Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
In a message dated 12/5/01 11:45:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Yup, and my "Kiosk" made over 100,000 dollars profit for the company that > you are so proudly a shareholder of. Something to think about when you > denigrate the work of others, is they are paying dividends to thankless > jerks. > William Robb > Wal~Mart 3077 > _ The only thing related to film I use at Walmart is the one-hour when I need to see or provide proofs for the day and it is past noon, when the local "pro" labs stop taking work of that kind. I tried Walmart a few times, shareholders profits strongly in mind. But no Walmart is discriminating enough to handle one ISO 400 or 800 film from another. What local Walmarts (we have 5 (five!) SUPER CENTERS within 32 miles of where I live) have done to some of my KODAK PORTRA and KODAK SUPRA film is criminal. No more, not even for the sake of profit sharing. And you want me to beileve you and your Walmart are the exception? **While you and I have had differences, whenever you spoke of "lab" before, I thought "pro" printer in a "pro" lab. No more. "The illusion is complete, the magician"... Anon. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Dec. favorites (not OT)
Dan, I'm really glad that you like the image. I can say that this is one of the most emotional experiences I have had taking a picture. Being so close in time to 9/11 and hearing and seeing the patriotism was quite moving. I hope that the image somehow conveys what I felt. Thanks, Bruce Dayton Wednesday, December 05, 2001, 10:19:15 PM, you wrote: >Snip< DS> My favs in this months gallery: DS> Bruce Dayton's "Amazing Grace"- wonderful photo - love the strong patterns DS> and colors, the balance, point of focus. Best photo in this month's gallery DS> (for me). Two thumbs up. >Snip< - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: The offensive stench of an inkhorn meme (was Re: Virius alert
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Bob Walkden wrote: > Hi, > > well, since the whole world's gone mad and nothing is on topic > anymore, I might as well join in. [snip latin lesson]... > Now let that be a lesson to you, and don't let me catch any of you ever > using the wrong form again or you'll end up in detention. Heh, that reminds me of the scene in Monty Python and the Life of Brian... "People called the Romans, they go to the 'ouse?" Very informative Bob. Thank you. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
In a message dated 12/5/01 11:49:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > "But you were complaining that Joe sixpack can't get his digital > processed cheaply... Now I think you're just being argumentative." I've since learned that "Joe" can take his dinky digitals to Walmart. > say that digital can't be processed inexpensivley, and then you > say that a cheap place isn't a real lab so it doesn't count." As a long time (13 years and about five stock splits later) shareholder, Walmart pays for a lot of my personal indulgences. Thanks a lot and I mean that from the bottom of my avaricious heart. > go to the local "pro" lab, he's going to go to > Walmart, Walgreens, or any number of other cheap places where he can get > his digital stuff printed cheaply." That is "Joe's" prerogative. But cheap in now way means or infers "good," "better" or most importantly for~my~ paying clients, "best"; or consistency. > consumer > weather they drop off film or digital files, the end result is the same. > They have prints to hand out and show Grandma, and it doesn't have to cost > any more." That summation you describe is altogether different from those inferring that somehow "cheap" equates to "quality." "At least it doesn't here in the DC area, as well as most other urban areas in the US." > Isaac > > Of course I most often speak as a professional, not a "Joe." It is the insistence of Digital's supporters that small format digital somehow represents the same quality of digital taking and output of medium or large format digital that is most disingenuous. I am literally blown away by the digital work I see in visits to my "pro" lab. But sorry, the digital I ofttimes see is medium/large format. **Truthfully? Medium format digital shoots have the same disdain for 35mm or smaller digital that medium format film shooters have for 35mm film. I'm further blown away when I see what my lab can do with my 6x7 negs. Digitizing them, cleaning them up, printing them to specs impossible to achieve in the darkroom. But those instances of my film to digital to digital output are rare. I can do my own 24x30 prints. **My "framing in the camera" style means there's damn little I can't achieve over an easel. ***Thankfully I get my "props" from the work I do and my "style." Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
In a message dated 12/6/01 1:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, aimcompute wrote: > > > I think Mafud does have a point here. There's a difference between > > taking your digital camera into a department store and getting their > > run-of-the-mill prints back, and taking it to a pro-lab. Same with > > film. > > "True, but that wasn't what the post was about. Mafud had said earlier > that getting a lab to make prints from digital files was a lot more > expensive than from film." Let me clarify: I use real "pro" labs, not Walmart. Had the original statement mentioned Walmart anyplace or as the "source" lab, I would not have commented. "I asked him to name a lab that charged more for digital to see if he really > place that charged an insane amount more, and he avoided the question > completely by going into an irrelevant rant about Wal~Mart." Why would I answer the then and now pointless question in that we don't live in the same cities, so any prices I might give would be meaningless where you live? I live in a metro area of under 700,000 people. You might live in a larger or smaller metro. You might live in a metro with higer/lower wages, higher/lower retail rents, or a place where there are dozens of graphics/pro labs/printers or just a few. But you and others have been disingenuous by flatly asserting that a "lab" (even here we have differences about what a "lab" is) can or would print digitals as cheaply as film. Maybe Walmart can and does. *Though they are a retail giant whose sales (up 13% year to year since Thanksgiving), they sure as hoot aren't "labs," not in the sense a professional classifies "labs." **As a Walmart spouse, when I need regular film processing done, I sure as hoot don't go to Walmart. Nope, I go across the road to SAM"s Club. Interestingly, the same processing that would cost you and me $4.99 at Walmart will cost us only $2.99 at Sam's. When I learned the same firm processed both Walmart and Sam's, I choose to save money at Sam's. **Even with my 10% spousal discount, sometimes Walmart costs to darn much! > > accuses people of saying stuff that they didn't say. :)" Remember this: I'm under ~no~ obligation to answer pointed, "Do you still beat your wife" and other otherwise senseless, gratuitous questions. As to who said what: it's all mean spirited conversation or questions that as I have noted, don't deserve a direct answer. "> what lab > he had in mind because he probably just made that bit of info up on the > spot. :)" > chris > A minilab sitting in the middle of a Walmart is ~NOT~ a photo lab but a photo processor. Calling one of them a "lab" is a needless and meaningless gilding of the Lily. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rule 5
In a message dated 12/6/01 1:08:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Mafud wrote: > > > Cetainly you're not saying I can't vioce my opinion? > > > Actually, nothing personal I assure you, but this is what many of us are now > suggesting, at least with topics that fall under the purview of Doug's PDML > Rule Number 5 > Then you very well might have written me off-list, or is it, as it now seems to be, that I am being singled out for public chastisment? Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Using AF200T + AF400T on LX or AF400T + intern. flash of MZ5N
Hello, recently I picked up a AF400T flash with 4P Sync Cord B. I consider getting a 4P Sync Cord A as well but would first like to know whether it is possible to use the LX simultaneously with 1.) the AF200T flash mounted on the hot shoe of the FA-1 finder 2.) the AF400T flash, connected to the LX with via 4P Sync Cord A with both flashes in TTL mode. Has anybody tried this? Are the results OK? Also I would like to know, whether someone has tried to use the MZ5N/ZX5N or other cameras of the MZ/ZX series using 1.) internal flash for direct light and simultaneously 2.) AF400T flash for light bouncing off the ceiling, the flash being in TTL or auto mode, connected to the camera via 4P Sync Cord B (yes, the hot shoe adapter can be mounted with activated internal flash) Has anybody tried this? What are the results like? I look forward to your answers. Best wishes, Arnold - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
>My house is paid for, I have food on the table, my dogs love me >and I get laid on a regular basis. >I have no complaints. >William Robb That's exactly what I've been aspiring to for years! Can I come and visit? 8-] Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HOLY CRAP - eBay auction
Hi, how disappointing. I thought from the subject line that it was going to be an auction for something that priests sprinkle on the congregation, like holy water... --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "You don't stir the water before fishing" - Henri Cartier-Bresson Thursday, December 06, 2001, 3:41:58 AM, you wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1303216130 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Variable aperture zoom question (on topic shurely)
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: "I'll say this and no more: when you ~manually~ set the aperture, the "variable aperture" becomes a "preset" (by you) aperture. Nothing you do while zooming will (can) change the aperture until (you) change it to a different setting. **And it does not matter whether you set it wide open or close it down all the way. The aperture CANNOT (does not) change until you change it-period." Er... simply, **this** (is) ~wrong~ -period. Regards Jim Brooks - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT crap
No, dismiss it from this list. And Chris, you always make me laugh ... Norm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Folks are starting to take this > > stuff personally, and quite frankly, history is just.history. > > You dismiss what has happened to millions of people, the destruction of > entire civlizations in some cases as "just being history"? > Now I am ~afraid~ of you and your values. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Virius alert
I believe all of that. What touched a hot button was the implication that non-Linux users are somehow bringing this all on themselves by not using Linux. Len --- - Original Message - From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Virius alert > "Paris, Leonard" wrote: > > > > > If the Linux users think they are safe, they should ask all of those major > > *nix server operators if they have hacker problems. > > I feel computer security in the digital camera age is of ever increasing > importance. As the owner of computer stores here in Australia I have > watched our business grow ever more towards digital imaging as > customers request new scanners, what digital camera should I buy, > now our companies are selling cameras. > > Most often people are concerned about the security of their information. > When asked about antivirus programs I refer them to Norton product. > When asked about security I cannot stress enough the importance of > current updates, regardless of the platform. > > I seriously believe the more digital photography takes a hold, and if PENTAX > ever release a worthy digital 35mm that computer related issues will become > much more prominent on lists such as these. > > Kind regards > Kevin Waterson > Senior Systems Administrator > Oceania.net - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
how does a graduated filter work?
Hi, can anyone explain to me how a graduated filter works. I think that all light from all points in the scene go through the entire filter/lens so how can a graduated filter darken the sky relative to the (fore)ground. Frank - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: how does a graduated filter work?
