RE: Virus/Worm Suspect
Thanks Kent, but unlikely as I download twice a day, and do not leave a copy on the server. In addition, previous messages from my ISP have always included their own address, as in [EMAIL PROTECTED], but this one did not. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Monday, December 03, 2001 11:55 PM, Kent Gittings [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Sounds more like your ISP is telling you your mailbox on their server has reached the individual limit for message storage. I've seen this a lot when I send a message to somebody who hasn't been down loading their mail because of vacation, etc., and it will send one to the sender saying basically you need to resend it later after the message store has been reduced. Kent Gittings - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Virius alert
Doing my nightly browse, I came across this: Australian PC immune systems have come under attack with the arrival of the latest highly contagious computer virus in Australia. John Walker from computer security company Henge Systems said the so-called Goner virus, which disables anti-virus programs, was able to mass e-mail itself to other computers. The powerful virus began its rapid spread through Europe and the United States overnight. He said the virus usually arrived with the e-mail subject Hi and always had the attachment gone.scr about a new screen saver - which should be deleted immediately. Regards, Bob Rapp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: some interesting thoughts of alcohol consumers
Hi, ...and did you remove your bikini? --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, December 05, 2001, 6:17:45 AM, you wrote: This was introduced to me as a beverage called a Bermuda Bikini Remover... 3 parts rum, 1 part gin, and vodka to taste. Stir gently into a glass of shredded ice and sweetened heavy cream. Pour off the ice into a martini glass and enjoy. It works equally well without the gin and vodka, I would add. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography?
In a message dated 12/4/01 10:39:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's why race cars run itty-bitty tires ~Which~ race cars run itty-bitty tires? If what you call itty-bitty is race cars whose tires measure up to 20 at the wheel, up to 14 wide on the ground itty-bitty, then you're right. The illusion of small is just that; an illusion. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
In a message dated 12/4/01 10:42:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree 1000%. Until I can do everything with digital I can with film, until I can take digital media into a good lab and get great results, I am not inclined to invest any further in it. Let's see... I can spend my time messing wth software and printers, or I can let someone else do that part while I'm out pressing the shutter release. Valid points, but you *can* do this with good labs. Yes, but the expense is outrageously unreasonable for just a few prints. always argue that the price of printers, paper and ink need to be factored into comparing digital and film cameras? Precisely because you don't need the above to see prints. You don't even need a computer: go to the drugstore-etc., open package and look. And why do digital advocates always assume that Granny has a computer or some other means to see their ofttimes shabby product? good minilab into the purchase of your film camera? That's a Shibboleth. If you don't want to print them yourself, take the files to a good lab and let them do it...just like film. Don's Photo, for example, charges the same for prints from digital files as from film. This isn't a rant against you, Tom, but against those people who criticize digital cameras because of problems with home printing. Another good reason to shoot film: ~you~ only need a camera and eyes to shoot and Granny only need eyes to view them, the way it's been for more than a one-hundred years. What did ~you~ do before you had a digital? In that regard, the digital is equal to or better than film argument falls squarely on its expensive face. Those who argue the convenience of small format digital, without considering the cost to an individual, disregard one fundamental fact: small format digital owners pay, in terms of replacing or upgrading equipment, ink-etc., huge sums of money to get what are essentially dinky home printed images. Small format digital printing is expensive and for the most part, SUX. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
In a message dated 12/4/01 11:30:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is just a matter of time, though, and after some more years pass I fully expect to see kick-ass quality digital come down to affordable levels That may be years before ~small format~ digital gets to be as inexpensive as that $14.96 35mm autofocus PS at Walmart. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What does The Prisoner say about anecdotal evidence? g
In a message dated 12/4/01 11:47:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ci·vil·ian (s-vlyn) n. A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who is not an active member of the military or police. adj.Of or relating to civilians or civil life; nonmilitary: civilian You and me are civilians (outsiders) to people in the medical field. We are civilains to ice carvers, carpenters, firefighters, professional ice skaters, NFL players, world class Chessmasters-etc. Get it: civilian = outsiders? Think of it this way: persons not part of the PDML are civilians. Get it now? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What does The Prisoner say about anecdotal evidence? g
In a message dated 12/4/01 11:48:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think you're reaching for a different word, Mafud. Maybe accredited or something similar? PJ's are employed by companies for a purpose, which differentiates them to some degree from casual shooters, but they're still civilians. chris Civilians: = outsiders. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sigma 100-300 F/4
I don't know about the Sigma, but if you don't mind manual focus, you can check out the SMC PENTAX-A 70-210/4 which is pretty good, but available 2ndhand only. regards, Alan Chan From: Christien Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sigma 100-300 F/4 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:47:15 -0400 Hi all. This is my first post here. I'm very much interested in getting the Sigma 100-300 f/4 or a lens of this type. As for now I have a Pentax MZM. The MZM does wonders for a little guy. Has anyone had experience with Sigma Lens on the MZ-M. Especially the new AF lens of constant aperture. Hopefully later on I'll move up to the upcomming MZ-6 or even the MZ-S. Christien Bunting http://linux.co.tt/pics - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography?
Hi Mafud, I was being facetious. The poster I was responding to said that the size of a tire's footprint doesn't affect braking. Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/4/01 10:39:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's why race cars run itty-bitty tires ~Which~ race cars run itty-bitty tires? If what you call itty-bitty is race cars whose tires measure up to 20 at the wheel, up to 14 wide on the ground itty-bitty, then you're right. The illusion of small is just that; an illusion. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: December PUG
Did you watch South Park, the movie, Bill? G... Norm William Robb wrote: Didn't the Canadians nearly take Washington DC in some border dispute at some point? William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
Tom wrote: I expect folks on this list to be friendly, courteous, and self-restrained. In the couple of years I have been here they have. Occasionally, some of us get out of line. A friendly private reminder has always gotten things straightened out. Sure, but this is not commensurate with your statement that people can post whatever is on their mind - what kind of self-restrain is that?. It is this statement I strongly disagree with. In fact, Mike did just that; giving a friendly reminder but you didn't feel comfortable with that in spite of your position of tolerating everything. This is double standard. If people should be free to post whatever is on their mind why not Mike? Calling Mike and others censory types grossly misses the mark... As has been mentioned here before, many of us see this as list for Pentax Users, rather than a list about Pentax cameras. That makes for an interesting list. I can not imagine anyone who is not trying to make themselves out to be the Pentax Guru staying on a pure equipment list for more than a few weeks. There are people on this list who have been here for years. The way it is seems to suit most of them. This is an equipment list. This also means that what you put in your equipment is also on topic. People are far to quick in putting OT in front of perfectly on topic post. You cannot separate the equipment from the act of photography and nobody suggest otherwise. Politics and religion, however, is something totally different... Again, I'm not targeting anyone in particular for any particular act; I just disagree with the statement that everyone can post what's on their mind. Also your response on Mike original post in this thread (cited below) which in my opinion is something everyone should be able to agree upon. Mike: Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Censorship-not,
Sorry, Mafud but this must be a misunderstanding. I did not complain about any certain incident or flame war. I responded to an opinion that people should post whatever they like, something I disagree with. I generally try to stay out of flame wars but like most others I have participated in some. In fact, I've followed your suggestion on the flame wars you mention; ignoring the thread(s). Pål Pål, I don't recall you or anyone coming to my defense when PDML members attacked ~me~ in ~on-topic~ posts. Day after weary day the attacks went on and... silence from the PDML or, when someone got p*ssed, the complainant complained about ~me~ defending myself. Already since I've been back, a number of PDML members have tried mightily to start a flame war with me. NOT ONE PDML member, including yourself, said one #%## W@ $%$##$ word to the provocateurs. But now you guys want to complain about what has been not even a flame war but an OT thread gone a little awry? Surely we must have order, but the complaints on this thread are disingenuous if not supercilious when you and others practice double standards. **When ~topical~ threads drone on and on, the postings wandering far afield, never even tangentially related to the thread heading, why isn't there a whoa called for them? OTs die of their own inertia and as has been suggested, ignore the thread. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax digital SLR
Although, I have some sympathy with those who want faster Pentax equipment introductions, I fail to see the sense in wanting an utterly out of date digital slr. Firstly, its generally assumed industrywise that the small size chips are a dead end. Full frame chip is the way of the future. Secondly, the D30 (is it really successful?) will be laughed out of the market within a year or simply given away. It's like buying a 286 computer at an absurd price. Thirdly, Pentax have clearly stated that they want to make a COMPETITIVE digital slr in the near future. In fact, the 6Mpix MZ-D was dropped because Pentax saw no point in having the most expensive digital slr on the market while other manufacturers could offer the same performance for much less. Frankly, we are now in the very early days of digital cameras. I would personally stay away from the first generation digital slr's unless you need it in your work. The market is extremely small and the only reason Nikon and Canon can get away with genuinely bad and overpriced cameras is their position in the pro market segment. The next generation of digital SLR's will be the first serious ones technically speaking. If you want a D30, by all means go ahead. Personally I would be grossly disappointed if Pentax release anything remotely like the D30. Pål Cotty: This seems to be in keeping with the look of how things are panning out. It must be obvious to the whole industry that the success of the Canon D30 has highlighted the need for medium-priced pro/am digi SLR. With the previous 6MP Pentax vapoware, the price would have been well within the Nikon D and upcoming Canon EOS1 D territory - but few would have been sold, seeing as how Nikon and Canon have cornered the pro market. Very few Nikon/Canon users would have swapped for a Pentax - even if it was full-frame. The next cameras from Nikon and Canon will have full frame sensors. Which leaves us, a few making there living shooting Pentax, most doing it for love, not wanting to lose all the glass, wanting good quality. If there is anyone at Pentax reading this, or anyone knows anyone at Pentax, please copy and paste the following and email it to them: -- Dear Pentax, I am an amateur Pentax user of many years, on the cusp of introducing digital image acquisition to my repertoire. I am painfully close to buying a Canon D30, and I do mean painfully. I am prepared to wait - but not for much longer. The point is, if I don't get the chance to buy a Pentax DSLR soon (before Christmas 2002 TOPS), I will, without doubt, be getting a D30, and swapping glass as appropriate. The even bigger point: very unlikely I will swap back, because then I will be caught up in the Canon Way, updating bits of kit as and when appropriate. Sure I'll keep some vintage Pentax kit, but as a company, that's of little interest to you - what you want is for me to buy a Pentax D, not a Canon D. What you want is for me to stay Pentax, so I'll then upgrade as new cameras become available, new lenses, and so on. So please, I know you're working on it, I know you're building it - give me (and all the rest of us in this situation) a quick word of confirmation. Tap out a quick press release, give it to the magazines as a filler even. But give me a confirmation that we'll see hardware on the shelves sometime SOON! Thank you. - I sometimes think that we, as Pentax users, could do a better job! Anyone want to bung some money in the hat and we'll buy out Pentax - the PDML co-operative? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: A series zoom lenses
Mike wrote: I'm new to the group although I have been following your discussions on mail-archive.com for the last six months. I have the following A series zoom lenses. 24-50mm f/4, 35-105mm f/3.5 and 70-210mm f/4. I would like to know what the consensus is of these lenses pro or con. I see by your favorite lense survey that the 35-105mm is a popular one it is mine also. Any information will be highly appreciated. I have not used any of these lenses. The 70-210 and the 35-105 have both good reputation. In fact, the 35-105 was ranked the best zoom lens they had ever seen in a Norwegian photo magazine upon its release. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: WAY OT: Help with Christmas Shopping
On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 01:09 PM, Tiger Moses wrote: Which US based people here would be willing to go to their local Harley Davidson dealer, buy me two Harley shirts with that Dealer/City/State on them, and send them with a bill (including reasonable shipping) to me. What, Toronto Harleys not good enough for ya? ;) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Virius alert
Bob Rapp wrote: He said the virus usually arrived with the e-mail subject Hi and always had the attachment gone.scr about a new screen saver - which should be deleted immediately. Thats why I run Linux, I dont know what a virus is :) Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:05:22 -0500, you wrote: The bottom line is that the pictures cost me about $8 total and no additional time, while obtaining superior results. I agree that an experienced shooter with a film camera can run rings around inexperienced grandma with a digital. And I agree that Double Prints at the local cheap minilab are a bargain. And I agree that one strength of film cameras the perceptual and real convenience of film-based double prints the same day or the next day. But a modestly experienced digital shooter can get a couple of rolls of good shots at a two-hour event, then while the party is breaking up, make a small handful of CD's to pass out at the door, and during the event email photos or MPGs in near-real time to overseas participants, and within a few minutes of the guests leaving have a nice little website set up with a built-in slideshow that everyone can ooh-and-ahh over at work the next day - and do all this whilst participating in the event itself in no less limited manner than an ordinary bustling host or hostess. That digital convenience is why I really want a Pentax K-mount digital, even if it is only 3.3, 4 or 5 megapixels. As long as it has a K-mount, a hotshoe, and methodology to get decent fill-flash, I'd be content. Large quantities of small prints - cheap and fast - are the bread-and-butter of film and PS cameras. But I believe I could drop off a CD at a local lab and get pretty quick service for nice prints from digital. The question for digital prints from the local Wal-Mart type store is that a set equivalent to a roll of film cost more than the $4.99 we Americans like to pay for traditional PS film-based Double Prints. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography?
