe from the PDML.



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Re: Chasseur d'Images Pentax Lens Ratings

2001-10-24 Thread tom

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 No typo.  The Pentax lens is FA 28-105/3.2-4.5.  It's the new one.

I was told this one wouldn't be available in the U.S

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A=20Pentax=20Digital=20NEWS=21=20Part=20one? =

2001-10-24 Thread Mark Roberts

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Matamoros, Cesar A. wrote:

  Looking at the specifications - 
 
  Magnification  0.8x with 50-mm  lens set to infinity
 and -1.0 m(-1)

So that *does* mean a tiny viewfinder. Keep in mind that not all the
24x36 original frame is shown, so you start with a small image. Add
that .8x magnification, and you get what, about 1/3 to 1/4 of the size
of the MX viewfinder?

Or am I still missing something?

I think so but I'm afraid I'm missing the same thing.

It looks as if the magnification spec above refers to magnification in relationship
to view of the actual scene (or how the human eye sees it), rather than
to the image being put on film. (After all the magnification ratio between
the image on film and the image in the viewfinder is the same no matter
what lens you use and how it's focused, so why specify 50mm at infinity?)


-- 
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Re: New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread tom

Bruce Dayton wrote:
 
 Maybe L as in LX?

List price is about $US550, it's got a lower shutter speed and flash
sync, plus smiley-face mode.

This ain't the big one.

I wonder if the designation means that there's no more MZ-number series
bodies, and we'll see a line of slant topped MZ-Letter bodies to come.

And no MZ-1...?

tv (sometimes I can't help but speculate)
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Re: New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

C'mon, guys, I'm trying to stir up endless speculation about the 
features, specs and price of this camera from only its name and 
dimensions.  You're really disappointing me!

-Aaron

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Re: A Week in the Life (long response to everyone)

2001-10-24 Thread tom

Rob Studdert wrote:
 

 The new Nikon 4000 has a full roll batch scan capability FWIW.

Thanks...I've got to decide if I really want to spend hours scanning my
negs...

I still can't send you mail directly, and that was with a second smtp
server.

tv
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RE: Chasseur d'Images Pentax Lens Ratings

2001-10-24 Thread Ed

Hmmm.  I must have missed this one..

Thanks,
Ed
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 No typo.  The Pentax lens is FA 28-105/3.2-4.5.  It's the new one.
 
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Re: My new 6x7! (questions)

2001-10-24 Thread Chris Brogden

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, William Robb wrote:

 Here is the sequence:
 1) Set the camera to 1/8 second. Do not use a different speed
 when using the leaf shutter. Not ever.
 Never.

Oops, too late.  I've already tried it at several different speeds, as it
didn't specify anything about tht in the manual.  :(  Is that bad?  I
didn't have any film in the camera, if that matters.

 2) Set the aperture to the desired value.
 3) Set the lens shutter to the desired speed.
 4) Cock the camera shutter.
 5) Cock the lens shutter, This is done with the ring on the very
 front of the lens. Do not adjust the lens shutter speed after
 cocking the shutter.
 6) Take the picture.

Thanks!  I'll try this out when I put some film through it.
 
[snip]

Thanks for all the info, Bill!  Much appreciated.

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Re: Pentax 645 News

2001-10-24 Thread Cotty

 But I don't really do landscapes. People. And that's 35 mil all over it.
 
 Rambling,
 Cotty

I dunno, I LOVE shooting people in 6 x 7.  Since I got my 67II, 
I almost don't like using 35mm anymore.  Formal portraits, 
casual portraits, kids portraits, are S much better
handled by the 6x7 negative, what happens when that child's
parents want an 11 x 14 of their kid?  The advantage over 
35mm becomes clear pretty soon.

I take your point, Brian. I'm afraid all my portraits are 'casual' - I 
don't think I've used a tripod for one in almost 20 years! I print up to 
A3 (about 15X11) on an inkjet no problem at all. Sure if you look close, 
you can see the drops of ink, but why look so close? Bigger prints are 
meant to be seen a bit further back.


Landscapes?  Night shots? anything where you have time
to compose and consider your exposure?  The bigger neg
wins out everytime. 

Maybe. I spend all day setting up a dirty great big video camera and huge 
tripod. Can't wait to get away from them. That's why I like 35mm so much. 
I love the freedom to duck and dive with the camera, hunting out the best 
angle, and as you say 'consider and compose' -  I just do it very quickly.

