ME Super: will a winder shorten its life?
Morning all - I've been thinking for a while of adding a winder to my ME Super. Since I got the -5n, I've come to appreciate that there are times when it really helps to have the film wound for me. (Although there have been as many times when I've been glad of the Super's relative quietness.) I keep looking on the wrong side of the viewfinder for the shutter speed too, but that's another story. The only thing that concerns me is that I'm a little afraid that a winder will put extra strain on the Super's advance mechanism and possibly shorten its life. The camera has been unfailingly reliable over 17 years and on three continents, and I admit I have a degree of sentimental attachment to it as my first Proper Camera, so I wouldn't want to put that at risk. Anyone have any experiences, good or bad, that would help me decide? Much obliged, Clive. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ME Super: will a winder shorten its life?
Clive Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only thing that concerns me is that I'm a little afraid that a winder will put extra strain on the Super's advance mechanism and possibly shorten its life. For what it's worth, I once asked my Pentax service tech this as a general question, and he suggested that the winders actually would lengthen the life of the cameras. He explained that the mechanical, automatic winder stop function made sure the winder never strained against a fully wound mechanism, while manual winding tends to do that every time. Still, he didn't seem to feel it made a big difference. -tih -- Puritanism -- the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax 645(?) vacuum ( digital) back
Are there indeed electrical contacts between the film back and the camera back on the 645NII? I think I have to visit Pentax and take a look at it. Anyway, Pentax have recently patented both a vacuum back and a digital back for the 645. This could be interesting indeed. I had dropped the idea of upgrading my 645N but if the new one has electrical contacts I'll reconsider. Pål Mark wrote: Pål (and all), I took a look at the patent in question (6338580). The drawing looks very much like a 645n film insert. Further, in his Luminous Landscape review of the Pentax 645nii (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/645nii.htm), Michael Reichmann mentionsl that a primary reason for the upgrade from the 645n was to add digital contacts between the camera body and film (or digital) insert. It seems to me that such contacts would support either a digital insert or the vacuum insert. Finally, Pentax patents with generic-looking drawings seem to disappear without a trace, while patents with very specific-looking drawings may actually see the light of day. Keep hope alive, Pål! This one might actually make it to market. You'll have to upgrade your 645n to a 645nii, though - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 645 or 67 and Tech Pan
Aaron wrote: I haven't seen the film flatness issues that you've experienced in your 645 in my 67, though I'll confess I haven't gone out of my way to look for the problem. Are the transports similar? No the transports are not similar. I don't think film flatness is a big issue with the 67. It's the bending backwards of the film on the 6 X 4,5 system that produce the film flatness problem. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Aren't those prayer poles kinda greasy?
Hi, Mike Johnston wrote: I have mine shipped to a small valley in Bhutan where they're hand-washed by Bon nuns on rocks eroded by the crystal headwaters of the Brahmaputra. After that they're transported by semi-wild dzos to Mount Kailash then wind-dried on prayer poles. So don't leave us hanging, Walkden. Does this method work well, or not? Unfortunately, the ozone layer hole allows enough ionising radiation through at that altitude to burn holes in them. Anyone want some Pentax microfibre lace? mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Marx is overvalued
A slight (pedantic?) clarification is in order, perhaps. Or, perhaps not. Nip of Bob W.'s cooking sherry then, Bob H.? There's a good lad. ;-) ---(dreaded wink twice in a row--O, bad night, bad night) Shouldn't that be: a slight (pedantic?) claret ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: How many lenses do you WANT to own?
Monday, January 21, 2002, 7:50:55 PM, Cotty wrote: Actually, some assignment / editorial photogs these days are getting by with 2 zooms--an f/2.8 super WA (17-35, that sort of thing) and an f/2.8 80-200. C Mike, C ALL the press snappers I see out on jobs have exactly those lenses - C almost exclusively Nikon D1Xs, although the Canon faithful have soldiered C on with the D30 - until now. I dare say there will be the odd brace of C EOS1-Ds now. C Cotty True, Cotty, I have seen many of them with this double-setup too. But the few I know personally want to be more creative (one works for a weekly, though, there's _somewhat_ more time there for creativity). One war reporter and when not in war a normal PJ uses a lot his 1.4/35mm for creative DOF, even in plain daylight (I guess the 1/8000 speed of these bodies helps thereg). Even for normal, fast, reportage. I must admit, his photographs are really good, they stand out of the usual PJ snappers crowd. Good light, Frantisek Vlcek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: For Pål: Film Flatness snip from Zeiss (Long )
[...long quote from papa Zeiss] As a rule of thumb: For best sharpness in medium format, prefer 220 type roll film and run it through the camera rather quickly. - Evan, thanks for the forward. Interesting read. But just cuting out the last paragraph as above, it seems to my overparanoid mind (and I am _not_ a World Conspiracy loving American G) as a way to increase film sales and revenues in meduim format ;-)) 220 means better bucks than 2x120, as you have to run 2x more exposures with 5min between each exposure... Heh ;-) Good light, Frantisek Vlcek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: I still want the A* 135/1.8
BB Economics is not about dollars (or euros, or yen, or pesos). Economics is about the trade BB of goods and services among people. Dollars are simply an abstract representation of this BB trade among people. BB Regards, BB Bob... Tempted, but I won't go into this one. No. *must resist* ! No. Nooo. Nooo! Let it be, please REALLY! Good light, Frantisek Vlcek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Repeated messages
Monday, January 21, 2002, 6:49:12 PM, Doug wrote: DB Yes, I've seen them and have taken action. DB Thanks, DB Doug Doug, thank you! Good light, Frantisek Vlcek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MI6 use Pentax
Not AH. HA. Ciao, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: MI6 use Pentax AH he's confused the British regulars for the Canadian Army, well the local and Provincial regiments were in aqua green tail coats and single bandoler, except Quebec, they were in a bright Blue not to be mistaken for the dark blue of the US Blue coats. --- Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no, Mounties wear bright red frock coats. Army wears bright red tail coats with crossed white bandolers. Look I have seen them in the movies, so you can't tell me otherwise. Ciao, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: Re: MI6 use Pentax On Sunday, January 20, 2002, at 09:51 PM, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: Heck, and I thought you blokes wore bright red tail coats. Tom, Tom, Tom...those are Mounties! The Royal Canadian Mounted Police would probably not appreciate being confused with the Canadian Armed Forces, much like your FBI would not appreciate being confused with the Marines. Do the FBI have horses? -Aaron trying to picture the Mounties' musical ride with black sedans and men in black shades - __ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Australian PDMLRS - 35-105 A
I found a f3.5 35-105 KA zoom at a local shop. They marked the price
down from 399 to 299. It is in excellent condition but does not include
original lens cap.
If there is any interest, contact me off line and I will give you their
details.
Regards,
Bob Rapp {:~)
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Re: OT -- sort of -- What makes a photographer?
Ultraman is alive and well in today's Japan. To be found in any toystore in the niknak dept. Kind regards Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:party in Sunny Brighton
Hello Steve I am planning some special deals for that day. Watch the AP ad for more info. Andmine's a pint - Super Dry, of course. Forty years old and twenty of those in the camera business - you'd think I would have learned something by now. Kind regards Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Start-up B/W kit
Hi, So it finally got me:) I decided to enter the blackwhite world... I've alre ady bought a developing tank but I don't know what film and chemicals I shou ld get at the beginning - Ilford, Agfa, Kodak (no, you won't talk me into us ing the Kodak Academy:)) What are their pros and cons? What do you think? TIA Greetz Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?