I don't think it's about stopping distance Bill, the advantage is that you are able to still control the car since they don't lock up... Norm William Robb wrote: In every situation, ABS takes longer to stop than a vehicle of similar weight/ tire size without ABS. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
Small format digital printing is expensive and for the most part, SUX. SUX=Airport code for Sioux City, Iowa. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sigma 100-300 F/4
I assume you are referring to the Sigma EX series with the constant f4 aperture. This is an excellent lens, I have one and am very pleased with it; it has also received very good reviews in several photo mag's, including Pop Photo. It is a substantial piece of glass if you are used to consumer grade lenses in this focal length with variable apertures. However, if you can handle the price and the weight, this is a high quality lens both optically and mechanically, and one of the very few with this focal length in a pro grade lens. Cheers, Mike. Christien Bunting wrote: Hi all. This is my first post here. I'm very much interested in getting the Sigma 100-300 f/4 or a lens of this type. As for now I have a Pentax MZM. The MZM does wonders for a little guy. Has anyone had experience with Sigma Lens on the MZ-M. Especially the new AF lens of constant aperture. Hopefully later on I'll move up to the upcomming MZ-6 or even the MZ-S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: flash stuff
And with those flash bulbs, because of the long output duration, one has a method for outdoor fill flash without the thousand or so dollars needed for expensive strobes high-speed X sync bodies. And, in thrift shops, I get packages of a dozen bulbs for 90 cents frequently. (Haven't done anythign with them yet, but I've got 'em!) Just get out the old MX or KX shoot those portraits at 1/500 with ease! (Sometimes the Luddites get the job done better!) Collin PS. They're also fun for science experiments. Give your 10-year-old a bulb, AA battery, and 2 wires. It was loads of fun. Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:30:02 +0100 From: Frantisek Vlcek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: flash stuff But Mafud _always_ carries his old Graflex Strobe and a box of type F blue flashbulbs... now he can flash without power (providing he has a crank-type generator for ignitting the flashbulb) ;-) Good light, Frantisek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT, and ridiculous.......was: Re: flash stuff
Sorry, my mistake. It was my November 2000 PUG entry, Eagles, that showed some of the architecture in the Village. When I get my film scanner, hopefully soohn, I'll try to put up a page with more typical Village scenes than that one. The mud flats are what impressed me. They are every bit as extensive and forbidding as the series suggests. Dan aimcompute wrote: Dan, that picture was in Switzerland. I want to see the Village :-). -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Dec PUG - William Robb, Cotty, Stan Halpin
These were the three piccies that most caught my eye this time round: William Robb - Berries Hard to believe these colours occur naturally, and the background perfectly complements the subject. The rock in the top left corner is a tad distracting. Cotty - Stefan Asleep, 2001 Simply brilliant. Must get an LX. Anyone fancy swapping one for an MV1? I'll pay shipping. Just a beautiful photograph. Stan Halpin - Yellow Flower - Yellow Bug I don't usually go for flower shots, but I love the lighting on this one. I suppose you could call this concise, but work has hotted up lately so PDML reading and writing time is impaired! Regards Jim - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: December PUG
I was not intentionally baiting. As I said in my comments, I had another location planned, where I hoped to get an interesting tree silouetted against the fading light. I had only ten minutes to the magic moment, however, and I wanted to do my shot EXACTLY on time, for some reason. The flag was the only thing in my yard that had enough light and color to make a reasonable shot. (With another camera, I tried to get the moon over a line of trees, and with a third, a contrail overhead, but neither came out.) When I scanned the flag, however, I thought to myself Boy, I'm got to get ssome heat on this subject. That's all I meant. frank theriault wrote: BTW, are you saying you were baiting people with your image this month? From that comment, it sure sounds that way. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT ot OT Re: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography?
I agree. One of the problems is that the prognosticators have kept saying for almost 100 years that we would run out of energy reserves within 20 years several times. However, every time, new discoveries and new technologies keep pushing back the date at which we will run out of nonrenewable resources. Same with food. If we went back to a totally organically grown food source, even with farm and land management we'd have to fist kill 2/3rds of the world's people just to feed the remainder. But technology has enabled us to at least make it in ever increasing quantities per acre so we have enough to feed everyone, even if for a significant percentage of the earth's population it never gets to them. I'd worry more about the destruction of the planet's major source of oxygen, the rain forests of the world, before I'd worry about other factors. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of aimcompute Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT ot OT Re: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography? I agree that NASA does research, but what portion of their government-controlled budget is devoted to solar? Now a days it seems like most spacecraft are made with off-the-shelf parts to keep costs down instead of there being a lot of RD. The quick return is the attitude I was alluding to. It's a short versus long term view. Let's make money quick, even if it wrecks the planet. Lawmakers will decide not to invest in alternative energy as long as they are stockholders and board members of oil companies and auto manufacturers. As far as efficiency, I suspect it could be vastly improved by technologies and methods not yet envisioned and definitely not budgeted for. Sierra, well they're Sierra. A respectable organization, no doubt, but maybe fanatical in some cases. Tom C. - Original Message - From: Kent Gittings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:27 AM Subject: RE: OT ot OT Re: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography? Actually the reason is business. Without a guaranteed quick return only the solar energy companies like Solarex can make a profit off the stuff. And don't think that pouring more R D dollars will get the efficiency much over the low percentage conversions now available. NASA pays for extensive research and engineering projects in that area as space is still the number one priority for it. Not to mention the Sierra Club would most likely sue to keep all the solar panels from covering all the acreage you would need to make it work. Fusion would be a better solution so instead of trying to harness a small percentage of the sun's fusion it would be better just to do it here. Would save the large areas we'd have to chop down to cover with solar panels. My vote is to get all the commuters off the road into some kind of mass transit so those of us who enjoy high performance driving can have the roads all to ourselves. Kent Gittings - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Neutral countries (was: Re: December PUG)
Gianfranco: I was not intending to say that I think Italia is a neutral country, but that some now would like to remain neutral in the War against terrorism, and let it be an American problem. Certainly, Italia was NOT netral in WWII. It was a leader of the Fascist bloc, and took aggreesive action against an African nation that could not defend itself. Many Americans died liberating Italia. How may Italians would try to assist Americans, or Bosnians, or Israelis, today? You were indeed one of the two I expected to hear from when I scanned my flag for the PUG, because of your comments about the US after 9-11. Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: I'd prefer avoiding to say that, but you should study the recent Italian history better... As Frank kindly pointed out, most Italians remember well the WWII time. My mother was born in 1927 and has suffered from bombing in Naples from any belligerent, including Americans and Germans. In spite of that, she still has good memories of both... In most recent times, from the seventies till the nineties, we had hundreds of people killed by terrorists in many ways (I won't argue what kind of terrorists they were and what they sought - too complicated). That's due probably (more than just 'probably') to the fact that Italy is not a neutral country at all. I'm sad for all the Italians who suffered because of WWII, but remember that Italia helped start that war. My Uncle died in Europe to help Europeans end a war the US did not start or ask for. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
Single malt Scotch. Once you try it a few time, everything else tastes like Ripple. Chris Brogden wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote: SHUT UP CHRIS! :-) :-) :-) But let me tell you one more thing... :) You drink RUM and Coke??? Step up to VO. You won't regret it! You mean vodka? I like that, too. I hate most alcohol, but I like vodka, run and gin if they're properly mixed. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax 67II review
I agree. As a 6x7 user who lusts after the 67II, I found the review quite informative and enjoyable. aimcompute wrote: Thanks Dan. That was quite informative and well written. Tom C. - Original Message - From: Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: Pentax 67II review http://www.luminous-landscape.com/pentax67ii.htm I saw the above review a few days ago and keep forgetting to post the URL to the list. Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 09:45 PM, William Robb wrote: The big difference is, he isn't buying film anymore. Know what's going to be the first casualty in the digital vs. film sales war? APS. 1) APS is a lousy format, comparatively. The neg is small, and for the most part the cameras are poor performers, accentuating the shortcomings of a smaller neg. Of course, cameras like the Nikon Pronea APS SLR took good pictures, but...uh, can you still get Proneas? 2) People who were drawn to APS will be drawn to digital. Look at the similarities: smaller camera, gadgety-ness, higher price tag than 35mm. The APS cartridge system is designed to seem high-tech, to appeal to cutting edge tech fans. 3) APS requires a separate set of masks and lenses to be printed at your local minilab, as well as a spooler/unspooler device to get the bloody film out of the cassettes and then back in again. Digital requires the appropriate card reader and some software for a modern minilab to make prints. APS is incompatible with older minilab machines (it's hard to get masks and lenses to fit machines from more than five years before APS was introduced), but more expensive to add on to a current machine than digital, unless the machine was factory-outfitted for APS. 4) APS has been a notorious sales flop. Kodak have done everything under the sun to try to up the numbers of APS film sales and processing. The local Shopper's Drug Mart only stocks Kodak single-use cameras that have APS film inside. What's the advantage to the consumer of an APS single-use camera? Nothing, unless you value bad pictures. What's the advantage to Kodak? Well, all those films have to be processed, boosting the figures for APS film sales and processing. Digital, on the other hand, appears to be thriving. Who wants to join my APS deadpool? Let's pick the date that Kodak announces it is no longer supporting the format. I pick 2005. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography?