To some degree this is possible with medium format. In the early 80s I 
had a Mamiya RB67 and ducking and diving with that was just about do-able 
(I'm a big guy...) but nothing like 35 mm. I don't want to get into a 35 
vs med debate; I know each has it's pluses and minuses - and different 
peeps use them in different ways...

Where the 35mm rules is getting those fast moving
subjects like hyperactive kids at play or actors on stage... 

Check out my November PUG offering...
 
35mm works well for actors headshots and newspaper style
promos that won't see over 8 x 10.  Also when out with a tripod 
and the 600mm shooting birds or that grizzly bear with cubs  

Wildlife! I am in awe of anyone with the patience to wait for the right 
moment to capture the Lesser Spotted Throat-Warbler Mangrove Nih Nih 
Luxury Yacht Bird, and in even more awe regarding Grizzly Bears! My 
sister's bloke has been to the arctic to photograph Polar Bears with an 
ETRS kit including some bloody big glass - more like the gun off a 
battleship than something to do with a camera. I take my hat off to you 
wildlife snappers. Me? I tried and got too bored. Love looking at the 
results though (anyone's - not mine). Honest, on a walk to the river last 
summer, and a pair of swans and some signets lazied down the Thames 
(pronounced 'Tems'). I had the 70-200 aboard an MX with monopod. Now I 
ask you - how can anyone mess that up? I did: the pics were a complete 
'bag-o-shyite'  as they say up north in Manchester. There was maybe 
one semi-decent one, but it just didn't have the sparkle that I like my 
pics to have. It didn't have that 'Je ne sais quoi'.

Humans I have no problem with. Swans I do!

Cheers,

Cotty

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Re: New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread Brendan

Lets not speculate and wait and see what this beast
really is. but 3 point AF 1/4000 and 1/125 sync sounds
like Pentax is going after the Max 5

--- tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bruce Dayton wrote:
  
  Maybe L as in LX?
 
 List price is about $US550, it's got a lower shutter
 speed and flash
 sync, plus smiley-face mode.
 
 This ain't the big one.
 
 I wonder if the designation means that there's no
 more MZ-number series
 bodies, and we'll see a line of slant topped
 MZ-Letter bodies to come.
 
 And no MZ-1...?
 
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re: Featured in Shuttebug

2001-10-24 Thread Juan J. Buhler

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Interesting article Juan.  Photographing people is something that always
 interested me.  However, I am not quite too sure how to approach people and
 just take their photos.  Do I just fire away without even composing a
 little bit of my photograph or simply pretend I'm taking someone else's
 picture and not being too obvious shoot at the intended subject?  Do I ask
 the person first if I can take their picture.  Then it won't be a candid
 shot anymore.
 
 How did you get started?  I'd like to know.

I am getting started. I'm still extremely shy, although I have days in
which I just shoot away without problems.

I never ask for permission, just because you get mostly posed shots
when you do so. Sometimes you make eye contact with the subject after
shooting, in those cases smiling is all you need. Rarely, people will
ask you why you are taking pictures, in that case is good to have a
card with the url of your web site if you have one, offer a print of
them if the pictures are good, etc. 

This page pretty much sums my experience doing street photography:

http://www.jbuhler.com/streetphoto.html

j

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Re: New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread Bruce Dayton

Sounds like combining the ZX-7 with the ZX-3.

Bruce Dayton

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Subject: Re: New products and No-production


 Lets not speculate and wait and see what this beast
 really is. but 3 point AF 1/4000 and 1/125 sync sounds
 like Pentax is going after the Max 5
 
 --- tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Bruce Dayton wrote:
   
   Maybe L as in LX?
  
  List price is about $US550, it's got a lower shutter
  speed and flash
  sync, plus smiley-face mode.
  
  This ain't the big one.
  
  I wonder if the designation means that there's no
  more MZ-number series
  bodies, and we'll see a line of slant topped
  MZ-Letter bodies to come.
  
  And no MZ-1...?
  
  tv (sometimes I can't help but speculate)
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Re: New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread Michael Nosal

At 02:33 PM 10/24/01 -0700, you wrote:
Bruce Dayton wrote:
 
 Maybe L as in LX?

List price is about $US550, it's got a lower shutter speed and flash
sync, plus smiley-face mode.

This ain't the big one.

Sounds like it might be a successor to the MZ-7.

That would make the MZ-S a successor to the MZ-3/MZ-5.

That leaves room at the top for a PZ-1p replacement.