On Thu 2001-12-06 (12:14), Frank Wajer wrote: > Hi, > > can anyone explain to me how a graduated filter works. I think that all > light from all points in the > scene go through the entire filter/lens so how can a graduated filter > darken the sky relative to the > (fore)ground. So, if you put your finger in front of the lens, it won't be visible? You got an interesting idea. Put in fact although light from all points is transmitted to all directions, what you catch in the lens is the selected part directly to you, as a projection to the film area. Otherwise all you could take is some kind of continous color/gray would be banned on the film. True that anything in front of the lens can't be in proper focus - but the projection of its shape/color will be on the film (more or less sharp). It's just one of the miracles ot optics, hard to understand hundreds of years ago and still not obvious :-) Martin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Dec PUG - William Robb, Cotty, Stan Halpin
William Robb wrote: "Thats a leaf As much as I like the idea of the Synchronicity theme for it's sense of community, I admit to shameless snapshooting when it comes to actually fullfilling the obligation of posting an image. In this case, I was taking the dogs out for their after supper constitutional, and decided that the ivy was going to have to suffice as a PUG subject. Something to think about, the context of this picture, it was taken near the time of the equinox, but more importantly, it was also taken when my dogs were having a dump. This is the photographic equivalent to what my dogs were doing. Perhaps I should have just followed my dogs around the yard. It would have been more honest. William Robb" Well, I liked it :-) Jim - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Jumbo Spotmatic
JCO lamented on the optical and build quality of the Takumars and feels that they reached their peak in 1971. He also noted that the build quality deteriorated as Pentax moved from the K through the M and A series. The Ms in particular were a dissapointment as they knocked the better Ks off the shelf. This was for economic and compactness reasons. The As, in some focal lengths improved somewhat optically, but the build quality did not. Pentax, with the Limited series, has proven that they can build high quality lenses to match the Takumars. It is sad to say that they are too late as they have given up their pro market potential to Cannon and Nikon. That being said, Mike, what other camera manufacturer enjoys the same level of interest on the internet as Pentak with AOHC, Boz's, Stan's and Yoshikiko's marvelous sites? Bob rapp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT crap
Thanks, Norm. Aside from frigtening people with my shocking values I also appear every Friday evening at Rascal's Comedy Club in West Orange, NJ. BW, Chris > No, dismiss it from this list. And Chris, you always make me laugh ... > Norm > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > You dismiss what has happened to millions of people, the destruction of > > entire civlizations in some cases as "just being history"? > > Now I am ~afraid~ of you and your values. -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Z-1 user manual
Richard, I haven't got a scanned copy of the manual. Pentax USA will send one and bill you $3 or $4. I can offer you a scan of the wallet card that came with my original PZ-1. Front>> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/PZ-1a.jpg Back>> http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/PZ-1b.jpg PZ-1p is a bit different. Regards, Bob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I just acquired a Z-1 from a fellow PDMLer. Having owned an ME Super, Super A, MZ-5 and MZ-M, I now realize that the Z-1 is a totally different beast, and I don't have much hope of "intuitively" figuring out how it works. Does anyone have a Z-1 manual in electronic format, or point me to one somewhere on the web? I assume that the different variants of the camera are similar, so I guess any variant of the camera's manual should be fine, too! >> - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
My work digital is 3.3 mp, but lately it usually gets used at the lowest resolution of 640x480. That's because of the nature of the desired final output. We want jpg files to email to the engineering office, or to a vendor, or sales. The native 640x480 jpg right from the camera is a suitable file size for web viewing, casual email, and prints (crummy but viewable) up to 5x7. And using the low resolution avoids any post processing. We just download the file from the camera then attach it to an email or print directly to the desktop color printer. But if I want a "good" photo, the process is more time consuming. Shoot at max resolution. Download from camera to computer. Choose the best images of the bunch. Crop and adjust in Photoshop. Make a copy at high resolution to print from. Make another copy at low resolution to send by email. Switch to photo glossy paper in the printer. Print - hopefully the color management on the computer is close enough so the first print is good. Otherwise, back to Photoshop to adjust then print again. And remember to switch back to regular paper so the next person using that printer will have the normal paper in the tray. Getting one or two good 8x10's from digital is fairly time consuming, But it's not nearly as time consuming as sending someone to the one-hour photo and trying to get a couple of well-balanced 8x10's while-you-wait. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Jumbo Spotmatic
I don't have any old screwmount stuff, but I do have and older Tak 105 6x7 and the new 45 6x7. While there is a big difference in build quality, I'm not sure the trade off is so bad re: weight factor... Norm Bob Rapp wrote: > JCO lamented on the optical and build quality of the Takumars and feels that > they reached their peak in 1971. He also noted that the build quality > deteriorated as Pentax moved from the K through the M and A series. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: how does a graduated filter work?
Frank Wajer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi, > >can anyone explain to me how a graduated filter works. I think that all >light from all points in the >scene go through the entire filter/lens so how can a graduated filter >darken the sky relative to the >(fore)ground. The distance between the filter and the optical center of the lens (which is behind the front element) does the trick. If you use an extreme wide-angle lens at small aperture you get a pretty sharp clear -> coloured transition. Question: What filter type do you (plan to) use? -- http://members.chello.nl/~j.schoone\\|// Registered Linux user #78364 - The Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org Assume nothing, expect anything. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
ZX-5 For Sale
I have a ZX-5 that I need to sell. It is in like new cosmetic shape, and works the same. The exception being that the RTF flash does NOT work. The hotshoe works fine however. The first $175.00 gets it. I accept PayPal, money orders, or cashiers checks. Please reply OFF-LIST if interested to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! Later, Gary - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HOLY CRAP - eBay auction
Nice outfit. But it's just not a Pentax. :) Perhaps it's another collection for JC to get into? The 'Flex would sure be nice. They're fun to use. > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1303216130 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
View Areas
I took my new-to-me MX & ZX-M both out last night while Steven was giving a holiday concert in his HS band. The brightness wasn't much different. I think that's compensated for by the compression done on the ZX-M size. The field of view in the finder was the most noticable difference. There's so much unseen in the ZX-M. I really like the bit of compression to add brightness on the ZX-M. Works well with my glasses taking my eye further away from the finder. I just wish it were compressed a tiny bit more to provide a larger area view. BTW, anyone got a free (available/forsale, that is) SG-1 (grid) screen? Collin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
Do we all need to take our Pentaxadril? Okay, Mafud made a comment about how expensive digital prints are to make. This was in error. All our resident lab technicians have jumped all over him repeatedly and made sure the rest of us know he's wrong. Is it really necessary to continue to taunt him about it? Let's let it go, huh? You guys are like snapping dogs around a wounded bear. And Mafud, you're *never* going to win an argument that digital is less convenient than film, so maybe you'd better not go there any more! And now back to the facts. I went into my local camera store and had them stick my SmartMedia card into their machine. It cost me $2.50 to have a very nice 5x7 dye-sub print made on the spot. It took about 5 minutes, mainly because the salesman who helped me wasn't very familiar with the machine's controls. The print is pleasant to the point of seductive...makes me want a dye-sub printer like the Olympus 400...<*sigh*> --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: "Neutral" countries (was: Re: December PUG)
Are not the Palestinian terrorists. with Arafat's tacic blessing, killing innocents? Carlos Royo wrote: > The Israeli government don't deserve any support because they > are killing innocents, like they have been doing for decades. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers & Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 11:36 PM, Chris Brogden wrote: > > You still haven't answered the question, Mafud. Since several of us > have > already mentioned a variety of labs--both pro and non-pro--that charge > the > same for digital and chemical prints, I'm curious as to which lab has > that > outrageous discrepancy between the two prices where you live. Can you > actually name a lab like that, or will you actually admit to just making > it up? By the way, just a clairification, since this seems to be causing some confusion: The pro labs do not charge the same as Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart's price does not change if the print is from a neg or from a file, in other words, an 8x10 always costs the same, regardless of media. The two pro lab's prices do not change either, regardless of media. The pro lab's price is undoubtably higher than the Wal-Mart price. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The New French Anti-Photography Law - Change to OT title Please!
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 10:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > There was nothing political in my comment, at least not until you made > it so. > Cetainly you're not saying I can't vioce my opinion? No, he's asking that when the subject has changed to something OT that the subject line (in this case "The New French Anti-Photography Law") be changed to reflect that, and have OT added to it, so that his off-topic filter can filter it out. This is not a request specifically of you, but of everyone participating in the thread. There is no fight here, Mafud. His frustrated tone is the result of asking repeatedly. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: HOLY CRAP - eBay auction
The all-too-infrequently-posting Bob Walkden wrote: > how disappointing. I thought from the subject line that it was > going to be an auction for something that priests sprinkle on the > congregation, like holy water... Curious, but my reaction to that auction was that I really have no interest--it's not a fantasy for me to own equipment like that, despite my often intemperate and indisciplined fetishism over cameras. My main interest is in pictures, and any camera that really ought not be used holds little appeal to me. I'm sure it's a nice collection, and it costs half the price of my house anyway, but I was disappointed too --Mike P.S. My favorite recent eBay auction was for a slice of American cheese that allegedly had the Virgin Mary's image in the whorls left over from the manufacturing process. It sold for nearly three dollars, plus shipping. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Free Kodak Elitechrome Extra- Color
On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 10:58 PM, William Johnson wrote: > > I finally did find one small corner shop that had it.but, they > wouldn't take the coupon because they don't buy the film from Kodak and > can't get reimbursed. > I understand that. Once we accepted prepaid processing coupons on Kodak slide film that simply instructed us to collect the coupon, give the customer the processing, and send the coupon to Kodak. We accepted a couple of dozen of them, sent them to Kodak...and then Kodak made us jump through a bunch of hoops to make sure we were a genuine lab (which was understandable, but a simple call to one of our suppliers would have been enough -- they wanted banking information, among other things), and then told us they only accepted the coupons in batches of 200, and that they would not be returning the coupons to us. Oh, and that the coupon program had been discontinued, so we wouldn't likely see any more, so the coupons were worthless to us anyways. Actually, they weren't -- we would have made a deal with a bigger lab that we dealt with, and traded them the coupons for processing credit with them (and they would have had 200 coupons). But Kodak refused to send them back. I couldn't really say to the customer "Hey, now you have to pay for these...but you can't have your prepaid coupons back to use elsewhere", so I ended up paying the bill myself. You see why a dealer would be wary of a Kodak coupon. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 12:48 AM, aimcompute wrote: > I think Mafud does have a point here. There's a difference between > taking > your digital camera into a department store and getting their > run-of-the-mill prints back, and taking it to a pro-lab. Same with > film. > > I haven't priced this... but I would guess there is a price > difference, a > quality difference, and a capability difference. > > I don't take my regular film to a Wal-Mart (no offense Bill). If it's > family snapshots, yes I do. I usually shoot transparency, so I take it > to > the best "pro" lab in town I know of, Media Specialties. > Mafud was arguing that there is an "outrageous" price discrepancy between printing from digital vs. printing from negs, making it unsuitable for granny. In response, we listed two pro labs and Wal-Mart as pricing their digital and chemical the same -- not the same as each other, mind you. I truly doubt that Wal-Mart charges as much as I do for a chemical print. Just that Wal-Mart charges one price, regardless of media, and that the pro labs listed also charge one price regardless of media. No one on this list (aside from Mafud) ever said that Wal-Mart was a pro lab, or that Wal-Mart's prices were comparable to those of a pro lab. Mafud has, however, six times now evaded the question of pricing at his lab of choice (though he took great pains to explain how expensive they are). We can only be forced to assume that he was making it up, and that there is, in fact, not a great price discrepancy between chemical and digital prints there. How are the prices at Media Specialties when you compare digital to chemical? -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 01:13 AM, William Robb wrote: > In the work place, one of the things one needs > to realize is the limitations placed on him or her by his > employer. Wal~Mart is not interested in being a "pro" lab, the > same way they are not interested in selling Armani suits. > We are what we are, if that isn't what you want. go elsewhere. My favourite snappy answer from an employee of mine: CUSTOMER: I can get that cheaper at Wal-Mart. EMPLOYEE: So why are you here? The piece of work in question was an estimate on restoration, which, by the way, was a mere $40 including the print, the lowest price we ever quote for restoration. The customer agreed to the price in the end, and then groused about it again when it came time to pick up the work. I asked her to confirm that it was her signature beside the estimate, and she said "yes", so I promptly rung it into the till. Sometimes I feel like murdering people. :) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax
Sorry for this OT post, but I really like Pentax cameras, lenses, etc, and have taken some great pix over the years with them. I wonder if anyone else shares my pov. Kind regards from sunny Brighton Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Virius alert
On Thursday, December 6, 2001, at 05:59 AM, Len Paris wrote: > I believe all of that. What touched a hot button was the > implication that non-Linux users are somehow bringing this all > on themselves by not using Linux. One reason that I'm perfectly happy that Apple continues to have profitable years on a small market segment is the very small number of MacOS viruses. I hold no illusions that the MacOS is virus-proof, it's just not worth writing for if you want maximum penetration...and that's fine by me. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Happy Birthday Alfred Eisenstaedy! OT
It's the birthday of photojournalist Alfred Eisenstaedt, born in Dirschau, Prussia (1898). When Eisenstaedt was 14, his uncle gave him an Eastman Kodak Number Three Folding Camera, and he began taking pictures. He photographed many famous artists and statesman and, in 1933, was sent to shoot the first meeting of Hitler and Mussolini. Two years later, Eisenstaedt fled Germany for America. In New York he was hired, along with three other photographers, by Henry Luce for something Luce called "Project X." On November 23, 1936, Project X debuted as Life magazine, featuring five pages of Eisenstaedt's pictures. It was after WWII that Eisenstaedt captured his most famous image, a sailor kissing a nurse on V-J Day in Times Square. This is from The Writer's Almanac: http://almanac.mpr.org/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: December PUG
Spielberg's "1941" with John Beluchi among others. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christian Skofteland Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: December PUG Wasn't there a movie about the Santa Monica pier shelling incident? ;-) Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Kent Gittings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And there is no record in the Japanese archives of much activity off the U. > S. coast by their subs except for the famous incident of shelling the Santa > Monica Pier area. . > Kent Gittings - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
> The piece of work in question was an estimate on restoration, which, by > the way, was a mere $40 including the print, the lowest price we ever > quote for restoration. The customer agreed to the price in the end, and > then groused about it again when it came time to pick up the work. I > asked her to confirm that it was her signature beside the estimate, and > she said "yes", so I promptly rung it into the till. > > Sometimes I feel like murdering people. :) > > -Aaron I know the feeling well. Like the customer I recently had who, on examining her "next day" prints, culled three or four perfectly good (well, average minilab prints) and stated she didn't know why she took them and didn't want to pay for them at 22 cents per print. Or those that examine their 3 day prints, which cost a measly $4.00 for processing and printing, even 36 exp rolls, and want a credit for those which they don't like. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Happy Birthday Alfred Eisenstaedy! OT
OT? At least it is about photography - hopefully that is what Pentax itself is about. Have you had the pleasure of reading The Eye of Eisenstaedt? It has some fascinatiing information about how/why he made some of his favorite images. Regards, Ed M. In a message dated 12/6/2001 9:09:01 AM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > It's the birthday of photojournalist Alfred Eisenstaedt, born in > Dirschau, > Prussia (1898). When Eisenstaedt was 14, his uncle gave him an Eastman > Kodak Number Three Folding Camera, and he began taking pictures. He > photographed many famous artists and statesman and, in 1933, was sent > to shoot the first meeting of Hitler and Mussolini. Two years later, > Eisenstaedt fled Germany for America. In New York he was hired, along > with three other photographers, by Henry Luce for something Luce called > > "Project X." On November 23, 1936, Project X debuted as Life magazine, > featuring five pages of Eisenstaedt's pictures. It was after WWII that > Eisenstaedt captured his most famous image, a sailor kissing a nurse on > > V-J Day in Times Square. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
> Sorry for this OT post, but I really like Pentax cameras, lenses, etc, > and have taken some great pix over the years with them. I wonder if > anyone else shares my pov. You know, Peter, that if anyone came across this post from you, and then looked at a lot of the other threads recently and currently running here, and then if they didn't also happen to notice that this is ~SUPPOSED~ to be the ~PENTAX~ Discussion Mailing List, then he/she might think that it was ~your~ message that was "off topic" - . But I digress... (By the way, Peter, how did you resist making the subject line "OT: Pentax"? - ) Well, I guess it's time to revisit the email filters again. Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes! > In a message dated 12/6/01 8:24:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Okay, Mafud made a comment about how expensive digital prints are to make. > > This was in error. > > Not a true representation of what has transpired at all. > Some disingenuous PDML members, proposing that such an event can happen where > ~they~ live, kept the harangue going, I merely responded. Turns out that what > I know as a "lab" is not what they (any of them) think of as a "lab." What I > meant by "lab" was a "pro lab" as opposed to what they meant, one of them > equating his Walmart to my "pro lab." > It appears I was correct in my assertions. No way would a "pro lab" (any) do > digital for the same price as film. Wrong again. Our custom lab does all of their prints from slides digitally (on a Lightjet 5000), and they are virtually (within a couple of bucks) the same price as their Ilfochrome service. It is actually less expensive printing directly from a digital file because there is no scanning required. Perhaps your lab is not like this right now, but they will be, or else they will disappear. I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that "No way would a "pro lab" (any) do digital for the price of film." How's this, why would digital be more expensive? There is far less time involved, fewer redos (if any at all), and potentially a much more streamlined workflow at the lab. If any lab was "substantially" higher, I'd question their pricing, and probably go to another lab. > > ". All our resident lab technicians have jumped all over him repeatedly and > made sure the rest of us know he's wrong." > > As we now know, your "resident lab technicians" are either mini(lab) > technicians or they were referring to any place that develops film, ~not a > "pro lab," as labs are generally known by professional photographers. Since > I'm a (retired) professional with 37 years in the craft, my definition is far > more suitable to the topic than theirs. If you remember correctly, and you don't, you were initially railing against digital photography because it cost so much to get prints done. Well, it always costs to have stuff printed at a custom lab. But just like in film, there are always alternatives, and for the vast majority of people out there, these minilabs fit the bill. BTW, do you ever get 4x6 prints done at your "pro lab"? Guess what kind of machines they use to print them... > **No way does an in-store Walmart minilab equate to "lab" in my professional > terminology. Just like your rather loose definition of civilian huh? > > "Is it really necessary to continue to taunt him about it? Let's let it go, > huh? You guys are like snapping dogs around a wounded bear." > As soon as he stops announcing that his experience trumps all other actual realities, we'll stop. > Hey Mike. You should have gone to...Walmart and done it yourself on their > little do-it-yourself machine! You could have made yourself some beautiful > wallet sized, 8 x 10 or any size you want and in far less time. ~That's~ > what Walmarts are for. Often times, an image will not require fancy printing, and even basic equipment can give very satisfactory results, why go to a pro lab unless the image requires it? Isaac > > Mafud > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photofinishing
I'm always a little wary taking negative film down to the drugstore and having a 19 year old girl do the processing while talking to her boyfriend on the cell phone. Your point is very well made. It's not where, it's who. Month's back I suggested we ALL mail our film to William Robb's Wal-mart as a joke. Can you see the volume he would get? Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Isaac Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:27 AM Subject: Photofinishing > There has been some disparaging words here about "cheap" photofinishing vs > a "pro" lab, and I'd just like to put in my two cents... I work at a place > that prices itself between places like Walmart and the various custom labs > around here. While its true that in general we produce with more consistancy > than places like Walmart and Eckerd's, that isn't always the rule. What I have > found to be the key issue is wheather the people running the lab care about > what they are doing moreso than where they are. I always tell my customers > that photofinishers are like hairstylists (or barbars) in that if you find > someone that does a good job, stick with them. If William Robb's Walmart was > near me, I'd be sorely tempted to get my 4x6's done there because it's obvious > that he cares, and he's got a killer price. That's an amazing combo, but > unfortuenetly, it's all too rare. Most of the time, I get what I pay for. Most > places use similar (in capabilities) machines, even the "pro" labs for 4x6's. > The difference comes down to who is using and maintaining them... > > Isaac > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
from me too... Can we forget the analysis and just drop this one? Come to think of it can we not have an agreement whereby if any post is getting offensive or irritating we recognize this and simply stop replying to it? Oops I just violated that one already! > -Original Message- > From: Norman Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 December 2001 15:21 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes! > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The New French Anti-Photography Law - Change to OT title Please!
In a message dated 12/6/01 8:43:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > There is no fight here, Mafud. His frustrated tone is the result of > asking repeatedly. > > -Aaron > I don't use "filters." I peruse the topic when it is first posted. If it interests me, I may (or may not) join in, but do keep an eye on it. Further posting on that topic, once I have determined it does ~not~ interest me, I delete every instance of said post/topic. I watch many OT posts in that one can always glean something useful from them. Once they segue from the point of interest, I abandon them. Thus, I cannot understand why any post must be "labeled." Don't like it? Ignore it. It's that easy. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Variable aperture zoom question
I believe that when using Pentax cameras that allow you to set the aperture at the camera body, such as PZ-1P or ZX-7 and leaving the lens set at "A", the aperture will remain fixed as you zoom the variable aperture lens. Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Rechargeable 2CR5 battery
Does anyone know if a rechargeable 2CR5 battery is available for the PZ-1P? Nikon's digital camera model 880 and 885 uses a 2CR5 battery or a rechargeable battery. Does anyone know if that rechargeable battery fits and is safe to use with the PZ-1P? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax
What features in particular would you like to lose from the MZ-S, and why? Presumably what you mean is 'the build of MZ-S but for less money'? > -Original Message- > From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 December 2001 15:38 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Pentax > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Pentax > > > > Sorry for this OT post, but I really like Pentax cameras, > lenses, etc, and > > have taken some great pix over the years with them. I wonder > if anyone else > > shares my pov. > > I am not so hot on the recent camera bodies, I detested the PZ > series, but I do quite like the numbered MZ series. The build > quality leaves a bit to be desired. They are not especially > rugged. I do wish they would put a camera out there with the > build of the MZ-S but with a feature set more like the MZ-3. > For me, Pentax has always been about the lenses anyway. I have > one K series lens, and wish I had a few more. The one I have is > wonderful. The few M lenses I own have some nice > characteristics. Even the maligned 28mm f2.8 is not a bad lens. > It is just not as good as the other 28s that Pentax has made. I > have made a couple of fine pictures with mine. > The A series lenses are optically very nice, but the build > quality is spotty. Some are much better than others. > With the LTD series, I think Pentax has hit it's stride again. > These lenses are absolutely the best they can be. > Now, give me a camera body to match, and I am happy. > The rumoured LX replacement sounds just like what I am hoping > for. > William Robb > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
ME - I love my FA 35/2 and my ZX-5n. http://dscott.home.texas.net/photo/family_and_friends/EvanandJack.jpg And I lust for the FA 135/2.8 ... and the FA 24/2 ... FA 43/1.9 ... and the FA 200/2.8. Currently trying to figure out what I'm saving my pennies for next. Kind regards from hazy San Antonio, Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sorry for this OT post, but I really like Pentax cameras, lenses, etc, and >have taken some great pix over the years with them. I wonder if anyone else >shares my pov. > >Kind regards from sunny Brighton > >Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rechargeable 2CR5 battery
On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Richard Chu wrote: > Does anyone know if a rechargeable 2CR5 battery is available for the > PZ-1P? Nikon's digital camera model 880 and 885 uses a 2CR5 battery > or a rechargeable battery. Does anyone know if that rechargeable > battery fits and is safe to use with the PZ-1P? Nope, those batteries don't work because they're too large. The 2CR5 battery is smaller than the battery compartment on the 775, 880 and 885. And AFAIK there is no rechargeable battery for the Z-1p. Sorry. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Not a true representation of what has transpired at all. Some > disingenuous PDML members, proposing that such an event can happen > where ~they~ live, kept the harangue going, I merely responded. Turns > out that what I know as a "lab" is not what they (any of them) think > of as a "lab." What I meant by "lab" was a "pro lab" as opposed to > what they meant, one of them equating his Walmart to my "pro lab." Seems that it's time for some new glasses, Mafud. Bill mentioned Wal~Mart, but Isaac, Aaron and myself gave specific examples of pro and semi-pro labs that charge the same for chemical prints as they do for film. You know, if you could read and acted a little less senile, this could be an interesting discussion. As it is, you're totally shutting yourself off from learning anything new. And to think that all this started because you made a generalized statement that you can't back up. Har! > It appears I was correct in my assertions. No way would a "pro lab" (any) do > digital for the same price as film. Wrong-o, blind boy. > As we now know, your "resident lab technicians" are either mini(lab) > technicians or they were referring to any place that develops film, ~not a > "pro lab," as labs are generally known by professional photographers. Let's hope Aaron doesn't sue you for defamation here, Suda. > As for my being "wounded:" ~NOT!~ I'd say rigor mortis has set in, actually. :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:45 AM Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers > In a message dated 12/4/01 10:42:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > I agree 1000%. Until I can do everything with digital I can with > > > film, until I can take digital media into a good lab and get great > > > results, I am not inclined to invest any further in it. Let's see... > > > I can spend my time messing wth software and printers, or I can let > > > someone else do that part while I'm out pressing the shutter release. > > > > "Valid points, but you *can* do this with good labs." > > Yes, but the expense is outrageously unreasonable for just a few prints. > > > always argue that the price of printers, paper and ink > > need to be factored into comparing digital and film cameras?" > > Precisely because you don't need the above to see prints. You don't even need > a computer: go to the drugstore-etc., open package and look. And why do > digital advocates always assume that "Granny" has a computer or some other > means to see their ofttimes shabby product? See Mafud? This is what we are talking about, prints for "Granny". Do you think Joe Sixpack goes to the local pro lab to get these done? Go to a Wla-Mart, get your prints from digital media (at the same price as film) and then send them to Granny. > > > good minilab into the purchase of your film > > camera?" > > That's a Shibboleth. > > "If you don't want to print them yourself, take the files to a good lab and > let them do > > it...just like film. Don's Photo, for example, charges the same for prints > > from digital files as from film. This isn't a rant against you, Tom, but > > against those people who criticize digital cameras because of problems with > > home printing." > > Another good reason to shoot film: ~you~ only need a camera and eyes to shoot > and Granny only need eyes to view them, the way it's been for more than a > one-hundred years. > > What did ~you~ do before you had a digital? In that regard, the "digital is > equal to or better than film" argument falls squarely on its expensive face. > Those who argue the convenience of small format digital, without considering > the cost to an individual, disregard one fundamental fact: small format > digital owners pay, in terms of replacing or upgrading equipment, ink-etc., > huge sums of money to get what are essentially dinky home printed images. > Small format digital printing is expensive and for the most part, SUX. I really wish you'd preface these sorts of comments with, "In my experience". That way, when we say that things have changed, you could just say that you haven't seen it yet, instead of trying to prove us wrong. The facts of the matter are that for my customers that shoot a couple of rolls a week, a $399 digital camera is saving them lots of money, and they haven't noticed a drop off in quality for their 4x6 prints. Many do not do any printing at all at home, we do it all for them. Cost of printing and ease of printing are not (at least here) arguments against using digital cameras for "regular" snapshooters... Isaac - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
In a message dated 12/6/01 8:48:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Mafud has, however, six times now evaded the question of pricing at his > lab of choice (though he took great pains to explain how expensive they > are). We can only be forced to assume that he was making it up, and > that there is, in fact, not a great price discrepancy between chemical > and digital prints there." > We don't live in the same town or even same region of the country, making comparisons of pro lab, maybe even Walmart "lab" prices, utterly meaningless. > "How are the prices at Media Specialties when you compare digital to > chemical?" If that is a question for me, I'm pleased at how elegantly you make my point. We don't ~have~ a "Media Specialties" where I live. How then could you (we) possibly compare "Media Specialties" prices with (any) pro lab I might name where ~I~ live? I see the trap: you pick a dinky, low priced so-called "pro" lab and I pick the "pro" lab I most often use. We then "compare" prices. You win. **But we could, using a disinterested intermediary, send our most frequented lab's catalog (your lab does have a catalog, yes?) to them. Let ~them~ make the comparison. Remember this: you're not my appointed inquisitor, nor instructor, nor, heavens forbid, boss, thus your question(s) are as meaningless as they are superfluous, as would be any comparison between pro lab prices. I, nor anyone, am not obligated to answer what more than likely would be, in the end, a rhetorical question. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
In a message dated 12/6/01 9:20:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > . Or those that examine their 3 day > prints, which cost a measly $4.00 for processing and printing, even 36 exp > rolls, and want a credit for those which they don't like. > > Bill, KG4LOV > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > They've been spoiled by Walmart and SAM'S. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photofinishing
- Original Message - From: aimcompute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Photofinishing > I'm always a little wary taking negative film down to the drugstore and > having a 19 year old girl do the processing while talking to her boyfriend > on the cell phone. Oh yeah... And they have their Coke right next to the machine and they're popping bubbles with their gum as they print... I walk right out of those places! Isaac > > Your point is very well made. It's not where, it's who. Month's back I > suggested we ALL mail our film to William Robb's Wal-mart as a joke. Can > you see the volume he would get? > > Tom C. > > - Original Message - > From: "Isaac Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:27 AM > Subject: Photofinishing > > > > There has been some disparaging words here about "cheap" > photofinishing vs > > a "pro" lab, and I'd just like to put in my two cents... I work at a place > > that prices itself between places like Walmart and the various custom labs > > around here. While its true that in general we produce with more > consistancy > > than places like Walmart and Eckerd's, that isn't always the rule. What I > have > > found to be the key issue is wheather the people running the lab care > about > > what they are doing moreso than where they are. I always tell my customers > > that photofinishers are like hairstylists (or barbars) in that if you find > > someone that does a good job, stick with them. If William Robb's Walmart > was > > near me, I'd be sorely tempted to get my 4x6's done there because it's > obvious > > that he cares, and he's got a killer price. That's an amazing combo, but > > unfortuenetly, it's all too rare. Most of the time, I get what I pay for. > Most > > places use similar (in capabilities) machines, even the "pro" labs for > 4x6's. > > The difference comes down to who is using and maintaining them... > > > > Isaac > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photofinishing
- Original Message - From: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Photofinishing > I'm always a little wary taking negative film down to the drugstore and > having a 19 year old girl do the processing while talking to her boyfriend > on the cell phone. The thing is, any lab, no matter how good can dissapoint. We do excellent proofing from 35mm, so,so from APS and our 110 is pretty spotty. We have limited ability to do cropping on 35mm. However, the nature of our position in the marketplace is that we don't do much else. Fortunately, there are a few very good custom labs in town that I can send people to when something is out of our league. The pro lab I used to work front end for was staffed by nincompoops. The E-6 line was good, but nothing else coming out of the lab was worthy of the name "pro". The attitude was "so, where else are they going to go, we are the only game in town". They closed shortly after Don's Photo opened. It is still a people driven business. If the lab has good people who care, they will turn out a good product, within the limitations of the equipment. If the lab has people who don't care, the lab will turn out crap, no matter what they have in the back for production. My experience has been that the difference between an amateur lab and a pro one is potential capabilities more than realized ones. Isaac's comments, quoted below are right on target. William Robb > > Tom C. > > - Original Message - > From: "Isaac Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:27 AM > Subject: Photofinishing > > > > There has been some disparaging words here about "cheap" > photofinishing vs > > a "pro" lab, and I'd just like to put in my two cents... I work at a place > > that prices itself between places like Walmart and the various custom labs > > around here. While its true that in general we produce with more > consistancy > > than places like Walmart and Eckerd's, that isn't always the rule. What I > have > > found to be the key issue is wheather the people running the lab care > about > > what they are doing moreso than where they are. I always tell my customers > > that photofinishers are like hairstylists (or barbars) in that if you find > > someone that does a good job, stick with them. If William Robb's Walmart > was > > near me, I'd be sorely tempted to get my 4x6's done there because it's > obvious > > that he cares, and he's got a killer price. That's an amazing combo, but > > unfortuenetly, it's all too rare. Most of the time, I get what I pay for. > Most > > places use similar (in capabilities) machines, even the "pro" labs for > 4x6's. > > The difference comes down to who is using and maintaining them... > > > > Isaac - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: "Neutral" countries (was: Re: December PUG)
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: Re: OT: "Neutral" countries (was: Re: December PUG) > In a message dated 12/6/01 8:26:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Are not the Palestinian terrorists. with Arafat's tacic blessing, killing > > innocents?" > > Yes. But Israel retaliates not in kind, but by overreacting. > A Palestinian blows up a bus, Israel blows up a village. > Hardly fair. And not very likely to stop the Palestinians. The thing that really kills me is that this "policy" has not worked at all. There are more bombings, and there are more reprisials. At some point, somebody will have to try a different approach. How long will it take all parties involved to admit that they aren't interested in peace, they're interested in getting even? Isaac > Of course we shouldn't talk about terrorism without mentioning Northern > Ireland... or Bosnia, or former USSR provinces, can we? > > > > > > Carlos Royo wrote: > > > > > The Israeli government don't deserve any support because they > > > are killing innocents, like they have been doing for decades. > > > > -- > > Daniel J. Matyola > > > > > Mafud > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?