My guess is that he probably meant 110 kilometres per hour. That would be about 65-70 mph. Being that the US is about the only country not using metric that I know of... Nope! I meant miles an hour (in fact was driven in a Windstar last week indicating 115mph, 108 on the GPS) We have MPH in the UK also you know - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 04:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can spend my time messing wth software and printers, or I can let someone else do that part while I'm out pressing the shutter release. Valid points, but you *can* do this with good labs. Yes, but the expense is outrageously unreasonable for just a few prints. Since you chopped that part of the message out of your reply, maybe you missed Chris pointing out that the cost of prints from digital and prints from negative at their lab is the same. It's also the same at mine. At the outlab we send to, it is cheaper to print from digital than from slides. What lab are you referring to, Mafud? Can you give us their pricing? What range is outrageously unreasonable? -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I would like to introduce myself. I just recently found the PUG and its message list/group. It looks interesting and so far the posts have been educational (outside of the whole street imaging OT threads). I am getting back into photography (deeper than taking family/holiday pictures) and questions abound. I have the following camera/equipment: Pentax PZ-20 Pentax 28-80 f/3.5-4.7 SMC-FA (lens was dropped, still works, but held together with duct tape) Pentax 28-80 f/3.5-5.6 SMC-FA (just purchased used from BH) Pentax 70-200 f/4-5.6 SMC-FA Pentax 100-300 f/4.5-5.6 SMC-FA UV and Polarizer filters Vivitar 285HV Thyristor w/ vari-power Monopod I am testing different types of film - so far I've tried T400CN, T-Max 400 (I used to shoot and develop this back in college), Portra 400 BW and am now onto slide films (Kodak E100VS to start, with more on the way). I'm looking at posting to the PUG as well as starting to get involved with my local camera group competitions. My subject matter is landscapes/outside, people and street photography and maybe sports (local, town teams, etc). Question 1 Looking at my equipment, what would you suggest to be the next purchase? A prime lens? A newer or better body? Which accessories? (A tripod is scheduled to be purchased.) Question 2 I don't have a slide viewer, but want to continue with slide film. Should I watch BH/KEH for used viewers/projectors or should I lean towards a light box? Question 3 Digital scanning...Should I look into purchasing a film scanner. If so should I really go for one with ICE/FARE technology, or can I get good results with a less expensive model without the dust removal, etc? Money is a slight deterrent right now. Question 4 Printing from slides. If I get a scanner, which printer should I get (I'm waiting for the results of the December print-off). Or can I get my local lab to print prints from my slides? These would be to show off around and keep a mini-portfolio for myself. TIA for any help... Ed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MX Case
Is there an ever-ready case for MX + Winder? TiA, Collin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: December PUG
Albano, As I said in a previous post, I did not mean to suggest that you are anti-American. I knew, from your email address and your previous posts, that you are from Argentina. I was referring to others on the list who made comments about posts just after 9-11. I know that Argentina has suffered, as have we North Americans, from British aggression and internal strife. If, however, you were offended by the American flags in several posts, that's too bad. You should be a bit more tolerant of others' feelings, as obviously I should be. I don't really see why seeing the American flag in four or five entries should bother you. I try not to complain about all the damn cats in these pictures at times, becuase I'm a dog lover instead of a cat lover! Each to his own. I'm just a grumpy old man who can't stop saying what he thinks at times. Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Daniel. First, I'm not anti-american, because I'm american too (I live in south america). Second, if you read my message, you will read I say something like but I think it's ok due to the date it happened. It is, I understand you Americans with capital A. Third, my country (Argentina, in the butt of the world) in the nineties suffered two huge terrorist attacks. The first destroyed the Israel's embassy and the second, the jewish mutual asociation building. Both with bomb-cars, both in downtown and both with some hundred deaths. I suppose you never saw this in CNN, because my country doesn't exist for you, but my country knows what a terrorist attack is, REALLY. Regards and good light. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography?
In a message dated 12/5/01 6:32:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Mafud, I was being facetious. The poster I was responding to said that the size of a tire's footprint doesn't affect braking. Paul Mea culpa-mea culpa-my bad! Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Inkjet problem
On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 12:25 AM, William Robb wrote: Its weird. A buddy suggested an iar bubble in the ink line might cause it. I would imagine not, just because of how the printer works...it would have to be a disappearing and reappearing bubble that timed itself just right to create the shape that it has. We had an intermittent problem with thin, solid white lines and black lines appearing on the print every once and a while when we first got our big printer. It turned out that Epson print monitor wanted more RAM than was available, and between it and Photoshop eating up all the RAM (512 megs at the time), there was a problem spooling big files to the printer. The solution was to reduce Photoshop's RAM allocation (a Mac thing, I believe Windows does its memory allocation all by itself), which I had set rather high. Adding another 256 megs of RAM helped, too. :) Because of the shape and even-ness of the problem area, I'm more inclined to think it's a software thing than a mechanical problem. But it's under warranty, so call Epson and see what they say. Chances are, if it's software they've seen it before and can tell you what's up. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Variable aperture zoom question
At 10:14 AM 12/5/01 +0100, Boz wrote: Hi, That's not an easy task. The aperture markings usually correspond to the widest aperture. So, if you set the focal length to 50 and the aperture ring to where 8 is marked, you will have f/8 @ 28 and something like f/13.5 @ 80 mm. The trouble with the variable apertures comes in play when you use manual flash, studio flash, etc. Cheers, Boz Okay, so using a variable aperture zoom is fairly hit or miss when metering manually. So a fixed aperture zoom is what is required if one wants to be certain about matching exposure to your metering, correct? Will I be able to set f8 on a fixed aperture zoom and know it is going to be f8 if I zoom in or out? (My choices among Pentax autofocus are rather limited - the wicked expensive 28-70/f2.8 or the very inexpensive 28-70/f4) --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
In a message dated 12/5/01 7:22:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Small format digital printing is expensive and for the most part, SUX. SUX=Airport code for Sioux City, Iowa. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Like I said: SUX :)) Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sigma 100-300 F/4
Are you by chance using it with and MZM ? Or manual pentax ? Trying to make sure that there will be no problems because of the lack of AF on the MZM. Christien. ps got pics btw ? - Original Message - From: Michael Perham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Sigma 100-300 F/4 I assume you are referring to the Sigma EX series with the constant f4 aperture. This is an excellent lens, I have one and am very pleased with it; it has also received very good reviews in several photo mag's, including Pop Photo. It is a substantial piece of glass if you are used to consumer grade lenses in this focal length with variable apertures. However, if you can handle the price and the weight, this is a high quality lens both optically and mechanically, and one of the very few with this focal length in a pro grade lens. Cheers, Mike. Christien Bunting wrote: Hi all. This is my first post here. I'm very much interested in getting the Sigma 100-300 f/4 or a lens of this type. As for now I have a Pentax MZM. The MZM does wonders for a little guy. Has anyone had experience with Sigma Lens on the MZ-M. Especially the new AF lens of constant aperture. Hopefully later on I'll move up to the upcomming MZ-6 or even the MZ-S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Great Leonid shot
Check out today's Astronomy page for a great shot of the Leonids: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Price of a used Nikon LS-1000 coolscan
Hi all, Does anyone know or can Guesstimate the price of a used Nikon LS-1000 coolscan? I may have the opportunity to purchase it used... Thanks Michele Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The New French Anti-Photography Law
In a message dated 12/5/01 8:08:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it adds up, doesn't it? Frantisek Yah. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The New French Anti-Photography Law
In a message dated 12/5/01 8:08:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not sure as I am not in USA, but hasn't it gone away already a bit (freedom of the press) in war events? Yah, even the American press, itself filled to the brim with this newfound patriotism, has kowtowed to Bush on this war. The pabulum we're being spoon-fed from the Bush people in no way tells the story. We haven't heard an estimate of Taliban casualties, which may be approaching 12,000 DEAD. Have Americans or the world heard that? Do we know anything about what is happening inside Afghanistan except what the administration wants us to hear? No way! **Adminstrationn misdirection of hard news started in the Vietnam War, was refined in the Gulf War and has come to full fruition in this war. Death rides our bombs but we get more propaganda about the Taliban. We are being forced to listen to our side about Khadahar, where stupid Arab Taliban are making it easy for the stories to focus on them as opposed to what is actually happening. Our bombs are forcing the populations into minefields to escape them. Won't hear about that in our now cowardly American press. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography?
I hope you weren't doing that sort of speed on public roads in the UK Tim. Regards, /\/\ick... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim S Kemp Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography? My guess is that he probably meant 110 kilometres per hour. That would be about 65-70 mph. Being that the US is about the only country not using metric that I know of... Nope! I meant miles an hour (in fact was driven in a Windstar last week indicating 115mph, 108 on the GPS) We have MPH in the UK also you know - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sigma 100-300 F/4
Christien Bunting wrote: Are you by chance using it with and MZM ? Or manual pentax ? Trying to make sure that there will be no problems because of the lack of AF on the MZM. I have used it on both my MZ-S and Super Program and all functions work as they should. The lens has a very wide focusing collar that facilitates use as a manual focus lens. This collar slides (click positions) slightly forward or back to engage and disengage the manual focus and when disengaged it allows the lens to auto focus without rotating the collar. I like this feature but some on the list disagree ...the feel in manual focus is like a manual focus lens. I have four of the EX series Sigma lenses and rate them all very highly. I might also mention that I had started acquiring these lenses before I got my MZ-S and entered the world of auto focus. With the exception of family snapshots, I still shoot all my photo's with gear mounted on a tripod and focused manually. Cheers, Mike. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Illegal Street Photography? - last from Cotty
In a message dated 12/5/01 8:08:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One last thing, though - cars are cheap only because you (or fuel companies) don't pay the real costs - that in direct contrary to theory of market economics. With cars are associated many externalities like roads, wars over oil, degradation of human rights and nature and death of people from pollution, et cetera et cetera. These externalities are paid for by the nature and people not using cars (like genocidal practices against Ogoni tribe in Nigeria,...). If free market economics, than with externalities included in the price of product. Otherwise, it is all one big hypocrisy. Yup. I filled up last night at SAM'S CLUB for 90.9 cents per gallon (member price). Cheap fuel helps drive the SUV market too. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Variable aperture zoom question
In a message dated 12/5/01 8:53:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj:Re: Variable aperture zoom question (Hi, Fred wrote: Mike: Suppose I have a variable aperture zoom lens, say 28-80mm f3.5-f5.6 If I set the zoom at 28mm, and set the aperture wide open, it should be f3.5. If I then zoom to 80mm, the effective aperture goes down to f5.6, right? And if I zoom to 50mm, the aperture will be somewhere in between, say f4 maybe. Right. Right. Now suppose I set my zoom to 50mm @ f8. That's not an easy task. The aperture markings usually correspond to the widest aperture. So, if you set the focal length to 50 and the perture ring to where 8 is marked, you will have f/8 @ 28 and something like f/13.5 @ 80 mm. If I zoom out to 28mm, will the effective aperture stay at f8? If I zoom in to 80mm, will the effective aperture stay at f8? Nope, in both cases (although my understanding is that the relative differences in aperture at different focal lengths diminish as one moves away from wide open). If you did manage to set exactly f/8 @ 50 mm, the answer is no to both questions. In any event, if you're using TTL metering (which most of us use most of the time), then the exposure recommendation should automatically compensate for the variable aperture problem. This is, fo course, correct and the most important thing. The trouble with the variable apertures comes in play when you use manual flash, studio flash, etc.) Cheers, Boz _ Pardon me if I misunderstand the gist of you response: the operative question asked by Mike was : if I set... Are you (anyone) now suggesting that setting the aperture manually, somehow changes the aperture as you zoom? How? ***Taking the aperture ring off A makes it a ~manual~ lens, or are you (anyone) saying that somehow, the camera/lens changes what is a (preset) aperture anyway? How? Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE:
I would like to introduce myself. I just recently found the PUG and its message list/group. It looks interesting and so far the posts have been educational (outside of the whole street imaging OT threads). Welcome! questions abound. This will become the norm from now! Question 1 Looking at my equipment, what would you suggest to be the next purchase? A prime lens? A newer or better body? Which accessories? (A tripod is scheduled to be purchased.) I would suggest you dont buy anything unless you want it. Dont buy something just because someone recommended it. If there is something you current kit cannot do or does not do well enough FOR YOU then upgrade that area. What you need depends entirely on what you do and what you want from it. Question 2 I don't have a slide viewer, but want to continue with slide film. Should I watch BH/KEH for used viewers/projectors or should I lean towards a light box? I am too lazy to use a light box, and have a braun projector with a daylight screen which is simple, easy to use, compact, and cheap. Ultimate quality is not an issue for me as scanning is the real goal, and the projector is used to preview and select for scanning mainly. Question 3 Digital scanning...Should I look into purchasing a film scanner. If so should I really go for one with ICE/FARE technology, or can I get good results with a less expensive model without the dust removal, etc? Money is a slight deterrent right now. Forget FARE - its c**p! Buy ICE3 and have no doubts. ICE uses IR scanning to detect dust/scratches etc using hardware. FARE is a software option which doe not work well and degrades the image - you may as well not bother. Ideally buy the Nikon Coolscan IV or Coolscan 4000. Question 4 Printing from slides. If I get a scanner, which printer should I get (I'm waiting for the results of the December print-off). Or can I get my local lab to print prints from my slides? These would be to show off around and keep a mini-portfolio for myself. Canon S800 for A4 or any EPSON for A4 or A3. Buy the best you can afford. TIA for any help... Hopefully it was helpful... Again, welcome. Rob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography?