--Mike
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Re: K2 shutter vibration question

2001-10-24 Thread Robert Soames Wetmore

I think the part about shutter vibration is complete bullsh*t. Perhaps the 
metal shutter vibrates a *little* more than the cloth shutter of the other 
K cameras. But enough to negate the benefits of locking up the mirror???
Hogwash.
[...]
Between its mass and mirror lock-up it produces *very* sharp images
(given a good lens, of course).

Mark Roberts


This is excellent news - thank you for your opinion, Mark.  This was my 
first thought too: that the camera's mass and MLU would lend it to excellent 
sharpness (assuming stability, lens quality, etc.).  Also, though I've 
repeatedly heard of these shutter vibration rumors, I have seen no proof in 
a picture.  A lot depends on when these vibrations happen with regard to the 
exposure - as Sas Gabor mentions below, it may be after the shutter is 
already closed.



You can easily feel the heavy vibration, but as far as I can tell, the 
 most of it happens when the shutter closes, so it shakes the camera 
 after the exposure.
[...]
I like my K2 a lot! Sas Gabor


Good to know!  Thank you for your opinion as well.



I think we also should include the vibration because our heart beats when 
the camera is hand holded and... Alexandre Suaide


I'm not sure if you meant this as a joke, but I actually have this very 
problem.  It is a major factor in shooting hand-held.  Particularly if I 
hold my breath and if I'm using a moderate telephoto, I can feel and see the 
rhythmic (sometime a-rhythmic) movement of my heart very clearly.  I do not 
know whether this is related to my minor heart condition - it's not exactly 
Marfin's syndrome, which would make hand-held shooting impossible, but the 
slightly uneven heart pulse may be enough to cause shaking in the limbs 
which is barely perceptible except in making hand held shooting more 
difficult.  In fact, something like 20% (not sure of the exact number) walk 
around with a similar heart condition without being aware of it - it is not 
generally life-threating.  I'm not trying to plead a special case here or 
illicit sympathy (and I wasn't the least bit upset by your comment) but, 
even for those with perfect hearts, the steadiness of the hands is greatly 
influenced by the heart - once proper breathing is learned, the heart beat 
is the limiting factor of steadiness in hand-held photography.

Rob

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New Products

2001-10-24 Thread dick graham

I must have been asleep at the computer, but I missed the original thread 
on the MZ-L.  Was this for real or is it one of our PDML creations?  What 
was the source?

DG
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RE: Chasseur d'Images Pentax Lens Ratings

2001-10-24 Thread Cyril MARION

As required, here are the Cd'I last issues :

October (#237):
- Konika M-Hexanon 50mm f/1,2 ltd
* SMC-Pentax FA 200mm f/4 macro IF ED
* SMC-Pentax FA 28-105mm f/3,2-4,5 AL IF
* SMC-Pentax FA 31mm f/1,8 AL Ltd

November (#238):
- Canon EF 70-200mm f/2,8 L IS USM
- Leica Tri-Elmar-M 28-35-50mm f/4 asph
- Nikkor 45mm f/2,8 P
- Sigma AF 15-30mm f/3,5-4,5 EX DG Asph.

And for previous issues,

September 2001 (#236):
- Konika M-Hexanon 35mm f/2
- Sigma AF 28-70mm f/2,8 EX DF Asph.
- Voigtlander Ultron 28mm f/1,9
- Tamron AF 70-300mm f/4-5,6 LD Macro
* the comprehensive MZ-S test

July-August 2001 (#235):
- Nikkor AF 28-80mm f/3,3-5,6 G
- Nikkor AF 70-300mm f/4-5,6 G
* SMC-Pentax FA 24-90mm f/3,5-4,5 AL IF
- Sigma AF 24-90mm f/2,8 EX DF Asph.

Do not hesitate to ask me for details on these tests or issues

Cheers,

Cyril


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Objet : Chasseur d'Images Pentax Lens Ratings


I just got the Oct 2001 editionexcellent tests on the Pentax 31/1.8 LTD
(did very well), Pentax 200/4 FA Macro and Pentax 28-105/3.2-4.5 FA.

I missed the August and September 2001 issues.  Can someone email me the
list
of lenes tested in these issues?  I would greatly appreciate it.  Thanks.

Robert James
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Re: K2 shutter vibration question

2001-10-24 Thread Alexandre Suaide

Robert Soames Wetmore wrote:
 

 
 I think we also should include the vibration because our heart beats when
 the camera is hand holded and... Alexandre Suaide
 
 
 I'm not sure if you meant this as a joke, but I actually have this very
 problem.  It is a major factor in shooting hand-held.  Particularly if I
 hold my breath and if I'm using a moderate telephoto, I can feel and see the

It depends on the situation. For some people it really makes difference. Using
long lens sometimes we can notice that. But, anyway, there are so many factors
in Nature that could make the camera vibrates that is impossible to eliminate 
all of them. The main point is we should learn to live with them. Even the better
camera in the world with bet better tripod is not vibration free.