We haven't a good equipment argument make the rounds for awhile. My question, if you had to limit yourself to two (2) Pentax _primes_ and one (1) Pentax teleconverter, which ones and why? (i.e. how would that combo support your style of photography better than some other combo?) Anyone game? Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Minolta info
Everybody has good and bad or good and mediocre lenses. If you are interested in pro level lenses all the G and HS G series are very good. Some like the 17-35/3.5 G are way too expensive (costs as much as the way overpriced Pentax FA 400/5.6) especially when you can get the Sigma 17-35/2.8-4 for about 1/3rd the price and close to the same performance. Minolta has 2 great consumer zooms, the 100-300/4.5-5.6 APO and the newer 100-400/4.5-6.7 APO. The latter has almost the performance of the frightfully expensive Canon 100-400/4.5-5.6 IS at 1/4th the price. Both equal the excellent Tokina ATX II 100-300/4 in performance at a more compact size. In long range lenses the 600/4 HS G is superb as it the 300/2.8 and 200/2.8 HS G lenses. The one size they make that nobody else does is the 400/4.5 HS G. This is sort of a cult lens in that it can be bought new for less than $2k, has a focus limiter switch so you can prevent AF hunting and it is probably the sharpest long prime wide open that can be bought today from any maker. It is slightly sharper at F4.5 than at any other setting and it has a Photodo rating of 4.0 which is the best of any lens 400mm or longer that I know of. Their 80-200/2.8 is rated much higher than the Pentax in MTF scores and the people who use it like it (as do the people who use the Pentax). I opted for the Sigma 70-200/2.8 EX instead. Both have the same Photodo rating of 3.9 but the Minolta is sharper at the low end for PJ and portrait work while the Sigma is slightly sharper at 180mm and up where I do most of my work. I think if your friend tried a Maxxum 7 he would most likely buy it. One of the advantages of Minolta is that all the 3rd party lenses available are always available in this mount because like Pentax their lens lineup is not as big as Canon or Nikon so buyers tend to shop the non branded lenses more than the other 2. Plus since Minolta makes more semi-pro and pro bodies than Pentax the 3rd party makers always keep their pro lenses in their lineups in MAF mount because they often have a distinct price/performance ratio advantage over the factory ones. I personally like the Maxxum 9 because it is sort of a retro and at the same time high tech body. Like an AF LX or Super A/Program body with dials you can turn instead of having to scroll through some LED panel options. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Minolta info Thanks for the info, Kent. My friend's main concern is the lenses quality. What do you think about them? How they compare to Pentax and Nikon? Regards and thanks Albano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
- Original Message - From: "Rob Brigham" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: RE: Pentax > What features in particular would you like to lose from the MZ-S, and > why? > > Presumably what you mean is 'the build of MZ-S but for less money'? I spent about an hour looking at an MZ-S, and came away less than impressed in may respects. What I liked was the obvious build quality. What I didn't like was the user interface, though I just don't recall exactly why. It just had too much stuff on it for me. I know it is controllable, in that needed functions can be left on, unneeded ones turned off and all, but I recall there were just too many buttons on it. What I would like to see is a camera with an MZ-3ish feature set and control layout, with MZ-S build quality. It could even cost like the MZ-S. I am not adverse to paying extra for quality. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New Pentax digital SLR
I agree completely. Smaller chip size is often preferable because the same aspect ratio can be done with a smaller lighter lens. Whether anybody settles on 1.3x or 1.6x remains to be seen. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Johnston Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax digital SLR And, now, Pal, here we are totally DISagreeing. Pal wrote: > Although, I have some sympathy with those who want faster Pentax equipment > introductions, I fail to see the sense in wanting an utterly out of date > digital slr. Firstly, its generally assumed industrywise that the small > size chips are a dead end. Full frame chip is the way of the future. The only effort to standardize chip size that I'm aware of is being led by Kodak, who are urging adoption of a 4/3rds-inch chip size. Small chip sizes, far from being a dead end, will are what will be used in consumer cameras. The market for these will be vast--actually, already is--and hardly a dead end. > Secondly, the D30 (is it really successful?) will be laughed out of the > market within a year or simply given away. It's like buying a 286 computer > at an absurd price. Yes, it has certainly been successful, and I just think your assessment of it here is utterly wrong. We simply disagree, which is no problem, but I disagree completely. > Frankly, we are now in the very early days of digital cameras. I would > personally stay away from the first generation digital slr's unless you > need it in your work. Pal, we are far, far past the first generation. These may be early days but they are certainly not VERY early days. > The market is extremely small It is?!?!? The camera makers who are putting entire development budgets into cameras that will have 2-3 year production lifespans would be interested to hear this. In fact, the market is wide open, growing by leaps and bounds, and very likely to dominate in the not very distant future. > If you want a D30, by all means go ahead. Personally I would be grossly > disappointed if Pentax release anything remotely like the D30. I cannot disagree more. The D30 is all the camera that most digital photographers are EVER likely to need. If Pentax could duplicate its quality for 1/2 to 2/3rds the price and make use of K-mount lenses it would have a sure winner on its hands in no time. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
"K MOUNT" question
Are there any current manufacturers licensed to produce K-mount camera? I ask because I am wonder once 24x36cm CCDs become common place, is there a 3rd party (Phoenix) who could put out a body we could buy if the P_Gods haven't shown us the way? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
That kid has got the coolest name ever! Evan From: "Dan Scott" wrote: > ME - I love my FA 35/2 and my ZX-5n. > > http://dscott.home.texas.net/photo/family_and_friends/EvanandJack.jpg > > And I lust for the FA 135/2.8 ... and the FA 24/2 ... FA 43/1.9 ... and the > FA 200/2.8. > > Currently trying to figure out what I'm saving my pennies for next. > > Kind regards from hazy San Antonio, > > Dan Scott - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Variable aperture zoom question
If it did there would be no real need for the aperture ring because it
wouldn't be accurate at all. From experience this only happens at the
wide-open setting due to the movement of the focusing group in the barrel.
When stopped down one stop it no longer varies the amount of light because
this was caused by the angle of the focusing group as it approached the
front of the lens and changed its subtended angle in relation to the front
of the lens opening. Once the diaphragm is stopped down its travel doesn't
change its relationship to the aperture opening caused by this so it no
longer varies.
Kent Gittings
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Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Variable aperture zoom question
At 03:36 PM 12/5/01 EST, Mafud wrote:
>In a message dated 12/5/01 12:03:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> "The replies to my original query seem to agree with what I was told -
that a
>> variable aperture zoom lens will vary the amount of light admitted as you
>> zoom in and out, no matter what I set the aperture ring to."
>>
>Not true. The variable aperture function happens only with PK/A lens in the
>"A" position. Your question specifically stated: "when ~I~ set the
aperture".
>**Otherwise, you could not choose your apertures for lighting or depth of
>field.
>
That's precisely the point - that because the zoom lens is variable
aperture, I cannot be guaranteed that the amount of light admitted through
the lens will be constant over the zoom range of the lens.
I *thought* this phenomena applied to variable aperture zooms only when set
wide open. I'm trying to determine if this applies to *all* aperture
settings of the lens.
Depth of field is *usually* desired in relative amounts ("more depth of
field" or "less depth of field" than it is in absolute amounts ("I want 3.5m
of acceptable focus") so having an effective aperture change of about 1 stop
probably won't screw up your desired depth of field. But it will mess up
your exposures.
>Remember: other than setting depth of field, the aperture has little to do
>with flash photography (assuming you lights/strobes are capable of
producing
>f/22 [f/32 for medium, f/45 for large format] lighting).
>
Aperture has everything to do with flash photography. I cannot adjust the
shutterspeed more than 1 stop. Too slow and I get camera shake, too fast and
it won't sync with the flashes. 1/60th, or 1/100th are my choices (on a
ZX-7).
Adjusting studio strobes can be tricky - sometimes your strobes only adjust
1 stop up or down, sometimes you can adjust in .1 stop increments. Sometimes
you cannot physically move the lights to adjust their intensity.
Film speed is also fixed - 100 or 160.
That leaves adjusting the aperture to match your lighting.
Except that a variable zoom lens can give a perfect exposure at 50mm,
overexposed at 35mm and underexposed at 80mm, even though the aperture ring
is set to f8 the entire time.
>Though you didn't say so, on PENTAX camera bodies with the "AE" function,
>~if~ your shutter is set on manual, and your lens is on "A," you're in
>shutter priority mode. But it seems you're describing manual studio
>operation, both shutter and aperture being ~set by you~. If so, and since
you
>didn't mention using a light meter, the presumption is you're using the
>camera meter. In such a studio situation, what you describe is full manual
>operation.
>That is: you've manually set the camera to "X" speed (or slower), then set
>the aperture for depth of field. In that situation, zooming only frames
your
>subject (again, depending on the power of your lighting).
This is metered with a handheld meter, full manual mode on the camera.
Now, it *MIGHT* be possible, for the camera to adjust for this effect. If I
set the aperture on the BODY, and I use a FA lens, the camera could detect
the focal length of the zoom, and compensate automatically when closing down
the aperture.
That is, if the lens does truly let less light in at the tele end than it
does at the wide end, then the camera could close down the aperture a little
bit less, to maintain consistent exposure.
Anybody know of any systems that do this?
--Mike
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RE: Recommend a 3rd party, inexpensive, WA (15-20mm) lens?
Mir is Ukrainian I think not Russian. Big difference (ask them). I have a 45mm F 3.5 medium format from that company. It's OK but not as good as the ones from Arsat although I don't think they make one in that size. Their 30/3.5 fisheye is superb. The best lens I have from there is the Kaleniar 150/2.8. As good as almost any medium format Zeiss lens. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Artur Ledóchowski Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Odp: Recommend a 3rd party, inexpensive, WA (15-20mm) lens? - Original Message - From: Sid Barras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Recommend a 3rd party, inexpensive, WA (15-20mm) lens? > Does anyone have a recommendation, for instance, on the Cambridge (Cambron) lenses? or how about the > Sakars, and the other Russian lenses? And how about MC MIR 20-M 20mm f/3,5? They are available in both M42 (I have the one) and K-mount version. In Poland it costs about $150 (a new one) and I recently bought it slightly used but in decent condition for about $80... Some say it's the best Russian lens:) Greetz Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
It never takes too long for who and what you are to come out. Thanks for being true to form, Mafud. I'd advise you to find a good therapist, but "Narcissists have no faults", and the cure rate is abysmally low anyway. Regards, Bob... "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event." - Samuel Adams, 1771 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In a message dated 12/6/01 8:24:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Okay, Mafud made a comment about how expensive digital prints are to make. > > This was in error. > > Not a true representation of what has transpired at all. > Some disingenuous PDML members, proposing that such an event can happen where > ~they~ live, kept the harangue going, I merely responded. Turns out that what > I know as a "lab" is not what they (any of them) think of as a "lab." What I > meant by "lab" was a "pro lab" as opposed to what they meant, one of them > equating his Walmart to my "pro lab." > It appears I was correct in my assertions. No way would a "pro lab" (any) do > digital for the same price as film. > > ". All our resident lab technicians have jumped all over him repeatedly and > made sure the rest of us know he's wrong." > > As we now know, your "resident lab technicians" are either mini(lab) > technicians or they were referring to any place that develops film, ~not a > "pro lab," as labs are generally known by professional photographers. Since > I'm a (retired) professional with 37 years in the craft, my definition is far > more suitable to the topic than theirs. > **No way does an in-store Walmart minilab equate to "lab" in my professional > terminology. > > "Is it really necessary to continue to taunt him about it? Let's let it go, > huh? You guys are like snapping dogs around a wounded bear." > > I'm certain your condescension was meant as sarcasm Mike. You've failed to > make an impression as a conciliator, in that your own disingenuous nature > shows through. > As for my being "wounded:" ~NOT!~ > As for them being "snapping dogs"?.. you said it, not me. > > "And Mafud, you're *never* going to win an argument that digital is less > convenient than film, so maybe you'd better not go there any more!" > > Not against snapping dogs, eh Mike? > > "And now back to the facts. I went into my local camera store and had them > stick my SmartMedia card into their machine. It cost me $2.50 to have a very > nice 5x7 dye-sub print made on the spot. It took about 5 minutes, mainly > because the salesman who helped me wasn't very familiar with the machine's > controls. The print is pleasant to the point of seductive...makes me want a > dye-sub printer like the Olympus 400...<*sigh*>" > > --Mike > > Hey Mike. You should have gone to...Walmart and done it yourself on their > little do-it-yourself machine! You could have made yourself some beautiful > wallet sized, 8 x 10 or any size you want and in far less time. ~That's~ > what Walmarts are for. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New Pentax digital SLR
Yeah but that is what you actually need. The AF sensor array has to fall into the area observed by the CCD array in this case which makes a 35mm AF sensor array too wide to properly cover the small CCD sensor. If they are using the one from the EOS ix APS camera it is as good as any other AF system. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Mustarde Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax digital SLR On Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:12:41 -0600, you wrote: snip > If Pentax could duplicate [the D30] its quality >for 1/2 to 2/3rds the price and make use of K-mount lenses it would have a >sure winner on its hands in no time. A 3.3mp or better K-mount digital for $1000 - 1500 sounds like a winner to me, too, even with a "small" sensor. At least Pentax is not likely to put a dinky little APS autofocus system (a la the D30) into their digital. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax
too many buttons? most critics say just the opposite! Apart from focus point select it is hard to see how it could have less, unless you drop exposure compensation and bracketing. You could always tape over the exp comp dial and you would be left with AF/MF, shutter speed, Drive mode and meter type - oh and DOF. How is this too many? Fair enough you didnt like it, but it doesnt really have much more than MZ-3 to look at (everything extra is hidden except mult exposure mode perhaps...). > -Original Message- > From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 December 2001 16:27 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Pentax > > > - Original Message - > From: "Rob Brigham" > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:52 AM > Subject: RE: Pentax > > > > What features in particular would you like to lose from the > MZ-S, and > > why? > > > > Presumably what you mean is 'the build of MZ-S but for less > money'? > > I spent about an hour looking at an MZ-S, and came away less > than impressed in may respects. What I liked was the obvious > build quality. What I didn't like was the user interface, though > I just don't recall exactly why. It just had too much stuff on > it for me. I know it is controllable, in that needed functions > can be left on, unneeded ones turned off and all, but I recall > there were just too many buttons on it. > > What I would like to see is a camera with an MZ-3ish feature set > and control layout, with MZ-S build quality. It could even cost > like the MZ-S. I am not adverse to paying extra for quality. > William Robb > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Viruses Again