Take a look at the U.S. EBay listing mentioned at the start of this thread. It was indeed a star lens, issued during the A series; I should have said 135/1.8 PKA*. Last year a pair of them sold back-to-back on EBay for $1800 and $1810. They are among the very scarcest and sought-after Pentax K-mount primes of any focal length. Everyone seems to want the biggest 135. I just have my Takumar 135/2.8 but it only cost me $60.00AUD Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: So that's who's got all the fun
That's nothing, according to the bottom of this disposable camera in front of me, Kodak owns not only the word Gold, but also the word Fun. Careful, now, kids, don't be having any fun that isn't authorized by the Eastman Kodak Company! I **KNEW** I wasn't having as much fun as I used to. :-( --Mike ~ Do I have to process my *fun* after I have had it? If you are having a bad day can you buy some disposable *fun*? You can't licence words like that, although I would have to agree you have to be careful with some. For example, if you were taking pictures in the Scottish Highlands and were hungry and enjoy fast food, I wouldn't say Gosh! I could murder a McDonalds on the grounds it may be the last thing you say ;-) Malcolm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vivitar Series 1 70-210 models
The second-generation version (f/2.8 to 3.5, introduced 1984) was made by Komine Ltd. of Japan. Komine also made the third-generation version, introduced 1986 (f/2.8 to 4.0). It takes a 58mm filter and has 14 elements in 11 groups. Weight is 24 ounces, like the Pentax 70-210/4 PKA. It and the 2/8 to 3.5 were available in PKA mount. In an earlier posting I praised the Tamron SP Macro 70-210 f3.5. I neglected to mention in its name that it is a macro (constant 1:2.6). It's a push-pull one-touch; it weighs 30 ounces (860 g), uses a 62mm filter, has 15 elements in 11 groups, and has 7 blades in its diaphragm. Paul Franklin Stregevsky 13 Selby Court Poolesville, Maryland 20837-2410 [EMAIL PROTECTED] H (301) 349-5243 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Cleaning Micro-Fibre Cloths
Does that mean that if I use my cloth on a 77 Ltd first before I clean my A28 it will improve the bokeh? ;) Alan Aaron said: Shel, though I'm not Bob I feel that I should warn you that by mixing your cloths you are seriously risking rubbing some of the bokeh off of your lenses, This e-mail and any attachments are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Do not copy this e-mail or any attachments, use the contents for any purpose, or disclose the contents to any other person: to do so could be a breach of confidence. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: I still want the A* 135/1.8
On 22 Jan 2002 at 7:36, Paul F. Stregevsky wrote: My lens set ranged from 16 to 500mm and consists entirely of lenses highly praised by PDML members. But I've never spent more than $400 on a lens. I have spent over US$1000 on my current lenses over 14 times and I feel OK about it too, each to their own I guess? Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
eBay Bargain motordrive?
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1321229882r=0t=0showTutorial=0ed=1011676026indexURL=0rd=1 Granted, it says the ni-cad pack needs work because it can't hold a charge for more than a day but it looks to me like someone got a bargain. I tried to enable myself but I just don't have the funding to support my habits! Christian - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Start-up B/W kit
Well at the risk of appearing not to answer the question at all, here goes: The choice of darkroom process really depends on your setup, and preferences. I use Ilford Delta 400, underexposed by about 1/3 stop, and developed normally in Agfa Rodinal Special Developer, printed on Ilford RC Multigrade paper at grade 3. Why? because I like the result. After a while messing about with various combinations, this is the one I like the best. Depending on what you want, you probably will need to experiment a bit as well. I personally prefer the new T-grain films from Ilfod (Ilford Delta) because I like the smaller grain. I don't like Kodak T-Max (many people wont use anything else). However, others will argue that the older type films such as AgfaPan, Kodak Tri-X, Ilfod HP5 plus, and Ilford FP4, give better contrast range, an tonality. So really, its probably a case of getting out and about over a few months, and trying a few combinations. So essentially, you need to take a lot of notes, and be able to pinpoint how you developed a roll of film, what the prints were printed on etc, and when you have a fair selection of prints, and negs, you'll certainly know what you do and don't like (also, this changes every few years in my own experience). A good place to start though is with something like Ilford Ilfosol-S, which is a fairly good allround developer, and something like Ilfod HP5, or FP4 (I don't have much experience with T-Max, although Tri-X should be ok in Ilfosol). Hope this helps (although I realize it probably didn't) T. At 11:27 22/01/2002 +0100, =?iso-8859-2?Q?Artur_Led=F3chowski?= wrote: Hi, So it finally got me:) I decided to enter the blackwhite world... I've alre ady bought a developing tank but I don't know what film and chemicals I shou ld get at the beginning - Ilford, Agfa, Kodak (no, you won't talk me into us ing the Kodak Academy:)) What are their pros and cons? What do you think? TIA Greetz Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vivitar Series 1 70-210 models
Paul According to my info: http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/third/cult.html#vivitar it was the third version that was made by Komine. The first was by Kiron and the second (the one I have) was made by Tokina. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul F. Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Vivitar Series 1 70-210 models The second-generation version (f/2.8 to 3.5, introduced 1984) was made by Komine Ltd. of Japan. Komine also made the third-generation version, introduced 1986 (f/2.8 to 4.0). It takes a 58mm filter and has 14 elements in 11 groups. Weight is 24 ounces, like the Pentax 70-210/4 PKA. It and the 2/8 to 3.5 were available in PKA mount. In an earlier posting I praised the Tamron SP Macro 70-210 f3.5. I neglected to mention in its name that it is a macro (constant 1:2.6). It's a push-pull one-touch; it weighs 30 ounces (860 g), uses a 62mm filter, has 15 elements in 11 groups, and has 7 blades in its diaphragm. Paul Franklin Stregevsky 13 Selby Court Poolesville, Maryland 20837-2410 [EMAIL PROTECTED] H (301) 349-5243 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Cleaning Micro-Fibre Cloths
It could, if you rub real hard. ;-) Len --- -Original Message- From: Alan Abbott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 6:37 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Cleaning Micro-Fibre Cloths Does that mean that if I use my cloth on a 77 Ltd first before I clean my A28 it will improve the bokeh? ;) Alan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Very OT
No Mike, you've lost it a long long time ago. ;-) Christian On Monday 21 January 2002 21:39, Mike wrote: why do butlers iron newspapers? If the butlers are ironing the newspapers they just better be sure the colors are web-safe before they throw them in the washing machine with no fabric softener. ZM!! There goes Michael Schumacher!!! *sigh* I'm losin' it. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vs: Michael A.'s an ASS
Well, to be fair, so was Kimi. McLaren started testing the new car after those times were set. Christian On Monday 21 January 2002 17:22, Ed wrote: And Michael is basically driving last year's car. Thanks, Ed http://lightandsilver.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Fisheye
Antti-Pekka, No this is the manual focus version . . . the one thing that I have noticed (or rather not noticed), is that with this lens, focusing is not much of an issue. EVERYTHING I can see is in focus . . . I turn the focus ring, and don't see any changes. Now I was using this in my family room, so, it might just be that I wasn't looking at infinity, but it doesn't seem that focus would be necessary. Illinois Bill Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote: At 09:21 20.1.2002 -0800, you wrote: Hey gang, Got a Sigma 8 f/4 circular fisheye off of ebay recently. It's a very interesting lens, which presents an entirely new way of looking at the world to me. I've taken a couple of test shots, which I have to take in to get process still. When I get them back, I'll scan and upload them so the list can take a look. EXCITED as always, Illinois Bill Great! I previously asked the list if anyone had this lens. At that time no-one seemed to have it and now that you told us you do, I am very anxious to see the scanned results ! Is it the auto focus version ? I'd want a circular fish-eye for those specatacular all sky phenomena like noctilucent clouds and aurora. Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 400 789753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 2 413 * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: I still want the A* 135/1.8