Alex

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RE: Chasseur d'Images Pentax Lens Ratings

2001-10-24 Thread Mark Roberts

I haven't heard about that Sigma 24-90/2.8 anywhere before.
If it's any good I may be screaming amateur soon ;)

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As required, here are the Cd'I last issues :
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July-August 2001 (#235):
- Nikkor AF 28-80mm f/3,3-5,6 G
- Nikkor AF 70-300mm f/4-5,6 G
* SMC-Pentax FA 24-90mm f/3,5-4,5 AL IF
- Sigma AF 24-90mm f/2,8 EX DF Asph.


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Re: New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread Brendan

A MZ-3 with smiley face mode, 'cringes'

--- Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sounds like combining the ZX-7 with the ZX-3.
 
 Bruce Dayton
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:58 AM
 Subject: Re: New products and No-production
 
 
  Lets not speculate and wait and see what this
 beast
  really is. but 3 point AF 1/4000 and 1/125 sync
 sounds
  like Pentax is going after the Max 5
  
  --- tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Bruce Dayton wrote:

Maybe L as in LX?
   
   List price is about $US550, it's got a lower
 shutter
   speed and flash
   sync, plus smiley-face mode.
   
   This ain't the big one.
   
   I wonder if the designation means that there's
 no
   more MZ-number series
   bodies, and we'll see a line of slant topped
   MZ-Letter bodies to come.
   
   And no MZ-1...?
   
   tv (sometimes I can't help but speculate)
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Re: New Products

2001-10-24 Thread Brendan

Reliable enough, see below

From: Takehiko Ueda [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: New products and No-production 
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
Hi all,

Just a quick news.

MZ-L:
Min shutter speed of 1/4000(synch 1/125), Three spot
AF(Wide and Spot), Auto picture programme with
illumination,
and Pentax Function.  W135.5x H92x L63mm, 400g. 
JPY67,000,
released in late November

SMC Pentax FA Zoom 28-90/3.5-5.6:
Min distance 0.4m, JPY26,000, released in late
November

Pentax has officially announced its stopping producing
6M
CCD digital SLR.  It's because the price will be very
high to
achieve the quality level which Pentax is pursuing
and
therefore the product will not be very competitive. 
They
will continue to strive to make more suitable digital
SLR
to the market, and they will do their best to
develop
competitive and excellent product with know-how and
experience through the RD.

--- dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I must have been asleep at the computer, but I
 missed the original thread 
 on the MZ-L.  Was this for real or is it one of our
 PDML creations?  What 
 was the source?
 
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Re: New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 02:58  PM, Brendan wrote:

 Lets not speculate and wait and see what this beast
 really is.

No, no, SPECULATE AWAY!

There's nothing more fun than re-reading the speculative threads after 
the product has actually come out. :)

-Aaron
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Re: Pentax 645 News

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 01:21  PM, Cotty wrote:

 I take your point, Brian. I'm afraid all my portraits are 'casual' - I
 don't think I've used a tripod for one in almost 20 years!

I don't regularly use a tripod with my 67.  The camera does not demand 
it any more than your 35mm, other than perhaps to let the weight off of 
your shoulders for a bit. :)

If I'm out walking around and shooting landscapey stuff, I'll take the 
monopod.  If I'm shooting in low light I'll take the monopod.  I don't 
think I've used a tripod outside of a studio setting in at least a 
couple of years.

-Aaron
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Re: Non-Pentax equipment

2001-10-24 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Wednesday, October 24, 2001, at 02:17  PM, John Francis wrote:

 I don't need to lie to you to get my images shown anywhere.
 But if it matter to you that much, don't worry - I'd be quite
 happy to have all my images removed from the Pentax gallery.
 I don't think I'll bother to submit to any future galleries,
 either.   In fact I think I'll just unsubscribe from the PDML.

John...didn't you just say in the post before this that if I want to 
send in something shot on non-Pentax equipment I know that I'll have to 
lie about it?  I'm totally missing what's so offensive about Bob's post.

-Aaron
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RE: Relocating to Paris

2001-10-24 Thread Cyril MARION

Hello Mike,

I would be pleased to meet you  wife when you are in Paris.