The boot time virus check can only read the boot partition files as they are in FAT DOS readable format. Everything else that is in Fat32 or NTFS format the DOS scanner can't read. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of aimcompute Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Viruses Again It gets me that the virus check done at boot time, which if it finds an infected file, starts a lengthy search for others, is unable to correct the problems, whereas if I run the virus check when I Windows, it can correct it. At least it said it repaired 2 of 4. Then I still had to download the repair tool and once running it said it fixed 4 of 4. I think I'm clean now. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Viruses Again > Yep. That's the critter that got me. Then when I got every thing > reloaded and set up the way I wanted it got me again. So I reloaded > again and this time tried to bullet proof it. Then the damn computer > wouldn't shutdown properly. So, this time I formatted the HD and loaded > everything from scratch rebooting after each step. 14 hours so far. > > One thing I discovered is that you have to run that darn Norton Anti > virus Live Update over and over until it says that nothing else needs > updating if you want to cover all the latest nasties. > > MS Outlook Express won't recognize its own files if you back them up. So > you have to start all over. I tried Pegasus, but it seems not ready for > prime time. Things just aren't there even though it tells you how to use > them im the help files, and things that are there aren't in the help > files. So it's back to Netscape with its ads. > > The nasty thing about this virus (I think it really is a form of e-mail > bomb) is that all you have to do is select the message for it to run. > How do you delete it without selecting it? Comes up "can't complete the > script" (I keep all the scripts turned off), when you have that message > you are lost. Just scrape everything before it goes out to everyone in > your address book. That is unless the fully update NAV can kill it. Did > I say I had to run Live Update 5 times before it decided it had all the > latest stuff? > > Getting disjointed and rambling so I guess I will stop here. Do I sound > angry? > > Ciao, > graywolf > > aimcompute wrote: > > > > A word to the wise... I found out today my system had contracted another > > virus within the last week. I know there are new viruses all the time and > > it is impossible for a antivirus program to protect against them all. It's > > still IRONIC that after spending $60, is when I get an infection. > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Inkjet problem
"William Robb" wrote: >Hi, I am having an ongoing issue with my Epson C80 printer, and >am hoping that perhaps someone can help me determine the >problem. >Please see: >http://www.accesscomm.ca/users/wrobb/Artifact1.jpg >The part circled in red is the problem. Interesting that the blot is the same size and shape, just replicated. Since it is the same shape on other prints, I'd look for a roller that is leaving a smudge on the paper -- have to have a circumference of the same distance as the dots are apart. Given it happens on other types of paper, I'd look for a dirty roller inside the printer that was causing it. It looks like the smudges could be just about the correct distance apart to be the rubber roller that guides the printed surface of the paper through the printer before it reaches the print heads. Check for a blot of ink, a blot of oil/grease, or just a piece of plastic or paper stuck to the rollers -- check both guide rollers before and after the ink is applied to the paper. Try this.. run a page through a bunch of times without printing anythign on it, then print somethign on it. If the problem is oil/grease/ink smudges, they will accumulate and you'll see a ton of them on the page after printing. If that doesn't change things and you get just as many as before, then perhaps it is something on a post-ink guide roller that is blotting ink off the page. If it has always done this, then I recommend you don't bother with any of this and simply exchange it for one that isn't messing up the printing. hope that helps, patbob ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT :Re: test
Hi All, To whom it may concern, my ISP @home went belly up, so I have a new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What a thrash! I was offline for a couple of days, what did I miss? Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Steven Larson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:26 AM Subject: test > test > Steve Larson > Redondo Beach, California > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Bit of a correction...
Depends because a 2/3 size 5.25 Mp CCD is much denser and has a finer pixel size than a full frame 6 Mp CCD array. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Brigham Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Bit of a correction... Surely you would be better off with a full frame CCD which had the same density as a smaller one (therefore higher pixel count cos its bigger), and cropping the final image. This would be far better than having non standard focal length multiplers as we have now. > -Original Message- > From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 December 2001 00:19 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Bit of a correction... > > > Mike Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Mark R. wrote: > > > >> I also think that the D30 will be obsoleted quickly; It > has neither the > >> wide angle advantage of a full-frame CCD nor the 1.6x focal length > >> magnification > >> of smaller CCDs. Either of these makes sense to me and the > D30 is neither > >> one nor the other; it's too much of a compromise to work, IMO. > > > >Mark, > >The D30 does have the 1.6x CMOS (not CCD). The EOS-1D is > what has the 1.3x > >CCD. > > Yeah, I realized that after hitting "send". My model numbers > were switched so > it's the D30 that I think *will* be successful. > > My first digital SLR will definitely be one with a full-frame > CCD because I'm a > wide angle guy, but after that I might be interested in a > second one that gave > me 1.5x-1.6x magnification. The 1.3x magnification is enought > to annoy me about > the effect on wide angles and not enought benefit with > telephotos. I think the > guys you talked about who don't want to upgrade to the EOS-1D > are right on the > money as far as telephoto work is concerned. > > I like the idea of two different size CCD standards and this > points out another > advantage of digital in the context of interchangable-lens > SLRs: You can change > the magnification of your lenses (without loss of quality or > light transmission) > just be switching them to a camera with a different size CCD. > > -- > Mark Roberts > www.robertstech.com > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography?
Tailgating is sometimes relative. In my case I know exactly what my reflex time is (uncommonly short) and from racing on an other car's bumper at up to 140 MPH I've learned how to predict a driver's response based on how they are driving. On the other hand I never get closer than I know I and my particular vehicle can respond to an emergency. I also don't look at the vehicle in front unless we are alone but instead look sort of through it to vehicles in front of that. Plus I always unconsciously look around for escape avenues just in case. This has saved me more than once in a car or on a motorcycle. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Mustarde Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography? On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:02:06 -0500, you wrote: >When you are stopped or at a low speed making a turn do you find yourself >using the opposite hand from the turn, putting it inside the steering wheel >spokes and grabbing the wheel and pulling the wheel down to start the turn >before using your other hand to continue turning the wheel? Does this mean my deluxe spinner knob with the little bunny logo has to go? ;-) And I can't rest my left foot out the window anymore? Awhile back I dated a woman who was truly a disastrous driver. I was her passenger only once, and it was enough. Her specialty was needless tailgating, among other things. So the first and last time I was her passenger, she started this stupid tailgating thing. For the longest time she kept incredibly close to a truck ahead of us, even though the freeway was fairly clear. I finally turned to her and said "Honey, if you'll get a couple of inches closer, I'll just grab his bumper and we can turn off the engine and save gas." She didn't understand the humor at all. "I'm a good driver," she proclaimed indignantly, "You sound like my boss and my mother and my sister. They won't ride with me at all. Just because no one wants to ride with me doesn't mean I'm a bad driver! I've never, ever had a wreck!" -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT :Re: test
Don't ask :-0 Norm Steven Larson wrote: > Hi All, To whom it may concern, my ISP @home went belly up, so > I have a new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > What a thrash! I was offline for a couple of days, what did I miss? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Variable aperture zoom question
Well that is correct except at the widest setting. If you have a 28-80/4-5.6 lens and set the aperture manually at F4 and zoom from 28 to 80mm you will end up at F5.6 even if the ring says F4. This is because at the widest setting the aperture ring is not involved in the actual diaphragm function. The insides of the lens barrel is what determines the aperture in that case. It's actually easy to see the effect. If you sit at 28mm and change the ring from 4 to 5.6 the shutter value will change. If you move up to around 80mm and switch it between 4 and 5.6 the shutter value will not vary at all. that's because the amount of light is not changing because the barrel of the lens housing is already stopping the amount of light to around F5.6 anyway. >From a different perspective you could say that these are actually F5.6 constant aperture zooms that are opened up at the short end. Often times the design of a constant aperture zoom is nothing more than opening up the front element and lens barrel so that the diaphragm is not vignetted by the barrel at the long end. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Variable aperture zoom question In a message dated 12/5/01 4:19:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > That's precisely the point - that because the zoom lens is variable > aperture, I cannot be guaranteed that the amount of light admitted through > the lens will be constant over the zoom range of the lens. > > I *thought* this phenomena applied to variable aperture zooms only when set > wide open. I'm trying to determine if this applies to *all* aperture > settings of the lens. > I'll say this and no more: when you ~manually~ set the aperture, the "variable aperture" becomes a "preset" (by you) aperture. Nothing you do while zooming will (can) change the aperture until (you) change it to a different setting. Specifically: when an "A" lens is not on "A," the lens becomes either semi-manual? (aperture only) or full manual (aperture and shutter on manual setting). **And it does not matter whether you set it wide open or close it down all the way. The aperture CANNOT (does not) change until you change it-period. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In a message dated 12/6/01 8:48:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > Mafud has, however, six times now evaded the question of pricing at his > > lab of choice (though he took great pains to explain how expensive they > > are). We can only be forced to assume that he was making it up, and > > that there is, in fact, not a great price discrepancy between chemical > > and digital prints there." > > > We don't live in the same town or even same region of the country, making > comparisons of pro lab, maybe even Walmart "lab" prices, utterly meaningless. Evaded again. > Remember this: you're not my appointed inquisitor, nor instructor, nor, > heavens forbid, boss, thus your question(s) are as meaningless as they are > superfluous, as would be any comparison between pro lab prices. I, nor > anyone, am not obligated to answer what more than likely would be, in the > end, a rhetorical question. Yes, but now we'll think anything of you and your knowledge that we wish. The question put to you was simple, normal. Folks here don't hang on your every word (or anyone's word) as though you (they) were some authority. If ANYONE makes a claim that another disputes, it's normal (and responsible) to ask the claimant to provide evidence of the claim. It is entirely unfair to require the person questioning or disputing the claim to prove it for themselves. Others have investigated to the ability that they could and found your claim to be empty so far as they can see. You claim you are or have been a PJ. I'll not dispute this. (Basically because I don't care.) So, I assume that you know that all journalists accept that it is there responsibility to back up claims of fact that they make. Regards, Bob... "Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event." - Samuel Adams, 1771 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT: Minolta info
Sorry but for the price of a used PZ-1p you can get a Minolta 700si. Has a real vertical grip which holds real AA batteries, plus controls. And if you put the Minolta in single AF mode I doubt you could tell much difference regardless of the light. Plus you get the nice Omni-directional Predictive AF that allows it to follows objects in continuous movement even if it changes direction. Don't get me wrong the PZ-1p is a really good camera (I didn't like the ergonomics so I bought a ZX-5n instead at the time). Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Mustarde Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Minolta info On Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:29:53 -0300, you wrote: >Hi gang. >One of my friends, who was stolen with me, is going to cash the insurance. >He had Nikon stuff, but now is looking at Minolta AF. I know some members >use (maybe Kent Gittings?) Minolta, and he is looking for good info, >reviews, comments, etc. Any links, etc would be appreciated >Thanks > >Albano > Personally, I think the Pentax PZ1p has always been and is *still* the best damn camera in the world in its price range, new or used. By far. Period. Look no further. A great all-around autofocus 35mm camera. You can buy two PZ1p's for the price of one Nikon, Canon, or Minolta with equivalent features. Need a spare battery holder? Carry your spare battery in your spare PZ1p with a lens attached, ready to shoot, instead of in a bulky and heavy booster attachment that will never take a photo by itself in its life and costs as much and weighs as much as a mint spare Super Program.. Need 8 frames per second? Shoot with a PZ1p in each hand. Need great AF? Nobody's AF is any better in low light than the PZ1p, and nobody's AF is significantly faster or more accurate in real-world shooting in any light. Quieter, maybe, but not faster. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT :Re: test
Steven Larson wrote: > What a thrash! I was offline for a couple of days, what did I miss? Not much of great interest. Mostly we have had incredibly long, boring and misnamed threads on non-Pentax subjects ranging from who to blame for starting WWII and who is doing the worst things in the middle East today to Mafud's delusions about digital. If it continues this way you may want your new ISP to fold as well. :) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: "K MOUNT" question
>Are there any current manufacturers licensed to produce K-mount camera? > >I ask because I am wonder once 24x36cm CCDs become common place, is there a >3rd >party (Phoenix) who could put out a body we could buy if the P_Gods haven't >shown us the way? Ricoh, Casina, Vivitar, and ??? I guess if there would be a point in history where Pentax wouldn't make any film based cameras anymore, there would have no reason for other manufacturers to do anyway. regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Fixed aperture AF zooms
Well... I had the Tamron manual focus version SP 35-105/2.8 which looks nice. But in practice, it was hopeless. regards, Alan Chan >That looks fairly accurate when you are talking about new lenses. There >have >been some others from the past. Most Tamron lenses were available initially >when they came out however they often would quickly eliminate that model if >they didn't sell enough. For instance the AF 300/2.8 is one. It's not >listed >but a couple of members have them from several years ago when they first >came out. So I'm pretty sure they did make the older 35-105/2.8 and the >28-105/2.8 in Pentax just that you might have to search around to find a >used one if you wanted one. >Kent Gittings _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take a Chill Pill, Dudes!