I agree with most of your comments. And it is the tire that actually stops the vehicle. The brake system is just to remove the excess heat from this action. However a vehicle with wider tires, assuming the same brand/model and coefficient of friction, will stop in a shorter distance than the same vehicle with narrower tires. As long as the brake system can handle the extra heat generated. Slippery surfaces change that. And while things like 4WD and AWD won't allow you to stop any better under slippery conditions the increase in control will allow a GOOD driver to get out of situations a normal driver would not. For instance I was driving with my wife one cold non snowy day in a 92 Ford Explorer (shift on the fly 4x4 not AWD) and I crested a rise to a downhill section of a crowned 2 lane back country road I'd been on many times. Park land on both sides with mature trees right up to the near edges of the road with no guard rails or fencing. Doing about 50-60 MPH I saw something ahead that looked bad. In this case some cars had crashed due to a thin coating of ice that completely covered the road for a short distance. At this speed there was no way to stop in time. At least they weren't blocking the road. So rather than trying to stop, first my wife reached up and slapped the 4x4 switch on the dash, while I accelerated slightly and steered to go over the left side of the road because I could see the ice covered a shorter distance on that side. Once past the ice we stopped and rendered assistance. While another car came down the hill, tried to stop, and went into the trees. Why did I speed up instead of trying to slow down? Because in the case of a 4x4 system with a fully locked front hub arraignment the only advantage you have and the only scenario that gives you maximum control is when all the wheels are accelerating. Here is the first question on a test to see if you are automatically in the 95% of bad drivers (we call them pointers not drivers). When you are stopped or at a low speed making a turn do you find yourself using the opposite hand from the turn, putting it inside the steering wheel spokes and grabbing the wheel and pulling the wheel down to start the turn before using your other hand to continue turning the wheel? Bonus points if you can tell me both reasons why you should never do this. At a driving school like Bondurant you only get to do this once then you get your money back and are told to leave the premises. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jackie Lee Mowery Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 9:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography? whoa. Mafud is right about this one. First off, brakes do not stop anything other than the wheels turning. Tires stop vehicles through the action of friction against the road surface. Second, the size of the footprint is meaningless. All it means is that the weight of the vehicle is spread over that many more square inches (cm or whatever). Friction is determined by the weight (downward force of the mass) and the co-efficient of friction of the two surfaces. This is of course the maximum frictional force exerted by non-sliding surfaces (that tricky edge between braking and skidding. Once you start to slide the force of friction actually decreases. (hence the old adage about pumping the brakes) While the vehicle weight affects the braking power (friction) it also affects the momentum of the vehicle (for the same speeds heavier vehicles have more momentum), so it tends to cancel out leaving stopping distance pretty much directly proportional to speed. And like he says, feeling safer, SUV drivers tend to speed in iffy conditions. 4-wheel drive will get you into more trouble than it will get you out of. Hey, I have to feel I am at least occasionally using that physics minor I picked up in college. In search of the perfect image. It can hide, but it can't run. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT - Yashica equipment
Hello all, I have a question for the group. Does anybody work with yashica equipment among the group? I have two k1000's and also an old yashica fr-1 plus a canon a-1. I was looking to adding to my meager collection of 50mm primes and my foremost choice would be to add to the pentax line but after checking out prices on the internet I am not too sure I can do so at the moment. So I went with plan #2 which is to add to the yashica line. If anybody has worked at some time or another with yashica kindly give out comments or any advice. I know that Zeiss lenses would fit a yashica mount but that is way beyond my financial reach right now. I am just talking about yashica prime lenses and perhaps some after market lenses as well. Also this does not mean that I am not going to add to the pentax glass that I already have. I just have to be a smart shopper and pick out the good quality and low priced ones. Can anybody recommend a store in the L.A. / Orange County area or perhaps an internet vendor or even an out-of-state vendor that you really trust. Thank you and hope to hear from the group. I really have learned quite a bit about pentax equipment since joining a few weeks ago. Francis M. Alviar Irvine, CA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: December PUG OT
In a message dated 12/5/01 9:14:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . To many Europeans today, the current war with international terrorism is an American and Israeli problem, in which they see no reason for concern. That is what I was addressing. What if they had another war in Europe: do Europeans believe we (US) should interfere? Or let them twist and swing, slowly in the wind, hoisted by their own petard? Yup. Even if I did have the energy to fight, no way would I get on another boat or plane to go anywhere to fight anyone for anyone again. Land in south Florida, I'll join in. But to save someone else, especially in Europe? PLEASE! Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Neutral countries (was: Re: December PUG)
Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gianfranco: I was not intending to say that I think Italia is a neutral country, but that some now would like to remain neutral in the War against terrorism, and let it be an American problem. Hi Dan, I hope I can express with accuracy what I could explain with a certain difficulty even in Italian... As you probably already know, governments and the normal citizens are two different entities, even when the citizens elect their governments. About the American problem, there has been a real race to jump in the first rank of countries helping the US in the war. I'm not very acknowledged about your Constitution, but ours states clearly that Italy refuses war... our actual government is doing its best efforts to go against what is written in the Italian Constitution, written after the WWII by all the political groups that was outlawed by the Fascism. Certainly, Italia was NOT netral in WWII. It was a leader of the Fascist bloc, and took aggreesive action against an African nation that could not defend itself. Many Americans died liberating Italia. How may Italians would try to assist Americans, or Bosnians, or Israelis, today? You were indeed one of the two I expected to hear from when I scanned my flag for the PUG, because of your comments about the US after 9-11. I don't know how many, I didn't ask everybody... VBG You say something I'm not really sure I understand: you were trying to provoke a reaction with your submission? I'm not offended by the American flag, BTW... :-) (*note* the smiley!) Seriously, what you wrote about Italy as an aggressive and imperialistic, oppressive and anti-democratic country (between the twenties and the mid-fourties) is true. After the war, and thanks to the effort of the US soldiers too, Italy returned a democratic country, one of the most pro-american countries in Europe. The Fascist Party was banned in the Constitution of the 1946. Too bad the heirs of the Fascist Party now rule the country ( :-( ) and their leader is the vice prime minister. I hope you don't feel too proud to have such an ally... I'm sad for all the Italians who suffered because of WWII, but remember that Italia helped start that war. My Uncle died in Europe to help Europeans end a war the US did not start or ask for. -- This is very unpleasant for me and for all democratic Italians. The WWII was a result of a bunch of powerthirsty people that used the militar rethoric to gain consensus in a bad economic situation for both Germany and Italy. I won't get into a psycho-social analisys of the situation of that time, but I can suggest you to read Eric Fromm's Anatomy of Human Destructiveness in which the author draws an interesting portrait of Adolf Hitler. Italia as a whole did not help to start any war. Governments start wars. People with military, organizational and most of all financial ability start the wars. People who sympathize for the above help to start the wars. People who refuses to act against the above help to start the wars. The war, you should know better than me, is a matter of money and power. It is NOT a matter of moral or ethics or even religion. Everyone that states that is a liar. Trace the money, and you'll see who is interested in wars and who is not. Ciao, Gianfranco Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: He's bored, I'm bored, we're all bored 'cuz he's bored
Yeah. Mostly I just have a mouth that won't stay shut. G - Original Message - From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: He's bored, I'm bored, we're all bored 'cuz he's bored Good Tom C. wrote: I agree that NASA does research, but what portion of their government-controlled budget is devoted to solar? [snip, snip. Snip snip snip] [snip] [Snip] [SNIP] Sierra, well they're Sierra. A respectable organization, no doubt, but maybe fanatical in some cases. Admit it, Tom. You're just plain bored, aren't you? *chuckle* --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Free Kodak Elitechrome Extra- Color
Just a note to all that this month's Pop Photo (I assume other Photo mags as well) has a coupon for a free roll of Elitechrome Extra-Color. Just take it to your dealer turn in the coupon and get your free Christmas present from Kodak. DG - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
VO. Seagrams VO. Canadian blended whiskey. I thought you were Canadian!? Tom C. You mean vodka? I like that, too. I hate most alcohol, but I like vodka, run and gin if they're properly mixed. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #1679
I was trying to minimize postage/handling! But if you are offering, throw me a cost for 1 medium, 1 large with Shipping At 08:47 AM 12/5/2001 -0500, you wrote: On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 01:09 PM, Tiger Moses wrote: Which US based people here would be willing to go to their local Harley Davidson dealer, buy me two Harley shirts with that Dealer/City/State on them, and send them with a bill (including reasonable shipping) to me. What, Toronto Harleys not good enough for ya? ;) - -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT ot OT Re: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography?
I'd just like to see the commuters of the road so those of us with hi-performance and classic cars can get gas for the next 100 years at least.:^) Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT ot OT Re: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography? In a message dated 12/5/01 9:30:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree. One of the problems is that the prognosticators have kept saying for almost 100 years that we would run out of energy reserves within 20 years several times. However, every time, new discoveries and new technologies keep pushing back the date at which we will run out of nonrenewable resources. Yeah, but now the discoveries are 13,000 under an open sea organically grown food source, even with farm and land management we'd have to fist kill 2/3rds of the world's people just to feed the remainder. You say that as if it's a bad thing. (JUST KIDDING!) But what do you propose to do, apply western technology to deserts, or other lands too poor to farm scuessfully? The problem isn't food, it's water.. And then the ~other~ problem rears its ugly head: spotty prodcution and lack of transportation. That is compounded by the need to provide medical care and later, eduations. But technology has enabled us to at least make it in ever increasing quantities per acre so we have enough to feed everyone, even if for a significant percentage of the earth's population it never gets to them. I'd worry more about the destruction of the planet's major source of oxygen, the rain forests of the world, before I'd worry about other factors. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of aimcompute Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT ot OT Re: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography? I agree that NASA does research, but what portion of their government-controlled budget is devoted to solar? Now a days it seems like most spacecraft are made with off-the-shelf parts to keep costs down instead of there being a lot of RD. The quick return is the attitude I was alluding to. It's a short versus long term view. Let's make money quick, even if it wrecks the planet. Lawmakers will decide not to invest in alternative energy as long as they are stockholders and board members of oil companies and auto manufacturers. As far as efficiency, I suspect it could be vastly improved by technologies and methods not yet envisioned and definitely not budgeted for. Sierra, well they're Sierra. A respectable organization, no doubt, but maybe fanatical in some cases. Tom C. - Original Message - From: Kent Gittings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:27 AM Subject: RE: OT ot OT Re: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography? Actually the reason is business. Without a guaranteed quick return only the solar energy companies like Solarex can make a profit off the stuff. And don't think that pouring more R D dollars will get the efficiency much over the low percentage conversions now available. NASA pays for extensive research and engineering projects in that area as space is still the number one priority for it. Not to mention the Sierra Club would most likely sue to keep all the solar panels from covering all the acreage you would need to make it work. Fusion would be a better solution so instead of trying to harness a small percentage of the sun's fusion it would be better just to do it here. Would save the large areas we'd have to chop down to cover with solar panels. My vote is to get all the commuters off the road into some kind of mass transit so those of us who enjoy high performance driving can have the roads all to ourselves. Kent Gittings Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: December PUG
Wasn't there a movie about the Santa Monica pier shelling incident? ;-) Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kent Gittings [EMAIL PROTECTED] And there is no record in the Japanese archives of much activity off the U. S. coast by their subs except for the famous incident of shelling the Santa Monica Pier area. . Kent Gittings - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: A* 300 f4 + 1.4 S teleconverter
Me too and I agree fully. In fact I might be selling my Tamron 300/2.8 and Pentax 1.7x AF shortly if anyone can afford it. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tiger Moses Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A* 300 f4 + 1.4 S teleconverter At 08:47 AM 12/5/2001 -0500, you wrote: Subject: A* 300 f4 + 1.4 S teleconverter Hi, has anyone tried this combination: A* 300 f4 + 1.4 S teleconverter I use a Tamron 300 f2.8 with the Pentax 1.7X to make an AUTOFOCUS 510 f5 all the time! Works wonderfully! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography?