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How many of us can really take more than a few shots with the $1800 135/1.8 PKA that we could not have got with a lens costing one-tenth as much? Paul, You've got to try shooting a high school gymnastics meet in a dim field house. Even with Fuji 800, I had trouble with blurr on the moving gymnasts. The 135/2.5 just won't cut it. I'm trying 1600 Ecktachrome pushed to 3200 this Saturday. Not all of us paid $1,800 for these lenses, and not all of us lock them away in some display case. Lenses are for using. The A*135/1.8 has made more trips to my daughter's high school events than any other. It's the one I use the most in the gym or the theater. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Favorite Body Roll Call Results UPDATE 12
1- You must choose JUST ONE Pentax brand body of any era and format. 2- You must have personal experience with it, no matter if you own it, owned it, borrowed it, rented it. You must have used it (it's not a wish list). 3- Again, you must choose JUST ONE. 4- Send the answers OFF-LIST, TO ME, to don't disturb list members. I'll not count votes sent to list. Regards DISCLAIMER: For the winner category, I'll count all the variants of a same model (ie all Spotties together), so don't start arguing hey, you must put all this or that together. Thanks Winner by now: LX with 22 votes. Members: 71 M42: - Spotmatic (1) - Spotmatic II (1) - Spotmatic SP (2) - Spotmatic F (1) - SP 500 (2) - ES (1) K Manual Focus: - KX (4) - K2 (1) - K2 DMD (1) - MX (7) - LX (22) - Super Program (2) - Program A (1) K Auto Focus: - Z1 (1) - Z1p (1) - PZ1p (4) - MZ S (11) - ZX5n (2) - MZ5n (1) Medium Format: - 645 (1) - 6x7 (4) - 67 (1) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Favorite Lens Roll Call Results UPDATE 46
These are the conditions: 1 - You must answer off-list exclusively. On-list votes will not be included. 2 - You must choose Your Favorite Pentax Lens. ONLY ONE. Yes, ONLY ONE. 3 - It must be original, no third-party allowed. 4 - Primes and zooms. 5 - You must specifiy: Tak, Super Tak, SMC Tak, K, M, A, F, FA, etc. 6 - You must have personal experience with it, no matter if you have it, had it, lost it, sold it, borrowed it, but you must have used it. If not it would be a wish list. First Place (11 votes): FA* 24 2 Members: 151 K 15 3.5 (2) A 15 3.5 (1) A 20 2.8 (1) K 24 2.8 (3) A 24 2.8 (2) FA* 24 2 (11) K 28 3.5 (1) K 28 3.5 Shift (1) M 28 2.8 (1) A 28 2 (1) A 28 2.8 (1) K 35 3.5 (1) M 35 2 (1) FA 35 2 (2) M 40 2.8 (4) FA 43 1.9 Limited (2) SuperTak 50 1.4 (1) SMC Tak 50 1.4 (3) SMC Tak 55 1.8 (2) K 50 1.2 (1) K 50 1.4 (1) M 50 1.4 (5) M 50 1.7 (3) M 50 4 Macro (1) A 50 1.4 (6) A 50 1.7 (1) F 50 1.4 (1) F 50 1.7 (1) FA 50 1.4 (2) FA 50 1.7 (1) K 55 1.8 (2) FA 77 1.8 Limited (3) SMC Tak 85 1.8 (3) SMC Tak 85 1.9 (2) K 85 1.8 (3) M 85 2 (2) A* 85 1.4 (2) FA* 85 1.4 (2) M 100 2.8 (2) M 100 4 Dental Macro (1) A 100 2.8 (1) A 100 2.8 Macro (4) F 100 2.8 (1) F 100 2.8 Macro (2) FA 100 2.8 Macro (5) K 105 2.8 (2) K 135 2.5 (1) A* 135 1.8 (1) A 135 2.8 (1) Tak 200 3.5 Preset (1) K 200 4 (1) A* 200 2.8 (1) A* 200 4 Macro (5) A* 300 2.8 (2) F* 300 4.5 (2) FA* 300 4.5 (1) FA* 400 5.6 (1) FA 20-35 4 (3) M 24-50 4 (1) FA 24-90 3.5-4.5 (3) FA 28-70 4 AL (1) FA 28-80 3.5-4.7 (1) F 35-70 3.5-4.5 Macro (3) FA 28-105 4-5.6 powerzoom (1) A 35-105 3.5 (7) K 45-125 4 (1) M 75-150 4 (3) A 70-210 4 (2) A 80-200 4.7-5.6 (1) FA* 80-200 2.8 (1) 645 35 3.5 (1) 6x7 SMC 45 4 (1) 6x7 SMC Tak 55 3.5 (1) 6x7 SMC 55 4 (1) 67 165 4 LS (1) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Bodies Roll Call Results UPDATE 145
Please send the messages to me directly, to not disturb other members,thanks. Also, I've not included 110 and digital cameras, just because I started this way, and I didn't want to change in the middle of the way. Also, if you already submited and want to add new items, please put clearly in your message: this is not my first submission, so I don't put you twice in the total answers. Thanks to all contributors. TOTAL ANSWERS: 451 members MANUAL FOCUS: Screw Mount: - Asahiflex IIa5 - Asahiflex IIb6 - Asahi Pentax (AP)5 - K4 - SL...8 - SV..11 - S1...3 - S1a.11 - S2...2 - S3...5 - SP500...14 - SP1000..12 - Spotmatic...35 - Spotmatic II18 - Spotmatic IIa2 - Spotmatic SP34 - Spotmatic SP II.15 - Spotmatic F.43 - Spotmatic F MD...2 - Spotmatic MD.3 - ES..18 - ES II...25 - ElectroSpotmatic.4 - H1...2 - H1a..5 - H2...5 - H3...7 - H3v..5 Bayonette: - KM..18 - KX..45 - KX MD1 - K2..42 - K2 DMD..11 - K1000...86 - K1000 SE.9 - MX.135 - ME..43 - MF-1.1 - ME SE2 - ME Super...141 - ME Super SE..4 - MV...7 - MV1..2 - MG..13 - LX.155 - Super Program...78 - Super A.47 - Program Plus18 - Program A...10 - A30004 - A3...2 - A3(date).1 - P3...8 - P3n..8 - P30..8 - P30n.1 - P30t14 - P5...8 - P50..3 - ZX M25 - MZ M15 AUTOFOCUS: - ME F11 - SF 1.5 - SFX..3 - SF 1n8 - SFXn14 - SF 7.2 - SF 107 - PZ 118 - PZ 1 SE..2 - Z1..25 - PZ 1p...71 - Z1p.41 - Z5...2 - Z5p..1 - PZ 105 - Z 10.5 - PZ 20...13 - Z 20.4 - Z 50p2 - PZ 706 - Z 70.1 - MZ S28 - MZ 322 - ZX 511 - MZ 515 - ZX 5n...58 - MZ 5n...40 - ZX 7.9 - MZ 7.8 - ZX 10...10 - MZ 10...14 - ZX 308 - MZ 301 - ZX 508 - MZ 50...11 MEDIUM FORMAT: - 645.18 - 645n.4 - 6x7.18 - 67...9 - 67 II7 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Favorite Film Roll Call Results UPDATE 37
These are the conditions: 1 - You must answer off-list, right to me. 2 - You must choose your favorite emulsion (35 and 120/220 allowed. Color and b and w) 3 - You must choose ONLY ONE (color print OR slide OR b and w, etc). 4 - You must have personal experience with it. WINNER by now: Tri-X with 10 votes. Members: 97 COLOR Slide: Kodak Kodachrome 25 (2) Fuji Velvia (9) Agfa RSX II 50 (1) Kodak Kodachrome 64 (4) Kodak Elitechrome Extra Color 100 (3) Kodak Ektachrome 100 VS (3) Kodak Ektachrome 100 SW (2) Kodak Ektachrome 100 (1) Fuji Sensia II 100 (3) Fuji Provia 100F (7) Kodak Kodachrome 200 (1) Kodak Ektachrome E200 (2) Fuji Provia 400F (1) COLOR Print: Konica Impressa 50 (1) Kodak Supra 100 (1) Kodak Royal 100 (1) Fuji Reala 100 (2) Agfa XRG 100 (1) Kodak Portra 160 NC (1) Fuji Superia 200 (1) Agfa HDC Plus 200 (1) Kodak Max 400 (1) Kodak Ektapress PJ 400 (1) Kodak Supra 400 (4) Fuji Press 400 (1) Fuji Superia 400 (1) Fuji NPH 400 (1) Kodak Portra 800 (1) Fuji Press 800 (3) Kodak PJC 1600 (1) BLACK AND WHITE: Agfapan APX 25 (2) Agfapan APX 100 (1) Ilford Pan F (2) Ilford Delta 100 (4) Kodak Plus-X (2) Ilford FP4 Plus (3) Agfa Scala 200x (1) Kodak Tri-X (10) Kodak T400 CN (1) Kodak Porta 400 BW (1) Fuji Neopan 400 (1) Agfa APX 400 (1) Ilford HP5 (1) Ilford HP5+ (1) Ilford XP2 (2) Konica VX 400 (1) INFRARED: Kodak HIE (1) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: I still want the A* 135/1.8
Paul F. Stregevsky wrote: There is a very correlation between price and value... Make that perceived value. The maker of a higher-priced product always wants you to believe You get what you pay for. And part of what you pay for is imagery. If a high priced product makes you feel good about yourself, then perhaps it's worth the money. If image and perceived value were taken out of the equation, life would be rather boring. And, worse yet, I'd be out of a job. It's not uncommon for a product's perceived value to be ratcheted up by hype. What makes a $50/ounce perfume worth more than a $10/ounce chemically equivalent generic? Will the man that a woman wishes to attract know that she's wearing the name-brand? No, but she'll know, and it may very well affect her self esteem. And perhaps she likes the look of that fancy, name brand bottle on her dressing table. That's value. Why do certain German and Italian cars sell in America for multiples of their domestic selling price? Hype. They don't sell for multiples of domestic selling prices. That's popular BS. I once worked on Mercedes advertising for the US market. Believe me, we did everthing we could to keep the price point down, but the prices reflected the costs of producing the product and marketing it here. But over the years, Daimler figured it out. Mercedes automobiles are no less expensive than they were 12 years ago. Paul Stenquist - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Start-up B/W kit
Artur, In my very non-professional opinion, Kodak Tri-X and D-76 make an excellent film developer combo for those just beginning bw. My first batch of Tri-X I'm sure was way off specs for temperature and time but I still got acceptable results. Evan - Original Message - From: Artur Ledchowski Hi, So it finally got me:) I decided to enter the blackwhite world... I've alre ady bought a developing tank but I don't know what film and chemicals I shou ld get at the beginning - Ilford, Agfa, Kodak (no, you won't talk me into us ing the Kodak Academy:)) What are their pros and cons? What do you think? TIA Greetz Artur - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vivitar Series 1 70-210 models
The second-generation version (f/2.8 to 3.5, introduced 1984) was made by Komine Ltd. of Japan.Komine also made the third-generation version, introduced 1986 (f/2.8 to 4.0). Hmmm... That's interesting... Paul, what is your source of this information (on the maker of the second-generation version)? Robert Monaghan's third-party lens site claims that Tokina is the manufacturer of the middle zoom (referencing Keppler in Modern Photography as the source of this information). Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: I still want the A* 135/1.8
Darn, I insert typos in the worst places. Paul Stenquist wrote: Paul F. Stregevsky wrote: I meant to say, Merces automobiles are less expensive now than they were 12 years ago. Mercedes automobiles are no less expensive than they were 12 years ago. Paul Stenquist - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Iron and...