Unfortunately, at the date of today, you share a specific parisan problem
with thousands of people coming to Paris and looking for exactly the same
thing as you're looking for : a place to live, not too expensive, not too
badly located, not too far from city centre, etc.
The worse month to come is septemebre, as many students are seeking for a
room. Best is Januray when students who fail to follow the courses decide to
leave Paris. Some specialized newspaper can help you to find an appartment;
have a look to particulier a particulier. They have a website which is
www.pap.fr. Otherwise go to yahoo.fr and make a search with
location+appartement+paris
For your information all big new cities around paris are what can be called
the bad subburbs such as (excuse me if some pdm listers live there) Evry,
Cergy-Pontoise, Velizy... I would not recommend that at the biginning. I
would recommend to start with a small appartment in Paris Itself, it's not
more expensive than in the close subburbs, and it has a central position.
Velizy is in the south-west subburbs, difficult to access by car / train
from Paris; the main 2 airports are Orly (south) and Roissy (north)
accessible by 2 big high ways

I hope it helps,

Do not hesitate to mail me off list for futher help

Cheers,

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I know this is way off topic, but I'd appreciate any pointers from someone
who's been there...

My girlfriend and I are probably (70%) relocating to Paris for 2+ years
starting in January.  Our respective companies are handling the work visas,
her co. is picking up the moving bill, we just need to find a place to live.
  Can anyone help with online resources for apartment rentals?
Neighborhoods to stay out of (crime, price)?  How are the suburbs?  My new
office will be in Velizy, her job is 80% travel through Europe.  We're
headed over next month but want to have a look over the web now if
possible...

Any replies are appreciated, off-list is fine.  Sorry for posting this to
the PDML but it's the only international list I'm on and my web searches
aren't bearing much fruit.


Mike Y.

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RE: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A=20C hasseur=20d=27Images=20Pentax=20Lens=20 Ratings?=

2001-10-24 Thread Mark Roberts

On second thought, I think it's a misprint and they were referring to the
24-70/2.8

I haven't heard about that Sigma 24-90/2.8 anywhere before.
If it's any good I may be screaming amateur soon ;)

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As required, here are the Cd'I last issues :
snip
July-August 2001 (#235):
- Nikkor AF 28-80mm f/3,3-5,6 G
- Nikkor AF 70-300mm f/4-5,6 G
* SMC-Pentax FA 24-90mm f/3,5-4,5 AL IF
- Sigma AF 24-90mm f/2,8 EX DF Asph.


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Re: New Products

2001-10-24 Thread dick graham

I notice Paal hasn't weighed in with his comments or inside information on 
this new body.  If this is to be introduced in November maybe there is a 
photo out there of it.

DG



At 03:26 PM 10/24/01 -0400, you wrote:
Reliable enough, see below

From: Takehiko Ueda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New products and No-production
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi all,

Just a quick news.

MZ-L:
Min shutter speed of 1/4000(synch 1/125), Three spot
AF(Wide and Spot), Auto picture programme with
illumination,
and Pentax Function.  W135.5x H92x L63mm, 400g.
JPY67,000,
released in late November

SMC Pentax FA Zoom 28-90/3.5-5.6:
Min distance 0.4m, JPY26,000, released in late
November

Pentax has officially announced its stopping producing
6M
CCD digital SLR.  It's because the price will be very
high to
achieve the quality level which Pentax is pursuing
and
therefore the product will not be very competitive.
They
will continue to strive to make more suitable digital
SLR
to the market, and they will do their best to
develop
competitive and excellent product with know-how and
experience through the RD.

--- dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I must have been asleep at the computer, but I
  missed the original thread
  on the MZ-L.  Was this for real or is it one of our
  PDML creations?  What
  was the source?
 
  DG
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RE: Chasseur d'Images Pentax Lens Ratings

2001-10-24 Thread Cyril MARION

Sorry, typing error. Shoud have typed :

- Sigma AF 24-70mm f/2,8 EX DF aspherical

I was thinking of the Pentax one when typing...
Cyril


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Objet : RE: Chasseur d'Images Pentax Lens Ratings


I haven't heard about that Sigma 24-90/2.8 anywhere before.
If it's any good I may be screaming amateur soon ;)

-- Original Message --

As required, here are the Cd'I last issues :
snip
July-August 2001 (#235):
- Nikkor AF 28-80mm f/3,3-5,6 G
- Nikkor AF 70-300mm f/4-5,6 G
* SMC-Pentax FA 24-90mm f/3,5-4,5 AL IF
- Sigma AF 24-90mm f/2,8 EX DF Asph.