I just bought a new Ford F-150 and was surprised that standard equipment is now 4 wheel disc brakes and four wheel ABS. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kent Gittings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: RE: OT: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography? That is mainly a bunch of poop. It depends entirely on whether the ABS system is a top quality design that can simulate threshold braking or not. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ten things to keep in mind about the PDML
And let's not forget 10. It's just as important. :-) Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's all re-read numbers 5 and 8, please. Ten things to keep in mind about the PDML: 1.) It is a moderately active list, generating around 100 messages a day on average. You are encouraged to familiarize yourself with the filtering capabilities of your email client and use them. Your delete key is also available to use. Don't be afraid to skip messages. Most of all, don't subscribe and then whine about getting a lot of email. You can always go the Digest or No Mail route. 2.) The PDML is populated by adults (even if we don't always act as such) who at times employ adult language. If you are in the habit of reading your email with an impressionable audience observing over your shoulder, please be forewarned. 3.) Attachments are strongly discouraged. The message size limit configured into the mail list software discourages them even more. Don't send them. 4.) In order to get your deathless prose delivered to the greatest possible audience, it needs to be written as plain text. Varying sizes of purple text on blue backgrounds may look really cool on your home computer, but they are at best annoying and at worst unreadable to your intended readers on an email list, so please curb your HTML. 5.) The PDML is about Pentax and Photography and Pentax Photography. It is not about politics, abortion, religion, gun control, or other hot button issues, except where they overlap with Pentax, Photography, and/or Pentax Photography. Example: Here is a link to a photo I took at the NRA convention, where the President and the Pope were addressing a group of women demonstrating for abortion rights. I took it with my Pentax camera and Pentax lens. What do you think of the composition? 6.) If English is your mother tongue, please do not ridicule or correct those for whom it is not. I bet your Swedish or Portuguese or German is nothing to write home about. 7.)The PDML is an independent, unsanctioned mail list with no connection to Pentax or its parent company Asahi Optical Co. The information and opinions posted here have no official consent, either implicit or explicit, of either Pentax or AOC. This includes rumors, speculation, do-it-yourself repair advice and the 11 secret herbs and spices that make up Super Multi Coating. 8.) Slapping an OT on your subject line does not give you the right to post whatever the hell you please. We're a relatively tolerant bunch, but please use a little common sense. If you don't, someone will likely offer to tell you where to go get some. Or just tell you where to go. 9.) The Pentax Users' Gallery is open to all members of the PDML. Please consider contributing, because we all want to see your photos. You can find it at http://pug.komkon.org . 10.) If you find yourself overcome with rage over something someone else posted, go outside and make some photos. It's only an email list. Ashwood Lake Photography http://www.alphoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Free Kodak Elitechrome Extra- Color
Hi, I think it's only in subscription issues. After I got mine in the mail, I thumbed through another one at the bookstore and the coupon isn't there. Not that the coupon does me any good in Salt Lake City. The Pro camera shops don't carry Kodak's consumer films (like Elitechrome EC) and the regular photo stores and other retailers carry at best something at each ISO speed point from Fuji and Kodak, but no special flavors. I think that the folks that run these shops see so little profit (and volume) from consumer slide film users that there is little incentive to carry more than the bare minimum. Thanks, William in Utah. Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:14:00 -0600 From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Free Kodak Elitechrome Extra- Color Just a note to all that this months Pop Photo (I assume other Photo mags as well) has a coupon for a free roll of Elitechrome Extra-Color. Just take it to your dealer turn in the coupon and get your free Christmas present from Kodak. DG - - Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Free Kodak Elitechrome Extra- Color
In this area Walgreen drug stores and Ritz Camera regularly stocke Elitechrome Extra-Color. DG At 09:18 AM 12/5/01 -0800, you wrote: Hi, I think it's only in subscription issues. After I got mine in the mail, I thumbed through another one at the bookstore and the coupon isn't there. Not that the coupon does me any good in Salt Lake City. The Pro camera shops don't carry Kodak's consumer films (like Elitechrome EC) and the regular photo stores and other retailers carry at best something at each ISO speed point from Fuji and Kodak, but no special flavors. I think that the folks that run these shops see so little profit (and volume) from consumer slide film users that there is little incentive to carry more than the bare minimum. Thanks, William in Utah. Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:14:00 -0600 From: dick graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Free Kodak Elitechrome Extra- Color Just a note to all that this month's Pop Photo (I assume other Photo mags as well) has a coupon for a free roll of Elitechrome Extra-Color. Just take it to your dealer turn in the coupon and get your free Christmas present from Kodak. DG - - Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT: Neutral countries (was: Re: December PUG)
Well Daniel, you have now managed to insult an Englishman too (i.e. me)! It is well documented that Neville Chamberlain did not want to go to war because he did not want to subject the country to another war so soon after WWI. He desperately tried to avoid going to war by using every diplomatic means possible in the hope that lives could be saved. He was a man of *very* strong morals and the killing that war would have entailed was more than his conscience could bear. Perhaps this thread is a good example of why politics (as Mike J pointed out), is not a good subject for the PDML. Regards, /\/\ick... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Neutral countries (was: Re: December PUG) WWII was, IMHO, caused largely by Neville Chamberlain and others who felt it was better to appease Hitler than go to war over an insignificant country like Czechoslovakia, which was one of the first democracies in Eastern Europe. I fear that the same feelings of anything is better than war and it's not our problem, since it does not (yet) directly affect our country encourages aggressors and terrorists and, in the long run, makes war not only inevitable, but more desstructive than if action had been taken earlier. Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: The war, you should know better than me, is a matter of money and power. It is NOT a matter of moral or ethics or even religion. Everyone that states that is a liar. Trace the money, and you'll see who is interested in wars and who is not. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Ten things to keep in mind about the PDML
Well said Doug 10 too! Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are so assured that what fits your isolated situation and location is the norm, when I assure you your situation is ~not~ the benchmark for pricing or ease of procuring prints. So, put up or shut up. What lab are you pricing from, and where are they? And please list their digital vs. conventional prices for the same sizes. Bill is talking about WAL-MART for crying out loud. Are you telling us that Wal-Mart is not a common store? -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:36 AM, Robert Harris wrote: Gee, is APS still around? I thought it went the way of Apple. :) You mean APS ended up with the highest profit margin while the competition all floundered? ;P -Aaron remember, if highest market share was the same as best, well, Kodak Gold Max would be the best film ever. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/5/01 11:19:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please make sure that you're better informed and more up-to-date before you embarrass yourself in arguments that you evidently know little about. I am no more obligated to buy an inkjet printer and paper to see my digital prints than you are to buy a good minilab to see your film ones. We can *both* get a lab to make prints for us, and we'd pay the exact same price in many places. What's so hard to understand about that? The great thing about digital is that, IF YOU CHOOSE, you can set up a home printing workstation for *much* less money than a good C-41 minilab would cost. But that's optional, not required. You are so assured that what fits your isolated situation and location is the norm, when I assure you your situation is ~not~ the benchmark for pricing or ease of procuring prints. Mafud I never said that my situation is the norm; that is an assumption on your part. What I said was that in many places the prices are the same. If you want to attack overly-general statements, you might want to start with your statement about making prints from digital files: the expense is outrageously unreasonable for just a few prints. In response to that, I could easily quote your above post to me... that you are making the assumption that what fits your isolated situation and location is the norm. To be honest, I don't care what the norm is or isn't. I just wanted to qualify your over-general condemnation of outrageously unreasonable prices for digital prints, and to show you that there are places around where this is not true. How much do you pay for, say, a 4x6 and 8x10 from a digital file, as compared to one from film? I'm curious now. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax digital SLR
Ooh! An on-topic thread, what a find! Ooh, I even started it. Yippee ;-) PÂl writes: Although, I have some sympathy with those who want faster Pentax equipment introductions, I fail to see the sense in wanting an utterly out of date digital slr. Firstly, its generally assumed industrywise that the small size chips are a dead end. Full frame chip is the way of the future. Only in that it fits in very well with existing lens configurations, especially at the wide end. Of course it may well be that smaller-than-24X36 imaging sensors will become the norm - for whatever reason - and this is fine. It just means that lens makers will (and are) rethinking their wide-angle designs to take this into consideration. 17-35s are currently good sellers, no? Secondly, the D30 (is it really successful?) certainly desirable, even if you do not personally see it as such... will be laughed out of the market within a year or simply given away. Disagree. Sure it will 'move down the pecking order' and as such become much more affordable to those who can't or won't justify the cost of owning such kit. It's like buying a 286 computer at an absurd price. Only when the 286 was a year or so past it's introduction date. I think anyone buying electro-mechanical consumer hardware knows that the rate of progress in the design and spec of these things is incredibly steep. Computers illustrate this perfectly. Personally I would say less so with cameras. If all I want to do is output digitally generated photographs onto inkjet paper using a 5-colour (+black) 'photo printer' on A4 or A3, then I need not look any further than a D30. If I wanted better quality for differemt output, then I would quite happily shoot on film using my LX, or medium format, or whatever was required. I am not usually paid to take pictures (though I have 3 portrait commissions for Christmas) and so most of my output is for personal pleasure, and artistic reason. As such, cost only enters the arguement insofar as I can spend as much as I jolly well like on the means to this end. I *could* get around in a Honda Civic (as some apparently do ;-) but I would MUCH rather get around in an AC Cobra! I certainly don't have to justify the cost - the cost is the personal entertainment value achieved. Same with my photography. Good quality digital *is* expensive, but even though I don't make much money from picture-taking, I have an even better reason for wanting to spend to achieve that than, say, a PJ. He/she *has* to buy it, I *want* to! Thirdly, Pentax have clearly stated that they want to make a COMPETITIVE digital slr in the near future. In fact, the 6Mpix MZ-D was dropped because Pentax saw no point in having the most expensive digital slr on the market while other manufacturers could offer the same performance for much less. Fair enough, can't argue with that. Frankly, we are now in the very early days of digital cameras. I would personally stay away from the first generation digital slr's unless you need it in your work. The market is extremely small and the only reason Nikon and Canon can get away with genuinely bad and overpriced cameras is their position in the pro market segment. I respect your judgement, and when I step back and think seriously about it using my head, I would tend to agree with you. However, when my heart has it's say, all that goes out the window. The process goes something like this: Heart: Js! D'you see that? Fir f's sake! You know what this means??!! Head: Be reasonable man - you can't afford that! Heart: Yeah I know, but, sheesh. That's truly amazing, eh? Head: You'd never get it past her. Heart: Yeah, she'd kill me. Head: And the credit card is fuller than a latrine at a laxative convention. Heart: But they've just raised the credit limit! Head: Oh God, I forgot. Heart: And I'd sell some lenses of course. Head: I'm losing it... Heart: And think of all the film and processing costs I could save! Head: That's it I'm off - Heart: Right! Onto the net - gotta do some reading! Head: (footsteps into distance, door slams) Heart: This'll be so cool...! The next generation of digital SLR's will be the first serious ones technically speaking. If you want a D30, by all means go ahead. Personally I would be grossly disappointed if Pentax release anything remotely like the D30. I would much rather wait for the Pentax, I expect some hints after Christmas. Failing that, as you predict, D30s will fall in price as Canon-users go for the EOS1-D, and I will most likely pick one up. I certainly will NOT be subscribing to the CDML! I'll still have my LX :-) Thanks for stimulating this thread. Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and