Mike Johnston opined: why do butlers iron newspapers? Because it's too hard to steel them? I give up. g --Mike Ooooh, I know this one!! It dries the ink and keeps it from soiling the hands of their burgeois oppressors -- err, uhh... employers. I have no idea where I heard this or why I remembered it. Now what do I win? ;-) Comrade Bill Rochestergrad, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vivitar Series 1 70-210 models
Thanks to all of you for the link and clarification. I had the oldest model in Minolta mount but had to part with it when getting my MZ-5N. My younger brother got his new MX recently and I think a well-performing MF 70-210 zoom with a Macro function would be nice for him... ehm, for us. :-) So I try to go after something I already know. I have heard praise on Pentax A 70-210, but since it lacks Macro, I'd rather bought Vivitar (or Tamron SP?). What are reasonable prices for each of the Vivitar S1 70-210 models? Thanks again! Jozef Balaz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Surly polar bear
Tuesday, January 22, 2002, 6:47:19 AM, David wrote: DAM Aaron Reynolds wrote: That's nothing, according to the bottom of this disposable camera in front of me, Kodak owns not only the word Gold, but also the word Fun. Careful, now, kids, don't be having any fun that isn't authorized by the Eastman Kodak Company! DAM I seem to recall a lawsuit here a few years back when NZ Telecom decided DAM that it owned a specific shade of yellow (as used for their online Yellow Pages DAM site). They tried to sue a web designer who used that colour for something DAM else, and if I remember right they didn't get very far. DAM Cheers, DAM - Dave Be glad they didn't put a TM on all the NAMES in the yellow pages! Good light, Frantisek Vlcek (TM)(R)(C). All other mentioned trademarks are property of their disrespectful stealers, and William Shakespeare. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: P67 impressions continued, Lenses
OH JUST SHUT UP!!! Norm Aaron Reynolds wrote: snip I'm loving the 75 f2.8. I have some more bokeh-oriented shots processed and scanned that I intend to put up on the net this afternoon. snip - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear
There was until recently a night spot in Charlotte called The Polo Lounge Ralph Lauren and Co. sued saying the name polo was their property. Sure fooled me. I always thought polo was a game similar to croquet played by rich Englishmen on ponies. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good light, Frantisek Vlcek (TM)(R)(C). All other mentioned trademarks are property of their disrespectful stealers, and William Shakespeare. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ME Super: will a winder shorten its life?
My ME Super died because of the stresses on the advance mechanism from my thumb. I had a winder ME II, but didn't use it much (and still don't with my new ME Super) because of the slight delay in firing and because the shutter button doesn't seem to have a 'stop' where it is about to fire...know what I mean? I didn't like the feel of it. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Favorite Body Roll Call Results UPDATE 12
On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 08:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - 6x7 (4) - 67 (1) Am I fighting for a lost cause here? -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ME Super: will a winder shorten its life?
MY experience with a winder on a ME Super is that it is bad for the camera I have had the mechanism repaired once and recently I am starting to have problems again. After using it continuously for eight years I have removed it replaced the screw cover to the body and put the winder away. Also the winder does not always load properly, you never feel 100% sure it has loaded at times. I never used it in the continuous position because trying that position a couple of times, it went through the whole roll of film. Is it that difficult a job to crank a ME Super? Denny B Subject: Re: ME Super: will a winder shorten its life? From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:06:31 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Morning all - I've been thinking for a while of adding a winder to my ME Super. [snip] The only thing that concerns me is that I'm a little afraid that a winder will put extra strain on the Super's advance mechanism and possibly shorten its life. [snip] Anyone have any experiences, good or bad, that would help me decide? Clive: I used a pair of ME Supers with Winder II's on them for probably most of the 1980's, running countless rolls of film through them, and they never had a problem (of any sort) during all that time. And, these cameras were thoroughly ~used~ under less-than-ideal (for camera bodies) conditions (they were my main camera bodies for my work on a whale watch fleet, which is a tough environment for photo gear). I hardly ever used the Continuous function of the winders, but almost always used them for Single shots. However, my impression of the winders is that they may have actually ~increased~ the life of the winding mechanism, since the film advance lever itself never had to be used at all. In any case, they always worked like the proverbial charm. (Your mileage may vary, of course.) Anyhow, that's my thoughts. Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cleaning Micro-Fibre Cloths
On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 07:37 AM, Alan Abbott wrote: Does that mean that if I use my cloth on a 77 Ltd first before I clean my A28 it will improve the bokeh? Quite possibly, Alan, though the bokeh may be jarring or distracting because of the difference in focal lengths. I recommend using a lens of similar (or better yet identical) focal length when attempting bokeh-transfer in this manner. -Aaron p.s. remember not to store the lenses on their sides, or all of the bokeh will run to one edge, making half of your image sharp and jarring and the other half unnaturally smooth. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear
Funny, we have had a brand of mints called Polo for decades! Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Owens Sent: 22 January 2002 14:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear There was until recently a night spot in Charlotte called The Polo Lounge Ralph Lauren and Co. sued saying the name polo was their property. Sure fooled me. I always thought polo was a game similar to croquet played by rich Englishmen on ponies. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good light, Frantisek Vlcek (TM)(R)(C). All other mentioned trademarks are property of their disrespectful stealers, and William Shakespeare. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Favorite Body Roll Call Results UPDATE 12
Aaron, Well, I don't have one yet to consider changing my vote. Hopefully not too far away... Bruce Dayton Tuesday, January 22, 2002, 6:09:56 AM, you wrote: AR On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 08:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] AR wrote: - 6x7 (4) - 67 (1) AR Am I fighting for a lost cause here? AR -Aaron AR - AR This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, AR go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to AR visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Static -- and how to get rid of it
Hi folks, Thanks to all who responded with helpful advice about static control. And thanks, Bob G., for the information about RubaChem wipes! Those ZeroStat guns look like they'd work pretty well, although it's somewhat more expensive than I expected. The wipes and sprays sound pretty economical, and I'm anxious to see if the wipes leave any kind of residue. I looked into those Staticmaster brushes from NRD (Grand Island, NY), and found out that in Canada, one apparently needs a CDN $700 license to possess these -- due to the small amount of polonium-210 they contain??!! Wow! (At least this is what is listed on a distributor's website.) Good thing there's an exemption from such requirements in the US! I found a distributor who lists the 1 and 3 brushes for US $20 and $33, respectively. Not sure if the manufacturer will sell these direct for a better price. Thanks again, Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear
I heard a story on Public Radio a while back that a couple of disgruntled Australian song writers had trademarked every possible combination of telephone touch-tones as songs (their reasoning is that two notes equals a musical composition). Last I heard they were fighting in the courts for royalties for each time ANYONE ANYWHERE in the world dials ANY number from ANY touch-tone telephone! Christian (using rotary phones from now on!) On Tuesday 22 January 2002 09:30, you wrote: Funny, we have had a brand of mints called Polo for decades! Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Owens Sent: 22 January 2002 14:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear There was until recently a night spot in Charlotte called The Polo Lounge Ralph Lauren and Co. sued saying the name polo was their property. Sure fooled me. I always thought polo was a game similar to croquet played by rich Englishmen on ponies. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good light, Frantisek Vlcek (TM)(R)(C). All other mentioned trademarks are property of their disrespectful stealers, and William Shakespeare. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Start-up B/W kit