In a message dated 12/6/01 12:07:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > It never takes too long for who and what you are to come out. Thanks for > being true to > form, Mafud. I'd advise you to find a good therapist, but "Narcissists have > no faults", > and the cure rate is abysmally low anyway. > > > > How much are you going to bill me for that condescending, ersatz diagnosis Bob? As much as it's worth? Then I don't owe you squat. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography?
- Original Message - From: "Kent Gittings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: RE: OT: SUV's - was: Illegal Street Photography? > Tailgating is sometimes relative. In my case I know exactly what my reflex > time is (uncommonly short) and from racing on an other car's bumper at up to > 140 MPH I've learned how to predict a driver's response based on how they > are driving. On the other hand I never get closer than I know I and my > particular vehicle can respond to an emergency. I also don't look at the > vehicle in front unless we are alone but instead look sort of through it to > vehicles in front of that. Plus I always unconsciously look around for > escape avenues just in case. This has saved me more than once in a car or on > a motorcycle. > Kent Gittings Probably better still to observe the 2 second rule. I have an annoying habit of testing tailgaters reflexes. If you think you may be putting yourself in a position where the escape route is going to be needed, why not just back off? The person ahead whose nerves you are fraying will thank you for it. L8R Bill - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
Alright, I use the Z-1p mainly and I like Pentax lenses and many of their good old manual focus bodies, but not their AF bodies (excluding 120 because I cannot afford them). I know there would never be any Pentax 35m AF body that I would like, but I have decided to stick with Pentax because I cannot afford to switch (I might choose Contax but I know I never will). Besides, the Z-1p is not too bad, just not great; and the MZ-S's low magnification viewfinder doesn't appeal to me either. Well... no big deal... I just keep shooting and forget I have been using... regards, Alan Chan >Sorry for this OT post, but I really like Pentax cameras, lenses, etc, and >have taken some great pix over the years with them. I wonder if anyone else >shares my pov. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax
>What features in particular would you like to lose from the MZ-S, and >why? The MZ-S was good enough for me, if and only if, it had a higher magnification viewfinder. Okay, Pentax did choose to produce the multicoated glass eyepiece again (what I have been waiting for), but then they took away another important element. I really don't understand Pentax, I really don't. :( regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PZ-1p vs. ZX-5n
Timothy Sherburne wrote: > > Hello all.. > > Well, the last thread I started spun out of control like an SUV covered with > an American flag being driven by Lady Di's bodyguard while drinking exotic > cocktails and not wearing his seatbelt. How we got there from the legal > implications of street photography I'll never know, but that's what the List > is all about, right? Most certainly. > > Okay, so in the interest of staying as close to The List's Topic as > possible, I'd like to hear from those who regularly use the PZ-1p and > ZX/MZ-5n about the differences between these two bodies. I'd like any > comments, pros, cons, antidotes, et cetera. PZ-1p: Faster FPS, and a very nice when you hit the shutter. You can control just about every camera function possible. Feels great with the grip, but is pretty big. Has flash compensation. Meter isn't as accurate as the 5n, but pretty good. ZX-5n - Very small, laid out like a MF camera. Really nice and simple. Shutter lag is almost intolerable. Probably the same as your ZX-M? Can't control flash exposure directly, but using the exp. comp. works just as well for me. Not nearly as durable, IMO. I'm in the minority on this, but I never liked the grip. > > Right now, I'm working with a ZX-M which is fine except when it's time to > take snapshots. You all know what I'm talking about... Birthday parties, > walks to the park, blah blah. Basically, I've discovered that the ZX-M is > fine when working with static objects where you've got time to think about > and adjust for ambient or controlled lighting. However, when it's time to > shoot from the hip, I end up with lots of underexposed pix. You're saying the 2 segment meter is easily fooled? > > The two features I'm really looking for are TTL flash support and fast > autofocus. So, without further ado, please share your comments... Both have ttl, the 5n has better AF. The AF speed difference is marginal, though I believe the 5n is more accurate and hunts a little less. I have 2 PZ-1p's and a 5n, and they get used quite a bit. I'll be replacing the p's with MZ-S's when finances allow. I guess at this point they're for sale. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
In a message dated 12/6/01 12:49:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > So, I assume that you know that all journalists accept that it is there > responsibility to back up claims of fact that they make. > > Regards, > Bob... > > > The questions were disingenuous Bob, meant to elicit ~any~ kind of > response, for which they would ask another or in some way find fault with > my actual answer. > **I'm disappointed that you too overlooked my response as to how I would > resolve their question? Or have you too only fastened on what they ~said~ I > said? I gave a specific respnose/challenge and not one of those buggers have addressed the challenge. Which lets me know they don't ~WANT~ an answer. And if you want to know, find my own proposal on how to settle the issue of digital Vs. film price(s). If and when you do, I'll think you want too know. If you can't find my challenge, then the fault will lay with them and perhaps you. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
- Original Message - From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: RE: Pentax > too many buttons? most critics say just the opposite! Apart from focus > point select it is hard to see how it could have less, unless you drop > exposure compensation and bracketing. You could always tape over the > exp comp dial and you would be left with AF/MF, shutter speed, Drive > mode and meter type - oh and DOF. How is this too many? > > Fair enough you didnt like it, but it doesnt really have much more than > MZ-3 to look at (everything extra is hidden except mult exposure mode > perhaps...). I dunno, it is certainly less complicated than the Canon, Minolta and Nikon offerings. I liked the little button for invoking the AF. My background and interest in photography is photographing pretty static subjectslandscapes for fun, studio portraiture and product for profit. Consequently, even autofocus is pretty much overkill for me. I really don't recall exactly what it was that I didn't like, I recall posting at one point that I didn't like the user interface. It is a very nice camera though. If Pentax doesn't release something more like the numbered MZ series with build like the MZ-S, I can see myself buying an MZ-S at some point. I think I want a medium format film scanner first though. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: how does a graduated filter work?
Oh man, you are asking a question about physics. I am lost... regards, Alan Chan >can anyone explain to me how a graduated filter works. I think that all >light from all points in the >scene go through the entire filter/lens so how can a graduated filter >darken the sky relative to the >(fore)ground. > >Frank _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Odp: Recommend a 3rd party, inexpensive, WA (15-20mm) lens?
- Original Message - From: Kent Gittings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Recommend a 3rd party, inexpensive, WA (15-20mm) lens? > Mir is Ukrainian I think not Russian. Big difference (ask them). Indeed. Sorry for that... Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax
-Original Message- From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax > Sorry for this OT post, but I really like Pentax cameras, lenses, etc, > and have taken some great pix over the years with them. I wonder if > anyone else shares my pov. Not sure if anyone noticed, but I have picked up four screwmount lenses before and during my most recent vacation. Anyway, I just wanted to relate the fun I had using them. I had only carted my MZ-S and LX (2) with me on vacation. I had also left all my screwmount lenses at home, save the Tele-Takumar. I decided one day to leave all the K-mount lenses behind (okay I took the 77 Limited which has become my favorite lens to carry) and just use the new screwmount lenses for a day. Other than the hassle involved in changing lenses - and only having one Pentax K adapter - I had a blast taking photos. I had almost forgotten the feel of those lenses. The smooth focusing, the hefty feel. Also their size seemed rather small. When I get a chance I will have to post some images of the Tele-Takumar 300/6.3 on the MZ-S. The lenses looked at home on the LX, and really did not look out of place on the MZ-S. But then again, I don't mind the look of the Limited on either camera. Yes, I like Pentax and the compatability across the ages. Hey, maybe I should look for an ultra-wide angle screwmount to use on the upcoming digital SLR! :-) Cesar Matamoros II Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Odp: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?