Re: Virius alert
He said the virus usually arrived with the e-mail subject Hi and always had the attachment gone.scr about a new screen saver - which should be deleted immediately. Thats why I run Linux, I dont know what a virus is :) Kevin There's always one! ;-) otty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:18 AM, Chris Brogden wrote: Look... YOU DON'T NEED A COMPUTER TO GET A PRINT FROM A DIGITAL CAMERA. What part of that is hard to understand? Mafud full well understands this, as evidenced by pretty much this exact same exchange some time last year. He's trying to get a rise out of us, and, once again, I'm taking the bait. I just can't stand misinformation, especially misinformation that paints my business in a bad light. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Tiger's Christmas shopping
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:23 AM, Tiger Moses wrote: I was trying to minimize postage/handling! But if you are offering, throw me a cost for 1 medium, 1 large with Shipping Geez, that mean I have to actually go INTO a Harley dealership! *snicker* I'll see what I can do. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax digital SLR
- Original Message - From: Pål Audun Jensen Firstly, its generally assumed industrywise that the small size chips are a dead end. Full frame chip is the way of the future. Thirdly, Pentax have clearly stated that they want to make a COMPETITIVE digital slr in the near future. In fact, the 6Mpix MZ-D was dropped because Pentax saw no point in having the most expensive digital slr on the market while other manufacturers could offer the same performance for much less. Pål In the semiconductor industry, the cost of a chip is directly related to the size of the chip, so full (35mm) frame sensors will always be expensive. This implies that we can't expect a full frame SLR from PENTAX ? George - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Re: What does The Prisoner say about anecdotal evidence? g
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless you want to print your owndictionary. :) Of course, I could see that use of civilian in a joking manner, but as you informed us earlier, you never joke. Nope. Civilian is used generically by nearly all crafts, hobbies and occupations to denote persons who are not like us. So to a person not affiliated with the PDML, we could readily call them Civilians and be correct. The difference between me, you and the word civilian is I'm cosmopolitan about it while you? You're being a little anal. As at least two of us have shown you, that is not what civilian means, according to dictionaries. If you think that, you are wrong. What you are talking about is a humourous use of the word. I was just trying to point out to you that when people use the word civilian this way, they are making a JOKE. It is supposed to be HUMOUROUS, because of its metaphorical implications and military meaning. You seem to think that civilian is a literal description of outsiders, when it is not. Anyone who uses it this way is either misinformed or, IMO, a bit pretentious. I assume that you are misinformed, so I was just letting you know that. There's nothing wrong with ignorance. There's a lot of things that I don't know, and that's normal. What I really hate is wilfull ignorance, where people refuse to learn anything new because they assume that their opinions are inherently correct. I don't care if you want to remain misinformed, but I don't want everyone else on the list to receive erroneous information. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Inkjet problem
On Monday, December 3, 2001, at 10:26 PM, John Mustarde wrote: And don't forget a good knock on the cabinet cures lots of machinery malfunctions. from http://www.improb.com/news/2000/july2000/fix-printer-2000-07.html : AIRHEAD TECH NOTES-- How To Fix a Broken Printer by Pelham Grenville, AIR staff The computer printer is a basic piece of equipment, well known to every modern researcher. Most printers undergo heavy use, and from time to time fall in need of repair. Here is an outline of how you can get a broken or balky printer working, at mininal cost in time or frustration. The procedure is simple: 1. Remove the printer's ink cartridge. 2. Obtain 1 (one) liter of tepid water. 3. Pour the water into the empty ink cartridge slot. 4. Buy a new printer. I have found this method to be reliable, and satisfying. © Copyright 2000 Annals of Improbable Research (AIR) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Introduction Questions
I am resending this with a Subject line this time. Sorry for the repost. I would like to introduce myself. I just recently found the PUG and its message list/group. It looks interesting and so far the posts have been educational (outside of the whole street imaging OT threads). I am getting back into photography (deeper than taking family/holiday pictures) and questions abound. I have the following camera/equipment: Pentax PZ-20 Pentax 28-80 f/3.5-4.7 SMC-FA (lens was dropped, still works, but held together with duct tape) Pentax 28-80 f/3.5-5.6 SMC-FA (just purchased used from BH) Pentax 70-200 f/4-5.6 SMC-FA Pentax 100-300 f/4.5-5.6 SMC-FA UV and Polarizer filters Vivitar 285HV Thyristor w/ vari-power Monopod I am testing different types of film - so far I've tried T400CN, T-Max 400 (I used to shoot and develop this back in college), Portra 400 BW and am now onto slide films (Kodak E100VS to start, with more on the way). I'm looking at posting to the PUG as well as starting to get involved with my local camera group competitions. My subject matter is landscapes/outside, people and street photography and maybe sports (local, town teams, etc). Question 1 Looking at my equipment, what would you suggest to be the next purchase? A prime lens? A newer or better body? Which accessories? (A tripod is scheduled to be purchased.) Question 2 I don't have a slide viewer, but want to continue with slide film. Should I watch BH/KEH for used viewers/projectors or should I lean towards a light box? Question 3 Digital scanning...Should I look into purchasing a film scanner. If so should I really go for one with ICE/FARE technology, or can I get good results with a less expensive model without the dust removal, etc? Money is a slight deterrent right now. Question 4 Printing from slides. If I get a scanner, which printer should I get (I'm waiting for the results of the December print-off). Or can I get my local lab to print prints from my slides? These would be to show off around and keep a mini-portfolio for myself. TIA for any help... Ed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:18 AM, Chris Brogden wrote: Look... YOU DON'T NEED A COMPUTER TO GET A PRINT FROM A DIGITAL CAMERA. What part of that is hard to understand? Mafud full well understands this, as evidenced by pretty much this exact same exchange some time last year. He's trying to get a rise out of us, and, once again, I'm taking the bait. I don't think so. I think he's genuinely slow to adopt new ideas. If you take offense at this, Mafud, how else do you explain your failure to understand these basic points over the past year? I just can't stand misinformation, especially misinformation that paints my business in a bad light. Agreed. That's why I'm continuing this on-list instead of taking it off-list as I usually do. Whether from ignorance or maliciousness, Mafud is spreading a lot of false information about the digital process. I don't want people to read that and become misinformed themselves. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Neutral countries (was: Re: December PUG)
As I recall, he made some rather disparaging remarks about fighting for people who lived so far away and had names that were so hard to pronounce, meaning the Czechs and Slovaks. Notice that these factors never deterred Britain from conquering far-away countries like India. He also claimed to deliver peace with honor and peace in our time. What he did was embolden Hitler to invade Poland. Politics was injected into this forum by the complaint that some PDML's actually had the nerve to photograph their country's flag for the PUG, at the time their country was suffering the effects of a great tragedy. Mick Maguire wrote: Well Daniel, you have now managed to insult an Englishman too (i.e. me)! It is well documented that Neville Chamberlain did not want to go to war because he did not want to subject the country to another war so soon after WWI. He desperately tried to avoid going to war by using every diplomatic means possible in the hope that lives could be saved. He was a man of *very* strong morals and the killing that war would have entailed was more than his conscience could bear.Perhaps this thread is a good example of why politics (as Mike J pointed out), is not a good subject for the PDML. Regards, /\/\ick... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Neutral countries (was: Re: December PUG) WWII was, IMHO, caused largely by Neville Chamberlain and others who felt it was better to appease Hitler than go to war over an insignificant country like Czechoslovakia, which was one of the first democracies in Eastern Europe. I fear that the same feelings of anything is better than war and it's not our problem, since it does not (yet) directly affect our country encourages aggressors and terrorists and, in the long run, makes war not only inevitable, but more desstructive than if action had been taken earlier. Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: The war, you should know better than me, is a matter of money and power. It is NOT a matter of moral or ethics or even religion. Everyone that states that is a liar. Trace the money, and you'll see who is interested in wars and who is not. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: San Francisco trip
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Bill Sullivan wrote: Regarding the closure of Union Square, I phoned a friend today. He tells me the stores and hotels around Union Square are open. It's the square itself (a square block between Powell, Post, Stockton, and O'Farrell) and the below-ground parking garage that are closed. Oh, yes, of course. Sorry if my comment made anyone think that the whole neighborhood was closed... I just hate that the square has been closed for all this year. The stores are indeed decorated for Christmas. j -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Oh, yeah? SUV this
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Mike Johnston wrote: Let's not get into it, huh, guys, please? Sheesh, what this list needs is a good censor. g, d, r No worries, I'm out. j -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Fixed aperture AF zooms