Hi Artur, There are so many BW films and developers that it would be hard to make a suggestion as to the brand of film to start with. Kodak's Tri-X is a very forgiving film, is readily available almost anywhere, has good keeping properties and requires little in the way of special handling or storage. Some people consider its granularity to be too great, but that depends on the developer used, the technique used to develop the film, the type of enlarger and paper used to make the print, and, of course, the exposure. This is true for all BW emulsions, BTW, not just TX. You'll find similar qualities for many other BW films. Having tried and used many, I keep coming back to TX as the standard, but I like Agfa APX 100 quite a bit, as well as Ilford 100 Delta, Fuji's new Across 100, and have been experimenting with Bergger 200. In general, I like the older style emulsions. Others swear by the newer T-grained films - Ilford's Delta series, Kodak's T-Max, and so forth. The truth is, it almost doesn't matter where you start. You just need a point of beginning to learn technique and what your preferences are. Until you've established your own exposure index and developing time for a given film, and learned how to make some decent prints, you won't even have a reference point to determine your preferences. Once you've learned what you need to know about a given film/developer combination you can then, intelligently, say that you prefer more or less of certain qualities, and then find either another film or developer that will halp you achieve the desired results. Anyone that tells you a certain film is best is, quite frankly, full of it. There is no best film, just films with different characteristics that may or may not be ideal for a given subject. Further, unless you're going to be printing your own negatives, you'll never learn the craft of BW. I hope you're planning on getting an enlarger and setting up a small darkroom. That's the only way you'll have the control needed to determine with any accuracy which films and chemicals you prefer. And speaking of chemicals, both Kodak's D-76 and Ilford's ID-11 are good places to start. Defferent results can be had by using different dilutions, which will allow you some room for experimentation without having to buy many different developers, and both are generally available, inexpensive, and easy to use. Once you know the properties of the developer you can decide if you'd like something else, just like with the film. So, go down to the photo shop, grab a few rolls of one type of film, a couple of packages of developer, and go to it. But remember - first things first: establish the correct EI for the film using your gear, technique, and conditions. Otherwise you may as well shoot color neg film or C-41 BW. HTH Artur Ledóchowski wrote: So it finally got me:) I decided to enter the blackwhite world... I've alre ady bought a developing tank but I don't know what film and chemicals I shou ld get at the beginning - Ilford, Agfa, Kodak (no, you won't talk me into us ing the Kodak Academy:)) What are their pros and cons? What do you think? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Start-up B/W kit
On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 08:00 AM, Terence Mac Goff wrote: A good place to start though is with something like Ilford Ilfosol-S, which is a fairly good allround developer, and something like Ilford HP5, or FP4 (I don't have much experience with T-Max, although Tri-X should be ok in Ilfosol). One of the instructors at Sheridan tell his students to start with Ilfosol-S because he believes it is simple to mix and easy to work with in terms of temperature and agitation (it is not overly sensitive to minor variations). I have not used it myself, but I sell a fair amount of it. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vivitar Series 1 70-210 models
Fred wrote: a great condition Pentax A 70-210/4 often goes for $125 (plus or minus) on eBay, with more used ones sometimes dipping below $100, I think. Yep. I hereby offer my Pentax PKA 70-210/4 for $90, or $115 with the B+H multicoated UV filter. It shows wear by the aperture ring but the glass is clean. It's a fine lens; I'm just not a zoomer. I'll ship anywhere. PayPal or BidPay preferred. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Start-up B/W kit
While I agree with you WRT the TX/D-76 combination, one may argue (although it's not my position) that it's almost a too easy and forgiving combination, and that more can be learned by using a film/developer combination that forces one to be more precise. Evan Hanson wrote: Artur, In my very non-professional opinion, Kodak Tri-X and D-76 make an excellent film developer combo for those just beginning bw. My first batch of Tri-X I'm sure was way off specs for temperature and time but I still got acceptable results. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vivitar Series 1 70-210 models
My younger brother got his new MX recently and I think a well-performing MF 70-210 zoom with a Macro function would be nice for him... ehm, for us. :-) Smart move, Jozef. Just don't forget to let him use his lens once in a while - g. I have heard praise on Pentax A 70-210, but since it lacks Macro, I'd rather bought Vivitar (or Tamron SP?). I'm not trying to turn you away from the Vivitar and Tamron lenses, Jozef, but I should point out that the Pentax A 70-210/4 does have a macro function (well, sort of). At the wide end of its zoom range only (unfortunately), it can be shifted into a Macro mode, but it is not particularly good as a macro lens. Actually, now that I think of it, many of the Pentax so-called macro zooms that ~I~ am familiar with - A 28-135/4 (1:3), A 35-105/3.5 (1:4), A 35-70/4 (1:2.7), A 70-210/4 (1:4) - are really not particularly good as macro lenses (although it is still nice to have the feature, just for those emergencies when one is caught without a regular macro lens). The pleasant exception here is the little A 35-70/4, which actually is a rather decent macro lens (and at its useful long end, at 70mm, too). Now, for a macro zoom lens that has a ~really~ good macro mode (at 1:2.5), there is that Angenieux 70-201/3.5 that I just sold a couple of weeks ago (and am starting to miss already - g)... Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: Favorite Body Roll Call Results UPDATE 12
Should I buy one then Aaron??g Dave Begin Original Message From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:09:56 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Favorite Body Roll Call Results UPDATE 12 On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 08:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - 6x7 (4) - 67 (1) Am I fighting for a lost cause here? -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: For Pål: Film Flatness snip from Zeiss (Long )
The issues below are my findings as well. At first I didn't know what caused my film flatness problems except that it happened in cold weather. My camera back has been at service a couple of times and the last time everything was tightened up. If anything, this made the problem slightly worse. Last summer I shot a roll over two days. All the frames were sharp except the second frame of the second day; ie. the piece of film that spent the night bent backwards over the rollers. Indeed if you shot one frame at the time in cold weather with a 645 camera the solution is to shoot only every second frame; ie. frame 1, 3, 5 etc. In this way, the exposed frame has never spent time bent over the rolls. Pål 2. Film flatness problems are mainly caused by the combined influence of two factors: the rollers in the camera or magazine that bend the film, and the time a certain part of the film is bent by such a roller. Camera manufacturers usually space the rollers in a way that bent portions of the film will never be positioned near the center of the image. Therefore only marginal regions of the image should be affected by sharpness problems due to film flatness errors. Since the photographer cannot alter the geometry and mechanics of his camera, he can only influence the other factor: time. A film run through the camera without much time between exposures should result in good flatness and hence sharpness. Five minutes between exposures may be some sort of limit, depending on brand and type of film. 15 minutes are likely to show an influence of bending around rollers. Two hours definitively will. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: How many lenses do you WANT to own?