- Original Message - From: Dan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo? > if you had to limit yourself to two (2) Pentax _primes_ and one (1) Pentax > teleconverter, which ones and why? (i.e. how would that combo support your > style of photography better than some other combo?) Well, if I could choose any lens from the market, then without any hesitation I'd go for: - FA 43/1.9 Limited - FA 77/1.8 Limited - A 2X-S Converter unless the F 1.7X provides the normal AF - if so then the latter. Greetz Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Variable zoom question - FA28-70/4
This whole thing seems to hinge on using the term aperture and "F" interchangeably. I don't believe they are. "F" is commonly used to denote relative aperture. And some folks seem to be using aperture to refer to absolute aperture. What a huge urination contest over some sloppy language Not to pick on Kent but, incidentally, in regards to his comment: >>>First off what you say could be done however making the diaphragm change with focal length is the hard way to do it. In fact I don't know of a single lens designer who could make that work very well because most zooms don't have much in the way of zoom/aperture direct interaction. <<< My FA 28-70/4 does exactly that and it does it very, very well. Great little lens. Since the lens mechanically varies the absolute aperture in proportion to focal length setting, relative aperture "F" is maintained - even when it is used on my K1000, ME, or MZ5. On my other zooms, the mechanical "F" scale/setting only indicates the correct relative aperture at the widest setting. Chris Lillja School Publications Guy - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Variable aperture zoom question
In a message dated 12/6/01 12:49:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Well that is correct except at the widest setting. If you have a 28-80/4-5.6 > lens and set the aperture manually at F4 and zoom from 28 to 80mm you will > end up at F5.6 even if the ring says F4." You're saying that a lens at f/4 ~migrates~ to f/5.6 in what is a no eletronic situation. The "A" setting closes (opens?) a circuit. Of the "A" the les is a manul lens. You must then explin how this "phantom" migration happens. > setting the aperture ring is not involved in > the actual diaphragm function." Yup. > The insides of the lens barrel is what determines the aperture in that case. > It's actually easy to see the effect. If you sit at 28mm and change the ring > from 4 to 5.6 the shutter value will change." Goes without saying. > and switch it between 4 and 5.6 the shutter > value will not vary at all." Only if the one-stop movement does not interfere with the amount of light, though theoretically it should. > that's because the amount of light is not changing because the barrel of the > lens housing is already stopping the amount of light to around F5.6 anyway." > OK, twisted, but OK. > > constant aperture zooms that are opened up at the short end." Zoomed to 80mm? That's the LONG end. > design of a constant aperture zoom is nothing more than > opening up the front element and lens barrel so that the diaphragm is not > vignetted by the barrel at the long end." OK > Kent Gittings > _ > -Original Message- > > Subject: Re: Variable aperture zoom question > > In a message dated 12/5/01 4:19:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > That's precisely the point - that because the zoom lens is variable > > aperture, I cannot be guaranteed that the amount of light admitted through > > the lens will be constant over the zoom range of the lens. > IF you use a PK/A variable aperture lens with the lens in any position other than "A", the aperture WILL NOT change, withthe exception of using TTL flash in the aperture AE mode. The way you decribe it, ~you're~ setting the aperture yourself. It won't change no matter how you zoom (with the one TTL flash exception noted). > I'll say this and no more: when you ~manually~ set the aperture, the > "variable aperture" becomes a "preset" (by you) aperture. Nothing you do > while zooming will (can) change the aperture until (you) change it to a > different setting. > Specifically: when an "A" lens is not on "A," the lens becomes either > semi-manual? (aperture only) or full manual (aperture and shutter on manual > setting). > **And it does not matter whether you set it wide open or close it down all > the way. The aperture CANNOT (does not) change until you change it-period. > > Mafud > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: "K MOUNT" question
In a message dated 12/6/2001 2:30:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Ricoh, Casina, Vivitar, and ??? I guess if there would be a point in history > > where Pentax wouldn't make any film based cameras anymore, there would have > no reason for other manufacturers to do anyway. > > regards, > Alan Chan > Okay, I suppose, but Vivitar is *not* a manufacturer. It is a marketing name. Ed M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Photofinishing
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Photofinishing In a message dated 12/6/01 10:35:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > even the "pro" labs for 4x6's Isaac, my pro lab turns out 3.5 x 5.something "standard" prints. ~IF~ you want 4 x 6 prints you pay more. Remember that's ~my~ pro lab. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting. My "pro" lab charges the same for 3.5 x 5 and 4 x 6 prints. It actually takes more work for them to do the 3.5". I am not familiar with labs and just assumed that the 3.5 x 5 was a 'cut' version of the 4 x 6. Cesar Matamoros II Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
That's the *joy* of dealing with the public for you! I don't process or print any of my own film (lack of time and space - I'm sure I'm missing out), but I know the deal I want and how much I want to spend, depending on what film I've used and what the subject material is. $4 for processing and printing a 36 exp roll is great value for the many photos and follow on reprints at that sort of price you send to family of the children growing up etc. You can't get picky at this price. For something you want a little care taken over, use someone you trust and you build an understanding of what you are looking for. Someone at some time will let you down and for my part, I often have to say the person who took the photos has alot to answer for :-) Malcolm, G0DPT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Owens Sent: 06 December 2001 14:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers > The piece of work in question was an estimate on restoration, which, by > the way, was a mere $40 including the print, the lowest price we ever > quote for restoration. The customer agreed to the price in the end, and > then groused about it again when it came time to pick up the work. I > asked her to confirm that it was her signature beside the estimate, and > she said "yes", so I promptly rung it into the till. > > Sometimes I feel like murdering people. :) > > -Aaron I know the feeling well. Like the customer I recently had who, on examining her "next day" prints, culled three or four perfectly good (well, average minilab prints) and stated she didn't know why she took them and didn't want to pay for them at 22 cents per print. Or those that examine their 3 day prints, which cost a measly $4.00 for processing and printing, even 36 exp rolls, and want a credit for those which they don't like. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers
Hmmm, my isp doesn't seem to want to cooperate with message rule 8. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers > And right about here you're gong to tell me how you and ~your~ Walmart lab > ~do~ have the facilities and that ~you~, Mr. Robb, can and do individual > proccessing requests by dialing in their desired KODAK processing channel. > You'll probably also say you can and do discriminate between PORTRA and GOLD > and FUJI emulsions and that your Walmart can print on any paper and nearly > any size I choose, even if it's on KODAK SUPRAll @ 11 x 14. > Go ahead, tell me. Since I have already asked you once to address me with a modicum of respect, I will presume that it is just your nature to be an abuser. I can live with this. That you are offensively infantile is your problem and not mine. Now, to answer your question: The Noritsu 2102 printers that I use read the discrete DX code off the film edge and sets the film channel accordingly. The film is then scanned by a high density CCD camera and the negatives are projected onto a monitor. Colour and density correction is then manually applied to each and every negative on the roll. So, yes, we do discriminate between manufactuere and type of film. And yes, we print every negaitive on an individual basis. I have stated in the past that a large prints and custom cropping are outside the purvue of a Wal~Mart photo lab (but you knew that, right?) We work within the limitations that are given to us, in terms of size of print and cropping options, and paper type. We have no choice in this. When we have to send someone to a custom lab we are quite willing to. It is just good customer service to make every attempt to enable a customer into the product they want. We do not compromise quality in areas we can control. We run C-41 and RA-4 process controll strips at the beginning of every day, we balance all paper widths and surfaces to a common colour point daily. We pre judge print every single negative that goes through our printers, and we inspect every single print for defects, and redo the ones that fall outside our acceptable limits. Our limits, because we are an amateur photofinishing minilab are not quite as tight as a pro lab should be, but we don't send out anything we wouldn't buy ourselves. It is easier to do the job correctly the first time. This is the work ethic that is part of the entire Wal~Mart culture in Canada, and really, is the work ethic of Canadians in general. I hope this answers your question. Now, wouldn't the world be a better place if we all were willing to back up our claims with facts? Any journalist worth his salt knows this. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
Mike Johnston Wrote: >William Robb wrote: > >> What I didn't like was the user interface, though >> I just don't recall exactly why. It just had too much stuff on >> it for me. > >That's my personal reaction too. I much prefer the interface of, say, the >Nikon N80. (That and the FM3A are my current favorite camera bodies. Talk >about yer dark side. ) I think the MZ-S interface *looks* busier than it is. In particular, the graphics on the exposure compensation and bracketing selection dials together look very intimidating. When I learned how to use them I was shocked at how simple it was, but the graphics make that side of the camera's top plate *appear* much too complicated. The only thing I don't like about the actual operation of the camera is having to use the lens's aperture ring to select aperture (love my PZ-1p because I can dial in aperture from the body), especially when using large telephotos and *especially* when the lens is mounted on a tripod. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photofinishing
- Original Message - From: "Matamoros, Cesar A." Subject: RE: Photofinishing > Interesting. My "pro" lab charges the same for 3.5 x 5 and 4 x 6 > prints. It actually takes more work for them to do the 3.5". I am not > familiar with labs and just assumed that the 3.5 x 5 was a 'cut' version of > the 4 x 6. Depending on the volume of 4R (4x6) prints to 3R (3.5 x 5) prints, many labs (mine included) print 3R on 4 inch paper, then hand trim the prints to size. If the volume warranted, we would go to 5 inch paper for doing 3R prints. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Photofinishing
Quite true. If the person who did the processing and printng didn't care, one shouldn't expect good result. Just like one of my local lab which was once excellent, but now (newly employed printer) they scratched every film that I gave them, and white spots on at least 1/3 of all prints. They aren't cheap either. Even though they were willing to do the reprint without questions, I was sick of myself to go back and ask for reprints everytime. They have not improved their QC after my countless complaints. Just too much hassle. regards, Alan Chan > There has been some disparaging words here about "cheap" >photofinishing vs >a "pro" lab, and I'd just like to put in my two cents... I work at a place >that prices itself between places like Walmart and the various custom labs >around here. While its true that in general we produce with more >consistancy >than places like Walmart and Eckerd's, that isn't always the rule. What I >have >found to be the key issue is wheather the people running the lab care about >what they are doing moreso than where they are. I always tell my customers >that photofinishers are like hairstylists (or barbars) in that if you find >someone that does a good job, stick with them. If William Robb's Walmart >was >near me, I'd be sorely tempted to get my 4x6's done there because it's >obvious >that he cares, and he's got a killer price. That's an amazing combo, but >unfortuenetly, it's all too rare. Most of the time, I get what I pay for. >Most >places use similar (in capabilities) machines, even the "pro" labs for >4x6's. >The difference comes down to who is using and maintaining them... > >Isaac _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax
>I think the MZ-S interface *looks* busier than it is. In particular, the >graphics on the exposure compensation and bracketing selection dials >together >look very intimidating. When I learned how to use them I was shocked at >how simple it was, but the graphics make that side of the camera's top >plate >*appear* much too complicated. I think it "looked" quite complicated too when I tried it at a local store. >The only thing I don't like about the actual operation of the camera is >having to use the lens's aperture ring to select aperture (love my PZ-1p >because I can dial in aperture from the body), especially when using large >telephotos and *especially* when the lens is mounted on a tripod. This can be both good and bad. If you checked your Z-1p carefully, you would discovered the actual aperture selected on the camera was not that accuracy. The accuracy is lens dependence. Up to 2/3 EV difference could be possible based on my observation. regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Virius alert
Len Paris wrote: > I believe all of that. What touched a hot button was the > implication that non-Linux users are somehow bringing this all > on themselves by not using Linux. I apologize if I gave that implication, I really should be more more verbose than quick quips. I am an avid Microsoft non-user, not hater, as I believe the windows platform has much to offer in game playing world, its slick interface and easy access APIs make it easy to add new tools. My children use windows for there games, as linux is not a game playing platform, Funny thing, someone mentioned the added per user implementation in XP, but you still need to be admin, to play games (sigh). Linux is not totally virus free, however does suffer from many exploitable buffer overflows, a great failing of linux was that when installed, all services were turned on, presumably on the assumption that if you installed it, you wanted to use it. Now, with RedHat, these services need to be manually swithched on and firewalling is built in by default. As a Sys Admin I monitor logs daily for a vast number of machines and we get on average about 2 dozen scans or attempted breakins each hour. We have had only 1 machine comprimised in the last 6 years. There are many good desktop features now in linux, for our purposes The Gimp, is a good photo editting tool and gaining in popularity as alot of amateur photographers cannot afford tools such as photoshop, coupled with the price of a MS lisence. I am hoping that in the future we will see companies like PENTAX, Canon and Minolta realease the required drivers for linux, or at least give access to the API's, most printer manufactures now do this, and now most scanner drivers are also available. With MS heading towards .net, or applications as service, I can see many people not wanting to purchase these services and opting for MacOS or Linux as a substitute. Kind regards Kevin Waterson - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