At 12:13 PM 12/5/01 -0500, you wrote: Try fixed aperture ones from Sigma, Tamron, and Tokina. All make some good lenses with fixed F2.8 or F4 apertures. Kent Gittings I can only find the Sigma 24-70/f2.8, 28-70/f2.8 and a 28-70/f2.8 DF and Tokina 28-80/f2.8 (and the older 28-70/f2.6-2.8 which is close enough to a fixed aperture for most occasions) Tamron's 28-105/f2.8 doesn't seem to be available in Pentax mount. The only f4 zoom is the Pentax 28-70/f4. Nobody else seems to make a constant aperture AF zoom (for Pentax mount, in the 28-80mm range - there is the recently mentioned Sigma 100-300/f4, and the 80-200/f2.8's but I don't think that those will work too well in a studio :-) So the available zooms look like: Mfg.LensApprox. Price (USD) Pentax 28-70/f4$150 Sigma 28-70/f2.8 EX $280 Tokina 28-70/f2.6-2.8 $370 Sigma 28-70/f2.8 EX DF$380 Sigma 24-70/f2.8 EX DF$380 Tokina 28-80/f2.8 $600 Pentax 28-70/f2.8 $980 Any others? --Mike Nosal - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Inkjet problem
And don't forget a good knock on the cabinet cures lots of machinery malfunctions. It's surprising how true this is. In the past month, for example, I've fixed our invoice printer at work this way, as well as one of our POS terminals, our photocopy machine, and my computer at home when it wouldn't boot up. I know nothing about what makes 'em tick, but they do seem to respond well to a good thump on the head. :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Introduction Questions
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to introduce myself. I just recently found the PUG and its message list/group. It looks interesting and so far the posts have been educational (outside of the whole street imaging OT threads). Welcome to the list! It's actually a pretty fun and informative list most of the time, with a few occasional lapses into OT wars. I have the following camera/equipment: Pentax PZ-20 Pentax 28-80 f/3.5-4.7 SMC-FA (lens was dropped, still works, but held together with duct tape) Pentax 28-80 f/3.5-5.6 SMC-FA (just purchased used from BH) Pentax 70-200 f/4-5.6 SMC-FA Pentax 100-300 f/4.5-5.6 SMC-FA UV and Polarizer filters Vivitar 285HV Thyristor w/ vari-power Monopod I am testing different types of film - so far I've tried T400CN, T-Max 400 (I used to shoot and develop this back in college), Portra 400 BW and am now onto slide films (Kodak E100VS to start, with more on the way). I'm looking at posting to the PUG as well as starting to get involved with my local camera group competitions. My subject matter is landscapes/outside, people and street photography and maybe sports (local, town teams, etc). Question 1 Looking at my equipment, what would you suggest to be the next purchase? A prime lens? A newer or better body? Which accessories? (A tripod is scheduled to be purchased.) Why do you need more equipment? There's no one way to answer this, as you can make great photos with one body and one lens. Some general thoughts... (1) If you shoot sports (or anything else) for money, then you *need* a second body. This is not optional. If your main camera dies for any reason, then having a back-up body (even if it's a basic one) will let you continue shooting. (2) If you plan on making enlargements from your photos, or want to maximize their quality, pick up some prime lenses. The zooms you mention are okay if you're printing at smaller sizes, but they aren't capable of producing as sharp and distortion-free images as primes are. (3) As a general rule, think about what you're finding the limitations of your equipment to be. If you find that 28mm isn't wide enough, pick up a 24mm (or wider) prime. If you find that the quality of your shots isn't good enough when they are enlarged, pick up some primes. If you find that you wish your body had faster AF, more features, or whatever, look at newer bodies. It depends on what you want from your equipment. Question 2 I don't have a slide viewer, but want to continue with slide film. Should I watch BH/KEH for used viewers/projectors or should I lean towards a light box? Whichever you prefer... or both. Would you like to give slide shows for other people, or are you okay with just looking at the slides on a light box with a good loupe? Question 3 Digital scanning...Should I look into purchasing a film scanner. If so should I really go for one with ICE/FARE technology, or can I get good results with a less expensive model without the dust removal, etc? Money is a slight deterrent right now. Only you can answer the first part of this question. How do we know if you should get a film scanner??? I can tell you that the quality of the scanners is high enough that you shouldn't let concerns about the quality of the scans stop you from buying one. If you do get one, get one with the ICE (or similar) technology, as it can make a *huge* difference in the time you have to spend retouching each slide after the scan. Question 4 Printing from slides. If I get a scanner, which printer should I get (I'm waiting for the results of the December print-off). Or can I get my local lab to print prints from my slides? These would be to show off around and keep a mini-portfolio for myself. There's no one printer that really jumps out in terms of quality and price. Epson, Canon, HP, etc. all make some really nice printers that are capable of producing very good results. As for whether your local lab can make prints from your slides, why not ask them? It's certainly possible, and many labs can do it, but I can't say whether or not your lab does, or what process they use to do so. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Introduction Questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am resending this with a Subject line this time. Sorry for the repost. I would like to introduce myself. I just recently found the PUG and its message list/group. It looks interesting and so far the posts have been educational (outside of the whole street imaging OT threads). I am getting back into photography (deeper than taking family/holiday pictures) and questions abound. I have the following camera/equipment: Pentax PZ-20 Pentax 28-80 f/3.5-4.7 SMC-FA (lens was dropped, still works, but held together with duct tape) Pentax 28-80 f/3.5-5.6 SMC-FA (just purchased used from BH) Pentax 70-200 f/4-5.6 SMC-FA Pentax 100-300 f/4.5-5.6 SMC-FA UV and Polarizer filters Vivitar 285HV Thyristor w/ vari-power Monopod I am testing different types of film - so far I've tried T400CN, T-Max 400 (I used to shoot and develop this back in college), Portra 400 BW and am now onto slide films (Kodak E100VS to start, with more on the way). I'm looking at posting to the PUG as well as starting to get involved with my local camera group competitions. My subject matter is landscapes/outside, people and street photography and maybe sports (local, town teams, etc). Question 1 Looking at my equipment, what would you suggest to be the next purchase? A prime lens? A newer or better body? Which accessories? (A tripod is scheduled to be purchased.) Question 2 I don't have a slide viewer, but want to continue with slide film. Should I watch BH/KEH for used viewers/projectors or should I lean towards a light box? Question 3 Digital scanning...Should I look into purchasing a film scanner. If so should I really go for one with ICE/FARE technology, or can I get good results with a less expensive model without the dust removal, etc? Money is a slight deterrent right now. Question 4 Printing from slides. If I get a scanner, which printer should I get (I'm waiting for the results of the December print-off). Or can I get my local lab to print prints from my slides? These would be to show off around and keep a mini-portfolio for myself. TIA for any help... Ed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Robert Harris, Economic and Public Policy Consultant 30 River Road, #17J, Roosevelt Island, NY 10044 Tel. 212-753-4951 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Introduction Questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am resending this with a Subject line this time. That is considerate, but unnecessary. As you will quickly learn if you stick with the list, subjects usually are given but as often as not have nothing to do with the content of the messages. :) Welcome to the group. Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT: Neutral countries (was: Re: December PUG)
That is all pretty well true, although hindsight is 20/20 vision of course. Chamberlain didn't have much to do with conquering India as far as I am aware, but he did allow Hitler more time and did try to play down the significance of Hitler's actions to justify not going to war. his intentions however *were* noble and the decisions were made in light of intelligence at the time. Of course if he had gone into the war earlier we could be arguing the toss over whether bloodshed could have been avoided by further diplomatic means. I am prod to be English, and even though I have more left wing views than any politician at that time I also feel very proud of what Neville Chamberlain did at that time, going against the advice of his cabinet and holding out to try and avoid taking his country into another war. how easy it would have been to go with the flow, but he didn't, he stood for what he believed in. I wasn't accusing you of bringing politics into it Daniel, just pointing out that Mike was right; when we talk politics we will never agree... Anyway, that's my lot on this, I'm fed up with OT posts so shouldn't be contributing!!! Regards, /\/\ick... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Neutral countries (was: Re: December PUG) As I recall, he made some rather disparaging remarks about fighting for people who lived so far away and had names that were so hard to pronounce, meaning the Czechs and Slovaks. Notice that these factors never deterred Britain from conquering far-away countries like India. He also claimed to deliver peace with honor and peace in our time. What he did was embolden Hitler to invade Poland. Politics was injected into this forum by the complaint that some PDML's actually had the nerve to photograph their country's flag for the PUG, at the time their country was suffering the effects of a great tragedy. Mick Maguire wrote: Well Daniel, you have now managed to insult an Englishman too (i.e. me)! It is well documented that Neville Chamberlain did not want to go to war because he did not want to subject the country to another war so soon after WWI. He desperately tried to avoid going to war by using every diplomatic means possible in the hope that lives could be saved. He was a man of *very* strong morals and the killing that war would have entailed was more than his conscience could bear.Perhaps this thread is a good example of why politics (as Mike J pointed out), is not a good subject for the PDML. Regards, /\/\ick... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Neutral countries (was: Re: December PUG) WWII was, IMHO, caused largely by Neville Chamberlain and others who felt it was better to appease Hitler than go to war over an insignificant country like Czechoslovakia, which was one of the first democracies in Eastern Europe. I fear that the same feelings of anything is better than war and it's not our problem, since it does not (yet) directly affect our country encourages aggressors and terrorists and, in the long run, makes war not only inevitable, but more desstructive than if action had been taken earlier. Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: The war, you should know better than me, is a matter of money and power. It is NOT a matter of moral or ethics or even religion. Everyone that states that is a liar. Trace the money, and you'll see who is interested in wars and who is not. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at
Viruses Again
A word to the wise... I found out today my system had contracted another virus within the last week. I know there are new viruses all the time and it is impossible for a antivirus program to protect against them all. It's still IRONIC that after spending $60, is when I get an infection. It was the W32.badtrans... virus. I had thought that a recent software installation was causing the problem (it was I guess...). There's not much differences between a virus and the normal way Windows systems work. A Kernel32.exe file would produce an error every time I used the computer. About 15 min after turning it on. This AM Antivirus prompted me to download updates, which I did. It then went into it's virus checking routine and found 4 infected files which IT COULD NOT fix, one of them being the above mentioned file. Here's the really crappy part. It told be my Master Boot Record had changed and asked if I wanted to restore it. Since it just told me I had a virus, and since I knew of no reason it should have changed, I said YES. Well, upon rebooting, l behold I have no logical D:\ drive. It was partitioned over two years ago. So why in *$% would Norton Antivirus restore it to something that would erase my logical drive. I since downloaded the special TOOL they have to remove the virus, NOT given to me by the Liveupdate process. I am virus free I think. I've got a support post into Symantec to get some help on the Master Boot Record issue. Does anyone here know how to restore a logical drive without erasing it's contents? Windows 98 Second Edition is the OS. Thanks. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Recommend a 3rd party, inexpensive, WA (15-20mm) lens?