Hi Frantisek, True, Cotty, I have seen many of them with this double-setup too. But the few I know personally want to be more creative (one works for a weekly, though, there's _somewhat_ more time there for creativity). One war reporter and when not in war a normal PJ uses a lot his 1.4/35mm for creative DOF, even in plain daylight (I guess the 1/8000 speed of these bodies helps thereg). Even for normal, fast, reportage. I must admit, his photographs are really good, they stand out of the usual PJ snappers crowd. That's an interesting point. One wonders whether or not most press snappers are simply using the '2 body 2 zoom' setup almost because it's de riguer. By that I mean that - heaven forbid - it's the fashion! Not so long ago, I'd see all snappers with a gadget bag, namely a Billingham. Then I started to see them disappearing in favour of rucksacks - more mobility. Once you've got your bodies and lenses that you want, the rest can go on your back, freeing up arms and legs. This is ideal for papping celebs, or outside court. But now, the bags seem to have gone altogether! Two bodies with 2 zooms, one or both with flash and NiCad(s) in jacket pocket(s). So if I saw someone with a 35 1.4, I'd take a closer look - this guy isn't following the fashion! He's probably *setting* the trends, not following them. I wonder how many of the trend-followers could shoot something decent with just one body and one prime? I'll bet your friend could. That's the acid test, eh! Good light to you too, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cleaning Micro-Fibre Cloths
Aaron wrote: p.s. remember not to store the lenses on their sides, or all of the bokeh will run to one edge, making half of your image sharp and jarring and the other half unnaturally smooth. And for god's sake, be sure to store them in the dark. Allowing light to pass through lenses when you're not using them is a waste of their light transmissivity. If you allow it to be frittered away in this manner it will be used up very quickly (possibly running out in the middle of an important shoot!) and the life of the lens will be shortened considerably. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Start-up B/W kit
I just got into BW photography... well, I just got into photography recently. I've been shooting Tri-X and developing with Tri-X developer... which seems pretty easy to do. The results were pretty good considering I haven't developed film since highschool (10 years). I'm hoping that since I can't fit an enlarger into my tiny bathroom in my apartment I might just buy a decent scanner and print them the pics on my HP 932c printer (don't know what the results will be though). That way, I can have my own little digital darkroom and process the film in my bathroom with no worries. The only things I noticed is that it was tricky loading my stainless steel developing reel in the dark. But, I've been practicing loading it with some test film while I watch T.V. or something... so that I'm not looking at what I'm doing and until it just becomes second nature to me. But, maybe you've been shooting for a while and already know a lot of this... I just want to say everyone here in this group has been pretty helpful when I asked about how to develop my first roll of film. Thanks people! Gabe - Original Message - From: Artur Ledchowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:27 AM Subject: Start-up B/W kit Hi, So it finally got me:) I decided to enter the blackwhite world... I've alre ady bought a developing tank but I don't know what film and chemicals I shou ld get at the beginning - Ilford, Agfa, Kodak (no, you won't talk me into us ing the Kodak Academy:)) What are their pros and cons? What do you think? TIA Greetz Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear
On soapbox Some of you might remember a few years ago that Rupert Murdoch threatened to sue a small Maryland paper called The Times, Murdoch's contention was that there could only be one The Times and that of course was The Times of London. The Maryland paper not having the assets to stand up to NewsCorp changed it's name to the Picayune Times or some such. So behold the sad of IP law as giant corporations try to lay claim to common words, ever wonder why Microsofts word processor was named Word, perhaps very soon there will be a © by every word in the great Oxford Dictionary of the English Language. In the meantime individual photographers have to jump through hoops to keep their photographs from image stealing web crawlers. off soapbox Evan - Original Message - From: Bill Owens There was until recently a night spot in Charlotte called The Polo Lounge Ralph Lauren and Co. sued saying the name polo was their property. Sure fooled me. I always thought polo was a game similar to croquet played by rich Englishmen on ponies. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good light, Frantisek Vlcek (TM)(R)(C). All other mentioned trademarks are property of their disrespectful stealers, and William Shakespeare. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: I still want the A* 135/1.8
Bob S ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The A*135/1.8 has made more trips to my daughter's high school events than any other. It's the one I use the most in the gym or the theater. And my most used lens is my $150 single-coated Vivitar Series One 135/2.3, which f/stop for f/stop delivers 1/2 to a full stop faster shutter speed than my SMC 135/2.5K. Like you, I use it to shoot indoor school events. I agree, for indoor sports ISO 800 won't cut it. I've been shooting at 1250 and push-processing one stop, but I'm now starting to shoot at 2000 and push-processing two stops. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: End of OM
Mike wrote: I suppose many of you have heard this already, but yesterday Olympus Optical Co. announced the end of the OM line. Citing increasing difficulty in finding stable suppliers for parts, Olympus will discontinue the OM series of 35mm cameras. Lack of parts was what killed the LX as well, although I suspect that the LX may have been discontinued soon anyway... Shame about the demise of the OM system though. We can now be sure that the coming Olympus digital slr (with interchangeable lenses) will have nothing in common with the OM system. It will be interesting to see what Olympus offers when they start at scratch. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Start-up B/W kit
What is Tri-X developer? I never heard of it. gabriel bovino wrote: I just got into BW photography... well, I just got into photography recently. I've been shooting Tri-X and developing with Tri-X developer... -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: I still want the A* 135/1.8
Paul Stenquist wrote: And part of what you pay for is imagery. If a high priced product makes you feel good about yourself, then perhaps it's worth the money. If image and perceived value were taken out of the equation, life would be rather boring. Then why not substitute placebos whenever possible and save ourselves some cash? If certain alternative therapies--say, foot reflexology--work principally by the power of suggestion, let's give the unemployed a one-day training course in the basic manipulations and the mumbo-jumbo, and heal the sick for a $10 session. Hey, maybe I'll buy my wife one bottle of Chanel No. 5. When it's empty, I'll refill it with the clone, claiming I discarded the old bottle and bought her a new one. OK, so I'm omitted some of the necessary logistics. But if she'd be none the wiser, why not? How are matters worse? I routinely pose the following question to husbands: If there was a jewelry item that your wife wanted, and you could afford only the manmade copy, would you buy it for her and pass it off for the real thing if you knew she'd never try to sell it and I could somehow guarantee you that no one else would ever know? The husband usually replies, I guess I would, sure. The wife glares at him and snaps, Over my dead body! Why should she object? (But then, having seen The Matrix, I don't understand why we shouldn't just let the humans exist in their dreamworld.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: What lens do you wish Pentax made?
A quality portrait lens around 105mm, Maybe F2 or F2.8. Thanks, Ed http://lightandsilver.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vivitar Series 1 70-210 models
Fred wrote: Now, for a macro zoom lens that has a ~really~ good macro mode (at 1:2.5), there is that Angenieux 70-201/3.5 that I just sold a couple of weeks ago (and am starting to miss already - )... ..or the Vivitar Series One 90-180 Macro Zoom (1:2 throughout its focal range). I'll poising to sell my K-mount version soon to let it go to a home that would use it more often. And I'll probably miss it, too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What lens do you wish Pentax made?
Shel, Pentax (almost) makes (or made) a couple of the lenses on your wish list. There's a Pentax A* 200mm F2.8 on eBay right now, and the FA* 24mm F2.0 is a pretty nice lens. Oh, I forgot one other lens I'd like to see: bring back a 135mm F1.8! A fast lens like this would be superb for available-light action photography! --Mark Shel wrote: I'd like to see a 150/2.5, a 180mm/f2.8 or so, manual focus, with high build-quality and optical excellence. Likewise a 35mm/1.4, a 28/2.0, a 24/mm2.0, and a 20mm/2.0 - all A* quality or better. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cleaning Micro-Fibre Cloths
On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 10:02 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: And for god's sake, be sure to store them in the dark. Allowing light to pass through lenses when you're not using them is a waste of their light transmissivity. If you allow it to be frittered away in this manner it will be used up very quickly (possibly running out in the middle of an important shoot!) and the life of the lens will be shortened considerably. Oh, I almost forgot! And make sure to paint the interior of your lenscaps 18% grey to avoid colour and density shifts during storage. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What lens do you wish Pentax made?
100mm (or there abouts) f/1.4 designed essentially the same as the 77 limited. Must come with tailored hood. Regards, Bob... Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event. - Samuel Adams, 1771 From: Mark Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want an autofocus 80-200 zoom lens that has the optical quality of the FA* 80-200 F2.8 zoom, but with a maximum aperture of F3.5 or F4. This lens would be a perfect companion for the MZ-S and 24-90 zoom lens. What lens do you wish Pentax made? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What lens do you wish Pentax made?
Yes, I know about the A*200/2.8 - in fact I have one - but I'd still like something between 150mm and 200mm. Also, a 250mm/2.8 or so would be nice. The FA*24/2.0 is huge, and it's auto focus. Not my cup o' tea. Mark Erickson wrote: Shel, Pentax (almost) makes (or made) a couple of the lenses on your wish list. There's a Pentax A* 200mm F2.8 on eBay right now, and the FA* 24mm F2.0 is a pretty nice lens. Oh, I forgot one other lens I'd like to see: bring back a 135mm F1.8! A fast lens like this would be superb for available-light action photography! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Surly polar bear
Actually IIRC most of the modern idea of Santa Claus comes from T'was The Night Before Christmas Coca-Cola expanded upon the description for its famous ad campaign. By skinny Santa I'm assuming you mean Saint Nicholas who visits Dutch children every year after arriving by ship from his home in Spain. St. Nick proved to be so different than Santa that I snapped a picture of him in a Amsterdam department store with the K1000 with a M50 f2 in 1991 . Evan trying to be on topic - Original Message - From: Amita Guha P.S. Polar bears are a trademark of Coca-ColaTM now, did you know that? So is Santa Claus. I'm not kidding. The modern image of Santa Claus, fat and decked out in red, was created for an ad campaign for Coke around the turn of the last century. Before that, Santa was supposed to be skinny and I think his clothing was different. - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What lens do you wish Pentax made?