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Re: Non-Pentax equipment

2001-10-24 Thread tom

John Francis wrote:
 
 My, Shel was right - it *did* get nasty, didn't it?
 
 I don't need to lie to you to get my images shown anywhere.
 But if it matter to you that much, don't worry - I'd be quite
 happy to have all my images removed from the Pentax gallery.
 I don't think I'll bother to submit to any future galleries,
 either.   In fact I think I'll just unsubscribe from the PDML.

Oh, come on! 

tv
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RE: Non-Pentax equipment

2001-10-24 Thread Cotty

Never mind - if I want to send in something shot on non-Pentax
equipment I know that I'll have to lie about it.  Doesn't worry me.

I find that rather sad.

:-(

Cotty

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K135/2.5 BIN $100

2001-10-24 Thread Juan J. Buhler

I don't care for it, but I'm sure someone here will. The title of the auction
says f3.5, but the lens is a f2.5, and is described so too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1289309618

Just thought it'd be good if someone from the list got it...

j



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Press Release for MZ-L

2001-10-24 Thread Takehiko Ueda

Hi all,

Here is brief translation of the official press release
for the coming MZ-L

**
Small and light weight AF SLR
PENTAX MZ-L
Applying to various photo-shooting styles, from beginners
to high amateur

Asahi Optical Co., Ltd. (President: Mr Fumio Urano) will
start selling small and light weight AF SLR, MZ-L from
the late November, 2001.  The MZ-L has rich functions for
from snap-shots to creative photo-shooting, thus meets the
needs of beginners as well as high amateurs.

The product is equipped with Auto Picture Programme with
Illumination, which automatically configures the best
exposure programme mode and shows the mode with
illumination, so its operation is very easy to understand.
In addition, the AF SLR will meet the needs for higher
level of photography with such functions as 1/4000 shutter,
Pentax Functions, Three-Spotted AF (Wide/Spot), and
Auto-Bracketing.

Price and Release Date
Product Name: PENTAX MZ-L
Release Date: Late November, 2001
Price: JPY67,000 (excluding tax)
Production Quantity: 10,000/month

Features
1. Auto Picture Programme with Illumination
MZ-L succeeds the easy to operate Auto Picture Programme
with Illumination, which was equipped to MZ-7 (sold August,
1999).  It automatically configures the most appropriate
programme mode according to the shooting style such as
portrait, scenery, macro, or sports.  It also shows the
adopted picture mode with illumination, which makes the
camera very easy to understand and operate.

2. 1/4000 Shutter
The minimum shutter speed is 1/4000, and flash synch speed
is 1/125.

3. Pentax Functions
You can configure at total 11 functions as you like, which
includes Auto Bracketing value, release timing with remote
controller, simultaneous AE lock with AF lock.

4. Selectable AF Area
You can select with dedicated lever from three-spoted wide
AF to Spot AF.

5. New Dedicated Flash System
You can use wireless fill-in, high speed synch etc. with
new Pentax AF360FGZ flash.

6. Auto-Bracketing
You can choose auto-bracketing value from +-1/2, +-1/3,
+-2/3, or +-1EV.

7. Others
i. Six Picture Programme modes with pictograms
ii. Auto flash pop-up
iii. IR remote control, selectable from real time release
and three-second blank
iv. Low speed warning changing the viewfinder indication
from green to orange
v. AE lock
vi. Electric Preview
vii. Adjustable viewfinder


Sincerely,


Take Ueda, Osaka, Japan
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RE: Press Release for MZ-L

2001-10-24 Thread Bob Rapp

Now we know the L is for Lite

Bob

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Subject: Press Release for MZ-L


Hi all,

Here is brief translation of the official press release
for the coming MZ-L
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Re: New products and No-production

2001-10-24 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen

At 23:47 24.10.2001 +0900, you wrote:
Pentax has officially announced its stopping producing 6M
CCD digital SLR.  It's because the price will be very high to
achieve the quality level which Pentax is pursuing and
therefore the product will not be very competitive. 

Practically this means : those who wish for a professional
level digital SLR are forced to go looking at Nikon ? 6M and
larger CCD and/or CMOS imagers are pretty soon everywhere. I am sure
SLRs with full frame sensor will come out as well (any time now).

I suppose Pentax do not wish to tell us the real reason, which propably is
technical problems with the Philips CCD.

And I hoped I could use my SMC lenses... OK, I'm back scanning my 4x5
slides. That's the digital quality I want!

Antti-Pekka

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