Hi All, I'm looking to replace my Super Tak 20/4.5 lens, screw mount or k mount would fit my needs. I just can't continue to sacrifice so much of the image as is necessary with the Super Tak (cropping the outer 20%, in order to arrive at a fairly sharp finished image) I've searched the catalogs, and there doesn't seem to be a lens in the $200US dollar range that has fairly decent reviews. Are there any lenses that bridge the gap between the low priced (and lousy reviews) lenses like the Vivitar 19/3.something, and the very expensive Pentax, Tamron lenses that are often in the $400 dollar range. Does anyone have a recommendation, for instance, on the Cambridge (Cambron) lenses? or how about the Sakars, and the other Russian lenses? But, I DON'T want a fisheye lens. It must be a very wide angle rectilinear, that I can use in confined rooms, etc., to capture important image information near the peripheries of the frame. Thanks for any clues and experiences with this (obscure) market. Sid B - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax digital SLR
Cotty wrote: PÂl wrote: Although, I have some sympathy with those who want faster Pentax equipment introductions, I fail to see the sense in wanting an utterly out of date digital slr. Firstly, its generally assumed industrywise that the small size chips are a dead end. Full frame chip is the way of the future. I think that full-frame CCDs and smaller ones may well coexist. Mike Johnston recently mentioned professional wildlife photographers who don't want to upgrade to the latest Canon D30 because it's CCD yields only 1.3x focal length magnification. For most of us a full-frame CCD will be the best compromise, but for those who make a living with telephotos, the smaller CCD makes sense as long as the pixel count is sufficient for the enlargements they need. Only in that it fits in very well with existing lens configurations, especially at the wide end. Of course it may well be that smaller-than-24X36 imaging sensors will become the norm - for whatever reason - and this is fine. It just means that lens makers will (and are) rethinking their wide-angle designs to take this into consideration. 17-35s are currently good sellers, no? Yes, but I love and *use* my 18-35 most at 18mm. I'd have to get a 12mm with some digital SLRs (and if I had it I'd be constantly thinking I wonder what it'd look like at a *real* 12mm?!) Secondly, the D30 (is it really successful?) certainly desirable, even if you do not personally see it as such... will be laughed out of the market within a year or simply given away. Disagree. Sure it will 'move down the pecking order' and as such become much more affordable to those who can't or won't justify the cost of owning such kit. I also think that the D30 will be obsoleted quickly; It has neither the wide angle advantage of a full-frame CCD nor the 1.6x focal length magnification of smaller CCDs. Either of these makes sense to me and the D30 is neither one nor the other; it's too much of a compromise to work, IMO. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The New French Anti-Photography Law
I believe that many in the US, even some in the media don't understand Freedom of the press as it exists, has historically existed in the US, and how the federal courts have ruled on it over the years. The press can report anything it learns and wants to report in the same way you can say anything you want to say. It means the press is immune from government prosecution. The government can request that certain events, facts not be reported, and the press can choose to honor the request or not. This is not censorship. There are clear and obvious exceptions. As with speech, if the press publishes something that would result in a clear and present danger, I'm sure you'll find the courts ruling against them. An example would be publishing the names of US spies located in a foreign country like, say, China. They would likely be found complicent in their deaths. Another example would be publishing weaknesses or weak areas in US combat forces engaging in or about to engage in combat. While in general, the press is free to print what it learns, this does not mean that anyone or any agency has any legal obligation to help them. Everyone, even the government, has a right to say no comment and the press is free to make anything of it that they wish. In general, the press has been present (invited and/or accommodated) along side regular troops in many wars - though never with special forces. In these cases, the press may be required to sign away some of their rights and allow their copy to be censored. If they don't want to sign, well then, they can run around the battle field on their own. In time of war, it is sufficient that we learn the details after they can no longer affect the outcome. This freedom of the press is freedom from government prosecution. It is not freedom from civil prosecution. If the press is negligent and recklessly harms someone or some civil group unjustly, they can be sued. IOW, being a PJ and working for the press does not entitle one to any position for any shot. FYI, all governments misdirect the media to some extent in time of war. The tactic is not directed at the US population, but at the enemy through the media. My mother (RCAF) tells the story of the cover used to explain the sudden increase in success in nighttime bombing during WWII. The Brits had developed a useful airborne RADAR which allowed the pilots and bombardiers to clearly see targets at night, and they naturally wanted to keep the innovation secret as long as possible. They leaked the news that high quantities of retinol processed from carrots was responsible for a great increase in the night vision of pilots. Some downed German airmen were found to have stuffed themselves to the gills with carrots just before night time flights! The ONLY object of war is to win, hopefully with as little loss to your own side as possible. This is accomplished by destroying the enemy's ability to wage war. There is no substitute for victory. Minimal loss to the opposing side or to their civilian population is a merely a side bonus. No war is sterile. All wars have civilian, non combatant losses. Every nation that embarks on a course leading to war leads it's entire population into harms way. The US does not set out on a course directed to harm innocents. This is not due to some nobility on the part of the US. It is because this is a waste of perfectly good munitions that could be better used on the enemy. Civilians are often caught up in the fray as the US or any other nation goes about the process of destroying the enemy's ability to do war. In WWII, ball bearing factories turned out the precision bearings necessary to construct the machines of war (aircraft, tanks etc.). We targeted the factories, slowed the enemy's war machine and civilians died. This is all in direct contradiction to the tactics of our enemy, an enemy that targets civilians. I was amused to hear the Taliban explain that they would win because they were willing to die for their cause and US soldiers weren't. It was General George S. Patton who said something like, No one ever won a war by dieing for his country. The object of war is not to die for your country. It's to make the other bastard die for his. Regards, Bob... Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event. - Samuel Adams, 1771 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/5/01 8:08:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not sure as I am not in USA, but hasn't it gone away already
Re: OT: Neutral countries (was: Re: December PUG)
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 01:31 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Politics was injected into this forum by the complaint that some PDML's actually had the nerve to photograph their country's flag for the PUG, at the time their country was suffering the effects of a great tragedy. I think you have read far more into Albano's comments than were actually there. The quote is Too much stripes and stars this month to my taste, but I suppose it's allowed by the moment the equinox happened. I think you're fighting a fight that isn't there, Daniel. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Inkjet problem
About 10 years ago I had an office telephone purchased from A It malfunctioned within the warranty period so I called customer service. The rep told me, literally, to pick the phone up 6 above the desk and drop it! It fixed the problem and I had no problems since. True story. Maris - Original Message - From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: Re: OT: Inkjet problem | And don't forget a good knock on the cabinet cures lots of machinery | malfunctions. | | It's surprising how true this is. In the past month, for example, I've | fixed our invoice printer at work this way, as well as one of our POS | terminals, our photocopy machine, and my computer at home when it wouldn't | boot up. I know nothing about what makes 'em tick, but they do seem to | respond well to a good thump on the head. :) | | chris | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Viruses Again
The only program I know of is Partition Magic (though there may be similar programs out there). It includes a feature which it says will move a program from one drive to another and adjust all necessary registry entries and other drive information as necessary for the move, though I haven't tried that feature out. Maris - Original Message - From: aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Viruses Again [snipped] | Does anyone here know how to restore a logical drive without erasing it's | contents? | | Windows 98 Second Edition is the OS. | | Thanks. | | Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The New French Anti-Photography Law
In a message dated 12/5/01 11:40:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are numerous sources for additional information. You just have to look for them. You know I already knew that. But other sources can be slanted toward one or the other view and at the same time, be no more truthful: if a greens or right or left source, or Conservative or liberal source, the news will be filtered by the politics involved. What distresses me most is normally straightforward American news sources, including Television, simply have swallowed the administration's press releases whole, parroting the administration viewpoint, saying what the administration wants said. Bush has taken this opportunity to subvert some freedoms and subsume others. A Homeland Security agency sounds suspiciously like Fatherland Securitat to many, including myself. The combining of the CIA/FBI ought to scare the hell out of everybody, especially since no one will be watching either if them, not even Congress, our so-called elected overseers. That massive, invasive superspy agency will do mischief and the press, in bed with Bush, Cheney, Powell and Rice, will stand by muted by their own near treasonous complicity. This superagency will do what the popular attitude says they can: make America SAFE (at any cost), including taking away individual freedoms in the interest of national security. Having set up this all pervasive Securitat, Bush has ignored Congress anyway. Meanwhile our so-called free press stands by, hamstrung. **We're just damn lucky we have a dividied Congress or Bush and his cronies would have a real field day. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Neutral countries (was: Re: December PUG)
Noble intensions often produce unfortunate results. I really believe that the British monachy believed that it was acting on such noble intensions when it conquered much of Asia and Africa to carry out the white man's burden of civilizing the heathens. Some of those heathens, like Gandhi, may have had a better conception of what was truely noble. Anyway, I can't feel Chamberlain was being noble in tossing Czechoslovakia to the Nazi lions, after England and France had made so many promises since 1919 to defend the sovereinty of Czechoslovakia, Poland and other Eastern European democracies. Mick Maguire wrote: Chamberlain didn't have much to do with conquering India as far as I am aware, but he did allow Hitler more time and did try to play down the significance of Hitler's actions to justify not going to war. his intentions however *were* noble and the decisions were made in light of intelligence at the time. I am prod to be English, and even though I have more left wing views than any politician at that time I also feel very proud of what Neville Chamberlain did at that time, going against the advice of his cabinet and holding out to try and avoid taking his country into another war. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
A new List paradigm: ITs
Pal wrote: Sure, but this is not commensurate with your statement that people can post whatever is on their mind - what kind of self-restrain is that?. It is this statement I strongly disagree with. In fact, Mike did just that; giving a friendly reminder but you didn't feel comfortable with that in spite of your position of tolerating everything. This is double standard. Here, Pal hits the nail on the head. Tom's position is essentially self-contradictory--which is why it amuses me. It's like those humorous bumper stickers that say I CAN'T STAND INTOLERANCE. g People are far to quick in putting OT in front of perfectly on topic post. I agree with this too. Anything having to do with photography, photographs, the way we photograph, or the reasons why, other photographers, etc., is an on-topic post. The need for restraint, at root, respects the reality that only a minority of list participants are active posters. The rest are lurkers, people who read but don't respond. Those people presumably come to this list to read it because its subject is Pentax and photography. When we the posting minority go off about computer viruses, cartoons, Princess Diana, politics and religion and so forth, we dilute the usefulness and purpose of the list for lurkers. Posting is in some sense a responsibility--to keep our remarks pertinent. We are in a sense public speakers, invited to speak around a certain general topic. On the other hand, we are a community of friends in conversation, and, as I remarked jokingly to Tom yesterday, sometimes we get bored, and the conversation wanders where it will. Let's face it, what are the compelling topics of any camera-brand list? --what camera to get a. what cameras we have --what lens to get a. what lenses we have --the company (Pentax) and its fortunes and strategies --how our brand compares to others --old (used) equipment --new equipment a. news of upcoming releases b. reviews and comments about new equipment c. wish lists --ancilliary equipment a. how to use it b. how to chose it --photographic pursuits (what we do with our cameras) --general photography topics (education, history, theory, techniques) --digital vs. traditional --meta concerns: a. computers and programs b. the list itself c. the behavior of those of us on the list I submit that this list is one of the best of all the camera-brand lists. We are generally friendly and polite; peoples' posts are often thoughtful and interesting; we welcome newcomers and help with questions. Plus, we have many supporting features that other lists don't have: the PUG Gallery, Stan's and Boz's sites, Albano's surveys, Chris's PUG comment assignments, etc. But there are times when the standard topics listed above seem exhausted. Right now we've chewed over the MZ-S to everyone's satisfaction, done digital to death (thenk-yew, thenk-yew g) and examined every facet of what Pentax seems to be up to. So we start chatting up other things. Understandable. Race car tires, Mighty Mouse. (Errrg) STILL AND ALL, anyone who's been on ANY list for ANY length of time knows that there are certain issues topics that ALWAYS start endless arguments even among friends--pollution, race, abortion, the social and economic structure, politicians and political parties, gun control, liberal vs. conservative...we all know the list. Heck, you can pretty much guess at the first message whether an issue is a hot-button topic or not. It seems to me that we can agree that issues topics lead to bad blood, extensive wasted bandwidth, and, to boot, never resolve a damn thing. This isn't theoretical; it's empirical. All you gotta do to see it is hang around any list and watch for long enough. If we can't agree to avoid ITs (issues topics) and/or we can't manage to police ourselves, I for one think it's helpful to have other people step in and make some gentle attempt to break it up when it looks like ITs are brewing and threatening to burst forth into a melee. And unless I get censored, that's what I'll probably continue to do. s Cheers and good light, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Recommend a 3rd party, inexpen sive, WA (15-20mm) lens?
Sid B. wrote: I'm looking to replace my Super Tak 20/4.5 lens, screw mount or k mount would fit my needs. I just can't continue to sacrifice so much of the image as is necessary with the Super Tak (cropping the outer 20%, in order to arrive at a fairly sharp finished image) I've searched the catalogs, and there doesn't seem to be a lens in the $200US dollar range that has fairly decent reviews. Are there any lenses that bridge the gap between the low priced (and lousy reviews) lenses like the Vivitar 19/3.something, and the very expensive Pentax, Tamron lenses that are often in the $400 dollar range. I bought an old Sigma 18-35 manual focus on eBay a while back: Henry's had a bunch of them as new old stock and was selling them out at around $200.00 each. It's no match for a good prime or even a current pro level zoom but it's great for the money if you can find one. It's one of the most fun lenses in my bag, actually. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Viruses Again
Thanks, I've used it the past. What I need is software, or a step-by-step procedure, to have my system recognize that a logical D drive once existed, make it exist once again, and recognize it's FAT. All without damaging anything in the partition. Tom C. - Original Message - From: Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Viruses Again The only program I know of is Partition Magic (though there may be similar programs out there). It includes a feature which it says will move a program from one drive to another and adjust all necessary registry entries and other drive information as necessary for the move, though I haven't tried that feature out. Maris - Original Message - From: aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Viruses Again [snipped] | Does anyone here know how to restore a logical drive without erasing it's | contents? | | Windows 98 Second Edition is the OS. | | Thanks. | | Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Minolta info
Thanks for the info, Kent. My friend's main concern is the lenses quality. What do you think about them? How they compare to Pentax and Nikon? Regards and thanks Albano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