Would you not consider the K105/2.8, or the SMC Tak version, a quality portrait lens? Ed Mathews wrote: A quality portrait lens around 105mm, Maybe F2 or F2.8. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Program-Plus right hand grip missing
KEH has one right now, under Pentax/grips, it is called grip Super A. It's $29.00, which seems high, but I've not really priced them elsewhere. William in Utah. Fred wrote: Recently rescued a near-mint ProgramPlus from a pawn shop...body is missing its grip...was this piece an option or a standard attachment... Bob: The grip on the Program Plus (Program A) came with the camera body as standard equipment when bought new. (It was the same grip as used on the Super Program (Super A.) It has to be removed to attach a winder, and so it may end up being misplaced before the body is resold. A few sellers on eBay have been known to sell the body and the grip separately, and a few more sellers may offer it for auction presumably when one finally turns after being misplaced for a while. That might be your best chance of getting one. Fred - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MX Zooms
With the discussion of the (very fine) Pentax-A 70-210/4, there's also the inexpensive option of the Sears (Kiron?) 80-200/4, which is well-though- of in this group, and commonly selling for about $50. In addition, KEH has a Tokina 80-200/2.8 AT-X for $199. A bit more money, but a significant- bit more lens. They both feel in an a Pentax MX. my 2c, Collin -- . --- Cats are evil incarnate. They are only your friend until someone makes a better offer. They are the whores of the animal kingdom. -- an fellow hater of cats who requested anonymity -- -- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT Re: Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear
On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 12:31 PM, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: They may have threatened to sue, but trademarks can only be restricted for use in a competetive manner. That means you can not call clothing you sell Polo, but you can call your bar Polo. So if they caved in they had a piss poor lawyer. I recall a polo supply company being bullied by WIPO and Ralph Lauren to give up the polo.com domain. I don't recall the outcome, but the WIPO do not impress me with their logical thinking or decision making skills. They seem, from what I have read, to be simply a lobby group for big business. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear
You are of course correct. My point was simply corporations are increasingly using more general terms and applying copyrights to them in a deliberate effort to impede their usage by others who might or might not be competitors. Evan From: Tom Rittenhouse You can not copyright or trademark words, except in conjucntion with something. You can not keep people from using the word except in a competitive manner. That is the reason for coined words like Kodak and Xerox, they only apply to the product so any use is an infringement. Ciao, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: I still want the A* 135/1.8
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then why not substitute placebos whenever possible and save ourselves some cash? Go ahead, feel free. But others will continue to buy advertised brands. And I will continue to try to convince them to buy. In fact, I will do my damnedest to talk people into buying things they don't need. It's my job. Hey, maybe I'll buy my wife one bottle of Chanel No. 5. When it's empty, I'll refill it with the clone, claiming I discarded the old bottle and bought her a new one. OK, so I'm omitted some of the necessary logistics. But if she'd be none the wiser, why not? How are matters worse? That's fine as well. But if the brand didn't exist, with all its imagery value, then there would be no Chanel bottle to refill, nothing to aspire to. And the generic perfume wouldn't have to try to mimic the scent of the brand name. In fact, it really wouldn't have to smell good at all if there were no target. If one were to extend that thought, and think about what might happen without brand identity, one must conclude that we'd soon be swimming in a sea of mediocrity. Imagine for a moment that there are no camera brands, just one line of equipment produced in one state-owned factory. There would be no need to aspire to greatness, no need to create a market for your product. It wouldn't matter if the aperture blades were oily and the focus rough, because there would be no alternatives. Value is partly inherent and partly a result of hype (as you call it). But that portion of overall value that is a product of marketing hype is just as valuable in its own way as the object itself. In truth, a brand name is nothing more than a form of hype. The more value you can attach to that brand name, the better chance it has of succeeding in the marketplace. Paul Stenquist - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What lens do you wish Pentax made?
He wants a 101mm limited Prime in titanium with one of those green leather soft cases and non removable hoods. --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you not consider the K105/2.8, or the SMC Tak version, a quality portrait lens? Ed Mathews wrote: A quality portrait lens around 105mm, Maybe F2 or F2.8. __ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Serial or batch-numbers on LX
I talked to Pentax/Sweden today. According to them serial numbers don't say anything about the age of an Pentax LX. There is however a batchnumber - at least since 1990 - which gives accurate information about place and date of production. Is this information correct? Peter Smekal Uppsala, Sweden [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?
I don't know but $600 US seems a bit high to be sending a seller with 0 feedback. Ok, I'll admit it, I have too much time on my hands. Did anyone else check out the current high bidders previous purchases. Defiantly a Pentax fan. His previous camera body purchase was a 'Beater' LX for $165. Now he's buying arguably the most expensive 135mm lens he could buy for this camera. I'm not sure if this is a brilliant strategy, or what? At 08:05 PM 1/22/2002 +1100, you wrote: Take a look at the U.S. EBay listing mentioned at the start of this thread. It was indeed a star lens, issued during the A series; I should have said 135/1.8 PKA*. Last year a pair of them sold back-to-back on EBay for $1800 and $1810. They are among the very scarcest and sought-after Pentax K-mount primes of any focal length. Everyone seems to want the biggest 135. I just have my Takumar 135/2.8 but it only cost me $60.00AUD Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?
Well, it's the glass that does the job... Regards, Bob... Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event. - Samuel Adams, 1771 From: Peter Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know but $600 US seems a bit high to be sending a seller with 0 feedback. Ok, I'll admit it, I have too much time on my hands. Did anyone else check out the current high bidders previous purchases. Defiantly a Pentax fan. His previous camera body purchase was a 'Beater' LX for $165. Now he's buying arguably the most expensive 135mm lens he could buy for this camera. I'm not sure if this is a brilliant strategy, or what? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cleaning Micro-Fibre Cloths
Oh, I almost forgot! And make sure to paint the interior of your lenscaps 18% grey to avoid colour and density shifts during storage. -Aaron Unless you are using a camera w/o TTL metering, in which case black would be a better color to prevent stray photons from entering the lens. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
LX spotted on ebay
LX on ebay http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1323336130 Might be something. Only problem: the seller doesn't answer any questions about his offer. Is this normal ebay-behavior? Peter Smekal Uppsala, Sweden [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: What lens do you wish Pentax made?
I should have added: with AF. Thanks, Ed http://lightandsilver.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What lens do you wish Pentax made? Would you not consider the K105/2.8, or the SMC Tak version, a quality portrait lens? Ed Mathews wrote: A quality portrait lens around 105mm, Maybe F2 or F2.8. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: eBay bargain motordrive
Yes, it is still available I bought my LX battery pack new last year from the Colorado service/parts center. Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT Re: Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear
There was a run of cases in the UK a few years back with McDonald's claiming that they owned the Mc prefix on just about anything (and tasking legal action against anybody who used it), and not just for fast food. Toys-R-us also did the same with the backwards R (and indeed forwards too!) and won at least several cases against small sole trader outlets. The main one I remember being a tire dealer in Bedford called tires-r-us. Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: What lens do you wish Pentax made?
And a special plaque that comes with it, suitable for hanging on my wall. Oh, and a free toy (like a happy meal has). Thanks, Ed http://lightandsilver.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brendan Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 1:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What lens do you wish Pentax made? He wants a 101mm limited Prime in titanium with one of those green leather soft cases and non removable hoods. snip - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Surly polar bear
Amita Guha wrote: The modern image of Santa Claus, fat and decked out in red, was created for an ad campaign for Coke around the turn of the last century. Sorry Amita, this is an urban myth (which I believed for many years and helped to spread too)... see http://www.snopes2.com/cokelore/santa.htm Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Throw him to the lions, Centurion!
- 6x7 (4) - 67 (1) Am I fighting for a lost cause here? Yes, but you're so entertaining to watch while you do it. Carry on. --Mike Photography is simple. The only complicated thing is keeping it simple. (Ken Archer) * * * Find out about Mike Johnston's unique photography newsletter, The 37th Frame, at http://www.37thframe.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear
Odd. Beverly Hills Hotel has a Polo Lounge --- as I remember, Hyatt has something similar, and I suspect there were many others around the country. Would seem RLC must have had something else than just the name on which to make a winning case? Otis Wright Bill Owens wrote: There was until recently a night spot in Charlotte called The Polo Lounge Ralph Lauren and Co. sued saying the name polo was their property. Sure fooled me. I always thought polo was a game similar to croquet played by rich Englishmen on ponies. Bill KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good light, Frantisek Vlcek (TM)(R)(C). All other mentioned trademarks are property of their disrespectful stealers, and William Shakespeare. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Start-up B/W kit
Artur, In my very non-professional opinion, Kodak Tri-X and D-76 make an excellent film developer combo for those just beginning bw. My first batch of Tri-X I'm sure was way off specs for temperature and time but I still got acceptable results. Evan, I'll second my professional opinion as a photo educator and former photo magazine editor. Tri-X in D-76 may not be everybody's choice (it is mine, BTW), but it's a great choice to start with. It's friendly and forgiving, and yields good results with ordinary care. I shoot Tri-X 400 at E.I. 200, and hand develop 3 rolls at a time in a 4-reel tank with a generous airspace, using D-76 diluted one-to-one with water. At 68 degrees, I develop for 8.5 minutes agitating by inversion once per minute. This gives nice, fully exposed, easily printable negatives. If you like more grain, use a condenser enlarger; if you like less grain, use a diffusion enlarger. Bear in mind that most enlarger light sources are neither fully diffuse nor collimated. The range from most diffuse to least looks something like this: Cold light Dichroic-style (quartz bulb with mixing box, i.e., color enlargers, Leitz V35) Large frosted bulb with single condenser (i.e., most Dursts) Large frosted bulb with multiple condensers (Omega D series, etc.) True condensing (e.g., Leitz Focomat II) Point source enlargers I prefer dichroic-style enlargers or standard Dursts (non-VC heads) with Tri-X. --Mike Photography is simple. The only complicated thing is keeping it simple. (Ken Archer) * * * Find out about Mike Johnston's unique photography newsletter, The 37th Frame, at http://www.37thframe.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: eBay bargain motordrive
December of the 13th year? Translate that one to a more familiar calendar, if you'll be so kind. Len --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eBay bargain motordrive Steve (et al) The LX nicad pack is still available brand new. The date of manufacture is stamped inside the box -last one we supplied was dated juu-ni gatsu juu-san nen. Alternatively I suppose that NiMH cells could be used, instead of nicads?? Apparently an LX winder and remote cord will arrive here tomorrow. Kind regards from sunny Brighton Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What lens do you wish Pentax made?
Mark started a poll with I want an autofocus 80-200 zoom lens that has the optical quality of the FA* 80-200 F2.8 zoom, but with a maximum aperture of F3.5 or F4. This lens would be a perfect companion for the MZ-S and 24-90 zoom lens. Hi, I definitely second that. My wish is a FA* 70(80)-200 with constant F4 aperture. Top notch optical and mechanical quality, with FA* series AF/MF (MF should be written in small letters mf, but it doesn't stand well besides AF designation :) clutch mechanism, without power zoom. Besides being a good companion to FA 24-90 or FA 28-70, I also feel that such a lens would be in the line with MZ-S philosophy, top quality but portable piece of photographic equipment. Cao, Matjaz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear
Or their lawyer told them it would be more costly to fight than they were willing to pay for. Losers of lawsuits like that should have to pay the other party's legal expenses but that ain't usually the way it works. Len --- -Original Message- From: Tom Rittenhouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear They may have threatened to sue, but trademarks can only be restricted for use in a competetive manner. That means you can not call clothing you sell Polo, but you can call your bar Polo. So if they caved in they had a piss poor lawyer. Ciao, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Now trademarks, was: Re: Surly polar bear
There was until recently a night spot in Charlotte called The Polo Lounge Ralph Lauren and Co. sued saying the name polo was their property. Sure fooled me. I always thought polo was a game similar to croquet played by rich Englishmen on ponies. And let me guess, it changed its name without contending the case in court. That sort of thing is related to something called a SLAPP--Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation. What big companies do when they're being opposed is to bring suits against the organizations opposing them, knowing full well that they would lose the lawsuits in court but also knowing full well that the smaller, weaker adversary can't pay the legal costs to defend themselves. Ralph Lauren doesn't run nightclubs, so chances are there was no way it could have won a suit against your local Polo Lounge. But chances are also good that the Polo Lounge didn't want to spend the umpteen thousand dollars it would have cost to defend its rights. It's easier just to give up and change its name. In most other civilized countries, the loser of such unsupportable suits pays the legal costs of the winner. No such deal here. That's why just the THREAT of a lawsuit can be wielded as a weapon--even when the aggressor party is in the wrong. Another word for it is bullying. Life in these United States. --Mike Photography is simple. The only complicated thing is keeping it simple. (Ken Archer) * * * Find out about Mike Johnston's unique photography newsletter, The 37th Frame, at http://www.37thframe.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?
Maybe not, but if the body works, that lens will give him quality results, whether the body is a beater or not. It has to do with spending your money where it will do the most good. Len --- -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8? I don't know but $600 US seems a bit high to be sending a seller with 0 feedback. Ok, I'll admit it, I have too much time on my hands. Did anyone else check out the current high bidders previous purchases. Defiantly a Pentax fan. His previous camera body purchase was a 'Beater' LX for $165. Now he's buying arguably the most expensive 135mm lens he could buy for this camera. I'm not sure if this is a brilliant strategy, or what? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT Re: Now trademarks, was:Re: Surly polar bear
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Mick Maguire wrote: There was a run of cases in the UK a few years back with McDonald's claiming that they owned the Mc prefix on just about anything (and tasking legal action against anybody who used it), and not just for fast food. Toys-R-us also did the same with the backwards R (and indeed forwards too!) and won at least several cases against small sole trader outlets. The main one I remember being a tire dealer in Bedford called tires-r-us. Speaking of Mickey D's, they've also trademarked the phrase Have you had your break today? Rght. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: What lens do you wish Pentax made?
But the toy must double as a film puller :-) --- Ed Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a special plaque that comes with it, suitable for hanging on my wall. Oh, and a free toy (like a happy meal has). Thanks, Ed http://lightandsilver.com He wants a 101mm limited Prime in titanium with one of those green leather soft cases and non removable hoods. snip - __ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Film Flatness
The issues below are my findings as well. At first I didn't know what caused my film flatness problems except that it happened in cold weather. My camera back has been at service a couple of times and the last time everything was tightened up. If anything, this made the problem slightly worse. Last summer I shot a roll over two days. All the frames were sharp except the second frame of the second day; ie. the piece of film that spent the night bent backwards over the rollers. Indeed if you shot one frame at the time in cold weather with a 645 camera the solution is to shoot only every second frame; ie. frame 1, 3, 5 etc. In this way, the exposed frame has never spent time bent over the rolls. Another solution is to choose a camera that has a relatively straight and stress-free path for the film to follow. TLRs, Hasselblad-style cameras, and most 645s bend the film rather radically so the backs can be compact. Cameras like the Koni-Omega, Pentax 6x7, and Mamiya 6 are easier on the film. P.S. I am chagrined to admit that I once got rid of a camera I liked very much because I simply didn't know about this problem. All I knew was that every so often I'd get a frame that wasn't sharp, and I didn't know why. I decided that the uncertainty of dealing with that was too much of a distraction from photography, so I sold the camera. Wish I still had it. --Mike Photography is simple. The only complicated thing is keeping it simple. (Ken Archer) * * * Find out about Mike Johnston's unique photography newsletter, The 37th Frame, at http://www.37thframe.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8?
for all we know that beater is going to be used as parts for one he already has in MINT shape --- Paris, Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe not, but if the body works, that lens will give him quality results, whether the body is a beater or not. It has to do with spending your money where it will do the most good. Len --- -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Didn't someone want a 135/1.8? I don't know but $600 US seems a bit high to be sending a seller with 0 feedback. Ok, I'll admit it, I have too much time on my hands. Did anyone else check out the current high bidders previous purchases. Defiantly a Pentax fan. His previous camera body purchase was a 'Beater' LX for $165. Now he's buying arguably the most expensive 135mm lens he could buy for this camera. I'm not sure if this is a brilliant strategy, or what? - __ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
